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Speaker 1: Hello everyone, Welcome back to the NFL Week thirteen Fantasy

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Speaker 1: Flex on the Action Network Podcast. I'm Matthew Freeman, the

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Speaker 1: editor in chief of Fantasy Labs. With me as always

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Speaker 1: is Sean Corner and Chris Raymond. Shawn is our director

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Speaker 1: of predictive Analytics and one of the top end season

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Speaker 1: fantasy football rankers for the past half decade. And Chris

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Speaker 1: is a senior editor and analyst at the Action Network

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Speaker 1: and a co host of the Action Network show on

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Speaker 1: Serious XM Fantasy Radio. And then joining us is a

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Speaker 1: Fantasy Flex og Peter Jenning's akacs Ram eighty eight, a

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Speaker 1: two time DFS World champion and a co founder of

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Speaker 1: Fantasy Labs. First of all, Happy Thanksgiving to everyone, especially

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Speaker 1: to our listeners.

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Speaker 2: Happy Thanksgiving gamblers.

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Speaker 4: We're thankful for you.

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Speaker 1: Secondly, Pete, I want to kick it to you. What

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Speaker 1: food are you most looking forward to eating on Thanksgiving.

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Speaker 4: I'm looking forward to the pies. I'm not some savage

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Speaker 4: I know that's a popular take. I'm looking forward to

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Speaker 4: the pies. Try to be disciplined my diet. Thanksgiving that's

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Speaker 4: out the window. We got football, so it should be

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Speaker 4: a lot of fun.

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Speaker 1: Any inclination is to wit type of pie you're going

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Speaker 4: I'll probably have pumpkin, cherry and key lime. I'm a

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Speaker 4: huge key lime pie guy. Key Lime pie is not

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Speaker 4: I'll have that of course as well.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, call me old fashioned. I think every type of

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Speaker 1: pie is a Thanksgiving pie. But I'm a pie truther, Raymond,

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Speaker 1: what about you.

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Speaker 2: I'm a big stuffing guy.

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Speaker 3: Stuff and something you don't really get to have too

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Speaker 3: looking forward to that.

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Speaker 2: And I agree with Pete. I'm big on pie.

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Speaker 3: Apple pie is probably my favorite, but pumpkin pie this

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Speaker 1: All right, corner, what about you For the food, I'm

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Speaker 1: all about pumpkin pie with just a dollop of whip cream.

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Speaker 5: I hate turkey, so I fade turkey. That's not the

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Speaker 5: part I look forward to on Thanksgiving. I'm all about

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Speaker 1: Speaking of Thanksgiving, in this episode, we're going to take

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Speaker 1: a look at the three game at Thanksgiving slate, and

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Speaker 1: then after that we're breaking down the players at the

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Speaker 1: top of our rankings, which are available at actionnetwork dot

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Speaker 1: com slash Fantasy. We were discussing the guys we are

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Speaker 1: Let's jump into week thirteen for the three games slate

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Speaker 1: on Thanksgiving. We have the Bears at the Lions. I

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Speaker 1: don't know why anyone wants to watch that game other

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Speaker 1: to you first year in terms of how to approach

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Speaker 1: are your thoughts for how people should be approaching these games.

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Speaker 4: You don't need me to tell you to start.

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Speaker 5: Dak Prescott, Zeke Elliott, Alvin Kamara, Mike Thomas, those guys.

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Speaker 5: updated rankings Thursday morning, and you know, play the guys

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Speaker 5: sharp strategies for Thanksgiving. Number one, as always, don't use

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Speaker 5: So Randall Cobb plays Thursday, AJ Brown plays Sunday. They're

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Speaker 1: Okay, Pete. In terms of DFS strategy, it's a short slate,

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Speaker 1: it's different than your typical showdown slate, which is one game.

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Speaker 4: Well, this is one of the best holidays from a

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Speaker 4: In terms of strategy, you have to be aware of

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Speaker 4: And I think roster construction is going to be really tricky.

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Speaker 1: probably Wednesday night or Thursday. Everyone should be sure to

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Speaker 3: First of all, I do want to reinforce the late swap.

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Speaker 4: Well, Rayboon just mentioned the core group of guys you're

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Speaker 4: I think Michael Thomas is definitely a lock. He's basically

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Speaker 4: But he's basically a mid price over on fandal and

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And to talk about Russell Gage Raymond, you mentioned him.

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Speaker 4: You mentioned Russell Wilson. Yeah, Russell Wilson's I was gonna

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Speaker 1: So Pete, I'm with you there on Kyler Murray. He's

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Speaker 1: So I really like the matchup for him. Sean, who

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Speaker 5: So right now, I'm pretty high on Nick Foles right now,

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Speaker 1: Raymond, who are you relatively high on?

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Speaker 3: On a ma SLI It's actually tighter pricing, so you know,

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Speaker 2: So those two guys stand out for me, all.

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Speaker 1: Right in terms of a player that you are relatively

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Speaker 4: Well, I think the spot that would be really high on,

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Speaker 1: Sean. What about you? Who are you relatively low on

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Speaker 5: So I'm low on Baker Mayfield. He's all the way

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Speaker 5: I'm not sure why he's price So Hi is going

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Speaker 5: He doesn't really have the rushing upside to even be

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Speaker 5: I said, I'm gonna be sticking with guys probably under

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Speaker 4: Up to get Lamara Mahomes. But I want nothing to

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Speaker 1: Raybond, what about you, uh?

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Speaker 3: You know on the UH, I believes this Sunday night game.

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Speaker 3: Just in terms of rankings, Deshaun Watson, who's usually in

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Speaker 2: That's it's gonna be a real tough spot, uh for him.

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Speaker 3: And in terms of guys on the on the main slate,

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Speaker 2: Against Arizona.

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Speaker 3: They've they've given up a lot of production, but I

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Speaker 2: You know, It's just it's just been the offensive line.

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Speaker 1: Sean, I want to kick it to you for our

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Speaker 1: quarterback prop. By the way, everyone should check out the

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Speaker 1: prop tool, the player prop tool at Fantasy Labs. Over

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Speaker 1: the past year, going back to the twenty eighteen season,

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Speaker 1: the props with a bet quality of ten have a

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Speaker 1: sixty percent win rate. So bou yah for us, Sean,

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Speaker 1: give us the prop.

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Speaker 5: So I want to do Lamar Jackson DK points against

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Speaker 5: the forty nine ers. We all know it's a tough matchup,

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Speaker 1: I have it projected for under. I want to take

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Speaker 3: I'll go just under the I think it is a

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Speaker 2: As of way.

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Speaker 3: Just because it will probably go down as the toughest

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Speaker 4: I get the under. He's average. After this game, he's

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Speaker 4: We saw against DO England he got twenty eight point

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Speaker 4: I get the number. I think it's sharp, and in general,

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Speaker 4: I want to be betting under. Shanza a sharp guy.

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Speaker 4: But man, just as I said that, he just completed

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Speaker 1: knowing that Sean is sharp and will inflate the lines

436
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Speaker 1: wherever he has a chance to do so to take

437
00:20:17,160 --> 00:20:19,679
Speaker 1: advantage of the bias that I bring to it. So

438
00:20:20,119 --> 00:20:22,560
Speaker 1: I will take the under to try to counterbalance that.

439
00:20:22,920 --> 00:20:25,560
Speaker 1: Let's talk about the running backs. The guys at the

440
00:20:25,560 --> 00:20:28,840
Speaker 1: top of our rankings right now, Christian McCaffrey, Dalvin Cook,

441
00:20:28,920 --> 00:20:33,760
Speaker 1: Ezekiel Elliott probably not a surprise on those three, but Pete,

442
00:20:34,040 --> 00:20:36,639
Speaker 1: is there anyone else that you would want to include

443
00:20:36,760 --> 00:20:40,240
Speaker 1: in the top tier of running backs for this week? Yeah?

444
00:20:40,359 --> 00:20:43,600
Speaker 4: Those guys are all obviously awesome, you know. Chris McCaffrey

445
00:20:43,640 --> 00:20:45,840
Speaker 4: was so impressive in this last week, and now I

446
00:20:45,880 --> 00:20:48,359
Speaker 4: was facing the Redskins, so it's just a dream scenario.

447
00:20:48,680 --> 00:20:51,000
Speaker 4: A guy I'd love to include is Saquon Barkley, but

448
00:20:51,240 --> 00:20:53,439
Speaker 4: I have been just dead wrong on him. He's been awful,

449
00:20:53,440 --> 00:20:56,399
Speaker 4: and I think that's really their offensive line and play calling,

450
00:20:56,440 --> 00:20:58,280
Speaker 4: so he's not gonna be in that category, even though

451
00:20:58,280 --> 00:21:00,800
Speaker 4: he normally would be. We have these aras owner running backs.

452
00:21:00,920 --> 00:21:03,160
Speaker 4: I'm not sure what's going to happen after the buye.

