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Speaker 2: Jason Martin. We are broadcasting live here at eleven pm

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Speaker 2: Eastern Baltimore does take care of business against the Pittsburgh Steelers.

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Speaker 2: That game is officially final. It just went final twenty

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Speaker 2: and fourteen in Baltimore. Jmart Before we get started, just

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Speaker 2: really quickly, you know, I just want to say, and

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Speaker 2: I don't know if you have anything to add, but

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Speaker 2: trying week for a lot of people across the car.

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Speaker 2: There's all sorts of crazy weather everywhere, snowsleet, ice, but

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Speaker 2: also obviously the wildfires here in Los Angeles. If you're

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Speaker 2: a dedicated Fox Sports Radio listener, we actually had to

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Speaker 2: close the studios for just a little bit last night

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Speaker 2: out of an abundance of cautions.

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Speaker 3: So listen.

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Speaker 2: There's a lot of fun stuff and we were here

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Speaker 2: to entertain, and we're here to you know, really take

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Speaker 2: away from the serious stuff in life. Jmart But I

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Speaker 2: thought I would be I really felt it would be

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Speaker 2: remiss if we didn't mention off the top, we are

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Speaker 2: thinking about the people across the Los Angeles and really

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Speaker 2: across the country, because again, there was all sorts of

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Speaker 2: crazy weather. But it's been a wild week. I know

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Speaker 2: people here at Fox Sports Radio have been personally impacted.

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Speaker 2: So I just wanted to take a moment to just

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Speaker 2: to just say that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I think that's exactly right. Certainly the

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Speaker 1: images and videos that we have watched on this side

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Speaker 1: out there. Of course I reached out to you so

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Speaker 1: as you were close to it, and a lot of

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Speaker 1: the people out there that that I've worked with through

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Speaker 1: the years are dealing with it on a more you know,

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Speaker 1: personal level, as well as a lot of the listeners

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Speaker 1: and things like that. Here there's snow on the ground,

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Speaker 1: different story here, but just kind of heartbreaking to view

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Speaker 1: what we viewed and to hear some of these accounts

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Speaker 1: and all this, and I did hear what JJ Reddick

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Speaker 1: may have said. I don't know if it's today or yesterday,

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Speaker 1: you know, tough week for him. Hate to hear that.

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Speaker 1: And I understand his point about wanting to be an

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Speaker 1: escape for people right now, even though you can't fully

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Speaker 1: escape this. Anything that can get your mind off it

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Speaker 1: for a couple of minutes, I'm sure as welcome at

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Speaker 1: this stage. And if you're having a rough week, then

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Speaker 1: you know our prayers and thoughts are certainly with you

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Speaker 1: do our job for you as entertainingly as we can

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, listen, I've kind of tongue in cheek

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Speaker 2: joked about my pack and forth with JJ Reddick through

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Speaker 2: as a commentator. As an analyst, I thought he was

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Speaker 3: The Lakers were.

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Speaker 2: Obviously on the road when all this happened, and so

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Speaker 2: all sorts of comments from JJ Reddick throughout the week,

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Speaker 2: And again, I thought JJ Reddick's comments were very you know,

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Speaker 2: Let's just go to the one that just went final,

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Speaker 2: Steelers final score twenty eight to fourteen in Baltimore, just

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Speaker 2: And you know, I'll say this is that listen, Baltimore

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Speaker 2: no matter what happens. You know, this game was never

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Speaker 2: this feels like about as good as you could have asked.

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Speaker 2: For almost five hundred yards of total offense, the X

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Speaker 2: feels like the difference with this team Baltimore wins, but

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Speaker 3: The fact that when.

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Speaker 1: Yes, and everything you just said is right. I think

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Speaker 1: the biggest thing that Derrick Henry does is takes a

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Speaker 1: Derrick Henry maybe having the best overall season of his career,

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Speaker 1: of course Rabel is the gem of this coaching cycle.

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Speaker 2: Oh, Jason Martin broke that story a few weeks ago.

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Speaker 2: You were like, he's going to England. No you or

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Speaker 2: you were all over, But it's not officially that was

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Speaker 1: And he is still a guy no one in the

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Speaker 2: And I think the other factor two is you know, listen,

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Speaker 2: But what you mentioned there, you get ahead, you have

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Speaker 2: feels a little bit premature, and if you have other

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Speaker 2: And also they did play Kansas City. But really specifically

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Speaker 3: I know it's two rounds ahead.

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Speaker 2: It's you know, we don't want to start looking too

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Speaker 2: But it's like, I think that's the interesting part as well.

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Speaker 2: lot of question marks. They lost to Case in week one.

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Speaker 1: That's true. The only thing you will you will need

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Speaker 1: No they're not. I mean, we all saw this game

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Speaker 2: And it certainly sets up for you know, a pseudo

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Speaker 2: We are broadcasting live from the tyreck dot com studios.

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Speaker 2: We will get to the second game, well second game

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Speaker 5: Hello, gentlemen, and we'll get to the home playoff wins

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Speaker 5: for Baltimore and Houston. Thank you for mentioning the things

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Speaker 2: I'll try to be brief. My wife and I did

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Speaker 2: and most people seem to have the clothes on their

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Speaker 2: back and not much else.

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Speaker 3: It was very, very tough to see with my own eyes.

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Speaker 5: I heard one story on the news today of somebody

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Speaker 5: that her house burned down, so she was going to

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Speaker 5: go stay at her boyfriend's house, and her boyfriend's house

440
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Speaker 5: had burned down. Yeah, it was just an astounding amount

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Speaker 5: of stories and disager.

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Speaker 3: You've been in LA longer, this is pretty unprecedented.

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Speaker 5: Right for Los Angeles proper. Yeah, I don't remember anything

444
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Speaker 5: like this.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, my wife's an LA girl. She's been here since

446
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Speaker 2: she was four, so I don't want to age her,

447
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Speaker 2: but you know, let's just say late eighties. Will say

448
00:21:58,359 --> 00:22:00,840
Speaker 2: she got to Los Angeles and she said she's never

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Speaker 2: seen anything like this.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, let me just go one more paragraph that during

451
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Speaker 5: last night's show here in LA, we were told off

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Speaker 5: the air we might finish the show or we might

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Speaker 5: have to leave, And as it turned out, we finished

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Speaker 5: the show at eleven pm Pacific, and then, amazingly, this

455
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Speaker 5: a network that's always live, twenty four to seven had

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Speaker 5: recorded programming until this morning. Now we've been back live

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Speaker 5: from LA all day. But our area of Los Angeles

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Speaker 5: is north of Ucla, very near the four or five freeway.

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Speaker 5: It's under an evacuation warning. But on the other side

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Speaker 5: of the freeway, the west side, it's a mandatory evacuation.

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Speaker 6: And those nearby.

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Speaker 5: Hills had been burning all day and night south of

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Speaker 5: the town of Andence, you know John Wooden's old neighborhood.

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Speaker 5: The various fires in LA have been going on since Tuesday.

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Speaker 5: Even if you weren't in a direct fire area here

466
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Speaker 5: in the San Fernando Valle, you've probably awakened to find

467
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Speaker 5: your car covered with some ash. And then you know,

468
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Speaker 5: when we were cleaning up outside for hours one day

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Speaker 5: this week, a mask was absolutely necessary. The air was

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Speaker 5: quite bad then it's been for these people in those

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Speaker 5: specific neighborhoods. I just can't imagine what they've been going through.

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Speaker 5: And it's not over, So let's get to the NFL playoffs.

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Speaker 5: The fun and games department is one of the great

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Speaker 5: aspects of sports, quite honestly, and needed this week as well.

475
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Speaker 5: Baltimore and Houston each won playoff games at home to

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Speaker 5: open wild card weekend. How about this from Derrick Henry.

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Speaker 5: First half against the Steelers tonight, thirteen carries one hundred yards,

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Speaker 5: one touchdown. Second half thirteen carries eighty six yards, one touchdown,

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Speaker 5: so one eighty six total on the ground. Ravens won

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Speaker 5: their fifth straight game beat Pittsburgh twenty eight to fourteen.

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Speaker 5: The Pittsburgh Steelers allowed the most yards rushing in any

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Speaker 5: playoff game they've ever had, breaking Lamart's set by the

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Speaker 5: Oakland Raiders against them over fifty years ago because Lamar

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Speaker 5: Jackson had over eighty yards rushing tonight as well, twenty

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Speaker 5: eight to fourteen the final earlier, Houston beat the Chargers

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Speaker 5: thirty two to twelve. Chargers actually led six to nothing

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Speaker 5: late first half. Joe Mixon one hundred six yards rushing.

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Speaker 5: The Falcons fired defense. It's a coordinator, Jimmy Lake. After

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Speaker 5: one season, there's one late game in the NBA, and

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Speaker 5: the Miami heat up seventy to sixty four at Portland

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Speaker 5: mid third quarter. Houston and Atlanta postponed by the winter storm.

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Speaker 5: Lakers home game postpone, Clippers home game postponed due to

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Speaker 5: the fires in LA.

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Speaker 3: Back to you, Thank you very much, Steve Sager.

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Speaker 2: This is Fox Sports Radio, Fox Sports Saturday aeron towards

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Speaker 2: Jason Martin, broadcasting live from the tyreck dot Com studios. Again,

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Speaker 2: speak for everybody here at Fox Sports Radio. Hope everybody

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Speaker 2: in the Los Angeles area and beyond is doing okay.

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Speaker 2: And of course I know that there was a lot

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Speaker 2: of other weather situations across the country as well.

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Speaker 3: We'll stick with football, and we'll stick with.

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Speaker 1: A game.

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Speaker 2: I don't really know how to describe JR. Jmart It's

504
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Speaker 2: almost like, you know, like this week in college football,

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Speaker 2: I didn't really hear anybody making the argument that Texas

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Speaker 2: was going to beat Ohio State. And then, of course

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Speaker 2: it's the middle of the third quarter, beginning of the

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Speaker 2: fourth quarteror whatever, it's fourteen fourteen, you think Texas could win.

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Speaker 2: I bring it up because we'll get to college football

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Speaker 2: in a minute. I didn't really hear anybody making the

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Speaker 2: argument that the Texans were just gonna lay the smack

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Speaker 2: down on the Chargers, and maybe you heard something that

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Speaker 2: I didn't.

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Speaker 3: I haven't.

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Speaker 2: I didn't hear anybody say that, but it was indeed

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Speaker 2: a SmackDown. Thirty two to twelve was the final score.

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Speaker 2: But the big story Justin Herbert fourteen of thirty two passing,

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Speaker 2: one touchdown, four interceptions. Now, in Justin Herbert's defense a

519
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Speaker 2: little bit, a couple of the passes were balls that

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Speaker 2: hit his receivers in the hands that they didn't catch

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Speaker 2: and then we're deflected. It does not take away from

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Speaker 2: the fact that fourteen of thirty two will never get

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Speaker 2: it done for any quarterback at any level. And there's

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Speaker 2: a lot of conversations right now, Jay Martin about was

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Speaker 2: this guy elevated too quickly, too soon?

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Speaker 1: This that?

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Speaker 3: The other thing the floor is yours. J mart give

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Speaker 3: me your hottest Justin Herbert take playoffs.

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Speaker 1: Fifty one percent completion, two touchdowns, four picks, sixty two

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Speaker 1: rating zero and two. That is the Justin Herberts stat line.

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Speaker 1: Nobody loses to the AFC South in the playoffs quite

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Speaker 1: like Justin Herbert. We were on air for one of them.

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Speaker 1: That's exactly right. And we were calling for Brandon Staley's

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Speaker 1: neck after that game. When it came to his future employment,

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Speaker 1: he came back for another year. We're like, oh, we've

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Speaker 1: handcuffed Justin Herbert. We put something behind his back, put

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Speaker 1: his hands behind his back, and asked him to do

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Speaker 1: all this. He didn't have that many weapons. Da da

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Speaker 1: da da. And then here comes Jim Harbaugh and the

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Speaker 1: culture changes a little bit. Defense is playing a lot

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Speaker 1: more inspired football throughout the season. But we can't help

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Speaker 1: but notice outside of lab McConkey, there's not a whole

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Speaker 1: lot there. Keenan Allen is not there anymore, Williams is

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Speaker 1: not there anymore. A lot of what you had come

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Speaker 1: to expect is not there. And Greg Roman is the

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Speaker 1: offensive coordinator. But Justin Herbert is now zero to two

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Speaker 1: in the playoffs and has had two ugly performances. This

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Speaker 1: was just a bad day for him. Yes, will Disley

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Speaker 1: just handed the ball basically twice to the Houston Texans defense.

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Speaker 1: And the Texans are a very very good defense and

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00:27:08,240 --> 00:27:14,520
Speaker 1: they took advantage of this. But also Herbert didn't play well. Herbert,

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Speaker 1: at least one of those picks. He was just flat

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Speaker 1: out high trying to throw Tom macaukey. It went and

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Speaker 1: it would have been an easy completion if it had

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Speaker 1: just been on target, and it wasn't. Herbert was being

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Speaker 1: pressured the whole game because they knew that they could

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Speaker 1: get to him, and they did. The offensive line didn't

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Speaker 1: have a good day for either one of these two teams.

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Speaker 1: But I think this is where we come with Justin Herbert.

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00:27:37,720 --> 00:27:43,720
Speaker 1: We have been told relentlessly by national media, especially by

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Speaker 1: analytics people, by football lifers, about how special, how one

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Speaker 1: of a kind, how outrageously good Justin Herbert is. Just wait,

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00:27:55,960 --> 00:27:59,920
Speaker 1: just wait, I promise you he's going to be eventually.

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Speaker 1: You are only if all you are is potential, then

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Speaker 1: you haven't done anything. The potential eventually has to become realized.

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Speaker 1: It has to actualize itself. And the one thing that

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00:28:14,480 --> 00:28:16,440
Speaker 1: we do know about Justin Herbert this, if we want

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Speaker 1: to talk about his weapons and all these other kinds

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00:28:18,480 --> 00:28:21,359
Speaker 1: of things, it is he is certainly not someone that

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Speaker 1: is going to go win without weapons. He is certainly

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00:28:24,600 --> 00:28:26,399
Speaker 1: not someone that's going to be able to get the

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00:28:26,520 --> 00:28:28,600
Speaker 1: job done in the postseason, at least to this point,

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Speaker 1: because that narrative is going to stick until it doesn't.

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Speaker 1: And you can start comparing him to all sorts of quarterbacks,

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00:28:34,320 --> 00:28:37,280
Speaker 1: but we need to stop with the He's top five

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Speaker 1: in the league. He's right there with Burrow and Lamar

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00:28:39,520 --> 00:28:42,320
Speaker 1: Jackson and Josh Allen and Pact. We can't do this anymore.

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00:28:42,640 --> 00:28:44,880
Speaker 1: But we just can't. He's going to have to show

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Speaker 1: more than this. There is no quarterback that we would

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Speaker 1: give this kind of a pass to. At this point,

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Speaker 1: you want to call him Trevor Lawrence, like I think

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Speaker 1: that's we're getting there. But here's my comparison. He's still young,

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Speaker 1: good head on his shoulders, likable young man, no question

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Speaker 1: about it, looks like a leader, all of those things.

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00:29:07,000 --> 00:29:09,960
Speaker 1: But he's stuck in a bad situation and so far

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00:29:10,080 --> 00:29:13,040
Speaker 1: he's come up kind of small. And so you have

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00:29:13,160 --> 00:29:17,720
Speaker 1: this this kind of difference. You've got this dichotomy between

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00:29:17,760 --> 00:29:21,000
Speaker 1: people that are just complete evangelists for him and people

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00:29:21,040 --> 00:29:23,280
Speaker 1: that are completely out on him. And here's what he

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Speaker 1: reminds me of at this stage. He reminds me of

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Speaker 1: Matthew Stafford with the Detroit Lions. A guy that has

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00:29:30,160 --> 00:29:33,400
Speaker 1: huge arm talent. Oh, he makes throws almost nobody else

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Speaker 1: in this league can make Oh my goodness, Matthew Stafford.

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00:29:36,160 --> 00:29:38,880
Speaker 1: He is top five in the league, never winning playoff games,

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00:29:38,920 --> 00:29:41,800
Speaker 1: never even getting to play in playoff games. Coach after

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Speaker 1: coach after coach coming through, offensive coordinator after offensive coordinator

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00:29:46,000 --> 00:29:49,120
Speaker 1: coming in. But they never had any weapons for him

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Speaker 1: outside of Calvin Johnson. You know, d no, no, no

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00:29:51,600 --> 00:29:55,400
Speaker 1: da down the line. Now here's Justin Herbert, another big guy,

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00:29:55,880 --> 00:29:58,840
Speaker 1: another guy with a huge arm, throws a really pretty ball.

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00:29:59,240 --> 00:30:02,920
Speaker 1: All of that, no postseason success. Now the question is,

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Speaker 1: does Justin Herbert have an La Rams version of himself

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Speaker 1: in him later in his career? Is he gonna play

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Speaker 1: with the Chargers the whole time and win? I have

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Speaker 1: no idea, but I think at this point it is

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Speaker 1: fair to look at him and say we better be

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00:30:16,160 --> 00:30:19,480
Speaker 1: critical of him because we give no one else passes

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Speaker 1: at this stage when these kinds of things continue to happen.

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Speaker 1: He had a bad day against a team in the

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Speaker 1: Texans that I just feel like most people thought we

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Speaker 1: was gonna walk in and be done. I mean, they

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Speaker 1: had no Stefan Diggs, they had no Tank Dell. Their

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Speaker 1: offensive line is an embarrassment to eyesight in general. Just horrible,

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Speaker 1: and they basically walked all over the Chargers because their

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Speaker 1: defense just own Justin Herbert all night long. And I

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Speaker 1: think it's fair at this point to look at Justin

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Speaker 1: Herbert and say, we better be critical of him, and

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Speaker 1: we need to take him off this pedestal and allow

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Speaker 1: him to play himself there as posed to just Oh

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Speaker 1: what a great ball he throws and did you see

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Speaker 1: this play? We can't get caught in that mix anymore.

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Speaker 2: Well, I'll tell you what, Jmart, you covered a lot

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Speaker 2: of ground there. Why don't we come back and continue

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00:31:11,280 --> 00:31:15,640
Speaker 2: this Justin Herbert conversation? Cuz as great as Baltimore Pittsburgh was,

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00:31:15,760 --> 00:31:18,520
Speaker 2: and as great as Houston looked at times, Justin Herbert

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00:31:18,600 --> 00:31:22,560
Speaker 2: was certainly the biggest story of Saturday's two playoff games. Again,

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00:31:22,680 --> 00:31:25,760
Speaker 2: Chargers lose thirty two to twelve. By the way, the

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Speaker 2: one touchdown was kind of flukey on top of it.

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Speaker 2: You know, Lad mccackey basically breaks one tackle, takes it

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Speaker 2: like ninety yards.

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Speaker 3: So we got to come back.

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Speaker 2: There's more on the Justin Herbert tree to to kind

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Speaker 2: of tear it down, not tear it down, but you know,

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Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying.

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00:31:38,720 --> 00:31:40,720
Speaker 3: Like there's more, there's more here that.

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Speaker 2: We got to get to come back, continue the conversation

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Speaker 2: on Justin Herbert because there is a lot to dive

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Speaker 2: into twelve of thirty two, one touchdown, four interceptions.

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Speaker 3: We're going to continue the conversation next Fox Sports.

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Speaker 1: Are you don't listening to Fox Sports Radio Radio?

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Speaker 2: Welcome back everybody, Fox Sports Radio. All right, before the break, Jmart,

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00:32:04,200 --> 00:32:10,160
Speaker 2: we were talking about we were talking about Justin Herbert

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Speaker 2: not only a day to forget, but but kind of

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Speaker 2: a continuation of a frustrating trend if you're a Chargers fan.

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Speaker 3: Has that been great in the playoffs?

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Speaker 2: Obviously had a solid regular season, but even let me

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Speaker 2: even ask you this, Jamar before we get back to

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Speaker 2: the postseason and today, Like how would you grade Justin

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Speaker 2: Herbert in the regular season? Like every time I watch

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Speaker 2: the Chargers he felt to me like the most naturally

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Speaker 2: gifted system quarterback that I've ever seen. From the perspective

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Speaker 2: of I'm just trying to think of, like who are

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Speaker 2: the guys that kind of had assistem Like we know

654
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Speaker 2: the quarterbacks that not too much is put on their plate,

655
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Speaker 2: run the football, play defense, don't beat us, and you

656
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Speaker 2: know you can name the guys through the years, right,

657
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Speaker 2: that's kind of just I like, Justin Herbert never really

658
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Speaker 2: wowed me in the right degular season this year. Now,

659
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Speaker 2: you could argue individual moments for sure, but I don't

660
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Speaker 2: feel like and I understand it was by design based

661
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Speaker 2: on the limitations of some of the wide receivers and etc.

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Speaker 2: And obviously the strength is the O line in the

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Speaker 2: run game, but I never felt like Justin Herbert had

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Speaker 2: those moments every single week that we said like wow,

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Speaker 2: the same way that we did with Josh Allen, Lamar Jackson,

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Speaker 2: Joe Burrow. First of all, let me just ask you simply,

667
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Speaker 2: is that fair for me to say? Am I being

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Speaker 2: too critical?

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Speaker 1: No? Man, I definitely think it's fair. I think that

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Speaker 1: I think that Justin Herbert does a couple of wow

671
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Speaker 1: things that sometimes gets blown out of proportion, like he

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Speaker 1: does them all the time. And the truth of the

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Speaker 1: matter is the Chargers won because of their defense yep,

674
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Speaker 1: this year, far more than anything the offense did. And yes,

675
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Speaker 1: he had deficiencies. I mean, his rookie Lad McConkie was

676
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Speaker 1: the guy that he could rely on this year, and

677
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Speaker 1: he pretty much had nobody else consistently as a target,

678
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Speaker 1: but eventually something has to be done about that or

679
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Speaker 1: he's in a fail situation. But he certainly didn't elevate

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Speaker 1: guys when it came down. I mean, he had three

681
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Speaker 1: interceptions on the season, famously had four in this game,

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Speaker 1: so he had more in one game than he did

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Speaker 1: in all of the year. But I mean, he had

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Speaker 1: twenty three touchdowns and three interceptions. It's good, but I

685
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Speaker 1: mean in terms of yards, thirty eight hundred yards, so

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Speaker 1: not four thousand he was. I mean, he was good,

687
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Speaker 1: but not like elite of elite the way that he

688
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Speaker 1: has often talked about. I think the biggest thing with

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Speaker 1: him is and it's not anything he's doing, but there

690
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Speaker 1: was just a narrative and a christening done of Justin

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Speaker 1: Herbert very early in his run, like early in his

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Speaker 1: second year. You started hearing people talk about it, and

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Speaker 1: he became an internet superstar when it came to social media,

694
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Speaker 1: NFL accounts, just talking about what a phenomenal talent he

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Speaker 1: was and all this stuff. And it just hasn't panned

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Speaker 1: out in terms of what we've seen in these playoff

697
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Speaker 1: games or in a really any meaningful game, Like he

698
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Speaker 1: just hasn't had that kind of a marquee moment yet,

699
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Speaker 1: and there's been a lot of guys where it has

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Speaker 1: taken a while. But I think that usually you wait

701
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Speaker 1: to give them the accolades until after they've done it,

702
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Speaker 1: and with Herbert it was the opposite.

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Speaker 3: So I agree on all that.

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Speaker 2: And when I look at it, to me, first of all,

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Speaker 2: in terms of, you know, the the criticism versus whatever,

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Speaker 2: I do think we're at the point where, listen, whether

707
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Speaker 2: it's Josh Allen, whether it's Lamar Jackson, whoever, if you

708
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Speaker 2: are an elite quarterback, I understand that the weapons are

709
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Speaker 2: this and that there's there's a lot of variables. Okay,

710
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Speaker 2: we all get that. But at the same time, if

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Speaker 2: you are an elite quarterback, you figure out a way

712
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Speaker 2: to elevate. And when we say elevate, it's not, oh,

713
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Speaker 2: if you don't win a Super Bowl, you're a bust,

714
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Speaker 2: but it's like you do kind of got to get

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Speaker 2: out of the first round to geinst the Texans team

716
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Speaker 2: that wasn't very good this year, Like if you're truly elite,

717
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Speaker 2: like like at some point you do got to do that.

