1 00:00:05,920 --> 00:00:14,080 Speaker 1: JJ Valo and Tyley Ryan are dead. We may have 2 00:00:14,200 --> 00:00:17,880 Speaker 1: thought so all along, but now we know. We know 3 00:00:18,440 --> 00:00:23,680 Speaker 1: that their remains were destroyed and buried in the backyard 4 00:00:23,760 --> 00:00:29,880 Speaker 1: of Cult Mom Laurie Valoe's new husband's home. What now 5 00:00:36,680 --> 00:00:47,239 Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace joining us right now is 6 00:00:47,240 --> 00:00:51,800 Speaker 1: a very special guest. It is the practicing lawyer that 7 00:00:51,920 --> 00:00:56,840 Speaker 1: represented Charles Valoe, now dead, in his divorce case against 8 00:00:56,920 --> 00:01:01,520 Speaker 1: Cult Mom Laurie Valoe, Taylor Lawson. I guess this is 9 00:01:01,520 --> 00:01:04,640 Speaker 1: one divorce you'll never forget, although you might want to. 10 00:01:05,200 --> 00:01:09,400 Speaker 1: You say that Charles VALA's death was not an accident 11 00:01:09,720 --> 00:01:15,119 Speaker 1: and was not self defense. Why no, ma'am, No, ma'am, 12 00:01:15,319 --> 00:01:18,640 Speaker 1: it was not self defense. I've in my opinion it 13 00:01:18,720 --> 00:01:23,160 Speaker 1: was pre planned, an ambush that took place on that 14 00:01:23,200 --> 00:01:28,280 Speaker 1: faithful day in July, mostly because you know, when I 15 00:01:28,319 --> 00:01:31,000 Speaker 1: first met Charles and he first came into our office 16 00:01:31,080 --> 00:01:37,440 Speaker 1: to discuss divorce filing divorce from Laurie, he predicted his 17 00:01:37,560 --> 00:01:40,319 Speaker 1: murder and he predicted who would do it. He was 18 00:01:40,440 --> 00:01:43,759 Speaker 1: very fearful of his life when he first met with us, 19 00:01:44,520 --> 00:01:48,920 Speaker 1: and frankly told us, if anything was to happen to me, 20 00:01:49,080 --> 00:01:51,440 Speaker 1: it was Laurie and her brother Alex that did it. 21 00:01:51,760 --> 00:01:55,000 Speaker 1: And he was very very serious and scared for his 22 00:01:55,080 --> 00:01:58,760 Speaker 1: life and scared for JJ entirely's lives as well. And 23 00:01:58,840 --> 00:02:01,680 Speaker 1: this was back in on February first, was the first 24 00:02:01,720 --> 00:02:04,800 Speaker 1: time he came into our office. So we're talking, you know, 25 00:02:04,960 --> 00:02:09,640 Speaker 1: five plus months before his demise. He predicted it in 26 00:02:09,760 --> 00:02:13,440 Speaker 1: our office, and you know, we we even put that 27 00:02:13,480 --> 00:02:19,680 Speaker 1: into the divorced documents, you know, and predicted sadly. The 28 00:02:19,680 --> 00:02:22,320 Speaker 1: tragedy that has has become to be known as this 29 00:02:22,480 --> 00:02:26,880 Speaker 1: case with me is Taylor Lawson. He represented Charles Valo, 30 00:02:27,080 --> 00:02:30,800 Speaker 1: a dad who was desperately trying to get his son 31 00:02:31,360 --> 00:02:36,079 Speaker 1: JJ away from coultmom Laurie Valo, and he ended up 32 00:02:36,600 --> 00:02:42,080 Speaker 1: shot dead doing it. A very curious about when you 33 00:02:42,200 --> 00:02:47,880 Speaker 1: first met Charles Valoe and thereon what he was saying 34 00:02:47,960 --> 00:02:51,240 Speaker 1: about Laurie Valo. Why was he convinced she and her 35 00:02:51,280 --> 00:02:53,520 Speaker 1: brother Alex were trying to kill him. She threatened his 36 00:02:53,560 --> 00:02:57,360 Speaker 1: life two times over the phone, including one time telling 37 00:02:57,440 --> 00:02:59,919 Speaker 1: him that she had an angel at the house waiting 38 00:02:59,919 --> 00:03:02,600 Speaker 1: to dispose of his body if he came home. This 39 00:03:02,720 --> 00:03:04,880 Speaker 1: is while he was on a business trip in Texas 40 00:03:05,000 --> 00:03:07,639 Speaker 1: trying to, you know, provide for the family and run 41 00:03:07,680 --> 00:03:13,079 Speaker 1: the business that they owned together. And so, I mean, 42 00:03:14,160 --> 00:03:16,720 Speaker 1: it doesn't get anymore shocking than that when a client 43 00:03:16,800 --> 00:03:19,280 Speaker 1: comes in and says, hey, my wife told me she's 44 00:03:19,320 --> 00:03:21,800 Speaker 1: going to kill me. And she also says, I have 45 00:03:21,880 --> 00:03:25,480 Speaker 1: an angel here to dispose of your body. They murder me, 46 00:03:25,680 --> 00:03:28,440 Speaker 1: kill me. She threatened to murder you, yes, and she 47 00:03:28,560 --> 00:03:31,440 Speaker 1: how did she do that? My bishop right there is 48 00:03:31,440 --> 00:03:33,280 Speaker 1: in the car. He was on the phone with me 49 00:03:33,360 --> 00:03:36,160 Speaker 1: today when she said, I will have you destroyed. That's 50 00:03:36,200 --> 00:03:38,280 Speaker 1: what she said there. But I can murder you now 51 00:03:38,520 --> 00:03:41,240 Speaker 1: with my powers. What business did he take? Believe it? 52 00:03:41,320 --> 00:03:45,480 Speaker 1: It had to do with financial services such as life insurance, 53 00:03:46,760 --> 00:03:50,800 Speaker 1: and he did most of his business in California and Texas. 54 00:03:50,800 --> 00:03:56,520 Speaker 1: And so during this business trip where she called and 55 00:03:56,560 --> 00:03:58,400 Speaker 1: told him that she was going to kill him and 56 00:03:58,400 --> 00:04:03,440 Speaker 1: that he was Nick Schnei, he was in Texas, which 57 00:04:03,520 --> 00:04:07,360 Speaker 1: was you know, usual and very regular for him to 58 00:04:07,400 --> 00:04:09,840 Speaker 1: be there to do business during the week in Texas. 