1 00:00:10,039 --> 00:00:13,400 Speaker 1: Hi guys, and welcome back to another new episode of 2 00:00:13,520 --> 00:00:17,599 Speaker 1: Union Therapy podcast. My name is Kat, Always happy you're here, 3 00:00:17,760 --> 00:00:20,639 Speaker 1: Always starting the podcast reminding you, guys that this is 4 00:00:20,680 --> 00:00:24,200 Speaker 1: not therapy, but I am a therapist today. I'm pretty 5 00:00:24,200 --> 00:00:27,159 Speaker 1: pumped about the episode today, About the guests that I 6 00:00:27,200 --> 00:00:30,360 Speaker 1: have today. It's somebody who I originally asked to come 7 00:00:30,400 --> 00:00:33,400 Speaker 1: on the podcast and she said no, but she since 8 00:00:33,440 --> 00:00:36,800 Speaker 1: has come around, and her name is Megan repass. She 9 00:00:36,840 --> 00:00:40,640 Speaker 1: has somebody I met years ago working at a treatment 10 00:00:40,640 --> 00:00:43,520 Speaker 1: center and she was a part of the adventure team 11 00:00:43,560 --> 00:00:45,800 Speaker 1: there and you'll learn all about that. I won't spoil 12 00:00:45,840 --> 00:00:50,800 Speaker 1: it now, but she is incredible, incredible. Talk about somebody 13 00:00:50,840 --> 00:00:53,560 Speaker 1: who is good at what they do, and talk about 14 00:00:53,560 --> 00:00:56,480 Speaker 1: somebody who honestly we go back to the episode I 15 00:00:56,480 --> 00:00:59,600 Speaker 1: did about passion and purpose. She is a jackhammer type 16 00:00:59,600 --> 00:01:03,560 Speaker 1: person with some hummingbird tendencies, but she was created to 17 00:01:03,600 --> 00:01:05,480 Speaker 1: do the work that she is doing right now, and 18 00:01:05,520 --> 00:01:07,720 Speaker 1: she does it so well. I have always looked up 19 00:01:07,720 --> 00:01:10,920 Speaker 1: to her in regards to just her as being a 20 00:01:10,959 --> 00:01:13,600 Speaker 1: good human, but also what she does and how she 21 00:01:13,680 --> 00:01:16,600 Speaker 1: does it and the joy you you're gonna be able 22 00:01:16,600 --> 00:01:19,400 Speaker 1: to like, even like feel the joy in the like 23 00:01:19,640 --> 00:01:22,600 Speaker 1: love of life through your Wherever you're listening to this, 24 00:01:22,640 --> 00:01:24,720 Speaker 1: you'll be able to feel it. I promise she's awesome. 25 00:01:24,800 --> 00:01:28,640 Speaker 1: She now works at on site and she also does 26 00:01:28,720 --> 00:01:32,520 Speaker 1: some private practice stuff with adventure therapy, equine therapy and 27 00:01:32,560 --> 00:01:34,679 Speaker 1: all of that. So I'm gonna put her info in 28 00:01:34,720 --> 00:01:36,280 Speaker 1: the notes. If you want to get in touch with her, 29 00:01:36,440 --> 00:01:39,959 Speaker 1: please do that. I am just sitting here as I 30 00:01:39,959 --> 00:01:41,440 Speaker 1: didn't plan what I was going to say. What I'm 31 00:01:41,480 --> 00:01:44,680 Speaker 1: sitting here thinking about, like, I feel so lucky that 32 00:01:44,920 --> 00:01:49,400 Speaker 1: the universe and God especially has put her in my life, 33 00:01:49,960 --> 00:01:52,640 Speaker 1: because you will hear I was not supposed to be 34 00:01:52,680 --> 00:01:55,720 Speaker 1: an adventure therapist, and for some reason I was, and 35 00:01:55,720 --> 00:01:58,360 Speaker 1: for some reason we were connected, and I'm very glad 36 00:01:58,400 --> 00:02:00,560 Speaker 1: about that. So I'm not to sit here and like 37 00:02:00,600 --> 00:02:03,440 Speaker 1: gush about my friendship with me. I'm gonna let you 38 00:02:03,520 --> 00:02:06,760 Speaker 1: listen to our conversation and hopefully you, guys learn a 39 00:02:06,800 --> 00:02:10,640 Speaker 1: little bit about the power of adventure therapy, the power 40 00:02:10,639 --> 00:02:13,679 Speaker 1: of the earth, the power of metaphor and all that. 41 00:02:13,919 --> 00:02:17,400 Speaker 1: I love you, guys. I will talk to you in 42 00:02:17,480 --> 00:02:21,480 Speaker 1: one second when the conversation comes in. So how about 43 00:02:21,480 --> 00:02:23,240 Speaker 1: we get to it here is my conversation with my 44 00:02:23,280 --> 00:02:28,079 Speaker 1: friend Megan. All right, guys, I'm here. This has been 45 00:02:28,120 --> 00:02:32,800 Speaker 1: long awaited by me my friend Megan. Say, hi, hi friends. 46 00:02:33,240 --> 00:02:37,320 Speaker 1: So I had asked Megan to be on the podcast 47 00:02:37,760 --> 00:02:43,360 Speaker 1: many months ago, long time. She said no, just said 48 00:02:43,440 --> 00:02:47,080 Speaker 1: no and no and noh. Yeah, she just said no. 49 00:02:47,560 --> 00:02:50,560 Speaker 1: And then eventually she came back around. So was it 50 00:02:50,600 --> 00:02:53,600 Speaker 1: after your friend texted you about it? Yes? Actually that's 51 00:02:53,600 --> 00:02:58,320 Speaker 1: exactly when, when when I was my trusted friend spoke 52 00:02:58,360 --> 00:03:00,399 Speaker 1: some wisdom and to me and she was like podcasts 53 00:03:00,480 --> 00:03:03,240 Speaker 1: are important and they're good, and I like this girl, 54 00:03:03,280 --> 00:03:05,320 Speaker 1: and I'm like, shut up, I know this girl. This 55 00:03:05,480 --> 00:03:08,560 Speaker 1: is my good friend from fat And that's how it happened. Yes, 56 00:03:08,560 --> 00:03:10,760 Speaker 1: And then you're like, I guess I'll do it. So 57 00:03:10,800 --> 00:03:14,320 Speaker 1: she's here by the grace of God, and we'll talk 58 00:03:14,360 --> 00:03:17,320 Speaker 1: about how we met. But what we're gonna do today 59 00:03:17,440 --> 00:03:21,600 Speaker 1: is talk about adventure therapy, equin therapy, wilderness therapy, all 60 00:03:21,639 --> 00:03:23,680 Speaker 1: those things. We've never talked about any of that, and 61 00:03:23,720 --> 00:03:25,840 Speaker 1: it's really cool and it's really interesting, and it is 62 00:03:25,880 --> 00:03:27,520 Speaker 1: something that I think a lot of people don't even 63 00:03:27,560 --> 00:03:30,400 Speaker 1: know exists. We're going to chat about that, but before 64 00:03:30,800 --> 00:03:32,720 Speaker 1: we're going to do a little story time where we 65 00:03:32,800 --> 00:03:36,200 Speaker 1: talk about how Cat and Megan met and how they 66 00:03:36,280 --> 00:03:40,480 Speaker 1: became friends and how Cavy the adventure therapists, please tell 67 00:03:40,480 --> 00:03:42,840 Speaker 1: the story well also, you have to tell it part 68 00:03:42,880 --> 00:03:46,200 Speaker 1: of the story. So we both worked at a treatment center. 69 00:03:46,560 --> 00:03:48,800 Speaker 1: Most of you guys know that about me. Worked at 70 00:03:48,840 --> 00:03:51,200 Speaker 1: a treatment center for a couple of years, and I 71 00:03:51,240 --> 00:03:53,240 Speaker 1: started as an intern. Worked my way, I got a 72 00:03:53,320 --> 00:03:56,560 Speaker 1: job blah blah my dream drop at the time. I 73 00:03:57,200 --> 00:04:01,160 Speaker 1: went to grad school thinking that I wanted to be 74 00:04:01,480 --> 00:04:05,280 Speaker 1: an eating disorder therapist at this place that I was working, 75 00:04:05,600 --> 00:04:08,840 Speaker 1: and I got that job. Well, they created a position. 76 00:04:09,320 --> 00:04:12,560 Speaker 1: From from what I understood, they created a position for 77 00:04:12,960 --> 00:04:16,880 Speaker 1: me and another previous intern that was this contracted position 78 00:04:17,440 --> 00:04:19,640 Speaker 1: that would keep us there as therapist, so then when 79 00:04:19,680 --> 00:04:23,680 Speaker 1: a spot opened up for a permanent position, we could 80 00:04:23,680 --> 00:04:25,880 Speaker 1: have that. And they were in the works of opening 81 00:04:25,960 --> 00:04:29,240 Speaker 1: up some more programs that would open up space for 82 00:04:29,279 --> 00:04:33,040 Speaker 1: more therapists. And I was under their impression that they 83 00:04:33,080 --> 00:04:35,839 Speaker 1: wanted to open a men's eating disorder program, which I 84 00:04:35,920 --> 00:04:38,480 Speaker 1: was so excited to do because I had worked with 85 00:04:38,520 --> 00:04:40,920 Speaker 1: men and I also worked with eating disorders. And then 86 00:04:40,960 --> 00:04:43,640 Speaker 1: I had my body image group for men, there was 87 00:04:43,800 --> 00:04:46,320 Speaker 1: I was. I was on track to like really do 88 00:04:46,400 --> 00:04:50,560 Speaker 1: what I wanted to do. So then so then you 89 00:04:50,880 --> 00:04:54,320 Speaker 1: start working. And to be honest, I was internally struggling 90 00:04:54,440 --> 00:04:57,200 Speaker 1: a lot with the job and the pressure and how 91 00:04:57,240 --> 00:05:00,640 Speaker 1: hard it was and work life balance, and I was 92 00:05:01,200 --> 00:05:05,880 Speaker 1: not loving the reality of what my my previous dream was. 93 00:05:06,720 --> 00:05:08,719 Speaker 1: And I remember driving to work one day being like, 94 00:05:08,760 --> 00:05:11,159 Speaker 1: I just wish I was on the adventure team because 95 00:05:11,160 --> 00:05:15,200 Speaker 1: their job just looks so fun. Literally, within that week 96 00:05:15,400 --> 00:05:18,520 Speaker 1: that I'm like thinking that again, an email from the 97 00:05:18,560 --> 00:05:21,640 Speaker 1: director or what was she She wasn't the clinical director. 98 00:05:21,640 --> 00:05:25,600 Speaker 1: She programed director, saying hey, would you be interested? This 99 00:05:25,760 --> 00:05:29,320 Speaker 1: is weird, would you be interested in applying for the 100 00:05:29,440 --> 00:05:33,240 Speaker 1: adventure therapist position? And I said, hey, yeah, I didn't 101 00:05:33,240 --> 00:05:35,960 Speaker 1: even know there was an open position, so we scheduled 102 00:05:36,000 --> 00:05:41,160 Speaker 1: an interview. I'm laughing because I remember the one question 103 00:05:41,160 --> 00:05:43,120 Speaker 1: that I asked in the interview was how do you 104 00:05:43,240 --> 00:05:52,720 Speaker 1: handle inclemental weather? And you said I don't. I said okay, 105 00:05:53,560 --> 00:05:59,200 Speaker 1: and you said, also I don't do bugs, and I'm 106 00:05:59,240 --> 00:06:05,560 Speaker 1: not going ki I can. I'm literally I just want everything. 107 00:06:05,600 --> 00:06:08,799 Speaker 1: Note I am the least qualified at this point, probably 108 00:06:08,839 --> 00:06:11,200 Speaker 1: the least qualified, and I probably make the least sense 109 00:06:11,240 --> 00:06:14,559 Speaker 1: out of probably of the staff at this treatment center 110 00:06:14,800 --> 00:06:17,800 Speaker 1: to do this job. You did. I did not. I 111 00:06:17,880 --> 00:06:20,120 Speaker 1: was a therapist. That was literally it. I don't like 112 00:06:20,320 --> 00:06:23,600 Speaker 1: really being outside. I don't like dirt, like none of that. 113 00:06:24,640 --> 00:06:29,760 Speaker 1: So but I just really wanted to be But I'm thinking, like, 114 00:06:29,800 --> 00:06:32,479 Speaker 1: this is gonna be awesome. I think it's gonna be great. 115 00:06:32,520 --> 00:06:35,600 Speaker 1: And I'm also like so flattered that I was chosen 116 00:06:35,760 --> 00:06:38,279 Speaker 1: out of all not knowing a lot of really what's 117 00:06:38,320 --> 00:06:41,320 Speaker 1: going on. So anyway, I get the but how did 118 00:06:41,360 --> 00:06:43,680 Speaker 1: you decide? Like what happened when I left the interview? 119 00:06:43,880 --> 00:06:46,960 Speaker 1: You want to know the truth. I've never said this. 120 00:06:47,000 --> 00:06:51,880 Speaker 1: I don't think I about here's the truth now. I 121 00:06:51,920 --> 00:06:54,520 Speaker 1: think there's like two other people that they have interviewed. 