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Speaker 2: Touchdown Kyler Murray. That defender is in multiple pieces. Oh

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Speaker 2: that was nasty, right there? Rights slam the ground by

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Speaker 2: fooda baker like a torpedo. He came flying into the backfield.

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Speaker 2: I ain't scared of nobody.

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Speaker 2: All right. As we broadcast as we podcast. Don't call

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Speaker 2: at Cardinals Can twenty twenty four. Cardinals Underground brought to

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Speaker 2: by Pacific Office Automation poly podcast Danny surrect Aaron Urban.

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Speaker 2: I'm reminded of the eleventh commandment, thou shalt not Covet

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Speaker 2: and opponents training camp, meaning where's the controversy, where's the drama?

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Speaker 2: Where is the friction? You know, we haven't anything sensational

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Speaker 2: or salacious.

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Speaker 4: I haven't even really had any news, Like you don't

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Speaker 4: even have any injuries or roster moves, right, No roster moves,

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Speaker 4: which is amazing for a weekend.

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Speaker 2: No contract holdouts, not even a bad attitude to be

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Speaker 2: seen or heard, and no one making the walk of

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Speaker 2: shame after a fight, no physikoffs. In fact, I was

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Speaker 2: honestly I threw out a story idea that was rejected,

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Speaker 2: although I might still pursue it in a way. You

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Speaker 2: ready for this one in the absence of controversy, maybe

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Speaker 2: thou shalt create a little bit, And I was going

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Speaker 2: to go after a self made story, if you will.

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Speaker 2: What is the deal with an number twelve? Then maybe

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Speaker 2: I could pit Blake Gillikan against Jay Jones, you know,

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Speaker 2: and just go around in the number twelve. You know

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Speaker 2: this this team isn't big enough for two number twelve standing,

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Speaker 2: And so maybe, just maybe I get these guys to

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Speaker 2: kind of play a long tongue and Chee can have

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Speaker 2: some fun with the whole number twelve battle.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I wouldn't.

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Speaker 5: Uh, I wouldn't really worry about that, because as soon

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Speaker 5: as one of these fifteen receivers is cut, I have

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Speaker 5: a feeling Jay Jones is going to change his.

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Speaker 3: Number ball So I see, So you're saying it all

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Speaker 3: that worked for nothing.

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Speaker 2: You're saying it's Blake Gillikin's number and Jay Jones is

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Speaker 2: just renting. Is that what you're saying? Pretty sure?

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Speaker 3: Did am I making this up?

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Speaker 5: Didn't someone ask Jones and he said earlier that was

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Speaker 5: just the number he gave him. It didn't really have

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Speaker 5: a meaning to him to begin with.

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Speaker 4: Oh, I'll be honest, I have not heard that, but

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Speaker 4: I mean maybe Gillickan had it first.

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Speaker 2: I mean somebody did say they're flat out of eighty numbers,

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Speaker 2: any other number that you could assigned to a receiver.

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Speaker 2: Hence that's why say Jones did get number twelve.

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Speaker 4: So okay, now I'll have to check on that, because

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Speaker 4: I think those are numbers the receivers won I mean,

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Speaker 4: a thirty or a forty. Now I'm not saying Zay

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Speaker 4: Jones would be okay with that in the short term,

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Speaker 4: but I would agree with Danny that eventually there's going

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Speaker 2: By the way, what you just said is foreshadowing too

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Speaker 2: later when we will unveil Danny sirek Oh. Here we

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Speaker 2: go the Pauli Pigskin breakout players a camp dot dot dot,

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Speaker 2: not even finalists. We're just going We're just gonna name

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Speaker 2: envelow Please.

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Speaker 4: Before we get there, I have to say, between that

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Speaker 4: and John gains resolutions here, I feel like we've accomplished

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Speaker 2: Is there anything more eye opening than John Gaines Danny

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Speaker 2: running first team in some of the eleven on eleven

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Speaker 3: Well?

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Speaker 5: He started out last week limited and then Gannon said

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Speaker 4: So how do you feel about being the John connected

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Speaker 4: with the John Gaines storyline, Why would.

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Speaker 6: That's a great point. That's a good point.

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Speaker 4: We actually need you a little bit too, because I

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Speaker 4: like John Gaines. He's a super nice kid. But he

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Speaker 4: literally said will say nothing. I think I feel like

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Speaker 2: So all right, once again, you know we need storylines here?

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Speaker 2: Is that still the biggest position battle in this camp?

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Speaker 2: Would it be left guard? Would it be QB two?

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Speaker 2: Would it be Cornerback two? Where? How would you give

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Speaker 2: me your power pole, Darren? Right here, right now, putting

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Speaker 2: you on the spot the top position battles as we

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Speaker 4: Would, I think because of the unknown, I feel like

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Speaker 4: left guard still seems pretty open, but uh, and I

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Speaker 4: don't know how many people are involved in it. But

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Speaker 4: I do think Cornerback two remains. I mean, Max Meltin's

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Speaker 4: But DARLINGK Thomas is still in that mix clearly, and

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Speaker 4: So those two of the two that come up, I mean,

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Speaker 4: I'm sure QB two is something, but let's face it,

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Speaker 4: for the fan base, who's starting at cornerback and who's

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Speaker 4: starting at left guard is going to rank over who

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Speaker 3: Same with RB two. Yeah, i'd put that.

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Speaker 5: Like say, same boat kind of of. I think left

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Speaker 5: guard and cornerback is still higher ranked than that. I mean,

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Speaker 5: it's still important to know who's going to be your

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Speaker 2: I will say Amri deMercado has gotten a lot more

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Speaker 4: Know, I said that myself to somebody on the sideline.

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Speaker 4: Actually is like Amar deMercado has gotten a lot more

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Speaker 4: you look at all the things he can do, which

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Speaker 4: is be steady on special teams. He's obviously very intelligent.

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Speaker 4: I don't think no offense to Amari. He's not a

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Speaker 4: got enough of both. He's a really good pass blocker

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Speaker 4: ding and so those are the.

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Speaker 6: Kinds of things that you know.

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Speaker 4: Running back is a great example of like when we

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Speaker 4: were talking about and Jonathan Gannon's talked about it at

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Speaker 4: one point, as we've been going in about when we're

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Speaker 4: talking about these position battles, you're talking about more than

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Speaker 4: just that position the guy. If you're an Amar de

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Speaker 4: he's trying to be the fourth running back, you're also

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Speaker 4: battling against a fourth or fifth cornerback or whatever, maybe

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Speaker 4: team's implications. So that's been very interesting to me. I'm

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Speaker 4: running back, I'm I'm really curious about what happens is

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Speaker 4: is Michael Carter absolutely or RB three if.

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Speaker 5: You would have asked me a week ago would have

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Speaker 5: said yes. I don't think I would say yes right now.

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Speaker 5: I mean, I for all the reasons you just said.

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Speaker 6: I'm with you on that.

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Speaker 2: What are you asking from your third down running back?

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Speaker 2: You're asking for past protection first and foremost. Right, So,

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Speaker 2: when he mentioned the past probability of Amrio de Mercado,

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Speaker 2: that's what got him in the game last year, That's

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Speaker 2: what got him a game day. Jersey and had James

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Speaker 2: Carr on their sidelines taking a blow because Amrio de

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Speaker 2: Mercado could be trusted protecting the franchise quarterback. Can we

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Speaker 2: say that about Trey Benson right now? Are you ever

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Speaker 2: going to be able to say that about Michael Carter

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Speaker 2: I'm guilty of it. I just figured Amrio de Murcatta

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Speaker 2: a minute, that's not what Drew Petsing and Johnathan Agannon

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Speaker 4: Well, and again, Michael Carter does bring you something that

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Speaker 4: I don't know. I mean, you could maybe Trey Benson,

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Speaker 4: but he brings you something that you don't have, which

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Speaker 4: haven't talked about, and we haven't mentioned DJ Dallas, who

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Speaker 4: we think has been mostly brought in for special teams.

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Speaker 4: But again, is Mari de Marcado and him battling because

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Speaker 4: of that? Or are they both work? Could they both

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Speaker 4: be worthy enough? Is there any chance there's five running

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Speaker 4: a Jeff Rogers special team special Maybe, But when.

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Speaker 5: You think about the idea of the identity of this

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Speaker 5: defense and how many positions they like to have a

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Speaker 5: constant rotation of, I don't know that the numbers lend

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Speaker 5: themselves to having five running backs.

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Speaker 6: Would I would probably agree with you.

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Speaker 4: And that's again, this is where this is all going

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Speaker 4: to be really fascinating in terms of how this ends

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Speaker 2: Well, think about it, if, for example, the Polypigskin breakout

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Speaker 2: that's what DJ Dallas brings to this roster.

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Speaker 6: DJ Dallas is your breakout player.

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Speaker 2: No, I'm saying that DJ Dallas could be replaced with misleading,

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Speaker 2: could be replaced by the breakout player of Camp if

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Speaker 2: he's also a return man.

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Speaker 7: That a little bit later, feeling I think I'll get

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Speaker 7: to that a little bit later, feeling.

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Speaker 3: If I know Paul Calvc for anything, if does.

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Speaker 6: A bringout player have to be a rookie?

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Speaker 3: No, but it is.

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Speaker 2: The breakout player has to be way off the radar. Okay, okay,

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Speaker 2: it can't be Trey Benson all right, just because he's

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Speaker 2: a rookie. No, it has to be way off the radar,

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Speaker 2: like nobody's thinking to this person. You know, a few

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Speaker 2: years ago, over a decade ago.

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Speaker 6: I would assume I'm paying attention.

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Speaker 2: We hit it out of the park with Tony Jefferson

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Speaker 2: once upon a time, undrafted rookie out of Oklahoma, and

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Speaker 2: then the very next year was Drawn Brown, undrafted out

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Speaker 2: so you know what, with no further ado, Yeah, okay,

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Speaker 2: Collier looked really good. I thought in his couple of

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Speaker 5: I think that's even been before pads have come on.

