WEBVTT - Ep. 320: Render - Ada Mule Sale Trail Course 0:00:14.640 --> 0:00:16.120 My name is Clay Neukleman. 0:00:16.200 --> 0:00:19.400 This is a production of the Bear Grease podcast called 0:00:19.400 --> 0:00:23.720 The Bear Grease Render, where we render down, dive deeper, 0:00:23.960 --> 0:00:28.240 and look behind the scenes of the actual bear Grease podcast, 0:00:28.800 --> 0:00:34.400 presented by f HF Gear, American Maid, purpose built hunting 0:00:34.440 --> 0:00:37.919 and fishing gear that's designed to be as rugged as 0:00:37.960 --> 0:00:39.280 the place as we explore. 0:00:44.400 --> 0:00:45.479 Welcome to at Oklahoma. 0:00:45.920 --> 0:00:48.199 Welcome to ad to Oklahoma. That's right, you know what 0:00:48.200 --> 0:00:51.000 to do. Yeah, Welcome to the bear Grease Render. This 0:00:51.080 --> 0:00:55.640 is an unusual render. We're in the field and where 0:00:55.640 --> 0:00:56.040 are we at? 0:00:56.200 --> 0:00:59.240 Justin aight, Oklahoma, the Oklahoma Muleshell. 0:01:00.080 --> 0:01:04.520 To Mule Sale. Yes, sir, So, I've got to my left. 0:01:04.600 --> 0:01:08.200 Right here, I've got Justin Kelso, who's whose family has 0:01:08.280 --> 0:01:11.759 been involved in this mule sale since the beginning. Y'all 0:01:11.760 --> 0:01:14.600 say yes. And then to your left is Max Bishop. 0:01:14.840 --> 0:01:17.280 I just met today, but I've known about you for 0:01:17.400 --> 0:01:19.119 years from Arkansas. 0:01:19.400 --> 0:01:22.400 Yeah, we're still trying to sign if it's infamous or famous, 0:01:22.400 --> 0:01:24.880 we're not sure. Definite influence. 0:01:25.959 --> 0:01:31.200 Yeah, well, Justin tell us what we're watching. So if 0:01:31.240 --> 0:01:33.959 you're watching on YouTube, you're gonna see you're gonna see 0:01:34.040 --> 0:01:37.039 us talking about. You're also going to see an arena 0:01:37.520 --> 0:01:39.200 with some mules out there. 0:01:39.880 --> 0:01:41.840 Tell us what this is yesterday, what this is? 0:01:41.920 --> 0:01:45.280 We started, We started a catalog or a consignment portion 0:01:45.360 --> 0:01:47.760 of this sale, so you can have a preview of 0:01:47.760 --> 0:01:50.040 the mules at home. That's at least that those are 0:01:50.040 --> 0:01:52.880 coming here. Plus whatever else is checked in is open 0:01:52.920 --> 0:01:55.600 consignment after these. And when we've done that, we decided 0:01:56.360 --> 0:01:59.040 these mules, if you're gonna come here expecting to get 0:01:59.040 --> 0:02:01.320 more money, instead of ragging on how broke the r list, 0:02:01.440 --> 0:02:04.680 show how broke they are. So we very simple trail course, 0:02:04.720 --> 0:02:09.040 got a few obstacles, nothing, nothing too scary, nothing too serious. 0:02:10.280 --> 0:02:13.880 Every year we had or take away something. It's just 0:02:13.919 --> 0:02:15.600 to show how broke your mule is. I mean it 0:02:15.680 --> 0:02:17.440 is sitting and everything you encounter. I mean, we've got 0:02:17.480 --> 0:02:19.880 pool noodles here. I've been riding a lot in the 0:02:19.919 --> 0:02:22.000 back country and the trail riding, I've never encountered to 0:02:22.000 --> 0:02:23.200 pull the noodle away from that. 0:02:23.400 --> 0:02:25.920 What they've got is they've got a little a little 0:02:26.040 --> 0:02:29.360 rack with pool noodles hanging down from it on strings, 0:02:29.360 --> 0:02:31.760 and you ride your mule through the pool noodles. And 0:02:32.200 --> 0:02:34.520 if you've ever been around equan animals, you know that 0:02:34.600 --> 0:02:38.359 they're they're prone to be scared of us about anything. 