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Speaker 1: I'm Hannah Elliott, and this is Hot Pursuit.

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Speaker 2: All right. We have a break from guests this week,

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Speaker 2: which is pretty good. And I think this could be

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Speaker 2: the first time I've ever remembered to promo the email

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Speaker 2: address at the top of the show. It would be

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Speaker 2: great for people to email us and give us questions, topics, suggestions.

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Speaker 2: Our email address.

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Speaker 1: Is Hot Pursuit at Bloomberg dot net.

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Speaker 2: Nice Hot Pursuit at Bloomberg dot net. And we do

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Speaker 2: have awesome guests coming up, like next week we have

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Speaker 2: Tom Wagner, which I'm super excited about.

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Speaker 1: I know, and we also have Soon Haggerty coming up too.

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Speaker 2: Yes, so a couple of in different ways giants of

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Speaker 2: the industry, titans really titans.

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Speaker 1: Soon as a petite will but her impact.

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Speaker 2: Well it's large Haggarty or Haggarty or I never know

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Speaker 2: exactly how to say it, but they've just their presence

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Speaker 2: has grown exponentially, right.

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Speaker 1: And Publand Company, Now, yeah.

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Speaker 2: It's not it's like media because I always see like

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Speaker 2: Jason Tomissa videos and that he works for them. And podcasts.

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Speaker 2: They have a podcast Carmulogen and others. I think they

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Speaker 2: obviously have the insurance, they have the auctions.

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Speaker 1: And Soon's really interesting because she has been a lot

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Speaker 1: of the brains and savvy behind that.

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Speaker 2: All right, so I'm looking forward to that. And then

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Speaker 2: Tom Wagner runs Nighthead Capital. They own at least Big

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Speaker 2: Steaks in singer In, which is obviously for some reason

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Speaker 2: the most important Portia restaurad company.

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Speaker 1: I don't really have I mean, what have they been

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Speaker 2: I think he's related to the guy from Iron Maiden, right, yes, so,

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Speaker 2: and they own Revology, which is a company I'm kind

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Speaker 2: of obsessed with. They build They build new nineteen sixty

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Speaker 2: eight Mustangs. They obviously they own Herts, which is selling

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Speaker 2: seven hundred you've heard of Herts fifty million dollars in

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Speaker 2: debt right now. They own Yoda, a racing team. Oh yeah,

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Speaker 2: just I think they is.

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Speaker 1: This is the money behind a lot of name brands

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Speaker 1: that we know and might not think that they're all

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Speaker 2: All right. All of this to say, if anybody has

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Speaker 2: any questions for Soon or Tom, for Hagarty, or what

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Speaker 2: should we ask Nighthead? Yeah, please message us and then

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Speaker 2: we have a lot of stuff to talk about. You

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Speaker 2: story about the Huron successor the Bugatti Bugotti. So and

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Speaker 2: I'm driving a couple of interesting cars. And also, you

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Speaker 2: got married.

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Speaker 1: I did get married on Monday. I'm so start.

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Speaker 2: Let's start with that because it was so much fun

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Speaker 2: and it was great. So you marry Magnus Walker. Yes,

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Speaker 2: my fella, famous designer, collector, real estate magnate. Yes. Always.

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Speaker 1: He's just the best. He is such a.

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Speaker 1: I love him so much. He's a good man.

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Speaker 2: And I was really honored to be invited to the wedding,

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Speaker 1: Just felt right? You know, we're not exactly conventional sorts.

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Speaker 2: I totally get I totally get it, especially Washington Square Park.

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Speaker 1: Protests, an interpretive dance, someone on bombed.

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Speaker 2: All that happened before and after, like immediately after, but

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Speaker 2: It was very cool. I loved meeting your family.

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Speaker 1: They're big fans of you met. They're very big, they

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Speaker 2: I'm big fans of them as well. Meeting your sister

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Speaker 2: and meeting your dad. And I also loved meeting all

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, I love that that happened. I love

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Speaker 2: Well, it was great, Thanks for you for having me.

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Speaker 1: It was really it was really fun. We honestly wouldn't

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Speaker 1: And I understand why that happens, but I I highly

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Speaker 2: Awesome, awesome. Well it was. It was such a cool event.

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Speaker 1: I told Magnus, I'm going to commit to learning more

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Speaker 1: about the Grateful Dead because I feel really bad whenever

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Speaker 1: you refer to them, which you do quite frequently. I

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Speaker 1: have nothing, Like, I got nothing. I couldn't tell you

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Speaker 1: I sort of know Jerry Garcia is, but I think

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Speaker 2: I mean all of my identities, right, So all my

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Speaker 2: I recommend you start with Cornell.

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Speaker 2: It's a show that they did in nineteen seven.

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Speaker 2: In that case, I think you will because you also,

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Speaker 2: I've never got I mean the whole history of like

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Speaker 2: it's like so like if you read Tom Wolfe's Electric

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Speaker 2: Kool Aid Acid Tests, which is a great book.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and then the Dead is in that book because

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Speaker 2: the acid tests Alseie's Acid Tests and it's okay, so cool, Okay,

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Speaker 2: all right, Wait what kind of music? What is like

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Speaker 2: Yes you did. How was that so? I had it?

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Speaker 2: This is big. I think it's I think it's about

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Speaker 2: Yeah, drive it back down right because I had to

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Speaker 2: But I also usually have the first day I drive, like,

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Speaker 1: Maybe that's what it needed.

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Speaker 2: And I think a lot of a lot of these

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Speaker 1: Yes, well that's for sure, because I do think maybe

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Speaker 2: Because you're used to you're you're still feeling what you

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Speaker 1: I always say, chirn, Now, why do you say that

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Speaker 2: You know what? Because that's one of those things where

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Speaker 1: That's a good drive. It was a good first drive.

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Speaker 2: It was very fun. I'd never driven anything with sixteen

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Speaker 2: I don't even know what there's a call.

440
00:21:28,520 --> 00:21:34,360
Speaker 1: It's called a turbion, turbion, the Bugatti turbion, and it's

441
00:21:34,520 --> 00:21:38,600
Speaker 1: not a w sixteen. Act noally, no, it's a V

442
00:21:38,760 --> 00:21:40,040
Speaker 1: sixteen hybrid.

443
00:21:41,359 --> 00:21:44,280
Speaker 2: Interesting hybrid, I get because you can do so much

444
00:21:44,440 --> 00:21:45,240
Speaker 2: and yeah, we.

445
00:21:45,200 --> 00:21:49,280
Speaker 1: Know, yeah, yeah, but it's a it's a V sixteen,

446
00:21:49,400 --> 00:21:52,480
Speaker 1: it's eighteen hundred horse power. This is the first time

447
00:21:52,520 --> 00:21:56,920
Speaker 1: they've ever obviously done this type of configuration. Top speed

448
00:21:56,960 --> 00:21:59,200
Speaker 1: they're saying is about two hundred and seventy six miles

449
00:21:59,200 --> 00:22:02,240
Speaker 1: per hour. And they they they're saying like, this is

450
00:22:02,240 --> 00:22:06,320
Speaker 1: actually the hardest configuration choice for following up the Sharon,

451
00:22:06,440 --> 00:22:09,440
Speaker 1: Like they could have done another W sixteen, they could

452
00:22:09,440 --> 00:22:12,040
Speaker 1: have gone full electric, they could have tried to do

453
00:22:12,119 --> 00:22:16,399
Speaker 1: something different, and this was like the most difficult option

454
00:22:16,560 --> 00:22:19,080
Speaker 1: for them, So of course, and yeah, so of course,

455
00:22:19,320 --> 00:22:21,439
Speaker 1: and you know, they kind of justify it, like, Okay,

456
00:22:22,080 --> 00:22:25,159
Speaker 1: obviously Bugatti Rimac is a company together.

457
00:22:25,280 --> 00:22:27,560
Speaker 2: Now I still don't understand the configurations.

458
00:22:27,640 --> 00:22:31,600
Speaker 1: Really, Yeah, So Portia and Rimac formed a joint venture

459
00:22:31,640 --> 00:22:35,640
Speaker 1: in twenty twenty one that incorporated Bugatti. Is the easiest

460
00:22:35,640 --> 00:22:36,560
Speaker 1: way that I can say that.

461
00:22:36,600 --> 00:22:38,639
Speaker 2: Finally someone explains it to me, so I understand it.

462
00:22:38,720 --> 00:22:42,840
Speaker 1: And so mate Rimac, who's the CEO of that group,

463
00:22:43,160 --> 00:22:47,359
Speaker 1: who oversees electric which is the electric Yes, is also

464
00:22:47,400 --> 00:22:51,760
Speaker 1: overseeing Bugatti, so now of course they're sharing everything, which

465
00:22:51,800 --> 00:22:56,680
Speaker 1: is good for Bugatti. And honestly, I don't know when

466
00:22:56,760 --> 00:23:00,600
Speaker 1: the idea to make the Charon success or a hybrid developed,

467
00:23:00,880 --> 00:23:04,280
Speaker 1: because at one point it did seem like they were

468
00:23:04,359 --> 00:23:09,160
Speaker 1: thinking that Bugotti could go electric, and the thing nudging

469
00:23:09,240 --> 00:23:14,639
Speaker 1: that was within VW. What role was Bugotti going to

470
00:23:14,720 --> 00:23:18,760
Speaker 1: play Because a big part of VW's business strategy for

471
00:23:18,800 --> 00:23:23,200
Speaker 1: the next decade is electrics, centered around electrics and electric technology.