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Speaker 3: So I think that it's a good sign. I think that's.

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Speaker 4: That is something that I noticed was when they go Now,

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Speaker 2: Interesting, I did not notice that. Actually, that's really interesting

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Speaker 2: Well, look, there's no bigger friend for a defensive back

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Speaker 5: Well, not only that none of these starters were here

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Speaker 4: The only problem was they called you Andrew Gillick and

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Speaker 5: Murphy Bunting. I think that's very intentional and planned of

439
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Speaker 5: when you're spending that money early in free agency, of

440
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Speaker 5: what you're expecting and what you're wanting to do around

441
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Speaker 5: this time. Now, anything can happen. There are still some

442
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Speaker 5: veteran cornerbacks out there. It's just a matter of well

443
00:21:25,000 --> 00:21:28,560
Speaker 5: they fit this scheme and the cost for them. I

444
00:21:28,560 --> 00:21:31,320
Speaker 5: think when you're looking and it's early, it's been the

445
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Speaker 5: first day, you know, only had one day and paid

446
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Speaker 5: so far. I can't sit here and confidently say that

447
00:21:38,320 --> 00:21:42,359
Speaker 5: one of your two quarterbacks fighting for that backup spot

448
00:21:42,400 --> 00:21:47,760
Speaker 5: has really shined or you know, outperformed the other. So

449
00:21:48,720 --> 00:21:50,680
Speaker 5: you hope that's a position that you would never need,

450
00:21:50,800 --> 00:21:53,800
Speaker 5: right you don't the money would be worth it, because

451
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Speaker 5: if you do need a backup quarterback, as we learned

452
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Speaker 5: last year, that is an important position to make sure

453
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Speaker 5: you have tried. I just I can't see them spending

454
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Speaker 5: money to bring in a big name cornerback at this point.

455
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Speaker 6: Here's how I look at.

456
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Speaker 4: First of all, as this team signed late a veteran

457
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Speaker 4: cornerback since Treymont Williams that actually did anything.

458
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Speaker 2: Who was the guy who went to Green Bay Rasoul Douglas. Yeah,

459
00:22:21,800 --> 00:22:24,280
Speaker 2: well but that was mid season though. But I'm saying

460
00:22:24,320 --> 00:22:25,439
Speaker 2: they're out there and they can.

461
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Speaker 6: Make a different with them. I'm not talking about a team,

462
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Speaker 6: I'm talking about this.

463
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Speaker 2: Team, right. Remember this team wasn't a Rasoul Douglas they

464
00:22:32,800 --> 00:22:34,480
Speaker 2: signed three years ago, and then he went to Green Bay.

465
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Speaker 4: Rasoul Douglas was on the practice squad, never played for

466
00:22:37,920 --> 00:22:40,399
Speaker 4: this team in a game, and then they signed it.

467
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Speaker 4: And then the actually the Cardinals were elevating somebody else

468
00:22:44,320 --> 00:22:46,120
Speaker 4: and I'm trying to remember who it was, they're ill

469
00:22:46,359 --> 00:22:49,600
Speaker 4: elevating another cornerback off the practice squad to play, or

470
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Speaker 4: they did, or they brought him up to the roster,

471
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Speaker 4: and then Russell Douglas signed with the Packers. So I'm

472
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Speaker 4: talking about a guy that the Cardinals signed, a veteran

473
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Speaker 4: guy that you're putting on the fifty three man roster,

474
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Speaker 4: whether it's Drake Kirkpatrick or I mean, there's been a

475
00:23:04,680 --> 00:23:07,199
Speaker 4: couple other guys. None of them have like, is it

476
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Speaker 4: really worth it for what you're getting? Is it really

477
00:23:09,359 --> 00:23:12,480
Speaker 4: better than what you what you might have in a rookie.

478
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Speaker 4: I don't see that happening. I could be wrong, but

479
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Speaker 4: I look at I think this. I think where they

480
00:23:20,800 --> 00:23:24,200
Speaker 4: are as a team, I think they prefer to let

481
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Speaker 4: one of the younger guys come out and take some lumps.

482
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Speaker 6: Like why why would you We.

483
00:23:31,320 --> 00:23:33,959
Speaker 4: Already said Garrett Williams is playing well, Sean Murphy, Bunny's

484
00:23:33,960 --> 00:23:36,159
Speaker 4: gonna be out there, So you're gonna bring in a

485
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Speaker 4: veteran over Max Meltin.

486
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Speaker 6: That makes no sense to me. He's a second round

487
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Speaker 6: pick none and.

488
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Speaker 3: He's out there getting reps in reason.

489
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Speaker 4: Maybe maybe a left guard maybe, but I don't think so,

490
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Speaker 4: especially when you just spend a third round pick on

491
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Speaker 4: a guy. I think this group and this front office

492
00:23:54,520 --> 00:23:57,239
Speaker 4: would rather take their lumps with the young guys and

493
00:23:57,280 --> 00:23:59,840
Speaker 4: see what they do, rather than spend something on a

494
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Speaker 4: guy who's a guy, but he happens.

495
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Speaker 6: To have played. I think that's where this team is

496
00:24:05,240 --> 00:24:05,720
Speaker 6: right now.

497
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Speaker 2: Yeah, And that said, I'd probably rate it in terms

498
00:24:08,640 --> 00:24:11,960
Speaker 2: of need or likelihood. I'd say QB two number one,

499
00:24:12,320 --> 00:24:17,560
Speaker 2: left guard, number two, veteran corner number three. And I

500
00:24:17,600 --> 00:24:20,120
Speaker 2: agree they do have enough numbers and enough talent at corner,

501
00:24:20,200 --> 00:24:23,960
Speaker 2: especially Garrett Williams and he's going outside. Heck, Rabbit could

502
00:24:24,000 --> 00:24:27,080
Speaker 2: be a third safety who could actually play a slot corner.

503
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Speaker 2: We'll see how that goes eventually.

504
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Speaker 6: Do you think they sign a QB two though.

505
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Speaker 2: Let me put it this way. Going into this camp,

506
00:24:32,840 --> 00:24:35,960
Speaker 2: I thought Desmond Ridder definitely it was his job to lose,

507
00:24:36,240 --> 00:24:38,560
Speaker 2: and if nothing else, they could get Clayton toone easily,

508
00:24:38,600 --> 00:24:41,040
Speaker 2: I think to the practice squad. Yeah, and the fact

509
00:24:41,040 --> 00:24:42,960
Speaker 2: that Desmond Ridder is making less than two million a

510
00:24:43,000 --> 00:24:44,800
Speaker 2: year over each of the next two seasons. But if

511
00:24:44,880 --> 00:24:49,439
Speaker 2: Ritter doesn't play better and be more effective, I'm not

512
00:24:49,480 --> 00:24:52,719
Speaker 2: Disagreeining myself into the mindset of Manti asin Ford and

513
00:24:52,800 --> 00:24:56,480
Speaker 2: wondering if indeed you are in the market, sort of

514
00:24:56,520 --> 00:24:58,800
Speaker 2: like he made a really hard decision after the Minnesota

515
00:24:58,880 --> 00:25:00,760
Speaker 2: joint practices last year with Colt McCoy.

516
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Speaker 4: Well, to me, that that's apples and oranges because Cole

517
00:25:04,560 --> 00:25:10,280
Speaker 4: McCoy wasn't healthy, which even Colt acknowledged later. And you

518
00:25:10,320 --> 00:25:13,080
Speaker 4: had to have a starter because it wasn't gonna be

519
00:25:13,119 --> 00:25:14,760
Speaker 4: Clayton Tone in this.

520
00:25:14,760 --> 00:25:17,200
Speaker 6: Case Kyler Murray, and it wasn't Kyler Murray.

521
00:25:17,040 --> 00:25:20,480
Speaker 4: At that point, I'm I'm thinking to myself, who do

522
00:25:20,560 --> 00:25:22,880
Speaker 4: you get? I'm sorry, but who do you get that's

523
00:25:22,920 --> 00:25:24,960
Speaker 4: better than what they have right now? And I'm not

524
00:25:25,040 --> 00:25:28,320
Speaker 4: saying Ritter's playing great. I would agree with you. I

525
00:25:28,320 --> 00:25:31,280
Speaker 4: think he needs to level up. And I'm not sure

526
00:25:31,320 --> 00:25:34,840
Speaker 4: Tune is there, but I don't know who's out there.

527
00:25:35,960 --> 00:25:39,840
Speaker 4: And and also unless you do that very soon.

528
00:25:41,200 --> 00:25:43,080
Speaker 3: Tory, yeah, how the hell are.

529
00:25:43,040 --> 00:25:44,320
Speaker 6: You gonna have them be ready?

530
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Speaker 2: Well, here's my fault, with all due respect, they got

531
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Speaker 2: their starting quarterback after camp last year. He had no

532
00:25:49,840 --> 00:25:52,560
Speaker 2: camp practices, no preseason action, and he was starting eight

533
00:25:52,640 --> 00:25:55,959
Speaker 2: days later in Josh Dobbs. So and this is just

534
00:25:55,960 --> 00:25:58,600
Speaker 2: for the backup spot. So if you did it last year,

535
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Speaker 2: I think the likelihood of you doing it, that's a

536
00:26:00,480 --> 00:26:03,600
Speaker 2: fair point, is much greater, especially since he's QB two.

537
00:26:03,720 --> 00:26:05,000
Speaker 3: Here's my follow up question.

538
00:26:05,200 --> 00:26:07,959
Speaker 5: When it's been Evan Brown getting first team reps as

539
00:26:07,960 --> 00:26:11,600
Speaker 5: your left guard, what are you not seeing there that

540
00:26:11,600 --> 00:26:13,320
Speaker 5: that is so high on your list to bring in

541
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Speaker 5: a veteran or just because it's a new person in

542
00:26:16,520 --> 00:26:17,320
Speaker 5: a spot.