453
00:21:03,800 --> 00:21:05,400
Speaker 4: You have the same kind of situation with the Chiefs

454
00:21:05,480 --> 00:21:07,360
Speaker 4: running backs where you have a huge team total. So

455
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Speaker 4: I don't really see anyone who would be in like

456
00:21:09,240 --> 00:21:13,600
Speaker 4: that category or tier. Leonard Fournette would be probably the

457
00:21:13,640 --> 00:21:15,800
Speaker 4: next guy for me on the list coming off a

458
00:21:15,800 --> 00:21:18,920
Speaker 4: really big game. Timpa Bay is a funnel towards the past,

459
00:21:19,000 --> 00:21:21,600
Speaker 4: but so Leonard Furnette really heavily involved in the passing game,

460
00:21:21,640 --> 00:21:24,040
Speaker 4: and granted they were playing from behind, but he'd probably

461
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Speaker 4: be the next guy that I would look at that

462
00:21:26,520 --> 00:21:28,960
Speaker 4: I think is potentially in that tier. And of course

463
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Speaker 4: Derek Henry, you know, depending on the format you're playing,

464
00:21:31,920 --> 00:21:33,960
Speaker 4: his numbers in November and December as we get into

465
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Speaker 4: like the more physical part of the season have just

466
00:21:35,520 --> 00:21:37,600
Speaker 4: been ridiculous coming off a big game as well. I

467
00:21:37,640 --> 00:21:39,800
Speaker 4: think those are kind of the next year, but certainly

468
00:21:39,920 --> 00:21:42,400
Speaker 4: below Christian McCaffrey and Dalvin Cook.

469
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Speaker 1: I still like Saquon this week. I don't have him

470
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Speaker 1: as one of the top two guys, but I do

471
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Speaker 1: like his matchup going against the Packers, who have been

472
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Speaker 1: top four and a fantasy points against for the running

473
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Speaker 1: back position. So I still think it's a relatively good

474
00:21:56,720 --> 00:21:59,439
Speaker 1: matchup for him. Even though his offensive line isn't blocking

475
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Speaker 1: as well as it could. That offense with you know,

476
00:22:03,000 --> 00:22:07,239
Speaker 1: it's it's three receivers back should probably be better than

477
00:22:07,280 --> 00:22:09,960
Speaker 1: it has been. And uh, obviously Saquan still has the

478
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Speaker 1: potential to get some production through the air, So I

479
00:22:12,680 --> 00:22:15,920
Speaker 1: still like him. I wouldn't want him above above McCaffrey

480
00:22:15,920 --> 00:22:17,919
Speaker 1: ain't cook, but I think right now I do have

481
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Speaker 1: him slotted in as my number three running back. Raybond,

482
00:22:22,240 --> 00:22:24,719
Speaker 1: who is someone or a couple of runners you are

483
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Speaker 1: relatively high on, you.

484
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Speaker 2: Know, Waveon Bell is another guy.

485
00:22:27,640 --> 00:22:30,159
Speaker 3: I think he's not in that obviously not in that

486
00:22:30,240 --> 00:22:32,639
Speaker 3: McCaffrey cooked here, but he has kind of a he

487
00:22:32,680 --> 00:22:35,680
Speaker 3: could easily be that that third guy, you know, another

488
00:22:35,920 --> 00:22:37,800
Speaker 3: just another one of these good matchups for him. He

489
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Speaker 3: continues to be involved in the run and the pass game,

490
00:22:41,400 --> 00:22:44,680
Speaker 3: so you know, at this point, you know you're you're

491
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Speaker 3: probably just as confident in him as you are. And

492
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Speaker 3: a guy like Saquon, who, by the way, I think

493
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Speaker 3: he dropped a pass that could have gone for like

494
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Speaker 3: a fifty three yard touchdown. So yeah, you know, take

495
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Speaker 3: that for what you made. You know, Saquon's not not

496
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Speaker 3: dead or anything like that. But Waveon Bell is a

497
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Speaker 3: guy who you know, the Jets offense has been playing

498
00:23:00,560 --> 00:23:04,000
Speaker 3: more consistently better. They've been playing good run defense, which

499
00:23:04,000 --> 00:23:06,480
Speaker 3: gives them the opportunity to play some ball control on

500
00:23:06,480 --> 00:23:08,720
Speaker 3: the other side and get the ball back for their offense.

501
00:23:09,160 --> 00:23:11,439
Speaker 3: Josh Jacobs is a guy you know, can kind of

502
00:23:11,440 --> 00:23:13,160
Speaker 3: buy a low on him coming off a bad game,

503
00:23:13,600 --> 00:23:15,359
Speaker 3: and that whole offense coming off a bad game. This

504
00:23:15,520 --> 00:23:18,240
Speaker 3: Chiefs run defense one of the worst in the league.

505
00:23:18,280 --> 00:23:20,760
Speaker 3: So we saw Derrick Henry a couple of weeks ago.

506
00:23:20,840 --> 00:23:22,879
Speaker 3: It was a real big game against them, And I

507
00:23:22,880 --> 00:23:25,280
Speaker 3: think Jacobs is another guy. And both of those guys

508
00:23:25,320 --> 00:23:28,639
Speaker 3: a Bell seventy two hundred, Jacobs sixty nine hundred, have

509
00:23:28,840 --> 00:23:33,760
Speaker 3: that upside to match, you know, like a high twenties,

510
00:23:33,960 --> 00:23:38,600
Speaker 3: low thirties game that you know that McCaffrey's pretty much

511
00:23:38,800 --> 00:23:40,000
Speaker 3: almost a lock to put up.

512
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Speaker 1: All right, Sean, what about you? Who are you relatively

513
00:23:42,880 --> 00:23:44,000
Speaker 1: high on Peter?

514
00:23:44,119 --> 00:23:46,200
Speaker 4: He stole my guy, you know, for all the same reasons.

515
00:23:46,280 --> 00:23:47,000
Speaker 4: Leonard Fournette.

516
00:23:47,359 --> 00:23:49,840
Speaker 5: You know, this is a tough matchup against the Buccaneers,

517
00:23:49,880 --> 00:23:52,280
Speaker 5: like I mentioned earlier, clearly a past final defense. But

518
00:23:52,560 --> 00:23:54,520
Speaker 5: they'll be able to get around that by just dumping

519
00:23:54,520 --> 00:23:57,480
Speaker 5: it off to him average eight catches the past two games.

520
00:23:57,480 --> 00:24:00,800
Speaker 5: And I especially that you know Foles taking over, he'll

521
00:24:00,840 --> 00:24:03,560
Speaker 5: be he'll opt to you know, dump down to four

522
00:24:03,560 --> 00:24:06,399
Speaker 5: Nett more than you know, running the ball. So that

523
00:24:06,440 --> 00:24:09,960
Speaker 5: wasn't too surprising. But you know that the double down game,

524
00:24:10,080 --> 00:24:12,800
Speaker 5: the two touchdown game, was a long time coming.

525
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Speaker 4: That was not a fluke.

526
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Speaker 5: I've been calling you know he's gonna have the volume

527
00:24:17,320 --> 00:24:19,400
Speaker 5: going forward, but you know he was due for touchdown,

528
00:24:19,440 --> 00:24:20,840
Speaker 5: So I don't think that was fluky. I don't think

529
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Speaker 5: he's point chasey. So he's a steal at seven point

530
00:24:24,960 --> 00:24:27,320
Speaker 5: five K. I believe I'm still a good value for

531
00:24:27,359 --> 00:24:30,720
Speaker 5: him this week. And then Philip Lindsay, you know, the

532
00:24:30,960 --> 00:24:33,560
Speaker 5: Broncos had mentioned heading into Week eleven they wanted to

533
00:24:33,600 --> 00:24:37,080
Speaker 5: make him the workhorse back and they've stuck to their word.

534
00:24:37,160 --> 00:24:39,440
Speaker 5: You know, he's He's had thirty two touches to Royce

535
00:24:39,480 --> 00:24:42,959
Speaker 5: Freeman's thirteen the past two games. Unfortunately, you know, they

536
00:24:43,000 --> 00:24:45,200
Speaker 5: were blown out last week, so we didn't see really

537
00:24:45,280 --> 00:24:47,919
Speaker 5: the production you'd expect from Lindsay. But you know, I

538
00:24:47,920 --> 00:24:50,399
Speaker 5: think he's gonna be the workhorse back down the stretch

539
00:24:51,000 --> 00:24:53,480
Speaker 5: and this this should be a closer game against the Chargers.

540
00:24:53,480 --> 00:24:55,040
Speaker 5: So like him a lot at five K. I think

541
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Speaker 5: he has a ton of upside here. I think we

542
00:24:57,000 --> 00:24:59,240
Speaker 5: can bank on him, you know, seeing a higher portion

543
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Speaker 5: of the workload than we've seen the first half of

544
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Speaker 5: the season.

545
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Speaker 1: All right, Pete at running back? Who are you relatively

546
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Speaker 1: low on?

547
00:25:06,760 --> 00:25:10,560
Speaker 4: Well, the Saquon thing that I that Raybond just brought up.

548
00:25:10,680 --> 00:25:14,159
Speaker 4: I saw that catch desperately needed him in some tournaments,

549
00:25:14,320 --> 00:25:18,159
Speaker 4: and just man, I don't blame Saquon. He's still a

550
00:25:18,240 --> 00:25:21,480
Speaker 4: generational player. I really believe that. I know it's something

551
00:25:21,600 --> 00:25:23,639
Speaker 4: I brought up earlier in the year, but I have

552
00:25:23,720 --> 00:25:26,120
Speaker 4: not seen this athletic of a runner since Adrian Peterson.