59 00:04:10,320 --> 00:04:14,080 Speaker 1: She Laurie Valo claimed that Charles Valo was cheating on her. 60 00:04:14,560 --> 00:04:18,400 Speaker 1: Is that true? I can tell you that Charles was 61 00:04:19,080 --> 00:04:25,000 Speaker 1: very very serious about that, and and he loved Laurie 62 00:04:25,520 --> 00:04:31,000 Speaker 1: more than anything at the time, and he denied, vehemently 63 00:04:31,400 --> 00:04:36,960 Speaker 1: denied those allegations and wanted to even take a polygraph 64 00:04:37,000 --> 00:04:40,039 Speaker 1: test to prove to Laurie that he had not cheated 65 00:04:40,080 --> 00:04:45,680 Speaker 1: on her. And he even messaged her family members that 66 00:04:46,120 --> 00:04:49,000 Speaker 1: about that, because he was worried that the Laurie was 67 00:04:49,040 --> 00:04:53,560 Speaker 1: spreading these lies about him and damaging his reputation because 68 00:04:53,600 --> 00:04:57,080 Speaker 1: he was always seen as such a great family man 69 00:04:57,400 --> 00:05:01,839 Speaker 1: who loved Laurie and loved his chill ldren and would 70 00:05:01,920 --> 00:05:05,640 Speaker 1: never ever step out of the bonds of marriage. And 71 00:05:05,720 --> 00:05:08,200 Speaker 1: so he was very serious and he wanted to take 72 00:05:08,240 --> 00:05:13,760 Speaker 1: a polygraph test to try to prove it. Wow. You know, 73 00:05:14,160 --> 00:05:16,880 Speaker 1: I'm sure in your business handling a lot of divorces, 74 00:05:17,160 --> 00:05:20,000 Speaker 1: when a man is accused of cheating, I've never seen 75 00:05:20,120 --> 00:05:23,560 Speaker 1: one accused of cheating step up and say, hey, I'll 76 00:05:23,560 --> 00:05:30,400 Speaker 1: take a polygraph. Wow. Yeah, thats a lot. Yeah. And 77 00:05:30,440 --> 00:05:33,400 Speaker 1: you know, Arizona is a no false state, meaning that um, 78 00:05:33,680 --> 00:05:37,400 Speaker 1: you know, affairs don't have any relevance in the court 79 00:05:37,440 --> 00:05:40,200 Speaker 1: case in the divorce case, so there wasn't much that 80 00:05:40,240 --> 00:05:44,159 Speaker 1: we could plead for in the in the documents to 81 00:05:44,279 --> 00:05:49,800 Speaker 1: state that he denied any allegations of cheating. But you know, 82 00:05:50,080 --> 00:05:53,839 Speaker 1: he said he would put his money where his mouth does. 83 00:05:53,880 --> 00:05:56,200 Speaker 1: I mean, he even said that not only would he 84 00:05:56,240 --> 00:05:58,600 Speaker 1: take a polygraph test, but he would put money up 85 00:05:58,760 --> 00:06:01,080 Speaker 1: that if he failed it, he would give her street 86 00:06:01,440 --> 00:06:05,520 Speaker 1: money in cash to try to And that's how that's 87 00:06:05,520 --> 00:06:10,080 Speaker 1: how strongly he felt about those allegations and was you know, 88 00:06:10,880 --> 00:06:12,719 Speaker 1: I am not a cheater, is what he would say, 89 00:06:12,800 --> 00:06:16,000 Speaker 1: and he said to mean numerous times. When you're in 90 00:06:16,040 --> 00:06:19,920 Speaker 1: the middle of a divorce, the other side, even though 91 00:06:20,120 --> 00:06:22,719 Speaker 1: Arizona's no fault, which means if you want to divorce, 92 00:06:22,880 --> 00:06:25,960 Speaker 1: you're going to get a divorce. It doesn't matter who cheated, 93 00:06:26,200 --> 00:06:29,880 Speaker 1: who got drunk and wrecked the car, doesn't matter. You 94 00:06:29,920 --> 00:06:34,320 Speaker 1: want to divorce, you got it. So claims are cheating 95 00:06:34,400 --> 00:06:40,440 Speaker 1: are irrelevant to a divorce in that jurisdiction. But when 96 00:06:40,520 --> 00:06:46,800 Speaker 1: somebody claims infidelity, don't you know that the other side 97 00:06:47,120 --> 00:06:50,040 Speaker 1: is going to dig and dig and dig until they 98 00:06:50,080 --> 00:06:54,880 Speaker 1: find that mistress. And as of right now, no mistress 99 00:06:54,920 --> 00:07:01,080 Speaker 1: has ever been found. Right absolutely, there I haven't. I've 100 00:07:01,120 --> 00:07:05,280 Speaker 1: just seen some of the accusations and allegations. You know 101 00:07:05,320 --> 00:07:08,960 Speaker 1: that Laurie has thrown through her family members to the media. 102 00:07:09,040 --> 00:07:14,160 Speaker 1: But again, where's these text messages, where's these money trails? 103 00:07:14,160 --> 00:07:18,240 Speaker 1: You know, where's the emails? Because we certainly have lots 104 00:07:18,240 --> 00:07:21,840 Speaker 1: of emails and things in writing from Laurie to Chad, 105 00:07:21,880 --> 00:07:25,720 Speaker 1: but I haven't seen anything from Charles to anybody. And 106 00:07:25,800 --> 00:07:29,600 Speaker 1: you know that Laurie had all access to Charles's accounts. 107 00:07:29,640 --> 00:07:32,480 Speaker 1: You know, she used his Amazon account to buy the 108 00:07:32,560 --> 00:07:36,720 Speaker 1: wedding ring for her and Chad, so she had access 109 00:07:36,760 --> 00:07:39,160 Speaker 1: to all those emails. So I would believe that, you know, 110 00:07:39,280 --> 00:07:43,120 Speaker 1: in my opinion, that would come out here, you know, 111 00:07:43,320 --> 00:07:49,640 Speaker 1: kind of prove it here. Yeah, I mean emails, texts, 112 00:07:49,880 --> 00:07:54,280 Speaker 1: money trail, buying flowers, buying jewelry, all that. We have 113 00:07:54,800 --> 00:08:00,080 Speaker 1: none of that, and no woman has come forward and said, hey, 114 00:08:00,720 --> 00:08:04,640 Speaker 1: I'm I'm the mistress. And at this juncture, I really 115 00:08:04,640 --> 00:08:11,040 Speaker 1: believe somebody would have ratted her out if she's existed. 116 00:08:11,520 --> 00:08:14,960 Speaker 1: So he comes in and tells you he's afraid he's 117 00:08:15,000 --> 00:08:19,400 Speaker 1: going to get killed by Laurie Valo and Alex Cox, 118 00:08:19,480 --> 00:08:22,400 Speaker 1: her brother. And you know Alexe Cox has a history. 