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Speaker 1: I'm Manny, I'm Noah.

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Speaker 2: This is and this is no such thing the show

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Speaker 2: where we settle ardum arguments and yours by actually doing

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Speaker 2: the research. This week, maybe we don't appreciate seven footers enough.

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Speaker 2: And also the case for universal health care.

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Speaker 3: No, there's no no such thing, no such thing, no

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Speaker 1: Thank such thank so. We're in the midst of NBA Finals.

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Speaker 4: Boys, who's playing again?

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Speaker 1: The Indiana Pacers? Okay, who I will die for? Damn,

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Speaker 1: no one's ever said that's art in history.

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Speaker 2: Just you know, I've got twenty bucks on the line

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Speaker 2: and uh Oklahoma City Thunder. Okay, we're heavily favored until well,

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Speaker 2: we'll see. There's a stat that's floated around in basketball circles,

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Speaker 2: first in a twenty eleven sports Strated article by Pablo Torre,

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Speaker 2: and it also appears in David Epstein's book The Sports Gene.

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Speaker 2: The stat says that an American man between age twenty

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Speaker 2: and forty who is seven feet tall or more has

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Speaker 2: a seventeen percent probability of being in the NBA.

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Speaker 1: Seventeen percent. Yeah, oh my god. Thoughts on that that's huge.

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Speaker 4: That's crazy to me that you're in not even like.

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Speaker 1: It's not like you should be. It's not like you

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Speaker 4: It's not that you're playing basketball at a high level

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Speaker 4: that you a seventeen percent chance of being in the

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Speaker 4: NBA by just your height. Yeah, no other attributes about you.

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Speaker 4: You can be. You know, we're not saying athletic people

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Speaker 4: who are playing basketball who are seven feet tall. Just

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Speaker 4: like seven feet tall period, seventeen percent.

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Speaker 1: That's kind of my takeaway.

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Speaker 2: It's like, all right, yeah, no athletic ability necessarily, you're

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Speaker 2: just tall. You can just walk in there essentially if

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Speaker 2: it's like, I don't know if I've ever even met

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Speaker 2: a seven foot person, Like who's the tallest person? You know? Oh,

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Speaker 2: that's a like realistically, because then I was I was

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Speaker 2: going through I'm thinking of people. I'm like, Okay, this

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Speaker 2: as being like their main attribute in my mind is

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Speaker 2: being tall. And then I'm like, yeah, they're probably six',

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Speaker 2: five which is really, tall but, yeah not even close to.

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Speaker 4: Side, No, YEAH i definitely don't know any seven. FOOTERS

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Speaker 4: i think probably the tallest PERSON i know would be

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Speaker 4: probably six, four six.

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Speaker 5: Five it is such an insane height when you think about.

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Speaker 5: IT i have a photo of myself next To Lebron.

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Speaker 5: James oh, yeah and obviously he's like twice my, size

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Speaker 5: but he's like six' nine, i think so a seven

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Speaker 1: Than, lebron yeah like.

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Speaker 4: Seven insane so what's crazy to me about this STAT

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Speaker 4: is i was trying to think about what other sport

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Speaker 4: could you have one attribute that you would, Say this

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Speaker 4: if you just have, this attribute you would be we'll say. Ten,

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Speaker 4: percent yeah you know you're in. A, league yeah if

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Speaker 4: you just, have this you know you're a certain amount,

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Speaker 4: of pounds, your height even like. ARM length i don't

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Speaker 1: That's so, skill based but it's interesting that this is

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Speaker 5: Outlier, there YEAH and i think it's largely just because

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Speaker 5: the receptacle that you need to score in is, high

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Speaker 5: up and like in other sports that's not the case

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Speaker 5: the goal or.

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Speaker 1: Whatever is but the same level as.

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Speaker 4: Like track right you're running, a distance, you, think oh, having,

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Speaker 4: legs yeah gives you. An advantage but as we know,

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Speaker 4: Can you move how quickly can you?

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Speaker 5: USE them i know in soccer it used to be,

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Speaker 5: traffic essentially if you, were taller you're a little clunkier

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Speaker 2: Very attractive they don't realize maybe five seven is. Really,

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Speaker 5: I definitely i feel very strongly that people don't know

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Speaker 5: if you tell them women on dating Apps who i've

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Speaker 4: It's not some people have taller short. Energy, too well

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Speaker 2: Proportion, too, yes YES so i think that explained why

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Speaker 4: I was i didn't think you.