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Speaker 2: And I think the other thing that that kind of

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Speaker 2: stands out to me. I was thinking about when you

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Speaker 2: were talking last segment, is like we're all fans of sports,

721
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Speaker 2: and you know, whether it was you think about some

722
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Speaker 2: of the great eras in sports, right when Tom Brady

723
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Speaker 2: was at the top in the NFL, or when you know,

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Speaker 2: Michael Jordan was a star in the NBA, Like there

725
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Speaker 2: were those guys that were, like, you know, just a

726
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Speaker 2: tier below Michael Jordan, but they weren't quite the same player.

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Speaker 2: And then there were guys that, like you tried to

728
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Speaker 2: elevate to that level and they weren't even there.

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Speaker 3: You know.

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Speaker 2: So as an example, like who would we say, are

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Speaker 2: like some of the great contemporaries of like Michael Jordan's

732
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Speaker 2: time that weren't quite Michael Jordan, you know, Charles Barkley,

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Speaker 2: Patrick Ewing, whatever.

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Speaker 3: Carl lolone. Yeah, right, and then there's like that tier

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Speaker 3: that's even below that.

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Speaker 2: That's like, Okay, Clyde Drexler had like a moment, but

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Speaker 2: Clyde Drexler wasn't he I don't even think he was

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Speaker 2: in that Patrick Ewing class, if you will, Hakeem Olajuan whoever.

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Speaker 2: I'm just using that as a hypothetical, maybe more recently,

740
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Speaker 2: you would say Lebron was the guy. D Wade was

741
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Speaker 2: that next tier then, like Mellow was really good, but

742
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Speaker 2: he was never really in that elleite elite.

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Speaker 1: I think it's easier to look at that than it

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Speaker 1: is to try and go back and figure out. I

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Speaker 1: don't know who else we were trying to elevate that

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Speaker 1: would be a step below a step, but I think

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Speaker 1: that you can definitely do it in today's NBA. I

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Speaker 1: think Mellow's a really good example because Mello had incredible

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Speaker 1: offensive talent throughout his entire career and pretty much never

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Speaker 1: won anything of note.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but he wasn't in that like he had. I

752
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Speaker 2: think it's basically how I'm described. We just described Justin

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Speaker 2: Herbert like he had those really incredible moments, but they

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Speaker 2: weren't sustainable. And we don't think of Melo the way

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Speaker 2: we do. Even d Wade let alone a Lebron, and

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Speaker 2: I think Justin Herbert his career is trending that way.

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Speaker 3: Now.

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Speaker 2: Again, he's not even twenty seven years old. Yet he's

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Speaker 2: got a great head coach. This was year one. There's

760
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Speaker 2: plenty of time, but I do think you know, Lamar's

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Speaker 2: basically his age.

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Speaker 3: Josh Allen's basically his age, and.

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Speaker 2: They've had more meaningful postseason moments even if they haven't made.

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Speaker 3: A Super Bowl.

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Speaker 2: So I guess that's just the point and I'm trying

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Speaker 2: to make is that I think historically there's like the

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Speaker 2: guy Guy Guy, which is Brady Mahomes, Jordan Lebron, whatever.

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Speaker 2: Then there's that tier below, and then there's that tier

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Speaker 2: below that. And I think right now Justin Herbert is

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Speaker 2: in that third tier. I don't even think he's in

771
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Speaker 2: that Joe Burrow, Lamar whatever tier, let alone the Patrick

772
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Speaker 2: Mahomes here, there's time to get there. But you know

773
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Speaker 2: what I'm saying, I hope that it was a long

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Speaker 2: wind away, but I hope that makes sense.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I like, I don't want a dog on

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Speaker 1: the guy, because I understand that there were some challenges there.

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Speaker 1: But at the same time, like I'm already seeing the

778
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Speaker 1: apologists out here, I'm already seeing the articles being written

779
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Speaker 1: that this isn't his fault and he's still going to

780
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Speaker 1: prove it. Okay, okay, great, but he needs to actually

781
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Speaker 1: do it. Like we were getting that territory where you

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Speaker 1: can't bet on it anymore, Like take away the name

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Speaker 1: Justin Herbert, and instead of Justin Herbert, you can look

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Speaker 1: at the same stats during the regular season. You can

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Speaker 1: look at then the same stat line that happened today.

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Speaker 1: Take the name Justin Herbert out and put the name

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Speaker 1: Dak Prescott in And how are you talking about it? Bingo,

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Speaker 1: Take Justin and Herbert's name out and put Kirk Cousin's

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Speaker 1: name in it. How are you talking about it? That's

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Speaker 1: where the that's where the disconnect is. Eventually, you are

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Speaker 1: what your stats and what's your record and all these

792
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Speaker 1: things are You are judged as a quarterback in this

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Speaker 1: league about what you can do in the postseason. And

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Speaker 1: so far, Justin Herbert has done bupkiss, He's done squat

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Speaker 1: in the postseason. And I still I don't think we

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Speaker 1: can give him a pass for that anymore. I don't

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Speaker 1: think that's fair the way we criticize other quarterbacks.

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Speaker 2: I think that's totally fair and think it speaks to

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Speaker 2: the fact that there's still plenty of time, but he's

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Speaker 2: got to figure it out. Fox Sports Radio ra Tours

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Speaker 2: Jason Martin, We'll go from the NFL to college. The

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Speaker 2: championship is set, there's still a lot to discuss Fox

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Speaker 2: up till two am Eastern time. As de Seger just

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Speaker 2: told you, two NFL playoff games are in the books.

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Speaker 2: The most recent one ended about an hour ago. Baltimore

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Speaker 2: twenty eight, Pittsburgh fourteen. In the early game, Houston running

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Speaker 2: away from the Los Angeles Chargers thirty two to twelve,

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Speaker 2: Justin Herbert with four interceptions. We just spent our one

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Speaker 2: talking about those two games. We will revisit them in

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Speaker 2: just a little bit, and of course look ahead to

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Speaker 2: four awesome games coming up on Sunday and Monday. Before

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Speaker 2: we do, though, Jamart, NFL is the only playoff that's

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Speaker 2: going on right now. We got a college football playoff

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Speaker 2: going on. We are down to two teams. Ohio State,

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Speaker 2: of course, took care of business against Texas on Friday night,

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Speaker 2: of whorse, the late strip and score sealed the victory

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Speaker 2: for the Ohio State buck Guys. On Thursday night, the

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Speaker 2: Notre Dame Fighting Iris, thanks to a late field goal,

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Speaker 2: did take care of business against the Penn State. Nitney lyons,

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna give you the floor. I'm gonna say, I

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Speaker 2: little choose your own adventure. Notre Dame beating Penn State

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Speaker 2: twenty seven to twenty four, Ohio State beating Texas twenty

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Speaker 2: eight to fourteen. Which one are you, Jason Martin more

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Speaker 2: interested in talking about first?

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Speaker 1: I mean, both games were dramatic and fun to watch.

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Speaker 1: I was very happy with both in kind of the final.

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Speaker 1: Just the final takeaway of watching both those games, they

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Speaker 1: were both worthy semi finals. All four teams played really,

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Speaker 1: really hard. You had some dramatic moments and some big

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Speaker 1: time plays made in both those games. I think that

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Speaker 1: Penn State Notre Dame maybe is where I would start,

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Speaker 1: just because there is something about this Dame team that

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Speaker 1: feels a little bit special, and they seem to. It's

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Speaker 1: not that they're getting all the bounces, it's that they're

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Speaker 1: playing really smart football, like they're doing smart things they're

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Speaker 1: doing clever things, but they seemingly let other teams beat themselves,

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Speaker 1: Like Riley Leonard. I would even say across the board, actually,

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Speaker 1: these four quarterbacks, you might not get a collection of

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Speaker 1: like four more at this stage in their career in

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Speaker 1: terms of what you're looking at in what they could

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Speaker 1: do in the future. Maybe more mediocre guys in a

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Speaker 1: semi final than these four guys. I mean, let's just

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Speaker 1: be honest. Really, Klton Aller maybe ends up the best

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Speaker 1: of all of them, and he had the worst performance

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Speaker 1: of the four.

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Speaker 2: I want to let you keep going, but I was

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Speaker 2: thinking about how crazy it is. And I know college

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Speaker 2: is just a byproduct of any given year.

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Speaker 3: You just never know.

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Speaker 2: Last year it was awesome with Pennix and bon Nicks,

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Speaker 2: et cetera. It is crazy, though, how the NFL is

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Speaker 2: a totally quarterback driven sport and college all of the

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Speaker 2: quarterback who are still in this playoff. I don't know

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Speaker 2: how to say it delicately. I wouldn't really trust all

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Speaker 2: that much. I mean, even Will Howard. He's got plenty

864
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Speaker 2: of weapons, but I don't know that I trust him individually.

865
00:43:09,360 --> 00:43:10,600
Speaker 2: But go ahead, keep going, Jamarin.

866
00:43:10,719 --> 00:43:13,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean Riley Leonard is like a more athletic

867
00:43:13,719 --> 00:43:17,560
Speaker 1: version of Daniel Jones, basically who doesn't throw the ball

868
00:43:17,600 --> 00:43:21,000
Speaker 1: as well as Daniel Jones does. But Marcus Freeman and

869
00:43:21,040 --> 00:43:23,160
Speaker 1: the coaching staff I find that really interesting. But really,

870
00:43:23,200 --> 00:43:24,759
Speaker 1: I mean, I think it's hard to talk about one

871
00:43:24,800 --> 00:43:26,799
Speaker 1: without talking about the other because I felt like two

872
00:43:26,840 --> 00:43:30,600
Speaker 1: big decisions in this game, maybe, or in those two games,

873
00:43:30,640 --> 00:43:33,479
Speaker 1: maybe determine the outcome of both of them. One, Let's

874
00:43:33,560 --> 00:43:37,000
Speaker 1: let Drew Aller throw a pass in the final minute

875
00:43:37,040 --> 00:43:39,839
Speaker 1: of the game on our side of the field when

876
00:43:39,880 --> 00:43:43,279
Speaker 1: he hasn't completed a pass to a wide receiver all night.

877
00:43:43,440 --> 00:43:46,319
Speaker 1: And then on second down from the two yard line

878
00:43:46,360 --> 00:43:50,319
Speaker 1: against Ohio States defense, let's do a toss sweep to

879
00:43:50,400 --> 00:43:54,040
Speaker 1: the left and lose five yards from a shotgun position

880
00:43:54,120 --> 00:43:56,880
Speaker 1: off the snap, as opposed to just I don't know,

881
00:43:57,520 --> 00:44:02,560
Speaker 1: putting in Arch doing anything else in that moment if

882
00:44:02,680 --> 00:44:05,560
Speaker 1: Arch had been concosted or knocked out earlier, and I

883
00:44:05,600 --> 00:44:09,200
Speaker 1: have no idea, but like what you did cost you

884
00:44:09,239 --> 00:44:11,879
Speaker 1: five six yards and then directly led to that. Now,

885
00:44:12,080 --> 00:44:15,520
Speaker 1: what will be a famous play by Jack Sawyer that

886
00:44:15,600 --> 00:44:18,279
Speaker 1: Ohio State people will talk about until the end of time,

887
00:44:18,360 --> 00:44:21,440
Speaker 1: And that play never happens. If you don't call that,

888
00:44:22,360 --> 00:44:24,960
Speaker 1: I gotta say it, man. It was just a boneheaded choice. Like,

889
00:44:25,000 --> 00:44:29,000
Speaker 1: those are two decisions made by those two coaches that

890
00:44:29,080 --> 00:44:31,759
Speaker 1: they will probably never be able to fully live down

891
00:44:31,920 --> 00:44:35,480
Speaker 1: because they were both just complete self inflicted mistakes.

892
00:44:35,760 --> 00:44:37,160
Speaker 3: Somebody was asking me before the show.

893
00:44:37,200 --> 00:44:39,640
Speaker 2: I forget if it was Ian or Brandon in the back,

894
00:44:39,680 --> 00:44:41,480
Speaker 2: but somebody was like, what did you make of the

895
00:44:41,520 --> 00:44:44,440
Speaker 2: sark thing? And it's like, there's just no good explanation.

896
00:44:44,640 --> 00:44:47,759
Speaker 2: And I know you're not on social media, but generally

897
00:44:48,239 --> 00:44:51,560
Speaker 2: when everybody on social media agrees on something, generally they're

898
00:44:51,600 --> 00:44:52,440
Speaker 2: they're kind of idiots.

899
00:44:52,440 --> 00:44:54,160
Speaker 3: I mean, you know what you fill in the blank.

900
00:44:54,440 --> 00:44:57,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, I bring it up because everybody immediately was like,

901
00:44:57,800 --> 00:45:02,040
Speaker 2: what was that play call? And I think everybody was right.

902
00:45:02,080 --> 00:45:04,359
Speaker 2: I think it was totally fair to ask. And I

903
00:45:04,400 --> 00:45:08,200
Speaker 2: think more specifically, it was fair to ask because, as

904
00:45:08,239 --> 00:45:11,560
Speaker 2: you said, arch Manning, for whatever reason, you have not

905
00:45:11,640 --> 00:45:14,480
Speaker 2: decided to Benchquin yours. That's another conversation that you know

906
00:45:14,520 --> 00:45:16,600
Speaker 2: at this point is kind of moot. Doesn't even matter.

907
00:45:16,960 --> 00:45:19,319
Speaker 2: But the one thing that you did establish that you

908
00:45:19,360 --> 00:45:23,400
Speaker 2: were comfortable doing was putting arch Manning in on short

909
00:45:23,560 --> 00:45:27,759
Speaker 2: down short yardage situations, you're on the goal line, you

910
00:45:27,880 --> 00:45:30,319
Speaker 2: get the first down because of the past interference. It's

911
00:45:30,400 --> 00:45:33,480
Speaker 2: like that, you know, we can get to Aller in

912
00:45:33,560 --> 00:45:36,040
Speaker 2: a second. But that was one of the most shocking things,

913
00:45:36,080 --> 00:45:38,080
Speaker 2: one of the most dumb things. That obviously set up

914
00:45:38,080 --> 00:45:40,759
Speaker 2: the strip and scorees to play later, but that was

915
00:45:40,920 --> 00:45:44,000
Speaker 2: for an otherwise I think pretty sharp coach and Steve Sarkishan.

916
00:45:44,080 --> 00:45:45,520
Speaker 3: That was just stunning.

917
00:45:45,560 --> 00:45:47,480
Speaker 1: It really yeah, I just I just there was no

918
00:45:48,440 --> 00:45:50,239
Speaker 1: I mean, sure, okay, he gets in the end zone.

919
00:45:50,239 --> 00:45:52,040
Speaker 1: What are we saying. We're like, boy, that was risky,

920
00:45:52,160 --> 00:45:54,919
Speaker 1: but it's but it works. But when it doesn't work,

921
00:45:55,120 --> 00:45:57,800
Speaker 1: this is the result. Like the risk there. The first

922
00:45:57,800 --> 00:46:00,879
Speaker 1: thing is all right, so they've had this stingy goal

923
00:46:00,960 --> 00:46:03,520
Speaker 1: line defense all year, had that famous stand against Penn

924
00:46:03,520 --> 00:46:06,319
Speaker 1: State earlier in the year. Ohio State may stop you

925
00:46:06,360 --> 00:46:08,719
Speaker 1: if you go four times straight at them. Yeah, but

926
00:46:10,120 --> 00:46:12,759
Speaker 1: I don't think the idea then should be all right,

927
00:46:13,280 --> 00:46:16,600
Speaker 1: we're gonna take quinn Ewers and put him in shotgun

928
00:46:16,920 --> 00:46:18,920
Speaker 1: and we're then gonna do a toss suite to the

929
00:46:18,960 --> 00:46:22,399
Speaker 1: left side on the outside. But we have to get

930
00:46:22,440 --> 00:46:25,600
Speaker 1: five yards just to get where we started. From that's like.

931
00:46:25,800 --> 00:46:28,799
Speaker 2: Against it, I'm gonna give up with NFL everywhere, with

932
00:46:28,960 --> 00:46:36,080
Speaker 2: speed everywhere, Like it just it defied reason, Like I can, honestly,

933
00:46:36,160 --> 00:46:38,560
Speaker 2: of the two, that's the more egregious one.

934
00:46:39,080 --> 00:46:42,120
Speaker 1: I can. I can. I don't like what Penn State

935
00:46:42,160 --> 00:46:45,719
Speaker 1: did either, but I I feel like of the two,

936
00:46:46,000 --> 00:46:49,640
Speaker 1: the Texas mistake was was more massive to say the least.

937
00:46:50,120 --> 00:46:51,959
Speaker 2: I think there's no doubt and I mean I think

938
00:46:52,000 --> 00:46:57,080
Speaker 2: the Penn State one.

939
00:46:55,600 --> 00:46:57,000
Speaker 3: I I was a little surprised that.

940
00:46:57,080 --> 00:46:59,399
Speaker 2: You know, listen, I'm not here to criticize other media

941
00:46:59,440 --> 00:47:01,920
Speaker 2: members because I think everybody mostly for the most part

942
00:47:01,960 --> 00:47:04,759
Speaker 2: in our business like works hard and does Like if

943
00:47:04,800 --> 00:47:07,719
Speaker 2: you're calling a college football playoff game, you clearly are

944
00:47:07,840 --> 00:47:11,359
Speaker 2: qualified to do the job. But like Greg McElroy being like, well,

945
00:47:11,440 --> 00:47:14,120
Speaker 2: Drew Aller, I would let him loose because he just

946
00:47:14,120 --> 00:47:16,440
Speaker 2: doesn't make mistakes. And it's like it's kind of what

947
00:47:16,440 --> 00:47:18,520
Speaker 2: we were saying about justin Herbert last hour. It's like, yeah,

948
00:47:18,560 --> 00:47:20,640
Speaker 2: he doesn't make mistakes because his team doesn't really put

949
00:47:20,719 --> 00:47:24,359
Speaker 2: him in position to make mistakes. And I go back

950
00:47:24,360 --> 00:47:28,480
Speaker 2: to you just have to look at the most recent games,

951
00:47:28,560 --> 00:47:32,560
Speaker 2: even before the semi final Boise thirteen of twenty five

952
00:47:32,600 --> 00:47:34,600
Speaker 2: passing one hundred and seventy one yards. Yeah, he had

953
00:47:34,600 --> 00:47:37,799
Speaker 2: three touchdowns. It's fifty two percent completion percentage. Thirteen of

954
00:47:37,880 --> 00:47:41,360
Speaker 2: twenty two against SMU didn't really matter because SMU gifted

955
00:47:41,680 --> 00:47:44,719
Speaker 2: Penn State a bunch of points. Even the Oregon game

956
00:47:44,760 --> 00:47:47,640
Speaker 2: that we remember as this incredible coming out party for

957
00:47:47,680 --> 00:47:50,440
Speaker 2: the Penn State offense, Drew Aller twenty of thirty nine

958
00:47:50,880 --> 00:47:53,000
Speaker 2: and he did have three touchdowns, also had two interceptions.

959
00:47:53,000 --> 00:47:56,279
Speaker 2: I just found it weird that even during the broadcast,

960
00:47:56,320 --> 00:47:58,000
Speaker 2: it was like you would have thought it was like,

961
00:47:58,280 --> 00:48:00,960
Speaker 2: you know, Russell Wilson has probam just drell or Cook.

962
00:48:01,040 --> 00:48:03,319
Speaker 2: I'm like, I don't know, You've been running the ball

963
00:48:03,360 --> 00:48:07,400
Speaker 2: pretty well all game, you know. Notre Dame it was

964
00:48:07,440 --> 00:48:09,759
Speaker 2: clearly by the end of that game, and even coming

965
00:48:09,800 --> 00:48:11,480
Speaker 2: into the game, I think the more banged up team.

966
00:48:11,520 --> 00:48:13,359
Speaker 2: I know Abdul Carter was hurt, but I think as

967
00:48:13,360 --> 00:48:16,799
Speaker 2: a collective team, Notre Dame had two offensive linemen out

968
00:48:16,840 --> 00:48:19,480
Speaker 2: Riley Leonard in and out of Kukushia Protocol. Love had

969
00:48:19,480 --> 00:48:23,480
Speaker 2: a big brace on his knee. Listen, I'll say this,

970
00:48:23,560 --> 00:48:25,120
Speaker 2: jam Mark, because I want to get it back to you.

971
00:48:26,080 --> 00:48:29,120
Speaker 2: I thought it was a little aggressive to oh, here's

972
00:48:29,200 --> 00:48:32,400
Speaker 2: James Franklin again in a game that didn't matter. I

973
00:48:32,440 --> 00:48:35,000
Speaker 2: didn't think that was a James Franklin, like the worst

974
00:48:35,040 --> 00:48:38,440
Speaker 2: loss that I've ever seen. I just did not agree

975
00:48:38,440 --> 00:48:40,920
Speaker 2: with the idea that, oh, just let drewal or Cook

976
00:48:41,000 --> 00:48:42,360
Speaker 2: because he's not gonna beat you.

977
00:48:42,360 --> 00:48:44,480
Speaker 3: I'm like, I don't know. I mean, I man, he

978
00:48:44,640 --> 00:48:46,160
Speaker 3: looked man earlier in the game.

979
00:48:46,320 --> 00:48:49,960
Speaker 1: I'll say this. So he tries to throw an interception

980
00:48:50,080 --> 00:48:53,080
Speaker 1: in the end zone in the in the left corner

981
00:48:53,080 --> 00:48:55,920
Speaker 1: of the end zone. They end up calling that PI

982
00:48:56,840 --> 00:49:01,000
Speaker 1: and so it doesn't end up being costly. I'm literally screaming,

983
00:49:01,239 --> 00:49:03,680
Speaker 1: like out loud, I said, what are you doing? Because

984
00:49:03,680 --> 00:49:05,960
Speaker 1: they were just running the ball and they were running

985
00:49:06,000 --> 00:49:08,360
Speaker 1: it down their throat outside of Warren, they were just

986
00:49:08,520 --> 00:49:12,360
Speaker 1: running the ball at Notre Dame, and both Allen and

987
00:49:12,480 --> 00:49:15,120
Speaker 1: especially Singleton were doing a great job, and I was

988
00:49:15,160 --> 00:49:16,960
Speaker 1: just like, why are you throwing the ball for the

989
00:49:17,080 --> 00:49:20,560
Speaker 1: end zone? And I immediately before the ball was even

990
00:49:20,800 --> 00:49:22,080
Speaker 1: like while I was still in the air, I said,

991
00:49:22,080 --> 00:49:24,360
Speaker 1: what are you doing? And then he ends up getting

992
00:49:24,360 --> 00:49:26,960
Speaker 1: saved by that, and it's just kind of like Aler

993
00:49:27,000 --> 00:49:29,839
Speaker 1: has not been accurate tonight. He hasn't been making great

994
00:49:29,840 --> 00:49:34,000
Speaker 1: decisions tonight. This Notre Dame defense is just waiting for

995
00:49:34,080 --> 00:49:36,480
Speaker 1: him to make a mistake because they may have the

996
00:49:36,480 --> 00:49:39,479
Speaker 1: best secondary in the country and they're just sitting there

997
00:49:39,960 --> 00:49:42,239
Speaker 1: waiting for Drew Aller to throw the football to him.

998
00:49:42,239 --> 00:49:44,759
Speaker 1: And that's exactly what he did. It's just a play

999
00:49:44,800 --> 00:49:47,520
Speaker 1: you can't make. And to McElroy and listen to his defense.

1000
00:49:47,640 --> 00:49:51,640
Speaker 1: But this is what you get sometimes when you have

1001
00:49:52,239 --> 00:49:56,600
Speaker 1: quarterbacks in the booth as analysts, is that they're always

1002
00:49:56,680 --> 00:49:58,960
Speaker 1: going to seed more ground to the idea that the

1003
00:49:59,040 --> 00:50:01,240
Speaker 1: quarterbacks should be a allowed to go make the play.

1004
00:50:01,600 --> 00:50:04,520
Speaker 1: And in this case, mackilroy was just flat wrong.

