WEBVTT - How Clowns Work

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to you Stuff you should know from House Stuff

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<v Speaker 1>Works dot com. Hey, and welcome to the podcast. I'm Joe. Joe.

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<v Speaker 1>There's Chuckles, this is Stuff you should know the podcast.

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<v Speaker 1>And there's Jerry. She has a regular name. Hey. That

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<v Speaker 1>was pretty good. Thanks. They could have also this could

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<v Speaker 1>also be like how late night talk show hosts work too. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>Krusty the Clown was on my mind during a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of this. I thought that was your step Meyers. Non guy,

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<v Speaker 1>did you say that? It was just completely ludicrous joke.

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<v Speaker 1>I haven't watched this show yet. I haven't earn I

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<v Speaker 1>like the guy though, good guy. I don't watch anything

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<v Speaker 1>but Conan. Yeah, I don't even watch Conan really. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I do want Hodgeman's on. I record it, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>and then watch it the next day. Yeah. I don't

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<v Speaker 1>stay at whatever times Canna say, geez, I guess you

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<v Speaker 1>don't go to Early Bird for dinner anymore either. You

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<v Speaker 1>have to watch Conan. Hey early. Speaking of Conan, big

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<v Speaker 1>shout out to Brian Kylie, Rob Kutner and Dan Cronin

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<v Speaker 1>and Seth Meyers. No, they are writers for Conan and

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<v Speaker 1>they treated me to a lunch that was very nice

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<v Speaker 1>at Warner Brothers. Thanks for inviting me, guys, and uh, Conan.

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<v Speaker 1>If you think we get neat fan gifts, you ought

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<v Speaker 1>to see the stuff Conan gets. Oh, man, like what

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<v Speaker 1>well there was? Well? I met the masterbaiting bear guy

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<v Speaker 1>who I won't reveal his name, but he's the guy

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<v Speaker 1>that's done it all these years. And someone sent him

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<v Speaker 1>like a four ft tall tree trunk hand carved bear

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<v Speaker 1>them bear. Really. Yeah, it was beautiful. I got pictures

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<v Speaker 1>all this. And then Conan has a life size Lego

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<v Speaker 1>Conan that someone sent him that's pretty, and a life

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<v Speaker 1>size a hundred thousand dollars worth of Legos probably is,

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<v Speaker 1>and then a life size ConA made of pencils that

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<v Speaker 1>was really neat looking. Yeah. Wow, So they just had

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<v Speaker 1>the stuff. I was like, man, I mean, I like

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<v Speaker 1>our little photoshop stuff, but you know, Cooper needs to

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<v Speaker 1>step it up. Nice life sized lego Josh and check.

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<v Speaker 1>It would be kind of cool. Anyway, I just want

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<v Speaker 1>to say thanks to those guys. Are awesome. Yes, and

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<v Speaker 1>they're supporters of us, Thanks guys, yeah, supporters of you

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<v Speaker 1>at least, and they're clowns. That was a great segaway, dude,

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<v Speaker 1>great is that why you thank them in this episode, sure,

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<v Speaker 1>because they're clowns. That that was good. You've scared of clowns.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not scared of clowns, not at all. I mean

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<v Speaker 1>the scary clowns that are supposed to be scary and

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<v Speaker 1>horror movies are creepy, of course, But like, I don't

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<v Speaker 1>have any kind of a phobia. What's it called the

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<v Speaker 1>official phobia colura phobia? Right? Which also includes um It's unofficial,

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<v Speaker 1>by the way. UM. It also includes things like costumed

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<v Speaker 1>characters like Mickey Mouse and UM, stuff like that. It's

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<v Speaker 1>not just clowns, right, right, So it's the d s M,

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<v Speaker 1>which is the infallible Bible of psychology and psychiatry. UM

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<v Speaker 1>has an entry for fear of clowns, lumped together with

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<v Speaker 1>other childhood fear of costume characters. That one I can

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<v Speaker 1>I can identify what I think I ran away from,

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<v Speaker 1>like snow White or something at Disney World when I

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<v Speaker 1>was a kid, And there's just always been something about

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<v Speaker 1>somebody being dressed up in costume that I've found unnerving.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna scare a lot of kids. I'm not overtly

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<v Speaker 1>afraid of clown sure, but just costume people, and I

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<v Speaker 1>get that, like I get like, you know, what are

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<v Speaker 1>you hiding kind of thing, which I think is informs

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<v Speaker 1>the basis of cool or a phobia. Yeah, and a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of the show, it turns out it is going

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<v Speaker 1>to be about that, because it's one of the most

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<v Speaker 1>interesting parts of clowning. But um, one guy later on

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<v Speaker 1>in this article put it, it makes sense. It's like

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<v Speaker 1>some clowns are just not great at it, and you know, well,

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<v Speaker 1>like yeah, like lungeon a kid or something. And he says,

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<v Speaker 1>they seem like they're on the attack. And he said

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<v Speaker 1>a big part of teaching clowning is to teach personal

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<v Speaker 1>space and like how to not come at a kid

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<v Speaker 1>because they think you look weird. Well change and if

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<v Speaker 1>you come at him like too fast, then it's it

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<v Speaker 1>might scare them. And especially these days, to like, clowns

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<v Speaker 1>today are still following a tradition from the early to

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<v Speaker 1>mid twentieth century. Kids today aren't really hip with the

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<v Speaker 1>mid twentieth century. They're not into like mid century modern

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<v Speaker 1>like art or design or anything like that, and so

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<v Speaker 1>clowns are about as creepy to them as like an

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<v Speaker 1>old wooden toy. It's just awful little. It's an uncanny

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<v Speaker 1>expet it And as a result, there's this two thousand

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<v Speaker 1>and eight UM study to the UK that the BBC

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<v Speaker 1>reported on that found that most of the children in

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<v Speaker 1>this study, I think there was like two fifty population

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<v Speaker 1>sample um feared and or disliked clowns. Most of the

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<v Speaker 1>kids in the study. That's a lot of sad clowns, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and a lot of scared kids. So think the point

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<v Speaker 1>is to just keep clowns and kids away from one another.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, are you ready to go back in time? Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>happen the old way back machine. It's London and it's

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<v Speaker 1>eighteen o three, and there's a man named Joseph Grimaldi

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<v Speaker 1>and he, for all intents and purposes, has just invented

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<v Speaker 1>the modern what we now think no as the clown. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>very purposefully too, got the white makeup. They still call

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<v Speaker 1>clowns Joey's because that was his character name. That's a

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<v Speaker 1>nickname for clowns. Oh. He was he huge, like not

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<v Speaker 1>only did he invent clowns, and like today still they

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<v Speaker 1>they you know, tip their clown hat at Grimaldi for

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<v Speaker 1>inventing the clown. He um in his day, he was huge.

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<v Speaker 1>There was a legend that supposedly an eighth of the

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<v Speaker 1>population of London had seen him on stage. A lot

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<v Speaker 1>of people and still today on London's East End there

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<v Speaker 1>um is a church that has an annual mass in

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<v Speaker 1>his honor and everyone comes in full clown makeup and

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<v Speaker 1>costume the church for Grimaldi, he was a big deal.