0:02:38.760 --> 0:02:42.280 And while this is a judged course, we give a 0:02:42.360 --> 0:02:45.560 prize to the winners and that kind of thing, it's 0:02:45.600 --> 0:02:48.880 not so much to when the trail course is to 0:02:48.960 --> 0:02:49.680 sell your mule. 0:02:50.120 --> 0:02:52.520 And so today's Thursday, A look. 0:02:52.440 --> 0:02:54.520 At this one here, that's coal trains. Now he's gonna 0:02:54.520 --> 0:02:57.280 have a really quality mealtl. 0:02:56.320 --> 0:02:58.480 Your mic up a little bit mix. Yeah, there you go. 0:02:58.520 --> 0:03:02.320 Okay, so that's coltrain mule. Come now, see like it's 0:03:02.360 --> 0:03:04.480 a little thing. But so when you go down there 0:03:04.520 --> 0:03:06.160 and you get mounted on, well he stood on that block, 0:03:06.200 --> 0:03:08.360 snapped his fingers, that muil side passed over and picked 0:03:08.400 --> 0:03:10.800 him up. So what that tells us is, though not 0:03:10.840 --> 0:03:13.680 only is this mule gentleman, but like he's actually taken 0:03:13.720 --> 0:03:16.840 tom to actually trained this mual. He's invested some times, 0:03:17.360 --> 0:03:19.320 he raised it. It's out of his own stock. 0:03:20.080 --> 0:03:20.680 So this is. 0:03:20.600 --> 0:03:24.120 Gonna be one of the things. You know, he's cold 0:03:24.120 --> 0:03:28.840 trained mules, he's well known. And so he's showing what 0:03:28.960 --> 0:03:31.239 he's spent like probably a year on this meal doing 0:03:31.360 --> 0:03:33.320 to bring to this cell to get the maximum amount 0:03:33.320 --> 0:03:33.680 of money. 0:03:34.320 --> 0:03:35.320 And so that's. 0:03:35.640 --> 0:03:40.000 Course, today's Thursday, Saturday is the sale. So Saturday there's 0:03:40.040 --> 0:03:43.920 a live auction and we've we've already talked about that 0:03:44.000 --> 0:03:47.680 on some on the past Baggaries podcast. But but so 0:03:47.760 --> 0:03:50.120 this guy right here, where's he from in northern Missouri? 0:03:50.240 --> 0:03:52.320 I forget exactly what he's up around Columbia. I think 0:03:52.360 --> 0:03:55.520 in that area. Kevin cole Trane. His wife is Brandy. 0:03:55.600 --> 0:03:57.240 They've been coming here for a while and they go 0:03:57.280 --> 0:03:59.680 to all the other sales too, and they'll have two 0:04:00.040 --> 0:04:03.280 three and never sail. Like Max said, ninety percent of 0:04:03.280 --> 0:04:05.720 them they raised. They've known these mules all that. They 0:04:05.760 --> 0:04:08.040 don't they like I sell off my form. They generally 0:04:08.080 --> 0:04:09.440 don't like. As a matter of fact, I just had 0:04:09.480 --> 0:04:11.080 some people come buy some mules from me. They tried 0:04:11.120 --> 0:04:13.560 to buy these mules from him last week and he 0:04:13.560 --> 0:04:15.760 wouldn't tell them me, saying they're already in sell, they're consigned, 0:04:15.800 --> 0:04:17.840 we can't sell them. And he actually told them to 0:04:17.839 --> 0:04:20.760 come down there and see what I had. So he 0:04:20.800 --> 0:04:22.440 don't want to deal with the public, and so he 0:04:22.480 --> 0:04:25.160 can consign them to the kelso Sell and the Kelselos 0:04:25.160 --> 0:04:27.200 are gonna market them nationally. 0:04:27.680 --> 0:04:29.599 They're gonna have an internet, you know, so you people 0:04:29.640 --> 0:04:31.320 are gonna be here, but it's also on the internet. 0:04:31.560 --> 0:04:33.560 And so this guy can get the maximum amount of 0:04:33.600 --> 0:04:35.440 money for his mule without having to deal with the public. 0:04:35.520 --> 0:04:36.839 Yeah, and there's a huge advantage of that. 0:04:36.960 --> 0:04:40.279 Yeah, and yeah, Max, tell me tell everybody what you do, 0:04:40.920 --> 0:04:41.400 what you're. 0:04:41.680 --> 0:04:42.480 I deal with the public? 