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Speaker 2: have awesome guests coming up, like next week we have
Speaker 2: Tom Wagner, which I'm super excited about.
Speaker 1: I know, and we also have Soon Haggerty coming up too.
Speaker 2: Yes, so a couple of in different ways giants of
Speaker 2: the industry, titans really titans.
Speaker 1: Soon as a petite will but her impact.
Speaker 2: Well it's large Haggarty or Haggarty or I never know
Speaker 2: exactly how to say it, but they've just their presence
Speaker 2: has grown exponentially, right.
Speaker 1: And Publand Company, Now, yeah.
Speaker 2: It's not it's like media because I always see like
Speaker 2: Jason Tomissa videos and that he works for them. And podcasts.
Speaker 2: They have a podcast Carmulogen and others. I think they
Speaker 2: obviously have the insurance, they have the auctions.
Speaker 1: And Soon's really interesting because she has been a lot
Speaker 1: of the brains and savvy behind that.
Speaker 2: All right, so I'm looking forward to that. And then
Speaker 2: Tom Wagner runs Nighthead Capital. They own at least Big
Speaker 2: Steaks in singer In, which is obviously for some reason
Speaker 2: the most important Portia restaurad company.
Speaker 1: I don't really have I mean, what have they been
Speaker 1: around fifteen years now?
Speaker 2: I think he's related to the guy from Iron Maiden, right, yes, so,
Speaker 2: and they own Revology, which is a company I'm kind
Speaker 2: of obsessed with. They build They build new nineteen sixty
Speaker 2: eight Mustangs. They obviously they own Herts, which is selling
Speaker 2: seven hundred you've heard of Herts fifty million dollars in
Speaker 2: debt right now. They own Yoda, a racing team. Oh yeah,
Speaker 2: just I think they is.
Speaker 1: This is the money behind a lot of name brands
Speaker 1: that we know and might not think that they're all
Speaker 1: actually under the same ownership.
Speaker 2: All right. All of this to say, if anybody has
Speaker 2: any questions for Soon or Tom, for Hagarty, or what
Speaker 2: should we ask Nighthead? Yeah, please message us and then
Speaker 2: we have a lot of stuff to talk about. You
Speaker 2: have a story on the terminal about a car I
Speaker 2: don't know anything about, so I'm excited. You have a
Speaker 2: story about the Huron successor the Bugatti Bugotti. So and
Speaker 2: I'm driving a couple of interesting cars. And also, you
Speaker 2: got married.
Speaker 1: I did get married on Monday. I'm so start.
Speaker 2: Let's start with that because it was so much fun
Speaker 2: and it was great. So you marry Magnus Walker. Yes,
Speaker 2: my fella, famous designer, collector, real estate magnate. Yes. Always.
Speaker 1: He's just the best. He is such a.
Speaker 2: Kind and generous person.
Speaker 1: I love him so much. He's a good man.
Speaker 2: And I was really honored to be invited to the wedding,
Speaker 2: which was on a Monday morning in Washington Square Park.
Speaker 2: And I I tell everybody that I went because I'm
Speaker 2: so excited. I'm so proud of myself. But everyone's like,
Speaker 2: why why on a Monday morning? So why why did
Speaker 2: you do it on a Monday morning?
Speaker 1: Just felt right? You know, we're not exactly conventional sorts.
Speaker 1: You know, honestly, for a month we kind of thought
Speaker 1: we might elope all together and just do a way.
Speaker 1: We wanted to keep it simple and we wanted to
Speaker 1: keep it just us, and you know, it just felt
Speaker 1: simple and nice. And I had a friend who I
Speaker 1: really wanted to be there, who was leaving for Paris
Speaker 1: Monday night. So a big reason why we had it
Speaker 1: Monday morning is because we wanted her to be able
Speaker 1: to be with us. But Washington Square is a part
Speaker 1: that Magnus really loves and is very close to where
Speaker 1: we used to live when we lived in New York,
Speaker 1: and I just love New York so much. It just
Speaker 1: felt like a great celebration sort of. It's like chaotic,
Speaker 1: and that's why I love it. You know, it just
Speaker 1: felt it felt right. I can't tell you any other reasons.
Speaker 2: I totally get I totally get it, especially Washington Square Park.
Speaker 2: I kind of grew up there too. I lived on
Speaker 2: ninth and Broadway. Then I moved to ninth and University,
Speaker 2: so I was and I was working at Generation Records,
Speaker 2: which is down on Thompson Street, so every day my
Speaker 2: walk was through Washington Square Park.
Speaker 1: I just love it. And the arches are really, you know,
Speaker 1: the big George Washington Arch. I think it commemorates George
Speaker 1: Washington's birthday or when he became the president. Or there's
Speaker 1: some George Washington times.
Speaker 2: I always thought of it as just a little arc
Speaker 2: de triomphan exactly.
Speaker 1: You know, we kind of knew would be really pretty
Speaker 1: for photos.
Speaker 2: And yeah, and you guys love Paris.
Speaker 1: Also, yeah, we do love Paris. We do have that tattoo.
Speaker 1: So so it just felt, you know, we just wanted
Speaker 1: something that felt simple and intimate and easy, and yeah,
Speaker 1: I guess that's the answer. It's sort of easy, breezy,
Speaker 1: felt natural and was fun. We had the best time.
Speaker 2: It was great. It was great, and it was like,
Speaker 2: you know, when the sky's clear for an event, yes,
Speaker 2: because I was worried that, you know, people would be moving,
Speaker 2: like a drum circle would come over and then like
Speaker 2: a marathon would run through the.
Speaker 1: Protests, an interpretive dance, someone on bombed.
Speaker 2: All that happened before and after, like immediately after, but
Speaker 2: when during the actual ceremony, like everything worked out perfectly.
Speaker 1: I think the Monday morning thing really helped with that
Speaker 1: because with Sunday we did go down there around the
Speaker 1: same time in the morning and it was pretty busy.
Speaker 1: But Monday, you know, everyone's going to work, and it
Speaker 1: really I kind of just like going with the flow.
Speaker 1: And trusting the universe that we found our little pocket
Speaker 1: and it worked out.
Speaker 2: It was very cool. I loved meeting your family.
Speaker 1: They're big fans of you met. They're very big, they
Speaker 1: listened to the podcast.
Speaker 2: I'm big fans of them as well. Meeting your sister
Speaker 2: and meeting your dad. And I also loved meeting all
Speaker 2: of your friends, who I didn't know who they were
Speaker 2: when I was meeting them, so it was like meeting
Speaker 2: them as normal people. But then I'm also a fan
Speaker 2: of their work because I realized afterwards that, oh, I
Speaker 2: follow you on Instagram.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, I love that that happened. I love
Speaker 1: I love that. You know. That was part of the goal,
Speaker 1: just that people would feel comfortable and chummy and chatty
Speaker 1: and it would feel really natural.
Speaker 2: I hope we can get some of them to be
Speaker 2: guests on the podcast, like Eli fascinating dude, Yes, Porsham alone.
Speaker 1: Yes, I mean yeah, all those guys. Yeah, they they
Speaker 1: got interesting stuff to say.
Speaker 2: Well, it was great, Thanks for you for having me.
Speaker 1: It was really it was really fun. We honestly wouldn't
Speaker 1: change a thing. I will say I highly recommend doing
Speaker 1: a wedding that suits you and you know, you get
Speaker 1: so wrapped up into doing a wedding for other people.
Speaker 1: And I understand why that happens, but I I highly
Speaker 1: recommend keeping it as simple as you can and just
Speaker 1: telling people we love you so much and we're doing
Speaker 1: it to suit us, and it's very freeing.
