Speaker 1: What's up? Everybody? Is Stephen Jackson, the Los Angeles RAMS
Speaker 1: all time leading rushier, co founder of the original Barber's School,
Speaker 1: as well as you can find our clothing line, the
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Speaker 1: Second Acts Podcast.
Speaker 2: I'll peed up, gentlemen, and this is the NFL Player's
Speaker 2: Second Acts podcast with me as always is my guy
Speaker 2: room and then Waves, boy hidden look at him.
Speaker 1: Waves.
Speaker 2: It's like a skunk. It's a lot, you know, getting
Speaker 2: the gray hair to do right. It is just it
Speaker 2: just takes a little bit more work, a couple more
Speaker 2: brushes every night, a couple more brushes in the morning,
Speaker 2: and I show up like this.
Speaker 1: All right, I'm ready.
Speaker 3: You can introduce that her next guess I'm.
Speaker 2: Okay, this next, gentleman. Classic part of my class, all
Speaker 2: pro running back for twelve seasons, RAMS all time leading rusher,
Speaker 2: top twenty on the all time NFL rushing List, co
Speaker 2: founder of the original barber School.
Speaker 3: Ladies and gentlemen, Stephen Jackson get hot.
Speaker 2: I would also like to say, this is the same
Speaker 2: guy that when anybody asked me, who's the toughest running
Speaker 2: back you had to tackle when you played? You are
Speaker 2: the guy that I named, not Adrian Peterson. I talk
Speaker 2: about Michael Michael Turner the Bardner a little bit too,
Speaker 2: because he was sure.
Speaker 3: Tough to hit. But you are the man. Yes, yeah,
Speaker 3: I appreciate that man, no doubt. Like it wasn't even close.
Speaker 1: Quite often I hear that question. A lot of casts
Speaker 1: named a lot of running back. I said, damn, was.
Speaker 3: That that easy? No?
Speaker 2: No, no, you were the most definitely not most definitely not.
Speaker 2: Stephen Jackson was the first running back that I legit
Speaker 2: had to like, no, you need to tackle plan going
Speaker 2: into the game.
Speaker 3: Yeah, like a plan to how to tackle one person.
Speaker 2: And it was also a rule to like if if
Speaker 2: he gets past the linebackers, it ain't nobody touched him yet,
Speaker 2: It's not my fault if I missed.
Speaker 3: That's just another rule. He was running through them arm tackles. Yeah,
Speaker 3: it was kind of the day. It's unfortunate. You know,
Speaker 3: you still look like you could play. Though.
Speaker 2: I know there's a lot it's a podcast, so people
Speaker 2: are listening right now.
Speaker 3: But yo, we got video too. We got video.
Speaker 2: But for the ones that can't get the video because
Speaker 2: they're driving, like Steve Jackson is, like he still swollen
Speaker 2: like you can't.
Speaker 3: You can't run up on him.
Speaker 1: I try to keep it together, how much you're.
Speaker 3: Wearing it, Like you you played around, what two forty,
Speaker 3: two thirty.
Speaker 1: Between two thirty five and two forty, I'm two forty
Speaker 1: right now. It just it's not as package as tight
Speaker 1: as it uses.
Speaker 3: Fine, it's fine as the base pack is basic. No tak,
Speaker 3: no jumpo. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I mean that's like when you bow the extras when
Speaker 2: you get a car. Yeah, I just want the base package, you.
Speaker 3: Know what I said.
Speaker 2: Still getting to forty, you just less muscle it down,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean?
Speaker 3: Less mustle it to forty still base back.
Speaker 2: I kind of feel like that's where we all say
Speaker 2: because I'm still kind of mind playing with And I'm
Speaker 2: like two ten two eight ish, I say, I like
Speaker 2: two of four or two or five is two of
Speaker 2: three depending on what that And I kind of feel
Speaker 2: like each year i'm away for football, like I just
Speaker 2: try to maintain that playing with. That means I'm healthy
Speaker 2: if I can. If I I ain't played in almost
Speaker 2: ten years, but if I can still maintain my playing
Speaker 2: with that's kind of how I maintained my health exactly.
Speaker 1: How I look at it, same thing.
Speaker 3: You know, it's the same way you look at it.
Speaker 3: It is okay.
Speaker 2: I got to give you one more compliment too, because
Speaker 2: my oldest brother, his name is Brian Harper. We call
Speaker 2: him b Harp. He talks a lot of trash all
Speaker 2: the time. You are the one person that he referenced
Speaker 2: to that. Like you know, Rome, I used to always think, like, man,
Speaker 2: I could get out there. I hear all these people
Speaker 2: say like, oh I could do this, I could do that,
Speaker 2: And then I guess you guys came to the Dome
Speaker 2: one time and he saw you jump about two or
Speaker 2: three cuts, two or three holes and then got outside
Speaker 2: and ran over somebody and then got out of bounce and.
Speaker 1: He was like, nah, you can't do that. Many did these.
Speaker 2: Running backs of the league. They next level. So it's
Speaker 2: always been about your speed or your power. Which one
Speaker 2: would you say is your best attribute?
Speaker 1: Oh wow, I would think. I always try to time
Speaker 1: up my impact. So I was like a baseball player aspect, right,
Speaker 1: So when I knew it was about to be impact,
Speaker 1: I try to explode through the shoulder paths or whoever
Speaker 1: was about to tackle.
Speaker 3: You want to deliver.
Speaker 1: I wanted to deliver, right, I knew I wasn't quite
Speaker 1: four two four three. I was four four respectable, but
Speaker 1: then at the same time very respectable. You got to
Speaker 1: understand who were talking to, Like this person ain't never
Speaker 1: ran a full fall, that's true.
Speaker 3: Person hasn't ran a four eight.
Speaker 1: That's It's like, you know, the thing is because we
Speaker 1: have we all have kids to think about. When you
Speaker 1: say stuff like that, the kids to them it's like, well, dad,
Speaker 1: you was only for four I'm like, so, you're right.
Speaker 3: I'm talking to teenagers a lot right now.
Speaker 1: I get it to get it, so yeah, impact, I
Speaker 1: would say, you know, it was always a blend. I
Speaker 1: always wanted to, you know, leave the game. Having everybody
Speaker 1: like that was a tough one.
Speaker 3: I didn't want that smoke. I'm just gonna say it, like, nah, I've.
Speaker 2: Dude, everybody made business decisions tackling this guy. I great
Speaker 2: about you all the time. I'm a big family you
Speaker 2: ors you know that. Well, I would say this. I
Speaker 2: was talking to some of our people here today, Jake
Speaker 2: and everybody, how you are my generations? Derrick Henry Where
Speaker 2: now we look at Derrick Henry and he's big, he's fast,
Speaker 2: he has a stiff arm and he's roll tied and
Speaker 2: so went to a great university. I mean, he's amazing,
Speaker 2: he won a Heisman, he's done all these great things.