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Speaker 1: WERE taller i have skinny LITTLE that i thought you.

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Speaker 4: WERE tall i just thought you were a. Normal height.

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Speaker 1: We might need to, Cancel THIS.

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Speaker 2: So i really wanted to fact check the stat updated

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Speaker 2: to current day league status as BEST as. I can

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Speaker 2: i want to know how many seven footers there are

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Speaker 1: I want to talk to a seven footer whether or

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Speaker 2: out if that original statu is True that an american

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Speaker 2: man aged twenty to forty who's seven feet tall has

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Speaker 2: a seventeen percent probability of BEING. In the NBA but

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Speaker 2: out to a few researchers who have looked into heights.

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Speaker 1: IN various Ways I.

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Speaker 7: AM barry bogan i, am an anthropologist and my special

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Speaker 7: interest is human physical growth and development, and, how, social

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Speaker 7: economic political and emotional factors influence the way children grow

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Speaker 7: HUMAN growth and i Cite work by chinese matchmakers going

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Speaker 7: back centuries and height was sometimes the most important factor

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Speaker 7: in making. A successful match almost all societies are patriarchies

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Speaker 7: that the men want. To be dominant whether they are

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Speaker 7: of dominance out of all the presidents they've ever Been In,

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Speaker 2: bjorn he mentioned that height is an indicator of other factors.

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Speaker 8: indicator of living standards. Of a population so the average

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Speaker 8: height and especially changes in average height tell us how a.

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Speaker 8: Population is doing height is. Basically two things on, the one,

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Speaker 8: other hand it's claims on energy that you cannot. Use

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Speaker 2: TO grow taller a few things there, That stood out

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Speaker 7: Of ENERGY use when i grew up as an anthropology

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Speaker 2: So the study went like this in, nineteen forty six

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Speaker 7: What elsie widowson discovered was that the head matron disciplined

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Speaker 5: I have a personal Experience with tall Dutch people because

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Speaker 7: The AVERAGE in the us is like five ten and a,

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Speaker 7: one Average In. The United states european americans are a

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Speaker 7: that is because of the discrimination and inequality that Exists In.

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Speaker 7: there are, hundreds, of scientific medical sociological research articles. THAT

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Speaker 2: I wanted to know how much of height is based

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Speaker 1: So that's that's.

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Speaker 9: A Difficult question so i'll tell you what we know

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Speaker 2: That's chiomelett he's a professor Of genetics At. University of

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Speaker 9: If we look in a population again like you KNOW

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Speaker 9: distribution of height the variation across the population is largely.

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Speaker 9: Controlled by genetics so, it's not nutrition it's, not the.

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Speaker 9: Environment it's genetics it's what. We call irritability it gives

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Speaker 9: genetics so now. About your question it's true that if

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Speaker 9: she will not reach is, her, Full potential right so

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Speaker 9: so nutrition, has an impact but globally in the population.

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Speaker 2: Sum up it's roughly eighty percent genes versus twenty percent

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Speaker 2: how rare exactly? Is seven feet The answer extremely if

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Speaker 2: the average HEIGHT in the us for a man is

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Speaker 2: sixty nine, point three inches which is about five foot ten,

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Speaker 2: taller than ninety, Five percent of others so beyond that. It's,

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Speaker 2: really slim page plus many extremely tall people, suffer from

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Speaker 1: In the entire world.

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Speaker 2: So to, kind of sum up it's unclear exactly how

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Speaker 2: Seven footer, STATUS okay but yeah i thought this is

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Speaker 1: And, made ME you know now, i support you. Know

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Speaker 1: single payer healthcare finally.

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Speaker 2: You, DID it before yeah, i Was border, line, but i'm,

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Speaker 1: Of that why, NOT but next up i wanted to

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Speaker 2: Intel from a perspective so if you're a team lucky

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Speaker 2: Difference on the, court but before, THAT after much searching

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Speaker 3: Name is tom brian. I'm a music writer i'm The Senior.