119 00:08:22,800 --> 00:08:27,200 Speaker 1: He attacked her last husband, Joe Ryan, remember that, with 120 00:08:27,360 --> 00:08:32,160 Speaker 1: a tasering and did jail time for it. And in 121 00:08:32,240 --> 00:08:36,400 Speaker 1: that case, Alex Cox told Joseph Ryan, I'm going to 122 00:08:36,520 --> 00:08:39,680 Speaker 1: kill you and he attacked it with a taser. In 123 00:08:39,760 --> 00:08:44,719 Speaker 1: this case, your client ends up dead. What was your 124 00:08:44,720 --> 00:08:49,200 Speaker 1: client Charles Valo's concern about the children being with Laurie 125 00:08:49,240 --> 00:08:52,160 Speaker 1: valo cult mom. The main concern was that she was 126 00:08:52,559 --> 00:08:57,920 Speaker 1: mentally unstable, not able to make, you know, clear decisions 127 00:08:58,000 --> 00:09:03,000 Speaker 1: for the children. Not only had he been threatened by 128 00:09:03,040 --> 00:09:05,520 Speaker 1: her over the phone, but she had also told him 129 00:09:05,920 --> 00:09:07,839 Speaker 1: that he could have the kids, that she didn't want 130 00:09:07,880 --> 00:09:10,440 Speaker 1: anything to do with them because she had a more 131 00:09:10,480 --> 00:09:14,440 Speaker 1: important mission to carry out and the kids were seen 132 00:09:14,559 --> 00:09:18,400 Speaker 1: as a burden to her. It didn't allow her, especially 133 00:09:18,600 --> 00:09:22,680 Speaker 1: you know, JJ who was special needs and you know, 134 00:09:22,760 --> 00:09:27,800 Speaker 1: required more attention than you know, someone who doesn't have 135 00:09:27,880 --> 00:09:30,480 Speaker 1: special needs a child, and especially at his age, you know, 136 00:09:30,520 --> 00:09:36,720 Speaker 1: a younger child too. So Charles was very worried because 137 00:09:36,920 --> 00:09:39,959 Speaker 1: she just wanted to toss the kids by the wayside, 138 00:09:40,679 --> 00:09:47,720 Speaker 1: so to speak. You know, I didn't realize she actually 139 00:09:47,760 --> 00:09:51,080 Speaker 1: said that that she wanted to give him the children 140 00:09:52,080 --> 00:09:55,080 Speaker 1: because she didn't want to be bothered with them anymore, 141 00:09:55,160 --> 00:09:59,160 Speaker 1: that they got in the way of her mission. Isn't 142 00:09:59,200 --> 00:10:03,199 Speaker 1: it true? That on one occasion, your client, Charles Valor, 143 00:10:03,960 --> 00:10:08,640 Speaker 1: told you that she went to Hawaii and was gone 144 00:10:08,720 --> 00:10:13,480 Speaker 1: for weeks on in and never texted or called or 145 00:10:13,520 --> 00:10:18,960 Speaker 1: even checked on the children. Yes, we during the divorce, 146 00:10:19,400 --> 00:10:23,400 Speaker 1: we could not get a hold of Lorie because you know, 147 00:10:23,440 --> 00:10:28,560 Speaker 1: as you know Nancy, to initiate the divorce, you have 148 00:10:28,720 --> 00:10:32,000 Speaker 1: to serve the other person with the papers, you know, 149 00:10:32,120 --> 00:10:37,560 Speaker 1: personally through a process server, and we were never able 150 00:10:37,600 --> 00:10:41,840 Speaker 1: to find Lorie to serve her with number one the 151 00:10:42,200 --> 00:10:46,240 Speaker 1: divorce petition, but also number two the order of protection 152 00:10:46,320 --> 00:10:50,679 Speaker 1: that we advised Charles to go and obtain to try 153 00:10:50,760 --> 00:10:55,600 Speaker 1: to give afford him some protection from her. He obtained 154 00:10:55,880 --> 00:10:58,760 Speaker 1: an order of protection and we tried to serve her 155 00:10:58,840 --> 00:11:04,200 Speaker 1: numerous times throughout the entire time that we represented Charles, 156 00:11:04,200 --> 00:11:06,959 Speaker 1: but we couldn't find her. We tried at her at 157 00:11:07,000 --> 00:11:10,400 Speaker 1: Alex's house, we tried at her parents' house, we tried 158 00:11:10,440 --> 00:11:14,959 Speaker 1: at some of her friends houses here in the Phoenix area. 159 00:11:15,320 --> 00:11:18,679 Speaker 1: We even sent a process server up to Boise, Idaho, 160 00:11:19,240 --> 00:11:22,000 Speaker 1: because we thought that she would be appearing at one 161 00:11:22,040 --> 00:11:28,600 Speaker 1: of these a vow preparing a people conferences with that 162 00:11:28,720 --> 00:11:32,600 Speaker 1: where there were going to be scheduled speakers there and 163 00:11:32,720 --> 00:11:36,160 Speaker 1: she ended up not even being there, even though she 164 00:11:36,280 --> 00:11:42,440 Speaker 1: made hotel reservations under Charles's name in Boise. And now 165 00:11:42,480 --> 00:11:46,280 Speaker 1: we now know, after all this has happened just in 166 00:11:46,320 --> 00:11:48,760 Speaker 1: the last few months, and you know, the timelines kind 167 00:11:48,760 --> 00:11:52,559 Speaker 1: of unfolded that she was in Hawaii with Tyley. But 168 00:11:52,640 --> 00:11:55,520 Speaker 1: at the time we had no idea where she was, 169 00:11:55,840 --> 00:11:57,840 Speaker 1: and we were trying to find her just to be 170 00:11:57,880 --> 00:12:00,080 Speaker 1: able to serve her so that the divorce could go 171 00:12:00,120 --> 00:12:02,680 Speaker 1: through number one and number two, that the order of 172 00:12:02,679 --> 00:12:08,680 Speaker 1: protection would be put in place and valid. Where was 173 00:12:08,760 --> 00:12:15,560 Speaker 1: JJ at that time? JJ was with Charles. He when 174 00:12:15,640 --> 00:12:19,600 Speaker 1: Charles got home from Texas. I believe the bodycam footage 175 00:12:19,640 --> 00:12:22,400 Speaker 1: just came out that showed when he got there, how 176 00:12:22,880 --> 00:12:26,800 Speaker 1: Laurie had changed the locks on the house, had taken 177 00:12:26,960 --> 00:12:32,000 Speaker 1: everything in the house, including Charles's underwear and his clothes, 178 00:12:32,200 --> 00:12:37,960 Speaker 1: his laptop, had taken JJ and Bailey, the service dog 179 00:12:38,040 --> 00:12:43,360 Speaker 1: for JJ, and was not communicating with Charles until a 180 00:12:43,400 --> 00:12:47,160 Speaker 1: few days later. She