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Speaker 1: Hello there, I'm Chuck Todd. Welcome to another episode of

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Speaker 1: the Chuck Todcast. My solo guest today is Congressman Chris

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Speaker 1: Deluzio from one of the swingiest districts over the last

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Speaker 1: ten years, Pennsylvania seventeen. It's a little less swinging now

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Speaker 1: after redrawing of the maps in twenty twenty one for

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Speaker 1: the twenty twenty two election, but he's replaced Connor Lamb,

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Speaker 1: who was sort of seen as symbolically in the last

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Speaker 1: decade as Democrats are looking to see if they could

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Speaker 1: make inroads and departs of Trump Country. That special election

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Speaker 1: for Pennsylvania seventeen was sort of a canary in the

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Speaker 1: coal mine for the twenty eighteen midterms. So checking in

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Speaker 1: with a swing state member of Congress I think is

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Speaker 1: Worthwhile he's part of western Pennsylvania, we have an interesting

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Speaker 1: conversation about where the party should go, where John Fetterman

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Speaker 1: is at politically, how we deal with some of the

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Speaker 1: crucial issues that are rising up, and he sort of

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Speaker 1: puts a puts a little bit of a pin into

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Speaker 1: hey pay attention to an issue that we're not talking

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Speaker 1: about enough but is rising in importance with his constituents.

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Speaker 1: The electric bill, and you're starting to see this percolate

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Speaker 1: in a lot of places. The drain on our grids,

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Speaker 1: the strain if you will, on our grids with AI

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Speaker 1: AI power AI related data centers, the demand for more power.

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Speaker 1: We've had a lot of tumult you know, the the

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Speaker 1: extreme climates you know where where we're using now, the

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Speaker 1: heat more often in the South in the winter, the

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Speaker 1: ac more often in the North in the summer. All

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Speaker 1: of that is contributing to an issue there. So I

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Speaker 1: do think the interview itself is worthwhile for a variety

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Speaker 1: of reasons. But I'm always happy to talk to these

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Speaker 1: members of Congress because I always want to find out, Hey,

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Speaker 1: there's issues we talk about here in the Press Corps,

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Speaker 1: there's issues members of Congress in Washington talk about. But

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Speaker 1: what's being brought up that isn't being talked about in Washington?

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Speaker 1: And that was an issue he highlighted. So I just

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Speaker 1: wanted to flag that because it actually gets to a

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Speaker 1: larger part of what I want to get to today.

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Speaker 1: By the way, I'll have my top five list that'll

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Speaker 1: happen after the interview. For those of there listening to

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Speaker 1: my entire Wednesday Slate on one download for those of

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Speaker 1: you that just do the monologue separately from the interview.

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Speaker 1: That means that after my top two issues that I'm

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Speaker 1: going to tackle today, one is sort of just generically Trump,

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Speaker 1: and I'll get to that in a minute, and the

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Speaker 1: other is the fallout from the book by Kamala Harris.

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Speaker 1: But I'll have a top five list, we'll have some

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Speaker 1: Q and A, we've got the Crystal Lose your interview,

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Speaker 1: but let's get into it. And I want to deal

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Speaker 1: with the lead of my substack piece this week, which

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Speaker 1: is there's a lot of concern and do human gloom

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Speaker 1: right at least on the left when it comes to Trump,

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Speaker 1: and it's frankly understandable, just frankly the last twenty four

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Speaker 1: hours or with his rambling press conference with Bobby Kennedy

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Speaker 1: and how confusing and chaotic that was, and then of

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Speaker 1: course the rambling, bizarre speech that he gave at the

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Speaker 1: United Nations. So in sort of back to back appearances, right,

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Speaker 1: there's the version of Donald Trump that frankly, a majority

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Speaker 1: of voters don't like. And every time, the more you

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Speaker 1: see that version the more while his base loves it,

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Speaker 1: everybody else doesn't, and it sort of gets at what

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Speaker 1: I think is a missing piece and the doom and gloomerism.

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Speaker 1: I'm not saying what he's what he's been doing is

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Speaker 1: not quite alarming. In fact, what he's done in the

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Speaker 1: last few weeks has been quite brazen, right. The weaponization

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Speaker 1: telling his attorney general who she needs to be prosecuting, right,

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Speaker 1: the firing of a US attorney who refused to bring

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Speaker 1: charges because there wentn't enough evidence against somebody, that bag

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Speaker 1: of cash business with tom Omen where they're not denying it.

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Speaker 1: I did nothing illegal, yeah, because the case was dropped,

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Speaker 1: so that you're right, there is no charge of you

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Speaker 1: breaking the law. But the fact that he answered as

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Speaker 1: if he was being questioned by authorities when he appeared

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Speaker 1: on Laura Ingram, I think tells you how guilty he

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Speaker 1: knows he probably is. The weaponization of the FCC. So

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Speaker 1: look all of his words and actions over the last

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Speaker 1: two days, two weeks, two months, frankly six years, right,

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Speaker 1: they've been alarming. I get it, and I understand the

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Speaker 1: instinct by many, particularly in the independent media space, but

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Speaker 1: in other sort of Trump opposition circles that you feel

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Speaker 1: kind of dark. It feels like dark right now because

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Speaker 1: you've seen nobody stands up against Trump in this term

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Speaker 1: In fact, ed Loose, who does really good work at

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Speaker 1: the Financial Times, is a pretty I enjoy his writing.

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Speaker 1: He sort of summarized things this way less than a

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Speaker 1: year after Trump was elected. The separation of powers is

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Speaker 1: not working. Congress is irrelevant, the Supreme Court is quiescent.

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Speaker 1: The media is punch drunk, Democrats are fragmented, Independent federal

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Speaker 1: agencies are losing autonomy. The markets are simply high in

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Speaker 1: the AI gold rush, crypto deregulation, in the prospect of

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Speaker 1: a return to easy money. It was his way of

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Speaker 1: trying to you know, trying to warran. Hey, nobody is

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Speaker 1: pushing back on Trump. That's true. But I think we've

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Speaker 1: got to acknowledge the following fact and what gets lost

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Speaker 1: in this doom and glooms that the voters haven't weighed

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Speaker 1: in right. Corporate leaders, tech investors, crypto enthusiasts, culture servative,

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Speaker 1: culture warriors, all of them have been the knee to Trump.

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Speaker 1: For one reason or another. But let's not assume the

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Speaker 1: voters are going to simply fall in line, especially if

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Speaker 1: their lives haven't improved in the way that Donald Trump

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Speaker 1: and this gets it to what I think has been

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Speaker 1: the incorrect diagnosis for why Trump lost the first time,

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Speaker 1: and frankly an incorrect diagnosis at times of why Trump

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Speaker 1: is back for a second term. I think a lot

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Speaker 1: of Democrats, particularly in the ways they chose to govern

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Speaker 1: the first two years when Democrats had full control of

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Speaker 1: the Congress and the presidency, is they conducted things and

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Speaker 1: they assumed that what the reason the country rejected Trump

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Speaker 1: was rejected his ideas, and I think it's now obvious

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Speaker 1: that that wasn't the case, especially if they were willing

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Speaker 1: to bring him back. If his ideas were wrong, they

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Speaker 1: never would have brought him back. What they didn't like

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Speaker 1: was the chaos that he brought. His leadership in a

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Speaker 1: crisis was terrible. During COVID, it was the equivalent of

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Speaker 1: feeling like especially that last year of the Trump presidency,

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Speaker 1: and in many ways the whole four years felt this way.

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Speaker 1: That you were. You're on a roller coaster. And I've

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Speaker 1: used this metaphor before, and covering Trump is this way,

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Speaker 1: which sometimes I think gets some reporters numb to what

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Speaker 1: Trump is up to. You're on this constant roller coaster,

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Speaker 1: but you get on and off the ride in the

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Speaker 1: same place. Right, You never make any progress, But boy,

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Speaker 1: me nauseous. That doesn't mean they wanted open borders, right,

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Speaker 1: That doesn't mean that there were certain things that they

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Speaker 1: were rejecting of what Trump wanted. They simply wanted somebody

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Speaker 1: there right now worried. Look I hear it, and some

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Speaker 1: of you write me and saying, you know, why are

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Speaker 1: you so sure the twenty twenty six elections are going

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Speaker 1: to be fair? You know, why are you sure he

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Speaker 1: isn't going to try to cancel those elections? And look,

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Speaker 1: he is certainly willing to try anything, right, anybody that

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Speaker 1: behave the way he behaved on January sixth. You cannot

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Speaker 1: assume he won't try anything. But I do think we

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Speaker 1: underrate the strength of the American voter and the concern

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Speaker 1: to vote based on their own lived experience, not necessarily

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Speaker 1: what's being said or what's being fed to him by

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Speaker 1: a warped algorithm. Look, when you look at everything Trump's

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Speaker 1: you don't want to see you just keep pumping it

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Speaker 1: after five days, you might be gone for five days.

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Speaker 1: You look, oh my tire's flat, but you didn't sort

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Speaker 1: of see it day to day, right in each day

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Speaker 1: like he couldn't be more opposite of Ronald Reagan. Ronald

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Speaker 1: perceived enemies strengthen their hold on certain aspects of the culture,

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Speaker 1: rather than channeling their own internal Reagan and actually trying

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Speaker 1: to talk to the entire country, actually attempting to persuade

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Speaker 1: skeptical people of his agenda that his style or his

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Speaker 1: ideas are are set to supposedly benefit all more than

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Speaker 1: just his base and more than just Americans who live

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Speaker 1: in red states. I think he's I think this he isn't.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I think there's a reason he's pursuing an

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Speaker 1: aggressive redistricting strategy. I think they know that he doesn't

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Speaker 1: have a winning hand, and rather than trying to be

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Speaker 1: a better politician, they're going to just hope they can

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Speaker 1: figure out a way to motivate their base, and if

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Speaker 1: his voters come out, he can mitigate the losses and

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Speaker 1: maybe in a polarized environment, eke out a House majority

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Speaker 1: that allows them to keep both the House and the Senate.

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Speaker 1: Now I kind of think that this is setting up.

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Speaker 1: It isn't going to be you know, you can, redistricting

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Speaker 1: can help you in a tie election or a polarized election,

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Speaker 1: but if you're losing by you know, six points in

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Speaker 1: the generic ballot somewhere's six to ten points in the

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Speaker 1: generic ballot, well, it doesn't you know, your flood your

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Speaker 1: flood wall can't get much isn't going to be high

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Speaker 1: enough to protect you from that? And so you know,

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Speaker 1: this will be the difference between Democrats winning twenty to

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Speaker 1: twenty five seats and an un h redistricted redistricting environment

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Speaker 1: to ten to fifteen seats in a in this environment,

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Speaker 1: which still would give them a majority and likely a

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Speaker 1: bigger majority than they had the last time that they

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Speaker 1: controlled the House. So I do think Trump is more

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Speaker 1: vulnerable than people realize. One two, I think the voters

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Speaker 1: it's it's it's not the specific ideas. I think where

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Speaker 1: the where the left gets this wrong, right, and where

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Speaker 1: where there is a divide inside the Democratic Party is

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Speaker 1: that I do think there are someone that are called,

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Speaker 1: you know, supposed centrists or center left people who see

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Speaker 1: it as a tone issue and a temperament issue, and

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Speaker 1: that this is what people The people want some certainty

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Speaker 1: and people don't want this sort of disruptive nature. I

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Speaker 1: think some progressive seeing opportunity to do what Trump successfully

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Speaker 1: did was use, you know, insert a much more conservative

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Speaker 1: of agenda into the ecosystem, even though the only reason

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Speaker 1: that wing that the Republican got power was not because

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Speaker 1: people bought in to that conservative agenda. They just didn't

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Speaker 1: like what Hillary Clinton was selling and what Barack Obama

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Speaker 1: was endorsing back in twenty sixteen. And just like they

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Speaker 1: didn't like you know, this is not a case where

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Speaker 1: people thought, oh, I want more of this Donald Trump.

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Speaker 1: What they wanted was sort of what they got in

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Speaker 1: the first term. Donald Trump with guardrails. There were guardrails

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Speaker 1: inside his own executive branch thanks to Ryan's previous and

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Speaker 1: Mike Pence. There were guardrails in the US Congress, there

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Speaker 1: were guardrails in the press, there were guardrails in corporate America.

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Speaker 1: What we now have is Donald Trump with very few guardrails, right,

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Speaker 1: that's the point ed loose made at the top of

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Speaker 1: this piece. But there's still one entity that hasn't spoken

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Speaker 1: yet that I think their lived experience is going to

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Speaker 1: tell them I want off of this ride, and that's

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Speaker 1: the American voter itself. So might sign it a little

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Speaker 1: pollyannish where I'm going here, But you know, I do

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Speaker 1: think a voter's lived experience is going to trump perception.

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Speaker 1: Just like we saw in twenty twenty. They didn't like

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Speaker 1: the chaos that he was bringing. Wherever Donald Trump goes,

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Speaker 1: there's chaos in its wake, and especially if people feel

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Speaker 1: like this economy isn't working for men right now, it's

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Speaker 1: not right. The cost to live is going up. I

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Speaker 1: told you one of the things in Crystiluzio's interview that

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Speaker 1: comes up is the cost the rising cost of electricity.

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Speaker 1: Electric bills are going up, property insurance is going up.

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Speaker 1: So everybody is feeling this pain.

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 1: Your cup of coffee has gone up twenty to forty

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Speaker 1: percent in cost just over the last couple of months

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Speaker 1: because of Tariff's You're just going to The ability to

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Speaker 1: buy a home feels like it's gotten further away. So

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Speaker 1: there's a reason all of his polling is starting to

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Speaker 1: trickle down. There's a reason the wrong direction right track

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Speaker 1: numbers are starting to pull apart again, right with wrong

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Speaker 1: track or wrong direction depending on how the poster asket

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Speaker 1: starting to get back up over sixty percent, and at

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Speaker 1: times it was in the seventies when it came to

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Speaker 1: Biden and such. So that's a number to keep an

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Speaker 1: eye on. The lived experience of the American voter, I

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Speaker 1: think is a lot more important here. I get the

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Speaker 1: concern about what Trump's trying to do day today, and

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Speaker 1: there's no doubt there's a judiciary is broken thanks to

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Speaker 1: the US Senate Congress does not understand that it is

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Speaker 1: an equal branch of government. We'll see if there's new

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Speaker 1: members that come in there and decide to exert itself.

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Speaker 1: He has surrounded himself with sickophants this time with really,

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Speaker 1: I mean, there's only one issue where it feels like

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Speaker 1: he's got people in his own staff who disagree, and

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Speaker 1: it's dealing with Russia. In fact, by the way, before

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Speaker 1: I move on to a quick few takes on the

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Speaker 1: Kamala book, I don't believe Donald Trump wrote the tweet

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Speaker 1: that has been circulating on Ukraine. Okay, this is supposedly

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Speaker 1: a Donald Trump truth social post, and I'm going to

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Speaker 1: read it verbatim, and then we're going to decide together

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Speaker 1: where you really think this is Donald Trump. After getting

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Speaker 1: to know and fully understand the Ukraine Russia military and

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Speaker 1: economic situation, and after seeing the economic trouble it is

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Speaker 1: causing Russia, I think Ukraine, with the support of the

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Speaker 1: European Union, is in a position to fight and win

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Speaker 1: all of Ukraine back in its original form, with time, patience,

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Speaker 1: and the financial support of Europe and in particular NATO.

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Speaker 1: The original borders from where this war started is very

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Speaker 1: much an option. Why not. Russia has been fighting aimlessly

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Speaker 1: for three and a half years, a war that should

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Speaker 1: have taken a real military power less than a week

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Speaker 1: to win. This is not distinguishing Russia. In fact, it

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Speaker 1: is very much making them look like a quote paper

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Speaker 1: tiger unquote. Have read this tweet for batam. Okay, now

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Speaker 1: let me read to you just the first parts of

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Speaker 1: his tweet about canceling the meeting with Schumer and Jeffries,

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Speaker 1: and he writes, after reviewing the details of the unserious

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Speaker 1: and ridiculous demands being made by the minority radical left

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Speaker 1: Democrats in return for their votes to keep our thriving

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Speaker 1: country open. I have decided that no meeting with their

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Speaker 1: congressional leaders could possibly be productive. They are threatening to

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Speaker 1: shut down the government of the United States unless they

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Speaker 1: can have over a trillion dollars in new spending to

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Speaker 1: continue free health care for illegal aliens a monumental cost

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Speaker 1: exclamation point, Force taxpayers to fund transgender surgery for miners,

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Speaker 1: have dead people on the Medicaid roles, allow I legal

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Speaker 1: alien criminals to steal billions of dollars in American taxpayer benefits.

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Speaker 1: Try to force our country to again open our borders

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Speaker 1: to criminals and to the world. Okay, I've read about

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Speaker 1: half of that tweet. That was clearly Donald Trump right,

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Speaker 1: no question about it. Again, let's go back. That was

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Speaker 1: at nine point forty two this morning, so supposedly at

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Speaker 1: two fifty five in the afternoon, he's using a sentence.

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Speaker 2: Again.

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Speaker 1: I'm going to reread one of the sentences because with

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Speaker 1: no it had no edits, it had no parentheses, it

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Speaker 1: had no asides that he normally has. Again, do we

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Speaker 1: really think Donald Trump wrote the following with time patients

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Speaker 1: and the financial support of Europe and in particular NATO

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Speaker 1: the original borders from where this war started as very

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Speaker 1: much an option. Anyway, it's fascinating. I don't it is

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Speaker 1: this Trump Russia thing, right. Look, here's what we do know.

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Speaker 1: Marco Rubio is both as Secretary State National Security Advisor.

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Speaker 1: Marco Rubio is very clear eyed about the threat of Russia.

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Speaker 1: He cares about the threat of Russia because their allies

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Speaker 1: with Maduro and Venezuela. He cares about the threat of

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Speaker 1: Russia because their allies with the regime in Cuba. He

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Speaker 1: cares about the that it's really because he was on

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Speaker 1: the Intelligence committee before, he was in a position to

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Speaker 1: even see everything that Russia was doing. He's well aware.

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Speaker 1: He had his own campaign hacked by the Russians. He's

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Speaker 1: had his own stuff stolen by the Russians. He's pretty

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Speaker 1: clear eyed on this and while he may go along

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Speaker 1: with him on a lot of his other crazy it

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Speaker 1: is fascinating to me that on this issue he always

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Speaker 1: slowly is able to pull Trump back to the brink

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Speaker 1: too suddenly, and now he's essentially got hey, NATO can

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Speaker 1: do it at once. Now Trump is if you've noticed

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Speaker 1: is trying to distance himself a bit from NATO. Hey,

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Speaker 1: if NATO shoots down the planes, that's up to NATO. Well,

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Speaker 1: we're forty percent of NATO. We are NATO, Okay. Who's

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Speaker 1: the NATO Supreme Allied Commander? Always an American general. So

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Speaker 1: but it's almost like he's trying to do the wink

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Speaker 1: in the nod with Boutin and at the same time

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Speaker 1: washing his hands. What it really means is that Zelenski

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Speaker 1: is going to get what he needs from Europe and

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Speaker 1: from NATO. The Americans are not going to directly give

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Speaker 1: him anything anymore, but they're going to do it through

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Speaker 1: the E and they're going to through NATO. But I

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Speaker 1: do think it's fascinating that Donald Trump decided to let

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Speaker 1: somebody else. It's hard to imagine he wrote any of this.

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Speaker 1: He probably approved it, don't get me wrong, but it's

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Speaker 1: hard to imagine when you see the language that he

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Speaker 1: used to cancel his meeting with Jeffreys and Schumer, which

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Speaker 1: when we get to in a minute, with the language

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Speaker 1: that he used to announce that he thinks Ukraine can

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Speaker 1: win the war. Let's just say I have a hard

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Speaker 1: time believe that the same individual came up with those

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Speaker 1: exact same words very quickly on the canceled meeting of

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Speaker 1: the Democrats. Here, I guess we know where this has headed.

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Speaker 1: We're going to shut down sooner. I might have. I

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Speaker 1: might have if I were the Democrats agreed to the

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Speaker 1: clean CR in November and then used, you know, then

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Speaker 1: waited till after the twenty twenty five elections election to

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Speaker 1: have the knockdown drag out over healthcare and shutting down

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Speaker 1: the government, if that's what you were going to use

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Speaker 1: as leverage. I do think healthcare is their best leverage.

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Speaker 1: Healthcare continues to be an issue that Democrats have more

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Speaker 1: credibility with the public on than Republicans do, and we

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Speaker 1: know they don't like the Medicaid cuts, so that more

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Speaker 1: idea that premiums are going up. This is only going

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Speaker 1: to create more problems and the cost to live issues,

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Speaker 1: especially with small business. Again, whose small business are the

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Speaker 1: ones most likely to be in the Obamacare exchanges and

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Speaker 1: most likely having to get health care on their own.