122 00:06:56,560 --> 00:07:01,400 Speaker 1: You were not qualified. I'm not even close. And you 123 00:07:01,400 --> 00:07:06,120 Speaker 1: you answered incorrectly with everything. However, we did what we 124 00:07:06,160 --> 00:07:09,040 Speaker 1: are doing now, which is we laughed, we jibed, we 125 00:07:09,120 --> 00:07:12,440 Speaker 1: got along, and you can feel your heart the moment 126 00:07:12,440 --> 00:07:14,000 Speaker 1: that you walk in. Doown your room, and that's all 127 00:07:14,040 --> 00:07:16,680 Speaker 1: you need. And you were a phenomenal therapist. You were 128 00:07:16,680 --> 00:07:18,760 Speaker 1: and you were you were the perfect person for the job. 129 00:07:19,160 --> 00:07:21,960 Speaker 1: I mean, like, think about how many people were able 130 00:07:22,000 --> 00:07:25,440 Speaker 1: to truly help, how much we learned together, and how 131 00:07:25,440 --> 00:07:29,360 Speaker 1: how great a team it was. Yeah, like I'm so grateful. Yeah, yes, 132 00:07:29,600 --> 00:07:32,239 Speaker 1: minus the days that you would not do the sessions 133 00:07:32,240 --> 00:07:34,880 Speaker 1: because you're like, I'm not kayaking and I'm not doing that. 134 00:07:35,160 --> 00:07:38,480 Speaker 1: I'm not climbing that pole. I'm not my you did. 135 00:07:38,520 --> 00:07:40,280 Speaker 1: I did not take that back you did. I could 136 00:07:40,280 --> 00:07:44,360 Speaker 1: not go kayak. It took some some lovingly, yeah I 137 00:07:44,400 --> 00:07:47,200 Speaker 1: did do that, So what what happened? Just you guys know, 138 00:07:47,400 --> 00:07:50,000 Speaker 1: I did go to a training and like I passed 139 00:07:50,120 --> 00:07:51,720 Speaker 1: and I like learned how to do the things. But 140 00:07:51,840 --> 00:07:54,960 Speaker 1: you would not be able to have done all that 141 00:07:55,000 --> 00:07:57,640 Speaker 1: stuff without you. They're like the therapy stuff was second 142 00:07:57,720 --> 00:08:00,040 Speaker 1: nature to me, but the other stuff was like a 143 00:08:00,120 --> 00:08:04,120 Speaker 1: foreign language. All that to be said, the only reason 144 00:08:04,200 --> 00:08:06,400 Speaker 1: that they actually offered me that job is because they're 145 00:08:06,440 --> 00:08:09,080 Speaker 1: about to do a ship tond of layoffs and they 146 00:08:09,080 --> 00:08:10,680 Speaker 1: didn't want me to get laid off, so they needed 147 00:08:10,680 --> 00:08:12,880 Speaker 1: to put me in a permanent position. So that was 148 00:08:12,920 --> 00:08:15,360 Speaker 1: why I even got the option to interview, Right, But 149 00:08:15,400 --> 00:08:18,520 Speaker 1: I'm so grateful that it was you. All that's said, 150 00:08:20,200 --> 00:08:22,120 Speaker 1: and it was amazing and it was awesome and it 151 00:08:22,160 --> 00:08:25,600 Speaker 1: was great, and here we are with my gosh, you 152 00:08:25,640 --> 00:08:29,560 Speaker 1: have your own practice, your own business thriving, and look 153 00:08:29,600 --> 00:08:32,080 Speaker 1: when you're on a podcast with you, this is amazing. 154 00:08:32,840 --> 00:08:36,360 Speaker 1: You're so awesome. Well, thank you, thank you. I'm so 155 00:08:36,440 --> 00:08:38,760 Speaker 1: proud of you. Thanks so for all of your listeners. 156 00:08:38,800 --> 00:08:41,720 Speaker 1: What do you call the listeners? Viewers even remember viewers, 157 00:08:41,760 --> 00:08:46,040 Speaker 1: they can't see you, listeners, all your listeners. If you 158 00:08:46,040 --> 00:08:48,480 Speaker 1: have a matter in person, then you really should because 159 00:08:48,480 --> 00:08:51,080 Speaker 1: she's one of the best. That's you. Thank you, Thanks 160 00:08:51,160 --> 00:08:53,400 Speaker 1: for having me. You're amazing and I'm so glad that 161 00:08:53,400 --> 00:08:55,880 Speaker 1: you're an adventure of therapist with me. So if for 162 00:08:55,920 --> 00:08:57,920 Speaker 1: anybody who's listened to a lot of the episodes, the 163 00:08:57,960 --> 00:09:01,200 Speaker 1: one we did with Elena would talked about somatic therapy. 164 00:09:01,480 --> 00:09:06,040 Speaker 1: She was on our team so best ever, My god, 165 00:09:06,160 --> 00:09:08,360 Speaker 1: it was so I mean, there are so many things 166 00:09:08,360 --> 00:09:11,400 Speaker 1: I remember being annoyed with, but also you're annoyed with. 167 00:09:11,840 --> 00:09:14,480 Speaker 1: There's parts of every job that are annoying. Right. It 168 00:09:14,559 --> 00:09:17,240 Speaker 1: was the most fun I think I've ever had in 169 00:09:17,280 --> 00:09:20,400 Speaker 1: a job. And the reason I really even wanted to 170 00:09:20,440 --> 00:09:23,240 Speaker 1: talk about adventure Therapy on the podcast is because the 171 00:09:23,480 --> 00:09:28,280 Speaker 1: stuff that we did was crazy and so meaningful and 172 00:09:28,440 --> 00:09:31,080 Speaker 1: like life changing. And I think a lot of times 173 00:09:31,120 --> 00:09:33,240 Speaker 1: what I struggled with is like I wanted to do 174 00:09:33,280 --> 00:09:35,839 Speaker 1: all of this, like deep trauma work and all this 175 00:09:35,920 --> 00:09:40,920 Speaker 1: stuff and and whatever, and I didn't realize how important 176 00:09:41,360 --> 00:09:44,360 Speaker 1: the things we were doing. I don't realize how important 177 00:09:44,400 --> 00:09:47,160 Speaker 1: that was, and how much the things that we were 178 00:09:47,160 --> 00:09:49,719 Speaker 1: doing with them just once a week were solidifying a 179 00:09:49,760 --> 00:09:51,840 Speaker 1: lot of the other work that they were doing. Or 180 00:09:51,840 --> 00:09:53,760 Speaker 1: for some it was the only time that they actually 181 00:09:54,000 --> 00:09:56,959 Speaker 1: opened up, got vulnerable, got into what was really going 182 00:09:56,960 --> 00:09:59,360 Speaker 1: on inside. Because it takes an experience and adventure and 183 00:09:59,440 --> 00:10:03,320 Speaker 1: activity outside of an office setting. Because not everyone, for 184 00:10:03,400 --> 00:10:07,240 Speaker 1: myself especially, Yeah, I don't process like your windows are closed. 185 00:10:07,360 --> 00:10:10,120 Speaker 1: It's been freaking out the whole time. I can't see outside. 186 00:10:10,320 --> 00:10:12,560 Speaker 1: But it's you. So I feel comfortable here. But if 187 00:10:12,600 --> 00:10:15,320 Speaker 1: if it were anyone other than you and someone said, hey, Megan, 188 00:10:15,360 --> 00:10:17,600 Speaker 1: sit down and be you, I would be so uncomfortable 189 00:10:17,840 --> 00:10:22,520 Speaker 1: because I process in the outdoors, outside in movement. So yeah, 190 00:10:22,559 --> 00:10:26,720 Speaker 1: adventure therapy can speak to some that other modalities can't. Anyway, Okay, 191 00:10:26,760 --> 00:10:30,600 Speaker 1: so let's talk about what adventure therapy is. Okay, what 192 00:10:30,800 --> 00:10:33,720 Speaker 1: is it? First and then we'll talk about how you 193 00:10:33,800 --> 00:10:36,640 Speaker 1: got into it. Yeah, for sure. So adventure therapy is 194 00:10:36,880 --> 00:10:39,559 Speaker 1: a type of experiential therapy. If you think of experiential 195 00:10:39,600 --> 00:10:43,600 Speaker 1: therapy as an umbrella and under it there's a venture therapy, 196 00:10:43,800 --> 00:10:48,160 Speaker 1: equine therapy, psychodrama and as you know, experiential therapy is 197 00:10:48,600 --> 00:10:52,360 Speaker 1: focusing on the experience at hand. Adventure therapy it is 198 00:10:52,440 --> 00:10:56,480 Speaker 1: two parts. It's activity based and it's involving real or 199 00:10:56,559 --> 00:11:01,480 Speaker 1: perceived risk. So it's an activity, it's an experience, and 200 00:11:01,520 --> 00:11:03,680 Speaker 1: there is some type of risk involved. One of the 201 00:11:03,720 --> 00:11:06,680 Speaker 1: godfathers of venture therapy, Dctor Michael Gass, I have to 202 00:11:06,720 --> 00:11:09,040 Speaker 1: say his name because he is like my mentor. He 203 00:11:09,120 --> 00:11:11,560 Speaker 1: is who I learned a ton of stuff from. But 204 00:11:11,640 --> 00:11:14,280 Speaker 1: he explained to me and taught me that the moment 205 00:11:14,320 --> 00:11:16,720 Speaker 1: that a person gets out of their chair, in that moment, 206 00:11:16,960 --> 00:11:19,840 Speaker 1: they're on an adventure and the power of the metaphor 207 00:11:19,920 --> 00:11:22,920 Speaker 1: comes into play of what they are doing in that moment. 208 00:11:23,000 --> 00:11:29,040 Speaker 1: So some examples are hiking, kayaking, low ropes, course activities, 209 00:11:29,080 --> 00:11:32,880 Speaker 1: high ropes courses, zip lines, leap of faith, anything that 210 00:11:32,960 --> 00:11:36,240 Speaker 1: involves an activity and is pushing someone out of their 211 00:11:36,240 --> 00:11:38,440 Speaker 1: comfort zone. It can be done in office setting or 212 00:11:38,480 --> 00:11:41,280 Speaker 1: outside of it. You know that even I don't know 213 00:11:41,280 --> 00:11:46,199 Speaker 1: if you said that, but even like problem solving games initiatives, Yeah, 214 00:11:46,440 --> 00:11:51,560 Speaker 1: it's activity base and it it presents an opportunity for 215 00:11:51,640 --> 00:11:53,760 Speaker 1: people to use different parts of their brain than that 216 00:11:53,880 --> 00:11:56,840 Speaker 1: normally going to use in a normal talk therapy session. 217 00:11:57,120 --> 00:12:00,280 Speaker 1: And the principles that they learn in this silly little game, 218 00:12:00,320 --> 00:12:03,200 Speaker 1: they then take outside of that activity and apply it 219 00:12:03,280 --> 00:12:05,679 Speaker 1: to other parts of their life. You know, it helps 220 00:12:05,679 --> 00:12:09,200 Speaker 1: so many different people. But for folks who struggle with 221 00:12:09,240 --> 00:12:12,840 Speaker 1: sitting and talking, well, when they're playing kickball, or when 222 00:12:12,880 --> 00:12:16,000 Speaker 1: they're going for a hike, or when they're trying to 223 00:12:16,000 --> 00:12:18,760 Speaker 1: figure out this challenge with their teammates, or when they're 224 00:12:19,200 --> 00:12:21,400 Speaker 1: building a four in the forest. You did not like 225 00:12:21,480 --> 00:12:24,920 Speaker 1: that one, by the way, for it was a lot 226 00:12:24,960 --> 00:12:26,439 Speaker 1: of dirt. It was a lot of dirt, It was 227 00:12:26,520 --> 00:12:29,920 Speaker 1: hot ticks, mosquito snakes. Yeah, you were not a fan 228 00:12:29,960 --> 00:12:32,160 Speaker 1: of that. But produtive skills is huge. That's a whole 229 00:12:32,200 --> 00:12:36,240 Speaker 1: other story. So yeah, adventure therapy activity base. Well, you 230 00:12:36,280 --> 00:12:39,120 Speaker 1: know what I'm um, what's coming to me is during 231 00:12:39,160 --> 00:12:41,040 Speaker 1: the training and I don't think I'm making this up, 232 00:12:41,040 --> 00:12:43,680 Speaker 1: but during the training. I remember, we would learn the 233 00:12:43,720 --> 00:12:46,080 Speaker 1: different initiatives that we would be doing, and then we 234 00:12:46,080 --> 00:12:48,280 Speaker 1: would practice them. And when we would learn them, we 235 00:12:48,320 --> 00:12:52,359 Speaker 1: would actually do them. And after you do the actual activity, 236 00:12:52,440 --> 00:12:54,800 Speaker 1: there's this a processing phase of it. There's always a 237 00:12:54,840 --> 00:12:58,160 Speaker 1: processing phase. And one of the things that is said 238 00:12:58,320 --> 00:13:03,160 Speaker 1: first when you're processing, okay, what happened? And I think 239 00:13:03,160 --> 00:13:06,640 Speaker 1: a lot of times when people look at some of 240 00:13:06,679 --> 00:13:09,880 Speaker 1: the initiatives or activities that are done at in adventure therapy, 241 00:13:10,360 --> 00:13:12,480 Speaker 1: they look at them as like, Okay, so that's a 242 00:13:13,160 --> 00:13:17,040 Speaker 1: you're doing that, like you're doing the Leap of Faith, 243 00:13:17,120 --> 00:13:23,240 Speaker 1: or you're doing that like the twelve. You're just doing that. 244 00:13:24,200 --> 00:13:28,120 Speaker 1: But what people don't realize is by doing that, you're 245 00:13:28,160 --> 00:13:31,080 Speaker 1: allowing your brain to work a different way, which is 246 00:13:31,400 --> 00:13:34,319 Speaker 1: allowing things to come up in a safe way. So 247 00:13:35,160 --> 00:13:36,400 Speaker 1: I don't know if this is even gonna make sense 248 00:13:36,400 --> 00:13:38,080 Speaker 1: that I'm saying it, but let's say you're