said, come get JJ, or what 181 00:12:47,640 --> 00:12:50,679 Speaker 1: she said was, I'm going to drop JJ off at 182 00:12:50,720 --> 00:12:52,800 Speaker 1: school tomorrow. You can pick him up. I don't want 183 00:12:52,800 --> 00:12:55,320 Speaker 1: anything to do with him. He tried to put JJ 184 00:12:55,600 --> 00:12:59,800 Speaker 1: on the order of protection as a protected person, meaning 185 00:13:01,640 --> 00:13:05,600 Speaker 1: you know, the order protection was between Laurie and Charles, 186 00:13:05,640 --> 00:13:09,560 Speaker 1: and that Laurie could not come, couldnot contact Charles or 187 00:13:09,800 --> 00:13:14,160 Speaker 1: come in in the vicinity of Charles. He tried to 188 00:13:14,160 --> 00:13:17,400 Speaker 1: put JJ on that order of protection as a protected 189 00:13:17,440 --> 00:13:20,760 Speaker 1: person so that Laurie could not come and get JJ 190 00:13:20,920 --> 00:13:23,400 Speaker 1: if she changed her mind or you know, went to 191 00:13:23,440 --> 00:13:25,959 Speaker 1: the school and picked him up and absconded with him. 192 00:13:26,080 --> 00:13:28,760 Speaker 1: Charles was very fearful that Laurie was going to take 193 00:13:28,880 --> 00:13:35,480 Speaker 1: JJ and run and so unfortunately the court did not 194 00:13:36,600 --> 00:13:39,080 Speaker 1: allow JJ to stay on the order protection as a 195 00:13:39,120 --> 00:13:58,880 Speaker 1: protected person and only had Charles on there. Crime stories 196 00:13:58,880 --> 00:14:03,320 Speaker 1: with Nancy Grace, Hey, I'm going to kill you or 197 00:14:03,360 --> 00:14:04,959 Speaker 1: anything like that. I didn't say she was going to 198 00:14:05,080 --> 00:14:08,520 Speaker 1: kill herself or anything like that, just some of her 199 00:14:09,679 --> 00:14:12,520 Speaker 1: the irrational statements about calling him a different name and 200 00:14:12,640 --> 00:14:14,520 Speaker 1: saying it was a different person. There was there was 201 00:14:14,559 --> 00:14:19,520 Speaker 1: a level of disconnect from reality that was disturbing, but 202 00:14:19,560 --> 00:14:22,480 Speaker 1: that was again, that was just that's just my impression. 203 00:14:23,000 --> 00:14:27,160 Speaker 1: Joining us right now is a very special guest. It 204 00:14:27,320 --> 00:14:32,160 Speaker 1: is the practicing lawyer that represented Charles Valo now did 205 00:14:32,520 --> 00:14:38,320 Speaker 1: in his divorce case against cult mom Laurie Valo Taylor Lawson. 206 00:14:39,160 --> 00:14:45,640 Speaker 1: Did Charles Valo no that Laurie Valo was cheating on 207 00:14:45,720 --> 00:14:51,160 Speaker 1: him with Chad day bell Um. He definitely had some 208 00:14:51,200 --> 00:14:57,760 Speaker 1: suspicions that she was cheating. He never told me who 209 00:14:57,880 --> 00:15:03,680 Speaker 1: he suspected, but he did send me some communications between 210 00:15:03,760 --> 00:15:08,360 Speaker 1: Chad and Laurie that he had found, and I believe 211 00:15:08,640 --> 00:15:10,960 Speaker 1: that was when he started to try to put the 212 00:15:11,000 --> 00:15:16,480 Speaker 1: puzzle together. He did tell me that this all started, 213 00:15:16,600 --> 00:15:20,440 Speaker 1: you know, years prior, when Laurie had a near death 214 00:15:20,520 --> 00:15:23,800 Speaker 1: experience when they were living in Hawaii, and she became 215 00:15:23,920 --> 00:15:26,640 Speaker 1: fascinated and if you read, you know, some of the 216 00:15:26,680 --> 00:15:32,440 Speaker 1: divorce pleadings that we put in there. She became infatuated 217 00:15:32,480 --> 00:15:36,040 Speaker 1: in that times, obsessive over some of his near death 218 00:15:36,120 --> 00:15:42,760 Speaker 1: experiences and was listening to podcasts about other members of 219 00:15:42,800 --> 00:15:45,440 Speaker 1: the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter day Saints who 220 00:15:46,440 --> 00:15:50,360 Speaker 1: had near death experiences and had you know, allegedly had 221 00:15:50,520 --> 00:15:53,720 Speaker 1: visions of the spirit world and could communicate with those 222 00:15:53,720 --> 00:15:56,320 Speaker 1: on the other side of the veil. Charles told me 223 00:15:56,360 --> 00:15:59,320 Speaker 1: that she would read books over and over about it, 224 00:15:59,720 --> 00:16:04,240 Speaker 1: she would listen to podcast NonStop, and she just was 225 00:16:04,320 --> 00:16:09,000 Speaker 1: gravitating towards these type of people and these groups. And 226 00:16:09,080 --> 00:16:13,400 Speaker 1: that's how she found Chad Dayville because most of his 227 00:16:13,520 --> 00:16:20,760 Speaker 1: books are about that. You're talking about her getting let 228 00:16:20,760 --> 00:16:25,240 Speaker 1: me just say, becoming enthralled with her cult as it 229 00:16:25,240 --> 00:16:28,000 Speaker 1: turned out to be. But it started with a near 230 00:16:28,240 --> 00:16:31,680 Speaker 1: death experience. What was the near death experience? What happened? 