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Speaker 3: somewhere around there I played basketball when. I was a

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Speaker 3: That oh every DAY the last time i had a

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Speaker 3: Being remembered that's nice it. Can be tricky sometimes it's

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Speaker 3: Clothes is difficult amazon You can shop on amazon by

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Speaker 3: if i wasn't able. To get, one beforehand you know people.

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Speaker 3: So they can't. AND i'm not sorry i think anything

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Speaker 3: Like oh my. God i'm SO handsome how do i

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Speaker 3: enthralled to things. That they can't control and this IS

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Speaker 3: a thing that i didn't do shit. To get this

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Speaker 3: that we feel kind of, weird about, it too you

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Speaker 1: What do you think about hearing, from the tall.

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Speaker 5: sounds like a huge obstacle. IN his everyday life i

439
00:22:57,119 --> 00:22:59,440
Speaker 5: had never even thought about how planes are not made.

440
00:22:59,560 --> 00:23:00,840
Speaker 1: For people, THAT tall Oh.

441
00:23:00,760 --> 00:23:04,520
Speaker 2: Yeah i mean I'm uncomfortable Ones and, i'm Saying i'm, sure,

442
00:23:05,440 --> 00:23:05,760
Speaker 2: like i'm.

443
00:23:05,800 --> 00:23:07,399
Speaker 1: LIKE damn this sucks i can't wait to. Get out of,

444
00:23:07,440 --> 00:23:09,320
Speaker 1: here and you know at least my knees.

445
00:23:09,040 --> 00:23:12,880
Speaker 2: Can fit behind the seatot the thing he said about, Just, everyone,

446
00:23:12,960 --> 00:23:14,560
Speaker 2: REMEMBERS him yeah yeah.

447
00:23:14,560 --> 00:23:18,280
Speaker 1: I would totally remember that's. A seven foot guy it

448
00:23:18,320 --> 00:23:18,720
Speaker 1: makes me.

449
00:23:18,680 --> 00:23:21,520
Speaker 5: Think about what because if people who are seven feet

450
00:23:21,520 --> 00:23:23,919
Speaker 5: tall don't like, being seven feet tall it makes me

451
00:23:23,920 --> 00:23:26,320
Speaker 5: think about what, Is the ideal height like if, everyone

452
00:23:26,359 --> 00:23:27,800
Speaker 5: got to choose it obviously.

453
00:23:27,880 --> 00:23:29,840
Speaker 1: Wouldn't BE seven feet if.

454
00:23:29,720 --> 00:23:31,760
Speaker 4: I had to pick i would. Say, LIKE six feet

455
00:23:32,240 --> 00:23:32,600
Speaker 4: yeah i.

456
00:23:32,600 --> 00:23:35,119
Speaker 1: THINK six six one i wouldn't want to go.

457
00:23:35,280 --> 00:23:37,520
Speaker 2: MUCH higher than that i think once you're once you're,

458
00:23:37,560 --> 00:23:41,080
Speaker 2: getting past sixty three it's then it seems like it could,

459
00:23:41,080 --> 00:23:43,120
Speaker 2: probably be. A, burden you know yeah.

460
00:23:43,400 --> 00:23:45,280
Speaker 5: Even it could become a part of your life. That, you,

461
00:23:45,280 --> 00:23:48,080
Speaker 5: don't care like yeah then everyone's like you're so tall all.

462
00:23:48,040 --> 00:23:50,920
Speaker 2: The time while you're hitting extreme level, height where, it's

463
00:23:50,920 --> 00:23:54,119
Speaker 2: like oh yeah this, tall guy looks, good, not Like

464
00:23:54,240 --> 00:23:56,280
Speaker 2: damn bro, The lakers NEED you like what i DO

465
00:23:56,359 --> 00:23:57,600
Speaker 2: to people, When i see them.

466
00:23:57,440 --> 00:23:58,520
Speaker 4: You don't want. You don't do.

467
00:23:58,560 --> 00:24:00,439
Speaker 1: THAT that'd be horrible i don't want to BE as.

468
00:24:00,440 --> 00:24:05,040
Speaker 2: Annoying as i am so now we know how many. Seven,

469
00:24:05,040 --> 00:24:07,959
Speaker 2: footers there are well we know how unknowable, it Is

470
00:24:08,080 --> 00:24:11,400
Speaker 2: at least but i'm curious about how valuable they are.

