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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, Michael Miller's past her husband's

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Speaker 1: home rated by the FBI after Mike's mysterious suicide.

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Speaker 2: I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories. Thank you for

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Speaker 2: being with us.

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Speaker 3: God hates divorce.

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Speaker 2: But why?

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Speaker 4: According to everybody I've asked and the scriptures that I've found,

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Speaker 4: it's because it hurts people.

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Speaker 2: But does abuse hurt people?

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Speaker 5: How do you think God feels about that?

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Speaker 6: I almost ink counting now one one?

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Speaker 4: What's the address of your emergency?

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Speaker 7: I just want my family to know where to find me.

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Speaker 8: I got this late next to her body, and it's

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Speaker 8: been down with their body about four times this week.

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Speaker 2: It each time it still didn't hit me. I thought

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Speaker 2: she was going to wake up.

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Speaker 4: You know.

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Speaker 8: I even tried to raise her from the dead one

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Speaker 8: time this week.

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Speaker 1: To my knowledge, that only happened twice in history. There

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Speaker 1: was Lazarus who was raised from the dead if you

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Speaker 1: choose to believe the Bible, and I do.

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Speaker 2: And then of course there was Christ.

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Speaker 1: Now did I just understand John Paul Miller, the husband

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Speaker 1: of a beautiful, beautiful on the inside and the out

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Speaker 1: young woman Micah now dead? Did he just say I

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Speaker 1: laid next to her body and spent time with her

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Speaker 1: body four times this week and it didn't He hit me.

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Speaker 1: I thought she was going to wake up. I even

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Speaker 1: tried to raise her from the dead. Okay, Laura and

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Speaker 1: Colin joining me investigative reporter co hosts Primetime Crime on YouTube.

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Speaker 2: You can find her at Popcrime dot Tv. Lauren, Did

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Speaker 2: I hear that right? I need a reality check?

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Speaker 1: Did he just say he tried to raise her from

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Speaker 1: the dead and he laid by her body four times

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Speaker 1: and he still didn't realize that she was dead.

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Speaker 2: Yes, Nancy, You're correct he said that.

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Speaker 9: John Paul Miller has said a plethora of odd statements,

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Speaker 9: and I also want to point out that when he

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Speaker 9: announced his wife's death, it was almost like a side

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Speaker 9: note at the end of this sermon, which just did

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Speaker 9: not sit right with me.

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Speaker 1: In the last days, the FBI has rated Micah Miller's

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Speaker 1: husband's home. Why with me an all star panel to

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Speaker 1: make sense of what we know right now? But before

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Speaker 1: I get into the raid, I want to speak to

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Speaker 1: Anna Francis.

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Speaker 2: This is Micah's sister. Anna. Thank you for being with us.

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Speaker 1: Were you surprised at all when you learned the FBI

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Speaker 1: I'm not talking about Andy and Barney from Mayberry. I'm

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Speaker 1: talking about the FBI rating his home. Were you surprised

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Speaker 5: I don't think you'reness really surprised with anything that happens anymore.

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Speaker 5: It seems like no matter what is going on in

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Speaker 5: this case, there's things that are happening in right and

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Speaker 5: left field the whole time. So our families basically just

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Speaker 5: staying hopeful that justice will come for Micah. But nothing

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Speaker 10: While many speculate as to the reason the FBI rated

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Speaker 10: swarmed Micah Miller's husband's home, many believe that somehow, some

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Speaker 11: Investigators at Lumber River State Park are notified by a

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Speaker 11: kayaker at four twenty three pm that a body is

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Speaker 11: in the river and a black bag with idea of

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Speaker 11: money found on the bank of the river is turned

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Speaker 11: over to law enforcement as well. Officers recover two spend

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Speaker 11: casings and one live round on the bank of the river,

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Speaker 11: and there's no sign of a physical struggle. A regional

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Speaker 11: pathologist is called to the scene for assistance. Micah Miller

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Speaker 11: is found submerged in the river beside tree limbs about

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Speaker 2: An A.

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Speaker 1: Francis joining us. This is Micah's sister. When did you

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Speaker 1: learn that Micah had passed away?

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Speaker 5: That night?

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Speaker 5: And I got a call from my brother, actually it

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Speaker 5: So he told me what had happened, and I just

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Speaker 5: But just disbelief is what happened first through my mind

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Speaker 1: Regina Ward, this is Micah's sister's lawyer, attorney.