231 00:16:31,840 --> 00:16:34,120 Speaker 1: Charles just told me that she had a near death 232 00:16:34,160 --> 00:16:38,560 Speaker 1: experience in Hawaii when they were living there, and ever 233 00:16:38,720 --> 00:16:42,400 Speaker 1: since then she became a different person. He you know, 234 00:16:42,440 --> 00:16:46,040 Speaker 1: it wasn't like an overnight type of deal. It was 235 00:16:46,080 --> 00:16:48,840 Speaker 1: over a period of time that he could see that 236 00:16:49,040 --> 00:16:54,800 Speaker 1: the woman that he was married to was changing and 237 00:16:55,360 --> 00:16:59,400 Speaker 1: becoming a different person. And I will tell you that 238 00:17:00,160 --> 00:17:05,200 Speaker 1: throughout the entirety of the divorce proceedings, he just thought 239 00:17:05,240 --> 00:17:07,199 Speaker 1: that this was just a bad dream and that he 240 00:17:07,200 --> 00:17:10,679 Speaker 1: would wake up one day and you know, the Lorie 241 00:17:10,760 --> 00:17:14,399 Speaker 1: that he knew and loved and married thirteen years prior 242 00:17:15,280 --> 00:17:20,920 Speaker 1: would just be there again. And you know, he really 243 00:17:20,960 --> 00:17:24,040 Speaker 1: thought that she was having some mental distress and that 244 00:17:24,080 --> 00:17:26,840 Speaker 1: she just needed some medication and some help. Throughout the 245 00:17:27,040 --> 00:17:32,040 Speaker 1: entire time that I communicated with him, he was always 246 00:17:32,359 --> 00:17:37,000 Speaker 1: very emotional about it and just wanted this to wanted 247 00:17:37,040 --> 00:17:40,080 Speaker 1: it to be back to what it was before this 248 00:17:40,160 --> 00:17:47,560 Speaker 1: all started. Earlier used to that they divorce was dismissed. 249 00:17:48,119 --> 00:17:52,760 Speaker 1: We never were able to serve Lorie. We were We 250 00:17:52,840 --> 00:17:56,280 Speaker 1: did ask the court to allow us to serve her 251 00:17:56,520 --> 00:18:00,840 Speaker 1: through an alternative means, meaning through email or mailing it 252 00:18:00,880 --> 00:18:05,040 Speaker 1: to her last known address, but we never got an 253 00:18:05,119 --> 00:18:08,960 Speaker 1: answer from the court. Before we dismissed the case. Charles 254 00:18:09,000 --> 00:18:14,480 Speaker 1: asked to dismiss the case because he just couldn't get 255 00:18:14,560 --> 00:18:18,960 Speaker 1: over the fact that she had abandoned him and JJ 256 00:18:19,840 --> 00:18:23,600 Speaker 1: and UM. He still loved her and he held hope 257 00:18:23,680 --> 00:18:27,600 Speaker 1: that that someday she would wake up from this and 258 00:18:28,320 --> 00:18:31,119 Speaker 1: come back to him. I mean, he just really loved 259 00:18:31,640 --> 00:18:35,159 Speaker 1: her and the family and he couldn't He couldn't go 260 00:18:35,200 --> 00:18:39,680 Speaker 1: through with the divorce anymore, mostly because she had become 261 00:18:40,320 --> 00:18:43,000 Speaker 1: you know, she had she was gone. We didn't know 262 00:18:43,000 --> 00:18:45,320 Speaker 1: where she was. She was not communicating with him, and 263 00:18:45,359 --> 00:18:48,000 Speaker 1: so he thought, why am I getting a divorce if 264 00:18:48,080 --> 00:18:51,560 Speaker 1: she's already just leaving me alone? And you know, I 265 00:18:51,600 --> 00:18:54,280 Speaker 1: want to hold out hope for the future that we 266 00:18:54,320 --> 00:19:09,000 Speaker 1: can still become a family again. Time stories with Nancy 267 00:19:09,040 --> 00:19:16,480 Speaker 1: Grace joining us right now is a very special guest. 268 00:19:16,720 --> 00:19:21,600 Speaker 1: It is the practicing lawyer that represented Charles Valoe, now dead, 269 00:19:22,160 --> 00:19:27,960 Speaker 1: in his divorce case against cultmom Lorie Valoe Taylor Larson. 270 00:19:28,680 --> 00:19:31,879 Speaker 1: If the divorce had proceeded, what would have happened to 271 00:19:32,000 --> 00:19:36,960 Speaker 1: JJ and Tylely? The court here in Arizona did not 272 00:19:37,119 --> 00:19:43,080 Speaker 1: have jurisdiction over Tyley in our divorce proceeding because Tyley 273 00:19:43,400 --> 00:19:47,080 Speaker 1: was not common to the parties, meaning that Charles had 274 00:19:47,080 --> 00:19:52,919 Speaker 1: not adopted Tyley, and that her bio father, Joseph you know, 275 00:19:53,000 --> 00:19:56,960 Speaker 1: I know he was passed. But because Charles was not 276 00:19:57,200 --> 00:20:02,639 Speaker 1: Tyle's legal guardian or father, the court had no jurisdiction 277 00:20:02,720 --> 00:20:05,639 Speaker 1: over her. But for JJ, you know, we asked that 278 00:20:05,720 --> 00:20:11,600 Speaker 1: the court gave Charles sole legal decision making. We were 279 00:20:11,640 --> 00:20:16,399 Speaker 1: hopeful and with all of these salacious allegations, I felt 280 00:20:16,520 --> 00:20:23,719 Speaker 1: very strongly that the court would grant that. Why do 281 00:20:23,840 --> 00:20:28,000 Speaker 1: you think Laurie Valley would have wanted Charles Valet your 282 00:20:28,000 --> 00:20:31,000 Speaker 1: client did? There was a million reasons why she wanted 283 00:20:31,080 --> 00:20:34,240 Speaker 1: Charles value to head because there was a life insurance 284 00:20:34,280 --> 00:20:37,560 Speaker 1: policy on Charles's life for a million dollars that she 285 00:20:37,640 --> 00:20:41,240 Speaker 1: knew about and that she thought she was the beneficiary 286 00:20:41,320 --> 00:20:47,240 Speaker 1: of and after Charles was killed by her brother Alex, 287 00:20:48,760 --> 00:20:51,679 Speaker 1: she found out she was not the beneficiary. Can you 288 00:20:51,720 --> 00:20:56,439 Speaker 1: describe what you know of that. While we were talking 289 00:20:56,480 --> 00:21:01,840 Speaker 1: to Charles at the beginning of our representation during the divorce, 290 00:21:03,359 --> 00:21:08,080 Speaker 1: he you know, was very very scared for his life 291 00:21:08,320 --> 00:21:12,200 Speaker 1: and believed that Lorie was up to something with her 292 00:21:12,240 --> 00:21:15,719 Speaker 1: brother Alex, and that he was, you know, close to 293 00:21:17,000 --> 00:21:20,080 Speaker 1: you know, having to deal with Alex showing up to 294 00:21:20,080 --> 00:21:23,879 Speaker 1: try to kill him. And so when that happens in 295 00:21:23,920 --> 00:21:27,480 Speaker 1: a divorce, usually we wait till towards the end of 296 00:21:27,480 --> 00:21:30,360 Speaker 1: the divorce where we will advise our client to make 297 00:21:30,359 --> 00:21:33,520 Speaker 1: sure that they change the beneficiary, you know, of any 298 00:21:33,680 --> 00:21:38,520 Speaker 1: estate planning