1 00:00:00,200 --> 00:00:03,239 Speaker 1: What's up? Everybody? Is Stephen Jackson, the Los Angeles RAMS 2 00:00:03,320 --> 00:00:07,280 Speaker 1: all time leading rushier, co founder of the original Barber's School, 3 00:00:07,480 --> 00:00:09,559 Speaker 1: as well as you can find our clothing line, the 4 00:00:09,600 --> 00:00:13,760 Speaker 1: original brand dot com. And this is the NFL player 5 00:00:13,880 --> 00:00:15,440 Speaker 1: Second Acts Podcast. 6 00:00:21,960 --> 00:00:25,040 Speaker 2: I'll peed up, gentlemen, and this is the NFL Player's 7 00:00:25,079 --> 00:00:27,920 Speaker 2: Second Acts podcast with me as always is my guy 8 00:00:28,000 --> 00:00:30,640 Speaker 2: room and then Waves, boy hidden look at him. 9 00:00:30,640 --> 00:00:30,960 Speaker 1: Waves. 10 00:00:31,400 --> 00:00:35,160 Speaker 2: It's like a skunk. It's a lot, you know, getting 11 00:00:35,159 --> 00:00:37,360 Speaker 2: the gray hair to do right. It is just it 12 00:00:37,440 --> 00:00:38,879 Speaker 2: just takes a little bit more work, a couple more 13 00:00:38,880 --> 00:00:41,120 Speaker 2: brushes every night, a couple more brushes in the morning, 14 00:00:41,520 --> 00:00:42,600 Speaker 2: and I show up like this. 15 00:00:44,000 --> 00:00:45,520 Speaker 1: All right, I'm ready. 16 00:00:46,280 --> 00:00:49,479 Speaker 3: You can introduce that her next guess I'm. 17 00:00:49,560 --> 00:00:57,040 Speaker 2: Okay, this next, gentleman. Classic part of my class, all 18 00:00:57,040 --> 00:01:01,560 Speaker 2: pro running back for twelve seasons, RAMS all time leading rusher, 19 00:01:02,360 --> 00:01:06,160 Speaker 2: top twenty on the all time NFL rushing List, co 20 00:01:06,240 --> 00:01:08,720 Speaker 2: founder of the original barber School. 21 00:01:08,840 --> 00:01:11,160 Speaker 3: Ladies and gentlemen, Stephen Jackson get hot. 22 00:01:13,480 --> 00:01:15,920 Speaker 2: I would also like to say, this is the same 23 00:01:16,000 --> 00:01:19,000 Speaker 2: guy that when anybody asked me, who's the toughest running 24 00:01:19,000 --> 00:01:22,320 Speaker 2: back you had to tackle when you played? You are 25 00:01:22,360 --> 00:01:25,399 Speaker 2: the guy that I named, not Adrian Peterson. I talk 26 00:01:25,480 --> 00:01:28,120 Speaker 2: about Michael Michael Turner the Bardner a little bit too, 27 00:01:28,120 --> 00:01:28,960 Speaker 2: because he was sure. 28 00:01:31,240 --> 00:01:35,160 Speaker 3: Tough to hit. But you are the man. Yes, yeah, 29 00:01:35,240 --> 00:01:38,680 Speaker 3: I appreciate that man, no doubt. Like it wasn't even close. 30 00:01:38,800 --> 00:01:40,840 Speaker 1: Quite often I hear that question. A lot of casts 31 00:01:40,880 --> 00:01:42,479 Speaker 1: named a lot of running back. I said, damn, was. 32 00:01:42,400 --> 00:01:43,679 Speaker 3: That that easy? No? 33 00:01:43,680 --> 00:01:47,680 Speaker 2: No, no, you were the most definitely not most definitely not. 34 00:01:48,040 --> 00:01:50,720 Speaker 2: Stephen Jackson was the first running back that I legit 35 00:01:51,440 --> 00:01:54,360 Speaker 2: had to like, no, you need to tackle plan going 36 00:01:54,360 --> 00:01:55,040 Speaker 2: into the game. 37 00:01:55,160 --> 00:01:58,200 Speaker 3: Yeah, like a plan to how to tackle one person. 38 00:01:58,720 --> 00:02:01,600 Speaker 2: And it was also a rule to like if if 39 00:02:01,640 --> 00:02:04,280 Speaker 2: he gets past the linebackers, it ain't nobody touched him yet, 40 00:02:04,320 --> 00:02:05,600 Speaker 2: It's not my fault if I missed. 41 00:02:06,000 --> 00:02:08,839 Speaker 3: That's just another rule. He was running through them arm tackles. Yeah, 42 00:02:08,840 --> 00:02:10,440 Speaker 3: it was kind of the day. It's unfortunate. You know, 43 00:02:10,760 --> 00:02:12,079 Speaker 3: you still look like you could play. Though. 44 00:02:12,120 --> 00:02:14,240 Speaker 2: I know there's a lot it's a podcast, so people 45 00:02:14,280 --> 00:02:15,120 Speaker 2: are listening right now. 46 00:02:15,160 --> 00:02:18,400 Speaker 3: But yo, we got video too. We got video. 47 00:02:18,440 --> 00:02:20,280 Speaker 2: But for the ones that can't get the video because 48 00:02:20,280 --> 00:02:23,240 Speaker 2: they're driving, like Steve Jackson is, like he still swollen 49 00:02:23,680 --> 00:02:24,200 Speaker 2: like you can't. 50 00:02:24,200 --> 00:02:25,200 Speaker 3: You can't run up on him. 51 00:02:25,280 --> 00:02:27,880 Speaker 1: I try to keep it together, how much you're. 52 00:02:27,800 --> 00:02:29,720 Speaker 3: Wearing it, Like you you played around, what two forty, 53 00:02:29,760 --> 00:02:30,360 Speaker 3: two thirty. 54 00:02:30,480 --> 00:02:33,000 Speaker 1: Between two thirty five and two forty, I'm two forty 55 00:02:33,080 --> 00:02:35,320 Speaker 1: right now. It just it's not as package as tight 56 00:02:35,320 --> 00:02:35,760 Speaker 1: as it uses. 57 00:02:36,160 --> 00:02:42,320 Speaker 3: Fine, it's fine as the base pack is basic. No tak, 58 00:02:42,440 --> 00:02:44,120 Speaker 3: no jumpo. Yeah. 59 00:02:44,320 --> 00:02:46,160 Speaker 2: I mean that's like when you bow the extras when 60 00:02:46,160 --> 00:02:49,280 Speaker 2: you get a car. Yeah, I just want the base package, you. 61 00:02:49,200 --> 00:02:49,679 Speaker 3: Know what I said. 62 00:02:50,080 --> 00:02:53,200 Speaker 2: Still getting to forty, you just less muscle it down, 63 00:02:53,320 --> 00:02:53,880 Speaker 2: you know what I mean? 64 00:02:54,160 --> 00:02:57,120 Speaker 3: Less mustle it to forty still base back. 65 00:02:57,200 --> 00:02:58,720 Speaker 2: I kind of feel like that's where we all say 66 00:02:58,720 --> 00:03:00,280 Speaker 2: because I'm still kind of mind playing with And I'm 67 00:03:00,320 --> 00:03:04,280 Speaker 2: like two ten two eight ish, I say, I like 68 00:03:04,320 --> 00:03:05,880 Speaker 2: two of four or two or five is two of 69 00:03:05,960 --> 00:03:07,800 Speaker 2: three depending on what that And I kind of feel 70 00:03:07,800 --> 00:03:11,520 Speaker 2: like each year i'm away for football, like I just 71 00:03:11,560 --> 00:03:13,960 Speaker 2: try to maintain that playing with. That means I'm healthy 72 00:03:14,000 --> 00:03:16,240 Speaker 2: if I can. If I I ain't played in almost 73 00:03:16,240 --> 00:03:18,240 Speaker 2: ten years, but if I can still maintain my playing 74 00:03:18,280 --> 00:03:20,720 Speaker 2: with that's kind of how I maintained my health exactly. 75 00:03:20,320 --> 00:03:21,720 Speaker 1: How I look at it, same thing. 76 00:03:21,880 --> 00:03:23,760 Speaker 3: You know, it's the same way you look at it. 77 00:03:23,760 --> 00:03:24,360 Speaker 3: It is okay. 78 00:03:24,520 --> 00:03:26,440 Speaker 2: I got to give you one more compliment too, because 79 00:03:26,560 --> 00:03:28,880 Speaker 2: my oldest brother, his name is Brian Harper. We call 80 00:03:28,960 --> 00:03:30,960 Speaker 2: him b Harp. He talks a lot of trash all 81 00:03:31,000 --> 00:03:33,960 Speaker 2: the time. You are the one person that he referenced 82 00:03:33,960 --> 00:03:37,280 Speaker 2: to that. Like you know, Rome, I used to always think, like, man, 83 00:03:37,320 --> 00:03:38,960 Speaker 2: I could get out there. I hear all these people 84 00:03:39,000 --> 00:03:40,720 Speaker 2: say like, oh I could do this, I could do that, 85 00:03:41,240 --> 00:03:43,200 Speaker 2: And then I guess you guys came to the Dome 86 00:03:43,280 --> 00:03:45,840 Speaker 2: one time and he saw you jump about two or 87 00:03:45,840 --> 00:03:48,160 Speaker 2: three cuts, two or three holes and then got outside 88 00:03:48,560 --> 00:03:50,280 Speaker 2: and ran over somebody and then got out of bounce and. 89 00:03:50,240 --> 00:03:53,120 Speaker 1: He was like, nah, you can't do that. Many did these. 90 00:03:53,000 --> 00:03:55,080 Speaker 2: Running backs of the league. They next level. So it's 91 00:03:55,200 --> 00:03:57,720 Speaker 2: always been about your speed or your power. Which one 92 00:03:57,760 --> 00:03:59,520 Speaker 2: would you say is your best attribute? 93 00:04:00,400 --> 00:04:03,920 Speaker 1: Oh wow, I would think. I always try to time 94 00:04:04,040 --> 00:04:07,600 Speaker 1: up my impact. So I was like a baseball player aspect, right, 95 00:04:07,680 --> 00:04:09,360 Speaker 1: So when I knew it was about to be impact, 96 00:04:09,680 --> 00:04:11,880 Speaker 1: I try to explode through the shoulder paths or whoever 97 00:04:11,920 --> 00:04:12,560 Speaker 1: was about to tackle. 98 00:04:12,680 --> 00:04:13,320 Speaker 3: You want to deliver. 99 00:04:13,400 --> 00:04:16,479 Speaker 1: I wanted to deliver, right, I knew I wasn't quite 100 00:04:16,480 --> 00:04:19,760 Speaker 1: four two four three. I was four four respectable, but 101 00:04:19,800 --> 00:04:22,720 Speaker 1: then at the same time very respectable. You got to 102 00:04:22,800 --> 00:04:25,080 Speaker 1: understand who were talking to, Like this person ain't never 103 00:04:25,160 --> 00:04:26,480 Speaker 1: ran a full fall, that's true. 104 00:04:27,040 --> 00:04:28,400 Speaker 3: Person hasn't ran a four eight. 105 00:04:28,800 --> 00:04:30,520 Speaker 1: That's It's like, you know, the thing is because we 106 00:04:30,560 --> 00:04:32,440 Speaker 1: have we all have kids to think about. When you 107 00:04:32,480 --> 00:04:35,560 Speaker 1: say stuff like that, the kids to them it's like, well, dad, 108 00:04:35,560 --> 00:04:38,520 Speaker 1: you was only for four I'm like, so, you're right. 109 00:04:38,520 --> 00:04:40,320 Speaker 3: I'm talking to teenagers a lot right now. 110 00:04:40,360 --> 00:04:43,440 Speaker 1: I get it to get it, so yeah, impact, I 111 00:04:43,440 --> 00:04:45,200 Speaker 1: would say, you know, it was always a blend. I 112 00:04:45,200 --> 00:04:48,799 Speaker 1: always wanted to, you know, leave the game. Having everybody 113 00:04:48,880 --> 00:04:50,080 Speaker 1: like that was a tough one. 114 00:04:50,560 --> 00:04:53,480 Speaker 3: I didn't want that smoke. I'm just gonna say it, like, nah, I've. 115 00:04:53,760 --> 00:04:57,039 Speaker 2: Dude, everybody made business decisions tackling this guy. I great 116 00:04:57,120 --> 00:04:58,880 Speaker 2: about you all the time. I'm a big family you 117 00:04:58,920 --> 00:05:02,120 Speaker 2: ors you know that. Well, I would say this. I 118 00:05:02,160 --> 00:05:05,520 Speaker 2: was talking to some of our people here today, Jake 119 00:05:05,560 --> 00:05:11,160 Speaker 2: and everybody, how you are my generations? Derrick Henry Where 120 00:05:11,200 --> 00:05:14,760 Speaker 2: now we look at Derrick Henry and he's big, he's fast, 121 00:05:14,800 --> 00:05:17,480 Speaker 2: he has a stiff arm and he's roll tied and 122 00:05:17,560 --> 00:05:20,320 Speaker 2: so went to a great university. I mean, he's amazing, 123 00:05:20,520 --> 00:05:23,000 Speaker 2: he won a Heisman, he's done all these great things. 124 00:05:23,279 --> 00:05:27,479 Speaker 2: But in our generation, we had Steven Jackson. And so 125 00:05:28,480 --> 00:05:31,480 Speaker 2: how do you feel about that comparison? And do you 126 00:05:31,520 --> 00:05:34,000 Speaker 2: think you get enough of your flowers from those that 127 00:05:34,080 --> 00:05:36,719 Speaker 2: maybe because you played with Saint Lucient, you probably didn't 128 00:05:36,720 --> 00:05:38,560 Speaker 2: win as much as you guys wanted to at times. 