doing some 249 00:13:38,200 --> 00:13:41,680 Speaker 1: like team building problem solving thing and you get really 250 00:13:41,720 --> 00:13:44,959 Speaker 1: frustrated and angry, and maybe you yell or or I 251 00:13:44,960 --> 00:13:47,800 Speaker 1: don't know, maybe you cry or maybe you whatever you do, 252 00:13:48,160 --> 00:13:51,040 Speaker 1: you're going to have a reaction to what's happening, and 253 00:13:51,080 --> 00:13:53,079 Speaker 1: it's going to be pulling from other parts of your 254 00:13:53,120 --> 00:13:54,840 Speaker 1: life or where. Then you process it and you say, well, 255 00:13:54,840 --> 00:13:58,000 Speaker 1: what happened? I got really mad because nobody was listening 256 00:13:58,000 --> 00:14:01,880 Speaker 1: to me. Oh okay, what did that feel like? Well, 257 00:14:01,920 --> 00:14:04,319 Speaker 1: it felt like I wasn't important? Okay? Is that is 258 00:14:04,360 --> 00:14:07,840 Speaker 1: that a familiar feeling? Yeah, that happened a lot to 259 00:14:07,880 --> 00:14:11,000 Speaker 1: me growing up. And it's like the safeness of it 260 00:14:11,080 --> 00:14:14,319 Speaker 1: being such like a use the word like silly little 261 00:14:14,360 --> 00:14:18,480 Speaker 1: game allows stuff to just come up where all of 262 00:14:18,480 --> 00:14:20,560 Speaker 1: a sudden, you're like, oh, I'm talking about my mom 263 00:14:20,560 --> 00:14:22,080 Speaker 1: when I was five, and like I thought we were 264 00:14:22,120 --> 00:14:24,760 Speaker 1: just doing this like puzzle, and it's like yeah, but 265 00:14:24,840 --> 00:14:27,880 Speaker 1: it allows people to drop into their bodies differently, so 266 00:14:27,920 --> 00:14:31,360 Speaker 1: they're not just thinking logical left brain and trying to 267 00:14:31,640 --> 00:14:35,560 Speaker 1: protect themselves their whole time. And that's why I loved 268 00:14:35,640 --> 00:14:38,200 Speaker 1: doing it so much, is because there was an aspect 269 00:14:38,200 --> 00:14:41,400 Speaker 1: of fun and like excitement, but there also was an 270 00:14:41,440 --> 00:14:44,920 Speaker 1: aspect of vulnerability that we couldn't produce and just talk 271 00:14:45,000 --> 00:14:49,040 Speaker 1: therapy totally. Yeah. It gives folks the opportunity to drop 272 00:14:49,080 --> 00:14:51,840 Speaker 1: the facade and they often are even aware of it. Yeah, 273 00:14:52,360 --> 00:14:55,400 Speaker 1: because they're they're so engaged in what is at hand, 274 00:14:55,920 --> 00:14:59,560 Speaker 1: whether it's climbing that wall or hiking this trail, or 275 00:14:59,600 --> 00:15:01,640 Speaker 1: like you get in the golf ball from one end 276 00:15:01,640 --> 00:15:06,480 Speaker 1: of the room to the other, yeah, pipeline, Yeah, using 277 00:15:06,480 --> 00:15:11,200 Speaker 1: their PBC pipe. They're so focused and so unaware that 278 00:15:11,520 --> 00:15:14,560 Speaker 1: their body is reminding them of things that have happened 279 00:15:14,880 --> 00:15:17,520 Speaker 1: and occurred in their past, and it gives them, like 280 00:15:17,560 --> 00:15:19,640 Speaker 1: you said, the safe space to be able to process it. 281 00:15:19,640 --> 00:15:30,280 Speaker 1: It's phenomenal. So let's talk about some different parts of 282 00:15:30,320 --> 00:15:33,040 Speaker 1: adventure therapy. So we've mentioned some of them, but let's 283 00:15:33,040 --> 00:15:34,800 Speaker 1: like talk about them, and then I want to talk 284 00:15:34,840 --> 00:15:38,240 Speaker 1: about two some like favorite memories, if you have any 285 00:15:38,240 --> 00:15:42,080 Speaker 1: favorite stories, like of actual things that have happened, because 286 00:15:42,160 --> 00:15:46,280 Speaker 1: it is wild. As an adventure therapist at where we were, 287 00:15:46,720 --> 00:15:50,120 Speaker 1: we saw these people once a week, where the other 288 00:15:50,680 --> 00:15:52,520 Speaker 1: they're like they have a primary therapist and all this, 289 00:15:52,600 --> 00:15:54,720 Speaker 1: all these other people are seeing them every single day. 290 00:15:55,000 --> 00:15:57,600 Speaker 1: We saw them once a week, and sometimes they were 291 00:15:57,640 --> 00:16:00,119 Speaker 1: only there for a month, so we saw them four times. 292 00:16:00,840 --> 00:16:03,320 Speaker 1: But I over and over and over again. And I 293 00:16:03,400 --> 00:16:05,360 Speaker 1: know this to be true because I worked in both. 294 00:16:06,000 --> 00:16:10,800 Speaker 1: On both sides, adventure therapy was people's favorite day. And 295 00:16:11,360 --> 00:16:15,520 Speaker 1: they felt more connected to you and I than a 296 00:16:15,520 --> 00:16:18,600 Speaker 1: lot of their primary therapists. And I just think that's 297 00:16:18,600 --> 00:16:21,480 Speaker 1: incredible because it's like we spend one day a week 298 00:16:21,520 --> 00:16:24,200 Speaker 1: with these people playing game. Okay, so let's talk about 299 00:16:24,280 --> 00:16:26,320 Speaker 1: some of the stuff that we do. So leap of 300 00:16:26,320 --> 00:16:29,400 Speaker 1: faith I think is an important so high ropes elements, 301 00:16:29,800 --> 00:16:31,360 Speaker 1: so leap of faith is one of them. There's a 302 00:16:31,400 --> 00:16:34,560 Speaker 1: high you know, there's high ropes courses, there's zip lining, um. 303 00:16:34,600 --> 00:16:36,920 Speaker 1: But the leap of faith to me is just it's 304 00:16:36,960 --> 00:16:39,280 Speaker 1: the bread and butter of adventure therapy. And there's lots 305 00:16:39,280 --> 00:16:40,960 Speaker 1: of places around here that you can go and do 306 00:16:41,040 --> 00:16:43,480 Speaker 1: that in national and big cities. But I mean, as 307 00:16:43,480 --> 00:16:46,280 Speaker 1: you know, for the folks who don't, you're climbing literally 308 00:16:46,280 --> 00:16:49,920 Speaker 1: a forty foot telephone pole or a tree, and you're 309 00:16:49,960 --> 00:16:53,240 Speaker 1: strapped into a full body harness and you're on a 310 00:16:53,280 --> 00:16:56,120 Speaker 1: ballet cable and you climb up. You stand on a 311 00:16:56,280 --> 00:16:59,960 Speaker 1: very very small platform and you take a leap of 312 00:17:00,000 --> 00:17:02,840 Speaker 1: faith and you jump off. And it's cool because the pool, 313 00:17:03,000 --> 00:17:06,120 Speaker 1: the tree, it moves with you in accordance to your breathing. 314 00:17:06,640 --> 00:17:10,000 Speaker 1: So for trauma therapist's a phenomenal exercise for us because 315 00:17:10,000 --> 00:17:12,720 Speaker 1: we can teach our clients how the power of the 316 00:17:12,800 --> 00:17:15,720 Speaker 1: breath is so important, and how we hold our breath 317 00:17:15,720 --> 00:17:18,000 Speaker 1: when we're scared, and so when you get on the top, 318 00:17:18,160 --> 00:17:20,679 Speaker 1: if you are breathing into the core, through your feet 319 00:17:20,720 --> 00:17:24,040 Speaker 1: into the ground, it will stop shaking, which is so 320 00:17:24,080 --> 00:17:26,320 Speaker 1: crazy to watch happen. It's so crazy. But if you're 321 00:17:26,359 --> 00:17:28,960 Speaker 1: not breathing and you're scared out of your gourd, which 322 00:17:29,000 --> 00:17:31,960 Speaker 1: was you know what happened? Often it can sway four 323 00:17:32,000 --> 00:17:34,479 Speaker 1: ft six feet side to side and terrifying. Again, it's 324 00:17:34,520 --> 00:17:38,040 Speaker 1: the power of the metaphor, putting especially of spiritual practice 325 00:17:38,080 --> 00:17:40,800 Speaker 1: to it. Of what do you leave in behind? What 326 00:17:40,840 --> 00:17:43,880 Speaker 1: are you jumping into? And you literally are jumping off 327 00:17:44,040 --> 00:17:48,399 Speaker 1: this pole into the air, trusting the system above you 328 00:17:49,080 --> 00:17:52,000 Speaker 1: talk about the metaphor there, trusting the person that has 329 00:17:52,040 --> 00:17:54,240 Speaker 1: two hands in the rope, the layer, you know, one 330 00:17:54,280 --> 00:17:57,760 Speaker 1: of us, the therapist, the facilitator, the adventure guide, or 331 00:17:57,800 --> 00:18:00,400 Speaker 1: sometimes the clients themselves if we taught them, and being 332 00:18:00,480 --> 00:18:04,080 Speaker 1: lord to the ground. It's when you put a physical 333 00:18:04,160 --> 00:18:08,479 Speaker 1: experience to a metaphor or a principle that you deeply 334 00:18:08,520 --> 00:18:11,479 Speaker 1: want to practice in your life, it just makes it 335 00:18:11,520 --> 00:18:14,000 Speaker 1: that much more impactful and you're going to remember it 336 00:18:14,400 --> 00:18:17,199 Speaker 1: more so. I mean, you know that neuroscience shows that 337 00:18:17,280 --> 00:18:22,840 Speaker 1: our brain likes to learn and think and communicate in metaphors. 338 00:18:23,560 --> 00:18:26,360 Speaker 1: When we are being told metaphors, more parts of our 339 00:18:26,400 --> 00:18:30,240 Speaker 1: brain light up than when we're just speaking in concrete communication, 340 00:18:30,359 --> 00:18:33,160 Speaker 1: black and white stuff. We like that. Well, it's one 341 00:18:33,400 --> 00:18:36,080 Speaker 1: thing to say you're safe. Now, so a lot of 342 00:18:36,080 --> 00:18:39,560 Speaker 1: people that are are are doing these and that doesn't 343 00:18:39,600 --> 00:18:41,440 Speaker 1: have to be this exaggerated, but a lot of the 344 00:18:41,440 --> 00:18:43,600 Speaker 1: people that we are working with at that point that 345 00:18:43,680 --> 00:18:45,840 Speaker 1: you still work with are the people who have gone 346 00:18:45,840 --> 00:18:49,280 Speaker 1: through that huge shock traumas like big trauma, And so 347 00:18:49,760 --> 00:18:51,360 Speaker 1: it's one thing for me to sit in our room 348 00:18:51,359 --> 00:18:53,480 Speaker 1: with somebody like you're safe and I'm a safe person, 349 00:18:53,720 --> 00:18:56,800 Speaker 1: and like you're okay. That is one thing, and like, sure, 350 00:18:56,880 --> 00:18:59,440 Speaker 1: that might be helpful, but it's not going to change 351 00:19:00,040 --> 00:19:03,480 Speaker 1: the actual pathways that have been created around how you 352 00:19:03,560 --> 00:19:06,879 Speaker 1: view people and how you view safety. It's just not 353 00:19:06,920 --> 00:19:09,400 Speaker 1: going to do that like that. But when you have 354 00:19:09,480 --> 00:19:13,760 Speaker 1: an experience of somebody saying you're safe and then you 355 00:19:13,920 --> 00:19:18,000 Speaker 1: show them, you are showing them so they're hearing the 356 00:19:18,160 --> 00:19:21,200 Speaker 1: words I am safe and then they're having the experience 357 00:19:21,240 --> 00:19:24,239 Speaker 1: of oh, I'm safe. They caught me. They said they 358 00:19:24,240 --> 00:19:26,879 Speaker 1: were going to catch me, and they caught me. In 359 00:19:27,000 --> 00:19:30,119 Speaker 1: our trauma, a lot of times what can happen is 360 00:19:30,200 --> 00:19:33,159 Speaker 1: we have an experience and in it we have fear. 361 00:19:33,520 --> 00:19:35,600 Speaker 1: Might be the feeling that comes. So I feel fear, 362 00:19:35,920 --> 00:19:38,640 Speaker 1: and so the thought with the fear is I'm not okay, 363 00:19:39,040 --> 00:19:41,359 Speaker 1: or I'm going to die or whatever it is. So 364 00:19:41,400 --> 00:19:44,439 Speaker 1: then we are marrying those that thought and that feeling together. 365 00:19:44,840 --> 00:19:46,879 Speaker 1: So then you go through your life and when you 366 00:19:46,920 --> 00:19:50,160 Speaker 1: feel fear, you have that thought pop back up. And 367 00:19:50,560 --> 00:19:52,560 Speaker 1: the reality is a fear is a great emotion. We 368 00:19:52,600 --> 00:19:54,280 Speaker 1: talked about it all the time on here. Fear is 369 00:19:54,320 --> 00:19:56,760 Speaker 1: an emotion that tells you that you care about things. 370 00:19:56,840 --> 00:19:59,520 Speaker 1: Is an emotion that is able to keep you safe. 371 00:19:59,560 --> 00:20:01,359 Speaker 1: It allow is you to know when there is danger. 