WEBVTT - Steven Jackson talks being the Rams all-time leading rusher, why he wore #39, starting a barber school and apparel company 0:00:00.200 --> 0:00:03.239 What's up? Everybody? Is Stephen Jackson, the Los Angeles RAMS 0:00:03.320 --> 0:00:07.280 all time leading rushier, co founder of the original Barber's School, 0:00:07.480 --> 0:00:09.559 as well as you can find our clothing line, the 0:00:09.600 --> 0:00:13.760 original brand dot com. And this is the NFL player 0:00:13.880 --> 0:00:15.440 Second Acts Podcast. 0:00:21.960 --> 0:00:25.040 I'll peed up, gentlemen, and this is the NFL Player's 0:00:25.079 --> 0:00:27.920 Second Acts podcast with me as always is my guy 0:00:28.000 --> 0:00:30.640 room and then Waves, boy hidden look at him. 0:00:30.640 --> 0:00:30.960 Waves. 0:00:31.400 --> 0:00:35.160 It's like a skunk. It's a lot, you know, getting 0:00:35.159 --> 0:00:37.360 the gray hair to do right. It is just it 0:00:37.440 --> 0:00:38.879 just takes a little bit more work, a couple more 0:00:38.880 --> 0:00:41.120 brushes every night, a couple more brushes in the morning, 0:00:41.520 --> 0:00:42.600 and I show up like this. 0:00:44.000 --> 0:00:45.520 All right, I'm ready. 0:00:46.280 --> 0:00:49.479 You can introduce that her next guess I'm. 0:00:49.560 --> 0:00:57.040 Okay, this next, gentleman. Classic part of my class, all 0:00:57.040 --> 0:01:01.560 pro running back for twelve seasons, RAMS all time leading rusher, 0:01:02.360 --> 0:01:06.160 top twenty on the all time NFL rushing List, co 0:01:06.240 --> 0:01:08.720 founder of the original barber School. 0:01:08.840 --> 0:01:11.160 Ladies and gentlemen, Stephen Jackson get hot. 0:01:13.480 --> 0:01:15.920 I would also like to say, this is the same 0:01:16.000 --> 0:01:19.000 guy that when anybody asked me, who's the toughest running 0:01:19.000 --> 0:01:22.320 back you had to tackle when you played? You are 0:01:22.360 --> 0:01:25.399 the guy that I named, not Adrian Peterson. I talk 0:01:25.480 --> 0:01:28.120 about Michael Michael Turner the Bardner a little bit too, 0:01:28.120 --> 0:01:28.960 because he was sure. 0:01:31.240 --> 0:01:35.160 Tough to hit. But you are the man. Yes, yeah, 0:01:35.240 --> 0:01:38.680 I appreciate that man, no doubt. Like it wasn't even close. 0:01:38.800 --> 0:01:40.840 Quite often I hear that question. A lot of casts 0:01:40.880 --> 0:01:42.479 named a lot of running back. I said, damn, was. 0:01:42.400 --> 0:01:43.679 That that easy? No? 0:01:43.680 --> 0:01:47.680 No, no, you were the most definitely not most definitely not. 0:01:48.040 --> 0:01:50.720 Stephen Jackson was the first running back that I legit 0:01:51.440 --> 0:01:54.360 had to like, no, you need to tackle plan going 0:01:54.360 --> 0:01:55.040 into the game. 0:01:55.160 --> 0:01:58.200 Yeah, like a plan to how to tackle one person. 0:01:58.720 --> 0:02:01.600 And it was also a rule to like if if 0:02:01.640 --> 0:02:04.280 he gets past the linebackers, it ain't nobody touched him yet, 0:02:04.320 --> 0:02:05.600 It's not my fault if I missed. 0:02:06.000 --> 0:02:08.839 That's just another rule. He was running through them arm tackles. Yeah, 0:02:08.840 --> 0:02:10.440 it was kind of the day. It's unfortunate. You know, 0:02:10.760 --> 0:02:12.079 you still look like you could play. Though. 0:02:12.120 --> 0:02:14.240 I know there's a lot it's a podcast, so people 0:02:14.280 --> 0:02:15.120 are listening right now. 0:02:15.160 --> 0:02:18.400 But yo, we got video too. We got video. 