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Speaker 1: So I do think that these are politically problematic for him,

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Speaker 1: but I think Democrats would have been served better sticking

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Speaker 1: to their principles of hey, a clean sea are to

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Speaker 1: negotiate in six weeks. Those are the type of things

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Speaker 1: they used to offer up in order to buy more

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Speaker 1: time before getting to the before getting to a negotiation

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Speaker 1: and whether or not to keep the government open. So

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Speaker 1: I am I think that they Obviously Trump's not interested

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Speaker 1: in negotiating. He doesn't see it yet. It's going to

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Speaker 1: take Republicans in the House and Senate. And what he

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Speaker 1: may be setting up is he's almost going to let Democrats.

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Speaker 1: I mean, he admitted that what they want is more

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Speaker 1: money for health care. He worded it in a way

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Speaker 1: to try to appease his base. They just want this

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Speaker 1: money for illegal aliens health care. But he's acknowledging that

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Speaker 1: it's about healthcare. I think that's a political loser for

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Speaker 1: him on this one. Nobody gets a nobody's going to

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Speaker 1: get credit for a shutdown, and in fact, I think

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Speaker 1: a shutdown only feeds into what I do think is

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Speaker 1: his biggest vulnerability and has been his biggest vulnerability, the

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Speaker 1: chaos that he brings with his presidency. Nothing is ever

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Speaker 1: a straight line. Everything is always a roller coaster, and

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Speaker 1: at some point people want off of a roller coaster,

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Speaker 1: especially when they realize they get on and get off

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Speaker 1: this Trump roller coaster at the same place. Before I

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Speaker 1: get to the interview with Christulusioh, I do want to

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Speaker 1: make a few few more observations. I'm in the middle

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Speaker 1: of reading the Kamala Harris book One hundred and seven Days,

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Speaker 1: and I'm really torn about it. Just as a consumer consumer,

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Speaker 1: I love it. I feel like I am getting her

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Speaker 1: real thoughts, what she really thinks, whether it's about her

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Speaker 1: running mates, whether it's about Biden, whether it's about Trump,

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Speaker 1: whether it's about how she was dealing with certain things.

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Speaker 1: And I think it's it's quite real, it's quite revealing

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Speaker 1: for a number of reasons. It's you know, the fact

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Speaker 1: that Joe Biden called her worried that she was going

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Speaker 1: to throw him under the bus right before the debates

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Speaker 1: says a lot about who Joe Biden is and how

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Speaker 1: thin of skin he had, and frankly, how unself aware

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Speaker 1: he was about this. I think the fact that Kamala

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Speaker 1: Harris admitted in an interview in the view that that

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Speaker 1: that infamous, meaning that she wouldn't change a thing, that

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Speaker 1: she didn't quite understand how I guess she approached the

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Speaker 1: election that people just didn't want Biden because of his age,

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Speaker 1: not because of other things. Boy was that That is

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Speaker 1: a troubling acknowledgment because it tells me she did not

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Speaker 1: understand what was going on with this American electorate, right

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Speaker 1: that she just that was a mess on that one.

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Speaker 1: And like I said, as candid as she has come

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Speaker 1: across about her summing up of the running mates, basically saying, look,

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Speaker 1: Tim Walls was not my first choice. I had a

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Speaker 1: lot of other first choices, but I settled on him

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Speaker 1: because I eliminated everybody else Personally. It confirmed my reporting,

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Speaker 1: sometimes in shockingly specific ways, including the Mark Kelly issue,

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Speaker 1: whether he could, whether he would be vetted fairly or

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Speaker 1: not by the American public, the Shapiro measuring the drapes issue,

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Speaker 1: which which which would feature prominently in my reporting. And

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Speaker 1: then of course the part I didn't know about was

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Speaker 1: the fact that Pete mayor Pete was her first choice,

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Speaker 1: but she saw everything through the lens of identity on

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Speaker 1: that one. So it is I don't think this is

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Speaker 1: a book that helps her in the long run, right,

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Speaker 1: because for her to be able to run, she's got

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Speaker 1: to be able to convince a decent chunk of democratic

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Speaker 1: elites that that she's the best candidate, and you know,

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Speaker 1: I don't know if this book shows somebody that's ready

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Speaker 1: to unify the party and lead it in a new direction.

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Speaker 1: The book is lacking a sort of vision for what

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Speaker 1: she would like to do differently, I haven't finished it,

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Speaker 1: so I want to be careful totally accepting the premise

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Speaker 1: that there's no vision in there. But it is. It

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Speaker 1: is really revealing on what she went through, and so

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Speaker 1: as a journalist and a political anthropologist, I love it

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Speaker 1: because I love knowing more of what's going inside. I'm

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Speaker 1: always trying to find out what's what are they really thinking?

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Speaker 1: How do they really go about doing this? I feel

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Speaker 1: like I kind of have a sense, but I can't

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Speaker 1: shake one feeling about her that I think just makes

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Speaker 1: her makes it makes makes her a hard, gives her

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Speaker 1: a hard I think rode ahead to win the presidency.

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Speaker 1: Her training as a prosecutor means she's always coloring between

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Speaker 1: the lines, right a prosecutor, when you're when you're on

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Speaker 1: behalf of the government bringing charges against individuals, you've got

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Speaker 1: to dot every I and cross every T. You can't

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Speaker 1: play jazz, You've really got to play strict classical music

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Speaker 1: and you've got to follow the notes that are on

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Speaker 1: the score. When you're a challenger, when you've an outsider

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Speaker 1: who's not been in government, maybe not a member of

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Speaker 1: the military or not a former prosecutor, you can improvise, right,

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Speaker 1: Jazz the great improvise. You can go on a riff.

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Speaker 1: You can do this, and you can be a disruptor

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Speaker 1: and get away with it. And we know that, especially

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Speaker 1: in the moment we're living in right I think the

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Speaker 1: moment we're living in is we don't like what we have,

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Speaker 1: We're not satisfied, we're looking for something different. I think

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Speaker 1: that in a different political climate, her style could work,

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Speaker 1: But in this climate that we're living in right now,

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Speaker 1: where people don't like what they got, they're looking for

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Speaker 1: something different. I think in some ways her mindset that

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Speaker 1: I think goes back to being working in a prosecutor's

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Speaker 1: office and being a prosecutor doesn't match with where voters

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Speaker 1: are likely even to be in twenty twenty eight. So

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Speaker 1: I'm a skeptic that she runs into a because if

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Speaker 1: she still desires a place in political leadership, I think

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Speaker 1: she is the luxury of taking a cycle off. She

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Speaker 1: could always come back if the next governor is unpopular

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Speaker 1: in California. That's an option. Perhaps the presidency is an

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Speaker 1: option down the road in twenty thirty two, if the

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty eight election goes a certain way. So, like

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Speaker 1: I said, there's parts of this book that I'm really

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Speaker 1: glad she did. I don't know if this helps her

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Speaker 1: politically in their long run, but I will say this

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Speaker 1: paints a picture of a human being who was put

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Speaker 1: in a near impossible situation, and at the end of

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Speaker 1: the day, she came a lot. When you really think

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Speaker 1: about everything that was working against her, I could argue

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Speaker 1: it's remarkable how close she got to the presidency given

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Speaker 1: the circumstances with which she inherited that nomination. All Right,

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Speaker 1: with that, I'm gonna sneak in a break for those

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Speaker 1: of you listening to it all in one fell swoop

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Speaker 1: when my interview with Cristialusia and then after that my

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Speaker 1: top five lists warning has a little bit of a

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Speaker 1: sports team and a few questions, And joining me now

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Speaker 1: is a member of Congress from western Pennsylvania, which is

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Speaker 1: probably as important of a swing geographic area as there

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Speaker 1: is in the country. It's Congressman Crystallusio. He's from the

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Speaker 1: seventeenth district, And for political junkies when they think of

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Speaker 1: PA seventeen, that first name they may come to mind

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Speaker 1: is Connor Lamb. Well Crystallusio replaced Connor Lamb in Congress.

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Speaker 1: It is mostly that district. And in fact, i'll make

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Speaker 1: that your first question, congressman. How much does it you

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Speaker 1: know that that famous PA seventeen race at the time

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Speaker 1: was a big deal because it leaned more Republican in

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Speaker 1: the teens. How much of your district this is the same,

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Speaker 1: how much of it's different?

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Speaker 2: You know? And Connor first won that special election, big offset, right,

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Speaker 2: he really won that seat, captured the country's attention. Pennsylvania

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Speaker 2: Supreme Court drew fair maps after that there was Republican gerrymander.

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Speaker 2: So the district that he represented from really twenty eighteen

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Speaker 2: on very similar to mine, maybe a point or so different.

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Speaker 2: All of Beaver County, about half Alleghany County, which for

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Speaker 2: Eddie folks who know Pennsylvania, that's the county of Pittsburgh

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Speaker 2: in So it's a I don't know, the best district

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Speaker 2: in the country if you ask me, but it's competitive,

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Speaker 2: it's got a mix of everything. It's really a great

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Speaker 2: part of the world.

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Speaker 1: Well, you grew up there, so you know this. You know,

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Speaker 1: there was the I don't know whether the infamous saying

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Speaker 1: James Carvell once said about Pennsylvania, which is no longer true,

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Speaker 1: but it used to be. He'd say, just for political purposes,

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Speaker 1: Philadelphia and the east, Pittsburgh and the west, and Alabama

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Speaker 1: in the middle. And the point he was making is that,

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Speaker 1: as you know, the Democrats needed to care about the

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Speaker 1: two coasts of Pennsylvania, you know, putting coasts in plural there.

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Speaker 1: But the fact of the matter is, you know, as

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Speaker 1: the Pennsylvania, as the Philly suburbs became more democratic, the

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Speaker 1: reason the state didn't become a lot more democratic is

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Speaker 1: that western Pennsylvania, the Pittsburgh market, became much less democratic.

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Speaker 1: That is, your childhood to adulthood. Walk me through that chain,

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Speaker 1: you know, tell me how your community sort of swung there.

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Speaker 1: From there, I would argue Reagan Democrats to Clinton Democrats,

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Speaker 1: to even some Obama Democrats to now Trump Republicans.

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Speaker 2: I think a big part of that story the factory

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Speaker 2: towns and the rural communities, right, and the factory towns

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Speaker 2: you drive along the rivers in my district, especially through

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Speaker 2: Beaver County on the Ohio River, on the Beaver those

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Speaker 2: there are still great manufacturing jobs that anchor a lot

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Speaker 2: of those communities, and I think as you saw those

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Speaker 2: jobs go away in a lot of what's southwestern Pennsylvania,

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Speaker 2: you saw political realignments, anger and frustration at how that happened.

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Speaker 2: And also where you see Democrats like me who are

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Speaker 2: winning and overperforming, and those kinds of communities, we're winning

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Speaker 2: and overperforming in those exact types of towns. It's the

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Speaker 2: same story. If you look at John Fetterman's win, Joshua

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Speaker 2: Heiro's win, you look at what happened in the Senate

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Speaker 2: race last year with Bob Casey and Dave McCormick, the

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Speaker 2: margins in my part of Pennsylvania, in those factory towns,

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Speaker 2: in the rural communities, I think made the difference. It

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Speaker 2: shows in those races who can do a little better

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Speaker 2: when they're even losing those counties or losing those towns to.

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Speaker 1: Eke out a win. Did you overperform Casey? Yes, who's

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Speaker 1: the McCormick Deluzio voter.

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Speaker 2: There's a state House district Beaver County. Communities like Ambridge,

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Speaker 2: al Equippa, Beaver Falls. Rob Matthey's the state rep there

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Speaker 2: and that state House district. He won it, I won it,

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Speaker 2: and Dave McCormick won it, and it's an interesting story, right,

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Speaker 2: and Donald Trump in that district too, And you know,

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Speaker 2: I think if you spend time in that part of

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Speaker 2: my district, I think you talk to the voters who

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Speaker 2: might have voted that way, voted for me, or voted

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Speaker 2: for Rob Matsy, and maybe voted above us as Republican.

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Speaker 2: Always hard to summarize, but these were folks who are

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Speaker 2: fired up and angry about costs one good jobs. I

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Speaker 2: think the economic fight was front center, and they heard

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Speaker 2: from me since I ran in twenty twenty two. Always

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Speaker 2: an economic fight at the heart of it. Again, hard

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Speaker 2: to summarize voter by voter, but they exist, and it's

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Speaker 2: that part of my district really where it made the

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Speaker 2: difference for me and certainly above us in the ballot.

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Speaker 1: So you operate that there are swing voters.

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Speaker 2: There are there are.

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Speaker 1: Not everybody agrees that there are, right, that there's two.

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Speaker 1: I always say there are two types of swing voters.

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Speaker 1: I do think there are voters that facillate between party strategically,

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Speaker 1: but far more often, the most common swing voter is

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Speaker 1: somebody that swings between voting and voting.

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Speaker 2: So I think both things are true, and I don't

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Speaker 2: want to overstay that. It's just, hey, you can convince

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Speaker 2: someone to vote Republican for president Democrat for the US House.

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Speaker 2: It's the other thing to believe. I mean, we have

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Speaker 2: work to do on turnout and frankly, rebuilding some of

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Speaker 2: the trust with younger voters. I mean, I'm forty one,

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Speaker 2: makes me an older millennial, right, so I guess I

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Speaker 2: can't call myself a young voter anymore. We'll see, but

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Speaker 2: I do think there are folks who will split ticket.

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Speaker 2: I saw it in my election. I saw it with

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Speaker 2: the vote drop off from presidential right Harris Trump, Casey

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Speaker 2: McCormick down to my race. I mean, they exist, and

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Speaker 2: you got to get you got to know your district.

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Speaker 2: You gotta have candidates who know their districts. I come

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Speaker 2: back to I think the economic fight, not the expense

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Speaker 2: of anything else, but fighting on the economic front principally

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Speaker 2: is a good way to earn those votes. And you

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Speaker 2: don't have to be a whip about it. You don't

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Speaker 2: have to be backtracking on anything else. I think it's

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Speaker 2: the part of the path for Democrats to win more

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Speaker 2: consistently in places like western Pennsylvania.

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Speaker 1: Look, it's an eighty percent. Nobody likes concentrations of power, right,

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Speaker 1: that's an eighty percent. You know, people, you know recoil

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Speaker 1: from too much power, too much concentration of power, government, corporations, whatever.

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Speaker 1: So if you're talking about the economy in those terms,

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Speaker 1: it does strike me that you can have a conversation.

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Speaker 1: How much does the D next to your name make

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Speaker 1: it harder? I had a couple of independent candidates now

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Speaker 1: they're running an Idaho in South Dakota. This is not

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Speaker 1: western Pennsylvania, Okay, but they they they said not having

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Speaker 1: the D next and then their name actually was an

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Speaker 1: impediment to having the conversation with some voters about the economy.

860
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Speaker 1: Moving to an eye next to their name at least

861
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Speaker 1: opened the door to a conversation.

862
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Speaker 2: Doublass, I mean, I'll tell you at least and from

863
00:50:51,000 --> 00:50:54,080
Speaker 2: my part of the world. And again, like it's different everywhere, right,

864
00:50:54,120 --> 00:50:56,000
Speaker 2: you know, some of the folks in some of those

865
00:50:56,040 --> 00:50:59,640
Speaker 2: factory towns maybe for generations we're Democrats and they've left

866
00:50:59,800 --> 00:51:02,719
Speaker 2: my party, right, And so I'm trying to rebuild some

867
00:51:02,760 --> 00:51:06,560
Speaker 2: trust and reconnect with those new deal routes. For why

868
00:51:06,800 --> 00:51:09,319
Speaker 2: for three four generations your family might have been a

869
00:51:09,400 --> 00:51:12,680
Speaker 2: Union household, you may have been voting Democrat at the

870
00:51:12,719 --> 00:51:16,640
Speaker 2: same time picking up and earning new two votes. And say,

871
00:51:16,680 --> 00:51:19,359
Speaker 2: the more suburban parts of a district like mine right

872
00:51:19,400 --> 00:51:24,480
Speaker 2: where folks aren't as longer as long term Democrats who

873
00:51:24,560 --> 00:51:27,320
Speaker 2: are coming in to the party, those things can be attention.

874
00:51:27,440 --> 00:51:29,439
Speaker 2: But if we can't find a way to do both

875
00:51:29,440 --> 00:51:30,799
Speaker 2: of those things, we're not going to win. Nor can

876
00:51:30,800 --> 00:51:34,320
Speaker 2: the Republicans. By the way, that's the reality of political

877
00:51:34,360 --> 00:51:37,120
Speaker 2: train here. And you know, I think for my party's

878
00:51:37,200 --> 00:51:40,080
Speaker 2: brand to be seen number one is tougher, right, And

879
00:51:40,120 --> 00:51:43,000
Speaker 2: it's not just about what's happening in Washington and being

880
00:51:43,040 --> 00:51:45,440
Speaker 2: tough with Trump and his administration, as we should be,

881
00:51:45,800 --> 00:51:49,359
Speaker 2: but tougher on the economic fight, which every survey I see,

882
00:51:49,400 --> 00:51:53,319
Speaker 2: every conversation I have, it comes up. Folks are mad

883
00:51:53,320 --> 00:51:55,160
Speaker 2: about the cost of living. I think for a party

884
00:51:55,440 --> 00:51:58,279
Speaker 2: to be seen tougher there would help some of those

885
00:51:58,280 --> 00:52:00,919
Speaker 2: folks you're talking about, say in Idaho, where they don't

886
00:52:00,960 --> 00:52:03,960
Speaker 2: have some deep Democratic loyalty to build on, to try

887
00:52:04,000 --> 00:52:05,680
Speaker 2: to restore some cross I think it helps with those

888
00:52:05,680 --> 00:52:06,120
Speaker 2: guys too.

889
00:52:07,680 --> 00:52:10,200
Speaker 1: You've spent time in the Navy, and you're a lawyer,

890
00:52:12,239 --> 00:52:15,560
Speaker 1: you went to Georgetown Law School. Why'd you decide on

891
00:52:15,600 --> 00:52:16,240
Speaker 1: public service?

892
00:52:17,520 --> 00:52:19,600
Speaker 2: So I was a senior in high school. Nine to

893
00:52:19,640 --> 00:52:23,120
Speaker 2: eleven happens, and I was pursuing the Naval Academy. I

894
00:52:23,120 --> 00:52:25,600
Speaker 2: mean that day sealed it that if I got in,

895
00:52:25,680 --> 00:52:29,359
Speaker 2: I go. And I got in pretty shortly thereafter, and

896
00:52:29,400 --> 00:52:33,960
Speaker 2: I went. And it's a tough place, it's a special place.

897
00:52:35,000 --> 00:52:38,000
Speaker 2: I really internalized, you know, the mission of what we

898
00:52:38,160 --> 00:52:40,520
Speaker 2: signed up to do there, which is a lifetime of service,

899
00:52:40,800 --> 00:52:45,160
Speaker 2: whether that's in uniform or public service. We talk about

900
00:52:45,239 --> 00:52:48,239
Speaker 2: citizenship even and so I just believe it deeply. That's

901
00:52:48,239 --> 00:52:50,440
Speaker 2: who I am. It's the part of the world I'm from.

902
00:52:51,080 --> 00:52:53,799
Speaker 2: You drive down most of the streets in western Pennsylvania,

903
00:52:53,800 --> 00:52:57,080
Speaker 2: main streets, you see banners honoring veterans in a lot

904
00:52:57,080 --> 00:53:01,319
Speaker 2: of communities you walk into nearly anyhow in my part

905
00:53:01,360 --> 00:53:04,000
Speaker 2: of the world, someone's got a picture of somebody in uniform,

906
00:53:04,040 --> 00:53:07,200
Speaker 2: like we value that, and that's it. That's the shorthandswer

907
00:53:07,280 --> 00:53:09,480
Speaker 2: for why I'm trying to do something in public service.

908
00:53:10,120 --> 00:53:12,759
Speaker 2: Why I think this is a noble pursuit. And that's

909
00:53:12,800 --> 00:53:16,319
Speaker 2: even before I get into the stress the country is under.

910
00:53:16,400 --> 00:53:18,560
Speaker 2: What I think Donald Trump and his movement is doing.

911
00:53:18,640 --> 00:53:22,000
Speaker 2: It's real, it's profound, and I think, if not now

912
00:53:22,160 --> 00:53:23,960
Speaker 2: to try to step up and do something about it

913
00:53:24,680 --> 00:53:26,960
Speaker 2: when it feels like this is the moment to try

914
00:53:26,960 --> 00:53:28,840
Speaker 2: to serve and that's that's what I'm trying to do

915
00:53:28,880 --> 00:53:29,160
Speaker 2: in this.