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Speaker 2: For her family.

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Speaker 1: You can find her at attorney Regina Ward dot com.

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Speaker 2: Regina, thank you for being with us.

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Speaker 1: Why is it do you believe that so many supporters

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Speaker 1: of Micah still believe that somehow the husband's responsible.

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Speaker 12: Well, obviously there are too many questions that are unanswered.

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Speaker 12: There are things that don't.

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Speaker 6: Add up to a logical thought.

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Speaker 12: Pattern, and so those types of things obviously keep it questionable.

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Speaker 12: And the other thing, you know, I guess at the

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Speaker 12: without that information, looking at everything else, mister Miller's bizarre

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Speaker 12: behavior after the passing of his wife, so many things,

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Speaker 12: and plus the history of that relationship certainly makes you know,

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Speaker 1: For so long, she had lived basically under a rain

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Speaker 1: of fear. She was undermined at every turn by alleged affairs,

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Speaker 1: her tires being flatted, her car being taken, one thing

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Speaker 2: Long story short, we do know this, Listen.

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Speaker 13: Micah contacted police after her estranged husband posted an indecent

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Speaker 13: photo of her on a Facebook group called Big Boobs

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Speaker 13: posted anonymously, there was nothing they could do. John Paul

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Speaker 13: Miller apologized to Micah via email, telling her I'm sorry

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Speaker 13: for putting a picture of you on the internet. He added,

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Speaker 13: I just wanted to try and hurt you. He also

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Speaker 13: included it was evil of me to do that.

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Speaker 1: Of course, it has been ruled a suicide, yet that

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Speaker 2: Straight out to Eric J.

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Speaker 1: Davis, private investigator licensed in this jurisdiction, you can find

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Speaker 1: him at RDFIG that is Richardson Davis and Forrest Investigative Group,

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Speaker 1: And for my purposes he's former FBI supervisory Agent.

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Speaker 2: Eric Davis, thank you for being with us. I find

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Speaker 2: that very.

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Speaker 1: Difficult to believe that the pastor writes puts in writing,

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Speaker 1: I'm sorry for putting the picture of you on the Internet.

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Speaker 1: evil of me to do that. Yet that has not

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Speaker 1: been prosecuted. So how hard is it to prove? I mean,

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Speaker 1: I'm sure everybody's heard of IP Internet provider address. Any

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Speaker 2: Whence it came. It's like a fingerprint.

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Speaker 1: Then we've got in writing the man apologizes he did

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Speaker 1: it posting her indecent photo on a site called Big

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Speaker 1: Boobs and Nice Curves. Really, and that wasn't prosecuted, Eric Davis?

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Speaker 2: Why?

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Speaker 6: Well, it maybe Broski the SBI conducted raid and brought

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Speaker 6: the evidence response team into JP's house, and that could

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Speaker 6: have been for a myriad or reasons. But certainly that

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Speaker 6: be a white collar offense having to do with the

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Speaker 6: church and money movement. It's hard to know until you

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Speaker 6: get hold of the Affidavid. And when you have a

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Speaker 6: search warrant, that means a special agent went to a

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Speaker 6: But the Affidavid, I'm sure is sealed right now, so

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, you know what.

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Speaker 1: Eric Davis joining us from Richardson, Davis and Forrest Investigative Group.

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Speaker 1: I like what you just said because you know how

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Speaker 1: the fads love money trail. But that said, Karen Start,

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Speaker 1: I need help. I need a shrink. Karen Start renounced

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Speaker 1: psychologists joining us out of Manhattan TV radio trauma expert.

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Speaker 1: You can find her at Karenstart dot com. Karen with

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Speaker 1: the Karen, thanks again for being with us. Posting your

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Speaker 1: wife's photo, Anna Francis.

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Speaker 2: Was it a naked photo? Was she closed in anyway?

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Speaker 14: From what I could tell it was a naked photo, Nancy,

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Speaker 14: but it was blurred, and every step of the way

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Speaker 14: the police did not investigate. When she complained about anything

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Speaker 14: was subtly, very subtly taking over her life and he

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Speaker 14: they didn't investigate the photo.

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Speaker 2: She was married.

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Speaker 14: They kept coming up with reasons for why they could

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Speaker 1: Karen Starke, I agree with everything you just said, but

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Speaker 1: my question was not that your response was un responsive.