Speaker 2: But in our generation, we had Steven Jackson. And so
Speaker 2: how do you feel about that comparison? And do you
Speaker 2: think you get enough of your flowers from those that
Speaker 2: maybe because you played with Saint Lucient, you probably didn't
Speaker 2: win as much as you guys wanted to at times.
Speaker 1: No, I appreciate the compliment. I could see the similarities
Speaker 1: in our game. You know, once being a running back,
Speaker 1: it's a small fraternity. But what's even smaller within that
Speaker 1: fraternity is the big backs. Yes, right, So, like you said,
Speaker 1: like I felt like the torch was handed to me
Speaker 1: from Eddie George. And when I met Eddie it was
Speaker 1: one it was a huge honor. But we talked about,
Speaker 1: you know, it's some smaller guys, they're gonna feel like
Speaker 1: you can't do certain things. You just go out there
Speaker 1: and do your thing. So when I seen Derek come
Speaker 1: on the scene, it kind of it was like, Yo,
Speaker 1: the big back is still alive. Right, It's not a
Speaker 1: whole bunch of scat backs and running backs by the committee.
Speaker 1: It is a guy out there that just do everything
Speaker 1: and be that that soul. But for Derek, what he's
Speaker 1: doing in the career he's had, it's amazing because at first,
Speaker 1: you know, at Tennessee, when he didn't win the Super
Speaker 1: Bowl there, I was like, man, are they going to
Speaker 1: use up his years? Kind of like what happened to
Speaker 1: me in Saint Louis. But to see what has happened
Speaker 1: and this year he had in Baltimore, it was like kudos.
Speaker 1: And then you pair that up with taekuon doing like
Speaker 1: the big back in the running back is back. So
Speaker 1: I'm excited about.
Speaker 2: That now when you say big back, because you know
Speaker 2: I'm not. It's not always about weight, No. I think
Speaker 2: when you refer to the big back, it's the hype, right,
Speaker 2: It's the way you know you're talking about scat backs.
Speaker 2: We scatbacks are there's still two hundred pounds, but they're
Speaker 2: like five eight five ten. Yeah, you are six two,
Speaker 2: six six two, you're six two. Derek Henry's six three.
Speaker 1: He's at least six four. I think he got two
Speaker 1: inches on me, six four. I think.
Speaker 3: Vegas they never still to him he was I was legit.
Speaker 3: I was like, he probably six two No, he's definitely
Speaker 3: not six too. He's definitely that. He's definitely telling me,
Speaker 3: damn crazy.
Speaker 2: But that's what you mean by big back, right, And
Speaker 2: I forgot that Eddie George was. Eddie George is extremely
Speaker 2: tall back as well, probably Eric Dickerous to the guys
Speaker 2: before that, I would assume all the big backs. So
Speaker 2: how do you feel about the resurgence of the running back?
Speaker 2: How big of a year has it been? Because everybody
Speaker 2: tried to downplay the run of the position, and all
Speaker 2: of a sudden, now the teams that are here are
Speaker 2: they got running backs?
Speaker 1: For sure. I think it's important for the position. I
Speaker 1: think for a lot of times, as we know, the
Speaker 1: NFL is a copycat league. So when teams are having
Speaker 1: successful multiple running backs, and then you could you could
Speaker 1: couple that excuse with having insurance because guys don't last
Speaker 1: the whole season. It makes for a great argument when
Speaker 1: somebody's building a team for scratch. But I think you know,
Speaker 1: when you start talking about and later in the season,
Speaker 1: you need a big guy that's a possession guy that
Speaker 1: the moment won't get too big for him. He get
Speaker 1: you know, gets you a first down, but he also
Speaker 1: hits your home run for you. And also with the
Speaker 1: way defense are playing, you guys are on your side
Speaker 1: of the football field. You guys are going more exotic.
Speaker 1: You guys are going smaller linebackers. I could run with
Speaker 1: the tight end and cover out the backfield. So if
Speaker 1: you start thinking about, like where's my advantage? Where do
Speaker 1: I take? You know, where's on offense? Can we take
Speaker 1: advantage of that matchup? You're talking about five six man
Speaker 1: box with smaller guys. You put there, you put myself in,
Speaker 1: and then you know you at least expecting five yards. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, what was your favorite run play?
Speaker 1: So at Oregon State we were a single back offense. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and I learned to run inside the zone and it
Speaker 1: gave me the freedom that if I found the hole,
Speaker 1: I could get there. So it's it's my bread and butter,
Speaker 1: it's my stable. I say, I made a lot of
Speaker 1: money off that play because all you got to do
Speaker 1: is get someone overflowing and you can take that backside cut,
Speaker 1: you know, and you can crease them. So I would go,
Speaker 1: I would say inside zone and then after that, I
Speaker 1: gotta go gap scheme. I like power, Yeah, hat on
Speaker 1: the hat, let's go.
Speaker 2: I like that I hate that cutback, bro, because that's
Speaker 2: usually the safeties gays exactly.
Speaker 3: Decision, decision. I'll tell you I never had to worry
Speaker 3: about it. No, bro, if it.
Speaker 2: Got all the way out there, you could just push
Speaker 2: him out of bounds, you know. And you're a big
Speaker 2: corner two peanuts, So like you know, it's different. How
Speaker 2: would you describe your running style?
Speaker 1: I would like to say I'm a classic. I'm a
Speaker 1: nineties and nineties back. I think I'm a guy that
Speaker 1: could I could protect it in the backfield. I mean,
Speaker 1: your last line of defense, small enough to run the hots.
Speaker 1: If I need to run a route out the backfield,
Speaker 1: I got soft hands. But then you know from the
Speaker 1: from the center on out to the tight end, I could,
Speaker 1: I could hit it, I could crease it, and I
Speaker 1: had enough speed to pull away. So I believe I'm
Speaker 1: a back that I give coaches problems because he has
Speaker 1: to figure out when can he take me off the field.
Speaker 1: And as my my oldest son, our oldest son is eighteen,
Speaker 1: he's a running back. He'll be going to Oregon State
Speaker 1: next year. That's my relations sure, dude, So that's that's
Speaker 1: what Skyler Jackson Colear Jackson don't put pressure on him
Speaker 1: to make sure that he's all around. I don't want
Speaker 1: him to just say I'm a scatter on this on
Speaker 1: that you're neither you are what the coach needs you
Speaker 1: to be.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I think that's a huge compliment to you
Speaker 2: because that was one of your big things. I know,
Speaker 2: I compared you to Derrick Henry. Well, our generations Derrick
Speaker 2: Henry were, You're this generation. You know, he's you're their generation,
Speaker 2: Stephen Jackson in my opinion, but you caught the ball
Speaker 2: the backfield. You're like a true truth threat. You were
Speaker 2: the number one option pretty much mary An he catches
Speaker 2: one season, you were the number one option, Yes, sir,
Speaker 2: that's a very slept on season, too, very very slept
Speaker 2: on season. I saw that on my Instagram real the
Speaker 2: other day, like that is a great slept on season
Speaker 2: for Stephen Jackson running backs.