0:04:42.920 --> 0:04:45.760 Well, no, but I mean you're a mule You're you're 0:04:46.120 --> 0:04:48.159 you're a mule man. You sell mules for a living 0:04:48.240 --> 0:04:50.400 and have for a long time. 0:04:50.720 --> 0:04:53.440 Well, the easy ones. Or if I buy this mule 0:04:53.560 --> 0:04:54.800 and all I have to do is to be able 0:04:54.800 --> 0:04:57.839 to outmarket Coltrane, he's already. 0:04:57.560 --> 0:04:58.120 Done all the work. 0:04:58.160 --> 0:04:59.920 You're gonna buy at his top. 0:05:00.400 --> 0:05:02.559 But then I'm going to out market him well because 0:05:02.560 --> 0:05:03.520 he don't want to deal with the public. 0:05:03.560 --> 0:05:05.880 And I will know that MAT's supposed likely has customers 0:05:05.920 --> 0:05:09.120 he sold were his mules to before. Yes, I phone, Hey, 0:05:09.360 --> 0:05:11.719 I got another co train mule for you, exactly the 0:05:11.800 --> 0:05:12.640 mule sold I. 0:05:12.560 --> 0:05:13.480 Mean over a phone call. 0:05:13.560 --> 0:05:15.480 It probably gets it done right away, right if the 0:05:15.560 --> 0:05:17.440 mule fits what the guys are woman's looking for. 0:05:17.520 --> 0:05:20.120 So we I have mules that's never been rolled before, 0:05:20.200 --> 0:05:21.880 and we'll get them we'll have to do the full process. 0:05:21.880 --> 0:05:24.240 But you're talking about months of time of training, and 0:05:24.279 --> 0:05:26.960 then you've got I've got mules that I'll get that 0:05:28.480 --> 0:05:30.320 maybe they've let it get buddy sour and maybe it 0:05:30.360 --> 0:05:33.280 has something problem. We'll have to fix a specific problem 0:05:33.520 --> 0:05:36.440 and then we can sell it. Sometimes we buy the 0:05:36.480 --> 0:05:38.720 mules from the Amish, and again they've done a lot 0:05:38.760 --> 0:05:41.440 of the work. They just don't have Facebook, so we 0:05:41.480 --> 0:05:43.880 can we can out market them. So I do everything 0:05:43.880 --> 0:05:46.280 from marketing them to just the full on training them 0:05:46.320 --> 0:05:49.120 to fix the problems. But like in this case that 0:05:49.200 --> 0:05:52.120 this celle while I'm here, like Jody and Justin's and 0:05:52.200 --> 0:05:54.760 Johnny sell is that there will be quality mules like 0:05:54.800 --> 0:05:56.480 col trains that he won't sell you off the forum 0:05:56.560 --> 0:05:58.360 and I can come here and buy them and then 0:05:58.440 --> 0:05:59.320 I can market them. 0:05:59.480 --> 0:06:00.479 And put the work. 0:06:00.920 --> 0:06:03.160 In the same instance, on the flip side of what 0:06:03.360 --> 0:06:05.440 Kevin doesn't want to deal with the public, you have 0:06:05.480 --> 0:06:07.200 people wanting to buy meals that don't want to come 0:06:07.240 --> 0:06:09.440 to the auction. They want to deal with Max or 0:06:09.960 --> 0:06:12.520 Justin or Jodi or Johnny call whatever the case may be. Yeah, 0:06:12.560 --> 0:06:14.680 they don't want to they don't want the fast thinking 0:06:15.320 --> 0:06:18.839 auction style, so Max can They're gonna pay Max at premium. 0:06:18.920 --> 0:06:20.840 They know they're paying him a premium, okay, and they 0:06:20.839 --> 0:06:23.000 can come to they can ride it two or three days, 0:06:23.000 --> 0:06:24.520 whatever they want to do. I got really good trails 0:06:24.520 --> 0:06:26.440 in my house. There's twenty one thousand acres right across 0:06:26.480 --> 0:06:28.600 the road from me, and they instead of saying they 0:06:28.600 --> 0:06:31.000 got two minutes to bid, they can come down there 0:06:31.000 --> 0:06:32.760 and they can ride it. Make sure this mule likes them, 0:06:32.760 --> 0:06:34.800 it fits them, and that they can do. 0:06:34.920 --> 0:06:37.080 What do you call yourself if somebody says, what do you. 0:06:37.040 --> 0:06:38.800 Do for a list MYX Special Meal company? 