553
00:25:26,160 --> 00:25:28,840
Speaker 4: It's really the play calling in the offensive line. But

554
00:25:28,880 --> 00:25:34,199
Speaker 4: I'm still relatively low on him this week. I'm just

555
00:25:34,240 --> 00:25:37,400
Speaker 4: not trusting this team. I think the Packers can play

556
00:25:37,440 --> 00:25:39,679
Speaker 4: well in this spot after just a total dud. So

557
00:25:40,359 --> 00:25:42,600
Speaker 4: that'd be the guy that I'm relatively low on. I

558
00:25:42,640 --> 00:25:44,639
Speaker 4: really like the Levey on Bell call as well. I

559
00:25:44,640 --> 00:25:45,960
Speaker 4: was going to bring him up. So I just want

560
00:25:45,960 --> 00:25:48,200
Speaker 4: to emphasize we want to be taking guys against the

561
00:25:48,200 --> 00:25:51,439
Speaker 4: Cincinnati team. So that one guy I'm definitely low on

562
00:25:51,480 --> 00:25:56,920
Speaker 4: relative to the field is Sean.

563
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Speaker 1: What about you, who are you relatively low on?

564
00:25:58,480 --> 00:26:00,719
Speaker 5: So last week I feel like we were all on Derrick Henry.

565
00:26:01,040 --> 00:26:03,760
Speaker 5: It was a pretty obvious smash spot at home against

566
00:26:03,800 --> 00:26:05,760
Speaker 5: the Jaguars. But this week, you know they're going to

567
00:26:05,800 --> 00:26:09,159
Speaker 5: be on the road at Indy, much tougher Rundy, and

568
00:26:09,200 --> 00:26:10,600
Speaker 5: he's seven point six k.

569
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Speaker 4: He's a guy.

570
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Speaker 5: You know, I love taking Henry this time year, but

571
00:26:14,040 --> 00:26:15,680
Speaker 5: he's a guy I'm willing to fade. I think he's

572
00:26:15,680 --> 00:26:18,600
Speaker 5: going to be, you know, pretty heavily owned, and you know,

573
00:26:18,600 --> 00:26:20,439
Speaker 5: if he doesn't find the end zone once or twice,

574
00:26:20,640 --> 00:26:23,120
Speaker 5: I don't think he'll hit here. I think the coult

575
00:26:23,200 --> 00:26:25,920
Speaker 5: will do a pretty reasonable job limiting him. And then

576
00:26:26,040 --> 00:26:28,600
Speaker 5: the other guy is Chris Carson. He's on the main slate,

577
00:26:28,680 --> 00:26:32,400
Speaker 5: but just for Showdown slate and season long purposes. He's

578
00:26:32,400 --> 00:26:34,359
Speaker 5: a guy we have to be pretty concerned about. You know,

579
00:26:34,440 --> 00:26:37,479
Speaker 5: he fumbled on back to back attempts the second attempt

580
00:26:37,560 --> 00:26:40,760
Speaker 5: actually lost the fumble. He's been dealing with this issue

581
00:26:40,800 --> 00:26:43,879
Speaker 5: all season long. And then Rashad Penny had he just

582
00:26:43,920 --> 00:26:47,200
Speaker 5: went bonkers fourteen carries for hundred and twenty yards and

583
00:26:47,280 --> 00:26:50,720
Speaker 5: a touchdown, So we could see more of a committee

584
00:26:50,760 --> 00:26:52,680
Speaker 5: going forward. Right now, I have him all the way

585
00:26:52,680 --> 00:26:55,960
Speaker 5: down to running back eighteen, with a pretty low floor

586
00:26:55,960 --> 00:26:58,080
Speaker 5: since we don't really know how this is going to

587
00:26:58,160 --> 00:27:00,720
Speaker 5: shape out. Pete Carroll has been you know, supportive of

588
00:27:00,800 --> 00:27:03,119
Speaker 5: him in the past, but he's he's sort of hinting

589
00:27:03,160 --> 00:27:06,360
Speaker 5: that they could split carries. So this is something we'll

590
00:27:06,359 --> 00:27:08,080
Speaker 5: monitor throughout the week. But right now I have him

591
00:27:08,160 --> 00:27:09,280
Speaker 5: as a low on RB two.

592
00:27:09,720 --> 00:27:12,960
Speaker 1: All right, Ravon, I believe you are relatively low on

593
00:27:13,080 --> 00:27:14,439
Speaker 1: Leonard Fournette. Talk about that.

594
00:27:14,880 --> 00:27:17,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, we got a whole bunch of like sniping going

595
00:27:17,160 --> 00:27:19,600
Speaker 3: on here, like some people high on Barkley, low on Barkley,

596
00:27:20,000 --> 00:27:21,080
Speaker 3: like so Fournette.

597
00:27:21,080 --> 00:27:21,720
Speaker 2: My thing is, it's more of.

598
00:27:21,680 --> 00:27:26,440
Speaker 3: A DFS thing obviously, but I like like Bell and Jacobs,

599
00:27:26,440 --> 00:27:29,120
Speaker 3: those two guys I mentioned for a slightly cheaper price

600
00:27:29,119 --> 00:27:31,560
Speaker 3: side just because I do think and it was impressive

601
00:27:31,600 --> 00:27:34,280
Speaker 3: what he did against a strong Tennessee run defense. But

602
00:27:34,320 --> 00:27:37,120
Speaker 3: now you're talking about the Bucks, who not only are

603
00:27:37,200 --> 00:27:40,720
Speaker 3: the number one run defense in terms of d VA

604
00:27:40,880 --> 00:27:44,920
Speaker 3: coming into to last week, but they are they're also

605
00:27:45,040 --> 00:27:48,159
Speaker 3: number two in DVOA on passes to running backs. So

606
00:27:48,880 --> 00:27:51,840
Speaker 3: that is a little bit of a concern, I think ultimately,

607
00:27:52,080 --> 00:27:54,359
Speaker 3: because even last week when he put up the huge numbers,

608
00:27:54,359 --> 00:27:56,040
Speaker 3: a lot of it came to just like a weirdly

609
00:27:56,160 --> 00:27:59,679
Speaker 3: wonky game script where you know, the Jags gave up

610
00:27:59,680 --> 00:28:01,480
Speaker 3: a ton of production, a ton of points in the

611
00:28:01,560 --> 00:28:03,600
Speaker 3: early in the third quarter, and then Foret got a

612
00:28:03,600 --> 00:28:07,159
Speaker 3: couple of short touchdowns and essentially come back, you know,

613
00:28:07,240 --> 00:28:10,920
Speaker 3: garbage time mode almost. So a little concerned about him,

614
00:28:11,160 --> 00:28:13,159
Speaker 3: about paying the full price for him, because I do

615
00:28:13,200 --> 00:28:15,720
Speaker 3: think that this Bucks defense, if they want to, could

616
00:28:15,840 --> 00:28:18,880
Speaker 3: could clamp down on him a little more than maybe

617
00:28:18,880 --> 00:28:19,440
Speaker 3: we expect.

618
00:28:19,720 --> 00:28:21,920
Speaker 1: All right, Sean, give us the running back prop.

619
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Speaker 4: So back to what I just mentioned.

620
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Speaker 5: You know, Chris Carson and Rashad Penny, this is a

621
00:28:27,640 --> 00:28:31,960
Speaker 5: pretty tricky position or spot to project right now, so

622
00:28:32,080 --> 00:28:34,440
Speaker 5: curious to hear what you guys think. But I did

623
00:28:34,440 --> 00:28:38,040
Speaker 5: a rushing yards spread for them, so I have Chris

624
00:28:38,040 --> 00:28:41,880
Speaker 5: Carson favored by twenty three and a half rushing yards

625
00:28:41,880 --> 00:28:44,560
Speaker 5: over shod Penny at home against the Vikings.

626
00:28:45,120 --> 00:28:49,040
Speaker 1: I will take the over. I think that's probably a

627
00:28:49,200 --> 00:28:51,800
Speaker 1: pretty good line, and mine is actually pretty close to that,

628
00:28:52,720 --> 00:28:56,240
Speaker 1: but just slightly over. And yeah, part of it is

629
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Speaker 1: just it's so hard to know what to expect out

630
00:28:59,240 --> 00:29:03,280
Speaker 1: of Pete Carroll's backfield splits in general, like in the

631
00:29:03,360 --> 00:29:06,440
Speaker 1: in the post Marshaan era, and then especially since we

632
00:29:06,520 --> 00:29:10,640
Speaker 1: have seen Chris Carson produce when given the chance, and

633
00:29:10,760 --> 00:29:13,960
Speaker 1: like the general inertia of that team, I just kind

634
00:29:13,960 --> 00:29:16,320
Speaker 1: of figure that at some point they will go back

635
00:29:16,360 --> 00:29:18,480
Speaker 1: to Chris Carson, but I don't know. I think that

636
00:29:18,720 --> 00:29:20,960
Speaker 1: line is pretty close. I'll still take the over, though.

637
00:29:21,560 --> 00:29:24,960
Speaker 5: Over meaning Chris Carson minus.

638
00:29:23,880 --> 00:29:26,040
Speaker 1: Yes, sorry Chris Carson. Yes, I'm having Chris Carson.

639
00:29:26,960 --> 00:29:29,240
Speaker 3: It's essentially like, how many more carriers do you expect

640
00:29:29,240 --> 00:29:31,240
Speaker 3: Carson to get the penny? You know, when he kind

641
00:29:31,240 --> 00:29:33,720
Speaker 3: of had the fumbling issues before early in the year,

642
00:29:33,720 --> 00:29:35,760
Speaker 3: he got he got about five more than Penny in

643
00:29:35,800 --> 00:29:38,720
Speaker 3: a game. Besides that, it hadn't been close until until

644
00:29:38,760 --> 00:29:41,680
Speaker 3: last week when Penny got six more. But that, again,

645
00:29:41,760 --> 00:29:44,840
Speaker 3: that is kind of a pretty big trend in turnaround.