471
00:24:11,440 --> 00:24:12,880
Speaker 1: IN a basketball sense I Reach.

472
00:24:12,880 --> 00:24:15,600
Speaker 2: Out to owen PHILLIPS he writes the f five newsletter

473
00:24:15,800 --> 00:24:18,720
Speaker 2: and previously worked as a data ANALYTICS. Guy FOR the nick,

474
00:24:21,359 --> 00:24:23,399
Speaker 2: so i, asked Him first off how rare is a

475
00:24:23,400 --> 00:24:23,880
Speaker 2: true seven.

476
00:24:23,880 --> 00:24:25,800
Speaker 1: Footer in the league so if you.

477
00:24:25,760 --> 00:24:30,440
Speaker 10: Look at, the data this year there were thirty nine

478
00:24:30,520 --> 00:24:33,719
Speaker 10: players that are listed at. Seven feet or taller there

479
00:24:33,720 --> 00:24:36,280
Speaker 10: are five HUNDRED and, seventy five nba players so you're

480
00:24:36,320 --> 00:24:39,919
Speaker 10: looking at about SEVEN percent of the nba population is,

481
00:24:40,040 --> 00:24:40,639
Speaker 10: Seven feet or.

482
00:24:40,680 --> 00:24:43,960
Speaker 1: Taller so thirty, nine the tallest, player By The. Way

483
00:24:44,000 --> 00:24:44,320
Speaker 1: is zach.

484
00:24:44,480 --> 00:24:48,280
Speaker 2: Edy you just finished he just finished his Rookie Year,

485
00:24:48,280 --> 00:24:52,000
Speaker 2: for the memphis grizzlies and he's. Listed at seven four wemby. Is.

486
00:24:52,040 --> 00:24:54,919
Speaker 1: SEVEN to three. WOW i don't know i haven't looked at. Them,

487
00:24:54,920 --> 00:24:57,960
Speaker 1: SIDE by side wemby i. Guess, just looks lankier. Yeah.

488
00:24:57,960 --> 00:25:00,520
Speaker 2: HE'S so slimmy yeah i WANTED to if the nba

489
00:25:00,560 --> 00:25:02,199
Speaker 2: has been? Getting taller over time are we?

490
00:25:02,240 --> 00:25:02,400
Speaker 3: At?

491
00:25:02,400 --> 00:25:04,199
Speaker 1: Peak seven footer now we.

492
00:25:04,320 --> 00:25:06,560
Speaker 2: Have to be right so he says it depends on

493
00:25:06,560 --> 00:25:08,680
Speaker 2: when you're, compared the number two because if you looked at,

494
00:25:09,000 --> 00:25:14,800
Speaker 2: like seventy years ago when, it was you know other people, in.

495
00:25:14,760 --> 00:25:21,800
Speaker 1: The league whites it, was not, you. Know then yes definitely.

496
00:25:21,560 --> 00:25:23,040
Speaker 10: So if you look at it over the COURSE, of

497
00:25:23,040 --> 00:25:25,720
Speaker 10: the entire nba there are far more seven footers today

498
00:25:25,720 --> 00:25:28,879
Speaker 10: than there. Were seventy years ago but we are not.

499
00:25:28,920 --> 00:25:31,720
Speaker 10: A peak, seven footer in fact in the late, nineties

500
00:25:31,840 --> 00:25:34,480
Speaker 10: early two thousands there were over fifty SEVEN, Footers in

501
00:25:34,520 --> 00:25:37,200
Speaker 10: the nba and you can THINK about all the nba

502
00:25:37,280 --> 00:25:41,120
Speaker 10: players that basically had Jobs just. To Guard schequil O'Neil.

503
00:25:41,400 --> 00:25:43,720
Speaker 9: O neil puts, it on, the floor d stop then,

504
00:25:43,760 --> 00:25:44,960
Speaker 9: he put it down he.

505
00:25:45,119 --> 00:25:46,800
Speaker 2: Put the gold down.