0:06:39.040 --> 0:06:42.360 Well, but I mean, like like an elevator pitch. Would 0:06:42.400 --> 0:06:44.200 you say you're a mule trader? Would you say you're 0:06:44.279 --> 0:06:45.040 mual salesman. 0:06:45.120 --> 0:06:48.039 Would you say, well, there's other people like you in 0:06:48.080 --> 0:06:49.880 the country that you buy and sell mules. 0:06:49.880 --> 0:06:51.839 Well, my deal was I used to train mules and 0:06:51.880 --> 0:06:54.040 horses for the public. That's all I did. So I 0:06:54.120 --> 0:06:54.760 was a trainer. 0:06:55.000 --> 0:06:57.040 But then you got to deal with these people don't ride, 0:06:57.080 --> 0:06:59.400 they're not putting their time in, they're not investing in theirself. 0:07:00.040 --> 0:07:02.080 So you'll get their mule trained or their horse training, 0:07:02.120 --> 0:07:03.840 and then they still suck it riding, and so then 0:07:03.839 --> 0:07:06.200 they're blaming you, and then they want a video every 0:07:06.240 --> 0:07:08.800 day and you're on their time schedule, and like what 0:07:08.960 --> 0:07:10.680 how's my mule doing? And they wanted it all done 0:07:10.720 --> 0:07:13.600 in thirty days. Well, when I finally had enough money 0:07:13.640 --> 0:07:15.240 and stuff set up where I could just I can 0:07:15.280 --> 0:07:16.920 pick out the quality mules that I want, I know what, 0:07:16.920 --> 0:07:18.560 it's a good mule. I can pick out the ones 0:07:18.600 --> 0:07:19.920 that I want to train, I want to work with 0:07:19.960 --> 0:07:22.320 on my time and my schedule, and then sell it. 0:07:22.800 --> 0:07:25.800 And so like I was charging them one thousand dollars 0:07:25.840 --> 0:07:28.520 a month to train a mule. Well I can buy 0:07:28.560 --> 0:07:32.080 a mule here for six thousand or seven thousand dollars 0:07:32.600 --> 0:07:34.720 and ride it two weeks and make eight thousand dollars 0:07:34.760 --> 0:07:36.360 and not get buck thrown or kicked because it was 0:07:36.360 --> 0:07:37.320 already a nice mule. 0:07:37.920 --> 0:07:41.240 So so you just said something. I did ride it 0:07:41.280 --> 0:07:43.000 a lot for the public. But some you know, you 0:07:43.160 --> 0:07:45.520 need a little extra cash, so have a little extra time. 0:07:45.640 --> 0:07:47.720 Somebody got a coat, one broke out or something. Yeah, 0:07:47.720 --> 0:07:48.200 I ride it. 0:07:49.160 --> 0:07:51.000 I quit doing it now, And I wouldn't tell aybody. 0:07:51.000 --> 0:07:51.480 I wouldn't do it. 0:07:51.520 --> 0:07:53.480 I just kept raising my price till they stopped paying me. 0:07:54.080 --> 0:07:56.280 But the problem was, you, like what Matt's saying, You 0:07:56.400 --> 0:08:00.480 ride something thirty days for them, get doing every and 0:08:00.520 --> 0:08:02.120 it may take me forty five days to get that 0:08:02.160 --> 0:08:07.000 thirty days of riding in. But ye, what I would 0:08:07.000 --> 0:08:10.000 do is I would say, it may take me forty 0:08:10.000 --> 0:08:12.000 five days to get your thirty days of riding in, 0:08:12.320 --> 0:08:14.080 but it's gonna do this, this, and this when I'm done, 0:08:14.120 --> 0:08:15.440 it's gonna cost you this this money. 0:08:15.880 --> 0:08:17.960 Welly, get it home. They turn it out for three months. 