Speaker 2: Awesome, awesome. Well it was. It was such a cool event.
Speaker 1: I told Magnus, I'm going to commit to learning more
Speaker 1: about the Grateful Dead because I feel really bad whenever
Speaker 1: you refer to them, which you do quite frequently. I
Speaker 1: have nothing, Like, I got nothing. I couldn't tell you
Speaker 1: a single song. I couldn't tell you who's in the band.
Speaker 1: I sort of know Jerry Garcia is, but I think
Speaker 1: he died. But I will make a commitment. I'm going
Speaker 1: to try to listen to some of their music and
Speaker 1: I will do some research.
Speaker 2: I mean, I can help you with this, OK, yeah,
Speaker 2: which direction? I can tell you that. So for my
Speaker 2: whole middle school and high school career, part of my
Speaker 2: personality was that I didn't like the Grateful Dead.
Speaker 1: That was part of your identity.
Speaker 2: I mean all of my identities, right, So all my
Speaker 2: friends love the Dead, and I like rebelled violently against it.
Speaker 2: Proclaiming it country music and saying like, how can you
Speaker 2: listen to this crap? And I only listened to like
Speaker 2: metal and industrial, you know, ministry. But when I when
Speaker 2: I was dropped at high school, kicked out of my house,
Speaker 2: I opened a record store downtown with some friends of
Speaker 2: mine from Second Coming, and we sold bootlegs CDs of
Speaker 2: live concerts, and so the customer always wants to hear
Speaker 2: the quality of the concert. So I my job was
Speaker 2: every day just playing these over and over again, and
Speaker 2: through that I became a huge fan of the music. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and not on purpose, like trying not to.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that is really wow. So what you said it
Speaker 1: was country country like this, I mean that's where I think,
Speaker 1: what were the reasons that you were saying it wasn't
Speaker 1: super Well.
Speaker 2: I was only listening to like A C.
Speaker 1: D C.
Speaker 2: And Black Sabbath. It wasn't and exactly it was. It
Speaker 2: didn't have that doesn't have that vibe at all.
Speaker 1: Now, So why do people like The Grateful.
Speaker 2: Dead, Well, it's I think if you listen to it
Speaker 2: in the right and you're in the right moment, if
Speaker 2: you're in the right space, you do not have to
Speaker 2: be on drugs at all. In fact, I got, I
Speaker 2: really got into it. It will open you up and
Speaker 2: it's just the music will take you and make you
Speaker 2: your life better. I think I don't know how to
Speaker 2: describe it. Well, I haven't really thought.
Speaker 1: About it, but I will go in with an open heart.
Speaker 2: And I started going to shows also luckily before Jerry died,
Speaker 2: but still I love going to Dead and Company and
Speaker 2: I take Edna to Grateful Dead cover bands, and so
Speaker 2: I recommend you start with Cornell.
Speaker 1: Because it's got an album.
Speaker 2: It's a show that they did in nineteen seven.
Speaker 1: A live show, yes at Cornell.
Speaker 2: At Cornell University of Barton Hall, and it's like the best,
Speaker 2: and that's what got me really into it.
Speaker 1: So okay, that's the starting point, noted.
Speaker 2: But also you might not like it. Some people don't
Speaker 2: like the Grateful Dead.
Speaker 1: You know, I'll give it a fair shot, give it
Speaker 1: the old College.
Speaker 2: In that case, I think you will because you also,
Speaker 2: I've never got I mean the whole history of like
Speaker 2: Jerry and Bobby and pig Pen and like the whole crew,
Speaker 2: like yes in San Francisco and the hate and Yes,
Speaker 2: it's like so like if you read Tom Wolfe's Electric
Speaker 2: Kool Aid Acid Tests, which is a great book.
Speaker 1: Yes, part of the cannon really.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and then the Dead is in that book because
Speaker 2: they do the acid test or they take part in
Speaker 2: the acid tests Alseie's Acid Tests and it's okay, so cool, Okay,
Speaker 2: all right, Wait what kind of music? What is like
Speaker 2: it for you? Like? What music occupies your soul?
Speaker 1: Honestly like synth bands, like I really like churches. I
Speaker 1: really like boy Harsher, I really like I kind of
Speaker 1: like Grimes, you know, like her early stuff. Like honestly
Speaker 1: like everyone that came that sort of came from, like
Speaker 1: a Kate Bush or a Daft Punk, but like future
Speaker 1: generations that that developed after them. That type of sound
Speaker 1: really resonates with me. But I like, I like a
Speaker 1: lot of things, you know. I like jay Z, I
Speaker 1: like Mariah Carey. I mean, I will go to my
Speaker 1: grave saying Mariah Carey is underappreciated. I love and I
Speaker 1: am proud to say I love shot A Like shot A,
Speaker 1: I will listen to all of them. O s Big
Speaker 1: Mama Thornton is. I listened to her on Sundays. She's church.
Speaker 2: But if you're putting together your like the playlist for
Speaker 2: your wedding, for example, or for your funeral. Is it
Speaker 2: gonna be synthpop?
Speaker 1: No? No, no, I couldn't tell you who that would be.
Speaker 1: I don't have to let you know.
Speaker 2: All right, let's talk about cars a little bit, yes, uh,
Speaker 2: and start with the Bugatti Success. Well, let's start first
Speaker 2: with a Z four because I drove it to your wedding.
Speaker 2: Yes you did. How was that so? I had it?
Speaker 2: You know, a B M W. Let me drive the
Speaker 2: new Z four M forty I and I will say
Speaker 2: the first day I drove it, I didn't really like it.
Speaker 1: The drive perform I.
Speaker 2: Felt like I felt like there wasn't enough weight on
Speaker 2: the front, and the brakes were a little bit scary
Speaker 2: when I had to use them in a hurry. But
Speaker 2: after that, and I did like a little video review
Speaker 2: with the camera guy here and I said kind of
Speaker 2: all that stuff, And then after that, for the rest
Speaker 2: of the week, I loved it.
Speaker 1: What changed?
Speaker 2: I guess I just had to get used to going
Speaker 2: from a Dodge Challenger, Oh yeah, to a little two
Speaker 2: seater convertible. It's a totally different feel. So obviously in
Speaker 2: the Challenger, all of the weight is on the front, right,
Speaker 2: and here it's a fifty to fifty. The Z four
Speaker 2: is a fifty to fifty balance, so it's a very
Speaker 2: different kind of driving experience. But I got immediately addicted
Speaker 2: to it and started driving it like everywhere. I started
Speaker 2: making excuses. I started picking people up at the airport,
Speaker 2: which no, yeah, in Scarsdale to LaGuardia, I was like, oh,
Speaker 2: I'll pick her up, Yeah, I'll drop her off. I
Speaker 2: even took someone to JFK. What so I made like
Speaker 2: three airport trip.
Speaker 1: That's unbelievable.
Speaker 2: I did it at off like off peak hours, so
Speaker 2: I could really drive the car. And I think also
Speaker 2: sometimes I forget how much I love driving a manual transmission.
Speaker 1: Oh he didn't mention that it's a man Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: a stick.
Speaker 2: In fact, I think it's I think there are only
Speaker 2: three two door soft tops that you can get with
Speaker 2: a stick in production these days.
Speaker 1: That's fun.
Speaker 2: I think the only choices if you want that experience,
Speaker 2: which is like the classic six speed yeah driving experience.
Speaker 2: I think the only thing you can get as a
Speaker 2: Miata huh, the Z four or a Porsche.
Speaker 1: Box dr And where does the price of the Z
Speaker 1: four middle of the tube, but not not.
Speaker 2: As much as exactly. So I think a Miata is
Speaker 2: about four right optioned out the way you want it.