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Speaker 1: I asked you about a man that would post well

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Speaker 2: You got to help me out. I don't understand the thinking,

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Speaker 14: It's just what he's all about, and he knows that

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Speaker 1: Guys, we were learning that in the last days, the

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Speaker 2: What's happening? Listen?

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Speaker 11: Pastor John Paul Miller isn't home and the FBI Evidence

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Speaker 11: The FBI won't say what they're looking for. An FBI spokesman,

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Speaker 5: I just want to let you know that I'm alive

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Speaker 5: and well, and I'm going through a lot, and it's hard.

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Speaker 14: Circumstances would change. I pray that the fear inside would

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Speaker 1: Nay, it's very hard to believe that Michah Miller is dead.

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Speaker 1: Our body found submerged in a body of water. Joining

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Speaker 1: me an all star panel. But I want to go

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Speaker 1: first to Chris joining us, who claims that the pastor

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Speaker 1: John Paul Miller begged her for nude photos.

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Speaker 2: Christianna, thank you for being with us. What happened?

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Speaker 1: Okay, I want to hear the whole thing, Christianna. What

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Speaker 4: Just well, he said that he wanted to see well,

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Speaker 1: So you're a waitress in a restaurant. He comes in,

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Speaker 1: he gives you his phone number, right, and you start

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Speaker 2: Okay, did you mentioned this was in February of what year?

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Speaker 1: This year, twenty twenty four, and that would have been

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Speaker 2: You said he was also generally sleazy in what way?

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Speaker 1: And all this time you knew he's a pat not

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Speaker 2: So what happened?

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Speaker 4: We didn't text a whole lot. It was for about

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Speaker 2: Covering up his behavior.

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Speaker 4: And I was unable to find any way to contact

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Speaker 2: Did you ever tell him you knew he was a

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Speaker 4: I did not.

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Speaker 2: What did you do with the screenshots? Did you ever

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Speaker 7: So?

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Speaker 4: And this man responded with yes, lots new lol, days

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's really interesting that he is coming to you

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Speaker 2: For naked photos.

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Speaker 1: This in comparison to what he just told WPDE listen.

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Speaker 8: Never once, in any way, shape or form, not in

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Speaker 1: That's from our friends at WPDE ABC fifteen. Hold on,

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Speaker 1: let's analyze that Anna Francis is with me. This is

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Speaker 1: I took better care of her than any man could

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Speaker 1: that include hitting on Christina in a restaurant and asking

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Speaker 1: for nude photos? Then, just days after your sister's death

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Speaker 5: Happening, l l There's a lot that he will try

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Speaker 1: Hona, I appreciate your thought that he will live in

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Speaker 2: But let me ask you a question.

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Speaker 1: Okay, when a snake, let's just say, rattlesnake, bites and

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Speaker 5: I don't think snakes have feelings, and I don't think

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Speaker 1: I wouldn't count on him to live the rest of

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Speaker 2: See, let's listen to that one more time.

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Speaker 8: Never once in any way, shape or form, not in

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Speaker 5: Marmoston County, Now one one, what's the address of your emergency?

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Speaker 4: Hi?

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Speaker 5: Are you able to trace the location on my phone?

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Speaker 4: You don't know where you're at?

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Speaker 3: A national park.

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Speaker 7: I just want my family to know where to find me.

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Speaker 11: While Micah Miller's family and friends hold service beachside for Micah,

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Speaker 11: but it was her sister. How do you raised Micah

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Speaker 1: Okay, well wait wait, he thought he raised Micah from

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Speaker 2: This couple has had listen.

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Speaker 3: After Micah's tires have been slashed and a GPS tracker

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Speaker 3: I try to hurt them back rather than forgive. He

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Speaker 1: Okay, I'm not quite sure why he is attacking her.

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Speaker 2: What has she done to him? Now?

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Speaker 1: There you hear. He apologizes for slashing her tires.

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Speaker 2: He admits he had.

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Speaker 1: A GPS tracker on her car, but just like posting

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Speaker 2: I've never even heard of that before.

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Speaker 1: Nothing was done, and now Micah is dead.

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Speaker 2: But that's not all. Listen to what Micah told police herself.

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Speaker 13: Michaeh Miller calls police February tenth to a Walmart parking

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Speaker 13: She explains to police she has been hospitalized against her will,

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Speaker 13: tell Micah, since they are still married, the car is

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Speaker 1: I don't understand, Lauren Kalin, investigative reporter. You have him

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Speaker 2: What is wrong? Nothing happens, Nancy. It's completely heartbreaking.