916
00:53:30,280 --> 00:53:34,560
Speaker 1: So it is it's quite a moment, right, It's a

917
00:53:34,880 --> 00:53:41,319
Speaker 1: there are times that I know I feel powerless, but

918
00:53:41,400 --> 00:53:43,640
Speaker 1: I'm not an elective office. But you're in the minority,

919
00:53:43,680 --> 00:53:47,400
Speaker 1: which sometimes means you're also can be more powerless than

920
00:53:47,400 --> 00:53:52,520
Speaker 1: you'd like to be. It is, you know, every week

921
00:53:52,560 --> 00:53:54,959
Speaker 1: I can put together a list of stories that says, boy,

922
00:53:55,040 --> 00:53:59,839
Speaker 1: this feels this feels like we're a we are we

923
00:54:00,760 --> 00:54:02,759
Speaker 1: did we really just take the wrong fork in the road?

924
00:54:02,920 --> 00:54:05,160
Speaker 1: How the hell are we going to get back? And

925
00:54:05,200 --> 00:54:09,560
Speaker 1: then it like and then we go even further? Right,

926
00:54:12,480 --> 00:54:14,400
Speaker 1: how do you answer that question? What's the state of

927
00:54:14,400 --> 00:54:16,600
Speaker 1: the democracy and how concerned should we be?

928
00:54:17,719 --> 00:54:21,680
Speaker 2: I am concerned. I think it's healthy and normal insane

929
00:54:21,760 --> 00:54:24,879
Speaker 2: to look around and say something's not right, and it's

930
00:54:24,880 --> 00:54:28,280
Speaker 2: not just the political violence, which of course is a problem,

931
00:54:28,360 --> 00:54:31,040
Speaker 2: and I think a symptom of a deeper wound to

932
00:54:31,040 --> 00:54:33,160
Speaker 2: be American psyche that we got to fix. And I

933
00:54:33,560 --> 00:54:37,040
Speaker 2: think about now, I can criticize Donald Trump, and I will. Right,

934
00:54:37,080 --> 00:54:42,919
Speaker 2: He's identified that wound, and he offers to me snake oil, right, division, autocracy,

935
00:54:44,960 --> 00:54:48,880
Speaker 2: threats to the rule of law. Okay, let's criticize that.

936
00:54:49,000 --> 00:54:50,960
Speaker 2: But then what do we have to offer that's different?

937
00:54:51,000 --> 00:54:53,040
Speaker 1: But he does identify the problems.

938
00:54:52,960 --> 00:54:54,920
Speaker 2: And I think we have to start with that. That's right.

939
00:54:55,400 --> 00:54:57,920
Speaker 1: Like this is where I think sometimes you know that

940
00:54:58,080 --> 00:55:02,480
Speaker 1: there are some Just because Trump has identified a problem correctly,

941
00:55:03,400 --> 00:55:06,600
Speaker 1: doesn't you know, doesn't mean it's not a problem. Right,

942
00:55:06,680 --> 00:55:09,440
Speaker 1: just because Trump says it's a problem, you shouldn't ignore it.

943
00:55:10,120 --> 00:55:14,040
Speaker 1: And I've always said that. I think the voters when

944
00:55:14,120 --> 00:55:18,120
Speaker 1: they sour on Trump, they don't sour on the problems

945
00:55:18,120 --> 00:55:20,360
Speaker 1: he's identified. They sour on his solutions.

946
00:55:21,320 --> 00:55:23,799
Speaker 2: So I'm forty one, and let's we can look at

947
00:55:23,800 --> 00:55:25,960
Speaker 2: this data pretty quickly. If you're my age, you're younger,

948
00:55:26,440 --> 00:55:28,960
Speaker 2: you're now the first Americans since at least the Second

949
00:55:28,960 --> 00:55:31,320
Speaker 2: World War who don't expect me better off than your parents.

950
00:55:31,840 --> 00:55:35,840
Speaker 2: That is a failure of our government across parties, across decades.

951
00:55:35,960 --> 00:55:39,239
Speaker 2: That's multiple presidents, and think of that, and you should

952
00:55:39,280 --> 00:55:42,000
Speaker 2: be mad about that. I'm mad about that. If you're

953
00:55:42,040 --> 00:55:44,360
Speaker 2: younger than me, you're even angrier about it because the

954
00:55:44,440 --> 00:55:49,640
Speaker 2: prospects look worse and so we have to confront that.

955
00:55:49,640 --> 00:55:53,240
Speaker 2: That goes to the fundamental trust or distrust in our government.

956
00:55:53,680 --> 00:55:53,759
Speaker 1: Right.

957
00:55:53,840 --> 00:55:55,680
Speaker 2: If you're going to work hard and follow the rules

958
00:55:56,000 --> 00:55:58,239
Speaker 2: and you still can't afford your life, you are mad

959
00:55:58,560 --> 00:56:00,439
Speaker 2: and maybe you don't trust the way our government work.

960
00:56:00,520 --> 00:56:05,080
Speaker 2: So to me, I think battling corruption, rebuilding trust, putting

961
00:56:05,160 --> 00:56:07,720
Speaker 2: muscle back in the American dream, those things are all linked.

962
00:56:08,280 --> 00:56:11,080
Speaker 2: It's part of why the anti corruption fight matters so

963
00:56:11,160 --> 00:56:13,520
Speaker 2: much to me. It's part of why this vision of

964
00:56:13,520 --> 00:56:17,400
Speaker 2: economic patriotism mine others are talking about matters. It's putting

965
00:56:18,400 --> 00:56:21,359
Speaker 2: muscle and something real back in the American dream because

966
00:56:21,400 --> 00:56:24,759
Speaker 2: if if we're going to just pay lip service to

967
00:56:24,840 --> 00:56:28,640
Speaker 2: try and to restore trust without fixing the problem underlying

968
00:56:28,680 --> 00:56:31,000
Speaker 2: our system, it's not going to work. In my book,

969
00:56:32,640 --> 00:56:35,479
Speaker 2: how do you feel about the redistricting wars? I say

970
00:56:35,480 --> 00:56:39,880
Speaker 2: this because look, you're because your state's not going to

971
00:56:39,920 --> 00:56:43,239
Speaker 2: do it. There's a variety of reasons for that. There's

972
00:56:43,280 --> 00:56:45,040
Speaker 2: just I think the legislature's too split.

973
00:56:45,160 --> 00:56:49,600
Speaker 1: There's even if you wanted to, you couldn't. I know

974
00:56:49,719 --> 00:56:52,520
Speaker 1: that a lot of your colleagues in Congress don't like

975
00:56:52,800 --> 00:56:58,480
Speaker 1: what's happening, including Texas Republicans in California Democrats, but that

976
00:56:58,560 --> 00:57:00,879
Speaker 1: they feel like pawns in a large your fight, because

977
00:57:00,920 --> 00:57:04,040
Speaker 1: guess what your pawns in a larger fight, you know.

978
00:57:06,840 --> 00:57:09,080
Speaker 1: But I look at how the Democrats are fighting this,

979
00:57:09,560 --> 00:57:13,640
Speaker 1: and simultaneously you've got Pete bootagees going to Indiana saying

980
00:57:13,640 --> 00:57:17,320
Speaker 1: please don't do this, and then you've got Democrats raising

981
00:57:17,360 --> 00:57:21,680
Speaker 1: money so that Gavin Newsom can win a proposition which,

982
00:57:21,880 --> 00:57:25,320
Speaker 1: like I, at least you get the voters get. You're

983
00:57:25,360 --> 00:57:27,520
Speaker 1: including the voters in the say so here because they

984
00:57:27,560 --> 00:57:31,000
Speaker 1: have to. But that feels like such a mixed message

985
00:57:31,040 --> 00:57:35,760
Speaker 1: that I you know, it is really hard to get

986
00:57:35,800 --> 00:57:40,480
Speaker 1: my arms around. If you're upset about disenfranchising voters in Texas,

987
00:57:40,920 --> 00:57:44,680
Speaker 1: how is the answered disenfranchising voters in other states? Yeah,

988
00:57:45,000 --> 00:57:47,840
Speaker 1: let's start with here's what I would like to see.

989
00:57:47,880 --> 00:57:51,360
Speaker 2: Which we just have a federal ban on partisan jerry mandering,

990
00:57:51,360 --> 00:57:53,920
Speaker 2: and we have federal standard for fair maps. That was

991
00:57:53,960 --> 00:57:56,880
Speaker 2: in what was I don't know, for the People Act

992
00:57:56,920 --> 00:57:58,840
Speaker 2: or HR one, but before I got to the Congress,

993
00:57:59,160 --> 00:58:00,000
Speaker 2: some of that was in there.

994
00:57:59,840 --> 00:58:02,160
Speaker 1: There's also a lot of partisan stuff which crede it

995
00:58:02,280 --> 00:58:06,200
Speaker 1: less of a serious bill unfortunately. I mean, look, I'm

996
00:58:06,240 --> 00:58:08,400
Speaker 1: for somebody that says, you have messaging bills, and you

997
00:58:08,440 --> 00:58:10,120
Speaker 1: have bills you want to get passed. That was a

998
00:58:10,120 --> 00:58:12,480
Speaker 1: bill for messaging that necessarily did let's.

999
00:58:12,360 --> 00:58:15,040
Speaker 2: Do a federal anti Jerriman green thing and just take

1000
00:58:15,040 --> 00:58:18,800
Speaker 2: this off. It's out of the playbook for either party.

1001
00:58:19,080 --> 00:58:22,480
Speaker 2: While it's not a standard until that happens. I'm not

1002
00:58:22,520 --> 00:58:25,360
Speaker 2: interested in Democrats fighting with like a West spaghetti noodle

1003
00:58:25,360 --> 00:58:28,280
Speaker 2: while the Republicans are carrying a maszooka like this is

1004
00:58:28,360 --> 00:58:31,560
Speaker 2: control of Congress and how they write a map and

1005
00:58:31,600 --> 00:58:37,080
Speaker 2: say Indiana and Texas affects what happens to my constituents.

1006
00:58:37,080 --> 00:58:39,480
Speaker 2: The same reason why I've been endorsing some folks in

1007
00:58:39,520 --> 00:58:42,760
Speaker 2: competitive districts in Pennsylvania because those members of Congress are

1008
00:58:42,760 --> 00:58:46,080
Speaker 2: taking votes that are my constituents. So I don't want

1009
00:58:46,480 --> 00:58:51,280
Speaker 2: Democrats to be fighting limply while Republicans are taking seats

1010
00:58:51,360 --> 00:58:53,640
Speaker 2: all over the country, and I would start and end

1011
00:58:53,720 --> 00:58:56,560
Speaker 2: with let's just get rid of this as a tool

1012
00:58:56,600 --> 00:58:58,800
Speaker 2: for either party and just have a federal standard. I

1013
00:58:59,120 --> 00:59:02,120
Speaker 2: think that's where the has to go. And I think, look,

1014
00:59:02,120 --> 00:59:04,560
Speaker 2: I'm suck. I also think this goes to that distrust

1015
00:59:04,560 --> 00:59:07,120
Speaker 2: and government problem when politicians are right in their own maps,

1016
00:59:07,560 --> 00:59:10,240
Speaker 2: when they're picking their districts, when they're carving little communities

1017
00:59:10,680 --> 00:59:13,280
Speaker 2: and all the matters. As a competitive primary, I don't

1018
00:59:13,280 --> 00:59:14,680
Speaker 2: think you get great representation.

1019
00:59:14,840 --> 00:59:18,919
Speaker 1: But you understand that. Look, you understand the issue of

1020
00:59:18,920 --> 00:59:22,200
Speaker 1: of when when you sort of compromise your principle for

1021
00:59:23,560 --> 00:59:28,160
Speaker 1: you know, and again like I get it right, I

1022
00:59:28,240 --> 00:59:34,000
Speaker 1: understand the rationale and I get all of that. It

1023
00:59:34,200 --> 00:59:36,560
Speaker 1: just doesn't feel like a long term way to win

1024
00:59:36,840 --> 00:59:41,919
Speaker 1: trust back. That's and that's what makes it so such

1025
00:59:41,960 --> 00:59:46,160
Speaker 1: a flawed way to fight back because I also think

1026
00:59:47,520 --> 00:59:52,200
Speaker 1: I think that what Texas did is not as is

1027
00:59:52,200 --> 00:59:54,040
Speaker 1: not going to be as effective as they think it is. Right,

1028
00:59:54,120 --> 00:59:58,800
Speaker 1: you know, the unintended consequences always bite you on this stuff.

1029
00:59:58,920 --> 01:00:02,280
Speaker 1: And that's that's why I'm thinking the fight quote unquote,

1030
01:00:02,320 --> 01:00:05,000
Speaker 1: fighting fighting fire with fire is like, you know, be

1031
01:00:05,080 --> 01:00:08,520
Speaker 1: careful out there. You don't know what you've opened up.

1032
01:00:09,040 --> 01:00:11,680
Speaker 2: No, And look, when you draw these things with aggressive

1033
01:00:11,720 --> 01:00:13,680
Speaker 2: Jerry managers, I think you're alluding to this fact. You

1034
01:00:13,720 --> 01:00:17,080
Speaker 2: make some of those seats potentially gettable, especially if it's

1035
01:00:17,080 --> 01:00:20,280
Speaker 2: a big way of election the other direction, right, And

1036
01:00:20,320 --> 01:00:22,920
Speaker 2: so that's a part of this. That's a risk they're

1037
01:00:22,920 --> 01:00:25,360
Speaker 2: gonna have to take on because I hope and expect

1038
01:00:25,440 --> 01:00:27,320
Speaker 2: we might have a good year next year, and that

1039
01:00:27,360 --> 01:00:28,640
Speaker 2: could go very different waves.

1040
01:00:29,080 --> 01:00:34,840
Speaker 1: So, speaking of ways to do confrontation with Trump, there's

1041
01:00:36,440 --> 01:00:40,600
Speaker 1: we consider in debates shutdown, no shutdown. I sort of understand, Hey,

1042
01:00:40,600 --> 01:00:43,840
Speaker 1: when you've got leverage, use it, right, That's sort of

1043
01:00:43,840 --> 01:00:47,240
Speaker 1: part of the process. That's what politics is about. It

1044
01:00:47,280 --> 01:00:49,280
Speaker 1: does feel like the timing now is when do you

1045
01:00:49,440 --> 01:00:53,040
Speaker 1: use it? Right? Is this six week cr the hill

1046
01:00:53,120 --> 01:00:55,400
Speaker 1: to die on? Or do you let this one go

1047
01:00:55,560 --> 01:00:58,160
Speaker 1: and you fight the fight in November. Where's your mindset

1048
01:00:58,160 --> 01:00:58,360
Speaker 1: on this?

1049
01:00:58,920 --> 01:01:01,520
Speaker 2: Well, number one, nobody wants a shutdown. Let's just start

1050
01:01:01,560 --> 01:01:04,720
Speaker 2: with that. And you know, much like the last funding fight,

1051
01:01:05,240 --> 01:01:08,160
Speaker 2: my counterparts in the Senate have much more leverage than

1052
01:01:08,200 --> 01:01:09,800
Speaker 2: we do in the House, and they should use it,

1053
01:01:10,240 --> 01:01:12,160
Speaker 2: and they use it to protect American people as use

1054
01:01:12,200 --> 01:01:13,840
Speaker 2: it for good theyould use it to fund the government

1055
01:01:13,880 --> 01:01:16,600
Speaker 2: responsibly if they have a filibuster. We don't have that

1056
01:01:16,640 --> 01:01:20,280
Speaker 2: in the House. And I've long felt like the Republicans

1057
01:01:20,320 --> 01:01:23,600
Speaker 2: have full control of our government, you know, this House, Senate,

1058
01:01:24,120 --> 01:01:27,920
Speaker 2: White House. If they want our votes, they should do

1059
01:01:28,000 --> 01:01:29,600
Speaker 2: something to work with us. But I don't have to

1060
01:01:29,640 --> 01:01:34,000
Speaker 2: go along with saying yes to rescinding funding. I don't

1061
01:01:34,080 --> 01:01:36,640
Speaker 2: just stick go along with saying yes to using the

1062
01:01:36,680 --> 01:01:39,280
Speaker 2: bully pulper the White House to suppress speech and to

1063
01:01:39,360 --> 01:01:42,840
Speaker 2: shut down critical voices in the media. I don't do

1064
01:01:42,880 --> 01:01:45,160
Speaker 2: any of those things. And so I think there's a

1065
01:01:45,160 --> 01:01:48,760
Speaker 2: path here. They can decide to work with Democrats responsibly,

1066
01:01:49,240 --> 01:01:50,480
Speaker 2: or they can do it on their own because they

1067
01:01:50,480 --> 01:01:52,560
Speaker 2: have enough power to do it. And if they shut

1068
01:01:52,560 --> 01:01:54,280
Speaker 2: the government down, it falls on them. It's not going

1069
01:01:54,320 --> 01:01:57,360
Speaker 2: to fall on the House minority Democrats who aren't saying

1070
01:01:57,400 --> 01:01:58,760
Speaker 2: yes with a crazy spending plan.

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Speaker 1: I get that. I mean, I just guess just tactically.

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Speaker 1: And again, I know I'm a little weeds this year,

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Speaker 1: but it's like I might let the six weeks see

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Speaker 1: r happen clean. Hey, you want six more weeks to talk, Fine,

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Speaker 1: We'll give you six more weeks to negotiate, but you're

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Speaker 1: not getting another extension, like you know it. I go

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Speaker 1: there because I see the shoes literally been on the

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Speaker 1: other foot on that. Hey, we need six more weeks

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Speaker 1: to negotiate. Can we buy that while we get through this.

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Speaker 1: It's one of those where you're like, you know, That's

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Speaker 1: what I mean is do you die? You know you

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Speaker 1: got to pick I get the battles going to happen.

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Speaker 1: The question is when do you want the battle to happen.

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Speaker 2: Well, look, if there's any real effort to work with

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Speaker 2: us to have some kind of negotiation, great, let's do that.

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Speaker 2: I haven't seen any of that. And so I think

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Speaker 2: to your point, if it's about buying time to work

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Speaker 2: something out, responsible, okay, I think you actually have support

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Speaker 2: for it. I haven't seen any of that yet. I mean,

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Speaker 2: maybe what I heard today is there some interest from

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Speaker 2: the White House a meeting with Leader Jeffreyes and Schumer.

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Speaker 2: You know, it's now a week out from the end

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Speaker 2: of the fiscal year.

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Speaker 1: One of the Democratic senator from Pennsylvania has already indicated

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Speaker 1: he's going to vote to keep the government open pretty

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Speaker 1: much no matter what. And you know betterman, it's been interesting.

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Speaker 1: I interviewed him for my uh about I guess it's

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Speaker 1: been about five or six months now, and his mindset was, Look,

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Speaker 1: we've got one north star, it's the seven Swing states.

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Speaker 1: Whatever it takes to get a majority in the seven

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Speaker 1: swing state ought to be the focus of the party. See.

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Speaker 1: I get that, that's an interesting north star. That's what

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Speaker 1: you'd want the head of the party to say. He's

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Speaker 1: been in uh shifted on that. What do you make

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Speaker 1: of it? And do you uh where are you with

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Speaker 1: his He doesn't want to shut down the government mindset?

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Speaker 2: Yep, me neither, and yet I wouldn't vote for a

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Speaker 2: shutdown bill that repealed the Civil Rights Act or you know,

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Speaker 2: made national right to work or some national abortion like.

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Speaker 2: Of course not. We can do a basic level of

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Speaker 2: analysis and have some basic values that we're not going

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Speaker 2: to compromise, and so I don't think it's that complicated.

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Speaker 2: We can say and support funding the government and also

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Speaker 2: say there are lines I'm not going to cross. May

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Speaker 2: we balance those and put those in different places? I

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Speaker 2: guess we do. But I don't really get the argument

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Speaker 2: that there is no circumstances ever where I wouldn't vote

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Speaker 2: against a very partisan bad spending bill from the Republicans.

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Speaker 1: You were on the ballot with Fetterman in twenty two,

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Speaker 1: did you believe he was to your left or to

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Speaker 1: your right?

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Speaker 2: You know, it's funny. I don't really think about him

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Speaker 2: or maybe even Josh Shapiro, right, like our Pennsylvania Democrats

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Speaker 2: in that way. I don't think we're so obviously in

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Speaker 2: a certain orientation in the part, and certainly now things

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Speaker 2: are different. But like I think there has been a

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Speaker 2: scrambling of the old centrist, progressive, whatever lanes of the

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Speaker 2: Democratic Party. I think there's a very different orientation now

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Speaker 2: about your willingness to be a fighter. I don't just

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Speaker 2: mean about Trump. I mean on this economic fight against

1131
01:05:19,360 --> 01:05:22,960
Speaker 2: say it's monopoly power against corruption. I think it's we're

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Speaker 2: reorienting in that way. I like it because I see

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Speaker 2: colleagues of mine who might wear different labels, who are

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Speaker 2: all in with me on a fight against say, corrupt

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Speaker 2: congressional stock trading, or who are with me about fighting

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Speaker 2: against monopolies. I mean, I did this monopoly Buster's Caucus

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Speaker 2: with colleagues like Pat Ryan Primilagiapaul Maggie Goodlander. Right, It's

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Speaker 2: an interesting re scrambling of those old labels, you know, different.