Speaker 2: The Z four is about seventy five, a little bit
Speaker 2: less optioned out the way you want it, which seemed
Speaker 2: kind of expensive. But then I then I put together
Speaker 2: a boxter on you know, the configurator and the way
Speaker 2: I would want it. For a box, well, I want
Speaker 2: the four point zhay, you know, but it's I think
Speaker 2: a good deal. At first I thought that's very expensive,
Speaker 2: but yes, A Now I love the weight balance B
Speaker 2: the breaks you do have to dig a little to
Speaker 2: get them to stop, but you get used to that.
Speaker 1: It has a steering. How tight is this?
Speaker 2: I thought the steering was great. It's not overly tight.
Speaker 2: It's not. It's not like an M car, even though
Speaker 2: it's the M forty I. But it doesn't have the
Speaker 2: S fifty eight as the B fifty eight in line six,
Speaker 2: so it's great. Three hundred and I don't know, three
Speaker 2: hundred and sixty No, three hundred and eighty two horse
Speaker 2: power I think so it's more than enough. And just
Speaker 2: rowing your own gears is so much fun.
Speaker 1: Very curious. You mentioned driving people to the airport, and
Speaker 1: of course my mind instantly goes to luggage space in
Speaker 1: the trunk.
Speaker 2: It's surprisingly roomy in the trunk the top down, with.
Speaker 1: The top down, yes, luggage space.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's not one of those convertibles where when you
Speaker 2: put the top down you can't fit anything in the trunk.
Speaker 2: My brother had a Kmaro like that.
Speaker 1: When Yeah, totally useless.
Speaker 2: The first car I ever wrecked was a Renault Gta,
Speaker 2: which was the same, like, no, in this even when
Speaker 2: you put the top down, the trunk is big enough
Speaker 2: for a huge My goddaughter's suitcase fit in there. And
Speaker 2: she's a seventeen year old girl who came to State
Speaker 2: of this for two weeks.
Speaker 1: So that's the truth too.
Speaker 2: It's big wow. Yeah, Like I don't personally think I
Speaker 2: need the convertible experience on a regular back.
Speaker 1: My next question like, how are you with convertibles in general?
Speaker 1: I think the wind buffeting there's none, okay, because.
Speaker 2: Some genius engineered that thing, and there's no wind buffeting
Speaker 2: with the top down, okay. But I always think, like,
Speaker 2: you know, I'm configuring nine to eleven's like all day,
Speaker 2: every day, and I always like, I like the shoulder
Speaker 2: line of the nine to eleven cabriolet.
Speaker 1: With THEO but with the top up. I don't.
Speaker 2: I do not, But in real life I'm I'm not
Speaker 2: really going to put the top down because I'm bald,
Speaker 2: for one, so I have to wear a hat. It's
Speaker 2: way too hot, you know, unless you live in like
Speaker 2: the northern parts of Scandinavia. It's too hot. And it's loud.
Speaker 1: It's loud.
Speaker 2: This isn't actually it's this isn't. It's like a little
Speaker 2: too loud to be on a conference call. I did
Speaker 2: a couple of conference calls with the top down, and
Speaker 2: also in New York City. That's not a great experience.
Speaker 2: But I have to say I came away thinking I've
Speaker 2: always wondered why BMW doesn't make the Z eight again,
Speaker 2: because I think it's such a gorgeous car. And this
Speaker 2: is I think worthy of being a Z eight successor,
Speaker 2: whereas the Z three never was. I don't think it
Speaker 2: was intended to be. And also it's not.
Speaker 1: You need something a little brawnier than that.
Speaker 2: This is big. I think it's I think it's about
Speaker 2: the size of a Z eight in terms of the dimensions,
Speaker 2: and it's a beautiful design.
Speaker 1: What color was the car that you had.
Speaker 2: It was called Frozen Deep Green Metallic, so it was
Speaker 2: one of the Matt colors. Normally I'm not a fan
Speaker 2: of Matt finishes, but it really worked for me. I'm
Speaker 2: a car wash guy, so that's a problem because you
Speaker 2: can't take it to a car wash it'll ruin it.
Speaker 2: So instead I washed it myself in the driveway. Did
Speaker 2: the girls help, Yes, Edna help, Well, you could say help.
Speaker 2: It wasn't really a help, but she definitely was there
Speaker 2: doing support. Yeah, and yeah, I just came away thinking, like,
Speaker 2: even though so I'm six three, I was a little
Speaker 2: bit cramped.
Speaker 1: What about the foot room? Speaking of cramp like in
Speaker 1: the football wee.
Speaker 2: Shifting Natasha, Yeah, seat, she said she had more than
Speaker 2: enough room.
Speaker 1: That's a tall woman and she would let you know.
Speaker 2: She told me she was recently in a jag two
Speaker 2: seater and there was not enough time. Yeah, and this
Speaker 2: was there was more than enough room for me. I
Speaker 2: felt a little cramped because you know, I'm used to
Speaker 2: giant vehicles, so I'm used to Like right now, I'm
Speaker 2: driving the Hummer EV. It's huge. I'm used to big trucks.
Speaker 2: But I found myself thinking I would take this. I
Speaker 2: don't care that it's a little bit tight for a
Speaker 2: huge person like me, because the trade off for that motor,
Speaker 2: which is sonorous like it sounds beautiful and that transmission amazing,
Speaker 2: And once I got used to the weight balance so fun.
Speaker 2: I really loved it. I really did.
Speaker 1: I mean the fact that you're doing multiple trips to
Speaker 1: the airport says everything. Yeah, that's a good litmus test
Speaker 1: a thing.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Cool.
Speaker 2: So that was your wedding car for me.
Speaker 1: Love. I love it because you went back uptown to
Speaker 1: get the car.
Speaker 2: Yeah, drive it back down right because I had to
Speaker 2: anchor a TV show until ten. Yeah, your ceremonies at
Speaker 2: ten thirty. And I knew I wouldn't make it from here,
Speaker 2: which is like Bloomingdale's down the Washington Square Park in
Speaker 2: a car. I quickly took the subway down, which was awesome,
Speaker 2: very quick. I love in efficient, and then I came
Speaker 2: back to get it to drive to the reception. Plus
Speaker 2: I plus I I realized I could take Natasha down.
Speaker 2: So that was a good use.
Speaker 1: You appreciate it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm always skeptical when I drive a new BMW,
Speaker 2: and I typically come away impressed.
Speaker 1: I had skeptical because.
Speaker 2: There's so many haters, you know, online I spend too
Speaker 2: much time in forums. Everybody's mad that it's not like
Speaker 2: it used to be, or that it isn't you know,
Speaker 2: like an E forty six M three or an E thirty.
Speaker 1: You know, I find that ninety nine of people in
Speaker 1: online forums haven't actually driven the vehicle. It may be
Speaker 1: the case, so therefore I take their opinion with a
Speaker 1: lot of grains of salt.
Speaker 2: But I also usually have the first day I drive, like,
Speaker 2: for example, the I five, I drove that and I thought, okay,
Speaker 2: not for me, and for most of the rest of
Speaker 2: the week, I just drove my car. I had it
Speaker 2: for a week, and then the last day I drove
Speaker 2: it like an anger, you know, up to the mountain
Speaker 2: and it was amazing.
Speaker 1: Maybe that's what it needed.
Speaker 2: And I think a lot of a lot of these
Speaker 2: vehicles you need to have more than a half hour
Speaker 2: seat time in them.
Speaker 1: Yes, well that's for sure, because I do think maybe
Speaker 1: first impressions are informative, but they can't be the only impression.
Speaker 2: Because you're used to you're you're still feeling what you
Speaker 2: got out of right completely and it takes a while
Speaker 2: to transition your muscle memory.
