1 00:00:01,280 --> 00:00:01,920 Speaker 1: The volume. 2 00:00:05,320 --> 00:00:07,880 Speaker 2: I'm actually calling with more of a music industry question 3 00:00:07,960 --> 00:00:08,399 Speaker 2: for y'all. 4 00:00:08,600 --> 00:00:10,600 Speaker 3: Okay, So, as all of us. 5 00:00:10,440 --> 00:00:12,920 Speaker 2: Have probably known by now, Taylor Swift has released her 6 00:00:12,960 --> 00:00:16,680 Speaker 2: new album recently. Yes, And whenever Taylor releases a new album, 7 00:00:16,960 --> 00:00:20,200 Speaker 2: all of a sudden, the discourse of album variants comes 8 00:00:20,200 --> 00:00:25,319 Speaker 2: into play, even though most major artists release multiple different 9 00:00:25,360 --> 00:00:28,760 Speaker 2: variants of their albums and it's crickets on the timeline. 10 00:00:28,800 --> 00:00:31,720 Speaker 2: But then once Taylor does it, now there's this whole 11 00:00:31,720 --> 00:00:35,559 Speaker 2: discourse about how she's greedy and she hates her fans, 12 00:00:35,640 --> 00:00:38,360 Speaker 2: blah blah blah. And I did see on Twitter that 13 00:00:38,479 --> 00:00:41,680 Speaker 2: Russ was kind of defending her, and he made a 14 00:00:41,720 --> 00:00:43,839 Speaker 2: really good point to me where he said, you know, 15 00:00:43,920 --> 00:00:46,240 Speaker 2: if he decides to release merch or say new Rory 16 00:00:46,360 --> 00:00:50,120 Speaker 2: Mall releases merch and they have a hoodie, but they 17 00:00:50,120 --> 00:00:52,760 Speaker 2: have that hoodie and seven different colors, is that now, 18 00:00:52,800 --> 00:00:56,120 Speaker 2: all of a sudden greedy or is it just giving fans, 19 00:00:56,600 --> 00:00:58,840 Speaker 2: you know, variety and giving fans what they want. No 20 00:00:58,880 --> 00:01:02,720 Speaker 2: one's forcing them to buy seven hoodies. No one's forcing 21 00:01:02,760 --> 00:01:06,800 Speaker 2: anybody to buy ten different variants from Taylor Swift. So 22 00:01:06,840 --> 00:01:09,360 Speaker 2: what are your guys' opinions on album variants? Are they 23 00:01:09,360 --> 00:01:12,640 Speaker 2: a big deal? Is Twitter just blowing this up because 24 00:01:12,640 --> 00:01:15,760 Speaker 2: Taylor's reached a level of fame where everybody's just trying 25 00:01:15,800 --> 00:01:18,480 Speaker 2: to find a reason to tear her down. But yeah, 26 00:01:18,520 --> 00:01:19,959 Speaker 2: what's your guys' opinions on this? 27 00:01:20,360 --> 00:01:20,640 Speaker 3: Thanks? 28 00:01:22,440 --> 00:01:26,280 Speaker 4: I mean, he brought off the Russ tweet and that's 29 00:01:26,319 --> 00:01:27,400 Speaker 4: what I was going to bring up as well. 30 00:01:27,560 --> 00:01:28,920 Speaker 5: I agreed with what Russ said. 31 00:01:29,000 --> 00:01:31,959 Speaker 4: If you have the ability to create a fan base 32 00:01:32,040 --> 00:01:35,000 Speaker 4: that will buy multiple products from you, I don't think 33 00:01:35,080 --> 00:01:38,080 Speaker 4: there's anything to condemn there, Like, if you have that 34 00:01:38,160 --> 00:01:40,440 Speaker 4: ability where they will be that diehard to spend their 35 00:01:40,480 --> 00:01:43,160 Speaker 4: money to feed your fan base that way, like. 36 00:01:43,319 --> 00:01:44,920 Speaker 5: It's not feeding your fan base. 37 00:01:44,920 --> 00:01:46,520 Speaker 4: But I'm never going to get mad at Taylor Swift 38 00:01:46,560 --> 00:01:50,200 Speaker 4: being so good at creating a cult that they will 39 00:01:50,200 --> 00:01:52,520 Speaker 4: buy multiple versions of the same album if that's what 40 00:01:52,600 --> 00:01:55,200 Speaker 4: they want to do. I mean, this is still America, right, 41 00:01:56,400 --> 00:01:59,240 Speaker 4: they can do what they want with their money. 42 00:01:59,280 --> 00:02:02,400 Speaker 1: I don't think there's any I agree now, if you 43 00:02:02,440 --> 00:02:06,080 Speaker 1: want consumer if you want to fight it on the 44 00:02:06,080 --> 00:02:10,200 Speaker 1: basis of you feel like it's skewing numbers when you 45 00:02:10,240 --> 00:02:12,840 Speaker 1: release a deluxe, a deluxe deluxe and a deluxe deluxe. 46 00:02:12,840 --> 00:02:14,519 Speaker 1: If you feel like it's skewing numbers, you want to 47 00:02:14,600 --> 00:02:17,000 Speaker 1: argue that that's an argument that people have been having. 48 00:02:18,000 --> 00:02:18,600 Speaker 5: I get that, but. 49 00:02:18,680 --> 00:02:21,400 Speaker 4: Skewing numbers that that's only become well, let me not 50 00:02:21,400 --> 00:02:25,240 Speaker 4: say only become something recently, but it's heightened in social 51 00:02:25,240 --> 00:02:27,680 Speaker 4: media stand culture as of late. Of course, like once 52 00:02:27,760 --> 00:02:31,160 Speaker 4: fifty and Kanye battled it out, that started the whole 53 00:02:31,240 --> 00:02:33,760 Speaker 4: numbers talk for everything, but now it's to a whole 54 00:02:33,800 --> 00:02:38,000 Speaker 4: different level. Numbers don't matter to the world, Like, it 55 00:02:38,040 --> 00:02:41,600 Speaker 4: doesn't matter who cares if she manipulates the numbers there, 56 00:02:41,639 --> 00:02:44,400 Speaker 4: like that doesn't affect anyone's life except for this label 57 00:02:44,440 --> 00:02:44,880 Speaker 4: in her. 58 00:02:44,919 --> 00:02:46,359 Speaker 3: That's not well, that's not true. 59 00:02:46,360 --> 00:02:48,040 Speaker 1: I don't I don't think that that's what she's doing 60 00:02:48,120 --> 00:02:49,480 Speaker 1: or I don't care if that's what she's doing. But 61 00:02:49,560 --> 00:02:53,519 Speaker 1: that's not true. You yourself this and this wasn't numbers manipulation. 62 00:02:53,919 --> 00:02:57,919 Speaker 1: Your life changed because Tina Turner died before your album 63 00:02:57,960 --> 00:03:00,359 Speaker 1: came out and you were not able to to get 64 00:03:00,360 --> 00:03:02,280 Speaker 1: the number one R and B album, which you would 65 00:03:02,320 --> 00:03:04,680 Speaker 1: have had had Tina Turner not died, and. 66 00:03:04,600 --> 00:03:07,160 Speaker 3: People streamed her music and she beat you. Yeah, so. 67 00:03:08,639 --> 00:03:11,280 Speaker 1: Granted, Taylor's going number one anyway, But as far as 68 00:03:11,320 --> 00:03:15,359 Speaker 1: this period on the overall scale of large artists manipulating 69 00:03:15,400 --> 00:03:18,600 Speaker 1: things and releasing deluxe's deluxe' deluxe is where their album 70 00:03:18,680 --> 00:03:21,760 Speaker 1: now keeps going back up to number one, which may 71 00:03:21,880 --> 00:03:24,120 Speaker 1: keep somebody else from getting a number one on a 72 00:03:24,120 --> 00:03:25,919 Speaker 1: country chart or an R and B chart or a 73 00:03:25,960 --> 00:03:26,920 Speaker 1: Billboard spy. 74 00:03:27,200 --> 00:03:29,480 Speaker 3: So that does affect other people. 75 00:03:29,600 --> 00:03:32,840 Speaker 4: Like I said, I'm saying from the fan side, like 76 00:03:32,880 --> 00:03:36,160 Speaker 4: that's just become a stand Like, yeah, if it doesn't 77 00:03:36,200 --> 00:03:40,080 Speaker 4: affect anyone's life, if Taylor Swift is manipulating, now, yeah, 78 00:03:40,120 --> 00:03:43,240 Speaker 4: if I'm an artist and in my contract with a major, 79 00:03:43,600 --> 00:03:45,840 Speaker 4: I get a bump on an advance because if I 80 00:03:45,880 --> 00:03:48,320 Speaker 4: hit a number one or stipulations. 81 00:03:47,680 --> 00:03:49,240 Speaker 5: Like that, Yeah, I'm don't be fucking pissed. 82 00:03:49,480 --> 00:03:53,440 Speaker 4: I mean, I wasn't mad at Tina Turner, but but it. 83 00:03:53,360 --> 00:03:55,800 Speaker 5: Would have been nice to say, hey, I had number one. 84 00:03:55,880 --> 00:03:59,040 Speaker 4: But again, it also didn't affect anything about that album, 85 00:03:59,160 --> 00:04:01,200 Speaker 4: Like the album got the same amount of strings that 86 00:04:01,240 --> 00:04:03,040 Speaker 4: it would have had it been Yeah, of course I 87 00:04:03,040 --> 00:04:04,280 Speaker 4: think I ended up number three. 88 00:04:04,280 --> 00:04:05,280 Speaker 3: It was two teen to turn around. 89 00:04:05,440 --> 00:04:10,160 Speaker 4: Yeah, how I get a number three when I should. 90 00:04:09,960 --> 00:04:11,760 Speaker 5: Have number one. 91 00:04:12,280 --> 00:04:15,240 Speaker 4: But I mean, yeah, I wasn't really mad at that, 92 00:04:15,600 --> 00:04:19,599 Speaker 4: but I also am independent, Like there's certain milestones that 93 00:04:19,720 --> 00:04:22,360 Speaker 4: if I hit does it doesn't affect what my deal 94 00:04:22,400 --> 00:04:22,680 Speaker 4: will be. 95 00:04:22,839 --> 00:04:24,480 Speaker 5: Yeah, But to the. 96 00:04:24,360 --> 00:04:26,640 Speaker 4: Fans that talk about all this shit, like these numbers 97 00:04:26,640 --> 00:04:29,040 Speaker 4: don't affect any of you, Like I know, it's cool, 98 00:04:29,160 --> 00:04:30,919 Speaker 4: Like if you're a barb to be like, I'm happy 99 00:04:31,000 --> 00:04:32,680 Speaker 4: I can say Nicky has a number one, but if 100 00:04:32,760 --> 00:04:36,920 Speaker 4: NICKI has a number two, pause, the album is still 101 00:04:36,960 --> 00:04:39,160 Speaker 4: going to be the exact same to the consumer, like 102 00:04:39,279 --> 00:04:41,039 Speaker 4: nothing is going to change because of the numbers. But 103 00:04:41,120 --> 00:04:42,840 Speaker 4: Russ's point is, why the fuck would you be mad 104 00:04:42,839 --> 00:04:46,440 Speaker 4: at an artist that is utilizing their fan base. If 105 00:04:46,560 --> 00:04:48,360 Speaker 4: y'all want to buy a bunch of shit, do it to. 106 00:04:48,400 --> 00:04:50,760 Speaker 1: Play Devil's advocate because I agree with Russ, but to 107 00:04:50,760 --> 00:04:55,080 Speaker 1: play Devil's advocate just to have a conversation. If the 108 00:04:55,360 --> 00:04:59,200 Speaker 1: fan base is young kids, which Taylor does have a 109 00:04:59,200 --> 00:05:04,000 Speaker 1: lot of base, then you could say that you're manipulating 110 00:05:04,320 --> 00:05:07,120 Speaker 1: a younger fan base to continue to spend money on 111 00:05:07,160 --> 00:05:07,640 Speaker 1: your stuff. 