0:02:18.440 --> 0:02:20.280 But for the ones that can't get the video because 0:02:20.280 --> 0:02:23.240 they're driving, like Steve Jackson is, like he still swollen 0:02:23.680 --> 0:02:24.200 like you can't. 0:02:24.200 --> 0:02:25.200 You can't run up on him. 0:02:25.280 --> 0:02:27.880 I try to keep it together, how much you're. 0:02:27.800 --> 0:02:29.720 Wearing it, Like you you played around, what two forty, 0:02:29.760 --> 0:02:30.360 two thirty. 0:02:30.480 --> 0:02:33.000 Between two thirty five and two forty, I'm two forty 0:02:33.080 --> 0:02:35.320 right now. It just it's not as package as tight 0:02:35.320 --> 0:02:35.760 as it uses. 0:02:36.160 --> 0:02:42.320 Fine, it's fine as the base pack is basic. No tak, 0:02:42.440 --> 0:02:44.120 no jumpo. Yeah. 0:02:44.320 --> 0:02:46.160 I mean that's like when you bow the extras when 0:02:46.160 --> 0:02:49.280 you get a car. Yeah, I just want the base package, you. 0:02:49.200 --> 0:02:49.679 Know what I said. 0:02:50.080 --> 0:02:53.200 Still getting to forty, you just less muscle it down, 0:02:53.320 --> 0:02:53.880 you know what I mean? 0:02:54.160 --> 0:02:57.120 Less mustle it to forty still base back. 0:02:57.200 --> 0:02:58.720 I kind of feel like that's where we all say 0:02:58.720 --> 0:03:00.280 because I'm still kind of mind playing with And I'm 0:03:00.320 --> 0:03:04.280 like two ten two eight ish, I say, I like 0:03:04.320 --> 0:03:05.880 two of four or two or five is two of 0:03:05.960 --> 0:03:07.800 three depending on what that And I kind of feel 0:03:07.800 --> 0:03:11.520 like each year i'm away for football, like I just 0:03:11.560 --> 0:03:13.960 try to maintain that playing with. That means I'm healthy 0:03:14.000 --> 0:03:16.240 if I can. If I I ain't played in almost 0:03:16.240 --> 0:03:18.240 ten years, but if I can still maintain my playing 0:03:18.280 --> 0:03:20.720 with that's kind of how I maintained my health exactly. 0:03:20.320 --> 0:03:21.720 How I look at it, same thing. 0:03:21.880 --> 0:03:23.760 You know, it's the same way you look at it. 0:03:23.760 --> 0:03:24.360 It is okay. 0:03:24.520 --> 0:03:26.440 I got to give you one more compliment too, because 0:03:26.560 --> 0:03:28.880 my oldest brother, his name is Brian Harper. We call 0:03:28.960 --> 0:03:30.960 him b Harp. He talks a lot of trash all 0:03:31.000 --> 0:03:33.960 the time. You are the one person that he referenced 0:03:33.960 --> 0:03:37.280 to that. Like you know, Rome, I used to always think, like, man, 0:03:37.320 --> 0:03:38.960 I could get out there. I hear all these people 0:03:39.000 --> 0:03:40.720 say like, oh I could do this, I could do that, 0:03:41.240 --> 0:03:43.200 And then I guess you guys came to the Dome 0:03:43.280 --> 0:03:45.840 one time and he saw you jump about two or 0:03:45.840 --> 0:03:48.160 three cuts, two or three holes and then got outside 0:03:48.560 --> 0:03:50.280 and ran over somebody and then got out of bounce and. 0:03:50.240 --> 0:03:53.120 He was like, nah, you can't do that. Many did these. 0:03:53.000 --> 0:03:55.080 Running backs of the league. They next level. So it's 0:03:55.200 --> 0:03:57.720 always been about your speed or your power. Which one 0:03:57.760 --> 0:03:59.520 would you say is your best attribute? 0:04:00.400 --> 0:04:03.920 Oh wow, I would think. I always try to time 0:04:04.040 --> 0:04:07.600 up my impact. So I was like a baseball player aspect, right, 0:04:07.680 --> 0:04:09.360 So when I knew it was about to be impact, 0:04:09.680 --> 0:04:11.880 I try to explode through the shoulder paths or whoever 0:04:11.920 --> 0:04:12.560 was about to tackle. 0:04:12.680 --> 0:04:13.320 You want to deliver. 0:04:13.400 --> 0:04:16.479 I wanted to deliver, right, I knew I wasn't quite 0:04:16.480 --> 0:04:19.760 four two four three. I was four four respectable, but 0:04:19.800 --> 0:04:22.720 then at the same time very respectable. You got to 0:04:22.800 --> 0:04:25.080 understand who were talking to, Like this person ain't never 0:04:25.160 --> 0:04:26.480 ran a full fall, that's true. 0:04:27.040 --> 0:04:28.400 Person hasn't ran a four eight. 