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Speaker 1: Interesting like you know, during the twenty twenty two primary,

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Speaker 1: Connor Lamb was the supposed centrist in John Fetterman was

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Speaker 1: the supposed progressive. Right now, is that is that how

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Speaker 1: that primary would look today?

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Speaker 2: It's a great question. I don't know, you know, and

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Speaker 2: I think either and much of our conversation up to

1145
01:06:08,520 --> 01:06:11,280
Speaker 2: this point has been about the style of what a

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Speaker 2: Democrat in Washington is in the opposition in the minority,

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Speaker 2: and so it's a very different posture of going back

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Speaker 2: to twenty two when I first ran Democrats on the

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Speaker 2: White House and we're still riding in the House with

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Speaker 2: some control, and so it's a very different posture. And

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Speaker 2: again I don't think the current if there are phisures,

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Speaker 2: it's not so much about progressive lane, centrist, lane, moderate

1153
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Speaker 2: and whatever. I think it's now much more about what

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Speaker 2: weather you're fighting and on what grounds you're fighting more

1155
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Speaker 2: than it is are you going to support this, that

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Speaker 2: or the other piece of legislation and what kind of

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Speaker 2: label democrats that make you.

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Speaker 1: No, it's an interesting thesis. I don't disagree with it

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Speaker 1: that there is sort of a little bit more This

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01:06:53,120 --> 01:06:56,320
Speaker 1: is no longer about size of government issues and government

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Speaker 1: spending issues that it really is more of how should

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Speaker 1: the power of government be used?

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Speaker 2: Well, yeah, I agree, and I think, look, you have

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Speaker 2: Donald Trump trying to take what has become a very

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Speaker 2: powerful imperial presidency and put it on steroids, and a

1166
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Speaker 2: question of what the heck do you do to stop

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Speaker 2: that and to protect the constitution, to assert the Congress's rule,

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Speaker 2: to assert the Court's rule. I don't think that lends

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Speaker 2: itself to a progressive, liberal, moderate centrist, whatever kind of lends.

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Speaker 2: It's a question of how do you be effective in

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Speaker 2: shoring up our constitution.

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Speaker 1: I had a friend of mine who might have called

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Speaker 1: himself a progressive, say three or four years ago, who said,

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Speaker 1: I want my own Donald Trump. And I said, what

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Speaker 1: do you mean? I want somebody in there with strength, right?

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Speaker 1: Getting it to this strong versus weak argument, who's willing

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Speaker 1: to use, to accumulate and use power? And I get it.

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Speaker 1: But there's this fine line, right, there's no doubt Donald

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Speaker 1: Trump does not believe in small government. He believes in

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Speaker 1: strong government. Strong government. Through his lens, it tells me

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Speaker 1: we are likely to have a political I'm a believer

1182
01:08:12,800 --> 01:08:16,960
Speaker 1: in political physics an equal and opposite reaction. So we're

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Speaker 1: probably going to have somebody from the other side of

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Speaker 1: the ideological spectrum also pursue a more robust use of government.

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Speaker 1: Can you do it without it coming across as borderline authoritarian?

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Speaker 2: Well Number one, I sure hope that's the case. And look,

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Speaker 2: I think there will be different political party in power

1188
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Speaker 2: in Washington. There will be a democratic provitable right, will

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Speaker 2: be a democratic confress. And I think whomever that president

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Speaker 2: is should use their power to shore up the government,

1191
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Speaker 2: to shore up trust in government. I talked about the

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Speaker 2: economic fight, why that undercuts trust. They also should be

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Speaker 2: clear about where there's been over stepping and overreach, where

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Speaker 2: this president or any other has been able to expose

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Speaker 2: the weak spots and our system to just relying on

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Speaker 2: norms or just relying on behavior.

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Speaker 1: Well, our law enforcement agencies, like I look at the

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Speaker 1: FBI and the Department of Justice right now, and they

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Speaker 1: couldn't be totally untrustworthy. But I'm not going to sit

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Speaker 1: here and say you automatically restore trust by simply electing

1201
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Speaker 1: the other party. How do you build in a safeguard

1202
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Speaker 1: so that the next Trump is enable to weaponize the

1203
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Speaker 1: Justice Department, Right, what do you do do do we

1204
01:09:40,080 --> 01:09:43,000
Speaker 1: change the status like there's a you know, does the

1205
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Speaker 1: Justice Department get treated more like the Federal Reserve, although

1206
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Speaker 1: we're about to find out whether the Federal Reserve has

1207
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Speaker 1: any independence left. But in theory, right, the Federal Reserve

1208
01:09:51,200 --> 01:09:55,360
Speaker 1: a little bit different as far as it's supposedly the

1209
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Speaker 1: Supreme Court has claimed it will be treating it differently,

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Speaker 1: more independent than as part of the executive brand. Is

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01:10:00,960 --> 01:10:02,640
Speaker 1: that the model of our love that we ought to

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Speaker 1: be taking with law enforcement, considering once you lose trust

1213
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Speaker 1: in that, you've lost the democracy.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and frankly, not just I think you identify and

1215
01:10:12,960 --> 01:10:15,800
Speaker 2: diagnose a real problem, but it also is about well,

1216
01:10:15,840 --> 01:10:19,080
Speaker 2: the person who sits atop that law enforcement system, are

1217
01:10:19,080 --> 01:10:22,120
Speaker 2: they willing to call for prosecution of their enemies to

1218
01:10:22,280 --> 01:10:25,479
Speaker 2: rip up those norms? And so we can't. My point

1219
01:10:25,560 --> 01:10:28,280
Speaker 2: is we can't be at the whim of what's in

1220
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Speaker 2: the heart of mever happens to be the president, And

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Speaker 2: that to me is about structural change. We got to

1222
01:10:33,120 --> 01:10:35,519
Speaker 2: have reform so that whether you've got a good or

1223
01:10:35,520 --> 01:10:39,439
Speaker 2: bad guy or gal at the White House, it doesn't matter.

1224
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Speaker 2: They don't have the tools to abuse something as base

1225
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Speaker 2: against Look.

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Speaker 1: At this, Look at this story that circulated over the

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Speaker 1: weekend about Tom Homan and Cash right, this was an

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Speaker 1: investigation taking place during Christopher Ray's FBI and now it's

1229
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Speaker 1: Cash Betel's FBI and they just shut it down. They don't.

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Speaker 1: By the way, what's amazing about this story is they

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Speaker 1: don't deny it happened. It is. There's no denial of

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Speaker 1: the facts of the story. There's just simply well, we're

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Speaker 1: not going to prosecute. There's nothing to prosecute. And by

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Speaker 1: the way, in fairness, bribery cases are a high bar.

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Speaker 1: They you know, if you can't find the quit, the

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Speaker 1: you know, the quot and the quid pro quo, it

1237
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Speaker 1: is always it is certainly difficult. I assume the I

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Speaker 1: R s will have a little something to say about

1239
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Speaker 1: mister Homan's extra income from from from the COVID takeout.

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Speaker 1: But when you look at a story like that and

1241
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Speaker 1: you realize Christopher Ray managed the FBI one way in

1242
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Speaker 1: Cash Pattel, who put out a statement, a joint statement

1243
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Speaker 1: with the president's former personal attorney, who somehow got confirmed

1244
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Speaker 1: to be a deputy Attorney general. I mean it's it's

1245
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Speaker 1: laughable if it wasn't so serious. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Well, and to me again, I think it's a symptom

1247
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Speaker 2: of we now have a person who is willing to

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Speaker 2: look around and say, Wow, I have all this power,

1249
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Speaker 2: I can abuse it and there aren't formal guardrails in

1250
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Speaker 2: place to stop it. So to me, that just goes

1251
01:12:07,439 --> 01:12:10,920
Speaker 2: to we have to have better structure, better form. There's

1252
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Speaker 2: not some single silver bullet I can explain to you

1253
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Speaker 2: on this podcast to how we do that. But to me,

1254
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Speaker 2: we can't just hope there's a better or different person.

1255
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Speaker 2: You've got to put real limits on their power in place,

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Speaker 2: no matter which party has the White House in the future.

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Speaker 1: Let's talk about an entity that you have some familiarity with,

1258
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Speaker 1: being somebody who's served in the Navy. It feels like

1259
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Speaker 1: there's an attempt to politicize the military right now in

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Speaker 1: ways that we've never seen go into it. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I think about I've already heard you know. I think

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Speaker 1: there are parts of this that don't get enough reporting,

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Speaker 1: including what's happening at war colleges, what's happening to academia

1264
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Speaker 1: at the Naval Academy at West Point. But tell me

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Speaker 1: what you understand is happening.

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Speaker 2: There is a real attempt here, and I think one

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Speaker 2: of the opening salvos of that you mentioned the Naval

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Speaker 2: Academy where I'm a graduate. I'm on the board there now,

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Speaker 2: and there was an attempt to.

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Speaker 1: Still on the board.

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Speaker 2: They will to gut you out. There's a congressional slate

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Speaker 2: and there are a presidential appointees. So there are Democrats

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Speaker 2: from the congressional slate on the board that.

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Speaker 1: That Trump couldn't just and ex seth can't remove you either, oh, correct, correct, And.

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Speaker 2: So there was an attempt to take books out of

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Speaker 2: the library. You know, this is a look, it's a

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Speaker 2: proving ground and a training place for future Navy Marine

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Speaker 2: Corps officers. It's also an academic institution. There are faculty

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Speaker 2: who do research. And so that's just one little piece

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Speaker 2: of a bigger problem. I saw the President at the

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Speaker 2: West Point Commissioning wearing a Maga hat. He was in

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Speaker 2: front of the troops down in North Carolina. There was

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Speaker 2: merch being sold. Design understand a campaign merch talking about

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Speaker 2: his political rivals in front of the troops. Just stuff

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Speaker 2: that would seem beyond the pale, and yet it's happening.

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Speaker 2: All against the backdrop of these efforts to politicize the

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Speaker 2: curriculum at West Point Annapolis Air Force Academy, to make

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Speaker 2: changes to the senior flag and general officers seemingly around

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Speaker 2: their political views. And that's just a part of it.

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Speaker 2: And so I think it's a problem. I think it's

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Speaker 2: a big problem. And I come from again, I was

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Speaker 2: an officer, a commissioned on the Naval Academy. The culture

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Speaker 2: we learned was a political You don't ever give any

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Speaker 2: appearance of that kind of bias and uniform because you

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Speaker 2: serve the civilian leadership, whichever party that might be right

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Speaker 2: the Secretary up through the president. And I think this

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Speaker 2: effort to inject political and partisan loyalty, it's dangerous to me,

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Speaker 2: just again goes to eroding trust in the military as

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Speaker 2: an institution that's going to serve the civilian leadership who

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Speaker 2: we elect in this country.

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Speaker 1: It's interesting to me. I don't think the timing of

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Speaker 1: this attempt by the Pentagon to stifle press coverage. It

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Speaker 1: literally came two days after The Wall Street Journal reported

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Speaker 1: that there were lawyers at the Pentagon nervous that nobody

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01:15:06,960 --> 01:15:10,840
Speaker 1: was taking their legal concerns seriously. Regarding what could be

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Speaker 1: extra judicial killings that are taking place in the Caribbean Sea.

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Speaker 1: You know, if there is what I would call legal

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Speaker 1: dissent and you have legal count basically members of the

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Speaker 1: military legal team saying, hey, this is of questionable and

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Speaker 1: none of how is it going to get out? How

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Speaker 1: are we going to get this information out there if

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Speaker 1: we know that our civilian or our political leaders are

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Speaker 1: essentially ignoring the legal advice they're being given about whether

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Speaker 1: what they're doing is legal or not.

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Speaker 2: I think part of that answer, or part of my answer,

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Speaker 2: gets to the importance of congressional oversight. And look, I'm

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Speaker 2: on the Arm Services Committee. We don't have some power

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Speaker 2: as Democrats and the minority I expect we're going to war.

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Speaker 1: Your chair at all, is the share of Armed Services

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01:16:07,240 --> 01:16:11,160
Speaker 1: at all interested and at least finding out what authority

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Speaker 1: is being used here to just bomb ships that the

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Speaker 1: President claims are famous psycho terrorists.

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Speaker 2: I hope so, because I can tell you my Democratic

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Speaker 2: colleagues do. I suspect some of my Republican colleagues do.

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Speaker 2: I'd like them to put some muscle behind that, because

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Speaker 2: all seems concerned, Yeah, what it's worth and say he's

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Speaker 2: a voice in the Senate who's actually spoken up here.

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Speaker 2: It looks like I'm a veteran of the war in Iraq, right,

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Speaker 2: I'm a veteran of a war that I don't think

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Speaker 2: we should have fought. But at least the Congress, for

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01:16:41,760 --> 01:16:44,800
Speaker 2: crying out loud, debated and had an authorization. They went

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Speaker 2: to the.

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Speaker 1: UN and he went to Congress. Like we could debate

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Speaker 1: was the intelligence manipulated or wrong? Right? Was it purposely

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Speaker 1: wrong or it just was wrong? We could have that debate,

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Speaker 1: but the but the separation of powers was respected.

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Speaker 2: And that's my point. And look, I think, and I

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Speaker 2: convey this in private, I'll say it to you here,

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01:17:06,520 --> 01:17:09,679
Speaker 2: my Republican counterparts. Right now, right, they're enjoying full control

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01:17:09,720 --> 01:17:13,760
Speaker 2: of Washington. That's not going to last forever. And you

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01:17:13,800 --> 01:17:18,040
Speaker 2: ought to have some respect for Congress's power, the people's

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01:17:18,080 --> 01:17:20,800
Speaker 2: power against the president of matter what party they're in,

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01:17:20,840 --> 01:17:24,360
Speaker 2: who is overstepping their authority. And I think something like

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Speaker 2: war powers is one of those places we've seen presidents

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Speaker 2: for a long time abuse this Congress not asserted much

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01:17:31,400 --> 01:17:34,080
Speaker 2: more power here. And go back to the Constitution, which

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01:17:34,120 --> 01:17:36,720
Speaker 2: says it is the cocheras and the American people who

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01:17:36,720 --> 01:17:39,680
Speaker 2: decide whether we go and start a war or send

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Speaker 2: Americans to fight.

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Speaker 1: You know, I was thinking about you came in in

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Speaker 1: twenty two and so you have no memory. You're not

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01:17:47,240 --> 01:17:52,280
Speaker 1: part of the institution that was. And frankly, it's really

1353
01:17:52,280 --> 01:17:54,200
Speaker 1: been about twenty years since the House knew how to

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Speaker 1: be bipartisan, where committee chairs and ranking members would there

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Speaker 1: was some coordination in some form or another. There's probably

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01:18:04,640 --> 01:18:06,960
Speaker 1: slightly more left in the Senate just because some of

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Speaker 1: those senators have been there a little bit longer. The

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Speaker 1: House is a little a little more new. But how

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Speaker 1: have you gone about trying to find Republican colleagues to

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Speaker 1: work with and what works best?

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Speaker 2: It's a great question. So I'll tell give you two

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Speaker 2: pieces of this. One is a very direct way I try.

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Speaker 2: I'm in this caucus for country caucus. It's veterans of

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Speaker 2: both parties. We mostly can find places to work together

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Speaker 2: on defense, maybe some veterans issues, and so that's a

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Speaker 2: real effort to try to find Has that gotten harder, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: it has gotten harder, And it's gotten harder to be

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Speaker 2: candid with Donald Trump as president and the threat that

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01:18:49,680 --> 01:18:52,800
Speaker 2: he always has over Republicans of they may lose a

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Speaker 2: primary and look the other and may be more productive.

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Speaker 2: Not more productive, but a way that I've seen something excess.

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Speaker 2: You know, my district right on the border with Ohio,

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Speaker 2: right on the border with East Palestine, we had people

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Speaker 2: on the evacuation zone of that horrible derailment. We have

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Speaker 2: people in Beaver County who live through that fireball. So

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Speaker 2: I've been in the real safety fight since that happened.

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Speaker 2: I've found some Republicans to stand with me in that.

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Speaker 2: Mike Ruley, the Republican Member for East Palestine, is one

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Speaker 2: of my co leads. Jd. Vance was before he was

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Speaker 2: the Vice president, you know. And so where I got

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Speaker 2: to find partners to do something that's right, I do it.

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Speaker 2: It doesn't always work. I'm not naive about the moment

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Speaker 2: we're in. I'm frankly a little less interested in trying

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Speaker 2: to convince my Republican counterparts to come to my point

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Speaker 2: of view and a little more interested in winning power and

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Speaker 2: taking gavels out of their hands after the election next year.

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Speaker 2: But we always got to try to find some ways.

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Speaker 2: And I get it. And you're right though, at the

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Speaker 2: beginning of the question, you know, I've never served in

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Speaker 2: a Congress that was something like I've heard about, which

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Speaker 2: is not the Congress the good old days the.

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Speaker 1: Hell that means. All I know is when I was younger,

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Speaker 1: they kept telling me about the good old days. And

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Speaker 1: it turns out I was in the good old days.

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Speaker 1: But what did I know? And yet the nineties were

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Speaker 1: seen as the most divisive era we'd ever had in politics.

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Speaker 2: My god, if it should come take a lot.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, if only we could have the day, That's

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Speaker 1: what the how it felt in the nineties, because that

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Speaker 1: was compared to the eighties. Right, it's always about you

1401
01:20:22,280 --> 01:20:24,960
Speaker 1: know what you're what what are you comparing it to?

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01:20:25,680 --> 01:20:28,559
Speaker 1: Right now, the good old days of new kidgrids at

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01:20:28,560 --> 01:20:33,120
Speaker 1: Bill Clinton seemed like it seemed like small potatoes. Well,

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01:20:33,160 --> 01:20:35,200
Speaker 1: the reason I was setting up on that, to be honest,

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Speaker 1: is is I thought that the one area where I

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Speaker 1: feel like there is real bipartisan interest in doing something

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Speaker 1: about this concentration of power is in tech, specifically with

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Speaker 1: social media and kids. Now, I don't know why I

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01:20:52,640 --> 01:20:55,000
Speaker 1: can't you can't get people if we if we know

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01:20:55,160 --> 01:20:58,679
Speaker 1: this product's terrible for kids, why should we assume it's

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Speaker 1: not terrible for adult. But one step at a time,

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01:21:02,240 --> 01:21:06,080
Speaker 1: if we could get everybody agreeing this is a human

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01:21:06,120 --> 01:21:09,719
Speaker 1: brain experiment that should no longer be used on our children,

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Speaker 1: then maybe over time we'll convince them that yet this

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Speaker 1: digital smoking is bad for you, no matter what age

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Speaker 1: you are. But there does seem to be real possibilities

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Speaker 1: here on kids and sort of getting at the big

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01:21:24,240 --> 01:21:28,360
Speaker 1: tech algorithm issue and all these things through the abuse

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Speaker 1: of our children.

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Speaker 2: It has been a rare place. I mean, when you've

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01:21:32,280 --> 01:21:36,360
Speaker 2: got Kathy Hokeel and Sarah alb Sanders down in Arkansas

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01:21:36,479 --> 01:21:39,760
Speaker 2: both signing similar to black brand shats.

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Speaker 1: In the Senate, right.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So it's a place I see it in my

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Speaker 2: own district around smartphones and schools. I sent a survey

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Speaker 2: out to all my school districts just to see what

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Speaker 2: they're doing. Should you know, I asked a public survey

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01:21:51,360 --> 01:21:54,120
Speaker 2: about banning smartphones from classrooms and it was like an

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Speaker 2: eighty twenty response. So it seems to be a place

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Speaker 2: where it hasn't fallen down on the start. You know,

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01:22:00,640 --> 01:22:05,200
Speaker 2: the typical partisan line. Parents are very worried about what's

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Speaker 2: going on with the kids. I'm a dad, I got

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01:22:07,600 --> 01:22:11,080
Speaker 2: young kids, Believe me, I'm worried, and so maybe it's

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01:22:11,120 --> 01:22:13,400
Speaker 2: the one place we still have where we can find

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01:22:13,439 --> 01:22:16,639
Speaker 2: something to do to protect these kids, and it hasn't

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01:22:16,680 --> 01:22:19,920
Speaker 2: become the usual sorting of di verses are. I think

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01:22:19,920 --> 01:22:22,920
Speaker 2: there's real anger at the big tech companies. I think

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Speaker 2: not just parents, people know this stuff is designed to

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01:22:26,160 --> 01:22:30,200
Speaker 2: be addictive. Right, We're talking about like teenage and preteen brains.