129 00:05:39,040 --> 00:05:41,960 Speaker 1: No, I appreciate the compliment. I could see the similarities 130 00:05:42,000 --> 00:05:45,400 Speaker 1: in our game. You know, once being a running back, 131 00:05:45,440 --> 00:05:48,400 Speaker 1: it's a small fraternity. But what's even smaller within that 132 00:05:48,480 --> 00:05:51,880 Speaker 1: fraternity is the big backs. Yes, right, So, like you said, 133 00:05:51,960 --> 00:05:53,560 Speaker 1: like I felt like the torch was handed to me 134 00:05:53,600 --> 00:05:57,159 Speaker 1: from Eddie George. And when I met Eddie it was 135 00:05:57,360 --> 00:05:59,560 Speaker 1: one it was a huge honor. But we talked about, 136 00:06:00,000 --> 00:06:01,920 Speaker 1: you know, it's some smaller guys, they're gonna feel like 137 00:06:01,960 --> 00:06:03,760 Speaker 1: you can't do certain things. You just go out there 138 00:06:03,760 --> 00:06:06,360 Speaker 1: and do your thing. So when I seen Derek come 139 00:06:06,400 --> 00:06:08,280 Speaker 1: on the scene, it kind of it was like, Yo, 140 00:06:08,480 --> 00:06:10,360 Speaker 1: the big back is still alive. Right, It's not a 141 00:06:10,400 --> 00:06:12,880 Speaker 1: whole bunch of scat backs and running backs by the committee. 142 00:06:13,160 --> 00:06:15,200 Speaker 1: It is a guy out there that just do everything 143 00:06:15,720 --> 00:06:19,640 Speaker 1: and be that that soul. But for Derek, what he's 144 00:06:19,680 --> 00:06:22,960 Speaker 1: doing in the career he's had, it's amazing because at first, 145 00:06:23,000 --> 00:06:25,520 Speaker 1: you know, at Tennessee, when he didn't win the Super 146 00:06:25,560 --> 00:06:27,320 Speaker 1: Bowl there, I was like, man, are they going to 147 00:06:27,400 --> 00:06:28,880 Speaker 1: use up his years? Kind of like what happened to 148 00:06:28,880 --> 00:06:31,280 Speaker 1: me in Saint Louis. But to see what has happened 149 00:06:31,320 --> 00:06:34,080 Speaker 1: and this year he had in Baltimore, it was like kudos. 150 00:06:34,120 --> 00:06:36,480 Speaker 1: And then you pair that up with taekuon doing like 151 00:06:36,800 --> 00:06:38,680 Speaker 1: the big back in the running back is back. So 152 00:06:39,000 --> 00:06:40,040 Speaker 1: I'm excited about. 153 00:06:39,800 --> 00:06:41,520 Speaker 2: That now when you say big back, because you know 154 00:06:41,920 --> 00:06:44,560 Speaker 2: I'm not. It's not always about weight, No. I think 155 00:06:44,560 --> 00:06:46,960 Speaker 2: when you refer to the big back, it's the hype, right, 156 00:06:47,040 --> 00:06:49,119 Speaker 2: It's the way you know you're talking about scat backs. 157 00:06:49,120 --> 00:06:51,680 Speaker 2: We scatbacks are there's still two hundred pounds, but they're 158 00:06:51,680 --> 00:06:54,839 Speaker 2: like five eight five ten. Yeah, you are six two, 159 00:06:54,920 --> 00:06:58,640 Speaker 2: six six two, you're six two. Derek Henry's six three. 160 00:06:58,960 --> 00:07:00,680 Speaker 1: He's at least six four. I think he got two 161 00:07:00,720 --> 00:07:02,679 Speaker 1: inches on me, six four. I think. 162 00:07:05,480 --> 00:07:09,880 Speaker 3: Vegas they never still to him he was I was legit. 163 00:07:10,000 --> 00:07:12,440 Speaker 3: I was like, he probably six two No, he's definitely 164 00:07:12,440 --> 00:07:15,360 Speaker 3: not six too. He's definitely that. He's definitely telling me, 165 00:07:15,800 --> 00:07:16,720 Speaker 3: damn crazy. 166 00:07:16,760 --> 00:07:19,280 Speaker 2: But that's what you mean by big back, right, And 167 00:07:19,600 --> 00:07:22,760 Speaker 2: I forgot that Eddie George was. Eddie George is extremely 168 00:07:22,760 --> 00:07:26,040 Speaker 2: tall back as well, probably Eric Dickerous to the guys 169 00:07:26,080 --> 00:07:29,040 Speaker 2: before that, I would assume all the big backs. So 170 00:07:29,840 --> 00:07:32,120 Speaker 2: how do you feel about the resurgence of the running back? 171 00:07:32,200 --> 00:07:34,400 Speaker 2: How big of a year has it been? Because everybody 172 00:07:34,480 --> 00:07:36,720 Speaker 2: tried to downplay the run of the position, and all 173 00:07:36,720 --> 00:07:38,960 Speaker 2: of a sudden, now the teams that are here are 174 00:07:39,720 --> 00:07:40,760 Speaker 2: they got running backs? 175 00:07:40,800 --> 00:07:43,840 Speaker 1: For sure. I think it's important for the position. I 176 00:07:43,840 --> 00:07:45,160 Speaker 1: think for a lot of times, as we know, the 177 00:07:45,240 --> 00:07:47,720 Speaker 1: NFL is a copycat league. So when teams are having 178 00:07:47,760 --> 00:07:50,520 Speaker 1: successful multiple running backs, and then you could you could 179 00:07:50,560 --> 00:07:53,520 Speaker 1: couple that excuse with having insurance because guys don't last 180 00:07:53,520 --> 00:07:55,720 Speaker 1: the whole season. It makes for a great argument when 181 00:07:55,720 --> 00:07:58,760 Speaker 1: somebody's building a team for scratch. But I think you know, 182 00:07:58,760 --> 00:08:01,440 Speaker 1: when you start talking about and later in the season, 183 00:08:01,480 --> 00:08:03,840 Speaker 1: you need a big guy that's a possession guy that 184 00:08:04,000 --> 00:08:06,560 Speaker 1: the moment won't get too big for him. He get 185 00:08:06,600 --> 00:08:08,240 Speaker 1: you know, gets you a first down, but he also 186 00:08:08,280 --> 00:08:10,840 Speaker 1: hits your home run for you. And also with the 187 00:08:10,880 --> 00:08:13,320 Speaker 1: way defense are playing, you guys are on your side 188 00:08:13,320 --> 00:08:15,280 Speaker 1: of the football field. You guys are going more exotic. 189 00:08:15,320 --> 00:08:18,000 Speaker 1: You guys are going smaller linebackers. I could run with 190 00:08:18,040 --> 00:08:20,600 Speaker 1: the tight end and cover out the backfield. So if 191 00:08:20,600 --> 00:08:22,960 Speaker 1: you start thinking about, like where's my advantage? Where do 192 00:08:23,040 --> 00:08:25,760 Speaker 1: I take? You know, where's on offense? Can we take 193 00:08:25,880 --> 00:08:28,760 Speaker 1: advantage of that matchup? You're talking about five six man 194 00:08:28,840 --> 00:08:32,200 Speaker 1: box with smaller guys. You put there, you put myself in, 195 00:08:32,240 --> 00:08:35,840 Speaker 1: and then you know you at least expecting five yards. Yeah. 196 00:08:35,920 --> 00:08:41,839 Speaker 2: Yeah, what was your favorite run play? 197 00:08:41,960 --> 00:08:44,760 Speaker 1: So at Oregon State we were a single back offense. Yeah, 198 00:08:44,840 --> 00:08:46,880 Speaker 1: and I learned to run inside the zone and it 199 00:08:46,920 --> 00:08:48,640 Speaker 1: gave me the freedom that if I found the hole, 200 00:08:48,679 --> 00:08:51,320 Speaker 1: I could get there. So it's it's my bread and butter, 201 00:08:51,320 --> 00:08:52,800 Speaker 1: it's my stable. I say, I made a lot of 202 00:08:52,800 --> 00:08:54,920 Speaker 1: money off that play because all you got to do 203 00:08:55,000 --> 00:08:57,840 Speaker 1: is get someone overflowing and you can take that backside cut, 204 00:08:57,960 --> 00:09:00,600 Speaker 1: you know, and you can crease them. So I would go, 205 00:09:00,640 --> 00:09:02,720 Speaker 1: I would say inside zone and then after that, I 206 00:09:02,720 --> 00:09:06,240 Speaker 1: gotta go gap scheme. I like power, Yeah, hat on 207 00:09:06,280 --> 00:09:07,079 Speaker 1: the hat, let's go. 208 00:09:08,080 --> 00:09:10,319 Speaker 2: I like that I hate that cutback, bro, because that's 209 00:09:10,400 --> 00:09:14,200 Speaker 2: usually the safeties gays exactly. 210 00:09:15,400 --> 00:09:19,080 Speaker 3: Decision, decision. I'll tell you I never had to worry 211 00:09:19,120 --> 00:09:21,880 Speaker 3: about it. No, bro, if it. 212 00:09:21,920 --> 00:09:23,560 Speaker 2: Got all the way out there, you could just push 213 00:09:23,600 --> 00:09:25,280 Speaker 2: him out of bounds, you know. And you're a big 214 00:09:25,320 --> 00:09:28,800 Speaker 2: corner two peanuts, So like you know, it's different. How 215 00:09:28,840 --> 00:09:30,720 Speaker 2: would you describe your running style? 216 00:09:31,480 --> 00:09:34,040 Speaker 1: I would like to say I'm a classic. I'm a 217 00:09:34,160 --> 00:09:37,319 Speaker 1: nineties and nineties back. I think I'm a guy that 218 00:09:37,400 --> 00:09:39,840 Speaker 1: could I could protect it in the backfield. I mean, 219 00:09:39,840 --> 00:09:42,840 Speaker 1: your last line of defense, small enough to run the hots. 220 00:09:42,920 --> 00:09:44,680 Speaker 1: If I need to run a route out the backfield, 221 00:09:44,720 --> 00:09:47,800 Speaker 1: I got soft hands. But then you know from the 222 00:09:48,000 --> 00:09:50,240 Speaker 1: from the center on out to the tight end, I could, 223 00:09:50,360 --> 00:09:51,959 Speaker 1: I could hit it, I could crease it, and I 224 00:09:52,000 --> 00:09:54,400 Speaker 1: had enough speed to pull away. So I believe I'm 225 00:09:54,440 --> 00:09:56,920 Speaker 1: a back that I give coaches problems because he has 226 00:09:56,960 --> 00:09:58,800 Speaker 1: to figure out when can he take me off the field. 227 00:09:59,320 --> 00:10:02,320 Speaker 1: And as my my oldest son, our oldest son is eighteen, 228 00:10:02,400 --> 00:10:04,280 Speaker 1: he's a running back. He'll be going to Oregon State 229 00:10:04,400 --> 00:10:08,959 Speaker 1: next year. That's my relations sure, dude, So that's that's 230 00:10:08,960 --> 00:10:13,200 Speaker 1: what Skyler Jackson Colear Jackson don't put pressure on him 231 00:10:13,200 --> 00:10:14,880 Speaker 1: to make sure that he's all around. I don't want 232 00:10:14,920 --> 00:10:16,640 Speaker 1: him to just say I'm a scatter on this on 233 00:10:16,800 --> 00:10:19,520 Speaker 1: that you're neither you are what the coach needs you 234 00:10:19,600 --> 00:10:19,840 Speaker 1: to be. 235 00:10:20,800 --> 00:10:23,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, but I think that's a huge compliment to you 236 00:10:23,080 --> 00:10:25,280 Speaker 2: because that was one of your big things. I know, 237 00:10:25,520 --> 00:10:28,840 Speaker 2: I compared you to Derrick Henry. Well, our generations Derrick 238 00:10:28,880 --> 00:10:32,560 Speaker 2: Henry were, You're this generation. You know, he's you're their generation, 239 00:10:32,640 --> 00:10:35,360 Speaker 2: Stephen Jackson in my opinion, but you caught the ball 240 00:10:35,440 --> 00:10:37,600 Speaker 2: the backfield. You're like a true truth threat. You were 241 00:10:37,840 --> 00:10:40,320 Speaker 2: the number one option pretty much mary An he catches 242 00:10:40,360 --> 00:10:42,880 Speaker 2: one season, you were the number one option, Yes, sir, 243 00:10:43,160 --> 00:10:45,959 Speaker 2: that's a very slept on season, too, very very slept 244 00:10:46,040 --> 00:10:47,800 Speaker 2: on season. I saw that on my Instagram real the 245 00:10:47,840 --> 00:10:50,360 Speaker 2: other day, like that is a great slept on season 246 00:10:50,360 --> 00:10:51,720 Speaker 2: for Stephen Jackson running backs. 