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<v Speaker 1>He was very, very famous for the time. He was

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<v Speaker 1>a very well known person. And he had a contemporary

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<v Speaker 1>too at about the same time in France named de Brow,

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<v Speaker 1>and both of them oddly were um. They had really

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<v Speaker 1>kind of sad backstories. Yeah, which we'll get to that

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<v Speaker 1>that's sort of lends itself, no mean to get ahead

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<v Speaker 1>of ourselves. That lends itself to the dark underbelly of

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<v Speaker 1>clowning and why it might have this reputation. But what

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<v Speaker 1>clowning really sprung from was uh, from the beginning of

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<v Speaker 1>time almost there were gestures essentially um and all types

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<v Speaker 1>of all over the world than all cultures. Yeah, it

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<v Speaker 1>seems to be universal. Um. There were at least as

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<v Speaker 1>far back as the like bc um in Egypt, in

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<v Speaker 1>China there are already jesters, uh, pranksters, clowns, tricksters, something

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<v Speaker 1>of that ilk mischief makers. Yeah, and and in totally

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<v Speaker 1>disparate societies that never met one another, like um in

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<v Speaker 1>Native America. Different Native American societies had some version of

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<v Speaker 1>the clown or the jester. Yeah. During a natural Navajo

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<v Speaker 1>ritual chance, they would clowns would come into disrupt performances,

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<v Speaker 1>bump into the dancers, Pueblo clowns. They would have a

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<v Speaker 1>sacred offering and they would come bouncing in and and

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<v Speaker 1>kind of mock what was going on and maybe like

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<v Speaker 1>do alude sex act in the middle of this very

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<v Speaker 1>serious ceremony to the gods. Yeah, or the spirits. That's

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<v Speaker 1>a that's a big deal. That's a an an unusual

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<v Speaker 1>role for someone to play. Sometimes they were considered shamans,

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<v Speaker 1>like they were imbued with some sort of power as well. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>they were. They were held in high esteem. The same

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<v Speaker 1>thing went on in Japan with the taikomochi. Yeah, right,

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<v Speaker 1>it means drum bearer. Drum bearer. They were in the

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<v Speaker 1>red light districts and apparently, uh in the late sixteen hundreds.

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<v Speaker 1>Their deal was when the when the party starts to wane,

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<v Speaker 1>they were to bounce in and like get the party

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<v Speaker 1>started again. Hey. Yeah, And they were actually the original Geisha.

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<v Speaker 1>They were men and they were later replaced by women.

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<v Speaker 1>But the Taychomochi were the original versions of the Geisha,

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<v Speaker 1>and the Taychomochi in the Red Light District actually ended

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<v Speaker 1>up there because this period of peace settled over Japan

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<v Speaker 1>because prior to that they were court jesters and also

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<v Speaker 1>like military advisors. So once they weren't needed for that,

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<v Speaker 1>they ended up in the Red Light District, like, let's

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<v Speaker 1>get this party. Party. So in India, the the official

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<v Speaker 1>jesters there were a member of the Brahmin, which was

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<v Speaker 1>the highest social class. Right, Yeah, that's where it's the

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<v Speaker 1>class that I who's a member of? Oh? Really did

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<v Speaker 1>he say that? But that's what his mom said. When

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<v Speaker 1>he thinks she thinks that who's married to Marge? She goes,

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<v Speaker 1>surely your children are aware of your bram inheritance embarkoes

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<v Speaker 1>so long as there's no follow up questions. Absolutely, fully, man,

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<v Speaker 1>that's a good one. Your knowledge is way deeper than mine.

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<v Speaker 1>For the Simpsons too much. I think I stopped watching

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<v Speaker 1>before you did too, But you still watch, right? Yeah?

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<v Speaker 1>I fell off again, yeah, on again, off again. Um.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, So we're in India and the brah mean

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<v Speaker 1>they One of the things you'll notice over and over

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<v Speaker 1>here with jesters is what they really are are satirists.

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<v Speaker 1>And their job is too and they were the only

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<v Speaker 1>ones that could do this really was to poke fun

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<v Speaker 1>at the leaders. They would they would never bounce in

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<v Speaker 1>and talk about how great the king is. They would

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<v Speaker 1>bounce in and talk about how fat the king is

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<v Speaker 1>and make jokes about like how many meals have you

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<v Speaker 1>had today? Well, yeah, and so there's their Their role

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<v Speaker 1>was to say, um, poke holes into the king's stupid ideas.

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<v Speaker 1>Whereas the rest of the court would be like, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>great idea, Um, you should paint the Great Wall of China,

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<v Speaker 1>whereas the jester would be like, yeah, that's a great idea.

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<v Speaker 1>Where you going to get all that paint from your dummy? Well,

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<v Speaker 1>speaking of China, I think they had some of the

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<v Speaker 1>best names, and they have a great tradition of clowning,

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<v Speaker 1>and they had legends named twisty Pole. Uh Baldi chun

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<v Speaker 1>you that's the name of the podcast. That's a good one.

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<v Speaker 1>And this one I don't get moving bucket. I don't

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<v Speaker 1>get that one either. It probably makes sense in Chinese.

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<v Speaker 1>Another one I came across was newly polished mirror. Really

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<v Speaker 1>with the name of a clown. That's no baldly chun,

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<v Speaker 1>you though. Interesting. Uh. And then in Poland, um, there

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<v Speaker 1>was a legendary jester named Stanzik and I looked up

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<v Speaker 1>this guy. He was He was a legend beyond clowning.

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<v Speaker 1>He was like the political satirist of his day. Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>He worked for three different kings and was very intelligent,

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<v Speaker 1>political philosopher and satirist. That uh, it's still like revered

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<v Speaker 1>in Poland, as you know, a necessary thing. Yeah. Supposedly

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<v Speaker 1>one of his most famous stories was the king of

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<v Speaker 1>Poland that he was working for had a bear imported

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<v Speaker 1>from I think Russia or something, maybe Prussia, and um

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<v Speaker 1>let it loose so he could hunt it. And the

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<v Speaker 1>bear came back the king and the court and the

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<v Speaker 1>queen and like almost killed everybody. And um, the king

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<v Speaker 1>later criticized stan Chick for running off, and stan Chick said, well,

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<v Speaker 1>I was smarter than letting a cage bear loose something

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<v Speaker 1>along those lines, And the King was like, oh touche,

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<v Speaker 1>and everyone laughed, and then the bear eight the king. Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>In ancient room chuckers they used to call the court

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<v Speaker 1>jester's stupidest stupidest Huh, yeah, that makes sense. Uh. Grimaldi

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<v Speaker 1>himself came out of the rich tradition in Italy, um

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<v Speaker 1>called the Comedia del arte tradition. And uh, this is

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<v Speaker 1>in the fourteenth century, and it was some people say

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<v Speaker 1>these were like the first professional actors in the world

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<v Speaker 1>were coming out of Italy at the time in this program. Right.

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<v Speaker 1>So at the time, you were basically if you were

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<v Speaker 1>a clown or a jester or something, you were probably

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<v Speaker 1>a member of a court. If you're a member of

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<v Speaker 1>a Native American tribe or um in most parts of Africa,

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<v Speaker 1>and you were a jester, you belong to the community

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<v Speaker 1>rather than the specific leader. UM. But in Europe and

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<v Speaker 1>China and Egypt and all over wherever there was royalty,

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<v Speaker 1>there was usually a jester of some sort, right, Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>But one of the ways that jester spread, especially saying

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<v Speaker 1>in Europe, was from um a jester being forced to

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<v Speaker 1>hit the road first, stepping over the line, getting kicked doubt.