372 00:20:01,560 --> 00:20:05,520 Speaker 1: And the reason I mean talk about our nervous system 373 00:20:05,600 --> 00:20:08,199 Speaker 1: and the threat defense system and all of that, like 374 00:20:08,320 --> 00:20:10,600 Speaker 1: that is a good thing for us to have. We 375 00:20:10,640 --> 00:20:14,480 Speaker 1: want to know when there's a threat, but when there 376 00:20:14,680 --> 00:20:17,800 Speaker 1: is something that happens, Oh, this could be a whole 377 00:20:17,840 --> 00:20:20,040 Speaker 1: talk on Polly. We'll do a whole episode on Polly. 378 00:20:20,080 --> 00:20:23,720 Speaker 1: Vag but when you have a trauma or something that 379 00:20:23,800 --> 00:20:27,960 Speaker 1: happens and you have the experience of not feeling safe 380 00:20:28,000 --> 00:20:31,000 Speaker 1: and something bad happening and you're scared, your automic nervous 381 00:20:31,000 --> 00:20:33,080 Speaker 1: system kicks on to keep you safe and to help 382 00:20:33,080 --> 00:20:35,840 Speaker 1: you survive. But then if you don't actually process what's 383 00:20:35,840 --> 00:20:39,240 Speaker 1: happening later after it's happened, if you don't actually process 384 00:20:39,280 --> 00:20:41,919 Speaker 1: that stuff, that experience is still living in your body 385 00:20:41,960 --> 00:20:45,240 Speaker 1: and you're you're in it, and so you're not responding 386 00:20:45,280 --> 00:20:47,399 Speaker 1: to old traumas you're responding to the trauma that you're 387 00:20:47,440 --> 00:20:50,000 Speaker 1: having now that's still on your body, and you're moving 388 00:20:50,080 --> 00:20:54,280 Speaker 1: between not safety and um fight flight are freeze. You're 389 00:20:54,280 --> 00:20:57,320 Speaker 1: moving between like fight flight and freeze for a really 390 00:20:57,359 --> 00:21:01,840 Speaker 1: long time. And what adventure therapy specifically this initiative does 391 00:21:02,040 --> 00:21:05,560 Speaker 1: is it allows you to have that experience of I'm 392 00:21:05,600 --> 00:21:08,840 Speaker 1: freaked out of my mind, and then it also allows 393 00:21:08,920 --> 00:21:12,399 Speaker 1: you to gain some control because as you bring your 394 00:21:12,440 --> 00:21:16,040 Speaker 1: breath in, your regulating your nervous system, and when you 395 00:21:16,080 --> 00:21:20,920 Speaker 1: are exhaling slowly and breathing and slowly, you're actually calming 396 00:21:20,920 --> 00:21:23,840 Speaker 1: yourself down and not going into fight or fight. And 397 00:21:23,840 --> 00:21:26,920 Speaker 1: then you have the experience of somebody looking at you saying, hey, 398 00:21:26,960 --> 00:21:29,720 Speaker 1: I got you. I know it's scary, I got you. 399 00:21:29,720 --> 00:21:32,800 Speaker 1: You're it's gonna be okay, trust me. And then you 400 00:21:32,880 --> 00:21:36,119 Speaker 1: have the fear, and then you do it anyway, and 401 00:21:36,119 --> 00:21:40,160 Speaker 1: then you have the experience of holy shit, they told 402 00:21:40,160 --> 00:21:44,560 Speaker 1: the truth. I'm okay, that person is safe. I can 403 00:21:44,600 --> 00:21:49,600 Speaker 1: trust people. Holy shit. Well that that is what is 404 00:21:49,600 --> 00:21:53,040 Speaker 1: going to shift a lot of people's actual belief systems. 405 00:21:53,640 --> 00:21:55,840 Speaker 1: There's power and talk therapy. I do it all day. 406 00:21:55,880 --> 00:21:58,879 Speaker 1: But that is why stuff like this is so important, 407 00:21:58,960 --> 00:22:01,679 Speaker 1: because it's not just telling a story. It's hey, I'm 408 00:22:01,720 --> 00:22:03,800 Speaker 1: lett show you, and then we get to create new stories. 409 00:22:04,560 --> 00:22:06,960 Speaker 1: It's huge. It's huge. It's like when people get to 410 00:22:07,000 --> 00:22:09,320 Speaker 1: the top of that pole before they climb up it, 411 00:22:09,640 --> 00:22:11,520 Speaker 1: I will now say when they ask me, Megan, am 412 00:22:11,560 --> 00:22:15,080 Speaker 1: I safe? And I'll say I can't guarantee your safety. 413 00:22:15,119 --> 00:22:17,639 Speaker 1: I can't. There are things that I cannot control in 414 00:22:17,720 --> 00:22:19,520 Speaker 1: this world. So I said, there are things that you 415 00:22:19,560 --> 00:22:22,920 Speaker 1: cannot control this world. I cannot control if a lightning 416 00:22:22,920 --> 00:22:26,280 Speaker 1: strike comes out of this beautiful blue sky, nor can you, 417 00:22:26,520 --> 00:22:28,200 Speaker 1: which you have the power to make to this the 418 00:22:28,400 --> 00:22:31,600 Speaker 1: decision are you going to continue to climb up knowing 419 00:22:32,320 --> 00:22:36,240 Speaker 1: that what you can control is now yours and rightfully yours, 420 00:22:36,320 --> 00:22:39,879 Speaker 1: i e. Your breath, your voice, your choices, your body, 421 00:22:40,080 --> 00:22:43,080 Speaker 1: because yeah, because the other parts, like, we don't force 422 00:22:43,160 --> 00:22:45,919 Speaker 1: people to do it. So so many people get to 423 00:22:45,960 --> 00:22:48,160 Speaker 1: the top of that pole and they don't jump. They 424 00:22:48,200 --> 00:22:50,639 Speaker 1: sit there for like thirty minutes one time is an 425 00:22:50,680 --> 00:22:53,240 Speaker 1: hour and a half. Oh my gosh's and then they 426 00:22:53,280 --> 00:22:55,840 Speaker 1: decided to climb down. Yeah, and that's totally great. But 427 00:22:56,000 --> 00:23:00,199 Speaker 1: that's also I mean, that speaks to whatever happens that 428 00:23:00,240 --> 00:23:02,359 Speaker 1: poll is what needs to happen on that pole, is 429 00:23:02,400 --> 00:23:04,960 Speaker 1: what I do know. Because for some people it's more 430 00:23:05,000 --> 00:23:08,160 Speaker 1: powerful to say I don't want to do it and 431 00:23:08,200 --> 00:23:12,040 Speaker 1: for us to say, okay, let's get you down. For 432 00:23:12,119 --> 00:23:13,920 Speaker 1: some people that all I wanted to do is climb 433 00:23:14,000 --> 00:23:17,280 Speaker 1: halfway up and then come down just as lovely for 434 00:23:17,440 --> 00:23:19,720 Speaker 1: two steps. Yes, and so that's amazing. And then some 435 00:23:19,760 --> 00:23:22,159 Speaker 1: people are like, well, I only want to climb halfway 436 00:23:22,200 --> 00:23:23,800 Speaker 1: and then they start doing it and then they're like, 437 00:23:23,840 --> 00:23:26,200 Speaker 1: wait a second, no, I want to keep going. But 438 00:23:26,280 --> 00:23:31,080 Speaker 1: everything that's happening is their choice, right for sure, which 439 00:23:31,119 --> 00:23:33,960 Speaker 1: most of our child they didn't they didn't have that 440 00:23:34,400 --> 00:23:37,040 Speaker 1: for such a long time. Yes, for sure. So I 441 00:23:37,040 --> 00:23:38,920 Speaker 1: want to make a new leave of faith. I haven't 442 00:23:38,960 --> 00:23:41,439 Speaker 1: done it in a long time. That week that we trained, 443 00:23:41,680 --> 00:23:43,920 Speaker 1: I had to do it five times. Dude. It's exhausting. 444 00:23:44,240 --> 00:23:49,000 Speaker 1: It's a actual physical it's very physical. Okay, So let's 445 00:23:49,080 --> 00:23:52,520 Speaker 1: leave a faith forever. That is a huge one, and 446 00:23:52,520 --> 00:23:54,959 Speaker 1: that's an adventure of something, I mean, an example of 447 00:23:55,000 --> 00:23:58,520 Speaker 1: something that is done at adventure therapy. But also let's 448 00:23:58,520 --> 00:24:01,800 Speaker 1: talk about the like because that's a huge one and 449 00:24:02,000 --> 00:24:04,399 Speaker 1: one that people actually really look forward to doing, I 450 00:24:04,440 --> 00:24:06,520 Speaker 1: think a lot of times. But what about these like 451 00:24:06,880 --> 00:24:10,399 Speaker 1: more like in like discreet simple like you know, I 452 00:24:10,480 --> 00:24:13,840 Speaker 1: have my private practice that I've used a whole two 453 00:24:13,880 --> 00:24:16,280 Speaker 1: times in three years in my little office. I've literally 454 00:24:16,359 --> 00:24:19,480 Speaker 1: used it twice because I meet people at a park 455 00:24:19,800 --> 00:24:23,600 Speaker 1: and we're hiking and we're outside, or we're kayaking, or 456 00:24:23,600 --> 00:24:26,760 Speaker 1: we're canoeing. You know, couples in a canoe is phenomenal. 457 00:24:27,040 --> 00:24:30,440 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, it's talk about a great experience, Oh 458 00:24:30,440 --> 00:24:33,160 Speaker 1: my god, and all the powerful metaphors in that one. 459 00:24:33,200 --> 00:24:36,480 Speaker 1: But like, what are some of those like you said pipeline, 460 00:24:36,720 --> 00:24:38,520 Speaker 1: But I'm trying to think of the other things so 461 00:24:38,640 --> 00:24:40,560 Speaker 1: there's there's things that you can do. It depends on 462 00:24:40,640 --> 00:24:42,439 Speaker 1: who you're working with. If it's a couple's you know, 463 00:24:42,520 --> 00:24:45,399 Speaker 1: you can do different games or initiatives that are geared 464 00:24:45,400 --> 00:24:48,360 Speaker 1: towards just two people. If it's a family, you can 465 00:24:48,400 --> 00:24:52,880 Speaker 1: do um Essentially, any sport or game that we play 466 00:24:52,920 --> 00:24:56,800 Speaker 1: in society, you can turn it into adventure therapy session easily, 467 00:24:57,240 --> 00:25:02,280 Speaker 1: whether it's kickball or so ball, basketball, soccer, whatever. I mean, 468 00:25:02,440 --> 00:25:05,479 Speaker 1: you created one with your beautiful brain. Hold that together. 469 00:25:06,040 --> 00:25:09,960 Speaker 1: It was fenal, Yeah, yeah, you get. We gave everyone 470 00:25:10,080 --> 00:25:14,960 Speaker 1: every group got a big of yarn and different objects, 471 00:25:15,240 --> 00:25:18,520 Speaker 1: whether it was toys or soft animals or a can 472 00:25:18,600 --> 00:25:21,919 Speaker 1: of green beans. Will never forget that. And the group 473 00:25:22,320 --> 00:25:26,800 Speaker 1: had to create a web of some sort using this yarn, 474 00:25:27,480 --> 00:25:29,760 Speaker 1: and they had to hold all the objects up on 475 00:25:29,800 --> 00:25:32,320 Speaker 1: top of the arn and move from point A to 476 00:25:32,359 --> 00:25:35,600 Speaker 1: point b without the items falling through. And everyone had 477 00:25:35,640 --> 00:25:38,720 Speaker 1: to have their hands attached. Sometimes they couldn't speak, they 478 00:25:38,720 --> 00:25:40,240 Speaker 1: couldn't use their voice, they had to use you know, 479 00:25:40,400 --> 00:25:44,040 Speaker 1: eye contact, their body language. And they had to work together. 480 00:25:44,320 --> 00:25:46,760 Speaker 1: I do that with families. Now it's fenoen. We know 481 00:25:46,840 --> 00:25:49,840 Speaker 1: what is so fun? What I remember is so often 482 00:25:49,880 --> 00:25:51,760 Speaker 1: when we would do that, some people would be so 483 00:25:51,800 --> 00:25:54,639 Speaker 1: excited to do it, and some were like, this is 484 00:25:54,800 --> 00:25:59,520 Speaker 1: so stupid, blah blah blah blah. I'm spending thirty grand 485 00:25:59,560 --> 00:26:02,240 Speaker 1: for this. Yeah yeah, like we know, just trust the process. 