112 00:05:07,680 --> 00:05:10,440 Speaker 4: Then I'm gonna get on my camera on Bill O'Reilly thing. 113 00:05:10,720 --> 00:05:13,720 Speaker 4: That's the parent's fault. If Amara Pompson says, I want 114 00:05:13,839 --> 00:05:16,320 Speaker 4: three versions of the same Taylor Swift album Omora, You're 115 00:05:16,360 --> 00:05:17,719 Speaker 4: getting one. 116 00:05:17,839 --> 00:05:20,400 Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, you're getting one of them. Now. 117 00:05:20,400 --> 00:05:22,320 Speaker 4: I think there's a lot of Swifties that are adults 118 00:05:22,400 --> 00:05:24,680 Speaker 4: that have great jobs, and however they want to spend 119 00:05:24,680 --> 00:05:26,120 Speaker 4: their money as long as not harming anyone. 120 00:05:26,360 --> 00:05:29,080 Speaker 5: Who are we to judge anyone for that? We all 121 00:05:29,080 --> 00:05:31,000 Speaker 5: buy weird shit. I was just talk about buying pussy. 122 00:05:31,120 --> 00:05:33,280 Speaker 5: I'm like, yeah, but I mean, but me and you 123 00:05:33,320 --> 00:05:34,360 Speaker 5: have had We had an. 124 00:05:36,760 --> 00:05:40,200 Speaker 1: Me and you had a disagreement, uh that we ended 125 00:05:40,279 --> 00:05:42,800 Speaker 1: up cutting out of an episode. As far as when 126 00:05:42,800 --> 00:05:45,920 Speaker 1: I said you should start a Patreon, a personal Patreon, 127 00:05:46,240 --> 00:05:48,520 Speaker 1: and then we talked about our own Patreon that we have, 128 00:05:48,640 --> 00:05:50,120 Speaker 1: as far as like you were like, well, I feel 129 00:05:50,120 --> 00:05:52,479 Speaker 1: bad having fans pay for things, and I said and 130 00:05:52,520 --> 00:05:54,320 Speaker 1: I said the exact same thing to you, where I said, 131 00:05:54,480 --> 00:05:56,200 Speaker 1: that's their fucking choice to spend their money. 132 00:05:56,440 --> 00:05:57,839 Speaker 3: You're not holding a gun to their head. 133 00:05:58,000 --> 00:05:59,760 Speaker 1: You're like, I feel like I'm asking them for money, 134 00:05:59,760 --> 00:06:01,960 Speaker 1: and it's like no, You're providing something and either they 135 00:06:02,000 --> 00:06:04,200 Speaker 1: find it valuable or not valuable, and it's up to 136 00:06:04,240 --> 00:06:05,360 Speaker 1: them to spend their money on it. 137 00:06:05,640 --> 00:06:08,440 Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, I guess I just view the consumer 138 00:06:08,480 --> 00:06:12,279 Speaker 4: thing as what they're like monthly overhead is and like 139 00:06:12,320 --> 00:06:14,159 Speaker 4: what we're asking Like all right, this month, we're asking 140 00:06:14,160 --> 00:06:17,760 Speaker 4: someone to pay for twenty dollars. Here, we're releasing merch 141 00:06:17,880 --> 00:06:22,159 Speaker 4: at this price. Oh, we also have live tickets on sale. 142 00:06:22,200 --> 00:06:24,440 Speaker 4: Like I think about those types of things because I 143 00:06:24,440 --> 00:06:25,960 Speaker 4: do care about our listeners, like. 144 00:06:26,440 --> 00:06:27,480 Speaker 5: To just add more shit. 145 00:06:27,600 --> 00:06:30,640 Speaker 4: Yeah, but that's you weren't wrong and anything you were 146 00:06:30,640 --> 00:06:33,200 Speaker 4: saying it was like just more of a morality thing 147 00:06:33,240 --> 00:06:35,800 Speaker 4: of like damn, I like I don't do I want 148 00:06:35,800 --> 00:06:37,680 Speaker 4: to ask them to spend another ten dollars like I 149 00:06:37,720 --> 00:06:38,400 Speaker 4: know I should be. 150 00:06:38,520 --> 00:06:40,000 Speaker 5: And that's what you have morals. 151 00:06:41,000 --> 00:06:44,320 Speaker 1: That's what the people are saying about Taylor Swift. 152 00:06:44,839 --> 00:06:46,640 Speaker 3: Okay, but here's saying she has no morals. 153 00:06:46,760 --> 00:06:50,000 Speaker 1: No, they're saying that she's not considering the. 154 00:06:49,960 --> 00:06:55,200 Speaker 3: Concert or you're just doing what most celebrities or stars do, 155 00:06:55,400 --> 00:06:57,960 Speaker 3: like people who are trying to find a way to Yeah, 156 00:06:58,000 --> 00:07:00,960 Speaker 3: you're trying to find a way to can please everybody, 157 00:07:01,000 --> 00:07:02,560 Speaker 3: but you want to try to please as many as 158 00:07:02,560 --> 00:07:06,119 Speaker 3: you can. So maybe you can't get this album, Maybe 159 00:07:06,160 --> 00:07:08,160 Speaker 3: you can't get this merch. Maybe you can't go to 160 00:07:08,160 --> 00:07:11,000 Speaker 3: this live show, but somebody can. Somebody can go to 161 00:07:11,000 --> 00:07:13,360 Speaker 3: this live show. Yeah, somebody. 162 00:07:13,600 --> 00:07:15,440 Speaker 5: Different options of shit, they different options of. 163 00:07:15,440 --> 00:07:17,400 Speaker 3: Things that you can buy and support your artists or 164 00:07:17,440 --> 00:07:19,280 Speaker 3: you know, whoever it is. I think you're both right 165 00:07:19,760 --> 00:07:21,560 Speaker 3: that you're supporting, but I don't think it's something that 166 00:07:21,640 --> 00:07:22,480 Speaker 3: should be frowned upon. 167 00:07:22,520 --> 00:07:22,640 Speaker 6: Now. 168 00:07:22,680 --> 00:07:25,160 Speaker 3: I do get where that can kind of trip the 169 00:07:25,240 --> 00:07:27,880 Speaker 3: numbers and things like that, but somebody like Taylor Swift 170 00:07:27,880 --> 00:07:30,960 Speaker 3: that doesn't. She's Taylor Swift, bro. The numbers are going 171 00:07:31,000 --> 00:07:33,080 Speaker 3: to be the numbers, no matter if she has one 172 00:07:33,160 --> 00:07:35,680 Speaker 3: version of her album or seventeen versions of albums, the 173 00:07:35,760 --> 00:07:38,080 Speaker 3: numbers are going to be incredible. Like that's just what 174 00:07:38,120 --> 00:07:38,400 Speaker 3: it is. 175 00:07:38,680 --> 00:07:41,080 Speaker 4: Yeah, And back to another conversation we had when we 176 00:07:41,080 --> 00:07:43,960 Speaker 4: were talking about like the billboard change, like the bundling 177 00:07:44,040 --> 00:07:46,760 Speaker 4: rules with after what like Travis was doing and that 178 00:07:46,920 --> 00:07:49,880 Speaker 4: entire thing. I never saw anything wrong with that either. 179 00:07:49,880 --> 00:07:51,880 Speaker 4: I understand why Nikki was complaining about it because she 180 00:07:51,920 --> 00:07:53,720 Speaker 4: felt like she should have had the number one. I 181 00:07:53,760 --> 00:07:58,680 Speaker 4: get that, but I know artists up to Taylor Swift 182 00:07:58,920 --> 00:08:02,320 Speaker 4: are getting fucked. They're getting manipulated by a label. You 183 00:08:02,400 --> 00:08:06,360 Speaker 4: have to find other strategies to manipulate a system that's 184 00:08:06,360 --> 00:08:09,680 Speaker 4: manipulating you. So yeah, of course I'm going to try 185 00:08:09,680 --> 00:08:11,200 Speaker 4: to bundle something. Of course I'm going to try to 186 00:08:11,400 --> 00:08:14,000 Speaker 4: sell different versions of this. I'm getting fucked over here anyways. 187 00:08:14,000 --> 00:08:17,600 Speaker 4: This system is not even designed to be an artist 188 00:08:17,640 --> 00:08:20,520 Speaker 4: friendly system. I have to find new ways to do 189 00:08:20,560 --> 00:08:22,720 Speaker 4: this shit right to make Not to say Taylor Shope 190 00:08:22,760 --> 00:08:25,480 Speaker 4: needs more money, but you know, just in general, for 191 00:08:25,560 --> 00:08:29,720 Speaker 4: any artists, it's not. It's tricking a system that's tricking 192 00:08:29,760 --> 00:08:31,800 Speaker 4: the artists. That's why I was never mad when people 193 00:08:31,840 --> 00:08:34,840 Speaker 4: did bundles. Travis, Helly, you're a fucking great designer with 194 00:08:34,880 --> 00:08:38,600 Speaker 4: your merch You're a great artist. Like, yeah, work the 195 00:08:38,640 --> 00:08:41,240 Speaker 4: system that's trying to work, y'all already, right, I'm never mad. 196 00:08:41,120 --> 00:08:43,040 Speaker 3: At that type of shit. No, you can't be mad at. 197 00:08:43,080 --> 00:08:45,400 Speaker 4: So that's why I even love that, like people care 198 00:08:45,400 --> 00:08:48,400 Speaker 4: about vinyls again, just because I know that's gonna help 199 00:08:48,480 --> 00:08:51,200 Speaker 4: so many artists because people will stream their music but 200 00:08:51,200 --> 00:08:53,160 Speaker 4: also want to buy a collectible of the same shit. 201 00:08:53,240 --> 00:08:54,880 Speaker 5: Like, to me, that's that's cool for an artist. 202 00:08:55,080 --> 00:08:56,920 Speaker 3: It's part of being a consumer, part of being a 203 00:08:56,960 --> 00:09:00,880 Speaker 3: fan of He created the artists, And I get how 204 00:09:01,360 --> 00:09:03,080 Speaker 3: some people like to have that argument about what it 205 00:09:03,120 --> 00:09:04,800 Speaker 3: does for the numbers and things like that, and they 206 00:09:04,800 --> 00:09:07,320 Speaker 3: feel like the artist is trying to play the numbers game. 207 00:09:07,360 --> 00:09:09,439 Speaker 3: And again, even if that is what the artist is 208 00:09:09,440 --> 00:09:11,520 Speaker 3: trying to do, what is the problem. You're in the 209 00:09:11,600 --> 00:09:14,240 Speaker 3: music business. You're in the business of selling music, selling products. 