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<v Speaker 1>And that's one way that it kind of spread. Clowning

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<v Speaker 1>originally spread to the masses was you may run across

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<v Speaker 1>the court jesters down on his luck traveling along the

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<v Speaker 1>road because he's kicked out a court all this great

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<v Speaker 1>material exactly, but he's still a jester. He's gonna make

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<v Speaker 1>you laugh, you know. Yeah, that makes sense, so that

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<v Speaker 1>it's interesting. I think the king's tolerated to a certain degree,

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<v Speaker 1>but if they're having a bad day, they're just like,

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<v Speaker 1>all right, you're out here exactly. Yeah. And there's there's

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<v Speaker 1>um at least some debate over whether how how much

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<v Speaker 1>of the idea that a jester was the only one

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<v Speaker 1>who could speak his mind towards the king. Um. Not

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<v Speaker 1>that the idea was that more people in the court

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<v Speaker 1>could speak their mind, but that the jester couldn't even

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<v Speaker 1>speak their mind. In some cases, there were some documented

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<v Speaker 1>versions like um, the one in Persia Kareem Charay who

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<v Speaker 1>um told the king the Shahnaz Sardin apparently said there

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<v Speaker 1>a short of shortage of food, and uh Kareem said, yes,

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<v Speaker 1>I see that, your majesty is eating only five times

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<v Speaker 1>a day, and then he made this little boatie spin,

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<v Speaker 1>but he got the point across that, Yeah, it's a

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<v Speaker 1>shortage of food and you're not helping anything. Your cloister

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<v Speaker 1>it up here in your ivory tower, and um, you

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<v Speaker 1>need to open up your eyes, your majesty, I'd like

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<v Speaker 1>to see some of Baldi chunyus material. I would love

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<v Speaker 1>to see that too. I bet he killed Oh bet

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<v Speaker 1>he did as well, Chuck. So we'll get to what

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<v Speaker 1>clowning is specifically right after this. Alright, clowning, my friend,

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<v Speaker 1>is a lot of things, but what it is in

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<v Speaker 1>all cases is exaggeration. Um. Movements are exaggerated, your appearances exaggerated.

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<v Speaker 1>That's why they wear big goofy suits and big goofy

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<v Speaker 1>use the makeup to makeup. Of course, a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>people look at a clown and say you're disguising something.

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<v Speaker 1>The point of clown makeup is quite the opposite. It's

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<v Speaker 1>meant to exaggerate the emotions that are already there. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>like the big, huge smile or frown, the big frown. Yeah. Um.

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<v Speaker 1>And I read one pro clowns um description of what

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<v Speaker 1>clowning means, and he said, clowns aren't actors. We're not

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<v Speaker 1>supposed to pretend. What clowns do is exaggerate the the

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<v Speaker 1>emotions that we already have inside. So if you're a

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<v Speaker 1>really good clown, you're going to play up. You know

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<v Speaker 1>that the anger at being rebuffed when you're trying to

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<v Speaker 1>get a laugh from somebody, or you're gonna play up

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<v Speaker 1>your stage fright at performing in front of some people.

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<v Speaker 1>Like when you see a clown like acting a certain way,

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<v Speaker 1>you're you're supposed to understand that what they're they're actually

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<v Speaker 1>feeling that, right, then it's just being it's it's being

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<v Speaker 1>broadcast on a clown scale. Yeah, And part of that

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<v Speaker 1>is for comedic effect, and part of it is uh

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<v Speaker 1>quite literally because in a circus, uh, you have a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of people and you may may be sitting very

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<v Speaker 1>far away from you. So these big movements and the

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<v Speaker 1>slapstick um which actually I never knew this slapstick was

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<v Speaker 1>an actual physical tool. Never heard of that. Yeah, it was.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like looks like a paddle with another paddle hinge

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<v Speaker 1>to it. And back in the old days of the

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<v Speaker 1>Comedia dell Art in Italy, they would um strike someone

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<v Speaker 1>with this paddle and then of course the other paddle

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<v Speaker 1>on the hinge would smack really hard on the on

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<v Speaker 1>the wood and so they could hit someone not too hard,

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<v Speaker 1>but make it sound huge, sound like they had been

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<v Speaker 1>hit really hard. And that's where slapstick comes from. That's

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<v Speaker 1>the word slaps and um, we keep mentioning Comedia dell Art. Um,

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<v Speaker 1>that's where Grimaldi came out of. And this was the

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<v Speaker 1>original place where the clown really first made it on

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<v Speaker 1>the stage. Because remember when Comedia dell Art was establishing itself,

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<v Speaker 1>for the most part, clowns were relegated to court gester

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<v Speaker 1>ship right, yeah, than mimes later yea, so exactly. Um,

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<v Speaker 1>So Comedia dell Art was this, um, this player production,

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<v Speaker 1>and in the middle of it, or in different points, um,

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<v Speaker 1>there'd be like a break or an intermission or something

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<v Speaker 1>like that, and that would come like the jugglers and

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<v Speaker 1>the baton twirlers. And there were also little skits and

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<v Speaker 1>sketches and plays themselves that were intended for comic relief.

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<v Speaker 1>And one of those is called the harlequin Aide, and

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<v Speaker 1>Harlequin you recognize Harlequin as one of the jokers, the jesters,

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<v Speaker 1>that kind of thing. Um, there's actually a character in

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<v Speaker 1>the Harlequin Aide that was a clown, and Grimaldi originally

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<v Speaker 1>played that character. And that character was, um kind of

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<v Speaker 1>a bumpkin, a rustic rube. And as a matter of fact,

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<v Speaker 1>the word clown supposedly comes from a sixteenth century German

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<v Speaker 1>word for like a country bumpkin um. So that was

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<v Speaker 1>the original character. Well, Grimaldi came along in about eighteen

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<v Speaker 1>hundred and started playing this in the pantomime, which was

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<v Speaker 1>that break in the media dell Art for comic relief exactly.

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<v Speaker 1>And then the Harlequinade was a a little mini play

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<v Speaker 1>that was a panomime in the Comedia dell Art, right,

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<v Speaker 1>and then the clown was a character in the Harlequinade,

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<v Speaker 1>and Grimaldi played it, but he said, you know what,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not feeling this country bumpkin thing. I think this

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<v Speaker 1>guy's actually highly sophisticated, very smart, hilarious and body and

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<v Speaker 1>he started to play the character like that, and all

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<v Speaker 1>of a sudden, the clown went from a minor supporting

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<v Speaker 1>character to the reason the people were coming to the

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<v Speaker 1>Comedia dell Art productions the panomime, so they were stealing

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<v Speaker 1>the thunder of the legit actors exactly. And from that

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<v Speaker 1>moment the clown went from specifically a rustic country boob

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<v Speaker 1>to the clown that we start to understand today with

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<v Speaker 1>face pain and like colored hair and everything. Did you

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<v Speaker 1>just laugh as I said, boom, No, I just rustic

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<v Speaker 1>country boob sounded like the name of like my memoir

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<v Speaker 1>or something. It just struck me as a nice title.

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<v Speaker 1>I just want a small, small royalty when you publish those, Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>except I would be Rustic City boob. Yeah, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>sort of play on that whole thing. Yeah, that big

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<v Speaker 1>it's even better n Sharknado and now the title for

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<v Speaker 1>your memoirs, you're on fire. Um, So clowning. One thing

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<v Speaker 1>that you'll also notice the clowns do a lot and

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<v Speaker 1>this is not every clown, but a lot of clowning involves,

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<v Speaker 1>um play violence like slapstick. Yeah, like they're hitting. It's

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<v Speaker 1>like the three students, they're hitting each other a lot.

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<v Speaker 1>They're knocking each other down. Um. A big clown thing

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<v Speaker 1>to do is to like disrupt the the legit act.

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<v Speaker 1>Like we're clowns and we're gonna do, uh this neat

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<v Speaker 1>thing where we all hold this ladder and climate and

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<v Speaker 1>then another clown will come in and bust the ladder

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<v Speaker 1>down and everyone will fall and it's all part of

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<v Speaker 1>the act. But a lot of the Navajo clowns, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>same thing, basically to disrupt the act. That's that's happening

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<v Speaker 1>through violence, or they may just be jerks and like

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<v Speaker 1>smell my flour ops you get a squirt in the face.

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<v Speaker 1>So if you're paying attention to a group of clowns

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<v Speaker 1>in their routine, you'll actually notice that, Um, there's usually

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<v Speaker 1>a very clear line of command. Yeah, there's a hierarchy

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<v Speaker 1>for sure, there actually is, and it depends on you

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<v Speaker 1>can tell who's in charge before the show even starts

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<v Speaker 1>based on their makeup. Actually it's it's um delineated by that.

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<v Speaker 1>So first you've got the white face clown, which Grimaldi

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<v Speaker 1>was one, so is Boza, the clown who will talk

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<v Speaker 1>about later. Um, but the white face clown is the

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<v Speaker 1>one who's in charge. And going back to the three stooges,

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<v Speaker 1>they actually um get across the hierarchy of clowns pretty clearly.