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Speaker 9: And as it was just stated, she was hospitalized against

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Speaker 4: Two.

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Speaker 1: Doctor Kendall Crown's joining us a renowned chief medical examiner

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Speaker 1: in Terrant County. That's fort Worth, never a lack of

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Speaker 1: business at the Morgue there lecturer at the esteemed Brunette

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Speaker 1: School of Medicine TCU.

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Speaker 2: Doctor Kendall Crowns, thank you for being with us.

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Speaker 1: I just want to make sure many people do not

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Speaker 1: believe that Micha Miller committed suicide. I know she bought

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Speaker 1: I know what she said to the nine on one dispatch.

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Speaker 1: But yet I still want definitive proof. Okay, call me

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Speaker 1: a doubter, but I just want to know. Now, how

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Speaker 1: can we prove that her gunshot wound was absolutely self inflicted?

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Speaker 4: Help me?

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Speaker 2: Doctor Crown's certainly so.

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Speaker 7: Based on the autopsy report. She has a gunshot wound

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Speaker 1: Crowns if someone held a gun to your head and

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Speaker 2: That doesn't tell me a suicide.

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Speaker 1: That tells me she died of a contact gunshot wound.

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Speaker 7: That's correct. Contact gunshot wound will cause all that. If

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Speaker 7: But you have the context of she makes the nine

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Speaker 1: Them, convinced to them it was the right thing to do.

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Speaker 1: Doctor Kendall Crowns, I know you spend most of your

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Speaker 1: commit suicide to go to the hereafter. And then, of

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Speaker 1: course there was the pastor Jim Johnson that convinced people

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Speaker 1: to drink poisonous kool aid. Off the top of my head,

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Speaker 1: I can think of Michelle Carter who convinced her very

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Speaker 1: very tender, young innocent boyfriend to a hell carbon monoxide

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Speaker 1: till he dies. Yes, people have been convinced to commit suicide.

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Speaker 2: It has happened.

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Speaker 7: I agree with you. Individuals have been convinced to commit

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Speaker 7: suicide by other individuals. But what you were referring to

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Speaker 7: earlier was someone shooting her in the head of contact range.

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Speaker 7: Was she convinced by someone to kill herself a possibility?

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Speaker 7: Do I think someone was standing there and pulled the trigger.

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Speaker 7: It's questionable.

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Speaker 2: So right there, right there. You know how I like

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Speaker 2: hard evidence.

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Speaker 1: I don't want to talk about how she may be

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Speaker 1: convinced to commit suicide. I want to talk about the

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Speaker 1: possibility that she was shot by someone else. Okay, that

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Speaker 1: she was convinced to purchase the gun, convinced to call

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Speaker 1: a nine one one, and then someone else pull the trigger.

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Speaker 2: Is it far fetched? I don't know.

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Speaker 1: Is it because many, many people, right or wrong, believe

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Speaker 1: she didn't pull the trigger. So is there any hard evidence?

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Speaker 1: I know her body was in water, submerged in water,

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Speaker 1: doctor Kimmel Crown's. So if there had been gunshot residue

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Speaker 1: on her hand. We know that when you pull a trigger,

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Speaker 1: a nearly invisible particulate emits from the gun as fine

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Speaker 1: as baby powder and gets on your hand, and it

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Speaker 1: can go as far as three feet, well proven to

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Speaker 1: go as far as three feet.

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Speaker 2: All of that would have been destroyed in the water,

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Speaker 2: or would it.

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Speaker 7: I believe the gunshow resident would have been destroyed in

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Speaker 7: the water itself. Yes, So by placing earned water you

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Speaker 7: could potentially cover up some of the evidence.

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Speaker 1: Doctor Kendall Crowns. I know you are the medical examiner,

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Speaker 1: you are the esteemed lecturer.

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Speaker 2: I know that, But.

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Speaker 1: Isn't it true when medical examiners are trying to determine

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Speaker 1: manner of death? We know she died of gunshot wound.

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Speaker 1: Manner of death? Was it an accident? Was it homicide?

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Speaker 1: Was it suicide? You look at extrinsic evidence, evidence that

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Speaker 1: is not related to the body itself, such as the

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Speaker 1: nil one call, such as the video of her purchasing

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Speaker 1: the gun.

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Speaker 2: Isn't that true? That's correct.

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Speaker 7: You use all that information to help you determine the

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Speaker 7: manner of death.