1005
00:50:04,760 --> 00:50:05,399
Speaker 3: Well, can I him?

1006
00:50:05,440 --> 00:50:07,600
Speaker 1: State had a much better chance to just run the

1007
00:50:07,600 --> 00:50:10,440
Speaker 1: ball and then go to overtime on a short field

1008
00:50:10,880 --> 00:50:13,840
Speaker 1: and then we'll see whether or not. You know, Riley

1009
00:50:13,880 --> 00:50:15,960
Speaker 1: Leonard's going to cough it up again, because Roley Leonard

1010
00:50:16,000 --> 00:50:18,520
Speaker 1: coughed it up twice in the game. Their defense was

1011
00:50:18,560 --> 00:50:22,080
Speaker 1: still playing very well against Notre Dame. There was no

1012
00:50:22,120 --> 00:50:24,279
Speaker 1: reason to think you couldn't win that thing in overtime.

1013
00:50:24,560 --> 00:50:27,440
Speaker 1: I understand wanting to win it in regulation, but not

1014
00:50:27,600 --> 00:50:30,680
Speaker 1: when you haven't thrown a completion to a wide receiver

1015
00:50:30,880 --> 00:50:33,880
Speaker 1: all night long. Call that's what I'm gonna go do.

1016
00:50:34,120 --> 00:50:36,560
Speaker 1: That's gonna be the play call at that point in time.

1017
00:50:37,080 --> 00:50:40,080
Speaker 1: I just I fail to see the logic there.

1018
00:50:40,360 --> 00:50:43,400
Speaker 2: That's probably the most important point that neither of us

1019
00:50:43,400 --> 00:50:44,880
Speaker 2: had brought up to that point is you had not

1020
00:50:44,960 --> 00:50:47,640
Speaker 2: completed a pass to a wide receiver at all, at

1021
00:50:47,680 --> 00:50:50,640
Speaker 2: all at that point really quickly on that game. Do

1022
00:50:50,719 --> 00:50:54,560
Speaker 2: you like We've both been very critical of James Franklin

1023
00:50:54,600 --> 00:50:56,960
Speaker 2: and I listen, He's won in fifteen against top five teams,

1024
00:50:56,960 --> 00:51:01,480
Speaker 2: and so I think it's largely justifiable. I do think

1025
00:51:01,480 --> 00:51:04,959
Speaker 2: it's kind of weird. Like, I'm still not totally sure

1026
00:51:04,960 --> 00:51:07,960
Speaker 2: if like how good Penn State was. Okay, lost to

1027
00:51:08,000 --> 00:51:10,480
Speaker 2: the three best teams on the schedule, Oregon, Ohio State,

1028
00:51:10,520 --> 00:51:13,239
Speaker 2: and Notre Dame. Those aren't three losses to scoff At.

1029
00:51:13,280 --> 00:51:15,239
Speaker 2: I'm not saying you're a bad team, but you know,

1030
00:51:15,440 --> 00:51:18,439
Speaker 2: SMU Gift wrapped you a victory where you didn't really

1031
00:51:18,480 --> 00:51:20,920
Speaker 2: have to hit fifth gear. You weren't great against Boise

1032
00:51:21,040 --> 00:51:24,440
Speaker 2: no matter what the final score said. So I don't

1033
00:51:24,440 --> 00:51:26,839
Speaker 2: know how good Penn State was but I also I

1034
00:51:26,880 --> 00:51:30,360
Speaker 2: did feel like it was a little aggressive to just

1035
00:51:30,480 --> 00:51:33,400
Speaker 2: pile on James Franklin. It's a college football semi final.

1036
00:51:33,800 --> 00:51:36,720
Speaker 2: It came down to a play or two. I think

1037
00:51:36,760 --> 00:51:40,200
Speaker 2: that some of the decision making wasn't great, But I

1038
00:51:40,200 --> 00:51:42,319
Speaker 2: don't know that it's James Franklin's fault that you have

1039
00:51:42,480 --> 00:51:45,759
Speaker 2: the ball back, you have the ball tied with under

1040
00:51:45,800 --> 00:51:48,160
Speaker 2: a minute to go, and your quarterback throws an interception

1041
00:51:48,200 --> 00:51:50,319
Speaker 2: against a really good Notre Names And where'd you stand

1042
00:51:50,320 --> 00:51:52,840
Speaker 2: on just James Franklin as a coach coming out of

1043
00:51:52,840 --> 00:51:53,200
Speaker 2: that game.

1044
00:51:53,360 --> 00:51:56,000
Speaker 1: I don't feel worse about James Franklin coming out of that.

1045
00:51:56,160 --> 00:51:59,920
Speaker 1: I think the problem that all of us saw was

1046
00:52:00,920 --> 00:52:04,000
Speaker 1: at that point in the game, that's a game you

1047
00:52:04,040 --> 00:52:07,080
Speaker 1: had every opportunity to then go and win. That's a

1048
00:52:07,120 --> 00:52:10,200
Speaker 1: game that you could have won, and you lost, and

1049
00:52:10,239 --> 00:52:13,759
Speaker 1: you largely lost because you made a bad decision on

1050
00:52:13,800 --> 00:52:16,880
Speaker 1: a play call. If you're OC made it, then overrule

1051
00:52:16,920 --> 00:52:20,080
Speaker 1: him because you're the head coach in that situation. So that,

1052
00:52:20,200 --> 00:52:22,560
Speaker 1: I think is where the critique could be fair. I

1053
00:52:22,600 --> 00:52:25,360
Speaker 1: don't think that this was a terrible performance. I agree

1054
00:52:25,400 --> 00:52:27,520
Speaker 1: with you, and we kind of said that during the season.

1055
00:52:27,560 --> 00:52:29,359
Speaker 1: I don't know how good Penn State is because they

1056
00:52:29,400 --> 00:52:32,719
Speaker 1: only beat the teams they're supposed to beat. But we

1057
00:52:32,800 --> 00:52:36,160
Speaker 1: looked at them in the Big Ten championship game where

1058
00:52:36,160 --> 00:52:38,320
Speaker 1: they put up a ton of points against the Oregon

1059
00:52:38,920 --> 00:52:41,400
Speaker 1: looked good and then unfortunately, And I even said, I

1060
00:52:41,440 --> 00:52:43,719
Speaker 1: was like, I feel bad James Franklin going into this

1061
00:52:43,760 --> 00:52:46,040
Speaker 1: playoff because no matter what he does in the first

1062
00:52:46,040 --> 00:52:48,319
Speaker 1: two games in terms of wins, it's not gonna matter

1063
00:52:48,360 --> 00:52:51,839
Speaker 1: because people are just going to blame the opponents and say,

1064
00:52:51,960 --> 00:52:53,600
Speaker 1: all right, well, let's see what happens when they play

1065
00:52:53,600 --> 00:52:57,360
Speaker 1: a real team. And the first quote unquote real team

1066
00:52:57,480 --> 00:52:59,719
Speaker 1: that they played was Notre Dame, and they found a

1067
00:52:59,719 --> 00:53:02,759
Speaker 1: way to lose close based on what I think could

1068
00:53:02,800 --> 00:53:06,040
Speaker 1: be deemed a questionable decision. I came away feeling a

1069
00:53:06,080 --> 00:53:09,880
Speaker 1: little better about James Franklin than I did at the

1070
00:53:09,920 --> 00:53:12,640
Speaker 1: beginning of the season, but he still got a lot

1071
00:53:12,680 --> 00:53:15,200
Speaker 1: to prove. There's still a lot that is left out there,

1072
00:53:15,239 --> 00:53:18,319
Speaker 1: and I can understand why any Penn State fan would

1073
00:53:18,360 --> 00:53:22,759
Speaker 1: be frustrated by it, but I can't get like two

1074
00:53:22,880 --> 00:53:27,320
Speaker 1: over my skis when it comes to the James Franklin

1075
00:53:27,480 --> 00:53:31,839
Speaker 1: kind of hatred society or anything like that. I just

1076
00:53:31,920 --> 00:53:35,279
Speaker 1: I've always been a little bit skeptical of him as

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Speaker 1: a game day coach. I remain a little bit skeptical

1078
00:53:38,440 --> 00:53:40,719
Speaker 1: about him as a game day coach. But I was

1079
00:53:40,800 --> 00:53:43,839
Speaker 1: more impressed with what Penn State pulled off this year

1080
00:53:44,160 --> 00:53:46,520
Speaker 1: as a whole, because I didn't think they were going

1081
00:53:46,600 --> 00:53:50,120
Speaker 1: to get this far. And I think that is a

1082
00:53:50,160 --> 00:53:52,239
Speaker 1: credit to the program. And I do think they're going

1083
00:53:52,320 --> 00:53:54,759
Speaker 1: to put money into nil and they do need to

1084
00:53:54,760 --> 00:53:56,759
Speaker 1: get Aller some weapons. They need to give him some

1085
00:53:56,800 --> 00:53:59,759
Speaker 1: better wide receivers, some more guys so he doesn't have

1086
00:53:59,760 --> 00:54:02,399
Speaker 1: to think or to Tyler Warren or handing football off

1087
00:54:02,440 --> 00:54:04,840
Speaker 1: every time. And I think that Aller proved This is

1088
00:54:04,880 --> 00:54:07,239
Speaker 1: the other point. We haven't made it yet, Yeah, but

1089
00:54:07,360 --> 00:54:10,399
Speaker 1: we both suggested it to each other as that game

1090
00:54:10,480 --> 00:54:12,359
Speaker 1: is going on. We don't need to have the Drew

1091
00:54:12,400 --> 00:54:15,319
Speaker 1: Aller to the NFL conversation yet, Like we can back

1092
00:54:15,360 --> 00:54:18,080
Speaker 1: that off. No one needs to have that. Don't write

1093
00:54:18,080 --> 00:54:20,520
Speaker 1: the articles, don't talk about it. I don't care what

1094
00:54:20,560 --> 00:54:23,040
Speaker 1: his potential. He's got a long way to go. There's

1095
00:54:23,080 --> 00:54:26,080
Speaker 1: still a lot that he there's some maturation that needs

1096
00:54:26,120 --> 00:54:29,439
Speaker 1: to take place, there's some decision making, some accuracy, there's

1097
00:54:29,440 --> 00:54:31,480
Speaker 1: stuff that he needs. There's no reason to rush this.

1098
00:54:31,640 --> 00:54:34,040
Speaker 1: I understand. You look at his size, you look at

1099
00:54:34,080 --> 00:54:36,719
Speaker 1: his ability to throw the football all that. Don't get

1100
00:54:36,920 --> 00:54:40,320
Speaker 1: enamored with that yet, Like let's not have Anthony Richardson

1101
00:54:40,400 --> 00:54:43,720
Speaker 1: two point zero or the next you know, Trey Lance

1102
00:54:43,800 --> 00:54:45,359
Speaker 1: or whatever it is that hasn't played a whole lot

1103
00:54:45,360 --> 00:54:47,319
Speaker 1: of football. But the potential's there, so we got to

1104
00:54:47,320 --> 00:54:49,759
Speaker 1: go do this. No, no, no, you really don't. Let's

1105
00:54:49,760 --> 00:54:50,719
Speaker 1: give this some time.

1106
00:54:51,000 --> 00:54:52,319
Speaker 3: Especially in the nil ere.

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00:54:52,440 --> 00:54:55,600
Speaker 2: I have no doubt that Drew Ally listen, if the

1108
00:54:55,680 --> 00:54:58,480
Speaker 2: nilier has proven anything, there is clearly a market for

1109
00:54:58,560 --> 00:55:01,480
Speaker 2: quarterbacks after what happened with car Garson beck On earlier

1110
00:55:01,520 --> 00:55:04,000
Speaker 2: this week, where there are reports he's gonna get upwards

1111
00:55:04,000 --> 00:55:05,879
Speaker 2: of four million dollars to go to Miami. Who knows

1112
00:55:05,880 --> 00:55:08,480
Speaker 2: what's the truth, but Drew Aller will be making very

1113
00:55:08,520 --> 00:55:11,239
Speaker 2: nice money by returning to Penn State. Fox Sports radio

1114
00:55:11,360 --> 00:55:13,239
Speaker 2: eritors Jason Martin, Jay mart I want to come back.

1115
00:55:13,280 --> 00:55:17,319
Speaker 2: I have one more question sort of related to the

1116
00:55:17,719 --> 00:55:22,600
Speaker 2: Thursday Friday night games, and then also a question that's

1117
00:55:22,640 --> 00:55:25,239
Speaker 2: sort of related. Going ahead, we also got to talk

1118
00:55:25,280 --> 00:55:30,759
Speaker 2: the latest with Dion Sanders, a very interesting development on Saturday.

1119
00:55:31,160 --> 00:55:33,480
Speaker 2: We got to get you updated on this Fox Sports Radio.

1120
00:55:35,200 --> 00:55:38,799
Speaker 2: Welcome back, everybody, Fox Sports Radio er Torris Jason Martin.

1121
00:55:38,840 --> 00:55:41,920
Speaker 2: We are broadcasting live from the Tyrax Studios. Football fans,

1122
00:55:42,000 --> 00:55:45,240
Speaker 2: be sure to tune into Fox Sports Radio every Sunday morning,

1123
00:55:45,520 --> 00:55:47,960
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1124
00:55:48,000 --> 00:55:51,960
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1125
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1127
00:56:00,000 --> 00:56:03,279
Speaker 2: I'm right here on Fox Sports Radio and the iHeartRadio app.

1128
00:56:03,640 --> 00:56:08,279
Speaker 2: Jmart We got actually we just you know, we just

1129
00:56:08,320 --> 00:56:10,880
Speaker 2: talked a little bit about the two college football semi finals.

1130
00:56:10,920 --> 00:56:13,760
Speaker 2: Thursday Friday, Notre Dame beats Penn State, and of course

1131
00:56:14,080 --> 00:56:17,440
Speaker 2: on Friday, Ohio State takes care of Texas. We have

1132
00:56:17,520 --> 00:56:20,680
Speaker 2: another full show to preview this game, so I don't

1133
00:56:20,680 --> 00:56:20,920
Speaker 2: want to.

1134
00:56:20,920 --> 00:56:22,640
Speaker 3: Spend too much time on this topic.

1135
00:56:22,719 --> 00:56:25,120
Speaker 2: But I was curious because we did mention a minute

1136
00:56:25,160 --> 00:56:30,480
Speaker 2: ago that James Franklin, I don't think Thursday night is

1137
00:56:31,120 --> 00:56:33,440
Speaker 2: a tear down. James Franklin, it's the worst night he's

1138
00:56:33,440 --> 00:56:37,760
Speaker 2: ever had. But I do think there is a conversation about, like, Okay,

1139
00:56:38,400 --> 00:56:42,120
Speaker 2: what did we actually learn anything from him? And does

1140
00:56:42,160 --> 00:56:45,560
Speaker 2: he still have kind of a lot to prove going forward,

1141
00:56:45,640 --> 00:56:47,920
Speaker 2: especially if Drew Aller comes back. I bring it up

1142
00:56:47,920 --> 00:56:49,480
Speaker 2: because I was thinking this, and I was thinking about

1143
00:56:49,520 --> 00:56:52,719
Speaker 2: this too on Friday night when we weren't totally sure

1144
00:56:52,719 --> 00:56:55,880
Speaker 2: that Ohio State was gonna win. If Ohio State somehow

1145
00:56:55,920 --> 00:56:58,279
Speaker 2: got to the National Championship game, and again, we can

1146
00:56:58,320 --> 00:57:01,040
Speaker 2: be quick on this because we could do a full two, three,

1147
00:57:01,120 --> 00:57:03,560
Speaker 2: four segments on this next week if i'steake got the

1148
00:57:03,600 --> 00:57:07,960
Speaker 2: National Championship Game and somehow did lose to Notre Dame,

1149
00:57:07,960 --> 00:57:09,000
Speaker 2: who's obviously a great team.

1150
00:57:09,040 --> 00:57:12,560
Speaker 3: But how do we feel about Ryan Day because.

1151
00:57:12,480 --> 00:57:15,399
Speaker 2: The whole like, like I was thinking about this last

1152
00:57:15,440 --> 00:57:18,000
Speaker 2: night when it looked like there was the possibility that

1153
00:57:18,080 --> 00:57:20,520
Speaker 2: Ohio State would not win the game. It's like, it's

1154
00:57:20,520 --> 00:57:22,439
Speaker 2: great that you beat Tennessee, it's great that you beat

1155
00:57:22,920 --> 00:57:25,920
Speaker 2: Oregon and now even Texas. If you don't close this

1156
00:57:26,000 --> 00:57:30,840
Speaker 2: out with the Natty, we're feeling better about him. But

1157
00:57:30,960 --> 00:57:32,880
Speaker 2: I do feel like you gotta close this out at

1158
00:57:32,880 --> 00:57:35,760
Speaker 2: this point, right, if you're Ryan Day, I mean yes.

1159
00:57:36,680 --> 00:57:39,560
Speaker 1: Because we have and I said this before the semi

1160
00:57:40,640 --> 00:57:44,200
Speaker 1: really even after the Tennessee game, we now see what

1161
00:57:44,320 --> 00:57:47,080
Speaker 1: this team can look like. Yes, So now we're gonna

1162
00:57:47,120 --> 00:57:50,040
Speaker 1: expect to see it every time, and Ohio State fans

1163
00:57:50,040 --> 00:57:52,280
Speaker 1: are definitely gonna expect to see it every time because

1164
00:57:52,760 --> 00:57:56,560
Speaker 1: the standard is higher at Ohio State for its football

1165
00:57:56,600 --> 00:57:59,440
Speaker 1: program and for the coach of its football program. And

1166
00:57:59,480 --> 00:58:02,720
Speaker 1: you look at talent on the field, and even as

1167
00:58:02,800 --> 00:58:05,840
Speaker 1: good as Notre Dame has become, and as as Marcus

1168
00:58:05,840 --> 00:58:08,560
Speaker 1: Freeman and that crew have used his transfer portal win

1169
00:58:08,800 --> 00:58:10,840
Speaker 1: and all the accolades you want to give Notre Dame,

1170
00:58:10,960 --> 00:58:15,000
Speaker 1: I'm here for them. But Ohio State's talent is next level.

1171
00:58:15,240 --> 00:58:17,960
Speaker 1: And so I think that becomes sort of the conundrum

1172
00:58:18,000 --> 00:58:20,640
Speaker 1: for Ryan Day. Ryan Day has done nothing in this

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00:58:20,680 --> 00:58:24,120
Speaker 1: postseason at all negative Like he's coached well, His team

1174
00:58:24,160 --> 00:58:27,960
Speaker 1: has looked ready to play. They've been They've had when

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00:58:27,960 --> 00:58:30,680
Speaker 1: they've had to make an adjustment, they've made adjustments. They've

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00:58:30,720 --> 00:58:32,640
Speaker 1: done everything that you need and to do. When they

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00:58:32,680 --> 00:58:34,640
Speaker 1: needed to make a big play, even in a tight

1178
00:58:34,680 --> 00:58:38,440
Speaker 1: game against Texas, they made a big play. Everything has

1179
00:58:38,520 --> 00:58:42,040
Speaker 1: has gone pretty much according to plan for them. But

1180
00:58:42,120 --> 00:58:44,680
Speaker 1: if you don't finish it off, people are gonna say

1181
00:58:44,880 --> 00:58:49,480
Speaker 1: Jeremiah Smith, Ibuka, Caleb Downs and just start naming it

1182
00:58:49,560 --> 00:58:51,680
Speaker 1: Jack Sawyer naming all these guys like how could you

1183
00:58:51,760 --> 00:58:55,640
Speaker 1: not win with that on the field. And I do

1184
00:58:55,680 --> 00:58:58,080
Speaker 1: think that the only guy that that ends up sticking

1185
00:58:58,120 --> 00:59:02,240
Speaker 1: to is Ryan Day. I do think the talk of

1186
00:59:03,680 --> 00:59:06,960
Speaker 1: him not being there next year is over. Yeah, I

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00:59:07,000 --> 00:59:11,560
Speaker 1: think that that conversation's well well passed now. Likes he's

1188
00:59:11,600 --> 00:59:14,040
Speaker 1: out of those woods. The seat is no longer hot

1189
00:59:14,120 --> 00:59:17,160
Speaker 1: in my opinion. But I do think this is still

1190
00:59:17,200 --> 00:59:19,479
Speaker 1: going to be regarded as a disappointment if you don't

1191
00:59:19,520 --> 00:59:22,920
Speaker 1: finish it, because we've seen what Voltron looks like when

1192
00:59:22,960 --> 00:59:23,840
Speaker 1: it's fully formed.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Two quick thoughts and we'll get to the saga.

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Speaker 6: One.

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Speaker 2: First of all, I agree, and I was guessed on

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Speaker 2: Steve Steve Hartman and Manzi Bolanio show, and I said,

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Speaker 2: this today is like all these people that are coming

1198
00:59:33,560 --> 00:59:36,400
Speaker 2: out of the woodwork now like, oh, if you criticize

1199
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Speaker 2: Ryan Day, how are you feeling right now? It's like, well, no,

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Speaker 2: we feel the exact same way. And we were critical

1201
00:59:43,760 --> 00:59:46,160
Speaker 2: because we knew Ohio State was capable of what they've

1202
00:59:46,160 --> 00:59:47,680
Speaker 2: done the last three games well, and.

1203
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Speaker 1: Also we've gotten more information, like when we criticize them,

1204
00:59:52,080 --> 00:59:55,440
Speaker 1: When we criticized Ryan Day, were we right at that time?

1205
00:59:55,800 --> 00:59:58,920
Speaker 1: The answers yes, yeah, the answers, yes we were. And

1206
00:59:58,960 --> 01:00:00,960
Speaker 1: now what are we doing well now that we have

1207
01:00:01,040 --> 01:00:03,320
Speaker 1: more information? What is the first thing we have just

1208
01:00:03,360 --> 01:00:05,880
Speaker 1: said about Ryan Day? The whole hot seat thing is over.

1209
01:00:06,480 --> 01:00:08,840
Speaker 1: If he wants to stay at Ohio State, everything's going

1210
01:00:08,920 --> 01:00:11,920
Speaker 1: to be fine. And I don't think that winning or

1211
01:00:11,920 --> 01:00:14,280
Speaker 1: losing this game is going to be a death now

1212
01:00:14,320 --> 01:00:16,160
Speaker 1: for him anymore. And I think he's had an excellent

1213
01:00:16,200 --> 01:00:20,480
Speaker 1: postseason and he's done everything right. That's new information, and

1214
01:00:20,840 --> 01:00:23,440
Speaker 1: don't I think that's exactly what you're supposed to do,

1215
01:00:23,560 --> 01:00:27,840
Speaker 1: is evolve your position based on facts and not letting

1216
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Speaker 1: your emotions are old takes or ego get in the way.

1217
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Speaker 3: Bingo.

1218
01:00:31,560 --> 01:00:35,520
Speaker 2: My other quick thought after watching Ohio State the last

1219
01:00:35,520 --> 01:00:38,560
Speaker 2: three weeks, I think we can officially retire that old

1220
01:00:38,800 --> 01:00:40,400
Speaker 2: at what is it an axiom?

1221
01:00:40,480 --> 01:00:41,200
Speaker 3: Is that the right word?

1222
01:00:41,400 --> 01:00:44,480
Speaker 2: The old axiom of I'd rather beat my rival and

1223
01:00:44,520 --> 01:00:47,440
Speaker 2: lose every other game than lose to my rival it's

1224
01:00:47,480 --> 01:00:50,440
Speaker 2: like you're gonna lose to Michigan and probably win a Natty.

1225
01:00:50,680 --> 01:00:53,800
Speaker 2: I don't think anyone. I think people still care about Michigan.

1226
01:00:54,240 --> 01:00:56,560
Speaker 2: But the idea that you would have somehow been happier

1227
01:00:56,600 --> 01:00:58,560
Speaker 2: by beating Michigan and losing every other game on.

1228
01:00:58,560 --> 01:01:01,160
Speaker 3: The schedule, yeah, I think we can go ahead in and I'll.

1229
01:01:00,960 --> 01:01:03,520
Speaker 1: Ask you one hypothetical question before you get to the Sager.