Speaker 1: I agree, I completely agree. Yeah, so how's the Hummer.
Speaker 2: We'll get to that. I want to hear about the
Speaker 2: body successor Okay, and then because we because we both
Speaker 2: have driven the Hummer and we and yeah it's you
Speaker 2: probably can guess how it is kind of anyway. I
Speaker 2: want to hear about this because I did love driving
Speaker 2: the Charon.
Speaker 1: I always say, chirn, Now, why do you say that
Speaker 1: because you're in news.
Speaker 2: You know what? Because that's one of those things where
Speaker 2: I said it to myself in my head for years
Speaker 2: before I ever said it to anyone else out loud. Yes,
Speaker 2: you know, it was out forever before I finally got
Speaker 2: a chance to drive it. I went up to the
Speaker 2: bilster Berg in Germany and I drove it with Stephen Winkleman,
Speaker 2: whoa on the track.
Speaker 1: That's a good drive. It was a good first drive.
Speaker 2: It was very fun. I'd never driven anything with sixteen
Speaker 2: cylinders and for turbo chart anyway, it was amazing. But
Speaker 2: I'm interesting to see what they follow that up with.
Speaker 2: I don't even know what there's a call.
Speaker 1: It's called a turbion, turbion, the Bugatti turbion, and it's
Speaker 1: not a w sixteen. Act noally, no, it's a V
Speaker 1: sixteen hybrid.
Speaker 2: Interesting hybrid, I get because you can do so much
Speaker 2: and yeah, we.
Speaker 1: Know, yeah, yeah, but it's a it's a V sixteen,
Speaker 1: it's eighteen hundred horse power. This is the first time
Speaker 1: they've ever obviously done this type of configuration. Top speed
Speaker 1: they're saying is about two hundred and seventy six miles
Speaker 1: per hour. And they they they're saying like, this is
Speaker 1: actually the hardest configuration choice for following up the Sharon,
Speaker 1: Like they could have done another W sixteen, they could
Speaker 1: have gone full electric, they could have tried to do
Speaker 1: something different, and this was like the most difficult option
Speaker 1: for them, So of course, and yeah, so of course,
Speaker 1: and you know, they kind of justify it, like, Okay,
Speaker 1: obviously Bugatti Rimac is a company together.
Speaker 2: Now I still don't understand the configurations.
Speaker 1: Really, Yeah, So Portia and Rimac formed a joint venture
Speaker 1: in twenty twenty one that incorporated Bugatti. Is the easiest
Speaker 1: way that I can say that.
Speaker 2: Finally someone explains it to me, so I understand it.
Speaker 1: And so mate Rimac, who's the CEO of that group,
Speaker 1: who oversees electric which is the electric Yes, is also
Speaker 1: overseeing Bugatti, so now of course they're sharing everything, which
Speaker 1: is good for Bugatti. And honestly, I don't know when
Speaker 1: the idea to make the Charon success or a hybrid developed,
Speaker 1: because at one point it did seem like they were
Speaker 1: thinking that Bugotti could go electric, and the thing nudging
Speaker 1: that was within VW. What role was Bugotti going to
Speaker 1: play Because a big part of VW's business strategy for
Speaker 1: the next decade is electrics, centered around electrics and electric technology.
Speaker 1: So when you have one hundred and fifteen year old
Speaker 1: brand that's made its bread and butter on massive internal
Speaker 1: combustion engines, how does that fit. So part of the
Speaker 1: reason why portion Rimac joined together and incorporated Bugatti was
Speaker 1: to help figure out where Bugatti would fit into VW
Speaker 1: group in a broader sense. And apparently this hybrid car,
Speaker 1: the Urbion, is their answer. And Matte Rimac was on
Speaker 1: Bloomberg TV and he said, basically, they've decided that Bugatti
Speaker 1: still needs to have an element of analog in it.
Speaker 2: I hope so.
Speaker 1: Yes. I think that's really where they landed, that this
Speaker 1: is such an old company, it's a French company, it
Speaker 1: needs to have an element of analog something that can
Speaker 1: be timeless. And they're sort of sensing that cars with
Speaker 1: a lot of screens and computers may look out dated
Speaker 1: in ten years, because obviously technology is evolving so quickly.
Speaker 1: So the only way to really stay timeless and classic
Speaker 1: and to know that your car in fifty years on
Speaker 1: a lawn is going to look timeless in classic is
Speaker 1: still to maintain some sense of analog.
Speaker 2: Thank God, who someone's getting that?
Speaker 1: Yeah, So I thought that was really interesting. It makes sense.
Speaker 1: I don't think that's just marketing speak. I actually think
Speaker 1: that is accurate for them. It seems logical.
Speaker 2: It seems like are the other bit Like you've driven
Speaker 2: the new Rolls.
Speaker 1: Royce, the Specter, the Electric is it.
Speaker 2: Also fairly analog? They don't have a ton of screens
Speaker 2: in it, do they?
Speaker 1: No, they've got it. They've got a screen that you
Speaker 1: can hide if you want. And actually there is a
Speaker 1: screen in this new Bougatti the term be on. There
Speaker 1: is a screen that is hidden at the top of
Speaker 1: the dash. You can make it appear by pushing a button.
Speaker 1: But some interesting things in this one are if you
Speaker 1: have there's if you have the screen hidden, you start
Speaker 1: it and stop it by pulling a lever like the
Speaker 1: old bugattis like you literally pull a lever and push
Speaker 1: a lever to turn it on and turn it off nice.
Speaker 1: On top of the steering wheel is a three gauge
Speaker 1: cluster that looks like sort of a mechanical watch. And
Speaker 1: I think this is all tied in with the name.
Speaker 1: And the steering wheel turns around those gauges, so those
Speaker 1: gauges are station they're planted in the center of the
Speaker 1: steering wheel.
Speaker 2: So and yeah, you said exactly. That's the kind of
Speaker 2: watch that you can sort of see through.
Speaker 1: It is a component in a watch that basically helps
Speaker 1: it keep time. It basically makes the watch keep time
Speaker 1: and keeps it on track basically.
Speaker 2: For from my understanding, well, usually when they have the
Speaker 2: edition of a watch, that means you can see through it.
Speaker 1: And right, the fact that you're seeing through it just
Speaker 1: means they're showing off, rightbo this thing that rotates the
Speaker 1: components to increase accuracy.
Speaker 2: Okay, that's in a wristwatch. That's very cool.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so it's I do think it's cool. I mean,
Speaker 1: the car itself kind of looks like a Sharon It
Speaker 1: looks kind of the same.
Speaker 2: The doors it was a good look.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the doors open up instead of out, they open
Speaker 1: up in like you know, billionaire doors.
Speaker 2: Sure, if you have three Commas in your net worth,
Speaker 2: that's a car for you.
Speaker 1: There you go, there you go. And you know the
Speaker 1: price here is three point eight million euros, so that's
Speaker 1: like four point one million dollars. So yeah, price, the
Speaker 1: price is gone up. They're going to make two hundred
Speaker 1: and fifty of them. Deliveries are going to begin in
Speaker 1: twenty twenty six. It's exciting, you know, it seems like
Speaker 1: a natural.
Speaker 2: They went with a V twelve instead of the W.
Speaker 1: I was very surprised.
Speaker 2: And the V sixteen, sorry, a V sixteen instead of
Speaker 2: a W sixteen. So I guess they just put two
Speaker 2: inline eights together in a sense.
Speaker 1: I don't I honestly don't know. That's I don't know.
Speaker 2: That's strange because the the reason was at W sixteen,
Speaker 2: I guess was that they had two V eights bolted together.
