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Speaker 1: Girls podcast, a weekly conversation about mental health, personal development,

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Speaker 1: the best possible versions of ourselves. I'm your host, Dr

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Speaker 1: Joy hard and Bradford, a licensed psychologist in Atlanta, Georgia.

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Speaker 1: For more information or to find a therapist in your area,

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Speaker 1: While I hope you love listening to and learning from

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Speaker 1: for relationship with a licensed mental health professional. Hey, y'all,

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Speaker 1: And I was like, okay, well let's unpack that a bit.

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Speaker 1: Who is the way what is this cone be? But yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: so you know you mentioned kamala Um, you know, in

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Speaker 1: that that is another stressor that lots of people are

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Speaker 1: experiencing right now, is just the whole election right and

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Speaker 1: feeling like so much is weighing on this. But I

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Speaker 1: feel like this is another place where people feel a

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Speaker 1: little disconnected because it feels like, yes, I understand, you

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Speaker 1: know that there's a lot writing on this, but also historically,

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Speaker 1: like the does the presidency really change anything? And you know,

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Speaker 1: do I really see myself and my values and the

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Speaker 1: things I want for my community embraced on any of

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Speaker 1: the tickets? Yeah? So here's the thing, you know, I'm

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Speaker 1: typically very I think even killed and will allow a

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Speaker 1: lot of exploration and thought to go into things that

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Speaker 1: I say. I want to be super clear on this one,

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Speaker 1: like you just asked, is really great hypothetical like does

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Speaker 1: who I vote for even matter? I think that we

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Speaker 1: can say without a shadow of a doubt that the

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Speaker 1: past four years have indicated that it does indeed matter

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Speaker 1: who you elect. It absolutely, without a shadow of a doubt.

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Speaker 1: Does there was a story released this weekend in The

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Speaker 1: Washington Post where a columnist had been documenting some of

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Speaker 1: the small changes that have been happening in the democracy

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Speaker 1: of the United States over the past four years, and

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Speaker 1: has collected over thirty thousands such of these, but only

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Speaker 1: put like one percent, so like three hundred or so

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Speaker 1: on this list. But as you're reading the dr joy

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Speaker 1: your mouth or my mouth dropped. It absolutely drops to

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Speaker 1: know that within the past four years, if you weren't

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Speaker 1: paying attention this shifting of the democracy over things like

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Speaker 1: allowing the press into the room, having daily press briefings

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Speaker 1: on what's going on in the White House, having the

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Speaker 1: sitting president not attend intelligence meetings. Those types of things

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Speaker 1: that four years ago with other presidents would have been

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Speaker 1: unheard of, have happened within the past four years. So

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Speaker 1: I'm saying that because even if you look at just

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Speaker 1: the past month, there would be enough things for you

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Speaker 1: to say like, Wow, a lot has happened in this presidency.

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Speaker 1: But when you actually sit down and look at what's

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Speaker 1: been shifting and what's been happening over the past four years,

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Speaker 1: you're recognizing that even if we get the sitting president

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Speaker 1: out of off is right now, we've shifted democracy so

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Speaker 1: much that we have to really think about how do

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Speaker 1: we go back to a place where like these things

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Speaker 1: are normal, to invite the press and the American people

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Speaker 1: back into the decisions that are happening in the White House,

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Speaker 1: to make things classified, to divide conflicts of interest like

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Speaker 1: I could go on and on, but the point is

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Speaker 1: to say, the election of the past four years, in

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Speaker 1: my opinion as someone who studied political science as an

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Speaker 1: undergrad as well, has shifted us so far that that

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Speaker 1: I don't think we can afford to say it doesn't

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Speaker 1: matter who we vote for. And I'm praying that people

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Speaker 1: can see just how clear of a shift of a

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Speaker 1: difference our community are are country is in today than

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Speaker 1: it was four years ago. So it matters. Dr Joy.

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Speaker 1: I want people to understand how important it is. We

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Speaker 1: have lost two hundred and fifteen thousand people who may

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Speaker 1: otherwise be here. Many of them have been our brothers

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Speaker 1: and sisters. We have changed our ability to have racism

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Speaker 1: in grants and in practice from federal governments. We have

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Speaker 1: called Christopher Columbus a hero. Like these are the things

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Speaker 1: that we are saying with our current administration. I just

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Speaker 1: want us to be very clear that our votes will

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Speaker 1: impact our livelihood and the livelihood of those around us.

