1 00:00:02,640 --> 00:00:05,320 Speaker 1: Holy look who we have number one? And look at 2 00:00:05,320 --> 00:00:07,400 Speaker 1: what everybody else that's number one, you know, and it's 3 00:00:07,480 --> 00:00:11,480 Speaker 1: it is pretty startling at times. And then Brian gets 4 00:00:11,480 --> 00:00:13,640 Speaker 1: a little ball and goes you know, the reason I'm 5 00:00:13,800 --> 00:00:18,720 Speaker 1: here is because we don't have enough good play. As 6 00:00:18,760 --> 00:00:21,840 Speaker 1: soon as Ozzi makes that deal, Phil storms out of 7 00:00:21,840 --> 00:00:25,000 Speaker 1: the rule, Brian Billick leaves the rule, and Ozzie has 8 00:00:25,040 --> 00:00:27,000 Speaker 1: to go down to each of the office and calm 9 00:00:27,160 --> 00:00:42,040 Speaker 1: down to bring him back. Welcome into the lounge for 10 00:00:42,440 --> 00:00:46,040 Speaker 1: last pre draft podcast. You know, we've done a lot 11 00:00:46,080 --> 00:00:48,640 Speaker 1: of these in terms of just dissecting every single component 12 00:00:48,640 --> 00:00:50,440 Speaker 1: of the draft. We did our full seven round mock 13 00:00:50,520 --> 00:00:54,200 Speaker 1: draft last week. Um and the mock drafts. There's a 14 00:00:54,200 --> 00:00:56,440 Speaker 1: lot of people that are interested in the mox obviously, 15 00:00:56,440 --> 00:00:57,680 Speaker 1: there's so many of them out there. We've got a 16 00:00:57,760 --> 00:00:59,600 Speaker 1: number of emails from fans who have provided their own 17 00:00:59,600 --> 00:01:01,160 Speaker 1: mock draft as I think it's kind of fun. I 18 00:01:01,240 --> 00:01:03,920 Speaker 1: like when other when fans is get in on the 19 00:01:03,960 --> 00:01:05,720 Speaker 1: action and do your own mock draft. My brother was 20 00:01:05,760 --> 00:01:08,720 Speaker 1: sending me his mock draft the other day. You know, 21 00:01:08,760 --> 00:01:10,920 Speaker 1: it was no. I mean, mine obviously is gonna be 22 00:01:10,959 --> 00:01:12,840 Speaker 1: seven or seven how many picks. We got seven picks right, 23 00:01:12,959 --> 00:01:15,600 Speaker 1: eight picks a free um and so you can't be 24 00:01:15,600 --> 00:01:18,080 Speaker 1: any better than that. But it was close. It was close. Well, 25 00:01:18,120 --> 00:01:21,839 Speaker 1: I'm just gonna let listeners know that when you look 26 00:01:21,880 --> 00:01:25,040 Speaker 1: at our final mock drafts on the website or app 27 00:01:25,120 --> 00:01:27,360 Speaker 1: or wherever you go, mine will be different from what 28 00:01:27,440 --> 00:01:30,319 Speaker 1: I announced the podcast because I'm a taker and I'm 29 00:01:30,360 --> 00:01:32,480 Speaker 1: gonna tinker and I'm gonna change it up. Well, what 30 00:01:32,560 --> 00:01:35,240 Speaker 1: I what I said is last week we phrase our 31 00:01:35,280 --> 00:01:37,279 Speaker 1: mock drafts, we put them out there is the final 32 00:01:37,360 --> 00:01:41,360 Speaker 1: mock drafts, each of our final final mock drafts, and 33 00:01:41,440 --> 00:01:44,520 Speaker 1: so fans, I want you guys to email us at 34 00:01:44,520 --> 00:01:46,959 Speaker 1: the lounge at Raymond's at NFL dot net. Tell me 35 00:01:47,000 --> 00:01:49,240 Speaker 1: if you think it's a snake move. It's a snake 36 00:01:49,360 --> 00:01:52,400 Speaker 1: move for somebody to say this is my final mock draft, 37 00:01:52,440 --> 00:01:54,880 Speaker 1: this is it, and then to adjust it at the 38 00:01:54,960 --> 00:01:58,800 Speaker 1: eleventh hour. Look, if Ozzie knew some the day of 39 00:01:58,840 --> 00:02:01,080 Speaker 1: the draft. The morning of the draft Thursday morning, he says, 40 00:02:01,120 --> 00:02:02,880 Speaker 1: on my big board, you know what, I'm gonna flip 41 00:02:02,920 --> 00:02:04,760 Speaker 1: Calvin Randley and d J Moore and I'm gonna put 42 00:02:04,840 --> 00:02:08,320 Speaker 1: DJ Moore who whatever he's well within his right to 43 00:02:08,320 --> 00:02:10,320 Speaker 1: do that. Yeah, but you know what, and then once 44 00:02:10,440 --> 00:02:13,000 Speaker 1: once the draft starts and all that, you don't tinker that. 45 00:02:13,880 --> 00:02:16,240 Speaker 1: Once the draft starts, my last mock draft, which I'll 46 00:02:16,240 --> 00:02:19,240 Speaker 1: make on the website and that will be my phone, 47 00:02:19,440 --> 00:02:20,919 Speaker 1: and and that guy I always say, this is why 48 00:02:20,919 --> 00:02:23,160 Speaker 1: you can't trust anything that you say, because your word 49 00:02:23,200 --> 00:02:26,040 Speaker 1: doesn't stand for anything. You still stand your word doesn't 50 00:02:26,040 --> 00:02:28,200 Speaker 1: stand for anything. If you say this is my final 51 00:02:28,280 --> 00:02:30,760 Speaker 1: mock draft thing, you adjust sit um. And so I 52 00:02:30,840 --> 00:02:32,800 Speaker 1: know what you're gonna do. If you put out your 53 00:02:32,800 --> 00:02:34,560 Speaker 1: new mock draft and then you hit somebody that was 54 00:02:34,560 --> 00:02:36,200 Speaker 1: in your podcast mock draft, you're gonna say, well, I 55 00:02:36,240 --> 00:02:38,120 Speaker 1: had it right along. You're just trying to head your back. 56 00:02:38,160 --> 00:02:40,399 Speaker 1: You're just trying to head your back to anyway, let's 57 00:02:40,400 --> 00:02:44,359 Speaker 1: get to the heels. This one comes from Ryan Banbury 58 00:02:44,680 --> 00:02:48,120 Speaker 1: and speaking guys who put together you enjoy fancy together 59 00:02:48,240 --> 00:02:50,840 Speaker 1: in mock draft. He did the same, uh, he said. 60 00:02:51,160 --> 00:02:53,080 Speaker 1: I wrote a few months back about doing a seven 61 00:02:53,160 --> 00:02:55,720 Speaker 1: round mock draft outside of the Predict the Pick contest, 62 00:02:56,000 --> 00:02:58,359 Speaker 1: which I of course entered, and asked you all of 63 00:02:58,400 --> 00:03:02,560 Speaker 1: our listeners here to show my superior draft prowess over mink, 64 00:03:02,800 --> 00:03:06,399 Speaker 1: I want to send my picks. In his first couple 65 00:03:06,400 --> 00:03:08,720 Speaker 1: of picks, here we go for so he has two. 66 00:03:09,120 --> 00:03:11,040 Speaker 1: He did one that he says, this is what ozz 67 00:03:11,120 --> 00:03:12,800 Speaker 1: is gonna do, and then he did one that says 68 00:03:12,840 --> 00:03:15,960 Speaker 1: this is what fans want. Okay, So for his Ozzie draft, 69 00:03:16,000 --> 00:03:19,680 Speaker 1: he has Rashaan Evans, the linebacker out of Alabama with 70 00:03:19,720 --> 00:03:21,480 Speaker 1: the first round pick. Then he has Nick Chubb, the 71 00:03:21,560 --> 00:03:24,480 Speaker 1: running back the third round picks tight end Mark Andrews 72 00:03:24,480 --> 00:03:27,000 Speaker 1: out of Oklahoma, sister's first three picks in Azzi dress, 73 00:03:27,160 --> 00:03:28,560 Speaker 1: I actually like this pigs a lot. I think that 74 00:03:28,600 --> 00:03:30,560 Speaker 1: would be a good draft, I said, Evans is my 75 00:03:30,600 --> 00:03:32,800 Speaker 1: surprise pick. I think that could be my shocker. And 76 00:03:32,800 --> 00:03:36,240 Speaker 1: the fan draft he has Ridley Gasecki and James Daniels. 77 00:03:36,320 --> 00:03:40,600 Speaker 1: James Daniels incant the third round. But anyway, interesting stuff 78 00:03:40,720 --> 00:03:44,280 Speaker 1: there from Ryan Barry Banbury. Yeah I do. I have 79 00:03:44,360 --> 00:03:46,520 Speaker 1: one from Connor Swan and Connor says, hey, guys, is 80 00:03:46,600 --> 00:03:48,520 Speaker 1: it just me or just this roster before the draft? 81 00:03:48,520 --> 00:03:51,120 Speaker 1: Feel like it's the most talented one the Ravens have 82 00:03:51,160 --> 00:03:53,520 Speaker 1: fielded since the Super Bowl win. I feel like mainstream 83 00:03:53,560 --> 00:03:56,240 Speaker 1: sports media is ignoring it. But oh the tight end, 84 00:03:56,240 --> 00:03:58,720 Speaker 1: wide receiver, metal linebacker. I don't see a glaring hole 85 00:03:58,960 --> 00:04:01,160 Speaker 1: that will significantly hurt the team. Well, Connor, I like 86 00:04:01,200 --> 00:04:04,440 Speaker 1: the optimism. He's drinking the purple coolay right now. Um, 87 00:04:04,480 --> 00:04:06,280 Speaker 1: I think it's hard to say that right now. I 88 00:04:06,320 --> 00:04:09,640 Speaker 1: mean the receiver position I do think is slightly upgraded 89 00:04:09,720 --> 00:04:12,080 Speaker 1: right now from where it was last year. Um, there's 90 00:04:12,080 --> 00:04:14,480 Speaker 1: still certainly question marks there because all these guys have 91 00:04:14,520 --> 00:04:18,720 Speaker 1: to have bounce back seasons. Um, but like, probably not 92 00:04:18,760 --> 00:04:19,960 Speaker 1: all of the are going to bounce back to a 93 00:04:20,000 --> 00:04:22,400 Speaker 1: thousand yards. Yeah, there's probably gonna be you know, maybe 94 00:04:22,480 --> 00:04:24,480 Speaker 1: get two out of the three there that had bounced 95 00:04:24,480 --> 00:04:27,600 Speaker 1: back years. So could it be the best? I just don't. 96 00:04:27,760 --> 00:04:29,560 Speaker 1: I just don't think that it's It's a it's a 97 00:04:29,600 --> 00:04:33,240 Speaker 1: fruitful exercise to declare a roster in April to be 98 00:04:33,320 --> 00:04:35,400 Speaker 1: the best that I've seen, because so much can change 99 00:04:35,400 --> 00:04:37,240 Speaker 1: between now and the start of the season. Here's the thing. 100 00:04:37,320 --> 00:04:40,440 Speaker 1: The defense right now was pretty loaded. You've got everybody back. 101 00:04:40,720 --> 00:04:42,960 Speaker 1: Everybody is back from a really good defensive year ago, 102 00:04:43,040 --> 00:04:44,960 Speaker 1: and you're probably only gonna make it better in the draft. 