646
00:29:44,880 --> 00:29:46,880
Speaker 3: So I'm gonna go I'll go with the under. I'll

647
00:29:46,920 --> 00:29:48,520
Speaker 3: go with Penny here, and you know, because there's always

648
00:29:48,520 --> 00:29:50,600
Speaker 3: a chance you have Carson just kind of when he's

649
00:29:50,640 --> 00:29:52,160
Speaker 3: in the game, they kind of focus in on him

650
00:29:52,160 --> 00:29:53,840
Speaker 3: and he gets a low yard per carrier or something

651
00:29:53,840 --> 00:29:54,040
Speaker 3: like that.

652
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Speaker 2: So I'll go, I'll go the under.

653
00:29:56,080 --> 00:30:01,360
Speaker 4: I'm completely guessing, just no idea optimistic for Penny. I

654
00:30:01,400 --> 00:30:04,120
Speaker 4: need him, so I will save Penny. They investor out

655
00:30:04,120 --> 00:30:06,840
Speaker 4: of draft capital. But I have no clue and I

656
00:30:06,840 --> 00:30:09,040
Speaker 4: can easily see Pete Carroll, you know, we believe in

657
00:30:09,080 --> 00:30:11,400
Speaker 4: Chris Carson. Watch us just feed him the rock. He's

658
00:30:11,440 --> 00:30:13,960
Speaker 4: our guy. I mean, just a total guess.

659
00:30:14,080 --> 00:30:16,360
Speaker 1: It's going to be so tilting when c J Pros

660
00:30:16,720 --> 00:30:20,680
Speaker 1: leads the team and carries this week, It'll happen one

661
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Speaker 1: of these weeks.

662
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Speaker 4: Get coach talk on this, like like, how are we

663
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Speaker 4: going to incorporate that? I mean, I just feel like

664
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Speaker 4: it's going to be a hard situation project regardless. Well

665
00:30:30,640 --> 00:30:33,280
Speaker 4: we did. We did get some coach speak on this.

666
00:30:33,440 --> 00:30:36,360
Speaker 5: Hee Pete Carroll said, competition is a beautiful thing and

667
00:30:36,400 --> 00:30:38,760
Speaker 5: no reason not to get Penny back in there next week.

668
00:30:39,360 --> 00:30:43,280
Speaker 4: Get these guys the rest of the clues we'll get.

669
00:30:43,120 --> 00:30:46,520
Speaker 5: These guys hammering away. So I don't hear much support

670
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Speaker 5: for Carson there, so.

671
00:30:48,160 --> 00:30:52,320
Speaker 1: I want to buy out of my position. That seems like, yeah,

672
00:30:53,080 --> 00:30:56,440
Speaker 1: I'm already counting that as a loss. That was bad. Okay,

673
00:30:56,520 --> 00:30:59,080
Speaker 1: let's get to the wide receivers we have at the

674
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Speaker 1: top of our kings right now. Michael Thomas, Tyreek Kill,

675
00:31:02,600 --> 00:31:05,800
Speaker 1: Mike Evans Pete. Is there any other wide receiver that

676
00:31:05,840 --> 00:31:07,760
Speaker 1: you would think of as being in that top tier

677
00:31:07,840 --> 00:31:08,240
Speaker 1: this week?

678
00:31:08,480 --> 00:31:11,160
Speaker 4: Okay, this player is not in that tier, but I

679
00:31:11,240 --> 00:31:13,520
Speaker 4: think we have to recognize how good this guy can be.

680
00:31:13,720 --> 00:31:16,040
Speaker 4: And Seann already talked about the quarterback in Foles, but

681
00:31:16,560 --> 00:31:20,240
Speaker 4: I can see a massive game for Shark here. I'm

682
00:31:20,240 --> 00:31:22,800
Speaker 4: a big believer in his talent. I think he's not

683
00:31:22,960 --> 00:31:29,080
Speaker 4: obviously in that tier, but man, he's projecting extremely high

684
00:31:29,120 --> 00:31:30,760
Speaker 4: for me. I have him as like a top ten

685
00:31:30,800 --> 00:31:33,440
Speaker 4: receiver this week, which is saying a lot. I get it,

686
00:31:34,160 --> 00:31:37,360
Speaker 4: but he is right there. Not in that tier obviously,

687
00:31:37,480 --> 00:31:39,760
Speaker 4: but he's someone I'm going to be buying. And this

688
00:31:39,840 --> 00:31:42,480
Speaker 4: is just a dream spot versus Tampa Bay, which is

689
00:31:42,480 --> 00:31:44,120
Speaker 4: why I so high am my projections right now.

690
00:31:44,800 --> 00:31:48,479
Speaker 1: Yeah, and all fairness in our rankings. Right now, I

691
00:31:48,520 --> 00:31:50,400
Speaker 1: have him in the top ten. Sean, you have him

692
00:31:50,440 --> 00:31:53,480
Speaker 1: in the top ten, Ray Bawn, I imagine that you

693
00:31:53,560 --> 00:31:56,880
Speaker 1: will probably also have him in the OPE right now.

694
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Speaker 3: Right now, again, I haven't number one, No, I literally

695
00:32:01,320 --> 00:32:03,600
Speaker 3: have him. I'm looking at my receiver and again I

696
00:32:03,640 --> 00:32:05,000
Speaker 3: got to tweak some things, which is why I didn't

697
00:32:05,000 --> 00:32:06,840
Speaker 3: want to just like paste it in and kill you all.

698
00:32:06,960 --> 00:32:09,880
Speaker 2: But he's number two right now. He's behind only Michael.

699
00:32:10,200 --> 00:32:12,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, so I had him what I did my

700
00:32:12,440 --> 00:32:15,080
Speaker 1: first run through, he was number four for me, and

701
00:32:15,120 --> 00:32:18,280
Speaker 1: I adjusted down a little bit manually, like on the

702
00:32:18,320 --> 00:32:20,640
Speaker 1: second wave of like tweaks of things that I do.

703
00:32:20,760 --> 00:32:23,080
Speaker 1: But yeah, I think he is right there. He has

704
00:32:23,240 --> 00:32:26,560
Speaker 1: the dream Spot matchup. And it's horrible that we are

705
00:32:26,560 --> 00:32:28,920
Speaker 1: talking about this right now because as we are talking,

706
00:32:29,040 --> 00:32:34,040
Speaker 1: I know Sean is over there increasing the pop that

707
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Speaker 1: he's going to give us later in the in the show.

708
00:32:37,040 --> 00:32:41,000
Speaker 1: But yeah, DJ Shark, I believe Pete that we are

709
00:32:41,040 --> 00:32:45,560
Speaker 1: all right there with you, Raybond, you are on Shark

710
00:32:45,640 --> 00:32:47,480
Speaker 1: anyone else that you like this week?

711
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Speaker 4: Yeah?

712
00:32:48,240 --> 00:32:50,760
Speaker 2: So his teammates d D. Westbrook.

713
00:32:51,360 --> 00:32:53,800
Speaker 3: You could throw Chris Conley in that to be completely honest,

714
00:32:53,800 --> 00:32:56,640
Speaker 3: because Foles and Conley do have some chemistry going back

715
00:32:56,680 --> 00:32:57,840
Speaker 3: to the days in Kansas City.

716
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Speaker 2: But I think d Ede Westbrook is a guy.

717
00:32:59,080 --> 00:33:01,479
Speaker 3: Who he's been a high volume guy when he's been

718
00:33:01,480 --> 00:33:04,480
Speaker 3: in the lineup, you know, over twenty percent target share,

719
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Speaker 3: and that's what j always looking to see from these

720
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Speaker 3: wide receivers. So you know, he's a guy that I think,

721
00:33:10,560 --> 00:33:12,280
Speaker 3: you know, Chark is gonna get his that you know,

722
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Speaker 3: Tampa Bay, we mentioned it.

723
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Speaker 2: They they're really good against running back.

724
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Speaker 3: So if for some reason Fournett just gets you know,

725
00:33:18,200 --> 00:33:21,840
Speaker 3: a reception or two under expectation, uh, you know, in

726
00:33:21,920 --> 00:33:24,240
Speaker 3: the short passing game, I think it's Westbrook who would

727
00:33:24,240 --> 00:33:26,560
Speaker 3: be the guy to kind of pick up pick up

728
00:33:26,560 --> 00:33:30,120
Speaker 3: that slack underneath and he still has that upside to

729
00:33:30,480 --> 00:33:32,960
Speaker 3: post kind of you know, a top five, top ten

730
00:33:33,000 --> 00:33:33,560
Speaker 3: week as well.

731
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Speaker 2: But he should be he should be money in PPR

732
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Speaker 2: either way.

733
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Speaker 1: All right, Sean, who are you relatively high on?