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01:22:30,520 --> 01:22:34,720
Speaker 2: Those kids are vulnerable, and I think politicians are just

1441
01:22:34,840 --> 01:22:37,680
Speaker 2: catching up to really how frustrated, especially the parents are.

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01:22:37,680 --> 01:22:39,559
Speaker 2: Have you got to do something to protect these kids?

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01:22:39,880 --> 01:22:42,360
Speaker 1: No? And it feels like once we get everybody focused

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01:22:42,400 --> 01:22:44,080
Speaker 1: on that, then we're all going to say, hey, wait.

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01:22:43,880 --> 01:22:46,960
Speaker 2: A minute, what don't everybody else?

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01:22:47,080 --> 01:22:49,600
Speaker 1: What about everybody else? And then of course, like we

1447
01:22:49,680 --> 01:22:52,960
Speaker 1: also have this huge conscient and that's the other part

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Speaker 1: of this, And this is where, you know, I had

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Speaker 1: a conversation with Steve Bannon, who said, you know who

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01:22:58,840 --> 01:23:01,719
Speaker 1: was a big fan of Lina Kahan, And he said

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01:23:01,760 --> 01:23:05,840
Speaker 1: something that was, frankly, a very agreeable statement. He said,

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01:23:06,120 --> 01:23:09,280
Speaker 1: he goes, you know, I'm I'm always nervous about too

1453
01:23:09,320 --> 01:23:13,679
Speaker 1: much concentration of power. Me too, And I'm like, me too, right,

1454
01:23:13,840 --> 01:23:16,439
Speaker 1: And he goes, I'm focused on government and media, and

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01:23:16,439 --> 01:23:19,240
Speaker 1: I'm like, okay, except look what we're doing in tech,

1456
01:23:19,840 --> 01:23:23,320
Speaker 1: Look what we've done with crypto. And I've got my

1457
01:23:23,439 --> 01:23:26,280
Speaker 1: questions about it as it is. But what we are

1458
01:23:26,320 --> 01:23:30,400
Speaker 1: doing is we're concentrating a small group of people to control.

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01:23:30,439 --> 01:23:32,719
Speaker 1: I mean, look at media now, it is all Donald

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01:23:32,760 --> 01:23:36,599
Speaker 1: Trump's friends who are owning a piece of TikTok. You're

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Speaker 1: now going to have potentially one family, two families control Fox,

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Speaker 1: CBS and CNN. Right, if the Ellisons go through with

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01:23:45,800 --> 01:23:50,280
Speaker 1: both CBS and an acquisition of Warner Brothers, that's a

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01:23:50,400 --> 01:23:55,080
Speaker 1: huge concentration of power, which I don't understand where the

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01:23:55,720 --> 01:23:58,000
Speaker 1: small c conservatives are on this well.

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Speaker 2: And I think look that in this moment, especially where

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Speaker 2: you're seeing a president his allies willing to stifle dissent

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Speaker 2: and use the power they have to kick people off TV.

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Speaker 1: Right.

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Speaker 2: The problem of concentration of power is related to this.

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Speaker 2: If you've got a diffuse competitive market, it's a lot

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Speaker 2: harder to bully a very competitive market versus just a

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Speaker 2: handful of corporations who you have hanging over their head,

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01:24:25,200 --> 01:24:28,000
Speaker 2: the threat of blocking a merger, for instance, right, finding

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01:24:28,040 --> 01:24:30,960
Speaker 2: some use of government power you can use to get

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01:24:31,000 --> 01:24:34,519
Speaker 2: action that you want somewhere else. The competition would make

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01:24:34,560 --> 01:24:37,040
Speaker 2: that a lot harder to do. And by the way,

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Speaker 2: it might be better for a variety of viewpoints. It

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01:24:40,080 --> 01:24:44,200
Speaker 2: might be better to have different content creators and different

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01:24:44,840 --> 01:24:47,880
Speaker 2: sports and TV and news platforms, maybe better for consumers.

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Speaker 2: And so I think these things are linked. I think

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Speaker 2: the economic fight and for me, I very much include

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01:24:53,800 --> 01:24:57,439
Speaker 2: that concentration of power right that Lena Conn and others

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Speaker 2: were part of in the Biden administration, that at least

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Speaker 2: at the beginning there might be some carryover into this

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01:25:03,280 --> 01:25:06,680
Speaker 2: administration that now seems to be happening. I think that

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01:25:06,720 --> 01:25:10,200
Speaker 2: fight is really important, and it goes to beating back

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01:25:10,320 --> 01:25:13,519
Speaker 2: any attempts to weekend free speech and week in the constitution.

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Speaker 2: I think they are very very liked.

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Speaker 1: Well, this gets it too. And I'm curious how you

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Speaker 1: answer this question, because I'm sure you've had a constituent

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Speaker 1: when you bring up this corruption issue, and I'm like,

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Speaker 1: I am just alarmed at the level of pay to

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01:25:35,120 --> 01:25:38,519
Speaker 1: play that we have right now. And I'll bring that

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01:25:38,640 --> 01:25:41,599
Speaker 1: up and I'll have somebody say, well, they're all kind

1496
01:25:41,680 --> 01:25:44,240
Speaker 1: of corrupt, and you're like.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but like this goes to eleven, you know, like.

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Speaker 1: You know, doing sorry for the gen X reference there

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01:25:51,040 --> 01:25:54,400
Speaker 1: to spinal tap, but you know it is I hear you.

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Speaker 1: I know, I just you know you're here, You're talking

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01:25:57,960 --> 01:25:59,639
Speaker 1: like a middle aged guy, and I'm like, yeah, I'm

1502
01:26:00,520 --> 01:26:05,400
Speaker 1: decade plus older than you. God love us. But what

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01:26:05,439 --> 01:26:07,439
Speaker 1: do you say to that? Because I really do think

1504
01:26:07,479 --> 01:26:11,080
Speaker 1: the biggest problem we've got is with the public is

1505
01:26:11,360 --> 01:26:14,519
Speaker 1: they agree that what's happening is bad, but they sit

1506
01:26:14,560 --> 01:26:17,400
Speaker 1: there and say it's hey, man, I thought the last

1507
01:26:17,400 --> 01:26:19,720
Speaker 1: guy was somewhat corrupt to you may not have thought

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01:26:19,760 --> 01:26:21,519
Speaker 1: he was as corrupt as I did, but it certainly

1509
01:26:21,520 --> 01:26:24,400
Speaker 1: didn't look any that much better. And all of these

1510
01:26:24,439 --> 01:26:28,160
Speaker 1: people get rich off of politics, whether it's liberals or conservatives.

1511
01:26:28,400 --> 01:26:30,559
Speaker 1: And the thing is is that even I could say, well,

1512
01:26:30,760 --> 01:26:33,160
Speaker 1: it's lopside. It's like when everybody wants to have this

1513
01:26:33,200 --> 01:26:36,599
Speaker 1: fight over whose extremists are more violent, it doesn't matter

1514
01:26:36,760 --> 01:26:40,479
Speaker 1: if everybody's got violent actors on their side, you need

1515
01:26:40,520 --> 01:26:43,439
Speaker 1: to police it. But how do we break this sort

1516
01:26:43,520 --> 01:26:47,040
Speaker 1: of that cynical while they're all corrupt? So you know,

1517
01:26:47,240 --> 01:26:49,400
Speaker 1: I even had people say, yeah, I know Trump's corrupt,

1518
01:26:49,400 --> 01:26:50,880
Speaker 1: but at least he's authentic about it.

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01:26:52,000 --> 01:26:55,200
Speaker 2: So I'll give you an example on congressional stock trading. Okay,

1520
01:26:55,680 --> 01:26:58,880
Speaker 2: I high constituents at town hall or Senior Center event,

1521
01:26:59,360 --> 01:27:00,840
Speaker 2: and I'll bring it up, or they'll bring it up

1522
01:27:01,320 --> 01:27:03,720
Speaker 2: and they might think they've so I'm gonna get chick.

1523
01:27:03,720 --> 01:27:05,680
Speaker 2: So I'm going to name some Democrat who abuse this,

1524
01:27:05,760 --> 01:27:07,240
Speaker 2: and then my answer is that I don't care. We

1525
01:27:07,400 --> 01:27:09,519
Speaker 2: know one should be doing this. Let's ban the damn thing.

1526
01:27:10,080 --> 01:27:13,000
Speaker 2: And it's an easy anti corruption thing that we should do.

1527
01:27:13,439 --> 01:27:15,920
Speaker 2: And yet I think it actually it's one example of

1528
01:27:15,960 --> 01:27:20,439
Speaker 2: many of this stuff that just breeds distrust for people.

1529
01:27:20,840 --> 01:27:24,719
Speaker 2: Right when you see politicians do this, people know it's gross.

1530
01:27:24,760 --> 01:27:26,920
Speaker 2: They're not dumb. People are smart. They know that when

1531
01:27:26,960 --> 01:27:30,200
Speaker 2: politicians get rich doing this stuff, it's crooked. And I

1532
01:27:30,240 --> 01:27:32,519
Speaker 2: can cite the same stuff about the abuse of the

1533
01:27:32,880 --> 01:27:35,360
Speaker 2: mean coins and everything else in the administration, but I

1534
01:27:35,360 --> 01:27:39,160
Speaker 2: think the congressional stock trading really hits for people. And

1535
01:27:39,240 --> 01:27:40,880
Speaker 2: you got to be willing to just say I don't

1536
01:27:40,920 --> 01:27:44,680
Speaker 2: care who is doing this, it's wrong. You just need that.

1537
01:27:44,760 --> 01:27:47,160
Speaker 2: And I think it seems like a low hanging through

1538
01:27:47,240 --> 01:27:49,479
Speaker 2: of something we could take on and just do right now,

1539
01:27:50,080 --> 01:27:52,080
Speaker 2: and we ought to do and frankly there has been

1540
01:27:52,280 --> 01:27:56,240
Speaker 2: movement finally of some legislation that you've got Dems and

1541
01:27:56,280 --> 01:27:59,519
Speaker 2: Republicans both on we should just do this stuff.

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01:28:00,479 --> 01:28:04,439
Speaker 1: I have a crazy notion here, what if you combine

1543
01:28:04,479 --> 01:28:06,439
Speaker 1: the Congressional stock band with a pay raise?

1544
01:28:07,320 --> 01:28:09,840
Speaker 2: Oh gosh, say that.

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01:28:10,560 --> 01:28:12,760
Speaker 1: Look I know that it's about Look you know, I'm

1546
01:28:12,800 --> 01:28:14,920
Speaker 1: one of these people who at least understands the life

1547
01:28:14,920 --> 01:28:21,400
Speaker 1: you live and like you know, if you don't want

1548
01:28:21,520 --> 01:28:24,000
Speaker 1: members of Congress to interact with each other, then make

1549
01:28:24,040 --> 01:28:26,320
Speaker 1: them sleep in their own offices and make them not.

1550
01:28:26,720 --> 01:28:29,000
Speaker 1: If you do want them to interact, then you better

1551
01:28:29,000 --> 01:28:31,960
Speaker 1: pay them a decent salary so they can maybe have

1552
01:28:32,040 --> 01:28:35,479
Speaker 1: their family in Washington. And if you move your family

1553
01:28:35,560 --> 01:28:38,160
Speaker 1: to Washington, you're more likely to get to know people

1554
01:28:38,200 --> 01:28:40,280
Speaker 1: across the aisle than if you don't. You end up.

1555
01:28:40,400 --> 01:28:42,800
Speaker 1: I mean, look, there's I could I could sit here

1556
01:28:42,840 --> 01:28:46,240
Speaker 1: and talk myself in circles about what's better or worse.

1557
01:28:46,800 --> 01:28:50,720
Speaker 1: But if I've been empathetic to One argument about the

1558
01:28:50,720 --> 01:28:55,080
Speaker 1: Congressional stock band is, if you're a middle class person

1559
01:28:55,240 --> 01:28:57,720
Speaker 1: who's had a decent job, got a four to one K,

1560
01:28:58,439 --> 01:29:00,439
Speaker 1: what are you supposed to do what you get there,

1561
01:29:01,080 --> 01:29:05,400
Speaker 1: and you get it, but hey, I'm trying to plan

1562
01:29:05,479 --> 01:29:09,160
Speaker 1: for retirement too, and it isn't a very you know.

1563
01:29:10,439 --> 01:29:11,960
Speaker 1: I know it sounds like a lot of money that

1564
01:29:12,000 --> 01:29:13,799
Speaker 1: you make, and it is to a lot of people.

1565
01:29:14,240 --> 01:29:17,479
Speaker 1: But what I always say is great, try having two

1566
01:29:17,640 --> 01:29:20,960
Speaker 1: households on that one hundred and six seventy two thousand

1567
01:29:21,000 --> 01:29:22,639
Speaker 1: dollars a year salary. That's hard.

1568
01:29:23,120 --> 01:29:24,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, no one's going to feel bad for us. And

1569
01:29:24,760 --> 01:29:27,960
Speaker 2: you know you know that and like it to the

1570
01:29:28,000 --> 01:29:29,040
Speaker 2: point on I.

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01:29:29,000 --> 01:29:30,960
Speaker 1: Know, I'm like baiting. I don't mean to pitch you

1572
01:29:31,000 --> 01:29:33,280
Speaker 1: like to make it, but I do think that it is.

1573
01:29:33,360 --> 01:29:38,120
Speaker 1: It is not the easiest lifestyle for a member of Congress,

1574
01:29:38,680 --> 01:29:41,920
Speaker 1: and yet they take so much. There's this perception that

1575
01:29:42,000 --> 01:29:42,960
Speaker 1: life is so easy.

1576
01:29:43,680 --> 01:29:46,080
Speaker 2: Well look, even let's let's do the retiring example you

1577
01:29:46,120 --> 01:29:50,679
Speaker 2: talk about. You could just have ETFs or mutual funds

1578
01:29:50,680 --> 01:29:54,440
Speaker 2: and you aren't trading individual companies, which I think is

1579
01:29:54,520 --> 01:29:57,479
Speaker 2: such a an obvious red flag given the count.

1580
01:29:57,680 --> 01:30:00,719
Speaker 1: And we saw this during the pandemic where Wow, Richard

1581
01:30:00,720 --> 01:30:03,280
Speaker 1: burb made a whole bunch of trades literally an hour

1582
01:30:03,400 --> 01:30:05,960
Speaker 1: after he got the word about what was coming with

1583
01:30:06,000 --> 01:30:07,920
Speaker 1: the pandemic, Like, yeah, that was bad.

1584
01:30:08,760 --> 01:30:10,960
Speaker 2: So I'm not going to cry tears for you know

1585
01:30:11,000 --> 01:30:14,080
Speaker 2: that that only get that all. Look, at the end

1586
01:30:14,080 --> 01:30:16,880
Speaker 2: of the day, this is public service. It's a great

1587
01:30:16,880 --> 01:30:20,720
Speaker 2: honor to get to do this job. It is a

1588
01:30:20,760 --> 01:30:24,280
Speaker 2: public trust. And I think it's one of those things

1589
01:30:24,320 --> 01:30:27,080
Speaker 2: that if the members who won't support a band were

1590
01:30:27,120 --> 01:30:28,920
Speaker 2: to look themselves in the mirror and ask like, because

1591
01:30:28,920 --> 01:30:30,720
Speaker 2: this is good for public trust in our government, they

1592
01:30:30,720 --> 01:30:33,400
Speaker 2: would say, of course stop or they're deluding themselves. I

1593
01:30:33,439 --> 01:30:35,880
Speaker 2: don't get it. I just think it's an obvious one

1594
01:30:36,040 --> 01:30:38,680
Speaker 2: and your point's well taken, but man, we ought to

1595
01:30:38,720 --> 01:30:39,639
Speaker 2: just here's.

1596
01:30:39,520 --> 01:30:42,280
Speaker 1: Okay, here's the problem I'm trying to solve. For Yaues.

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01:30:42,560 --> 01:30:45,640
Speaker 1: I want a working class person to be able to

1598
01:30:45,640 --> 01:30:47,360
Speaker 1: to be able to be a member of Congress. And

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01:30:47,439 --> 01:30:50,639
Speaker 1: the way it all works now is you really need

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01:30:50,680 --> 01:30:54,639
Speaker 1: to be wealthy in order to be an effective member

1601
01:30:54,680 --> 01:30:57,759
Speaker 1: of the House. And that's that shouldn't be how it works.

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01:30:58,320 --> 01:31:00,160
Speaker 2: I agree, and that's a real problem. In part of

1603
01:31:00,160 --> 01:31:05,040
Speaker 2: it is, look, when we've got candidates and the Republicans

1604
01:31:05,040 --> 01:31:07,040
Speaker 2: will have their own version of this with the NRCC

1605
01:31:07,120 --> 01:31:08,479
Speaker 2: and all the rest. But you know, it's part of

1606
01:31:08,520 --> 01:31:11,479
Speaker 2: it is trying to give candidates who come from a

1607
01:31:11,520 --> 01:31:14,920
Speaker 2: working class background a shot to run. I'm supporting Bob

1608
01:31:14,960 --> 01:31:17,600
Speaker 2: Brooks running in the Lehigh Valley of Pennsylvania is a firefighter.

1609
01:31:18,000 --> 01:31:20,360
Speaker 2: You know, that's that's not the norm for folks who

1610
01:31:20,439 --> 01:31:21,479
Speaker 2: end up being in Congress.

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01:31:21,680 --> 01:31:23,840
Speaker 1: No, it's a lot of lawyers. No offense to your gend,

1612
01:31:24,000 --> 01:31:27,120
Speaker 1: but like in fact, that is a lion's share of

1613
01:31:27,160 --> 01:31:29,000
Speaker 1: the Democrats that are in the House or lawyers.

1614
01:31:29,040 --> 01:31:31,040
Speaker 2: Right, yeah, no, I get it. It looks like at the

1615
01:31:31,120 --> 01:31:33,080
Speaker 2: end of the day we're lawmaking. That helps a little bit,

1616
01:31:33,080 --> 01:31:35,760
Speaker 2: But man, you've got to have different perspectives. It can't

1617
01:31:35,800 --> 01:31:39,040
Speaker 2: just be one thing. And I think that's a it's

1618
01:31:39,040 --> 01:31:40,960
Speaker 2: a really good question, and what we do about it

1619
01:31:41,000 --> 01:31:42,880
Speaker 2: is not an easy answer. But a part of it

1620
01:31:42,920 --> 01:31:46,919
Speaker 2: has to be folks helping when we've got good candidates

1621
01:31:46,920 --> 01:31:50,599
Speaker 2: who come from a working class background getting some supported help,

1622
01:31:50,600 --> 01:31:53,879
Speaker 2: because man, the fundraising reality of getting elected to Congress

1623
01:31:54,479 --> 01:31:58,400
Speaker 2: is obscene. We can spend an hour talking about campaign finance, right,

1624
01:31:59,120 --> 01:32:02,080
Speaker 2: but it's not easy thing. And it's I think we

1625
01:32:02,120 --> 01:32:05,120
Speaker 2: would do better as a Congress, as a country if

1626
01:32:05,120 --> 01:32:08,200
Speaker 2: we had people who came from far more normal jobs

1627
01:32:08,200 --> 01:32:08,960
Speaker 2: and careers.

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01:32:09,560 --> 01:32:11,320
Speaker 1: I want to get you out of here on two

1629
01:32:11,360 --> 01:32:14,599
Speaker 1: more questions, once politics and one will be easy because

1630
01:32:14,640 --> 01:32:17,760
Speaker 1: it's it should be easy because it's sports. But on

1631
01:32:18,200 --> 01:32:23,120
Speaker 1: the politics front, it seems like every Democratic strategists out there,

1632
01:32:23,240 --> 01:32:26,200
Speaker 1: and no matter the flavor that they may be ideologically,

1633
01:32:26,680 --> 01:32:28,840
Speaker 1: all is agreeing on the same thing, which is, hey,

1634
01:32:29,000 --> 01:32:31,639
Speaker 1: Democrats need to drop the culture stuff and just focus

1635
01:32:31,720 --> 01:32:35,240
Speaker 1: on economics and sort of day to day things. It's

1636
01:32:35,280 --> 01:32:38,400
Speaker 1: easy to say, but it's turned out to be really

1637
01:32:38,439 --> 01:32:40,080
Speaker 1: difficult in practice, hasn't it.

1638
01:32:41,400 --> 01:32:43,600
Speaker 2: I guess that here's what I'll say. And look, I

1639
01:32:43,640 --> 01:32:47,639
Speaker 2: talk about my own experience running and winning, and I've

1640
01:32:47,680 --> 01:32:50,960
Speaker 2: never backtracked on people's civil rights. And you know, my

1641
01:32:51,080 --> 01:32:54,000
Speaker 2: part of the world is very competitive. It used to be,

1642
01:32:54,200 --> 01:32:56,040
Speaker 2: you know, a lot of the old blue dog Dems

1643
01:32:56,040 --> 01:32:58,400
Speaker 2: in my part of the world who were right anti abortion.