103 00:04:45,200 --> 00:04:48,560 Speaker 1: You're gonna add some more pieces so defensively, yeah, looks 104 00:04:48,560 --> 00:04:51,359 Speaker 1: really good and I like Wake Martindale coming in talking 105 00:04:51,360 --> 00:04:56,080 Speaker 1: outside the roster. Offensively, it looks similar to last year, 106 00:04:56,200 --> 00:04:58,120 Speaker 1: maybe a little bit better, Like you said, a wide receiver. 107 00:04:58,240 --> 00:05:01,760 Speaker 1: But you've also lost Ryan Jen's agency, so that hurts 108 00:05:01,760 --> 00:05:04,720 Speaker 1: you on the offensive line. Benjamin Watson Benjamin Watson last year, 109 00:05:04,760 --> 00:05:06,360 Speaker 1: there are a lot of questions about the other line. Anyway, 110 00:05:06,480 --> 00:05:09,240 Speaker 1: we're banking on Jensen being one of the game's best centers, 111 00:05:09,279 --> 00:05:11,680 Speaker 1: so you know, I think it remains to be seen 112 00:05:11,680 --> 00:05:14,520 Speaker 1: on offense. It's not quite done yet there obviously, as 113 00:05:14,560 --> 00:05:16,400 Speaker 1: we're talking about here in the draft, I think there's 114 00:05:16,400 --> 00:05:18,560 Speaker 1: gonna be a lot offensive weapons added. So talk to 115 00:05:18,600 --> 00:05:20,920 Speaker 1: me after the draft. That one, okay, last email, we 116 00:05:21,000 --> 00:05:22,880 Speaker 1: got one more of This one comes from Neil Frank 117 00:05:23,240 --> 00:05:25,640 Speaker 1: and he says, hey, guys, Neil here, so I see 118 00:05:25,760 --> 00:05:29,800 Speaker 1: today New Orleans. Let Willie come to us. Welcome, Mr Sneed. 119 00:05:30,320 --> 00:05:32,800 Speaker 1: My question, though, is about the draft next week. Are 120 00:05:32,839 --> 00:05:35,719 Speaker 1: you now more optimistic on the receiving corps that we 121 00:05:35,800 --> 00:05:39,280 Speaker 1: have acquired this offseason and will result in a different 122 00:05:39,360 --> 00:05:41,400 Speaker 1: draft board. Where is the staff going to stick to 123 00:05:41,440 --> 00:05:43,360 Speaker 1: their offensive heavy thoughts that they had a week ago. 124 00:05:43,440 --> 00:05:45,040 Speaker 1: I don't think I've said this before. I don't think 125 00:05:45,040 --> 00:05:47,600 Speaker 1: that that what we've done in free agency is going 126 00:05:47,680 --> 00:05:51,080 Speaker 1: to dissuade us from taking a wide receiver earlier in 127 00:05:51,080 --> 00:05:52,720 Speaker 1: this year's draft. None of these guys are on long 128 00:05:52,800 --> 00:05:55,040 Speaker 1: term deals. None of these guys are coming in here 129 00:05:55,120 --> 00:05:58,440 Speaker 1: as you know, huge contract players that you're gonna expect 130 00:05:58,440 --> 00:06:00,159 Speaker 1: to be here in Baltimore for the next five years. 131 00:06:00,240 --> 00:06:02,280 Speaker 1: Is a true number one right wide receiver that searches 132 00:06:02,320 --> 00:06:04,360 Speaker 1: still on and if you're looking and get that guy, 133 00:06:04,440 --> 00:06:07,520 Speaker 1: whether it's Conflately or DJ Moore or somebody else, you're 134 00:06:07,520 --> 00:06:09,360 Speaker 1: gonna pull the trigger on that. All right, Well, thank 135 00:06:09,400 --> 00:06:11,280 Speaker 1: you everybody for the emails. As always, you can hit 136 00:06:11,320 --> 00:06:14,839 Speaker 1: us up at the lounge at Ravens NFL dot net. Garrett, 137 00:06:15,200 --> 00:06:17,000 Speaker 1: I don't know about you, but I've been having some 138 00:06:17,120 --> 00:06:19,440 Speaker 1: draft dreams, one of which was that we took we 139 00:06:19,520 --> 00:06:22,560 Speaker 1: drafted somebody that totally I never even heard of in 140 00:06:22,600 --> 00:06:25,200 Speaker 1: the first round and I was old, well, I was 141 00:06:25,279 --> 00:06:26,839 Speaker 1: kind of the same way. I had had a dream 142 00:06:26,880 --> 00:06:28,520 Speaker 1: we trained up to the second overall pick and then 143 00:06:28,600 --> 00:06:32,359 Speaker 1: drafted a defensive tackle. Heard, So the draft needs again 144 00:06:32,360 --> 00:06:34,480 Speaker 1: here because I need to have we need to stop 145 00:06:34,520 --> 00:06:36,880 Speaker 1: having dreams about the draft stuff. Anyway. With that said, 146 00:06:37,000 --> 00:06:39,120 Speaker 1: let's welcome in our next guest, Kevin Burd who sat 147 00:06:39,160 --> 00:06:43,320 Speaker 1: in on every single Ravens draft. Well, we are happy 148 00:06:43,440 --> 00:06:46,960 Speaker 1: to be joined by Kevin Byrne, the Tzar of Ravens 149 00:06:47,000 --> 00:06:51,960 Speaker 1: PR Relations. Uh Tzar? Is that the right title, Kevin? 150 00:06:52,000 --> 00:06:56,239 Speaker 1: I feel like to say that on your business card. No, No, 151 00:06:56,400 --> 00:07:01,799 Speaker 1: I think it's his old man ashake were goals. Yeah, 152 00:07:02,680 --> 00:07:04,839 Speaker 1: some of the guys around the lake called me the godfather, 153 00:07:05,000 --> 00:07:07,599 Speaker 1: But I think it's just because I'm old and they've 154 00:07:07,600 --> 00:07:10,400 Speaker 1: been around a long time. All the people that were 155 00:07:10,480 --> 00:07:15,240 Speaker 1: my contemporaries they're gone, you know, so so but uh yeah, 156 00:07:15,280 --> 00:07:21,560 Speaker 1: I think old is the proper term. We we wanted 157 00:07:21,560 --> 00:07:23,560 Speaker 1: to have you on this week because you have you're 158 00:07:23,560 --> 00:07:25,200 Speaker 1: one of the few people who has been in the 159 00:07:25,240 --> 00:07:28,480 Speaker 1: draft room every single year that the Ravens have had 160 00:07:28,480 --> 00:07:31,360 Speaker 1: a draft. You know, you and Aussie are two of 161 00:07:31,400 --> 00:07:33,880 Speaker 1: the only people that have been in that room every 162 00:07:33,880 --> 00:07:35,679 Speaker 1: single year, So we wanted to get some stories about 163 00:07:35,680 --> 00:07:37,920 Speaker 1: what it's like behind the closed doors. There are you 164 00:07:37,960 --> 00:07:39,840 Speaker 1: like us? By the way, during draft week? Do you 165 00:07:39,840 --> 00:07:42,040 Speaker 1: have dreams about the draft? Because make and I have 166 00:07:42,120 --> 00:07:44,640 Speaker 1: both talked about this leading up to the Thursday night. 167 00:07:45,280 --> 00:07:48,560 Speaker 1: You know, I have some nervousness that prevents me from 168 00:07:48,560 --> 00:07:51,560 Speaker 1: sleeping because it's it's so dramatic. What can happen to 169 00:07:51,600 --> 00:07:54,040 Speaker 1: your franchise. So you know when that that pick late 170 00:07:54,040 --> 00:07:55,720 Speaker 1: in the first round turns out to be at Read 171 00:07:56,280 --> 00:07:59,280 Speaker 1: or Todd Heat, you know, or the sixteen pick ends 172 00:07:59,320 --> 00:08:02,440 Speaker 1: up being see Jay Moseley. I mean, you know, that 173 00:08:02,520 --> 00:08:06,280 Speaker 1: could be really dramatic for your franchise. So there's excitement. 174 00:08:06,320 --> 00:08:10,320 Speaker 1: I either like it. It's as close to Christmas for 175 00:08:10,520 --> 00:08:12,520 Speaker 1: us as you can be. You know, you're gonna get 176 00:08:12,520 --> 00:08:15,600 Speaker 1: a present, You're you're gonna get multiple presidents, and you 177 00:08:15,600 --> 00:08:17,680 Speaker 1: don't know who they're going to be, what they're gonna be. 178 00:08:17,840 --> 00:08:20,080 Speaker 1: There's gonna be a third round er like Brandon Williams, 179 00:08:20,200 --> 00:08:22,640 Speaker 1: is going to be a sixth rounder like a Davis Thomas. 180 00:08:22,760 --> 00:08:26,360 Speaker 1: And so when when I'm doing the draft and when 181 00:08:26,440 --> 00:08:29,280 Speaker 1: we play out and so I'm looking at the sixteen pick, 182 00:08:29,360 --> 00:08:31,320 Speaker 1: we stay at sixteen, would take a guy. I'm thinking, 183 00:08:31,400 --> 00:08:33,319 Speaker 1: we've got somebody who's good at C. J. Mosley was 184 00:08:33,400 --> 00:08:35,240 Speaker 1: just going to the Pro Bowl three out of four years. 185 00:08:35,520 --> 00:08:37,679 Speaker 1: So that's how my mind works. And then the second round, 186 00:08:37,720 --> 00:08:41,080 Speaker 1: I'll look for the best second rounder. Well that guy 187 00:08:41,120 --> 00:08:44,640 Speaker 1: could be you know, sometimes it works that way, right. 188 00:08:44,960 --> 00:08:47,160 Speaker 1: It's kind of better than Christmas in a way sometimes 189 00:08:47,160 --> 00:08:50,400 Speaker 1: for us, you know, because oftentimes Christmas and there's games 190 00:08:50,480 --> 00:08:53,160 Speaker 1: or we're in the thick of the NFL season. This 191 00:08:53,360 --> 00:08:57,920 Speaker 1: is an NFL that's right, because the holidays during the 192 00:08:57,960 --> 00:09:01,160 Speaker 1: season for us are blurna exactly, it barely exists. Yeah, 193 00:09:01,200 --> 00:09:04,719 Speaker 1: did we have Thanksgiving? Oh? Yeah, that's right. We had 194 00:09:04,760 --> 00:09:09,000 Speaker 1: two hours Thursday afternoon. So we're want to start right 195 00:09:09,000 --> 00:09:11,400 Speaker 1: at the beginning of the Ravens drafts history. And you know, 196 00:09:11,400 --> 00:09:14,120 Speaker 1: a lot of people probably know the Jonathan Ogden Lawrence 197 00:09:14,160 --> 00:09:16,320 Speaker 1: Phillips debate, but we kind of want to set the 198 00:09:16,360 --> 00:09:18,200 Speaker 1: record straight with you because you were in the room. 199 00:09:18,240 --> 00:09:22,160 Speaker 1: You saw everything. How hard was Art Model pushing for 200 00:09:22,240 --> 00:09:24,640 Speaker 1: Lawrence Phillips and up to what point, like was it 201 00:09:24,800 --> 00:09:26,520 Speaker 1: like on the clock? And he was like, I want 202 00:09:26,520 --> 00:09:28,840 Speaker 1: the run back? How did it go? It actually was 203 00:09:28,880 --> 00:09:32,360 Speaker 1: the night before Art would come in to see Ozzy 204 00:09:32,440 --> 00:09:35,120 Speaker 1: the night before and including the first draft, and I 205 00:09:35,160 --> 00:09:37,559 Speaker 1: had a chance to sit in on that meeting, and 206 00:09:37,640 --> 00:09:40,800 Speaker 1: so Ozzy was going