247 00:10:52,000 --> 00:10:56,319 Speaker 3: And so with that, was it the hands? The catching? 248 00:10:56,600 --> 00:10:58,760 Speaker 2: Is that just something you always had or is that 249 00:10:58,840 --> 00:11:00,720 Speaker 2: something you had to literally work on? Because for me, 250 00:11:00,760 --> 00:11:04,000 Speaker 2: I had to work on catching the ball because I 251 00:11:04,080 --> 00:11:07,720 Speaker 2: wasn't used to the The NFL ball doesn't have a 252 00:11:07,720 --> 00:11:10,120 Speaker 2: white strike right, So for me, I really struggled picking 253 00:11:10,120 --> 00:11:11,000 Speaker 2: it up with my eyes. 254 00:11:11,360 --> 00:11:13,240 Speaker 1: No, for me, I was a natural catcher. But what 255 00:11:13,280 --> 00:11:15,360 Speaker 1: made me want to get really good at it my 256 00:11:15,440 --> 00:11:18,920 Speaker 1: rookie year back to Marshall fault, right, and you can't 257 00:11:18,960 --> 00:11:21,240 Speaker 1: tell coach Mike Martz something that I can't do it. 258 00:11:21,280 --> 00:11:23,760 Speaker 1: He like, well, Marshall could do it. You know. It 259 00:11:23,840 --> 00:11:25,600 Speaker 1: kind of put that pressure on me to become all 260 00:11:25,640 --> 00:11:29,319 Speaker 1: around really good. I just understanding route running and then leverage. 261 00:11:29,400 --> 00:11:32,439 Speaker 1: Right when you get on on on the defender, what 262 00:11:32,600 --> 00:11:34,440 Speaker 1: he leaning are you giving him something at the top 263 00:11:34,480 --> 00:11:36,719 Speaker 1: of your route. All those things came later, you know, 264 00:11:36,840 --> 00:11:38,760 Speaker 1: once to do my career. As far as being a 265 00:11:38,840 --> 00:11:41,520 Speaker 1: natural catch, I was able to do that, you know. 266 00:11:41,559 --> 00:11:43,800 Speaker 1: And then again it goes back to college career. We 267 00:11:43,880 --> 00:11:46,599 Speaker 1: ran a pro style offense. I had Dennis Erickson, but 268 00:11:46,800 --> 00:11:48,760 Speaker 1: he ran that. You know. We would go three four 269 00:11:48,880 --> 00:11:51,520 Speaker 1: ride and we're gonna we're gonna just let you pick 270 00:11:51,520 --> 00:11:52,559 Speaker 1: your poison. Yeah. 271 00:11:52,600 --> 00:11:54,480 Speaker 2: So I know in our era we had some big 272 00:11:54,640 --> 00:11:56,559 Speaker 2: we have some big running backs, but yet we also 273 00:11:56,640 --> 00:12:00,480 Speaker 2: had the we had the big linebackers. Yes, and you're 274 00:12:00,480 --> 00:12:02,360 Speaker 2: an all around back. You can run, you can block 275 00:12:02,440 --> 00:12:06,800 Speaker 2: and catch. Give me a name of a player that 276 00:12:07,000 --> 00:12:09,160 Speaker 2: gave you the business in the backfield when he was 277 00:12:09,200 --> 00:12:09,880 Speaker 2: trying to protect. 278 00:12:10,280 --> 00:12:19,040 Speaker 1: They happened in practice. Pem okay, mine's happened in practice practice? Yeah, 279 00:12:19,960 --> 00:12:24,840 Speaker 1: Chris Clayborn, Yeah yeah, sc big linebacker two fifty two sixty. 280 00:12:25,280 --> 00:12:28,439 Speaker 1: We're doing one on one protection and you know, in practice, 281 00:12:28,520 --> 00:12:31,680 Speaker 1: especially trading camp, you know, you gotta you gotta bug 282 00:12:31,760 --> 00:12:35,040 Speaker 1: your Chinstrapstely, I will never forget. We was like it 283 00:12:35,080 --> 00:12:36,559 Speaker 1: was like the last ten plays in the School of 284 00:12:36,640 --> 00:12:37,600 Speaker 1: damn teen script. 285 00:12:39,040 --> 00:12:40,760 Speaker 3: You have made it, we'd have made it. We about 286 00:12:40,800 --> 00:12:42,200 Speaker 3: to go to we about to go in the locker room. 287 00:12:42,200 --> 00:12:44,480 Speaker 1: Here we go and Chris came in on the bliss 288 00:12:44,559 --> 00:12:48,880 Speaker 1: man and I I didn't take him serious, and he 289 00:12:49,000 --> 00:12:51,360 Speaker 1: got you got this. You gut his helmet underneath me 290 00:12:52,040 --> 00:12:53,760 Speaker 1: and he split my chin. I had to get I 291 00:12:53,840 --> 00:12:56,880 Speaker 1: had to get stitches out the practice so my you know, 292 00:12:57,280 --> 00:12:59,960 Speaker 1: I have fun memories of that, but there's no nummy 293 00:13:00,080 --> 00:13:03,240 Speaker 1: for the chin really, so you just they just sewing 294 00:13:03,280 --> 00:13:06,400 Speaker 1: you up. And I was so mad at critical you 295 00:13:06,400 --> 00:13:10,280 Speaker 1: would do that. We got to be out of practice. 296 00:13:11,360 --> 00:13:14,040 Speaker 1: What we do? What are we doing here? Yeah? What 297 00:13:14,200 --> 00:13:18,240 Speaker 1: year was he? Y'all? Events we were I was probably 298 00:13:18,320 --> 00:13:20,439 Speaker 1: year two or three. I was skill a puppy. I 299 00:13:20,480 --> 00:13:22,560 Speaker 1: was still a puppy, but he was coming over to 300 00:13:22,600 --> 00:13:24,200 Speaker 1: the team and his first year with us, so I 301 00:13:24,240 --> 00:13:27,320 Speaker 1: get it right. It was point. 302 00:13:27,480 --> 00:13:31,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, you having to be the point, to be the point. Ye, 303 00:13:32,200 --> 00:13:36,040 Speaker 2: what is your welcome to the NFL moment? 304 00:13:37,200 --> 00:13:38,880 Speaker 1: Lawyer malloy in Buffalo. 305 00:13:39,720 --> 00:13:41,360 Speaker 3: Ye, this is another thing, pop right out. 306 00:13:41,480 --> 00:13:45,440 Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, lawyer malloy in Buffalo. At that time, I 307 00:13:45,520 --> 00:13:47,800 Speaker 1: wasn't playing a lot, so they were just spot giving 308 00:13:47,800 --> 00:13:50,040 Speaker 1: me plays. We're on the we're on a goal line, 309 00:13:50,480 --> 00:13:52,440 Speaker 1: and coach calls a run play for me to run in. 310 00:13:52,559 --> 00:13:54,760 Speaker 1: I came in high. I'm just used to run over 311 00:13:54,800 --> 00:13:58,600 Speaker 1: everybody in college. Lawyer came in and clean my clog man. 312 00:13:58,640 --> 00:14:05,560 Speaker 1: I thought I swallowed my tongue. My running back coach 313 00:14:05,559 --> 00:14:10,040 Speaker 1: at the time, he was like, Yo, don't you ever 314 00:14:10,120 --> 00:14:13,760 Speaker 1: do that again? And the next damn film we just 315 00:14:13,840 --> 00:14:16,040 Speaker 1: kept rewinding it and I was just like, Okay, I 316 00:14:16,080 --> 00:14:18,600 Speaker 1: get the hazing, I get it. I would never do 317 00:14:18,640 --> 00:14:20,120 Speaker 1: that again. Was it was? 318 00:14:20,160 --> 00:14:22,480 Speaker 2: It just a constant slower wind back and they just 319 00:14:22,560 --> 00:14:26,360 Speaker 2: keep talking, just running back, just keep running back. 320 00:14:29,120 --> 00:14:30,840 Speaker 3: Those are like the most embarrassing moments. 321 00:14:30,880 --> 00:14:33,760 Speaker 2: So I remember being in games and I would get 322 00:14:33,840 --> 00:14:35,520 Speaker 2: hit by a line and a run, you miss tackle, 323 00:14:35,600 --> 00:14:38,360 Speaker 2: someone runs you over. And the first thing that I 324 00:14:38,360 --> 00:14:41,600 Speaker 2: would say that was like, damn, we gotta Washington team. 325 00:14:41,880 --> 00:14:44,320 Speaker 2: We gotta Washington team. Film and you're sitting there, Washington 326 00:14:44,560 --> 00:14:47,160 Speaker 2: and they're watching it and it's like you falling and 327 00:14:47,200 --> 00:14:49,800 Speaker 2: going back and she's falling going back and she falling 328 00:14:49,840 --> 00:14:51,760 Speaker 2: going back, and everyone's. 329 00:14:51,320 --> 00:14:54,280 Speaker 3: Like damn, damn, hey, look look, and you're. 330 00:14:54,160 --> 00:14:55,760 Speaker 2: Just like, oh my god, just go to the next 331 00:14:55,800 --> 00:14:57,320 Speaker 2: play already, Why don't please? 332 00:14:58,120 --> 00:15:00,840 Speaker 1: Special one is on that's running back. Yeah, you know, 333 00:15:00,880 --> 00:15:02,600 Speaker 1: you guys got three or four people to watch because 334 00:15:02,600 --> 00:15:03,480 Speaker 1: you guys in a group. 335 00:15:03,600 --> 00:15:07,080 Speaker 3: Like it was on the one back. Then I see 336 00:15:07,120 --> 00:15:07,560 Speaker 3: what I did. 337 00:15:08,600 --> 00:15:10,520 Speaker 1: I see what I do? You know what? 338 00:15:10,560 --> 00:15:13,000 Speaker 3: That is a great point. Actually, I never actually thought 339 00:15:13,040 --> 00:15:13,560 Speaker 3: about that. 340 00:15:13,840 --> 00:15:15,800 Speaker 2: When you're coaching the running backs and y'all are in 341 00:15:15,840 --> 00:15:17,800 Speaker 2: the meeting room and it's just one running back and 342 00:15:17,880 --> 00:15:18,600 Speaker 2: you mess up, like. 343 00:15:18,520 --> 00:15:20,200 Speaker 3: Bro, we ain't got to do that six times, but 344 00:15:20,680 --> 00:15:24,720 Speaker 3: we all saw it. You don't have to, Like we 345 00:15:24,800 --> 00:15:25,480 Speaker 3: got two corners. 346 00:15:25,520 --> 00:15:26,960 Speaker 2: We got to talk about what they do in the 347 00:15:26,960 --> 00:15:29,800 Speaker 2: play so much embarrassing. So it's a lot like we 348 00:15:29,840 --> 00:15:32,040 Speaker 2: could get through it. That's just like bro ain't but 349 00:15:32,120 --> 00:15:34,360 Speaker 2: one of us like like we got it. 350 00:15:35,320 --> 00:15:37,080 Speaker 1: Try to go to the bathroom, they're palls and wait 351 00:15:37,160 --> 00:15:37,600 Speaker 1: on you. 352 00:15:38,160 --> 00:15:40,760 Speaker 3: I I. 353 00:15:42,240 --> 00:15:47,800 Speaker 2: It's the worst. So RAMS all time leaning rusher. Where 354 00:15:47,800 --> 00:15:50,760 Speaker 2: does that rank in all the list of your accomplishments. 355 00:15:51,480 --> 00:15:53,920 Speaker 1: It's a big, a huge, no, it's a big deal. 356 00:15:54,040 --> 00:15:55,840 Speaker 1: So when I when I was able to take the 357 00:15:55,880 --> 00:15:58,680 Speaker 1: starting job, it was a golden mine and become the 358 00:15:58,720 --> 00:16:01,360 Speaker 1: RAMS all time leading rusher. And when it happened, it 359 00:16:01,400 --> 00:16:05,920 Speaker 1: happened in Tampa, it was one that I was extremely 360 00:16:05,960 --> 00:16:07,680 Speaker 1: proud of because I knew the two people I had 361 00:16:07,680 --> 00:16:11,440 Speaker 1: to pass to get to be number one, and to 362 00:16:11,640 --> 00:16:16,160 Speaker 1: have those names the second and third now behind minds, 363 00:16:16,200 --> 00:16:18,840 Speaker 1: it means that I had at least a career that 364 00:16:18,880 --> 00:16:21,560 Speaker 1: I could be like, I could hold my head up high. 365 00:16:21,640 --> 00:16:23,160 Speaker 1: And it's one of those things that means a lot 366 00:16:23,200 --> 00:16:26,600 Speaker 1: to me. Who knows, there's a hall of famous you know, 367 00:16:26,680 --> 00:16:28,720 Speaker 1: to come knock it or not, but it's one of 368 00:16:28,800 --> 00:16:32,120 Speaker 1: those things that I can say, Hey, in that organization, 369 00:16:32,320 --> 00:16:33,880 Speaker 1: I rang up there with two of the greats that 370 00:16:33,960 --> 00:16:35,680 Speaker 1: ever played the game. So it's something that I'm very 371 00:16:35,680 --> 00:16:36,040 Speaker 1: proud of. 372 00:16:36,240 --> 00:16:38,840 Speaker 2: Well, you're a head of two Hall of Famers, So 373 00:16:38,920 --> 00:16:41,040 Speaker 2: that that matters, you know what I mean, that's a 374 00:16:41,040 --> 00:16:41,560 Speaker 2: beautiful thing. 