210 00:09:14,240 --> 00:09:16,040 Speaker 3: So I mean, it is what it is. 211 00:09:16,080 --> 00:09:18,800 Speaker 4: And let's not act like fans and consumers aren't like 212 00:09:19,600 --> 00:09:22,559 Speaker 4: I mean, at least the nerdier ones like myself aren't 213 00:09:22,600 --> 00:09:25,880 Speaker 4: like collectors. Like if I'm a hard core tailor Swift fan, 214 00:09:26,440 --> 00:09:27,040 Speaker 4: you mean you're not. 215 00:09:27,559 --> 00:09:28,680 Speaker 5: Of course, of course. 216 00:09:28,520 --> 00:09:31,400 Speaker 3: I'm swiftly Okay, I'm just checking. I'm part of this. 217 00:09:31,400 --> 00:09:33,320 Speaker 5: About I'm part of the six million tales. 218 00:09:33,360 --> 00:09:35,440 Speaker 3: Yeah, you're about to get the Swifty car revoked real quick. 219 00:09:36,240 --> 00:09:38,880 Speaker 4: If I'm a hard core tailor Swift fan and I 220 00:09:39,040 --> 00:09:42,319 Speaker 4: collect shit, I'm like, yeah, I'll buy three different color 221 00:09:42,480 --> 00:09:44,040 Speaker 4: versions because I like to collect things. 222 00:09:44,440 --> 00:09:45,679 Speaker 5: I don't think there's anything wrong with it. 223 00:09:45,920 --> 00:09:46,760 Speaker 3: No. 224 00:09:46,760 --> 00:09:51,439 Speaker 4: Now, if you're manipulating shit with whether it be botser 225 00:09:51,480 --> 00:09:53,360 Speaker 4: behind the scenes like with other that that's a whole 226 00:09:53,360 --> 00:09:57,840 Speaker 4: separate conversation. But direct to consumer with a product. Wrong 227 00:09:57,880 --> 00:10:01,960 Speaker 4: with that shit, not at all sell it all feel No, 228 00:10:05,120 --> 00:10:09,360 Speaker 4: it's interesting too that like rappers kind of get the 229 00:10:09,360 --> 00:10:11,280 Speaker 4: the rap no pun intended that they're the ones that 230 00:10:11,320 --> 00:10:14,280 Speaker 4: are standoffish or won't work with each other. R and 231 00:10:14,280 --> 00:10:17,640 Speaker 4: B artists are that times ten, Like if you go 232 00:10:17,760 --> 00:10:21,280 Speaker 4: with the Coles, Kendricks, Drake, Big Sean wile A like 233 00:10:21,360 --> 00:10:25,000 Speaker 4: that class, they've all collaborated with each other. Now if 234 00:10:25,000 --> 00:10:27,960 Speaker 4: you would go with your class, which I you frank 235 00:10:28,240 --> 00:10:31,760 Speaker 4: weekend party next door, Like yeah, R and B people 236 00:10:31,960 --> 00:10:35,480 Speaker 4: even with their graduating class and never really fuck with 237 00:10:35,520 --> 00:10:36,120 Speaker 4: each other like that. 238 00:10:36,160 --> 00:10:38,320 Speaker 6: It's it's a trip. It's a trip. I was just 239 00:10:38,360 --> 00:10:40,840 Speaker 6: having this conversation too. I was we were talking about 240 00:10:41,520 --> 00:10:47,800 Speaker 6: the difference in support also because I can hear that 241 00:10:47,960 --> 00:10:50,679 Speaker 6: class in the music and you know, and it's like 242 00:10:50,800 --> 00:10:52,200 Speaker 6: I can look at it and be like, damn, like 243 00:10:52,679 --> 00:10:54,960 Speaker 6: I did my thing, we did our thing, like it's 244 00:10:55,000 --> 00:10:59,200 Speaker 6: it's in like I can hear how my approach is 245 00:10:59,240 --> 00:11:01,640 Speaker 6: like really actually kind of affected, and it's it's such 246 00:11:01,679 --> 00:11:03,920 Speaker 6: a it's a dope thing to see and to see 247 00:11:03,960 --> 00:11:06,960 Speaker 6: everyone else, you know, see everyone else's influence and the 248 00:11:07,000 --> 00:11:10,160 Speaker 6: shaping of the sound. I mean, we started alternative R 249 00:11:10,160 --> 00:11:12,200 Speaker 6: and B. There was no category for that, you know, 250 00:11:12,240 --> 00:11:13,120 Speaker 6: it was like we did that. 251 00:11:13,280 --> 00:11:16,120 Speaker 5: Yeah, there was no blog R and B. Yeah, we 252 00:11:16,120 --> 00:11:17,480 Speaker 5: were the ones R it was. 253 00:11:18,080 --> 00:11:21,000 Speaker 6: And it is a shame to kind of to think 254 00:11:21,080 --> 00:11:23,240 Speaker 6: that we actually never really did. 255 00:11:23,360 --> 00:11:25,200 Speaker 5: And I don't know what that what that's about. 256 00:11:25,880 --> 00:11:31,480 Speaker 6: I think about historically, you know, when when soul music 257 00:11:31,559 --> 00:11:34,640 Speaker 6: was in Detroit, when it was Philly or Detroit, there 258 00:11:34,720 --> 00:11:39,760 Speaker 6: was a hub of in a scene where writers and 259 00:11:39,960 --> 00:11:42,880 Speaker 6: artists were working together. Stevie's all over all the motime, right, 260 00:11:43,240 --> 00:11:45,720 Speaker 6: you know what I mean. Marvin Gaye was in you know, 261 00:11:45,800 --> 00:11:47,920 Speaker 6: he was in a band, he was they were all 262 00:11:47,960 --> 00:11:52,400 Speaker 6: working together, travel together, on tours together. 263 00:11:53,240 --> 00:11:56,000 Speaker 5: I still don't have an answer for why it doesn't happen. 264 00:11:56,120 --> 00:11:57,520 Speaker 4: I mean, I think with a lot of them, they 265 00:11:57,559 --> 00:12:02,240 Speaker 4: had similar producers in common, so they would be in sessions. 266 00:12:02,720 --> 00:12:05,640 Speaker 4: Everyone was kind of running through the same system. Where 267 00:12:05,679 --> 00:12:09,200 Speaker 4: that's different now and I think rappers also, it's a 268 00:12:09,240 --> 00:12:12,040 Speaker 4: bit easier if we both walk into a studio and 269 00:12:12,120 --> 00:12:15,680 Speaker 4: agree on a beat, something can easily come out of that. 270 00:12:15,720 --> 00:12:18,040 Speaker 4: Where I feel like some of the greater R and 271 00:12:18,120 --> 00:12:21,440 Speaker 4: B artists are so in tune with their production like 272 00:12:21,480 --> 00:12:23,880 Speaker 4: they are producers as well. That can get weird, Like 273 00:12:23,880 --> 00:12:25,880 Speaker 4: if you and Frank walk into a studio, you're both 274 00:12:25,920 --> 00:12:29,960 Speaker 4: going to have different directions as far as the production goes. 275 00:12:30,000 --> 00:12:32,480 Speaker 5: The approach are the son the sonic. 276 00:12:32,240 --> 00:12:34,920 Speaker 4: Whereas you know, a loop beat with a fucking soul 277 00:12:35,000 --> 00:12:37,720 Speaker 4: sample cole And while I. 278 00:12:37,720 --> 00:12:40,000 Speaker 5: Would be like this is great, let's go yeah, like Banger, 279 00:12:41,520 --> 00:12:42,440 Speaker 5: it is going to go crazy. 280 00:12:42,520 --> 00:12:44,640 Speaker 4: So I think maybe that's where it could derive from, 281 00:12:44,679 --> 00:12:47,559 Speaker 4: just on the production side, because everyone's so hands on. 282 00:12:48,240 --> 00:12:54,760 Speaker 6: Especially before too we're talking about songwriters. Yeah, SI crafters 283 00:12:54,840 --> 00:12:58,520 Speaker 6: like I write and produced, like I've produced it or 284 00:12:58,559 --> 00:13:00,559 Speaker 6: real music. I wrote that song, you know what I mean. 285 00:13:00,679 --> 00:13:05,520 Speaker 6: I wrote short thing and they're not. It's not a verse. Also, 286 00:13:05,559 --> 00:13:08,240 Speaker 6: it's also the approach like a crazy verse from an 287 00:13:08,320 --> 00:13:11,080 Speaker 6: MC is gonna be like can kill the whole song. 288 00:13:11,840 --> 00:13:15,800 Speaker 6: It's like, man like, let me think like Nicki Minaj's 289 00:13:15,880 --> 00:13:20,679 Speaker 6: verse on Monster, like her verse won the song. 290 00:13:21,200 --> 00:13:22,839 Speaker 5: You know what I'm saying, two of the greatest rappers 291 00:13:22,840 --> 00:13:24,160 Speaker 5: of all time on that. 292 00:13:24,480 --> 00:13:27,120 Speaker 6: But it's like a verse can go crazy for MC, 293 00:13:27,440 --> 00:13:31,520 Speaker 6: but for singing for I don't know how you know, 294 00:13:32,120 --> 00:13:34,520 Speaker 6: I think it can stick I think now it's evolved 295 00:13:34,559 --> 00:13:36,880 Speaker 6: where we could approach it that way, and I think 296 00:13:36,920 --> 00:13:41,080 Speaker 6: it'd be interesting to explore it like that. But I 297 00:13:41,120 --> 00:13:43,880 Speaker 6: know in the past it was about we're singer songwriters, 298 00:13:43,880 --> 00:13:46,160 Speaker 6: you know, and we're producers, so it was about the song. 299 00:13:46,280 --> 00:13:48,760 Speaker 6: It was the whole thing and artists. So I wonder 300 00:13:48,800 --> 00:13:51,760 Speaker 6: if there's something interesting there, though, you know, it's like, 301 00:13:51,920 --> 00:13:55,280 Speaker 6: what if we just approach it as versus you know, have. 302 00:13:55,280 --> 00:13:58,880 Speaker 3: You ever had to meet any of your idols or 303 00:13:59,360 --> 00:14:02,760 Speaker 3: people that you thought toone like disappointed and like heartbroken, 304 00:14:02,840 --> 00:14:05,200 Speaker 3: like oh this person is not really a good person, 305 00:14:05,320 --> 00:14:06,880 Speaker 3: or like not what I thought? 306 00:14:06,880 --> 00:14:10,720 Speaker 6: It would be definitely ones where I wish we would 307 00:14:10,760 --> 00:14:13,800 Speaker 6: have got on like it, like we could have found 308 00:14:13,800 --> 00:14:16,360 Speaker 6: some like Okay, I funk with you, like I'm a personal. 309 00:14:16,679 --> 00:14:18,760 Speaker 5: Uh who did I not? 310 00:14:18,960 --> 00:14:19,280 Speaker 4: Really? 311 00:14:21,320 --> 00:14:24,160 Speaker 6: You know what, Honestly, I would almost say I would 312 00:14:24,160 --> 00:14:27,720 Speaker 6: wager that more it was like me that. 313 00:14:27,760 --> 00:14:31,400 Speaker 3: Was it was was like, oh, am I the problem. 