through what could happen with the 207 00:09:40,840 --> 00:09:43,840 Speaker 1: fourth pick. We had the fourth pick, and our highest 208 00:09:43,920 --> 00:09:47,360 Speaker 1: rated player was Jonathan Ogden. But then he said, there's 209 00:09:47,360 --> 00:09:50,520 Speaker 1: a chance, Art, that this guy could be there at 210 00:09:50,559 --> 00:09:55,000 Speaker 1: four based on what we're hearing from other teams. And 211 00:09:55,200 --> 00:09:57,640 Speaker 1: Arts said, well, what about the running back. Everybody keeps 212 00:09:57,640 --> 00:10:01,080 Speaker 1: saying we're gonna get and that that that he's going 213 00:10:01,120 --> 00:10:02,920 Speaker 1: to be the guy, and we need a running back, 214 00:10:03,520 --> 00:10:06,480 Speaker 1: and and Ozzie said, you don't want him, you know, 215 00:10:06,559 --> 00:10:10,520 Speaker 1: and he said, he's an art. He his picture at 216 00:10:10,520 --> 00:10:12,560 Speaker 1: the combine when he was in his gym trunks. They 217 00:10:12,559 --> 00:10:15,880 Speaker 1: all take pictures with just jim trunks on. He had 218 00:10:15,880 --> 00:10:19,400 Speaker 1: the word thug tattooed across his chest. He goes, you 219 00:10:19,440 --> 00:10:21,240 Speaker 1: don't want him to be the first pick. And that 220 00:10:21,360 --> 00:10:22,679 Speaker 1: was It was as simple as that. It wasn't I 221 00:10:22,679 --> 00:10:25,480 Speaker 1: don't like saying, oh, we gotta have a Lawrence Phillips 222 00:10:25,559 --> 00:10:28,560 Speaker 1: because he's going to sell more tickets. There was none 223 00:10:28,559 --> 00:10:32,760 Speaker 1: of that. It was a complete trust in Ozzie and Uh. 224 00:10:32,880 --> 00:10:35,040 Speaker 1: And then the next day when it came to our 225 00:10:35,120 --> 00:10:38,080 Speaker 1: time to pick, and they had appeared that Ogden was 226 00:10:38,080 --> 00:10:41,960 Speaker 1: getting to us, you know, he Art said our Ozzie 227 00:10:41,960 --> 00:10:44,480 Speaker 1: turned to Art and said, we talked about it last night. 228 00:10:44,480 --> 00:10:47,000 Speaker 1: You're okay with this, right, And because Ozzie was a 229 00:10:47,000 --> 00:10:49,280 Speaker 1: little unsure this was his first traff, he goes, yeah, yeah, 230 00:10:49,320 --> 00:10:52,480 Speaker 1: I'm I'm relying on you and should turn in the 231 00:10:52,559 --> 00:10:56,280 Speaker 1: name Jonathan Ogden And wow, that's pretty awesome. So it 232 00:10:56,400 --> 00:10:59,679 Speaker 1: wasn't that thing where and I've seen it written in 233 00:11:00,080 --> 00:11:02,600 Speaker 1: just the past couple of days that going back to 234 00:11:02,640 --> 00:11:05,680 Speaker 1: the first draft, when Ozzie had to overcome the owner, 235 00:11:06,480 --> 00:11:10,000 Speaker 1: it didn't happen. That's a Hollywood story you gotta put. 236 00:11:10,679 --> 00:11:13,480 Speaker 1: Do you think that you sense like was Ozzy at 237 00:11:13,520 --> 00:11:16,240 Speaker 1: all nervously? He talked about the butterflies that he gets 238 00:11:16,280 --> 00:11:19,160 Speaker 1: every year right in the press commence a month ago 239 00:11:19,280 --> 00:11:22,559 Speaker 1: or so. Did you sense any nervousness from him in 240 00:11:22,679 --> 00:11:26,160 Speaker 1: his first draft? That's different than now, Well, you guys 241 00:11:26,200 --> 00:11:29,720 Speaker 1: have spent time with Ozzie. If there's a calm, I 242 00:11:29,760 --> 00:11:33,480 Speaker 1: mean he is calm. You know, the feet of the 243 00:11:33,559 --> 00:11:35,960 Speaker 1: duck might be paddling like crazy under the water, but 244 00:11:36,320 --> 00:11:38,920 Speaker 1: on the surface, Ozzie's calm. He's always been calm. I 245 00:11:39,000 --> 00:11:41,080 Speaker 1: knew him as a player. I've known Ozzie since nineteen 246 00:11:41,200 --> 00:11:44,000 Speaker 1: eighty one. He seemed calm before the first game. But 247 00:11:44,080 --> 00:11:47,480 Speaker 1: I remember after that first draft asking him what was 248 00:11:47,520 --> 00:11:50,000 Speaker 1: it like? And he compared it as he does today. 249 00:11:50,320 --> 00:11:53,920 Speaker 1: He compared it to playing the Steelers. You know as 250 00:11:53,920 --> 00:11:56,680 Speaker 1: a player that you know, the excitement that I had 251 00:11:56,720 --> 00:11:59,040 Speaker 1: before a game with the Steelers. It's just like that, 252 00:11:59,200 --> 00:12:01,320 Speaker 1: or a playoff game. It's just like that. You know, 253 00:12:01,800 --> 00:12:04,760 Speaker 1: you get the anticipation like we gotta get this right, 254 00:12:04,760 --> 00:12:07,360 Speaker 1: I gotta do the right things. But then you fall back, 255 00:12:07,840 --> 00:12:09,920 Speaker 1: as as you would say, you fall back on your 256 00:12:09,920 --> 00:12:13,280 Speaker 1: preparation in the process. As we're talking about Azzi, we 257 00:12:13,280 --> 00:12:15,079 Speaker 1: were going to get into this, but I think we're 258 00:12:15,200 --> 00:12:17,680 Speaker 1: on that subject now, so let's kind of talk about him. 259 00:12:17,840 --> 00:12:20,880 Speaker 1: You've known him since he was a player. Is he 260 00:12:21,040 --> 00:12:23,640 Speaker 1: similar now as a GM to what he was as 261 00:12:23,679 --> 00:12:26,520 Speaker 1: a player? Does he talk to the media? Did he 262 00:12:26,559 --> 00:12:28,800 Speaker 1: talk to the media more as a player? I mean, 263 00:12:28,840 --> 00:12:31,000 Speaker 1: how was he and and did you at the time 264 00:12:31,280 --> 00:12:32,960 Speaker 1: have any sense that this is a guy that could 265 00:12:33,000 --> 00:12:37,960 Speaker 1: go into coaching or go into front office. I wasn't sure. 266 00:12:38,000 --> 00:12:41,720 Speaker 1: You know, the Ozzie and I are similar ages. You know, 267 00:12:41,760 --> 00:12:45,040 Speaker 1: he's a few years younger than me, and as a player, 268 00:12:45,600 --> 00:12:47,520 Speaker 1: he was a go to guy. You had to have 269 00:12:47,559 --> 00:12:49,760 Speaker 1: go to guys in the locker room. He had to 270 00:12:49,800 --> 00:12:52,839 Speaker 1: have a go to guy after a dramatic loss, the 271 00:12:53,400 --> 00:12:55,880 Speaker 1: game that knocks you out of the playoffs, or the 272 00:12:55,920 --> 00:12:58,480 Speaker 1: game that knocks you out of the playoffs, the derive, 273 00:12:59,080 --> 00:13:03,360 Speaker 1: the fumble. You know, we were together there and and 274 00:13:03,360 --> 00:13:06,120 Speaker 1: and you'd be able to go to Ozzi and say, hey, Oz, 275 00:13:06,960 --> 00:13:08,640 Speaker 1: I need you after the game. We need you after 276 00:13:08,679 --> 00:13:10,199 Speaker 1: this game to talk a little bit, even give it 277 00:13:10,280 --> 00:13:12,560 Speaker 1: the right perspective. He was also the type of guy 278 00:13:12,600 --> 00:13:15,000 Speaker 1: that you can say that there's a really special case 279 00:13:15,600 --> 00:13:18,160 Speaker 1: at the hospital right now with somebody with a kid 280 00:13:18,200 --> 00:13:21,439 Speaker 1: who's dying, and it would be dramatic if you could 281 00:13:21,480 --> 00:13:23,120 Speaker 1: do something about that, and he would be the guy 282 00:13:23,160 --> 00:13:25,959 Speaker 1: said Okay, I'll do that. And so he was the 283 00:13:26,120 --> 00:13:29,359 Speaker 1: go to guy. So he was available to the media regularly, 284 00:13:29,960 --> 00:13:37,040 Speaker 1: much more so as the exist. You know, it's amazing. 285 00:13:37,320 --> 00:13:41,040 Speaker 1: So you could list some of the best book writers 286 00:13:41,040 --> 00:13:44,600 Speaker 1: in the country on sports books in the last fifteen years, 287 00:13:44,640 --> 00:13:49,320 Speaker 1: twenty years, and they've all approached saying, there's no book 288 00:13:49,320 --> 00:13:50,840 Speaker 1: on Ozzi. We have to do the book on Ozzi. 289 00:13:51,280 --> 00:13:53,079 Speaker 1: And and I'll say I'll make him aware of it, 290 00:13:53,120 --> 00:13:55,680 Speaker 1: but he's not gonna do it, you know. And so 291 00:13:56,160 --> 00:13:58,440 Speaker 1: we have one right now. You know those uh A 292 00:13:58,440 --> 00:14:01,199 Speaker 1: football life the NFL on net work. There's not one 293 00:14:01,200 --> 00:14:04,320 Speaker 1: on Ozzie Newson you know who which is crazy? Who 294 00:14:04,080 --> 00:14:08,880 Speaker 1: is Yeah, because he won't do it. So now, so 295 00:14:08,920 --> 00:14:13,360 Speaker 1: now the commissioner Roger Goodell has mentioned it to Howard Cats. 296 00:14:14,280 --> 00:14:17,080 Speaker 1: Do we have a football wife of BOSSI news some No, 297 00:14:17,559 --> 00:14:20,960 Speaker 1: And so Howard Cats goes to his guy in NFL 298 00:14:21,040 --> 00:14:23,120 Speaker 1: Films and that guy comes to me and said, it 299 00:14:23,240 --> 00:14:26,160 Speaker 1: comes from the Commissioner. I tell Ozzie that. He goes, 300 00:14:26,720 --> 00:14:28,480 Speaker 1: I'm not going to do that, Kevin, I'm not interested. 301 00:14:29,640 --> 00:14:31,240 Speaker 1: And I said, well you have to do it, you know, 302 00:14:31,360 --> 00:14:35,000 Speaker 1: because now you're gonna be stepping away in your current capacity. 