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Speaker 1: Hi, I'm Molly John Fast and this is Fast Politics,

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Speaker 1: where we discussed the top political headlines with some of

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Speaker 1: today's best minds, and Carolyn Levitt says truth social posts

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Speaker 1: are straight from Trump, except when they're not. A week

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Speaker 1: after his team blamed a staffer for in Obama as

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Speaker 1: ape video, we have such a great show for you today,

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Speaker 1: the David Pacman Shows. David Pacman stops by to talk

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Speaker 1: about Trump's Epstein cover up. Then we'll talk to New

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Speaker 1: Mexico Attorney General Raoul Torres about how ags can regulate

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Speaker 1: big tech and New Mexico authorities are going to investigate

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Speaker 1: Epstein's Zorro ranch. But first the news.

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Speaker 2: Smaya, I heard you go to fancy universities and win debates.

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Speaker 1: Oh, let's talk about me winning a debate against a

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Speaker 1: writer at large for the Wall Street Journal. I went

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Speaker 1: to the Yale Institute of Politics and we had a

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Speaker 1: debate Jerry Baker and I. Jerry Baker was the editor

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Speaker 1: so we debated over whether his theory, which is that

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Speaker 1: journalists are responsible for the lack of journalistic trust, what

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Speaker 1: do you think of that.

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Speaker 2: I think it's a ridiculous thing that he should have

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Speaker 2: embarrassed to debate you Wan.

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Speaker 1: I won twenty three to sixteen. The thesis, the central thesis.

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Speaker 1: It was sort of based on a column he wrote

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Speaker 1: last week where he talked about how democracy dies in

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Speaker 1: when in fact it was popularized by one Jeff Bezos,

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Speaker 2: I think of him as the wokest guy in CEO Land.

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Speaker 1: You want to know where democracy dies in darkness actually

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Speaker 1: comes from? Tell me it comes from Justice Keith, the

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Speaker 1: grandson of enslaved people, who was a Sixth Circuit justice

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Speaker 1: who ruled in a case called Ashcroft v. Detroit Free Press,

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Speaker 1: had found journalism helpful in protect democratic norms. Interesting hard

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Speaker 1: to think of a better way to debunk than just

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Speaker 1: to actually show that my opponent was completely wrong about everything.

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Speaker 1: Invite me to your college, because I will now debate.

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Speaker 3: Thank you.

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Speaker 2: So, speaking of being completely wrong about everything, I think

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Speaker 2: of a company called Meta, who I hate to death.

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Speaker 2: One of the things that's been argued is that when

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Speaker 2: be controlled by these groups because they hold too much

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Speaker 2: And Meta has decided to show that in the way

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Speaker 1: There are a number of these kind of things starting

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Speaker 1: already to push midterm legislation. So this is what's happened.

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Speaker 1: We have these midterms coming up in nine months. Many

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Speaker 1: so we have Meta making this sixty million dollar investment

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Speaker 1: the world was very involved with helping to elect Donald Trump,

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Speaker 2: Yeah. So here's the interesting one. Quite a stark headline.

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Speaker 2: Jeffries puts rare public pressure on fellow Democrats, kind of

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Speaker 1: I don't feel quite as mad at Jeffries as you do,

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Speaker 2: That's not what it's about. It's that this time needs

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Speaker 1: I don't know that he's a leader, but I think

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Speaker 2: This is such a critical time to have somebody who's

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Speaker 2: So speaking of how things play out, imagine that before

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Speaker 2: somebody self emolated. For those who aren't familiar with the

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Speaker 2: that you had text people that you had an affair

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Speaker 1: So this is a horrible story, just a horrible story.

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Speaker 1: He has this Evaldi office. You'll remember Evaldi. It's right

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Speaker 1: not again, this is like the Epstein Files. Is it

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Speaker 1: Another thing, like, we need to know this stuff. These

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Speaker 1: whether your daughter can get an abortion. Okay, you know

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Speaker 1: he's a member of Congress. This is I think important

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Speaker 2: I mean, I'm old enough to remember when you and

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Speaker 2: the child Dredge, Levis, et cetera. All these things were

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Speaker 1: Well, I think the idea is that Trump is basically.

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Speaker 4: Hi, David, good to be here. Thanks for having me.