Speaker 3: And so with that, was it the hands? The catching?
Speaker 2: Is that just something you always had or is that
Speaker 2: something you had to literally work on? Because for me,
Speaker 2: I had to work on catching the ball because I
Speaker 2: wasn't used to the The NFL ball doesn't have a
Speaker 2: white strike right, So for me, I really struggled picking
Speaker 2: it up with my eyes.
Speaker 1: No, for me, I was a natural catcher. But what
Speaker 1: made me want to get really good at it my
Speaker 1: rookie year back to Marshall fault, right, and you can't
Speaker 1: tell coach Mike Martz something that I can't do it.
Speaker 1: He like, well, Marshall could do it. You know. It
Speaker 1: kind of put that pressure on me to become all
Speaker 1: around really good. I just understanding route running and then leverage.
Speaker 1: Right when you get on on on the defender, what
Speaker 1: he leaning are you giving him something at the top
Speaker 1: of your route. All those things came later, you know,
Speaker 1: once to do my career. As far as being a
Speaker 1: natural catch, I was able to do that, you know.
Speaker 1: And then again it goes back to college career. We
Speaker 1: ran a pro style offense. I had Dennis Erickson, but
Speaker 1: he ran that. You know. We would go three four
Speaker 1: ride and we're gonna we're gonna just let you pick
Speaker 1: your poison. Yeah.
Speaker 2: So I know in our era we had some big
Speaker 2: we have some big running backs, but yet we also
Speaker 2: had the we had the big linebackers. Yes, and you're
Speaker 2: an all around back. You can run, you can block
Speaker 2: and catch. Give me a name of a player that
Speaker 2: gave you the business in the backfield when he was
Speaker 2: trying to protect.
Speaker 1: They happened in practice. Pem okay, mine's happened in practice practice? Yeah,
Speaker 1: Chris Clayborn, Yeah yeah, sc big linebacker two fifty two sixty.
Speaker 1: We're doing one on one protection and you know, in practice,
Speaker 1: especially trading camp, you know, you gotta you gotta bug
Speaker 1: your Chinstrapstely, I will never forget. We was like it
Speaker 1: was like the last ten plays in the School of
Speaker 1: damn teen script.
Speaker 3: You have made it, we'd have made it. We about
Speaker 3: to go to we about to go in the locker room.
Speaker 1: Here we go and Chris came in on the bliss
Speaker 1: man and I I didn't take him serious, and he
Speaker 1: got you got this. You gut his helmet underneath me
Speaker 1: and he split my chin. I had to get I
Speaker 1: had to get stitches out the practice so my you know,
Speaker 1: I have fun memories of that, but there's no nummy
Speaker 1: for the chin really, so you just they just sewing
Speaker 1: you up. And I was so mad at critical you
Speaker 1: would do that. We got to be out of practice.
Speaker 1: What we do? What are we doing here? Yeah? What
Speaker 1: year was he? Y'all? Events we were I was probably
Speaker 1: year two or three. I was skill a puppy. I
Speaker 1: was still a puppy, but he was coming over to
Speaker 1: the team and his first year with us, so I
Speaker 1: get it right. It was point.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you having to be the point, to be the point. Ye,
Speaker 2: what is your welcome to the NFL moment?
Speaker 1: Lawyer malloy in Buffalo.
Speaker 3: Ye, this is another thing, pop right out.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, lawyer malloy in Buffalo. At that time, I
Speaker 1: wasn't playing a lot, so they were just spot giving
Speaker 1: me plays. We're on the we're on a goal line,
Speaker 1: and coach calls a run play for me to run in.
Speaker 1: I came in high. I'm just used to run over
Speaker 1: everybody in college. Lawyer came in and clean my clog man.
Speaker 1: I thought I swallowed my tongue. My running back coach
Speaker 1: at the time, he was like, Yo, don't you ever
Speaker 1: do that again? And the next damn film we just
Speaker 1: kept rewinding it and I was just like, Okay, I
Speaker 1: get the hazing, I get it. I would never do
Speaker 1: that again. Was it was?
Speaker 2: It just a constant slower wind back and they just
Speaker 2: keep talking, just running back, just keep running back.
Speaker 3: Those are like the most embarrassing moments.
Speaker 2: So I remember being in games and I would get
Speaker 2: hit by a line and a run, you miss tackle,
Speaker 2: someone runs you over. And the first thing that I
Speaker 2: would say that was like, damn, we gotta Washington team.
Speaker 2: We gotta Washington team. Film and you're sitting there, Washington
Speaker 2: and they're watching it and it's like you falling and
Speaker 2: going back and she's falling going back and she falling
Speaker 2: going back, and everyone's.
Speaker 3: Like damn, damn, hey, look look, and you're.
Speaker 2: Just like, oh my god, just go to the next
Speaker 2: play already, Why don't please?
Speaker 1: Special one is on that's running back. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: you guys got three or four people to watch because
Speaker 1: you guys in a group.
Speaker 3: Like it was on the one back. Then I see
Speaker 3: what I did.
Speaker 1: I see what I do? You know what?
Speaker 3: That is a great point. Actually, I never actually thought
Speaker 3: about that.
Speaker 2: When you're coaching the running backs and y'all are in
Speaker 2: the meeting room and it's just one running back and
Speaker 2: you mess up, like.
Speaker 3: Bro, we ain't got to do that six times, but
Speaker 3: we all saw it. You don't have to, Like we
Speaker 3: got two corners.
Speaker 2: We got to talk about what they do in the
Speaker 2: play so much embarrassing. So it's a lot like we
Speaker 2: could get through it. That's just like bro ain't but
Speaker 2: one of us like like we got it.
Speaker 1: Try to go to the bathroom, they're palls and wait
Speaker 1: on you.
Speaker 3: I I.
Speaker 2: It's the worst. So RAMS all time leaning rusher. Where
Speaker 2: does that rank in all the list of your accomplishments.
Speaker 1: It's a big, a huge, no, it's a big deal.
Speaker 1: So when I when I was able to take the
Speaker 1: starting job, it was a golden mine and become the
Speaker 1: RAMS all time leading rusher. And when it happened, it
Speaker 1: happened in Tampa, it was one that I was extremely
Speaker 1: proud of because I knew the two people I had
Speaker 1: to pass to get to be number one, and to
Speaker 1: have those names the second and third now behind minds,
Speaker 1: it means that I had at least a career that
Speaker 1: I could be like, I could hold my head up high.