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Speaker 1: For the next four years. Yeah, and we know we've

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Speaker 1: already talked about like the importance of the collective care, right,

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Speaker 1: you know that a lot doesn't happen, and that it

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Speaker 1: feels like in order for anything to really happen in

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Speaker 1: our communities, it has to be driven by us. Are

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Speaker 1: there ideas that you have about how we can move

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Speaker 1: more into that even during the election season and afterwards.

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Speaker 1: So I certainly think that ensuring our participation at various

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Speaker 1: levels is incredibly important. So I think at this point

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Speaker 1: understanding that this is a national election, so that's quite important.

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Speaker 1: Also understanding midterm elections, which are important things as well

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Speaker 1: that may not have as much fanfare but that often

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Speaker 1: have really crucial proposals and initiatives are things that we

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Speaker 1: need to be mindful of. And at the more granular level,

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Speaker 1: So how do we build up from this neighborhood watch

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Speaker 1: or this community group, this board goes to the city council,

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Speaker 1: who makes a proposal there, Perhaps we go to the

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Speaker 1: states in it, perhaps it goes to larger legislation in

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Speaker 1: that way, But all of these decisions are made at

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Speaker 1: such a granular level before they go all the way

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Speaker 1: up to the top courts, or the top legislation, So

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Speaker 1: understanding how to get involved in a more granular or

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Speaker 1: local level. I think it is incredibly important and to

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Speaker 1: not grow weary, which I think is something that, as

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Speaker 1: we've been saying over time, it's hard not to do.

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Speaker 1: But if you have a press who said I'm going

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Speaker 1: to do X, Y and Z, we can get the

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Speaker 1: same group that the same neighborhood watched, that same city

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Speaker 1: council sector. We can create this you know campaign of

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Speaker 1: you said you were going to do this. Where is

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Speaker 1: the promise on this? Like, have you upheld your end

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Speaker 1: of it? I think that those collective efforts to work

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Speaker 1: towards accountability are incredibly important as well. But I do

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Speaker 1: think by and large, just recognizing that within the black

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Speaker 1: community we do have one of the strongest and most

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Speaker 1: united blocks of groups and really being thankful for that

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Speaker 1: and fighting for the justice that we as a people need.

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Speaker 1: Mm hmmm. So this may not be something that we

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Speaker 1: want to kind of consider, but I think it is

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Speaker 1: important to think about how to take care of ourselves

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Speaker 1: post election, particularly if it does not go the way

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Speaker 1: that we will many of us hope that it would go.

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Speaker 1: Are you sure? We have to look out to do

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Speaker 1: this exercise. Have you saying I'm worried about it and

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Speaker 1: where the community's mental healthy? So I just would love

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Speaker 1: to hear, and not that I have an answer, right

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Speaker 1: because I don't even know what I'm gonna do, But

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Speaker 1: I do feel like it is important to start thinking about,

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Speaker 1: like how to take care of ourselves because we know,

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Speaker 1: you know, there'll be stories and you know, so do

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Speaker 1: you have any ideas or is that something you've given

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Speaker 1: any thought? Oh? I have really tried to run very

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Speaker 1: far in the other direction of excitement and opportunity, I hope,

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Speaker 1: But if you want to drag me into the bowels

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Speaker 1: of the fair, I think one thing that was really

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Speaker 1: clear from the last election was that the expectation, anticipation,

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Speaker 1: the belief that the sitting president would be elected was

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Speaker 1: not within anyone's capacity of imagination or thought, and that

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Speaker 1: that's probably why some people chose not to vote. And

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Speaker 1: I don't even want to put it within our community.

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Speaker 1: I really really hate when people keep, you know, the

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Speaker 1: finger points at our community, like if y'all I voted

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Speaker 1: for them, like Hilary, like you did Obama. It's like

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Speaker 1: no black people by large showed up and showed out

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Speaker 1: with respective voting, so I don't want that to be

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Speaker 1: the narrative at all. But there was a collective reduction

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Speaker 1: in voting relatives to the Obama era election, so it

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Speaker 1: is important just the name that we did see a reduction.

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Speaker 1: So my absolute hope before we get into despair is

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Speaker 1: that we've got weeks and we and we We've already

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Speaker 1: have I think something like twenty seven million early voters

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Speaker 1: what we saw in the last election. So we're already

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Speaker 1: at record shattering numbers given the myriad ways that people

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Speaker 1: can vote this year. So I just want to start

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Speaker 1: there that we're already doing really great. I think what

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Speaker 1: I'm tying into, though, is the same sense that, oh,

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Speaker 1: we got it, so I don't have to vote. That

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Speaker 1: kind of went into the last election with Democrats written large,

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Speaker 1: and so some of us that out and some of

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Speaker 1: us didn't participate. So the first thing that I would

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Speaker 1: say is that we have to come, reign from shine,

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Speaker 1: come like whatever is going on, we have to vote.