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Speaker 1: So in this case, are you relying on extrinsic evidence

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Speaker 1: or evidence obtained from her body when you say you

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Speaker 1: believe it was a suicide.

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Speaker 7: So you would use both. You would use the evidence

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Speaker 7: obtained from the extrinsic evidence that she purchased the gun,

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Speaker 7: she made the nine to one one phone call. Then

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Speaker 7: you would look at the evidence on the body, the

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Speaker 7: contact range, gunshot wound, the fact that there's no evidence

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Speaker 7: of restraint and no evidence that she was drugged or

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Speaker 7: anything of that nature. So you would use all those

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Speaker 7: findings to make the determination of suicide.

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Speaker 1: In addition, to doctor Kendall Crown's renow medical examiner. As

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Speaker 1: you know, Anna Francis is joining us along with her lawyer,

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Speaker 1: Regina ward Hon, the sister of Mica Miller.

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Speaker 2: Was a full autopsy done on your sister?

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Speaker 5: And if not, why it turns out there was not

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Speaker 5: a full autopsy done?

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Speaker 1: Regina war Did I hear that correctly? There was not

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Speaker 1: a full autopsy?

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Speaker 12: That's correct, But je to remember legally who had the

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Speaker 12: authority to ask for one of those, and that would

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Speaker 12: have been her husband, Mister Miller.

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Speaker 13: John Paul Miller's ex wife, Alison Miller, filed for divorce

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Speaker 13: from John Paul Miller after finding out he was having

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Speaker 13: an affair with their babysitter and his best friend's wife, Micah.

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Speaker 13: Micah Miller was married to John Paul Miller's best friend,

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Speaker 13: Jeremy Deese, who Micah married when she was just eighteen.

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Speaker 1: What does John Paul Miller say? How can we analyze

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Speaker 1: his behavior? Take a listen to him? This is from

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Speaker 1: Celebration of Life.

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Speaker 8: I want to read one of the more recent boems

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Speaker 8: she wrote.

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Speaker 2: And that's an nothing.

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Speaker 8: She was so creative, she it was just always just

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Speaker 8: coming out of her imagine being married to that.

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Speaker 2: It was like, is he actually crying or was he laughing?

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Speaker 2: That clip was from.

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Speaker 1: The official Solid Rock Ministries Facebook page.

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Speaker 2: I would take that down immediately, but.

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Speaker 1: That said, Anna Francis is with me Micah's sister. That

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Speaker 1: has just got to make your skin crawl whenever you

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Speaker 1: watch that.

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Speaker 5: Absolutely, and he was laughing, by the way, that was

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Speaker 5: not a cry, that was a laugh. You were correct.

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Speaker 2: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, you know Karen.

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Speaker 1: Start and joining me, a renowned psychologists, TV radio trauma expert. Karen,

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Speaker 1: how many times have you seen people try to cry

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Speaker 1: and there.

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Speaker 2: But nothing tears, There's not any even snot nothing.

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Speaker 14: Nancy, look at everything that he's saying. I have to

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Speaker 14: agree with you. I mean, this is not crying. We

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Speaker 14: all know that there's no tears coming out. And he's

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Speaker 14: doing so much self comforting, touching his face, touching his eyes.

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Speaker 14: He can't stop touching himself because he's so anxious. There

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Speaker 14: is nothing about this person that's grieving over the loss

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Speaker 14: of his wife. And when we know the backstory, and

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Speaker 14: it's a horrific backstory, how could he be talking about

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Speaker 14: his loss her creativity, all the wonderful things she did,

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Speaker 14: and how he is the only one, how narcissistic, is

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Speaker 14: that he is the only one that really cared about her.

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Speaker 1: I want to go back to Regina Ward, Micah's sisters lawyer.

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Speaker 1: She's at attorney Regina war dot com. You were there,

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Speaker 1: you observe some.

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Speaker 2: Of the federal ray.

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Speaker 1: The FBI is forming your house, and I got to

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Speaker 1: tell you something. That's one thing I do not want

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Speaker 1: to see the FBI pickante my trash in the backyard. No,

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Speaker 1: that does not bode well. Now we know because Eric

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Speaker 1: Davis reminded us. Eric Davis joining us PI and jump

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Speaker 1: in Eric, if you have a thought on this, and

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Speaker 1: I'm sure you do. We know that typically when a

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Speaker 1: search occurs that the affidavit of PC probable cause is attached.