Speaker 1: And it's one of those things that means a lot
Speaker 1: to me. Who knows, there's a hall of famous you know,
Speaker 1: to come knock it or not, but it's one of
Speaker 1: those things that I can say, Hey, in that organization,
Speaker 1: I rang up there with two of the greats that
Speaker 1: ever played the game. So it's something that I'm very
Speaker 1: proud of.
Speaker 2: Well, you're a head of two Hall of Famers, So
Speaker 2: that that matters, you know what I mean, that's a
Speaker 2: beautiful thing.
Speaker 1: That's about telling my family and they ain't listening.
Speaker 3: Keep that football in Tampa.
Speaker 1: You have it?
Speaker 2: Yes, who is the team that you struggle you felt
Speaker 2: like you struggled versus if there were any team?
Speaker 3: Was it a defense? Was it a scheme?
Speaker 2: Who's somebody that you actually like, feel like Steven Jackson stroke?
Speaker 2: Because when I watched you play, I don't think anybody
Speaker 2: ever like made Stephen Jackson struggle.
Speaker 1: I would tell you the toughest is three four to
Speaker 1: two gap guys.
Speaker 3: Yeah. San Francisco did a lot.
Speaker 1: Yeah, when they were on their run, they were one.
Speaker 1: They were on there justin Smith yeah yeah yeah. He
Speaker 1: showed you had one way and then discard. Yeah. So
Speaker 1: those were the defense that gave me frustration, made me
Speaker 1: really like question my eyes. I remember coming up to
Speaker 1: the sign like am I seeing it right? Like everywhere
Speaker 1: they are everywhere. So I would say those particular.
Speaker 2: Kind of schemes, okay, three three fours.
Speaker 1: Guy that could disengage, right, he got to be strong
Speaker 1: enough where he could just he.
Speaker 3: Could show you one hat in one hole and then
Speaker 3: you know full.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Justin Smith was a big problem for a lot
Speaker 2: of people. Yeah, I want another.
Speaker 3: We're gonna take a short break and we'll be right back.
Speaker 2: I got to pick him the thirty three, and I
Speaker 2: had my reasons for doing it. Why did you get
Speaker 2: the number thirty nine?
Speaker 1: Thirty nine comes from me and my dad. My dad
Speaker 1: has always been like I wouldn't say he was my coach,
Speaker 1: but he was my professional critic. He was never a
Speaker 1: coach on the staff, but the rides home from practice
Speaker 1: in the game, he let me know, like, hey, play
Speaker 1: seven like that you was stripping. So that was kind
Speaker 1: of dad I had. So he toughened me up for
Speaker 1: the media and the criticism that was to come in
Speaker 1: the future. But I would say it had such great
Speaker 1: He's still here on the earth with us, but I
Speaker 1: had such great respect for his opinion on things. So
Speaker 1: I remember getting to the NFL, like Dad, I warned
Speaker 1: thirty four all my life out of a you know,
Speaker 1: tribute to Walter Payton and Bo Jackson. But now I
Speaker 1: want to do my own thing. I want to be
Speaker 1: able to have somewhat of an impression on another generation
Speaker 1: the way those guys had impression on me, and I
Speaker 1: was like, I was looking around the league and no
Speaker 1: starting running back in the NFL has thirty nine. I
Speaker 1: was like, what do you think of that? And he
Speaker 1: goes and we're in the car right and he goes,
Speaker 1: I was thinking about this as well, and he was like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I think that's your number because it's thirty nine books
Speaker 1: in the Old Testament. And I'm come from a very
Speaker 1: religious background and in that it was me taking one,
Speaker 1: me and my dad agreeing on the number, but taking
Speaker 1: my faith on the on the field with me because
Speaker 1: I feel Gods who placed me there.
Speaker 3: I love that. I usually make fun of thirty nine.
Speaker 1: Well, Marshall fall did it for a long time.
Speaker 3: I'm glad that Marshall from Louisida bro I get it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, because ain't better though, No, So let me
Speaker 2: tell you the difference because for me, it's heavy. It's
Speaker 2: it's not heavy, it's it's how wide. So the three
Speaker 2: is a big number naturally, so it was four. It's
Speaker 2: a big numb back now. But the one is very slimmy, okay,
Speaker 2: So it helps with my body with just having the
Speaker 2: slim one.
Speaker 3: You you can carry it, you can hold a thirty nine.
Speaker 2: It doesn't look big on you, but if it was
Speaker 2: on me, it would look big because I got a
Speaker 2: big three and a big nine because nine is a
Speaker 2: big number two, So you got to think about those things.
Speaker 2: It's a full back number, bro, I don't care how
Speaker 2: you try to make the one slimming and sexy forty one.
Speaker 3: It's forty. It's like a full back number, Brun. I
Speaker 3: can see that.
Speaker 1: That's that's all right now? Yeah?
Speaker 3: Aka, I meaning jersey sales every day.
Speaker 1: Yeah, for men go to the thirty nine.
Speaker 3: Know when the start is getting.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: That's another thing too, because like NFL teams, they don't
Speaker 2: just put your jerseys up. Has Oregon State retired? Has
Speaker 2: or I mean, has the Rams the Rams all your college?
Speaker 1: No, No, I'm in. I'm in my university's Hall of Fame.
Speaker 2: They haven't retired, and they don't do the number. They
Speaker 2: don't do it, okay.
Speaker 1: And then as far as the Rams trash, no, no,
Speaker 1: it's a youngster was wearing it this.
Speaker 3: Year, Okay, sore subject.
Speaker 1: I Wonmber.
Speaker 2: I just remember today I retired. They gave my number
Speaker 2: away literally the next year, and I was like, damn,
Speaker 2: y'all couldn't let it like rest, no for like a year,
Speaker 2: a season.
Speaker 3: We need that couple. Yeah, we need that Week one,
Speaker 3: we need that, We need that. I was sorry.
Speaker 2: I want to know how tough it was losing in
Speaker 2: twenty fifteen in the AFC Championship Game because you went
Speaker 2: to New England.
Speaker 3: I'm assuming you were like, I'm coming here.
Speaker 2: I'm trying to win me a super Bowl because that,
Speaker 2: like all of us, at some point, that's like a box.
Speaker 2: I think we all as natural athletes, and when you
Speaker 2: get into an NFL locker room, you want to check
Speaker 2: that box. How tough was that for you to actually
Speaker 2: experience that?
Speaker 1: It actually wasn't as tough as you think it would
Speaker 1: have been. Right that year. I had turned down earlier
Speaker 1: in this season that Arizona Cardinals had to offer me
Speaker 1: a deal, and I kind of stayed away from it.