472
00:23:23,280 --> 00:23:25,200
Speaker 1: So when you have one hundred and fifteen year old

473
00:23:25,680 --> 00:23:29,960
Speaker 1: brand that's made its bread and butter on massive internal

474
00:23:30,000 --> 00:23:34,040
Speaker 1: combustion engines, how does that fit. So part of the

475
00:23:34,080 --> 00:23:38,679
Speaker 1: reason why portion Rimac joined together and incorporated Bugatti was

476
00:23:38,720 --> 00:23:42,720
Speaker 1: to help figure out where Bugatti would fit into VW

477
00:23:42,760 --> 00:23:47,239
Speaker 1: group in a broader sense. And apparently this hybrid car,

478
00:23:47,359 --> 00:23:51,159
Speaker 1: the Urbion, is their answer. And Matte Rimac was on

479
00:23:51,200 --> 00:23:56,879
Speaker 1: Bloomberg TV and he said, basically, they've decided that Bugatti

480
00:23:56,960 --> 00:23:59,880
Speaker 1: still needs to have an element of analog in it.

481
00:24:00,200 --> 00:24:00,720
Speaker 2: I hope so.

482
00:24:01,040 --> 00:24:03,639
Speaker 1: Yes. I think that's really where they landed, that this

483
00:24:03,800 --> 00:24:07,199
Speaker 1: is such an old company, it's a French company, it

484
00:24:07,320 --> 00:24:10,480
Speaker 1: needs to have an element of analog something that can

485
00:24:10,520 --> 00:24:13,879
Speaker 1: be timeless. And they're sort of sensing that cars with

486
00:24:13,920 --> 00:24:18,159
Speaker 1: a lot of screens and computers may look out dated

487
00:24:18,160 --> 00:24:21,439
Speaker 1: in ten years, because obviously technology is evolving so quickly.

488
00:24:21,840 --> 00:24:25,040
Speaker 1: So the only way to really stay timeless and classic

489
00:24:25,119 --> 00:24:27,159
Speaker 1: and to know that your car in fifty years on

490
00:24:27,200 --> 00:24:29,639
Speaker 1: a lawn is going to look timeless in classic is

491
00:24:29,680 --> 00:24:32,160
Speaker 1: still to maintain some sense of analog.

492
00:24:32,560 --> 00:24:34,040
Speaker 2: Thank God, who someone's getting that?

493
00:24:34,359 --> 00:24:37,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, So I thought that was really interesting. It makes sense.

494
00:24:37,560 --> 00:24:40,400
Speaker 1: I don't think that's just marketing speak. I actually think

495
00:24:40,560 --> 00:24:43,280
Speaker 1: that is accurate for them. It seems logical.

496
00:24:43,359 --> 00:24:45,480
Speaker 2: It seems like are the other bit Like you've driven

497
00:24:45,920 --> 00:24:46,800
Speaker 2: the new Rolls.

498
00:24:46,680 --> 00:24:49,200
Speaker 1: Royce, the Specter, the Electric is it.

499
00:24:49,119 --> 00:24:51,520
Speaker 2: Also fairly analog? They don't have a ton of screens

500
00:24:51,520 --> 00:24:52,040
Speaker 2: in it, do they?

501
00:24:52,480 --> 00:24:54,719
Speaker 1: No, they've got it. They've got a screen that you

502
00:24:54,760 --> 00:24:58,119
Speaker 1: can hide if you want. And actually there is a

503
00:24:58,160 --> 00:25:00,640
Speaker 1: screen in this new Bougatti the term be on. There

504
00:25:00,720 --> 00:25:03,480
Speaker 1: is a screen that is hidden at the top of

505
00:25:03,520 --> 00:25:05,959
Speaker 1: the dash. You can make it appear by pushing a button.

506
00:25:06,760 --> 00:25:10,000
Speaker 1: But some interesting things in this one are if you

507
00:25:10,440 --> 00:25:14,119
Speaker 1: have there's if you have the screen hidden, you start

508
00:25:14,119 --> 00:25:16,399
Speaker 1: it and stop it by pulling a lever like the

509
00:25:16,480 --> 00:25:19,200
Speaker 1: old bugattis like you literally pull a lever and push

510
00:25:19,200 --> 00:25:21,560
Speaker 1: a lever to turn it on and turn it off nice.

511
00:25:21,960 --> 00:25:25,160
Speaker 1: On top of the steering wheel is a three gauge

512
00:25:25,440 --> 00:25:28,680
Speaker 1: cluster that looks like sort of a mechanical watch. And

513
00:25:28,760 --> 00:25:30,600
Speaker 1: I think this is all tied in with the name.

514
00:25:30,960 --> 00:25:34,320
Speaker 1: And the steering wheel turns around those gauges, so those

515
00:25:34,359 --> 00:25:36,520
Speaker 1: gauges are station they're planted in the center of the

516
00:25:36,520 --> 00:25:37,080
Speaker 1: steering wheel.

517
00:25:37,119 --> 00:25:40,440
Speaker 2: So and yeah, you said exactly. That's the kind of

518
00:25:40,480 --> 00:25:41,720
Speaker 2: watch that you can sort of see through.

519
00:25:41,720 --> 00:25:45,480
Speaker 1: It is a component in a watch that basically helps

520
00:25:45,480 --> 00:25:49,639
Speaker 1: it keep time. It basically makes the watch keep time

521
00:25:49,880 --> 00:25:53,639
Speaker 1: and keeps it on track basically.

522
00:25:53,960 --> 00:25:56,600
Speaker 2: For from my understanding, well, usually when they have the

523
00:25:57,320 --> 00:25:59,760
Speaker 2: edition of a watch, that means you can see through it.

524
00:26:00,280 --> 00:26:03,919
Speaker 1: And right, the fact that you're seeing through it just

525
00:26:03,960 --> 00:26:07,639
Speaker 1: means they're showing off, rightbo this thing that rotates the

526
00:26:07,680 --> 00:26:09,960
Speaker 1: components to increase accuracy.

527
00:26:10,080 --> 00:26:12,119
Speaker 2: Okay, that's in a wristwatch. That's very cool.

528
00:26:12,400 --> 00:26:15,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, so it's I do think it's cool. I mean,

529
00:26:15,240 --> 00:26:18,000
Speaker 1: the car itself kind of looks like a Sharon It

530
00:26:18,040 --> 00:26:19,679
Speaker 1: looks kind of the same.

531
00:26:20,760 --> 00:26:22,000
Speaker 2: The doors it was a good look.

532
00:26:22,200 --> 00:26:24,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, the doors open up instead of out, they open

533
00:26:25,000 --> 00:26:26,840
Speaker 1: up in like you know, billionaire doors.

534
00:26:26,880 --> 00:26:29,000
Speaker 2: Sure, if you have three Commas in your net worth,

535
00:26:29,080 --> 00:26:29,880
Speaker 2: that's a car for you.

536
00:26:29,960 --> 00:26:31,520
Speaker 1: There you go, there you go. And you know the

537
00:26:31,560 --> 00:26:35,280
Speaker 1: price here is three point eight million euros, so that's

538
00:26:35,359 --> 00:26:38,040
Speaker 1: like four point one million dollars. So yeah, price, the

539
00:26:38,080 --> 00:26:40,600
Speaker 1: price is gone up. They're going to make two hundred

540
00:26:40,600 --> 00:26:43,159
Speaker 1: and fifty of them. Deliveries are going to begin in

541
00:26:43,200 --> 00:26:46,760
Speaker 1: twenty twenty six. It's exciting, you know, it seems like

542
00:26:46,800 --> 00:26:47,200
Speaker 1: a natural.

543
00:26:47,400 --> 00:26:49,439
Speaker 2: They went with a V twelve instead of the W.

544
00:26:49,800 --> 00:26:51,200
Speaker 1: I was very surprised.

545
00:26:51,760 --> 00:26:56,000
Speaker 2: And the V sixteen, sorry, a V sixteen instead of

546
00:26:56,000 --> 00:26:58,880
Speaker 2: a W sixteen. So I guess they just put two

547
00:26:59,080 --> 00:27:01,600
Speaker 2: inline eights together in a sense.

548
00:27:01,720 --> 00:27:03,719
Speaker 1: I don't I honestly don't know. That's I don't know.

549
00:27:03,880 --> 00:27:06,600
Speaker 2: That's strange because the the reason was at W sixteen,

550
00:27:06,720 --> 00:27:09,800
Speaker 2: I guess was that they had two V eights bolted together.

551
00:27:10,000 --> 00:27:12,160
Speaker 2: That's how I thought of it in my head. And

552
00:27:12,800 --> 00:27:17,800
Speaker 2: they also the Volkswagen Group does this right because Bentley

553
00:27:17,840 --> 00:27:20,520
Speaker 2: has the W twelve, sure right, so.

554
00:27:20,680 --> 00:27:23,159
Speaker 1: W is kind of there thinking of going away.

555
00:27:22,920 --> 00:27:25,840
Speaker 2: With interesting And did they put the U is the

556
00:27:25,880 --> 00:27:29,480
Speaker 2: electric component, like it's on the front.

557
00:27:28,800 --> 00:27:31,520
Speaker 1: At two on the front, one on the back. Eighteen

558
00:27:31,600 --> 00:27:32,960
Speaker 1: hundred horsepower total.

559
00:27:33,240 --> 00:27:34,400
Speaker 2: Okay, the top.

560
00:27:34,240 --> 00:27:36,399
Speaker 1: Speed of two seventy six. I did ask if they'll

561
00:27:36,440 --> 00:27:40,119
Speaker 1: be doing any variants that would potentially go for a

562
00:27:40,160 --> 00:27:42,000
Speaker 1: world record, you know land speed, right.