1644
01:32:58,680 --> 01:32:59,800
Speaker 1: I was just going to say, a lot of pro

1645
01:32:59,800 --> 01:33:03,560
Speaker 1: life Democrats have represented Western Pennsylvania in the past. I

1646
01:33:04,360 --> 01:33:06,559
Speaker 1: want to say Mike Doyle was. I don't remember for sure,

1647
01:33:06,600 --> 01:33:08,080
Speaker 1: but I feel like that was the case.

1648
01:33:08,120 --> 01:33:11,080
Speaker 2: But matter, I guess where I'm going is I have

1649
01:33:11,200 --> 01:33:14,280
Speaker 2: put this economic fight front center, and I've also been

1650
01:33:14,360 --> 01:33:17,760
Speaker 2: clear I don't have to backtrack on anybody's freedom to

1651
01:33:17,840 --> 01:33:19,760
Speaker 2: do that, and I've been talking about it on the

1652
01:33:19,920 --> 01:33:22,840
Speaker 2: stump and at rallies. As much as Donald Trump might

1653
01:33:22,880 --> 01:33:26,280
Speaker 2: want to divide people, right, some trans person wanting dignity

1654
01:33:26,320 --> 01:33:28,200
Speaker 2: is not why you're housing or your healthcare is a

1655
01:33:28,280 --> 01:33:31,000
Speaker 2: rip off, and we're not going to fall for that.

1656
01:33:31,520 --> 01:33:35,280
Speaker 2: I don't think the path to Democrats rebuilding trust has

1657
01:33:35,360 --> 01:33:37,880
Speaker 2: now thrown people under the bus. And by the way,

1658
01:33:38,360 --> 01:33:41,000
Speaker 2: the other side of this, the Republicans ought to be

1659
01:33:41,040 --> 01:33:43,680
Speaker 2: careful because not only are they hurting people, they are

1660
01:33:43,760 --> 01:33:46,479
Speaker 2: spending a lot of time, a lot of time worrying

1661
01:33:46,520 --> 01:33:50,120
Speaker 2: about inspecting kids genitals on sports fields when they are

1662
01:33:50,120 --> 01:33:53,280
Speaker 2: failing to bring down the cost of living. And that

1663
01:33:53,439 --> 01:33:56,920
Speaker 2: is I think them failing at their core task and

1664
01:33:56,960 --> 01:33:59,240
Speaker 2: spending way too much time picking on kids and what

1665
01:33:59,240 --> 01:34:00,000
Speaker 2: sports they're going to be.

1666
01:34:00,600 --> 01:34:04,040
Speaker 1: In your community. What is the one big economic issue

1667
01:34:04,040 --> 01:34:07,920
Speaker 1: that you think is about to just explode that you

1668
01:34:07,960 --> 01:34:11,439
Speaker 1: know well, like people aren't realizing in about three to

1669
01:34:11,479 --> 01:34:13,160
Speaker 1: six months X is going to happen.

1670
01:34:13,600 --> 01:34:16,320
Speaker 2: People's energy bills are already been going up and they're

1671
01:34:16,360 --> 01:34:19,120
Speaker 2: mad about it, and that's on top of healthcare getting

1672
01:34:19,120 --> 01:34:20,120
Speaker 2: more and more expensive.

1673
01:34:20,240 --> 01:34:23,120
Speaker 1: Is there a good explanation on energy what's happening here?

1674
01:34:23,160 --> 01:34:24,920
Speaker 1: Because this doesn't feel like an easy answer.

1675
01:34:25,640 --> 01:34:28,800
Speaker 2: And here's the things. Yeah, it's a mix. I've been

1676
01:34:28,840 --> 01:34:31,840
Speaker 2: working with Congressional Research to get really dug in on

1677
01:34:31,880 --> 01:34:34,160
Speaker 2: what's going on in my part of the country.

1678
01:34:34,200 --> 01:34:36,200
Speaker 1: Pg's across the board. I don't know if you saw

1679
01:34:36,479 --> 01:34:39,400
Speaker 1: the New Jersey governor's race, both candidates are, hey, we're

1680
01:34:39,400 --> 01:34:42,240
Speaker 1: going to try to fight for you. Like, yeah, when

1681
01:34:42,320 --> 01:34:44,680
Speaker 1: you see both candidates doing something, you're like, oh, this

1682
01:34:44,840 --> 01:34:47,559
Speaker 1: is everywhere. Trust me. I mean, my wife and I

1683
01:34:47,560 --> 01:34:50,559
Speaker 1: had this discussion. Yeah, have we always paid this much?

1684
01:34:50,600 --> 01:34:53,040
Speaker 1: You're like, no, this is really a new spike. Yeah,

1685
01:34:53,080 --> 01:34:54,400
Speaker 1: there's something happening out here.

1686
01:34:54,640 --> 01:34:57,519
Speaker 2: You've got a problem with not enough power generation period,

1687
01:34:57,600 --> 01:34:59,960
Speaker 2: no matter the source of power. That's a real problem.

1688
01:35:00,520 --> 01:35:02,680
Speaker 2: And you know, you also got a mix of the

1689
01:35:02,720 --> 01:35:06,400
Speaker 2: traditional co ops, but you've got these investor owned or

1690
01:35:06,439 --> 01:35:09,040
Speaker 2: private owned utilities that's seen to be jacking up prices

1691
01:35:09,080 --> 01:35:11,599
Speaker 2: at higher rates than the old co ops. If you've

1692
01:35:11,640 --> 01:35:14,040
Speaker 2: got that in your part of the world, and I

1693
01:35:14,040 --> 01:35:18,000
Speaker 2: think it's a power generation problem, it's the monopolies. They're

1694
01:35:18,040 --> 01:35:22,200
Speaker 2: all monopolies essentially on the transmission distribution side, some of

1695
01:35:22,200 --> 01:35:25,880
Speaker 2: those investor owned companies there. There's not an easy answer,

1696
01:35:25,920 --> 01:35:27,840
Speaker 2: but man, I think people are mad about it, and

1697
01:35:27,840 --> 01:35:31,360
Speaker 2: I think the Republican big beautiful bill just made it worse.

1698
01:35:31,920 --> 01:35:33,800
Speaker 2: And we're going to see as those tax credits go

1699
01:35:33,840 --> 01:35:37,559
Speaker 2: away for things like getting new power, new transmission going,

1700
01:35:37,640 --> 01:35:39,360
Speaker 2: that's going to make bills go up.

1701
01:35:39,640 --> 01:35:42,320
Speaker 1: I'm old enough to remember when the Republican stance on

1702
01:35:42,520 --> 01:35:46,479
Speaker 1: energy was all of the above, and suddenly it's no

1703
01:35:46,560 --> 01:35:50,880
Speaker 1: longer all of the above. It's whatever. President Trump likes

1704
01:35:50,960 --> 01:35:54,519
Speaker 1: oil and gas, he likes nuclear, he's okay with solar,

1705
01:35:54,560 --> 01:35:56,479
Speaker 1: he doesn't like wind. And you're like, what does it matter?

1706
01:35:56,760 --> 01:35:57,639
Speaker 1: Don't we want all of it?

1707
01:35:57,920 --> 01:35:59,519
Speaker 2: Tell you why? You talk to people in the building

1708
01:35:59,560 --> 01:36:04,360
Speaker 2: trades western Pennsylvania. They would just like jobs and any

1709
01:36:04,560 --> 01:36:06,960
Speaker 2: any energy work, those can be good jobs.

1710
01:36:09,960 --> 01:36:11,439
Speaker 1: Are you going to go to the you know the

1711
01:36:11,600 --> 01:36:13,880
Speaker 1: you're I assume you're beloved Pittsburgh Steelers fan.

1712
01:36:14,240 --> 01:36:14,799
Speaker 2: I am.

1713
01:36:15,200 --> 01:36:18,800
Speaker 1: I think when we when this this will air before you,

1714
01:36:19,080 --> 01:36:20,639
Speaker 1: Pittsburgh's going to Ireland right.

1715
01:36:20,800 --> 01:36:22,519
Speaker 2: Double right about this coming Sunday.

1716
01:36:22,560 --> 01:36:25,679
Speaker 1: I think, yeah, that's got to be a tempting field trip.

1717
01:36:25,760 --> 01:36:29,280
Speaker 2: No, I'm not going. I'm staying home. I'll watched from afar.

1718
01:36:29,360 --> 01:36:31,280
Speaker 2: It's going to be like an early game on Sundays

1719
01:36:31,400 --> 01:36:31,640
Speaker 2: as well.

1720
01:36:31,640 --> 01:36:33,400
Speaker 1: Well the Rooneys. I mean, I just think, what a

1721
01:36:33,520 --> 01:36:36,400
Speaker 1: what a right the Popa was the ambassador. I mean,

1722
01:36:36,680 --> 01:36:40,040
Speaker 1: that's going to be. I mean, I have a feeling

1723
01:36:40,200 --> 01:36:43,080
Speaker 1: that's going to be a Pittsburgh home game.

1724
01:36:43,760 --> 01:36:47,799
Speaker 2: You know, some tells me that Steelers will travel well everywhere,

1725
01:36:47,840 --> 01:36:50,040
Speaker 2: and I'm gonna guess we got good fans in double

1726
01:36:50,360 --> 01:36:51,519
Speaker 2: How how you holding.

1727
01:36:51,320 --> 01:36:54,559
Speaker 1: Up with the Aaron Rodgers experience. I'm from a weird fan.

1728
01:36:54,960 --> 01:36:56,759
Speaker 1: I know, I know this world.

1729
01:36:56,760 --> 01:36:59,799
Speaker 2: Well, he's older than me, I'm pretty sure, which is bizarre.

1730
01:37:00,040 --> 01:37:02,639
Speaker 1: Guys are about the same age. I think that's right. Yeah, yeah.

1731
01:37:02,800 --> 01:37:05,920
Speaker 2: The New England win. So we're recording this Monday after

1732
01:37:06,120 --> 01:37:07,200
Speaker 2: we just beat the Patriots.

1733
01:37:07,280 --> 01:37:10,719
Speaker 1: It was kind of an ugly game, you know, better

1734
01:37:10,680 --> 01:37:14,200
Speaker 1: to win than lose, better the win than lose. He is,

1735
01:37:14,320 --> 01:37:18,720
Speaker 1: and and then of course there's the Pittsburgh Pirates. It

1736
01:37:18,800 --> 01:37:22,280
Speaker 1: is why does an incredible franchise with its history like that?

1737
01:37:22,920 --> 01:37:26,479
Speaker 1: You know, I say this, I come from Miami and

1738
01:37:26,560 --> 01:37:28,840
Speaker 1: we didn't have baseball on I was growing up. I

1739
01:37:28,920 --> 01:37:31,400
Speaker 1: moved to Washington, it didn't have baseball. Now has the Nats.

1740
01:37:32,640 --> 01:37:35,840
Speaker 1: I feel like Pittsburgh's just a worse version than what

1741
01:37:35,920 --> 01:37:40,200
Speaker 1: Miami and Washington have experienced, which is owners that just

1742
01:37:40,360 --> 01:37:43,120
Speaker 1: either don't have the resources or don't spend the resources.

1743
01:37:44,800 --> 01:37:46,479
Speaker 2: I think it's a simple question of whether you're going

1744
01:37:46,479 --> 01:37:48,160
Speaker 2: to spend and invest in the team. I mean, look,

1745
01:37:48,160 --> 01:37:50,599
Speaker 2: we play in a beautiful ballpark. You got a fan

1746
01:37:50,680 --> 01:37:51,759
Speaker 2: base who will.

1747
01:37:51,600 --> 01:37:55,280
Speaker 1: Show up a magnetic ballpark, meaning people will travel. You

1748
01:37:55,360 --> 01:37:57,800
Speaker 1: hear it all the time, like the you know, there's

1749
01:37:57,800 --> 01:38:00,400
Speaker 1: a whole baseball community that loves to do the ballpark traveling.

1750
01:38:00,400 --> 01:38:00,800
Speaker 2: I mean yeah.

1751
01:38:00,800 --> 01:38:02,640
Speaker 1: In fact, my son is one of them. He's one

1752
01:38:02,680 --> 01:38:04,919
Speaker 1: of the few eighteen year olds that actually likes baseball.

1753
01:38:05,120 --> 01:38:06,960
Speaker 1: As he says, he's in college and he goes, yeah,

1754
01:38:07,080 --> 01:38:09,160
Speaker 1: I wanted to go check out a Rangers game. He's

1755
01:38:09,320 --> 01:38:11,599
Speaker 1: down in Texas and he had a hard time recruiting

1756
01:38:11,640 --> 01:38:13,840
Speaker 1: people to go check out a baseball game. Like that's

1757
01:38:13,960 --> 01:38:18,960
Speaker 1: how badly baseball is not penetrating gen Z. But he

1758
01:38:19,040 --> 01:38:22,280
Speaker 1: loves to see all the parks and PNC Park is

1759
01:38:22,360 --> 01:38:25,400
Speaker 1: always right at the top of the list. P and C. Colorado,

1760
01:38:25,800 --> 01:38:29,200
Speaker 1: you know, after Wriggling, Fenway, P and C. Colorado and Camden,

1761
01:38:29,320 --> 01:38:32,040
Speaker 1: those three are just fantastic.

1762
01:38:32,640 --> 01:38:34,240
Speaker 2: Well, we haven't even gotten to the fact that we

1763
01:38:34,320 --> 01:38:35,920
Speaker 2: have the best pitching.

1764
01:38:36,680 --> 01:38:37,280
Speaker 1: He's so great.

1765
01:38:37,320 --> 01:38:39,360
Speaker 2: I mean, Paul Skins is unbelievable.

1766
01:38:39,600 --> 01:38:41,479
Speaker 1: He's going to be terrific for the New York Yankees

1767
01:38:41,520 --> 01:38:41,840
Speaker 1: one day.

1768
01:38:42,240 --> 01:38:45,120
Speaker 2: And you know, it kills me to know that we

1769
01:38:45,200 --> 01:38:46,760
Speaker 2: are probably not going to able to keep this guy.

1770
01:38:46,880 --> 01:38:50,559
Speaker 2: And you know, I look at from his perspective. You

1771
01:38:50,600 --> 01:38:52,679
Speaker 2: want to win, and you want an ownership that wants

1772
01:38:52,720 --> 01:38:54,040
Speaker 2: to win. I mean, we should be pitchers.

1773
01:38:54,120 --> 01:38:57,880
Speaker 1: We do this. What's your career lifespan? Right, Like you'll

1774
01:38:57,960 --> 01:39:00,559
Speaker 1: have a fineitue amount of time before your arm fall off.

1775
01:39:00,720 --> 01:39:03,240
Speaker 2: You don't know, I know, I wish. Look, I want

1776
01:39:03,280 --> 01:39:05,439
Speaker 2: to build a team around this guy. I want us

1777
01:39:05,479 --> 01:39:07,920
Speaker 2: to compete and win. I mean, we have this guy

1778
01:39:07,920 --> 01:39:11,679
Speaker 2: who's such a generational talent. And I don't know.

1779
01:39:11,800 --> 01:39:14,519
Speaker 1: Are the Pirates owners good community citizens? I mean do

1780
01:39:14,560 --> 01:39:16,400
Speaker 1: they invest in the community or not? Really?

1781
01:39:16,920 --> 01:39:19,240
Speaker 2: I think if you went to a game where you

1782
01:39:19,240 --> 01:39:21,360
Speaker 2: would see as banners and T shirts and tell them

1783
01:39:21,400 --> 01:39:23,519
Speaker 2: to sell the team, and that tells you about what

1784
01:39:23,600 --> 01:39:25,280
Speaker 2: the public sees, you know, like they want to winner.

1785
01:39:25,560 --> 01:39:28,320
Speaker 2: If these guys would would spend and invest, people would

1786
01:39:28,360 --> 01:39:31,240
Speaker 2: come around this ownership. I think it's a simple lesson

1787
01:39:31,360 --> 01:39:33,840
Speaker 2: and you see it with We're talked. We talked about

1788
01:39:33,840 --> 01:39:36,800
Speaker 2: the Rooneyes and the Steelers. They invest, they spend a win,

1789
01:39:37,160 --> 01:39:39,640
Speaker 2: they have a culture of winning. The Bucos could do

1790
01:39:39,680 --> 01:39:41,320
Speaker 2: this with a little bit of money.

1791
01:39:41,960 --> 01:39:44,400
Speaker 1: One last question. If you go through the various suburban

1792
01:39:44,439 --> 01:39:48,080
Speaker 1: communities on a college football Saturday, are there going to

1793
01:39:48,120 --> 01:39:51,759
Speaker 1: be more Penn State flags or Pitt Panther flags.

1794
01:39:52,040 --> 01:39:55,320
Speaker 2: Well, I'm a PI fan through and through, so we're

1795
01:39:55,880 --> 01:39:58,480
Speaker 2: we're going to Pitt. But the folks pretty.

1796
01:39:58,200 --> 01:40:01,680
Speaker 1: Fig fifty is it it? It's bib is it? Well?

1797
01:40:01,720 --> 01:40:03,479
Speaker 2: And they're also West Virginia fans. We're not that far

1798
01:40:03,520 --> 01:40:05,400
Speaker 2: from Morgantown, right, So you got a little bit of

1799
01:40:05,439 --> 01:40:08,360
Speaker 2: that too. Huh Yeah, it's a mix, all right.

1800
01:40:08,720 --> 01:40:10,080
Speaker 1: Congressman, it's great to get to know.

1801
01:40:10,040 --> 01:40:12,200
Speaker 2: You appreciate the time Jock banks around me on.

1802
01:40:23,960 --> 01:40:26,759
Speaker 1: Well, I hope you enjoyed that conversation with Chris Tolusia.

1803
01:40:26,760 --> 01:40:28,920
Speaker 1: As you as you can see, there's a there's a

1804
01:40:28,960 --> 01:40:31,040
Speaker 1: part of me that loves the get to know a district,

1805
01:40:31,160 --> 01:40:32,960
Speaker 1: get to know your member of Congress. I want to

1806
01:40:33,000 --> 01:40:35,720
Speaker 1: keep bringing them on. I'm looking for more right and left.

1807
01:40:35,720 --> 01:40:38,360
Speaker 1: By the way, if there are specific members you'd like

1808
01:40:38,400 --> 01:40:41,240
Speaker 1: to hear that I have you've not heard talked about,

1809
01:40:41,240 --> 01:40:43,600
Speaker 1: you've not heard interview, shoot us a line, shoot us

1810
01:40:43,600 --> 01:40:45,960
Speaker 1: a note, tell us who you want to hear from

1811
01:40:47,680 --> 01:40:49,559
Speaker 1: when it comes to members of the House or members

1812
01:40:49,560 --> 01:40:53,960
Speaker 1: of the US Senate in a long form conversation like

1813
01:40:53,960 --> 01:40:56,920
Speaker 1: like we're trying to perfect here at the podcast. So

1814
01:40:56,920 --> 01:41:00,519
Speaker 1: with that, I'm doing my top five list for the week.

1815
01:41:03,040 --> 01:41:08,640
Speaker 2: Top top.

1816
01:41:08,560 --> 01:41:12,880
Speaker 1: My top five football coaches either college or pro. So

1817
01:41:12,920 --> 01:41:16,479
Speaker 1: I have a combined list here who are most likely

1818
01:41:16,520 --> 01:41:19,800
Speaker 1: not to be had football coaches before the end of

1819
01:41:19,840 --> 01:41:22,040
Speaker 1: this calendar year. Now, I already had to redo that.

1820
01:41:22,200 --> 01:41:25,960
Speaker 1: I made this list on Tuesday morning, decided I was

1821
01:41:25,960 --> 01:41:27,439
Speaker 1: going to make this my top five list. Have a

1822
01:41:27,800 --> 01:41:31,759
Speaker 1: little lighter turn here, and before I taped my Gundhy

1823
01:41:32,080 --> 01:41:33,840
Speaker 1: of Oklahoma State, who I had number one on my

1824
01:41:33,960 --> 01:41:37,920
Speaker 1: list most likely not to return, was indeed shown the

1825
01:41:38,000 --> 01:41:42,599
Speaker 1: door at Oklahoma State. Former quarterback for Oklahoma State, winning

1826
01:41:42,600 --> 01:41:45,839
Speaker 1: his coach of all time in Oklahoma State. It's pretty

1827
01:41:45,840 --> 01:41:49,559
Speaker 1: clear that ever since T Boone Pickens passed away, he

1828
01:41:49,720 --> 01:41:52,639
Speaker 1: was the sugar daddy for that football program, the famous

1829
01:41:52,640 --> 01:41:56,400
Speaker 1: oil wildcatter. I guess you might call him T Boon

1830
01:41:56,680 --> 01:41:59,040
Speaker 1: just whatever, you know, T Boom just everybody knew who

1831
01:41:59,040 --> 01:42:02,000
Speaker 1: he was to a point there. They play on T.