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<v Speaker 1>So the white face clown is mostly he's still a clown, um,

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<v Speaker 1>but he's Boston the other ones around. He's a signing job. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and he might be the the most um hostile out

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<v Speaker 1>of all of them. And then after that, and again,

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<v Speaker 1>the white face clown has completely white paint all over

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<v Speaker 1>his face and head and neck. Her fringe counterpart, you're

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<v Speaker 1>talking about, the clown that he created was a white

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<v Speaker 1>flace clown. Um, the perrot p I e r r

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<v Speaker 1>O t po sounds good and that's a kind of

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<v Speaker 1>clown as well. But the pierrot is a white face clown, right,

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<v Speaker 1>So the white face clown is in charge of he

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<v Speaker 1>or she is at the top of the heat of

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<v Speaker 1>the After that you have the August clown. The August

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<v Speaker 1>clown is the one that um Usually they have that sloppy,

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<v Speaker 1>oversized um outfit, huge like suspenders hanging on hanging even

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<v Speaker 1>bigger pants up. Um. The makeup is probably like flesh toned, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>but like the eyes will like be super arched and

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<v Speaker 1>like the smile will be really big and red. Probably

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<v Speaker 1>a big red nose, although I think the the white

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<v Speaker 1>face clown can have that too. But if you have

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<v Speaker 1>a white face and an August clown next to each other,

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<v Speaker 1>the August clown's red ball nose is probably going to

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<v Speaker 1>be a little bit bigger. And the August clown is

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<v Speaker 1>um definitely the one who takes orders from the white

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<v Speaker 1>faced clown, but um also a little more um hilarious maybe,

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<v Speaker 1>so like the August clown would be um maybe Larry

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<v Speaker 1>Larry probably curly though, because you get he's kind of

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<v Speaker 1>a boob. You know, Yeah, he's not a rustic country boom,

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<v Speaker 1>but he's just you know, kind of fun and lovable

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<v Speaker 1>and and he's still taking orders. What about simp sm

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<v Speaker 1>completely breaks this whole analogy apart. So with the Augusta clown,

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<v Speaker 1>it was um invented by a man named lu Jacobs,

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<v Speaker 1>and there was there was a team Albert Freatellini and

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<v Speaker 1>Lu Jacobs a clown team, and Fredlini was also part

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<v Speaker 1>of the Fredellini Brothers and he was the one who

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<v Speaker 1>invented the red nose. Oh yeah, which I thought it

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<v Speaker 1>was pretty interest Yeah it is. Yeah. But then then

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<v Speaker 1>we have the tramp or the hobo, right, that's the

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<v Speaker 1>next guy. Yeah, that one was invented by a dude

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<v Speaker 1>named Emmett Kelly, and he actually invented the sad Hobo clown,

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<v Speaker 1>which you can immediately bring to mind. I would imagine

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<v Speaker 1>just you're hearing sad Hobo clown, the downcasts, frown face,

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<v Speaker 1>the stubble like five o'clock shadow. Yeah, the tattered tweed

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<v Speaker 1>jacket patches, and the bendle bendel bag on the stick.

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<v Speaker 1>So Emmett Kelly comes up with the sad Hobo clown,

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<v Speaker 1>and that's become a fixture of clowning, and that tramp

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<v Speaker 1>hobo or bag lady clown is the one that's the

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<v Speaker 1>lowest rung on the ladder, the highest on the totem pole.

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<v Speaker 1>It kind of occurred to me when I was reading

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<v Speaker 1>this that they're sort of I mean, are they making

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<v Speaker 1>fun of the homeless? You know, in a way. I

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<v Speaker 1>think that's probably a sticky thing that clowns don't like

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<v Speaker 1>to address, but very very much so. I mean that's

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<v Speaker 1>clearly what they're they're aping is you know, closes or tattered.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't have a place to lay my head, and

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<v Speaker 1>I'm a sad hobo. And you have to understand, like

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<v Speaker 1>Emmet Kelly came up with this in the thirties or forties,

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<v Speaker 1>maybe at a time when it was okay to make

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<v Speaker 1>fun of people who were down on their luck like that.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know why, but yes, And I thought the

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<v Speaker 1>same thing too. I was like, wow, this is like

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<v Speaker 1>making a clown version of homeless people. Yeah. I think

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<v Speaker 1>what they would say, my guess is that they would say, there,

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<v Speaker 1>you should have a lot of sympathy for the hobo clown.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, and you're we're trying to elicit sympathy, not

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<v Speaker 1>necessarily laughs at my expense. Yeah, even though they do that,

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<v Speaker 1>But they're the ones who are like, um, sweeping the

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<v Speaker 1>mess that the other one's made up when the spotlight

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<v Speaker 1>goes out, trying on the inside and outside to sweep

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<v Speaker 1>sweeping the circus debt. Those are the three big ones.

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<v Speaker 1>There's also a character clown, which is makes up a

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<v Speaker 1>fourth class of clown. Rodeo clowns fall into that, although

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<v Speaker 1>they're technically more like the working clown there, like a

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<v Speaker 1>sheep dog clown, but a character clown would be like

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<v Speaker 1>a keystone cop or an astronaut clown. Basically, if you

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<v Speaker 1>can come up with the profession that uses a costume

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<v Speaker 1>and then make a clown version of it, that's a

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<v Speaker 1>character clown. So those are the doctor clown. Oh yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>what was that video hospital clowning on Found Footage Festival. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>this video Josh found is a guy that made a

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<v Speaker 1>series of clown instructional videos. A medical clown which they

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<v Speaker 1>do valuable, valuable service by going to children's hospitals and

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<v Speaker 1>things and kids feel better. But this guy did some

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<v Speaker 1>instructional videos on how to do this and what to

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<v Speaker 1>do and what not to do. What not to do

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<v Speaker 1>is very important. Don't touch a covered part because you

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<v Speaker 1>never know if they've just had their leg amputated, was

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<v Speaker 1>one piece of advice. It's so funny. Um, yeah, so go. Actually,

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<v Speaker 1>if you go, if you're listening to this on our

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<v Speaker 1>website on that the podcast page for this EPISOD it

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<v Speaker 1>should be in the links. Yeah, we'll definitely put that

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<v Speaker 1>in there. If not, and you don't feel like going

0:26:04.480 --> 0:26:07.600
<v Speaker 1>to our website, just look up Hospital Clowning Found Footage

0:26:07.600 --> 0:26:10.479
<v Speaker 1>Festival and it will come up. It's wonderful, it is.

0:26:10.600 --> 0:26:12.960
<v Speaker 1>It is delightful. We we talked about it on our

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<v Speaker 1>Internet round Up video show as well. So the big

0:26:17.160 --> 0:26:20.320
<v Speaker 1>question here is why is this funny? Why do we

0:26:20.359 --> 0:26:24.360
<v Speaker 1>need this? Why do people indulge clowns? Um, we're not indulge.

0:26:24.400 --> 0:26:25.920
<v Speaker 1>Why do they like clowns? It's a better way to

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<v Speaker 1>put Why do we let clowns get away with making

0:26:28.119 --> 0:26:30.760
<v Speaker 1>fun of the homeless? Um? I think a good reason

0:26:30.960 --> 0:26:33.320
<v Speaker 1>that's pointed out in the article on how stuff works

0:26:33.600 --> 0:26:37.800
<v Speaker 1>is that, um, we have a very rigid, complex society

0:26:37.800 --> 0:26:39.720
<v Speaker 1>that we live in, and there are rules in their

0:26:40.440 --> 0:26:43.000
<v Speaker 1>social order and uh, you know, we have to maintain

0:26:43.000 --> 0:26:47.560
<v Speaker 1>our good behavior, and so clowning is a safety valve,

0:26:48.119 --> 0:26:51.840
<v Speaker 1>is how this author put it. Two. You know, we

0:26:51.920 --> 0:26:55.119
<v Speaker 1>can live vicariously through the clown who breaks down those

0:26:55.400 --> 0:26:57.920
<v Speaker 1>social norms and says, I'll do whatever I want. I'll

0:26:57.960 --> 0:27:01.320
<v Speaker 1>make fun of the king, or I'll know, squirt this

0:27:01.359 --> 0:27:04.240
<v Speaker 1>little kid in the face with water. Everybody hates that.