303 00:14:35,280 --> 00:14:38,360 Speaker 1: And I said, they're gonna need to shoot something during 304 00:14:38,400 --> 00:14:48,680 Speaker 1: this season during this year. He goes none, And there 305 00:14:48,720 --> 00:14:52,080 Speaker 1: has to be that. But he is as humble a 306 00:14:52,160 --> 00:14:55,480 Speaker 1: superstar as I've ever met, and it's pure he is 307 00:14:55,600 --> 00:14:59,640 Speaker 1: not interested in people paying attention to him. But he's 308 00:14:59,680 --> 00:15:02,720 Speaker 1: also one of the most highly competitive people I've ever met. 309 00:15:03,200 --> 00:15:06,200 Speaker 1: Compizza and everything. He loves to compete, do you I mean, 310 00:15:06,240 --> 00:15:08,960 Speaker 1: he's been so he's downplayed this transition, and this is 311 00:15:09,000 --> 00:15:10,720 Speaker 1: his last draft, and you know, he's talked a little 312 00:15:10,720 --> 00:15:12,440 Speaker 1: bit about the butterflies, like you said, But it's not 313 00:15:12,480 --> 00:15:15,160 Speaker 1: like he's making this a grandiose think of this is 314 00:15:15,200 --> 00:15:18,600 Speaker 1: my last draft. He's downplayed this every possible way. Do 315 00:15:18,720 --> 00:15:23,400 Speaker 1: you get the sense though, that internally that this is really, yeah, 316 00:15:23,520 --> 00:15:26,920 Speaker 1: significant and powerful to him. I think it is just 317 00:15:27,000 --> 00:15:29,120 Speaker 1: because of that. But at the same time, you know 318 00:15:29,160 --> 00:15:31,440 Speaker 1: what I sense from Eric to Costa and Joe Ortie 319 00:15:31,480 --> 00:15:34,360 Speaker 1: and all those guys, they want to get one for him. 320 00:15:34,680 --> 00:15:38,440 Speaker 1: They want to make sure you know it's hot. It's 321 00:15:38,520 --> 00:15:40,560 Speaker 1: it's odd to say they want to take that one 322 00:15:40,600 --> 00:15:43,920 Speaker 1: extra step so that we don't have a mistake in 323 00:15:43,960 --> 00:15:47,160 Speaker 1: any round, but it would be saying that they haven't 324 00:15:47,160 --> 00:15:49,880 Speaker 1: taken the extra steps in the past. I just I'm 325 00:15:49,920 --> 00:15:52,760 Speaker 1: always marveling at how hard they work and how thorough 326 00:15:52,800 --> 00:15:56,120 Speaker 1: they are and how much information they have on everybody. Um, 327 00:15:56,160 --> 00:15:59,120 Speaker 1: but my sense is they don't want to mess this up. 328 00:15:59,480 --> 00:16:02,520 Speaker 1: We got a let Ozzie have the type of draft 329 00:16:02,600 --> 00:16:04,040 Speaker 1: that people are going to go back and we win 330 00:16:04,080 --> 00:16:07,240 Speaker 1: our next Super Bowl. Goal. Who how about Ozzie's last draft? 331 00:16:08,560 --> 00:16:11,840 Speaker 1: How has he grown and changed as a GM that 332 00:16:11,880 --> 00:16:17,200 Speaker 1: you've seen. Well, I think at the beginning he had 333 00:16:17,240 --> 00:16:20,680 Speaker 1: to do everything himself. You know, he wasn't quite sure 334 00:16:20,760 --> 00:16:23,040 Speaker 1: what the process was yet and who he trusted in 335 00:16:23,040 --> 00:16:26,560 Speaker 1: the process. He learned a lot from Bill Belichick. Uh, 336 00:16:26,600 --> 00:16:30,120 Speaker 1: And that's a little bit of where he gets his 337 00:16:31,320 --> 00:16:36,240 Speaker 1: silence because he respected that about Bill. There are some 338 00:16:36,280 --> 00:16:39,160 Speaker 1: things he doesn't respect about Bill, but he does respect 339 00:16:39,160 --> 00:16:43,000 Speaker 1: the fact that Bill tries not to call attention to himself. 340 00:16:43,040 --> 00:16:46,520 Speaker 1: Of course, Belichick has done the exact opposite. He's called 341 00:16:46,600 --> 00:16:50,160 Speaker 1: so much attention to himself by not saying any yeah, 342 00:16:50,280 --> 00:16:51,880 Speaker 1: because he has to be out there every day because 343 00:16:51,880 --> 00:16:54,720 Speaker 1: the NFL says he has to be. Ozzy doesn't have 344 00:16:54,760 --> 00:16:56,960 Speaker 1: to be out there by NFL rules. So he got 345 00:16:56,960 --> 00:17:00,280 Speaker 1: of delights in sitting back there and watching John by 346 00:17:00,320 --> 00:17:07,280 Speaker 1: having to try every single day we should He loves 347 00:17:07,320 --> 00:17:10,360 Speaker 1: doing that and the reaction for the media saying, well, 348 00:17:10,400 --> 00:17:12,600 Speaker 1: you know, we can't get a more where where John 349 00:17:12,680 --> 00:17:15,280 Speaker 1: might say, we'll check with the trainers, and then they go, well, 350 00:17:15,280 --> 00:17:19,520 Speaker 1: you don't give us access to Okay, I gotta go. 351 00:17:21,720 --> 00:17:23,760 Speaker 1: So let's kind of go back and get back into 352 00:17:23,800 --> 00:17:26,360 Speaker 1: some of these stories. Um, you talked about the very 353 00:17:26,359 --> 00:17:28,919 Speaker 1: first one with with Lawrence Phillips and Jonathan Ogden. I 354 00:17:28,920 --> 00:17:31,440 Speaker 1: want to hear what was going on during the draft 355 00:17:31,440 --> 00:17:33,879 Speaker 1: for Ed Reid. Basically, the way I understand it is 356 00:17:34,119 --> 00:17:37,240 Speaker 1: he's the top twenty three guys sla off the board 357 00:17:37,280 --> 00:17:40,119 Speaker 1: and then all right, I guess we're stuck with his 358 00:17:40,200 --> 00:17:44,520 Speaker 1: safety out of Miami. It is exactly that. So when 359 00:17:44,520 --> 00:17:48,960 Speaker 1: you're in the room, what what is the heartbreaker for 360 00:17:49,040 --> 00:17:53,000 Speaker 1: somebody who's not involved in knowing the difference between Ryan 361 00:17:53,040 --> 00:17:55,639 Speaker 1: and Garrett who might have the same grade, but somebody 362 00:17:55,680 --> 00:18:01,600 Speaker 1: has to be somebody has too. So we're in that 363 00:18:01,680 --> 00:18:05,080 Speaker 1: room seeing all the guys we love being taken off 364 00:18:05,080 --> 00:18:08,679 Speaker 1: the board, and that hurts, you know, because you go 365 00:18:08,720 --> 00:18:10,720 Speaker 1: in there and we think this guy has a chance 366 00:18:10,760 --> 00:18:12,880 Speaker 1: to get this point forward. We think this guy Well, 367 00:18:12,880 --> 00:18:15,600 Speaker 1: then there was a linebacker who was dropping that our 368 00:18:15,680 --> 00:18:18,840 Speaker 1: room loved. It was very high on our list, I mean, 369 00:18:18,920 --> 00:18:25,040 Speaker 1: a guy named Napoleon Harris, and we frantically started calling 370 00:18:25,080 --> 00:18:27,560 Speaker 1: all the teams above us to try to move up 371 00:18:28,000 --> 00:18:31,080 Speaker 1: because we thought there were two teams, including the Oakland Raiders, 372 00:18:31,119 --> 00:18:33,160 Speaker 1: who are trying to get Napoleon hairs. So we're trying 373 00:18:33,160 --> 00:18:34,840 Speaker 1: to get above them, or they were trying to trade. 374 00:18:34,840 --> 00:18:37,240 Speaker 1: So it's all that back and forth, and then there's 375 00:18:37,280 --> 00:18:43,280 Speaker 1: just this devastating moment where Oakland selects Napoleon Harris and 376 00:18:43,320 --> 00:18:45,600 Speaker 1: the in the room was calmed. But I'm sitting in 377 00:18:45,680 --> 00:18:49,040 Speaker 1: my chair just crest fall and I'd never heard of 378 00:18:49,119 --> 00:18:53,080 Speaker 1: Napoleon Harris before, but I was convinced by that, you know, 379 00:18:53,119 --> 00:18:55,560 Speaker 1: a couple of hours in the row, we absolutely had 380 00:18:55,560 --> 00:19:00,000 Speaker 1: to have them. And so then, and in the previous 381 00:19:00,040 --> 00:19:02,400 Speaker 1: stress for the Ravens, there had always been somebody who 382 00:19:02,480 --> 00:19:06,720 Speaker 1: dropped to us that we had rated higher. It happens 383 00:19:06,720 --> 00:19:09,200 Speaker 1: in every round, and I'm going, this is just great. 384 00:19:09,280 --> 00:19:12,240 Speaker 1: We guys we love are dropping to us. Now we're 385 00:19:12,240 --> 00:19:14,600 Speaker 1: in the first round. It had happened in every first round. 386 00:19:15,000 --> 00:19:18,679 Speaker 1: And we get to three. Next guy off the board 387 00:19:19,040 --> 00:19:22,400 Speaker 1: and the next guy up there they player on our 388 00:19:22,440 --> 00:19:26,520 Speaker 1: board is the safety from Miami, ed reyd you know, 389 00:19:26,640 --> 00:19:28,720 Speaker 1: and as he said, put in ed Reid's name, and 390 00:19:28,800 --> 00:19:31,840 Speaker 1: Phil Savage, who at that time who later became the 391 00:19:31,840 --> 00:19:35,919 Speaker 1: gentlemanage of the Browns. After we select ed Reid, he 392 00:19:35,960 --> 00:19:38,399 Speaker 1: comes over to me says, look, when he walks in 393 00:19:38,440 --> 00:19:40,919 Speaker 1: the building, he's not gonna look like much now he's not. 394 00:19:41,680 --> 00:19:44,760 Speaker 1: He's a he's a little bit you know. Pigeon Tolden, 395 00:19:44,760 --> 00:19:47,480 Speaker 1: you know, and and uh, he's not. He's got a 396 00:19:47,560 --> 00:19:50,919 Speaker 1: kind of frail look. But but he'll be he'll play 397 00:19:50,960 --> 00:19:53,240 Speaker 1: eight years in the league and he'll he'll be good, 398 00:19:53,560 --> 00:19:55,720 Speaker 1: and he's gonna grow on you and the fans. He 399 00:19:55,760 --> 00:19:59,240 Speaker 1: will grow on you and the fans. So I guess 400 00:19:59,240 --> 00:20:02,720 Speaker 1: he did. And he's say, yeah, so that one might 401 00:20:02,720 --> 00:20:05,119 Speaker 1: go from I'm just devastated, then I'm getting like a 402 00:20:05,160 --> 00:20:07,800 Speaker 1: whole home like he'll grow on us. Well, that's a 403 00:20:07,840 --> 00:20:10,639 Speaker 1: great thing to go out there and salth hey, fans, 404 00:20:10,840 --> 00:20:15,560 Speaker 1: this guy will grow on But then when you really 405 00:20:15,560 --> 00:20:17,040 Speaker 1: looked at his history and just out of side of 406 00:20:17,080 --> 00:20:19,679 Speaker 1: it had read, you noticed on that team that had 407 00:20:19,720 --> 00:20:23,120 Speaker 1: like twenty four guys drafted in the first and second round, 408 00:20:23,359 --> 00:20:26,480 Speaker 1: he was the captain. You know, So yeah, pretty awesome, 409 00:20:26,560 --> 00:20:31,280 Speaker 1: Pretty awesome. What about Joe Flacco two thousand eight, Ravens 410 00:20:31,600 --> 00:20:35,600 Speaker 1: trade back, then trade back up to get their franchise quarterback? 