1832
01:42:02,160 --> 01:42:04,280
Speaker 1: Boom Pickings Field for a reason. He paid for it.

1833
01:42:04,920 --> 01:42:07,519
Speaker 1: But he you know, when he was at the peak

1834
01:42:07,560 --> 01:42:11,360
Speaker 1: of his giving power to that football program, Oklahoma Stake

1835
01:42:11,479 --> 01:42:14,160
Speaker 1: came really close to breaking through into the elite. They

1836
01:42:14,200 --> 01:42:16,559
Speaker 1: never quite got there. He got a few ten win seasons.

1837
01:42:19,000 --> 01:42:23,880
Speaker 1: But I will say this, Mike Gandy, I'm going to

1838
01:42:24,040 --> 01:42:27,799
Speaker 1: miss one of my favorite all time rants. Mike Gundhy

1839
01:42:27,920 --> 01:42:30,840
Speaker 1: is There are a lot of and I may make

1840
01:42:30,920 --> 01:42:34,400
Speaker 1: this a top five lists, right Jim Morris Senior Playoffs,

1841
01:42:34,439 --> 01:42:37,240
Speaker 1: one of the great coaching rants, the late Dennis Green.

1842
01:42:37,760 --> 01:42:40,639
Speaker 1: They are who we thought they were. Well, Mike Gandy

1843
01:42:40,680 --> 01:42:42,840
Speaker 1: has one of the great coaching rants when he says

1844
01:42:43,000 --> 01:42:48,559
Speaker 1: I'm a man, I'm forty. If you've never heard or

1845
01:42:48,600 --> 01:42:51,000
Speaker 1: seen the rant, it's from a good fifteen years ago.

1846
01:42:51,040 --> 01:42:52,200
Speaker 1: Because I think he's in it. I think he and

1847
01:42:52,280 --> 01:42:53,720
Speaker 1: I are about the same age, so I think he's

1848
01:42:53,720 --> 01:42:58,160
Speaker 1: in his mid mid fifties these days. It's still a

1849
01:42:58,200 --> 01:43:01,640
Speaker 1: great uh everyone in a while, when people write in

1850
01:43:02,520 --> 01:43:05,479
Speaker 1: to my friend Tony Cornheiser's show, they like to say, Hey,

1851
01:43:05,600 --> 01:43:08,960
Speaker 1: I just became a man. I turned forty. It is

1852
01:43:09,000 --> 01:43:11,000
Speaker 1: one of my favorite rants. So if you have a

1853
01:43:11,040 --> 01:43:13,679
Speaker 1: few minutes and you've never heard it, go on YouTube

1854
01:43:14,280 --> 01:43:17,960
Speaker 1: Mike Gandy, I'm a man, I'm forty. Now. He actually

1855
01:43:18,000 --> 01:43:20,599
Speaker 1: was doing something that I agreed with at the time.

1856
01:43:21,120 --> 01:43:23,800
Speaker 1: He was beating up reporters for beating up college kids

1857
01:43:23,840 --> 01:43:26,439
Speaker 1: in the paper, like you know, saying come after me,

1858
01:43:26,720 --> 01:43:31,640
Speaker 1: I'm a man. So I actually empathized with what he

1859
01:43:31,720 --> 01:43:35,000
Speaker 1: was ranting about. And if I played for him as

1860
01:43:35,000 --> 01:43:36,960
Speaker 1: a player, i'd feel good that he had my back.

1861
01:43:37,040 --> 01:43:40,920
Speaker 1: So I actually think the rant is kind of empathetic,

1862
01:43:40,960 --> 01:43:43,400
Speaker 1: but it's an Alzheimer. But it means he's not on

1863
01:43:43,439 --> 01:43:45,880
Speaker 1: my list. So now I'm going to give you my

1864
01:43:45,920 --> 01:43:48,760
Speaker 1: top five list and people that barely didn't make it,

1865
01:43:48,800 --> 01:43:51,559
Speaker 1: and I think this is the order of most likely

1866
01:43:51,640 --> 01:43:54,400
Speaker 1: to lose their job before the end of the calendar year.

1867
01:43:54,760 --> 01:43:57,559
Speaker 1: Top five. I'm going to start my number one.

1868
01:43:57,600 --> 01:43:57,760
Speaker 2: Now.

1869
01:43:57,840 --> 01:43:59,600
Speaker 1: My number one was gandhy. My number one now is

1870
01:43:59,640 --> 01:44:02,519
Speaker 1: Mike mc daniel of the Miami Dolphins. And I know

1871
01:44:02,520 --> 01:44:04,840
Speaker 1: some of you go, how come that's not your favorite team?

1872
01:44:05,439 --> 01:44:07,600
Speaker 1: If you've heard me before, you know my dad was

1873
01:44:07,640 --> 01:44:10,040
Speaker 1: a Packer fan growing up, and yeah, he brainwashed me

1874
01:44:10,080 --> 01:44:13,800
Speaker 1: to be a Packer fan. He loved the Hurricanes but

1875
01:44:13,840 --> 01:44:15,679
Speaker 1: hated the Dolphins, and he used to blame the Dolphins

1876
01:44:15,720 --> 01:44:18,320
Speaker 1: for stealing concessions money at the Orange Bowl from the Hurricanes,

1877
01:44:18,479 --> 01:44:20,519
Speaker 1: which was true. By the way, the Dolphins are better

1878
01:44:20,600 --> 01:44:23,880
Speaker 1: landlords now to the Hurricanes at hard Rock Stadium than

1879
01:44:23,880 --> 01:44:27,200
Speaker 1: they ever were when they were our landlords at the

1880
01:44:27,200 --> 01:44:30,440
Speaker 1: Orange Bowl. By the way, just can we please build

1881
01:44:31,320 --> 01:44:34,320
Speaker 1: a University of Miami its own stadium at Tropical Park. Please, please, please.

1882
01:44:34,400 --> 01:44:37,240
Speaker 1: It's an obvious answer. Let's just get it done, everybody.

1883
01:44:37,280 --> 01:44:40,840
Speaker 1: Let's do it. Rakotovich, whoever's listening, Coach Crystal Ball, Please, guys,

1884
01:44:40,920 --> 01:44:43,320
Speaker 1: let's just build the stadium Tropical Park, you know where.

1885
01:44:43,360 --> 01:44:47,160
Speaker 1: It is not far from Campus Expressway. Oriented can still

1886
01:44:47,160 --> 01:44:49,120
Speaker 1: have some beautiful high school fields. It could be an

1887
01:44:49,160 --> 01:44:54,200
Speaker 1: incredible complex. Let's get her done on that. So anyway,

1888
01:44:54,200 --> 01:44:57,400
Speaker 1: Mike McDaniel, Miami Dolphins, Number one, does he even make

1889
01:44:57,439 --> 01:45:00,360
Speaker 1: it to Thanksgiving? Right? I think that's a fair question.

1890
01:45:00,680 --> 01:45:02,960
Speaker 1: My number two is also going to stick to the NFL,

1891
01:45:03,520 --> 01:45:06,000
Speaker 1: and it's to the head coach that's ruining one of

1892
01:45:06,040 --> 01:45:08,679
Speaker 1: my favorite new players in the NFL, my Man cam Ward,

1893
01:45:09,040 --> 01:45:12,599
Speaker 1: and it's Brian. I think it's Brian Callahan. I have

1894
01:45:12,640 --> 01:45:16,920
Speaker 1: to say, I'm loving the fact that Bill Simmons and

1895
01:45:17,120 --> 01:45:21,360
Speaker 1: cousin sal are referring to Callahan as Tommy Boy, noting

1896
01:45:21,439 --> 01:45:23,599
Speaker 1: that it was Callahan auto parts if you remember all

1897
01:45:23,640 --> 01:45:25,479
Speaker 1: of that business back in the Tommy Boy day. So

1898
01:45:25,479 --> 01:45:27,280
Speaker 1: they're referring to him as Tommy Boy because he is

1899
01:45:27,640 --> 01:45:29,240
Speaker 1: the son of a coach who was a lot more

1900
01:45:29,280 --> 01:45:36,000
Speaker 1: successful than so far this coach, Kyllahan, has been. He

1901
01:45:37,120 --> 01:45:40,200
Speaker 1: cam Ward's running for his life. They put him in

1902
01:45:40,240 --> 01:45:43,720
Speaker 1: all sorts of bad situations. There's no doubt. I do

1903
01:45:43,800 --> 01:45:48,080
Speaker 1: think that that they probably know they've got there. They

1904
01:45:48,120 --> 01:45:50,080
Speaker 1: don't have the right coach for the talent that they

1905
01:45:50,120 --> 01:45:52,879
Speaker 1: have in cam Ward. I think they're going to quickly

1906
01:45:53,200 --> 01:45:55,639
Speaker 1: realize they need to get a better coach in there

1907
01:45:55,680 --> 01:45:59,320
Speaker 1: and in their fast so that they don't waste so

1908
01:45:59,479 --> 01:46:03,120
Speaker 1: essentially Camore doesn't turn into Trevor Lawrence. So he's my

1909
01:46:03,200 --> 01:46:05,519
Speaker 1: number two. My number three is out of the college ranks,

1910
01:46:06,400 --> 01:46:09,320
Speaker 1: and I think it's Luke Fickle of Wisconsin. I do

1911
01:46:09,400 --> 01:46:11,280
Speaker 1: not think he makes it to the rest of the year.

1912
01:46:11,320 --> 01:46:13,800
Speaker 1: He might make the end of the season, but this

1913
01:46:14,080 --> 01:46:16,479
Speaker 1: is a football team that has taken a step backwards.

1914
01:46:16,479 --> 01:46:20,120
Speaker 1: Wisconsin football is another one like Oklahoma State. It gets

1915
01:46:20,280 --> 01:46:22,880
Speaker 1: so close to breaking into that top tier. They're sort

1916
01:46:22,920 --> 01:46:26,680
Speaker 1: of almost. They were almost there under Billimah, Right, it

1917
01:46:26,760 --> 01:46:29,599
Speaker 1: came so close of breaking into the Ohio State Michigan

1918
01:46:29,640 --> 01:46:32,160
Speaker 1: category of the Big Ten. And they were, you know,

1919
01:46:32,760 --> 01:46:35,519
Speaker 1: not always kind of on the outside looking in, always

1920
01:46:35,560 --> 01:46:37,599
Speaker 1: a game away, maybe even would pull it up set

1921
01:46:37,840 --> 01:46:39,760
Speaker 1: over in Ohio State every now and then, but could

1922
01:46:39,880 --> 01:46:43,280
Speaker 1: never do it both in Ohio State or at Penn

1923
01:46:43,320 --> 01:46:45,320
Speaker 1: State in the same year. Or they blow a dumb

1924
01:46:45,360 --> 01:46:50,080
Speaker 1: game against Iowa or Minnesota, you know, when one of

1925
01:46:50,080 --> 01:46:52,640
Speaker 1: those old trophy games that the Big Ten has all

1926
01:46:52,680 --> 01:46:55,720
Speaker 1: over the place. Look, I thought Fickle was a good

1927
01:46:55,800 --> 01:46:57,960
Speaker 1: hire for Wisconsin when they hired him after he took

1928
01:46:58,120 --> 01:47:02,120
Speaker 1: University of Cincinnati to to the College Football Playoff. That

1929
01:47:02,160 --> 01:47:05,680
Speaker 1: team produced all sorts of NFL talent. I don't know

1930
01:47:05,720 --> 01:47:08,919
Speaker 1: what's going on, whether it's bringing in the wrong offense,

1931
01:47:08,960 --> 01:47:12,840
Speaker 1: sort of moving away from building your football team from

1932
01:47:12,880 --> 01:47:14,880
Speaker 1: the inside out. I mean, one thing Wisconsin used to

1933
01:47:14,880 --> 01:47:18,320
Speaker 1: have was an incredible offensive line that always sent guys

1934
01:47:18,360 --> 01:47:21,200
Speaker 1: to the NFL. That also created all sorts of great

1935
01:47:21,240 --> 01:47:23,280
Speaker 1: running backs that also seem to always make it in

1936
01:47:23,320 --> 01:47:26,720
Speaker 1: the NFL. They kind of lost their identity and they

1937
01:47:26,760 --> 01:47:29,479
Speaker 1: didn't know how to and then I think now they

1938
01:47:29,479 --> 01:47:33,040
Speaker 1: need to rebuild it a little bit, and Fickle is

1939
01:47:33,160 --> 01:47:35,800
Speaker 1: likely to succeed somewhere else. This is just not a

1940
01:47:36,600 --> 01:47:39,120
Speaker 1: Sometimes you have two good people that are just not

1941
01:47:39,160 --> 01:47:41,200
Speaker 1: going to make a good marriage. And I have a

1942
01:47:41,240 --> 01:47:43,519
Speaker 1: feeling that looks like Luke Fickle in Wisconsin football are

1943
01:47:43,520 --> 01:47:46,040
Speaker 1: not a good marriage. So he's number three. Number four

1944
01:47:46,080 --> 01:47:50,840
Speaker 1: on my list is Dabo is And this is one

1945
01:47:50,840 --> 01:47:55,800
Speaker 1: of those where the hardest thing for any football team

1946
01:47:56,680 --> 01:47:59,200
Speaker 1: program that succeeds right. We saw it with Bill Belichick

1947
01:47:59,240 --> 01:48:02,360
Speaker 1: and the Patriot. We saw with Don shul and the

1948
01:48:02,400 --> 01:48:05,599
Speaker 1: Dolphins when I in the in the in the mid nineties,

1949
01:48:06,360 --> 01:48:09,719
Speaker 1: is how long you know, what kind of shelf life

1950
01:48:09,760 --> 01:48:12,720
Speaker 1: does your success, what kind of you know? How much

1951
01:48:12,760 --> 01:48:17,000
Speaker 1: does your previous success? You know how much leeway does

1952
01:48:17,040 --> 01:48:20,920
Speaker 1: that give you to have mediocrity going forward? Right? Eventually,

1953
01:48:21,000 --> 01:48:23,679
Speaker 1: Texas sort of got tired of mac Brown not playing

1954
01:48:23,680 --> 01:48:26,519
Speaker 1: for title games, even though he brought a national title

1955
01:48:26,560 --> 01:48:28,439
Speaker 1: to a school that hadn't had a national title in

1956
01:48:29,040 --> 01:48:34,840
Speaker 1: over thirty years. The Patriots six Super Bowls, but the

1957
01:48:34,920 --> 01:48:37,439
Speaker 1: last couple of years without Brady didn't look really good

1958
01:48:37,439 --> 01:48:39,479
Speaker 1: at all and didn't look like they were making any progress.

1959
01:48:40,000 --> 01:48:41,920
Speaker 1: And this is one It's sort of like when you

1960
01:48:42,000 --> 01:48:48,320
Speaker 1: see marriages run their course, right, relationships can run their course.

1961
01:48:49,360 --> 01:48:53,040
Speaker 1: It's possible Dabo and Clemson are just simply run their course.

1962
01:48:54,960 --> 01:48:57,680
Speaker 1: Could I see Dabo going to a place like UCLA

1963
01:48:58,040 --> 01:49:00,479
Speaker 1: and rebuilding it from the bottom up and giving them

1964
01:49:00,479 --> 01:49:03,639
Speaker 1: a new identity and culture. Dabo strikes me as somebody

1965
01:49:03,640 --> 01:49:07,800
Speaker 1: that knows how to build a culture where culture's been lost, right.

1966
01:49:08,880 --> 01:49:12,680
Speaker 1: I think in some ways he struggled to pivot to

1967
01:49:12,720 --> 01:49:16,400
Speaker 1: the new environment. He's fallen behind, and all of a sudden,

1968
01:49:16,439 --> 01:49:18,960
Speaker 1: it's really hard to catch up when you've set the

1969
01:49:19,000 --> 01:49:22,200
Speaker 1: bar as high as he did, and he really did.

1970
01:49:23,240 --> 01:49:26,400
Speaker 1: So it just feels like this is one of those

1971
01:49:26,439 --> 01:49:29,400
Speaker 1: where it's in the again, like fickle. This might be

1972
01:49:29,400 --> 01:49:32,719
Speaker 1: in the best interest of both parties here, right, Dabo

1973
01:49:32,760 --> 01:49:34,720
Speaker 1: could use a fresh start, take a year off, go

1974
01:49:34,840 --> 01:49:40,519
Speaker 1: somewhere else, and Clemson can go bring in somebody a

1975
01:49:40,560 --> 01:49:43,880
Speaker 1: bit younger that's ready to just you know that will

1976
01:49:43,920 --> 01:49:46,439
Speaker 1: just embrace the new era of college sports and how

1977
01:49:46,479 --> 01:49:51,000
Speaker 1: it works, and you know, not ignore one side or

1978
01:49:51,040 --> 01:49:53,640
Speaker 1: the other. It's no doubt Dabo's stuck it. And you

1979
01:49:53,680 --> 01:49:56,160
Speaker 1: by the way, I watched a lot of College Game

1980
01:49:56,240 --> 01:49:58,639
Speaker 1: Day this last week on purpose because I was trying

1981
01:49:58,640 --> 01:50:00,880
Speaker 1: to see if you know that the University of Miami.

1982
01:50:00,960 --> 01:50:03,720
Speaker 1: My daughter was all excited about it. She was in there,

1983
01:50:03,760 --> 01:50:07,200
Speaker 1: so we caught her a few times on the broadcast.

1984
01:50:07,960 --> 01:50:10,240
Speaker 1: But they did a whole segment on this, and it

1985
01:50:10,280 --> 01:50:12,040
Speaker 1: felt like Nick Saban was saying, Hey, if you don't

1986
01:50:12,080 --> 01:50:13,559
Speaker 1: like it, you should walk. If you don't like this

1987
01:50:13,640 --> 01:50:16,880
Speaker 1: new system, you know, you either adopt or die. Right,

1988
01:50:17,080 --> 01:50:19,639
Speaker 1: Saban decided he was too old to adapt to another

1989
01:50:19,640 --> 01:50:21,280
Speaker 1: way of doing business and he was done and he

1990
01:50:21,320 --> 01:50:23,439
Speaker 1: wasn't going to do it this way. I think Mike

1991
01:50:23,479 --> 01:50:27,519
Speaker 1: Krzyzewski made that decision in college basketball, and you sort

1992
01:50:27,520 --> 01:50:30,760
Speaker 1: of get it right. You got to know, if you

1993
01:50:30,880 --> 01:50:33,840
Speaker 1: can't do that, it's and I'm going to guess, you know,

1994
01:50:35,760 --> 01:50:38,840
Speaker 1: if Dabo, if he says I'm going to change and

1995
01:50:38,840 --> 01:50:40,640
Speaker 1: I'm willing to do this, Clemson's going to give them

1996
01:50:40,640 --> 01:50:44,960
Speaker 1: the benefit of doubt. I'm just not sure we're in

1997
01:50:45,000 --> 01:50:48,439
Speaker 1: that space right there. So I've Dabo at four and

1998
01:50:48,479 --> 01:50:51,559
Speaker 1: now I got to put Billy Napier at five. Of

1999
01:50:51,600 --> 01:50:55,160
Speaker 1: the Florida Cators, I have a few other people receiving votes.

2000
01:50:55,200 --> 01:50:58,639
Speaker 1: I think the Raheem Morse the Atlanta Falcons, and Demiko

2001
01:50:58,720 --> 01:51:01,400
Speaker 1: Ryans of the Houston Texas both Ozero and three starts.

2002
01:51:02,280 --> 01:51:06,360
Speaker 1: You've got a quarterback that you thought were going to

2003
01:51:06,400 --> 01:51:09,559
Speaker 1: be good who aren't good. What's going on there? I

2004
01:51:09,600 --> 01:51:13,320
Speaker 1: think if you told me both the Texans and the

2005
01:51:13,360 --> 01:51:15,439
Speaker 1: Falcons had new head coaches for the start of next

2006
01:51:15,439 --> 01:51:20,400
Speaker 1: season wouldn't completely surprise me. But it also if you

2007
01:51:20,439 --> 01:51:22,320
Speaker 1: told me they each got one more year. I definitely

2008
01:51:22,400 --> 01:51:25,599
Speaker 1: think in the Rahie mor situation, he's got an older owner.