Speaker 1: My dad was dealing with cancer. He's bat on a cancer.
Speaker 1: I wanted to be there for the family. So when
Speaker 1: I passed that opportunity up, I didn't get another phone
Speaker 1: call right and that you're talking about August training camp
Speaker 1: and then the phone stops. So my wife's here in
Speaker 1: the studio and I told her, I said, hey, we
Speaker 1: get to Labor Day weekend. I don't get a call.
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna shut it down. I know, cause we
Speaker 1: all see that that guy come in and out the
Speaker 1: locker room. Hey, I'm hoping I get on and it's
Speaker 1: like October November. You're like, bro, So I'm just keeping
Speaker 1: on when I I don't want to be. I don't
Speaker 1: want to be that guy. So I shut it down.
Speaker 1: And then sure enough, we're out Christmas tree shopping. I
Speaker 1: get a phone call and at the time, you know,
Speaker 1: Coach Belichick's the GM. So I answered the phone from
Speaker 1: an unknown number of Massachusetts and I'm like, yo, who's
Speaker 1: this And he's like Steven.
Speaker 3: And I was like that's my voice. Everybody know that voice.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm like yeah. He was like this coach, what's
Speaker 1: the name? Just went down and uh, we need to
Speaker 1: we need a running back, I said, Coach. I stopped
Speaker 1: working on in September. I'll be a shell of my
Speaker 1: stuff if I took this opportunity. So he said some
Speaker 1: words and sold me. He was a pretty good salesman.
Speaker 1: He was like hey, and I will never forget. He
Speaker 1: was almost like an Oul Bundy. He's like, you don't
Speaker 1: want to be that guy? On the couch in your
Speaker 1: forties and fifties, saying, why did I not, you know,
Speaker 1: take that opportunity because I could have got a super
Speaker 1: Bowl out of it. I was like, man, coach booked
Speaker 1: a fight.
Speaker 4: Hit you with the oul Bundy to be that sees
Speaker 4: my wife, You're not you just feel a glare right,
Speaker 4: you can just feel a good babe.
Speaker 1: I just committed to New England. I don't think we
Speaker 1: need to get the tree right I don't think we
Speaker 1: need to get the tree right now. She was so
Speaker 1: mad at me. Get on the flight, go to New England.
Speaker 1: Things are working out and this is when Lugarrett Blunt
Speaker 1: went down. Sorry, So when I get there, I was
Speaker 1: telling myself this whole time. I said, hey, you got
Speaker 1: there calling in the summer. It didn't work out for you,
Speaker 1: So this might be your last run. Definitely try to
Speaker 1: win the super Bowl, but if you don't do anything else.
Speaker 1: I just try to remember everything. I remember Wednesday practice.
Speaker 1: You're like, I was just taking it all in and
Speaker 1: it was almost over the movies. I can see the
Speaker 1: title coming on, right, I can see it. So those
Speaker 1: things of preparation like that was starting to kind of
Speaker 1: brace me for the moment. Get fast forward to the game.
Speaker 1: I scored the first touchdown on the SC Championship game,
Speaker 1: So in my head, I said, Oh, it's happening. Oh,
Speaker 1: we're gonna win this game. We're going to go to
Speaker 1: the Championship, were going to Super Bowl. Then Peyton Man
Speaker 1: and does Peyton Man and things, and you know that
Speaker 1: defense they had at the time they beat us. They
Speaker 1: got the best of us that day. And it was
Speaker 1: one of those things where like when I walked off
Speaker 1: the field, I just said thank you. I just said
Speaker 1: thank you, because prior to that, I hadn't had a
Speaker 1: chance to say thank you. I didn't know it was Indy,
Speaker 1: I didn't know it was over. And at that point
Speaker 1: I told myself and like, I put my family through enough.
Speaker 1: Anytime I turn on the tape, anybody look at the field.
Speaker 1: I don't think they ever said took the playoffs. I
Speaker 1: love that.
Speaker 2: I'm so glad you shared that perspective because we're thinking, like, oh, man.
Speaker 3: It was your one chance.
Speaker 2: How disappointing were You're like, nah, bro, I was literally
Speaker 2: just thankful every every Wednesday, every Thursday I had because
Speaker 2: you knew you were there.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's awesome.
Speaker 1: Now if I didn't get that opportunity, I think i'd
Speaker 1: probably be like some other some of our other peers, right,
Speaker 1: just angry, Yeah, just angry. And I just think I
Speaker 1: thank God that I got that moment to just say
Speaker 1: at peace with everything.
Speaker 2: Well, I think it's it's a blessing that you got
Speaker 2: a chance to retire and do it on your terms.
Speaker 2: We talked to a couple of guys and it was like, well,
Speaker 2: I didn't retire football retired me.
Speaker 3: I still would have kept playing.
Speaker 2: And it sounds like you were at peace and you
Speaker 2: walked away when you wanted to walk away.
Speaker 3: I think that's the cool thing. That's that's Can I
Speaker 3: ask you a question, yes, sir.
Speaker 1: When you lost the one year play the what did
Speaker 1: you lose one? Yeah?
Speaker 2: We lost in fifteen lot fifteen, Yeah, the same different team.
Speaker 1: How did that feel? Right? So that was losing one
Speaker 1: game before losing in the super Bowl.
Speaker 2: Oh, definitely in the Super Bowl, I've lost. So I've
Speaker 2: lost an NFC championship once and I've lost two Super Bowls,
Speaker 2: and I think they both are pretty painful. I still
Speaker 2: have PTSD because I have yet to watch Super Bowl whatever,
Speaker 2: the one in Chicago.
Speaker 3: I forget that one, the one.
Speaker 2: I still have yet to watch that game all the
Speaker 2: way through, and I have yet to watch Super Bowl fifty.
Speaker 3: Like, I don't know.
Speaker 2: I like coming here and I like doing shows and
Speaker 2: things for Super Bowl and everybody, But at the same time, it's.
Speaker 1: Like, damn, oh, that's right, we would have played each other.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, so shout out to room. He's always throwing
Speaker 2: shade my way because he got his Super Bowl Where's Yeah,
Speaker 2: but no, it's it's hard to get over though, for sure,
Speaker 2: because you know, like that was my that was my
Speaker 2: one shot, or this is my opportunity. And I remember
Speaker 2: Brian Urlacker in the huddle as they're doing their victory.
Speaker 2: He goes, hey, we'll be back, don't worry, and he
Speaker 2: never went back. I was the only one on that
Speaker 2: defense to ever go back to to a Super Bowl.
Speaker 3: I was the only one.
Speaker 1: Got to share something with you my rookie year, Saint Louis.