486 00:26:02,720 --> 00:26:05,480 Speaker 1: But what is cool And the difference between something like 487 00:26:05,560 --> 00:26:08,080 Speaker 1: that and something like the leap of faith is that's 488 00:26:08,119 --> 00:26:11,400 Speaker 1: a whole different experience. So then you're really focused on 489 00:26:11,480 --> 00:26:16,800 Speaker 1: like communication and like creativity and using your imagination and 490 00:26:16,840 --> 00:26:19,720 Speaker 1: all that stuff and play and a lot of times 491 00:26:19,720 --> 00:26:22,680 Speaker 1: people's imagination and trauma gets like stuck and so it's 492 00:26:22,720 --> 00:26:25,680 Speaker 1: a it's a really good even just exercise for them. 493 00:26:25,720 --> 00:26:28,480 Speaker 1: But yeah, play because a lot of people just talking 494 00:26:28,600 --> 00:26:32,320 Speaker 1: talk about like reparenting and like healing your the inner 495 00:26:32,440 --> 00:26:35,880 Speaker 1: child part of you. It's like, oh, what happens when 496 00:26:35,880 --> 00:26:39,440 Speaker 1: we invite the inner child to come spend some time 497 00:26:39,440 --> 00:26:42,600 Speaker 1: with you and treatment? People are like I don't want 498 00:26:42,600 --> 00:26:44,960 Speaker 1: to do that, Like it's like their child isn't allowed 499 00:26:45,000 --> 00:26:48,159 Speaker 1: to show up acting like a kid is bad or 500 00:26:48,200 --> 00:26:50,240 Speaker 1: being a kid is bad, or play is bad or 501 00:26:50,480 --> 00:26:53,480 Speaker 1: having fun is bad. I mean, there's so much that 502 00:26:53,760 --> 00:26:56,680 Speaker 1: can come out of like a game that I made 503 00:26:56,760 --> 00:26:59,080 Speaker 1: up because it was like rained I think it rained 504 00:26:59,119 --> 00:27:01,679 Speaker 1: one day and we needed a rain plan and I 505 00:27:01,720 --> 00:27:03,679 Speaker 1: was like, okay, no rain for like a month, and 506 00:27:03,720 --> 00:27:06,199 Speaker 1: so we were doing rain activities every day and we 507 00:27:06,200 --> 00:27:08,359 Speaker 1: were running out of the first part of the job. 508 00:27:10,000 --> 00:27:12,040 Speaker 1: We can we talk about that though, because that's like 509 00:27:12,080 --> 00:27:14,439 Speaker 1: one of my favorite parts of adventure is there. The 510 00:27:14,440 --> 00:27:17,520 Speaker 1: other aspect of how powerful it is is because it 511 00:27:17,680 --> 00:27:22,320 Speaker 1: truly gives people the space to build the resiliency. Because 512 00:27:22,760 --> 00:27:25,840 Speaker 1: if you are doing a venture therapy outside in not 513 00:27:25,920 --> 00:27:28,760 Speaker 1: so great of weather, in conditions that you would normally 514 00:27:28,800 --> 00:27:31,560 Speaker 1: not feel comfortable in, it's giving you the real life 515 00:27:31,560 --> 00:27:36,080 Speaker 1: opportunity to expand your comfort zone. And when clients say, Megan, 516 00:27:36,119 --> 00:27:38,399 Speaker 1: the weather is awful outside. It's too hot, it's too cold, 517 00:27:38,760 --> 00:27:42,280 Speaker 1: it's raining, it's whatever, my response is typically, if you 518 00:27:42,359 --> 00:27:46,199 Speaker 1: wait for the perfect day to change, you will never change. 519 00:27:46,640 --> 00:27:48,879 Speaker 1: It's very simple. If it has to be the perfect 520 00:27:48,880 --> 00:27:50,800 Speaker 1: condition for you to change, it's not. It's never gonna happen, 521 00:27:50,840 --> 00:27:53,080 Speaker 1: So let's do it now, and it usually gets the 522 00:27:53,240 --> 00:27:56,000 Speaker 1: more there. Yeah, I love that because how often have 523 00:27:56,200 --> 00:27:58,679 Speaker 1: you read that or seen that or heard that. But 524 00:27:58,880 --> 00:28:02,120 Speaker 1: then what again you're doing is you're taking that that 525 00:28:02,280 --> 00:28:05,879 Speaker 1: statement that you just said, and you're actually putting it 526 00:28:05,920 --> 00:28:09,720 Speaker 1: into play like, oh, this is what people mean because 527 00:28:09,840 --> 00:28:13,439 Speaker 1: think about addiction, think about I mean, any of that stuff. 528 00:28:13,480 --> 00:28:15,520 Speaker 1: There's never going to be a good day to like 529 00:28:15,600 --> 00:28:18,439 Speaker 1: get sober, Like there's never be a good day to 530 00:28:18,640 --> 00:28:21,960 Speaker 1: yeah I go back to that same person, or to 531 00:28:22,160 --> 00:28:25,760 Speaker 1: not or an easy day to to get sober, or 532 00:28:25,960 --> 00:28:28,720 Speaker 1: there's never going to talk about like relationship addiction and 533 00:28:28,720 --> 00:28:31,560 Speaker 1: stuff like that too. In the cycle of abuse. It's 534 00:28:31,760 --> 00:28:34,560 Speaker 1: there's never going to be a perfect scenario when it's 535 00:28:34,600 --> 00:28:38,280 Speaker 1: finally a perfect time to leave that partner that's toxic. 536 00:28:39,240 --> 00:28:41,080 Speaker 1: That's not going to happen. It's always going to be hard, 537 00:28:41,440 --> 00:28:44,080 Speaker 1: always going to be something. But look, you can do 538 00:28:44,120 --> 00:28:46,360 Speaker 1: it here while we're trying to I don't know what 539 00:28:46,400 --> 00:28:48,800 Speaker 1: you would be doing in the rain kayak king, Oh kayaking. 540 00:28:50,840 --> 00:28:53,680 Speaker 1: I wasn't there that day. No, you weren't ever wouldn't be. 541 00:28:54,440 --> 00:28:56,959 Speaker 1: There's never gonna yeah, So you do it. You just 542 00:28:57,040 --> 00:29:00,280 Speaker 1: do it anyway. You do it when it's challenging, and 543 00:29:00,280 --> 00:29:02,760 Speaker 1: it can be good, and it's always good because when 544 00:29:02,760 --> 00:29:05,520 Speaker 1: you come out on the other side and you see that, Wow, 545 00:29:05,560 --> 00:29:08,000 Speaker 1: I have a track record of surviving that thing that 546 00:29:08,080 --> 00:29:12,560 Speaker 1: I thought was unbearable. You're doing something good for your body, 547 00:29:12,600 --> 00:29:17,200 Speaker 1: for your brain, for yourself. It's phenomenal. It gives you 548 00:29:17,600 --> 00:29:20,760 Speaker 1: a greater source of strength and well that you can 549 00:29:20,800 --> 00:29:24,800 Speaker 1: tap into that you didn't think ever existed. That's what 550 00:29:24,840 --> 00:29:27,120 Speaker 1: a venture therapy can do. And that's kind of touching 551 00:29:27,120 --> 00:29:30,280 Speaker 1: into wilderness tapy what you mentioned earlier. Like you know me, 552 00:29:30,400 --> 00:29:32,720 Speaker 1: I have a huge bias towards wildness therapy because there's 553 00:29:32,720 --> 00:29:34,560 Speaker 1: something like it. I can't say that I do wilderness 554 00:29:34,600 --> 00:29:37,560 Speaker 1: therapy here in Nashville because I'm not in a wilderness setting. 555 00:29:37,640 --> 00:29:41,320 Speaker 1: Wilderness therapy is quite similar to adventure therapy, except for 556 00:29:41,480 --> 00:29:44,400 Speaker 1: it is done in a wilderness setting. You got to 557 00:29:44,440 --> 00:29:47,360 Speaker 1: be in the back country. I see your face right now. 558 00:29:47,480 --> 00:29:51,080 Speaker 1: I know, like Cat's not going with me one day 559 00:29:51,160 --> 00:29:54,719 Speaker 1: she is. One day you're gonna come. I wouldn't do 560 00:29:54,760 --> 00:29:58,360 Speaker 1: that for a living. I would experience it as you 561 00:29:58,440 --> 00:30:01,600 Speaker 1: would like to experience it. I can be outdoors you 562 00:30:01,680 --> 00:30:03,800 Speaker 1: just said that to all of your listeners. I'm going 563 00:30:03,880 --> 00:30:06,640 Speaker 1: to hold you that, yes, you can be outdoorsy, but 564 00:30:06,720 --> 00:30:09,840 Speaker 1: you're like the perfect example of what you've experienced of 565 00:30:09,960 --> 00:30:11,840 Speaker 1: going out there and doing these things and then what 566 00:30:11,960 --> 00:30:13,840 Speaker 1: you feel on the opposite side. So, yeah, what this 567 00:30:14,040 --> 00:30:18,360 Speaker 1: therapy is a whole different, beautiful modality, and that you 568 00:30:18,400 --> 00:30:24,240 Speaker 1: are truly disconnected from society, from from technology, from the 569 00:30:24,320 --> 00:30:26,480 Speaker 1: front country, from all the things that you thought you 570 00:30:26,520 --> 00:30:28,960 Speaker 1: need to feel comfortable, and you are really in a 571 00:30:29,000 --> 00:30:32,560 Speaker 1: situation of Okay, what do I really need? Who am 572 00:30:32,640 --> 00:30:35,040 Speaker 1: I really And when you come out the other side, 573 00:30:35,080 --> 00:30:37,960 Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, there's there's nothing like it. Well, also 574 00:30:38,120 --> 00:30:44,080 Speaker 1: the ability to connect to yourself, the Earth, your higher power, 575 00:30:44,240 --> 00:30:48,680 Speaker 1: other people, yeah, the creator of creation itself. Yeah, that 576 00:30:49,240 --> 00:30:52,520 Speaker 1: when you peel back all those distractions. Like I don't 577 00:30:52,520 --> 00:30:54,200 Speaker 1: know why I keep having this image as you're talking 578 00:30:54,240 --> 00:30:57,720 Speaker 1: about it, I'm just like imagining myself like in a desert, barefoot, 579 00:30:57,760 --> 00:30:59,360 Speaker 1: like touching the ground and like feeling the heat of 580 00:30:59,400 --> 00:31:02,160 Speaker 1: the earth. I'm not going I know, but like that's 581 00:31:02,160 --> 00:31:05,960 Speaker 1: the that's the WHI have in my head because because 582 00:31:06,000 --> 00:31:11,320 Speaker 1: what I'm thinking about is like the power of connecting 583 00:31:11,520 --> 00:31:15,280 Speaker 1: and how connection is what heals a lot of our stuff, 584 00:31:15,360 --> 00:31:19,360 Speaker 1: whether that's connection to people, connection to our spiritual side, 585 00:31:19,400 --> 00:31:23,080 Speaker 1: connection to ourselves. Like connection is what everybody is really 586 00:31:23,120 --> 00:31:26,640 Speaker 1: looking for. If we didn't have a lack of connection. 587 00:31:26,760 --> 00:31:30,120 Speaker 1: We would not have an issue with addiction in our country, 588 00:31:30,520 --> 00:31:33,640 Speaker 1: our world, Like addiction is a product of a lack 589 00:31:33,680 --> 00:31:37,240 Speaker 1: of a connection. Connection, that's what that is. And so 590 00:31:37,480 --> 00:31:39,720 Speaker 1: if you can have a space and you have the 591 00:31:39,760 --> 00:31:44,440 Speaker 1: opportunity to experience a space where connection is literally you're 592 00:31:44,440 --> 00:31:48,800 Speaker 1: surrounded by opportunities to connect, do that. So like one 593 00:31:48,840 --> 00:31:51,840 Speaker 1: day I'll go do that. You don't have to go 594 00:31:51,880 --> 00:31:53,720 Speaker 1: on one of these emissions. You could just go outside 595 00:31:53,760 --> 00:31:57,200 Speaker 1: and walk. It's very like you can't go on a hike. 596 00:31:57,360 --> 00:32:00,280 Speaker 1: You can notice the trees outside, you can look round, 597 00:32:00,320 --> 00:32:02,520 Speaker 1: you can like feel the ground. You can put your 598 00:32:02,520 --> 00:32:07,720 Speaker 1: phone down for an hour. Intentional time outside does wonders 599 00:32:07,760 --> 00:32:13,240 Speaker 1: for our brain. Just google health benefits of being outside. 600 00:32:13,280 --> 00:32:14,920 Speaker 1: Do you want me to google it now? You cannot? 601 00:32:15,120 --> 00:32:16,880 Speaker 1: Thousands will come up because you know I've done it 602 00:32:16,920 --> 00:32:20,440 Speaker 1: a gazillion times. Disclaimer, I really love to harp on 603 00:32:20,480 --> 00:32:24,000 Speaker 1: how we can't just google everything like I know you 604 00:32:25,000 --> 00:32:27,920 Speaker 1: so this is not a trusted source, right, We'll find 605 00:32:27,920 --> 00:32:29,760 Speaker 1: some treads and sorce. But the first thing that comes 606 00:32:29,760 --> 00:32:32,200 Speaker 1: out up is sitting outside can reduce blood pressure, lower 607 00:32:32,240 --> 00:32:36,240 Speaker 1: heart rate, and decrease cortisol levels. When our bodies are outside, 608 00:32:36,240 --> 00:32:39,120 Speaker 1: our body slows down. It helps us feel peaceful and calm. Okay, 609 00:32:39,160 --> 00:32:42,920 Speaker 1: so without even knowing what the sources, we're not going 610 00:32:43,120 --> 00:32:45,720 Speaker 1: to cite this because it's just from I'll be my 611 00:32:45,760 --> 00:32:48,560 Speaker 1: own sources. But okay, because you would agree with this. 612 00:32:48,680 --> 00:32:53,120 Speaker 1: What this is saying is going outside, feeling what the elements. 613 00:32:53,560 --> 00:32:56,640 Speaker 1: It decreases cortisol, lowers your stress level. So it's taking 614 00:32:56,720 --> 00:33:00,320 Speaker 1: all of those things that get flooded into our addie 615 00:33:00,320 --> 00:33:04,200 Speaker 1: when we're experiencing a type any kind of trauma. It's 616 00:33:04,240 --> 00:33:07,440 Speaker 1: helping us discharge some of that. Yes, if you look 617 00:33:07,520 --> 00:33:11,720 Speaker 1: up anything by Gregory Brettman Stanford, I mean like it's overwhelming. 