0:04:28.800 --> 0:04:30.520 That's It's like, you know, the thing is because we 0:04:30.560 --> 0:04:32.440 have we all have kids to think about. When you 0:04:32.480 --> 0:04:35.560 say stuff like that, the kids to them it's like, well, dad, 0:04:35.560 --> 0:04:38.520 you was only for four I'm like, so, you're right. 0:04:38.520 --> 0:04:40.320 I'm talking to teenagers a lot right now. 0:04:40.360 --> 0:04:43.440 I get it to get it, so yeah, impact, I 0:04:43.440 --> 0:04:45.200 would say, you know, it was always a blend. I 0:04:45.200 --> 0:04:48.799 always wanted to, you know, leave the game. Having everybody 0:04:48.880 --> 0:04:50.080 like that was a tough one. 0:04:50.560 --> 0:04:53.480 I didn't want that smoke. I'm just gonna say it, like, nah, I've. 0:04:53.760 --> 0:04:57.039 Dude, everybody made business decisions tackling this guy. I great 0:04:57.120 --> 0:04:58.880 about you all the time. I'm a big family you 0:04:58.920 --> 0:05:02.120 ors you know that. Well, I would say this. I 0:05:02.160 --> 0:05:05.520 was talking to some of our people here today, Jake 0:05:05.560 --> 0:05:11.160 and everybody, how you are my generations? Derrick Henry Where 0:05:11.200 --> 0:05:14.760 now we look at Derrick Henry and he's big, he's fast, 0:05:14.800 --> 0:05:17.480 he has a stiff arm and he's roll tied and 0:05:17.560 --> 0:05:20.320 so went to a great university. I mean, he's amazing, 0:05:20.520 --> 0:05:23.000 he won a Heisman, he's done all these great things. 0:05:23.279 --> 0:05:27.479 But in our generation, we had Steven Jackson. And so 0:05:28.480 --> 0:05:31.480 how do you feel about that comparison? And do you 0:05:31.520 --> 0:05:34.000 think you get enough of your flowers from those that 0:05:34.080 --> 0:05:36.719 maybe because you played with Saint Lucient, you probably didn't 0:05:36.720 --> 0:05:38.560 win as much as you guys wanted to at times. 0:05:39.040 --> 0:05:41.960 No, I appreciate the compliment. I could see the similarities 0:05:42.000 --> 0:05:45.400 in our game. You know, once being a running back, 0:05:45.440 --> 0:05:48.400 it's a small fraternity. But what's even smaller within that 0:05:48.480 --> 0:05:51.880 fraternity is the big backs. Yes, right, So, like you said, 0:05:51.960 --> 0:05:53.560 like I felt like the torch was handed to me 0:05:53.600 --> 0:05:57.159 from Eddie George. And when I met Eddie it was 0:05:57.360 --> 0:05:59.560 one it was a huge honor. But we talked about, 0:06:00.000 --> 0:06:01.920 you know, it's some smaller guys, they're gonna feel like 0:06:01.960 --> 0:06:03.760 you can't do certain things. You just go out there 0:06:03.760 --> 0:06:06.360 and do your thing. So when I seen Derek come 0:06:06.400 --> 0:06:08.280 on the scene, it kind of it was like, Yo, 0:06:08.480 --> 0:06:10.360 the big back is still alive. Right, It's not a 0:06:10.400 --> 0:06:12.880 whole bunch of scat backs and running backs by the committee. 0:06:13.160 --> 0:06:15.200 It is a guy out there that just do everything 0:06:15.720 --> 0:06:19.640 and be that that soul. But for Derek, what he's 0:06:19.680 --> 0:06:22.960 doing in the career he's had, it's amazing because at first, 0:06:23.000 --> 0:06:25.520 you know, at Tennessee, when he didn't win the Super 0:06:25.560 --> 0:06:27.320 Bowl there, I was like, man, are they going to 0:06:27.400 --> 0:06:28.880 use up his years? Kind of like what happened to 0:06:28.880 --> 0:06:31.280 me in Saint Louis. But to see what has happened 0:06:31.320 --> 0:06:34.080 and this year he had in Baltimore, it was like kudos. 