Speaker 1: We go to the playoffs, right b Seattle three times,
Speaker 1: get out the wild card round, go to Division on
Speaker 1: lowis to Atlanta, and same similar speeches, gaven, we'd be
Speaker 1: back next year. I didn't go back to the playoffs
Speaker 1: until my twelfth season. Yeah, I had eleven year drought.
Speaker 2: It's bananas to me that because you always think we'll
Speaker 2: just get back, yeah, and it like, but you never
Speaker 2: get to carry over this year's success is the next year,
Speaker 2: and every team's different. It's so weird, Like we went
Speaker 2: to the NFC Championship game my rookie year when I
Speaker 2: was in New Orleans two years off, didn't won a
Speaker 2: Super Bowl, then went on this stretcher like I went
Speaker 2: to the playoff every year in my career, be side
Speaker 2: like two.
Speaker 1: Just weird.
Speaker 2: And then all of a sudden, I went to a
Speaker 2: couple of Super Bowls. Losing it stinks and I'd almost
Speaker 2: rather like not go. Honestly, I think you did yourself
Speaker 2: a favor. I'd rather it's the whole thing, Like you'd
Speaker 2: rather have loved and lost or never loved it all.
Speaker 3: I think it's never loved it all.
Speaker 2: I truly, truly believe that I would much rather never
Speaker 2: go than actually having to sit there and lose the
Speaker 2: Super Bowl, because you know what, that owner they still
Speaker 2: playing that Super Bowl party and people still show up.
Speaker 2: We got to pretend like it's still a good time,
Speaker 2: and ain't nobody happy smiling?
Speaker 3: Super is the worst absolutely worst. And I've been on
Speaker 3: the other side.
Speaker 2: We're like the super Bowl party jumping and I gotta
Speaker 2: leave because Miami clubs still calling me.
Speaker 3: And it's two am. I got stuck up, you know,
Speaker 3: like like.
Speaker 2: It's still going, you know, so like it's two totally
Speaker 2: different sides of it. And for me, honestly, Steven, I
Speaker 2: would say, you, it's better off that, you know, you
Speaker 2: didn't lose the super Bowl and you lost it in
Speaker 2: the championship game. I appreciate that.
Speaker 3: Let's flip it real quick again.
Speaker 2: We were in Arizona and we were at the NFL
Speaker 2: Legends Lounge and I don't know any barbers or anybody
Speaker 2: like that in a z So we're at the Legends
Speaker 2: Lounge and I got to cut talking to these cats
Speaker 2: talking to the barbers, and they had they had the school,
Speaker 2: learned a little bit about them. Thought it was great.
Speaker 2: They went on and chopped me up real quick.
Speaker 1: Great.
Speaker 2: Last year super Bowl was in Vegas and I see
Speaker 2: the same barbers out in Vegas and I thought.
Speaker 3: It was great.
Speaker 2: I was like, oh, okay, there was one dude. He
Speaker 2: was a a I don't say that. I forget his name,
Speaker 2: but he's a fan of the Green team. Oh the packer.
Speaker 2: Yeah you know what I'm talking about. Yeah, the Green team.
Speaker 2: And he was just chopping it up about this Green team,
Speaker 2: this and this Green team that I didn't really care.
Speaker 2: So fast forward, I'm in Vegas again. I do something
Speaker 2: with the Raiders. So I call up a April.
Speaker 3: I was like, I need the barber. Well, you know
Speaker 3: that's Steven's school.
Speaker 2: I was like, wait what, yeah, loss barbers. He's got
Speaker 2: a he's got a college. He's he's got a barber school.
Speaker 2: So I went on and I called you up, and
Speaker 2: you can't folk.
Speaker 3: He went on.
Speaker 1: I went over to carrier.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I went over to the shop. He went on
Speaker 3: and shopped me up, had a great convo.
Speaker 2: My question is what made you want to get into
Speaker 2: opening your own barber school.
Speaker 1: So in high school I went to a vocational high school, Okay,
Speaker 1: and during that time I learned drafting and I wanted
Speaker 1: to be an architect, like that was my long term goal. Yeah, yeah, big.
Speaker 1: And seeing some of my peers go on to study
Speaker 1: other things, right, electricians, some with cosmetology, other was like newscaster.
Speaker 1: I would watch all my high school peers go on
Speaker 1: to have successful careers and still some of them are
Speaker 1: still doing it to this day. Fast forward, here we
Speaker 1: are in twenty twenty. All right, careers over. I've experienced
Speaker 1: a dream life dream of mine, and I know what
Speaker 1: the other side feels like to achieve something. So me
Speaker 1: and Carl, my best friend in my hare since high school,
Speaker 1: we're talking and, like all of us go through a screen.
Speaker 1: I said, Hey, if the world was to stop now
Speaker 1: or open back up, what do you wish you had, had,
Speaker 1: have done or we'll have when it opens back up?
Speaker 1: He said, a school two thousand and four. I've always
Speaker 1: had that foundation based around children literacy, so I'm always
Speaker 1: big in education and I always wanted a school on
Speaker 1: my own. I just didn't know what kind of school, right.
Speaker 1: So he and I were talking about our plans and
Speaker 1: wishes in life, and he was like, I want to school.
Speaker 1: I'm like, WHOA, Like, I've never shared this with my
Speaker 1: friend that I wanted my own school. I'm like, what
Speaker 1: kind of school you have in mind? So he had
Speaker 1: the genius idea of the Barber School. I'm like, wait,
Speaker 1: that makes so much sense. It goes back to my
Speaker 1: trade school in high school, and the realization is you
Speaker 1: can help young people achieve their life goal. It doesn't
Speaker 1: have to be anything you know that we've achieved. Like
Speaker 1: I always tell the students when I talk to now,
Speaker 1: achievement and dedication to something is what you want to
Speaker 1: fulfills your life and help you provide for yourself and
Speaker 1: your family. So in that we opened the barber school.
Speaker 1: Now what's funny is any story always has is lumps.
Speaker 1: The month I bought the building, governments shut down the world.
Speaker 1: So I just buy a brand new commercial building and
Speaker 1: I can't use it for eleven months. So now questioning
Speaker 1: did I make the wrong decision? Yeah, pulling my hair out,
Speaker 1: stuck with it. We just gave us time to work
Speaker 1: on the curriculum, start working on the build out, getting
Speaker 1: things done. At least we could work on the construction
Speaker 1: part of things. Then once we got to the point
Speaker 1: where the world opened back up, our first class is
Speaker 1: only five people. So now I'm stressed, Right, did I
Speaker 1: make the right investment? And is this thing going to
Speaker 1: work out? Second month that turned into fifteen students. After
Speaker 1: that we were completely occupied. Forty forty students. Right, that's
Speaker 1: where we're license to carrying given our size. Now we're
Speaker 1: to the point We've been so blessed that we have
Speaker 1: a five month waiting list just to be a new student,
Speaker 1: and every month we take new recruits in that show
Speaker 1: them that we have interest in this. Just this January,
Speaker 1: last week we had fifty new arrollies. Let's say they
Speaker 1: have interest to come to the school. So I say
Speaker 1: that to say is it was two friends saying what
Speaker 1: we wanted out of life, if it was all over,
Speaker 1: what we hope to achieve, and we put our two
Speaker 1: minds and talents together and that's how it happened.
