1 00:00:02,440 --> 00:00:11,080 Speaker 1: Bloomberg Audio Studios, podcasts, radio news. This is Bloomberg Day 2 00:00:11,119 --> 00:00:14,000 Speaker 1: Bake You podcast, available every morning on Apple, Spotify or 3 00:00:14,000 --> 00:00:17,439 Speaker 1: wherever you listen. It's Tuesday, the sixteenth of July in London. 4 00:00:17,560 --> 00:00:19,000 Speaker 1: I'm Caroline Hepcare and. 5 00:00:18,960 --> 00:00:22,120 Speaker 2: I'm Stephen Carroll. Coming up today. Donald Trump appears at 6 00:00:22,120 --> 00:00:26,840 Speaker 2: the Republican National Convention and selects Ohio Senator JD Vance 7 00:00:26,920 --> 00:00:27,960 Speaker 2: as his running mate. 8 00:00:28,040 --> 00:00:31,480 Speaker 1: President Biden seeks to justify his rhetoric if he looks 9 00:00:31,520 --> 00:00:35,240 Speaker 1: to stabilize his increasingly beleagued reelection campaign. 10 00:00:35,479 --> 00:00:38,880 Speaker 2: Plus, Jerome Powells has recent data is raising the Fed's 11 00:00:38,960 --> 00:00:42,360 Speaker 2: confidence that inflation is now on a path to two percent. 12 00:00:42,640 --> 00:00:44,680 Speaker 1: Let's start with a round up of our top stories. 13 00:00:44,920 --> 00:00:47,839 Speaker 2: Donald Trump has made his first public appearance after a 14 00:00:47,840 --> 00:00:52,839 Speaker 2: failed assassination attempt upended the US presidential contest. Walking on 15 00:00:52,920 --> 00:00:55,760 Speaker 2: stage to the Republican National Convention in Milwaukee with the 16 00:00:55,840 --> 00:01:00,000 Speaker 2: bandage over his right ear, Trump was greeted by chanting supporters. 17 00:01:09,160 --> 00:01:12,000 Speaker 2: The appearance came as Donald Trump named JD. Vance as 18 00:01:12,000 --> 00:01:16,040 Speaker 2: his running mate. The venture capitalist turned Ohio Senator's embrace 19 00:01:16,080 --> 00:01:19,720 Speaker 2: of populist politics has made him a rising star in 20 00:01:19,760 --> 00:01:22,880 Speaker 2: the party. Speaking to Fox News after the announcement, with 21 00:01:23,040 --> 00:01:25,560 Speaker 2: loud music in the background, Vance weighed in on the 22 00:01:25,560 --> 00:01:27,560 Speaker 2: pair's foreign policy objectives. 23 00:01:28,160 --> 00:01:29,440 Speaker 3: I think what President. 24 00:01:29,040 --> 00:01:32,320 Speaker 4: Trump has promised to do is go in there, negotiate 25 00:01:32,400 --> 00:01:35,480 Speaker 4: with the Russians Ukrainians, bring this thing to a rapid 26 00:01:35,520 --> 00:01:38,720 Speaker 4: close so that America can focus on the real issue, 27 00:01:38,840 --> 00:01:39,520 Speaker 4: which is China. 28 00:01:39,640 --> 00:01:40,640 Speaker 3: That's the biggest. 29 00:01:40,360 --> 00:01:43,400 Speaker 4: Record country, and we're completely distracted. 30 00:01:42,880 --> 00:01:43,360 Speaker 5: From the time. 31 00:01:44,000 --> 00:01:44,240 Speaker 6: JD. 32 00:01:44,319 --> 00:01:46,640 Speaker 2: Vance also told Fox that he believes the US can 33 00:01:46,720 --> 00:01:49,600 Speaker 2: be the main source of energy in the world. Vance 34 00:01:49,680 --> 00:01:52,280 Speaker 2: is nearly four decades younger than Trump, and the party 35 00:01:52,320 --> 00:01:56,440 Speaker 2: will hope his pick bolsters their appeal to white, working 36 00:01:56,480 --> 00:01:58,200 Speaker 2: class voters in swing States. 37 00:01:58,920 --> 00:02:03,240 Speaker 1: Research from the UBS shows that Donald Trump's full proposed 38 00:02:03,280 --> 00:02:07,720 Speaker 1: tariffs on Chinese imports could cut China's growth rate in half. 39 00:02:07,960 --> 00:02:09,959 Speaker 1: Bloomberg's team Adebayo has more. 40 00:02:11,000 --> 00:02:13,959 Speaker 6: Donald Trump is said to be considering a sixty percent 41 00:02:14,080 --> 00:02:18,399 Speaker 6: tariff on Chinese imports if he's elected in November. Economists 42 00:02:18,440 --> 00:02:21,320 Speaker 6: at UBS say that would slize two point five percentage 43 00:02:21,360 --> 00:02:24,960 Speaker 6: points from China's annual growth rate. That drag would come 44 00:02:24,960 --> 00:02:27,560 Speaker 6: from a drop in exports, but also a hit to 45 00:02:27,639 --> 00:02:31,919 Speaker 6: consumption and investment. The forecast is based on an assumption 46 00:02:32,000 --> 00:02:35,320 Speaker 6: that some trade would go to other countries, that China 47 00:02:35,400 --> 00:02:39,840 Speaker 6: doesn't retaliate, and that other countries don't join the US position. 