2009
01:51:25,800 --> 01:51:27,760
Speaker 1: It's the same issue with Mike McDaniel Steve Ross. He's

2010
01:51:27,800 --> 01:51:30,640
Speaker 1: got an older owner and Arthur Blank who's desperate to

2011
01:51:30,680 --> 01:51:34,160
Speaker 1: watch his team win a Super Bowl, and he may

2012
01:51:34,160 --> 01:51:36,759
Speaker 1: be a bit quick with the trigger. Uh trigger finger

2013
01:51:36,760 --> 01:51:38,679
Speaker 1: there on that. So those are two that are others

2014
01:51:38,760 --> 01:51:41,559
Speaker 1: receiving votes. But my number five is Billy Napier because

2015
01:51:41,600 --> 01:51:45,320
Speaker 1: I just know understand how the world of Florida Gator

2016
01:51:45,360 --> 01:51:48,680
Speaker 1: football works. Right, They're never satisfied. This is they have

2017
01:51:48,760 --> 01:51:52,840
Speaker 1: fired twice. They have fired ten win coaches. By the way,

2018
01:51:52,920 --> 01:51:56,160
Speaker 1: Dan Mullen, who's over at UNLV, a former Florida Gators coach,

2019
01:51:56,160 --> 01:51:57,080
Speaker 1: I think, is undefeated.

2020
01:51:57,120 --> 01:51:57,200
Speaker 2: Now.

2021
01:51:57,280 --> 01:51:59,439
Speaker 1: Look, he was not considered the best recruiter at a

2022
01:51:59,439 --> 01:52:01,960
Speaker 1: time when we're recruiting was at a premium, especially in

2023
01:52:02,000 --> 01:52:05,439
Speaker 1: as competitive of a state as Florida is for college football.

2024
01:52:06,400 --> 01:52:08,519
Speaker 1: There's just a ton of impatience and a ton of money,

2025
01:52:08,600 --> 01:52:12,679
Speaker 1: and that combination means you'll find the buyout numbers four billion.

2026
01:52:12,760 --> 01:52:15,439
Speaker 1: The fact you know they could have do I think

2027
01:52:15,479 --> 01:52:18,040
Speaker 1: that he could? You know, I think he could coach

2028
01:52:18,080 --> 01:52:21,280
Speaker 1: his way out off the hot seat because I think

2029
01:52:21,760 --> 01:52:26,479
Speaker 1: there are some Gator boosters who realized they've given them

2030
01:52:26,520 --> 01:52:32,000
Speaker 1: on coaches too soon. But you know the problem is

2031
01:52:32,280 --> 01:52:34,679
Speaker 1: you can't be perpetually on the hot seat and think

2032
01:52:34,680 --> 01:52:39,040
Speaker 1: that recruiting's going to go well. Right, everybody reads these

2033
01:52:39,920 --> 01:52:43,960
Speaker 1: message boards. Everybody knows what's going on in the behind

2034
01:52:44,000 --> 01:52:49,000
Speaker 1: the scenes in these programs. So I will say this,

2035
01:52:49,439 --> 01:52:54,320
Speaker 1: if if Florida's gonna, you know, they they do they

2036
01:52:54,320 --> 01:52:57,240
Speaker 1: go Dabo, right, they ought to go big? Do they

2037
01:52:57,280 --> 01:53:01,960
Speaker 1: go after Lane Kiffen. I do think that unless they

2038
01:53:02,680 --> 01:53:07,320
Speaker 1: it's possible that the Billy Napier's job is saved, because

2039
01:53:07,360 --> 01:53:10,200
Speaker 1: they're not going to do this unless they know they

2040
01:53:10,200 --> 01:53:14,920
Speaker 1: can get just a huge splash, giant name type of

2041
01:53:14,960 --> 01:53:17,479
Speaker 1: thing that could that can you know, the only two

2042
01:53:17,560 --> 01:53:19,880
Speaker 1: times they've had success is when they did get the

2043
01:53:19,960 --> 01:53:25,120
Speaker 1: giant name, right, Steve Spurrier uh on that front. And

2044
01:53:25,680 --> 01:53:29,439
Speaker 1: of course Urban Meyer. Sorry I'm always used to calling

2045
01:53:29,479 --> 01:53:32,280
Speaker 1: him the urban myth, but at the inner city of Florida,

2046
01:53:32,280 --> 01:53:34,639
Speaker 1: he was. He was certainly in Ohio State. Can't sit

2047
01:53:34,680 --> 01:53:38,080
Speaker 1: there and say he wasn't successful in college football. Those

2048
01:53:38,080 --> 01:53:40,720
Speaker 1: are only only two real successful long term runs that

2049
01:53:40,760 --> 01:53:43,200
Speaker 1: they've had, and it's when they've they've had the big

2050
01:53:43,240 --> 01:53:46,920
Speaker 1: splash with sort of the big coach. You know, maybe

2051
01:53:46,920 --> 01:53:49,040
Speaker 1: they go after the Texas Tech guy who's apparently a

2052
01:53:49,080 --> 01:53:53,840
Speaker 1: recruiting maven. Florida's got that kind of wealth, uh. And

2053
01:53:53,920 --> 01:53:57,439
Speaker 1: so that's why I do think they will be careful

2054
01:53:57,479 --> 01:54:00,000
Speaker 1: with this one because they're getting a reputation of firing

2055
01:54:00,080 --> 01:54:03,240
Speaker 1: coaches too often and too many of them. But anyway,

2056
01:54:03,240 --> 01:54:08,960
Speaker 1: there's my top five list, McDaniel, Callahan, Fickle, Dabo, and Billy.

2057
01:54:09,800 --> 01:54:12,439
Speaker 1: We shall see how many of those five make it

2058
01:54:12,479 --> 01:54:14,880
Speaker 1: to the end of the calendar year. If Steven A.

2059
01:54:14,920 --> 01:54:17,559
Speaker 1: Smith can do politics, I can do sports every now

2060
01:54:17,600 --> 01:54:19,160
Speaker 1: and then. All right, with that, let me take a

2061
01:54:19,200 --> 01:54:24,320
Speaker 1: few questions, ask Chuck. All right, I'm going to try

2062
01:54:24,320 --> 01:54:28,439
Speaker 1: to do three or four here, not to overload you.

2063
01:54:28,439 --> 01:54:30,280
Speaker 1: I know I'm getting for those of you that listens

2064
01:54:30,280 --> 01:54:32,560
Speaker 1: separately here, this is going to an hour. I'm going

2065
01:54:32,600 --> 01:54:34,640
Speaker 1: to try to go no more than ten minutes with

2066
01:54:34,720 --> 01:54:38,000
Speaker 1: these questions. First one comes from Chris k and he writes, Chuck,

2067
01:54:38,040 --> 01:54:40,440
Speaker 1: my question is hopefully light, but we'll see where you

2068
01:54:40,480 --> 01:54:43,280
Speaker 1: take it. Over the past year, the phrase writ large

2069
01:54:43,600 --> 01:54:46,080
Speaker 1: seems to have taken over podcasts and news shows. I

2070
01:54:46,120 --> 01:54:49,080
Speaker 1: hear it everywhere, and it's distracting, like that Full Metal

2071
01:54:49,120 --> 01:54:51,440
Speaker 1: Jacket scene where the editor swaps search and Destroyer for

2072
01:54:51,600 --> 01:54:54,440
Speaker 1: sweep and clear. Am I imagining things or is writ

2073
01:54:54,520 --> 01:54:57,360
Speaker 1: large having a moment? And have you ever been given

2074
01:54:57,400 --> 01:55:00,120
Speaker 1: specific newsroom guidance on language like that, or have your

2075
01:55:00,120 --> 01:55:06,480
Speaker 1: own pet peeve phrase phrases from interviews Chris K. Gohawks.

2076
01:55:07,960 --> 01:55:13,440
Speaker 1: I've not noticed the rint large thing, but but I will,

2077
01:55:13,760 --> 01:55:16,640
Speaker 1: I will, I will concede the point that we're starting.

2078
01:55:16,760 --> 01:55:19,520
Speaker 1: I guess people are looking for different ways of saying

2079
01:55:20,320 --> 01:55:24,040
Speaker 1: et cetera. Maybe maybe that's what they're looking for, the

2080
01:55:24,040 --> 01:55:27,880
Speaker 1: writ large moment. But I'll give you two quick little

2081
01:55:28,160 --> 01:55:32,960
Speaker 1: examples of the language police that I dealt with. And

2082
01:55:33,280 --> 01:55:36,800
Speaker 1: how a tick that I have that some of you

2083
01:55:36,880 --> 01:55:40,200
Speaker 1: may already know if you've followed my career on television

2084
01:55:40,240 --> 01:55:43,879
Speaker 1: over the last twenty years, and that is I have

2085
01:55:43,920 --> 01:55:46,480
Speaker 1: successfully gotten rid of ums and ahs. Right, that's always

2086
01:55:46,520 --> 01:55:49,280
Speaker 1: the first attempt when you're doing television. You don't want

2087
01:55:49,280 --> 01:55:52,040
Speaker 1: to get caught saying and awe. But sometimes you need

2088
01:55:52,080 --> 01:55:54,640
Speaker 1: a second to think and to put a thought together

2089
01:55:54,720 --> 01:55:58,000
Speaker 1: before you utter a sentence. And I do have a

2090
01:55:58,080 --> 01:56:01,080
Speaker 1: crutch where I use one word more than any of them.

2091
01:56:01,280 --> 01:56:03,000
Speaker 1: And if you know me, well you'll know what word

2092
01:56:03,040 --> 01:56:07,160
Speaker 1: it is. It is look. And I remember I don't

2093
01:56:07,600 --> 01:56:10,120
Speaker 1: I remember suddenly noticing that I was using the word

2094
01:56:10,160 --> 01:56:13,160
Speaker 1: look a lot because I noticed that Barack Obama used

2095
01:56:13,280 --> 01:56:17,160
Speaker 1: look a lot and it was we and I don't know,

2096
01:56:17,440 --> 01:56:21,760
Speaker 1: maybe covering him. I started using it as as hearing

2097
01:56:21,800 --> 01:56:24,600
Speaker 1: it and using it, but I noticed how he used it,

2098
01:56:24,760 --> 01:56:27,360
Speaker 1: which was it was there was always a long pause

2099
01:56:27,400 --> 01:56:32,120
Speaker 1: after look. It was a thinking word, and that's how

2100
01:56:32,160 --> 01:56:37,720
Speaker 1: I've used a look. The reason I use a word

2101
01:56:37,880 --> 01:56:41,760
Speaker 1: like that is so that I don't on well, you know,

2102
01:56:42,240 --> 01:56:44,040
Speaker 1: like right, you don't want any of those things. When

2103
01:56:44,080 --> 01:56:46,280
Speaker 1: I first started doing some C Span hits back in

2104
01:56:46,320 --> 01:56:50,200
Speaker 1: my old hotline days that you know's the ums, all

2105
01:56:50,200 --> 01:56:52,480
Speaker 1: of that was happening quite a bit because there was

2106
01:56:52,480 --> 01:56:56,880
Speaker 1: always this fear of letting there be dead air. And

2107
01:56:57,440 --> 01:56:59,800
Speaker 1: you know, one of the things about dead air is

2108
01:57:00,720 --> 01:57:06,800
Speaker 1: that you, the listener or watcher, do not notice a

2109
01:57:06,880 --> 01:57:10,080
Speaker 1: second of dead air the way those of us on

2110
01:57:10,120 --> 01:57:12,960
Speaker 1: the other side notice it. We think a second of

2111
01:57:12,960 --> 01:57:15,640
Speaker 1: dead air sounds like a minute of dead air, and

2112
01:57:15,720 --> 01:57:18,919
Speaker 1: so there's this immediate instinct to fill it with something.

2113
01:57:19,600 --> 01:57:22,920
Speaker 1: You know, A verbal tick will do that, right, you know,

2114
01:57:23,120 --> 01:57:27,560
Speaker 1: and awe a look. So that's an example of one

2115
01:57:27,600 --> 01:57:32,440
Speaker 1: way of I don't think I'd do it large, but

2116
01:57:32,520 --> 01:57:34,880
Speaker 1: I do think I know I lean on the word

2117
01:57:35,000 --> 01:57:39,040
Speaker 1: look when I'm in a reactive or responsive situation. When

2118
01:57:39,040 --> 01:57:41,640
Speaker 1: I'm a guest on a show, somebody else's show, and

2119
01:57:41,640 --> 01:57:43,000
Speaker 1: I'm being asked a question that I don't know what

2120
01:57:43,040 --> 01:57:46,520
Speaker 1: I'm going to be asked, I will lean on that

2121
01:57:46,640 --> 01:57:52,760
Speaker 1: crutch of look as far as language police stuff that is,

2122
01:57:53,040 --> 01:57:55,480
Speaker 1: I will tell you one example where I've always had

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Speaker 1: a clash with my standards, whoever was in charge of standards.

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Speaker 1: And I say it with love. I love my standard,

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Speaker 1: I love the team at Standards that I worked with

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Speaker 1: the entire time I was at NBC. But it would

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Speaker 1: be over the issue of abortion. You know. The AP

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Speaker 1: style guide said that you should always refer to as

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Speaker 1: abortion rights activists and anti abortion rights activists. I came

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Speaker 1: of a I came of age, and I started writing

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Speaker 1: about politics in the early nineties, and I worked for

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Speaker 1: an organization that had a separate newsletter called the Abortion Report.

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Speaker 1: Was at the Hotline, and we covered the politics of

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Speaker 1: reproductive rights. And we had a policy that said, we

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Speaker 1: are going to call each side what they want to

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Speaker 1: be called pro The pro abortion right side wanted pro choice,

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Speaker 1: the anti abortion right side wanted pro life. Each side

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Speaker 1: didn't like that we used the other side's language, which

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Speaker 1: we thought was the fairest way to do it. This

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Speaker 1: is who they want to how they want to be portrayed,

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Speaker 1: and and you know, look, language matters. The choice of

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Speaker 1: words you take can end a message of bias in

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Speaker 1: one way or the other. Simply you know, that word

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Speaker 1: anti can be just negative and it come across it.

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Speaker 1: It's a negative to be anti abortion rights, right, That's

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Speaker 1: why they wanted to be referred on the pro life side.

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Speaker 1: And why did they say choice because they didn't want

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Speaker 1: to imply that they were pro abortion right right. The

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Speaker 1: right wanted to call it pro abortion. The left want

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Speaker 1: to call it anti anti rights. So that's always been

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Speaker 1: something my I consistently would just sit with pro choice,

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Speaker 1: pro life, and that's how I referred because that's what

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Speaker 1: they wanted to be referred to as on each side.

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Speaker 1: And that's still my instinct when it comes to descriptions

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Speaker 1: and sort of issues that are that divisive like that,

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Speaker 1: that if there's an if the advocates have sort of

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Speaker 1: accepted language, I'm comfortable using their language, noting it's their language,

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Speaker 1: especially if there feels that there's you know that that

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Speaker 1: that each side of that debate has a specific language,

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Speaker 1: and you know, the people that would complain are the

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Speaker 1: ones that want me to essentially put my finger on

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Speaker 1: the scale for one side or the other. And I

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Speaker 1: just use that example because you said I could. You

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Speaker 1: didn't know where I was going to take it, So

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Speaker 1: I still don't think to this day now I think

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Speaker 1: it's I think, frankly, the divide now is between access

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Speaker 1: and are you for access to abortion or against access?

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Speaker 1: Pro access anti? So I do think the whole thing

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Speaker 1: is a little bit even more convoluted of what language

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Speaker 1: you use to describe the situation. I think you try.

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Speaker 1: I accept the premise of using as neutral of a word,

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Speaker 1: neutral of words as possible. I am careful the anti as.

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Speaker 1: Just using the word anti, I think introduces prejudicial language

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Speaker 1: to one side of the argument, even if that is

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Speaker 1: not the intent, which is why I've been sent I

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Speaker 1: get a bit sensitive on that, so I just wanted

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Speaker 1: to I thought i'd share that thinking with you. I'm

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Speaker 1: not saying that I'm right about this, and people have

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Speaker 1: thoughts and ideas on it. I am all ears all right.

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Speaker 1: Next question, Hi, Chuck. I'm a thirty seven year old

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Speaker 1: former pastor and writer filmmaker whose political outlook was shaped

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Speaker 1: by you and Tim Russell. I've tried to live by

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Speaker 1: a moderate temperament, but I'm increasingly troubled by legacy media's

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Speaker 1: muted response to what feels like authoritarian behavior from the

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Speaker 1: Trump administration. Do you think journalists who stay silent, especially

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Speaker 1: the CBSABC or NBC, are showing cowardice? Do you see

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Speaker 1: a better way to defend democratic values outside of urging

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Speaker 1: each other to speak out? Andrew Kay, Well, look, I

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Speaker 1: am I am disappointed in the lack of support the

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Speaker 1: current large corporate entities that own so many of these

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Speaker 1: news divisions right now are giving to their journalists. I

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Speaker 1: am glad that I was there when I felt as

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Speaker 1: if I could speak out like I did when I

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Speaker 1: thought our network made a mistake in selling an interview

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Speaker 1: with a paid contributor before before they were ever vetted

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Speaker 1: in ron A Romney. I didn't get fired for that,

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Speaker 1: right they They didn't push me out. They sort of

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Speaker 1: you know so. And I wasn't banned from any part

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Speaker 1: of NBC from speaking or anything like that. I felt

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Speaker 1: as if I did. I was in an environment that

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Speaker 1: supported that. I am concerned that nobody at these networks

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Speaker 1: feels like they have that kind of support just look

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Speaker 1: at the examples. We know it's not true. At ABC,

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Speaker 1: look what they did to George Stephanopolis, right, they allowed

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Speaker 1: a bogus lawsuit to be to essentially humiliate the news

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Speaker 1: division unfairly. CBS did the same thing by not standing

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Speaker 1: by sixty minutes with its editorial decisions. So I am

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Speaker 1: concerned that right now. It's why I don't I'm not

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Speaker 1: going to criticize the journalists in any of these networks

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Speaker 1: right now because of how it does appear that some

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Speaker 1: management is being a bit more aggressive, a bit more.

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Speaker 1: It's not an easy situation. You know, you can sit

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Speaker 1: there and say, well, why don't they quit or why

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Speaker 1: don't they do this? Well, you know what, they have

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Speaker 1: a mortgage to pay, they have kids in school, I

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Speaker 1: and you know there's an argument to be made that

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Speaker 1: their experience is necessary to navigate these choppy waters. So

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Speaker 1: I am concerned about it. I thought one of the

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Speaker 1: things that we needed to do better in all of

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Speaker 1: media is to be more direct and blunt and not

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Speaker 1: round the edges so much. And I think if you

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Speaker 1: could criticize me and others for anything, is our attempts

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Speaker 1: sometimes at rounding the edges too often on some stories

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Speaker 1: because this isn't authoritarianism, This is aggressively you know, things

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Speaker 1: like that. I do think you get. I do think

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Speaker 1: words matter, though, and that if you want to reach

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Speaker 1: the broadest possible people, then you don't want to use

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Speaker 1: words that you know, antagonize one side or the other politically,

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Speaker 1: if your attempt is to convey a message that's broader

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Speaker 1: than a political than taking a political side. So I

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Speaker 1: agree that it feels a bit muted, but I really

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Speaker 1: think this isn't about the journalists. This is about their

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Speaker 1: bosses and these parent companies. And it goes back to

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Speaker 1: what I said at the start of this podcast that look,

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Speaker 1: I trust the voters at this point to be the

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Speaker 1: bulwark against this because it's clear corporate America isn't it's

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Speaker 1: clear the Supreme Court isn't. It's clear Congress isn't. Right.

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Speaker 1: The only backbone that is left that matters is the

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Speaker 1: American voter. By the way, it's the only backbone that

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Speaker 1: has always mattered. Ultimately, you know, the more backbone the

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Speaker 1: voter shows, the more backbone reactionary backbone. That corporate entities

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Speaker 1: will grow, that academic institutions will grow, and that different

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Speaker 1: branches of government will grow on that front, all right

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Speaker 1: very quickly. Here third one, Hey, this isn't a this

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Speaker 1: is just a comment, and I'm sent a picture. Let's

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Speaker 1: see here if I can somehow I will. I'm going

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Speaker 1: to do my best to show the picture. Look at

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Speaker 1: this sort of real technology. Somebody just wanted to send

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Speaker 1: me an example of shrinkflation at Costco. What you are

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Speaker 1: staring at? There, he goes, You've experienced chicken thigh shrinkflation

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Speaker 1: at Trader Joe's, but I have seen it at Costco.

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Speaker 1: Used to get thirty six raisors for about twenty five dollars,

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Speaker 1: now it's thirty for about thirty two dollars. Love the podcast, Bryant,

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Speaker 1: Thanks Brian. Anybody else experiencing new shrinkflation out there, please

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Speaker 1: do share those images and go ahead and share those numbers,

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Speaker 1: those anecdotes with me. I think they're all very helpful.

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Speaker 1: So with that, I've gone over an hour on the

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Speaker 1: non interview side of things. So even though there's about

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Speaker 1: four or five more great questions, I will get to

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Speaker 1: them on the next episode of the Check podcast, which

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Speaker 1: comes to you in just twenty four hours. So with that,

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Speaker 1: until we upload again,