375 00:16:41,600 --> 00:16:44,760 Speaker 1: That's about telling my family and they ain't listening. 376 00:16:47,080 --> 00:16:49,040 Speaker 3: Keep that football in Tampa. 377 00:16:49,280 --> 00:16:49,800 Speaker 1: You have it? 378 00:16:49,920 --> 00:16:52,480 Speaker 2: Yes, who is the team that you struggle you felt 379 00:16:52,480 --> 00:16:55,040 Speaker 2: like you struggled versus if there were any team? 380 00:16:55,320 --> 00:16:57,720 Speaker 3: Was it a defense? Was it a scheme? 381 00:16:58,400 --> 00:17:01,160 Speaker 2: Who's somebody that you actually like, feel like Steven Jackson stroke? 382 00:17:01,240 --> 00:17:03,920 Speaker 2: Because when I watched you play, I don't think anybody 383 00:17:03,920 --> 00:17:05,920 Speaker 2: ever like made Stephen Jackson struggle. 384 00:17:07,920 --> 00:17:10,879 Speaker 1: I would tell you the toughest is three four to 385 00:17:10,960 --> 00:17:11,840 Speaker 1: two gap guys. 386 00:17:12,600 --> 00:17:15,119 Speaker 3: Yeah. San Francisco did a lot. 387 00:17:15,359 --> 00:17:17,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, when they were on their run, they were one. 388 00:17:17,080 --> 00:17:19,639 Speaker 1: They were on there justin Smith yeah yeah yeah. He 389 00:17:19,760 --> 00:17:22,640 Speaker 1: showed you had one way and then discard. Yeah. So 390 00:17:22,840 --> 00:17:25,679 Speaker 1: those were the defense that gave me frustration, made me 391 00:17:25,760 --> 00:17:29,119 Speaker 1: really like question my eyes. I remember coming up to 392 00:17:29,160 --> 00:17:32,120 Speaker 1: the sign like am I seeing it right? Like everywhere 393 00:17:32,760 --> 00:17:37,040 Speaker 1: they are everywhere. So I would say those particular. 394 00:17:36,760 --> 00:17:40,879 Speaker 2: Kind of schemes, okay, three three fours. 395 00:17:41,160 --> 00:17:43,600 Speaker 1: Guy that could disengage, right, he got to be strong 396 00:17:43,680 --> 00:17:45,240 Speaker 1: enough where he could just he. 397 00:17:45,280 --> 00:17:47,600 Speaker 3: Could show you one hat in one hole and then 398 00:17:47,840 --> 00:17:48,400 Speaker 3: you know full. 399 00:17:48,520 --> 00:17:50,439 Speaker 2: Yeah, Justin Smith was a big problem for a lot 400 00:17:50,440 --> 00:17:52,280 Speaker 2: of people. Yeah, I want another. 401 00:17:52,920 --> 00:17:55,520 Speaker 3: We're gonna take a short break and we'll be right back. 402 00:17:59,240 --> 00:18:02,320 Speaker 2: I got to pick him the thirty three, and I 403 00:18:02,320 --> 00:18:04,359 Speaker 2: had my reasons for doing it. Why did you get 404 00:18:04,400 --> 00:18:05,399 Speaker 2: the number thirty nine? 405 00:18:05,880 --> 00:18:09,600 Speaker 1: Thirty nine comes from me and my dad. My dad 406 00:18:10,280 --> 00:18:12,840 Speaker 1: has always been like I wouldn't say he was my coach, 407 00:18:12,920 --> 00:18:16,600 Speaker 1: but he was my professional critic. He was never a 408 00:18:16,640 --> 00:18:19,840 Speaker 1: coach on the staff, but the rides home from practice 409 00:18:19,840 --> 00:18:21,760 Speaker 1: in the game, he let me know, like, hey, play 410 00:18:21,800 --> 00:18:28,360 Speaker 1: seven like that you was stripping. So that was kind 411 00:18:28,359 --> 00:18:30,320 Speaker 1: of dad I had. So he toughened me up for 412 00:18:30,359 --> 00:18:32,000 Speaker 1: the media and the criticism that was to come in 413 00:18:32,000 --> 00:18:35,960 Speaker 1: the future. But I would say it had such great 414 00:18:36,280 --> 00:18:38,280 Speaker 1: He's still here on the earth with us, but I 415 00:18:38,320 --> 00:18:41,479 Speaker 1: had such great respect for his opinion on things. So 416 00:18:41,560 --> 00:18:44,119 Speaker 1: I remember getting to the NFL, like Dad, I warned 417 00:18:44,200 --> 00:18:46,040 Speaker 1: thirty four all my life out of a you know, 418 00:18:46,440 --> 00:18:49,040 Speaker 1: tribute to Walter Payton and Bo Jackson. But now I 419 00:18:49,080 --> 00:18:51,919 Speaker 1: want to do my own thing. I want to be 420 00:18:51,960 --> 00:18:55,040 Speaker 1: able to have somewhat of an impression on another generation 421 00:18:55,240 --> 00:18:57,479 Speaker 1: the way those guys had impression on me, and I 422 00:18:57,520 --> 00:18:59,040 Speaker 1: was like, I was looking around the league and no 423 00:18:59,200 --> 00:19:02,240 Speaker 1: starting running back in the NFL has thirty nine. I 424 00:19:02,320 --> 00:19:04,320 Speaker 1: was like, what do you think of that? And he 425 00:19:04,440 --> 00:19:06,800 Speaker 1: goes and we're in the car right and he goes, 426 00:19:07,080 --> 00:19:10,240 Speaker 1: I was thinking about this as well, and he was like, yeah, 427 00:19:10,400 --> 00:19:12,440 Speaker 1: I think that's your number because it's thirty nine books 428 00:19:12,480 --> 00:19:16,040 Speaker 1: in the Old Testament. And I'm come from a very 429 00:19:16,080 --> 00:19:19,840 Speaker 1: religious background and in that it was me taking one, 430 00:19:20,240 --> 00:19:22,240 Speaker 1: me and my dad agreeing on the number, but taking 431 00:19:22,280 --> 00:19:24,359 Speaker 1: my faith on the on the field with me because 432 00:19:24,480 --> 00:19:25,960 Speaker 1: I feel Gods who placed me there. 433 00:19:26,400 --> 00:19:29,120 Speaker 3: I love that. I usually make fun of thirty nine. 434 00:19:30,000 --> 00:19:32,000 Speaker 1: Well, Marshall fall did it for a long time. 435 00:19:38,720 --> 00:19:41,040 Speaker 3: I'm glad that Marshall from Louisida bro I get it. 436 00:19:41,080 --> 00:19:44,919 Speaker 2: Yeah, no, because ain't better though, No, So let me 437 00:19:44,920 --> 00:19:49,080 Speaker 2: tell you the difference because for me, it's heavy. It's 438 00:19:49,520 --> 00:19:52,200 Speaker 2: it's not heavy, it's it's how wide. So the three 439 00:19:52,320 --> 00:19:55,600 Speaker 2: is a big number naturally, so it was four. It's 440 00:19:55,640 --> 00:19:58,639 Speaker 2: a big numb back now. But the one is very slimmy, okay, 441 00:19:58,800 --> 00:20:00,840 Speaker 2: So it helps with my body with just having the 442 00:20:00,880 --> 00:20:01,400 Speaker 2: slim one. 443 00:20:02,080 --> 00:20:04,400 Speaker 3: You you can carry it, you can hold a thirty nine. 444 00:20:04,440 --> 00:20:06,639 Speaker 2: It doesn't look big on you, but if it was 445 00:20:06,680 --> 00:20:08,639 Speaker 2: on me, it would look big because I got a 446 00:20:08,640 --> 00:20:10,520 Speaker 2: big three and a big nine because nine is a 447 00:20:10,520 --> 00:20:13,440 Speaker 2: big number two, So you got to think about those things. 448 00:20:13,640 --> 00:20:15,440 Speaker 2: It's a full back number, bro, I don't care how 449 00:20:15,440 --> 00:20:18,880 Speaker 2: you try to make the one slimming and sexy forty one. 450 00:20:19,000 --> 00:20:21,280 Speaker 3: It's forty. It's like a full back number, Brun. I 451 00:20:21,280 --> 00:20:22,320 Speaker 3: can see that. 452 00:20:22,320 --> 00:20:25,360 Speaker 1: That's that's all right now? Yeah? 453 00:20:25,400 --> 00:20:27,840 Speaker 3: Aka, I meaning jersey sales every day. 454 00:20:28,000 --> 00:20:36,399 Speaker 1: Yeah, for men go to the thirty nine. 455 00:20:36,640 --> 00:20:37,879 Speaker 3: Know when the start is getting. 456 00:20:40,720 --> 00:20:40,919 Speaker 1: You know. 457 00:20:40,960 --> 00:20:43,120 Speaker 2: That's another thing too, because like NFL teams, they don't 458 00:20:43,119 --> 00:20:46,560 Speaker 2: just put your jerseys up. Has Oregon State retired? Has 459 00:20:46,760 --> 00:20:50,680 Speaker 2: or I mean, has the Rams the Rams all your college? 460 00:20:51,119 --> 00:20:53,760 Speaker 1: No, No, I'm in. I'm in my university's Hall of Fame. 461 00:20:54,119 --> 00:20:56,120 Speaker 2: They haven't retired, and they don't do the number. They 462 00:20:56,119 --> 00:20:57,080 Speaker 2: don't do it, okay. 463 00:20:57,320 --> 00:21:00,439 Speaker 1: And then as far as the Rams trash, no, no, 464 00:21:00,560 --> 00:21:02,200 Speaker 1: it's a youngster was wearing it this. 465 00:21:02,200 --> 00:21:04,639 Speaker 3: Year, Okay, sore subject. 466 00:21:04,720 --> 00:21:05,080 Speaker 1: I Wonmber. 467 00:21:05,720 --> 00:21:08,440 Speaker 2: I just remember today I retired. They gave my number 468 00:21:08,440 --> 00:21:10,480 Speaker 2: away literally the next year, and I was like, damn, 469 00:21:10,560 --> 00:21:13,440 Speaker 2: y'all couldn't let it like rest, no for like a year, 470 00:21:13,560 --> 00:21:14,120 Speaker 2: a season. 471 00:21:14,320 --> 00:21:17,280 Speaker 3: We need that couple. Yeah, we need that Week one, 472 00:21:17,480 --> 00:21:19,960 Speaker 3: we need that, We need that. I was sorry. 473 00:21:20,240 --> 00:21:22,199 Speaker 2: I want to know how tough it was losing in 474 00:21:22,280 --> 00:21:24,840 Speaker 2: twenty fifteen in the AFC Championship Game because you went 475 00:21:24,880 --> 00:21:25,560 Speaker 2: to New England. 476 00:21:26,160 --> 00:21:27,760 Speaker 3: I'm assuming you were like, I'm coming here. 477 00:21:27,760 --> 00:21:29,399 Speaker 2: I'm trying to win me a super Bowl because that, 478 00:21:29,600 --> 00:21:32,679 Speaker 2: like all of us, at some point, that's like a box. 479 00:21:32,800 --> 00:21:34,879 Speaker 2: I think we all as natural athletes, and when you 480 00:21:34,960 --> 00:21:37,960 Speaker 2: get into an NFL locker room, you want to check 481 00:21:38,000 --> 00:21:42,480 Speaker 2: that box. How tough was that for you to actually 482 00:21:42,560 --> 00:21:43,040 Speaker 2: experience that? 483 00:21:43,280 --> 00:21:45,200 Speaker 1: It actually wasn't as tough as you think it would 484 00:21:45,200 --> 00:21:48,960 Speaker 1: have been. Right that year. I had turned down earlier 485 00:21:48,960 --> 00:21:51,520 Speaker 1: in this season that Arizona Cardinals had to offer me 486 00:21:51,560 --> 00:21:53,840 Speaker 1: a deal, and I kind of stayed away from it. 487 00:21:53,880 --> 00:21:55,840 Speaker 1: My dad was dealing with cancer. He's bat on a cancer. 