0:08:18.280 --> 0:08:20.240 Don't ride it, don't ride it, don't touch it, yeah, 0:08:20.280 --> 0:08:21.280 feed it, yeah. 0:08:21.120 --> 0:08:23.320 And then call me, Hey, this ain't bumped me off? Well, 0:08:23.320 --> 0:08:25.560 what have you done as the first time I wrote it? 0:08:25.960 --> 0:08:29.160 Sorry? Yeah, And it just gets so disgusted with it 0:08:29.760 --> 0:08:32.600 that I mean, there was the last horse I rode 0:08:32.640 --> 0:08:36.880 for the public, wasn't even broke to lee still running 0:08:36.880 --> 0:08:38.840 with its mother's two years old two year old past 0:08:38.960 --> 0:08:40.800 like two and a half years old, not being broke 0:08:40.800 --> 0:08:42.959 to lead or anything. I get this thing right in 0:08:43.000 --> 0:08:46.960 and never done thing with me. My wife calls me 0:08:47.040 --> 0:08:49.280 because it come to find out it was her cousin's 0:08:49.600 --> 0:08:53.360 husband's family that owned the horse, and all her uncles 0:08:53.360 --> 0:08:55.440 and brother. He bucked everybody off. She says, you gonna 0:08:55.440 --> 0:08:57.800 write USA. No, it never booked with me. Why would 0:08:57.800 --> 0:09:00.000 I go try to prove myself on something of already 0:09:00.120 --> 0:09:02.360 done and they waited a year to write it. That's 0:09:02.400 --> 0:09:04.839 not my fault, that's their fault. So I would I 0:09:04.840 --> 0:09:06.959 wouldn't have got only one time for six hunderd at that. 0:09:06.920 --> 0:09:10.080 Point, Max, I saw you something writing something down. 0:09:10.200 --> 0:09:11.679 Do you see something you liked out there? 0:09:12.080 --> 0:09:14.520 Well, the one that the Wild Bunch had you could 0:09:14.520 --> 0:09:17.000 tell was doing pretty good. He was one he one 0:09:17.160 --> 0:09:19.560 hand rained it through the whole deal. So the course, 0:09:19.559 --> 0:09:21.520 so like when he went through the everything like that, 0:09:21.600 --> 0:09:23.719 he didn't have to use two hands. So and it's 0:09:23.840 --> 0:09:24.760 comously got a handle. 0:09:24.920 --> 0:09:27.480 Yeah, well we got interrupted by technical issues. 0:09:27.480 --> 0:09:30.720 But that was Mark Balley Wild the Wild Bunch horse 0:09:30.800 --> 0:09:34.199 Meal Company, and they helped the us Kelso's put to sell. 0:09:34.080 --> 0:09:36.720 On okay, and uh, but they he's a hand. 0:09:36.840 --> 0:09:38.599 I mean, it's just there's no other way to say it. 0:09:38.679 --> 0:09:42.920 He yeah, very good roper. He's just a cowboy. And 0:09:43.559 --> 0:09:46.640 when I say kelboy, I'm not talking about this rough browdy. 0:09:48.320 --> 0:09:50.559 He knows what he's doing. He knows he's a trainer, 0:09:50.600 --> 0:09:53.880 he's a roper, he's he's the whole package, and mat 0:09:53.960 --> 0:09:56.320 say anything he's had very long. If he said it 0:09:56.440 --> 0:09:59.240 very long and worked it very long, it's it's it's 0:09:59.280 --> 0:10:01.600 kind of me. He was talking earlier. Don't waste your 0:10:01.600 --> 0:10:04.160 time on the sorry ones. If that thing's not responding 0:10:04.440 --> 0:10:06.120 and not going to respond to stuff, why I waste 0:10:06.120 --> 0:10:08.839 your time? Go get you something better. And so if 0:10:08.840 --> 0:10:11.040 he's spending very much time on one, it's it's all right. 0:10:12.520 --> 0:10:14.160 And then vice versa with this one. So you got 0:10:14.160 --> 0:10:14.520 this one here. 0:10:14.520 --> 0:10:17.760 It's got no business mouth, so you know it's got 0:10:17.800 --> 0:10:19.679 a hacking more gadget type thing, so you know it's 0:10:19.679 --> 0:10:22.680 probably sleaning its head. And then you know, like he 0:10:22.960 --> 0:10:24.959 couldn't do this obstacle here, he can't do that on 0:10:25.000 --> 0:10:27.560 obstacle there. He went around out of obstacle there. So 0:10:27.760 --> 0:10:31.560 you know, you've got a mule that's basic basic. You know, 0:10:31.600 --> 0:10:34.080 it's not It didn't buck him, it didn't hurt him. 0:10:34.240 --> 0:10:37.640 But there's a place for this mule. But it's just 0:10:37.679 --> 0:10:39.880 not gonna be it's not going to from the high dollar. 