0:06:34.120 --> 0:06:36.480 And then you pair that up with taekuon doing like 0:06:36.800 --> 0:06:38.680 the big back in the running back is back. So 0:06:39.000 --> 0:06:40.040 I'm excited about. 0:06:39.800 --> 0:06:41.520 That now when you say big back, because you know 0:06:41.920 --> 0:06:44.560 I'm not. It's not always about weight, No. I think 0:06:44.560 --> 0:06:46.960 when you refer to the big back, it's the hype, right, 0:06:47.040 --> 0:06:49.119 It's the way you know you're talking about scat backs. 0:06:49.120 --> 0:06:51.680 We scatbacks are there's still two hundred pounds, but they're 0:06:51.680 --> 0:06:54.839 like five eight five ten. Yeah, you are six two, 0:06:54.920 --> 0:06:58.640 six six two, you're six two. Derek Henry's six three. 0:06:58.960 --> 0:07:00.680 He's at least six four. I think he got two 0:07:00.720 --> 0:07:02.679 inches on me, six four. I think. 0:07:05.480 --> 0:07:09.880 Vegas they never still to him he was I was legit. 0:07:10.000 --> 0:07:12.440 I was like, he probably six two No, he's definitely 0:07:12.440 --> 0:07:15.360 not six too. He's definitely that. He's definitely telling me, 0:07:15.800 --> 0:07:16.720 damn crazy. 0:07:16.760 --> 0:07:19.280 But that's what you mean by big back, right, And 0:07:19.600 --> 0:07:22.760 I forgot that Eddie George was. Eddie George is extremely 0:07:22.760 --> 0:07:26.040 tall back as well, probably Eric Dickerous to the guys 0:07:26.080 --> 0:07:29.040 before that, I would assume all the big backs. So 0:07:29.840 --> 0:07:32.120 how do you feel about the resurgence of the running back? 0:07:32.200 --> 0:07:34.400 How big of a year has it been? Because everybody 0:07:34.480 --> 0:07:36.720 tried to downplay the run of the position, and all 0:07:36.720 --> 0:07:38.960 of a sudden, now the teams that are here are 0:07:39.720 --> 0:07:40.760 they got running backs? 0:07:40.800 --> 0:07:43.840 For sure. I think it's important for the position. I 0:07:43.840 --> 0:07:45.160 think for a lot of times, as we know, the 0:07:45.240 --> 0:07:47.720 NFL is a copycat league. So when teams are having 0:07:47.760 --> 0:07:50.520 successful multiple running backs, and then you could you could 0:07:50.560 --> 0:07:53.520 couple that excuse with having insurance because guys don't last 0:07:53.520 --> 0:07:55.720 the whole season. It makes for a great argument when 0:07:55.720 --> 0:07:58.760 somebody's building a team for scratch. But I think you know, 0:07:58.760 --> 0:08:01.440 when you start talking about and later in the season, 0:08:01.480 --> 0:08:03.840 you need a big guy that's a possession guy that 0:08:04.000 --> 0:08:06.560 the moment won't get too big for him. He get 0:08:06.600 --> 0:08:08.240 you know, gets you a first down, but he also 0:08:08.280 --> 0:08:10.840 hits your home run for you. And also with the 0:08:10.880 --> 0:08:13.320 way defense are playing, you guys are on your side 0:08:13.320 --> 0:08:15.280 of the football field. You guys are going more exotic. 0:08:15.320 --> 0:08:18.000 You guys are going smaller linebackers. I could run with 0:08:18.040 --> 0:08:20.600 the tight end and cover out the backfield. So if 0:08:20.600 --> 0:08:22.960 you start thinking about, like where's my advantage? Where do 0:08:23.040 --> 0:08:25.760 I take? You know, where's on offense? Can we take 0:08:25.880 --> 0:08:28.760 advantage of that matchup? You're talking about five six man 0:08:28.840 --> 0:08:32.200 box with smaller guys. You put there, you put myself in, 0:08:32.240 --> 0:08:35.840 and then you know you at least expecting five yards. Yeah. 0:08:35.920 --> 0:08:41.839 Yeah, what was your favorite run play? 0:08:41.960 --> 0:08:44.760 So at Oregon State we were a