488 00:21:56,119 --> 00:21:58,160 Speaker 1: I wanted to be there for the family. So when 489 00:21:58,160 --> 00:22:01,320 Speaker 1: I passed that opportunity up, I didn't get another phone 490 00:22:01,320 --> 00:22:04,240 Speaker 1: call right and that you're talking about August training camp 491 00:22:04,320 --> 00:22:07,399 Speaker 1: and then the phone stops. So my wife's here in 492 00:22:07,400 --> 00:22:09,399 Speaker 1: the studio and I told her, I said, hey, we 493 00:22:09,440 --> 00:22:11,320 Speaker 1: get to Labor Day weekend. I don't get a call. 494 00:22:11,440 --> 00:22:13,679 Speaker 1: I'm just gonna shut it down. I know, cause we 495 00:22:13,800 --> 00:22:15,760 Speaker 1: all see that that guy come in and out the 496 00:22:15,760 --> 00:22:18,400 Speaker 1: locker room. Hey, I'm hoping I get on and it's 497 00:22:18,400 --> 00:22:23,160 Speaker 1: like October November. You're like, bro, So I'm just keeping 498 00:22:23,160 --> 00:22:27,920 Speaker 1: on when I I don't want to be. I don't 499 00:22:27,960 --> 00:22:30,280 Speaker 1: want to be that guy. So I shut it down. 500 00:22:30,440 --> 00:22:33,399 Speaker 1: And then sure enough, we're out Christmas tree shopping. I 501 00:22:33,480 --> 00:22:36,240 Speaker 1: get a phone call and at the time, you know, 502 00:22:36,320 --> 00:22:39,520 Speaker 1: Coach Belichick's the GM. So I answered the phone from 503 00:22:39,520 --> 00:22:42,000 Speaker 1: an unknown number of Massachusetts and I'm like, yo, who's 504 00:22:42,040 --> 00:22:44,200 Speaker 1: this And he's like Steven. 505 00:22:44,160 --> 00:22:47,160 Speaker 3: And I was like that's my voice. Everybody know that voice. 506 00:22:47,240 --> 00:22:51,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm like yeah. He was like this coach, what's 507 00:22:51,520 --> 00:22:54,560 Speaker 1: the name? Just went down and uh, we need to 508 00:22:54,680 --> 00:22:57,679 Speaker 1: we need a running back, I said, Coach. I stopped 509 00:22:57,680 --> 00:23:01,679 Speaker 1: working on in September. I'll be a shell of my 510 00:23:01,720 --> 00:23:05,040 Speaker 1: stuff if I took this opportunity. So he said some 511 00:23:05,080 --> 00:23:07,360 Speaker 1: words and sold me. He was a pretty good salesman. 512 00:23:07,960 --> 00:23:10,639 Speaker 1: He was like hey, and I will never forget. He 513 00:23:10,760 --> 00:23:12,560 Speaker 1: was almost like an Oul Bundy. He's like, you don't 514 00:23:12,560 --> 00:23:16,520 Speaker 1: want to be that guy? On the couch in your 515 00:23:16,560 --> 00:23:19,639 Speaker 1: forties and fifties, saying, why did I not, you know, 516 00:23:19,760 --> 00:23:21,400 Speaker 1: take that opportunity because I could have got a super 517 00:23:21,440 --> 00:23:24,120 Speaker 1: Bowl out of it. I was like, man, coach booked 518 00:23:24,119 --> 00:23:26,440 Speaker 1: a fight. 519 00:23:26,760 --> 00:23:31,240 Speaker 4: Hit you with the oul Bundy to be that sees 520 00:23:31,280 --> 00:23:33,840 Speaker 4: my wife, You're not you just feel a glare right, 521 00:23:33,880 --> 00:23:37,399 Speaker 4: you can just feel a good babe. 522 00:23:38,040 --> 00:23:41,520 Speaker 1: I just committed to New England. I don't think we 523 00:23:41,520 --> 00:23:45,840 Speaker 1: need to get the tree right I don't think we 524 00:23:45,880 --> 00:23:48,120 Speaker 1: need to get the tree right now. She was so 525 00:23:48,160 --> 00:23:51,600 Speaker 1: mad at me. Get on the flight, go to New England. 526 00:23:51,680 --> 00:23:54,359 Speaker 1: Things are working out and this is when Lugarrett Blunt 527 00:23:54,359 --> 00:23:58,159 Speaker 1: went down. Sorry, So when I get there, I was 528 00:23:58,160 --> 00:24:00,159 Speaker 1: telling myself this whole time. I said, hey, you got 529 00:24:00,160 --> 00:24:03,239 Speaker 1: there calling in the summer. It didn't work out for you, 530 00:24:03,680 --> 00:24:06,879 Speaker 1: So this might be your last run. Definitely try to 531 00:24:06,880 --> 00:24:09,280 Speaker 1: win the super Bowl, but if you don't do anything else. 532 00:24:09,760 --> 00:24:13,719 Speaker 1: I just try to remember everything. I remember Wednesday practice. 533 00:24:13,880 --> 00:24:15,520 Speaker 1: You're like, I was just taking it all in and 534 00:24:15,960 --> 00:24:18,760 Speaker 1: it was almost over the movies. I can see the 535 00:24:18,760 --> 00:24:23,320 Speaker 1: title coming on, right, I can see it. So those 536 00:24:23,359 --> 00:24:25,680 Speaker 1: things of preparation like that was starting to kind of 537 00:24:25,720 --> 00:24:28,400 Speaker 1: brace me for the moment. Get fast forward to the game. 538 00:24:28,760 --> 00:24:31,040 Speaker 1: I scored the first touchdown on the SC Championship game, 539 00:24:31,560 --> 00:24:34,000 Speaker 1: So in my head, I said, Oh, it's happening. Oh, 540 00:24:34,080 --> 00:24:35,639 Speaker 1: we're gonna win this game. We're going to go to 541 00:24:35,680 --> 00:24:39,840 Speaker 1: the Championship, were going to Super Bowl. Then Peyton Man 542 00:24:39,840 --> 00:24:41,760 Speaker 1: and does Peyton Man and things, and you know that 543 00:24:41,880 --> 00:24:44,479 Speaker 1: defense they had at the time they beat us. They 544 00:24:44,480 --> 00:24:47,119 Speaker 1: got the best of us that day. And it was 545 00:24:47,119 --> 00:24:49,160 Speaker 1: one of those things where like when I walked off 546 00:24:49,160 --> 00:24:53,040 Speaker 1: the field, I just said thank you. I just said 547 00:24:53,080 --> 00:24:54,919 Speaker 1: thank you, because prior to that, I hadn't had a 548 00:24:55,000 --> 00:24:56,879 Speaker 1: chance to say thank you. I didn't know it was Indy, 549 00:24:57,040 --> 00:25:00,000 Speaker 1: I didn't know it was over. And at that point 550 00:24:59,840 --> 00:25:02,600 Speaker 1: I told myself and like, I put my family through enough. 551 00:25:03,080 --> 00:25:05,800 Speaker 1: Anytime I turn on the tape, anybody look at the field. 552 00:25:06,119 --> 00:25:08,159 Speaker 1: I don't think they ever said took the playoffs. I 553 00:25:08,240 --> 00:25:08,640 Speaker 1: love that. 554 00:25:09,160 --> 00:25:12,760 Speaker 2: I'm so glad you shared that perspective because we're thinking, like, oh, man. 555 00:25:12,640 --> 00:25:13,560 Speaker 3: It was your one chance. 556 00:25:14,040 --> 00:25:16,560 Speaker 2: How disappointing were You're like, nah, bro, I was literally 557 00:25:16,600 --> 00:25:20,920 Speaker 2: just thankful every every Wednesday, every Thursday I had because 558 00:25:20,920 --> 00:25:22,640 Speaker 2: you knew you were there. 559 00:25:22,800 --> 00:25:23,720 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's awesome. 560 00:25:23,760 --> 00:25:25,640 Speaker 1: Now if I didn't get that opportunity, I think i'd 561 00:25:25,640 --> 00:25:28,600 Speaker 1: probably be like some other some of our other peers, right, 562 00:25:28,640 --> 00:25:31,520 Speaker 1: just angry, Yeah, just angry. And I just think I 563 00:25:31,560 --> 00:25:33,360 Speaker 1: thank God that I got that moment to just say 564 00:25:33,640 --> 00:25:35,000 Speaker 1: at peace with everything. 565 00:25:35,160 --> 00:25:38,480 Speaker 2: Well, I think it's it's a blessing that you got 566 00:25:38,480 --> 00:25:41,240 Speaker 2: a chance to retire and do it on your terms. 567 00:25:41,760 --> 00:25:43,320 Speaker 2: We talked to a couple of guys and it was like, well, 568 00:25:43,359 --> 00:25:45,399 Speaker 2: I didn't retire football retired me. 569 00:25:45,760 --> 00:25:46,879 Speaker 3: I still would have kept playing. 570 00:25:47,040 --> 00:25:49,760 Speaker 2: And it sounds like you were at peace and you 571 00:25:49,800 --> 00:25:52,080 Speaker 2: walked away when you wanted to walk away. 572 00:25:52,480 --> 00:25:55,119 Speaker 3: I think that's the cool thing. That's that's Can I 573 00:25:55,160 --> 00:25:56,520 Speaker 3: ask you a question, yes, sir. 574 00:25:56,600 --> 00:25:59,879 Speaker 1: When you lost the one year play the what did 575 00:25:59,920 --> 00:26:01,360 Speaker 1: you lose one? Yeah? 576 00:26:01,720 --> 00:26:04,840 Speaker 2: We lost in fifteen lot fifteen, Yeah, the same different team. 577 00:26:05,280 --> 00:26:08,200 Speaker 1: How did that feel? Right? So that was losing one 578 00:26:08,240 --> 00:26:10,240 Speaker 1: game before losing in the super Bowl. 579 00:26:10,520 --> 00:26:13,160 Speaker 2: Oh, definitely in the Super Bowl, I've lost. So I've 580 00:26:13,160 --> 00:26:16,840 Speaker 2: lost an NFC championship once and I've lost two Super Bowls, 581 00:26:16,880 --> 00:26:21,440 Speaker 2: and I think they both are pretty painful. I still 582 00:26:21,480 --> 00:26:25,000 Speaker 2: have PTSD because I have yet to watch Super Bowl whatever, 583 00:26:25,280 --> 00:26:26,120 Speaker 2: the one in Chicago. 584 00:26:26,119 --> 00:26:27,280 Speaker 3: I forget that one, the one. 585 00:26:29,119 --> 00:26:30,680 Speaker 2: I still have yet to watch that game all the 586 00:26:30,680 --> 00:26:33,520 Speaker 2: way through, and I have yet to watch Super Bowl fifty. 587 00:26:34,200 --> 00:26:35,479 Speaker 3: Like, I don't know. 588 00:26:35,640 --> 00:26:38,600 Speaker 2: I like coming here and I like doing shows and 589 00:26:38,680 --> 00:26:41,359 Speaker 2: things for Super Bowl and everybody, But at the same time, it's. 590 00:26:41,280 --> 00:26:43,360 Speaker 1: Like, damn, oh, that's right, we would have played each other. 591 00:26:44,200 --> 00:26:48,879 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, so shout out to room. He's always throwing 592 00:26:48,920 --> 00:26:54,160 Speaker 2: shade my way because he got his Super Bowl Where's Yeah, 593 00:26:54,400 --> 00:26:56,560 Speaker 2: but no, it's it's hard to get over though, for sure, 594 00:26:56,600 --> 00:26:58,960 Speaker 2: because you know, like that was my that was my 595 00:26:59,040 --> 00:27:01,960 Speaker 2: one shot, or this is my opportunity. And I remember 596 00:27:02,560 --> 00:27:05,560 Speaker 2: Brian Urlacker in the huddle as they're doing their victory. 597 00:27:05,720 --> 00:27:09,520 Speaker 2: He goes, hey, we'll be back, don't worry, and he 598 00:27:09,680 --> 00:27:11,560 Speaker 2: never went back. I was the only one on that 599 00:27:11,600 --> 00:27:14,520 Speaker 2: defense to ever go back to to a Super Bowl. 600 00:27:14,520 --> 00:27:15,600 Speaker 3: I was the only one. 601 00:27:16,000 --> 00:27:19,119 Speaker 1: Got to share something with you my rookie year, Saint Louis. 602 00:27:19,240 --> 00:27:23,360 Speaker 1: We go to the playoffs, right b Seattle three times, 603 00:27:23,600 --> 00:27:25,919 Speaker 1: get out the wild card round, go to Division on 604 00:27:26,040 --> 00:27:29,679 Speaker 1: lowis to Atlanta, and same similar speeches, gaven, we'd be 605 00:27:29,760 --> 00:27:31,880 Speaker 1: back next year. I didn't go back to the playoffs 606 00:27:31,920 --> 00:27:35,639 Speaker 1: until my twelfth season. Yeah, I had eleven year drought. 607 00:27:36,160 --> 00:27:39,600 Speaker 2: It's bananas to me that because you always think we'll 608 00:27:39,640 --> 00:27:43,120 Speaker 2: just get back, yeah, and it like, but you never 609 00:27:43,160 --> 00:27:45,840 Speaker 2: get to carry over this year's success is the next year, 610 00:27:46,160 --> 00:27:50,600 Speaker 2: and every team's different. It's so weird, Like we went 611 00:27:50,640 --> 00:27:53,800 Speaker 2: to the NFC Championship game my rookie year when I 612 00:27:53,840 --> 00:27:56,199 Speaker 2: was in New Orleans two years off, didn't won a 613 00:27:56,240 --> 00:27:59,199 Speaker 2: Super Bowl, then went on this stretcher like I went 614 00:27:59,240 --> 00:28:00,880 Speaker 2: to the playoff every year in my career, be side 615 00:28:01,040 --> 00:28:01,440 Speaker 2: like two. 616 00:28:02,320 --> 00:28:02,800 Speaker 1: Just weird. 