618 00:33:12,040 --> 00:33:15,560 Speaker 1: Look up shinnering yoku. That's Japanese for forest bathing. The 619 00:33:15,640 --> 00:33:18,920 Speaker 1: research of when someone sits outside in a forest setting, 620 00:33:18,960 --> 00:33:21,400 Speaker 1: in a green space setting for just fifteen minutes a day, 621 00:33:21,520 --> 00:33:24,680 Speaker 1: Like you said, their blood pressure decreases, their cores, all 622 00:33:24,760 --> 00:33:30,160 Speaker 1: levels decrease, they have a more heightened sense of self creativity. 623 00:33:30,560 --> 00:33:33,280 Speaker 1: It's staggering, like why are we not doing that? Though? 624 00:33:33,480 --> 00:33:35,640 Speaker 1: That's a whole other story. Well, okay, we'll go down 625 00:33:35,680 --> 00:33:38,360 Speaker 1: the road in two thousand and eight. I believe it 626 00:33:39,520 --> 00:33:44,640 Speaker 1: eight Homo sapiens became a predominantly more urbanized species, so 627 00:33:44,760 --> 00:33:47,720 Speaker 1: up into the two eight we naturally lived in a 628 00:33:47,720 --> 00:33:50,440 Speaker 1: more rural setting. But now more people live in an 629 00:33:50,560 --> 00:33:54,120 Speaker 1: urban setting, so connection to nature and green space and 630 00:33:54,120 --> 00:33:56,160 Speaker 1: getting outside is more difficult than it's ever been in 631 00:33:56,200 --> 00:33:59,120 Speaker 1: by TeV, I don't know that the stats off the 632 00:33:59,160 --> 00:34:02,320 Speaker 1: top of my head, it's something sixty humans were living 633 00:34:02,440 --> 00:34:04,520 Speaker 1: in urban setting. You can look down, one up, but 634 00:34:05,120 --> 00:34:08,160 Speaker 1: it's becoming more and more distant. But the good news 635 00:34:08,239 --> 00:34:12,040 Speaker 1: is there's more research dumping into why we need to 636 00:34:12,080 --> 00:34:14,600 Speaker 1: be outside, why we need to go outside, and their cities. 637 00:34:14,640 --> 00:34:17,000 Speaker 1: I mean, if you just look around Nashville, go to 638 00:34:17,400 --> 00:34:20,239 Speaker 1: downtown Chicago, there are so much green space in cities now. 639 00:34:20,640 --> 00:34:25,520 Speaker 1: Every major hospital, if you walk through it, there's plants, nature, scenery, 640 00:34:25,800 --> 00:34:29,880 Speaker 1: the sounds, floor life. It's it's so coming with a 641 00:34:30,160 --> 00:34:33,800 Speaker 1: real huge trendy thing. And you know what, they're cute 642 00:34:33,800 --> 00:34:35,520 Speaker 1: and I have a lot of them in my house too, 643 00:34:35,680 --> 00:34:38,520 Speaker 1: But that's that should be a reason why they're they're 644 00:34:38,520 --> 00:34:41,440 Speaker 1: getting more popular, not because they're cute and trendy and 645 00:34:41,480 --> 00:34:44,000 Speaker 1: cool they make a cool Instagram picture, but because it 646 00:34:44,160 --> 00:34:48,319 Speaker 1: actually helps you connect more, right, Yeah, And The cool 647 00:34:48,400 --> 00:34:51,160 Speaker 1: thing about the outdoors is I love how God did this. 648 00:34:51,480 --> 00:34:53,800 Speaker 1: I don't have to really understand exactly how it works 649 00:34:54,520 --> 00:34:58,080 Speaker 1: or even believe that it works. But pet Skins F 650 00:34:58,239 --> 00:35:01,279 Speaker 1: m r S Science Show is that it helps our 651 00:35:01,360 --> 00:35:03,680 Speaker 1: brain and we need it. But the trick is not 652 00:35:03,760 --> 00:35:05,759 Speaker 1: the trick. The key is it has to be intentional. 653 00:35:06,280 --> 00:35:09,080 Speaker 1: You can't be sitting outside scrolling your social media, you 654 00:35:09,080 --> 00:35:10,400 Speaker 1: can't have your phone in front of you have to 655 00:35:10,400 --> 00:35:15,000 Speaker 1: turn the screen off and literally be intentional outside. Some 656 00:35:15,040 --> 00:35:17,840 Speaker 1: people are probably like, why are they talking about nature 657 00:35:18,120 --> 00:35:20,720 Speaker 1: a venture therapy because they often go hand in hand. 658 00:35:21,120 --> 00:35:23,719 Speaker 1: You know, adventure therapy often occurs outside, but it can 659 00:35:23,719 --> 00:35:26,040 Speaker 1: still be done in an office setting. It's just it's 660 00:35:26,080 --> 00:35:28,759 Speaker 1: an it's an element of it regardless, and it's a 661 00:35:28,920 --> 00:35:32,000 Speaker 1: very important element of it. And it is I mean, 662 00:35:32,280 --> 00:35:34,239 Speaker 1: we have now have this running joke going through this 663 00:35:34,280 --> 00:35:38,480 Speaker 1: episode of like cat not being out outdoors. There's a difference. 664 00:35:38,600 --> 00:35:40,000 Speaker 1: And I do want to say, because there's plenty of 665 00:35:40,000 --> 00:35:41,760 Speaker 1: people that are probably listening to mean like, I don't 666 00:35:41,800 --> 00:35:44,560 Speaker 1: like you don't have to be don't just like bugs, 667 00:35:44,560 --> 00:35:46,879 Speaker 1: and I don't I'm not a hiking you don't that's 668 00:35:46,880 --> 00:35:49,719 Speaker 1: not what we're talking about. No, I'm talking about like 669 00:35:49,880 --> 00:35:53,640 Speaker 1: open your front door and stand outside for like five seconds, 670 00:35:53,719 --> 00:35:56,960 Speaker 1: like feel the sun. Like we don't. You don't have 671 00:35:57,080 --> 00:36:02,240 Speaker 1: to go to Megan's wilderness therapy. You can and that's awesome, 672 00:36:02,600 --> 00:36:04,520 Speaker 1: but that's not how to do that everybody's going to 673 00:36:04,640 --> 00:36:07,640 Speaker 1: be able to or or that might seem too much. 674 00:36:08,280 --> 00:36:11,680 Speaker 1: So go on a walk, Like everybody can go in 675 00:36:11,719 --> 00:36:13,440 Speaker 1: to walk. Not everybody can go and walk. But if 676 00:36:13,440 --> 00:36:14,800 Speaker 1: you're able to go on a walk, go on a 677 00:36:14,880 --> 00:36:19,920 Speaker 1: walk like that to min garden. Yes, go an herb, Yeah, 678 00:36:20,360 --> 00:36:23,680 Speaker 1: learn how to cook with rosemary, all those things natural 679 00:36:23,760 --> 00:36:27,000 Speaker 1: Like yes, I mean it's fascinating, But have you looked 680 00:36:27,040 --> 00:36:32,080 Speaker 1: up research in recentivism rates in prison systems and when 681 00:36:32,120 --> 00:36:34,719 Speaker 1: they bring nature animals is one thing. Well, when they 682 00:36:34,719 --> 00:36:39,080 Speaker 1: bring horticultural therapy into it, bird sounds and natural sounds 683 00:36:39,239 --> 00:36:42,800 Speaker 1: over the p A system, it is unbelievable. Really. Yeah, 684 00:36:43,080 --> 00:36:45,080 Speaker 1: I'm sure there's some wonderful documentary out there on I 685 00:36:45,080 --> 00:36:47,399 Speaker 1: just don't know what it's called. I'm gonna look it up. Yeah, 686 00:36:47,400 --> 00:36:55,680 Speaker 1: there's a lot of research on it. It's fascinating. I'm 687 00:36:55,719 --> 00:36:58,880 Speaker 1: glad we went down that because we're talking about some 688 00:36:59,360 --> 00:37:02,160 Speaker 1: adventure thing if you guys might not all be ever 689 00:37:02,200 --> 00:37:03,799 Speaker 1: in a place where you're going to go do that, 690 00:37:03,920 --> 00:37:07,640 Speaker 1: or you maybe you will, maybe you won't. But everybody 691 00:37:07,719 --> 00:37:12,640 Speaker 1: can go feel the earth. Everybody can do that, and 692 00:37:12,960 --> 00:37:16,120 Speaker 1: there's benefit to that, just as much as there's a 693 00:37:16,160 --> 00:37:19,120 Speaker 1: benefit to these team building games or total the leap 694 00:37:19,160 --> 00:37:20,799 Speaker 1: of faith. This is something that you can do every 695 00:37:20,840 --> 00:37:23,879 Speaker 1: day for yourself. Yes, just be intentional about it. Yeah, 696 00:37:24,040 --> 00:37:26,239 Speaker 1: now before we run off time, I do. And it's 697 00:37:26,239 --> 00:37:28,120 Speaker 1: okay if you need to think on this. I want 698 00:37:28,120 --> 00:37:30,760 Speaker 1: to know if there's a story of a of a 699 00:37:30,800 --> 00:37:34,280 Speaker 1: client or a day or some experience that you've had, 700 00:37:34,320 --> 00:37:38,640 Speaker 1: like some of your most memorable moments. I'm gonna think 701 00:37:38,640 --> 00:37:40,759 Speaker 1: of mind too well. The first story for me that 702 00:37:40,800 --> 00:37:43,440 Speaker 1: comes to mind is there was a client and this 703 00:37:43,520 --> 00:37:46,760 Speaker 1: might seem a little obvious, but they had significant fear 704 00:37:46,960 --> 00:37:50,200 Speaker 1: of water because they'd almost drown when they were a child, 705 00:37:50,360 --> 00:37:54,520 Speaker 1: and so going on the water was their absolute terror. 706 00:37:54,880 --> 00:38:00,680 Speaker 1: And witnessing and being able to walk alongside them literally 707 00:38:00,719 --> 00:38:03,239 Speaker 1: down to the water and being alongside them in the 708 00:38:03,280 --> 00:38:06,480 Speaker 1: boat with them and just holding space and co railing 709 00:38:06,560 --> 00:38:09,520 Speaker 1: with them for them to see that the thing that 710 00:38:09,640 --> 00:38:13,040 Speaker 1: was the most scariest in the world to them, they 711 00:38:13,040 --> 00:38:15,600 Speaker 1: were able to enjoy it. It was a royal closer 712 00:38:15,640 --> 00:38:17,360 Speaker 1: of emotion. As you can imagine, a lot of stuff 713 00:38:17,400 --> 00:38:23,080 Speaker 1: came up, but seeing them just be released from fear. 714 00:38:23,160 --> 00:38:25,640 Speaker 1: I don't want to put on bad this. This is 715 00:38:25,640 --> 00:38:27,239 Speaker 1: where I struggle. I can't put to words when I 716 00:38:27,280 --> 00:38:29,400 Speaker 1: get through experience or see in front of me because 717 00:38:29,400 --> 00:38:31,399 Speaker 1: I just get to feel it. So it's it's hard 718 00:38:31,400 --> 00:38:32,759 Speaker 1: for me to put to words what I feel, which 719 00:38:32,800 --> 00:38:36,080 Speaker 1: is kind of funny as a therapist. That's the point though, 720 00:38:36,120 --> 00:38:39,600 Speaker 1: that's the point of like, there's the healing that happens 721 00:38:39,640 --> 00:38:43,080 Speaker 1: in these kinds of spaces. Isn't about what somebody said. 722 00:38:43,760 --> 00:38:46,319 Speaker 1: It's not about what somebody said what they experienced. It's 723 00:38:46,320 --> 00:38:50,640 Speaker 1: about what what they're feeling and what they what they're experiencing. 724 00:38:50,640 --> 00:38:53,560 Speaker 1: And so you get to watch somebody. They might not 725 00:38:53,680 --> 00:38:56,560 Speaker 1: say anything, but you get to watch somebody go from 726 00:38:56,560 --> 00:39:01,839 Speaker 1: petrified out of my mind to calm or right and 727 00:39:02,040 --> 00:39:06,399 Speaker 1: joyful or whatever. You get to watch that healthy sense 728 00:39:06,440 --> 00:39:08,799 Speaker 1: of pride. Yeah. Yeah, the other one that comes up, 729 00:39:09,000 --> 00:39:10,680 Speaker 1: This just came to mind. I just I can still 730 00:39:10,680 --> 00:39:12,640 Speaker 1: see this image you and I are somewhere and that 731 00:39:12,719 --> 00:39:15,000 Speaker 1: we have images that just kind of flashed in front 732 00:39:15,040 --> 00:39:17,640 Speaker 1: of us. You know. I was taking a group of 733 00:39:17,719 --> 00:39:20,879 Speaker 1: kids in Virginia backpacking and it was just a one night. 