506
00:25:48,720 --> 00:25:51,919
Speaker 10: Every, team needed a player sometimes two players to Be,

507
00:25:51,960 --> 00:25:55,120
Speaker 10: able to guard shack and so you had a proliferation

508
00:25:55,200 --> 00:25:56,960
Speaker 10: all these SEVEN footers in the. Nba at the time

509
00:25:57,240 --> 00:25:59,520
Speaker 10: so right now we're actually at a not, quite in

510
00:25:59,560 --> 00:26:01,960
Speaker 10: the deer but we're kind of on the upswing after

511
00:26:02,920 --> 00:26:04,720
Speaker 10: it hollowing out in the mid auts, for a little

512
00:26:04,760 --> 00:26:07,320
Speaker 10: while and now we're starting to see a resurgent of

513
00:26:07,400 --> 00:26:09,720
Speaker 10: sorts of SEVEN. Footers In the nba.

514
00:26:09,320 --> 00:26:11,920
Speaker 2: So owen explain that the play style back then was

515
00:26:12,000 --> 00:26:14,200
Speaker 2: much more focused on getting right, up to the basket

516
00:26:14,280 --> 00:26:17,040
Speaker 2: so obviously taller. Players benefit from that you can just

517
00:26:17,119 --> 00:26:19,159
Speaker 2: kind of stand there and. Just put it in, but

518
00:26:19,280 --> 00:26:21,240
Speaker 2: then more recently with the rise of, the three point

519
00:26:21,240 --> 00:26:22,119
Speaker 2: shot the value of.

520
00:26:22,119 --> 00:26:23,800
Speaker 1: The seven footer decreased.

521
00:26:23,800 --> 00:26:26,399
Speaker 10: Kind of Around The time when steph curry started to

522
00:26:26,680 --> 00:26:30,240
Speaker 10: revolutionize basketball with the three point shot And He Saw

523
00:26:30,240 --> 00:26:33,800
Speaker 10: the golden state warriors really excel By Playing, a center

524
00:26:33,920 --> 00:26:37,240
Speaker 10: draymond green who was six foot six. As their tallest

525
00:26:37,240 --> 00:26:39,359
Speaker 10: player you started to see the league kind of get

526
00:26:39,480 --> 00:26:42,320
Speaker 10: smaller across the board and the use of a seven

527
00:26:42,359 --> 00:26:46,440
Speaker 10: footer wasn't as valuable because they weren't capable of extending

528
00:26:46,480 --> 00:26:48,680
Speaker 10: their rage to the three point line, or defending these

529
00:26:48,680 --> 00:26:50,400
Speaker 10: smaller quicker players that were SUDDENLY.

530
00:26:50,400 --> 00:26:52,840
Speaker 2: ALL over the nba i wanted to know how much

531
00:26:52,880 --> 00:26:55,920
Speaker 2: that extreme height actually, helps compared to say being. Only

532
00:26:55,960 --> 00:26:58,080
Speaker 2: Six to ten the ringer does like a regular top.

533
00:26:58,080 --> 00:27:01,159
Speaker 2: One hundred player rankings this is one data point to

534
00:27:01,240 --> 00:27:03,800
Speaker 2: kind of put. Some proof to This twelve of the

535
00:27:03,840 --> 00:27:06,160
Speaker 2: ringers top one hundred players are. Seven feet are taller

536
00:27:06,359 --> 00:27:08,960
Speaker 2: seven PERCENT of the total nba population is seven feet

537
00:27:09,040 --> 00:27:12,240
Speaker 2: so they are overrepresented there as far as being good

538
00:27:12,240 --> 00:27:16,280
Speaker 2: Players If, you TRUST bill simmons which i don't save,

539
00:27:16,320 --> 00:27:19,920
Speaker 2: that for, another podcast, but yeah that said, height is

540
00:27:19,920 --> 00:27:22,240
Speaker 2: one thing but wingspan is really what's important since you

541
00:27:22,280 --> 00:27:22,720
Speaker 2: don't block.

542
00:27:22,720 --> 00:27:26,120
Speaker 1: Shots, With, your dome yeah.

543
00:27:25,320 --> 00:27:27,680
Speaker 10: Now is it better than being six'? Ten or being. Six'

544
00:27:27,760 --> 00:27:30,720
Speaker 10: eleven hard to say and i think one of the

545
00:27:30,760 --> 00:27:33,679
Speaker 10: things that's really important to remember is that height can

546
00:27:33,720 --> 00:27:36,760
Speaker 10: sometimes be a misnomer and what WE'RE actually more interested.