543
00:26:18,600 --> 00:26:20,960
Speaker 2: And I don't know yet, We'll see how it grades

544
00:26:21,000 --> 00:26:24,000
Speaker 2: out when we get into the preseason games and especially

545
00:26:24,000 --> 00:26:26,879
Speaker 2: the joint practices. I'm just wondering if it's on the radar,

546
00:26:27,560 --> 00:26:31,520
Speaker 2: and if you're scanning other teams releases towards the end

547
00:26:31,800 --> 00:26:34,920
Speaker 2: of this camp, and then also the fact that you

548
00:26:34,960 --> 00:26:37,439
Speaker 2: have thirty five million in cap space, you do have

549
00:26:37,480 --> 00:26:40,640
Speaker 2: the ability to spend on extra players. I'm just saying

550
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Speaker 2: it's on the radar.

551
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Speaker 4: I'm not I would agree with you it's on the

552
00:26:45,920 --> 00:26:47,800
Speaker 4: I don't They're not going to close the door on anything.

553
00:26:47,800 --> 00:26:49,760
Speaker 4: I mean, one of the things that I think is

554
00:26:50,040 --> 00:26:52,159
Speaker 4: we talked about under the radar. I think one of

555
00:26:52,160 --> 00:26:54,399
Speaker 4: the things that's under the radar is this team is

556
00:26:54,440 --> 00:26:57,679
Speaker 4: still going to have the third waiver choice up until

557
00:26:57,800 --> 00:27:00,520
Speaker 4: the first month of the season. So no matter where

558
00:27:00,560 --> 00:27:03,080
Speaker 4: they are right now, they're up there in terms of

559
00:27:03,119 --> 00:27:06,439
Speaker 4: if there's something in someone interesting who gets cut, they

560
00:27:06,600 --> 00:27:08,840
Speaker 4: they're going to have a good shot at them if

561
00:27:08,840 --> 00:27:12,040
Speaker 4: they so choose. So I am I would I be

562
00:27:12,080 --> 00:27:14,280
Speaker 4: surprised if they got one or two waiver claims. I

563
00:27:14,280 --> 00:27:15,879
Speaker 4: would not quarterback.

564
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Speaker 6: I don't.

565
00:27:16,760 --> 00:27:19,560
Speaker 4: I don't see a quarterback that you could see as

566
00:27:19,560 --> 00:27:23,000
Speaker 4: your number two being released. It would have to be

567
00:27:23,040 --> 00:27:26,240
Speaker 4: somebody's on the street right now to say this is

568
00:27:26,320 --> 00:27:30,000
Speaker 4: worth it to me. And I don't know who's on

569
00:27:30,040 --> 00:27:30,879
Speaker 4: the street right now.

570
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Speaker 2: And I'll admit I don't have my pro personnel board

571
00:27:34,280 --> 00:27:36,280
Speaker 2: in front of me with everyone's backups.

572
00:27:36,359 --> 00:27:39,560
Speaker 4: You know, when you start putting this stuff on video,

573
00:27:40,160 --> 00:27:42,600
Speaker 4: because if we were just audio still, you could say

574
00:27:42,600 --> 00:27:43,840
Speaker 4: you did.

575
00:27:43,600 --> 00:27:46,959
Speaker 6: You're right, that's true. That's all.

576
00:27:47,119 --> 00:27:50,280
Speaker 2: So we've gone long enough without talking. QB one Kyler

577
00:27:50,359 --> 00:27:53,520
Speaker 2: Murray met the media. Takes some takeaways. What sort of

578
00:27:53,560 --> 00:27:55,879
Speaker 2: impressions did you have after Kyler was done meeting the

579
00:27:55,880 --> 00:27:57,520
Speaker 2: media for the first time during camp.

580
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Speaker 4: Obviously, the big one to me, Newsy wise, was how

581
00:28:02,800 --> 00:28:06,680
Speaker 4: he acknowledged that he was not the same dual threat

582
00:28:06,720 --> 00:28:08,840
Speaker 4: guy at the end of last year, and now he is,

583
00:28:09,400 --> 00:28:11,160
Speaker 4: and that is going to change the equation.

584
00:28:11,760 --> 00:28:14,480
Speaker 2: Which here's the quote he said, I don't feel like

585
00:28:14,520 --> 00:28:17,280
Speaker 2: I've even scratched the surface of what I'm capable of

586
00:28:17,320 --> 00:28:20,720
Speaker 2: as far as moving around and being a dual threat. Hello.

587
00:28:21,520 --> 00:28:25,119
Speaker 5: Yeah, and I would imagine this is he didn't say that,

588
00:28:25,200 --> 00:28:27,400
Speaker 5: but I think interpreting that of people thinking, oh, well,

589
00:28:27,400 --> 00:28:29,520
Speaker 5: think about the first couple of years he was running

590
00:28:29,560 --> 00:28:32,639
Speaker 5: around and using his legs. But think to what Kyler

591
00:28:32,720 --> 00:28:35,679
Speaker 5: said this offseason where he doesn't want to have to

592
00:28:36,040 --> 00:28:37,760
Speaker 5: rely on that. He wants that to be more of

593
00:28:37,800 --> 00:28:40,480
Speaker 5: the natural reaction and extending a place. So I think

594
00:28:40,480 --> 00:28:42,800
Speaker 5: the way he wants to use his legs and in

595
00:28:42,840 --> 00:28:45,280
Speaker 5: a way that that really benefits the offense as a

596
00:28:45,280 --> 00:28:49,280
Speaker 5: whole is not something he's really had from the previous regime,

597
00:28:49,320 --> 00:28:51,239
Speaker 5: and then didn't really have the ability last year as

598
00:28:51,240 --> 00:28:53,800
Speaker 5: he was coming off an ACL injury.

599
00:28:54,120 --> 00:28:55,880
Speaker 6: The funny thing is is Drew Pettsing.

600
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Speaker 4: I asked Drew Petsing if as coaches, once they saw

601
00:29:01,360 --> 00:29:05,760
Speaker 4: him in gameplay, even though they had seen video and everything,

602
00:29:05,760 --> 00:29:07,480
Speaker 4: and once they saw him in gameplay, where there're things

603
00:29:07,480 --> 00:29:11,520
Speaker 4: that are like, Oh, okay, we didn't really realize. You know, hey,

604
00:29:11,560 --> 00:29:17,120
Speaker 4: I wasn't familiar with your game the mean, and I

605
00:29:17,160 --> 00:29:22,520
Speaker 4: asked Petsing for an example, and he said, the under center, Uh, you.

606
00:29:22,480 --> 00:29:25,680
Speaker 2: Know, QB all that stuff.

607
00:29:25,680 --> 00:29:29,000
Speaker 4: And it's like, oh, okay, like you'd pair that with

608
00:29:29,080 --> 00:29:32,120
Speaker 4: what Kyler just said, and you start thinking, okay, like

609
00:29:32,920 --> 00:29:34,800
Speaker 4: maybe we are going to see a lot more of

610
00:29:34,840 --> 00:29:35,400
Speaker 4: that stuff.

611
00:29:35,480 --> 00:29:39,320
Speaker 5: I also felt like he seemed very comfortable and confident,

612
00:29:39,760 --> 00:29:42,040
Speaker 5: not just in himself but in in the offense in

613
00:29:42,080 --> 00:29:45,480
Speaker 5: a way that felt different. I think that's because maybe

614
00:29:45,520 --> 00:29:48,640
Speaker 5: this team is significantly younger as opposed to having a

615
00:29:48,640 --> 00:29:52,959
Speaker 5: lot of veterans, a very veteran heavy older team, and

616
00:29:53,560 --> 00:29:56,040
Speaker 5: now it's much younger group, and I think Kyler relates

617
00:29:56,080 --> 00:29:58,040
Speaker 5: to them a little better, at least on a personal

618
00:29:58,120 --> 00:30:03,560
Speaker 5: level and stepping up into that LEADLeadership role. But really really,

619
00:30:04,280 --> 00:30:07,160
Speaker 5: you know, honing in on the sense of urgency. He

620
00:30:07,240 --> 00:30:09,520
Speaker 5: said that quite a few times, that there is a

621
00:30:09,520 --> 00:30:11,200
Speaker 5: sense of urgency this year for him.

622
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Speaker 6: I did think about that and it was good.

623
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Speaker 4: Although I bet you, if we go back, I bet

624
00:30:15,760 --> 00:30:17,440
Speaker 4: you he said that same quote every year.

625
00:30:17,520 --> 00:30:19,280
Speaker 6: Yeah, there's a sense of urgency to win. I bet

626
00:30:19,320 --> 00:30:20,200
Speaker 6: you he said that every year.

627
00:30:20,720 --> 00:30:24,040
Speaker 4: But anyway, right, I find it interesting about the part

628
00:30:24,080 --> 00:30:27,400
Speaker 4: where he feels he did mention the older players on

629
00:30:27,440 --> 00:30:33,760
Speaker 4: the roster when he first came in. Sorry, fits, but anyways,

630
00:30:34,760 --> 00:30:40,240
Speaker 4: is it possible that, yeah, there aren't as many older players,

631
00:30:40,280 --> 00:30:44,920
Speaker 4: but also you're older, dude, Like you're you're now, what

632
00:30:44,960 --> 00:30:46,000
Speaker 4: e isy, twenty.

633
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Speaker 2: Six, twenty seven at this point, rightwenty seven in like

634
00:30:50,320 --> 00:30:51,360
Speaker 2: a week? Okay, gotcha.

635
00:30:51,560 --> 00:30:55,480
Speaker 6: So he's about to turn twenty seven. Yeah, right, you're

636
00:30:55,520 --> 00:30:56,960
Speaker 6: gonna feel You're gonna feel a.