563
00:27:41,920 --> 00:27:43,879
Speaker 2: Because the went over three hundred.

564
00:27:44,160 --> 00:27:46,080
Speaker 1: You know, they don't want to comment on that. No,

565
00:27:46,280 --> 00:27:48,240
Speaker 1: you know it's a it's a no comment. But I

566
00:27:48,280 --> 00:27:50,920
Speaker 1: think maybe we could think about that. I don't see

567
00:27:50,960 --> 00:27:51,240
Speaker 1: why not.

568
00:27:51,440 --> 00:27:54,159
Speaker 2: It's interesting that Remac. I wonder if they would go

569
00:27:54,200 --> 00:27:54,560
Speaker 2: for it.

570
00:27:54,800 --> 00:27:57,320
Speaker 1: I feel like, I mean with a Nevara there. Remember

571
00:27:57,440 --> 00:28:01,879
Speaker 1: last year at during Pebble Brimaca just set a record

572
00:28:02,040 --> 00:28:03,200
Speaker 1: I'm gonna not remember.

573
00:28:03,359 --> 00:28:05,560
Speaker 2: Yes, it was the fastest in reverse, right, Yeah?

574
00:28:05,720 --> 00:28:07,760
Speaker 1: Was that it? I knew it was something kind of quirky,

575
00:28:08,200 --> 00:28:10,159
Speaker 1: So yeah, you like care about records, which half the

576
00:28:10,200 --> 00:28:12,680
Speaker 1: time I'm like, does anyone care at all?

577
00:28:13,000 --> 00:28:16,919
Speaker 2: I mean, that's one that probably no. But also like

578
00:28:16,960 --> 00:28:19,000
Speaker 2: if James Bond is going to use that car, they

579
00:28:19,000 --> 00:28:20,960
Speaker 2: could make something of that. You know, he has to

580
00:28:20,960 --> 00:28:22,280
Speaker 2: go backwards super fast?

581
00:28:22,640 --> 00:28:23,080
Speaker 1: There you go?

582
00:28:24,119 --> 00:28:27,040
Speaker 2: Well cool, I had I'd say Bugatti is another one

583
00:28:27,080 --> 00:28:30,320
Speaker 2: of those when I first saw the veyrone, I thought,

584
00:28:30,640 --> 00:28:33,840
Speaker 2: this is ugly and I didn't like it. And also

585
00:28:33,960 --> 00:28:36,359
Speaker 2: the first few times I saw the chirone, I didn't

586
00:28:36,400 --> 00:28:38,959
Speaker 2: really love it, but it grew on me same and

587
00:28:38,960 --> 00:28:41,080
Speaker 2: by the time they did they did like a one

588
00:28:41,160 --> 00:28:44,480
Speaker 2: hundred and ten year anniversary edition that was like blue

589
00:28:44,520 --> 00:28:45,960
Speaker 2: on blue, and I think that.

590
00:28:46,040 --> 00:28:49,000
Speaker 1: Was their last addition that like that is that's coming

591
00:28:49,040 --> 00:28:51,600
Speaker 1: off the production line like this year, and then that's it.

592
00:28:51,640 --> 00:28:53,680
Speaker 2: I thought it was beautiful, yeah.

593
00:28:53,280 --> 00:28:56,360
Speaker 1: Or maybe it already has, so it might have already.

594
00:28:56,480 --> 00:28:58,440
Speaker 2: I wish somebody would daily drive one of these kind

595
00:28:58,480 --> 00:29:01,240
Speaker 2: of cars. You know, some people do. No, I don't

596
00:29:01,240 --> 00:29:03,720
Speaker 2: think so. I think they keep them low mileage. I

597
00:29:03,760 --> 00:29:07,000
Speaker 2: saw on Bring a Trailer there was I think a

598
00:29:07,080 --> 00:29:10,440
Speaker 2: nineteen ninety three nine to six y four turbo that

599
00:29:10,560 --> 00:29:13,600
Speaker 2: had one hundred and seventy thousand miles or something.

600
00:29:13,800 --> 00:29:14,400
Speaker 1: Did it sell?

601
00:29:15,200 --> 00:29:17,800
Speaker 2: No, it's still it still goes. As we speak, it's

602
00:29:17,800 --> 00:29:20,520
Speaker 2: still going. And it was at one fifty and I thought, wow,

603
00:29:20,800 --> 00:29:22,600
Speaker 2: you know what, I'd rather have that than one that

604
00:29:22,640 --> 00:29:25,560
Speaker 2: has like seventeen miles, because you know it's going to

605
00:29:25,600 --> 00:29:26,720
Speaker 2: work completely.

606
00:29:26,800 --> 00:29:30,480
Speaker 1: It's actually it's been tried and tested and yeah.

607
00:29:30,240 --> 00:29:32,440
Speaker 2: And obviously that's not the same league as a as

608
00:29:32,440 --> 00:29:34,680
Speaker 2: a Bugatti, but it would be cool if somebody bought

609
00:29:35,040 --> 00:29:38,360
Speaker 2: a Bugatti or Pegani, you know, and then daily drove it.

610
00:29:38,360 --> 00:29:41,720
Speaker 2: He used it like from you know, uh, Greenwich to

611
00:29:41,760 --> 00:29:43,240
Speaker 2: the city every day. Yeah.

612
00:29:43,280 --> 00:29:45,680
Speaker 1: And the thing about the bugattis that I think separate

613
00:29:45,720 --> 00:29:49,400
Speaker 1: it separate them a little bit from other million, multimillion

614
00:29:49,480 --> 00:29:53,240
Speaker 1: dollar cars is the cab The interior cabins of the

615
00:29:53,240 --> 00:29:58,240
Speaker 1: Bugattis are like Bentley level of comforts and just sort

616
00:29:58,280 --> 00:30:01,200
Speaker 1: of opulence where I I think, you know, even in

617
00:30:01,200 --> 00:30:05,080
Speaker 1: the Remacnavara it's a little more utilitarian, it's a little

618
00:30:05,120 --> 00:30:08,280
Speaker 1: more minimal, or something like the Peninferina Batista. You know,

619
00:30:08,320 --> 00:30:13,720
Speaker 1: those are multimillion dollar electric hypercars, but their interiors are

620
00:30:13,760 --> 00:30:19,280
Speaker 1: not quite as cushy as the Bugatti. So like to

621
00:30:19,320 --> 00:30:21,760
Speaker 1: your point, you could live in it and be comfortable.

622
00:30:21,920 --> 00:30:24,240
Speaker 2: True, do you think it's Do you think Bugatti is

623
00:30:24,280 --> 00:30:30,240
Speaker 2: at the same level of luxury and design as Pegani,

624
00:30:30,440 --> 00:30:33,600
Speaker 2: Because I feel like Pegani, like every single piece is

625
00:30:33,720 --> 00:30:38,320
Speaker 2: machined out of aircraft grade aluminum, and they're maybe over

626
00:30:38,440 --> 00:30:39,240
Speaker 2: designed in.

627
00:30:39,520 --> 00:30:43,800
Speaker 1: I don't find Pegani as usable or as practical or

628
00:30:44,680 --> 00:30:47,560
Speaker 1: you know, to be honest, I've never driven a Pegani.

629
00:30:48,040 --> 00:30:50,480
Speaker 1: I've been driven in a Pegani, but they did not

630
00:30:50,600 --> 00:30:53,320
Speaker 1: want me to drive it, which I'm instantly skeptical of.

631
00:30:53,680 --> 00:30:56,280
Speaker 1: You know, they wanted to drive me in it, but

632
00:30:56,320 --> 00:30:59,120
Speaker 1: they wouldn't let me drive it. So of course, you know,

633
00:30:59,160 --> 00:31:00,280
Speaker 1: I wonder why I.

634
00:31:00,200 --> 00:31:05,560
Speaker 2: Feel like Pegani is heavier on the design element and

635
00:31:05,680 --> 00:31:08,320
Speaker 2: not as much on the engine, you know, because they

636
00:31:08,320 --> 00:31:10,240
Speaker 2: buy those motors from Daimler.

637
00:31:10,400 --> 00:31:10,960
Speaker 1: It's harder.

638
00:31:11,960 --> 00:31:15,000
Speaker 2: Bugatti is all about the engineering, right of.

639
00:31:14,960 --> 00:31:18,600
Speaker 1: Course, and it comes from you know, you can't compare

640
00:31:18,720 --> 00:31:22,400
Speaker 1: one hundred and fifteen years of automaking like that. You

641
00:31:22,440 --> 00:31:25,040
Speaker 1: can't buy that. It just is to me that is

642
00:31:25,120 --> 00:31:29,560
Speaker 1: such credibility and authority and authenticity. And then to have

643
00:31:29,600 --> 00:31:32,880
Speaker 1: the backing of VW Group, it's tough to compete with

644
00:31:32,920 --> 00:31:35,120
Speaker 1: that in any way, you know. And then with the

645
00:31:35,840 --> 00:31:39,160
Speaker 1: technology of Rimac, it's like, I mean, that's your dream

646
00:31:39,200 --> 00:31:40,800
Speaker 1: team basically.

647
00:31:40,520 --> 00:31:43,440
Speaker 2: I suppose. Yeah, I just like Pegani has like a

648
00:31:43,440 --> 00:31:47,720
Speaker 2: smaller workshop, factory workshop, and they are building more like

649
00:31:47,880 --> 00:31:51,000
Speaker 2: one at a time. Yeah, I mean, whereas Pugatti they

650
00:31:51,040 --> 00:31:54,360
Speaker 2: could be building like five or six at a time practically, yeah,

651
00:31:54,440 --> 00:31:54,960
Speaker 2: but you're.