48 00:02:40,560 --> 00:02:43,520 Speaker 6: Exports have been a strong driver of Chinese growth so 49 00:02:43,600 --> 00:02:46,920 Speaker 6: far this year, with the trade surplus hitting a record 50 00:02:47,000 --> 00:02:50,600 Speaker 6: last month, but that strength has also prompted complaints from 51 00:02:50,639 --> 00:02:54,480 Speaker 6: other countries who are considering how to respond. In London, 52 00:02:54,600 --> 00:02:56,440 Speaker 6: Tea at a Bayo Bloomberg. 53 00:02:56,040 --> 00:02:59,800 Speaker 2: Radio Elon Musks badging to give forty five million dollars 54 00:02:59,800 --> 00:03:02,920 Speaker 2: a month to a pro Trump political group. That's after 55 00:03:02,919 --> 00:03:05,840 Speaker 2: the Tesla owner publicly endorsed the former president in a 56 00:03:05,840 --> 00:03:09,360 Speaker 2: post on X last Saturday evening. The donation would flood 57 00:03:09,360 --> 00:03:12,760 Speaker 2: the Trump campaign with cash until November's election. But Bloomberg 58 00:03:12,800 --> 00:03:17,120 Speaker 2: BusinessWeek columnist Max Chafkin says the relationship benefits Musk too. 59 00:03:17,600 --> 00:03:20,120 Speaker 7: So Ewon Musk is I mean, of course, he is 60 00:03:20,200 --> 00:03:22,520 Speaker 7: known as an innovator, but he's also been a very 61 00:03:22,520 --> 00:03:26,280 Speaker 7: successful government contractor. You know, many of his businesses. Most 62 00:03:26,280 --> 00:03:29,760 Speaker 7: of much of his business depends on relationships with the government, 63 00:03:29,800 --> 00:03:33,240 Speaker 7: either in terms of direct contracts with SpaceX or Tesla. 64 00:03:33,240 --> 00:03:35,640 Speaker 7: Of course depends on these text credits and has for 65 00:03:36,000 --> 00:03:38,240 Speaker 7: the entirety of its existence, so you can sort of 66 00:03:38,240 --> 00:03:39,520 Speaker 7: see why he has an interest. 67 00:03:40,640 --> 00:03:44,320 Speaker 2: Bloomberg's Max Chaffkins speaking there. Crypto billionaires Cameron and Tyler 68 00:03:44,320 --> 00:03:48,000 Speaker 2: Winkelwasser also among the donors to America Pack, which is 69 00:03:48,080 --> 00:03:51,440 Speaker 2: working to get voters to the polls in November. According 70 00:03:51,440 --> 00:03:55,200 Speaker 2: to its most recent filing with the Federal Election Commissioned, 71 00:03:55,200 --> 00:03:58,040 Speaker 2: the group started July with less than a million dollars 72 00:03:58,080 --> 00:03:59,280 Speaker 2: in cash. 73 00:03:59,680 --> 00:04:02,640 Speaker 1: With the focus now on a resurgent Republican bid for 74 00:04:02,720 --> 00:04:05,440 Speaker 1: the White House, President Biden has been forced to respond 75 00:04:05,680 --> 00:04:09,960 Speaker 1: to Republican accusations over his role in raising the political rhetoric. 76 00:04:10,720 --> 00:04:15,000 Speaker 1: In a primetime NBC interview, Biden defended his suggestion that 77 00:04:15,040 --> 00:04:17,880 Speaker 1: Donald Trump should be quote put in the bullseye. 78 00:04:18,279 --> 00:04:20,000 Speaker 8: The truth of the matter was, well, I guess I 79 00:04:20,040 --> 00:04:23,400 Speaker 8: was talking about as a time was there's very little 80 00:04:23,400 --> 00:04:24,640 Speaker 8: focus on Trumps. 81 00:04:25,880 --> 00:04:28,440 Speaker 3: Yeah, the term bullseye was. 82 00:04:28,760 --> 00:04:32,000 Speaker 8: A mistake to I didn't say cross here is bullse 83 00:04:32,040 --> 00:04:34,960 Speaker 8: I know, focus on him, focus on what he's doing, 84 00:04:35,680 --> 00:04:40,000 Speaker 8: focus on on as policies, focus on the number of 85 00:04:40,040 --> 00:04:41,400 Speaker 8: lies he told no debate. 