617 00:28:03,160 --> 00:28:04,359 Speaker 2: And then all of a sudden, I went to a 618 00:28:04,359 --> 00:28:07,960 Speaker 2: couple of Super Bowls. Losing it stinks and I'd almost 619 00:28:08,080 --> 00:28:12,400 Speaker 2: rather like not go. Honestly, I think you did yourself 620 00:28:12,400 --> 00:28:15,240 Speaker 2: a favor. I'd rather it's the whole thing, Like you'd 621 00:28:15,320 --> 00:28:18,320 Speaker 2: rather have loved and lost or never loved it all. 622 00:28:18,400 --> 00:28:19,520 Speaker 3: I think it's never loved it all. 623 00:28:20,200 --> 00:28:23,160 Speaker 2: I truly, truly believe that I would much rather never 624 00:28:23,240 --> 00:28:25,720 Speaker 2: go than actually having to sit there and lose the 625 00:28:25,800 --> 00:28:28,680 Speaker 2: Super Bowl, because you know what, that owner they still 626 00:28:28,720 --> 00:28:31,439 Speaker 2: playing that Super Bowl party and people still show up. 627 00:28:31,440 --> 00:28:33,280 Speaker 2: We got to pretend like it's still a good time, 628 00:28:33,760 --> 00:28:38,440 Speaker 2: and ain't nobody happy smiling? 629 00:28:38,640 --> 00:28:41,240 Speaker 3: Super is the worst absolutely worst. And I've been on 630 00:28:41,280 --> 00:28:41,920 Speaker 3: the other side. 631 00:28:42,400 --> 00:28:45,200 Speaker 2: We're like the super Bowl party jumping and I gotta 632 00:28:45,280 --> 00:28:47,080 Speaker 2: leave because Miami clubs still calling me. 633 00:28:47,080 --> 00:28:49,160 Speaker 3: And it's two am. I got stuck up, you know, 634 00:28:49,360 --> 00:28:50,240 Speaker 3: like like. 635 00:28:50,280 --> 00:28:53,280 Speaker 2: It's still going, you know, so like it's two totally 636 00:28:53,360 --> 00:28:55,840 Speaker 2: different sides of it. And for me, honestly, Steven, I 637 00:28:55,880 --> 00:29:00,760 Speaker 2: would say, you, it's better off that, you know, you 638 00:29:00,800 --> 00:29:02,600 Speaker 2: didn't lose the super Bowl and you lost it in 639 00:29:02,640 --> 00:29:04,400 Speaker 2: the championship game. I appreciate that. 640 00:29:04,560 --> 00:29:06,920 Speaker 3: Let's flip it real quick again. 641 00:29:07,200 --> 00:29:09,680 Speaker 2: We were in Arizona and we were at the NFL 642 00:29:09,760 --> 00:29:13,480 Speaker 2: Legends Lounge and I don't know any barbers or anybody 643 00:29:13,560 --> 00:29:16,360 Speaker 2: like that in a z So we're at the Legends 644 00:29:16,400 --> 00:29:19,800 Speaker 2: Lounge and I got to cut talking to these cats 645 00:29:20,480 --> 00:29:22,640 Speaker 2: talking to the barbers, and they had they had the school, 646 00:29:23,600 --> 00:29:25,440 Speaker 2: learned a little bit about them. Thought it was great. 647 00:29:25,480 --> 00:29:27,120 Speaker 2: They went on and chopped me up real quick. 648 00:29:27,600 --> 00:29:27,880 Speaker 1: Great. 649 00:29:28,880 --> 00:29:32,040 Speaker 2: Last year super Bowl was in Vegas and I see 650 00:29:32,040 --> 00:29:36,120 Speaker 2: the same barbers out in Vegas and I thought. 651 00:29:35,880 --> 00:29:36,320 Speaker 3: It was great. 652 00:29:36,360 --> 00:29:37,840 Speaker 2: I was like, oh, okay, there was one dude. He 653 00:29:37,880 --> 00:29:40,480 Speaker 2: was a a I don't say that. I forget his name, 654 00:29:40,520 --> 00:29:43,760 Speaker 2: but he's a fan of the Green team. Oh the packer. 655 00:29:43,880 --> 00:29:47,520 Speaker 2: Yeah you know what I'm talking about. Yeah, the Green team. 656 00:29:48,040 --> 00:29:50,640 Speaker 2: And he was just chopping it up about this Green team, 657 00:29:50,720 --> 00:29:53,520 Speaker 2: this and this Green team that I didn't really care. 658 00:29:54,320 --> 00:29:57,320 Speaker 2: So fast forward, I'm in Vegas again. I do something 659 00:29:57,320 --> 00:30:00,400 Speaker 2: with the Raiders. So I call up a April. 660 00:30:00,520 --> 00:30:02,680 Speaker 3: I was like, I need the barber. Well, you know 661 00:30:02,880 --> 00:30:03,880 Speaker 3: that's Steven's school. 662 00:30:03,920 --> 00:30:06,440 Speaker 2: I was like, wait what, yeah, loss barbers. He's got 663 00:30:06,480 --> 00:30:09,120 Speaker 2: a he's got a college. He's he's got a barber school. 664 00:30:09,760 --> 00:30:11,720 Speaker 2: So I went on and I called you up, and 665 00:30:12,000 --> 00:30:12,640 Speaker 2: you can't folk. 666 00:30:12,720 --> 00:30:13,160 Speaker 3: He went on. 667 00:30:13,280 --> 00:30:14,560 Speaker 1: I went over to carrier. 668 00:30:14,680 --> 00:30:16,680 Speaker 3: Yeah, I went over to the shop. He went on 669 00:30:16,720 --> 00:30:18,280 Speaker 3: and shopped me up, had a great convo. 670 00:30:18,960 --> 00:30:22,720 Speaker 2: My question is what made you want to get into 671 00:30:23,080 --> 00:30:24,960 Speaker 2: opening your own barber school. 672 00:30:26,080 --> 00:30:28,400 Speaker 1: So in high school I went to a vocational high school, Okay, 673 00:30:28,480 --> 00:30:30,680 Speaker 1: and during that time I learned drafting and I wanted 674 00:30:30,720 --> 00:30:33,960 Speaker 1: to be an architect, like that was my long term goal. Yeah, yeah, big. 675 00:30:34,560 --> 00:30:37,280 Speaker 1: And seeing some of my peers go on to study 676 00:30:37,320 --> 00:30:42,120 Speaker 1: other things, right, electricians, some with cosmetology, other was like newscaster. 677 00:30:42,360 --> 00:30:44,320 Speaker 1: I would watch all my high school peers go on 678 00:30:44,360 --> 00:30:46,360 Speaker 1: to have successful careers and still some of them are 679 00:30:46,360 --> 00:30:49,240 Speaker 1: still doing it to this day. Fast forward, here we 680 00:30:49,280 --> 00:30:53,200 Speaker 1: are in twenty twenty. All right, careers over. I've experienced 681 00:30:53,200 --> 00:30:55,400 Speaker 1: a dream life dream of mine, and I know what 682 00:30:55,440 --> 00:30:58,480 Speaker 1: the other side feels like to achieve something. So me 683 00:30:58,560 --> 00:31:01,200 Speaker 1: and Carl, my best friend in my hare since high school, 684 00:31:01,440 --> 00:31:03,440 Speaker 1: we're talking and, like all of us go through a screen. 685 00:31:03,680 --> 00:31:06,360 Speaker 1: I said, Hey, if the world was to stop now 686 00:31:06,560 --> 00:31:09,960 Speaker 1: or open back up, what do you wish you had, had, 687 00:31:09,960 --> 00:31:13,000 Speaker 1: have done or we'll have when it opens back up? 688 00:31:13,040 --> 00:31:16,120 Speaker 1: He said, a school two thousand and four. I've always 689 00:31:16,120 --> 00:31:19,040 Speaker 1: had that foundation based around children literacy, so I'm always 690 00:31:19,040 --> 00:31:21,080 Speaker 1: big in education and I always wanted a school on 691 00:31:21,080 --> 00:31:23,440 Speaker 1: my own. I just didn't know what kind of school, right. 692 00:31:24,080 --> 00:31:25,920 Speaker 1: So he and I were talking about our plans and 693 00:31:25,960 --> 00:31:27,720 Speaker 1: wishes in life, and he was like, I want to school. 694 00:31:27,760 --> 00:31:29,680 Speaker 1: I'm like, WHOA, Like, I've never shared this with my 695 00:31:29,720 --> 00:31:31,600 Speaker 1: friend that I wanted my own school. I'm like, what 696 00:31:31,680 --> 00:31:33,840 Speaker 1: kind of school you have in mind? So he had 697 00:31:33,360 --> 00:31:36,440 Speaker 1: the genius idea of the Barber School. I'm like, wait, 698 00:31:36,800 --> 00:31:38,680 Speaker 1: that makes so much sense. It goes back to my 699 00:31:38,720 --> 00:31:42,280 Speaker 1: trade school in high school, and the realization is you 700 00:31:42,320 --> 00:31:45,400 Speaker 1: can help young people achieve their life goal. It doesn't 701 00:31:45,440 --> 00:31:48,680 Speaker 1: have to be anything you know that we've achieved. Like 702 00:31:48,680 --> 00:31:50,280 Speaker 1: I always tell the students when I talk to now, 703 00:31:50,640 --> 00:31:53,240 Speaker 1: achievement and dedication to something is what you want to 704 00:31:53,320 --> 00:31:55,360 Speaker 1: fulfills your life and help you provide for yourself and 705 00:31:55,400 --> 00:31:59,120 Speaker 1: your family. So in that we opened the barber school. 706 00:31:59,560 --> 00:32:03,120 Speaker 1: Now what's funny is any story always has is lumps. 707 00:32:04,480 --> 00:32:08,920 Speaker 1: The month I bought the building, governments shut down the world. 708 00:32:09,720 --> 00:32:11,680 Speaker 1: So I just buy a brand new commercial building and 709 00:32:11,720 --> 00:32:15,360 Speaker 1: I can't use it for eleven months. So now questioning 710 00:32:15,840 --> 00:32:19,080 Speaker 1: did I make the wrong decision? Yeah, pulling my hair out, 711 00:32:20,320 --> 00:32:22,000 Speaker 1: stuck with it. We just gave us time to work 712 00:32:22,000 --> 00:32:24,560 Speaker 1: on the curriculum, start working on the build out, getting 713 00:32:24,600 --> 00:32:26,200 Speaker 1: things done. At least we could work on the construction 714 00:32:26,280 --> 00:32:28,720 Speaker 1: part of things. Then once we got to the point 715 00:32:28,720 --> 00:32:31,240 Speaker 1: where the world opened back up, our first class is 716 00:32:31,280 --> 00:32:34,760 Speaker 1: only five people. So now I'm stressed, Right, did I 717 00:32:34,880 --> 00:32:38,200 Speaker 1: make the right investment? And is this thing going to 718 00:32:38,280 --> 00:32:41,760 Speaker 1: work out? Second month that turned into fifteen students. After 719 00:32:41,800 --> 00:32:45,120 Speaker 1: that we were completely occupied. Forty forty students. Right, that's 720 00:32:45,120 --> 00:32:49,120 Speaker 1: where we're license to carrying given our size. Now we're 721 00:32:49,120 --> 00:32:51,520 Speaker 1: to the point We've been so blessed that we have 722 00:32:51,560 --> 00:32:54,880 Speaker 1: a five month waiting list just to be a new student, 723 00:32:55,600 --> 00:32:58,600 Speaker 1: and every month we take new recruits in that show 724 00:32:58,640 --> 00:33:01,160 Speaker 1: them that we have interest in this. Just this January, 725 00:33:01,360 --> 00:33:03,920 Speaker 1: last week we had fifty new arrollies. Let's say they 726 00:33:03,960 --> 00:33:05,920 Speaker 1: have interest to come to the school. So I say 727 00:33:06,000 --> 00:33:08,320 Speaker 1: that to say is it was two friends saying what 728 00:33:08,440 --> 00:33:10,280 Speaker 1: we wanted out of life, if it was all over, 729 00:33:10,320 --> 00:33:12,760 Speaker 1: what we hope to achieve, and we put our two 730 00:33:12,800 --> 00:33:14,600 Speaker 1: minds and talents together and that's how it happened. 731 00:33:15,200 --> 00:33:15,920 Speaker 3: And that's awesome. 732 00:33:16,720 --> 00:33:20,760 Speaker 2: My barber and Charlotte he started at barber school like 733 00:33:20,800 --> 00:33:24,480 Speaker 2: two years ago and he's owned shops before. But now 734 00:33:24,520 --> 00:33:27,640 Speaker 2: it kind of feeds itself now because the school is 735 00:33:27,680 --> 00:33:29,600 Speaker 2: able to like when you get guys to graduate or 736 00:33:29,640 --> 00:33:31,480 Speaker 2: young ladies to graduate, they can just go right over 737 00:33:31,520 --> 00:33:34,040 Speaker 2: to the barbershops school and it's awesome. And he talks 738 00:33:34,040 --> 00:33:36,480 Speaker 2: about everything that you're saying. It's like, dude, this ain't 739 00:33:36,520 --> 00:33:38,760 Speaker 2: about me. It's about me being able to let these 740 00:33:38,800 --> 00:33:41,680 Speaker 2: other young people find a skill, to be able to 741 00:33:41,680 --> 00:33:43,680 Speaker 2: provide and do for their own families and set their 742 00:33:43,680 --> 00:33:46,080 Speaker 2: own kind of schedule and be their own professionalism. 