734
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Speaker 5: So I'm high on any wide receiver with the first

735
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Speaker 5: name Davante. I love DeVante Adams. This week, He's in

736
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Speaker 5: my top four. I think we're a long overdue for

737
00:33:49,800 --> 00:33:53,120
Speaker 5: just a blowout game by him. You know, we saw

738
00:33:53,840 --> 00:33:56,320
Speaker 5: Rogers sort of flinging it deep to him. They didn't connect,

739
00:33:56,320 --> 00:33:58,160
Speaker 5: but they're going to connect soon. I think this week

740
00:33:58,160 --> 00:34:01,080
Speaker 5: against the Giants, he should have a big game. He's

741
00:34:01,080 --> 00:34:04,120
Speaker 5: seen at least ten targets and seven receptions his past

742
00:34:04,120 --> 00:34:06,840
Speaker 5: three games. Just hasn't put it all together yet. And

743
00:34:06,840 --> 00:34:10,319
Speaker 5: then DeVante Parker, I'm gonna keep banging the drum for him.

744
00:34:10,440 --> 00:34:12,480
Speaker 5: You know, while he's still under price, he's only fifty

745
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Speaker 5: seven hundred. Still, he's eighth in the NFL and air

746
00:34:16,080 --> 00:34:19,239
Speaker 5: yards the past three games. Ever since Preston Williams went

747
00:34:19,280 --> 00:34:21,239
Speaker 5: on the IR, I thought that was, you know, the

748
00:34:21,520 --> 00:34:22,920
Speaker 5: sort of a lion in the sand when we were

749
00:34:22,920 --> 00:34:25,439
Speaker 5: gonna see him really take over and become a wide

750
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Speaker 5: receiver too. So, yeah, he's fifty seven hundred this week.

751
00:34:28,880 --> 00:34:31,000
Speaker 5: You know, I'm gonna keep playing him until he he

752
00:34:31,040 --> 00:34:32,920
Speaker 5: gets priced, you know, six k or more. I think

753
00:34:32,920 --> 00:34:35,240
Speaker 5: he's that good. And you know at home against the Eagles,

754
00:34:35,320 --> 00:34:37,360
Speaker 5: they're gonna have to throw a ton here. You know,

755
00:34:37,440 --> 00:34:40,160
Speaker 5: I can't imagine them, you know, running Kalen Bilage for

756
00:34:40,239 --> 00:34:42,839
Speaker 5: Zeria or to rather play. They're gonna have to throw.

757
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Speaker 5: So I think Parker is a lock for you know,

758
00:34:45,400 --> 00:34:48,080
Speaker 5: eight or more targets. So yeah, I love him a

759
00:34:48,120 --> 00:34:49,200
Speaker 5: lot in this matchup as well.

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Speaker 1: All right, Pete a wide receiver or a couple of

761
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Speaker 1: wide receivers who are relatively down on this week.

762
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Speaker 4: First off, love the Devonte Parker call. I think that's

763
00:34:57,400 --> 00:34:59,799
Speaker 4: extremely sharp and I've been trying to buy him as

764
00:34:59,880 --> 00:35:01,680
Speaker 4: much as i can and hopefully we'll see just a

765
00:35:01,760 --> 00:35:05,920
Speaker 4: huge game coming up. In terms of wide receivers that

766
00:35:06,239 --> 00:35:09,200
Speaker 4: I'm lower on, I think Odell Beckham where he was

767
00:35:09,239 --> 00:35:11,640
Speaker 4: just massive chalk. I love the tweet that you put

768
00:35:11,680 --> 00:35:14,040
Speaker 4: out there, Friedman, him shown up in the Rolls Royce

769
00:35:14,120 --> 00:35:17,360
Speaker 4: with his little Beckham thing coming up out of the

770
00:35:17,400 --> 00:35:21,680
Speaker 4: car was pretty dope. But now going into Pittsburgh, this

771
00:35:21,800 --> 00:35:24,440
Speaker 4: is just a much much tougher matchup and well, you

772
00:35:24,440 --> 00:35:26,880
Speaker 4: know Beckham can He can win any matchup and have

773
00:35:26,920 --> 00:35:29,000
Speaker 4: a huge game. We just haven't seen that this year,

774
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Speaker 4: So I'm bumping him a little bit down, and I

775
00:35:32,000 --> 00:35:34,040
Speaker 4: think this week he'll be a little higher owned. After

776
00:35:34,080 --> 00:35:36,440
Speaker 4: everyone saw last week, which was a good game but

777
00:35:36,480 --> 00:35:38,799
Speaker 4: not a great game. But now going against Pittsburgh just

778
00:35:39,000 --> 00:35:42,560
Speaker 4: a much much tougher spot divisional game. Some lower on

779
00:35:42,640 --> 00:35:45,759
Speaker 4: Baker Mayfield or Baker Mayfield, Jarvis Landry, Oldell Beckham, all

780
00:35:45,760 --> 00:35:47,160
Speaker 4: those guys in the Cleveland offense.

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Speaker 1: Sean, what about you.

782
00:35:51,560 --> 00:35:54,520
Speaker 5: I'm low on Courtland Sutton right now. He's my wide

783
00:35:54,560 --> 00:35:58,319
Speaker 5: receiver twenty seven. I always mentioned my Tiers article that

784
00:35:58,520 --> 00:36:01,239
Speaker 5: he'd be a for sure one on just about any

785
00:36:01,239 --> 00:36:04,640
Speaker 5: other team. You know, they're they're facing the charges of

786
00:36:04,640 --> 00:36:07,520
Speaker 5: this week. He was able to overcome the matchup with

787
00:36:07,600 --> 00:36:10,440
Speaker 5: Casey Harrod in week five for pretty solid line of

788
00:36:10,760 --> 00:36:13,480
Speaker 5: four catches, ninety yards and a touchdown. But the Chargers

789
00:36:13,480 --> 00:36:16,719
Speaker 5: are getting Derwin James back this week. I think that's gonna,

790
00:36:17,440 --> 00:36:20,200
Speaker 5: you know, take this defense a whole other level. He's

791
00:36:20,200 --> 00:36:23,400
Speaker 5: gonna have a tough time. And you know, with Brandon

792
00:36:23,440 --> 00:36:27,040
Speaker 5: Allen under center, he's looking pretty rough. So I can imagine,

793
00:36:27,120 --> 00:36:29,800
Speaker 5: you know, we should see Drew Locke make his debut

794
00:36:29,840 --> 00:36:31,880
Speaker 5: once he's healthy in the in the next few weeks.

795
00:36:31,920 --> 00:36:34,400
Speaker 5: But right now, brand Aw looks pretty rough. So I

796
00:36:34,400 --> 00:36:37,600
Speaker 5: think the Chargers should be able to shut down soon

797
00:36:37,640 --> 00:36:40,720
Speaker 5: since he's really their only weapon right now. And another

798
00:36:40,719 --> 00:36:43,640
Speaker 5: guy I wanted to mention is his Golden Take. He's,

799
00:36:43,840 --> 00:36:47,040
Speaker 5: you know, put up a wide receiver twelve numbers since

800
00:36:47,080 --> 00:36:49,400
Speaker 5: week six. I think he's benefited from a lot of

801
00:36:49,400 --> 00:36:52,240
Speaker 5: these guys being out. But you see, you know, Sterling

802
00:36:52,239 --> 00:36:54,840
Speaker 5: Shepard came back last week and Evan Ingram could return

803
00:36:54,880 --> 00:36:56,919
Speaker 5: this week, and you know he's gonna see a lower

804
00:36:56,960 --> 00:36:59,680
Speaker 5: target share. He's he's a guy that does depend on volume.

805
00:36:59,719 --> 00:37:01,719
Speaker 5: He's not going to bail you out every week with

806
00:37:01,800 --> 00:37:03,839
Speaker 5: the touchdown. So I just want to be cautious about him.

807
00:37:03,880 --> 00:37:06,280
Speaker 5: He's all the way down outside of my top forty

808
00:37:06,360 --> 00:37:08,839
Speaker 5: right now, so make sure you check, you know our

809
00:37:08,880 --> 00:37:10,799
Speaker 5: update rankings when the time comes. But he's a guy

810
00:37:11,080 --> 00:37:13,960
Speaker 5: you'll probably want to set this week, given if everybody's

811
00:37:14,280 --> 00:37:15,239
Speaker 5: back healthy.

812
00:37:15,640 --> 00:37:16,680
Speaker 1: And Raybon, what about you?

813
00:37:17,000 --> 00:37:20,160
Speaker 3: For me, it's another guy in that Broncos Chargers game,

814
00:37:20,200 --> 00:37:23,240
Speaker 3: And as Keenan Allen, you know, he's up at sixty

815
00:37:23,239 --> 00:37:26,600
Speaker 3: five hundred on DraftKings. In his last five matchups with

816
00:37:26,640 --> 00:37:30,840
Speaker 3: the Denver Broncos, he's averaging five catches, which is actually

817
00:37:30,880 --> 00:37:34,200
Speaker 3: pretty you know, below his standard, but only forty nine

818
00:37:34,360 --> 00:37:37,759
Speaker 3: point four yards. And I think that speaks to to

819
00:37:38,080 --> 00:37:41,120
Speaker 3: Chris Harris and what he's able to do against Allen.