652
00:31:54,880 --> 00:31:57,240
Speaker 1: Still I mean, it took them years to make all

653
00:31:57,320 --> 00:31:59,200
Speaker 1: five hundred of the Sharon. I think they made five

654
00:31:59,240 --> 00:32:02,040
Speaker 1: hundred total, and it took them years to do that,

655
00:32:02,160 --> 00:32:04,680
Speaker 1: so it's not like they're mass producing.

656
00:32:05,080 --> 00:32:06,840
Speaker 2: If I'd either one, I would daily drive it.

657
00:32:07,080 --> 00:32:08,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, cool, I hope you would.

658
00:32:18,040 --> 00:32:21,120
Speaker 2: I'm driving something that's crazy, right, So the Hummer EV

659
00:32:21,480 --> 00:32:24,720
Speaker 2: is just crazy in a lot of ways, and I'm

660
00:32:24,760 --> 00:32:26,080
Speaker 2: glad that you have driven it too.

661
00:32:26,320 --> 00:32:28,320
Speaker 1: Do you think it's a crazy idea, like not a

662
00:32:28,360 --> 00:32:28,880
Speaker 1: good idea?

663
00:32:29,040 --> 00:32:31,480
Speaker 2: No, I think it's a very good idea, like everyone

664
00:32:31,600 --> 00:32:34,240
Speaker 2: wanted to at the time, like we're all going green.

665
00:32:34,480 --> 00:32:37,120
Speaker 2: It's one hundred percent EV. There wasn't any backlash yet,

666
00:32:37,200 --> 00:32:40,200
Speaker 2: you know. It was still like this musk is a

667
00:32:40,240 --> 00:32:43,840
Speaker 2: god for saving the world, you know, and everyone has

668
00:32:43,880 --> 00:32:46,400
Speaker 2: to drive an EV and you couldn't even be mad

669
00:32:46,440 --> 00:32:48,080
Speaker 2: about it, like you had to agree.

670
00:32:47,880 --> 00:32:49,560
Speaker 1: That this is our future.

671
00:32:50,200 --> 00:32:54,920
Speaker 2: And so I love that. Mary Bearra and Mark Royce

672
00:32:55,040 --> 00:32:58,640
Speaker 2: are like, Okay, I see your sixty five kilowat hour

673
00:32:58,680 --> 00:33:00,800
Speaker 2: battery and I am going to raise it to a

674
00:33:00,800 --> 00:33:03,240
Speaker 2: two hundred and ten kilo hour battery. I mean this

675
00:33:03,320 --> 00:33:05,600
Speaker 2: is a ten thousand pound vehicle. I don't know actually

676
00:33:05,640 --> 00:33:06,080
Speaker 2: how much.

677
00:33:05,920 --> 00:33:07,560
Speaker 1: It weighs, but well they wouldn't tell me, but they said,

678
00:33:07,640 --> 00:33:09,400
Speaker 1: I'm guessing it told me it was over nine.

679
00:33:09,480 --> 00:33:15,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, So this thing is so gigantic. Obviously it's

680
00:33:15,640 --> 00:33:17,920
Speaker 2: a hummer, so not like the H two or the

681
00:33:18,040 --> 00:33:19,840
Speaker 2: H three. It's supposed to mimic the H one like

682
00:33:19,840 --> 00:33:22,960
Speaker 2: an actual military vehicle. It's wide enough that I can't

683
00:33:23,000 --> 00:33:25,000
Speaker 2: reach my wife, you know, if she's sitting in the

684
00:33:25,000 --> 00:33:27,680
Speaker 2: passenger seat and I'm driving and it does zero sixty

685
00:33:27,720 --> 00:33:28,880
Speaker 2: and three and a half seconds.

686
00:33:29,360 --> 00:33:30,440
Speaker 1: Did you do launch mode?

687
00:33:30,800 --> 00:33:31,000
Speaker 2: Yes?

688
00:33:31,440 --> 00:33:32,000
Speaker 1: I mean, of.

689
00:33:31,960 --> 00:33:36,160
Speaker 2: Course to freedom, which is like God to half the country.

690
00:33:36,160 --> 00:33:37,520
Speaker 2: That's an offensive sprase.

691
00:33:37,600 --> 00:33:38,880
Speaker 1: I know. I wasn't going to repeat it.

692
00:33:39,000 --> 00:33:41,120
Speaker 2: I love it. I mean the thing is, if you're

693
00:33:41,120 --> 00:33:43,400
Speaker 2: going to do it, do it right for a penny,

694
00:33:43,400 --> 00:33:44,040
Speaker 2: in for a pound.

695
00:33:44,080 --> 00:33:44,920
Speaker 1: So I agree with that.

696
00:33:45,200 --> 00:33:49,480
Speaker 2: It has these little American flag like indentations on the side,

697
00:33:49,480 --> 00:33:52,080
Speaker 2: which is perfect. Yeah, you know, my I have a

698
00:33:52,400 --> 00:33:56,440
Speaker 2: My French neighbor was like, yeah, if a redneck with

699
00:33:56,520 --> 00:33:58,120
Speaker 2: a lot of money it wants to buy an EV

700
00:33:58,280 --> 00:33:59,400
Speaker 2: this is it, you know.

701
00:33:59,560 --> 00:34:02,760
Speaker 1: So weird because you're right, like since twenty twenty two.

702
00:34:02,800 --> 00:34:04,360
Speaker 1: I drove in twenty twenty two, and I think it

703
00:34:04,560 --> 00:34:07,960
Speaker 1: sort of just come out, and like evs are way

704
00:34:07,960 --> 00:34:13,160
Speaker 1: more political now, yeah than even then. And it's totally

705
00:34:13,200 --> 00:34:15,520
Speaker 1: weird because it is an EV, but it's got all

706
00:34:15,520 --> 00:34:19,759
Speaker 1: these you know, patriotic things, and it's really sad that, like,

707
00:34:20,080 --> 00:34:22,319
Speaker 1: if you take them on their own, an EV doesn't

708
00:34:22,360 --> 00:34:25,880
Speaker 1: mean anything. The flag is not a political thing. It

709
00:34:26,200 --> 00:34:27,080
Speaker 1: should unite us.

710
00:34:27,480 --> 00:34:30,319
Speaker 2: What I love about it is that so people who

711
00:34:30,360 --> 00:34:33,960
Speaker 2: are anti EV will go on a rant about no

712
00:34:34,080 --> 00:34:36,200
Speaker 2: tailpipe emissions, but they'll go on a rant about the

713
00:34:36,239 --> 00:34:38,560
Speaker 2: production and you know, some eleven year old is mining

714
00:34:38,560 --> 00:34:41,640
Speaker 2: all the cobalt for this, and I get that, you know,

715
00:34:41,800 --> 00:34:44,759
Speaker 2: And but EV fans are like, you know, they'll push back.

716
00:34:45,120 --> 00:34:48,600
Speaker 2: They'll say it's still a greener vehicle than an ICEEE vehicle.

717
00:34:49,120 --> 00:34:52,839
Speaker 2: But even this is an EV that even EV people hate, you.

718
00:34:52,800 --> 00:34:54,680
Speaker 1: Know, that's true.

719
00:34:54,800 --> 00:34:56,080
Speaker 2: They feel like and by the.

720
00:34:56,040 --> 00:34:57,880
Speaker 1: Way, it's just ridiculous. It is ridiculous.

721
00:34:57,880 --> 00:35:00,799
Speaker 2: I was driving through town and Carsdale the other day.

722
00:35:00,840 --> 00:35:03,160
Speaker 2: I realized, if I lose control and I run up

723
00:35:03,160 --> 00:35:05,160
Speaker 2: on the curb, I'm gonna go up over the curb

724
00:35:05,320 --> 00:35:08,120
Speaker 2: and just like knock over that whole family, like it

725
00:35:08,120 --> 00:35:09,320
Speaker 2: could be a dangerous.

726
00:35:09,000 --> 00:35:11,239
Speaker 1: Vehicle driving wise, what did you think?

727
00:35:11,840 --> 00:35:14,359
Speaker 2: I mean, it doesn't. At first You're like, this is

728
00:35:14,680 --> 00:35:17,799
Speaker 2: too wide, but that goes away in like literally two

729
00:35:17,880 --> 00:35:19,759
Speaker 2: and a half minutes. For me, I guess I'm used

730
00:35:19,800 --> 00:35:22,399
Speaker 2: to driving like the F two fifty or the big

731
00:35:22,400 --> 00:35:26,000
Speaker 2: Silverado twenty five hundred, so it doesn't feel that much

732
00:35:26,040 --> 00:35:28,120
Speaker 2: bigger than a heavy duty truck.

733
00:35:28,920 --> 00:35:31,120
Speaker 1: And how has your range been?

734
00:35:31,760 --> 00:35:35,480
Speaker 2: I have been abusing it for the last couple of days,

735
00:35:35,560 --> 00:35:39,680
Speaker 2: and I think I started with three hundred and fifty

736
00:35:39,680 --> 00:35:42,200
Speaker 2: miles and I have two seventy left. That's pretty good

737
00:35:43,320 --> 00:35:46,800
Speaker 2: it is. I expected it to have like a huge

738
00:35:46,840 --> 00:35:49,560
Speaker 2: churning radius, like it'd have to do like five point turns,

739
00:35:50,080 --> 00:35:52,360
Speaker 2: but it's got a better turning radius than any of

740
00:35:52,400 --> 00:35:55,680
Speaker 2: the other vehicles in my driveway. Yeah. I tried the

741
00:35:55,760 --> 00:36:00,000
Speaker 2: crab walk. It's obviously gimmicky and I couldn't really can

742
00:36:00,040 --> 00:36:01,600
Speaker 2: troll it that well, but it was still fun to

743
00:36:01,840 --> 00:36:02,320
Speaker 2: have tried.