86 00:04:42,480 --> 00:04:46,000 Speaker 1: Biden also told NBC's Lester Holt that he has no 87 00:04:46,160 --> 00:04:49,800 Speaker 1: plans to blunt his criticism of Trump, considering the stakes 88 00:04:49,880 --> 00:04:53,560 Speaker 1: in the November election. The interview was Biden's latest attempt 89 00:04:53,600 --> 00:04:56,760 Speaker 1: to stabilize his beleaguered re election bid at a pivotal 90 00:04:56,800 --> 00:05:01,320 Speaker 1: moment in the campaign. Democrats remain deeply split over Biden, 91 00:05:01,400 --> 00:05:05,480 Speaker 1: almost three weeks after his poor debate performance triggered panic 92 00:05:05,520 --> 00:05:09,200 Speaker 1: about his ability to fulfill another four year term. 93 00:05:09,360 --> 00:05:11,520 Speaker 2: One of the most beleaguered bond trades of the past 94 00:05:11,520 --> 00:05:13,960 Speaker 2: two years is getting new life thanks to the momentum 95 00:05:13,960 --> 00:05:17,560 Speaker 2: behind Donald Trump's presidential bid. Long term yields have come 96 00:05:17,680 --> 00:05:20,320 Speaker 2: under pressure because of Trump's plans for tax cuts and 97 00:05:20,400 --> 00:05:24,200 Speaker 2: higher tariffs, which traders calculate wild ignite inflation and worsen 98 00:05:24,360 --> 00:05:28,080 Speaker 2: US finances. The side effect of this is to reward 99 00:05:28,160 --> 00:05:31,000 Speaker 2: investors who've wagered that the bond market will return to 100 00:05:31,080 --> 00:05:34,880 Speaker 2: normal after an unusual stretch. When short term yields exceeded 101 00:05:34,920 --> 00:05:37,680 Speaker 2: those on longer term debt on Monday, in the wake 102 00:05:37,720 --> 00:05:40,400 Speaker 2: of the weekend's assassination attempt on Trump, the yield on 103 00:05:40,520 --> 00:05:43,599 Speaker 2: thirty year treasuries surpassed the rate on two year notes 104 00:05:43,880 --> 00:05:45,920 Speaker 2: for the first time since the end of January. 105 00:05:46,600 --> 00:05:50,520 Speaker 1: Jerome Powell says that recent data has provided policymakers with 106 00:05:50,600 --> 00:05:54,160 Speaker 1: more confidence that inflation is heading towards the fed's two 107 00:05:54,240 --> 00:05:57,800 Speaker 1: percent goal. The Federal Reserve chair highlighted the last three 108 00:05:57,880 --> 00:06:02,279 Speaker 1: inflation readings while speaking at the Economic Club of Washington. 109 00:06:02,279 --> 00:06:05,680 Speaker 9: On inflation in the first quarter, we didn't make any 110 00:06:05,680 --> 00:06:09,279 Speaker 9: more progress. The second quarter, actually we did make some 111 00:06:09,320 --> 00:06:12,600 Speaker 9: more progress. We've had now three better readings, and if 112 00:06:12,640 --> 00:06:14,919 Speaker 9: you average them, that's a pretty good piece. 113 00:06:15,880 --> 00:06:19,000 Speaker 1: Jerome Powell also insisted that he wasn't sending a message 114 00:06:19,000 --> 00:06:22,760 Speaker 1: about rate cut timing in the conversation with the Carlisle 115 00:06:22,839 --> 00:06:27,279 Speaker 1: co chairman David Rubinstein. The FED has held boring costs 116 00:06:27,320 --> 00:06:29,320 Speaker 1: at the highest level in more than two decades for 117 00:06:29,440 --> 00:06:32,640 Speaker 1: roughly a year now. The next FRMC meeting starts on 118 00:06:32,680 --> 00:06:35,919 Speaker 1: the thirtieth of July, when central bankers are expected to 119 00:06:35,960 --> 00:06:39,120 Speaker 1: hold rape steady once again. Now, in a moment, we 120 00:06:39,160 --> 00:06:41,720 Speaker 1: are going to get more on Donald Trump picking JD 121 00:06:41,920 --> 00:06:45,600 Speaker 1: Vance as his vice presidential candidate, and also bring you 122 00:06:45,640 --> 00:06:48,560 Speaker 1: more of our interview with the FED Chair Jerome Powell. 123 00:06:48,960 --> 00:06:51,560 Speaker 1: But firstly, just a word on the imagery of the 124 00:06:51,600 --> 00:06:55,080 Speaker 1: Republican National Convention. You heard some of the chanting. 125 00:06:55,160 --> 00:06:55,360 Speaker 6: There. 126 00:06:55,400 --> 00:06:59,000 Speaker 1: Donald Trump came into the hall with the bandage on 127 00:06:59,080 --> 00:07:03,120 Speaker 1: his right ear, to a standing ovation with all that chanting, 128 00:07:03,520 --> 00:07:05,000 Speaker 1: but he actually didn't speak. 129 00:07:05,240 --> 00:07:07,320 Speaker 2: No, of course, not yet as the moment because that 130 00:07:07,400 --> 00:07:12,720 Speaker 2: will be the culmination of the RNC event in Milwaukee, 131 00:07:12,840 --> 00:07:16,360 Speaker 2: but a hugely powerful image for his supporters. He mouthed 132 00:07:16,480 --> 00:07:19,440 Speaker 2: thank you at people as they chanted towards and pointed 133 00:07:19,520 --> 00:07:22,320 Speaker 2: a few people that he obviously knew in the crowd 134 00:07:22,360 --> 00:07:26,120 Speaker 2: as well. This while the audience heard from speakers who 135 00:07:26,240 --> 00:07:29,640 Speaker 2: ranged from business