411 00:20:35,760 --> 00:20:37,919 Speaker 1: What was that? Like? I mean, it seems like they 412 00:20:37,960 --> 00:20:40,400 Speaker 1: just played it perfectly. It was, you know, but there's 413 00:20:40,440 --> 00:20:43,920 Speaker 1: also the point where we were trading early in that draft, 414 00:20:44,720 --> 00:20:48,200 Speaker 1: the possibility of moving ahead of Atlanta at three because 415 00:20:48,200 --> 00:20:51,320 Speaker 1: we knew they were going to take Matt Ryan, and 416 00:20:51,440 --> 00:20:53,919 Speaker 1: so there was talk about how can we get up 417 00:20:53,920 --> 00:20:57,760 Speaker 1: there to get Matt Ryan, and so that kind of 418 00:20:57,800 --> 00:21:00,800 Speaker 1: goes by the wayside in a hurry out of the room. 419 00:21:01,400 --> 00:21:03,560 Speaker 1: The first two teams weren't going to do that, and 420 00:21:03,600 --> 00:21:07,280 Speaker 1: they're they're basically trying to steal from us. You know too, 421 00:21:07,320 --> 00:21:09,200 Speaker 1: if you wanted that badly, this is what you're gonna 422 00:21:09,240 --> 00:21:11,879 Speaker 1: have to do, you know. And you know you're thinking, 423 00:21:11,960 --> 00:21:15,600 Speaker 1: we're not trading ray Lewis, you know they're they honestly 424 00:21:16,080 --> 00:21:18,639 Speaker 1: that they were asking for the moon. I just say that, 425 00:21:19,160 --> 00:21:23,760 Speaker 1: you know. So, uh so, then Matt Ryan's taken. So 426 00:21:23,840 --> 00:21:26,040 Speaker 1: we make a trade. We make a trade to go 427 00:21:26,200 --> 00:21:29,760 Speaker 1: up or to move back, you know, because we can't 428 00:21:29,760 --> 00:21:34,040 Speaker 1: get our guy, because we think we love Joe Flacko 429 00:21:34,160 --> 00:21:37,800 Speaker 1: more than anybody else. And that's part of the process 430 00:21:37,840 --> 00:21:41,439 Speaker 1: in that room is it's amazing, even like in the 431 00:21:41,480 --> 00:21:43,840 Speaker 1: fourth or fifth round, Well, they'll sit there and Eric 432 00:21:43,920 --> 00:21:48,080 Speaker 1: DaCosta is just an amazing on this. He'll go, well, no, 433 00:21:48,160 --> 00:21:51,120 Speaker 1: they're going to take a tight end here, they'll take 434 00:21:51,240 --> 00:21:56,280 Speaker 1: the receiver so we can get our guard. We're all right, 435 00:21:56,280 --> 00:21:58,080 Speaker 1: we don't have to move up. We can get our guard. 436 00:21:58,200 --> 00:22:00,840 Speaker 1: We can get Marshal Yanda, So guys, don't worry about it. 437 00:22:00,840 --> 00:22:03,760 Speaker 1: We're gonna get Marshall outa there, like well, that's pretty risky. 438 00:22:04,280 --> 00:22:10,200 Speaker 1: So the rumor was basically saying, and Ozzy was saying, Steve, 439 00:22:10,520 --> 00:22:13,560 Speaker 1: Steve Piscotti, the owner, we're going to get our quarterback. 440 00:22:14,000 --> 00:22:21,480 Speaker 1: You know. It is that where we moved, you know. 441 00:22:21,640 --> 00:22:25,560 Speaker 1: And so so I remember Steve in the room going 442 00:22:26,000 --> 00:22:30,520 Speaker 1: as he got to like, you know, fifteen sixteen, he goes, 443 00:22:31,320 --> 00:22:35,320 Speaker 1: how sure your guys, how sure is everybody in this 444 00:22:35,400 --> 00:22:38,800 Speaker 1: room that Joe Flacco is gonna be down there? And now, 445 00:22:38,800 --> 00:22:40,880 Speaker 1: as he said, well, I'll say this, I'm not as 446 00:22:40,880 --> 00:22:43,920 Speaker 1: confident as otherwise was. And then he started to get 447 00:22:43,960 --> 00:22:47,520 Speaker 1: on the phone and moved back up to eighteen and 448 00:22:47,520 --> 00:22:50,879 Speaker 1: where we got him. But the beginning of that process 449 00:22:50,880 --> 00:22:52,639 Speaker 1: in that room was he was going to make it 450 00:22:52,680 --> 00:22:55,280 Speaker 1: down to where we are. And the more Steve asked 451 00:22:55,280 --> 00:22:59,040 Speaker 1: about everybody loves Joe Flacco, we all agree with that. 452 00:23:00,200 --> 00:23:02,119 Speaker 1: What if somebody trades up and loves him as much 453 00:23:02,119 --> 00:23:05,680 Speaker 1: as we we don't think that we've talked to Joe's agent. 454 00:23:05,760 --> 00:23:08,439 Speaker 1: We got we have so much information. All you know, 455 00:23:08,600 --> 00:23:10,199 Speaker 1: Eric's going, well, that team is not gonna take him. 456 00:23:10,200 --> 00:23:11,400 Speaker 1: That team is not going to take them. That team 457 00:23:11,440 --> 00:23:13,359 Speaker 1: is not going to take him. That team And then Steve, 458 00:23:13,600 --> 00:23:16,200 Speaker 1: where are so many trades up there? Okay, that team 459 00:23:16,280 --> 00:23:18,160 Speaker 1: is not gonna take him, and you can just see 460 00:23:18,200 --> 00:23:20,639 Speaker 1: a lot of ods. You go, maybe we should move up, 461 00:23:20,840 --> 00:23:24,440 Speaker 1: back up, And it turned out a great move comes 462 00:23:24,440 --> 00:23:26,560 Speaker 1: to the m v P of the Super Bowl forty 463 00:23:26,600 --> 00:23:31,760 Speaker 1: seven exactly because we had Oz. You used to say 464 00:23:31,800 --> 00:23:36,120 Speaker 1: this when you're in the desert, and then he calls 465 00:23:36,160 --> 00:23:38,640 Speaker 1: it the desert that there are two types of teams 466 00:23:38,640 --> 00:23:42,240 Speaker 1: in the NFL, those with quarterbacks and those looking for quarterbacks. 467 00:23:42,720 --> 00:23:45,560 Speaker 1: And if you're one of those without, we were without 468 00:23:45,760 --> 00:23:48,440 Speaker 1: from the very beginning. We had been out in the desert. 469 00:23:48,440 --> 00:23:52,040 Speaker 1: It's more than forty days and forty knights. We're looking 470 00:23:52,080 --> 00:23:56,200 Speaker 1: pretty frail. Yeah, and you gotta find your guy, and 471 00:23:56,320 --> 00:23:58,640 Speaker 1: you know, and and Steve was a good reminder that day, 472 00:23:58,680 --> 00:24:00,919 Speaker 1: saying we're out in the as or now, let's make 473 00:24:00,920 --> 00:24:04,560 Speaker 1: sure we get to the oasis. So I gotta imagine 474 00:24:04,560 --> 00:24:07,480 Speaker 1: one of the more hectic times in the draft room 475 00:24:07,480 --> 00:24:11,040 Speaker 1: was in two thousand eleven, the Jimmy Smith year, where 476 00:24:11,119 --> 00:24:14,080 Speaker 1: the time expired. There was a potential trade I think 477 00:24:14,080 --> 00:24:16,560 Speaker 1: with the Bears that that didn't happen, was it with 478 00:24:16,600 --> 00:24:19,920 Speaker 1: the Bears? And and so there's probably and then the 479 00:24:19,960 --> 00:24:22,280 Speaker 1: clock runs out and then it's okay, the Ravens don't 480 00:24:22,320 --> 00:24:24,080 Speaker 1: have a pick in that time? What was that moment? Like, 481 00:24:24,119 --> 00:24:27,000 Speaker 1: I gotta believe that was one of the more chaotic scenes. 482 00:24:27,600 --> 00:24:31,359 Speaker 1: It was Ozzie was I was always calm. So you 483 00:24:31,400 --> 00:24:33,639 Speaker 1: have a guy in the room who's on a headset 484 00:24:34,040 --> 00:24:36,440 Speaker 1: at that time to New York. This week it will 485 00:24:36,440 --> 00:24:40,520 Speaker 1: be Dallas and we'll be Dallas, right, Yeah. So they 486 00:24:40,800 --> 00:24:43,359 Speaker 1: the guys on the headset in the room at that time, 487 00:24:43,359 --> 00:24:47,760 Speaker 1: it was George Cokens and and Ozzie says to George, 488 00:24:48,480 --> 00:24:52,720 Speaker 1: tell them to take Jimmy's name up and just hand 489 00:24:52,760 --> 00:24:55,320 Speaker 1: it in right now. But we didn't know what was 490 00:24:55,359 --> 00:24:57,920 Speaker 1: going on with the clock, you know. And so that 491 00:24:58,000 --> 00:25:00,479 Speaker 1: was part of the get up there and beat the 492 00:25:00,480 --> 00:25:03,760 Speaker 1: other team just in case they're putting the same name 493 00:25:03,800 --> 00:25:07,160 Speaker 1: down and let them figure out who's up, who's next, 494 00:25:07,640 --> 00:25:12,000 Speaker 1: because we didn't think the clock was quite right then. 495 00:25:12,640 --> 00:25:15,520 Speaker 1: And uh, but Ozzie's in that process. Just do it, 496 00:25:15,600 --> 00:25:18,760 Speaker 1: do it, do it, and and and and it happens 497 00:25:18,800 --> 00:25:21,040 Speaker 1: that we get the guy we want a right. Yeah, 498 00:25:21,080 --> 00:25:24,919 Speaker 1: they the chiefs of Jonathan Baldwin, the wide receiver with 499 00:25:25,040 --> 00:25:28,119 Speaker 1: the thick that originally was the Ravens pick. That's funny. 500 00:25:28,119 --> 00:25:30,200 Speaker 1: It was like a race. He's like, if you see 501 00:25:30,200 --> 00:25:32,840 Speaker 1: a guy running there the car, you better hip check him. 502 00:25:33,040 --> 00:25:36,040 Speaker 1: Was in the room, like, tell him to get his 503 00:25:36,200 --> 00:25:39,040 Speaker 1: rare out up there. No, they say, hey, get the name, 504 00:25:39,240 --> 00:25:42,000 Speaker 1: go right there. Tell him right now quickly to go 505 00:25:42,080 --> 00:25:44,160 Speaker 1: up there and hand the name in. Well, I don't 506 00:25:44,160 --> 00:25:46,480 Speaker 1: care who's on the clock. Make them figure it out, 507 00:25:46,920 --> 00:25:48,840 Speaker 1: you know, make them figure it out. Interesting and that 508 00:25:48,920 --> 00:25:52,320 Speaker 1: was another good pick. That great. So what's one of 509 00:25:52,359 --> 00:25:54,240 Speaker 1: the times, you know, we don't want to ask you 510 00:25:54,240 --> 00:25:57,359 Speaker 1: what's the most hectic draft debate draft from debate, but 511 00:25:57,680 --> 00:26:00,159 Speaker 1: what's one that possed to mind that that was just 512 00:26:00,520 --> 00:26:04,399 Speaker 1: a crazy time in that draft room. Brian Billicks first draft, 513 00:26:05,000 --> 00:26:08,439 Speaker 1: you know, so Brian's in there, and Brian, Brian is 514 00:26:08,480 --> 00:26:12,840 Speaker 1: a powerful personality. So he's in the room, and Ozzie's 515 00:26:12,840 --> 00:26:16,679 Speaker 1: in charge and Art Model's there, and so Ozzy had 516 00:26:16,720 --> 00:26:20,679 Speaker 1: an offer from the Atlanta Falcons, who had beaten the 517 00:26:20,720 --> 