314 00:14:32,440 --> 00:14:35,080 Speaker 5: This was the eight years of disappearing. I needed to go. 315 00:14:36,360 --> 00:14:37,400 Speaker 5: I was the problem. 316 00:14:37,920 --> 00:14:38,240 Speaker 4: I am. 317 00:14:40,160 --> 00:14:41,400 Speaker 3: Trauma. 318 00:14:42,120 --> 00:14:44,920 Speaker 4: So we'll tell you that you felt that way that 319 00:14:45,120 --> 00:14:46,840 Speaker 4: you look back like you know what, damn, I'm like 320 00:14:46,840 --> 00:14:47,560 Speaker 4: I fucked that up. 321 00:14:47,960 --> 00:14:49,440 Speaker 5: No, No, I'll say this. I'll say this. 322 00:14:49,440 --> 00:14:51,640 Speaker 6: This is when I like, I wish it would and 323 00:14:51,680 --> 00:14:55,880 Speaker 6: it wasn't because anyone was was when we were doing 324 00:14:55,880 --> 00:14:57,840 Speaker 6: when I was doing Kalaudoscope Dream, I was here at 325 00:14:58,600 --> 00:15:01,840 Speaker 6: at Platinum Sound. I was over there for a long 326 00:15:01,880 --> 00:15:04,600 Speaker 6: time when Platinum Sound was over on in Midtown. 327 00:15:05,120 --> 00:15:07,800 Speaker 5: Shout out to Jerry One, Jerry One. 328 00:15:08,520 --> 00:15:11,480 Speaker 6: I mean what happened in that studio in terms of 329 00:15:11,560 --> 00:15:13,680 Speaker 6: just like the amount of fun and the songs and 330 00:15:13,720 --> 00:15:17,840 Speaker 6: all that was incredible. And I was we have finally 331 00:15:17,880 --> 00:15:20,600 Speaker 6: had momentum and a Dorn was was having a moment 332 00:15:21,160 --> 00:15:22,880 Speaker 6: and we were finishing the album. I got to work 333 00:15:22,920 --> 00:15:25,960 Speaker 6: with Pharrell finally, and Farrell came and he spent some 334 00:15:26,080 --> 00:15:30,200 Speaker 6: days with me, and and I still look at those 335 00:15:30,240 --> 00:15:32,120 Speaker 6: sessions and I'm like, man, I really wish we would 336 00:15:32,120 --> 00:15:36,040 Speaker 6: have found one. What we did doesn't fit the album. 337 00:15:36,240 --> 00:15:38,960 Speaker 6: It doesn't it like it would have never worked on 338 00:15:39,040 --> 00:15:43,360 Speaker 6: Kaleidoscope Dream. And I'm I'm I'm clear about that, But 339 00:15:43,720 --> 00:15:46,080 Speaker 6: also like I just wish I would have locked in 340 00:15:46,120 --> 00:15:48,520 Speaker 6: with him more because he's a hero of mine, you know, 341 00:15:49,320 --> 00:15:53,720 Speaker 6: And and I always like, just like damn, I wish. 342 00:15:53,600 --> 00:15:54,240 Speaker 5: Like was it me? 343 00:15:54,480 --> 00:15:57,600 Speaker 6: Like, was I just like too? And I was really 344 00:15:57,600 --> 00:16:00,560 Speaker 6: adamant too. I was like I knew what I wanted it, yeah, 345 00:16:00,720 --> 00:16:03,800 Speaker 6: and I was really sure. 346 00:16:04,200 --> 00:16:04,360 Speaker 3: Yeah. 347 00:16:04,440 --> 00:16:05,800 Speaker 5: It's like it's a. 348 00:16:05,720 --> 00:16:08,520 Speaker 3: Bad thing because that has to be commendable and respectable, 349 00:16:08,640 --> 00:16:12,040 Speaker 3: especially for Pharrell to see a young artist so fixed 350 00:16:12,080 --> 00:16:14,280 Speaker 3: on who they are and what they want and the 351 00:16:14,320 --> 00:16:16,520 Speaker 3: sound that they want to create. I know what you mean, 352 00:16:16,640 --> 00:16:18,320 Speaker 3: because it's like, this is for real. 353 00:16:19,160 --> 00:16:21,480 Speaker 5: But I will say this though he did he had. 354 00:16:21,560 --> 00:16:25,440 Speaker 6: I mean, look, he's a visionary and he came in 355 00:16:25,480 --> 00:16:28,960 Speaker 6: and we cut this record that is a banger. I 356 00:16:29,160 --> 00:16:31,280 Speaker 6: don't even I can't find like the hard drive that 357 00:16:31,360 --> 00:16:33,520 Speaker 6: has the session on and it's like it's somewhere in 358 00:16:33,920 --> 00:16:38,440 Speaker 6: storage somewhere, but but it it's very much feels like 359 00:16:38,480 --> 00:16:40,880 Speaker 6: a Prince record. But if I were, if I but 360 00:16:41,040 --> 00:16:43,880 Speaker 6: me still, you know, but he came in with such 361 00:16:43,920 --> 00:16:46,280 Speaker 6: a vision and I don't think I was ready for that. 362 00:16:46,360 --> 00:16:49,040 Speaker 6: I was like, how to clear out a clear different vision? 363 00:16:50,000 --> 00:16:54,920 Speaker 6: And I've seen in subsequent interviews of his they've asked 364 00:16:54,960 --> 00:16:57,120 Speaker 6: some questions like, I mean, you could tell I've thought 365 00:16:57,120 --> 00:16:57,480 Speaker 6: about this. 366 00:16:57,560 --> 00:16:58,640 Speaker 5: I really thought about this. 367 00:16:58,720 --> 00:17:00,760 Speaker 3: Yeah, this has been halting you bro, it's been on 368 00:17:00,800 --> 00:17:04,200 Speaker 3: my bout like man, like why like why didn't we 369 00:17:04,359 --> 00:17:06,639 Speaker 3: I know it was all that, like damn didn't. 370 00:17:08,520 --> 00:17:11,200 Speaker 4: If Kladscope Dreams wasn't a classic, I'd say this should 371 00:17:11,280 --> 00:17:16,920 Speaker 4: keep you. But but would that have worked maybe more 372 00:17:16,960 --> 00:17:21,400 Speaker 4: on Wild because I mean that was kind of the 373 00:17:21,400 --> 00:17:24,040 Speaker 4: stereotypical fan perspective of like, all right, is he about 374 00:17:24,080 --> 00:17:25,320 Speaker 4: to do his prints thing? 375 00:17:25,440 --> 00:17:27,920 Speaker 5: He's going yeah, he's going no No. 376 00:17:28,320 --> 00:17:32,240 Speaker 6: I think on the contrary, this was this well, I 377 00:17:32,240 --> 00:17:36,040 Speaker 6: don't even know where this record would have fit, but 378 00:17:36,119 --> 00:17:38,320 Speaker 6: I do think it would have probably at the time 379 00:17:38,400 --> 00:17:40,720 Speaker 6: it probably would have hit. I think he was right, yeah, 380 00:17:40,720 --> 00:17:46,600 Speaker 6: And I think based on what what fans wanted, what's 381 00:17:46,720 --> 00:17:49,639 Speaker 6: known about me and my taste and who I'm drawing 382 00:17:49,680 --> 00:17:52,000 Speaker 6: from my inspirations and whatnot, it would have made a 383 00:17:52,040 --> 00:17:54,119 Speaker 6: lot of sense. And the record was a great record, 384 00:17:55,880 --> 00:17:57,560 Speaker 6: but I just wanted to go a different direction. 385 00:17:57,800 --> 00:17:59,399 Speaker 4: And he spoke about it in interviews as well that 386 00:17:59,600 --> 00:18:03,200 Speaker 4: No talked about other He's talked about other situations where 387 00:18:03,200 --> 00:18:05,879 Speaker 4: he's been in a room and he's like, you know, 388 00:18:06,000 --> 00:18:10,359 Speaker 4: not everybody's ready to hear my vision, and the ones 389 00:18:10,400 --> 00:18:14,480 Speaker 4: that do have listened, you know, he's like, more often 390 00:18:14,520 --> 00:18:18,280 Speaker 4: than not have had great moments with him, and he didn't. 391 00:18:18,880 --> 00:18:24,360 Speaker 5: He's talking about you watch YouTube, that's about me. This 392 00:18:24,440 --> 00:18:28,240 Speaker 5: is about me. 393 00:18:28,640 --> 00:18:28,880 Speaker 4: Yeah. 394 00:18:29,040 --> 00:18:30,359 Speaker 5: No, No, he definitely wasn't. 395 00:18:30,720 --> 00:18:32,320 Speaker 6: And I think it might have been an interview before, 396 00:18:32,480 --> 00:18:36,600 Speaker 6: even before I worked with him. But but I think 397 00:18:36,600 --> 00:18:39,520 Speaker 6: he was like referring to like maybe Justin or something 398 00:18:39,560 --> 00:18:41,040 Speaker 6: at the time, and he's like, you know, not every 399 00:18:41,119 --> 00:18:43,520 Speaker 6: time I go in and they're ready to hear what 400 00:18:43,560 --> 00:18:47,840 Speaker 6: I what I'm seeing, but when they trust me to 401 00:18:47,960 --> 00:18:50,000 Speaker 6: just do the thing, he's like, that's where that's how 402 00:18:50,040 --> 00:18:51,480 Speaker 6: we get this and that. And I think he was 403 00:18:51,520 --> 00:18:55,800 Speaker 6: talking about Justin and whatnot. He might have mentioned Kendrick 404 00:18:55,920 --> 00:18:58,680 Speaker 6: or something in it, but that is one of those 405 00:18:58,720 --> 00:19:02,399 Speaker 6: ones where it wasn't either of us. It just didn't happen, 406 00:19:02,760 --> 00:19:04,320 Speaker 6: And I always look at it and I'm like, man, 407 00:19:04,960 --> 00:19:05,640 Speaker 6: would have it again. 408 00:19:05,640 --> 00:19:09,639 Speaker 5: I think that speaks more to greatness and your vision. 409 00:19:09,720 --> 00:19:13,000 Speaker 4: Like for example, we definitely we were talking when Ji 410 00:19:13,119 --> 00:19:14,720 Speaker 4: D dropped his record with. 411 00:19:14,840 --> 00:19:17,320 Speaker 5: Eminem and was like, this isn't on the album. 412 00:19:17,160 --> 00:19:20,600 Speaker 4: And it made me go, oh, this JID album has 413 00:19:20,640 --> 00:19:22,439 Speaker 4: to be great. That if he's so stuck on his 414 00:19:22,560 --> 00:19:27,280 Speaker 4: vision that this eminem or is not what I'm trying 415 00:19:27,280 --> 00:19:28,040 Speaker 4: to do with a project. 