0:27:04.880 --> 0:27:09.080
<v Speaker 1>And um, you know since the French clown he'd beat

0:27:09.080 --> 0:27:10.840
<v Speaker 1>a kid to death with his cane in the street

0:27:10.880 --> 0:27:12.880
<v Speaker 1>from making fun of him. That's taking it too far.

0:27:13.040 --> 0:27:15.359
<v Speaker 1>Well he did, and he I looked this up. He

0:27:15.400 --> 0:27:18.040
<v Speaker 1>went to trial and was acquitted, but um, apparently it

0:27:18.160 --> 0:27:20.840
<v Speaker 1>was like the trial of the century because everyone wanted

0:27:20.880 --> 0:27:23.680
<v Speaker 1>to hear him speak. Oh he was a silent clown.

0:27:23.720 --> 0:27:27.600
<v Speaker 1>Was a silent clown. Um the pioas So, yeah, he

0:27:28.040 --> 0:27:29.520
<v Speaker 1>had a kid that was making fun of him and

0:27:29.560 --> 0:27:32.320
<v Speaker 1>he killed him. He didn't mean to you meant to

0:27:32.359 --> 0:27:34.600
<v Speaker 1>hit him. He didn't get me to kill him. He

0:27:34.640 --> 0:27:37.560
<v Speaker 1>said it was a single blow, and I imagine he

0:27:37.640 --> 0:27:42.360
<v Speaker 1>was just like not again, yeah, or he would mind

0:27:42.400 --> 0:27:45.200
<v Speaker 1>whatever that is. So I want to address what you said.

0:27:45.200 --> 0:27:47.639
<v Speaker 1>The role of clowns are and this is gonna be

0:27:47.680 --> 0:27:50.240
<v Speaker 1>like the most sour puss thing you've heard today, but

0:27:50.280 --> 0:27:52.480
<v Speaker 1>it really makes sense in a way. So, yes, the

0:27:52.600 --> 0:27:55.960
<v Speaker 1>role of the clown is to vent the general populations

0:27:56.000 --> 0:27:59.919
<v Speaker 1>frustrations that abuse heaped on us by the ruling class,

0:28:00.119 --> 0:28:03.399
<v Speaker 1>or the conventions of society or what happened, and the

0:28:03.480 --> 0:28:07.480
<v Speaker 1>clown allows us to to feel better about things because

0:28:07.480 --> 0:28:10.560
<v Speaker 1>this is being made fun of, its being addressed. But

0:28:10.640 --> 0:28:13.280
<v Speaker 1>you can also make the case that in that sense,

0:28:13.400 --> 0:28:19.520
<v Speaker 1>the clown satire anything that provides that function in society

0:28:19.880 --> 0:28:24.880
<v Speaker 1>actually just keeps the status quo in place, because rather

0:28:24.960 --> 0:28:29.680
<v Speaker 1>than any real change coming about from those simmering frustrations

0:28:29.720 --> 0:28:33.600
<v Speaker 1>that are aren't allowed to event that once they're released

0:28:33.600 --> 0:28:36.840
<v Speaker 1>then we can just move along. But nothing's actually really changed.

0:28:36.920 --> 0:28:40.360
<v Speaker 1>It's been satirized, and so we're satisfied to a certain degree.

0:28:41.160 --> 0:28:44.960
<v Speaker 1>You know. I know it's a really like kind of

0:28:45.480 --> 0:28:49.320
<v Speaker 1>view of clowns in general, but it really does keep

0:28:49.360 --> 0:28:52.440
<v Speaker 1>the status quo in place, and a really effective ruler

0:28:52.760 --> 0:28:56.040
<v Speaker 1>will allow him or herself to have just enough fun

0:28:56.120 --> 0:28:59.480
<v Speaker 1>poke that so that um he or she appears to

0:28:59.520 --> 0:29:02.080
<v Speaker 1>have been brought down a peg, but really the power

0:29:02.200 --> 0:29:06.200
<v Speaker 1>is totally unchecked by that. Yeah, interesting, we should do

0:29:06.200 --> 0:29:08.960
<v Speaker 1>one on satire. That's a pretty rich subject. I think

0:29:09.000 --> 0:29:13.040
<v Speaker 1>the function of a satirist is um important. But um,

0:29:13.120 --> 0:29:14.800
<v Speaker 1>you do raise a good point, like at the end

0:29:14.800 --> 0:29:17.280
<v Speaker 1>of the day, what does change come about because of it?

0:29:17.400 --> 0:29:19.560
<v Speaker 1>Or is it just well, at least we all got

0:29:19.560 --> 0:29:23.520
<v Speaker 1>to laugh right at this, which serves, which serves a function?

0:29:23.760 --> 0:29:28.160
<v Speaker 1>It does serve a function, It serves to play kate. Yeah, interesting,

0:29:28.440 --> 0:29:33.480
<v Speaker 1>thanks man, that is that's all mine, Josh right, copyright.

0:29:34.360 --> 0:29:36.719
<v Speaker 1>So we should probably take a break, um, and then

0:29:36.760 --> 0:29:38.760
<v Speaker 1>we'll come back and talk a little more about you

0:29:38.880 --> 0:30:00.680
<v Speaker 1>guessed it clowns. All right, we're back. And by the way, yeah,

0:30:00.800 --> 0:30:03.120
<v Speaker 1>if you have heard some weird sounds in the background

0:30:03.120 --> 0:30:05.240
<v Speaker 1>of this one, it's because some jerk in this building

0:30:05.280 --> 0:30:07.360
<v Speaker 1>is using a drill. You're not insane, and they're not

0:30:07.400 --> 0:30:10.120
<v Speaker 1>supposed to be doing that right now. But it's hopefully

0:30:10.120 --> 0:30:11.800
<v Speaker 1>it's not too distracting. It's sort of here and there.

0:30:11.920 --> 0:30:13.920
<v Speaker 1>I just want to mention that, Yeah, you're not hearing

0:30:13.960 --> 0:30:18.120
<v Speaker 1>the hume. So careers and clowning, my friend, Yeah, you

0:30:18.240 --> 0:30:21.880
<v Speaker 1>mentioned hospital clowning. That's definitely a way to go. University

0:30:21.880 --> 0:30:24.880
<v Speaker 1>of Haifa in Israel has a I think a bachelor's

0:30:24.880 --> 0:30:28.600
<v Speaker 1>degree in medical clowning, and it's exactly what it sounds like.