0:10:40.120 --> 0:10:42.320 Knowing it's not gonna be a soap propers, what do 0:10:43.559 --> 0:10:46.000 what would you say for somebody that was wanting to 0:10:46.040 --> 0:10:49.679 get their first animal. I mean, I talk to a 0:10:49.720 --> 0:10:51.920 lot of people that are like I've been around Equon 0:10:52.000 --> 0:10:55.920 animals some but never owned one, and they want to mule. 0:10:55.960 --> 0:10:59.400 The first thing safe, safe disposition. And if you've never 0:10:59.440 --> 0:11:01.959 owned one, don't come to the doustion by one. I mean, seriously, 0:11:02.000 --> 0:11:04.880 go spend the money to go to somebody's house and 0:11:04.960 --> 0:11:07.440 some maady like Max or or us. I mean, we 0:11:07.480 --> 0:11:09.800 got to there at our house, kelsehold meals dot com 0:11:10.040 --> 0:11:13.319 come to our house. Uh, go find you somebody you trust, 0:11:13.640 --> 0:11:15.520 go to their house, spend a week there if you 0:11:15.559 --> 0:11:17.679 need to. If you're a good person and you're willing 0:11:17.679 --> 0:11:20.480 to work, most most sellers will work with you on 0:11:20.520 --> 0:11:23.360 something like that. I'm uncomfortable. I don't know what I'm doing. 0:11:23.960 --> 0:11:25.480 Can I come out and try this mule for so 0:11:25.559 --> 0:11:27.960 long and ride with the person that owns it, that 0:11:28.040 --> 0:11:32.240 knows the buttons, knows the issues, knowse devices. Because like 0:11:32.320 --> 0:11:35.080 we talked about in the other podcast, you're dealing with 0:11:35.120 --> 0:11:37.559 something that God gives its own mind to. It's got 0:11:37.559 --> 0:11:40.439 its own fears, its own is not a four wheeler, 0:11:40.480 --> 0:11:44.600 that's right, so so uh go spend some time, and 0:11:44.600 --> 0:11:46.240 if you know what you're doing, maybe you don't need that. 0:11:46.360 --> 0:11:48.360 But but but when you're buying an animal and you 0:11:48.360 --> 0:11:50.920 don't know what you're doing, get some help. 0:11:51.040 --> 0:11:52.520 Don't be too proud to ask for help. 0:11:53.679 --> 0:11:58.080 Now what are you seeing in this mule? Max? Pretty basic? 0:11:59.160 --> 0:12:01.000 You got the same thing here you've got you've got 0:12:01.000 --> 0:12:03.439 a hack a more so you know he's not. 0:12:03.760 --> 0:12:04.840 That's the style of bit. 0:12:05.280 --> 0:12:09.079 Yeah, there's nothing nothing, No, it's just on his nose 0:12:09.120 --> 0:12:11.120 clamping down. But you see, as soon as he picks 0:12:11.120 --> 0:12:13.040 the reins up, the thing immediately goes looking up in 0:12:13.080 --> 0:12:16.120 the air. See how so everything so you've got no 0:12:16.200 --> 0:12:18.240 control over it to a degree. 0:12:19.080 --> 0:12:20.280 Now I want to add to what you're sent here 0:12:20.360 --> 0:12:21.120 just a little bit. Max. 0:12:21.480 --> 0:12:24.680 There's a guy he's dead now from southwest New Mexico 0:12:24.840 --> 0:12:28.800 or southeast. See how southwest is the HeLa Uh his 0:12:28.920 --> 0:12:32.640 name just tobaty me Max Harsha. Yeah, and he had 0:12:32.640 --> 0:12:36.880 a combination bit with a nose band. Myself, I don't 0:12:37.000 --> 0:12:37.320 like him. 0:12:38.160 --> 0:12:38.760 That's just me. 0:12:39.760 --> 0:12:43.880 It's kind of a some peoples. It is kind of 0:12:43.960 --> 0:12:46.080 GIMMI don't get me wrong. When the mule responds that 0:12:46.120 --> 0:12:49.360 Max harsh bit. Well, it responds real well, but it's 0:12:49.360 --> 0:12:52.480 not a be all end all bits are not are 0:12:52.559 --> 0:12:54.719 so different than the other piece of equipment you're gonna use. 0:12:55.160 --> 0:12:57.520 But there are certain people get hung up on something 0:12:57.520 --> 0:13:01.640 that worked and to keep using it. Once again, we're 