executives to the head of the Teamsters Union, 136 00:07:29,680 --> 00:07:32,320 Speaker 2: of course, an important voice in the US as well. 137 00:07:32,600 --> 00:07:36,560 Speaker 2: That parade of speakers at the first day of the RNC, 138 00:07:36,800 --> 00:07:40,600 Speaker 2: though depicting in America in which they the speakers said 139 00:07:40,600 --> 00:07:43,480 Speaker 2: working class families were struggling because of Joe Biden's agenda, 140 00:07:43,560 --> 00:07:47,360 Speaker 2: seeking to tap into polls showing unease with the incumbent's 141 00:07:47,440 --> 00:07:50,880 Speaker 2: economic policies. All part of the political theater, of course, 142 00:07:51,000 --> 00:07:55,000 Speaker 2: heightened massively by the events over the weekend, and those 143 00:07:55,080 --> 00:07:59,080 Speaker 2: chants I think will be another moment from this, I suppose, 144 00:07:59,120 --> 00:08:04,240 Speaker 2: particularly heightened moment in the campaign. Let's bring in though 145 00:08:04,360 --> 00:08:07,600 Speaker 2: our US government. Editor John Harney in Washington for more. 146 00:08:07,680 --> 00:08:11,239 Speaker 2: Of course, the big news from Monday was the selection 147 00:08:11,400 --> 00:08:14,720 Speaker 2: of J. D Vance, the Ohio Senator, as the vice 148 00:08:14,760 --> 00:08:19,800 Speaker 2: presidential pick. John What signal is Donald Trump sending by 149 00:08:19,840 --> 00:08:23,680 Speaker 2: picking jd Vance, someone perhaps best known elsewhere for his 150 00:08:23,720 --> 00:08:24,800 Speaker 2: book Hillbilly Llergy. 151 00:08:25,920 --> 00:08:31,400 Speaker 5: Well, that's right, He's picked in Dvance, a ardent, passionate 152 00:08:31,560 --> 00:08:36,640 Speaker 5: royalist who, if anything, perhaps embraces the populous cause even 153 00:08:36,720 --> 00:08:40,960 Speaker 5: more than Trump himself. And that's true why he's best 154 00:08:41,000 --> 00:08:46,280 Speaker 5: known for Hillbilly Elergy about his heart scrabble background origins 155 00:08:46,280 --> 00:08:51,599 Speaker 5: at Ohio. He also is an enture capitalist with connections 156 00:08:51,600 --> 00:08:55,679 Speaker 5: to Silicon Valley, where a lot of very wealthy donors 157 00:08:55,679 --> 00:08:59,480 Speaker 5: to both parties are operated. That may well have been 158 00:08:59,600 --> 00:09:03,640 Speaker 5: among the Trump's considerations. But what the former president did 159 00:09:03,640 --> 00:09:07,800 Speaker 5: not do was pick someone who was sort of outside 160 00:09:07,920 --> 00:09:11,400 Speaker 5: his circle, like say Nikki Heely or someone like that, 161 00:09:12,040 --> 00:09:16,080 Speaker 5: who could have perhaps appeal to independent voters, say, or 162 00:09:16,200 --> 00:09:19,160 Speaker 5: Republicans who might have misgivings about him. 163 00:09:19,280 --> 00:09:24,400 Speaker 1: Indeed, so then what about his positions on key policy issues, 164 00:09:24,480 --> 00:09:27,200 Speaker 1: for example, on China, on Ukraine. Who had a little 165 00:09:27,559 --> 00:09:31,080 Speaker 1: snippet of him speaking to reporters in the US. What 166 00:09:31,200 --> 00:09:36,720 Speaker 1: do we know about JD. Vance's political positions. 167 00:09:36,840 --> 00:09:40,319 Speaker 5: Well, I mean, for one thing, on abortion, he's supported 168 00:09:40,760 --> 00:09:44,560 Speaker 5: very strong restrictions that don't include exceptions for incests or 169 00:09:44,640 --> 00:09:50,560 Speaker 5: much of anything else. And on Ukraine he opposes any 170 00:09:50,640 --> 00:09:53,800 Speaker 5: further aid, which would likely disappoint some members of the 171 00:09:53,840 --> 00:09:59,960 Speaker 5: Republican foreign policy established, but that opposition will likely be whispered, 172 00:10:00,400 --> 00:10:04,920 Speaker 5: if anything, because this is dow on Trump's party, and 173 00:10:04,920 --> 00:10:09,080 Speaker 5: anyone he picked would be applauded, as of course Vance 174 00:10:09,240 --> 00:10:13,440 Speaker 5: was today, and oddly enough, Mitch McConnell, the Senate Minority leader, 175 00:10:14,040 --> 00:10:18,079 Speaker 5: who's very much part of the Republican old guard unfeigned 176 00:10:18,080 --> 00:10:21,000 Speaker 5: policy and other issues, was booed at the convention today 177 00:10:21,480 --> 00:10:22,080 Speaker 5: or yesterday. 