0:30:28.640 --> 0:30:32.520
<v Speaker 1>You're you learn to go into hospitals and raise the spirits,

0:30:32.600 --> 0:30:35.200
<v Speaker 1>usually of kids, but I think it applies to just

0:30:35.280 --> 0:30:37.479
<v Speaker 1>about anybody in a hospital who wants to have their

0:30:37.520 --> 0:30:41.240
<v Speaker 1>spirits picked up and react. Well, the clowns think kids

0:30:41.280 --> 0:30:44.280
<v Speaker 1>mainly medical clown I know, I like, get out of

0:30:44.320 --> 0:30:46.800
<v Speaker 1>my hospital room. Yeah, an adult that's going in for

0:30:46.880 --> 0:30:49.800
<v Speaker 1>like a bypasser. Try it's a clown in the room. No,

0:30:49.920 --> 0:30:51.640
<v Speaker 1>that's just my thing. That just makes a clown want

0:30:51.680 --> 0:30:56.120
<v Speaker 1>to try harder. Just no bad touch, don't touch any

0:30:56.200 --> 0:31:00.200
<v Speaker 1>covered parts. So, UM, membership is waning these days, as

0:31:00.320 --> 0:31:04.360
<v Speaker 1>in the World Clown Association. UM, they don't keep exact stats,

0:31:04.400 --> 0:31:08.240
<v Speaker 1>but they UM anecdotally say that it's drop by about

0:31:08.240 --> 0:31:12.240
<v Speaker 1>a third in recent years. Um. But like I said,

0:31:12.280 --> 0:31:13.640
<v Speaker 1>you can be a pro clown. You can go to

0:31:13.760 --> 0:31:17.800
<v Speaker 1>Wringling Brothers as a clown college in Sarasota. Dude, it

0:31:17.920 --> 0:31:21.520
<v Speaker 1>is brutal as far as competition goes what to get in. Yeah,

0:31:21.680 --> 0:31:23.800
<v Speaker 1>I'm sure. So in two thousand and thirteen they had

0:31:23.800 --> 0:31:26.600
<v Speaker 1>five thirty one applicants from around the world and they

0:31:26.680 --> 0:31:30.280
<v Speaker 1>let in two clowns. They selected fourteen to come to camp.

0:31:30.600 --> 0:31:36.560
<v Speaker 1>They hired eleven. Yeah, that's pretty pretty competitive. Um, and

0:31:36.600 --> 0:31:39.160
<v Speaker 1>there's only twenty six total clowns that work for all

0:31:39.200 --> 0:31:42.680
<v Speaker 1>of England. Brothers, Barnum and Bailor. They shuffle them around

0:31:42.720 --> 0:31:44.680
<v Speaker 1>the three circuses that are going on, and they didn't

0:31:44.680 --> 0:31:47.160
<v Speaker 1>give him point in time. Interesting, but it pays pretty well.

0:31:47.200 --> 0:31:49.160
<v Speaker 1>They inject them with formalde hyde and put them in

0:31:49.160 --> 0:31:51.880
<v Speaker 1>a cryogenic chamber. You will never die, ship them to

0:31:51.920 --> 0:31:55.320
<v Speaker 1>a different part of the country, regenerate them, put on

0:31:55.360 --> 0:31:59.880
<v Speaker 1>their red nose. Then it's all good show time circusl A,

0:32:00.120 --> 0:32:02.280
<v Speaker 1>you can do a lot worse than that, my friend,

0:32:02.760 --> 0:32:04.640
<v Speaker 1>if you want to go that route. It's a different

0:32:04.720 --> 0:32:07.840
<v Speaker 1>kind of clowning, but it's I think a little more

0:32:07.880 --> 0:32:11.360
<v Speaker 1>of the old Italian and European style. It depends w

0:32:11.440 --> 0:32:15.480
<v Speaker 1>they go for both. Yea, they go for like a

0:32:15.720 --> 0:32:20.760
<v Speaker 1>character comedy and then I think like physical slapsticks straight up. Yeah,

0:32:21.200 --> 0:32:23.600
<v Speaker 1>but you can make up to two k a year

0:32:23.760 --> 0:32:28.280
<v Speaker 1>at circus. I think that's like for all performers. Yeah,

0:32:28.440 --> 0:32:31.440
<v Speaker 1>at Wrinkling Brothers. Apparently for clowns they can make up

0:32:31.480 --> 0:32:34.480
<v Speaker 1>to nine two K a year. K means a thousand,

0:32:34.520 --> 0:32:37.880
<v Speaker 1>that's right, and by that I mean dollars. Uh, if

0:32:37.880 --> 0:32:40.840
<v Speaker 1>you're into French clowning and can go to Paris and

0:32:40.880 --> 0:32:46.560
<v Speaker 1>study at the ecole A international de Theater Jacques leco

0:32:47.160 --> 0:32:53.640
<v Speaker 1>Jacques Lecoq theater, Jacques Lecoq. That was pronounced Yeah, sure,

0:32:53.680 --> 0:32:56.920
<v Speaker 1>it's not leco No. It's definitely the coup, okay, So

0:32:57.080 --> 0:33:00.920
<v Speaker 1>he don't you remember lacock sportief like um tennis ware

0:33:01.000 --> 0:33:04.680
<v Speaker 1>from the eighties. I called it leco No, it's lacoc okay.

0:33:04.760 --> 0:33:06.400
<v Speaker 1>I mean either that I have been saying things wrong

0:33:06.440 --> 0:33:09.120
<v Speaker 1>for thirty years, which is entirely possible, but I'm almost

0:33:09.160 --> 0:33:12.640
<v Speaker 1>positive because think about he's a clown, Jacques Lecoq. I

0:33:12.680 --> 0:33:15.600
<v Speaker 1>mean it's very funny. I know, it's hilarious. It's way

0:33:15.640 --> 0:33:18.560
<v Speaker 1>funnier than Jacques leco So if it is Jacques leco

0:33:18.640 --> 0:33:20.440
<v Speaker 1>this guy should have thought his name out a little better.

0:33:20.480 --> 0:33:23.560
<v Speaker 1>It's a good point. So Jacques Lecoq was a big

0:33:23.600 --> 0:33:26.320
<v Speaker 1>innovator in clowning, and he had a school um that

0:33:26.440 --> 0:33:28.160
<v Speaker 1>this is still based on, you know, in Paris. But

0:33:28.200 --> 0:33:30.240
<v Speaker 1>he had a school back in the day where his

0:33:30.360 --> 0:33:37.040
<v Speaker 1>big thing was um called the via negativa or negativa,

0:33:37.240 --> 0:33:41.520
<v Speaker 1>which is basically basically like, he doesn't say what you're

0:33:41.520 --> 0:33:44.880
<v Speaker 1>doing is right or wrong. Um, he's he's not there

0:33:44.920 --> 0:33:46.720
<v Speaker 1>to teach you a set of skills. He's to teach

0:33:46.720 --> 0:33:49.120
<v Speaker 1>you to do what you do best right and to

0:33:49.200 --> 0:33:52.480
<v Speaker 1>embrace your own style. It's pretty neat. I found that

0:33:52.600 --> 0:33:55.760
<v Speaker 1>just about anywhere um I saw like how to clown

0:33:55.920 --> 0:33:58.520
<v Speaker 1>or anything like that. During research. One of the main

0:33:58.600 --> 0:34:02.680
<v Speaker 1>things was figure out your style of clown and it's

0:34:02.680 --> 0:34:05.240
<v Speaker 1>based on who you are, and then just figure out

0:34:05.280 --> 0:34:08.560
<v Speaker 1>how to bring that out as big as possible, but

0:34:08.600 --> 0:34:10.839
<v Speaker 1>that it was all about you and and figuring out

0:34:10.880 --> 0:34:13.920
<v Speaker 1>your own jam um. They also suggest that you should

0:34:13.920 --> 0:34:18.000
<v Speaker 1>probably have at least one talent like still walking, juggling

0:34:18.480 --> 0:34:22.680
<v Speaker 1>balloon animals is a big one too, something like that.

0:34:23.600 --> 0:34:25.600
<v Speaker 1>But they pointed out that you should be able to

0:34:25.640 --> 0:34:28.840
<v Speaker 1>be funny with no props whatsoever. And then you start

0:34:28.880 --> 0:34:31.840
<v Speaker 1>incorporating props, well, it's probably good to practice them along

0:34:31.840 --> 0:34:34.520
<v Speaker 1>the way. Give up that rubber chicken though, and really

0:34:34.560 --> 0:34:38.080
<v Speaker 1>work for a little while and and be funny without

0:34:38.080 --> 0:34:40.000
<v Speaker 1>the rubber chicken. Then when you add the rubber chicken,

0:34:40.360 --> 0:34:43.440
<v Speaker 1>you're really going to be funny, right, Um, but that

0:34:43.880 --> 0:34:47.360
<v Speaker 1>all is based on Remember, clowns are exaggerations of a

0:34:47.440 --> 0:34:52.600
<v Speaker 1>human personality and specifically that person's personality, and so that's

0:34:52.640 --> 0:34:58.000
<v Speaker 1>what you're supposed to work on. Initially. Yeah, so, um,

0:34:58.040 --> 0:35:03.520
<v Speaker 1>I think are we now at the the colerophobia? Yeah?