1230
01:01:03,720 --> 01:01:07,920
Speaker 1: Sure you'll want to address this too, but if Ohio

1231
01:01:07,960 --> 01:01:12,040
Speaker 1: State beats Michigan, are they in this championship?

1232
01:01:12,120 --> 01:01:15,880
Speaker 3: Oh that's such a good question. I'll tell you what.

1233
01:01:16,800 --> 01:01:19,120
Speaker 2: Let's toss it over the news desk, bring in to Sager.

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01:01:19,200 --> 01:01:20,960
Speaker 2: To Sager, do you have any hot takes on that one,

1235
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Speaker 2: because I I.

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Speaker 6: Wow, that's a great one.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, because I mean, they could not lay could not

1238
01:01:26,200 --> 01:01:28,880
Speaker 5: have laid a larger egg than they did on that

1239
01:01:28,960 --> 01:01:32,120
Speaker 5: day against their arrival, and then now this they look

1240
01:01:32,240 --> 01:01:34,720
Speaker 5: like the team that we kind of thought they might be.

1241
01:01:35,160 --> 01:01:36,760
Speaker 6: I I all, in the same season.

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01:01:37,400 --> 01:01:42,439
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think so. To j Mart's question, I think

1243
01:01:42,480 --> 01:01:45,520
Speaker 2: in theory, Ohio State could be here. I'm not sold

1244
01:01:45,520 --> 01:01:47,200
Speaker 2: that they look the way that they do. I think

1245
01:01:47,240 --> 01:01:49,040
Speaker 2: when you lose a game like that, a twenty one

1246
01:01:49,040 --> 01:01:51,640
Speaker 2: point favorite at home when we all know Michigan can't

1247
01:01:51,640 --> 01:01:55,480
Speaker 2: throw the football. I think it makes you reevaluate everything

1248
01:01:55,520 --> 01:01:57,880
Speaker 2: that you're doing. And by the way, I think a

1249
01:01:57,880 --> 01:01:59,440
Speaker 2: lot of it you have to reevaluate because there's a

1250
01:01:59,440 --> 01:02:01,760
Speaker 2: lot of public pressure that wasn't maybe there when you're

1251
01:02:01,760 --> 01:02:06,120
Speaker 2: winning ugly against other teams. And so long story short is,

1252
01:02:06,400 --> 01:02:08,800
Speaker 2: they might be here, but I don't think we see

1253
01:02:08,840 --> 01:02:12,280
Speaker 2: this version of Ohio State if they don't beat Michigan.

1254
01:02:12,000 --> 01:02:14,400
Speaker 5: And you can win in advance when you're start receiver

1255
01:02:14,600 --> 01:02:17,880
Speaker 5: essentially isn't thrown to I mean, I mean invisible.

1256
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Speaker 1: That's insane.

1257
01:02:18,800 --> 01:02:21,760
Speaker 2: At least Texas like did a good job covering a Michigan.

1258
01:02:21,800 --> 01:02:23,720
Speaker 2: They just tried to run the ball up the middle

1259
01:02:23,880 --> 01:02:28,240
Speaker 2: thirty times with no we do in the NFL playoffs

1260
01:02:28,320 --> 01:02:30,600
Speaker 2: have one thing to pass along. As the Steelers are out,

1261
01:02:30,880 --> 01:02:34,000
Speaker 2: there was a question to Steelers wide receiver George Pickens,

1262
01:02:34,640 --> 01:02:37,640
Speaker 2: and he says, yes, I have seen signs of growth

1263
01:02:37,680 --> 01:02:39,480
Speaker 2: from this offense in Pittsburgh.

1264
01:02:39,480 --> 01:02:42,960
Speaker 1: This way more grow for sure. Does that make you optimistic?

1265
01:02:43,000 --> 01:02:44,200
Speaker 6: Does that make you optimistic?

1266
01:02:44,800 --> 01:02:44,960
Speaker 4: Uh?

1267
01:02:45,280 --> 01:02:45,360
Speaker 1: No?

1268
01:02:46,240 --> 01:02:48,760
Speaker 6: Okay, Well there's the Pittsburgh Dealers in a nuts chill.

1269
01:02:49,240 --> 01:02:52,280
Speaker 6: They lose five in a row to end this season.

1270
01:02:52,400 --> 01:02:55,920
Speaker 5: They're done at ten and eight overall at Baltimore twenty

1271
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Speaker 5: eight fourteen.

1272
01:02:57,320 --> 01:02:58,600
Speaker 6: Baltimore is the final.

1273
01:02:58,680 --> 01:03:00,840
Speaker 5: There was one point in the clobe seconds of the

1274
01:03:00,880 --> 01:03:04,760
Speaker 5: first half tonight where Lamar Jackson scrambled around and found

1275
01:03:04,880 --> 01:03:08,200
Speaker 5: Justice Hill for a five yard TD. He scrambled for

1276
01:03:08,280 --> 01:03:12,320
Speaker 5: almost six and a half seconds before a touchdown pass,

1277
01:03:13,040 --> 01:03:16,800
Speaker 5: third time this season he has done that, making the

1278
01:03:16,880 --> 01:03:19,880
Speaker 5: play over six seconds and then a touchdown.

1279
01:03:20,360 --> 01:03:23,640
Speaker 6: Needless to say most in the NFL. There so the.

1280
01:03:23,640 --> 01:03:26,800
Speaker 5: Rushing yards he had fifteen carries eighty one yards in

1281
01:03:26,800 --> 01:03:29,720
Speaker 5: addition to a couple of TD passes for Jackson, So

1282
01:03:29,840 --> 01:03:32,920
Speaker 5: for the moment, he is number one all time in

1283
01:03:33,040 --> 01:03:36,600
Speaker 5: rushing yards by a quarterback in postseason play. He's over

1284
01:03:36,640 --> 01:03:40,400
Speaker 5: six hundred career rushing yards in playoff games. Steve Young

1285
01:03:40,560 --> 01:03:44,080
Speaker 5: just under six hundred yards. Now, if Josh Allen gets

1286
01:03:44,120 --> 01:03:46,440
Speaker 5: about forty yards on the ground, he'll be the new

1287
01:03:46,520 --> 01:03:50,320
Speaker 5: number one. Bill's hosting the Broncos tomorrow and then two

1288
01:03:50,360 --> 01:03:52,680
Speaker 5: other games and then the Monday night Rams game in

1289
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Speaker 5: Arizona against the Vikings. But the Steelers didn't just lose

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Speaker 5: another playoff game. They have now trailed by double digits

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01:04:00,640 --> 01:04:04,680
Speaker 5: at halftime in five straight playoff games, twenty eight to

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Speaker 5: fourteen Ravens the final Derrick Henry one hundred eighty six

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01:04:08,040 --> 01:04:11,720
Speaker 5: yards rushing and two scores. Houston trailed the Chargers late

1294
01:04:11,760 --> 01:04:14,680
Speaker 5: first half six nothing and then beat him thirty two

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01:04:14,720 --> 01:04:17,960
Speaker 5: to twelve. Nicocollins seven receptions, one hundred and twenty two

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01:04:18,080 --> 01:04:21,880
Speaker 5: yards and a TD. The Falcons fired defensive coordinator Jimmy

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01:04:21,960 --> 01:04:24,440
Speaker 5: Lake in the NBA late game. It was a win

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01:04:24,560 --> 01:04:27,600
Speaker 5: for the Miami Heat at Portland one nineteen ninety eight,

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01:04:27,720 --> 01:04:30,960
Speaker 5: Memphis edge Minnesota one twenty seven to one twenty five,

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01:04:31,360 --> 01:04:33,880
Speaker 5: and in college hoops, number one Tennessee was a winner

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01:04:33,920 --> 01:04:36,120
Speaker 5: at Texas seventy four to seventy.

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Speaker 2: Back to you, thank you very much, Steve de Sager.

1303
01:04:38,360 --> 01:04:41,120
Speaker 2: The SAGA will rejoin us in just a few minutes

1304
01:04:41,120 --> 01:04:45,760
Speaker 2: with his extended update at about twelve forty five Eastern time,

1305
01:04:46,040 --> 01:04:48,680
Speaker 2: Fox Sports Radio or towards Jason Martin, broadcasting live from

1306
01:04:48,680 --> 01:04:53,480
Speaker 2: the Tireck dot Com studios. Jaymart disappointing thing about hosting

1307
01:04:53,600 --> 01:04:57,280
Speaker 2: for only three hours here on weekend when we're privileged

1308
01:04:57,320 --> 01:04:59,400
Speaker 2: to do what we do. There's only so much time

1309
01:04:59,400 --> 01:05:00,320
Speaker 2: to talk about every thing.

1310
01:05:01,120 --> 01:05:01,720
Speaker 1: And I don't know that.

1311
01:05:01,640 --> 01:05:03,680
Speaker 2: We're going to get to all of the train wreck

1312
01:05:04,400 --> 01:05:07,040
Speaker 2: coaching searches that are going on right now, the Jets,

1313
01:05:07,760 --> 01:05:10,480
Speaker 2: the Bears. But I will say this, we got an

1314
01:05:10,480 --> 01:05:13,920
Speaker 2: interesting twist, but maybe not ultimately that's surprising of a

1315
01:05:13,960 --> 01:05:16,560
Speaker 2: twist with the Los Angeles or the Las Vegas, excuse me,

1316
01:05:16,600 --> 01:05:20,520
Speaker 2: the Las Vegas Raiders. On Saturday, it was reported by

1317
01:05:20,520 --> 01:05:25,600
Speaker 2: the Las Vegas Review Journal that the Las Vegas Raiders

1318
01:05:25,800 --> 01:05:28,360
Speaker 2: and Dion Sanders. I guess the way it has been

1319
01:05:28,440 --> 01:05:32,640
Speaker 2: framed is that quote Dion Sanders has very strong interest

1320
01:05:32,840 --> 01:05:36,720
Speaker 2: end quote in the Raiders, and the tie there, obviously

1321
01:05:36,760 --> 01:05:39,760
Speaker 2: being is that one, the Raiders need a quarterback. Two

1322
01:05:39,840 --> 01:05:42,400
Speaker 2: Shador Sanders has been linked to the Raiders because Tom

1323
01:05:42,440 --> 01:05:44,480
Speaker 2: Brady has served as a mentor Tom Brady as an

1324
01:05:44,560 --> 01:05:47,520
Speaker 2: owner of the Raiders. I'll tell you this and I'll

1325
01:05:47,520 --> 01:05:51,040
Speaker 2: toss it over to you. I found a lot of

1326
01:05:51,080 --> 01:05:56,760
Speaker 2: the Dion discourse kind of silly. You know, six eight

1327
01:05:56,800 --> 01:05:59,840
Speaker 2: weeks ago, Oh the Cowboys could they get Shador? And

1328
01:06:00,360 --> 01:06:02,840
Speaker 2: it's like, well, what about Dak Prescott and the Cowboys

1329
01:06:02,880 --> 01:06:05,000
Speaker 2: aren't going to be into the top. Whatever the point

1330
01:06:05,040 --> 01:06:08,000
Speaker 2: I'm trying to make, this is one that passes the

1331
01:06:08,040 --> 01:06:11,120
Speaker 2: smell test. To me, the Raiders have long been It

1332
01:06:11,280 --> 01:06:15,600
Speaker 2: feels like if you were giving an unofficial poll in

1333
01:06:15,640 --> 01:06:18,520
Speaker 2: the Sanders camp, it feels as though the Raiders would

1334
01:06:18,560 --> 01:06:21,760
Speaker 2: have been the team that they wanted all along. Now

1335
01:06:21,800 --> 01:06:25,080
Speaker 2: they have a head coaching opportunity. Obviously there's a little

1336
01:06:25,080 --> 01:06:27,200
Speaker 2: bit of nuance here because the Raiders don't pick until

1337
01:06:27,280 --> 01:06:31,960
Speaker 2: number or what seven, I believe six maybe, But the

1338
01:06:32,040 --> 01:06:35,480
Speaker 2: point being is that there's been a lot of Dion discourse.

1339
01:06:35,880 --> 01:06:38,880
Speaker 2: This is one that I do buy. And there's probably

1340
01:06:38,960 --> 01:06:40,120
Speaker 2: you know, we could even do a little bit of

1341
01:06:40,160 --> 01:06:42,400
Speaker 2: it an hour three, but there's probably a conversation about

1342
01:06:42,680 --> 01:06:46,320
Speaker 2: should Shadoor want Dion as his college as his NFL

1343
01:06:46,360 --> 01:06:49,480
Speaker 2: head coach? But this is a report that and it's

1344
01:06:49,480 --> 01:06:52,680
Speaker 2: not to criticize the reporter, but I I just believe

1345
01:06:52,760 --> 01:06:55,280
Speaker 2: that this story makes sense to me.

1346
01:06:55,320 --> 01:06:56,520
Speaker 3: I guess it is the best way to put it.

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01:06:58,160 --> 01:07:03,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean the Brady tie in here would add

1348
01:07:03,760 --> 01:07:06,240
Speaker 1: more credence a little bit. Also if Brady actually was

1349
01:07:06,280 --> 01:07:09,400
Speaker 1: interested in Dion. And but you can understand why Dion

1350
01:07:09,440 --> 01:07:11,600
Speaker 1: would be interested in Brady as well, And of course

1351
01:07:11,680 --> 01:07:14,640
Speaker 1: Vegas is a showman's town and Dion is a showman's coach.

1352
01:07:15,240 --> 01:07:17,960
Speaker 1: But and I said this to you when we were

1353
01:07:17,960 --> 01:07:21,760
Speaker 1: talking about this before the show, that I feel like,

1354
01:07:22,200 --> 01:07:24,600
Speaker 1: if you wanted Dion and you were the Raiders, all

1355
01:07:24,600 --> 01:07:26,760
Speaker 1: you pretty much have to say is we'll do whatever

1356
01:07:26,800 --> 01:07:29,600
Speaker 1: we have to do to make sure your son comes here,

1357
01:07:29,680 --> 01:07:32,040
Speaker 1: because it seems like that's what he wants. He wants

1358
01:07:32,040 --> 01:07:37,840
Speaker 1: to coach his sons in the NFL. I have definite

1359
01:07:38,120 --> 01:07:41,400
Speaker 1: qualms with that, for both Shador and for Dion. It's like,

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01:07:41,480 --> 01:07:44,320
Speaker 1: you guys need to do this on your own. But

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Speaker 1: that notwithstanding, I agree, Like I haven't really bought into

1362
01:07:48,360 --> 01:07:50,720
Speaker 1: any of this either. None of it makes sense to me.

1363
01:07:51,280 --> 01:07:54,600
Speaker 1: But the Raiders side of it kind of does because

1364
01:07:54,640 --> 01:07:57,000
Speaker 1: they're in this spot where you don't have a quarterback.

1365
01:07:57,560 --> 01:07:59,480
Speaker 1: You've got kind of a lot of things in flux,

1366
01:07:59,560 --> 01:08:01,440
Speaker 1: but you do have the big name of Tom Brady,

1367
01:08:01,520 --> 01:08:03,880
Speaker 1: and you do have the idea that it's Vegas in

1368
01:08:03,920 --> 01:08:06,880
Speaker 1: a pretty new stadium and all of that kind of stuff,

1369
01:08:07,120 --> 01:08:09,320
Speaker 1: And that's exactly what you would want is somebody to

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01:08:09,360 --> 01:08:12,080
Speaker 1: help sell tickets for you, and he would be the

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01:08:12,160 --> 01:08:14,439
Speaker 1: kind of guy that could do that, and his son

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01:08:14,640 --> 01:08:17,920
Speaker 1: is not going to be some surefire success story in

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01:08:17,960 --> 01:08:20,280
Speaker 1: the NFL just based on the way that he plays.

1374
01:08:20,720 --> 01:08:22,559
Speaker 1: It's going to have to be the right situation. And

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01:08:22,600 --> 01:08:25,880
Speaker 1: of course, no one knows that situation better than his father,

1376
01:08:25,960 --> 01:08:28,320
Speaker 1: who just coached him to a successful college career.

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01:08:29,479 --> 01:08:29,719
Speaker 3: Yeah.

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01:08:30,040 --> 01:08:33,360
Speaker 2: I don't know what else there really is to add one. Again,

1379
01:08:33,640 --> 01:08:37,360
Speaker 2: it's a story that adds up to me. I listen,

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01:08:37,800 --> 01:08:40,120
Speaker 2: I'll defend Dion a little bit. I don't think that

1381
01:08:40,240 --> 01:08:44,240
Speaker 2: he is looking to follow his son necessarily to the pros.

1382
01:08:44,320 --> 01:08:47,000
Speaker 2: I just think it's listen, it's a place that he'd

1383
01:08:47,040 --> 01:08:49,559
Speaker 2: probably want to live, It's a place he'd probably want

1384
01:08:49,560 --> 01:08:51,880
Speaker 2: to coach. It's kind of a brand that kind of

1385
01:08:51,960 --> 01:08:54,800
Speaker 2: vibes with kind of his energy and kind of you know,

1386
01:08:54,960 --> 01:08:57,760
Speaker 2: rebel brand. Dion coach primes kind of a little bit

1387
01:08:57,800 --> 01:09:02,160
Speaker 2: of a rebel himself. So and again the Brady tie

1388
01:09:03,040 --> 01:09:08,439
Speaker 2: really quickly. Like I mean, obviously there's the you know Dion.

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Speaker 2: We'll see what kind of coach he is wherever he

1390
01:09:10,600 --> 01:09:13,640
Speaker 2: is next year without Shador. But like I think, to me,

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01:09:13,760 --> 01:09:16,960
Speaker 2: the more interesting thing I could see why Dion would

1392
01:09:16,960 --> 01:09:20,240
Speaker 2: be obviously interested. He's had success with Shador as his quarterback.

1393
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Speaker 2: It's the NFL. What is your take on how Shador

1394
01:09:25,000 --> 01:09:27,040
Speaker 2: We can't speak for how he does feel, but how

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01:09:27,080 --> 01:09:31,240
Speaker 2: he should feel about the idea of this is your

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01:09:31,320 --> 01:09:33,320
Speaker 2: dad's obviously the only guy that you've ever that's ever

1397
01:09:33,400 --> 01:09:35,519
Speaker 2: coached you. But at the same time, it's like, I'm

1398
01:09:35,520 --> 01:09:37,160
Speaker 2: sure at some point he does want to kind of

1399
01:09:37,200 --> 01:09:38,880
Speaker 2: go out and make a name for himself. Well, like,

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01:09:39,800 --> 01:09:42,360
Speaker 2: more so from the Shador perspective, what do you think

1401
01:09:43,200 --> 01:09:46,000
Speaker 2: Shador should think or maybe is thinking at this time.

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01:09:46,560 --> 01:09:49,960
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know what he is thinking. I'm

1403
01:09:50,000 --> 01:09:52,840
Speaker 1: sure he loves his dad and so that needs to

1404
01:09:52,880 --> 01:09:55,680
Speaker 1: be factored in. We don't need to speak for what

1405
01:09:55,760 --> 01:09:59,240
Speaker 1: he is actually thinking, but what I would what I

1406
01:09:59,320 --> 01:10:03,080
Speaker 1: would be thinking in this situation is I need to

1407
01:10:03,120 --> 01:10:06,559
Speaker 1: get away from dad, like not get away from him

1408
01:10:06,560 --> 01:10:09,599
Speaker 1: in life, but I need to go carve my own niche.

1409
01:10:10,040 --> 01:10:12,439
Speaker 1: I need to go do this my own way. I'm

1410
01:10:12,520 --> 01:10:14,360
Speaker 1: arch Manning. I need to go to Texas, not Ole,

1411
01:10:14,439 --> 01:10:18,240
Speaker 1: miss I need to go to Texas, not Tennessee. Need

1412
01:10:18,720 --> 01:10:22,160
Speaker 1: I need to do this. I need to have my

1413
01:10:22,320 --> 01:10:25,559
Speaker 1: own career and some of that needs to be apart

1414
01:10:25,600 --> 01:10:29,000
Speaker 1: from my dad, I'm good enough. Like this is not

1415
01:10:29,200 --> 01:10:34,960
Speaker 1: a brawny situation, that's the difference. This is someone that

1416
01:10:35,080 --> 01:10:38,240
Speaker 1: can do it without Dion being there. This is someone

1417
01:10:38,280 --> 01:10:40,840
Speaker 1: that has shown a ton of talent and if he

1418
01:10:40,920 --> 01:10:43,439
Speaker 1: is in the right situation, he can flourish. And he

1419
01:10:43,560 --> 01:10:46,240
Speaker 1: knows that. And yeah, he look, he's pretty high on

1420
01:10:46,320 --> 01:10:48,360
Speaker 1: himself too, Like he's got a pretty high opinion of

1421
01:10:48,439 --> 01:10:51,160
Speaker 1: himself and he should, like he's he's done a lot

1422
01:10:51,280 --> 01:10:54,360
Speaker 1: in his college career. I don't think him being tethered

1423
01:10:54,400 --> 01:10:57,960
Speaker 1: to his dad throughout his career is something that he

1424
01:10:58,040 --> 01:11:01,200
Speaker 1: should want. I think it's rake that his dad cares

1425
01:11:01,240 --> 01:11:03,599
Speaker 1: and loves him that way. I do like And you know,

1426
01:11:03,640 --> 01:11:06,120
Speaker 1: he even said, Dion said the only interest that he

1427
01:11:06,160 --> 01:11:07,800
Speaker 1: would have in the NFL is if he could coach

1428
01:11:07,840 --> 01:11:10,880
Speaker 1: his sons, and he said that plural, And I love that,

1429
01:11:11,160 --> 01:11:13,679
Speaker 1: you know. I'm glad that he cares that much about

1430
01:11:13,680 --> 01:11:16,120
Speaker 1: his family and wants to be around them and all

1431
01:11:16,160 --> 01:11:20,479
Speaker 1: that kind of stuff. I just think if it were me,

1432
01:11:20,880 --> 01:11:23,920
Speaker 1: I would want to play anywhere other than for my dad,

1433
01:11:24,200 --> 01:11:26,439
Speaker 1: just because I don't want that to become a narrative

1434
01:11:26,880 --> 01:11:30,680
Speaker 1: surrounding me. Or him just our family, like we can

1435
01:11:30,720 --> 01:11:33,920
Speaker 1: go do this and succeed, and we don't have to

1436
01:11:33,960 --> 01:11:36,439
Speaker 1: do it underneath the same roof all the time.

1437
01:11:36,720 --> 01:11:38,080
Speaker 2: I'll be quick because we got to get back to

1438
01:11:38,120 --> 01:11:40,280
Speaker 2: the Sager, but I'll just say this is I also

1439
01:11:40,280 --> 01:11:45,000
Speaker 2: think there's a difference between coming from Jackson State to Colorado,

1440
01:11:45,560 --> 01:11:49,479
Speaker 2: the worst program power five football, and basically being like,

1441
01:11:49,880 --> 01:11:52,400
Speaker 2: you know, if we remember that Dion opening press conference

1442
01:11:52,439 --> 01:11:55,240
Speaker 2: in Colorado is like I'm your coach and this is

1443
01:11:55,479 --> 01:11:57,840
Speaker 2: this is my son should or he's your quarterback. There's

1444
01:11:57,880 --> 01:12:00,880
Speaker 2: a difference between that and a locker full of full

1445
01:12:00,920 --> 01:12:02,040
Speaker 2: of grown men, you know.

1446
01:12:02,200 --> 01:12:04,560
Speaker 3: And I also think that sets.

1447
01:12:04,360 --> 01:12:09,479
Speaker 2: Up the the nuance of what if Shador struggles? You know,

1448
01:12:09,479 --> 01:12:11,559
Speaker 2: because people's livelihoods are on the line now, and I

1449
01:12:11,560 --> 01:12:14,040
Speaker 2: know it's an NIO college football world, but it's like,

1450
01:12:14,520 --> 01:12:19,120
Speaker 2: it's not the same as being in a locker room

1451
01:12:19,160 --> 01:12:22,840
Speaker 2: with in the NFL with grown men with families with livelihoods.

1452
01:12:22,840 --> 01:12:24,719
Speaker 3: And it's not to say that Shador won't have.