416 00:19:28,040 --> 00:19:29,240 Speaker 5: It made me more excited about it. 417 00:19:29,640 --> 00:19:32,920 Speaker 4: Beuse to just leave off of eminem versus your album 418 00:19:33,080 --> 00:19:36,600 Speaker 4: is like vision the same way of like, damn, I 419 00:19:36,600 --> 00:19:38,800 Speaker 4: really about to just leave a Farel session and be like, 420 00:19:38,920 --> 00:19:40,520 Speaker 4: nah the fuck. 421 00:19:40,880 --> 00:19:43,240 Speaker 6: We did a couple other ones, and I've been meaning 422 00:19:43,240 --> 00:19:45,959 Speaker 6: to hit him because he was telling me earlier that 423 00:19:46,040 --> 00:19:50,119 Speaker 6: I should be leaning into just being Latino and like 424 00:19:50,680 --> 00:19:53,959 Speaker 6: he's like, bro, who can do it? He was definitely 425 00:19:54,040 --> 00:19:57,719 Speaker 6: like he was coaching, you know. He was like, and 426 00:19:57,920 --> 00:20:00,119 Speaker 6: I wasn't in the place at the time. Also, I 427 00:20:00,400 --> 00:20:03,199 Speaker 6: didn't feel like I had done the work to feel 428 00:20:04,200 --> 00:20:07,960 Speaker 6: doing music in Spanish felt organic. It's just it was 429 00:20:08,000 --> 00:20:09,960 Speaker 6: too too big of a leap at the time. But 430 00:20:10,040 --> 00:20:15,080 Speaker 6: he's like, he's like a whole I mean maybe ten 431 00:20:15,200 --> 00:20:18,760 Speaker 6: years actually, because after my sessions for Kaleidoscope Dream, we 432 00:20:18,800 --> 00:20:21,200 Speaker 6: worked in like Nashville during like Bonnu or some shit 433 00:20:21,240 --> 00:20:25,160 Speaker 6: like that, and he was like, bro, you gotta get 434 00:20:25,200 --> 00:20:29,600 Speaker 6: on your Latin shit hard, and he cooked up some 435 00:20:29,600 --> 00:20:33,600 Speaker 6: some like you know those rhythms, and I just wasn't 436 00:20:33,640 --> 00:20:36,640 Speaker 6: ready for it. But then fast forward eight years later, 437 00:20:36,840 --> 00:20:40,720 Speaker 6: just on this album. Kyle was like, I'm definitely intro am. 438 00:20:40,720 --> 00:20:46,120 Speaker 6: I yeah, yeah, I'm in it and I've been waiting 439 00:20:46,160 --> 00:20:48,119 Speaker 6: for it for the time. When I see him and 440 00:20:48,160 --> 00:20:50,560 Speaker 6: I'm like, you were right, bro, I just wasn't ready. Yeah, yeah, 441 00:20:50,560 --> 00:20:51,840 Speaker 6: because this album definitely got. 442 00:20:52,720 --> 00:20:54,359 Speaker 5: You still have that loaded up in your NPC, the 443 00:20:54,359 --> 00:20:56,680 Speaker 5: shit you cooked up and that, I'm like, where is that. 444 00:20:58,400 --> 00:21:04,720 Speaker 3: Storage up hard drive? And we're gonna get into that. 445 00:21:05,320 --> 00:21:09,240 Speaker 3: We're gonna get into the snitches and the rats everybody 446 00:21:09,320 --> 00:21:12,679 Speaker 3: else what happened or you just open your phone. 447 00:21:13,160 --> 00:21:15,240 Speaker 1: I've seen you guys send something to the group chat 448 00:21:15,280 --> 00:21:16,480 Speaker 1: about the NBA. 449 00:21:16,560 --> 00:21:18,520 Speaker 5: But I don't know. I'm just a girl. I don't 450 00:21:18,560 --> 00:21:19,320 Speaker 5: know what's going. 451 00:21:19,119 --> 00:21:23,080 Speaker 3: On the NBA. It's huh, no bets allowed. It's about 452 00:21:23,080 --> 00:21:23,640 Speaker 3: to be some shit. 453 00:21:23,880 --> 00:21:24,679 Speaker 5: No bets allowed. 454 00:21:25,119 --> 00:21:29,160 Speaker 3: BET's a lot, I'm telling you. But I always listen. Bro. 455 00:21:29,280 --> 00:21:33,480 Speaker 3: When they made gambling legal, and they even started having 456 00:21:33,560 --> 00:21:36,800 Speaker 3: like you know, the lo loos with the logos on 457 00:21:36,960 --> 00:21:39,560 Speaker 3: like uniforms, and you know, if you're watching the game 458 00:21:39,560 --> 00:21:41,560 Speaker 3: of TV, they even have a way they could put 459 00:21:41,600 --> 00:21:43,400 Speaker 3: the logo on the court that's not really on the court. 460 00:21:43,440 --> 00:21:45,600 Speaker 3: Only people on TV could. And they started doing shit 461 00:21:45,760 --> 00:21:49,840 Speaker 3: like that. You gotta know that the guys behind these 462 00:21:49,840 --> 00:21:53,280 Speaker 3: things are in business together. You have to, which means 463 00:21:53,320 --> 00:21:55,720 Speaker 3: now the people that are part of it, they're gonna 464 00:21:55,720 --> 00:21:59,360 Speaker 3: be approached for conversations and opportunities to make a little 465 00:21:59,359 --> 00:22:01,560 Speaker 3: extra money on the side. If you know, if you're 466 00:22:01,560 --> 00:22:03,520 Speaker 3: a coach, if you're a player, if you can make 467 00:22:03,560 --> 00:22:08,240 Speaker 3: an extra six seven million that nobody knows about, you're 468 00:22:08,240 --> 00:22:11,240 Speaker 3: probably gonna take that opportunity for sure. And lo and behold, 469 00:22:11,280 --> 00:22:12,840 Speaker 3: today we open our phone. But this is just a 470 00:22:12,840 --> 00:22:15,480 Speaker 3: trickle now, because you remember, Gilbert Arenas was arrested a 471 00:22:15,480 --> 00:22:19,800 Speaker 3: few months ago by the FBI for running illegal poker 472 00:22:19,840 --> 00:22:23,040 Speaker 3: games and things like that. Now, I'm not calling gil 473 00:22:23,040 --> 00:22:25,640 Speaker 3: with a snitch, but he did. He did say out 474 00:22:25,680 --> 00:22:30,840 Speaker 3: his mouth he didn't snitch yet, but I will. Those 475 00:22:30,840 --> 00:22:33,639 Speaker 3: are Gilbert Wards. If Josh maybe can pull it up. 476 00:22:34,160 --> 00:22:37,200 Speaker 3: I believe verb beata. He said, I didn't snitch yet, 477 00:22:37,480 --> 00:22:40,359 Speaker 3: I didn't cooperate, but I will. So now today we 478 00:22:40,480 --> 00:22:45,720 Speaker 3: have Damon Jones being arrested. We have Chauncey Billups being arrested. 479 00:22:46,000 --> 00:22:49,280 Speaker 3: We have Terry Roseah whose situation is separate, but it's 480 00:22:49,320 --> 00:22:52,200 Speaker 3: still a gambling arrest as well. 481 00:22:53,960 --> 00:22:57,040 Speaker 4: No man, how many Gilbert was at those court steps, 482 00:22:57,480 --> 00:22:59,840 Speaker 4: smiling ear to ear when he left his dedctment. 483 00:23:00,119 --> 00:23:02,119 Speaker 3: Yeah, because Gilbert is probably like, listen, I'm not the 484 00:23:02,119 --> 00:23:04,120 Speaker 3: big fish. I know what y'all want here, y'all want, 485 00:23:04,560 --> 00:23:06,879 Speaker 3: y'all want the big guy. That's not me. Yeah. I 486 00:23:06,920 --> 00:23:09,639 Speaker 3: was gambling and I was running poker games. You know, 487 00:23:09,720 --> 00:23:14,000 Speaker 3: it wasn't I owned the house. But you know, and 488 00:23:14,040 --> 00:23:16,239 Speaker 3: this is what Gilbert said, he won't be worried. Good 489 00:23:16,280 --> 00:23:18,040 Speaker 3: luck in court. I'm pretty sure I ain't going to 490 00:23:18,119 --> 00:23:19,840 Speaker 3: be there when it start, when it's starting to go, 491 00:23:19,880 --> 00:23:23,840 Speaker 3: because yeah, I'm snitching. No Gilber's words. 492 00:23:24,920 --> 00:23:26,840 Speaker 5: They had said this. This investigation has been going on 493 00:23:26,880 --> 00:23:27,600 Speaker 5: for quite some time. 494 00:23:27,720 --> 00:23:31,760 Speaker 3: Yeah, so Gilbert got rested, arrested. It was more investigation. 495 00:23:32,440 --> 00:23:34,760 Speaker 3: He put it on hisself. He said, I'm not gonna 496 00:23:34,760 --> 00:23:37,000 Speaker 3: be there. Pull it up again, Josh, I don't want 497 00:23:37,040 --> 00:23:40,879 Speaker 3: to misquote the great Gilbert Arenas. He said, I'm not 498 00:23:40,920 --> 00:23:43,560 Speaker 3: going to be there when it starts going, when it's 499 00:23:43,560 --> 00:23:47,160 Speaker 3: starting to go, because I'm snitching. See what he said. 500 00:23:47,200 --> 00:23:49,560 Speaker 3: I'm pretty sure I ain't gonna be there when it's 501 00:23:49,600 --> 00:23:51,840 Speaker 3: starting to go. It's going. Rory we got we got 502 00:23:51,840 --> 00:23:56,280 Speaker 3: the text the messages today cause yeah, I'm snitching. You 503 00:23:56,280 --> 00:23:58,720 Speaker 3: can see that at the nine minute twenty second market 504 00:23:58,720 --> 00:24:01,240 Speaker 3: you want, I Am not call and Gilbert Arena to snitch. 505 00:24:01,400 --> 00:24:04,880 Speaker 3: Gilbert Arena said himself that he is snitching. Yes, there 506 00:24:04,880 --> 00:24:05,160 Speaker 3: you go. 507 00:24:05,200 --> 00:24:07,360 Speaker 5: Do you think that's why the FBI called this operation 508 00:24:07,520 --> 00:24:08,240 Speaker 5: nothing but Net? 509 00:24:09,440 --> 00:24:11,439 Speaker 3: Have you ever seen Gilbert shot? Have you havent seen good? 510 00:24:12,320 --> 00:24:15,679 Speaker 3: You ever seen Gillis shoot the ball? Pure shooter barely 511 00:24:15,760 --> 00:24:21,600 Speaker 3: touched the rim. Nothing but operation nothing but Net has commissed. 512 00:24:21,800 --> 00:24:25,600 Speaker 3: And you niggas is going to jail. H Adam Silver. 513 00:24:26,119 --> 00:24:28,000 Speaker 3: I'm pretty sure they're gonna knocking on your doors soon. 514 00:24:29,280 --> 00:24:32,240 Speaker 4: Of course, the one year that it might be the 515 00:24:32,320 --> 00:24:34,080 Speaker 4: next turn to finally go all the way, I think 516 00:24:34,119 --> 00:24:36,240 Speaker 4: we're gonna get a lockout, not by the players, by 517 00:24:36,240 --> 00:24:36,800 Speaker 4: the FBI. 518 00:24:38,200 --> 00:24:41,520 Speaker 5: In a month like this could get really, really really bad. 519 00:24:41,560 --> 00:24:44,440 Speaker 3: For Oh, it's gonna get so current NBA player, current 520 00:24:44,440 --> 00:24:47,560 Speaker 3: inform ANBA players and coaches, Chauncey Phillips, Ter Rose, and 521 00:24:47,640 --> 00:24:51,040 Speaker 3: Dami Jones have been arrested. This was an illegal gambling 522 00:24:51,080 --> 00:24:54,600 Speaker 3: and sports rigging operation that spanned years, so this ain't 523 00:24:54,680 --> 00:24:58,680 Speaker 3: something that they just started investigating, and you know they've 524 00:24:58,720 --> 00:24:59,439 Speaker 3: been looking at this. 525 00:24:59,640 --> 00:25:01,040 Speaker 5: Gilbert just connected the dots. 526 00:25:01,240 --> 00:25:03,040 Speaker 3: Well, he was the first tip that they grabbed that 527 00:25:03,119 --> 00:25:04,879 Speaker 3: we know of. It was the public figure that we 528 00:25:04,920 --> 00:25:09,600 Speaker 3: would know years across eleven states. In total, thirty individuals 529 00:25:09,600 --> 00:25:13,280 Speaker 3: have been arrested, thirteen mafia members. The case evolves like 530 00:25:13,400 --> 00:25:17,680 Speaker 3: Coster and Nostra. Charges included legal gambling, wire fraud, and extortion. 