744
00:36:04,600 --> 00:36:06,839
Speaker 1: And did you use the super cruise at all?

745
00:36:06,960 --> 00:36:08,920
Speaker 2: Did they not yet? Okay, I haven't been in a

746
00:36:08,960 --> 00:36:11,840
Speaker 2: super cruise situation because I'm just driving from Sarsdale to

747
00:36:11,920 --> 00:36:12,480
Speaker 2: New York and back.

748
00:36:12,560 --> 00:36:14,239
Speaker 1: I'm still a little like, you can't use it all

749
00:36:14,280 --> 00:36:14,640
Speaker 1: the time.

750
00:36:16,239 --> 00:36:20,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think even when I use uh, you know

751
00:36:20,160 --> 00:36:23,520
Speaker 2: BMW's whatever, they're kind of semi self driving technology, is

752
00:36:23,560 --> 00:36:26,120
Speaker 2: I only use it like when I'm on the A five,

753
00:36:26,719 --> 00:36:29,040
Speaker 2: you know, to Carlsrue and I'm not going to turn

754
00:36:29,080 --> 00:36:33,919
Speaker 2: for fifty miles. But I think it's probably up there

755
00:36:33,960 --> 00:36:36,040
Speaker 2: with the best of them. I don't really care about

756
00:36:36,080 --> 00:36:40,480
Speaker 2: that so much. I like a lot of room, a

757
00:36:40,560 --> 00:36:46,280
Speaker 2: luxurious cockpit, and you know, fun stuff, so like having

758
00:36:46,600 --> 00:36:50,400
Speaker 2: thirty fives on this double wide suv is fun.

759
00:36:50,600 --> 00:36:52,440
Speaker 1: Okay. I'm going to push back a little bit on

760
00:36:52,520 --> 00:36:57,160
Speaker 1: the luxurious cockpit because I mean thinking it Okay, okay,

761
00:36:57,480 --> 00:37:01,600
Speaker 1: you're saying it was capacious. Which cockpit? Yes, because I

762
00:37:01,640 --> 00:37:04,880
Speaker 1: would say it's it's like inside from what I remember,

763
00:37:04,920 --> 00:37:07,600
Speaker 1: it was extremely utilitarian, you know, like kind of the

764
00:37:07,600 --> 00:37:08,360
Speaker 1: inside of a truck.

765
00:37:08,560 --> 00:37:12,160
Speaker 2: My thought was the designers did this on purpose so

766
00:37:12,160 --> 00:37:14,160
Speaker 2: that when they update the car, they'll have something to

767
00:37:14,200 --> 00:37:14,640
Speaker 2: make better.

768
00:37:14,719 --> 00:37:16,880
Speaker 1: Now, why did they give you the car now? Because

769
00:37:17,040 --> 00:37:18,040
Speaker 1: I feel like they haven't.

770
00:37:18,320 --> 00:37:20,960
Speaker 2: We haven't heard new This is the new version, right

771
00:37:21,320 --> 00:37:22,760
Speaker 2: three X Yeah from.

772
00:37:22,640 --> 00:37:25,239
Speaker 1: A business since I wonder how many of these I

773
00:37:25,239 --> 00:37:28,200
Speaker 1: haven't heard about it in the news or from them.

774
00:37:28,360 --> 00:37:34,360
Speaker 2: So my in terms of buying one, right, it's still

775
00:37:34,960 --> 00:37:37,000
Speaker 2: one hundred and I think one hundred and six grand

776
00:37:37,400 --> 00:37:40,520
Speaker 2: for this version. That one version is one hundred and forty,

777
00:37:41,239 --> 00:37:42,880
Speaker 2: and when you option it up it's going to be

778
00:37:42,880 --> 00:37:45,520
Speaker 2: a little more. But I've looked on auto Trader and

779
00:37:45,560 --> 00:37:49,520
Speaker 2: found some twenty twenty four's with six seven eight thousand

780
00:37:49,600 --> 00:37:53,719
Speaker 2: miles that are eighty five okay, So I would be

781
00:37:53,840 --> 00:37:57,000
Speaker 2: happy to let the other guy take the depreciation hit

782
00:37:57,760 --> 00:38:00,200
Speaker 2: and pick it up for because you know, the my

783
00:38:00,480 --> 00:38:03,240
Speaker 2: most important criteria is does it fit to rear facing

784
00:38:03,320 --> 00:38:05,960
Speaker 2: car seats in the back? Yes, and it'll still allow

785
00:38:06,000 --> 00:38:07,480
Speaker 2: me to fully recline, and it does.

786
00:38:07,560 --> 00:38:12,400
Speaker 1: So aren't you worried about buying a used electric vehicle

787
00:38:12,520 --> 00:38:14,719
Speaker 1: that the battery is degraded already?

788
00:38:15,280 --> 00:38:17,960
Speaker 2: I would I would be worried about that, yes, so

789
00:38:18,080 --> 00:38:20,279
Speaker 2: i'd have to see. First of all, I don't think

790
00:38:20,280 --> 00:38:21,680
Speaker 2: my wife would ever let me do this, so it's

791
00:38:21,680 --> 00:38:23,240
Speaker 2: totally not happening.

792
00:38:23,280 --> 00:38:26,440
Speaker 1: But hypothetically, I think you can.

793
00:38:26,560 --> 00:38:29,120
Speaker 2: You can accept some degradation in a two hundred and

794
00:38:29,160 --> 00:38:32,640
Speaker 2: ten kilowat hour battery pack because it's gigantis.

795
00:38:32,800 --> 00:38:33,160
Speaker 1: Okay.

796
00:38:33,520 --> 00:38:38,680
Speaker 2: Also, I expect at some point some technology to appear

797
00:38:38,760 --> 00:38:41,759
Speaker 2: where you can swap out batteries or install a better

798
00:38:41,800 --> 00:38:45,000
Speaker 2: battery pack for all of these electric vehicles, not just this. Right,

799
00:38:45,560 --> 00:38:47,520
Speaker 2: at some point you're gonna want to do a V

800
00:38:47,560 --> 00:38:51,680
Speaker 2: eight swap whatever that means in electric worlds. Right.

801
00:38:52,000 --> 00:38:53,600
Speaker 1: Who's telling you that's going to happen.

802
00:38:53,680 --> 00:38:55,279
Speaker 2: No, No one tells me it's going to.

803
00:38:55,280 --> 00:38:59,080
Speaker 1: Happen, just because I'm like, I certainly wouldn't buy a

804
00:38:59,200 --> 00:39:02,040
Speaker 1: Hummer EV thinking in three years they're going to have

805
00:39:02,080 --> 00:39:03,520
Speaker 1: a new battery that I can swap in.

806
00:39:03,640 --> 00:39:06,400
Speaker 2: No, no, No, I don't think three years. I think like

807
00:39:06,680 --> 00:39:09,759
Speaker 2: fifteen years. Okay, there's gonna be You're gonna be able

808
00:39:09,760 --> 00:39:14,359
Speaker 2: to put a flux capacitator in it, and it'll be like, you.

809
00:39:14,320 --> 00:39:17,640
Speaker 1: Know if in fifteen years we're actually back to internal combustion.

810
00:39:18,080 --> 00:39:19,680
Speaker 2: You've been talking to people at Poor Show a lot,

811
00:39:19,719 --> 00:39:20,080
Speaker 2: haven't you.

812
00:39:20,400 --> 00:39:22,680
Speaker 1: I actually haven't. I actually I haven't been talking to

813
00:39:22,719 --> 00:39:24,800
Speaker 1: anything the past week. I'm on my honeymoon.

814
00:39:24,880 --> 00:39:28,719
Speaker 2: I'm okay, Okay, Yeah, I think that's it's a possibility.

815
00:39:28,800 --> 00:39:32,439
Speaker 2: That's a possibility. But I think look these vehicles. They're

816
00:39:32,440 --> 00:39:34,680
Speaker 2: not gonna all be just thrown away in the dumpster,

817
00:39:34,920 --> 00:39:37,680
Speaker 2: all these EV's. I mean, right, you'll you're gonna take

818
00:39:37,719 --> 00:39:40,960
Speaker 2: the interesting ones in ten or twenty years and resto

819
00:39:41,040 --> 00:39:44,359
Speaker 2: mod them. And this is a prime candidate for that

820
00:39:44,920 --> 00:39:48,440
Speaker 2: because it's so big and so different looking. Even if

821
00:39:48,480 --> 00:39:50,960
Speaker 2: you don't like the way that looks, it doesn't look

822
00:39:51,040 --> 00:39:52,360
Speaker 2: like every other jellyma.

823
00:39:52,800 --> 00:39:55,680
Speaker 1: It's a question, speaking of big and different, would you

824
00:39:55,680 --> 00:39:57,400
Speaker 1: buy this or a cyber truck?

825
00:39:57,680 --> 00:40:02,080
Speaker 2: This? Hands down? Why? In an instant why. I really

826
00:40:02,080 --> 00:40:04,880
Speaker 2: appreciate the looks. It reminds me of an actual hummer.

827
00:40:04,960 --> 00:40:08,200
Speaker 2: I love the look of that. It's why and low

828
00:40:09,840 --> 00:40:13,399
Speaker 2: you can still there's still decent visibility, especially at the back.

829
00:40:14,640 --> 00:40:16,760
Speaker 1: Interesting And there's.