637
00:30:56,880 --> 00:31:00,760
Speaker 4: Little bit more comfortable because half the team is like

638
00:31:00,880 --> 00:31:02,360
Speaker 4: twenty two and twenty three.

639
00:31:02,640 --> 00:31:06,560
Speaker 2: So like, yeah, so all the draft picks told the media,

640
00:31:06,720 --> 00:31:09,840
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I grew up playing with Kyler on Madden Yeah.

641
00:31:09,960 --> 00:31:12,800
Speaker 2: Or I watched his high school in college highlights growing up.

642
00:31:13,000 --> 00:31:13,280
Speaker 3: Yeah.

643
00:31:13,320 --> 00:31:16,520
Speaker 4: So I mean I get that he feels more comfortable,

644
00:31:16,520 --> 00:31:18,640
Speaker 4: but I want to I kind of want to say, hey,

645
00:31:18,920 --> 00:31:22,320
Speaker 4: pump the brakes. You've just gotten older and now you're

646
00:31:22,360 --> 00:31:24,280
Speaker 4: acting like they did when.

647
00:31:24,040 --> 00:31:24,640
Speaker 6: You came in.

648
00:31:24,880 --> 00:31:27,960
Speaker 5: Yes, to a certain extent. Also, earlier in the offseason,

649
00:31:27,960 --> 00:31:30,000
Speaker 5: he was saying this is the best he has felt.

650
00:31:30,600 --> 00:31:34,200
Speaker 5: Big picture why since his Heisman winning season. That's kind

651
00:31:34,200 --> 00:31:35,800
Speaker 5: of what I'm It's all encompassing.

652
00:31:35,960 --> 00:31:36,840
Speaker 3: No, it's not just like.

653
00:31:36,800 --> 00:31:40,520
Speaker 5: The personal aspect of Okay, you're older, the players are younger,

654
00:31:40,600 --> 00:31:41,720
Speaker 5: you probably relate to them more.

655
00:31:41,800 --> 00:31:43,160
Speaker 3: It's just it's big picture.

656
00:31:43,560 --> 00:31:45,760
Speaker 4: And I agree big picture because there's so many things

657
00:31:45,760 --> 00:31:48,600
Speaker 4: that go into it. A he's been through a catastrophic

658
00:31:48,640 --> 00:31:52,240
Speaker 4: injury and came through it. That tends to change your perspective.

659
00:31:52,760 --> 00:31:56,840
Speaker 4: He's six years he's now in his sixth season. You

660
00:31:57,040 --> 00:32:00,360
Speaker 4: just you get it. Now you're older and more sure,

661
00:32:00,720 --> 00:32:03,200
Speaker 4: you have a coaching staff that you really really like.

662
00:32:03,400 --> 00:32:05,760
Speaker 4: You have a front office that you really really trust.

663
00:32:06,240 --> 00:32:10,320
Speaker 3: He's got he's gotten paid which trusted him.

664
00:32:10,760 --> 00:32:12,240
Speaker 4: What would you have given me if I would have

665
00:32:12,560 --> 00:32:14,680
Speaker 4: said in his press conference yesterday, Paul, Hey, do you

666
00:32:14,680 --> 00:32:15,680
Speaker 4: feel like you're underpaid?

667
00:32:15,720 --> 00:32:18,680
Speaker 3: Kyler s Jordan Love contract?

668
00:32:18,880 --> 00:32:21,720
Speaker 2: Going full circle how I started this. That's the controversy.

669
00:32:21,760 --> 00:32:24,440
Speaker 2: We need that. That's the controversy we covet right now.

670
00:32:24,640 --> 00:32:25,600
Speaker 6: We do not covert that.

671
00:32:25,640 --> 00:32:28,000
Speaker 2: I mean, honestly, we need something sold there. There was

672
00:32:28,040 --> 00:32:30,720
Speaker 2: a twhet that came up yesterday, even if it's concocted.

673
00:32:30,920 --> 00:32:35,720
Speaker 2: Yesterday was the anniversary of the Cardinals taking out the

674
00:32:35,720 --> 00:32:40,000
Speaker 2: homework clause that was the most uncomfortable week and a

675
00:32:40,040 --> 00:32:45,280
Speaker 2: half of all time. That's good, but you know what,

676
00:32:45,640 --> 00:32:46,240
Speaker 2: I'm not even going.

677
00:32:46,240 --> 00:32:46,880
Speaker 3: To comment on it.

678
00:32:47,120 --> 00:32:49,640
Speaker 2: Once again, I'm telling myself thou shalt not covet other

679
00:32:49,720 --> 00:32:55,920
Speaker 2: training camps. You just bullet pointed as verification what Kyler said,

680
00:32:56,560 --> 00:33:00,720
Speaker 2: which basically proves everything we said in the off season. Correct. One.

681
00:33:00,760 --> 00:33:03,360
Speaker 2: He values football more than ever. Did he not say

682
00:33:03,360 --> 00:33:05,440
Speaker 2: that you never know when it can be taken away?

683
00:33:05,880 --> 00:33:09,680
Speaker 2: So the season ending injury in the twenty twenty two

684
00:33:09,720 --> 00:33:14,240
Speaker 2: season did recalibrate him anybody in any line of work,

685
00:33:14,320 --> 00:33:18,240
Speaker 2: anything you value, you appreciate it more what after you

686
00:33:18,320 --> 00:33:20,680
Speaker 2: lose it? Sure, and he is all ball, as he said,

687
00:33:20,720 --> 00:33:22,520
Speaker 2: he's been playing ball since he was four years old.

688
00:33:22,880 --> 00:33:26,400
Speaker 2: A country country song.

689
00:33:26,280 --> 00:33:27,960
Speaker 6: No, it wasn't a country song. I feel like there

690
00:33:28,120 --> 00:33:29,560
Speaker 6: was like it was a hair metal band.

691
00:33:30,440 --> 00:33:32,479
Speaker 2: I'm gonna ignore that and I'm gonna keep going the

692
00:33:32,520 --> 00:33:35,000
Speaker 2: locker room. Did we not cite that? Finally, this is

693
00:33:35,040 --> 00:33:38,160
Speaker 2: his team because you don't have Larry Fitzgerald and JJ

694
00:33:38,320 --> 00:33:41,360
Speaker 2: Watt and DeAndre Hopkins, you know, all these all pros

695
00:33:41,400 --> 00:33:45,200
Speaker 2: who are you know, established leaders. Now he's the unquestioned

696
00:33:45,240 --> 00:33:50,000
Speaker 2: leader number three, Albert Breer had a line in there

697
00:33:50,040 --> 00:33:53,120
Speaker 2: and interview with Jonathan Gannon Sports Illustrated. He came out,

698
00:33:53,240 --> 00:33:54,680
Speaker 2: took a shot at our weather. By the way, it

699
00:33:54,680 --> 00:33:56,840
Speaker 2: was only one six, and he did the old blow

700
00:33:56,920 --> 00:34:00,440
Speaker 2: dryer joke when you walk outside the stadium, and he

701
00:34:00,480 --> 00:34:04,280
Speaker 2: had Jonathan Gannon telling him that, Yes, he tasked Kyler

702
00:34:04,320 --> 00:34:07,880
Speaker 2: with trying to generate more of that buy in from

703
00:34:07,920 --> 00:34:10,040
Speaker 2: the other guys on the team. And what did Kyler

704
00:34:10,080 --> 00:34:11,680
Speaker 2: do this offseason? All you have to do is listen

705
00:34:11,719 --> 00:34:14,800
Speaker 2: to the Pash Pod and Michael Wilson breaking down everything

706
00:34:14,880 --> 00:34:18,239
Speaker 2: Kyler did for all the guys on offense all off

707
00:34:18,280 --> 00:34:22,799
Speaker 2: season long. So everything we speculated about Kyler pretty much

708
00:34:22,840 --> 00:34:25,719
Speaker 2: confirmed during that press conference. It is the new and

709
00:34:25,760 --> 00:34:28,640
Speaker 2: approved Kyler, especially from a leadership aspect. And then the

710
00:34:28,719 --> 00:34:30,600
Speaker 2: last thing you mentioned, Danny and I do agree is

711
00:34:31,000 --> 00:34:34,360
Speaker 2: no longer is this an offense where Kyler here's the

712
00:34:34,400 --> 00:34:38,880
Speaker 2: football you go create. So to draw a basketball analogy,

713
00:34:38,920 --> 00:34:42,320
Speaker 2: you remember when James Harden said I am the offense, yes,

714
00:34:42,920 --> 00:34:46,560
Speaker 2: and he's just ball dominant. Everything goes off me. Kyler

715
00:34:46,640 --> 00:34:49,160
Speaker 2: doesn't want that, and that's not an effective way to

716
00:34:49,200 --> 00:34:51,160
Speaker 2: win in the NFL because it's too easy to gain

717
00:34:51,200 --> 00:34:53,560
Speaker 2: plan against. But if you give Kyler a top five

718
00:34:53,640 --> 00:34:55,680
Speaker 2: run game, and you give him weapons the receiver didn't

719
00:34:55,680 --> 00:34:57,640
Speaker 2: have last year, and now he has at least two

720
00:34:57,640 --> 00:35:00,840
Speaker 2: big time if not three, tight end receiving threats, and

721
00:35:00,880 --> 00:35:03,839
Speaker 2: you fix that left guard liability, and all of a sudden,

722
00:35:03,920 --> 00:35:07,320
Speaker 2: Kyler is Kyler when he needs to be, when it's organic,

723
00:35:07,400 --> 00:35:09,880
Speaker 2: when it's third and ten against Atlanta and he gives

724
00:35:09,920 --> 00:35:11,840
Speaker 2: twenty yards and then runs thirty to pick up the

725
00:35:11,840 --> 00:35:12,279
Speaker 2: first down.