1453
01:12:24,640 --> 01:12:28,360
Speaker 2: Success, it's just to say that it puts Dion also

1454
01:12:28,400 --> 01:12:30,840
Speaker 2: in a tough position where what if his son isn't

1455
01:12:30,880 --> 01:12:31,360
Speaker 2: playing well?

1456
01:12:31,400 --> 01:12:32,559
Speaker 3: What if this? What if that?

1457
01:12:32,640 --> 01:12:37,120
Speaker 2: What if the perception is that Shador is only playing

1458
01:12:37,200 --> 01:12:39,360
Speaker 2: because of whatever, because of his dad.

1459
01:12:39,479 --> 01:12:43,720
Speaker 3: So, you know, were many steps away from that.

1460
01:12:43,960 --> 01:12:45,280
Speaker 2: I don't know if you have anything, because I want

1461
01:12:45,280 --> 01:12:47,320
Speaker 2: to get back to Sega, if you got thirty seconds

1462
01:12:47,360 --> 01:12:49,280
Speaker 2: or anything on that. But I think that's part of

1463
01:12:49,280 --> 01:12:51,360
Speaker 2: it too, is it's one thing to do it in college.

1464
01:12:51,360 --> 01:12:52,960
Speaker 2: It's certainly one thing to do it in high school.

1465
01:12:53,000 --> 01:12:55,800
Speaker 2: It's another thing when you got grown men with mortgages

1466
01:12:55,840 --> 01:12:57,040
Speaker 2: and families and things like that.

1467
01:12:57,240 --> 01:12:58,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I think that's right. I mean, I

1468
01:12:58,760 --> 01:13:00,920
Speaker 1: think that you have What you did at Colorado is

1469
01:13:00,920 --> 01:13:03,160
Speaker 1: a cool story and a good story, and it's going

1470
01:13:03,200 --> 01:13:04,720
Speaker 1: to be a good memory and it's going to be

1471
01:13:04,800 --> 01:13:08,400
Speaker 1: remembered as such, like it's it's important to Colorado and

1472
01:13:08,439 --> 01:13:11,400
Speaker 1: it's important to your family, and you've already done this. Now,

1473
01:13:11,479 --> 01:13:13,920
Speaker 1: I think you gotta let you got the You gotta

1474
01:13:13,960 --> 01:13:17,080
Speaker 1: go let the young fellow live on his own and

1475
01:13:17,160 --> 01:13:19,280
Speaker 1: go do your thing, Go be a great coach at

1476
01:13:19,280 --> 01:13:21,200
Speaker 1: Colorado or wherever it else is that you want to

1477
01:13:21,240 --> 01:13:24,400
Speaker 1: do it. But I do think that that split would

1478
01:13:24,439 --> 01:13:27,599
Speaker 1: be best for both of them, especially in public perception.

1479
01:13:28,040 --> 01:13:30,600
Speaker 3: Again, the report out earlier on Saturday.

1480
01:13:30,640 --> 01:13:33,400
Speaker 2: That quote there is interest from Dion Sanders in the

1481
01:13:33,520 --> 01:13:35,439
Speaker 2: Las Vegas Raiders job, that from the Las.

1482
01:13:35,360 --> 01:13:36,479
Speaker 3: Vegas Review Journal.

1483
01:13:36,880 --> 01:13:39,519
Speaker 2: Fox Sports Radio er Tords Jason Martin will come back

1484
01:13:39,720 --> 01:13:42,519
Speaker 2: to Sager with his extended update. We give it to

1485
01:13:42,520 --> 01:13:45,360
Speaker 2: you every week around nine to forty five Pacific twelve

1486
01:13:45,439 --> 01:13:46,480
Speaker 2: forty five Eastern.

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01:13:46,680 --> 01:13:50,839
Speaker 3: That's next. Fox Sports Radio. Welcome back, everybody.

1488
01:13:51,040 --> 01:13:54,439
Speaker 2: Fox Sports Radio er Tords Jason Martin broadcasting live from

1489
01:13:54,520 --> 01:13:58,040
Speaker 2: Thetireck dot Com studios as we do every week around

1490
01:13:58,080 --> 01:14:01,600
Speaker 2: twelve forty five Eastern time. Let's toss it over the

1491
01:14:01,640 --> 01:14:04,280
Speaker 2: news desk Steve de Sager, what is trending?

1492
01:14:04,520 --> 01:14:06,479
Speaker 5: Well, we got football to get to, but I got

1493
01:14:06,520 --> 01:14:08,880
Speaker 5: to mention as far as the Rose Bowl and others,

1494
01:14:08,880 --> 01:14:11,439
Speaker 5: there is that large fire in West LA. There's also

1495
01:14:11,479 --> 01:14:14,080
Speaker 5: been a bad fire just above Pasadena in the city

1496
01:14:14,080 --> 01:14:16,639
Speaker 5: of Altadena, which has a small population by the way,

1497
01:14:16,720 --> 01:14:19,600
Speaker 5: less than fifty thousand people in its city limits. But

1498
01:14:19,640 --> 01:14:22,400
Speaker 5: the Rose Bowl grounds are being used for or were

1499
01:14:22,560 --> 01:14:25,240
Speaker 5: for donations of food and clothing that was then moved

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Speaker 5: elsewhere because the Rose Bowl lots are now being used

1501
01:14:28,320 --> 01:14:31,240
Speaker 5: as a fire department staging area and no horse racing

1502
01:14:31,280 --> 01:14:34,400
Speaker 5: at Santa Anita this weekend. East of Pasadena. Those grounds

1503
01:14:34,400 --> 01:14:37,840
Speaker 5: are being used by organizations, including a power company. You

1504
01:14:37,880 --> 01:14:40,080
Speaker 5: know how every New Year's Day we see the sun

1505
01:14:40,160 --> 01:14:42,559
Speaker 5: setting on the hills behind the Rose Bowl Stadium. It's

1506
01:14:42,600 --> 01:14:45,200
Speaker 5: one of the great views in sports. Those are the

1507
01:14:45,360 --> 01:14:48,920
Speaker 5: general mountains we're talking about. With the Altadena fire, over

1508
01:14:48,960 --> 01:14:50,479
Speaker 5: fourteen thousand acres burned.

1509
01:14:50,520 --> 01:14:51,040
Speaker 6: I looked it up.

1510
01:14:51,080 --> 01:14:54,360
Speaker 5: That would be the equivalent of half of San Francisco's

1511
01:14:54,439 --> 01:14:59,000
Speaker 5: land area torched. And that's just what's burned near Pasadena.

1512
01:14:59,160 --> 01:15:01,439
Speaker 5: In addition to Palace Sades fire and West La is

1513
01:15:01,479 --> 01:15:05,960
Speaker 5: another twenty four thousand acres burned, including Arnie spaniards alma mater,

1514
01:15:06,040 --> 01:15:08,640
Speaker 5: Palisades High School. He has often talked about how he

1515
01:15:08,720 --> 01:15:11,639
Speaker 5: went there, as did Steve Kerr, Jeanie Buss, and many others.

1516
01:15:12,000 --> 01:15:16,519
Speaker 5: That school located off Sunset Boulevard, very near the Pacific Ocean,

1517
01:15:16,560 --> 01:15:19,000
Speaker 5: so on the west side of the four or five Freeway,

1518
01:15:19,320 --> 01:15:21,839
Speaker 5: a few miles west of Ucla. That high school's football

1519
01:15:21,880 --> 01:15:24,599
Speaker 5: field and baseball field apparently are still there, along with

1520
01:15:24,640 --> 01:15:27,599
Speaker 5: some buildings. Even closer to the high school is Rivier

1521
01:15:27,720 --> 01:15:30,520
Speaker 5: Country Club, where the PGA holds a tournament every February,

1522
01:15:30,560 --> 01:15:33,120
Speaker 5: so it's due to be there next month. As far

1523
01:15:33,160 --> 01:15:36,719
Speaker 5: as total buildings lost, including homes in LA, at least

1524
01:15:36,760 --> 01:15:40,160
Speaker 5: five thousand structures have been destroyed by fire so far

1525
01:15:40,240 --> 01:15:42,479
Speaker 5: this week, with a minimum of sixteen deaths.

1526
01:15:42,479 --> 01:15:44,720
Speaker 6: Also, and it's not over, so had to mention that

1527
01:15:45,080 --> 01:15:45,840
Speaker 6: to the football.

1528
01:15:46,200 --> 01:15:49,040
Speaker 5: The Ravens could get a home playoff game again next

1529
01:15:49,040 --> 01:15:52,679
Speaker 5: weekend after beating Pittsburgh tonight, but they would need Denver

1530
01:15:52,760 --> 01:15:55,960
Speaker 5: to pull off the upset tomorrow at Buffalo. If not,

1531
01:15:56,960 --> 01:15:59,839
Speaker 5: if all the seting holds with the top four advance,

1532
01:16:00,720 --> 01:16:03,880
Speaker 5: the AFC would have the three seed Baltimore at two

1533
01:16:03,960 --> 01:16:07,799
Speaker 5: seed Buffalo next weekend, it would be Lamar Jackson against

1534
01:16:07,920 --> 01:16:11,920
Speaker 5: Josh Allen. And just yesterday the Ravens quarterback Jackson was

1535
01:16:12,000 --> 01:16:15,040
Speaker 5: voted All Pro ahead of Josh Allen. It was thirty

1536
01:16:15,120 --> 01:16:18,280
Speaker 5: votes to eighteen. Derrick Henry one of the stars in

1537
01:16:18,320 --> 01:16:20,759
Speaker 5: the twenty eight to fourteen win over the Steelers tonight.

1538
01:16:21,320 --> 01:16:25,320
Speaker 5: How many rushing yards for Henry tonight after contact one

1539
01:16:25,400 --> 01:16:29,599
Speaker 5: hundred and fifty seven against the Steelers. He also forced

1540
01:16:29,680 --> 01:16:35,000
Speaker 5: twelve mistackles in this game, So how many rushing yards

1541
01:16:35,360 --> 01:16:38,240
Speaker 5: can one guy have in a season When you include

1542
01:16:38,280 --> 01:16:40,559
Speaker 5: the playoff games of that year. Well on the list,

1543
01:16:40,600 --> 01:16:43,760
Speaker 5: Terrell Davis's number one and number two if you go

1544
01:16:43,880 --> 01:16:47,360
Speaker 5: back to number nineteen ninety seven and ninety eight. In

1545
01:16:47,439 --> 01:16:50,680
Speaker 5: each season, including playoffs, he rushed for about twenty four

1546
01:16:50,800 --> 01:16:53,920
Speaker 5: hundred yards. Dereck Henry's at about twenty one hundred yards

1547
01:16:54,000 --> 01:16:58,840
Speaker 5: rushing for this season including tonight. Well, how Pittsburgh has

1548
01:16:58,880 --> 01:17:01,800
Speaker 5: done in the postseason is not just a story about

1549
01:17:01,840 --> 01:17:05,120
Speaker 5: the Steelers. Ap points out that since the Penguins were

1550
01:17:05,160 --> 01:17:09,840
Speaker 5: eliminated from the twenty eighteen playoffs, not a single Pittsburgh

1551
01:17:09,840 --> 01:17:13,640
Speaker 5: pro team has won even a playoff round, certainly not

1552
01:17:13,720 --> 01:17:16,519
Speaker 5: the Steelers. In recent years, the Penguins are zero for

1553
01:17:16,600 --> 01:17:20,840
Speaker 5: four in playoff rounds. The Pirates have not advanced year.

1554
01:17:20,880 --> 01:17:23,599
Speaker 2: The Pirates are kind of one of those professional sports

1555
01:17:23,600 --> 01:17:26,439
Speaker 2: teams you just kind of forget exists. It's like, oh,

1556
01:17:26,920 --> 01:17:31,439
Speaker 2: Calgary Flames, forgot that was a team. Oh, Pittsburgh Pirates.

1557
01:17:31,120 --> 01:17:33,920
Speaker 5: Especially, you know, Pittsburgh being such the football town, and

1558
01:17:33,960 --> 01:17:36,479
Speaker 5: it overlaps in September if the Pirates are out of

1559
01:17:36,479 --> 01:17:39,880
Speaker 5: it before September. But Mike Tomlin has now lost his

1560
01:17:40,040 --> 01:17:44,240
Speaker 5: last six playoff games. The NFL record is seven straight

1561
01:17:44,280 --> 01:17:45,880
Speaker 5: postseason losses.

1562
01:17:45,520 --> 01:17:46,280
Speaker 6: By the Bengals.

1563
01:17:46,280 --> 01:17:49,479
Speaker 5: Marvin Lewis, we had a Houston final score over the

1564
01:17:49,560 --> 01:17:52,559
Speaker 5: Chargers of thirty two to twelve today. Apparently that's yet

1565
01:17:52,560 --> 01:17:55,280
Speaker 5: another score agami, as they call it, a final score

1566
01:17:55,320 --> 01:17:57,960
Speaker 5: that has never been one before in NFL history. There

1567
01:17:58,000 --> 01:18:01,040
Speaker 5: had never been at thirty two to twelve until today.

1568
01:18:01,320 --> 01:18:04,000
Speaker 5: You talked about Justin Herbert early in My goodness, want

1569
01:18:04,000 --> 01:18:04,719
Speaker 5: to he pressured?

1570
01:18:04,760 --> 01:18:07,400
Speaker 6: Today? They wound up losing. Yeah, I know.

1571
01:18:07,439 --> 01:18:09,439
Speaker 5: They were ahead six to nothing late first half. They

1572
01:18:09,439 --> 01:18:13,479
Speaker 5: lost thirty two to twelve. Justin Herbert dropped back to

1573
01:18:13,560 --> 01:18:16,960
Speaker 5: try and pass thirty six times in this game. He

1574
01:18:17,120 --> 01:18:20,840
Speaker 5: was pressured over half the time he dropped back, and

1575
01:18:20,880 --> 01:18:23,880
Speaker 5: when he actually got a pass off under pressure, he

1576
01:18:24,040 --> 01:18:27,599
Speaker 5: was three to fifteen with two interceptions. Add on the

1577
01:18:27,640 --> 01:18:30,639
Speaker 5: four sacks as well so ap points. I remember Jared

1578
01:18:30,680 --> 01:18:33,840
Speaker 5: Goff had the bad game against the Houston defense as well.

1579
01:18:33,840 --> 01:18:34,400
Speaker 6: This season.

1580
01:18:35,200 --> 01:18:40,200
Speaker 5: Goff and Herbert threw a combined nine interceptions just against

1581
01:18:40,240 --> 01:18:43,840
Speaker 5: the Texans defense this year. Those two quarterback threw a

1582
01:18:43,920 --> 01:18:46,920
Speaker 5: thousand passes against everybody else on the season and only

1583
01:18:46,960 --> 01:18:51,320
Speaker 5: ten interceptions total, but nine against the Houston defense in

1584
01:18:51,400 --> 01:18:54,559
Speaker 5: their one game each. We do have a Monday night

1585
01:18:54,600 --> 01:18:57,240
Speaker 5: game with the Rams in Arizona, not La due to

1586
01:18:57,240 --> 01:19:01,160
Speaker 5: the fires. Rams Monday Night against the Vikings and in Arizona,

1587
01:19:01,240 --> 01:19:04,839
Speaker 5: the league says two hundred gallons of RAMS colored paints

1588
01:19:04,960 --> 01:19:08,040
Speaker 5: arrived this morning and they have now painted the field,

1589
01:19:08,080 --> 01:19:10,320
Speaker 5: although the seats are still red. In Arizona at the

1590
01:19:10,320 --> 01:19:13,759
Speaker 5: Cardinals Stadium, they have painted the field with the Rams

1591
01:19:13,840 --> 01:19:16,639
Speaker 5: logo in the middle and the Los Angeles and yellow

1592
01:19:16,720 --> 01:19:19,120
Speaker 5: in the end zones with the blue background home game

1593
01:19:19,800 --> 01:19:22,320
Speaker 5: and there will be thousands of Rams fans there, twenty

1594
01:19:22,360 --> 01:19:23,120
Speaker 5: buses leaving.

1595
01:19:23,280 --> 01:19:24,759
Speaker 3: Wow. Well, we will talk.

1596
01:19:24,840 --> 01:19:29,120
Speaker 2: There's four games in the NFL coming up Sunday and Monday.

1597
01:19:29,160 --> 01:19:31,240
Speaker 2: We're going to talk about those in the next hour,

1598
01:19:31,600 --> 01:19:34,320
Speaker 2: as well as recap to two games we saw on Saturday.

1599
01:19:34,439 --> 01:19:37,240
Speaker 2: Jason Martin, Ertors taking me up till two a m.

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Speaker 2: Eastern Fox Sports.

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Speaker 2: will follow us. We know Bernie's gonna have plenty to

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01:20:19,560 --> 01:20:22,960
Speaker 2: say about a busy Saturday in the NFL and a

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01:20:23,160 --> 01:20:26,679
Speaker 2: busy Sunday ahead. J Mart, We will get to these

1614
01:20:26,800 --> 01:20:29,840
Speaker 2: Sunday and Monday games coming up, but do want to

1615
01:20:29,840 --> 01:20:34,040
Speaker 2: go ahead and recap everything that happened on Saturday's Wildcard

1616
01:20:34,040 --> 01:20:34,759
Speaker 2: weekend games.

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01:20:34,760 --> 01:20:35,599
Speaker 3: We'll start with the.

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01:20:35,520 --> 01:20:39,960
Speaker 2: Early game, probably the more noteworthy game in terms of

1619
01:20:41,200 --> 01:20:46,000
Speaker 2: really a narrative to discuss, because Justin Herbert pee you

1620
01:20:46,520 --> 01:20:47,120
Speaker 2: He's stunk.

1621
01:20:47,160 --> 01:20:48,800
Speaker 3: Now, I'm just kidding. I feel bad saying it, but

1622
01:20:48,840 --> 01:20:49,880
Speaker 3: it is kind of the truth.

1623
01:20:50,479 --> 01:20:55,439
Speaker 2: Justin Herbert in the Los Angeles Chargers game, completes a

1624
01:20:55,600 --> 01:20:59,680
Speaker 2: grand total of fourteen of thirty two passes, one touchdown,

1625
01:20:59,760 --> 01:21:02,920
Speaker 2: four interceptions. The Chargers go on the road to the

1626
01:21:02,960 --> 01:21:07,599
Speaker 2: Houston Texans and lose thirty two to twelve. Honestly, look

1627
01:21:07,640 --> 01:21:10,000
Speaker 2: great win for Houston, who now advances to play the

1628
01:21:10,040 --> 01:21:12,960
Speaker 2: Kansas City Chiefs next week. But the story, of course

1629
01:21:13,120 --> 01:21:15,960
Speaker 2: is Justin Herbert, as I just said, completed less than

1630
01:21:16,000 --> 01:21:20,559
Speaker 2: fifty percent of his passes, one touchdown, four interceptions. And

1631
01:21:20,640 --> 01:21:24,080
Speaker 2: for a guy that we just want to elevate into

1632
01:21:24,120 --> 01:21:28,080
Speaker 2: that upper upper, upper upper tier with the Mahomes and

1633
01:21:28,120 --> 01:21:31,679
Speaker 2: maybe even the Josh Allens and the Lamar Jacksons, Justin

1634
01:21:31,720 --> 01:21:34,320
Speaker 2: Herbert comes up yet again in a big game.

1635
01:21:35,200 --> 01:21:38,160
Speaker 1: Yep. And you know we talked a lot about that

1636
01:21:39,400 --> 01:21:43,760
Speaker 1: in the first hour of the show. I you don't

1637
01:21:43,800 --> 01:21:46,120
Speaker 1: want to hit him too hard, but at the same time,

1638
01:21:46,160 --> 01:21:48,240
Speaker 1: you have to criticize him the way you criticize any

1639
01:21:48,280 --> 01:21:50,920
Speaker 1: other quarterback. And I think that he has gotten a

1640
01:21:51,000 --> 01:21:56,240
Speaker 1: lot of let's just say soft coverage when I'm.

1641
01:21:56,040 --> 01:21:57,679
Speaker 3: Talking about defensive backs here.

1642
01:21:57,920 --> 01:22:02,439
Speaker 1: No, No, he was anointed pretty early, and so that

1643
01:22:02,560 --> 01:22:05,960
Speaker 1: narrative has found its way to stick. And it doesn't

1644
01:22:05,960 --> 01:22:08,240
Speaker 1: really matter what he does. There's always an excuse, and

1645
01:22:08,280 --> 01:22:12,320
Speaker 1: it seems like that excuse is not given to other

1646
01:22:12,400 --> 01:22:16,080
Speaker 1: quarterbacks that have similar struggles. And so far, he's zero

1647
01:22:16,080 --> 01:22:19,200
Speaker 1: to two in five years in the NFL. In the playoffs,

1648
01:22:20,000 --> 01:22:24,000
Speaker 1: he has twice as many interceptions than he has touchdowns.

1649
01:22:24,640 --> 01:22:27,439
Speaker 1: In the playoffs, He's barely fifty percent when it comes

1650
01:22:27,479 --> 01:22:31,599
Speaker 1: to completion percentage in the playoffs. He's had three offensive

1651
01:22:31,600 --> 01:22:34,919
Speaker 1: coordinators in five years. He hasn't had the best situation,

1652
01:22:35,000 --> 01:22:39,040
Speaker 1: he hasn't had the best weapons, but he has certainly

1653
01:22:39,080 --> 01:22:41,200
Speaker 1: not been able to take those weapons and do anything

1654
01:22:41,240 --> 01:22:44,840
Speaker 1: with them. At this point, I think that the comparison

1655
01:22:44,880 --> 01:22:46,639
Speaker 1: I made earlier is the one I'm gonna stick with

1656
01:22:47,120 --> 01:22:49,599
Speaker 1: as of right now. And the way he was talked

1657
01:22:49,640 --> 01:22:54,599
Speaker 1: about by smart analytics people and football people that cover

1658
01:22:54,720 --> 01:22:57,559
Speaker 1: the league day after day after day, hour after hour,

1659
01:22:57,920 --> 01:23:00,320
Speaker 1: sit in training camps and all this stuff. The way

1660
01:23:00,360 --> 01:23:02,760
Speaker 1: that they talked about Matthew Stafford when he was with

1661
01:23:02,800 --> 01:23:05,840
Speaker 1: the Lions is a lot how I feel about how

1662
01:23:06,360 --> 01:23:08,599
Speaker 1: Justin Herbert has talked about now. And look, that's worked

1663
01:23:08,600 --> 01:23:11,519
Speaker 1: out real well for Matthew Stafford when he got to

1664
01:23:11,560 --> 01:23:14,439
Speaker 1: the Rams, when he got into a better situation. You've

1665
01:23:14,479 --> 01:23:17,479
Speaker 1: seen what that can look like. And look, there's no

1666
01:23:17,520 --> 01:23:19,880
Speaker 1: reason to think that Herbert wouldn't be similar. They're both

1667
01:23:19,920 --> 01:23:23,000
Speaker 1: big guys with big arms that throw really pretty balls,

1668
01:23:23,800 --> 01:23:27,680
Speaker 1: that are smart guys, likable guys. Everything. I mean a

1669
01:23:27,680 --> 01:23:31,120
Speaker 1: lot of that kind of stuff. But had he not

1670
01:23:31,200 --> 01:23:33,240
Speaker 1: gotten to the Rams, I still think we'd be looking

1671
01:23:33,280 --> 01:23:36,360
Speaker 1: at Matthew Stafford that had not won anything, because who

1672
01:23:36,400 --> 01:23:38,360
Speaker 1: knows if Dan Campbell or any of that stuff ever

1673
01:23:38,400 --> 01:23:42,000
Speaker 1: even happens. There's been a lot of changes with that organization.