0:13:01.640 --> 0:13:03.360 dealing with the individual. You're not dealing with a full 0:13:03.400 --> 0:13:05.920 hitter that's mass produced. And there are things just to like, 0:13:06.400 --> 0:13:09.040 maybe this mule will ride with a bit maybe maybe 0:13:09.080 --> 0:13:11.200 maybe maybe not. We don't know. I mean we're looking 0:13:11.200 --> 0:13:12.480 at the first time I've seen the mule, so I 0:13:12.520 --> 0:13:16.800 don't know. But also the flips and I'm not arguing 0:13:16.880 --> 0:13:18.520 Max on what he's saying, but the flip side, this 0:13:18.559 --> 0:13:20.200 guy maybe he rides everything with a hack. 0:13:20.160 --> 0:13:23.240 More, right, So you don't so you're trying to we 0:13:23.280 --> 0:13:24.960 have to try to decide is it the mule or 0:13:25.000 --> 0:13:25.640 is it the rider? 0:13:25.760 --> 0:13:29.719 Right? Yeah, And we got to watch the response and like. 0:13:29.640 --> 0:13:31.280 Whether that's a big, pretty mule. 0:13:31.440 --> 0:13:34.160 Yeah, But and the mule trotted down in a real 0:13:34.240 --> 0:13:35.920 straight line like you sa you know, you can tell it, 0:13:35.920 --> 0:13:37.360 like it's probably a good sound and all that, and 0:13:37.440 --> 0:13:39.520 it's trotd what he's gonna do, And then it started 0:13:39.520 --> 0:13:40.079 acting up with the. 0:13:40.240 --> 0:13:42.760 I noticed, well when he come out here, he kind 0:13:42.800 --> 0:13:44.760 of cut kind of quick right here when he turned, 0:13:45.280 --> 0:13:47.920 and not a not a I wouldn't call the mule 0:13:47.960 --> 0:13:49.240 fly to your unsafe nothing like that. 0:13:49.240 --> 0:13:49.640 I don't know. 0:13:49.679 --> 0:13:51.920 I mean what I've seen looks safe, but I could 0:13:51.920 --> 0:13:54.000 tell that you had to. That was a mule that 0:13:54.040 --> 0:13:55.920 if if that had been a greenhorn riding his fuel 0:13:55.960 --> 0:13:58.320 right here when he comes to this obstacle, these this 0:13:58.600 --> 0:14:00.840 l right here they had back through. If I had 0:14:00.880 --> 0:14:02.480 been and greenrn, that mule would have would have made 0:14:02.520 --> 0:14:04.640 some more steps. So look to me, that guy knew 0:14:04.679 --> 0:14:06.679 the mule was gonna spook just a little bit. Now 0:14:06.720 --> 0:14:10.640 this is Toddy John from Iowa. Really good hand. I've 0:14:10.640 --> 0:14:15.320 known Todd for thirty years. He'll have some pretty nice mules. 0:14:15.400 --> 0:14:17.680 Now what's he done is he shaved that mule's head? 0:14:17.960 --> 0:14:20.040 All right? That's this goes back. 0:14:20.120 --> 0:14:23.560 So we're looking at a meal that there's a distinct line, 0:14:23.600 --> 0:14:24.440 looks like it's. 0:14:24.600 --> 0:14:26.720 His head's been clipped and clipped pair. 0:14:26.960 --> 0:14:29.440 They're not sheepshar, but there are same different ways with 0:14:29.440 --> 0:14:30.840 the same styles as sheep shears. 0:14:31.600 --> 0:14:34.840 Is that just a stylistic thing for showing that started? 0:14:36.720 --> 0:14:40.760 That started on draft mule coats, they would share their 0:14:40.760 --> 0:14:45.080 head because as a donkey or jack has has a 0:14:45.080 --> 0:14:49.920 real heavy eyebrow, boned eyebrows. And so you take a 0:14:49.960 --> 0:14:51.880 coat that maybe just a little bit, we call it 0:14:51.880 --> 0:14:53.960 being rough over the eyes, a little full over the eyes. 0:14:54.440 --> 0:14:56.720 We take a coat's got hair on it, baby hair 0:14:56.760 --> 0:14:59.320 on it, four inches long, and it's sticking out, well, 0:14:59.320 --> 0:15:01.120 that hair like a hood of her. 0:15:01.480 --> 0:15:04.400 I mean, and it really makes them. No, that just 0:15:04.400 --> 0:15:06.000 shows how clean the mule's head is. 0:15:06.160 --> 0:15:07.880 I see, it's kind of showing it. 0:15:07.920 --> 0:15:11.480 And it's went from there. I hate having right mules hit. 0:15:11.480 --> 0:15:14.760 I hate it. However, some mules, why I stop there. 