00:26:23,600 Speaker 1: Minnesota Vikings with Brian Billick, you know, with that great 518 00:26:23,640 --> 00:26:26,639 Speaker 1: offense in the NFC Championship game, and then we hired 519 00:26:26,640 --> 00:26:30,560 Speaker 1: Brian right after. So Atlanta goes to the super Bowl, 520 00:26:30,680 --> 00:26:35,120 Speaker 1: they don't win. They're offering us next year's number one 521 00:26:36,160 --> 00:26:39,440 Speaker 1: for our second round pick. Ozzy said, that's a good deal, 522 00:26:40,720 --> 00:26:42,640 Speaker 1: and so Brian Billicks in there goes, I don't think 523 00:26:42,640 --> 00:26:45,480 Speaker 1: it's that good of a deal. He goes, they're gonna 524 00:26:45,480 --> 00:26:48,240 Speaker 1: have the thirty first pick in this draft. They're gonna 525 00:26:48,240 --> 00:26:51,439 Speaker 1: be good again next year. That first rounder could be 526 00:26:51,480 --> 00:26:53,880 Speaker 1: like close to a second round, right, Don't we need 527 00:26:53,960 --> 00:26:58,200 Speaker 1: players now, you know? And Ozzy said, yeah, yeah, I 528 00:26:58,400 --> 00:27:03,600 Speaker 1: agree with that. Brian and uh, And so it kind 529 00:27:03,600 --> 00:27:07,400 Speaker 1: of gets quiet about the selection. Now we're getting close 530 00:27:07,440 --> 00:27:10,480 Speaker 1: to our pick in the second round, and Ozzie turns 531 00:27:10,520 --> 00:27:14,359 Speaker 1: to Art without looking at Brian, he goes, I'm leaning 532 00:27:14,359 --> 00:27:18,240 Speaker 1: towards taking Atlantis, Uh, training that pick to Atlanta for 533 00:27:18,280 --> 00:27:21,360 Speaker 1: next year's first and Brian's like sitting there and going, 534 00:27:22,800 --> 00:27:25,760 Speaker 1: did you did you hear what I said? And then 535 00:27:25,760 --> 00:27:27,960 Speaker 1: Brian gets a little bal He goes, you know, the 536 00:27:28,119 --> 00:27:32,200 Speaker 1: reason I'm here is because we don't have enough good players. 537 00:27:32,600 --> 00:27:35,440 Speaker 1: And you know, and Ted marcher Bord is not I am. 538 00:27:35,600 --> 00:27:40,040 Speaker 1: We need good players now, you know, And well, I 539 00:27:40,080 --> 00:27:42,960 Speaker 1: don't want to wait till next year. And as you see, 540 00:27:42,960 --> 00:27:44,280 Speaker 1: I hear you on that. I hear that's the yeah. 541 00:27:44,320 --> 00:27:47,200 Speaker 1: Let's saying okay, you know. And then we get to 542 00:27:47,440 --> 00:27:51,359 Speaker 1: we're on the clock, and Oz he said, get Atlanta 543 00:27:51,359 --> 00:27:54,399 Speaker 1: on the phone, and Brian wa whoa, whoa, whoa, you know, 544 00:27:55,160 --> 00:27:59,199 Speaker 1: and Phil Savage is he wants to pick, you know. 545 00:27:59,320 --> 00:28:01,440 Speaker 1: He goes as with their players we like up there 546 00:28:01,520 --> 00:28:06,440 Speaker 1: right now, and I hear I hear everybody and uh 547 00:28:06,520 --> 00:28:09,680 Speaker 1: and then our kind of goes as he makes the pick. 548 00:28:10,520 --> 00:28:14,399 Speaker 1: And then he calmly said we'll take it. And he 549 00:28:14,440 --> 00:28:18,280 Speaker 1: didn't offer any conversation to Phil or Brian. He heard 550 00:28:18,280 --> 00:28:20,879 Speaker 1: what they said and he just comment said, we'll take it. 551 00:28:21,320 --> 00:28:23,360 Speaker 1: You know, you've got our second round, will take your 552 00:28:23,359 --> 00:28:26,399 Speaker 1: first next year. It turns out Atlanta went down the 553 00:28:26,400 --> 00:28:30,000 Speaker 1: tubes the following year. We get the fifth pick the 554 00:28:30,040 --> 00:28:32,879 Speaker 1: next year in the draft turns out to be Jamal Lewis, 555 00:28:33,600 --> 00:28:37,000 Speaker 1: who happens to take us to the Super Bowl the 556 00:28:37,000 --> 00:28:39,880 Speaker 1: following year, you know, because we could run the ball 557 00:28:39,880 --> 00:28:43,600 Speaker 1: with that monster who could run fast, and to me, 558 00:28:43,760 --> 00:28:46,800 Speaker 1: that was the most fascinating thing. As soon as Ozzy 559 00:28:46,880 --> 00:28:49,800 Speaker 1: makes that deal, Phil storms out of the room, Brian 560 00:28:49,880 --> 00:28:53,520 Speaker 1: Billick leaves the room, you know, and uh, and Ozzie 561 00:28:53,520 --> 00:28:55,280 Speaker 1: has to go down to each of the offices and 562 00:28:55,440 --> 00:28:59,280 Speaker 1: calm down and bring him back. But but he held 563 00:28:59,280 --> 00:29:02,040 Speaker 1: his ground. He in the end, somebody has to make 564 00:29:02,080 --> 00:29:07,280 Speaker 1: that decision. And Art did remind everybody that Ozzy makes 565 00:29:07,320 --> 00:29:10,360 Speaker 1: that decision. Art said it comedy too. He made that decision, 566 00:29:10,640 --> 00:29:13,520 Speaker 1: which at the time was stunning to Brian and Phil Savage. 567 00:29:14,280 --> 00:29:16,840 Speaker 1: So it was it was Jamal Lewis and then Travis 568 00:29:16,880 --> 00:29:22,240 Speaker 1: Taylor was our actual thing that year, right, But I 569 00:29:22,320 --> 00:29:24,440 Speaker 1: think the Ravens win the Super Bowl, that you're without 570 00:29:24,560 --> 00:29:27,480 Speaker 1: Jamal Lewis. No, we had Priest Holmes, that was the 571 00:29:27,520 --> 00:29:30,960 Speaker 1: other thing. We had Priest Tolmes, who was uh I 572 00:29:31,000 --> 00:29:32,840 Speaker 1: think I don't know if he went to the Pro Bowl, 573 00:29:32,880 --> 00:29:35,320 Speaker 1: but he had a thousand yards a year before. And 574 00:29:35,400 --> 00:29:38,520 Speaker 1: so at the beginning of the year, I remember asking 575 00:29:38,520 --> 00:29:41,960 Speaker 1: Ozzie about Jamal Why Jamal when we had priest and 576 00:29:42,080 --> 00:29:44,880 Speaker 1: he goes, WHOA, because you've given the ball the priest 577 00:29:45,840 --> 00:29:49,000 Speaker 1: on fourth and two or third and two. He can't 578 00:29:49,000 --> 00:29:52,240 Speaker 1: move the pile. Pile. This guy could move the pile, 579 00:29:52,720 --> 00:29:55,640 Speaker 1: break it and take off. So that's why we have 580 00:29:55,720 --> 00:29:58,920 Speaker 1: to have Jamal Lewis. And and by maybe the six 581 00:29:59,040 --> 00:30:02,480 Speaker 1: or seventh game of that rookie year, Brian Billicks started 582 00:30:02,520 --> 00:30:05,160 Speaker 1: putting Jamal out there with the first team and it 583 00:30:05,920 --> 00:30:09,000 Speaker 1: really got us going a little bit. Well, so when 584 00:30:09,000 --> 00:30:11,240 Speaker 1: you're in this room, these conversations are happening, and Isai's 585 00:30:11,240 --> 00:30:13,720 Speaker 1: on the phone, and you've got Brian Billick or John 586 00:30:13,760 --> 00:30:16,040 Speaker 1: Harball or Eric Costs, the Phil Savage, whoever it is, 587 00:30:16,160 --> 00:30:18,640 Speaker 1: given their two cents, And what is it that's kind 588 00:30:18,640 --> 00:30:22,760 Speaker 1: of under misunderstood or underappreciated about just the dynamics that 589 00:30:22,800 --> 00:30:25,200 Speaker 1: are taking place in that room. I mean, I think 590 00:30:25,240 --> 00:30:26,880 Speaker 1: a lot of people would love to be a fly 591 00:30:26,960 --> 00:30:29,520 Speaker 1: on the wall, but you have been there. What is 592 00:30:29,560 --> 00:30:32,040 Speaker 1: it that people don't get? I think the thing that 593 00:30:32,600 --> 00:30:36,680 Speaker 1: um I find surprising all the time is the work 594 00:30:36,800 --> 00:30:40,200 Speaker 1: is done, so it is very calm. So when well 595 00:30:40,280 --> 00:30:44,640 Speaker 1: we're when they're talking about let's use Marshall Yonder. Well, 596 00:30:44,680 --> 00:30:47,360 Speaker 1: Marshall Yonda is going to be there, So now I'm 597 00:30:47,840 --> 00:30:51,480 Speaker 1: kind of the outsider because I have been in the discussions. 598 00:30:51,920 --> 00:30:54,760 Speaker 1: So I'm sitting there and going, well, boy, i can't 599 00:30:54,760 --> 00:30:58,080 Speaker 1: wait to meet this guy, Marshall Yonda. And then Marshall 600 00:30:58,160 --> 00:31:02,600 Speaker 1: Yonda is taken by somebody else and I'm crestfallen and 601 00:31:02,840 --> 00:31:06,120 Speaker 1: the room doesn't react, and then it was simply okay, 602 00:31:06,200 --> 00:31:11,920 Speaker 1: the next guy is, you know, yeah, and so it's 603 00:31:11,960 --> 00:31:14,400 Speaker 1: just just that next guy. It's like the Eddy thing. 604 00:31:14,640 --> 00:31:17,720 Speaker 1: It's the next guy. It's the process. It's it's taking 605 00:31:17,800 --> 00:31:20,360 Speaker 1: Jamal Lewis when you have Priest's homes, it's taking Todd 606 00:31:20,400 --> 00:31:23,760 Speaker 1: Heat when you have Shannon Sharp. It's the next best player. 607 00:31:23,760 --> 00:31:25,920 Speaker 1: And it's and it's worked out very very well for us. 608 00:31:26,160 --> 00:31:28,880 Speaker 1: But there's a calm in the room. The only time 609 00:31:28,920 --> 00:31:32,760 Speaker 1: it gets chaotic is when Ozi's looking at it and 610 00:31:32,840 --> 00:31:36,120 Speaker 1: he's got a group of eight to ten players and 611 00:31:36,160 --> 00:31:39,200 Speaker 1: we're coming up to our pick. So he knows he 612 00:31:39,240 --> 00:31:43,040 Speaker 1: can get any of the eight and be happy because 613 00:31:43,040 --> 00:31:46,160 Speaker 1: they all have similar grades and they might be different 614 00:31:46,200 --> 00:31:49,400 Speaker 1: positions with the same grade. So as he sits there 615 00:31:50,000 --> 00:31:53,320 Speaker 1: and now he's he's going to trade down because I'm 616 00:31:53,320 --> 00:31:58,239 Speaker 1: getting the same quality at thirty five that I have 617 00:31:58,480 --> 00:32:01,800 Speaker 1: here at six, or whatever the case might be. And 618 00:32:01,880 --> 00:32:06,520 Speaker 1: so when the world knows that you're willing to trade that, 619 00:32:06,880 --> 00:32:10,479 Speaker 1: all of a sudden you might have five teams calling, 620 00:32:11,040 --> 00:32:13,960 Speaker 1: you know. And so to me, I'm looking at that 621 00:32:13,960 --> 00:32:18,680 Speaker 1: that it's it's it's like the floor of the stock market, 622 00:32:18,720 --> 00:32:22,000 Speaker 1: you know where people So so he'll go, Okay, Eric, 623 00:32:22,040 --> 00:32:24,440 Speaker 1: you'll be on the phone with Atlanta, you know. John 624 00:32:24,800 --> 00:32:28,120 Speaker 1: you'd be on the phone with San Francisco. Um, I'm 625 00:32:28,120 --> 00:32:31,400 Speaker 1: gonna keep Cleveland on the phone, you know. And Joe 626 00:32:31,480 --> 00:32:37,000 Speaker 1: Ortiz you take um Denver. As you'll say to to 627 00:32:37,080 --> 00:32:39,360 Speaker 1: the team he's on the phone, that's not good enough. 