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Speaker 1: What makes them want to enter the premises? What are

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Speaker 1: they looking for? That's what's on the PC affidavit. It

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Speaker 1: was in this case not attached. So what do you observe,

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Speaker 1: Regina during the raid?

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Speaker 7: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Thank you, Nancy. I was there.

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Speaker 12: Once I learned that the FBI had arrived on the

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Speaker 12: scene to execute that search warrant, I wanted to go,

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Speaker 12: obviously myself there because I have an interest to obviously

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Speaker 12: in this case all the way to the end, getting

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Speaker 12: the law chained so that we can take you get

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Speaker 12: people like mister Miller and handcuffs for the things that

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Speaker 12: he's done. As far as the FBI conducting their their search,

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Speaker 12: obviously they're bagging things, putting them in paper bags, they

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Speaker 12: put them in boxes.

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Speaker 7: Uh.

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Speaker 12: They've covered most of the things that they brought out

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Speaker 12: of the house obviously for various reasons. You know, we

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Speaker 12: do have this thing called the chain of custody with

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Speaker 12: regard to evidence, and obviously anything that they removed from there,

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Speaker 12: they're going to want to make sure that it was bagged,

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Speaker 12: as they say, tagged appropriately, labeled appropriately because you know,

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Speaker 12: del defense attorneys can can challenge these things. Obviously, we

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Speaker 12: want if and when the indictment does come to arrest

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Speaker 12: John Paul Miller, we want.

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Speaker 2: That that uh to stick. We want we want home

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Speaker 2: to be convicted.

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Speaker 12: And so it's very important that all the evidence be

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Speaker 12: carefully handled.

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Speaker 2: Well what did you observe? What did you observe? That's

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Speaker 2: on the FBI. They're going to handle the evidence.

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Speaker 1: And I guarantee you if they're coming out with those

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Speaker 1: brown paper bags, they've got everyone sealed to Yeah, secure

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Speaker 1: the chain of custody.

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Speaker 2: But what did you see?

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Speaker 1: I know he was out of town when it went down.

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Speaker 1: I'm sure they knew that before they went in. But

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Speaker 1: how big were the bags? How many bags?

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Speaker 2: What did you hear? What did you observe?

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Speaker 12: Yes, during the time I was there, there were multiple

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Speaker 12: sized bags and boxes what I would refer to as

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Speaker 12: grocery bag, brown paper, grocery bag type things that came out.

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Speaker 12: The one thing that I was excited to see that

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Speaker 12: was not backed or covered was an all in one CPU,

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Speaker 12: And so immediately my mind went to, yes, there's going

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Speaker 12: to be some digital evidence there. We would hope anyway

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Speaker 12: that could lead to the next step. And the most

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Speaker 12: important next step here, of course, is getting that indictment.

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Speaker 12: The search for in itself whenever they execute that, they're

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Speaker 12: looking for additional.

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Speaker 2: Effort and indictment for what.

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Speaker 1: You can't indict someone for cheating on their wife. Why

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Speaker 1: are they searching his home? Doesn't have anything to do

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Speaker 1: with this Listen.

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Speaker 11: Days before his home is rated by FBI agents, Pastor

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Speaker 11: John Paul Miller files core document. It's with the South

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Speaker 11: Carolina Secretary of State for a new religious incorporation that

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Speaker 11: he's calling Living Water Church at Market Common. The filing

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Speaker 11: states the nonprofit corporation is for religious, educational, charitable, and

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Speaker 11: literary purposes. The business address is listed as JP Miller's

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Speaker 11: personal residence in Myrtle Beach, South Carolina. Miller also formally

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Speaker 11: changed the address of his church, Solid Rock Ministries to

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Speaker 11: its current location. The business address for the church since

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Speaker 11: two thousand and six has been the same address for

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Speaker 11: the home he shared with his first wife, Allison.

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Speaker 1: The FBI raids the home of pastor John Paul Miller

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Speaker 1: months after his wife, Micah's death was ruled a suicide.

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Speaker 2: Why why now? What are they seeking to prove?

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Speaker 1: Joining me an all star panel to Eric Davis, private investigator,

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Speaker 1: what based on what we know is the purpose of

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Speaker 1: this raid?

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Speaker 2: What are they looking for? Eric?

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Speaker 6: Well, as you know, the sometimes defense come out in

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Speaker 6: when local law enforcement fails to take action or is

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Speaker 6: unable to take action. So what if I'm the case agent,

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Speaker 6: given this history of John Paul, I'm looking for fingerprints

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Speaker 6: being taken. They're not taking fingerprints to find Mike's fingerprints.