single back offense. Yeah, 0:08:44.840 --> 0:08:46.880 and I learned to run inside the zone and it 0:08:46.920 --> 0:08:48.640 gave me the freedom that if I found the hole, 0:08:48.679 --> 0:08:51.320 I could get there. So it's it's my bread and butter, 0:08:51.320 --> 0:08:52.800 it's my stable. I say, I made a lot of 0:08:52.800 --> 0:08:54.920 money off that play because all you got to do 0:08:55.000 --> 0:08:57.840 is get someone overflowing and you can take that backside cut, 0:08:57.960 --> 0:09:00.600 you know, and you can crease them. So I would go, 0:09:00.640 --> 0:09:02.720 I would say inside zone and then after that, I 0:09:02.720 --> 0:09:06.240 gotta go gap scheme. I like power, Yeah, hat on 0:09:06.280 --> 0:09:07.079 the hat, let's go. 0:09:08.080 --> 0:09:10.319 I like that I hate that cutback, bro, because that's 0:09:10.400 --> 0:09:14.200 usually the safeties gays exactly. 0:09:15.400 --> 0:09:19.080 Decision, decision. I'll tell you I never had to worry 0:09:19.120 --> 0:09:21.880 about it. No, bro, if it. 0:09:21.920 --> 0:09:23.560 Got all the way out there, you could just push 0:09:23.600 --> 0:09:25.280 him out of bounds, you know. And you're a big 0:09:25.320 --> 0:09:28.800 corner two peanuts, So like you know, it's different. How 0:09:28.840 --> 0:09:30.720 would you describe your running style? 0:09:31.480 --> 0:09:34.040 I would like to say I'm a classic. I'm a 0:09:34.160 --> 0:09:37.319 nineties and nineties back. I think I'm a guy that 0:09:37.400 --> 0:09:39.840 could I could protect it in the backfield. I mean, 0:09:39.840 --> 0:09:42.840 your last line of defense, small enough to run the hots. 0:09:42.920 --> 0:09:44.680 If I need to run a route out the backfield, 0:09:44.720 --> 0:09:47.800 I got soft hands. But then you know from the 0:09:48.000 --> 0:09:50.240 from the center on out to the tight end, I could, 0:09:50.360 --> 0:09:51.959 I could hit it, I could crease it, and I 0:09:52.000 --> 0:09:54.400 had enough speed to pull away. So I believe I'm 0:09:54.440 --> 0:09:56.920 a back that I give coaches problems because he has 0:09:56.960 --> 0:09:58.800 to figure out when can he take me off the field. 0:09:59.320 --> 0:10:02.320 And as my my oldest son, our oldest son is eighteen, 0:10:02.400 --> 0:10:04.280 he's a running back. He'll be going to Oregon State 0:10:04.400 --> 0:10:08.959 next year. That's my relations sure, dude, So that's that's 0:10:08.960 --> 0:10:13.200 what Skyler Jackson Colear Jackson don't put pressure on him 0:10:13.200 --> 0:10:14.880 to make sure that he's all around. I don't want 0:10:14.920 --> 0:10:16.640 him to just say I'm a scatter on this on 0:10:16.800 --> 0:10:19.520 that you're neither you are what the coach needs you 0:10:19.600 --> 0:10:19.840 to be. 0:10:20.800 --> 0:10:23.000 Yeah, but I think that's a huge compliment to you 0:10:23.080 --> 0:10:25.280 because that was one of your big things. I know, 0:10:25.520 --> 0:10:28.840 I compared you to Derrick Henry. Well, our generations Derrick 0:10:28.880 --> 0:10:32.560 Henry were, You're this generation. You know, he's you're their generation, 0:10:32.640 --> 0:10:35.360 Stephen Jackson in my opinion, but you caught the ball 0:10:35.440 --> 0:10:37.600 the backfield. You're like a true truth threat. You were 0:10:37.840 --> 0:10:40.320 the number one option pretty much mary An he catches 0:10:40.360 --> 0:10:42.880 one season, you were the number one option, Yes, sir, 0:10:43.160 --> 0:10:45.959 that's a very slept on season, too, very very slept 0:10:46.040 --> 0:10:47.800 on season. I saw that on my Instagram real the 0:10:47.840 --> 0:10:50.360 other day, like that is a great slept on season 0:10:50.360 --> 0:10:51.720 for Stephen Jackson running backs. 