1674
01:23:42,640 --> 01:23:45,160
Speaker 1: The Chargers are still trying to get this right. But

1675
01:23:45,320 --> 01:23:47,639
Speaker 1: he has less weapons now than he had when Brandon

1676
01:23:47,680 --> 01:23:50,439
Speaker 1: Staley was there. And they didn't win, and they lost

1677
01:23:50,479 --> 01:23:53,160
Speaker 1: to a Jags team that they had no business losing to,

1678
01:23:53,360 --> 01:23:55,360
Speaker 1: especially when they were up twenty seven to nothing a

1679
01:23:55,439 --> 01:23:58,200
Speaker 1: couple of years ago. And now they lose to another

1680
01:23:58,240 --> 01:24:01,160
Speaker 1: AFC South team that was leaking oil late in the year,

1681
01:24:01,600 --> 01:24:04,920
Speaker 1: that hadn't scored a touchdown at home in their last

1682
01:24:04,960 --> 01:24:09,920
Speaker 1: three games. And we saw what happened here, and really

1683
01:24:09,960 --> 01:24:12,720
Speaker 1: the one thing we didn't talk about about the game itself,

1684
01:24:13,160 --> 01:24:16,720
Speaker 1: the game turned on the broken play. The game completely

1685
01:24:16,800 --> 01:24:18,759
Speaker 1: turned on the broken play. It was six to nothing.

1686
01:24:19,240 --> 01:24:22,000
Speaker 1: The Texans defense, which has been good against quarterbacks all

1687
01:24:22,080 --> 01:24:25,400
Speaker 1: year long, had still been holding them, so it was

1688
01:24:25,439 --> 01:24:30,679
Speaker 1: six to nothing. But the fumbled snap, Stroud for somehow

1689
01:24:30,760 --> 01:24:33,400
Speaker 1: grabs it as the poise to get it, goes towards

1690
01:24:33,400 --> 01:24:36,960
Speaker 1: the right sideline and then just uncorks one. It's caught

1691
01:24:37,040 --> 01:24:39,960
Speaker 1: for thirty four yards. They go and score a touchdown

1692
01:24:39,960 --> 01:24:41,680
Speaker 1: on that play, and then they end up getting the

1693
01:24:41,720 --> 01:24:44,760
Speaker 1: field goal because of whatever happened to the it was

1694
01:24:44,800 --> 01:24:47,840
Speaker 1: a very quick three and out for the Chargers after

1695
01:24:47,880 --> 01:24:50,200
Speaker 1: that point, and they were able to kick another field

1696
01:24:50,200 --> 01:24:51,960
Speaker 1: goal and go up ten to six going into the half.

1697
01:24:52,680 --> 01:24:55,800
Speaker 1: They were in better position there and Herbert two of

1698
01:24:55,800 --> 01:24:57,760
Speaker 1: his picks are not on him, all right, they're not.

1699
01:24:58,360 --> 01:25:00,920
Speaker 1: You know, the thing is down the line. We're not

1700
01:25:00,960 --> 01:25:03,960
Speaker 1: gonna remember that down the line. We're just gonna say

1701
01:25:03,960 --> 01:25:06,920
Speaker 1: he had four interceptions tonight. We can talk about the

1702
01:25:06,920 --> 01:25:09,599
Speaker 1: fact that Will Disley had a couple go right off

1703
01:25:09,640 --> 01:25:12,640
Speaker 1: his hands, directly into it, and they were thrown perfectly.

1704
01:25:12,840 --> 01:25:15,840
Speaker 1: I even saw one comment from somebody suggesting those were

1705
01:25:15,840 --> 01:25:18,360
Speaker 1: on Herbert because he didn't throw with touch. Okay, I'm

1706
01:25:18,400 --> 01:25:21,280
Speaker 1: not going there. Let's listen back off on that. But

1707
01:25:21,360 --> 01:25:24,240
Speaker 1: he also had two really bad interceptions in the game,

1708
01:25:24,840 --> 01:25:28,599
Speaker 1: one in particular where he just overshot Lad mccaukey, who

1709
01:25:28,680 --> 01:25:31,960
Speaker 1: almost made the play anyway, jumping up high. But that

1710
01:25:32,120 --> 01:25:35,080
Speaker 1: ended up being a pick six. So there were there's

1711
01:25:35,240 --> 01:25:38,760
Speaker 1: enough to criticize when it comes to justin Herbert where

1712
01:25:38,800 --> 01:25:41,640
Speaker 1: you just can't give him the pass anymore. Now he

1713
01:25:41,720 --> 01:25:43,360
Speaker 1: gets to that spot where he's going to have to

1714
01:25:43,400 --> 01:25:45,719
Speaker 1: prove it, and I can't put him there with Burrow

1715
01:25:45,840 --> 01:25:49,000
Speaker 1: and Lamar Jackson and Josh Allen and these guys that

1716
01:25:49,040 --> 01:25:51,479
Speaker 1: I've seen accomplish more. I don't care how much talent

1717
01:25:51,600 --> 01:25:54,320
Speaker 1: he has. You could be the most talented guy, but

1718
01:25:54,360 --> 01:25:56,639
Speaker 1: if you could be the smartest guy in the world,

1719
01:25:56,680 --> 01:25:58,320
Speaker 1: you show up and you get an F on the test,

1720
01:25:58,360 --> 01:26:00,439
Speaker 1: you're gonna get an F as a grade, and that's

1721
01:26:00,479 --> 01:26:03,360
Speaker 1: what's going to determine your future. And so Herbert's in

1722
01:26:03,400 --> 01:26:05,720
Speaker 1: a really good spot, has a good life all this,

1723
01:26:05,840 --> 01:26:08,240
Speaker 1: but he's got to start winning in the playoffs. He's

1724
01:26:08,240 --> 01:26:11,000
Speaker 1: getting into that territory where you simply can't believe in

1725
01:26:11,080 --> 01:26:12,640
Speaker 1: him until you see him do it.

1726
01:26:13,479 --> 01:26:15,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't really have a ton to add. I

1727
01:26:15,360 --> 01:26:18,200
Speaker 2: mentioned in hour one. It does remind me a little

1728
01:26:18,200 --> 01:26:21,920
Speaker 2: bit of right now. It's you know, he's still relatively young.

1729
01:26:21,960 --> 01:26:25,679
Speaker 2: But to your point is he'll be twenty seven this year.

1730
01:26:25,720 --> 01:26:28,880
Speaker 2: In twenty twenty five, but we are also talking about

1731
01:26:28,880 --> 01:26:30,880
Speaker 2: a guy that came in the same year as Joe Burrow,

1732
01:26:30,880 --> 01:26:33,840
Speaker 2: and you know Joe Burrow has you know, Joe Burrow

1733
01:26:33,880 --> 01:26:37,639
Speaker 2: has obviously a Super Bowl appearance, a second AFC Championship game.

1734
01:26:37,720 --> 01:26:40,200
Speaker 2: And so I mentioned this in the first hour, and

1735
01:26:40,479 --> 01:26:43,080
Speaker 2: I think, you know, listen, it was my analogy. So

1736
01:26:43,120 --> 01:26:46,320
Speaker 2: I think it was awesome obviously, but well it all's

1737
01:26:46,320 --> 01:26:50,040
Speaker 2: airs is. I think in sports, to me, there are

1738
01:26:50,080 --> 01:26:53,120
Speaker 2: three tiers, right, is that there are the all time greats,

1739
01:26:53,160 --> 01:26:58,800
Speaker 2: the Brady's, the Mahomes, the Lebrons, the MJ's, whatever. Then

1740
01:26:58,840 --> 01:27:02,360
Speaker 2: there are guys that in their eras are like all

1741
01:27:02,439 --> 01:27:04,800
Speaker 2: time greats for their eras, but a step below like

1742
01:27:04,880 --> 01:27:09,360
Speaker 2: the all time greats. Right so, during Lebron's run, Dwayne

1743
01:27:09,400 --> 01:27:11,400
Speaker 2: Wade was awesome, but he wasn't Lebron.

1744
01:27:11,680 --> 01:27:12,000
Speaker 3: Whatever.

1745
01:27:12,080 --> 01:27:14,200
Speaker 2: Doesn't mean he wasn't a great player. And then there's

1746
01:27:14,240 --> 01:27:17,920
Speaker 2: like the third tier that's like, oh he was good,

1747
01:27:18,760 --> 01:27:21,920
Speaker 2: but he wasn't those guys. And right now, I think

1748
01:27:21,960 --> 01:27:24,479
Speaker 2: you have to put Justin Herbert in that tier. Of

1749
01:27:24,520 --> 01:27:27,840
Speaker 2: these quarterbacks of this era, is Patrick Mahomes right now

1750
01:27:27,880 --> 01:27:30,240
Speaker 2: is on a tier to himself. We'll see if over

1751
01:27:30,280 --> 01:27:32,559
Speaker 2: the next couple of years Lamar Jackson or Josh Allen

1752
01:27:32,600 --> 01:27:35,000
Speaker 2: can get there, but Mahomes is on a tier of

1753
01:27:35,000 --> 01:27:39,559
Speaker 2: his own, and behind him is the Josh Allen Lamar Jackson,

1754
01:27:39,560 --> 01:27:41,519
Speaker 2: and I would, obviously, and I think most people would

1755
01:27:41,600 --> 01:27:44,000
Speaker 2: put Joe Burrow in there, as I mentioned, been to

1756
01:27:44,000 --> 01:27:47,040
Speaker 2: a Super Bowl, been to another AFC Championship game, not

1757
01:27:47,160 --> 01:27:50,320
Speaker 2: his fault that his defense stunk this year, and then

1758
01:27:50,320 --> 01:27:52,120
Speaker 2: I would put Justin Herbert in that third tier. And

1759
01:27:52,160 --> 01:27:54,160
Speaker 2: it doesn't mean that he can't move up. It doesn't

1760
01:27:54,200 --> 01:27:56,800
Speaker 2: mean that his worst football is behind him, but he

1761
01:27:57,000 --> 01:27:58,760
Speaker 2: is in an era where there are a lot of

1762
01:27:58,800 --> 01:28:02,280
Speaker 2: great quarterbacks in the AFC specifically, and this is who

1763
01:28:02,320 --> 01:28:05,400
Speaker 2: he is going to be compared to over the course

1764
01:28:05,439 --> 01:28:07,880
Speaker 2: of his career. So still plenty of time, but not

1765
01:28:07,960 --> 01:28:11,200
Speaker 2: a great day for Justin Herbert as he loses in

1766
01:28:11,360 --> 01:28:14,519
Speaker 2: Round one with the Los Angeles Chargers. Thirty two to

1767
01:28:14,560 --> 01:28:17,200
Speaker 2: twelve was the final score in Houston. And now we

1768
01:28:17,240 --> 01:28:21,559
Speaker 2: switch gears to the Lake game. Baltimore beats Pittsburgh twenty

1769
01:28:21,600 --> 01:28:25,320
Speaker 2: eight to fourteen. And you look at this game and

1770
01:28:25,560 --> 01:28:28,920
Speaker 2: to me, I just sit there and I just think

1771
01:28:28,960 --> 01:28:31,320
Speaker 2: that if you are a Baltimore Ravens fan that is

1772
01:28:31,360 --> 01:28:35,800
Speaker 2: at all concerned about this team in the postseason. This

1773
01:28:35,880 --> 01:28:38,360
Speaker 2: is what you wanted to see. Baltimore puts up close

1774
01:28:38,400 --> 01:28:42,160
Speaker 2: to five hundred yards of total offense, Derrick Henry with

1775
01:28:42,200 --> 01:28:45,720
Speaker 2: one hundred and eighty six yards rushing seven point two

1776
01:28:45,840 --> 01:28:46,839
Speaker 2: yards per carry.

1777
01:28:47,760 --> 01:28:48,760
Speaker 3: This is what you wanted to see.

1778
01:28:48,760 --> 01:28:51,479
Speaker 2: A Pittsburgh team that is struggling, that has reeling, lost

1779
01:28:51,479 --> 01:28:54,200
Speaker 2: four straight games to end the regular season, including one

1780
01:28:54,280 --> 01:28:57,880
Speaker 2: to you in Baltimore. Baltimore gets the victory, they advance.

1781
01:28:57,920 --> 01:29:00,360
Speaker 2: We assume they will play Buffalo. We will talk about

1782
01:29:00,360 --> 01:29:03,160
Speaker 2: these Sunday and Monday games in a minute. But to me,

1783
01:29:03,320 --> 01:29:07,200
Speaker 2: j Mart, you wanted to see complete domination. You wanted

1784
01:29:07,240 --> 01:29:10,759
Speaker 2: to see Lamar and Derrick Henry click at the highest

1785
01:29:10,840 --> 01:29:13,879
Speaker 2: level in the playoffs. That's exactly what we got Saturday

1786
01:29:13,960 --> 01:29:14,840
Speaker 2: night in Baltimore.

1787
01:29:14,960 --> 01:29:18,479
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean they were dominant. It was twenty eight fourteen.

1788
01:29:18,760 --> 01:29:20,400
Speaker 1: If you didn't watch the game, you would think it

1789
01:29:20,439 --> 01:29:24,160
Speaker 1: was closer than it was. The Steelers tried to make

1790
01:29:24,200 --> 01:29:26,680
Speaker 1: it interesting but couldn't. I still fell asleep in the

1791
01:29:26,680 --> 01:29:29,320
Speaker 1: third quarter, and that's not a joke. I literally fell

1792
01:29:29,320 --> 01:29:33,720
Speaker 1: asleep in the third quarter watching a game because the

1793
01:29:34,160 --> 01:29:37,599
Speaker 1: Ravens Mike dom Baby. Let's I will say this too.

1794
01:29:37,680 --> 01:29:40,880
Speaker 1: Like in the first half it looked very easy. It wasn't,

1795
01:29:40,960 --> 01:29:43,639
Speaker 1: I understand, but it looked easy, Like it just looked

1796
01:29:43,680 --> 01:29:46,040
Speaker 1: like the Ravens could do whatever they wanted. Lamar could

1797
01:29:46,040 --> 01:29:49,240
Speaker 1: do whatever he wanted, Derek Henry could do whatever he wanted.

1798
01:29:49,640 --> 01:29:52,679
Speaker 1: The Ravens defense didn't have to worry about much except

1799
01:29:52,720 --> 01:29:55,760
Speaker 1: the occasional push off from George Pickens. Like there was

1800
01:29:55,920 --> 01:29:59,080
Speaker 1: nothing really that they had to be concerned about it all.

1801
01:29:59,120 --> 01:30:01,200
Speaker 1: I mean, you look at Russ' final numbers, twenty to

1802
01:30:01,240 --> 01:30:04,960
Speaker 1: twenty nine, couple touchdowns, no interceptions. I mean, he played fine,

1803
01:30:05,080 --> 01:30:08,679
Speaker 1: he played decently well. You're not gonna cast a lot

1804
01:30:08,680 --> 01:30:12,280
Speaker 1: of negatives on him for the performance or anything like that.

1805
01:30:13,000 --> 01:30:15,120
Speaker 1: There's just one of these teams that is a playoff

1806
01:30:15,160 --> 01:30:17,280
Speaker 1: team and the other ones really not. And I think

1807
01:30:17,320 --> 01:30:21,040
Speaker 1: we knew that a month ago. The Steelers were kind of, yeah,

1808
01:30:21,040 --> 01:30:23,519
Speaker 1: all right, they're a mediocre football team. I mean, let's

1809
01:30:23,600 --> 01:30:26,559
Speaker 1: be real, like they put themselves in because of what

1810
01:30:26,560 --> 01:30:28,880
Speaker 1: they did early in the year. They kind of hit

1811
01:30:28,920 --> 01:30:31,599
Speaker 1: a wall where it's okay, maybe they overperformed, but now

1812
01:30:31,600 --> 01:30:34,280
Speaker 1: they're kind of coming to coming back to earth. When

1813
01:30:34,280 --> 01:30:38,479
Speaker 1: everybody was having this discussion about Denver and Cincinnati and

1814
01:30:38,640 --> 01:30:41,080
Speaker 1: all this stuff. No, the game that you would have

1815
01:30:41,200 --> 01:30:43,880
Speaker 1: liked to have had was Cincinnati in instead of Pittsburgh.

1816
01:30:43,920 --> 01:30:45,960
Speaker 1: You would have liked for the Bengals to have been

1817
01:30:46,000 --> 01:30:49,320
Speaker 1: the Steelers this year in that division and found their

1818
01:30:49,400 --> 01:30:53,320
Speaker 1: way into the playoffs because Burrow and that offense. That

1819
01:30:53,400 --> 01:30:55,000
Speaker 1: would have been Yeah, it probably would have been a

1820
01:30:55,000 --> 01:30:59,280
Speaker 1: shootout because the Bengals defense was terrible. But the Steelers

1821
01:30:59,320 --> 01:31:01,400
Speaker 1: are one of the most boring football teams to watch

1822
01:31:01,400 --> 01:31:04,320
Speaker 1: in the league because that offense looks like you're watching

1823
01:31:04,400 --> 01:31:07,320
Speaker 1: black and white film, like it looks so old and

1824
01:31:07,439 --> 01:31:10,519
Speaker 1: outdated in so many respects. And then you look at

1825
01:31:10,520 --> 01:31:12,760
Speaker 1: the other side of the ball. Yes, they pound it

1826
01:31:12,800 --> 01:31:15,920
Speaker 1: with Derrick Henry, but the stuff Lamar does the magic.

1827
01:31:16,320 --> 01:31:18,879
Speaker 1: Had disagre with that stat earlier where he had another

1828
01:31:19,200 --> 01:31:22,519
Speaker 1: six plus second time with the ball in his hands

1829
01:31:22,560 --> 01:31:25,240
Speaker 1: before throwing a touchdown pass to Justice Hill at the

1830
01:31:25,320 --> 01:31:28,599
Speaker 1: end of the first half. There's dynamic stuff happening all

1831
01:31:28,720 --> 01:31:32,880
Speaker 1: over this league. None of it is happening with Pittsburgh's offense. Regardless.

1832
01:31:32,920 --> 01:31:35,640
Speaker 1: It seems like of who the offensive coordinator is, they

1833
01:31:35,680 --> 01:31:38,479
Speaker 1: haven't had a quarterback since Ben in his last few years.

1834
01:31:38,520 --> 01:31:41,040
Speaker 1: They barely had Ben Roethlisberger. They certainly didn't have the

1835
01:31:41,040 --> 01:31:44,360
Speaker 1: Ben Roethlisberger we came to know in the peak of

1836
01:31:44,400 --> 01:31:47,519
Speaker 1: his career. So there's just I don't know if changes

1837
01:31:47,560 --> 01:31:49,360
Speaker 1: are made. I don't know if Russell Wilson is a

1838
01:31:49,439 --> 01:31:51,200
Speaker 1: starter next year. I don't know if Mike tom is

1839
01:31:51,240 --> 01:31:53,200
Speaker 1: still the coach. I tend to think the latter will

1840
01:31:53,200 --> 01:31:56,120
Speaker 1: be true. I don't know about the former, but something

1841
01:31:56,200 --> 01:31:58,479
Speaker 1: needs to change for Pittsburgh or they're just going to

1842
01:31:58,520 --> 01:32:02,120
Speaker 1: get further left behind. They can't continue to rely on TJ.

1843
01:32:02,240 --> 01:32:05,720
Speaker 1: Watt and Cam Hayward to bail them out and then

1844
01:32:05,840 --> 01:32:08,439
Speaker 1: still win these games thirteen to ten. Like that's not

1845
01:32:08,520 --> 01:32:10,760
Speaker 1: going to fly for very much longer. Yeah.

1846
01:32:10,760 --> 01:32:12,720
Speaker 2: I don't really have a ton else to add. I

1847
01:32:12,800 --> 01:32:15,200
Speaker 2: just I mentioned it earlier, But I do find it interesting.

1848
01:32:16,000 --> 01:32:19,120
Speaker 2: Probably week eight week nine, when Russell Wilson came in

1849
01:32:19,280 --> 01:32:22,040
Speaker 2: was playing well, we had all these conversations about the

1850
01:32:22,080 --> 01:32:25,080
Speaker 2: Steelers have found their quarterback. And then you get to

1851
01:32:25,120 --> 01:32:27,360
Speaker 2: week seventeen, Week eighteen, and it's a lot of the

1852
01:32:27,400 --> 01:32:30,880
Speaker 2: same conversations that we have had about the Steelers. Should

1853
01:32:30,920 --> 01:32:33,920
Speaker 2: Mike Tomlin start over somewhere else with all these coaching

1854
01:32:33,920 --> 01:32:38,000
Speaker 2: opportunities that are available, Is Russell Wilson the answer? Long term?

1855
01:32:38,000 --> 01:32:40,800
Speaker 2: He probably isn't. What do you do at quarterback? And

1856
01:32:41,080 --> 01:32:43,800
Speaker 2: it feels like we're right back to square square one

1857
01:32:43,880 --> 01:32:46,559
Speaker 2: with Pittsburgh And it's a shame because obviously they look

1858
01:32:46,680 --> 01:32:49,840
Speaker 2: so good. Probably about the middle of the season. Fox

1859
01:32:49,840 --> 01:32:52,599
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01:32:55,680 --> 01:32:59,720
Speaker 2: will start to look ahead to a loaded Sunday and

1862
01:33:00,439 --> 01:33:04,120
Speaker 2: night slate for playoff games still to come. We're gonna

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Speaker 2: eight minutes left to preview, which should be a very

1875
01:33:41,760 --> 01:33:44,840
Speaker 2: fun two days of football. So I'll tell you what,

1876
01:33:45,600 --> 01:33:51,280
Speaker 2: Marymack give us a little music Ian TuS up on

1877
01:33:51,360 --> 01:33:54,760
Speaker 2: the games. You could go chronological order starting early Sunday

1878
01:33:54,880 --> 01:33:57,320
Speaker 2: and we'll wrap with with late Monday.

1879
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Speaker 1: You got it.

1880
01:33:58,360 --> 01:34:02,400
Speaker 7: Let's start with Jmarts headed to Orchard Park to face

1881
01:34:02,439 --> 01:34:04,719
Speaker 7: the Bills. The Bills are favored by eight and a half.

1882
01:34:04,960 --> 01:34:05,639
Speaker 3: Aaron, what do you.

1883
01:34:05,600 --> 01:34:10,360
Speaker 2: Think, Well, I think the Buffalo Football Bills are gonna win, man.

1884
01:34:10,439 --> 01:34:14,040
Speaker 2: I mean, you know, listen, I think that there are

1885
01:34:14,280 --> 01:34:18,040
Speaker 2: moments in time where Buffalo there's plenty of question, but

1886
01:34:18,120 --> 01:34:20,840
Speaker 2: they have been playing such good football down the street

1887
01:34:20,960 --> 01:34:22,760
Speaker 2: really all season long. I mean, if you really think

1888
01:34:22,800 --> 01:34:25,040
Speaker 2: about it, I don't take much out of losing to

1889
01:34:25,080 --> 01:34:26,799
Speaker 2: the Patriots when they weren't playing anybody.

1890
01:34:27,040 --> 01:34:28,160
Speaker 3: And with the Broncos.

1891
01:34:28,479 --> 01:34:30,280
Speaker 2: This is gonna sound like I'm tearing them down, and

1892
01:34:30,320 --> 01:34:33,360
Speaker 2: I'm not, because it was a great season ten and seven.

1893
01:34:33,479 --> 01:34:35,439
Speaker 2: We know the over underwin total was like five and

1894
01:34:35,439 --> 01:34:37,760
Speaker 2: a half, six and a half in the preseason, but

1895
01:34:37,880 --> 01:34:40,280
Speaker 2: you look at their final month or two of the season,

1896
01:34:40,640 --> 01:34:42,879
Speaker 2: you beat the Chiefs when the Chiefs aren't playing anybody

1897
01:34:43,320 --> 01:34:46,959
Speaker 2: loose to the Bengals loose to, the Chargers, beat the Colts, Browns, Raiders,

1898
01:34:47,040 --> 01:34:51,160
Speaker 2: and Falcons right before they bench Kirk Cousins. It's not

1899
01:34:51,280 --> 01:34:54,879
Speaker 2: as though you beat a who's who of elite NFL teams.

1900
01:34:55,439 --> 01:34:57,880
Speaker 2: Not a knock on Denver. They're ahead of schedule in

1901
01:34:57,880 --> 01:35:00,200
Speaker 2: this Sean Payton era. I just don't think they have

1902
01:35:00,280 --> 01:35:02,320
Speaker 2: the manpower to go to Orchard Park and get the victory.