Speaker 2: That's how I thought of it in my head. And
Speaker 2: they also the Volkswagen Group does this right because Bentley
Speaker 2: has the W twelve, sure right, so.
Speaker 1: W is kind of there thinking of going away.
Speaker 2: With interesting And did they put the U is the
Speaker 2: electric component, like it's on the front.
Speaker 1: At two on the front, one on the back. Eighteen
Speaker 1: hundred horsepower total.
Speaker 2: Okay, the top.
Speaker 1: Speed of two seventy six. I did ask if they'll
Speaker 1: be doing any variants that would potentially go for a
Speaker 1: world record, you know land speed, right.
Speaker 2: Because the went over three hundred.
Speaker 1: You know, they don't want to comment on that. No,
Speaker 1: you know it's a it's a no comment. But I
Speaker 1: think maybe we could think about that. I don't see
Speaker 1: why not.
Speaker 2: It's interesting that Remac. I wonder if they would go
Speaker 2: for it.
Speaker 1: I feel like, I mean with a Nevara there. Remember
Speaker 1: last year at during Pebble Brimaca just set a record
Speaker 1: I'm gonna not remember.
Speaker 2: Yes, it was the fastest in reverse, right, Yeah?
Speaker 1: Was that it? I knew it was something kind of quirky,
Speaker 1: So yeah, you like care about records, which half the
Speaker 1: time I'm like, does anyone care at all?
Speaker 2: I mean, that's one that probably no. But also like
Speaker 2: if James Bond is going to use that car, they
Speaker 2: could make something of that. You know, he has to
Speaker 2: go backwards super fast?
Speaker 1: There you go?
Speaker 2: Well cool, I had I'd say Bugatti is another one
Speaker 2: of those when I first saw the veyrone, I thought,
Speaker 2: this is ugly and I didn't like it. And also
Speaker 2: the first few times I saw the chirone, I didn't
Speaker 2: really love it, but it grew on me same and
Speaker 2: by the time they did they did like a one
Speaker 2: hundred and ten year anniversary edition that was like blue
Speaker 2: on blue, and I think that.
Speaker 1: Was their last addition that like that is that's coming
Speaker 1: off the production line like this year, and then that's it.
Speaker 2: I thought it was beautiful, yeah.
Speaker 1: Or maybe it already has, so it might have already.
Speaker 2: I wish somebody would daily drive one of these kind
Speaker 2: of cars. You know, some people do. No, I don't
Speaker 2: think so. I think they keep them low mileage. I
Speaker 2: saw on Bring a Trailer there was I think a
Speaker 2: nineteen ninety three nine to six y four turbo that
Speaker 2: had one hundred and seventy thousand miles or something.
Speaker 1: Did it sell?
Speaker 2: No, it's still it still goes. As we speak, it's
Speaker 2: still going. And it was at one fifty and I thought, wow,
Speaker 2: you know what, I'd rather have that than one that
Speaker 2: has like seventeen miles, because you know it's going to
Speaker 2: work completely.
Speaker 1: It's actually it's been tried and tested and yeah.
Speaker 2: And obviously that's not the same league as a as
Speaker 2: a Bugatti, but it would be cool if somebody bought
Speaker 2: a Bugatti or Pegani, you know, and then daily drove it.
Speaker 2: He used it like from you know, uh, Greenwich to
Speaker 2: the city every day. Yeah.
Speaker 1: And the thing about the bugattis that I think separate
Speaker 1: it separate them a little bit from other million, multimillion
Speaker 1: dollar cars is the cab The interior cabins of the
Speaker 1: Bugattis are like Bentley level of comforts and just sort
Speaker 1: of opulence where I I think, you know, even in
Speaker 1: the Remacnavara it's a little more utilitarian, it's a little
Speaker 1: more minimal, or something like the Peninferina Batista. You know,
Speaker 1: those are multimillion dollar electric hypercars, but their interiors are
Speaker 1: not quite as cushy as the Bugatti. So like to
Speaker 1: your point, you could live in it and be comfortable.
Speaker 2: True, do you think it's Do you think Bugatti is
Speaker 2: at the same level of luxury and design as Pegani,
Speaker 2: Because I feel like Pegani, like every single piece is
Speaker 2: machined out of aircraft grade aluminum, and they're maybe over
Speaker 2: designed in.
Speaker 1: I don't find Pegani as usable or as practical or
Speaker 1: you know, to be honest, I've never driven a Pegani.
Speaker 1: I've been driven in a Pegani, but they did not
Speaker 1: want me to drive it, which I'm instantly skeptical of.
Speaker 1: You know, they wanted to drive me in it, but
Speaker 1: they wouldn't let me drive it. So of course, you know,
Speaker 1: I wonder why I.
Speaker 2: Feel like Pegani is heavier on the design element and
Speaker 2: not as much on the engine, you know, because they
Speaker 2: buy those motors from Daimler.
Speaker 1: It's harder.
Speaker 2: Bugatti is all about the engineering, right of.
Speaker 1: Course, and it comes from you know, you can't compare
Speaker 1: one hundred and fifteen years of automaking like that. You
Speaker 1: can't buy that. It just is to me that is
Speaker 1: such credibility and authority and authenticity. And then to have
Speaker 1: the backing of VW Group, it's tough to compete with
Speaker 1: that in any way, you know. And then with the
Speaker 1: technology of Rimac, it's like, I mean, that's your dream
Speaker 1: team basically.
Speaker 2: I suppose. Yeah, I just like Pegani has like a
Speaker 2: smaller workshop, factory workshop, and they are building more like
Speaker 2: one at a time. Yeah, I mean, whereas Pugatti they
Speaker 2: could be building like five or six at a time practically, yeah,
Speaker 2: but you're.
Speaker 1: Still I mean, it took them years to make all
Speaker 1: five hundred of the Sharon. I think they made five
Speaker 1: hundred total, and it took them years to do that,
Speaker 1: so it's not like they're mass producing.
Speaker 2: If I'd either one, I would daily drive it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, cool, I hope you would.
Speaker 2: I'm driving something that's crazy, right, So the Hummer EV
Speaker 2: is just crazy in a lot of ways, and I'm
Speaker 2: glad that you have driven it too.
Speaker 1: Do you think it's a crazy idea, like not a
Speaker 1: good idea?
Speaker 2: No, I think it's a very good idea, like everyone
Speaker 2: wanted to at the time, like we're all going green.
Speaker 2: It's one hundred percent EV. There wasn't any backlash yet,
Speaker 2: you know. It was still like this musk is a
Speaker 2: god for saving the world, you know, and everyone has
Speaker 2: to drive an EV and you couldn't even be mad
Speaker 2: about it, like you had to agree.
Speaker 1: That this is our future.
Speaker 2: And so I love that. Mary Bearra and Mark Royce
Speaker 2: are like, Okay, I see your sixty five kilowat hour
Speaker 2: battery and I am going to raise it to a
Speaker 2: two hundred and ten kilo hour battery. I mean this
Speaker 2: is a ten thousand pound vehicle. I don't know actually
Speaker 2: how much.
Speaker 1: It weighs, but well they wouldn't tell me, but they said,
Speaker 1: I'm guessing it told me it was over nine.
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, So this thing is so gigantic. Obviously it's
Speaker 2: a hummer, so not like the H two or the
Speaker 2: H three. It's supposed to mimic the H one like
Speaker 2: an actual military vehicle. It's wide enough that I can't
Speaker 2: reach my wife, you know, if she's sitting in the
Speaker 2: passenger seat and I'm driving and it does zero sixty
Speaker 2: and three and a half seconds.
Speaker 1: Did you do launch mode?
Speaker 2: Yes?
Speaker 1: I mean, of.