0:10:52.000 --> 0:10:56.319 And so with that, was it the hands? The catching? 0:10:56.600 --> 0:10:58.760 Is that just something you always had or is that 0:10:58.840 --> 0:11:00.720 something you had to literally work on? Because for me, 0:11:00.760 --> 0:11:04.000 I had to work on catching the ball because I 0:11:04.080 --> 0:11:07.720 wasn't used to the The NFL ball doesn't have a 0:11:07.720 --> 0:11:10.120 white strike right, So for me, I really struggled picking 0:11:10.120 --> 0:11:11.000 it up with my eyes. 0:11:11.360 --> 0:11:13.240 No, for me, I was a natural catcher. But what 0:11:13.280 --> 0:11:15.360 made me want to get really good at it my 0:11:15.440 --> 0:11:18.920 rookie year back to Marshall fault, right, and you can't 0:11:18.960 --> 0:11:21.240 tell coach Mike Martz something that I can't do it. 0:11:21.280 --> 0:11:23.760 He like, well, Marshall could do it. You know. It 0:11:23.840 --> 0:11:25.600 kind of put that pressure on me to become all 0:11:25.640 --> 0:11:29.319 around really good. I just understanding route running and then leverage. 0:11:29.400 --> 0:11:32.439 Right when you get on on on the defender, what 0:11:32.600 --> 0:11:34.440 he leaning are you giving him something at the top 0:11:34.480 --> 0:11:36.719 of your route. All those things came later, you know, 0:11:36.840 --> 0:11:38.760 once to do my career. As far as being a 0:11:38.840 --> 0:11:41.520 natural catch, I was able to do that, you know. 0:11:41.559 --> 0:11:43.800 And then again it goes back to college career. We 0:11:43.880 --> 0:11:46.599 ran a pro style offense. I had Dennis Erickson, but 0:11:46.800 --> 0:11:48.760 he ran that. You know. We would go three four 0:11:48.880 --> 0:11:51.520 ride and we're gonna we're gonna just let you pick 0:11:51.520 --> 0:11:52.559 your poison. Yeah. 0:11:52.600 --> 0:11:54.480 So I know in our era we had some big 0:11:54.640 --> 0:11:56.559 we have some big running backs, but yet we also 0:11:56.640 --> 0:12:00.480 had the we had the big linebackers. Yes, and you're 0:12:00.480 --> 0:12:02.360 an all around back. You can run, you can block 0:12:02.440 --> 0:12:06.800 and catch. Give me a name of a player that 0:12:07.000 --> 0:12:09.160 gave you the business in the backfield when he was 0:12:09.200 --> 0:12:09.880 trying to protect. 0:12:10.280 --> 0:12:19.040 They happened in practice. Pem okay, mine's happened in practice practice? Yeah, 0:12:19.960 --> 0:12:24.840 Chris Clayborn, Yeah yeah, sc big linebacker two fifty two sixty. 0:12:25.280 --> 0:12:28.439 We're doing one on one protection and you know, in practice, 0:12:28.520 --> 0:12:31.680 especially trading camp, you know, you gotta you gotta bug 0:12:31.760 --> 0:12:35.040 your Chinstrapstely, I will never forget. We was like it 0:12:35.080 --> 0:12:36.559 was like the last ten plays in the School of 0:12:36.640 --> 0:12:37.600 damn teen script. 0:12:39.040 --> 0:12:40.760 You have made it, we'd have made it. We about 0:12:40.800 --> 0:12:42.200 to go to we about to go in the locker room. 0:12:42.200 --> 0:12:44.480 Here we go and Chris came in on the bliss 0:12:44.559 --> 0:12:48.880 man and I I didn't take him serious, and he 0:12:49.000 --> 0:12:51.360 got you got this. You gut his helmet underneath me 0:12:52.040 --> 0:12:53.760 and he split my chin. I had to get I 0:12:53.840 --> 0:12:56.880 had to get stitches out the practice so my you know, 0:12:57.280 --> 0:12:59.960 I have fun memories of that, but there's no nummy 0:13:00.080 --> 0:13:03.240 for the chin really, so you just they just sewing 0:13:03.280 --> 0:13:06.400 you up. And I was so mad at critical you 0:13:06.400 --> 0:13:10.280 would do that. We got to be out of practice. 