743 00:33:46,320 --> 00:33:47,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's not even just young people too. As 744 00:33:47,960 --> 00:33:49,880 Speaker 1: you said, you know, we have some people that have 745 00:33:49,920 --> 00:33:52,400 Speaker 1: second and third career choices. Someone transitioned to one of 746 00:33:52,400 --> 00:33:55,000 Speaker 1: our oldest students that were in their forties and she 747 00:33:55,200 --> 00:33:57,280 Speaker 1: was someone that she was in the office and she 748 00:33:57,360 --> 00:34:00,080 Speaker 1: just wanted to get out the office. Right, Yeah, you 749 00:34:00,120 --> 00:34:01,600 Speaker 1: had a skill set. She was go over her hands, 750 00:34:01,640 --> 00:34:03,600 Speaker 1: she did hair on the side, and she was like, Hey, 751 00:34:03,680 --> 00:34:05,400 Speaker 1: I just want to get my license in this opportunity 752 00:34:05,400 --> 00:34:07,600 Speaker 1: because I just tied of being behind a cubicle. So 753 00:34:07,640 --> 00:34:09,480 Speaker 1: we have transitions as people looking for a second and 754 00:34:09,520 --> 00:34:11,960 Speaker 1: third careers. And then we also I always tell young 755 00:34:12,000 --> 00:34:14,240 Speaker 1: people you could go anywhere and be a barber nowhere 756 00:34:14,280 --> 00:34:15,920 Speaker 1: you go in the world. It's one of the oldest 757 00:34:15,920 --> 00:34:20,040 Speaker 1: licensed professions. So it's one of those things that continues 758 00:34:20,200 --> 00:34:23,320 Speaker 1: to give back to the community. Haircuts for students or 759 00:34:23,400 --> 00:34:26,160 Speaker 1: file dollars and for adults with twelve dollars. So it 760 00:34:26,239 --> 00:34:28,480 Speaker 1: helps the family too that needs to help to have 761 00:34:28,520 --> 00:34:35,040 Speaker 1: a budget. We will be right back, all. 762 00:34:35,000 --> 00:34:37,360 Speaker 2: Right, tell me about the legends show that the NFL 763 00:34:37,440 --> 00:34:38,480 Speaker 2: legends that you do. 764 00:34:39,040 --> 00:34:41,000 Speaker 1: So legends is my thing that I do on my 765 00:34:41,120 --> 00:34:44,560 Speaker 1: social platforms. It's just to teach the younger generation or 766 00:34:44,600 --> 00:34:48,319 Speaker 1: football hits about guys that may have forgotten about. Right. 767 00:34:48,480 --> 00:34:51,160 Speaker 1: So this last this last two weeks ago, I just 768 00:34:51,160 --> 00:34:53,960 Speaker 1: didn't want to see me there. I've done other ones, 769 00:34:54,120 --> 00:34:56,880 Speaker 1: you know, on guys it's just the forgotten, the forgotten 770 00:34:56,960 --> 00:34:59,800 Speaker 1: legends that if you heard their name the name recognition, 771 00:35:00,040 --> 00:35:02,799 Speaker 1: you're like, oh yeah, I remember Sterlish shark, right, so 772 00:35:02,880 --> 00:35:05,160 Speaker 1: you throwed out these names. But the younger generation and 773 00:35:05,280 --> 00:35:07,880 Speaker 1: people that don't always hear the name again, they forget 774 00:35:07,920 --> 00:35:10,080 Speaker 1: how great a career that person had. And I think 775 00:35:10,160 --> 00:35:12,120 Speaker 1: so much in our industry, we're like, it's he a 776 00:35:12,160 --> 00:35:13,920 Speaker 1: Hall of Famer, and then if he's not a Hall 777 00:35:13,960 --> 00:35:15,960 Speaker 1: of Famer, it's like they just scard us. It's just like, 778 00:35:16,000 --> 00:35:18,080 Speaker 1: well the guy had a damn good run, like it 779 00:35:18,239 --> 00:35:21,320 Speaker 1: was really good. So it's me just re educating the 780 00:35:21,360 --> 00:35:23,680 Speaker 1: football world about some of the guys in their careers 781 00:35:23,680 --> 00:35:26,719 Speaker 1: and also giving their flowers if they're still here on earth. 782 00:35:26,880 --> 00:35:31,799 Speaker 3: I love that they forget about you. Oh I mean, 783 00:35:33,000 --> 00:35:34,240 Speaker 3: be a good one. Two episodes. 784 00:35:34,239 --> 00:35:34,800 Speaker 1: I'm looking at it. 785 00:35:36,080 --> 00:35:38,680 Speaker 2: I appreciate that my son needed because my son is 786 00:35:38,719 --> 00:35:41,120 Speaker 2: like Dad, like you're slow, bro, Like my son. 787 00:35:41,600 --> 00:35:42,319 Speaker 3: He's one of them. 788 00:35:42,360 --> 00:35:46,640 Speaker 2: He's like the young generation generation that's like, no, so disrespectful, 789 00:35:47,760 --> 00:35:51,439 Speaker 2: so disrespect They only watched film themselves, that's it. 790 00:35:51,600 --> 00:35:54,080 Speaker 3: And somebody else playing Madden or one of the other games. 791 00:35:54,120 --> 00:35:54,720 Speaker 1: And that's crazy. 792 00:35:54,719 --> 00:35:59,200 Speaker 2: They watch each other, which is mind blowing to me 793 00:36:00,160 --> 00:36:01,839 Speaker 2: watch other people play the game because we were waiting 794 00:36:01,840 --> 00:36:04,879 Speaker 2: to play, right, They watch it just because they like watching. 795 00:36:05,840 --> 00:36:08,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, and be on FaceTime without looking at the TV 796 00:36:08,840 --> 00:36:09,280 Speaker 1: or the phone. 797 00:36:10,239 --> 00:36:16,239 Speaker 3: Yes, yes, yes, it's like, why ain't you talking? I'm 798 00:36:16,280 --> 00:36:17,279 Speaker 3: just playing a game, like. 799 00:36:17,280 --> 00:36:21,799 Speaker 2: But you Yeah, all right, I ain't got that one yet. Yeah, 800 00:36:22,880 --> 00:36:25,440 Speaker 2: it is coming, trust me. You got a clothing the 801 00:36:25,480 --> 00:36:28,279 Speaker 2: brand called OBS. Talk to me about that. 802 00:36:28,640 --> 00:36:31,400 Speaker 1: The clothing line is like a marketing and an extension 803 00:36:31,400 --> 00:36:34,839 Speaker 1: of the barber school. But it came about from just 804 00:36:34,840 --> 00:36:37,800 Speaker 1: want to be motivational. I believe a lot of things 805 00:36:38,040 --> 00:36:39,960 Speaker 1: are there's a lot of negativity in the world. So 806 00:36:40,000 --> 00:36:42,000 Speaker 1: if you can have subtle motivational things and put you 807 00:36:42,000 --> 00:36:44,120 Speaker 1: in a positive light, I believe in trying to adding 808 00:36:44,239 --> 00:36:47,359 Speaker 1: add to that portion. So OBS stands for overcoming both 809 00:36:47,840 --> 00:36:50,680 Speaker 1: mm so in that you know, we all go through 810 00:36:50,719 --> 00:36:54,640 Speaker 1: something either gender, you know, socioeconomics, whatever. We all have 811 00:36:54,840 --> 00:36:56,920 Speaker 1: something to go through and get over, and a lot 812 00:36:56,960 --> 00:36:59,720 Speaker 1: of times people want to have to always me story, 813 00:37:00,239 --> 00:37:03,400 Speaker 1: but that's no story is just going to be a 814 00:37:03,440 --> 00:37:06,759 Speaker 1: straight line. You have to overcome something and be appreciative 815 00:37:06,800 --> 00:37:08,799 Speaker 1: of the way you're trying to go. So for us, 816 00:37:08,840 --> 00:37:11,760 Speaker 1: you know, overcoming the bullsh life is just a monster. 817 00:37:12,000 --> 00:37:13,120 Speaker 1: Reminding yourself, keep going. 818 00:37:13,800 --> 00:37:15,440 Speaker 3: Love that they got sweatshirts. 819 00:37:16,960 --> 00:37:20,200 Speaker 2: Where can we get the brand at obs brand dot com. 820 00:37:20,320 --> 00:37:24,040 Speaker 2: Obs brand dot com. Peanut's way better about supporting than 821 00:37:24,080 --> 00:37:26,279 Speaker 2: I do, because like I say something, then I forget it. 822 00:37:26,320 --> 00:37:27,799 Speaker 2: Peanut like he'll go buy right now. 823 00:37:28,000 --> 00:37:28,800 Speaker 1: I want to reach out to you. 824 00:37:29,040 --> 00:37:33,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's perfect with that stuff, like supporting the locals. 825 00:37:35,080 --> 00:37:36,800 Speaker 2: We got to help each other out. I wouldn't be 826 00:37:36,800 --> 00:37:38,560 Speaker 2: where I am because people help me out. So I'm 827 00:37:38,600 --> 00:37:41,600 Speaker 2: just you know, plant that seed and I. 828 00:37:41,640 --> 00:37:42,759 Speaker 1: Love your dog. Keep it going. 829 00:37:43,160 --> 00:37:46,759 Speaker 2: Here's another question. Peanut usually does this more eloquently than 830 00:37:46,800 --> 00:37:50,960 Speaker 2: I do. But we've all had you know, these people 831 00:37:50,960 --> 00:37:54,279 Speaker 2: in our lives, influential people, things that matter to you 832 00:37:54,960 --> 00:37:58,880 Speaker 2: and who is on your personal mount rushmore of influence 833 00:37:59,320 --> 00:38:00,880 Speaker 2: and Steven Jacks since life. 834 00:38:03,520 --> 00:38:05,799 Speaker 1: A mentor of mind to my mom and Dad found him. 835 00:38:05,840 --> 00:38:11,040 Speaker 1: Actually his name is Anthony Gowins. He's he's in the 836 00:38:11,080 --> 00:38:15,080 Speaker 1: financial world. He works for five serf now, but Wall 837 00:38:15,120 --> 00:38:17,680 Speaker 1: Street guy. When I was going to the NFL in 838 00:38:17,719 --> 00:38:20,879 Speaker 1: two thousand and four, was introduced to him in a church. 839 00:38:21,080 --> 00:38:24,840 Speaker 1: He was through the church relationship. But we've become really close, 840 00:38:24,920 --> 00:38:27,799 Speaker 1: so close that I gave a commissment speech this year 841 00:38:28,440 --> 00:38:32,520 Speaker 1: and he was actually the source and the inspiration of 842 00:38:32,560 --> 00:38:35,600 Speaker 1: the speech. And the speech talks about we hip Malcolm 843 00:38:35,600 --> 00:38:38,640 Speaker 1: Manjar with Chris Long and the water Boys group. And 844 00:38:38,719 --> 00:38:41,560 Speaker 1: in that hike you invite a veteran and Anthony is 845 00:38:41,560 --> 00:38:45,000 Speaker 1: a veteran. And in that hike, when we get to 846 00:38:45,080 --> 00:38:48,319 Speaker 1: the top, you know, it's five days on the mountain, right, 847 00:38:48,360 --> 00:38:51,399 Speaker 1: so there's some challenges, but in that hike you go 848 00:38:51,480 --> 00:38:55,120 Speaker 1: through emotional, all kinds of stuff. And to have someone 849 00:38:55,120 --> 00:38:57,480 Speaker 1: that accomplished all the things he's accomplished but not be 850 00:38:57,800 --> 00:39:01,239 Speaker 1: an NFL you know of zeke and talent and he's 851 00:39:01,440 --> 00:39:04,319 Speaker 1: twenty years of my age. For him to finish it 852 00:39:04,360 --> 00:39:06,719 Speaker 1: out and see it through it lets me know that 853 00:39:07,040 --> 00:39:09,239 Speaker 1: he's a guy that just gets We get each other. 