734 00:39:20,880 --> 00:39:23,080 Speaker 1: It was an overnight. And even if you don't want 735 00:39:23,080 --> 00:39:24,640 Speaker 1: to do an overnight because that seems like too much, 736 00:39:24,680 --> 00:39:27,600 Speaker 1: you can just do it a day hike. But this kid, 737 00:39:28,200 --> 00:39:32,280 Speaker 1: he had some significant anger issues rightfully, so was dealta 738 00:39:32,360 --> 00:39:34,919 Speaker 1: pretty pretty hard hand. It was a group of eight 739 00:39:34,960 --> 00:39:37,880 Speaker 1: students and myself and another facilitator, and it was just 740 00:39:38,320 --> 00:39:41,279 Speaker 1: horrendous downpour and it was so cold. I mean, it 741 00:39:41,320 --> 00:39:43,040 Speaker 1: was miserable. It takes a lot for me to say 742 00:39:43,040 --> 00:39:44,839 Speaker 1: it was miserable. It was miserable. And we were in 743 00:39:44,880 --> 00:39:46,880 Speaker 1: the Blue Ridge Mountains and he sat down on the 744 00:39:46,880 --> 00:39:49,680 Speaker 1: trail and that was it. He was not moving. He 745 00:39:49,719 --> 00:39:52,360 Speaker 1: was not gonna take another step forward. Well, the issue 746 00:39:52,440 --> 00:39:54,560 Speaker 1: is that we have to get from point A point 747 00:39:54,600 --> 00:39:57,319 Speaker 1: B to be picked up, and there's eight, you know, 748 00:39:57,360 --> 00:39:59,880 Speaker 1: seven other students, so we have to move. Yeah, we 749 00:39:59,880 --> 00:40:01,920 Speaker 1: got move. We gotta keep going. And he took his 750 00:40:01,920 --> 00:40:04,040 Speaker 1: pack off and that was it. And so I remember 751 00:40:04,080 --> 00:40:06,439 Speaker 1: walking back and saying next to him, instead of telling 752 00:40:06,480 --> 00:40:08,799 Speaker 1: him what to do, I want to de validate him, 753 00:40:08,840 --> 00:40:12,439 Speaker 1: give him, give him the choice he got to make, 754 00:40:12,480 --> 00:40:14,600 Speaker 1: he got to decide if he moves forward or not. 755 00:40:15,120 --> 00:40:17,600 Speaker 1: And I just said some of alonglines of you know you, 756 00:40:17,600 --> 00:40:20,000 Speaker 1: you don't have to keep walking. You can sit here, 757 00:40:20,719 --> 00:40:22,399 Speaker 1: and as long as you sit here, I'm gonna sit 758 00:40:22,400 --> 00:40:25,440 Speaker 1: next to you. And that was it, And it gave 759 00:40:26,440 --> 00:40:30,680 Speaker 1: that beautiful child the chance to say, you know what, 760 00:40:30,880 --> 00:40:34,080 Speaker 1: this is my life and I'm gonna keep moving forward, 761 00:40:34,560 --> 00:40:36,120 Speaker 1: and I'm gonna be with my friends and I'm gonna 762 00:40:36,120 --> 00:40:40,600 Speaker 1: going and I'm gonna keep going, and seeing him let 763 00:40:40,640 --> 00:40:43,200 Speaker 1: go of some of his anger. But yeah, because what 764 00:40:43,239 --> 00:40:46,279 Speaker 1: you're talking about is, let's say that one of the 765 00:40:46,360 --> 00:40:49,319 Speaker 1: things that subconsciously you might be struggling with due to 766 00:40:49,360 --> 00:40:52,040 Speaker 1: your own story and your experience and your trauma is 767 00:40:52,080 --> 00:40:54,680 Speaker 1: the lack of of having a choice at some point 768 00:40:55,000 --> 00:40:58,320 Speaker 1: that can manifest him so many different ways, Which is 769 00:40:58,320 --> 00:41:01,120 Speaker 1: a side note of why I get annoyed with which 770 00:41:01,120 --> 00:41:03,360 Speaker 1: I've been talking about a lot on the podcast and 771 00:41:03,360 --> 00:41:06,160 Speaker 1: social media about. I get annoyed about how social media 772 00:41:06,200 --> 00:41:08,759 Speaker 1: and people out there can really water down trauma and 773 00:41:08,960 --> 00:41:10,960 Speaker 1: tell you that like because you do this, this, you 774 00:41:11,000 --> 00:41:13,040 Speaker 1: do this. That's one of the reasons why that annoys 775 00:41:13,080 --> 00:41:16,760 Speaker 1: means because your experience can manifest in different ways depending 776 00:41:16,760 --> 00:41:20,400 Speaker 1: on your temperament and all of that so individualized. So 777 00:41:21,120 --> 00:41:23,520 Speaker 1: let's say that not having choice was a part of 778 00:41:23,600 --> 00:41:27,240 Speaker 1: your your story and manifests in different ways. Okay, So 779 00:41:27,480 --> 00:41:30,719 Speaker 1: what I'm imagining happening in that moment is a lot 780 00:41:30,760 --> 00:41:34,799 Speaker 1: of times there's some rebellion to authority because I'm not 781 00:41:34,840 --> 00:41:37,200 Speaker 1: having a choice, and so it's like, I'm going I 782 00:41:37,680 --> 00:41:40,560 Speaker 1: feel like I have to I have to assert my 783 00:41:40,680 --> 00:41:44,960 Speaker 1: power in a certain way to maintain safety and protect myself. 784 00:41:45,760 --> 00:41:48,240 Speaker 1: And even if somebody is asking you to do something 785 00:41:48,239 --> 00:41:49,839 Speaker 1: that you might want to do or you don't really 786 00:41:49,840 --> 00:41:52,040 Speaker 1: have a problem with you, your body and your mind 787 00:41:52,080 --> 00:41:56,399 Speaker 1: creates issues with that out of that protection. So where 788 00:41:56,480 --> 00:41:59,440 Speaker 1: you're sitting with him, he probably does the sense of 789 00:41:59,520 --> 00:42:01,440 Speaker 1: him it's yeah, I want to be with my people, 790 00:42:01,520 --> 00:42:04,239 Speaker 1: I want to finish this. I want But because it 791 00:42:04,280 --> 00:42:07,879 Speaker 1: feels like he has to, then there becomes that part 792 00:42:07,880 --> 00:42:11,239 Speaker 1: of him that wants to pull away. And what you 793 00:42:11,280 --> 00:42:13,239 Speaker 1: did when you sat with him, instead of sitting there 794 00:42:13,280 --> 00:42:15,759 Speaker 1: and being like giving him all of the reasons why 795 00:42:15,800 --> 00:42:19,360 Speaker 1: he should go or all of the things that he 796 00:42:19,440 --> 00:42:21,759 Speaker 1: should do or instead of trying to change his mind, 797 00:42:21,800 --> 00:42:24,360 Speaker 1: you're saying, I'm gonna wait with you until you decide 798 00:42:24,360 --> 00:42:27,920 Speaker 1: what you want to do. And so it's now opening 799 00:42:28,000 --> 00:42:31,000 Speaker 1: up that idea that like, I get to choose something, 800 00:42:31,000 --> 00:42:33,720 Speaker 1: and yeah, that's what everybody else is doing, but I'm 801 00:42:33,800 --> 00:42:36,400 Speaker 1: choosing to do it. I'm not doing it because what 802 00:42:36,440 --> 00:42:38,879 Speaker 1: everybo else is doing, not doing it because somebody told 803 00:42:38,880 --> 00:42:40,960 Speaker 1: me to. I'm doing it because I have a clear 804 00:42:41,000 --> 00:42:43,400 Speaker 1: picture of what's ahead of me, and I am choosing 805 00:42:43,440 --> 00:42:47,719 Speaker 1: that that makes sense, perfect sense. I just think that's 806 00:42:47,760 --> 00:42:49,880 Speaker 1: cool and I think that like, which is also the 807 00:42:49,880 --> 00:42:52,040 Speaker 1: theme of venture therapy. Not to cut you off, but 808 00:42:52,440 --> 00:42:55,120 Speaker 1: that's the theme of venture therapy. It's the power of 809 00:42:55,160 --> 00:42:58,600 Speaker 1: your choice. You get to choose if you participate or not. 810 00:42:58,800 --> 00:43:04,160 Speaker 1: That brings up a lot of memories people just not 811 00:43:04,200 --> 00:43:08,200 Speaker 1: wanting to do stuff and like, to be honest, humans 812 00:43:08,200 --> 00:43:13,000 Speaker 1: are beautiful people. I love people. Just put that out 813 00:43:13,040 --> 00:43:16,600 Speaker 1: there before I say this. But some of the clients 814 00:43:16,640 --> 00:43:20,399 Speaker 1: we worked with, not their fault, not their fault. We're 815 00:43:20,520 --> 00:43:27,319 Speaker 1: real assholes. They could be mean, they could be but people, yes, 816 00:43:28,440 --> 00:43:34,200 Speaker 1: beautiful people and they were the people that a little 817 00:43:34,200 --> 00:43:36,600 Speaker 1: bit and so yeah, I say that, I don't want 818 00:43:36,600 --> 00:43:41,439 Speaker 1: anybody hear me saying something negative about traumatized humans. With 819 00:43:41,480 --> 00:43:44,799 Speaker 1: that being said, people did not want to participate in 820 00:43:44,800 --> 00:43:47,040 Speaker 1: something like we're talking about all of the good parts 821 00:43:47,080 --> 00:43:50,000 Speaker 1: of people's favorite days and blah blah blah. Some people 822 00:43:50,080 --> 00:43:53,879 Speaker 1: dreaded it and thought everything we did was dumb. Gave 823 00:43:53,960 --> 00:43:57,440 Speaker 1: us the middle finger. Oh yeah, and like especially ran away. 824 00:43:58,239 --> 00:44:01,040 Speaker 1: It's running away the middle of Oh my god. But 825 00:44:01,160 --> 00:44:03,839 Speaker 1: like also like in the middle of a game that's 826 00:44:03,880 --> 00:44:06,520 Speaker 1: so silly to some people, in the middle of a 827 00:44:06,560 --> 00:44:08,640 Speaker 1: game that's a simple game. What was it called the 828 00:44:08,680 --> 00:44:11,759 Speaker 1: twelve step block or with with the blocks? So there's 829 00:44:11,760 --> 00:44:14,920 Speaker 1: just there's so there's one in a ship where you 830 00:44:15,000 --> 00:44:17,560 Speaker 1: have these like wood planks, and I'm not going to 831 00:44:17,600 --> 00:44:19,759 Speaker 1: explain the whole game, but it's really difficult and you 832 00:44:20,120 --> 00:44:21,759 Speaker 1: have to find a way to get your team from 833 00:44:21,760 --> 00:44:24,080 Speaker 1: one side to the other without touching the ground, without 834 00:44:24,080 --> 00:44:28,400 Speaker 1: breaking certain what rules, and there's things that you do 835 00:44:28,440 --> 00:44:29,800 Speaker 1: in the middle of the game that make it harder 836 00:44:29,800 --> 00:44:33,800 Speaker 1: when they mess up. Yeah, it was the worst. I remember, 837 00:44:33,880 --> 00:44:36,960 Speaker 1: like it was making me you were Elaina, But like 838 00:44:37,080 --> 00:44:39,920 Speaker 1: whenever we had to remove a block from somebody, I 839 00:44:39,960 --> 00:44:41,680 Speaker 1: remember being like, you do it this time, You do 840 00:44:41,760 --> 00:44:45,680 Speaker 1: it this time because people would get piste and yell 841 00:44:45,760 --> 00:44:47,480 Speaker 1: at you and tell you that you're dumb and you're 842 00:44:47,520 --> 00:44:49,680 Speaker 1: stupid and bla bla blah blah blah blah, and you know, 843 00:44:49,680 --> 00:44:51,160 Speaker 1: it's all part of the process. And then you get 844 00:44:51,200 --> 00:44:54,239 Speaker 1: to talk about what happened, what was brought up, like 845 00:44:54,280 --> 00:44:56,359 Speaker 1: what did that remind you? Of? What did that feel? Like? 846 00:44:56,480 --> 00:44:59,359 Speaker 1: How old did you feel when I took that from you? 847 00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:01,960 Speaker 1: Felt like I was eight years old? What happened when 848 00:45:02,000 --> 00:45:03,680 Speaker 1: you were eight? And then all of a sudden, there's 849 00:45:03,719 --> 00:45:07,359 Speaker 1: like tears and it's like, oh, so what happened is 850 00:45:08,000 --> 00:45:11,200 Speaker 1: since you were eight, your nervous systident has been locked 851 00:45:11,600 --> 00:45:14,960 Speaker 1: in this one area because you haven't processed what really happened. 852 00:45:15,280 --> 00:45:17,880 Speaker 1: And then all of a sudden, that reminded you of 853 00:45:17,920 --> 00:45:20,880 Speaker 1: that experience and it got turned on. You responded to 854 00:45:20,920 --> 00:45:23,480 Speaker 1: protect yourself, but you actually didn't need to protect yourself 855 00:45:23,520 --> 00:45:26,160 Speaker 1: because right now you're safe. You see where I'm going 856 00:45:26,160 --> 00:45:30,040 Speaker 1: with that, Like so freaking cool. So everyone thinks it's 857 00:45:30,080 --> 00:45:33,160 Speaker 1: all fun and games being an adventure therapist, and it is, 858 00:45:33,760 --> 00:45:37,720 Speaker 1: and it really is. It's all the more to Okay, 859 00:45:37,760 --> 00:45:40,560 Speaker 1: So now that we've kind of explained the adventure there, 860 00:45:40,600 --> 00:45:43,600 Speaker 1: you talked about it and described kind of what what 861 00:45:43,719 --> 00:45:46,560 Speaker 1: can be done and what it looks like. I want 862 00:45:46,600 --> 00:45:50,880 Speaker 1: to also talk about quickly who this can be for, 863 00:45:51,080 --> 00:45:53,240 Speaker 1: because I think what we've been talking a lot about 864 00:45:53,520 --> 00:45:57,200 Speaker 1: is the experience that we've had working in a treatment 865 00:45:57,239 --> 00:46:01,200 Speaker 1: center setting. But adventure therapy also, like we were talking 866 00:46:01,200 --> 00:46:04,279 Speaker 1: about when it comes to just going outside, can be 867 00:46:04,400 --> 00:46:07,520 Speaker 1: for anybody. So can you talk a little bit about, 868 00:46:07,640 --> 00:46:12,600 Speaker 1: like one, who really is this for and to how 869 00:46:12,600 --> 00:46:15,560 Speaker 1: do people even access this and who does this stuff? 