documents such as a trust or will or 299 00:21:38,760 --> 00:21:43,680 Speaker 1: life insurance. And so when Charles started talking about this 300 00:21:44,240 --> 00:21:47,160 Speaker 1: with us at the beginning, we thought, well, you need 301 00:21:47,200 --> 00:21:51,200 Speaker 1: to go change the beneficiary of your life insurance policy 302 00:21:51,600 --> 00:21:56,119 Speaker 1: right away, and he said absolutely, and I want the 303 00:21:56,160 --> 00:22:01,040 Speaker 1: beneficiary to be kay wood Cock, my sister, because I 304 00:22:01,119 --> 00:22:03,440 Speaker 1: know that if she got the money, she would use 305 00:22:03,440 --> 00:22:08,560 Speaker 1: it to take care of JJ. And so a couple 306 00:22:08,600 --> 00:22:12,720 Speaker 1: of days went by and Charles contacts me and says, Hey, 307 00:22:13,280 --> 00:22:16,800 Speaker 1: I just try to change the life insurance beneficiary to 308 00:22:17,840 --> 00:22:22,040 Speaker 1: k and guess what, someone put a password on my account. 309 00:22:22,080 --> 00:22:25,280 Speaker 1: I've never had a password on my account ever. And 310 00:22:26,040 --> 00:22:29,359 Speaker 1: the life insurance the life insurance company said that someone 311 00:22:29,440 --> 00:22:32,879 Speaker 1: had called and represented themselves as Charles and put a 312 00:22:32,880 --> 00:22:36,639 Speaker 1: password on the account just days prior to Charles calling 313 00:22:36,640 --> 00:22:40,040 Speaker 1: and trying to change the beneficiary, and it was a 314 00:22:40,080 --> 00:22:43,119 Speaker 1: big nightmare and mess for him to try to change 315 00:22:43,200 --> 00:22:48,000 Speaker 1: that back. And he said in an email to me, 316 00:22:48,480 --> 00:22:52,080 Speaker 1: if anything happens to me before the beneficiary has changed 317 00:22:52,080 --> 00:22:55,320 Speaker 1: and this gets all ironed out with the life insurance company, 318 00:22:56,000 --> 00:22:59,200 Speaker 1: please know that I want all of the life insurance 319 00:22:59,320 --> 00:23:03,560 Speaker 1: proceeds to go to Kay Woodcock, my sister. That is 320 00:23:03,720 --> 00:23:08,520 Speaker 1: damning if I die before I can change it. You've 321 00:23:08,560 --> 00:23:10,840 Speaker 1: got to know I wanted to go to my sister Kay. 322 00:23:12,960 --> 00:23:17,040 Speaker 1: So it seems as if the clock was running. How 323 00:23:17,080 --> 00:23:23,880 Speaker 1: many days after that communication was he killed. That communication 324 00:23:23,960 --> 00:23:26,639 Speaker 1: took place at the end of February, so we're talking 325 00:23:27,240 --> 00:23:31,920 Speaker 1: four and a half months for it to happen. And 326 00:23:32,440 --> 00:23:36,359 Speaker 1: I never knew if Charles was able to change the 327 00:23:36,359 --> 00:23:39,159 Speaker 1: beneficiary completely and get that all ironed out with the 328 00:23:39,200 --> 00:23:45,440 Speaker 1: life insurance policy until after his death when I learned 329 00:23:45,440 --> 00:23:48,879 Speaker 1: that he had and that Kay was a little beneficiary, 330 00:23:48,920 --> 00:23:51,320 Speaker 1: and that Laurie was not very happy with it. As 331 00:23:51,359 --> 00:23:56,640 Speaker 1: you can imagine, I'm just thinking back through all the 332 00:23:56,640 --> 00:24:02,399 Speaker 1: communications that Charles told you about with Cultmont Laurie Valo. 333 00:24:03,440 --> 00:24:06,200 Speaker 1: I read a lot about it in what parts of 334 00:24:06,280 --> 00:24:10,080 Speaker 1: the divorce papers that I've been able to read. What 335 00:24:10,160 --> 00:24:16,680 Speaker 1: do you believe Taylor Lawson is the most significant threat 336 00:24:16,960 --> 00:24:22,560 Speaker 1: or communication Laurie Valo made to Charles. The most significant 337 00:24:22,560 --> 00:24:24,640 Speaker 1: one to me and the one that always stuck out 338 00:24:24,680 --> 00:24:26,679 Speaker 1: to me and made the hair on the back of 339 00:24:26,720 --> 00:24:31,920 Speaker 1: my neck stand up when he told me, was when 340 00:24:31,920 --> 00:24:35,000 Speaker 1: she told him over the phone, if you come home, 341 00:24:35,160 --> 00:24:37,879 Speaker 1: I'm going to kill you, and I have an angel 342 00:24:37,920 --> 00:24:42,840 Speaker 1: here to dispose of your body. Obviously, that type of allegation. 343 00:24:42,920 --> 00:24:45,720 Speaker 1: We hear allegations all the time in divorce law. Right 344 00:24:46,240 --> 00:24:50,600 Speaker 1: at it's a very emotionally driven type of law. You know, 345 00:24:50,640 --> 00:24:53,880 Speaker 1: these people are at their worst, and there's a lot 346 00:24:53,920 --> 00:24:57,560 Speaker 1: of hate flowing between each other. But never have I 347 00:24:57,640 --> 00:25:03,440 Speaker 1: ever heard of a threat so clear and so just heinous. 348 00:25:03,520 --> 00:25:05,879 Speaker 1: And the fact that she thought that she could have 349 00:25:05,920 --> 00:25:10,399 Speaker 1: an angel there at her beckoning call to dispose the 350 00:25:10,520 --> 00:25:18,080 Speaker 1: body and presumably dispose of the evidence. Why do you 351 00:25:18,240 --> 00:25:22,439 Speaker 1: believe Charles Valo went over to Laurie Valo's that day 352 00:25:22,520 --> 00:25:27,160 Speaker 1: that he was shot. I believe that Charles did that 353 00:25:27,280 --> 00:25:33,240 Speaker 1: because he loved JJ more than anything in this world. 