531 00:25:18,800 --> 00:25:23,920 Speaker 3: There are two separate indictments. The definition leverage that connections 532 00:25:23,920 --> 00:25:28,520 Speaker 3: to place prop bets based on confidential insider information, whining 533 00:25:28,640 --> 00:25:31,240 Speaker 3: tens of thousands of dollars per bet. 534 00:25:33,280 --> 00:25:36,520 Speaker 4: There was there was another article and it wasn't like 535 00:25:37,040 --> 00:25:41,160 Speaker 4: the greatest source, but one of the Damon Jones they 536 00:25:41,200 --> 00:25:45,320 Speaker 4: say in the paperwork was talking about Lebron's injury, Like 537 00:25:45,400 --> 00:25:47,960 Speaker 4: Lebron is not that Lebron did anything wrong, but apparently 538 00:25:47,960 --> 00:25:50,200 Speaker 4: he's in the paperwork that Damon Jones was just letting 539 00:25:50,720 --> 00:25:53,080 Speaker 4: letting the mob know about fucking Lebron's ankle. 540 00:25:54,200 --> 00:25:57,360 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's inside information points. It's all all this shit, 541 00:25:57,400 --> 00:25:59,640 Speaker 3: and then you go defbias. The NBA player Terry Rose 542 00:25:59,800 --> 00:26:01,600 Speaker 3: to the defendants that he was going to leave a 543 00:26:01,600 --> 00:26:04,520 Speaker 3: game early on March twenty third, twenty twenty three with 544 00:26:04,600 --> 00:26:07,480 Speaker 3: an injury. The defendants then placed more than two hundred 545 00:26:07,520 --> 00:26:11,440 Speaker 3: thousand of wages on the unders for his prop bets, 546 00:26:11,440 --> 00:26:14,800 Speaker 3: with Rose leaving the game after nine minutes. Those bets 547 00:26:14,840 --> 00:26:18,280 Speaker 3: paid out tens of thousands of thousand Profits and their defendants, 548 00:26:18,280 --> 00:26:22,680 Speaker 3: and Rose counted the money at his house. Dug, did 549 00:26:22,720 --> 00:26:26,320 Speaker 3: you just a fucking movie? Did you see where Scorsese? 550 00:26:26,600 --> 00:26:30,720 Speaker 3: Scorsese is fucking having a ball reading all of this. Yeah, 551 00:26:30,960 --> 00:26:33,280 Speaker 3: get the red camera, Scorsese, because this is a movie. 552 00:26:33,400 --> 00:26:37,679 Speaker 4: Charlotte, Hornets, Trailblazers, Lakers, and Rafters are all involved with it. 553 00:26:39,160 --> 00:26:40,120 Speaker 5: I mean, did you see that? 554 00:26:42,000 --> 00:26:44,159 Speaker 3: Listen, man, I'm not trying to start nothing, but I 555 00:26:44,160 --> 00:26:48,400 Speaker 3: will say the other day during the Lakers game, Lebron 556 00:26:48,520 --> 00:26:53,080 Speaker 3: looked very very I don't know. He had this look 557 00:26:53,119 --> 00:26:55,080 Speaker 3: on his face the whole time on the bench. He 558 00:26:55,119 --> 00:26:57,359 Speaker 3: wasn't even looking at the game. He was looking straight 559 00:26:57,400 --> 00:26:58,440 Speaker 3: into the crowd. 560 00:26:58,280 --> 00:26:59,080 Speaker 5: At the Bananos. 561 00:26:59,400 --> 00:27:02,800 Speaker 3: Yeah, like, I don't know, man, I think that you 562 00:27:02,840 --> 00:27:04,920 Speaker 3: know a lot of players know what's happening, what's going 563 00:27:04,960 --> 00:27:09,879 Speaker 3: on behind the scenes. We joking and it haven't last worried, 564 00:27:09,920 --> 00:27:11,840 Speaker 3: but this is gonna get I mean it already is, 565 00:27:11,920 --> 00:27:13,359 Speaker 3: but this is gonna get very short. 566 00:27:13,359 --> 00:27:15,840 Speaker 5: Oh yeah no, this is everyone's fucking. 567 00:27:15,720 --> 00:27:16,879 Speaker 3: Yeah, this is gonna get serious. 568 00:27:17,040 --> 00:27:19,400 Speaker 5: And I mean we was joking about the Gilbert thing. 569 00:27:19,440 --> 00:27:21,600 Speaker 4: But if you don't think Chauncey Billups and the rest 570 00:27:21,600 --> 00:27:24,800 Speaker 4: of them are gonna have the same mentality, like these 571 00:27:24,840 --> 00:27:26,919 Speaker 4: aren't like street guys that have a code of like 572 00:27:26,960 --> 00:27:28,400 Speaker 4: they're gonna tell everything. 573 00:27:28,560 --> 00:27:30,240 Speaker 5: This is gonna continue to get worse. 574 00:27:30,480 --> 00:27:33,360 Speaker 4: Yeah, more names gonna come out, but I mean, shit 575 00:27:33,520 --> 00:27:33,960 Speaker 4: down to. 576 00:27:35,480 --> 00:27:36,479 Speaker 5: Fuck the points shaven. 577 00:27:37,960 --> 00:27:40,920 Speaker 4: Chauncey Billips was involved with the mob with the shuffling 578 00:27:40,960 --> 00:27:43,760 Speaker 4: machines that red cards in the deck and then they 579 00:27:43,800 --> 00:27:47,160 Speaker 4: relay the information to an off site operator that they 580 00:27:47,200 --> 00:27:50,440 Speaker 4: called the quarterback, then sent the information to someone at 581 00:27:50,440 --> 00:27:53,359 Speaker 4: the table. This is why I never like fucked with 582 00:27:53,400 --> 00:27:56,960 Speaker 4: gambling spots like that, like the underground gambling spots in 583 00:27:57,000 --> 00:27:59,800 Speaker 4: the house, Like there's no way this is not rigged. 584 00:27:59,800 --> 00:28:03,720 Speaker 4: Some HM already at the casino. You're fucked, but there's 585 00:28:03,720 --> 00:28:06,840 Speaker 4: no regulation here. Think I trusted the mob. 586 00:28:07,720 --> 00:28:10,000 Speaker 3: This is interesting because this is all right, this is 587 00:28:10,000 --> 00:28:12,840 Speaker 3: the NBA we're talking about. I feel like it's easier 588 00:28:13,760 --> 00:28:17,199 Speaker 3: to kind of throw games in the other sports, like 589 00:28:17,240 --> 00:28:20,720 Speaker 3: say baseball, Like it's easy for me as a hitter 590 00:28:20,760 --> 00:28:22,480 Speaker 3: to go up there and just keep whipping that fucking 591 00:28:23,440 --> 00:28:27,159 Speaker 3: like bad pitches. Yeah, like on the basketball court, like 592 00:28:27,160 --> 00:28:28,840 Speaker 3: if I'm just turning that shit over, dribbling that ship 593 00:28:28,880 --> 00:28:31,119 Speaker 3: off my foot, like it's like, all right, bro, like 594 00:28:31,160 --> 00:28:32,760 Speaker 3: what the fuck is he doing? And they pulled up 595 00:28:32,800 --> 00:28:35,600 Speaker 3: roses highlights or what they think was one game that 596 00:28:35,640 --> 00:28:39,040 Speaker 3: he was throwing that was the most time, That was 597 00:28:39,040 --> 00:28:41,040 Speaker 3: the most That's what I'm saying in basketball. It's a 598 00:28:41,080 --> 00:28:44,600 Speaker 3: little more noticeable in baseball. If I'm a hitter and 599 00:28:44,680 --> 00:28:46,920 Speaker 3: I'm just like, Yo, I'm gonna go O for for tonight, 600 00:28:48,480 --> 00:28:50,360 Speaker 3: that's that's hard for y'all to pick up on. I 601 00:28:50,360 --> 00:28:52,360 Speaker 3: can just be up there just swinging that ship and 602 00:28:52,360 --> 00:28:53,840 Speaker 3: it's like, well, I'm just having an off night. I'm 603 00:28:53,880 --> 00:28:59,560 Speaker 3: just not hitting the ball. But look at rose he 604 00:28:59,600 --> 00:29:01,320 Speaker 3: throwing that ship. Look look at this. Watch this, watch 605 00:29:01,360 --> 00:29:02,320 Speaker 3: This one is crazy. 606 00:29:02,360 --> 00:29:04,200 Speaker 5: This is the one he starts running back before he 607 00:29:04,240 --> 00:29:04,960 Speaker 5: even threw the past. 608 00:29:06,920 --> 00:29:12,680 Speaker 3: Yo, crying, look at this. That pass was crazy. 609 00:29:12,720 --> 00:29:14,400 Speaker 4: But I feel like you could have at least purposely 610 00:29:14,440 --> 00:29:16,280 Speaker 4: missed a lot of shots and it wouldn't look that crazy. 611 00:29:16,560 --> 00:29:17,520 Speaker 5: This is just blatant. 612 00:29:18,800 --> 00:29:24,240 Speaker 3: Yeah, just take me through there, take me through there. 613 00:29:27,280 --> 00:29:29,720 Speaker 3: So much money? He like, man, fuck this basketball. 614 00:29:30,160 --> 00:29:32,080 Speaker 5: The hilarious part was to come off. 615 00:29:32,160 --> 00:29:35,120 Speaker 4: The announcers were like, rough night for Terry, and he 616 00:29:35,200 --> 00:29:37,000 Speaker 4: times like, this is the most obvious thing ever. 617 00:29:37,120 --> 00:29:40,480 Speaker 3: Yeah, this is this is gonna get bad. Obviously, the 618 00:29:40,560 --> 00:29:44,480 Speaker 3: FBI is still investigating. We just got to wait and 619 00:29:44,480 --> 00:29:46,680 Speaker 3: see who else. Man, I think more more players are 620 00:29:46,680 --> 00:29:49,239 Speaker 3: gonna be called into that room, and more players are 621 00:29:49,240 --> 00:29:54,120 Speaker 3: going to cooperate. Yeah, but this is gonna get bad again. 