830
00:40:16,600 --> 00:40:19,480
Speaker 2: Also something to be said for buying from general motors,

831
00:40:19,520 --> 00:40:22,959
Speaker 2: from the general you know, from a good old American brand.

832
00:40:22,960 --> 00:40:25,560
Speaker 1: Tesla's American. Yeah, my friend.

833
00:40:25,320 --> 00:40:28,759
Speaker 2: I know it's different, you know, is it? Yes? I

834
00:40:28,800 --> 00:40:32,640
Speaker 2: mean you know, Elon Musk's grandfather didn't work at Tesla.

835
00:40:32,960 --> 00:40:34,680
Speaker 1: I didn't know we were going to do a legacy thing.

836
00:40:34,800 --> 00:40:36,960
Speaker 2: No, But it's like this a GM as GM as

837
00:40:37,000 --> 00:40:39,759
Speaker 2: the tradition of Detroit, and I you know, Tesla's a

838
00:40:39,760 --> 00:40:43,120
Speaker 2: different vibe, and if that's your vibe, I'm I'm happy

839
00:40:43,160 --> 00:40:44,359
Speaker 2: for you, but it's not mine.

840
00:40:44,719 --> 00:40:47,440
Speaker 1: So okay, noted, that doesn't.

841
00:40:47,160 --> 00:40:48,960
Speaker 2: Mean I don't like any new products, you know, I

842
00:40:49,160 --> 00:40:51,400
Speaker 2: I would compare this to a Rivian. If I'm going

843
00:40:51,440 --> 00:40:54,440
Speaker 2: to buy this, Do I buy this or a Rivian?

844
00:40:55,120 --> 00:40:56,439
Speaker 2: I don't know, because I haven't driven.

845
00:40:57,120 --> 00:41:01,640
Speaker 1: Doesn't look as unusual like we're talking about.

846
00:41:02,000 --> 00:41:06,120
Speaker 2: The looks more like futuristic and probably more elegant.

847
00:41:05,840 --> 00:41:08,239
Speaker 1: More like Patagonia, Like you know, Rivian's all about we

848
00:41:08,280 --> 00:41:10,560
Speaker 1: want to be the Patagonia of electric vehicles, so we'll

849
00:41:10,560 --> 00:41:12,640
Speaker 1: give them that, right and then you.

850
00:41:12,600 --> 00:41:17,120
Speaker 2: Know they still have fifty horsepower squad motor version, so sure.

851
00:41:17,200 --> 00:41:19,719
Speaker 1: But I mean, if we're talking aesthetics, the Hummer is

852
00:41:19,760 --> 00:41:23,840
Speaker 1: an iconic look and it's an aggressive affront and assault

853
00:41:24,120 --> 00:41:26,319
Speaker 1: and it's not going to apologize. And I think the

854
00:41:26,360 --> 00:41:29,720
Speaker 1: cyber truck's the same in a way. But the Rivian's

855
00:41:29,800 --> 00:41:31,279
Speaker 1: kind of in the middle, you know, the Raven's trying

856
00:41:31,320 --> 00:41:33,280
Speaker 1: to be like, you know, more basic.

857
00:41:33,480 --> 00:41:35,839
Speaker 2: Well, so to be fair, I haven't really I've only

858
00:41:35,840 --> 00:41:38,279
Speaker 2: seen a cyber truck once in real life. What it

859
00:41:38,320 --> 00:41:38,960
Speaker 2: was shocked.

860
00:41:40,000 --> 00:41:43,839
Speaker 1: I see I see New York five a day.

861
00:41:44,400 --> 00:41:47,840
Speaker 2: That's very different there live in you know, the people

862
00:41:47,880 --> 00:41:50,080
Speaker 2: in Republic of Tesla. That's different.

863
00:41:50,280 --> 00:41:53,080
Speaker 1: It's wild how many I see every day so every day.

864
00:41:53,000 --> 00:41:56,120
Speaker 2: Here we don't in New York. You've barely even see

865
00:41:56,160 --> 00:42:01,080
Speaker 2: Model s's. It's just Model three, Model y Yeah. Yeah, yeah.

866
00:42:01,080 --> 00:42:04,839
Speaker 2: So anyway, I can't make a real call on a

867
00:42:04,880 --> 00:42:07,600
Speaker 2: Tiber truck until I've seen it in real life and

868
00:42:07,719 --> 00:42:11,200
Speaker 2: studied it, and b I would have to drive it.

869
00:42:11,960 --> 00:42:12,879
Speaker 1: You should throw one.

870
00:42:13,000 --> 00:42:16,000
Speaker 2: I haven't driven you vince that. I'm sure I might.

871
00:42:16,280 --> 00:42:19,120
Speaker 2: I might try that. Yeah, I also haven't driven a Rivian.

872
00:42:20,160 --> 00:42:22,600
Speaker 2: Have you driven the Rivian? Is it awesome? I imagine

873
00:42:22,640 --> 00:42:23,120
Speaker 2: it's awesome.

874
00:42:23,480 --> 00:42:26,000
Speaker 1: I wouldn't use the word awesome. I would use the

875
00:42:26,000 --> 00:42:28,360
Speaker 1: word interesting and good enough.

876
00:42:28,600 --> 00:42:32,319
Speaker 2: Well, and the other thing is, Hannah, I kind of

877
00:42:32,640 --> 00:42:38,239
Speaker 2: gravitate towards products that make other people angry, you know,

878
00:42:38,480 --> 00:42:41,080
Speaker 2: and in a way the Hummer kind of does that too.

879
00:42:41,800 --> 00:42:44,040
Speaker 2: The soccer moms are going to be like, I'm not

880
00:42:44,200 --> 00:42:46,399
Speaker 2: happy that it's need and they're angry that I'm driving.

881
00:42:46,680 --> 00:42:49,960
Speaker 1: See this is true art, like art should provoke a reaction,

882
00:42:50,320 --> 00:42:54,280
Speaker 1: and if you get people extremely happy or extremely upset.

883
00:42:54,600 --> 00:42:57,919
Speaker 1: You at least have made them feel something. It's far

884
00:42:58,040 --> 00:43:00,960
Speaker 1: better to do that than to just have them be neutral.

885
00:43:01,360 --> 00:43:05,000
Speaker 1: You know. That's an appliance. An appliance leaves people feeling like, oh,

886
00:43:05,040 --> 00:43:05,520
Speaker 1: it's okay.

887
00:43:06,000 --> 00:43:09,080
Speaker 2: I also like to drive big vehicles with big wheels,

888
00:43:09,680 --> 00:43:14,640
Speaker 2: and this thing. I feel very I'm like on my sofa,

889
00:43:14,719 --> 00:43:19,640
Speaker 2: you know, piloting this. Yeah, it's it's I've never driven

890
00:43:19,800 --> 00:43:22,600
Speaker 2: actually an original Hummer, and I imagine it's not a

891
00:43:22,600 --> 00:43:25,920
Speaker 2: good experience compared to this is a very pleasant experience.

892
00:43:26,000 --> 00:43:28,839
Speaker 2: Like when you push the pedal, it goes fast. When

893
00:43:28,840 --> 00:43:33,200
Speaker 2: you push the brake, it stops quickly. The turning rais

894
00:43:33,239 --> 00:43:36,480
Speaker 2: as set is very tight, so you can easily navigate corners.

895
00:43:36,520 --> 00:43:39,080
Speaker 2: You know, I'm coming up to a junction and somebody

896
00:43:39,080 --> 00:43:41,920
Speaker 2: else is making a left in front of me, and

897
00:43:41,960 --> 00:43:43,640
Speaker 2: I'm looking to make it right. I'm not worried about

898
00:43:43,680 --> 00:43:47,360
Speaker 2: going out too far in the intersection. Super easy to handle.

899
00:43:48,000 --> 00:43:53,320
Speaker 2: The infotainment system is very intuitive, Okay. I have owned

900
00:43:53,840 --> 00:43:56,440
Speaker 2: recently Chevy products, so I know how they work. But

901
00:43:57,000 --> 00:44:00,839
Speaker 2: it's like a breeze. Are there improvements that they could make? Yeah?

902
00:44:01,640 --> 00:44:04,560
Speaker 2: The interior when they update it, Please update that, because

903
00:44:04,600 --> 00:44:06,799
Speaker 2: it feels like they just stuck a big screen in

904
00:44:06,840 --> 00:44:10,640
Speaker 2: the middle and the roof panels. It has four roof panels,

905
00:44:10,680 --> 00:44:13,919
Speaker 2: just like a Bronco and when you hit any kind

906
00:44:13,920 --> 00:44:17,960
Speaker 2: of bump or turn a corner too hard, they squeak

907
00:44:18,000 --> 00:44:18,480
Speaker 2: and rattle.

908
00:44:18,920 --> 00:44:20,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, the fit and finish does matter.

909
00:44:20,719 --> 00:44:22,400
Speaker 2: I mean are for the most part. The fit and

910
00:44:22,440 --> 00:44:26,920
Speaker 2: finish is fantastic. It's just the rooftop interesting. Which if

911
00:44:26,960 --> 00:44:28,800
Speaker 2: you pay one hundred and ten thousand dollars for a vehicle,

912
00:44:28,800 --> 00:44:29,840
Speaker 2: it's gonna buy the while.

913
00:44:29,640 --> 00:44:32,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, what about the like have you used

914
00:44:32,760 --> 00:44:36,560
Speaker 1: the little containers, like the storage containers like with I

915
00:44:36,600 --> 00:44:38,880
Speaker 1: remember in the cabin there were some sort of clever

916
00:44:38,960 --> 00:44:42,480
Speaker 1: storage containers that they had put in the back. In

917
00:44:42,520 --> 00:44:44,200
Speaker 1: the front just have a store.