0:35:03.520 --> 0:35:07.200
<v Speaker 1>I think so? Why do people hate clowns? Why are

0:35:07.200 --> 0:35:11.000
<v Speaker 1>people afraid of clowns? So initially we talked about Grimaldi

0:35:11.040 --> 0:35:15.160
<v Speaker 1>and Debrow having pretty grim backstories, and like everybody knew

0:35:15.160 --> 0:35:18.480
<v Speaker 1>it at the time. Everyone went to de bros Um trial.

0:35:19.400 --> 0:35:23.600
<v Speaker 1>Grimaldi apparently used to crack that he was grim all day,

0:35:23.640 --> 0:35:27.359
<v Speaker 1>but he made you, he delighted you at night, right, Yeah,

0:35:27.440 --> 0:35:30.040
<v Speaker 1>play on his name, right, So everyone knew that he

0:35:30.160 --> 0:35:33.280
<v Speaker 1>had this depressing life. His son was an alcoholic clown

0:35:33.320 --> 0:35:36.640
<v Speaker 1>who died of drink at thirty one. Yeah, his father

0:35:36.840 --> 0:35:40.440
<v Speaker 1>was a stage father, a tyrant. Supposedly his first wife

0:35:40.480 --> 0:35:46.320
<v Speaker 1>died during childbirth. Um. Grimaldi was in bad physical shape

0:35:46.360 --> 0:35:49.200
<v Speaker 1>from all the slapstick that he performed over the years,

0:35:49.280 --> 0:35:51.880
<v Speaker 1>and everyone knew this, and yet he was a clown

0:35:52.400 --> 0:35:54.719
<v Speaker 1>and no one thought, oh, that's kind of weird for

0:35:54.760 --> 0:35:57.279
<v Speaker 1>a clown, or very ironic for a clown to have

0:35:57.360 --> 0:36:02.360
<v Speaker 1>a terrible life, in part because Grimaldi invented the modern clown.

0:36:02.719 --> 0:36:04.920
<v Speaker 1>So that was the conception of the modern clown for

0:36:04.960 --> 0:36:08.560
<v Speaker 1>a very long time. It wasn't until the early twentieth

0:36:08.640 --> 0:36:12.719
<v Speaker 1>century that clowns were taken away from this idea that

0:36:12.760 --> 0:36:18.080
<v Speaker 1>they were adults, pranksters um kind of body humor and

0:36:18.160 --> 0:36:22.000
<v Speaker 1>placed squarely in the realm of little kids, and they

0:36:22.000 --> 0:36:25.120
<v Speaker 1>were expected to be happy all the time and kind

0:36:25.120 --> 0:36:30.000
<v Speaker 1>of these fantastic creatures that cannot possibly ever really be

0:36:30.160 --> 0:36:33.520
<v Speaker 1>that way. So automatically clowns were set up to be

0:36:34.160 --> 0:36:36.560
<v Speaker 1>something kind of creepy because they were held to these

0:36:36.560 --> 0:36:39.120
<v Speaker 1>really high standards that they could never meet. And for

0:36:39.160 --> 0:36:41.320
<v Speaker 1>a little while it worked like Bose of the Clown

0:36:41.760 --> 0:36:45.920
<v Speaker 1>was huge. There was apparently, so Bose of the Clown

0:36:46.320 --> 0:36:49.880
<v Speaker 1>on TV was a franchise, right, so if you were

0:36:49.880 --> 0:36:52.720
<v Speaker 1>a local TV station, you could have your own Bows

0:36:52.719 --> 0:36:54.200
<v Speaker 1>of the Clown and put on your own Bows of

0:36:54.280 --> 0:36:56.520
<v Speaker 1>the Clown show. But at the main one at w

0:36:56.640 --> 0:36:59.880
<v Speaker 1>g N in Chicago, the waiting list for tickets to

0:37:00.000 --> 0:37:03.920
<v Speaker 1>the studio audience was ten years long, and as a

0:37:03.920 --> 0:37:07.640
<v Speaker 1>matter of fact, Willard Scott played Bozo and Willard Scott

0:37:07.760 --> 0:37:11.120
<v Speaker 1>went on to become Ronald McDonald from playing Bozo and

0:37:11.200 --> 0:37:15.840
<v Speaker 1>the Ronald McDonald was inspired by Bozo because McDonald sponsored

0:37:15.880 --> 0:37:19.560
<v Speaker 1>the Bozo Show and they saw how crazy popular this

0:37:19.600 --> 0:37:21.479
<v Speaker 1>clown was with the kids, so they made their own clown,

0:37:21.560 --> 0:37:25.640
<v Speaker 1>Ronald McDonald, so that they could better market to kids exactly.

0:37:25.719 --> 0:37:29.400
<v Speaker 1>And it worked, it did. But then eventually, I think

0:37:29.440 --> 0:37:32.400
<v Speaker 1>there was always this idea that this is a little weird,

0:37:32.480 --> 0:37:34.719
<v Speaker 1>this is creepy, like nobody can be that happy. What

0:37:34.800 --> 0:37:37.920
<v Speaker 1>do you you know, what's going on there? Well, Charles

0:37:37.960 --> 0:37:41.120
<v Speaker 1>Dickens wrote Um the Memoir, He edited the memoir of

0:37:41.680 --> 0:37:45.520
<v Speaker 1>Grimaldi when he died, and he basically laid it all

0:37:45.560 --> 0:37:50.160
<v Speaker 1>out there about what a ghastly, you know, sort of

0:37:50.280 --> 0:37:52.600
<v Speaker 1>person that this guy was in real life. And it

0:37:52.680 --> 0:37:55.560
<v Speaker 1>was a huge hit, Like people bought this book like crazy.

0:37:55.640 --> 0:37:59.920
<v Speaker 1>So you coupled that with um Pierrot or what was

0:38:00.000 --> 0:38:07.280
<v Speaker 1>his real name, Debrow who killed a kid, goes on trial,

0:38:07.880 --> 0:38:11.320
<v Speaker 1>and so you have this very sort of dark seed planet.

0:38:11.600 --> 0:38:13.640
<v Speaker 1>And then, like you said, years later, all of a sudden,

0:38:13.960 --> 0:38:16.280
<v Speaker 1>it's not meant for body adults at you know, getting

0:38:16.320 --> 0:38:19.239
<v Speaker 1>drunk watching Shakespeare's Let's take these guys and put them

0:38:19.239 --> 0:38:22.400
<v Speaker 1>around our kids. Yeah, exactly, So you have a recipe

0:38:22.480 --> 0:38:27.279
<v Speaker 1>for at the very least clowns to be confusing and

0:38:27.320 --> 0:38:29.880
<v Speaker 1>then all of a sudden chuck out of nowhere. In

0:38:31.320 --> 0:38:36.439
<v Speaker 1>the worst case scenario, nightmare comes to pass. John Wayne Gacy. Yeah, yeah,

0:38:36.719 --> 0:38:39.440
<v Speaker 1>the idea that was in all the parents back to

0:38:39.560 --> 0:38:41.520
<v Speaker 1>their heads, like this is a little creepy. This is

0:38:41.520 --> 0:38:43.719
<v Speaker 1>a grown man hanging out with my kids, and he's

0:38:44.280 --> 0:38:48.240
<v Speaker 1>he's he's sort of acting out these weird, happy, happy

0:38:48.400 --> 0:38:51.759
<v Speaker 1>violent things, like he's tripping people and squirting them, and

0:38:52.160 --> 0:38:56.960
<v Speaker 1>he looks creepy. And now he's another killer. Yes, he's

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<v Speaker 1>a serial killer as a clown, Pogo to the clown,

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<v Speaker 1>but yet serial killer of the worst variety. And he

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<v Speaker 1>was larger in charge because I think Polo the clown

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<v Speaker 1>was a white faced clown I remember correctly. Oh yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean there's you look up the pictures of Gaycey

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<v Speaker 1>as a clown. That's about the creepiest thing on the internet. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>So he, uh, you know how many kids he killed?