628 00:32:39,600 --> 00:32:42,160 Speaker 1: You had a sixth round to that, we're gonna have 629 00:32:42,200 --> 00:32:46,920 Speaker 1: a deal, and then simply put it over there. He goes, Okay, 630 00:32:46,920 --> 00:32:49,600 Speaker 1: who's got the best deal right now? And by the way, 631 00:32:49,600 --> 00:32:53,360 Speaker 1: a marble and Steve Bashatti is because there's a number 632 00:32:53,440 --> 00:32:59,320 Speaker 1: system there that that it tells you it's a good trade. Trade. 633 00:32:59,760 --> 00:33:02,480 Speaker 1: Pat Mariarity is that guy. And Pat's got his calculator 634 00:33:02,520 --> 00:33:05,040 Speaker 1: there and he's got his papers, you know. And Steve Will, 635 00:33:05,160 --> 00:33:07,959 Speaker 1: Steve Will look up it and goes the New Orleans 636 00:33:07,960 --> 00:33:11,840 Speaker 1: offers the best offer and passed them there like thirty 637 00:33:11,840 --> 00:33:17,680 Speaker 1: second later, goes the New Orleans offer and uh. And 638 00:33:17,720 --> 00:33:21,800 Speaker 1: then then Steve will go Cleveland's about thirty points, short 639 00:33:22,360 --> 00:33:28,040 Speaker 1: path comes back, Uh, Ozzy, Cleveland's about thirty points. So 640 00:33:29,080 --> 00:33:32,360 Speaker 1: Steve has just a master of a mind with the math, 641 00:33:32,480 --> 00:33:36,160 Speaker 1: and he loves he loves that scenario. And so finally 642 00:33:36,400 --> 00:33:40,320 Speaker 1: Ozzy will say, you know, to Eric, tell them they're out, 643 00:33:40,920 --> 00:33:46,320 Speaker 1: Telling New Orleans they're out. We're going now Atlanta versus Cincinnati, 644 00:33:46,760 --> 00:33:48,920 Speaker 1: and we'll go. Cincinnati is a bad example because they 645 00:33:48,920 --> 00:33:53,160 Speaker 1: don't trade Atlanta and Denver, you know. Uh. And then 646 00:33:53,160 --> 00:33:55,800 Speaker 1: they'll get on and say, okay, I'm taking Atlanta. Atlanta 647 00:33:55,960 --> 00:33:57,920 Speaker 1: said your offer is not good enough. I got an 648 00:33:57,960 --> 00:33:59,520 Speaker 1: offer from another team it's a little bit better. But 649 00:33:59,560 --> 00:34:01,600 Speaker 1: if you add that sixth rounder in the end, or 650 00:34:01,640 --> 00:34:04,040 Speaker 1: give us your fifth from next year for next year, 651 00:34:04,720 --> 00:34:07,080 Speaker 1: we can get this done right now. If not, I'm 652 00:34:07,080 --> 00:34:08,799 Speaker 1: going to make the deal with the other team. So 653 00:34:08,920 --> 00:34:12,000 Speaker 1: that's that's when it's like boo boo boom. Yeah, is 654 00:34:12,000 --> 00:34:14,600 Speaker 1: it true that Steve Shotti you would want to trade 655 00:34:14,719 --> 00:34:19,360 Speaker 1: in every round? Most likely trade back. He loves draft, 656 00:34:19,920 --> 00:34:23,800 Speaker 1: you know. But he I also remember a time. Uh 657 00:34:23,840 --> 00:34:27,479 Speaker 1: it was actually the Joe Flackle thing that that I'll 658 00:34:27,480 --> 00:34:30,480 Speaker 1: say very so many, very prominent was saying, I'm telling 659 00:34:30,520 --> 00:34:32,520 Speaker 1: you we could stick right where we are. We're gonna 660 00:34:32,520 --> 00:34:36,399 Speaker 1: get Flacco, and and Steve looked at that particular guy 661 00:34:36,600 --> 00:34:40,920 Speaker 1: and said, basically, don't be a pig of draft choices. 662 00:34:42,200 --> 00:34:44,399 Speaker 1: Let's go get the guy we love. You know. So 663 00:34:44,920 --> 00:34:46,919 Speaker 1: he can go both way. I've seen him go both ways, 664 00:34:46,920 --> 00:34:50,640 Speaker 1: but normally he's always looking at the calculations. What can 665 00:34:50,680 --> 00:34:53,000 Speaker 1: we get is he very involved in the discussions after 666 00:34:53,040 --> 00:34:54,839 Speaker 1: they're taking place on draft weekend? Or does he kind 667 00:34:54,840 --> 00:34:56,799 Speaker 1: of sit back and let things on fold in front 668 00:34:56,800 --> 00:34:59,160 Speaker 1: of him. He sits back, and he's he has an 669 00:34:59,239 --> 00:35:02,919 Speaker 1: uncanny ask the right questions, and he directs it all 670 00:35:03,160 --> 00:35:07,040 Speaker 1: at Ozzie and error, you know, and uh, just because 671 00:35:07,040 --> 00:35:08,920 Speaker 1: you guys have done the most work on it, he 672 00:35:09,000 --> 00:35:12,279 Speaker 1: respects that, and he'll just ask the question, hey, you 673 00:35:12,280 --> 00:35:14,800 Speaker 1: know what about this, and and Ozzie will be blunt 674 00:35:14,800 --> 00:35:16,840 Speaker 1: with the owner because there's no time for a conversation 675 00:35:16,840 --> 00:35:19,600 Speaker 1: to be nice. He goes, no, that's not a good situation. 676 00:35:19,640 --> 00:35:22,560 Speaker 1: That gets into a group of players that's one cut 677 00:35:22,600 --> 00:35:25,239 Speaker 1: below our current group of eight to ten players, So 678 00:35:25,239 --> 00:35:28,120 Speaker 1: we're gonna stay here, you know, or we're not going 679 00:35:28,160 --> 00:35:30,840 Speaker 1: back that far. Well, I wondered too how much Steve 680 00:35:30,920 --> 00:35:33,480 Speaker 1: is influenced by like mock drafts and stuff too, because 681 00:35:34,520 --> 00:35:36,799 Speaker 1: he talks about it. Unfortunately, he's a fan a lot 682 00:35:36,840 --> 00:35:38,919 Speaker 1: of the times, just like us, and we're reading stuff. 683 00:35:38,920 --> 00:35:41,439 Speaker 1: We're like, oh, we think this guy should go about here, 684 00:35:41,480 --> 00:35:44,080 Speaker 1: and then we can be completely wrong. Like the populations 685 00:35:44,239 --> 00:35:47,480 Speaker 1: right exactly. Nobody had Marlin Humprade sixteen, which led to 686 00:35:47,600 --> 00:35:52,000 Speaker 1: some people being like, I feel like a little disappointed fans. Well, 687 00:35:52,040 --> 00:35:56,040 Speaker 1: what happens is the media. You know, they're all writing 688 00:35:56,040 --> 00:35:59,520 Speaker 1: their mocks predicting. So if you don't, if you don't 689 00:35:59,520 --> 00:36:01,880 Speaker 1: do what they or Jack, well, they got to tell 690 00:36:01,880 --> 00:36:05,360 Speaker 1: their public that the team's wrong, not them. Forget the 691 00:36:05,400 --> 00:36:08,600 Speaker 1: guys who have spent three sixty five days preparing for this. 692 00:36:09,880 --> 00:36:12,920 Speaker 1: I have to think they should have taken the Ruben 693 00:36:12,960 --> 00:36:19,120 Speaker 1: Foster instead, you know. So there you you have to 694 00:36:19,920 --> 00:36:21,799 Speaker 1: just get that out of the way. But Steve does 695 00:36:21,880 --> 00:36:24,160 Speaker 1: come in there with that point of view. But in 696 00:36:24,200 --> 00:36:28,120 Speaker 1: the meantime, Steve is on the phone regularly with Ozzie, 697 00:36:28,280 --> 00:36:30,760 Speaker 1: Eric and John about what do we think of the receivers? 698 00:36:30,800 --> 00:36:32,520 Speaker 1: Who do we think is better? You know as it 699 00:36:32,640 --> 00:36:34,520 Speaker 1: Ridley is the kid from Maryland, who you know and 700 00:36:34,560 --> 00:36:37,440 Speaker 1: all that, So he's got enough of that base information 701 00:36:37,480 --> 00:36:43,120 Speaker 1: in there. I probably for the last maybe fifteen years, 702 00:36:44,000 --> 00:36:47,160 Speaker 1: don't hold the draft room to the daily draft, try 703 00:36:47,239 --> 00:36:50,120 Speaker 1: not to ask the questions about who we love. And 704 00:36:50,160 --> 00:36:53,240 Speaker 1: then when I go in there, I'm amazed because I've 705 00:36:53,360 --> 00:36:55,840 Speaker 1: read all the mock drafts to see our listing of 706 00:36:56,120 --> 00:36:59,560 Speaker 1: and say, holy look who we have number one? And 707 00:36:59,600 --> 00:37:02,000 Speaker 1: look who eybody else has number one? You know, it's 708 00:37:02,040 --> 00:37:06,000 Speaker 1: it is pretty startling at times. You know, it's not 709 00:37:06,600 --> 00:37:10,880 Speaker 1: awful lot because there's a lot of information share um 710 00:37:10,920 --> 00:37:13,440 Speaker 1: and really we would like to draft earlier. We want 711 00:37:13,480 --> 00:37:15,480 Speaker 1: to draft in February because we think we're better at it. 712 00:37:15,800 --> 00:37:18,480 Speaker 1: But you go on that room, they go, so that's 713 00:37:18,520 --> 00:37:22,320 Speaker 1: who we think the number one quarterback is why the 714 00:37:22,400 --> 00:37:26,239 Speaker 1: world if the world only knew this, or holy how 715 00:37:26,280 --> 00:37:28,360 Speaker 1: we think that running back is better than that running 716 00:37:28,360 --> 00:37:31,040 Speaker 1: back boy, the world would be stunned by that, you know, right, 717 00:37:31,400 --> 00:37:33,520 Speaker 1: that is so cool. One of these days, like a 718 00:37:33,600 --> 00:37:36,120 Speaker 1: hundred years from now. Man, if the if our draft 719 00:37:36,120 --> 00:37:39,759 Speaker 1: boards are ever to be released, it would be so fascinating, 720 00:37:39,840 --> 00:37:42,640 Speaker 1: how it would be amazing. That will never happen, but 721 00:37:43,280 --> 00:37:46,400 Speaker 1: it would be amazing. What about what about Eric? What's 722 00:37:46,400 --> 00:37:48,719 Speaker 1: he like? Uh? What do you think he's going to 723 00:37:48,800 --> 00:37:51,960 Speaker 1: be like as a general manager? And first of all, 724 00:37:51,960 --> 00:37:53,560 Speaker 1: the first question is has he ever gotten you with 725 00:37:53,600 --> 00:37:59,600 Speaker 1: the prank? Of course, Erica, You know when you spend 726 00:37:59,640 --> 00:38:02,160 Speaker 1: a lot of your life sitting at your desk looking 727 00:38:02,200 --> 00:38:05,360 Speaker 1: at tape over and over again to find those gems, 728 00:38:05,440 --> 00:38:07,480 Speaker 1: or to study the great players and see why they're 729 00:38:07,520 --> 00:38:11,480 Speaker 1: great and whether we can get him or not. When 730 00:38:11,480 --> 00:38:13,960 Speaker 1: you take a break, you like to have fun. And Eric, 731 00:38:14,360 --> 00:38:16,440 Speaker 1: does you know he has not terrorized me in the 732 00:38:16,480 --> 00:38:20,160 Speaker 1: sense of the way he terrorized Pat Moriar. But you 733 00:38:20,239 --> 00:38:22,480 Speaker 1: always have to be careful, you know, you're you get 734 00:38:22,520 --> 00:38:25,239 Speaker 1: on the bus, you know, on the road, and you 735 00:38:25,280 --> 00:38:26,920 Speaker 1: go through the back of the bus to use the 736 00:38:26,920 --> 00:38:29,640 Speaker 1: bathroom and you come back your bag's gone, you know, 737 00:38:30,080 --> 00:38:34,600 Speaker 1: did I take the bag off the plane? Did I? Hi? Bag? Eric? 738 00:38:40,520 --> 00:38:41,960 Speaker 1: How do you how do you think you are excited 739 00:38:42,000 --> 00:38:43,960 Speaker 1: to see him kind of moving to that role? And 740 00:38:44,480 --> 00:38:46,759 Speaker 1: I think I think it's an amazing story in this 741 00:38:46,800 --> 00:38:50,160 Speaker 1: world where everybody's just advances. They just jumped from one 742 00:38:50,200 --> 00:38:54,279 Speaker 1: to the other, you know, and it's amazing that he 743 00:38:54,320 --> 00:38:59,120 Speaker 1: has stayed that. He's a he's a he's he's pure 744 00:38:59,160 --> 00:39:03,640 Speaker 1: of heart. So he's made a family and an organizational decision. 745 00:39:03,719 --> 00:39:07,200 Speaker 1: Your family first, Why should I move my kids? And 746 00:39:07,320 --> 00:39:09,680 Speaker 1: look at the history of guys who left that room. 747 00:39:09,719 --> 00:39:12,359 Speaker 1: Phil Savage goes to Cleveland, doesn't do very well. George 748 00:39:12,400 --> 00:39:16,239 Speaker 1: Kinnis goes to Cleveland, doesn't do very well. Now that 749 00:39:16,480 --> 00:39:19,480 Speaker 1: probably reflects Cleveland a little bit because both of these 750 00:39:19,520 --> 00:39:22,359 Speaker 1: guys I think could have succeeded. But once you get 751 00:39:22,400 --> 00:39:25,120 Speaker 1: that mark, it's hard to get back in, as Scott Pioli, 752 00:39:25,200 --> 00:39:27,520 Speaker 1: for example, is finding out right now not being a 753 00:39:27,520 --> 00:39:31,319 Speaker 1: head guy and assistant at Atlanta. So Eric just said, 754 00:39:31,400 --> 00:39:33,799 Speaker 1: you know what, I don't have to go to all 755 00:39:33,880 --> 00:39:38,160 Speaker 1: these teams that are offering me and mostly you know, 756 00:39:38,239 --> 00:39:41,080 Speaker 1: you look, there's a reason they're looking for me because 757 00:39:41,080 --> 00:39:43,080 Speaker 1: they're not very good, or they're the owner is not 758 00:39:43,320 --> 00:39:47,719 Speaker 1: very stable, or the owner interferes. And so he had 759 00:39:47,719 --> 00:39:50,400 Speaker 1: recognizes this a good situation. He has a great rapport 760 00:39:51,000 --> 00:39:55,239 Speaker 1: with UH Steve Baschatti and and John Harbor. So I 761 00:39:55,280 --> 00:39:57,600 Speaker 1: think it's going to be very, very smooth. I think 762 00:39:57,600 --> 00:40:00,279 Speaker 1: he will do things differently. I think he you know, 763 00:40:00,360 --> 00:40:02,840 Speaker 1: I think he has very clear ideas of what he 764 00:40:02,880 --> 00:40:06,160 Speaker 1: wants to do. But he'll never do it out of 765 00:40:06,239 --> 00:40:10,319 Speaker 1: disrespect to Ozzy. But he will do things differently, and 766 00:40:10,360 --> 00:40:13,160 Speaker 1: he is ready for this challenge. He clearly is ready. 767 00:40:13,560 --> 00:40:15,680 Speaker 1: I think you know, fans can't get excited about it, said, 768 00:40:16,200 --> 00:40:18,120 Speaker 1: what does it mean? It's just the same thing, the 769 00:40:18,200 --> 00:40:20,480 Speaker 1: same process. No, it's gonna be a little different. I 770 00:40:20,480 --> 00:40:24,200 Speaker 1: think it's interest lastly, thirty seven years of the Ozzie needs. 771 00:40:24,640 --> 00:40:27,759 Speaker 1: It's like a good marriage. Were like an old Mary cup. 772 00:40:28,480 --> 00:40:30,200 Speaker 1: His office is next to my We sit next to 773 00:40:30,239 --> 00:40:32,480 Speaker 1: each other on our charters, you know, and and and 774 00:40:32,600 --> 00:40:35,480 Speaker 1: the flight attender will come by and and he'll be 775 00:40:35,520 --> 00:40:37,799 Speaker 1: in the bathroom. We're back talking to a player up 776 00:40:37,800 --> 00:40:41,080 Speaker 1: with John talking to John Harbaugh. And she'll have something 777 00:40:41,200 --> 00:40:45,000 Speaker 1: and I'll say he didn't want that, and he does 778 00:40:45,040 --> 00:40:46,960 Speaker 1: the same for me, you know. So I'll come back 779 00:40:47,000 --> 00:40:49,279 Speaker 1: and there'll be something I like and go, I thought 780 00:40:49,280 --> 00:40:54,120 Speaker 1: you'd want that. Ah. Thanks. So when he when he 781 00:40:54,200 --> 00:40:57,239 Speaker 1: does step down, in gosh, it's gonna come seer than 782 00:40:57,280 --> 00:40:59,160 Speaker 1: we all want year at the end of the season. 783 00:40:59,600 --> 00:41:02,600 Speaker 1: Do you it's gonna be tough for him emotionally that 784 00:41:02,600 --> 00:41:07,040 Speaker 1: that transition will be I really do? You know? He 785 00:41:07,120 --> 00:41:10,799 Speaker 1: works so hard at it. I think he understands that 786 00:41:11,200 --> 00:41:14,160 Speaker 1: he'll probably be healthier. You know, he likes to take 787 00:41:14,160 --> 00:41:16,560 Speaker 1: care of himself, so he has a chance to be healthier, 788 00:41:17,040 --> 00:41:20,520 Speaker 1: still have the input, But you know, I'm going to 789 00:41:20,880 --> 00:41:24,440 Speaker 1: his office in the middle of February. We're not in 790 00:41:24,520 --> 00:41:28,200 Speaker 1: the playoffs, and on a four o'clock on a Friday afternoon, 791 00:41:28,239 --> 00:41:31,360 Speaker 1: and he's looking at tape that's got a grind at you. 792 00:41:31,560 --> 00:41:34,160 Speaker 1: It's just grind at you, you know, And so I 793 00:41:34,200 --> 00:41:37,360 Speaker 1: think getting out of that grind will be helpful. But 794 00:41:37,520 --> 00:41:41,560 Speaker 1: having his wisdom still in the building in whatever way 795 00:41:41,719 --> 00:41:45,319 Speaker 1: that he decides, that's pretty powerful. How many teams would 796 00:41:45,360 --> 00:41:48,719 Speaker 1: pay for that? Seriously, if Ozzie newsoon we're out there 797 00:41:48,760 --> 00:41:52,879 Speaker 1: on the open market, holy cow. Right, well, Kevin, thank 798 00:41:52,880 --> 00:41:55,040 Speaker 1: you very much for doing this. Enjoy the draft this 799 00:41:55,080 --> 00:41:57,799 Speaker 1: week and we're excited about it. Well, guys, yeah, we'll 800 00:41:57,800 --> 00:42:01,120 Speaker 1: try to get some sleep between now and I'll trying 801 00:42:01,120 --> 00:42:03,560 Speaker 1: to do the same, and I'm hopefully Azzie and Eric 802 00:42:03,600 --> 00:42:06,279 Speaker 1: and Joe Ortiz will do the same too. Cool. Thank you, 803 00:42:06,520 --> 00:42:09,040 Speaker 1: thank you, welcome guys, Thanks so thank you very much 804 00:42:09,040 --> 00:42:12,239 Speaker 1: to Kevin for joining us today. Definitely enjoy the conversation. 805 00:42:12,400 --> 00:42:14,200 Speaker 1: The draft is just a fun time. There's lots of 806 00:42:14,200 --> 00:42:17,080 Speaker 1: exciting things happening. And if you're looking for things to do, 807 00:42:17,160 --> 00:42:18,920 Speaker 1: if you're local and you're in the Baltimore area and 808 00:42:18,960 --> 00:42:21,399 Speaker 1: you're looking for things to do this weekend to kind 809 00:42:21,400 --> 00:42:24,600 Speaker 1: of celebrate the draft around other members are the Ravens Flock. 810 00:42:24,719 --> 00:42:27,120 Speaker 1: We have a flock party coming up on Thursday. It's 811 00:42:27,160 --> 00:42:29,759 Speaker 1: the first round of the draft on April that's at 812 00:42:29,840 --> 00:42:32,960 Speaker 1: High Tops Backstage Grill. And then on Saturday, you gotta 813 00:42:33,000 --> 00:42:34,879 Speaker 1: come downtown to the Inner Harbor. We have a draft 814 00:42:34,920 --> 00:42:37,680 Speaker 1: fest from eleven to four pm. It's completely free. We're 815 00:42:37,719 --> 00:42:40,120 Speaker 1: gonna have a bunch of players there. Uh, So you 816 00:42:40,200 --> 00:42:41,719 Speaker 1: need to come out and check that out. It's gonna 817 00:42:41,719 --> 00:42:44,399 Speaker 1: be a blast. It should be nice weather. We're keeping 818 00:42:44,400 --> 00:42:47,040 Speaker 1: our fingers crossed for that. Uh. The first round pick, 819 00:42:47,080 --> 00:42:49,040 Speaker 1: whoever we take Thursday night, will also be at that 820 00:42:49,120 --> 00:42:51,879 Speaker 1: draft fest Saturday, so we'll have a chance to see 821 00:42:51,960 --> 00:42:55,040 Speaker 1: him up close and personal. So lots of exciting stuff. 822 00:42:55,040 --> 00:42:57,200 Speaker 1: We're looking forward to it, um, and thank you very 823 00:42:57,239 --> 00:42:59,640 Speaker 1: much for listening. Enjoy the draft this weekend, and we 824 00:42:59,719 --> 00:43:07,759 Speaker 1: will be back with you next week.