854 00:39:09,239 --> 00:39:11,600 Speaker 1: He just gets it. And it's you know, so in 855 00:39:11,680 --> 00:39:14,920 Speaker 1: the speech. It talks about the three takeaways, and a 856 00:39:14,920 --> 00:39:16,880 Speaker 1: lot of it I learned from him, through him and 857 00:39:16,920 --> 00:39:20,960 Speaker 1: with him, is that after each day, have a joyful noise, right, 858 00:39:21,160 --> 00:39:24,239 Speaker 1: be thankful for today the God giving us. I went 859 00:39:24,280 --> 00:39:27,360 Speaker 1: on to go and discuss when you get to the 860 00:39:27,400 --> 00:39:29,759 Speaker 1: heights to where you're going. Right, So in the commissment speech, 861 00:39:29,800 --> 00:39:32,080 Speaker 1: we're talking about young people and this is your moment, 862 00:39:32,160 --> 00:39:34,880 Speaker 1: this is your you know, you've you've come to the 863 00:39:34,920 --> 00:39:38,839 Speaker 1: point and you can't stay there. So, like you know, 864 00:39:39,760 --> 00:39:42,719 Speaker 1: Kim and Jarl, something that large to nineteen thousand feet 865 00:39:42,760 --> 00:39:45,720 Speaker 1: in the air and you get that high, you realize, 866 00:39:45,760 --> 00:39:47,359 Speaker 1: as hard as I work to get here, I can't 867 00:39:47,400 --> 00:39:49,080 Speaker 1: stay here because there's nothing on up here that's going 868 00:39:49,080 --> 00:39:52,080 Speaker 1: to sustain life in the air up here is too thin, Right, 869 00:39:52,560 --> 00:39:54,560 Speaker 1: you can't stay there. You got to be motivated to 870 00:39:54,760 --> 00:39:58,040 Speaker 1: keep going. And although you reach certain heights, you may 871 00:39:58,120 --> 00:40:01,799 Speaker 1: leave people behind to continue on your journey. You got 872 00:40:01,840 --> 00:40:03,560 Speaker 1: to come down from where you are to go to 873 00:40:03,600 --> 00:40:05,240 Speaker 1: where you want to head next. 874 00:40:05,440 --> 00:40:07,359 Speaker 3: Damn, that's life though, it is life. 875 00:40:07,680 --> 00:40:08,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's awesome. 876 00:40:09,160 --> 00:40:11,960 Speaker 3: Okay, So my mount rushmore of people. 877 00:40:12,440 --> 00:40:15,920 Speaker 1: My mentor is definitly there alone with my father and 878 00:40:16,040 --> 00:40:17,880 Speaker 1: there's there are some other people in the world. You 879 00:40:17,920 --> 00:40:21,839 Speaker 1: got two more. I mean, I gotta go easy mom. 880 00:40:22,000 --> 00:40:24,840 Speaker 1: Mom's there, he's more spiritual bone, She's the one that 881 00:40:24,880 --> 00:40:26,279 Speaker 1: helped me get to some of the lean years of 882 00:40:26,320 --> 00:40:28,960 Speaker 1: Saint Louis. I'm not winning? Why am I doing this? 883 00:40:29,160 --> 00:40:31,120 Speaker 1: How do I stay motivated? How do I show up 884 00:40:31,120 --> 00:40:33,239 Speaker 1: when I know somebody else is not showing up? Right? 885 00:40:33,480 --> 00:40:35,440 Speaker 1: We've seen some of those eyes in the huddle, you know, 886 00:40:35,480 --> 00:40:38,080 Speaker 1: when somebody quit on you, absolutely and those could be 887 00:40:38,120 --> 00:40:40,120 Speaker 1: moments that break you. So my mom is one of 888 00:40:40,160 --> 00:40:42,120 Speaker 1: those people that's still that faith in me when it 889 00:40:42,200 --> 00:40:45,360 Speaker 1: seems like there's nothing else to believe in. And then lastly, 890 00:40:47,120 --> 00:40:48,920 Speaker 1: I don't even want to blow smoke up somebody. I 891 00:40:49,600 --> 00:40:53,960 Speaker 1: think that option is left there for family. I think anytime, 892 00:40:54,120 --> 00:40:56,600 Speaker 1: you know, anytime I think about why I'm doing something 893 00:40:56,600 --> 00:40:58,919 Speaker 1: where I'm going, it's always that I could just try 894 00:40:58,960 --> 00:41:02,160 Speaker 1: to later role, to pave the role for the kids 895 00:41:02,200 --> 00:41:04,479 Speaker 1: and for my wife to be a little easier. Yeah, 896 00:41:04,640 --> 00:41:06,719 Speaker 1: you know, I always you know, I don't hope I'm 897 00:41:06,760 --> 00:41:09,600 Speaker 1: not going anywhere anytime soon, but I definitely want to 898 00:41:09,600 --> 00:41:12,000 Speaker 1: make sure that if it ever comes to that demise, 899 00:41:12,520 --> 00:41:14,560 Speaker 1: everybody like Stephen had it, but he was buttoning up. 900 00:41:14,600 --> 00:41:17,280 Speaker 1: He took care of things. Yeah, the truth. 901 00:41:18,239 --> 00:41:20,680 Speaker 3: You off the hot seat, brother, I appreciate you coming over. 902 00:41:22,160 --> 00:41:24,840 Speaker 1: That awesome. I couldn't remember some stuff. 903 00:41:26,000 --> 00:41:27,840 Speaker 2: That's him all the time, that's me all the time. 904 00:41:28,080 --> 00:41:38,640 Speaker 2: We getting older is not everybody, not everybody Plase, y'all, 905 00:41:38,719 --> 00:41:39,200 Speaker 2: y'all know me. 906 00:41:39,280 --> 00:41:42,040 Speaker 3: I had this since like as long as y'all known me. 907 00:41:42,080 --> 00:41:42,640 Speaker 1: I've had this. 908 00:41:42,760 --> 00:41:46,000 Speaker 2: You wear well, brother, You appreciate it, man, Stephen Man, dude, 909 00:41:46,000 --> 00:41:47,760 Speaker 2: I appreciate you man coming in here. 910 00:41:49,400 --> 00:41:51,560 Speaker 1: Sign off. I've been waiting to get on this show. 911 00:41:51,680 --> 00:41:54,120 Speaker 1: I'm a big fan of it because you guys started. 912 00:41:54,320 --> 00:41:56,400 Speaker 1: I love what you guys are doing. I love the message, 913 00:41:56,480 --> 00:41:58,480 Speaker 1: I love the title, and I think you guys are 914 00:41:58,520 --> 00:41:59,920 Speaker 1: the best to carry. 915 00:42:00,520 --> 00:42:01,799 Speaker 3: Thanks man. We appreciate that. 916 00:42:01,880 --> 00:42:03,399 Speaker 1: Man, I receive that and all. 917 00:42:03,440 --> 00:42:06,200 Speaker 2: Honestly, I think Pina and I love this show so much, 918 00:42:06,360 --> 00:42:10,080 Speaker 2: like I've seen so much growth and Peanut personally, because 919 00:42:10,360 --> 00:42:13,680 Speaker 2: when we first retired, just like everybody else, we really 920 00:42:13,719 --> 00:42:15,880 Speaker 2: had no idea what we were doing or what that 921 00:42:16,000 --> 00:42:18,479 Speaker 2: second act was going to be like. And for us, 922 00:42:18,560 --> 00:42:21,640 Speaker 2: I think we have learned and been able to give 923 00:42:21,719 --> 00:42:23,680 Speaker 2: so much love to all of our viewers and all 924 00:42:23,719 --> 00:42:26,760 Speaker 2: of our guests that we have on here, because genuinely, 925 00:42:26,840 --> 00:42:29,560 Speaker 2: you guys are pouring into us by telling us these things, 926 00:42:30,000 --> 00:42:31,879 Speaker 2: and then we get to just pour it right back out, 927 00:42:32,040 --> 00:42:34,040 Speaker 2: not only to you, but to the next guest, but 928 00:42:34,200 --> 00:42:36,600 Speaker 2: to the next person that we have on And it's 929 00:42:36,600 --> 00:42:39,440 Speaker 2: been so fun for us. We've stopped blaming ourselves for 930 00:42:39,480 --> 00:42:42,279 Speaker 2: a lot of mistakes that we've made. It's brought us 931 00:42:42,320 --> 00:42:45,399 Speaker 2: closer as friends. It's allowed us to see a lot 932 00:42:45,400 --> 00:42:47,160 Speaker 2: of different things from a lot of different angles, and 933 00:42:47,200 --> 00:42:50,560 Speaker 2: truly there is no right or wrong in doing it, 934 00:42:50,600 --> 00:42:51,400 Speaker 2: and it doesn't come with. 935 00:42:51,400 --> 00:42:53,919 Speaker 3: A rule book either. They're all just figuring it out. 936 00:42:53,960 --> 00:42:56,759 Speaker 2: And it's always great to hear great stories people that 937 00:42:56,800 --> 00:42:59,640 Speaker 2: are pouring into their families and we genuinely root for 938 00:42:59,680 --> 00:43:02,280 Speaker 2: each other. Man, there's no locker room like a football. 939 00:43:02,680 --> 00:43:04,799 Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree. I'm glad to hear that, because you know, 940 00:43:04,840 --> 00:43:07,000 Speaker 1: for many times, for many years, we've been greater by 941 00:43:07,040 --> 00:43:08,680 Speaker 1: a grade sheet did you do it? Did you not 942 00:43:08,800 --> 00:43:12,080 Speaker 1: do it? And we're so hard on ourselves that I'm 943 00:43:12,120 --> 00:43:14,040 Speaker 1: glad you guys have each other and we have the 944 00:43:14,040 --> 00:43:15,800 Speaker 1: community that we can lean on. Each other and know 945 00:43:15,920 --> 00:43:17,320 Speaker 1: that we're not perfect and that's okay. 946 00:43:17,480 --> 00:43:20,839 Speaker 2: Absolutely, this is my experience is just like what Room said, Man, 947 00:43:20,840 --> 00:43:22,520 Speaker 2: it's this is therapeutic for me. 948 00:43:22,719 --> 00:43:23,280 Speaker 3: I enjoyed. 949 00:43:23,320 --> 00:43:26,880 Speaker 2: I enjoy listening to the stories. I enjoy uh the 950 00:43:26,960 --> 00:43:31,160 Speaker 2: players trusting us and opening up and telling their their story, 951 00:43:31,360 --> 00:43:33,959 Speaker 2: you know, and it's uh, yeah, this is it's been fun. 952 00:43:34,000 --> 00:43:35,560 Speaker 2: I don't know how long this is going on, but 953 00:43:36,120 --> 00:43:38,080 Speaker 2: it's a blast and I'm ready just to tell the 954 00:43:38,120 --> 00:43:40,360 Speaker 2: stories for you know, all of our other peers that 955 00:43:40,400 --> 00:43:43,120 Speaker 2: we have on the show today, tomorrow and in the future. 956 00:43:43,160 --> 00:43:44,879 Speaker 1: As long as they allow y'all to do it, keep 957 00:43:44,920 --> 00:43:46,360 Speaker 1: doing it because we're listening. 958 00:43:46,440 --> 00:43:48,799 Speaker 3: Thanks dog man, I appreciate you that for real. Thank you. 959 00:43:48,800 --> 00:43:53,800 Speaker 2: As long as Thomas in the corner keep doing this thing. 960 00:43:54,880 --> 00:43:56,920 Speaker 3: As long as you keep doing this thing, going to 961 00:43:57,000 --> 00:43:57,359 Speaker 3: be right. 962 00:43:57,480 --> 00:44:00,239 Speaker 2: Yeah, you know what else doing that thing? Who man 963 00:44:00,280 --> 00:44:02,840 Speaker 2: our viewers and our listeners out there, they are most 964 00:44:02,880 --> 00:44:05,560 Speaker 2: definitely man. Give us a five star rating of review, 965 00:44:06,120 --> 00:44:08,839 Speaker 2: like comment, subscribe, tell a friend to tell a friend 966 00:44:08,840 --> 00:44:11,200 Speaker 2: to do what peanut. I've been working on that and 967 00:44:11,239 --> 00:44:13,360 Speaker 2: you can now check us out on the YouTube page 968 00:44:13,440 --> 00:44:14,160 Speaker 2: or the NFL. 969 00:44:14,760 --> 00:44:15,840 Speaker 1: Uh. 970 00:44:15,920 --> 00:44:21,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, NFL our NFL YouTube channels, that's. 971 00:44:21,560 --> 00:44:21,960 Speaker 1: What it is. 972 00:44:22,040 --> 00:44:24,120 Speaker 2: Make sure y'all leave a comment. Please do that, man. 973 00:44:24,160 --> 00:44:26,160 Speaker 2: Thank you guys always for tuning in. Peanuts, get us 974 00:44:26,160 --> 00:44:29,360 Speaker 2: out here, man, I'm Peanut. That's my guy Roman, Steven Jackson, 975 00:44:29,480 --> 00:44:32,560 Speaker 2: the show, y'all. We appreciate y'all. Thank you for watching 976 00:44:32,600 --> 00:44:56,719 Speaker 2: The NFL Player's Second Act podcast, and we out