178 00:10:23,320 --> 00:10:27,360 Speaker 1: And also given his age, I think that's another significant issue. 179 00:10:27,360 --> 00:10:30,280 Speaker 1: You know, there's also been perhaps an issue in this 180 00:10:30,360 --> 00:10:35,760 Speaker 1: campaign around the generational argument. At thirty nine, Vance is 181 00:10:35,840 --> 00:10:39,120 Speaker 1: half of Trump's age. Does this cement the sort of 182 00:10:39,160 --> 00:10:41,840 Speaker 1: populist future of the Republican Party? 183 00:10:42,080 --> 00:10:44,680 Speaker 5: Who knows what the Republican Party will look like in say, 184 00:10:44,760 --> 00:10:48,760 Speaker 5: eight years, but certainly for the seeable, and that question 185 00:10:48,800 --> 00:10:54,120 Speaker 5: about what foreseeable means here, Yes, this certainly establishes the 186 00:10:54,280 --> 00:11:01,280 Speaker 5: populist dominance of this party, which has changed considerably since 187 00:11:01,320 --> 00:11:04,800 Speaker 5: Donald Trump came down that escalator in twenty fifteen. 188 00:11:05,640 --> 00:11:07,960 Speaker 2: What does all of this mean for Joe Biden's campaign. 189 00:11:08,040 --> 00:11:10,320 Speaker 2: We did hear from the President yesterday as well. 190 00:11:10,559 --> 00:11:13,199 Speaker 5: Well. He spent much of this interview with Lester Holt 191 00:11:13,240 --> 00:11:19,400 Speaker 5: of NBC News One deflecting the criticism over the bullseye 192 00:11:19,600 --> 00:11:23,280 Speaker 5: comment that the course was made before this horrific and 193 00:11:23,480 --> 00:11:31,520 Speaker 5: shocking assassination attempt on Saturday, but that many Republicans immediately 194 00:11:31,880 --> 00:11:37,160 Speaker 5: accused Biden and the Democrats of provocation and created an 195 00:11:37,200 --> 00:11:41,480 Speaker 5: atmosphere that could lead to violence. And so he kept 196 00:11:41,480 --> 00:11:44,960 Speaker 5: trying to emphasize that, you know, Donald Trump himself has 197 00:11:45,000 --> 00:11:50,079 Speaker 5: made provocative remarks, you know, throughout his political career, and 198 00:11:50,600 --> 00:11:52,720 Speaker 5: you know he's but he was on the defensive even 199 00:11:52,760 --> 00:11:56,120 Speaker 5: though he tried to get the conversation back onto Donald Trump. 200 00:11:57,480 --> 00:12:00,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, indeed, John, thank you so much for with us. 201 00:12:00,520 --> 00:12:04,480 Speaker 1: Are US Government editor John Harney there in Washington to 202 00:12:04,559 --> 00:12:08,280 Speaker 1: discuss well, Trump's a pick for vice president? Also, I 203 00:12:08,320 --> 00:12:11,440 Speaker 1: think really fascinating On the Bloomberg terminal this morning, Bloomberg 204 00:12:11,440 --> 00:12:15,720 Speaker 1: Opinion columnist Patricia Lopez has been writing about JD. Vance, 205 00:12:15,800 --> 00:12:20,120 Speaker 1: the ultra conservative senator from Ohio. She talks about him 206 00:12:20,160 --> 00:12:22,560 Speaker 1: being the opposite of a unifor. I mean, this is 207 00:12:22,559 --> 00:12:26,680 Speaker 1: also what we were discussing only yesterday about whether you know, 208 00:12:26,760 --> 00:12:32,000 Speaker 1: Trump wanting to be a UNIFI. She calls JD. Vance 209 00:12:32,080 --> 00:12:36,280 Speaker 1: an acid tongue senator, young and vigorous inheritor of the 210 00:12:36,360 --> 00:12:39,920 Speaker 1: MAGA movement. You know that he's got, you know, a 211 00:12:39,960 --> 00:12:43,400 Speaker 1: lot of political ambition, but not so much political experience. 212 00:12:43,400 --> 00:12:44,600 Speaker 1: But the piece is very interesting. 213 00:12:44,679 --> 00:12:47,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, of course, I'm talking about JD. Vance's journey as 214 00:12:47,000 --> 00:12:49,320 Speaker 2: being someone who described himself as a never trumper and 215 00:12:49,320 --> 00:12:51,320 Speaker 2: then now to this position that he is as vice 216 00:12:51,400 --> 00:12:54,360 Speaker 2: presidential picks. Definitely worth your time Bloomberg dot com for 217 00:12:54,400 --> 00:12:56,800 Speaker 2: a Slash opinion to find that piece this morning. But 218 00:12:56,840 --> 00:12:58,679 Speaker 2: let's turn to another one of our key interviews on 219 00:12:58,720 --> 00:13:01,760 Speaker 2: the program this morning, the Federal Reserve Charge your own Powell, 220 00:13:01,840 --> 00:13:06,360 Speaker 2: saying recent economic data giving policymakers greater confidence that inflation 221 00:13:06,600 --> 00:13:09,400 Speaker 2: is coming down to their two percent goal. His comments 222 00:13:09,400 --> 00:13:11,839 Speaker 2: potentially paved the way for interest rate cuts. Markets of 223 00:13:11,880 --> 00:13:14,839 Speaker 2: priced in a first move for September. The PO began 224 00:13:14,920 --> 00:13:18,880 Speaker 2: by addressing the attempted assassination of former President Donald Trump. 