547
00:27:36,800 --> 00:27:40,119
Speaker 10: In the nba is their length so a player who's

548
00:27:40,160 --> 00:27:44,040
Speaker 10: six eleven with a seven foot seven wingspan is probably

549
00:27:44,119 --> 00:27:46,680
Speaker 10: more valuable than a seven foot player, with a seven

550
00:27:46,720 --> 00:27:50,320
Speaker 10: to five wingspan because how far you can reach is

551
00:27:50,320 --> 00:27:53,640
Speaker 10: more important, than how tall your. Head is if that makes.

552
00:27:53,400 --> 00:27:57,679
Speaker 4: Sense and, not to be the idiot here but can you?

553
00:27:57,800 --> 00:27:57,879
Speaker 3: Just?

554
00:27:58,560 --> 00:27:59,200
Speaker 4: Establish, what a.

555
00:27:59,240 --> 00:28:03,119
Speaker 2: Wingspan is yeah yeah oh yeah so wingspan would be

556
00:28:03,119 --> 00:28:06,200
Speaker 2: measured from measuring like if you put out your arms

557
00:28:07,200 --> 00:28:12,440
Speaker 2: like a completely extend plan style horizontally and measured from

558
00:28:12,480 --> 00:28:15,159
Speaker 2: the tip of your longest finger all. The way TO

559
00:28:15,160 --> 00:28:17,119
Speaker 2: the other one and usually i think for most people

560
00:28:17,560 --> 00:28:20,360
Speaker 2: the wingspan. Is, slightly longer than their height yet.

561
00:28:20,200 --> 00:28:21,600
Speaker 1: So that's a little bit about what it's like to BE.

562
00:28:21,640 --> 00:28:24,720
Speaker 2: Seven feet tall in the nba we're, going to take

563
00:28:24,720 --> 00:28:26,600
Speaker 2: one more break and then when we're back we'll find

564
00:28:26,600 --> 00:28:26,960
Speaker 2: out if that.

565
00:28:27,000 --> 00:28:27,879
Speaker 1: Original, stat is.

566
00:28:27,960 --> 00:28:40,080
Speaker 2: At all accurate, okay welcome back so, so far here's

567
00:28:40,080 --> 00:28:42,120
Speaker 2: what we've learned how rare it, is to be seven

568
00:28:42,120 --> 00:28:45,800
Speaker 2: feet tall what, it's like to be really tall and

569
00:28:45,920 --> 00:28:48,920
Speaker 2: how SEVEN. Footers are used in the nba so now.

570
00:28:48,920 --> 00:28:51,080
Speaker 2: It's time to Do the math if you're an american

571
00:28:51,080 --> 00:28:54,240
Speaker 2: man between, the ages of twenty and forty and, you're

572
00:28:54,280 --> 00:28:56,600
Speaker 2: at least seven feet tall how likely are you? To

573
00:28:56,640 --> 00:29:00,640
Speaker 2: be a professional basketball player after Crunching some numbers, Using

574
00:29:00,680 --> 00:29:05,760
Speaker 2: the proprietary noah mathematics system my math CAREER ended up pre.

575
00:29:05,840 --> 00:29:08,680
Speaker 1: Calculus and I never. Took statistics here's.

576
00:29:08,400 --> 00:29:12,960
Speaker 2: What i found any seven footer worldwide has a one

577
00:29:13,000 --> 00:29:15,800
Speaker 2: point four PERCENT. Likelihood of Being in the, nba for

578
00:29:15,840 --> 00:29:19,360
Speaker 2: an american seven footer that. Number jumps to about, Sixteen,

579
00:29:19,400 --> 00:29:23,800
Speaker 2: Percent my Team of researchers barry bjorn and guillome said

580
00:29:23,800 --> 00:29:26,360
Speaker 2: this is. More or, less in, the ballpark of course

581
00:29:26,840 --> 00:29:29,360
Speaker 2: they're professionals so they said this comes with an asterisk

582
00:29:29,600 --> 00:29:31,160
Speaker 2: considering the unknown quantity, of seven.

583
00:29:31,200 --> 00:29:33,120
Speaker 1: Photers with growth disorders et.