0:15:14.760 --> 0:15:16.120 If you want to do that body clip the thing, 0:15:16.160 --> 0:15:21.200 which I totally against but in my opinion, but it does. 0:15:21.240 --> 0:15:23.080 I mean, it makes her if you got if you 0:15:23.080 --> 0:15:25.800 get it, she's tight haired. No, she didn't need it. 0:15:25.840 --> 0:15:29.640 But yeah, some people just grew up seeing it doesn't. 0:15:29.840 --> 0:15:30.880 Yeah. 0:15:31.160 --> 0:15:35.240 Now, so you guys are you're looking at a lot 0:15:35.280 --> 0:15:37.520 of different stuff. Max, You're looking at the tack. You're 0:15:37.520 --> 0:15:38.600 trying to discern. 0:15:39.920 --> 0:15:42.440 You see how well that's the thing in this case, 0:15:42.480 --> 0:15:44.320 here is how it's gaping his mouth open and pull 0:15:44.400 --> 0:15:46.680 them back. But we know for a fact that that 0:15:46.840 --> 0:15:48.600 is a good runner. Say, like on the other one, 0:15:48.680 --> 0:15:50.400 we were like, well, we don't know if it's this 0:15:50.400 --> 0:15:52.520 this mule or is it this guy Because we don't 0:15:52.520 --> 0:15:55.000 know the guy. We know that if that mule won't 0:15:55.040 --> 0:15:57.560 back up with his head down and collected, it ain't 0:15:57.600 --> 0:15:58.160 his fault. 0:15:59.480 --> 0:16:03.080 Because you know, that's why me and we was talking 0:16:03.080 --> 0:16:04.920 about earlier in another podcast about him. 0:16:05.640 --> 0:16:08.560 Oh he through the pull noodles. 0:16:08.120 --> 0:16:09.920 Right, but he's done. He done what he should do 0:16:11.760 --> 0:16:12.240 around him. 0:16:12.360 --> 0:16:14.600 Now, what why is he selling this mule? This is 0:16:14.640 --> 0:16:15.560 a good mule trainer. 0:16:15.760 --> 0:16:17.160 He yeah, he sells it. 0:16:17.200 --> 0:16:20.000 If I had to guess, let's see here, If I 0:16:20.040 --> 0:16:22.480 had to guess, it's probably one that he's riding for 0:16:22.560 --> 0:16:24.760 somebody else to say, it's his charity. 0:16:24.840 --> 0:16:27.160 So Max is looking in the catalog. 0:16:27.800 --> 0:16:31.080 He don't he works instruction, but he'll ride a few 0:16:31.120 --> 0:16:32.840 mules with the evening and go to some sales. 0:16:32.960 --> 0:16:35.440 So you might buy that meal, Max and take it 0:16:35.440 --> 0:16:37.520 home and ride it for sixty days and really tune 0:16:37.560 --> 0:16:39.480 it up. And it's a sharp looking mule, and I 0:16:39.520 --> 0:16:40.680 mean it needs a little more. 0:16:40.600 --> 0:16:44.160 Once all right, Yeah, but once again, maybe the same situation. 0:16:44.240 --> 0:16:47.120 Even though Todd's a good hand. Maybe Max has got 0:16:47.120 --> 0:16:49.560 a bit to fits that mule better. He may and 0:16:49.560 --> 0:16:52.120 and me personally, I think every ride mule should be 0:16:52.120 --> 0:16:55.120 born with a cavasall. Yes, cavasol is a nose band 0:16:55.200 --> 0:16:58.280 with a headstall on it. Just a simple and it 0:16:58.360 --> 0:17:00.760 keeps from gapping mouth open. In what they're doing. They 0:17:00.760 --> 0:17:02.400 gat that mouth open. They're trying to get away from 0:17:02.400 --> 0:17:04.480 the bed. Now you got if you've got one on, 0:17:04.600 --> 0:17:06.120 you need smart enough not to have too much bit 0:17:06.160 --> 0:17:07.679 in your mouth, you know what I'm saying, because then 0:17:07.720 --> 0:17:08.879 you're fighting against one another. 0:17:09.840 --> 0:17:11.800 But every mule should be born with the cavsal. 0:17:12.359 --> 0:17:15.080