225 00:13:18,960 --> 00:13:21,560 Speaker 2: He was speaking to Bloomberg host and Carla co founder 226 00:13:21,559 --> 00:13:25,439 Speaker 2: and co chairman David Rubinstein at the Economic Club of Washington, DC. 227 00:13:26,160 --> 00:13:28,200 Speaker 3: It was a really very sad day for our country. 228 00:13:28,320 --> 00:13:31,160 Speaker 9: Political violence has no place in our society, and I 229 00:13:31,240 --> 00:13:33,320 Speaker 9: condemn it in the strongest terms I know we all do. 230 00:13:34,720 --> 00:13:36,719 Speaker 3: A man died at a. 231 00:13:36,640 --> 00:13:39,360 Speaker 9: Political rally, to other people were critically injured. So just 232 00:13:39,400 --> 00:13:41,640 Speaker 9: a sad day, and I'll say that I'm grateful that 233 00:13:41,679 --> 00:13:44,240 Speaker 9: the injuries to the former president were not more serious. 234 00:13:45,559 --> 00:13:48,480 Speaker 9: I really not comment on the markets. It's too okay. 235 00:13:49,280 --> 00:13:52,319 Speaker 10: So let's get another answer that you don't want to 236 00:13:52,360 --> 00:13:56,000 Speaker 10: give four play. 237 00:13:56,080 --> 00:13:57,000 Speaker 3: Huh. 238 00:13:57,040 --> 00:14:03,240 Speaker 10: So there are a few billion people in the world 239 00:14:03,360 --> 00:14:05,440 Speaker 10: are waiting to see what interest rates are going to 240 00:14:05,440 --> 00:14:09,400 Speaker 10: be doing. Do you have any insights on where interest rates. 241 00:14:09,320 --> 00:14:09,800 Speaker 3: Might be going? 242 00:14:13,000 --> 00:14:16,439 Speaker 9: So I'm going to take that as a great opportunity 243 00:14:16,520 --> 00:14:18,199 Speaker 9: to talk a little bit about the economy and then 244 00:14:18,280 --> 00:14:20,920 Speaker 9: talk about where that leaves us with policy. So I 245 00:14:20,920 --> 00:14:23,600 Speaker 9: would just start by saying that the US economy has 246 00:14:23,640 --> 00:14:26,600 Speaker 9: performed really remarkably well over the last couple of years. 247 00:14:26,960 --> 00:14:28,160 Speaker 3: Twenty twenty three. 248 00:14:28,320 --> 00:14:30,320 Speaker 9: Last year was a year in which the economy grew 249 00:14:30,360 --> 00:14:34,600 Speaker 9: well above three percent. The labor market remained very strong, 250 00:14:34,920 --> 00:14:37,960 Speaker 9: unemployment remained very low, and inflation came down at quite 251 00:14:37,960 --> 00:14:40,840 Speaker 9: a sharp pace, particularly in the second half of the year, 252 00:14:41,440 --> 00:14:45,520 Speaker 9: by a very large amount. And that forecast was almost 253 00:14:45,600 --> 00:14:48,120 Speaker 9: unheard of. It was unheard of before twenty twenty three, 254 00:14:48,160 --> 00:14:51,080 Speaker 9: so big upside surprise that year. This year, we had 255 00:14:51,120 --> 00:14:54,080 Speaker 9: expected the economy to slow a bit gradually, the labor 256 00:14:54,120 --> 00:14:58,200 Speaker 9: market to continue to gradually cool off after being overheated 257 00:14:58,200 --> 00:15:00,120 Speaker 9: a couple of years ago, and inflation to continue to 258 00:15:00,200 --> 00:15:04,520 Speaker 9: make progress, and something like that is basically what has happened. 259 00:15:05,280 --> 00:15:07,440 Speaker 9: The economy is growing now at about one and a 260 00:15:07,480 --> 00:15:09,720 Speaker 9: half percent in the first half of the year. Most 261 00:15:09,760 --> 00:15:12,080 Speaker 9: forecasters have about a two percent growth great for the 262 00:15:12,120 --> 00:15:15,480 Speaker 9: full year. The labor market again has moved into better 263 00:15:15,480 --> 00:15:17,120 Speaker 9: and better balance, to the point where I think you 264 00:15:17,160 --> 00:15:20,080 Speaker 9: can now say it's essentially no tighter than it was 265 00:15:20,200 --> 00:15:23,520 Speaker 9: in twenty nineteen before the pandemic. Remember that the labor 266 00:15:23,560 --> 00:15:26,600 Speaker 9: market of twenty nineteen was a very strong labor market, 267 00:15:26,640 --> 00:15:30,400 Speaker 9: so we're back to that place, no longer overheated on inflation. 