Speaker 2: Course to freedom, which is like God to half the country.
Speaker 2: That's an offensive sprase.
Speaker 1: I know. I wasn't going to repeat it.
Speaker 2: I love it. I mean the thing is, if you're
Speaker 2: going to do it, do it right for a penny,
Speaker 2: in for a pound.
Speaker 1: So I agree with that.
Speaker 2: It has these little American flag like indentations on the side,
Speaker 2: which is perfect. Yeah, you know, my I have a
Speaker 2: My French neighbor was like, yeah, if a redneck with
Speaker 2: a lot of money it wants to buy an EV
Speaker 2: this is it, you know.
Speaker 1: So weird because you're right, like since twenty twenty two.
Speaker 1: I drove in twenty twenty two, and I think it
Speaker 1: sort of just come out, and like evs are way
Speaker 1: more political now, yeah than even then. And it's totally
Speaker 1: weird because it is an EV, but it's got all
Speaker 1: these you know, patriotic things, and it's really sad that, like,
Speaker 1: if you take them on their own, an EV doesn't
Speaker 1: mean anything. The flag is not a political thing. It
Speaker 1: should unite us.
Speaker 2: What I love about it is that so people who
Speaker 2: are anti EV will go on a rant about no
Speaker 2: tailpipe emissions, but they'll go on a rant about the
Speaker 2: production and you know, some eleven year old is mining
Speaker 2: all the cobalt for this, and I get that, you know,
Speaker 2: And but EV fans are like, you know, they'll push back.
Speaker 2: They'll say it's still a greener vehicle than an ICEEE vehicle.
Speaker 2: But even this is an EV that even EV people hate, you.
Speaker 1: Know, that's true.
Speaker 2: They feel like and by the.
Speaker 1: Way, it's just ridiculous. It is ridiculous.
Speaker 2: I was driving through town and Carsdale the other day.
Speaker 2: I realized, if I lose control and I run up
Speaker 2: on the curb, I'm gonna go up over the curb
Speaker 2: and just like knock over that whole family, like it
Speaker 2: could be a dangerous.
Speaker 1: Vehicle driving wise, what did you think?
Speaker 2: I mean, it doesn't. At first You're like, this is
Speaker 2: too wide, but that goes away in like literally two
Speaker 2: and a half minutes. For me, I guess I'm used
Speaker 2: to driving like the F two fifty or the big
Speaker 2: Silverado twenty five hundred, so it doesn't feel that much
Speaker 2: bigger than a heavy duty truck.
Speaker 1: And how has your range been?
Speaker 2: I have been abusing it for the last couple of days,
Speaker 2: and I think I started with three hundred and fifty
Speaker 2: miles and I have two seventy left. That's pretty good
Speaker 2: it is. I expected it to have like a huge
Speaker 2: churning radius, like it'd have to do like five point turns,
Speaker 2: but it's got a better turning radius than any of
Speaker 2: the other vehicles in my driveway. Yeah. I tried the
Speaker 2: crab walk. It's obviously gimmicky and I couldn't really can
Speaker 2: troll it that well, but it was still fun to
Speaker 2: have tried.
Speaker 1: And did you use the super cruise at all?
Speaker 2: Did they not yet? Okay, I haven't been in a
Speaker 2: super cruise situation because I'm just driving from Sarsdale to
Speaker 2: New York and back.
Speaker 1: I'm still a little like, you can't use it all
Speaker 1: the time.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think even when I use uh, you know
Speaker 2: BMW's whatever, they're kind of semi self driving technology, is
Speaker 2: I only use it like when I'm on the A five,
Speaker 2: you know, to Carlsrue and I'm not going to turn
Speaker 2: for fifty miles. But I think it's probably up there
Speaker 2: with the best of them. I don't really care about
Speaker 2: that so much. I like a lot of room, a
Speaker 2: luxurious cockpit, and you know, fun stuff, so like having
Speaker 2: thirty fives on this double wide suv is fun.
Speaker 1: Okay. I'm going to push back a little bit on
Speaker 1: the luxurious cockpit because I mean thinking it Okay, okay,
Speaker 1: you're saying it was capacious. Which cockpit? Yes, because I
Speaker 1: would say it's it's like inside from what I remember,
Speaker 1: it was extremely utilitarian, you know, like kind of the
Speaker 1: inside of a truck.
Speaker 2: My thought was the designers did this on purpose so
Speaker 2: that when they update the car, they'll have something to
Speaker 2: make better.
Speaker 1: Now, why did they give you the car now? Because
Speaker 1: I feel like they haven't.
Speaker 2: We haven't heard new This is the new version, right
Speaker 2: three X Yeah from.
Speaker 1: A business since I wonder how many of these I
Speaker 1: haven't heard about it in the news or from them.
Speaker 2: So my in terms of buying one, right, it's still
Speaker 2: one hundred and I think one hundred and six grand
Speaker 2: for this version. That one version is one hundred and forty,
Speaker 2: and when you option it up it's going to be
Speaker 2: a little more. But I've looked on auto Trader and
Speaker 2: found some twenty twenty four's with six seven eight thousand
Speaker 2: miles that are eighty five okay, So I would be
Speaker 2: happy to let the other guy take the depreciation hit
Speaker 2: and pick it up for because you know, the my
Speaker 2: most important criteria is does it fit to rear facing
Speaker 2: car seats in the back? Yes, and it'll still allow
Speaker 2: me to fully recline, and it does.
Speaker 1: So aren't you worried about buying a used electric vehicle
Speaker 1: that the battery is degraded already?
Speaker 2: I would I would be worried about that, yes, so
Speaker 2: i'd have to see. First of all, I don't think
Speaker 2: my wife would ever let me do this, so it's
Speaker 2: totally not happening.
Speaker 1: But hypothetically, I think you can.
Speaker 2: You can accept some degradation in a two hundred and
Speaker 2: ten kilowat hour battery pack because it's gigantis.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 2: Also, I expect at some point some technology to appear
Speaker 2: where you can swap out batteries or install a better
Speaker 2: battery pack for all of these electric vehicles, not just this. Right,
Speaker 2: at some point you're gonna want to do a V
Speaker 2: eight swap whatever that means in electric worlds. Right.
Speaker 1: Who's telling you that's going to happen.
Speaker 2: No, No one tells me it's going to.
Speaker 1: Happen, just because I'm like, I certainly wouldn't buy a
Speaker 1: Hummer EV thinking in three years they're going to have
Speaker 1: a new battery that I can swap in.
Speaker 2: No, no, No, I don't think three years. I think like
Speaker 2: fifteen years. Okay, there's gonna be You're gonna be able
Speaker 2: to put a flux capacitator in it, and it'll be like, you.
Speaker 1: Know if in fifteen years we're actually back to internal combustion.
Speaker 2: You've been talking to people at Poor Show a lot,
Speaker 2: haven't you.
Speaker 1: I actually haven't. I actually I haven't been talking to
Speaker 1: anything the past week. I'm on my honeymoon.
Speaker 2: I'm okay, Okay, Yeah, I think that's it's a possibility.
Speaker 2: That's a possibility. But I think look these vehicles. They're
Speaker 2: not gonna all be just thrown away in the dumpster,
Speaker 2: all these EV's. I mean, right, you'll you're gonna take
Speaker 2: the interesting ones in ten or twenty years and resto
Speaker 2: mod them. And this is a prime candidate for that
Speaker 2: because it's so big and so different looking. Even if
Speaker 2: you don't like the way that looks, it doesn't look
Speaker 2: like every other jellyma.
Speaker 1: It's a question, speaking of big and different, would you
Speaker 1: buy this or a cyber truck?