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<v Speaker 1>Like thirty three young boys? Yeah, thirty five and he

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<v Speaker 1>was convicted of thirty three, I believe. But he didn't

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<v Speaker 1>help the case of clowns. Uh, by like when he

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<v Speaker 1>went to prison, he would still paint pictures of clowns

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<v Speaker 1>and of himself as as a clown, and it was

0:39:30.480 --> 0:39:33.600
<v Speaker 1>like he had he had quite a collection of paintings

0:39:33.600 --> 0:39:37.000
<v Speaker 1>from prison that did not do anything but reinforced the

0:39:37.040 --> 0:39:39.279
<v Speaker 1>fact that clowns are creepy, right, And of course there

0:39:39.400 --> 0:39:43.880
<v Speaker 1>was like international news a clown found to be a

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<v Speaker 1>killer and sexual predatory serial version of it. It definitely

0:39:50.640 --> 0:39:53.359
<v Speaker 1>captured the public imagination from that point on. It was like,

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<v Speaker 1>clowns are now overtly sinister. Yeah, and in movies, killer

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<v Speaker 1>clowns from outer space or it. Well, yeah, Stephen King's

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<v Speaker 1>Pennywise the Clown, Yeah, that was one of the legendary

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<v Speaker 1>scary clowns. That new one on American Horror Story, Twisty. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>have you seen that one? But if you look at

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<v Speaker 1>it so so John Wayne Gaze is scary in real life.

0:40:14.000 --> 0:40:18.960
<v Speaker 1>Pennywise the Clown pretty scary, but still you know, masterfully scary.

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<v Speaker 1>Now you've gotten to Twisty the Clown on American Horror Story,

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<v Speaker 1>and he's like, he's as scary as it comes. But

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<v Speaker 1>think about the amount of violence they're having to imbue

0:40:31.239 --> 0:40:36.080
<v Speaker 1>in this guy and show graphically because this frightening clown

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<v Speaker 1>has become such a trope over time, it's just got

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<v Speaker 1>to get more intense and extreme, right Like, eventually, just

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<v Speaker 1>to really get the full thrill, like theater promoters are

0:40:47.120 --> 0:40:48.799
<v Speaker 1>going to have to stand the clown and to kill

0:40:48.840 --> 0:40:52.920
<v Speaker 1>half the audience to scare the other half in real life,

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<v Speaker 1>So what you're saying is it's a loop, an endless

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<v Speaker 1>loop where clowns are getting worse and worse and worse.

0:41:01.000 --> 0:41:02.799
<v Speaker 1>I don't know. I think eventually it'll just be so

0:41:02.880 --> 0:41:05.520
<v Speaker 1>played out that people be like, oh, a scary clown. Seriously,

0:41:06.520 --> 0:41:10.480
<v Speaker 1>you actually use this. And eventually what will happen was,

0:41:11.400 --> 0:41:16.239
<v Speaker 1>or will I think be that clowns can There'll be

0:41:16.280 --> 0:41:20.000
<v Speaker 1>a door and opening for clowns to regain some of

0:41:20.040 --> 0:41:26.120
<v Speaker 1>their innocence from that, but to a negotiated degree, because

0:41:26.120 --> 0:41:29.320
<v Speaker 1>they'll have gone through that period of being overtly frightening

0:41:29.360 --> 0:41:33.200
<v Speaker 1>and associated with something really sinister lurking beneath the surface,

0:41:33.600 --> 0:41:37.080
<v Speaker 1>and maybe we'll expect a little less from clowns and

0:41:37.120 --> 0:41:39.520
<v Speaker 1>then therefore they can take their rightful place once more.

0:41:39.960 --> 0:41:41.920
<v Speaker 1>But having to go through this, it sounds to me

0:41:42.000 --> 0:41:45.400
<v Speaker 1>like you're predicting a clown renaissance, A clown renaissance, A

0:41:45.520 --> 0:41:49.600
<v Speaker 1>well maintained and tasteful clown renaissance. Maybe not a Golden

0:41:49.600 --> 0:41:55.160
<v Speaker 1>Age or a Heyday, but something that's stable indefinitely. Well.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, the other thing I think we talked about

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<v Speaker 1>this on the internet roundup is the French teenagers that

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<v Speaker 1>were dressing a clowns, causing mayhem and they're not helping anything.

0:42:03.160 --> 0:42:05.520
<v Speaker 1>None of that helps. And then there's other cases I've

0:42:05.520 --> 0:42:09.600
<v Speaker 1>seen where where was it I don't think it was

0:42:09.640 --> 0:42:12.920
<v Speaker 1>England where there was just this creepy clown just just

0:42:12.960 --> 0:42:16.120
<v Speaker 1>sit there hanging around. I think it was in Canada, Canada.

0:42:16.480 --> 0:42:18.279
<v Speaker 1>It might have been in both actutions. None of these

0:42:18.280 --> 0:42:22.560
<v Speaker 1>things are helping legit clowns. I'm sure they're all like, thanks, guys,

0:42:23.239 --> 0:42:25.440
<v Speaker 1>we're just dressing up and being creepy on a bench,

0:42:25.800 --> 0:42:28.600
<v Speaker 1>just sitting midnight. Yeah, at midnight. But when you think

0:42:28.640 --> 0:42:30.040
<v Speaker 1>about it, there's it could just be a clown that

0:42:30.080 --> 0:42:31.760
<v Speaker 1>got up work. I mean, why is that so creepy?

0:42:31.960 --> 0:42:35.719
<v Speaker 1>I don't think that's it. Um. I want to give

0:42:35.760 --> 0:42:39.399
<v Speaker 1>a shout out to a Smithsonian article that we used

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<v Speaker 1>in part for this. It's called The History and Psychology

0:42:42.200 --> 0:42:46.319
<v Speaker 1>of clowns being scary, which is pretty clunky title, but

0:42:46.400 --> 0:42:49.879
<v Speaker 1>it was a very good, comprehensive, exhaustive article on that,

0:42:50.080 --> 0:42:53.200
<v Speaker 1>So go check that out. Agreed, Uh, you got anything

0:42:53.200 --> 0:42:55.359
<v Speaker 1>else right now? No, if you want to know more

0:42:55.400 --> 0:42:57.799
<v Speaker 1>about clowns, type that word in the search bar at

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<v Speaker 1>how stuff works dot com. And we should do one

0:43:00.239 --> 0:43:02.640
<v Speaker 1>on just how circus is in general works someday. Have

0:43:02.719 --> 0:43:05.480
<v Speaker 1>we not done that? No, we haven't. We've done circusy things.

0:43:05.520 --> 0:43:10.160
<v Speaker 1>We've done like flame meeting, daredevil's juggling, swords, swallowing like

0:43:10.520 --> 0:43:16.960
<v Speaker 1>human cannonballs, all that jam. But no, no, what's left circuses,

0:43:17.000 --> 0:43:19.120
<v Speaker 1>how circus work? Yeah? But I mean what's left that's

0:43:19.160 --> 0:43:23.799
<v Speaker 1>not those things? We can? We can, We'll find it. Okay. Uh,

0:43:24.000 --> 0:43:26.279
<v Speaker 1>I think I said search part, didn't I? I think so? Well,

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<v Speaker 1>it's time for the listener maw. I'm gonna call this

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0:44:08.120 --> 0:44:11.560
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