726
00:35:12,400 --> 00:35:14,560
Speaker 4: Again, I think a big part of this is the

727
00:35:15,200 --> 00:35:17,960
Speaker 4: comfort with these coaches what they're doing with him. Like

728
00:35:18,040 --> 00:35:20,080
Speaker 4: Drew Petsen was saying, Hey, even when he got here,

729
00:35:20,760 --> 00:35:22,360
Speaker 4: I want to make sure I had a good relationship

730
00:35:22,360 --> 00:35:25,160
Speaker 4: with him, and I think that was achieved fairly quickly,

731
00:35:25,800 --> 00:35:29,920
Speaker 4: and I think with what they accomplished, I think I

732
00:35:29,960 --> 00:35:32,840
Speaker 4: think there was a lot that Kyler believed in these coaches,

733
00:35:32,840 --> 00:35:35,160
Speaker 4: seeing what was happening when he wasn't playing and what

734
00:35:35,200 --> 00:35:38,319
Speaker 4: they were able to do with Josh Dobbs. Obviously they

735
00:35:38,440 --> 00:35:42,240
Speaker 4: weren't winning games, but they did do some things, especially

736
00:35:42,320 --> 00:35:44,600
Speaker 4: rushing the ball. YEP, And that goes back to what

737
00:35:44,640 --> 00:35:47,000
Speaker 4: you were saying, which was wait a minute, if we

738
00:35:47,000 --> 00:35:48,799
Speaker 4: can run the ball, that's less on me.

739
00:35:49,360 --> 00:35:51,920
Speaker 2: And some of the biggest plays that Josh Doabs made

740
00:35:52,000 --> 00:35:52,920
Speaker 2: were with his legs.

741
00:35:53,000 --> 00:35:53,760
Speaker 6: Yes, that's true.

742
00:35:53,840 --> 00:35:55,560
Speaker 2: I mean I can't tell you how many times the

743
00:35:55,600 --> 00:35:58,200
Speaker 2: sideline reacting when Josh Doabs took off like, whoa, this

744
00:35:58,280 --> 00:36:00,920
Speaker 2: dude can run pastronaut?

745
00:36:01,120 --> 00:36:02,080
Speaker 6: The run a knot.

746
00:36:02,760 --> 00:36:04,200
Speaker 2: What would you guys have done if I would ask

747
00:36:04,239 --> 00:36:08,959
Speaker 2: Drew Petsing excuse me, mister offensive coordinator. The number is four.

748
00:36:09,440 --> 00:36:12,920
Speaker 2: We need four, a minimum of four tight end screens

749
00:36:13,000 --> 00:36:15,960
Speaker 2: per game. Uh, two to Trey McBride and two to

750
00:36:16,040 --> 00:36:19,080
Speaker 2: Tip Ryman. And we're gonna call the tip Ryman tight

751
00:36:19,160 --> 00:36:22,320
Speaker 2: end screen. Who wants some? Okay, it's just the gronk effect.

752
00:36:22,360 --> 00:36:23,919
Speaker 2: Just throw it to tip Ryman, give him a couple

753
00:36:23,920 --> 00:36:25,800
Speaker 2: of blockers, and then we'll see which dbs want a

754
00:36:25,840 --> 00:36:28,640
Speaker 2: piece of the two hundred and now seventy four point

755
00:36:28,719 --> 00:36:31,799
Speaker 2: six pound tip Ryman. According to his tight end coach

756
00:36:31,840 --> 00:36:33,879
Speaker 2: on the Red Sea Report, he weighed in at two

757
00:36:33,960 --> 00:36:37,200
Speaker 2: seventy four point six. He's a very detail oriented young man,

758
00:36:37,239 --> 00:36:37,840
Speaker 2: tip Ryman.

759
00:36:38,280 --> 00:36:40,600
Speaker 4: And uh, then we'll see Ben Steele. Ben Steele seems

760
00:36:40,600 --> 00:36:42,759
Speaker 4: pretty detailed. If he knows that off the top of.

761
00:36:42,719 --> 00:36:44,640
Speaker 2: His head, yes, he does so. By the way, he

762
00:36:44,640 --> 00:36:48,759
Speaker 2: made mention the Tip Ryman as a standout body fat percentage.

763
00:36:48,800 --> 00:36:50,920
Speaker 2: So if you're if you want to do some investigative

764
00:36:51,000 --> 00:36:53,399
Speaker 2: reporting somebody, he needs to ask Tip Ryman at two

765
00:36:53,440 --> 00:36:55,600
Speaker 2: seventy four point six, what is your body fat?

766
00:36:55,880 --> 00:36:58,360
Speaker 3: Why don't you have much left For Elijah Higgins.

767
00:36:59,640 --> 00:37:02,319
Speaker 2: You know, as a as a screen guy, I think

768
00:37:02,400 --> 00:37:04,719
Speaker 2: I have him more as a receiving tight end. I'm

769
00:37:04,760 --> 00:37:08,160
Speaker 2: just saying in the screen game, all right, just the

770
00:37:08,200 --> 00:37:10,760
Speaker 2: girth of Tip Riman. And then we've seen Trey McBride's

771
00:37:10,760 --> 00:37:13,239
Speaker 2: ability to run the ball right, he doesn't go down

772
00:37:13,320 --> 00:37:15,880
Speaker 2: in first contact and Ory makes the first guy miss.

773
00:37:16,280 --> 00:37:18,200
Speaker 2: So anyway, once again, I'm gonna have one of those

774
00:37:18,239 --> 00:37:20,960
Speaker 2: egg timers like Vin Scully had in the broadcast booth,

775
00:37:21,000 --> 00:37:23,359
Speaker 2: you know, until it would remind him when to say

776
00:37:23,360 --> 00:37:25,359
Speaker 2: the score during a baseball game. I'm just gonna put

777
00:37:25,360 --> 00:37:27,319
Speaker 2: a big egg timer down on the gate or eight

778
00:37:27,360 --> 00:37:29,760
Speaker 2: bucket on the sideline, and when it runs out, that'll

779
00:37:29,800 --> 00:37:33,320
Speaker 2: signal Drew Petsen thou shalt call another tight end. Screen.

780
00:37:34,280 --> 00:37:36,000
Speaker 4: It's gonna be hard for Marvin Harrison to get one

781
00:37:36,040 --> 00:37:37,879
Speaker 4: hundred catches if you're throwing a bunch of tight end.

782
00:37:37,800 --> 00:37:42,719
Speaker 2: Screens, Okay, true or false? Marvin Harrison Junior has had

783
00:37:42,760 --> 00:37:43,760
Speaker 2: a quiet camp.

784
00:37:46,520 --> 00:37:49,640
Speaker 5: Quiet why because he's a quiet person. I think he's

785
00:37:49,680 --> 00:37:51,200
Speaker 5: looked great in camp.

786
00:37:51,360 --> 00:37:53,000
Speaker 2: I'm not saying he hasn't looked great. I'm just saying

787
00:37:53,000 --> 00:37:55,719
Speaker 2: like there hasn't been that viral one ended catch. There

788
00:37:55,719 --> 00:37:59,320
Speaker 2: hasn't like he hasn't really gotten more targets than anybody

789
00:37:59,320 --> 00:38:00,640
Speaker 2: else got more.

790
00:38:00,560 --> 00:38:03,080
Speaker 6: Targets, but everybody. Everybody notices when he.

791
00:38:03,080 --> 00:38:05,280
Speaker 3: Has He's fluid, the way he moves.

792
00:38:05,400 --> 00:38:08,560
Speaker 4: He was why he's trying to get the controversy going

793
00:38:08,560 --> 00:38:09,680
Speaker 4: when there's controversy.

794
00:38:09,719 --> 00:38:11,960
Speaker 5: He was wide open on a play yesterday that I

795
00:38:12,080 --> 00:38:15,080
Speaker 5: was watching it and I was thinking in a game,

796
00:38:15,200 --> 00:38:15,719
Speaker 5: that would.

797
00:38:15,480 --> 00:38:16,680
Speaker 3: Have been a touchdown.

798
00:38:16,960 --> 00:38:19,279
Speaker 5: And then obviously he's not running full speed after once

799
00:38:19,280 --> 00:38:21,840
Speaker 5: he catched it, because you know he's not gonna go

800
00:38:21,960 --> 00:38:24,360
Speaker 5: full contact against his DB's, but I was thinking, Okay,

801
00:38:24,360 --> 00:38:26,520
Speaker 5: that would have been a touchdown. I think that he

802
00:38:26,560 --> 00:38:30,840
Speaker 5: has looked fast. I think he's looked competitive, like everything

803
00:38:30,880 --> 00:38:34,000
Speaker 5: that was advertised about him is what he's ok even

804
00:38:34,080 --> 00:38:37,120
Speaker 5: if he's not having a crazy one hand to catch

805
00:38:37,120 --> 00:38:39,479
Speaker 5: the way that Jay Jones did late last week.

806
00:38:39,520 --> 00:38:41,880
Speaker 4: Here's a conspiracy theory for you, Paul, because I know

807
00:38:41,719 --> 00:38:42,839
Speaker 4: you traffic in these.

808
00:38:42,800 --> 00:38:44,680
Speaker 2: I got my pen out.

809
00:38:45,040 --> 00:38:47,279
Speaker 4: What if they're just not doing as much with him

810
00:38:47,280 --> 00:38:50,040
Speaker 4: while it's open practices because they know everybody's recording it.

811
00:38:50,280 --> 00:38:52,399
Speaker 3: It sounds incredibly like this.

812
00:38:53,960 --> 00:38:56,480
Speaker 4: It goes back to the two thousand and three training camp.

813
00:38:56,520 --> 00:38:59,920
Speaker 4: We're all like, why isn't An Kwambolden getting any playing

814
00:39:00,080 --> 00:39:02,520
Speaker 4: time in these preseason games? And Jerry Sealvin's like, don't worry,

815
00:39:03,320 --> 00:39:05,799
Speaker 4: you're gonna see it when it happening. He had like

816
00:39:05,800 --> 00:39:08,960
Speaker 4: two catches in the preseason second round pick, and you're like,

817
00:39:09,040 --> 00:39:10,960
Speaker 4: the second round pick, isn't the second und pick supposed

818
00:39:10,960 --> 00:39:11,040
Speaker 4: to be?