820
00:37:41,200 --> 00:37:43,239
Speaker 3: And also, you know, Sean kind of mentioned it the

821
00:37:43,320 --> 00:37:47,279
Speaker 3: Chargers getting Derwin James back, Randon Allen really struggling. This

822
00:37:47,360 --> 00:37:49,560
Speaker 3: is this does not project as a game script where

823
00:37:50,120 --> 00:37:52,600
Speaker 3: if Allen is kind of quiet and the Chargers go,

824
00:37:52,760 --> 00:37:56,120
Speaker 3: you know, to to some of their other offensive weapons,

825
00:37:56,360 --> 00:37:58,799
Speaker 3: where the game script could bail him out, because you

826
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Speaker 3: see an exasperated fill Rivers like throwing five interceptions and

827
00:38:02,920 --> 00:38:05,160
Speaker 3: them having to score like three touchdowns, you know, in

828
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Speaker 3: the second half to make it a game. So I

829
00:38:07,760 --> 00:38:09,719
Speaker 3: just don't think it's a good spot necessarily for a

830
00:38:09,719 --> 00:38:12,560
Speaker 3: blow up for Keenan. So I'll be fading him at

831
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Speaker 3: that price, and it will probably be a couple of

832
00:38:14,280 --> 00:38:16,360
Speaker 3: spots lower in the rankings than a consensus.

833
00:38:17,280 --> 00:38:19,680
Speaker 1: All right, one guy I'm relatively low on, and this

834
00:38:19,840 --> 00:38:24,160
Speaker 1: should seem obvious, but DeAndre Hopkins going against Stephan Gilmore.

835
00:38:24,719 --> 00:38:27,359
Speaker 1: I expect some people would think that maybe they'll use

836
00:38:27,400 --> 00:38:30,880
Speaker 1: bracket coverage. But all year long, the Patriots have just

837
00:38:31,000 --> 00:38:34,360
Speaker 1: been putting Gilmore on the number one opposing receiver because

838
00:38:34,480 --> 00:38:37,239
Speaker 1: he can shut them down. And we saw what he

839
00:38:37,280 --> 00:38:39,440
Speaker 1: did last week against sa Mariy Cooper held them to

840
00:38:39,440 --> 00:38:43,560
Speaker 1: two targets, zero receptions. I have Hopkins outside of the

841
00:38:43,640 --> 00:38:46,280
Speaker 1: top ten right now. And I don't know if that's

842
00:38:46,400 --> 00:38:49,279
Speaker 1: you know, being super taky or something, but I just

843
00:38:49,360 --> 00:38:52,160
Speaker 1: I have so much respect for Stephan Gilmore. It's amazing

844
00:38:52,160 --> 00:38:54,520
Speaker 1: to think that the Patriots are ten and one and

845
00:38:54,600 --> 00:38:58,000
Speaker 1: they do not have a legitimate MVP candidate on their team,

846
00:38:58,000 --> 00:39:00,360
Speaker 1: which kind of speaks to the strength of their defense.

847
00:39:00,360 --> 00:39:02,720
Speaker 1: And I think Stefan Gilmore right now is the defensive

848
00:39:02,719 --> 00:39:04,680
Speaker 1: player of the Year. Like I don't know how much

849
00:39:04,760 --> 00:39:07,000
Speaker 1: hype he's getting for it, but I mean based on

850
00:39:07,040 --> 00:39:09,279
Speaker 1: what he's doing and what that defense is doing and

851
00:39:09,280 --> 00:39:12,120
Speaker 1: how it's built basically around what he's able to do

852
00:39:12,200 --> 00:39:14,840
Speaker 1: to opposing number one receivers, I think he should be

853
00:39:14,880 --> 00:39:17,200
Speaker 1: the defensive player in the air. And I just don't

854
00:39:17,200 --> 00:39:19,759
Speaker 1: want to go with Hopkins against him, especially because I

855
00:39:19,760 --> 00:39:22,000
Speaker 1: think on the other side of the field, Will Fuller

856
00:39:22,040 --> 00:39:26,920
Speaker 1: has a exploitable matchup and Fuller he gets targets. Whenever

857
00:39:26,960 --> 00:39:29,120
Speaker 1: he has a matchup that he can he can win.

858
00:39:29,480 --> 00:39:32,360
Speaker 1: And going against Jason mccordy, and I have respect against mccordy,

859
00:39:32,400 --> 00:39:35,560
Speaker 1: who's a very solid defender on his own, but at

860
00:39:35,560 --> 00:39:37,839
Speaker 1: this point, the guy's like thirty two thirty three, Like

861
00:39:37,880 --> 00:39:41,240
Speaker 1: he's he's slower than he used to be, Like Fuller

862
00:39:41,280 --> 00:39:44,200
Speaker 1: could beat him multiple times down the field. So given

863
00:39:44,280 --> 00:39:47,920
Speaker 1: that there's another option that Deshaun Watson can go to,

864
00:39:48,480 --> 00:39:51,240
Speaker 1: I just kind of don't see him forcing the ball

865
00:39:51,480 --> 00:39:55,040
Speaker 1: to DeAndre Hopkins. So that's why I'm fading Hopkins. Ravon

866
00:39:55,600 --> 00:39:56,360
Speaker 1: give me the thoughts.

867
00:39:57,120 --> 00:39:59,080
Speaker 3: I just want to know how much of this Hopkins

868
00:39:59,120 --> 00:40:02,600
Speaker 3: fade is really vidual anger from a Cowboys fan for

869
00:40:02,840 --> 00:40:06,400
Speaker 3: Jason Garrett's brilliant game plan to free up Amari Cooper

870
00:40:06,600 --> 00:40:08,320
Speaker 3: against Stefan Gilmour last week.

871
00:40:08,560 --> 00:40:12,640
Speaker 1: Oh absolutely not. I mean really it's not. It's just

872
00:40:12,719 --> 00:40:15,799
Speaker 1: it's just based on the numbers, you know, I mean

873
00:40:15,960 --> 00:40:19,799
Speaker 1: ranking him number eleven, Like I feel that that is

874
00:40:19,880 --> 00:40:22,360
Speaker 1: too low, but I I mean, I just look at

875
00:40:22,360 --> 00:40:24,439
Speaker 1: the numbers, and I don't know if I can make

876
00:40:24,480 --> 00:40:27,080
Speaker 1: a good case for putting him much higher other than

877
00:40:27,080 --> 00:40:30,040
Speaker 1: the fact that, like, they should give him volume because

878
00:40:30,040 --> 00:40:33,360
Speaker 1: he's DeAndre Hopkins. But why would they give him volume

879
00:40:33,360 --> 00:40:34,920
Speaker 1: when he's going against Stephan Gilmore.

880
00:40:35,160 --> 00:40:37,680
Speaker 3: I wonder, I almost wonder, because you know, Bill Belicheck

881
00:40:37,719 --> 00:40:41,200
Speaker 3: always one step ahead, right, I wonder, especially Fuller coming

882
00:40:41,200 --> 00:40:43,360
Speaker 3: off the big game, if they view Fuller as like

883
00:40:43,480 --> 00:40:46,200
Speaker 3: that guy that they have to like like like you

884
00:40:46,239 --> 00:40:48,600
Speaker 3: know how sometimes they'll double the like they'll put the

885
00:40:48,800 --> 00:40:51,000
Speaker 3: like Gilmour on the number two and double the number one.

886
00:40:51,000 --> 00:40:52,160
Speaker 2: I almost wonder if they.

887
00:40:52,080 --> 00:40:54,680
Speaker 1: Could have done that last week with Yeah and they yeah,

888
00:40:54,719 --> 00:40:56,759
Speaker 1: like you you would think that if they were going

889
00:40:56,800 --> 00:40:59,040
Speaker 1: to do that, they would have done that already at

890
00:40:59,080 --> 00:41:01,239
Speaker 1: some point this season. But it's almost as if the

891
00:41:01,239 --> 00:41:03,520
Speaker 1: papers are like, we know, we could do this other

892
00:41:03,600 --> 00:41:05,520
Speaker 1: thing that you think we might do, but we're so

893
00:41:05,640 --> 00:41:07,880
Speaker 1: good that we don't even need to. We're just gonna

894
00:41:07,880 --> 00:41:10,759
Speaker 1: put our best guy against our best guy and humiliate

895
00:41:10,800 --> 00:41:15,960
Speaker 1: you that way down there. So anyway, I'm fading. I'm

896
00:41:15,960 --> 00:41:19,120
Speaker 1: fading Hopkins Sean give us the wide receiver prof.

897
00:41:19,480 --> 00:41:21,880
Speaker 5: So you hinted to it earlier, but I'm going to

898
00:41:21,960 --> 00:41:24,560
Speaker 5: do the battle of the DJs. Who will have more

899
00:41:24,640 --> 00:41:29,000
Speaker 5: DK points this week? DJ Chark or DJ Moore. Chark

900
00:41:29,200 --> 00:41:32,920
Speaker 5: Yeah is at home against the Buccaneers and Moore's home

901
00:41:32,960 --> 00:41:35,840
Speaker 5: against the Redskins. I was gonna set a line for this,

902
00:41:35,960 --> 00:41:37,880
Speaker 5: but I'm just saying it's a pick him. I think

903
00:41:38,239 --> 00:41:41,439
Speaker 5: DJ Moore has been just a beast the past five

904
00:41:41,520 --> 00:41:43,040
Speaker 5: or six games. Now, I think he has a higher

905
00:41:43,040 --> 00:41:45,440
Speaker 5: floor of the two, but you know, Chuck has a

906
00:41:45,440 --> 00:41:46,440
Speaker 5: slightly higher production.