Speaker 3: And that's awesome.
Speaker 2: My barber and Charlotte he started at barber school like
Speaker 2: two years ago and he's owned shops before. But now
Speaker 2: it kind of feeds itself now because the school is
Speaker 2: able to like when you get guys to graduate or
Speaker 2: young ladies to graduate, they can just go right over
Speaker 2: to the barbershops school and it's awesome. And he talks
Speaker 2: about everything that you're saying. It's like, dude, this ain't
Speaker 2: about me. It's about me being able to let these
Speaker 2: other young people find a skill, to be able to
Speaker 2: provide and do for their own families and set their
Speaker 2: own kind of schedule and be their own professionalism.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's not even just young people too. As
Speaker 1: you said, you know, we have some people that have
Speaker 1: second and third career choices. Someone transitioned to one of
Speaker 1: our oldest students that were in their forties and she
Speaker 1: was someone that she was in the office and she
Speaker 1: just wanted to get out the office. Right, Yeah, you
Speaker 1: had a skill set. She was go over her hands,
Speaker 1: she did hair on the side, and she was like, Hey,
Speaker 1: I just want to get my license in this opportunity
Speaker 1: because I just tied of being behind a cubicle. So
Speaker 1: we have transitions as people looking for a second and
Speaker 1: third careers. And then we also I always tell young
Speaker 1: people you could go anywhere and be a barber nowhere
Speaker 1: you go in the world. It's one of the oldest
Speaker 1: licensed professions. So it's one of those things that continues
Speaker 1: to give back to the community. Haircuts for students or
Speaker 1: file dollars and for adults with twelve dollars. So it
Speaker 1: helps the family too that needs to help to have
Speaker 1: a budget. We will be right back, all.
Speaker 2: Right, tell me about the legends show that the NFL
Speaker 2: legends that you do.
Speaker 1: So legends is my thing that I do on my
Speaker 1: social platforms. It's just to teach the younger generation or
Speaker 1: football hits about guys that may have forgotten about. Right.
Speaker 1: So this last this last two weeks ago, I just
Speaker 1: didn't want to see me there. I've done other ones,
Speaker 1: you know, on guys it's just the forgotten, the forgotten
Speaker 1: legends that if you heard their name the name recognition,
Speaker 1: you're like, oh yeah, I remember Sterlish shark, right, so
Speaker 1: you throwed out these names. But the younger generation and
Speaker 1: people that don't always hear the name again, they forget
Speaker 1: how great a career that person had. And I think
Speaker 1: so much in our industry, we're like, it's he a
Speaker 1: Hall of Famer, and then if he's not a Hall
Speaker 1: of Famer, it's like they just scard us. It's just like,
Speaker 1: well the guy had a damn good run, like it
Speaker 1: was really good. So it's me just re educating the
Speaker 1: football world about some of the guys in their careers
Speaker 1: and also giving their flowers if they're still here on earth.
Speaker 3: I love that they forget about you. Oh I mean,
Speaker 3: be a good one. Two episodes.
Speaker 1: I'm looking at it.
Speaker 2: I appreciate that my son needed because my son is
Speaker 2: like Dad, like you're slow, bro, Like my son.
Speaker 3: He's one of them.
Speaker 2: He's like the young generation generation that's like, no, so disrespectful,
Speaker 2: so disrespect They only watched film themselves, that's it.
Speaker 3: And somebody else playing Madden or one of the other games.
Speaker 1: And that's crazy.
Speaker 2: They watch each other, which is mind blowing to me
Speaker 2: watch other people play the game because we were waiting
Speaker 2: to play, right, They watch it just because they like watching.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and be on FaceTime without looking at the TV
Speaker 1: or the phone.
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, yes, it's like, why ain't you talking? I'm
Speaker 3: just playing a game, like.
Speaker 2: But you Yeah, all right, I ain't got that one yet. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it is coming, trust me. You got a clothing the
Speaker 2: brand called OBS. Talk to me about that.
Speaker 1: The clothing line is like a marketing and an extension
Speaker 1: of the barber school. But it came about from just
Speaker 1: want to be motivational. I believe a lot of things
Speaker 1: are there's a lot of negativity in the world. So
Speaker 1: if you can have subtle motivational things and put you
Speaker 1: in a positive light, I believe in trying to adding
Speaker 1: add to that portion. So OBS stands for overcoming both
Speaker 1: mm so in that you know, we all go through
Speaker 1: something either gender, you know, socioeconomics, whatever. We all have
Speaker 1: something to go through and get over, and a lot
Speaker 1: of times people want to have to always me story,
Speaker 1: but that's no story is just going to be a
Speaker 1: straight line. You have to overcome something and be appreciative
Speaker 1: of the way you're trying to go. So for us,
Speaker 1: you know, overcoming the bullsh life is just a monster.
Speaker 1: Reminding yourself, keep going.
Speaker 3: Love that they got sweatshirts.
Speaker 2: Where can we get the brand at obs brand dot com.
Speaker 2: Obs brand dot com. Peanut's way better about supporting than
Speaker 2: I do, because like I say something, then I forget it.
Speaker 2: Peanut like he'll go buy right now.
Speaker 1: I want to reach out to you.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's perfect with that stuff, like supporting the locals.
Speaker 2: We got to help each other out. I wouldn't be
Speaker 2: where I am because people help me out. So I'm
Speaker 2: just you know, plant that seed and I.
Speaker 1: Love your dog. Keep it going.
Speaker 2: Here's another question. Peanut usually does this more eloquently than
Speaker 2: I do. But we've all had you know, these people
Speaker 2: in our lives, influential people, things that matter to you
Speaker 2: and who is on your personal mount rushmore of influence
Speaker 2: and Steven Jacks since life.
Speaker 1: A mentor of mind to my mom and Dad found him.
Speaker 1: Actually his name is Anthony Gowins. He's he's in the
Speaker 1: financial world. He works for five serf now, but Wall
Speaker 1: Street guy. When I was going to the NFL in
Speaker 1: two thousand and four, was introduced to him in a church.