819
00:39:11,080 --> 00:39:12,440
Speaker 6: I know, just wait.

820
00:39:12,520 --> 00:39:14,440
Speaker 5: So I think it's fair that Marvin Harrison Junior is

821
00:39:14,560 --> 00:39:17,319
Speaker 5: even gonna dress for a single preseason game.

822
00:39:17,640 --> 00:39:18,480
Speaker 2: You don't think he will.

823
00:39:19,440 --> 00:39:22,760
Speaker 4: If he doesn't, then Kyler doesn't. You don't think Kyler

824
00:39:22,760 --> 00:39:23,200
Speaker 4: does either.

825
00:39:24,640 --> 00:39:25,200
Speaker 3: I don't know.

826
00:39:25,480 --> 00:39:27,600
Speaker 5: I know that when we've asked the coaching staff and

827
00:39:27,600 --> 00:39:31,799
Speaker 5: they've said that's an ongoing discussion. For some reason, I

828
00:39:31,840 --> 00:39:34,880
Speaker 5: feel like it wouldn't surprise me if they don't.

829
00:39:34,680 --> 00:39:35,760
Speaker 6: I would be stunned.

830
00:39:35,840 --> 00:39:39,399
Speaker 4: If a rookie, even Marvin Harrison, didn't play at least

831
00:39:39,440 --> 00:39:42,160
Speaker 4: a little in the preseason, I wouldn't feel comfortable.

832
00:39:42,640 --> 00:39:45,839
Speaker 5: You're still ways away from that, so maybe not that

833
00:39:45,880 --> 00:39:49,239
Speaker 5: far away. Maybe the thought will change, But what can

834
00:39:49,280 --> 00:39:50,480
Speaker 5: happen in two weeks of camp?

835
00:39:51,080 --> 00:39:53,160
Speaker 6: Have you ever heard of the band Cinderella, Paul?

836
00:39:54,200 --> 00:39:56,839
Speaker 2: Sure? Okay, they specialized in spandex.

837
00:39:57,040 --> 00:39:59,920
Speaker 4: Well, they sing don't Know what You Got Till It's Gone.

838
00:40:00,080 --> 00:40:01,479
Speaker 4: That was the song that was in my head.

839
00:40:01,520 --> 00:40:02,839
Speaker 2: There you go, Okay, that's okay.

840
00:40:02,920 --> 00:40:05,480
Speaker 4: If we didn't have a band on popular music, I

841
00:40:05,920 --> 00:40:07,600
Speaker 4: make sure that almost put it at the end of

842
00:40:07,640 --> 00:40:08,480
Speaker 4: the podcast.

843
00:40:08,640 --> 00:40:12,080
Speaker 2: Darren, don't distract from the fact you just agreed with me.

844
00:40:12,160 --> 00:40:15,120
Speaker 2: You came in a roundabout way. You agreed that Marvin

845
00:40:15,160 --> 00:40:18,280
Speaker 2: Harrison Junior is indeed having a quiet camp, except your

846
00:40:18,440 --> 00:40:21,640
Speaker 2: theory is it's by design. So I have that written

847
00:40:21,640 --> 00:40:24,239
Speaker 2: down here. That's good. I'm gonna hold you to that.

848
00:40:24,360 --> 00:40:29,319
Speaker 2: We'll see or or you know, maybe Max Melton and

849
00:40:29,360 --> 00:40:32,160
Speaker 2: Sean Murphy Bunting are playing some pretty good corners, so

850
00:40:32,200 --> 00:40:34,719
Speaker 2: he's not getting as many targets as we might have

851
00:40:34,760 --> 00:40:35,759
Speaker 2: thought coming into camp.

852
00:40:36,000 --> 00:40:38,360
Speaker 6: Wait, you said you wanted to sign a veteran cornerback

853
00:40:38,400 --> 00:40:39,400
Speaker 6: because they all stunk.

854
00:40:40,120 --> 00:40:42,000
Speaker 2: By the way, speaking to DB's as, I ignore that

855
00:40:42,440 --> 00:40:43,840
Speaker 2: because it's a pretty good point. I don't have an

856
00:40:43,840 --> 00:40:47,680
Speaker 2: immediate response. Buddha Baker did say on Arizona Sports that

857
00:40:47,800 --> 00:40:50,840
Speaker 2: he's tagging off on Marvin Harrison Junior. Thou shalt not

858
00:40:51,040 --> 00:40:54,239
Speaker 2: hit Marvin Harrison Junior. He said, he joked, I'll hit

859
00:40:54,360 --> 00:40:59,120
Speaker 2: Zay Jones, but I'm not hitting Marvin Harrison. That was

860
00:40:59,160 --> 00:41:02,400
Speaker 2: pretty good by Buddha Baker. But I will say this

861
00:41:03,520 --> 00:41:07,280
Speaker 2: because I've asked myself. This self is the reason maybe

862
00:41:07,320 --> 00:41:09,600
Speaker 2: why there hasn't been that viral moment with Marvin Harrison

863
00:41:09,680 --> 00:41:13,320
Speaker 2: Junior is he's one of those people that makes everything

864
00:41:13,400 --> 00:41:16,279
Speaker 2: looks so easy. Those who do it best in any

865
00:41:16,320 --> 00:41:19,160
Speaker 2: profession just make it look easy. That's like Danny, you know,

866
00:41:19,200 --> 00:41:22,160
Speaker 2: the lead guitarist for Cinderella. He's probably a savant. He makes,

867
00:41:22,320 --> 00:41:25,880
Speaker 2: you know, playing guitar look easy when it isn't. Marvin

868
00:41:25,920 --> 00:41:29,960
Speaker 2: Harrison Junior just he's so fluid it looks effortless, and

869
00:41:30,600 --> 00:41:34,200
Speaker 2: he catches the ball so easily. I did a dramatic

870
00:41:34,280 --> 00:41:37,920
Speaker 2: reenactment and audio reenactment for Wolf on air the other day.

871
00:41:37,920 --> 00:41:41,200
Speaker 2: I said, here's Marvin Harrison Junior catching the football. Ready,

872
00:41:42,400 --> 00:41:44,600
Speaker 2: there it is. He just caught it. You never hear it.

873
00:41:44,600 --> 00:41:48,040
Speaker 2: It's like Larry fitzgerald s. He just catches it so easy.

874
00:41:48,480 --> 00:41:50,680
Speaker 2: I joked with Wolf, how many career receptions you know?

875
00:41:50,719 --> 00:41:52,719
Speaker 2: And he said twenty six. They can't take twenty six

876
00:41:52,760 --> 00:41:54,640
Speaker 2: career receptions away from you. I said, well, every one

877
00:41:54,680 --> 00:41:56,920
Speaker 2: of those twenty six. The guys in the upper deck

878
00:41:56,920 --> 00:41:59,400
Speaker 2: at Sun Devil Stadium could hear you catching the football.

879
00:41:59,640 --> 00:42:02,680
Speaker 2: That was a difference between a full back catching it

880
00:42:02,719 --> 00:42:03,759
Speaker 2: and wide receiver one.

881
00:42:04,880 --> 00:42:07,759
Speaker 4: So are you saying that if Marvin Harrison made a

882
00:42:07,760 --> 00:42:12,360
Speaker 4: one handed viral catch then everything changes, I'm trying to see.

883
00:42:12,719 --> 00:42:14,759
Speaker 2: I'm just saying it's been a little quiet so far,

884
00:42:14,800 --> 00:42:16,680
Speaker 2: and that's all I'm saying. Also, I'm not saying he's

885
00:42:16,680 --> 00:42:18,319
Speaker 2: a different player because of one or the other.

886
00:42:18,800 --> 00:42:21,520
Speaker 4: If you catch, if you happen to video that one

887
00:42:21,560 --> 00:42:25,759
Speaker 4: handed viral catch on the same phone that you apparently filmed.

888
00:42:27,040 --> 00:42:31,840
Speaker 2: Eight, Okay, that's that's a pretty good rip job. That's

889
00:42:31,880 --> 00:42:34,839
Speaker 2: a FITS That's a Fits caliber rip job right there.

890
00:42:35,360 --> 00:42:37,279
Speaker 2: It really is you know, I'll take that one. I'll

891
00:42:37,280 --> 00:42:40,880
Speaker 2: own it. I've been a little busy during camp. I

892
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Speaker 2: understand first off day, Yes, I am heading over to

893
00:42:43,520 --> 00:42:45,759
Speaker 2: the cell phone store. We're going to try and to

894
00:42:45,880 --> 00:42:46,279
Speaker 2: add up.

895
00:42:46,320 --> 00:42:49,160
Speaker 6: We're going to have yes creamer put that on social.

896
00:42:48,880 --> 00:42:51,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, speaking of a speaking of I don't know a

897
00:42:51,880 --> 00:42:54,800
Speaker 2: product placement. If you will, Danny, what you're drinking and

898
00:42:54,880 --> 00:42:59,920
Speaker 2: reminds me of you yelled a froholt? Did you? Is that?

899
00:43:00,120 --> 00:43:00,200
Speaker 6: Like?

900
00:43:00,640 --> 00:43:03,760
Speaker 2: Are you taking like best practices from the Cardinals Starting

901
00:43:03,800 --> 00:43:05,400
Speaker 2: Center and getting your requisite protein?

902
00:43:05,480 --> 00:43:09,920
Speaker 5: I was having a conversation with my very good friend

903
00:43:10,400 --> 00:43:15,279
Speaker 5: Kyle Droni in our video department Joe Burrow and no,

904
00:43:15,400 --> 00:43:17,760
Speaker 5: he bleached his hair before Joe Burrow.