870 00:46:15,680 --> 00:46:18,879 Speaker 1: Adventure therapy is for anyone that wants to learn more 871 00:46:18,880 --> 00:46:22,080 Speaker 1: about themselves, maybe learn some tools they can use in 872 00:46:22,120 --> 00:46:24,719 Speaker 1: their everyday life. It does not have to be for 873 00:46:24,760 --> 00:46:28,160 Speaker 1: people who are in counseling already or who are in treatment. 874 00:46:28,640 --> 00:46:33,520 Speaker 1: It can be for the everyday, normal, high functioning, resilient 875 00:46:33,600 --> 00:46:37,319 Speaker 1: human being who wants to improve their communication skills within 876 00:46:37,320 --> 00:46:40,960 Speaker 1: the relationships um. It can be for folks who want 877 00:46:40,960 --> 00:46:43,839 Speaker 1: to challenge, who are bored and need to get a 878 00:46:43,840 --> 00:46:49,439 Speaker 1: little woken up in their everyday life to just the yeah, 879 00:46:49,480 --> 00:46:51,920 Speaker 1: you could be asleep to what's not working for you 880 00:46:52,000 --> 00:46:55,359 Speaker 1: in your life and what these experiences will do will 881 00:46:55,400 --> 00:46:59,719 Speaker 1: wake you up because of the metaphor, because of the 882 00:46:59,719 --> 00:47:03,000 Speaker 1: feeling things that might pop up while you're doing something 883 00:47:03,040 --> 00:47:07,480 Speaker 1: that you actually might not really care about this activity 884 00:47:07,680 --> 00:47:09,960 Speaker 1: in the grand scheme of life. Well, why is that 885 00:47:10,000 --> 00:47:13,600 Speaker 1: feeling popping up then? Because what is it touching? So 886 00:47:13,719 --> 00:47:16,160 Speaker 1: it's a great way to be woken up to what 887 00:47:16,320 --> 00:47:20,319 Speaker 1: actually is not working in your life because aware it's very, 888 00:47:20,440 --> 00:47:26,040 Speaker 1: very easy to fall asleep to issues in our world 889 00:47:26,080 --> 00:47:30,640 Speaker 1: because our world is so set up to distract us. 890 00:47:31,520 --> 00:47:35,080 Speaker 1: People make so much money off of distracting you from 891 00:47:35,080 --> 00:47:38,120 Speaker 1: your life. Our culture is set up to make money 892 00:47:38,280 --> 00:47:42,040 Speaker 1: from distracting you from actually being present, and so this 893 00:47:42,120 --> 00:47:45,840 Speaker 1: is a beautiful way to pull yourself back up. So 894 00:47:45,880 --> 00:47:50,200 Speaker 1: it's for everybody. Yeah, wonderful. Now, not everybody's community is 895 00:47:50,200 --> 00:47:53,320 Speaker 1: going to have adventure therapy. So if you want to 896 00:47:53,360 --> 00:47:56,520 Speaker 1: get involved like the stuff that you do, can anybody 897 00:47:56,560 --> 00:47:58,680 Speaker 1: go to those on those things or is it? Like? 898 00:47:58,840 --> 00:48:01,920 Speaker 1: So I do venture therapy in my own practice, you know, 899 00:48:02,040 --> 00:48:04,839 Speaker 1: as an addictions counselor um. There are other therapists that 900 00:48:04,920 --> 00:48:07,480 Speaker 1: they are trauma therapists, but they also do adventure therapy, 901 00:48:07,520 --> 00:48:10,719 Speaker 1: and so you can request an adventure therapy session. The 902 00:48:10,719 --> 00:48:13,560 Speaker 1: Adventures the programs I leave for on site. On Site 903 00:48:13,880 --> 00:48:18,960 Speaker 1: is a phenomenal organization. It's an emotional wellness retreat center 904 00:48:19,280 --> 00:48:23,120 Speaker 1: forty five minutes west of downtown Nashville, and we offer 905 00:48:23,440 --> 00:48:27,719 Speaker 1: many different types of workshops for either individual intensives or 906 00:48:27,760 --> 00:48:31,680 Speaker 1: families or couples. We have a residential long term program 907 00:48:31,680 --> 00:48:36,320 Speaker 1: called Milestones at on Site. It's an amazing, incredible trauma 908 00:48:36,440 --> 00:48:40,719 Speaker 1: therapy program for adults who need to um take a 909 00:48:40,719 --> 00:48:43,840 Speaker 1: break from their everyday life and really get down and 910 00:48:43,880 --> 00:48:46,160 Speaker 1: deep into what's going on inside. Oh my gosh, yes, 911 00:48:46,200 --> 00:48:48,240 Speaker 1: you just you just pulled it up on the website. 912 00:48:48,280 --> 00:48:51,960 Speaker 1: There's my big old smile. Yeah. And then on site Adventurers. 913 00:48:51,960 --> 00:48:54,800 Speaker 1: We do adventure therapy add on site in our individual 914 00:48:54,800 --> 00:48:57,560 Speaker 1: intensives and our workshops and also at Milestones. But then 915 00:48:57,600 --> 00:49:01,319 Speaker 1: we have our equine Therapy adventure which are done in 916 00:49:01,360 --> 00:49:04,040 Speaker 1: the back country of Montana, which as you know I 917 00:49:04,080 --> 00:49:07,560 Speaker 1: am very partial to. We do that every June, and 918 00:49:07,600 --> 00:49:11,520 Speaker 1: then we go to Colorado to an incredible dude ranch 919 00:49:11,880 --> 00:49:16,640 Speaker 1: called Lost Valley Ranch. It's gorgeous. Yes, it is coming up. Yeah, 920 00:49:16,680 --> 00:49:20,520 Speaker 1: there's one in October. There's one for couples in May 921 00:49:20,680 --> 00:49:23,480 Speaker 1: and it's an experience of a lifetime and that is 922 00:49:23,520 --> 00:49:26,600 Speaker 1: equal and therapy based both both those programs. So lots 923 00:49:26,640 --> 00:49:29,840 Speaker 1: of different resources, lots of different avenues. I'm very blessed 924 00:49:29,840 --> 00:49:32,200 Speaker 1: to be working at on site for sure. Okay, I 925 00:49:32,239 --> 00:49:34,719 Speaker 1: like want to go to this Colorado trip. You would 926 00:49:34,760 --> 00:49:38,080 Speaker 1: love Colorado, you would you would thrive, you would love 927 00:49:38,120 --> 00:49:41,000 Speaker 1: that as long as I don't have to. Um, you 928 00:49:41,040 --> 00:49:45,600 Speaker 1: have a cabin okay, don't want to sleep? Yes, yes, 929 00:49:46,080 --> 00:49:48,719 Speaker 1: that's you. Yeah, I was gonna say I don't want 930 00:49:48,719 --> 00:49:51,879 Speaker 1: to sleep in the town. Now, Montana's tent, primitive, It's 931 00:49:51,960 --> 00:49:55,839 Speaker 1: phenomenal Colorado. You have a fireplace, you're on front porch, 932 00:49:57,480 --> 00:50:03,640 Speaker 1: hot shower. I'm sliding up. Oh my gosh, please sign up, 933 00:50:03,840 --> 00:50:06,520 Speaker 1: but sign up as um a coe therapist would be 934 00:50:06,520 --> 00:50:09,719 Speaker 1: so fun. Is that an option? Well, now it's no, 935 00:50:09,800 --> 00:50:12,120 Speaker 1: it's probably not. Actually this this takes me back to 936 00:50:12,120 --> 00:50:14,800 Speaker 1: our first interview. No, you're not qualified because you're not 937 00:50:14,800 --> 00:50:17,719 Speaker 1: an equine therapist. But I'd love to have you as 938 00:50:17,719 --> 00:50:23,640 Speaker 1: a client. Let's just oh, cir cool, let's just go 939 00:50:23,719 --> 00:50:28,840 Speaker 1: as friends, all right, speaks to we're not going to 940 00:50:28,920 --> 00:50:30,600 Speaker 1: go on this tangent, but I'm gonna bring it up. 941 00:50:30,800 --> 00:50:33,400 Speaker 1: Staying in your lane is a therapist, Like, I'm not 942 00:50:33,440 --> 00:50:35,360 Speaker 1: an equine therapist, so I'm not going to pretend like 943 00:50:35,400 --> 00:50:37,920 Speaker 1: I am, and I'm not going to host an equine 944 00:50:38,280 --> 00:50:42,319 Speaker 1: therapy anything. I will definitely suggest people do it. Can 945 00:50:42,360 --> 00:50:44,400 Speaker 1: we do another podcast at equine therapycause we don't get 946 00:50:44,400 --> 00:50:47,000 Speaker 1: to talk about it at all. It's very important we will. 947 00:50:47,080 --> 00:50:49,120 Speaker 1: All right, Well, that kind of wraps it up, so one, 948 00:50:49,200 --> 00:50:51,839 Speaker 1: thank you. This is fun. This is so fun. This 949 00:50:52,000 --> 00:50:55,520 Speaker 1: was a nice episode because it really was just like 950 00:50:55,920 --> 00:50:58,719 Speaker 1: friends talking about things that they care about, Yeah, but 951 00:50:58,800 --> 00:51:02,480 Speaker 1: also talking about things that matter, that works, that help 952 00:51:02,520 --> 00:51:06,000 Speaker 1: people that we have experienced him. Yeah, it takes me back, 953 00:51:06,080 --> 00:51:09,239 Speaker 1: all right. Anyway, so thank you guys for listening. I'm 954 00:51:09,320 --> 00:51:12,800 Speaker 1: really sad to report this. But you can't find Megan anyway. 955 00:51:14,000 --> 00:51:16,279 Speaker 1: That's not true. You don't have social media, I mean 956 00:51:16,280 --> 00:51:19,200 Speaker 1: you Facebook. I don't want that. I do have a 957 00:51:19,239 --> 00:51:22,399 Speaker 1: private practice, but if they can always just so, how 958 00:51:22,480 --> 00:51:24,839 Speaker 1: could we'll know if they want to contact you. If 959 00:51:24,880 --> 00:51:27,759 Speaker 1: you want to work with Megan, then like, first of all, 960 00:51:28,000 --> 00:51:31,160 Speaker 1: do it. I honestly wish that. I don't really wish 961 00:51:31,160 --> 00:51:33,680 Speaker 1: this but I wish there was another you that was 962 00:51:33,760 --> 00:51:36,160 Speaker 1: exactly you that I didn't know that wasn't my friend, 963 00:51:36,280 --> 00:51:38,160 Speaker 1: so I could like do that stuff with you. That's 964 00:51:38,200 --> 00:51:40,880 Speaker 1: the best compliment ever. Thank you. I know what you're saying, 965 00:51:41,360 --> 00:51:44,080 Speaker 1: and vice ver a second, like it didn't make sense. No, no, 966 00:51:44,200 --> 00:51:47,160 Speaker 1: I know that's what you're saying. Actually, um so then 967 00:51:47,160 --> 00:51:49,560 Speaker 1: how can people find you? Um? They can email me. 968 00:51:49,719 --> 00:51:53,360 Speaker 1: It's the wind info at gmail dot com. The wind 969 00:51:53,600 --> 00:51:56,000 Speaker 1: um W I n D. That stands for wellness in 970 00:51:56,080 --> 00:51:59,160 Speaker 1: Nature's Domain. Yeah, my mom thought of that. Fancy. Yeah, 971 00:51:59,160 --> 00:52:02,440 Speaker 1: the wind info at gmail dot com. Okay, beautiful, And 972 00:52:02,600 --> 00:52:07,000 Speaker 1: you're in the Nashville area. It's important to note, but 973 00:52:07,120 --> 00:52:11,040 Speaker 1: I traveled to folks like if they are in Colorado 974 00:52:11,080 --> 00:52:13,160 Speaker 1: and they want to do uh So, if you're interested, 975 00:52:13,280 --> 00:52:15,759 Speaker 1: just email her because who knows what you could who 976 00:52:15,800 --> 00:52:18,719 Speaker 1: knows who knows what you could figure out? So thank 977 00:52:18,760 --> 00:52:22,000 Speaker 1: you for being here, thank you for being yourself, and 978 00:52:22,000 --> 00:52:24,000 Speaker 1: and I will talk to all of you guys on 979 00:52:24,040 --> 00:52:27,440 Speaker 1: Wednesday for couch talks. If you have questions, honestly, if 980 00:52:27,440 --> 00:52:29,920 Speaker 1: you have questions about any of the stuff, email them 981 00:52:29,920 --> 00:52:32,800 Speaker 1: to me. Catherine. You need therapy podcast dot com because 982 00:52:32,920 --> 00:52:34,839 Speaker 1: if there's a question that I can't answer that is 983 00:52:34,880 --> 00:52:38,120 Speaker 1: for you, then I'll just get you on a zoom 984 00:52:38,120 --> 00:52:40,440 Speaker 1: call and we'll answer it for you. Guys. Perfect, So 985 00:52:40,520 --> 00:52:42,800 Speaker 1: do that and I will talk to you guys on Wednesday. 986 00:52:43,360 --> 00:52:46,160 Speaker 1: Have the day you need to have. Love you by, 987 00:52:46,440 --> 00:52:46,839 Speaker 1: let me by