1903
01:35:02,880 --> 01:35:04,800
Speaker 1: Look, I think the Bills are going to win the game, too,

1904
01:35:05,520 --> 01:35:08,680
Speaker 1: But I do like that Denver is being given this

1905
01:35:08,760 --> 01:35:11,679
Speaker 1: sort of They're being given a little bit of respect

1906
01:35:11,720 --> 01:35:13,439
Speaker 1: from some of the things that I've heard this week

1907
01:35:13,439 --> 01:35:16,160
Speaker 1: in terms of this is the kind of defense that

1908
01:35:16,200 --> 01:35:20,040
Speaker 1: has given Josh Allen trouble in the past, and they

1909
01:35:20,080 --> 01:35:22,599
Speaker 1: are going to be ready to play. They're a really

1910
01:35:22,600 --> 01:35:25,760
Speaker 1: solid unit. Then you look at like bo Nicks just

1911
01:35:25,800 --> 01:35:27,559
Speaker 1: seems to be able to make a couple of plays

1912
01:35:27,560 --> 01:35:32,000
Speaker 1: in Courtland. Sutton is having the season that Broncos fans

1913
01:35:32,000 --> 01:35:33,760
Speaker 1: have wanted to see from him now for three or

1914
01:35:33,800 --> 01:35:36,760
Speaker 1: four years. I think they're riding pretty high coming in.

1915
01:35:36,800 --> 01:35:39,160
Speaker 1: They feel pretty good about themselves. I don't think they're

1916
01:35:39,200 --> 01:35:41,120
Speaker 1: ready to win this game. I think that this is

1917
01:35:41,240 --> 01:35:43,479
Speaker 1: the step you get into the playoffs, and then you

1918
01:35:43,640 --> 01:35:45,559
Speaker 1: have a good offseason, you come back next year, and

1919
01:35:45,600 --> 01:35:47,599
Speaker 1: you see what you have been able to build off.

1920
01:35:48,200 --> 01:35:50,639
Speaker 1: I think that they honestly think it's almost house money.

1921
01:35:50,680 --> 01:35:52,880
Speaker 1: I don't think anybody's anticipating that they need to win.

1922
01:35:53,280 --> 01:35:56,240
Speaker 1: On the flip side, the Bills can't lose this game.

1923
01:35:56,960 --> 01:36:00,960
Speaker 1: They just can't. Like It's not that it's impossible them,

1924
01:36:01,160 --> 01:36:03,880
Speaker 1: it's that they'd better not lose this game.

1925
01:36:03,920 --> 01:36:05,439
Speaker 3: Can you imagine it takes on Monday?

1926
01:36:05,479 --> 01:36:08,200
Speaker 1: If the Bills lose this horrifying unless they have some

1927
01:36:08,320 --> 01:36:12,360
Speaker 1: epic game that finishes forty seven to forty five. Not

1928
01:36:12,600 --> 01:36:14,840
Speaker 1: I don't think you can dog out Josh Allen for that.

1929
01:36:14,920 --> 01:36:17,640
Speaker 1: But I still think you're gonna go after McDermott and

1930
01:36:17,680 --> 01:36:20,000
Speaker 1: go The Bills just can't lose here. This is not

1931
01:36:20,040 --> 01:36:24,000
Speaker 1: a game that they are authorized to lose. Really, and

1932
01:36:24,280 --> 01:36:27,520
Speaker 1: in the national media, it would be ugly if they lost.

1933
01:36:27,360 --> 01:36:29,280
Speaker 2: Really quick, because we got three other games to preview.

1934
01:36:29,760 --> 01:36:33,840
Speaker 2: If the Bills lose this game, Sean McDermott's future is

1935
01:36:33,840 --> 01:36:38,960
Speaker 2: what you'd have to consider. Letting them go, right, Yeah.

1936
01:36:38,800 --> 01:36:40,559
Speaker 1: But I mean we've kind of been on that train

1937
01:36:40,640 --> 01:36:42,880
Speaker 1: for a couple of years. I tend to think they

1938
01:36:42,920 --> 01:36:46,240
Speaker 1: probably still wouldn't. But I think this would be a

1939
01:36:46,280 --> 01:36:51,040
Speaker 1: fireball offense unless it was just a very freakish kind

1940
01:36:51,080 --> 01:36:54,400
Speaker 1: of deal or some I don't think they can lose

1941
01:36:54,439 --> 01:36:56,120
Speaker 1: this game. I think it would lead to a lot

1942
01:36:56,160 --> 01:36:59,680
Speaker 1: of changes if they lost. So I don't anticipate that

1943
01:36:59,720 --> 01:37:03,360
Speaker 1: they are going to But if this thing is, you know,

1944
01:37:03,560 --> 01:37:06,679
Speaker 1: very close, late boy, there's gonna be some You're gonna

1945
01:37:06,680 --> 01:37:08,719
Speaker 1: be able to see sweat on the brow all across

1946
01:37:08,760 --> 01:37:10,440
Speaker 1: that sideline.

1947
01:37:10,760 --> 01:37:11,080
Speaker 3: All right.

1948
01:37:11,120 --> 01:37:13,600
Speaker 7: Next up, four to thirty Eastern time on Fox, the

1949
01:37:13,640 --> 01:37:16,679
Speaker 7: Greenbay Packers are going to Philadelphia to take on the Eagles,

1950
01:37:16,680 --> 01:37:18,320
Speaker 7: who are favored by five points.

1951
01:37:18,320 --> 01:37:18,800
Speaker 3: We'll start with you.

1952
01:37:18,880 --> 01:37:22,840
Speaker 1: J mart Herts is gonna play, not really shocked that

1953
01:37:22,880 --> 01:37:26,599
Speaker 1: he found a way. Uh. Saquan is gonna be ready

1954
01:37:26,640 --> 01:37:30,519
Speaker 1: to go. The Eagles have too much firepower right now.

1955
01:37:30,680 --> 01:37:33,280
Speaker 1: You lose Watson. He's not the most important part of

1956
01:37:33,360 --> 01:37:36,960
Speaker 1: Green Bay's offense, but more than anything right now, I

1957
01:37:37,040 --> 01:37:40,120
Speaker 1: just don't trust Jordan Love not yet, Like he just

1958
01:37:40,160 --> 01:37:42,639
Speaker 1: hasn't he It's not that he's been bad this year.

1959
01:37:42,720 --> 01:37:45,400
Speaker 1: It's just I've seen enough to just feel a little

1960
01:37:45,439 --> 01:37:48,200
Speaker 1: shaky about him in this spot. Remember these two teams

1961
01:37:48,680 --> 01:37:51,840
Speaker 1: played in Mexico in Week one, Brazil, so here they

1962
01:37:51,880 --> 01:37:55,840
Speaker 1: are Brazil, right, and now now they find themselves matched

1963
01:37:55,880 --> 01:37:57,519
Speaker 1: up in the playoffs. I just think the Eagles are

1964
01:37:57,560 --> 01:38:00,640
Speaker 1: flat out better at this point. Even though my preseason

1965
01:38:00,680 --> 01:38:03,559
Speaker 1: Super Bowl was Chiefs over Packers, I think the Packers

1966
01:38:03,680 --> 01:38:05,559
Speaker 1: just this is not the team you want to see

1967
01:38:05,600 --> 01:38:08,000
Speaker 1: right now if you're Green Bay. So I like Philadelphia.

1968
01:38:08,560 --> 01:38:11,600
Speaker 2: So first of all, I think the Jalen Hurts not

1969
01:38:11,640 --> 01:38:13,960
Speaker 2: getting clear till the back end of the week. It

1970
01:38:14,160 --> 01:38:17,880
Speaker 2: proves why the Saquon conversation was so dumb the last

1971
01:38:17,920 --> 01:38:21,400
Speaker 2: two weeks. It's like things can just change so quickly.

1972
01:38:21,439 --> 01:38:23,120
Speaker 2: Besides the fact that you would have to play all

1973
01:38:23,160 --> 01:38:25,479
Speaker 2: of your starters, we discussed it last week. You're not

1974
01:38:25,520 --> 01:38:28,360
Speaker 2: gonna put Saquon in It gets the backup offensive line

1975
01:38:28,439 --> 01:38:31,479
Speaker 2: or wrestling Johnson or whatever. But it just shows how

1976
01:38:31,560 --> 01:38:34,560
Speaker 2: quickly things can turn and that nothing is guaranteed. And

1977
01:38:34,640 --> 01:38:38,200
Speaker 2: the fact that Jalen Hurts again was obviously in concussion

1978
01:38:38,240 --> 01:38:41,960
Speaker 2: protocol a lot longer than anticipated shows just how how

1979
01:38:42,040 --> 01:38:44,479
Speaker 2: dangerous this get Not dangerous in like a bad sense,

1980
01:38:44,520 --> 01:38:48,519
Speaker 2: but you know, it's the reality of playing football. So

1981
01:38:49,560 --> 01:38:51,400
Speaker 2: I was thinking about that a lot this week. As

1982
01:38:51,479 --> 01:38:53,720
Speaker 2: far as the game is concerned, I'm kind of with you.

1983
01:38:54,479 --> 01:38:58,240
Speaker 2: I just the Eagles were operating at such a high level.

1984
01:38:58,400 --> 01:39:00,960
Speaker 2: As you mentioned, these two teams did play way back

1985
01:39:01,000 --> 01:39:03,080
Speaker 2: in Week one. That was just a strange game to

1986
01:39:03,120 --> 01:39:04,919
Speaker 2: even think about Friday night in Brazil.

1987
01:39:05,439 --> 01:39:06,320
Speaker 3: Weird field.

1988
01:39:07,880 --> 01:39:10,320
Speaker 2: But I look at it from the same perspective you do.

1989
01:39:10,400 --> 01:39:12,559
Speaker 2: I don't trust Jordan Love. I was actually one of

1990
01:39:12,560 --> 01:39:15,720
Speaker 2: the few people I feel like that going back to

1991
01:39:15,760 --> 01:39:18,600
Speaker 2: the preseason, I understood why he got the extension. I

1992
01:39:18,600 --> 01:39:22,040
Speaker 2: thought the hype was a little bit too much, just

1993
01:39:22,160 --> 01:39:24,200
Speaker 2: because dating back to last year, he had a couple

1994
01:39:24,160 --> 01:39:26,240
Speaker 2: of really big games in big spots, but he had

1995
01:39:26,280 --> 01:39:28,960
Speaker 2: a couple really down games that a lot of people

1996
01:39:29,000 --> 01:39:31,360
Speaker 2: forgot about as well. That's just a long winded way

1997
01:39:31,360 --> 01:39:34,599
Speaker 2: of me saying that I think Philly probably wins and

1998
01:39:34,640 --> 01:39:35,520
Speaker 2: wins reasonably.

1999
01:39:35,680 --> 01:39:40,400
Speaker 1: One X factor, I do trust Matt Lafleur more than yeah, Sirianni.

2000
01:39:40,800 --> 01:39:44,200
Speaker 1: If it does come down to coaching decisions, Sirianni can

2001
01:39:44,240 --> 01:39:46,719
Speaker 1: find a way to get them beat. I've just seen

2002
01:39:46,800 --> 01:39:50,720
Speaker 1: I've seen too many instances where I just he has lived,

2003
01:39:50,760 --> 01:39:53,800
Speaker 1: but his team has bailed him out of situations. So

2004
01:39:53,960 --> 01:39:56,080
Speaker 1: as long as he doesn't cost them the game, I

2005
01:39:56,120 --> 01:39:56,760
Speaker 1: think they'll win.

2006
01:39:57,240 --> 01:40:00,360
Speaker 3: Totally fair point, totally fair point. I'll tell you what, Jamark.

2007
01:40:00,439 --> 01:40:03,719
Speaker 2: We will come back and we'll preview the other two games,

2008
01:40:03,760 --> 01:40:07,200
Speaker 2: the Sunday Night and Monday night playoff games.

2009
01:40:07,240 --> 01:40:08,000
Speaker 3: That's next.

2010
01:40:08,560 --> 01:40:11,360
Speaker 2: But first, for the final time this evening, let's toss

2011
01:40:11,400 --> 01:40:13,880
Speaker 2: it over the news desk Steve de Sager, what is trendy?

2012
01:40:13,960 --> 01:40:16,519
Speaker 5: I will mention that matchup for Sunday Night. It's the

2013
01:40:16,560 --> 01:40:19,479
Speaker 5: Commanders who've won five straight at the Bucks, who've won

2014
01:40:19,600 --> 01:40:22,920
Speaker 5: six of seven. Although in Tampa Bay's streak they beat

2015
01:40:22,960 --> 01:40:26,439
Speaker 5: Carolina twice and the Giants and the Raiders and the Saints.

2016
01:40:26,840 --> 01:40:29,320
Speaker 5: But Tampa Bay did beat the Chargers in LA and

2017
01:40:29,360 --> 01:40:33,080
Speaker 5: completely dominated the second half those two met remember in

2018
01:40:33,160 --> 01:40:36,439
Speaker 5: the season opener at Tampa Bay, and Washington lost that

2019
01:40:36,560 --> 01:40:40,559
Speaker 5: thirty seven to twenty Baker Mayfield four touchdown passes. Monday Night,

2020
01:40:40,600 --> 01:40:44,160
Speaker 5: we'll get the Rams in Arizona hosting the Vikings, a

2021
01:40:44,200 --> 01:40:47,519
Speaker 5: Minnesota team that's fourteen and three but they lost twice

2022
01:40:47,600 --> 01:40:50,840
Speaker 5: to Detroit and lost at the Rams in October. It

2023
01:40:50,960 --> 01:40:53,400
Speaker 5: was a Thursday night game, thirty to twenty. Rams had

2024
01:40:53,479 --> 01:40:55,360
Speaker 5: led twenty one to twenty with six and a half

2025
01:40:55,439 --> 01:40:58,680
Speaker 5: minutes to go. You've got Sam Darnold from USC who

2026
01:40:58,760 --> 01:41:01,559
Speaker 5: had two touchdowns against the Rams in that game. You've

2027
01:41:01,600 --> 01:41:04,880
Speaker 5: got Kevin O'Connell, Vikings head coach, who's a southern California

2028
01:41:04,960 --> 01:41:08,280
Speaker 5: native and was a Rams assistant offensive coordinator for Sean

2029
01:41:08,360 --> 01:41:11,800
Speaker 5: McVay in twenty twenty and twenty one. By the way,

2030
01:41:11,800 --> 01:41:15,320
Speaker 5: the Falcons fired defensive coordinator Jimmy Lake after one season.

2031
01:41:15,680 --> 01:41:19,120
Speaker 5: Atlanta allowed the highest completion percentage and the second most

2032
01:41:19,160 --> 01:41:22,599
Speaker 5: TD passes. The Patriots, according to the Boston Globe, are

2033
01:41:22,600 --> 01:41:25,800
Speaker 5: in contract negotiations with Mike Rabel to make him their

2034
01:41:25,840 --> 01:41:29,800
Speaker 5: next head coach. Today, the postseason's wild card weekend began

2035
01:41:29,840 --> 01:41:32,719
Speaker 5: in Houston. Texans were trailing at home late first half

2036
01:41:32,760 --> 01:41:35,920
Speaker 5: six nothing to the Chargers. Houston won the game thirty

2037
01:41:35,960 --> 01:41:39,360
Speaker 5: two to twelve. Justin Herbert through four interceptions, was sacked

2038
01:41:39,400 --> 01:41:43,200
Speaker 5: four times. Joe Mixon over one hundred yards rushing. Chargers

2039
01:41:43,200 --> 01:41:45,360
Speaker 5: got field goals on their first two drives and had

2040
01:41:45,479 --> 01:41:48,440
Speaker 5: very little offense after that, a total of seven turnovers

2041
01:41:48,439 --> 01:41:51,240
Speaker 5: in the game. Rookie Ladd mccaukee of LA did have

2042
01:41:51,400 --> 01:41:54,920
Speaker 5: nine receptions one hundred and ninety seven yards and a score.

2043
01:41:55,360 --> 01:41:58,599
Speaker 5: Charger franchise still with just one playoff win since twenty

2044
01:41:58,680 --> 01:42:03,280
Speaker 5: thirteen regular season. The Chargers will be hosting the Texans.

2045
01:42:03,520 --> 01:42:06,439
Speaker 5: Baltimore tonight at home beat Pittsburgh twenty eight to fourteen.

2046
01:42:06,560 --> 01:42:09,719
Speaker 5: Steelers as a team eleven carries twenty nine yards rushing,

2047
01:42:10,479 --> 01:42:13,479
Speaker 5: Derrick Henry twenty six carries one hundred and eighty six

2048
01:42:13,560 --> 01:42:16,920
Speaker 5: yards rushing and two scores. The amazing stat from Associated

2049
01:42:17,000 --> 01:42:20,559
Speaker 5: Press is the Steelers in the postseason have not even

2050
01:42:20,680 --> 01:42:24,040
Speaker 5: had the ball with a lead even once in their

2051
01:42:24,120 --> 01:42:25,839
Speaker 5: last six playoff games.

2052
01:42:26,000 --> 01:42:26,840
Speaker 3: That is insane.

2053
01:42:26,880 --> 01:42:30,000
Speaker 5: That is insane. So yes, they've lost six playoff games

2054
01:42:30,040 --> 01:42:32,880
Speaker 5: in a row. They were down badly after the first

2055
01:42:32,960 --> 01:42:36,040
Speaker 5: half tonight, down twenty one nothing, and in the first half,

2056
01:42:36,160 --> 01:42:39,120
Speaker 5: Baltimore had an advantage of nineteen first downs to two.

2057
01:42:39,920 --> 01:42:43,120
Speaker 5: The yardage at halftime was three ZHO eight to fifty nine,

2058
01:42:43,840 --> 01:42:46,800
Speaker 5: and on third down conversions Baltimore was seven for eight.

2059
01:42:47,439 --> 01:42:51,080
Speaker 5: Pittsburgh hasn't won a playoff game since the twenty sixteen season.

2060
01:42:51,160 --> 01:42:54,000
Speaker 5: Baltimore this year with the top ranked offense four hundred

2061
01:42:54,000 --> 01:42:55,880
Speaker 5: and twenty five yards a game. They had four to

2062
01:42:55,920 --> 01:43:00,639
Speaker 5: sixty four tonight, led by Henry, who ties Terrell for

2063
01:43:00,720 --> 01:43:03,759
Speaker 5: most playoff games in history with at least one hundred

2064
01:43:03,760 --> 01:43:06,599
Speaker 5: and fifty yards rushing four of them now and in fact,

2065
01:43:06,640 --> 01:43:10,439
Speaker 5: in NFL history, including playoff games, Derrick Henry has tied

2066
01:43:10,560 --> 01:43:13,840
Speaker 5: a Jim Rownd record most games with at least one

2067
01:43:13,920 --> 01:43:17,080
Speaker 5: hundred and fifty yards rushing and at least two touchdowns

2068
01:43:17,160 --> 01:43:20,200
Speaker 5: on the ground thirteen different times. Derrick Henry has done

2069
01:43:20,240 --> 01:43:22,920
Speaker 5: that in his NFL career. At Ravens Pro Bowl wide

2070
01:43:22,960 --> 01:43:25,439
Speaker 5: receiver z A. Flowers remember, left last Saturday with a

2071
01:43:25,479 --> 01:43:29,639
Speaker 5: knee injury out tonight. No guarantee he plays next weekend

2072
01:43:29,920 --> 01:43:33,560
Speaker 5: to the NBA Houston and Atlanta postponed by the winter storm,

2073
01:43:33,800 --> 01:43:37,280
Speaker 5: Lakers home game postponed and the Clippers' home game postponed

2074
01:43:37,479 --> 01:43:41,160
Speaker 5: due to the fires in Los Angeles. College hoops Number

2075
01:43:41,160 --> 01:43:44,200
Speaker 5: one Tennessee did get a close win at Texas. Number

2076
01:43:44,240 --> 01:43:46,240
Speaker 5: two Auburn came back to win a close game at

2077
01:43:46,240 --> 01:43:49,479
Speaker 5: South Carolina and third ranked Iowa State with a comeback

2078
01:43:49,560 --> 01:43:52,840
Speaker 5: overtime win at Texas Tech at number four, Duke Cooper

2079
01:43:52,880 --> 01:43:55,439
Speaker 5: flag with forty two points in a win against Notre

2080
01:43:55,560 --> 01:43:58,880
Speaker 5: Dame eighty six seventy eight, and fifth ranked Alabama won

2081
01:43:58,920 --> 01:44:02,240
Speaker 5: at number ten Texas A and M ninety four to

2082
01:44:02,400 --> 01:44:02,880
Speaker 5: eighty eight.

2083
01:44:03,000 --> 01:44:05,479
Speaker 3: Back to you, Thank you very much, Steve de Seger.

2084
01:44:05,640 --> 01:44:10,160
Speaker 2: This is Fox Sports Radio, Fox Sports Sunday Now, Aaron Torris,

2085
01:44:10,240 --> 01:44:13,520
Speaker 2: Jay Smartin broadcasting live from the ti raq dot com studios.

2086
01:44:13,880 --> 01:44:19,120
Speaker 2: Let's keep it going, Marry, give us some music. Ian, Yes,

2087
01:44:19,360 --> 01:44:20,560
Speaker 2: game are we previewing?

2088
01:44:20,640 --> 01:44:20,960
Speaker 1: Next?

2089
01:44:21,040 --> 01:44:23,000
Speaker 3: I know, but I'll just let you I'll build a

2090
01:44:23,040 --> 01:44:23,919
Speaker 3: dramatic suspense.

2091
01:44:24,000 --> 01:44:24,240
Speaker 1: Yeah.

2092
01:44:24,320 --> 01:44:28,639
Speaker 7: Next up, it's uh the Washington Commanders going to Tampa

2093
01:44:28,640 --> 01:44:31,800
Speaker 7: Bay to face the Buccaneers. The Bucks are favored by three.

2094
01:44:32,000 --> 01:44:36,800
Speaker 7: We'll start with you Erin So Commander's great story. By

2095
01:44:36,800 --> 01:44:39,360
Speaker 7: the way, I remember doing a show with Steve Hartman

2096
01:44:39,439 --> 01:44:41,479
Speaker 7: over the summer. He gave he asked me my bold

2097
01:44:41,560 --> 01:44:44,680
Speaker 7: NFL predictions, and you know, everybody kind of had the

2098
01:44:44,680 --> 01:44:47,919
Speaker 7: same playoff teams. I had two playoff teams that maybe

2099
01:44:47,960 --> 01:44:49,240
Speaker 7: some other people didn't have.

2100
01:44:50,160 --> 01:44:53,840
Speaker 2: One was way wrong in the New York Jets. One

2101
01:44:53,920 --> 01:44:55,679
Speaker 2: ended up being right, though, because I had the Washington

2102
01:44:55,680 --> 01:45:00,400
Speaker 2: Commanders in the playoffs, so great story. I think the

2103
01:45:00,439 --> 01:45:02,639
Speaker 2: story ends here and let me tell you why you

2104
01:45:02,720 --> 01:45:05,680
Speaker 2: look at it. Listen, It's been an amazing year. I'm

2105
01:45:05,720 --> 01:45:08,360
Speaker 2: not here to tear down what they did. Jayden Daniels

2106
01:45:08,400 --> 01:45:13,240
Speaker 2: has been amazing, but obviously hit a lull probably about

2107
01:45:13,280 --> 01:45:16,280
Speaker 2: week eleven, week twelve, something like that. They were red hot.

2108
01:45:16,320 --> 01:45:18,040
Speaker 2: Then they hit a little bit of a low. They

2109
01:45:18,080 --> 01:45:21,800
Speaker 2: lose three straight. Their final five games that they won

2110
01:45:23,000 --> 01:45:27,360
Speaker 2: or final well, yeah, five games that they won. Titans, Okay, Saints,

2111
01:45:27,520 --> 01:45:30,880
Speaker 2: Okay Eagles in which Jalen Hurts gets hurt and Kenny

2112
01:45:30,880 --> 01:45:34,240
Speaker 2: Pickett plays most of the game, Falcons and Michael Pennix's

2113
01:45:34,320 --> 01:45:38,479
Speaker 2: first career start in overtime, and the lousy Cowboys. So

2114
01:45:38,520 --> 01:45:41,360
Speaker 2: I guess what I'm saying is, listen, I'm not going

2115
01:45:41,400 --> 01:45:44,400
Speaker 2: to discredit teams for beating the teams that they're supposed to.