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Speaker 6: They know she lived there. They're looking for fingerprints as

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Speaker 6: someone else. There's a myriad of reasons they could be looking.

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Speaker 6: But it could be white collar stuff, which would the

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Speaker 6: computers would have a lot of evidence of its financial transactions,

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Speaker 6: So it could be a number of things based on

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Speaker 6: his history.

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Speaker 2: You now what, Eric Davis, You're so right.

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Speaker 1: The fact that you and Regina, Regina observed it and

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Speaker 1: you're analyzing it, that digital evidence is clearly something they're

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Speaker 1: looking at, seizing devices such as computers, laptops and so forth.

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Speaker 1: Could it have anything to do with John Paul Miller

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Speaker 1: filing with the Secretary of State for a new religious

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Speaker 1: incorporation he is calling Living Water Church at Market Common.

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Speaker 2: Is it about that?

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Speaker 1: Is it about, as you said, allegations of underage sex?

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Speaker 1: Why would the FBI be doing that? Well, think, think, think, think,

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Speaker 1: use that noodle. Remember Jared Fogel, the subway pitch man.

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Speaker 1: He was taking miners across state lines. Enter the FEDS

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Speaker 1: for sex with miners translation statutory rape. So if the

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Speaker 1: Feds want in, they will find a way in. And

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Speaker 1: I've just got to ask you. Anna Francis is with me,

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Speaker 1: Micah's sister. Everyone is talking about his affairs, his sex

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Speaker 1: misconduct dating back for early decades allegedly, but that is

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Speaker 1: not the grounds cannot be the grounds for a criminal proceeding.

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Speaker 1: What does feel like to have your sister gone and

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Speaker 1: to feel he is somehow responsible even though legally he.

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Speaker 2: May not be, and nobody does anything.

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Speaker 1: No one ever followed up with him slashing her tires

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Speaker 1: and apologizing, posting her half nude without her knowledge on

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Speaker 1: some freaky website, putting a GPS monitor on her phone.

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Speaker 1: All of those are actual crimes and nothing was ever done.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, that's a very heavy and loaded question for sure.

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Speaker 5: Our family just stays hopeful through this process that justice

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Speaker 5: will come for her. Nothing can ever be enough for

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Speaker 5: what she actually endured, but we hope that accountability will happen.

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Speaker 5: It's definitely necessary for her for many other people that

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Speaker 5: endured what he had put them through. We're really trying

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Speaker 5: to focus on who Micah was as a person to

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Speaker 5: get through this. As a family, We're focusing on what

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Speaker 5: she was going to do with her life. The last

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Speaker 5: few months that she was still with us, she was

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Speaker 5: organizing her new charity, Waymakers. She called it Waymakers because

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Speaker 5: God always makes a way, you know, through her trials

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Speaker 5: and through everything that terrible that was happening to her,

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Speaker 5: She always said God will make away, and we are

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Speaker 5: trying to be her hands in her feet by carrying

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Speaker 5: through her charity doing events. We actually have one coming

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Speaker 5: up November sixteenth and Market Commons. We're going to have

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Speaker 5: Micu's first Mike's charity event. We're calling it Mike's Benefit

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Speaker 5: Concert actually because she was a singer and this is

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Speaker 5: something that she was going to do, and we're going

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Speaker 5: to carry out everything that she was planning on doing,

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Speaker 5: and this is how we can have justice for Micah

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Speaker 5: is still be her voice in her hands on her feet.

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Speaker 1: Remember, John Paul Miller is innocent in the eyes of

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Speaker 1: Lady Justice until he is proven beyond a reasonable doubt

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Speaker 1: of criminal wrongdoing. Right now, he stands just as innocent.

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Speaker 2: As me or you. If you know or.

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Speaker 1: Think you know anything about alleged misdoing, please contact Justice

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Speaker 1: for Micah Tips Micah m I c A Justice for

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Speaker 1: Micah Tips at gmail dot com. Justice for Micah Tips

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Speaker 1: at gmail dot com. Justice for Micah Tips at gmail

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Speaker 1: dot com. I guarantee you Attorney Regena Ward will get

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Speaker 1: any permanent information to the FBI. Thank you to our guests,

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Speaker 1: especially Anna Francis, Micah's sister, Nancy Grace signing off goodbye friend,