905
00:43:17,920 --> 00:43:19,560
Speaker 6: Well, we don't know that, we do.

906
00:43:19,680 --> 00:43:20,239
Speaker 3: I saw him.

907
00:43:20,440 --> 00:43:23,200
Speaker 4: Well, yeah, but we don't know when Joe Burrow bleached

908
00:43:23,200 --> 00:43:24,960
Speaker 4: his hair. We just know when he showed up at camp.

909
00:43:25,480 --> 00:43:27,879
Speaker 2: See, this is the controversy we need right here, all right,

910
00:43:27,920 --> 00:43:28,440
Speaker 2: even though.

911
00:43:28,280 --> 00:43:31,960
Speaker 5: Okay, anyway, go ahead. And I was talking to Kyle

912
00:43:32,120 --> 00:43:35,680
Speaker 5: and I said, I cannot believe that yelda down two

913
00:43:35,840 --> 00:43:40,920
Speaker 5: of these protein shakes in a six minute press conference

914
00:43:41,280 --> 00:43:45,040
Speaker 5: when each one has forty grams of protein. And I

915
00:43:45,080 --> 00:43:47,840
Speaker 5: said to Kyle, I said, eighty grams of protein just

916
00:43:47,880 --> 00:43:49,000
Speaker 5: sounds like so much.

917
00:43:49,080 --> 00:43:49,759
Speaker 3: And he looks at me.

918
00:43:49,800 --> 00:43:52,359
Speaker 5: He's like, Danny, you need to be having more than

919
00:43:52,360 --> 00:43:54,160
Speaker 5: eighty grams of protein in a day.

920
00:43:54,239 --> 00:43:57,120
Speaker 3: So Yelda needs to be having like three or four.

921
00:43:56,920 --> 00:44:00,800
Speaker 5: Times at So that night when we were at the hotel,

922
00:44:01,680 --> 00:44:06,439
Speaker 5: ran into Yelda in the like makeshift cafeteria and Kyle

923
00:44:06,480 --> 00:44:08,760
Speaker 5: and I were joking with him about that, and Yelda

924
00:44:08,920 --> 00:44:10,960
Speaker 5: was so serious and he was like, Danny, you need

925
00:44:11,000 --> 00:44:13,160
Speaker 5: to be having more protein. And he was saying there

926
00:44:13,160 --> 00:44:15,920
Speaker 5: are studies where with different groups, one group is in

927
00:44:15,960 --> 00:44:18,480
Speaker 5: a calorie deficit and the other is not. The only

928
00:44:18,520 --> 00:44:21,000
Speaker 5: difference is the other group is having forty more grams

929
00:44:21,000 --> 00:44:22,920
Speaker 5: of protein to day and they lost more fat and

930
00:44:22,960 --> 00:44:25,320
Speaker 5: gained more muscle. And I was like, forty grams protein,

931
00:44:25,360 --> 00:44:27,120
Speaker 5: that's just one of these shakes. But here's the best

932
00:44:27,120 --> 00:44:29,560
Speaker 5: part is the next day I had one of these,

933
00:44:29,719 --> 00:44:31,600
Speaker 5: and I kid you not, I was full for like

934
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Speaker 5: six or seven hours.

935
00:44:33,040 --> 00:44:34,800
Speaker 3: And I said that to Yelda and he laughed.

936
00:44:34,840 --> 00:44:37,800
Speaker 5: He was like, I mean, that's that's a good amount

937
00:44:37,800 --> 00:44:39,120
Speaker 5: of protein you should be having in a day.

938
00:44:39,200 --> 00:44:40,600
Speaker 3: So that makes sense. And I was like, yeah, but

939
00:44:40,640 --> 00:44:42,040
Speaker 3: you had two of those, and he looks at me.

940
00:44:42,040 --> 00:44:45,040
Speaker 5: He goes, Danny, I'm literally three times the size of you,

941
00:44:45,120 --> 00:44:46,279
Speaker 5: Like it makes sense.

942
00:44:46,320 --> 00:44:47,799
Speaker 3: And I was like, okay, okay.

943
00:44:47,560 --> 00:44:49,840
Speaker 4: I'm like my first thought is is like, wait a minute,

944
00:44:49,880 --> 00:44:51,960
Speaker 4: like Danny Way's like ninety.

945
00:44:52,440 --> 00:44:54,239
Speaker 5: I was gonna say, don't say Danny Ways on a

946
00:44:54,239 --> 00:44:56,560
Speaker 5: podcast and then say a number afterwards.

947
00:44:56,600 --> 00:44:59,160
Speaker 2: Not bad, But what you need to do is get

948
00:44:59,160 --> 00:45:02,120
Speaker 2: in the squad rack, maybe the deadlift. Now that that video.

949
00:45:01,960 --> 00:45:03,719
Speaker 6: Will go to the problem with that is to carry

950
00:45:03,760 --> 00:45:04,520
Speaker 6: around stones.

951
00:45:05,000 --> 00:45:05,760
Speaker 3: Here's the problem.

952
00:45:05,800 --> 00:45:06,240
Speaker 2: Good.

953
00:45:06,440 --> 00:45:07,600
Speaker 3: That might be the next step.

954
00:45:07,640 --> 00:45:10,640
Speaker 5: Because one of one of our like physical therapists who

955
00:45:10,680 --> 00:45:12,359
Speaker 5: like I'm friendly with, I've run into him, like at

956
00:45:12,360 --> 00:45:15,920
Speaker 5: the hotel gym, which is I love the wigwams, so

957
00:45:15,920 --> 00:45:17,680
Speaker 5: I'm not going to say anything about their gym. And

958
00:45:17,760 --> 00:45:20,160
Speaker 5: he was saying to me, He's like, how's your workouts?

959
00:45:20,200 --> 00:45:21,919
Speaker 5: Then I was like, oh, I've been really lazy. I'm

960
00:45:21,960 --> 00:45:23,560
Speaker 5: just using it to kind of move my body in

961
00:45:23,600 --> 00:45:25,920
Speaker 5: the morning. I'm not not really like doing a hard workout.

962
00:45:25,960 --> 00:45:27,680
Speaker 5: He goes, okay, you'll work out with me a warning,

963
00:45:27,680 --> 00:45:30,120
Speaker 5: and I was like, that actually sounds pretty terrible. And

964
00:45:30,160 --> 00:45:31,760
Speaker 5: he was like, no, I'll put you through a workout.

965
00:45:31,760 --> 00:45:35,200
Speaker 5: And I was like, oh, yeah, you will. Okay, yeah,

966
00:45:35,800 --> 00:45:37,880
Speaker 5: because when I when I see this trainer in the

967
00:45:37,920 --> 00:45:40,000
Speaker 5: morning at like nine or nine thirty.

968
00:45:39,719 --> 00:45:41,200
Speaker 3: That's his second workout of the day.

969
00:45:41,480 --> 00:45:43,960
Speaker 5: No, yes, he's lifting at like five in the morning

970
00:45:43,960 --> 00:45:45,440
Speaker 5: at a different gym. He told me, He's like, yeah,

971
00:45:45,480 --> 00:45:48,080
Speaker 5: that's just my cardio time. And I was like, oh boy,

972
00:45:48,160 --> 00:45:50,319
Speaker 5: so stay tuned for that. I'll probably need two of

973
00:45:50,400 --> 00:45:52,520
Speaker 5: these protein shakes to get through that day.

974
00:45:52,719 --> 00:45:55,920
Speaker 2: You got that got extremely real, Danny. You know, you

975
00:45:56,040 --> 00:45:58,080
Speaker 2: learn your lesson there. Don't talk workouts with some of

976
00:45:58,120 --> 00:45:59,839
Speaker 2: the training staff and have been nfl tall.

977
00:46:00,080 --> 00:46:02,040
Speaker 6: She's got a protein, she's got a blanket on.

978
00:46:02,120 --> 00:46:02,279
Speaker 2: I know.

979
00:46:02,320 --> 00:46:03,200
Speaker 3: Now I'm getting a little warm.

980
00:46:03,280 --> 00:46:03,360
Speaker 6: Well.

981
00:46:03,400 --> 00:46:06,240
Speaker 5: The thing is is in the past, this this booth

982
00:46:06,280 --> 00:46:10,759
Speaker 5: has been freezing because we've had to close like the well,

983
00:46:10,800 --> 00:46:12,160
Speaker 5: the wall is up right now, but we've had to

984
00:46:12,200 --> 00:46:15,200
Speaker 5: close it because typically the field is coming in and out,

985
00:46:15,200 --> 00:46:16,239
Speaker 5: so it's really cold in here.

986
00:46:16,280 --> 00:46:18,800
Speaker 6: But right now the field's coming in, you can't well.

987
00:46:18,719 --> 00:46:21,759
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's only so early, so now that that's open,

988
00:46:21,800 --> 00:46:22,560
Speaker 5: it's a little warmer.

989
00:46:22,760 --> 00:46:26,719
Speaker 4: The bottom line is this, this podcast was built long

990
00:46:26,760 --> 00:46:31,760
Speaker 4: before you were in high school. Well maybe not, but this,

991
00:46:31,760 --> 00:46:36,200
Speaker 4: this podcast was built on the open window, and trash

992
00:46:36,440 --> 00:46:40,200
Speaker 4: can get indeed outside the window while we were recording.

993
00:46:40,239 --> 00:46:43,560
Speaker 2: So this is nothing that's right. We learned the hard

994
00:46:43,560 --> 00:46:47,320
Speaker 2: way to check the trash collection schedule of flag Staff

995
00:46:48,120 --> 00:46:51,239
Speaker 2: Municipal before we started doing a podcast back in the day.