622 00:29:54,200 --> 00:29:57,800 Speaker 3: This doesn't surprise me once Gambler became legal. I mean, 623 00:29:57,880 --> 00:30:00,360 Speaker 3: one of the first things I thought was all right, 624 00:30:00,440 --> 00:30:03,280 Speaker 3: so now you know, it's just more opportunity for players 625 00:30:03,280 --> 00:30:06,880 Speaker 3: to throw games, be involved in it. You know, me 626 00:30:06,920 --> 00:30:08,880 Speaker 3: and my Fridget joke all the time, Like I got 627 00:30:08,920 --> 00:30:11,080 Speaker 3: a lot of friends that played in the NBA. They're like, Yo, 628 00:30:11,080 --> 00:30:12,440 Speaker 3: why don't you just call him and tell them not 629 00:30:12,480 --> 00:30:15,400 Speaker 3: to get six rebounds tonight. I'm like, yo, y'all joking, 630 00:30:15,520 --> 00:30:19,000 Speaker 3: But that's how easy and simple it really is. Yeah, 631 00:30:19,480 --> 00:30:21,400 Speaker 3: Like yo, bro listen, man, just god, just don't get 632 00:30:21,400 --> 00:30:24,480 Speaker 3: six rebounds tonight. You can do everything else. Don't grab 633 00:30:24,520 --> 00:30:26,680 Speaker 3: six boards. I'm gonna get this quick, ten twenty K. 634 00:30:27,320 --> 00:30:32,560 Speaker 3: We're good. This is the result of things like that. Yeah, 635 00:30:32,600 --> 00:30:34,960 Speaker 3: and you know, unfortunately now a lot of players are 636 00:30:34,960 --> 00:30:38,720 Speaker 3: gonna have to answer to this, a lot of you know, coaches, gms. 637 00:30:38,720 --> 00:30:40,160 Speaker 3: I'm sure it's gonna be it's gonna be a lot 638 00:30:40,160 --> 00:30:43,040 Speaker 3: of people like that we start seeing getting arrested and 639 00:30:43,560 --> 00:30:45,680 Speaker 3: being questioned behind this whole thing. I think this is 640 00:30:45,800 --> 00:30:47,280 Speaker 3: just just the start of it. 641 00:30:47,760 --> 00:30:50,440 Speaker 4: I mean, but even with that, like I assume how 642 00:30:50,480 --> 00:30:53,160 Speaker 4: they I'm just guessing how they even got involved with 643 00:30:53,200 --> 00:30:55,640 Speaker 4: the mob. Was they had some type of gambling that 644 00:30:56,200 --> 00:30:59,479 Speaker 4: with them, Because to your point, why wouldn't because gambling 645 00:30:59,520 --> 00:31:01,360 Speaker 4: is legal, now, why wouldn't you just go off the 646 00:31:01,360 --> 00:31:04,720 Speaker 4: parlays that you could easily control rather than fucking with 647 00:31:05,320 --> 00:31:06,240 Speaker 4: the mob to do this shit? 648 00:31:06,960 --> 00:31:09,880 Speaker 5: Yeah? Yeah, like that, that to me is the craziest part. 649 00:31:09,920 --> 00:31:12,800 Speaker 4: Like they must have been so deep in debt that 650 00:31:12,840 --> 00:31:15,160 Speaker 4: they were doing it this way, because we all assume 651 00:31:15,200 --> 00:31:16,880 Speaker 4: that there's plenty of players that do exactly what you 652 00:31:16,920 --> 00:31:20,040 Speaker 4: just said. But but it's through legal, even though that's illegal, 653 00:31:20,240 --> 00:31:22,000 Speaker 4: legal gambling off those parlays. 654 00:31:22,040 --> 00:31:25,080 Speaker 3: But this, like how you how. 655 00:31:24,960 --> 00:31:27,480 Speaker 4: You even get involved with this way if you're Chauncey Billups, 656 00:31:28,320 --> 00:31:29,400 Speaker 4: like as a coach. 657 00:31:29,120 --> 00:31:30,720 Speaker 3: You know, you take a guy out if you see 658 00:31:30,720 --> 00:31:31,400 Speaker 3: he's approaching. 659 00:31:31,960 --> 00:31:34,440 Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying to even get in in 660 00:31:34,520 --> 00:31:37,520 Speaker 4: bed with or owe people this type of stuff, like 661 00:31:37,560 --> 00:31:39,080 Speaker 4: throwing games because you owe. 662 00:31:39,000 --> 00:31:43,360 Speaker 3: Under from underground gambling spots. Man, Yeah, y'all gambling at 663 00:31:43,360 --> 00:31:46,360 Speaker 3: the house. You know I might have I might have 664 00:31:46,440 --> 00:31:49,560 Speaker 3: lost a million, Like shit, I need some of that back. 665 00:31:49,600 --> 00:31:52,600 Speaker 3: All right, Well tamorrow go out there. Don't let him. 666 00:31:52,720 --> 00:31:55,000 Speaker 3: Don't let your point guard score twenty tomorrow, pull him 667 00:31:55,000 --> 00:31:58,000 Speaker 3: out the game. It's that simple. It starts going trickling 668 00:31:58,040 --> 00:31:59,600 Speaker 3: into that, and now you in bed with them. Now 669 00:31:59,640 --> 00:32:02,080 Speaker 3: it's like, all right, now you're part of it. Yeah, 670 00:32:02,200 --> 00:32:05,400 Speaker 3: and here comes death beyond investigation. Years later you're thinking 671 00:32:05,400 --> 00:32:07,160 Speaker 3: it was just over, But it was just that one time. 672 00:32:08,040 --> 00:32:09,600 Speaker 3: Nah man, All of this is gonna be in coverage. 673 00:32:09,600 --> 00:32:10,880 Speaker 3: So that's what I'm saying. This is something that I 674 00:32:10,880 --> 00:32:14,520 Speaker 3: think is gonna a lot of players. I was, I'm 675 00:32:14,520 --> 00:32:16,680 Speaker 3: not gonna lie seeing Chauncey Billups involved with this kind 676 00:32:16,680 --> 00:32:18,880 Speaker 3: of like I was surprised to see his name. Yeah, 677 00:32:18,920 --> 00:32:22,960 Speaker 3: he was. He wasn't somebody I expected to be involved 678 00:32:23,120 --> 00:32:28,120 Speaker 3: at all. But here, here we are. Yeah, there's a. 679 00:32:28,120 --> 00:32:30,840 Speaker 4: Lot of NBA players stepping on their phones and erasing 680 00:32:30,880 --> 00:32:33,200 Speaker 4: their eye class stepping as fuck? 681 00:32:34,440 --> 00:32:38,959 Speaker 3: What else? Gilbert? You know what other versus Gilbert? I mean, 682 00:32:39,000 --> 00:32:40,720 Speaker 3: Gilbert might be in the booth right now, you know, 683 00:32:40,800 --> 00:32:43,560 Speaker 3: giving them a sixteen let them know what happened? Was 684 00:32:43,600 --> 00:32:45,800 Speaker 3: really going on? Listen again, this is Gilbert saying he 685 00:32:45,800 --> 00:32:48,000 Speaker 3: would do this. I'm just I'm not putting this on 686 00:32:48,040 --> 00:32:51,480 Speaker 3: Gilbert adas he said he was he would snitch, not me. 687 00:32:52,320 --> 00:32:54,719 Speaker 4: I mean, what was the Can we look up the 688 00:32:54,760 --> 00:32:56,040 Speaker 4: referee that was caught? 689 00:32:56,840 --> 00:32:59,320 Speaker 5: Tim? Tim Donnie if I remember correct? 690 00:32:59,320 --> 00:33:02,160 Speaker 3: What's his twitter? Didn't he let's see what he's talking 691 00:33:02,200 --> 00:33:02,680 Speaker 3: about today? 692 00:33:02,760 --> 00:33:05,880 Speaker 4: Didn't he say in an interview that he believed every 693 00:33:05,920 --> 00:33:09,680 Speaker 4: single ref was involved with some form of gambling or 694 00:33:09,880 --> 00:33:13,360 Speaker 4: point shaving decisions, every ref in the NBA, and that 695 00:33:13,480 --> 00:33:18,840 Speaker 4: we just skipped over that. Listen, man, every reef in 696 00:33:18,880 --> 00:33:21,040 Speaker 4: the NBA, which is I mean, that's kind of nuts, 697 00:33:21,080 --> 00:33:26,360 Speaker 4: but I'm sure it's a large majority. No, he was 698 00:33:26,360 --> 00:33:29,200 Speaker 4: straight up saying that they they're all involved, Like he's 699 00:33:29,200 --> 00:33:30,120 Speaker 4: not the only one here. 700 00:33:31,640 --> 00:33:34,760 Speaker 3: Yeah, he's not. He's definitely not the only one. You 701 00:33:34,840 --> 00:33:37,000 Speaker 3: can't be the only one in a in a in 702 00:33:37,040 --> 00:33:39,240 Speaker 3: a in a in a league that big, with that 703 00:33:39,320 --> 00:33:43,520 Speaker 3: many games on however many nights, you're not the only one. Bro. Yeah, 704 00:33:43,760 --> 00:33:48,040 Speaker 3: there's no way. Definitely not the only one. No, he 705 00:33:49,440 --> 00:33:51,400 Speaker 3: Steve Javi. Look, they got a picture of Steve Javi, 706 00:33:54,520 --> 00:33:56,840 Speaker 3: but that's not But listen, man, we go back to 707 00:33:57,360 --> 00:33:59,760 Speaker 3: You got players like Chris Paul who say, every time 708 00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:05,200 Speaker 3: Steve Javi ref one of his games, Scott Foster, I'm sorry, 709 00:34:05,200 --> 00:34:07,080 Speaker 3: Scott Foster. I didn't put that on Steve Javis. 710 00:34:07,120 --> 00:34:09,160 Speaker 5: Scott Foster, Chris Paul said that. 711 00:34:09,239 --> 00:34:11,240 Speaker 3: He said, Yo, every time he rests one of my games, 712 00:34:12,840 --> 00:34:14,840 Speaker 3: it's like I get thrown out. I get this, I 713 00:34:14,880 --> 00:34:15,160 Speaker 3: get that. 714 00:34:15,360 --> 00:34:16,200 Speaker 5: Yeah, so you gotta. 715 00:34:16,560 --> 00:34:20,040 Speaker 3: It sounds crazy, but even things like that affect a bet. 716 00:34:21,160 --> 00:34:23,880 Speaker 3: A player getting ejected, picking up two quick technical fouls, 717 00:34:24,560 --> 00:34:27,040 Speaker 3: quicking up picking up quick personal files, got to sit 718 00:34:27,080 --> 00:34:29,960 Speaker 3: out the whole first half, Like we sit here and 719 00:34:30,040 --> 00:34:32,960 Speaker 3: we just watched games and thinking like, yo, the ref 720 00:34:33,040 --> 00:34:35,520 Speaker 3: just made a bad call. Okay, but why did he 721 00:34:35,600 --> 00:34:39,200 Speaker 3: make that bad call? That could be a loaded call, 722 00:34:39,239 --> 00:34:41,520 Speaker 3: It could be that could be a million dollar bad 723 00:34:41,560 --> 00:34:43,839 Speaker 3: call he just made. Yeah, you know what I'm saying. 