268 00:15:31,280 --> 00:15:33,800 Speaker 9: In the first quarter, we didn't make any more progress. 269 00:15:34,160 --> 00:15:37,320 Speaker 9: The second quarter actually we did make some more progress. 270 00:15:37,360 --> 00:15:40,840 Speaker 9: We've had now three better readings, and if you average them, 271 00:15:41,360 --> 00:15:44,920 Speaker 9: that's a pretty good pace. So turning to policy your question, 272 00:15:45,440 --> 00:15:48,080 Speaker 9: what we said is that we didn't think it would 273 00:15:48,080 --> 00:15:50,640 Speaker 9: be appropriate to begin to loosen policy until we were 274 00:15:50,680 --> 00:15:53,720 Speaker 9: more we had greater confidence that inflation was moving sustainably 275 00:15:53,760 --> 00:15:56,600 Speaker 9: down to two percent. We've been waiting on that, and 276 00:15:57,120 --> 00:15:59,640 Speaker 9: I would say we didn't gain any additional confidence in 277 00:15:59,640 --> 00:16:01,840 Speaker 9: the first quarter, but the three readings in the second quarter, 278 00:16:01,880 --> 00:16:05,160 Speaker 9: including the one from last week, do add somewhat in confidence. 279 00:16:05,520 --> 00:16:08,680 Speaker 9: We've also said that, you know, we're a dual mandate bank. 280 00:16:09,000 --> 00:16:11,880 Speaker 9: For a long time, since inflation arrived, it's been appropriate 281 00:16:11,880 --> 00:16:14,920 Speaker 9: to focus mainly on inflation. But now that inflation has 282 00:16:14,960 --> 00:16:17,680 Speaker 9: come down and the labor market has indeed cooled off, 283 00:16:18,080 --> 00:16:20,640 Speaker 9: we're going to be looking at both mandates. They're much better, 284 00:16:20,840 --> 00:16:23,240 Speaker 9: in much better balance, and that means that if we 285 00:16:23,240 --> 00:16:26,080 Speaker 9: were to see an unexpected weakening in the labor market, 286 00:16:26,280 --> 00:16:29,880 Speaker 9: then that might also be a reason for reaction by US. 287 00:16:30,200 --> 00:16:34,880 Speaker 10: Okay, I think I understand, So to put it in terms, 288 00:16:34,920 --> 00:16:39,960 Speaker 10: I can for sure understand, the markets are suggesting the 289 00:16:40,000 --> 00:16:43,760 Speaker 10: future's markets that there's a ninety percent chance that the 290 00:16:43,800 --> 00:16:48,400 Speaker 10: FED will lower its discount rate in September. Do you 291 00:16:48,400 --> 00:16:50,400 Speaker 10: think the markets know what they're talking about? 292 00:16:50,800 --> 00:16:54,760 Speaker 9: So, I'm so today I'm not going to be sending 293 00:16:54,800 --> 00:16:58,040 Speaker 9: any signals one way or the other on any particular meeting. 294 00:16:58,200 --> 00:17:01,800 Speaker 3: So just to ruin the fund right the beginning, I. 295 00:17:01,800 --> 00:17:04,480 Speaker 9: Simply you know, we're going to make these decisions meeting 296 00:17:04,520 --> 00:17:06,119 Speaker 9: by meeting, and we're going to make them on the 297 00:17:06,119 --> 00:17:08,760 Speaker 9: basis of the data as they come in, the evolving data, 298 00:17:08,760 --> 00:17:11,600 Speaker 9: the evolving outlook, and also the balance of risks. Now 299 00:17:11,600 --> 00:17:15,440 Speaker 9: that the two mandates are basically close to being a balance. 300 00:17:15,400 --> 00:17:17,240 Speaker 10: Right, there are some people who say that the FED 301 00:17:17,320 --> 00:17:19,960 Speaker 10: would not like the lower interest rates in a presidential 302 00:17:19,960 --> 00:17:22,800 Speaker 10: campaign period because you could be criticized for helping one 303 00:17:22,880 --> 00:17:25,120 Speaker 10: party or another. Do you have any comment on whether 304 00:17:25,119 --> 00:17:26,160 Speaker 10: that's an accurate view. 305 00:17:26,480 --> 00:17:27,119 Speaker 3: I do so. 306 00:17:28,119 --> 00:17:30,679 Speaker 9: Our undertaking at all times is that we'll make our 307 00:17:30,680 --> 00:17:34,879 Speaker 9: decisions based on the incoming data, the evolving outlook, balance 308 00:17:34,920 --> 00:17:38,200 Speaker 9: of risks, and only on that. We