996
00:46:51,280 --> 00:46:55,720
Speaker 2: You're absolutely right, Okay, any other takeaways, any camp postcards,

997
00:46:55,760 --> 00:46:59,359
Speaker 2: anything else, anything, any other rants and or stand out

998
00:46:59,440 --> 00:47:01,279
Speaker 2: players need to be identified.

999
00:47:01,840 --> 00:47:06,320
Speaker 4: I can see where you're coming from with your breakout players, Paul. However,

1000
00:47:06,480 --> 00:47:09,160
Speaker 4: what is the what is the day? Will it be

1001
00:47:09,320 --> 00:47:12,880
Speaker 4: an admission of fault if they don't come through?

1002
00:47:13,239 --> 00:47:15,960
Speaker 3: What is the end goal to make the final fifty three?

1003
00:47:16,520 --> 00:47:19,760
Speaker 2: Well, ultimately yes, but to make noise, to make noise

1004
00:47:19,800 --> 00:47:22,080
Speaker 2: in the preseason in the month August, you know, ideally

1005
00:47:22,120 --> 00:47:24,120
Speaker 2: in the games they come in, they ball out. You know,

1006
00:47:24,320 --> 00:47:26,799
Speaker 2: there's Xavier Thomas off the edge and he gets to

1007
00:47:26,840 --> 00:47:30,520
Speaker 2: the quarterback Xavier Weaver once again two x. We're going

1008
00:47:30,560 --> 00:47:33,200
Speaker 2: with these guys, you know, make big plays, ended up

1009
00:47:33,200 --> 00:47:35,560
Speaker 2: in the highlights, and they start getting the attention to

1010
00:47:35,600 --> 00:47:38,719
Speaker 2: the coaches because remember Tony Jefferson John Brown. These are

1011
00:47:38,719 --> 00:47:41,399
Speaker 2: guys that came out of nowhere made the final fifty three.

1012
00:47:41,480 --> 00:47:42,640
Speaker 2: They took someone's spot.

1013
00:47:42,760 --> 00:47:47,359
Speaker 5: That's my thought with Xavier Weaver is what jaj said about,

1014
00:47:47,360 --> 00:47:50,480
Speaker 5: You're not just competing in your position group, you're competing

1015
00:47:50,480 --> 00:47:53,160
Speaker 5: against everyone else in their position group. And I just

1016
00:47:53,200 --> 00:47:56,640
Speaker 5: think when you're looking at the other receivers and it

1017
00:47:56,680 --> 00:47:59,600
Speaker 5: being a numbers game, when you've got someone like Greg

1018
00:47:59,600 --> 00:48:02,600
Speaker 5: Dortch can return, you've got someone like DJ Dallas who

1019
00:48:02,600 --> 00:48:03,080
Speaker 5: can return.

1020
00:48:03,120 --> 00:48:05,240
Speaker 3: We've seen Michael Wilson doing a few returns.

1021
00:48:06,080 --> 00:48:07,880
Speaker 5: That to me is what would make it hard for

1022
00:48:07,960 --> 00:48:09,839
Speaker 5: Weaver to make this team is I think it's hard

1023
00:48:09,920 --> 00:48:12,680
Speaker 5: to make it just on special teams when the rest

1024
00:48:12,680 --> 00:48:16,120
Speaker 5: of your position room is already going to be filled.

1025
00:48:16,160 --> 00:48:19,480
Speaker 5: So that to me would say maybe more practice squad

1026
00:48:19,520 --> 00:48:24,040
Speaker 5: and then you'd be elevated when it's necessary. So we'll see.

1027
00:48:24,280 --> 00:48:27,720
Speaker 2: So if your top four receivers Marvin Arrison Junior, Michael Wilson,

1028
00:48:27,800 --> 00:48:29,680
Speaker 2: Greg DERs Zay Jones.

1029
00:48:30,000 --> 00:48:31,239
Speaker 3: I think you have room for one more.

1030
00:48:31,400 --> 00:48:34,919
Speaker 2: Yes, who's the clubhouse leader for wide receiver five? Right now?

1031
00:48:35,000 --> 00:48:38,120
Speaker 2: Who's the final wide receiver based on one week ACCOUMP?

1032
00:48:38,239 --> 00:48:40,759
Speaker 5: I think Chris Moore makes a good argument for his

1033
00:48:40,880 --> 00:48:45,800
Speaker 5: special teams abilities. I think that's probably a fair battle

1034
00:48:45,840 --> 00:48:47,840
Speaker 5: with Zach Pascal, and that was his major.

1035
00:48:47,680 --> 00:48:48,399
Speaker 3: Role last year.

1036
00:48:49,800 --> 00:48:51,600
Speaker 2: By the way, I love Chris Moore. He shared with

1037
00:48:51,719 --> 00:48:55,279
Speaker 2: us that his mom wouldn't let him play baseball growing up.

1038
00:48:55,320 --> 00:48:58,360
Speaker 2: I said, baseball. Usually moms don't let their kids play football.

1039
00:48:58,360 --> 00:49:00,759
Speaker 2: He said, no baseball because it was too boring. Shed

1040
00:49:00,880 --> 00:49:02,279
Speaker 2: want to have to sit through all the youth league

1041
00:49:02,280 --> 00:49:03,479
Speaker 2: and Little league baseball games.

1042
00:49:03,560 --> 00:49:03,880
Speaker 3: Check that.

1043
00:49:04,840 --> 00:49:07,319
Speaker 4: As a parent who lives in Arizona, I'm not gonna lie.

1044
00:49:07,360 --> 00:49:10,560
Speaker 4: When my youngest son moved from baseball to basketball is

1045
00:49:10,600 --> 00:49:13,600
Speaker 4: the best day of my life. I mean, I love basketball,

1046
00:49:13,600 --> 00:49:16,560
Speaker 4: don't get me wrong, But man, you win it summer.

1047
00:49:16,680 --> 00:49:18,600
Speaker 6: Well, you're you're a baseball parent, you know what that?

1048
00:49:18,640 --> 00:49:21,080
Speaker 2: Oh my goodness. Yeah, there was an all star Little

1049
00:49:21,120 --> 00:49:25,200
Speaker 2: League tournament. It was one eighteen at five o'clock. Ye.

1050
00:49:26,080 --> 00:49:28,000
Speaker 2: And what I love about Little League is they won't

1051
00:49:28,000 --> 00:49:31,520
Speaker 2: start the game till the the defence is closed completely

1052
00:49:31,560 --> 00:49:33,640
Speaker 2: in the dugout, like it can't be open three millimeters

1053
00:49:33,719 --> 00:49:35,920
Speaker 2: or the ump will stop the game for safety reasons.

1054
00:49:36,160 --> 00:49:38,440
Speaker 2: But we'll run a twelve year old out in catching

1055
00:49:38,480 --> 00:49:41,319
Speaker 2: equipment when it's a buck eighteen to catch a double header.

1056
00:49:41,360 --> 00:49:44,840
Speaker 2: Jim Molm Hunter knows that very well from experience, and honestly,

1057
00:49:44,920 --> 00:49:47,759
Speaker 2: like after three innings are like, we're changing catchers. Our

1058
00:49:47,760 --> 00:49:50,719
Speaker 2: second string catcher is awful, but look at him, right.

1059
00:49:50,800 --> 00:49:52,399
Speaker 2: We got to get that kid out of the game

1060
00:49:52,680 --> 00:49:53,719
Speaker 2: and get him hydrated.

1061
00:49:54,400 --> 00:49:56,200
Speaker 3: They need to have, you know, misters they have around

1062
00:49:56,239 --> 00:49:58,480
Speaker 3: like the restaurants out here. They just need to have those.

1063
00:49:58,600 --> 00:50:02,120
Speaker 2: Scruct you actually, or maybe misters around their the bill

1064
00:50:02,160 --> 00:50:04,279
Speaker 2: of their baseball camp. That'd be the hat. I mean,

1065
00:50:04,320 --> 00:50:04,960
Speaker 2: you know, the cap.

1066
00:50:04,840 --> 00:50:06,560
Speaker 6: Boom is right there to get the trademark.

1067
00:50:06,680 --> 00:50:08,719
Speaker 2: You know, I lot it so instead of losing the

1068
00:50:08,719 --> 00:50:10,839
Speaker 2: ball on the lights, you lose the ball in the mist.

1069
00:50:11,000 --> 00:50:14,319
Speaker 4: That would be the excuse for I know you're a

1070
00:50:14,320 --> 00:50:16,319
Speaker 4: big Cinderella fan, Paul, I can just see it.

1071
00:50:16,920 --> 00:50:21,120
Speaker 2: Couldn't stand Cinderella, White Snake Queen's Reich. No, No, I

1072
00:50:21,160 --> 00:50:21,880
Speaker 2: just couldn't take them.

1073
00:50:21,920 --> 00:50:23,279
Speaker 3: My dad didn't like white Snake.

1074
00:50:23,280 --> 00:50:26,200
Speaker 2: The instead of the hairbands. That's why. That's why I

1075
00:50:26,920 --> 00:50:28,080
Speaker 2: was a big So I ask your dad if he

1076
00:50:28,200 --> 00:50:29,920
Speaker 2: was it, Well, of course he is. He's from Texas.

1077
00:50:30,080 --> 00:50:32,359
Speaker 2: Your dad's a big Stevie ray Vaughn fan. That's why

1078
00:50:32,360 --> 00:50:33,960
Speaker 2: I was a big Stevie ray vaugh fan back and

1079
00:50:34,000 --> 00:50:37,040
Speaker 2: then I couldn't stand the hairbands. In fact, the past

1080
00:50:37,120 --> 00:50:39,320
Speaker 2: day was when the grunge movement happened.

1081
00:50:39,320 --> 00:50:41,520
Speaker 6: But I love those guys back in the day, so.

1082
00:50:42,200 --> 00:50:45,160
Speaker 2: Whatever, that'll do it for This edition of Cardinals Underground

1083
00:50:45,160 --> 00:50:48,560
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Speaker 2: Camp twenty twenty four.