907
00:41:46,719 --> 00:41:48,839
Speaker 3: I think it's I think it's also game script related, right,

908
00:41:48,880 --> 00:41:51,239
Speaker 3: because you look at the Redskins and they are one

909
00:41:51,239 --> 00:41:53,520
Speaker 3: of the most run heavy teams under Bill Callahan, and

910
00:41:53,560 --> 00:41:56,200
Speaker 3: that game could just evolve into, you know, like a

911
00:41:56,280 --> 00:41:58,400
Speaker 3: nineteen sixteen game. Then we saw last week most of

912
00:41:58,400 --> 00:42:00,359
Speaker 3: the Redskins games, outside of that one Jets game where

913
00:42:00,400 --> 00:42:03,400
Speaker 3: they went behind thirty four to three, have been on

914
00:42:03,440 --> 00:42:05,799
Speaker 3: the low scoring side compared to the NFL average, And

915
00:42:05,880 --> 00:42:08,600
Speaker 3: so I think that's always a possibility because the Panthers

916
00:42:08,640 --> 00:42:11,560
Speaker 3: have also played really good pass defense, and.

917
00:42:11,400 --> 00:42:14,040
Speaker 2: So with the Bucks it's like the opposite.

918
00:42:14,080 --> 00:42:16,759
Speaker 3: It's like you're usually just getting some type of ridiculous

919
00:42:16,920 --> 00:42:20,200
Speaker 3: game script that tends to be on the higher scoring side.

920
00:42:20,200 --> 00:42:22,320
Speaker 2: So that that's why I would go chart there.

921
00:42:26,800 --> 00:42:28,520
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm going to chart too. But DJ Moore has

922
00:42:28,520 --> 00:42:30,879
Speaker 4: been a baller, and DJ Moore is a great play

923
00:42:30,880 --> 00:42:33,560
Speaker 4: that we didn't reference, and probably a really good pivot.

924
00:42:33,600 --> 00:42:36,480
Speaker 4: I mean, you can play McCaffrey and more in lineups,

925
00:42:36,560 --> 00:42:38,799
Speaker 4: but if you are going to Fay McCaffrey, I think

926
00:42:39,160 --> 00:42:42,520
Speaker 4: getting exposure to more makes a lot of sense. For leverage.

927
00:42:43,560 --> 00:42:46,520
Speaker 1: Hey, Sean, I know you're probably not going to believe this,

928
00:42:46,560 --> 00:42:48,600
Speaker 1: although maybe you might because you are the one who

929
00:42:48,640 --> 00:42:53,000
Speaker 1: set the line. But I have this actually bad even

930
00:42:53,600 --> 00:42:56,600
Speaker 1: between between the two of them. I'll go I'll go

931
00:42:56,680 --> 00:43:00,000
Speaker 1: dj Moore, just to balance a knife for you.

932
00:43:00,719 --> 00:43:02,640
Speaker 4: Sean has said great lines, and by no means that

933
00:43:02,719 --> 00:43:05,000
Speaker 4: I've been sharp over the years trying to pick over under.

934
00:43:05,040 --> 00:43:08,320
Speaker 4: But one thing with Lamar Jackson, He's averaging thirty Fantasy

935
00:43:08,360 --> 00:43:11,200
Speaker 4: points per game on draftings, essentially after this game. He's

936
00:43:11,200 --> 00:43:13,040
Speaker 4: has not played a lot of fourth quarters this year,

937
00:43:13,080 --> 00:43:15,400
Speaker 4: and he might not play this fourth quarter. So something

938
00:43:15,400 --> 00:43:17,480
Speaker 4: else to keep in mind in the San Francisco game

939
00:43:17,520 --> 00:43:19,560
Speaker 4: when you're trying to project Lamar Jackson.

940
00:43:20,520 --> 00:43:25,040
Speaker 1: Guy is good. All right, let's close this out by

941
00:43:25,120 --> 00:43:27,839
Speaker 1: looking at the tight ends, the guys at the top

942
00:43:27,840 --> 00:43:30,879
Speaker 1: of our rankings. Right now. It's been a weird year

943
00:43:30,960 --> 00:43:33,439
Speaker 1: where some of these guys have been injured at different points,

944
00:43:33,440 --> 00:43:35,480
Speaker 1: and then he had Austin Hooper jumping in there in

945
00:43:35,480 --> 00:43:37,520
Speaker 1: the top three, and Darren Waller started out the season

946
00:43:37,560 --> 00:43:40,160
Speaker 1: pretty hot. But right now, the guys, the three guys

947
00:43:40,160 --> 00:43:42,200
Speaker 1: at the top of our rankings are the big three.

948
00:43:42,719 --> 00:43:44,760
Speaker 1: You have Kelta, you have Artz, and you have Kittle,

949
00:43:45,200 --> 00:43:48,279
Speaker 1: Pete anyone else that you think should be included in

950
00:43:48,320 --> 00:43:49,799
Speaker 1: the top tier of tight ends this week?

951
00:43:50,120 --> 00:43:53,400
Speaker 4: No Kelsey, Kittle ERTs. I think that's where you're looking.

952
00:43:53,800 --> 00:43:56,040
Speaker 4: Kittle what a baller, I mean, comes out with a

953
00:43:56,080 --> 00:43:58,600
Speaker 4: freaking broken bone in his ankle and all these injuries

954
00:43:58,640 --> 00:44:01,799
Speaker 4: and just houses it for safety one yards, huge fan

955
00:44:01,840 --> 00:44:05,520
Speaker 4: of that. Need more of those guys, and this week specifically,

956
00:44:05,640 --> 00:44:08,239
Speaker 4: I think you have to look at Kelsey is just

957
00:44:08,440 --> 00:44:12,040
Speaker 4: an absolute smash spot against this Raiders defense that's gotten

958
00:44:12,120 --> 00:44:14,560
Speaker 4: killed by the past all year. So I'm paying up

959
00:44:14,560 --> 00:44:19,200
Speaker 4: for tight end again. I've been in all formats, including

960
00:44:19,239 --> 00:44:22,000
Speaker 4: the offseason, and I'm going to be buying the premium

961
00:44:22,000 --> 00:44:22,800
Speaker 4: titands for sure.

962
00:44:23,360 --> 00:44:24,839
Speaker 1: Sean, who are you restively high on?

963
00:44:25,360 --> 00:44:28,640
Speaker 5: So for the bargain tight ends, I think the pricing

964
00:44:28,680 --> 00:44:31,400
Speaker 5: came out before aerk run was placed on ir So

965
00:44:31,520 --> 00:44:34,400
Speaker 5: Jack Doyle is only thirty three hundred. He seems like

966
00:44:34,440 --> 00:44:37,360
Speaker 5: a pretty high floor guy. To get that cheap, he

967
00:44:38,080 --> 00:44:41,520
Speaker 5: should bump up to maybe six or eight targets. Mo

968
00:44:41,680 --> 00:44:44,200
Speaker 5: Ali Cox will probably take over somewhat of the air

969
00:44:44,280 --> 00:44:46,520
Speaker 5: keybound role, but it's not going to demand the target

970
00:44:46,560 --> 00:44:48,880
Speaker 5: show that e Brown would get. So love Doyle at

971
00:44:48,880 --> 00:44:51,880
Speaker 5: thirty three hundred right now at home against the Titans.

972
00:44:52,480 --> 00:44:53,200
Speaker 1: Chris, what about you?

973
00:44:54,560 --> 00:44:58,680
Speaker 3: You know I think this you know in the rams,

974
00:44:58,719 --> 00:45:00,480
Speaker 3: you know I mentioned Jared Goff, don't kim, But one

975
00:45:00,520 --> 00:45:02,600
Speaker 3: guy I do like it is Gerald Everett. I think

976
00:45:02,680 --> 00:45:05,480
Speaker 3: you know this has been the spot the Cardinals going

977
00:45:05,520 --> 00:45:08,319
Speaker 3: against tight ends. I think Everett's had, you know, kind

978
00:45:08,360 --> 00:45:11,839
Speaker 3: of a quiet last few weeks. People probably be will

979
00:45:11,880 --> 00:45:14,120
Speaker 3: be off of him because he's not having too hot

980
00:45:14,120 --> 00:45:17,400
Speaker 3: of a game on Monday night Cooks back Woods back

981
00:45:17,800 --> 00:45:21,040
Speaker 3: But I think this is a good spot for an

982
00:45:21,120 --> 00:45:24,680
Speaker 3: upside game from from Everett. So, like him, if you're

983
00:45:24,760 --> 00:45:28,520
Speaker 3: kind of fading the top tier tight ends, and you know,

984
00:45:28,560 --> 00:45:30,680
Speaker 3: a lot of times what happens is people fade the

985
00:45:30,719 --> 00:45:33,600
Speaker 3: top tier tight ends and they go with that that

986
00:45:33,719 --> 00:45:35,480
Speaker 3: chalky cheap option like a Doyle or.

987
00:45:35,480 --> 00:45:36,400
Speaker 2: Somebody in that range.

988
00:45:36,400 --> 00:45:39,240
Speaker 3: So I think Everett, just for pricing purposes on DraftKings,

989
00:45:39,239 --> 00:45:41,319
Speaker 3: that forty six hundred is kind of in that purgatory

990
00:45:41,880 --> 00:45:43,279
Speaker 3: where you could have some leverage there.

991
00:45:43,320 --> 00:45:45,120
Speaker 2: So like him, I.

992
00:45:45,040 --> 00:45:48,520
Speaker 1: Will be interested in the practice reports that we get

993
00:45:48,640 --> 00:45:51,560
Speaker 1: for Austin Hooper to see how healthy he is. And

994
00:45:51,600 --> 00:45:54,719
Speaker 1: then also, you know, kind of correlated with that what

995
00:45:54,760 --> 00:45:58,520
Speaker 1: we hear about Julio Jones and his health. You know,

996
00:45:59,440 --> 00:46:01,879
Speaker 1: has the shoulder, you know, playing on a short week,

997
00:46:01,960 --> 00:46:05,600
Speaker 1: So we'll just be curious to see where Hooper slots in.