584
00:29:33,000 --> 00:29:39,000
Speaker 2: Cetera, so obviously the stat you know the original article

585
00:29:39,040 --> 00:29:42,160
Speaker 2: we were, talking about was from, twenty eleven. So obviously different. Players,

586
00:29:42,160 --> 00:29:44,560
Speaker 2: et cetera it's pretty close yeah.

587
00:29:44,680 --> 00:29:46,560
Speaker 1: And, the guys backed it up yeah it was seventeen

588
00:29:46,600 --> 00:29:47,400
Speaker 1: in the original one.

589
00:29:47,240 --> 00:29:47,600
Speaker 6: And this is.

590
00:29:47,640 --> 00:29:50,320
Speaker 4: Sixteen based on the updated it.

591
00:29:50,960 --> 00:29:54,160
Speaker 1: So again, giving, that everything's a little, bit.

592
00:29:54,120 --> 00:29:55,360
Speaker 4: Yeah a little.

593
00:29:55,360 --> 00:29:55,479
Speaker 2: Bit.

594
00:29:55,520 --> 00:29:57,920
Speaker 1: HERE we're in the park yeah i.

595
00:29:58,560 --> 00:30:00,880
Speaker 2: Think if you're basically, you know you're fourteen or whatever

596
00:30:00,920 --> 00:30:02,640
Speaker 2: and you know you're gonna you're that, TALL or you're

597
00:30:02,640 --> 00:30:04,360
Speaker 2: gonna be yeah i.

598
00:30:04,360 --> 00:30:07,160
Speaker 4: THINK you can basically do it i also think now

599
00:30:07,240 --> 00:30:12,120
Speaker 4: it's different because they're looking, at, players younger and younger

600
00:30:12,120 --> 00:30:16,040
Speaker 4: now yeah where, we're highlight tapes of, you know, middle,

601
00:30:16,040 --> 00:30:16,920
Speaker 4: Schoolers now.

602
00:30:16,960 --> 00:30:18,960
Speaker 1: Right being like look i'll tell all this, middle.

603
00:30:18,720 --> 00:30:22,280
Speaker 4: Schooler is whereas, you know ten fifteen, years ago even

604
00:30:22,320 --> 00:30:25,160
Speaker 4: twenty years. Ago probably, was, not the case.

605
00:30:25,400 --> 00:30:27,560
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah yeah like they would have to seek it out.

606
00:30:27,560 --> 00:30:30,160
Speaker 4: A bit more exactly for sure now the world will get,

607
00:30:30,160 --> 00:30:33,360
Speaker 4: around if you had you know, a six, or eight

608
00:30:33,880 --> 00:30:35,080
Speaker 4: eighth grader yeah.

609
00:30:35,000 --> 00:30:36,960
Speaker 2: Yeah and like just videos of, him even just, standing,

610
00:30:37,040 --> 00:30:41,080
Speaker 2: there yep blocking one shot yep unathletically AND as we

611
00:30:41,200 --> 00:30:44,040
Speaker 2: know with the nba, in the past fifteen twenty years

612
00:30:44,080 --> 00:30:48,840
Speaker 2: like the pool of seven footers has just exponentialized because

613
00:30:48,840 --> 00:30:49,240
Speaker 2: they're going.

614
00:30:49,240 --> 00:30:51,480
Speaker 1: International, now to do this sat YEAH.

615
00:30:51,320 --> 00:30:55,800
Speaker 5: They've got all these like nba satellites basically where they can.

616
00:30:55,880 --> 00:30:56,000
Speaker 7: Just.

617
00:30:56,120 --> 00:30:57,840
Speaker 1: There's just a way bigger yeah and look look at

618
00:30:57,880 --> 00:30:58,640
Speaker 1: all the great.

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00:30:58,640 --> 00:31:03,480
Speaker 2: Players, coming from, the happier countries yeah you know.

620
00:31:03,760 --> 00:31:05,160
Speaker 1: So it's only, gonna there's, only gonna be.

621
00:31:05,240 --> 00:31:05,400
Speaker 5: More.

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00:31:05,440 --> 00:31:10,800
Speaker 2: YOU know, Yeah to come yeah i hope well that

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00:31:10,840 --> 00:31:11,120
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00:31:11,160 --> 00:31:12,720
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00:31:12,920 --> 00:31:16,120
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00:31:16,200 --> 00:31:20,120
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627
00:31:20,320 --> 00:31:23,360
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