Speaker 2: This? Hands down? Why? In an instant why. I really
Speaker 2: appreciate the looks. It reminds me of an actual hummer.
Speaker 2: I love the look of that. It's why and low
Speaker 2: you can still there's still decent visibility, especially at the back.
Speaker 1: Interesting And there's.
Speaker 2: Also something to be said for buying from general motors,
Speaker 2: from the general you know, from a good old American brand.
Speaker 1: Tesla's American. Yeah, my friend.
Speaker 2: I know it's different, you know, is it? Yes? I
Speaker 2: mean you know, Elon Musk's grandfather didn't work at Tesla.
Speaker 1: I didn't know we were going to do a legacy thing.
Speaker 2: No, But it's like this a GM as GM as
Speaker 2: the tradition of Detroit, and I you know, Tesla's a
Speaker 2: different vibe, and if that's your vibe, I'm I'm happy
Speaker 2: for you, but it's not mine.
Speaker 1: So okay, noted, that doesn't.
Speaker 2: Mean I don't like any new products, you know, I
Speaker 2: I would compare this to a Rivian. If I'm going
Speaker 2: to buy this, Do I buy this or a Rivian?
Speaker 2: I don't know, because I haven't driven.
Speaker 1: Doesn't look as unusual like we're talking about.
Speaker 2: The looks more like futuristic and probably more elegant.
Speaker 1: More like Patagonia, Like you know, Rivian's all about we
Speaker 1: want to be the Patagonia of electric vehicles, so we'll
Speaker 1: give them that, right and then you.
Speaker 2: Know they still have fifty horsepower squad motor version, so sure.
Speaker 1: But I mean, if we're talking aesthetics, the Hummer is
Speaker 1: an iconic look and it's an aggressive affront and assault
Speaker 1: and it's not going to apologize. And I think the
Speaker 1: cyber truck's the same in a way. But the Rivian's
Speaker 1: kind of in the middle, you know, the Raven's trying
Speaker 1: to be like, you know, more basic.
Speaker 2: Well, so to be fair, I haven't really I've only
Speaker 2: seen a cyber truck once in real life. What it
Speaker 2: was shocked.
Speaker 1: I see I see New York five a day.
Speaker 2: That's very different there live in you know, the people
Speaker 2: in Republic of Tesla. That's different.
Speaker 1: It's wild how many I see every day so every day.
Speaker 2: Here we don't in New York. You've barely even see
Speaker 2: Model s's. It's just Model three, Model y Yeah. Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2: So anyway, I can't make a real call on a
Speaker 2: Tiber truck until I've seen it in real life and
Speaker 2: studied it, and b I would have to drive it.
Speaker 1: You should throw one.
Speaker 2: I haven't driven you vince that. I'm sure I might.
Speaker 2: I might try that. Yeah, I also haven't driven a Rivian.
Speaker 2: Have you driven the Rivian? Is it awesome? I imagine
Speaker 2: it's awesome.
Speaker 1: I wouldn't use the word awesome. I would use the
Speaker 1: word interesting and good enough.
Speaker 2: Well, and the other thing is, Hannah, I kind of
Speaker 2: gravitate towards products that make other people angry, you know,
Speaker 2: and in a way the Hummer kind of does that too.
Speaker 2: The soccer moms are going to be like, I'm not
Speaker 2: happy that it's need and they're angry that I'm driving.
Speaker 1: See this is true art, like art should provoke a reaction,
Speaker 1: and if you get people extremely happy or extremely upset.
Speaker 1: You at least have made them feel something. It's far
Speaker 1: better to do that than to just have them be neutral.
Speaker 1: You know. That's an appliance. An appliance leaves people feeling like, oh,
Speaker 1: it's okay.
Speaker 2: I also like to drive big vehicles with big wheels,
Speaker 2: and this thing. I feel very I'm like on my sofa,
Speaker 2: you know, piloting this. Yeah, it's it's I've never driven
Speaker 2: actually an original Hummer, and I imagine it's not a
Speaker 2: good experience compared to this is a very pleasant experience.
Speaker 2: Like when you push the pedal, it goes fast. When
Speaker 2: you push the brake, it stops quickly. The turning rais
Speaker 2: as set is very tight, so you can easily navigate corners.
Speaker 2: You know, I'm coming up to a junction and somebody
Speaker 2: else is making a left in front of me, and
Speaker 2: I'm looking to make it right. I'm not worried about
Speaker 2: going out too far in the intersection. Super easy to handle.
Speaker 2: The infotainment system is very intuitive, Okay. I have owned
Speaker 2: recently Chevy products, so I know how they work. But
Speaker 2: it's like a breeze. Are there improvements that they could make? Yeah?
Speaker 2: The interior when they update it, Please update that, because
Speaker 2: it feels like they just stuck a big screen in
Speaker 2: the middle and the roof panels. It has four roof panels,
Speaker 2: just like a Bronco and when you hit any kind
Speaker 2: of bump or turn a corner too hard, they squeak
Speaker 2: and rattle.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the fit and finish does matter.
Speaker 2: I mean are for the most part. The fit and
Speaker 2: finish is fantastic. It's just the rooftop interesting. Which if
Speaker 2: you pay one hundred and ten thousand dollars for a vehicle,
Speaker 2: it's gonna buy the while.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, what about the like have you used
Speaker 1: the little containers, like the storage containers like with I
Speaker 1: remember in the cabin there were some sort of clever
Speaker 1: storage containers that they had put in the back. In
Speaker 1: the front just have a store.
Speaker 2: I haven't been in the back other than to install
Speaker 2: child seats.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 2: My daughters love it, by the way, because you can
Speaker 2: roll down the rear window. I have the pickup truck
Speaker 2: version and it's awesome. But yeah, there's a ton of
Speaker 2: storage in the front for like as many big gulps
Speaker 2: as you can possibly buy. And I've I've got all
Speaker 2: the pool equipment in there. So like, as a family vehicle,
Speaker 2: it's very functional. I do.
Speaker 1: I do agree it didn't you know, you kind of
Speaker 1: go into driving those things with a little like oh boy,
Speaker 1: here we go, And I remember just getting out of
Speaker 1: it and thinking it's fun. It's cool, it's fun. They
Speaker 1: did a really good job. It's it's exactly what it promises,
Speaker 1: like when you look at it and when you drive
Speaker 1: it and it delivers, and.
Speaker 2: When you pull up quickly to some person in the
Speaker 2: left lane who isn't quite paying attention and they look
Speaker 2: behind them and see that grill, they do move over
Speaker 2: to hate. Not really, but I just you know, when
Speaker 2: I'm when I'm driving through town, a lot of times
Speaker 2: I'll notice like a mom like give me a look
Speaker 2: like how dare you? How dare you drive that in
Speaker 2: our school district. But on the other hand, you know,
Speaker 2: it's like a nice bluish gray and it's got the
Speaker 2: American flags Croco USA, and it's electric. So no, I
Speaker 2: can't hate.
Speaker 1: You can't hate actually on that.
Speaker 2: So yeah, I'm I'm pretty I'm a pretty big fan
Speaker 2: of it. I would say cool, but I'm a sucker
Speaker 2: for any big truck with with big wheels.
Speaker 1: I mean I always come back to the g wagon.
Speaker 1: I love it. Yeah, it's it's an iconic shape, it's polarizing,
Speaker 1: it's been around forever. It does the job. This falls
Speaker 1: into this category of it's a specific philosophy that has
Speaker 1: been executed and maybe you hate it, maybe you like it,
Speaker 1: but it is what it is. You can take it
Speaker 1: or leave it. I really like that. I just I
Speaker 1: just like, give me something interesting and maybe I'll hate it,
Speaker 1: but at least it's something exactly exactly.