0:13:11.360 --> 0:13:14.040 What we do? What are we doing here? Yeah? What 0:13:14.200 --> 0:13:18.240 year was he? Y'all? Events we were I was probably 0:13:18.320 --> 0:13:20.439 year two or three. I was skill a puppy. I 0:13:20.480 --> 0:13:22.560 was still a puppy, but he was coming over to 0:13:22.600 --> 0:13:24.200 the team and his first year with us, so I 0:13:24.240 --> 0:13:27.320 get it right. It was point. 0:13:27.480 --> 0:13:31.000 Yeah, you having to be the point, to be the point. Ye, 0:13:32.200 --> 0:13:36.040 what is your welcome to the NFL moment? 0:13:37.200 --> 0:13:38.880 Lawyer malloy in Buffalo. 0:13:39.720 --> 0:13:41.360 Ye, this is another thing, pop right out. 0:13:41.480 --> 0:13:45.440 Yeah yeah, lawyer malloy in Buffalo. At that time, I 0:13:45.520 --> 0:13:47.800 wasn't playing a lot, so they were just spot giving 0:13:47.800 --> 0:13:50.040 me plays. We're on the we're on a goal line, 0:13:50.480 --> 0:13:52.440 and coach calls a run play for me to run in. 0:13:52.559 --> 0:13:54.760 I came in high. I'm just used to run over 0:13:54.800 --> 0:13:58.600 everybody in college. Lawyer came in and clean my clog man. 0:13:58.640 --> 0:14:05.560 I thought I swallowed my tongue. My running back coach 0:14:05.559 --> 0:14:10.040 at the time, he was like, Yo, don't you ever 0:14:10.120 --> 0:14:13.760 do that again? And the next damn film we just 0:14:13.840 --> 0:14:16.040 kept rewinding it and I was just like, Okay, I 0:14:16.080 --> 0:14:18.600 get the hazing, I get it. I would never do 0:14:18.640 --> 0:14:20.120 that again. Was it was? 0:14:20.160 --> 0:14:22.480 It just a constant slower wind back and they just 0:14:22.560 --> 0:14:26.360 keep talking, just running back, just keep running back. 0:14:29.120 --> 0:14:30.840 Those are like the most embarrassing moments. 0:14:30.880 --> 0:14:33.760 So I remember being in games and I would get 0:14:33.840 --> 0:14:35.520 hit by a line and a run, you miss tackle, 0:14:35.600 --> 0:14:38.360 someone runs you over. And the first thing that I 0:14:38.360 --> 0:14:41.600 would say that was like, damn, we gotta Washington team. 0:14:41.880 --> 0:14:44.320 We gotta Washington team. Film and you're sitting there, Washington 0:14:44.560 --> 0:14:47.160 and they're watching it and it's like you falling and 0:14:47.200 --> 0:14:49.800 going back and she's falling going back and she falling 0:14:49.840 --> 0:14:51.760 going back, and everyone's. 0:14:51.320 --> 0:14:54.280 Like damn, damn, hey, look look, and you're. 0:14:54.160 --> 0:14:55.760 Just like, oh my god, just go to the next 0:14:55.800 --> 0:14:57.320 play already, Why don't please? 0:14:58.120 --> 0:15:00.840 Special one is on that's running back. Yeah, you know, 0:15:00.880 --> 0:15:02.600 you guys got three or four people to watch because 0:15:02.600 --> 0:15:03.480 you guys in a group. 0:15:03.600 --> 0:15:07.080 Like it was on the one back. Then I see 0:15:07.120 --> 0:15:07.560 what I did. 0:15:08.600 --> 0:15:10.520 I see what I do? You know what? 0:15:10.560 --> 0:15:13.000 That is a great point. Actually, I never actually thought 0:15:13.040 --> 0:15:13.560 about that. 0:15:13.840 --> 0:15:15.800 When you're coaching the running backs and y'all are in 0:15:15.840 --> 0:15:17.800 the meeting room and it's just one running back and 0:15:17.880 --> 0:15:18.600 you mess up, like. 0:15:18.520 --> 0:15:20.200 Bro, we ain't got to do that six times, but 0:15:20.680 --> 0:15:24.720 we all saw it. You don't have to, Like we 0:15:24.800 --> 0:15:25.480 got two corners. 