2116
01:45:44,840 --> 01:45:47,800
Speaker 2: But I do think going on the road at night,

2117
01:45:48,120 --> 01:45:52,160
Speaker 2: Tampa kind of just a team that takes care of business. Baker,

2118
01:45:52,479 --> 01:45:54,839
Speaker 2: Mike Evans, the defense, Todd Bowles.

2119
01:45:55,200 --> 01:45:55,439
Speaker 1: I do.

2120
01:45:55,640 --> 01:45:57,120
Speaker 2: That's a long win away of me saying that I

2121
01:45:57,160 --> 01:45:58,560
Speaker 2: do like the Tampa Bay Bucks.

2122
01:45:59,600 --> 01:46:02,120
Speaker 1: You make a really good case. We have to disagree somewhere.

2123
01:46:02,120 --> 01:46:04,040
Speaker 1: I'm gonna take Washington. I think I picked him in

2124
01:46:04,040 --> 01:46:06,520
Speaker 1: the playoffs too. I'd have to go back to that show,

2125
01:46:07,040 --> 01:46:09,160
Speaker 1: but we were both fairly high on them coming into

2126
01:46:09,160 --> 01:46:12,840
Speaker 1: the season. I just feel like Jayden Daniels has made

2127
01:46:12,840 --> 01:46:15,960
Speaker 1: for prime time. In a moment like this, I think

2128
01:46:16,040 --> 01:46:19,200
Speaker 1: dan Quinn knows what he's doing. I've enjoyed watching the

2129
01:46:19,240 --> 01:46:21,519
Speaker 1: way that they have grown a bit. We thought they

2130
01:46:21,600 --> 01:46:23,880
Speaker 1: hit a wall, but then yes, you're right. They haven't

2131
01:46:23,920 --> 01:46:26,240
Speaker 1: looked as impressive in the last four or five weeks,

2132
01:46:26,280 --> 01:46:27,960
Speaker 1: but there was a moment there where it's like, are

2133
01:46:27,960 --> 01:46:31,080
Speaker 1: they gonna completely fall off the tracks? And they haven't

2134
01:46:31,120 --> 01:46:34,040
Speaker 1: done that. There's still some growth in Jaydon Daniels that

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Speaker 1: we need to see, but I could see it a

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Speaker 1: couple of big time splash plays. Baker is a boom

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Speaker 1: er bust guy too. He can be really good and

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Speaker 1: then there are those moments where he just kind of

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Speaker 1: has an off day and he can give the ball

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Speaker 1: away two or three times. Also, I could see it

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Speaker 1: going either in this case, but I just for some reason,

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Speaker 1: I think the Commanders are gonna get a road win.

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Speaker 1: I think they're one and done in the playoffs, but

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Speaker 1: I think they're gonna make it a little interesting and

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Speaker 1: get one on here as good as Tampa Bay has

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Speaker 1: been this year, because I have really enjoyed watching them play,

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Speaker 1: and I like so many other players.

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Speaker 7: All Right, last, but not least, the Vikings versus Rams.

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Speaker 7: Remember this game was moved to glend Arizona because of

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Speaker 7: the wildfires. Keep that in mind. Minnesota's favored by two

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Speaker 7: and a half points. Though, we'll start with you erin

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01:47:18,920 --> 01:47:20,240
Speaker 7: jam before we get to the game.

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Speaker 2: I have a question for you, and I've been thinking

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01:47:23,040 --> 01:47:24,679
Speaker 2: a lot about this, and I know I'm just kind

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01:47:24,680 --> 01:47:28,600
Speaker 2: of reading off schedules a lot. Right now, did we

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01:47:28,680 --> 01:47:31,400
Speaker 2: anoint Sam Darnold a little too fast? And let me

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Speaker 2: let me make the argument here, Okay, all right, So obviously,

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01:47:34,560 --> 01:47:37,280
Speaker 2: prior to the Detroit game, great win over Green Bay,

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Speaker 2: but Seattle Chicago twice, Atlanta again with Kirk Cousins right

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01:47:43,000 --> 01:47:49,280
Speaker 2: before he got benched, Tennessee Jacksonville, Indy plays Detroit in primetime,

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01:47:49,360 --> 01:47:53,200
Speaker 2: looks like a deer in headlights. And we've seen Detroit's

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01:47:53,200 --> 01:47:56,680
Speaker 2: defense the week's prior to this game. We know how

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01:47:56,680 --> 01:47:59,240
Speaker 2: many guys are out I don't want to discredit Detroit

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01:47:59,280 --> 01:48:00,719
Speaker 2: for doing what did.

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Speaker 3: But one, this is obviously it goes out saying.

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Speaker 2: I just think, one, we know that if Minnesota does

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01:48:10,400 --> 01:48:13,200
Speaker 2: not win this game, we have to reevaluate the entire

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Speaker 2: Sam Darnold conversation. So maybe I'm just getting forty eight

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Speaker 2: hours ahead of this, and maybe I should just wait

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Speaker 2: until after the Rams game because it's a moot point

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01:48:21,720 --> 01:48:24,760
Speaker 2: if they destroy the Rams, and it's probably the lead

2172
01:48:24,880 --> 01:48:27,080
Speaker 2: talking point on Tuesday if they don't win.

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01:48:27,800 --> 01:48:30,599
Speaker 3: But I do wonder did we annoint him a little

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01:48:30,600 --> 01:48:32,960
Speaker 3: bit early? Is it fair? Is it not fair? What

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01:48:33,000 --> 01:48:33,360
Speaker 3: do you think?

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Speaker 1: I don't know that he's been anointed yet. I think

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Speaker 1: it depends on the circle.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I think people were ready to hand him

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Speaker 2: the long term extension.

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Speaker 1: Where do we do it? JJ McCarthy go, yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I still thought that was kind of nuts. Maybe franchise

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Speaker 1: or whatever was out there as well. But you're right, like,

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Speaker 1: if they get loose to the Rams, then McCarthy's gonna

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Speaker 1: be the quarterback next year. I feel like because of

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Speaker 1: the way this season ended with the Lions and then

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Speaker 1: whatever would happen here with the Rams, I think Donald

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Speaker 1: is Donald's a product of Kevin O'Connell being really good

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Speaker 1: at his job. He's a product of Justin Jefferson. He

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Speaker 1: is a product of Jordan Addison, Hockinson, all those guys.

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Speaker 1: He benefits from having those guys. He does. And I

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01:49:18,360 --> 01:49:20,920
Speaker 1: do think that he's he's a better player right now

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Speaker 1: and he's closer to the guy we thought he could

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Speaker 1: be coming out of college. But I mean, Kevin O'Connell

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Speaker 1: won with Josh Dobbs last year. He is one with

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Speaker 1: other guys. He's more Kyle Shanahan than he is Andy

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01:49:34,920 --> 01:49:36,920
Speaker 1: Reid where it has to be Mahomes or it has

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Speaker 1: to be this or whatever like that. Like he's a

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Speaker 1: guy that we've seen win with everybody throughout the course

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Speaker 1: of his career and they like you think about Brock

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01:49:45,320 --> 01:49:48,120
Speaker 1: Perdy and Nick Mullins and all the guys that Shanahan's

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Speaker 1: won with. Well, O'Connell has been able to win no

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Speaker 1: matter who's been playing quarterback for him as well, and

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Speaker 1: I think Donald is I think because of that, Donald's

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01:49:56,160 --> 01:49:58,880
Speaker 1: a system guy. And it's not a negative to say that,

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01:49:59,040 --> 01:50:02,080
Speaker 1: but he's a system and I think that that's the

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01:50:02,600 --> 01:50:05,559
Speaker 1: accurate way to kind of look at him in terms

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01:50:05,600 --> 01:50:07,879
Speaker 1: of the game, because I don't even think we've predicted

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01:50:07,880 --> 01:50:12,280
Speaker 1: the game yet. I don't know. Because the location of

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Speaker 1: the game and all the stuff that's kind of going

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Speaker 1: into it, it just feels weird. The Rams are not

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01:50:18,280 --> 01:50:19,840
Speaker 1: a team that I would want to play right now

2212
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Speaker 1: if I were the Vikings. I really don't like that

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01:50:22,760 --> 01:50:25,800
Speaker 1: for them, and it's unfortunate considering the season that they've had.

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Speaker 1: I'm tempted to go with the Rams, but I'm going

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01:50:28,680 --> 01:50:31,200
Speaker 1: to take the Vikings because of the defense and because

2216
01:50:31,200 --> 01:50:32,719
Speaker 1: of the wide receiver talent.

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01:50:34,000 --> 01:50:36,759
Speaker 2: Maybe I'm being a little too critical of Sam Darnold,

2218
01:50:36,840 --> 01:50:39,240
Speaker 2: but I actually do like the Rams. I know it's

2219
01:50:39,280 --> 01:50:43,400
Speaker 2: not a traditional home game, but Di Sager kind of

2220
01:50:43,439 --> 01:50:48,400
Speaker 2: did mention off the top, like what twenty buses around.

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01:50:48,520 --> 01:50:51,000
Speaker 2: You know, it's not going to be a Rams home game,

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01:50:51,439 --> 01:50:54,360
Speaker 2: but the Rams will probably have more fans there. It'll

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01:50:54,360 --> 01:50:57,040
Speaker 2: probably be more of a neutral site game. The Rams,

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01:50:57,080 --> 01:50:58,280
Speaker 2: by the way, are one.

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Speaker 3: Of the few teams that did beat the Vikings.

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Speaker 2: This year, so to me veteran, I know O'Connell's great,

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Speaker 2: but I trust the coach a little bit more. With

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Speaker 2: the Rams. I certainly trust the quarterback more with the Rams,

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01:51:11,240 --> 01:51:14,120
Speaker 2: and I will take the Rams to win. Also think,

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01:51:14,160 --> 01:51:17,600
Speaker 2: by the way, it's not a totally fair thing, but

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01:51:18,600 --> 01:51:22,320
Speaker 2: Rams obviously just played on a Saturday, or excuse me,

2232
01:51:23,120 --> 01:51:25,920
Speaker 2: the Vikings just played Sunday night, excuse me.

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01:51:26,439 --> 01:51:27,760
Speaker 3: And so I just I don't know.

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01:51:27,800 --> 01:51:30,720
Speaker 2: It's just I'm not ready to annoint Sam Donald yet

2235
01:51:30,760 --> 01:51:32,880
Speaker 2: and maybe I'll look stupid, but I just bring it

2236
01:51:32,920 --> 01:51:36,280
Speaker 2: up because to me, it does feel like a spot where.

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Speaker 3: The Rams go on the road for a home.

2238
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Speaker 2: Game and get the win. Fox Sports Radio er Tors

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Speaker 2: Jason Martin will come back. One segment left wrap the show.

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Speaker 1: Fox Sports Radio.

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Speaker 3: Welcome back, everybody.

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Speaker 2: Fox Sports Radio Erin Tords Jason Martin, broadcasting live from

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Speaker 2: the tire rack dot Com studios. One segment left. Bernie

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Speaker 2: Frado of The Bernie Frado Show will follow us. Cannot

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01:52:06,760 --> 01:52:09,639
Speaker 2: wait to hear what Bernie has to say about a busy, busy,

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01:52:09,720 --> 01:52:13,880
Speaker 2: busy day in the NFL, and of course looking ahead

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01:52:13,920 --> 01:52:19,479
Speaker 2: to three games on Sunday, one game on Monday. Jason,

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Speaker 2: one thing we haven't talked about NFL Draft order is

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01:52:23,880 --> 01:52:27,200
Speaker 2: set Tennessee. Tye is a team that you have covered

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Speaker 2: for years for people who do not know Jay Martin

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01:52:30,280 --> 01:52:33,960
Speaker 2: lives in Nashville. Do you get any sense of what

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01:52:34,040 --> 01:52:35,360
Speaker 2: the Titans are gonna do?

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Speaker 3: And I bring it up.

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01:52:36,360 --> 01:52:38,799
Speaker 2: We talked a little bit about Dion Sanders earlier potentially

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Speaker 2: being interested in becoming the head coach of the Las

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Speaker 2: Vegas Raiders, and even previously Dion had kind of said publicly,

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Speaker 2: we're not afraid to pull a quote Eli in other words, like, hey,

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01:52:51,160 --> 01:52:53,280
Speaker 2: if we don't like the situation, we're not afraid to

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01:52:53,320 --> 01:52:54,600
Speaker 2: kind of ruffle some feathers.

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Speaker 3: So is it gonna be cam Ward?

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Speaker 2: Obviously Abdul Carter picked up some buzz coming out of

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01:53:00,920 --> 01:53:03,160
Speaker 2: coming out of the Orange Bowl. Do you have any

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01:53:03,240 --> 01:53:06,400
Speaker 2: strong opinions on what the Titans should or will do

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01:53:06,640 --> 01:53:07,720
Speaker 2: with the number one overall pick.

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Speaker 1: I feel like if you don't have a quarterback, then

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Speaker 1: you don't have the luxury not to take one. The

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Speaker 1: problem is this is not the year you want the

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01:53:16,840 --> 01:53:20,720
Speaker 1: number one pick. This sounds like a really negative thing

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Speaker 1: to say about guys that have been excellent in college.

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Speaker 1: But do we have a feeling that cam Ward is

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Speaker 1: going to be all pro, superstar quarterback level guy. I

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Speaker 1: don't know, But if you're the Tennessee Titans. You have

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Speaker 1: to find a quarterback. The quarterback is not the best

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01:53:42,560 --> 01:53:45,559
Speaker 1: player in the draft this time. But I don't think

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01:53:45,600 --> 01:53:47,479
Speaker 1: that you have the luxury to take the best player

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Speaker 1: in the draft. I don't think you can take the

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Speaker 1: best player available at one. You either are going to

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Speaker 1: take a quarterback or you're going to trade down to

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01:53:53,360 --> 01:53:56,240
Speaker 1: someone who is going to take a quarterback and try

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01:53:56,280 --> 01:53:58,799
Speaker 1: to get multiple picks out of it. Your bigger problem

2281
01:53:58,840 --> 01:54:01,760
Speaker 1: is you got to find a general man first, and

2282
01:54:01,800 --> 01:54:03,840
Speaker 1: then you've got to figure out what his philosophy is

2283
01:54:03,840 --> 01:54:05,519
Speaker 1: going to be, because he's certainly going to want to

2284
01:54:05,520 --> 01:54:08,519
Speaker 1: come in and not probably have to deal with the

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01:54:08,600 --> 01:54:10,640
Speaker 1: quarterback scenario the way they have it this year. I

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01:54:10,640 --> 01:54:15,840
Speaker 1: heard a couple of different Titans legends this week suggesting

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01:54:16,360 --> 01:54:20,680
Speaker 1: you got to take Travis Hunter at number one and

2288
01:54:21,000 --> 01:54:24,400
Speaker 1: just ride this one more year with Levis and Mason

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01:54:24,479 --> 01:54:28,840
Speaker 1: Rudolph and then we'll look at quarterback after that. And

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Speaker 1: it's just like, I don't think you can do that.

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01:54:31,040 --> 01:54:33,160
Speaker 1: I just don't, And I don't think a general manager

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01:54:33,200 --> 01:54:35,400
Speaker 1: that's coming in here is going to allow that either.

2293
01:54:36,080 --> 01:54:41,120
Speaker 1: So my anticipation is and a lot can change my

2294
01:54:41,200 --> 01:54:43,880
Speaker 1: anticipation is they're going to take cam Ward at number one,

2295
01:54:44,360 --> 01:54:46,520
Speaker 1: because I don't think that trading out when you need

2296
01:54:46,560 --> 01:54:48,880
Speaker 1: a quarterback is what you do, even though I don't

2297
01:54:48,920 --> 01:54:52,160
Speaker 1: know that you have a number one overall pick sitting

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01:54:52,160 --> 01:54:54,360
Speaker 1: there at quarterback, or I don't think that a quarterback

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01:54:54,400 --> 01:54:57,520
Speaker 1: is necessarily worthy of that pick, even though you have

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01:54:57,560 --> 01:54:59,560
Speaker 1: a lot of holes and a quarterback is not. You're

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01:54:59,560 --> 01:55:02,400
Speaker 1: not a back away if you're Tennessee anymore. That might

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01:55:02,400 --> 01:55:06,240
Speaker 1: have been might have been true when you had Dereck Henry,

2303
01:55:06,280 --> 01:55:10,200
Speaker 1: but you don't anymore. And so with that said, I

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01:55:10,200 --> 01:55:14,480
Speaker 1: think you still have to try and build around a quarterback,

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01:55:14,560 --> 01:55:16,600
Speaker 1: and I think that you know you don't have one

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01:55:16,720 --> 01:55:20,000
Speaker 1: right now. So a general manager is not going to

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01:55:20,040 --> 01:55:21,800
Speaker 1: be able to sit around because you can't guarantee you're

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01:55:21,800 --> 01:55:23,600
Speaker 1: going to have the number one pick again. So I

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01:55:23,600 --> 01:55:27,480
Speaker 1: don't know what you're supposed to do. Really, I assume

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01:55:27,600 --> 01:55:28,880
Speaker 1: that they're going to take cam Ward.

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Speaker 2: I'll say I always feel bad for teams. I always

2312
01:55:33,840 --> 01:55:37,040
Speaker 2: feel bad for teams that are in position when they

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01:55:37,120 --> 01:55:41,400
Speaker 2: clearly need a quarterback, but there isn't obvious answers, And

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01:55:41,440 --> 01:55:42,960
Speaker 2: I think that applies to a bunch of teams. But

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Speaker 2: I mean, I even go back three four years. I mean,

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Speaker 2: and it's been a topic of conversation the last month

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01:55:48,240 --> 01:55:50,600
Speaker 2: or so, but the New York Jets like the year

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01:55:50,680 --> 01:55:53,160
Speaker 2: that they needed, they felt like they needed to take

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Speaker 2: a quarterback. They take Zach Wilson. It ends up being

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Speaker 2: the wrong pick, and it turns out that none of

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Speaker 2: the quarterbacks in that draft were any good, certainly none

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01:56:02,160 --> 01:56:04,840
Speaker 2: that were available at number two. And so I feel

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01:56:04,840 --> 01:56:08,480
Speaker 2: bad because whoever is the GM is pretty much going

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01:56:08,560 --> 01:56:11,680
Speaker 2: to be defined by do they take either cam Ward

2325
01:56:11,800 --> 01:56:14,680
Speaker 2: or Shore Sanders and I think they will, and does

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01:56:14,720 --> 01:56:16,720
Speaker 2: that guy work out or not? And if they don't,

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01:56:17,160 --> 01:56:20,080
Speaker 2: nobody's gonna remember, Oh, it was a bad quarterback draft

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01:56:20,120 --> 01:56:21,280
Speaker 2: and it's not his fault.

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01:56:21,360 --> 01:56:22,440
Speaker 3: And you know, da da da da.

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01:56:22,520 --> 01:56:24,960
Speaker 2: It's like, no, you had your shot at the quarterback,

2331
01:56:24,960 --> 01:56:27,080
Speaker 2: you whiffed, and frankly, you'll probably end up getting fired.

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01:56:27,120 --> 01:56:32,160
Speaker 2: So I always feel bad for teams and organizations in

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01:56:32,200 --> 01:56:34,600
Speaker 2: this situation. By the way, It's why I'd give Brian

2334
01:56:34,640 --> 01:56:37,720
Speaker 2: Dable another year. But even Brian Dable, it's like, are

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01:56:37,720 --> 01:56:39,800
Speaker 2: they gonna get the quarterback that they want? Is the

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01:56:39,880 --> 01:56:42,760
Speaker 2: quarterback gonna be any good? They're in the impossible spot

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01:56:42,800 --> 01:56:46,440
Speaker 2: where they're at what number three, and both teams ahead

2338
01:56:46,440 --> 01:56:48,480
Speaker 2: of them probably need a quarterback now that we know

2339
01:56:48,480 --> 01:56:50,960
Speaker 2: that Deshaun Watson is gonna be available next year. So

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01:56:51,000 --> 01:56:53,840
Speaker 2: it's just I just feel bad for these organizations. And

2341
01:56:53,880 --> 01:56:56,520
Speaker 2: I think I especially feel bad because there are so

2342
01:56:56,640 --> 01:57:00,160
Speaker 2: many teams that clearly need a quarterback this year, and

2343
01:57:00,200 --> 01:57:03,720
Speaker 2: there just aren't the guys in the draft this year.

2344
01:57:03,840 --> 01:57:07,280
Speaker 2: So it's just gonna be really interesting a minute or less.

2345
01:57:07,320 --> 01:57:09,920
Speaker 2: I don't think we have very much time, but any

2346
01:57:09,960 --> 01:57:14,040
Speaker 2: takeaways from a By the way, Cleveland Browns a number two,

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Speaker 2: we think we think they're taking a quarterback, right.

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Speaker 1: I don't know that Deshaun Watson ever plays another down

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Speaker 1: in the NFL?

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Speaker 2: Is that normal to retear your ACL before you're like,

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Speaker 2: while you're I've never heard of that before.

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Speaker 1: No, but neither was the contract that he signed and

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01:57:31,680 --> 01:57:36,480
Speaker 1: everything else, Like everything about Deshaun Watson since since the

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01:57:36,560 --> 01:57:40,760
Speaker 1: end in Houston has just been I don't even know

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Speaker 1: what to say. And you can, you can make a

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Speaker 1: lot of comments about the retearing of the ACL and

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01:57:47,240 --> 01:57:49,760
Speaker 1: all this other kind of stuff. It's just I said

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Speaker 1: this before. I just didn't ever feel right watching him

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Speaker 1: play football, sure at all, not once everything started coming

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01:57:58,640 --> 01:58:01,560
Speaker 1: out and all this kind of stuff. I hope he's

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Speaker 1: able to piece his life back together and you know,

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01:58:04,360 --> 01:58:10,200
Speaker 1: find that piece again, find that joy again, find forgiveness

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01:58:10,200 --> 01:58:14,640
Speaker 1: and all those other kinds of things. I'm cool, though,

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01:58:14,640 --> 01:58:17,840
Speaker 1: with the Deshaun Watson experiment in terms of us as

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01:58:17,840 --> 01:58:21,240
Speaker 1: a viewing public watching I'm cool if it's over and

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01:58:21,840 --> 01:58:25,840
Speaker 1: the Browns have reaped what they sewed and it's hard

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Speaker 1: to feel sympathy for them, despite the fact that a

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Speaker 1: lot of their players don't have anything to do with it.

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Speaker 1: I think it's probably better for all involved if Deshaun's

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Speaker 1: career is over.

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Speaker 2: Very interesting situation for the Cleveland Browns. I feels like

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Speaker 2: they probably have to go quarterback too. But again, yeah,

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Speaker 2: but how many quarterbacks are on the board that you

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Speaker 2: want to take, Especially, as we discussed earlier, Dion Sanders

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01:58:52,240 --> 01:58:55,280
Speaker 2: reportedly potentially with some interest in the Las Vegas Raiders

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01:58:55,360 --> 01:58:59,520
Speaker 2: job if he goes to Vegas there Obviously, Schador is

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01:58:59,520 --> 01:59:02,240
Speaker 2: not gonna play anywhere other than for the Raiders.

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Speaker 3: So you have the number two pick. If you're the Browns, it's.

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Speaker 2: Just gonna be a very interesting draft because the supply

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01:59:07,920 --> 01:59:10,280
Speaker 2: and demand of quarterback is totally out of whack.

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Speaker 3: We gotta get out of here.

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Speaker 2: Want to thank the crew, Mary mack back from her

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Speaker 2: international gallivanting all over the world.

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Speaker 3: Nice of you to join us. She was on the

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Speaker 3: boards this evening.

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Speaker 2: Producer Ian who's just been working hard unlike Mary, but

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Speaker 2: that's another conversation for another day.

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Speaker 3: We appreciate both of you.

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Speaker 2: Disager, by the way, I'm teasing Mary from my partner

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Speaker 2: Jason Martin, I'm meratorus. Make sure to download the podcast.

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