don't take political 309 00:17:38,200 --> 00:17:40,879 Speaker 9: considerations into account. We don't put up a political filter 310 00:17:41,400 --> 00:17:44,080 Speaker 9: on our decisions. That would It's hard enough to make 311 00:17:44,119 --> 00:17:47,320 Speaker 9: these decisions based on the appropriate factors. If you're going 312 00:17:47,359 --> 00:17:49,520 Speaker 9: to add a whole different filter in an area where 313 00:17:49,520 --> 00:17:52,240 Speaker 9: we're not experts, that's not going to improve the quality 314 00:17:52,240 --> 00:17:55,159 Speaker 9: of our decisions. And it's also not the orders we 315 00:17:55,200 --> 00:17:57,679 Speaker 9: have from Congress or orders from Congress. Ver use our 316 00:17:57,720 --> 00:18:00,919 Speaker 9: tools to foster maximum employment and stability, and to do 317 00:18:01,000 --> 00:18:03,240 Speaker 9: so without political considerations. 318 00:18:03,560 --> 00:18:04,760 Speaker 3: That's what we're always going to do. 319 00:18:04,840 --> 00:18:07,040 Speaker 9: If you look at the modern record, that is what 320 00:18:07,080 --> 00:18:09,760 Speaker 9: we do, and we don't think about election cycles or 321 00:18:09,800 --> 00:18:10,720 Speaker 9: anything that's political. 322 00:18:10,800 --> 00:18:13,760 Speaker 10: The FED set its target for inflation to two percent. 323 00:18:14,359 --> 00:18:17,280 Speaker 10: Now can you clarify does that mean that the inflation 324 00:18:17,400 --> 00:18:19,560 Speaker 10: rate has to be at two percent before you're ready 325 00:18:19,600 --> 00:18:21,720 Speaker 10: to move if you are ready to move, or does 326 00:18:21,720 --> 00:18:22,920 Speaker 10: it have to be within sight? 327 00:18:23,040 --> 00:18:24,600 Speaker 3: And what does it mean to be within sight? 328 00:18:25,200 --> 00:18:29,680 Speaker 9: So when we change interest rates, that tightens financial conditions, 329 00:18:29,680 --> 00:18:33,560 Speaker 9: and that in turn affects economic outcomes, you know, growth, 330 00:18:34,000 --> 00:18:35,680 Speaker 9: labor markets, and ultimately inflation. 331 00:18:36,080 --> 00:18:38,600 Speaker 3: But with lags that can be long and variable, as 332 00:18:38,640 --> 00:18:42,760 Speaker 3: Milton Freeman famously said, And the implication of that is. 333 00:18:42,640 --> 00:18:44,720 Speaker 9: That if you wait until inflation gets all the way 334 00:18:44,760 --> 00:18:47,800 Speaker 9: down to two percent, you've probably waited too long because 335 00:18:48,119 --> 00:18:50,400 Speaker 9: you know the tightening that you're doing with a level 336 00:18:50,440 --> 00:18:53,280 Speaker 9: of tightness that you have is still having effects which 337 00:18:53,280 --> 00:18:56,640 Speaker 9: will probably drive inflation below two percent. So we've been 338 00:18:56,760 --> 00:18:58,959 Speaker 9: very clear that you wouldn't wait for inflation to get 339 00:18:59,000 --> 00:19:01,400 Speaker 9: all the way down to two percent. Our test has 340 00:19:01,440 --> 00:19:04,960 Speaker 9: been for the past quite some time that we wanted 341 00:19:04,960 --> 00:19:07,680 Speaker 9: to be to have greater confidence than inflation was moving 342 00:19:07,720 --> 00:19:09,959 Speaker 9: sustainably down toward our two percent target. 343 00:19:10,240 --> 00:19:12,760 Speaker 3: And what increases confidence in. 344 00:19:12,720 --> 00:19:15,760 Speaker 9: That is more good inflation data, and lately here we 345 00:19:15,840 --> 00:19:16,760 Speaker 9: have been getting some of that. 346 00:19:18,119 --> 00:19:20,840 Speaker 2: This is Bloomberg Daybreak Europe, your morning brief on the 347 00:19:20,920 --> 00:19:23,960 Speaker 2: stories making news from London to Wall Street and beyond. 348 00:19:24,240 --> 00:19:28,200 Speaker 1: Look for us on your podcast feed every morning, on Apple, Spotify, 349 00:19:28,320 --> 00:19:30,280 Speaker 1: and anywhere else you get your podcasts. 350 00:19:30,320 --> 00:19:33,320 Speaker 2: You can also listen live each morning on London Dab Radio, 351 00:19:33,359 --> 00:19:36,080 Speaker 2: the Bloomberg Business app, and Bloomberg dot Com. 352 00:19:36,119 --> 00:19:38,840 Speaker 1: Our flagship New York station is also available on your 353 00:19:38,920 --> 00:19:43,639 Speaker 1: Amazon Alexa devices. 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