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Speaker 1: So that's step one. If it is though, that the

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Speaker 1: unimaginable happens and that we have someone who is elected

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Speaker 1: in office in this way, I think it's incredibly important

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Speaker 1: more granular levels can impact what it is that we've seen.

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Speaker 1: So I think the resistance, like watching people collectively agitate

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Speaker 1: and protests and get out, has been one of the

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Speaker 1: most amazing elements of the last four years. Just continual

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Speaker 1: pushing back, making sure that the narrative is written correctly.

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Speaker 1: This is not the largest turnout for inauguration. This is

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Speaker 1: not people supporting you at your rallies. This is a

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Speaker 1: you know, a counter protest, right Like those types of

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Speaker 1: documentation elements are are really important while our democracy is

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Speaker 1: being challenged. So still, you know, engaging in activism, advocacy,

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Speaker 1: those are important things and to you know, to acknowledge

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Speaker 1: even though these are trying times, there are ebbs and

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Speaker 1: flows in the world, and so this is a very

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Speaker 1: challenging ebb and I certainly don't want to live through

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Speaker 1: it again, but if we do, it is a portion

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Speaker 1: of our life. It is not the full story. And

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Speaker 1: so we can advocate and resist and and push back

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Speaker 1: for those next four years until we get back to

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Speaker 1: some sense of normalcy after that. But this is all

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Speaker 1: a dream and it's all a lie. It's not gonna happen.

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Speaker 1: Dr Joyce. So that's all right, right, We just wanna,

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Speaker 1: you know, have it there just in case. But I

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Speaker 1: do need the EBB and flow of it, right because

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Speaker 1: I think it feels really hard when you're in the

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Speaker 1: EBB to try to think about the flow, but it

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Speaker 1: is important to know that that is the cycle. Yeah. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: So tell us where we can find you, Dr Anderson.

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Speaker 1: What's your website as well as any social media handles

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Speaker 1: you'd like to share. Well, the first thing that you

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Speaker 1: that INDUS show notes. Thank you so much for all

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Speaker 1: of your information today, Dr Anderson, I really appreciate it.

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Speaker 1: you don't have to deal with any drama that might

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Speaker 1: be afoot on election day. Two consider checking out of

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Speaker 1: election day coverage altogether. Many are reporting that is likely

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Speaker 1: we won't have a final count on election night anyway,

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Speaker 1: so by checking out, you likely won't have missed anything.

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Speaker 1: Three Plan some activities in advance of how you're going

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Speaker 1: to spend Election Day. We'll be having an all days

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Speaker 1: self care room over in the Yellow Couch Collective, so

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Speaker 1: you're welcome to join us for that. But you can

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Speaker 1: also grab a new book to read, a favorite bath bomb,

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Speaker 1: or map out a playlist of some shows you'd like

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Speaker 1: to watch. Four, If you can, I'd suggest taking both

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Speaker 1: election day and the day after all from work, just

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Speaker 1: so that you don't have to entertain any casual conversations

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Speaker 1: about the election. And five think about what boundaries you'd

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Speaker 1: like to set with family, friends, and co workers regarding

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Speaker 1: election discussions. It's totally fine for you to say that

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Speaker 1: you just don't have the bandwidth to engage. Have you

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Speaker 1: already started making plans for how you're going to take

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Speaker 1: care of yourself during that time? Be sure to share

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Speaker 1: in session and don't forget to text two friends right

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Speaker 1: now to share this episode with them so that they

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Speaker 1: can start making their plans as well. And remember to

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Speaker 1: visit the show notes at their Every for Black Girls

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Speaker 1: Anderson and her work. If there's a topic you'd like

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Speaker 1: to have covered on the podcast, please admit it to

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Speaker 1: us at Therapy for Black Girls dot com slash mailbox.

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Speaker 1: And if you're looking for a therapist in your area,

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Speaker 1: for Black Girls dot com slash directory. If you want

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Speaker 1: to continue digging into this topic and connect with some

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Speaker 1: other sisters in your area, come on over and join

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Speaker 1: us in the Yellow Couch Collective, where we take a

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Speaker 1: deeper dive into the topics from the podcast and just

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Speaker 1: about everything else. You can join us at Therapy for

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Speaker 1: Black Girls dot com slash y c C. Thank y'all

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Speaker 1: so much for joining me again this week. I look

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Speaker 1: forward to continuing this conversation with you all real soon.

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