724 00:34:43,880 --> 00:34:46,279 Speaker 3: We don't think about it like that, but essentially that's 725 00:34:46,320 --> 00:34:48,520 Speaker 3: exactly what all of this is gonna end up showing us, 726 00:34:48,560 --> 00:34:51,400 Speaker 3: Like little things like that that kind of dictate the 727 00:34:51,440 --> 00:34:55,279 Speaker 3: game and affect the game in whatever way. While it 728 00:34:55,280 --> 00:34:58,040 Speaker 3: looks little to us, a turnover doesn't look that bad 729 00:34:58,080 --> 00:35:00,560 Speaker 3: to us in the third quarter. Yeah, but at the 730 00:35:00,640 --> 00:35:03,000 Speaker 3: end of the night, somebody had a bet placed on 731 00:35:03,080 --> 00:35:05,680 Speaker 3: that in the over and under and the score and 732 00:35:05,680 --> 00:35:08,080 Speaker 3: the money line and things like. All of those little 733 00:35:08,080 --> 00:35:10,680 Speaker 3: things add up to a bigger picture, and this is 734 00:35:10,719 --> 00:35:16,359 Speaker 3: part of the bigger picture. Maul. 735 00:35:16,440 --> 00:35:18,839 Speaker 4: I know you're thinking about upgrading to an all new 736 00:35:19,000 --> 00:35:22,200 Speaker 4: iPhone seventeen Pro, designed to be the best and most 737 00:35:22,280 --> 00:35:23,279 Speaker 4: powerful iPhone ever. 738 00:35:23,360 --> 00:35:24,160 Speaker 3: Yeah, my thoughts again. 739 00:35:24,280 --> 00:35:27,400 Speaker 4: Yeah, listen, man Weeks, you've been thinking about this whatever. 740 00:35:27,440 --> 00:35:29,399 Speaker 4: You're also thinking about the traffic on the way there. 741 00:35:29,560 --> 00:35:31,719 Speaker 3: I think about that all the time, ro Yes, you. 742 00:35:31,719 --> 00:35:34,120 Speaker 5: In traffic has always been a matter of fact, that's 743 00:35:34,160 --> 00:35:35,000 Speaker 5: one of your best lives. 744 00:35:35,040 --> 00:35:35,600 Speaker 3: Absolutely. 745 00:35:36,040 --> 00:35:36,839 Speaker 5: Well, good news, mal. 746 00:35:36,880 --> 00:35:39,160 Speaker 4: When you order a new phone online with Boost Mobile, 747 00:35:39,160 --> 00:35:42,200 Speaker 4: to send an expert right to our office. 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And at what point if you 758 00:36:15,680 --> 00:36:18,520 Speaker 4: are the cameraman at an NFL game, man. 759 00:36:19,000 --> 00:36:21,440 Speaker 5: Like when the producers sees all the screens and was 760 00:36:21,480 --> 00:36:25,600 Speaker 5: just like one more time, man, listen was it six times? 761 00:36:26,360 --> 00:36:29,480 Speaker 3: Listen? We're joking and talking in the second quarter. Listen, 762 00:36:29,520 --> 00:36:30,680 Speaker 3: we joking and talking shit. 763 00:36:30,760 --> 00:36:31,399 Speaker 5: But that's real. 764 00:36:32,040 --> 00:36:35,160 Speaker 4: That's real because they come up with the craziest fucking 765 00:36:35,200 --> 00:36:35,960 Speaker 4: things on those sites. 766 00:36:36,080 --> 00:36:36,560 Speaker 3: That's real. 767 00:36:36,800 --> 00:36:38,000 Speaker 5: As far as that goes. 768 00:36:38,600 --> 00:36:40,799 Speaker 3: Something like that, I'm not listening. That doesn't affect the 769 00:36:40,840 --> 00:36:43,279 Speaker 3: game on the field. So something like that is like, 770 00:36:43,600 --> 00:36:46,560 Speaker 3: you know, that's just like the cameraman, you know, trying 771 00:36:46,560 --> 00:36:50,279 Speaker 3: to just make a little whatever on field. Anything that 772 00:36:50,520 --> 00:36:53,920 Speaker 3: interrupts the game or disturbs the game, like the integrity 773 00:36:54,000 --> 00:36:56,560 Speaker 3: of the game. Back to your question of should you 774 00:36:56,640 --> 00:36:58,239 Speaker 3: be kicked out of the Hall of Fame if you're in, 775 00:36:59,480 --> 00:37:01,960 Speaker 3: I think so. I think if you've done anything to 776 00:37:02,040 --> 00:37:05,680 Speaker 3: jeopardize the integrity of the sport, to jeopardize the outcome 777 00:37:05,719 --> 00:37:08,600 Speaker 3: of any game, whether you were involved in it or not, 778 00:37:08,920 --> 00:37:11,880 Speaker 3: just the sport, I think that that is something to 779 00:37:11,880 --> 00:37:14,399 Speaker 3: look at and be like, you might that might get 780 00:37:14,440 --> 00:37:15,440 Speaker 3: you kicked out of the Hall of Fame. 781 00:37:15,640 --> 00:37:18,839 Speaker 4: I agree with you, But I do feel like Pete 782 00:37:18,880 --> 00:37:20,279 Speaker 4: Road should be in the Hall of Fame because he 783 00:37:20,400 --> 00:37:24,320 Speaker 4: bet on himself. Like he wasn't betting against the Reds 784 00:37:24,680 --> 00:37:27,520 Speaker 4: where he could really jeopardize. He was confidence team was 785 00:37:27,560 --> 00:37:30,839 Speaker 4: like putting this down. So to me, that's fine. If 786 00:37:30,840 --> 00:37:34,280 Speaker 4: you want to bet on yourself, I think that should 787 00:37:34,280 --> 00:37:35,080 Speaker 4: be cool. 788 00:37:35,120 --> 00:37:36,840 Speaker 5: But against yourself, yeah. 789 00:37:36,960 --> 00:37:41,200 Speaker 3: Bet on yourself to perform or underperform. 790 00:37:41,480 --> 00:37:44,520 Speaker 4: On the Reds to win, which to me is is cool. 791 00:37:44,520 --> 00:37:46,439 Speaker 4: I mean, I get it. You can't have a gray 792 00:37:46,480 --> 00:37:48,680 Speaker 4: area there. If you gamble, you gamble, you out. 793 00:37:48,719 --> 00:37:49,160 Speaker 3: I get that. 794 00:37:49,320 --> 00:37:53,640 Speaker 4: But with gambling being legal now and those rules being 795 00:37:53,760 --> 00:37:57,840 Speaker 4: a little gray, I think only if you bet to 796 00:37:57,920 --> 00:38:00,440 Speaker 4: affect the game negatively, Like if you right, if you're 797 00:38:00,440 --> 00:38:02,160 Speaker 4: throwing a game, yeah, get the fuck out of the 798 00:38:02,160 --> 00:38:06,040 Speaker 4: whole fame, But where do you draw the line with 799 00:38:06,080 --> 00:38:07,719 Speaker 4: the steroid thing, because I think Barry Bond should be 800 00:38:07,760 --> 00:38:11,719 Speaker 4: in there. M h to me, that's affecting the game. 801 00:38:12,200 --> 00:38:15,440 Speaker 4: Yeah no, but it's still you still should be in 802 00:38:15,440 --> 00:38:16,840 Speaker 4: the whole thing. I don't think there's just be an 803 00:38:16,840 --> 00:38:17,319 Speaker 4: asterisk there. 804 00:38:19,480 --> 00:38:23,480 Speaker 3: But it has to be an asterisk because the playing 805 00:38:23,480 --> 00:38:26,560 Speaker 3: field is not. Even if I'm on steroids and my 806 00:38:26,840 --> 00:38:31,600 Speaker 3: opponents aren't, I already have an advantage. So that's where 807 00:38:31,600 --> 00:38:33,719 Speaker 3: it kind of gets tricky because it's like, all right, 808 00:38:33,719 --> 00:38:38,080 Speaker 3: if we can all take steroids, thin, cool, because it 809 00:38:38,520 --> 00:38:41,000 Speaker 3: evens the field. But now, when you get in the field, 810 00:38:41,080 --> 00:38:43,960 Speaker 3: in the in the territory of okay that the playing 811 00:38:43,960 --> 00:38:47,080 Speaker 3: field is I have an advantage over all of my opponents. 812 00:38:48,080 --> 00:38:48,720 Speaker 3: That's cheating. 813 00:38:49,320 --> 00:38:51,080 Speaker 5: Yeah, but I think everyone's taking steroids at that time. 814 00:38:51,520 --> 00:38:53,719 Speaker 3: And I'm not gonna say everybody, but I do think 815 00:38:53,760 --> 00:38:54,839 Speaker 3: a lot of people will. Yeah. 816 00:38:54,880 --> 00:38:57,120 Speaker 4: And I only bring up that point to this gambling 817 00:38:57,120 --> 00:39:00,080 Speaker 4: ship because if we end up finding out that for 818 00:39:00,120 --> 00:39:01,960 Speaker 4: the past twenty years, every player has been involved and 819 00:39:01,960 --> 00:39:03,520 Speaker 4: I don't think anyone should be kicked out the whole fame. 820 00:39:04,800 --> 00:39:07,480 Speaker 5: Everyone's doing it. That was the game at that time. 821 00:39:08,280 --> 00:39:11,040 Speaker 3: I know one thing. They better not put Michael, Jeffrey 822 00:39:11,080 --> 00:39:13,920 Speaker 3: Jordan and none of them fucking investigations. I don't want 823 00:39:13,920 --> 00:39:16,319 Speaker 3: to hear ship about Mike. Don't tell me. 824 00:39:16,320 --> 00:39:18,880 Speaker 5: Mike was Mike doesn't. Everyone knows Mike doesn't gamble. 825 00:39:19,120 --> 00:39:22,799 Speaker 3: Huh. He didn't serve what he served his time. 826 00:39:26,719 --> 00:39:28,360 Speaker 5: He did six months with the White Side. 827 00:39:28,600 --> 00:39:31,120 Speaker 3: Mike was not gambling on no fucking NBA game. Who 828 00:39:31,120 --> 00:39:33,640 Speaker 3: He's gambling to win? Because that's all he did this thing. 829 00:39:33,960 --> 00:39:36,879 Speaker 3: Everyone knows that so he did was win. Everyone knows 830 00:39:36,880 --> 00:39:40,000 Speaker 3: that Mike is a degenerate gambler. But Mike is also 831 00:39:40,080 --> 00:39:42,919 Speaker 3: the biggest competitor of all time. Mike would never ever 832 00:39:43,000 --> 00:39:44,080 Speaker 3: bet against himself. 833 00:39:44,200 --> 00:39:46,320 Speaker 4: No, I think Mike bet. I think Mike bet on 834 00:39:46,400 --> 00:39:48,520 Speaker 4: himself for sure. There's no way he did not put 835 00:39:48,520 --> 00:39:50,600 Speaker 4: money down on his own games, for sure. 836 00:39:51,400 --> 00:39:53,080 Speaker 3: I don't think so. Man. I think he's such a 837 00:39:53,120 --> 00:39:55,360 Speaker 3: big fit. That would have came out. We would have 838 00:39:55,400 --> 00:39:56,359 Speaker 3: been found out about that. 839 00:39:56,920 --> 00:40:00,040 Speaker 5: Yeah, that that Why do you think that he No? 840 00:40:00,120 --> 00:40:02,640 Speaker 3: No, no, that was his number. No, no, no, that was That 841 00:40:02,760 --> 00:40:05,480 Speaker 3: was the conspiracy I'm talking about, able to have come 842 00:40:05,520 --> 00:40:08,280 Speaker 3: out as a fact that he bet on bulls games 843 00:40:08,480 --> 00:40:11,080 Speaker 3: already by now, he's been retired for almost thirty years.