918
00:44:44,320 --> 00:44:46,759
Speaker 2: I haven't been in the back other than to install

919
00:44:47,160 --> 00:44:47,920
Speaker 2: child seats.

920
00:44:48,120 --> 00:44:48,480
Speaker 1: Okay.

921
00:44:49,239 --> 00:44:51,080
Speaker 2: My daughters love it, by the way, because you can

922
00:44:51,160 --> 00:44:53,479
Speaker 2: roll down the rear window. I have the pickup truck

923
00:44:53,560 --> 00:44:57,040
Speaker 2: version and it's awesome. But yeah, there's a ton of

924
00:44:57,080 --> 00:44:59,840
Speaker 2: storage in the front for like as many big gulps

925
00:44:59,840 --> 00:45:04,560
Speaker 2: as you can possibly buy. And I've I've got all

926
00:45:04,600 --> 00:45:09,200
Speaker 2: the pool equipment in there. So like, as a family vehicle,

927
00:45:09,480 --> 00:45:11,920
Speaker 2: it's very functional. I do.

928
00:45:12,080 --> 00:45:14,680
Speaker 1: I do agree it didn't you know, you kind of

929
00:45:14,680 --> 00:45:17,200
Speaker 1: go into driving those things with a little like oh boy,

930
00:45:17,320 --> 00:45:19,880
Speaker 1: here we go, And I remember just getting out of

931
00:45:19,880 --> 00:45:22,200
Speaker 1: it and thinking it's fun. It's cool, it's fun. They

932
00:45:22,200 --> 00:45:26,160
Speaker 1: did a really good job. It's it's exactly what it promises,

933
00:45:26,280 --> 00:45:28,200
Speaker 1: like when you look at it and when you drive

934
00:45:28,280 --> 00:45:30,080
Speaker 1: it and it delivers, and.

935
00:45:30,000 --> 00:45:34,200
Speaker 2: When you pull up quickly to some person in the

936
00:45:34,280 --> 00:45:36,960
Speaker 2: left lane who isn't quite paying attention and they look

937
00:45:37,000 --> 00:45:39,879
Speaker 2: behind them and see that grill, they do move over

938
00:45:39,960 --> 00:45:44,960
Speaker 2: to hate. Not really, but I just you know, when

939
00:45:44,960 --> 00:45:48,040
Speaker 2: I'm when I'm driving through town, a lot of times

940
00:45:48,360 --> 00:45:51,439
Speaker 2: I'll notice like a mom like give me a look

941
00:45:51,480 --> 00:45:54,160
Speaker 2: like how dare you? How dare you drive that in

942
00:45:54,200 --> 00:45:57,600
Speaker 2: our school district. But on the other hand, you know,

943
00:45:57,640 --> 00:46:00,800
Speaker 2: it's like a nice bluish gray and it's got the

944
00:46:00,880 --> 00:46:05,520
Speaker 2: American flags Croco USA, and it's electric. So no, I

945
00:46:05,560 --> 00:46:05,960
Speaker 2: can't hate.

946
00:46:05,960 --> 00:46:07,120
Speaker 1: You can't hate actually on that.

947
00:46:07,480 --> 00:46:10,120
Speaker 2: So yeah, I'm I'm pretty I'm a pretty big fan

948
00:46:10,160 --> 00:46:12,440
Speaker 2: of it. I would say cool, but I'm a sucker

949
00:46:12,440 --> 00:46:14,920
Speaker 2: for any big truck with with big wheels.

950
00:46:14,920 --> 00:46:16,680
Speaker 1: I mean I always come back to the g wagon.

951
00:46:17,080 --> 00:46:21,439
Speaker 1: I love it. Yeah, it's it's an iconic shape, it's polarizing,

952
00:46:21,520 --> 00:46:25,960
Speaker 1: it's been around forever. It does the job. This falls

953
00:46:26,000 --> 00:46:31,359
Speaker 1: into this category of it's a specific philosophy that has

954
00:46:31,360 --> 00:46:34,640
Speaker 1: been executed and maybe you hate it, maybe you like it,

955
00:46:34,680 --> 00:46:36,719
Speaker 1: but it is what it is. You can take it

956
00:46:36,800 --> 00:46:38,880
Speaker 1: or leave it. I really like that. I just I

957
00:46:39,000 --> 00:46:41,319
Speaker 1: just like, give me something interesting and maybe I'll hate it,

958
00:46:41,360 --> 00:46:43,960
Speaker 1: but at least it's something exactly exactly.

959
00:46:44,000 --> 00:46:46,360
Speaker 2: At least it's not another jelly bean.

960
00:46:46,400 --> 00:46:47,680
Speaker 1: Right, it's not in appliance.

961
00:46:47,840 --> 00:46:50,160
Speaker 2: Yeah. Oh, what have you got coming up? Anything?

962
00:46:50,320 --> 00:46:52,200
Speaker 1: Oh? You know, on Monday, I'm going to go finally

963
00:46:52,280 --> 00:46:55,360
Speaker 1: drive the nine to eleven GTS the in Sevilla and

964
00:46:55,440 --> 00:46:58,840
Speaker 1: severe Yeah. Yeah, I'll let you know.

965
00:46:59,120 --> 00:47:02,080
Speaker 2: Very nice. Okay, you know, the screen is the biggest

966
00:47:02,160 --> 00:47:04,680
Speaker 2: problem that I have with that, you know, the lack

967
00:47:04,719 --> 00:47:05,279
Speaker 2: of animal I.

968
00:47:05,280 --> 00:47:08,960
Speaker 1: Will report back speaking of you know, the Bugatti stink

969
00:47:09,000 --> 00:47:11,399
Speaker 1: trying to stay analog. I guess Portia didn't. Yeah.

970
00:47:11,440 --> 00:47:13,799
Speaker 2: I don't know if it's a money saving thing or

971
00:47:14,000 --> 00:47:16,880
Speaker 2: I need to like getting rid of a handbrake, Like

972
00:47:16,960 --> 00:47:18,719
Speaker 2: why do that? I don't get it.

973
00:47:18,800 --> 00:47:19,760
Speaker 1: Sure they'll have an answer.

974
00:47:19,840 --> 00:47:20,600
Speaker 2: I'm sure they will.

975
00:47:20,640 --> 00:47:21,880
Speaker 1: What about you? What do you have coming up?

976
00:47:22,080 --> 00:47:27,239
Speaker 2: Let's see, so in terms of vehicles, I fingers crossed,

977
00:47:28,200 --> 00:47:30,640
Speaker 2: am going to get a Corvette E raate? Well, that'll

978
00:47:30,680 --> 00:47:32,680
Speaker 2: be after you come back out from Sevilla.

979
00:47:33,040 --> 00:47:35,400
Speaker 1: We might have an issue with that. What's that I

980
00:47:35,560 --> 00:47:38,280
Speaker 1: seem to have I'm not supposed to be checking email

981
00:47:38,320 --> 00:47:40,439
Speaker 1: this week, but I might have got an email where

982
00:47:40,440 --> 00:47:45,640
Speaker 1: they said, never mind, due to undo unforeseen circumstances, we

983
00:47:45,719 --> 00:47:47,640
Speaker 1: can't fulfill your press.

984
00:47:47,840 --> 00:47:48,600
Speaker 2: Oh that's a bummer.

985
00:47:49,160 --> 00:47:51,799
Speaker 1: I haven't replied to that email because it annoyed me.

986
00:47:52,480 --> 00:47:56,040
Speaker 2: But so the cool thing is we're gonna The idea

987
00:47:56,120 --> 00:47:58,399
Speaker 2: is we were both gonna drive that time. You would

988
00:47:58,400 --> 00:48:00,719
Speaker 2: have it in La, I'll have it here in New York.

989
00:48:00,880 --> 00:48:03,439
Speaker 1: Yes, you're getting that next week or the week after week,

990
00:48:03,440 --> 00:48:06,319
Speaker 1: week after a weekend. Me too. Me too. I'll have

991
00:48:06,360 --> 00:48:07,160
Speaker 1: to coordinate on that.

992
00:48:07,239 --> 00:48:09,920
Speaker 2: But I'm also excited about it because my friend David Weston,

993
00:48:10,040 --> 00:48:14,359
Speaker 2: who anchors Wall Street Week, has an original Gen one

994
00:48:14,560 --> 00:48:19,960
Speaker 2: C one Corvette cool and cool. He lives near me.

995
00:48:20,560 --> 00:48:22,879
Speaker 2: So I was like, dude, I'm gonna come. I'm gonna

996
00:48:22,880 --> 00:48:25,240
Speaker 2: get this Corvette E Ray it's like the newest, most

997
00:48:25,239 --> 00:48:27,000
Speaker 2: cutting edge. I know it's not the Z six, but

998
00:48:27,040 --> 00:48:30,120
Speaker 2: it's like even more because it's electric, right or hybrid. Yes,

999
00:48:30,400 --> 00:48:32,760
Speaker 2: I'm gonna bring it over and then we're gonna shoot

1000
00:48:32,760 --> 00:48:35,120
Speaker 2: a video where David has his C one and I

1001
00:48:35,160 --> 00:48:37,279
Speaker 2: have this and I get his take on this one,

1002
00:48:37,520 --> 00:48:39,880
Speaker 2: you know, Yeah, and I get to sit in his

1003
00:48:39,960 --> 00:48:43,120
Speaker 2: I've never been in his before, and I think it'd

1004
00:48:43,160 --> 00:48:44,040
Speaker 2: be a cool comparing.