354 00:25:33,880 --> 00:25:37,480 Speaker 1: And I know that at the time, Charles was living 355 00:25:37,480 --> 00:25:40,040 Speaker 1: in Texas away from JJ, while JJ was here in 356 00:25:40,119 --> 00:25:45,320 Speaker 1: Arizona with Lori. And I know that Charles wanted to 357 00:25:45,359 --> 00:25:50,440 Speaker 1: spend time with his son. And you know, I've heard 358 00:25:50,520 --> 00:25:54,200 Speaker 1: that that he was intending on taking JJ to breakfast 359 00:25:54,240 --> 00:26:00,400 Speaker 1: that day before he took him to school, and you know, unfortunately, 360 00:26:01,320 --> 00:26:04,359 Speaker 1: he didn't ever make it to that breakfast. Do you 361 00:26:04,480 --> 00:26:09,840 Speaker 1: believe or have you been told that police are close 362 00:26:10,320 --> 00:26:15,919 Speaker 1: to charging Laurie Valor with Charles's murdyr. I have not 363 00:26:16,040 --> 00:26:21,800 Speaker 1: been told anything, I would hope. So I do believe 364 00:26:22,000 --> 00:26:26,000 Speaker 1: that the motive is clear, that this was an intent 365 00:26:26,320 --> 00:26:31,560 Speaker 1: to kill. 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Taylor Larson. 390 00:28:30,640 --> 00:28:35,840 Speaker 1: I just don't understand the logistics of what happened, because, 391 00:28:36,400 --> 00:28:43,440 Speaker 1: by Laurie Valo's statement, your client, Charles Valoe, came over, 392 00:28:44,800 --> 00:28:50,760 Speaker 1: got into an argument with Alex Cox, hit Alex Cox 393 00:28:50,920 --> 00:28:56,600 Speaker 1: in the back of the head, but your client was 394 00:28:56,640 --> 00:29:01,600 Speaker 1: shot twice in the chest and right, and that doesn't 395 00:29:01,600 --> 00:29:05,800 Speaker 1: fit together for me logistically. How did he get hit 396 00:29:05,840 --> 00:29:07,960 Speaker 1: in the back of the head and then in self 397 00:29:08,000 --> 00:29:11,160 Speaker 1: defense turn around and shoot him twice in the chest. 398 00:29:11,520 --> 00:29:14,160 Speaker 1: I'm also curious as to whether those shots were at 399 00:29:14,200 --> 00:29:18,959 Speaker 1: close range or if gunshot powder residue tests were taken 400 00:29:19,840 --> 00:29:25,440 Speaker 1: that day on Laurie Valo and Alex Cox or on 401 00:29:25,920 --> 00:29:30,560 Speaker 1: your clients chest. Was it a contact wound. We don't 402 00:29:30,560 --> 00:29:34,560 Speaker 1: know what happened, and the physicality what we're learning from 403 00:29:34,560 --> 00:29:39,480 Speaker 1: forensics does not jive with what Alex Cox and Laurie 404 00:29:39,520 --> 00:29:42,720 Speaker 1: Valo said happened. I think another important part of that 405 00:29:43,280 --> 00:29:46,600 Speaker 1: is that Alex Cox, on the bodycam footage even says 406 00:29:47,200 --> 00:29:48,760 Speaker 1: he hit me in the back of the head with 407 00:29:48,960 --> 00:29:52,400 Speaker 1: a bat then I went into my room. He went 408 00:29:52,440 --> 00:29:55,880 Speaker 1: back into his room to grab the gun and then 409 00:29:56,000 --> 00:29:58,440 Speaker 1: came back out and shot Charles twice in the chest. 410 00:29:59,120 --> 00:30:02,880 Speaker 1: How is that self defense under the law? That turns 411 00:30:02,880 --> 00:30:07,239 Speaker 1: Alex Cox into the aggressor. But Laurie Valli says she 412 00:30:07,360 --> 00:30:09,520 Speaker 1: was in the kitchen the whole time, which I find 413 00:30:09,640 --> 00:30:14,720 Speaker 1: very difficult to believe. Yeah, I don't believe that for effect. 414 00:30:14,960 --> 00:30:17,840 Speaker 1: I think there were two different stories she told police, 415 00:30:18,200 --> 00:30:21,240 Speaker 1: one where she had already taken JJ, one where she 416 00:30:21,360 --> 00:30:25,160 Speaker 1: was in the kitchen, and Alex said that same same thing. 417 00:30:25,200 --> 00:30:28,040 Speaker 1: I think he changed his story twice too, saying that 418 00:30:28,200 --> 00:30:31,800 Speaker 1: Laurie was home at the beginning, and then saying that 419 00:30:32,600 --> 00:30:37,160 Speaker 1: she was gone, also taking JJ to school in Charles's car, 420 00:30:37,280 --> 00:30:40,400 Speaker 1: No less the car that Charles drove there, his rental 421 00:30:40,440 --> 00:30:44,280 Speaker 1: car drove to Laurie's house, she went and got into 422 00:30:44,400 --> 00:30:47,960 Speaker 1: his car while he was fighting with Alex. I don't 423 00:30:48,000 --> 00:30:56,040 Speaker 1: believe that. But then also Tiley states to police that 424 00:30:56,320 --> 00:31:02,360 Speaker 1: after the shooting is when JJ was taken school. Yeah, 425 00:31:02,680 --> 00:31:06,480 Speaker 1: it just it doesn't make sense to me. It never has. 426 00:31:06,920 --> 00:31:10,240 Speaker 1: But I will tell you when I first learned of 427 00:31:10,400 --> 00:31:15,080 Speaker 1: Charles's murder, it was a few weeks after the shooting. 428 00:31:15,440 --> 00:31:18,520 Speaker 1: I didn't see it in the news at first, and 429 00:31:18,560 --> 00:31:22,080 Speaker 1: then I was contacted by a family member of Charles 430 00:31:22,080 --> 00:31:27,040 Speaker 1: who told me, and right away, as soon as she 431 00:31:27,200 --> 00:31:32,360 Speaker 1: told me that Charles had been shot and killed. I said, 432 00:31:33,080 --> 00:31:36,440 Speaker 1: was it Alex and she said yes, And I said 433 00:31:36,800 --> 00:31:40,360 Speaker 1: has he been arrested? And she said no. And I said, 434 00:31:40,480 --> 00:31:44,720 Speaker 1: how is that possible? And she said, well, he's claiming 435 00:31:44,720 --> 00:31:47,440 Speaker 1: it was self defense. And I said, there's no way 436 00:31:47,480 --> 00:31:49,719 Speaker 1: it was self defense. It was pre planned. And this 437 00:31:49,760 --> 00:31:52,920 Speaker 1: was before I knew any of the facts of what 438 00:31:53,080 --> 00:31:57,640 Speaker 1: happened on that day. I'm wondering if Laurie Vale lured 439 00:31:57,720 --> 00:32:02,200 Speaker 1: Charles over that day. I've wondered that too, mostly because 440 00:32:03,040 --> 00:32:05,800 Speaker 1: I don't know why Charles would go into the house 441 00:32:06,280 --> 00:32:10,720 Speaker 1: to have a discussion with Lorie, especially with Alex there. 