998
00:46:05,680 --> 00:46:07,800
Speaker 1: For me. Right now, I have him as the number

999
00:46:07,840 --> 00:46:10,239
Speaker 1: two tight end, but I think that's probably aggressive and

1000
00:46:10,280 --> 00:46:12,239
Speaker 1: I will probably move him down a little bit. But

1001
00:46:13,000 --> 00:46:14,759
Speaker 1: I think he has a lot of potential. And then

1002
00:46:15,000 --> 00:46:18,480
Speaker 1: the second what Pete said about Kelsey, I am pretty

1003
00:46:18,520 --> 00:46:21,160
Speaker 1: high on him this week. He has historically slayed the

1004
00:46:21,239 --> 00:46:24,080
Speaker 1: Raiders anytime he's had a chance to go against them.

1005
00:46:24,080 --> 00:46:27,120
Speaker 1: In Week two, granted that was without Tyreek Hill playing,

1006
00:46:27,200 --> 00:46:29,720
Speaker 1: but in Week two had one hundred and seven yards

1007
00:46:29,719 --> 00:46:32,800
Speaker 1: and a touchdown. You know, last year in Week thirteen

1008
00:46:32,840 --> 00:46:35,480
Speaker 1: he had one hundred and sixty eight yards and two touchdowns.

1009
00:46:35,480 --> 00:46:38,120
Speaker 1: Like he just destroys the Raiders two times a year.

1010
00:46:38,680 --> 00:46:41,440
Speaker 1: So this seems like a great time to load up

1011
00:46:41,440 --> 00:46:44,719
Speaker 1: on him. Pete, a tight end that you are relatively

1012
00:46:45,000 --> 00:46:46,680
Speaker 1: down on. Who are you looking at.

1013
00:46:46,920 --> 00:46:50,720
Speaker 4: Any tight end not named Kelsey Kittler Ertz. I'm jamming

1014
00:46:50,760 --> 00:46:54,600
Speaker 4: those guys in this week specifically, Kelsey, I'm with you,

1015
00:46:54,840 --> 00:46:57,560
Speaker 4: so going to keep the analysis short and simple. I

1016
00:46:57,560 --> 00:46:59,960
Speaker 4: do think there's a couple of value plays, but building lineup,

1017
00:47:00,160 --> 00:47:02,160
Speaker 4: I think you want to prioritize these top titans.

1018
00:47:02,280 --> 00:47:04,080
Speaker 1: All right, Sean, what about you? Who are you looking

1019
00:47:04,120 --> 00:47:05,439
Speaker 1: to stay away from? Yeah?

1020
00:47:05,560 --> 00:47:08,000
Speaker 5: I would agree with that take, and that's why I'm

1021
00:47:08,040 --> 00:47:12,160
Speaker 5: probably avoiding Mark Andrews at fifty seven hundred, way overpriced

1022
00:47:12,239 --> 00:47:14,600
Speaker 5: for the tough matchup. You know, he has a skill set,

1023
00:47:14,600 --> 00:47:17,120
Speaker 5: he can still overcome it, but in that price range,

1024
00:47:17,120 --> 00:47:20,520
Speaker 5: if you're going to go that route, I'd prefer Hunter, Henry,

1025
00:47:20,600 --> 00:47:23,640
Speaker 5: or even Darren Waller. I guess Hunter Renfro's injury is

1026
00:47:23,680 --> 00:47:27,279
Speaker 5: pretty bad. He like broke a rib and a long contusion,

1027
00:47:27,360 --> 00:47:30,080
Speaker 5: So I think Darren Waller could benefit one or two

1028
00:47:30,120 --> 00:47:32,520
Speaker 5: targets game with Renfro out over the middle. They don't

1029
00:47:32,520 --> 00:47:35,279
Speaker 5: really have anybody else that car will target, so I

1030
00:47:35,320 --> 00:47:37,600
Speaker 5: would just prefer Henry or Waller in this price range.

1031
00:47:37,760 --> 00:47:41,040
Speaker 5: I have Mark Andrews two to three points projected below

1032
00:47:41,080 --> 00:47:43,080
Speaker 5: each of those guys at fifty seven hundred.

1033
00:47:43,360 --> 00:47:44,200
Speaker 1: Raymond, what about you?

1034
00:47:44,680 --> 00:47:47,520
Speaker 3: For me, it's Mike Gaseki came through with a touchdown

1035
00:47:47,600 --> 00:47:50,719
Speaker 3: last week liked him, but this week he's going against Philadelphia,

1036
00:47:50,920 --> 00:47:55,680
Speaker 3: who has notoriously in this Jim Schwartz arab being one

1037
00:47:55,719 --> 00:47:57,760
Speaker 3: of the better teams against tight ends this year. They're

1038
00:47:58,000 --> 00:48:01,400
Speaker 3: number seven in DVOA against tight ends. And I'm with

1039
00:48:01,440 --> 00:48:04,680
Speaker 3: Sean and Pete. I think Devonte Parker is going to

1040
00:48:04,719 --> 00:48:07,960
Speaker 3: be the top target in this game, and they'll probably

1041
00:48:08,000 --> 00:48:09,960
Speaker 3: spread it around outside of him. I don't think it's

1042
00:48:10,280 --> 00:48:13,080
Speaker 3: one of those weeks where Guessecki kind of is that

1043
00:48:13,200 --> 00:48:15,440
Speaker 3: clear number two guy for Ryan Fitzpatrick.

1044
00:48:16,080 --> 00:48:18,320
Speaker 1: All right, Sean, give us the tight end, prop.

1045
00:48:18,640 --> 00:48:20,920
Speaker 5: So I think I think are know Pete's answer to this,

1046
00:48:21,080 --> 00:48:25,319
Speaker 5: But I ran my simulator for the main slate as

1047
00:48:25,360 --> 00:48:28,160
Speaker 5: to who will be the top scoring tight end. You

1048
00:48:28,160 --> 00:48:32,799
Speaker 5: can either choose Kelsey, Ertz, Henry and Evan Ingram or

1049
00:48:32,920 --> 00:48:33,960
Speaker 5: the entire field.

1050
00:48:34,760 --> 00:48:36,280
Speaker 4: I hate they included Evan Ingram.

1051
00:48:36,480 --> 00:48:39,200
Speaker 5: I know he so I have him, you know, fifty

1052
00:48:39,200 --> 00:48:41,320
Speaker 5: to fifty to play and that's that's what helped balance

1053
00:48:41,320 --> 00:48:42,520
Speaker 5: it out to fifty to fifty.

1054
00:48:42,560 --> 00:48:42,799
Speaker 2: Prop.

1055
00:48:43,239 --> 00:48:45,120
Speaker 4: Kittle is one of my favorite players in the NFL,

1056
00:48:45,160 --> 00:48:48,919
Speaker 4: but a tougher matchup versus Ravens team. Although a really

1057
00:48:48,960 --> 00:48:51,680
Speaker 4: good corner so we'll see how that pans out. But yeah,

1058
00:48:51,719 --> 00:48:54,799
Speaker 4: with Kelsey, I'm gonna take an initial group you listed.

1059
00:48:55,000 --> 00:48:57,759
Speaker 3: Yeah, same, you have Kelsey, you have Ertz, and you

1060
00:48:57,800 --> 00:49:01,080
Speaker 3: have Hunter Henry who you know to Uh, that's three

1061
00:49:01,080 --> 00:49:03,040
Speaker 3: of the four I think top tight ends for this week.

1062
00:49:03,120 --> 00:49:06,600
Speaker 3: So yeah, it's tough to fade Kittle and obviously something

1063
00:49:06,680 --> 00:49:08,960
Speaker 3: crazy could happen, but yeah, I'll go with that group too.

1064
00:49:09,800 --> 00:49:12,120
Speaker 1: I will go with let me see, I'll go with

1065
00:49:12,160 --> 00:49:14,600
Speaker 1: the field just to just kind of balance it out

1066
00:49:14,600 --> 00:49:18,200
Speaker 1: a little bit. And having having Kittle, uh, with the

1067
00:49:18,200 --> 00:49:21,960
Speaker 1: field I think helps in I think Evan Ingram probably

1068
00:49:22,000 --> 00:49:25,200
Speaker 1: will not play, which I'll you know, I'll take the

1069
00:49:25,239 --> 00:49:27,920
Speaker 1: bet on that. So that's that's kind of where where

1070
00:49:27,960 --> 00:49:28,839
Speaker 1: part of this comes down.

1071
00:49:29,120 --> 00:49:31,880
Speaker 4: These uh, these props. I mean, Sean, you're just the

1072
00:49:31,920 --> 00:49:33,600
Speaker 4: man I wish I thank you.

1073
00:49:34,200 --> 00:49:36,880
Speaker 5: It's the only fund when after all this, Tyler Higbee

1074
00:49:37,239 --> 00:49:39,439
Speaker 5: scores two touchdowns and takes you guys down.

1075
00:49:39,920 --> 00:49:42,120
Speaker 4: Just being able to set a good line is a

1076
00:49:42,160 --> 00:49:44,240
Speaker 4: signal that you have great projections and a good system.

1077
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Speaker 1: So shout out to Sean everyone again, have a fantastic Thanksgiving.

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