1005
00:48:44,680 --> 00:48:47,320
Speaker 1: He's a big Corvette guy like he is. He doesn't

1006
00:48:47,400 --> 00:48:48,080
Speaker 1: he is not just the.

1007
00:48:48,000 --> 00:48:50,160
Speaker 2: One like when we had when when he heard we

1008
00:48:50,200 --> 00:48:52,520
Speaker 2: are having Jim Farley on the podcast, he said, ask

1009
00:48:52,560 --> 00:48:55,800
Speaker 2: him why they don't make a sports car? He says,

1010
00:48:55,880 --> 00:48:59,040
Speaker 2: he contends that Corvette is the only American made sports

1011
00:48:59,080 --> 00:49:01,120
Speaker 2: car because he says the Mustang has it doesn't have

1012
00:49:01,600 --> 00:49:02,680
Speaker 2: isn't the two seater? You know?

1013
00:49:02,760 --> 00:49:05,480
Speaker 1: Well, as a Corvette owner, I'm not disagreeing.

1014
00:49:05,760 --> 00:49:08,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, So I'm excited to do that.

1015
00:49:08,800 --> 00:49:10,759
Speaker 1: And that'll be good, that'll be great. You don't get well,

1016
00:49:10,920 --> 00:49:13,560
Speaker 1: I'll sort it out. They can find another one. Well.

1017
00:49:13,600 --> 00:49:15,960
Speaker 2: And also you will just have driven the nine to eleven,

1018
00:49:17,239 --> 00:49:17,759
Speaker 2: which is.

1019
00:49:18,440 --> 00:49:19,360
Speaker 1: I'm not coming.

1020
00:49:19,719 --> 00:49:22,800
Speaker 2: Yeah. I hope you get to go like around the region.

1021
00:49:22,960 --> 00:49:26,160
Speaker 1: Me too, you know, I like, I like having track time,

1022
00:49:26,200 --> 00:49:29,719
Speaker 1: of course, but honestly, it's more real world to drive

1023
00:49:29,760 --> 00:49:33,360
Speaker 1: the car on on roads. So I'm imagining it's probably

1024
00:49:33,400 --> 00:49:33,960
Speaker 1: a little both.

1025
00:49:34,040 --> 00:49:36,600
Speaker 2: I feel like track time almost does a disservice to

1026
00:49:36,800 --> 00:49:41,680
Speaker 2: consumers who listen, uh to this podcast or read your

1027
00:49:41,680 --> 00:49:44,480
Speaker 2: reviews to try and decide if they would want a car,

1028
00:49:45,000 --> 00:49:50,080
Speaker 2: because and you see, like all these car journalists, you know,

1029
00:49:50,239 --> 00:49:53,360
Speaker 2: flogging vehicles and motorcycles around the track, and it doesn't

1030
00:49:53,680 --> 00:49:56,600
Speaker 2: really translate at all to what we do on the road.

1031
00:49:56,840 --> 00:49:59,000
Speaker 1: No, I'm rolling my eyes a little bit right now

1032
00:49:59,040 --> 00:50:01,879
Speaker 1: because it's so true true. I mean, they like, look,

1033
00:50:02,719 --> 00:50:05,400
Speaker 1: we're journalists. No one out there is a professional driver.

1034
00:50:06,080 --> 00:50:08,360
Speaker 1: Most of them, if you know, ninety nine percent of

1035
00:50:08,400 --> 00:50:12,040
Speaker 1: them have never even you know, raced in any sort

1036
00:50:12,080 --> 00:50:16,759
Speaker 1: of amateur or professional capacity, or been a drive instructor anything.

1037
00:50:17,440 --> 00:50:19,600
Speaker 1: Who's going to buy the car, myself included, I would

1038
00:50:19,600 --> 00:50:21,919
Speaker 1: never I would never pretend to say that I am

1039
00:50:22,320 --> 00:50:25,160
Speaker 1: so it is kind of you know, yeah, it's nice

1040
00:50:25,200 --> 00:50:27,040
Speaker 1: to drive on the track, but I'm so with you,

1041
00:50:27,120 --> 00:50:30,080
Speaker 1: it's actually much more usable and relatable and you can

1042
00:50:30,160 --> 00:50:33,040
Speaker 1: really sift through the car to have it on the road,

1043
00:50:33,040 --> 00:50:35,040
Speaker 1: because the other thing with the track is it's very

1044
00:50:35,160 --> 00:50:38,640
Speaker 1: very very controlled. You know, you have a specific amount

1045
00:50:38,640 --> 00:50:40,400
Speaker 1: of labs, you have a specific amount of time. A

1046
00:50:40,400 --> 00:50:42,520
Speaker 1: lot of times it's lead follow, and so it's just

1047
00:50:42,600 --> 00:50:46,160
Speaker 1: it's extremely controlled, and it just seems a little like

1048
00:50:46,440 --> 00:50:49,200
Speaker 1: this is just for a journalists bragging rights, which I

1049
00:50:49,280 --> 00:50:50,440
Speaker 1: really don't care exactly.

1050
00:50:50,920 --> 00:50:54,520
Speaker 2: You're you're gonna probably really enjoy your experience. So you're

1051
00:50:55,120 --> 00:50:57,400
Speaker 2: by the way, in terms of the nine to eleven, like,

1052
00:50:58,160 --> 00:51:01,560
Speaker 2: of the million piece people who've bought a nine to eleven,

1053
00:51:02,040 --> 00:51:04,440
Speaker 2: how many people are doing track data in it?

1054
00:51:04,680 --> 00:51:06,640
Speaker 1: Very small percentage, right, very small.

1055
00:51:06,640 --> 00:51:08,800
Speaker 2: I would imagine if you want to go on the track,

1056
00:51:08,920 --> 00:51:11,200
Speaker 2: then you're gonna get a Cayman like, not a nine

1057
00:51:11,200 --> 00:51:11,759
Speaker 2: to eleven. Right.

1058
00:51:11,800 --> 00:51:15,160
Speaker 1: Every pro driver that I talked to that like drives

1059
00:51:15,280 --> 00:51:17,279
Speaker 1: is on these drives. I always say, like, which car

1060
00:51:17,320 --> 00:51:18,760
Speaker 1: do you want on the track? They all love the Cayman.

1061
00:51:18,760 --> 00:51:21,320
Speaker 1: They say it's far more balanced and far more predictable

1062
00:51:21,360 --> 00:51:23,280
Speaker 1: and just a lot more fun and you can really

1063
00:51:23,280 --> 00:51:25,600
Speaker 1: get really you can get more out of it with

1064
00:51:25,719 --> 00:51:26,520
Speaker 1: less effort.

1065
00:51:26,719 --> 00:51:28,680
Speaker 2: I feel like a nine to eleven is your daily driver.

1066
00:51:28,840 --> 00:51:32,880
Speaker 2: It's a great daily driver. Yeah, so you should. Porsche

1067
00:51:32,960 --> 00:51:37,359
Speaker 2: should invite you out to commute in Atlanta, you know

1068
00:51:37,560 --> 00:51:40,000
Speaker 2: they should. They should invite you to a suburb of

1069
00:51:40,040 --> 00:51:42,239
Speaker 2: Atlanta and invite you to drive into the middle of

1070
00:51:42,239 --> 00:51:44,319
Speaker 2: the city during rush hour, and that should be what

1071
00:51:44,360 --> 00:51:45,239
Speaker 2: you write the review on.

1072
00:51:45,560 --> 00:51:48,399
Speaker 1: Just I'll commute in LA That's fine. Atlanta seems really

1073
00:51:48,480 --> 00:51:49,799
Speaker 1: hot and sticky, all.

1074
00:51:49,760 --> 00:51:52,080
Speaker 2: Right, So I'm excited for UH to hear about that.

1075
00:51:52,160 --> 00:51:54,480
Speaker 2: And are you taking Magnus with you too, Savilla?

1076
00:51:54,600 --> 00:51:58,120
Speaker 1: Oh, sadly, what I know? I know, why not?

1077
00:51:58,440 --> 00:52:02,120
Speaker 2: This seems like the perfect opportunity. You just got married.

1078
00:52:02,400 --> 00:52:04,919
Speaker 2: Now you're going to Sevilla. The two of you could

1079
00:52:04,920 --> 00:52:10,719
Speaker 2: go to the Alhambra, you know, in Granada. You could

1080
00:52:10,719 --> 00:52:13,440
Speaker 2: spend a few days on the beach in Marbella, you know.

1081
00:52:13,719 --> 00:52:15,959
Speaker 1: And he looks great in a speedo too. You should

1082
00:52:16,040 --> 00:52:16,640
Speaker 1: really see him.

1083
00:52:16,719 --> 00:52:17,640
Speaker 2: I've heard about that.

1084
00:52:17,719 --> 00:52:20,399
Speaker 1: But once we get that sunscreen on, you know, he's

1085
00:52:20,480 --> 00:52:23,560
Speaker 1: ready to go. I know, it's we have a lot

1086
00:52:23,560 --> 00:52:24,160
Speaker 1: of fun.

1087
00:52:24,520 --> 00:52:26,640
Speaker 2: All right. Well, I hope you have a good time,

1088
00:52:26,680 --> 00:52:30,640
Speaker 2: and do remember the sunscreen? I know, all right, So Friday,

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Speaker 2: dear listener, remember to send us any questions or suggestions.

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Speaker 2: The email address once again.

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Speaker 1: Is hot Pursuit at bloomberg dot net.

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Speaker 2: And that's what we got for this week. We'll see

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Speaker 2: you back here next week. I'm Matt Miller and I'm

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Speaker 1: Hanna Elliott, and this is Bloomberg