0:15:25.520 --> 0:15:26.960 We got to talk about what they do in the 0:15:26.960 --> 0:15:29.800 play so much embarrassing. So it's a lot like we 0:15:29.840 --> 0:15:32.040 could get through it. That's just like bro ain't but 0:15:32.120 --> 0:15:34.360 one of us like like we got it. 0:15:35.320 --> 0:15:37.080 Try to go to the bathroom, they're palls and wait 0:15:37.160 --> 0:15:37.600 on you. 0:15:38.160 --> 0:15:40.760 I I. 0:15:42.240 --> 0:15:47.800 It's the worst. So RAMS all time leaning rusher. Where 0:15:47.800 --> 0:15:50.760 does that rank in all the list of your accomplishments. 0:15:51.480 --> 0:15:53.920 It's a big, a huge, no, it's a big deal. 0:15:54.040 --> 0:15:55.840 So when I when I was able to take the 0:15:55.880 --> 0:15:58.680 starting job, it was a golden mine and become the 0:15:58.720 --> 0:16:01.360 RAMS all time leading rusher. And when it happened, it 0:16:01.400 --> 0:16:05.920 happened in Tampa, it was one that I was extremely 0:16:05.960 --> 0:16:07.680 proud of because I knew the two people I had 0:16:07.680 --> 0:16:11.440 to pass to get to be number one, and to 0:16:11.640 --> 0:16:16.160 have those names the second and third now behind minds, 0:16:16.200 --> 0:16:18.840 it means that I had at least a career that 0:16:18.880 --> 0:16:21.560 I could be like, I could hold my head up high. 0:16:21.640 --> 0:16:23.160 And it's one of those things that means a lot 0:16:23.200 --> 0:16:26.600 to me. Who knows, there's a hall of famous you know, 0:16:26.680 --> 0:16:28.720 to come knock it or not, but it's one of 0:16:28.800 --> 0:16:32.120 those things that I can say, Hey, in that organization, 0:16:32.320 --> 0:16:33.880 I rang up there with two of the greats that 0:16:33.960 --> 0:16:35.680 ever played the game. So it's something that I'm very 0:16:35.680 --> 0:16:36.040 proud of. 0:16:36.240 --> 0:16:38.840 Well, you're a head of two Hall of Famers, So 0:16:38.920 --> 0:16:41.040 that that matters, you know what I mean, that's a 0:16:41.040 --> 0:16:41.560 beautiful thing. 0:16:41.600 --> 0:16:44.760 That's about telling my family and they ain't listening. 0:16:47.080 --> 0:16:49.040 Keep that football in Tampa. 0:16:49.280 --> 0:16:49.800 You have it? 0:16:49.920 --> 0:16:52.480 Yes, who is the team that you struggle you felt 0:16:52.480 --> 0:16:55.040 like you struggled versus if there were any team? 0:16:55.320 --> 0:16:57.720 Was it a defense? Was it a scheme? 0:16:58.400 --> 0:17:01.160 Who's somebody that you actually like, feel like Steven Jackson stroke? 0:17:01.240 --> 0:17:03.920 Because when I watched you play, I don't think anybody 0:17:03.920 --> 0:17:05.920 ever like made Stephen Jackson struggle. 0:17:07.920 --> 0:17:10.879 I would tell you the toughest is three four to 0:17:10.960 --> 0:17:11.840 two gap guys. 0:17:12.600 --> 0:17:15.119 Yeah. San Francisco did a lot. 0:17:15.359 --> 0:17:17.080 Yeah, when they were on their run, they were one. 0:17:17.080 --> 0:17:19.639 They were on there justin Smith yeah yeah yeah. He 0:17:19.760 --> 0:17:22.640 showed you had one way and then discard. Yeah. So 0:17:22.840 --> 0:17:25.679 those were the defense that gave me frustration, made me 0:17:25.760 --> 0:17:29.119 really like question my eyes. I remember coming up to 0:17:29.160 --> 0:17:32.120 the sign like am I seeing it right? Like everywhere 0:17:32.760 --> 0:17:37.040 they are everywhere. So I would say those particular. 0:17:36.760 --> 0:17:40.879 Kind of schemes, okay, three three fours. 0:17:41.160 --> 0:17:43.600 Guy that could disengage, right, he got to be strong 0:17:43.680 --> 0:17:45.240 enough where he could just he. 0:17:45.280 --> 0:17:47.600 Could show you one hat in one hole and then 0:17:47.840 --> 0:17:48.400 you know full. 0:17:48.520 --> 0:17:50.439 Yeah, Justin Smith was a big problem for a lot 0:17:50.440 --> 0:17:52.280 of people. Yeah, I want another. 0:17:52.920 --> 0:17:55.520