Speaker 2: At least it's not another jelly bean.
Speaker 1: Right, it's not in appliance.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Oh, what have you got coming up? Anything?
Speaker 1: Oh? You know, on Monday, I'm going to go finally
Speaker 1: drive the nine to eleven GTS the in Sevilla and
Speaker 1: severe Yeah. Yeah, I'll let you know.
Speaker 2: Very nice. Okay, you know, the screen is the biggest
Speaker 2: problem that I have with that, you know, the lack
Speaker 2: of animal I.
Speaker 1: Will report back speaking of you know, the Bugatti stink
Speaker 1: trying to stay analog. I guess Portia didn't. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I don't know if it's a money saving thing or
Speaker 2: I need to like getting rid of a handbrake, Like
Speaker 2: why do that? I don't get it.
Speaker 1: Sure they'll have an answer.
Speaker 2: I'm sure they will.
Speaker 1: What about you? What do you have coming up?
Speaker 2: Let's see, so in terms of vehicles, I fingers crossed,
Speaker 2: am going to get a Corvette E raate? Well, that'll
Speaker 2: be after you come back out from Sevilla.
Speaker 1: We might have an issue with that. What's that I
Speaker 1: seem to have I'm not supposed to be checking email
Speaker 1: this week, but I might have got an email where
Speaker 1: they said, never mind, due to undo unforeseen circumstances, we
Speaker 1: can't fulfill your press.
Speaker 2: Oh that's a bummer.
Speaker 1: I haven't replied to that email because it annoyed me.
Speaker 2: But so the cool thing is we're gonna The idea
Speaker 2: is we were both gonna drive that time. You would
Speaker 2: have it in La, I'll have it here in New York.
Speaker 1: Yes, you're getting that next week or the week after week,
Speaker 1: week after a weekend. Me too. Me too. I'll have
Speaker 1: to coordinate on that.
Speaker 2: But I'm also excited about it because my friend David Weston,
Speaker 2: who anchors Wall Street Week, has an original Gen one
Speaker 2: C one Corvette cool and cool. He lives near me.
Speaker 2: So I was like, dude, I'm gonna come. I'm gonna
Speaker 2: get this Corvette E Ray it's like the newest, most
Speaker 2: cutting edge. I know it's not the Z six, but
Speaker 2: it's like even more because it's electric, right or hybrid. Yes,
Speaker 2: I'm gonna bring it over and then we're gonna shoot
Speaker 2: a video where David has his C one and I
Speaker 2: have this and I get his take on this one,
Speaker 2: you know, Yeah, and I get to sit in his
Speaker 2: I've never been in his before, and I think it'd
Speaker 2: be a cool comparing.
Speaker 1: He's a big Corvette guy like he is. He doesn't
Speaker 1: he is not just the.
Speaker 2: One like when we had when when he heard we
Speaker 2: are having Jim Farley on the podcast, he said, ask
Speaker 2: him why they don't make a sports car? He says,
Speaker 2: he contends that Corvette is the only American made sports
Speaker 2: car because he says the Mustang has it doesn't have
Speaker 2: isn't the two seater? You know?
Speaker 1: Well, as a Corvette owner, I'm not disagreeing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So I'm excited to do that.
Speaker 1: And that'll be good, that'll be great. You don't get well,
Speaker 1: I'll sort it out. They can find another one. Well.
Speaker 2: And also you will just have driven the nine to eleven,
Speaker 2: which is.
Speaker 1: I'm not coming.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I hope you get to go like around the region.
Speaker 1: Me too, you know, I like, I like having track time,
Speaker 1: of course, but honestly, it's more real world to drive
Speaker 1: the car on on roads. So I'm imagining it's probably
Speaker 1: a little both.
Speaker 2: I feel like track time almost does a disservice to
Speaker 2: consumers who listen, uh to this podcast or read your
Speaker 2: reviews to try and decide if they would want a car,
Speaker 2: because and you see, like all these car journalists, you know,
Speaker 2: flogging vehicles and motorcycles around the track, and it doesn't
Speaker 2: really translate at all to what we do on the road.
Speaker 1: No, I'm rolling my eyes a little bit right now
Speaker 1: because it's so true true. I mean, they like, look,
Speaker 1: we're journalists. No one out there is a professional driver.
Speaker 1: Most of them, if you know, ninety nine percent of
Speaker 1: them have never even you know, raced in any sort
Speaker 1: of amateur or professional capacity, or been a drive instructor anything.
Speaker 1: Who's going to buy the car, myself included, I would
Speaker 1: never I would never pretend to say that I am
Speaker 1: so it is kind of you know, yeah, it's nice
Speaker 1: to drive on the track, but I'm so with you,
Speaker 1: it's actually much more usable and relatable and you can
Speaker 1: really sift through the car to have it on the road,
Speaker 1: because the other thing with the track is it's very
Speaker 1: very very controlled. You know, you have a specific amount
Speaker 1: of labs, you have a specific amount of time. A
Speaker 1: lot of times it's lead follow, and so it's just
Speaker 1: it's extremely controlled, and it just seems a little like
Speaker 1: this is just for a journalists bragging rights, which I
Speaker 1: really don't care exactly.
Speaker 2: You're you're gonna probably really enjoy your experience. So you're
Speaker 2: by the way, in terms of the nine to eleven, like,
Speaker 2: of the million piece people who've bought a nine to eleven,
Speaker 2: how many people are doing track data in it?
Speaker 1: Very small percentage, right, very small.
Speaker 2: I would imagine if you want to go on the track,
Speaker 2: then you're gonna get a Cayman like, not a nine
Speaker 2: to eleven. Right.
Speaker 1: Every pro driver that I talked to that like drives
Speaker 1: is on these drives. I always say, like, which car
Speaker 1: do you want on the track? They all love the Cayman.
Speaker 1: They say it's far more balanced and far more predictable
Speaker 1: and just a lot more fun and you can really
Speaker 1: get really you can get more out of it with
Speaker 1: less effort.
Speaker 2: I feel like a nine to eleven is your daily driver.
Speaker 2: It's a great daily driver. Yeah, so you should. Porsche
Speaker 2: should invite you out to commute in Atlanta, you know
Speaker 2: they should. They should invite you to a suburb of
Speaker 2: Atlanta and invite you to drive into the middle of
Speaker 2: the city during rush hour, and that should be what
Speaker 2: you write the review on.
Speaker 1: Just I'll commute in LA That's fine. Atlanta seems really
Speaker 1: hot and sticky, all.
Speaker 2: Right, So I'm excited for UH to hear about that.
Speaker 2: And are you taking Magnus with you too, Savilla?
Speaker 1: Oh, sadly, what I know? I know, why not?
Speaker 2: This seems like the perfect opportunity. You just got married.
Speaker 2: Now you're going to Sevilla. The two of you could
Speaker 2: go to the Alhambra, you know, in Granada. You could
Speaker 2: spend a few days on the beach in Marbella, you know.
Speaker 1: And he looks great in a speedo too. You should
Speaker 1: really see him.
Speaker 2: I've heard about that.
Speaker 1: But once we get that sunscreen on, you know, he's
Speaker 1: ready to go. I know, it's we have a lot
Speaker 1: of fun.
Speaker 2: All right. Well, I hope you have a good time,
Speaker 2: and do remember the sunscreen? I know, all right, So Friday,
Speaker 2: dear listener, remember to send us any questions or suggestions.
Speaker 2: The email address once again.
Speaker 1: Is hot Pursuit at bloomberg dot net.
Speaker 2: And that's what we got for this week. We'll see
Speaker 2: you back here next week. I'm Matt Miller and I'm
Speaker 1: Hanna Elliott, and this is Bloomberg