442 00:32:10,760 --> 00:32:14,320 Speaker 1: Just a few months beforehand. Charles is telling me, hey, 443 00:32:14,480 --> 00:32:17,600 Speaker 1: if anything happens to me, it's Alex who killed me 444 00:32:17,680 --> 00:32:21,080 Speaker 1: and Laurie, you know, is behind that. So if he 445 00:32:21,160 --> 00:32:23,280 Speaker 1: knew that Alex and Laurie were in the house, I 446 00:32:23,280 --> 00:32:26,600 Speaker 1: don't believe that he would have went in. And if 447 00:32:26,640 --> 00:32:28,640 Speaker 1: he was just there to pick up JJ, why does 448 00:32:28,640 --> 00:32:32,160 Speaker 1: he need to go into the house. You know, what 449 00:32:32,360 --> 00:32:35,000 Speaker 1: kind of a hole did Laurie Valo have over her 450 00:32:35,040 --> 00:32:39,040 Speaker 1: brother Alex. She's referred to him as her hitman. He 451 00:32:39,120 --> 00:32:43,040 Speaker 1: attacked her other husband. Now Charles Valo, and Valo is dead. 452 00:32:44,880 --> 00:32:49,280 Speaker 1: Many people believe he shot at Brandon Bedro for Laurie 453 00:32:49,400 --> 00:32:54,880 Speaker 1: Valo and possibly shot at Tammy daybel for Laurie val 454 00:32:55,440 --> 00:32:59,360 Speaker 1: What kind of hole does she have over him? Yeah, 455 00:32:59,400 --> 00:33:02,480 Speaker 1: it's a very good question, and I don't know if 456 00:33:02,520 --> 00:33:06,720 Speaker 1: we'll ever get the answer because Alex is dead. But 457 00:33:06,800 --> 00:33:10,120 Speaker 1: I will tell you that Charles, when he first came 458 00:33:10,120 --> 00:33:13,120 Speaker 1: into our office, he met with the managing partner of 459 00:33:13,120 --> 00:33:18,000 Speaker 1: our firm, Steve Ellsworth, and Charles told Steve in the 460 00:33:18,040 --> 00:33:24,600 Speaker 1: initial consultation that Alex was Laurie's destroying angel and that 461 00:33:24,760 --> 00:33:29,280 Speaker 1: he was there to protect her at all costs. Well, 462 00:33:29,320 --> 00:33:33,240 Speaker 1: it all fits together for me, because Laurie Valo told you, client, 463 00:33:33,920 --> 00:33:36,800 Speaker 1: if you come home, I'm going to kill you, and 464 00:33:36,920 --> 00:33:39,400 Speaker 1: I've got an angel here to dispose of your body. 465 00:33:39,960 --> 00:33:42,840 Speaker 1: On a previous incident, she had referred to Alex Cox, 466 00:33:42,920 --> 00:33:48,120 Speaker 1: her brother, as her quote destroying angel. So that's the 467 00:33:48,640 --> 00:33:51,520 Speaker 1: angel that was going to get rid of his body. 468 00:33:52,600 --> 00:33:55,800 Speaker 1: I agree. One. We have a man here in Charles 469 00:33:55,800 --> 00:33:59,960 Speaker 1: who was an ultimate family man, who loved his family 470 00:34:00,240 --> 00:34:02,920 Speaker 1: more than anything and would do anything for them, and 471 00:34:03,600 --> 00:34:08,239 Speaker 1: he predicted what would happen to not only himself, but 472 00:34:08,280 --> 00:34:13,080 Speaker 1: also to the children. Months prior to it all happening, 473 00:34:13,360 --> 00:34:16,680 Speaker 1: you know, he was very concerned about Tyley's her safety 474 00:34:17,040 --> 00:34:20,080 Speaker 1: as well as JJ's. It was unfortunate that through the 475 00:34:20,160 --> 00:34:23,040 Speaker 1: court system here in Arizona, we could only try to 476 00:34:24,000 --> 00:34:27,960 Speaker 1: protect JJ. But I will tell you that Charles was very, 477 00:34:28,080 --> 00:34:31,280 Speaker 1: very fearful of what was going to happen to Tyley 478 00:34:31,360 --> 00:34:35,239 Speaker 1: as well, and he loved Tyley as his own. He says, 479 00:34:35,280 --> 00:34:39,879 Speaker 1: going to happen to the children, well, he didn't specifically 480 00:34:39,880 --> 00:34:43,080 Speaker 1: ever say that Laurie would would do anything to harm them, 481 00:34:43,160 --> 00:34:47,520 Speaker 1: just that she had inferred that the children were a 482 00:34:47,560 --> 00:34:50,640 Speaker 1: burden and that she if anybody got in her way 483 00:34:50,680 --> 00:34:54,360 Speaker 1: of her mission, she would dispose of them. And so 484 00:34:54,680 --> 00:34:58,040 Speaker 1: it was more of a you know, if she has 485 00:34:58,160 --> 00:35:01,200 Speaker 1: the kids, she's number one on not going to think 486 00:35:01,239 --> 00:35:04,360 Speaker 1: of their best interests. She's going to be obsessed with 487 00:35:04,600 --> 00:35:07,319 Speaker 1: the end of times and preparing the one hundred and 488 00:35:07,360 --> 00:35:12,120 Speaker 1: forty four thousand over the children and not care for them. 489 00:35:12,160 --> 00:35:15,920 Speaker 1: And the fact that JJ's special needs and takes, you know, 490 00:35:16,239 --> 00:35:19,719 Speaker 1: needs special care, she wasn't going to be able to 491 00:35:19,760 --> 00:35:22,799 Speaker 1: provide that. I don't know if Charles ever thought that 492 00:35:22,840 --> 00:35:26,680 Speaker 1: she would harm the children in a way or you know. 493 00:35:26,800 --> 00:35:31,279 Speaker 1: But he was very fearful that if she was going 494 00:35:31,360 --> 00:35:33,799 Speaker 1: to have the children in her care, that they were 495 00:35:33,800 --> 00:35:38,040 Speaker 1: not going to be safe. Taylor Lawson, Associate attorney with 496 00:35:38,120 --> 00:35:41,800 Speaker 1: Elsworth Family Law. I've got a feeling you're going to 497 00:35:42,000 --> 00:35:45,000 Speaker 1: end up as a state's witness at some point. No 498 00:35:45,040 --> 00:35:47,760 Speaker 1: attorney wants to ever be a witness at a murder 499 00:35:47,840 --> 00:35:51,120 Speaker 1: trial for one of their clients, But in this situation, 500 00:35:51,239 --> 00:35:54,000 Speaker 1: I think that that's as close to justice as we 501 00:35:54,040 --> 00:35:57,919 Speaker 1: can get for Charles. Thank you so much for being 502 00:35:57,920 --> 00:35:58,720 Speaker 1: with us. Taylor