Speaker 1: He was through the church relationship. But we've become really close,
Speaker 1: so close that I gave a commissment speech this year
Speaker 1: and he was actually the source and the inspiration of
Speaker 1: the speech. And the speech talks about we hip Malcolm
Speaker 1: Manjar with Chris Long and the water Boys group. And
Speaker 1: in that hike you invite a veteran and Anthony is
Speaker 1: a veteran. And in that hike, when we get to
Speaker 1: the top, you know, it's five days on the mountain, right,
Speaker 1: so there's some challenges, but in that hike you go
Speaker 1: through emotional, all kinds of stuff. And to have someone
Speaker 1: that accomplished all the things he's accomplished but not be
Speaker 1: an NFL you know of zeke and talent and he's
Speaker 1: twenty years of my age. For him to finish it
Speaker 1: out and see it through it lets me know that
Speaker 1: he's a guy that just gets We get each other.
Speaker 1: He just gets it. And it's you know, so in
Speaker 1: the speech. It talks about the three takeaways, and a
Speaker 1: lot of it I learned from him, through him and
Speaker 1: with him, is that after each day, have a joyful noise, right,
Speaker 1: be thankful for today the God giving us. I went
Speaker 1: on to go and discuss when you get to the
Speaker 1: heights to where you're going. Right, So in the commissment speech,
Speaker 1: we're talking about young people and this is your moment,
Speaker 1: this is your you know, you've you've come to the
Speaker 1: point and you can't stay there. So, like you know,
Speaker 1: Kim and Jarl, something that large to nineteen thousand feet
Speaker 1: in the air and you get that high, you realize,
Speaker 1: as hard as I work to get here, I can't
Speaker 1: stay here because there's nothing on up here that's going
Speaker 1: to sustain life in the air up here is too thin, Right,
Speaker 1: you can't stay there. You got to be motivated to
Speaker 1: keep going. And although you reach certain heights, you may
Speaker 1: leave people behind to continue on your journey. You got
Speaker 1: to come down from where you are to go to
Speaker 1: where you want to head next.
Speaker 3: Damn, that's life though, it is life.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's awesome.
Speaker 3: Okay, So my mount rushmore of people.
Speaker 1: My mentor is definitly there alone with my father and
Speaker 1: there's there are some other people in the world. You
Speaker 1: got two more. I mean, I gotta go easy mom.
Speaker 1: Mom's there, he's more spiritual bone, She's the one that
Speaker 1: helped me get to some of the lean years of
Speaker 1: Saint Louis. I'm not winning? Why am I doing this?
Speaker 1: How do I stay motivated? How do I show up
Speaker 1: when I know somebody else is not showing up? Right?
Speaker 1: We've seen some of those eyes in the huddle, you know,
Speaker 1: when somebody quit on you, absolutely and those could be
Speaker 1: moments that break you. So my mom is one of
Speaker 1: those people that's still that faith in me when it
Speaker 1: seems like there's nothing else to believe in. And then lastly,
Speaker 1: I don't even want to blow smoke up somebody. I
Speaker 1: think that option is left there for family. I think anytime,
Speaker 1: you know, anytime I think about why I'm doing something
Speaker 1: where I'm going, it's always that I could just try
Speaker 1: to later role, to pave the role for the kids
Speaker 1: and for my wife to be a little easier. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, I always you know, I don't hope I'm
Speaker 1: not going anywhere anytime soon, but I definitely want to
Speaker 1: make sure that if it ever comes to that demise,
Speaker 1: everybody like Stephen had it, but he was buttoning up.
Speaker 1: He took care of things. Yeah, the truth.
Speaker 3: You off the hot seat, brother, I appreciate you coming over.
Speaker 1: That awesome. I couldn't remember some stuff.
Speaker 2: That's him all the time, that's me all the time.
Speaker 2: We getting older is not everybody, not everybody Plase, y'all,
Speaker 2: y'all know me.
Speaker 3: I had this since like as long as y'all known me.
Speaker 1: I've had this.
Speaker 2: You wear well, brother, You appreciate it, man, Stephen Man, dude,
Speaker 2: I appreciate you man coming in here.
Speaker 1: Sign off. I've been waiting to get on this show.
Speaker 1: I'm a big fan of it because you guys started.
Speaker 1: I love what you guys are doing. I love the message,
Speaker 1: I love the title, and I think you guys are
Speaker 1: the best to carry.
Speaker 3: Thanks man. We appreciate that.
Speaker 1: Man, I receive that and all.
Speaker 2: Honestly, I think Pina and I love this show so much,
Speaker 2: like I've seen so much growth and Peanut personally, because
Speaker 2: when we first retired, just like everybody else, we really
Speaker 2: had no idea what we were doing or what that
Speaker 2: second act was going to be like. And for us,
Speaker 2: I think we have learned and been able to give
Speaker 2: so much love to all of our viewers and all
Speaker 2: of our guests that we have on here, because genuinely,
Speaker 2: you guys are pouring into us by telling us these things,
Speaker 2: and then we get to just pour it right back out,
Speaker 2: not only to you, but to the next guest, but
Speaker 2: to the next person that we have on And it's
Speaker 2: been so fun for us. We've stopped blaming ourselves for
Speaker 2: a lot of mistakes that we've made. It's brought us
Speaker 2: closer as friends. It's allowed us to see a lot
Speaker 2: of different things from a lot of different angles, and
Speaker 2: truly there is no right or wrong in doing it,
Speaker 2: and it doesn't come with.
Speaker 3: A rule book either. They're all just figuring it out.
Speaker 2: And it's always great to hear great stories people that
Speaker 2: are pouring into their families and we genuinely root for
Speaker 2: each other. Man, there's no locker room like a football.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree. I'm glad to hear that, because you know,
Speaker 1: for many times, for many years, we've been greater by
Speaker 1: a grade sheet did you do it? Did you not
Speaker 1: do it? And we're so hard on ourselves that I'm
Speaker 1: glad you guys have each other and we have the
Speaker 1: community that we can lean on. Each other and know
Speaker 1: that we're not perfect and that's okay.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, this is my experience is just like what Room said, Man,
Speaker 2: it's this is therapeutic for me.
Speaker 3: I enjoyed.
Speaker 2: I enjoy listening to the stories. I enjoy uh the
Speaker 2: players trusting us and opening up and telling their their story,
Speaker 2: you know, and it's uh, yeah, this is it's been fun.
Speaker 2: I don't know how long this is going on, but
Speaker 2: it's a blast and I'm ready just to tell the
Speaker 2: stories for you know, all of our other peers that
Speaker 2: we have on the show today, tomorrow and in the future.
Speaker 1: As long as they allow y'all to do it, keep
Speaker 1: doing it because we're listening.
Speaker 3: Thanks dog man, I appreciate you that for real. Thank you.
Speaker 2: As long as Thomas in the corner keep doing this thing.
Speaker 3: As long as you keep doing this thing, going to
Speaker 3: be right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know what else doing that thing? Who man
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