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Speaker 1: Delighted to have you the idea that the Epstein files

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Speaker 4: A story that's right. And you know, there was this

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Speaker 4: You know, if these files really come out, it might

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Speaker 4: be bad for some powerful Democrats, And everybody I know

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Speaker 4: on the left has said, Okay, well, let the chips

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Speaker 4: which is that even half of Republicans now think that

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Speaker 4: certainly for the House. You know, there's talk of the

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Speaker 4: Senate being in play. I guess it might be in play,

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Speaker 4: but it doesn't seem very likely that Democrats would take

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Speaker 4: control of it. But losing the House would be bad

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Speaker 4: enough for Republicans.

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Speaker 1: Right because if you lose the House, Trump gets impeached,

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Speaker 1: and even if you can't be removed, the trials begin

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Speaker 1: in the House, and Trump does not like the trials.

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Speaker 1: Now that said, I don't I agree, Like I'm always

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Speaker 1: skeptical about the Senate because especially with this map, it's

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Speaker 1: a heavy map. But if you were ever to have

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Speaker 1: a an environment where you could do that, it would

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Speaker 1: be now because you've seen such overperformance in those specials,

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Speaker 1: and then you have Sharon Brown and Ohio, you have

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Speaker 1: you know, like Texas, I'm old enough to remember Beto

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Speaker 1: oh Rourke, so you know, there's been a lot of

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Speaker 1: you know, just like I'm old enough to remember Sarah

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Speaker 1: Gideon and Maine. So there's been a lot of money

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Speaker 1: spent on some of those on trying to flip those sentences.

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Speaker 1: But it is interesting, like if you look at New

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Speaker 1: Jersey and Virginia and those off your elections, it was

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Speaker 1: a huge over performance.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, the numbers are crazy, and you know, it is

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Speaker 4: both true that those numbers represent a huge swing from

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Speaker 4: November of twenty four against Trump and also that special

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Speaker 4: elections and off your elections don't necessarily map perfectly to

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Speaker 4: a midterm. But I think if you're Republicans, you have

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Speaker 4: to air on the side of this could be a

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Speaker 4: disaster and we've got a dump huge amounts of money

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Speaker 4: and resources in.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and I'm so struck by like Munich, the Munich

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Speaker 1: Security Conference, because you know, it just happened, and there

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Speaker 1: was really like jd Vance did it last year, Marco

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Speaker 1: did it this year. There's like this sense that these

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Speaker 1: two feel that they're the air of parents to trump Ism.

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Speaker 1: And it's great because JD. Vance is absolutely the single

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Speaker 1: least talented politician I've ever seen. I mean, do you

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Speaker 1: just watch him and you're like, who is this for?

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Speaker 4: No, it's remarkable because he is so unlikable. He lacks

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Speaker 4: charisma to a degree that is almost difficult, Like you'd

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Speaker 4: need an actor to say, I'm going to play the

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Speaker 4: least charismatic person you could even dream up. And I

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Speaker 4: think you know, it's it's a little early to read

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Speaker 4: into Trump not saying, of course I would support JD.

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Speaker 4: Because it just is very early. We don't know what

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Speaker 4: JD's even going to want to do. But it is

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Speaker 4: interesting that Trump keeps saying Marco is very talented. Marco

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Speaker 4: and JD. These are both really really talented and talented guys.

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Speaker 4: It doesn't seem that it's clear that Trump is ready

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Speaker 4: to say JD is the future of MAGA, and it

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Speaker 4: does not clear Trump will have that power depending on

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Speaker 4: how the next two years ago.

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Speaker 1: Well. And it's also like, if you're a person who

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Speaker 1: loves to keep power, the minute you endorse someone I

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Speaker 1: was thinking about like turning Point USA and the widow

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Speaker 1: of Charlie Kirk immediately endorses JD Bans and I was like,

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Speaker 1: Charlie Kirk never would have done that, because as soon

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Speaker 1: as you endorse, you are tied to that person, whereas

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Speaker 1: if you're playing them against each other, you have way

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Speaker 1: more leverage. And the truth is we're still miles from

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty eight one hundred percent and then just endorse anyone.

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Speaker 4: It's interesting because Erica Kirk, if she had waited on

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Speaker 4: that number one, would have built interest in the idea

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Speaker 4: of courting Turning Point USA for an endorsement, and what

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Speaker 4: would have made it sort of more interesting in terms

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Speaker 4: of the direction that Turning Point would go, because Turning

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Speaker 4: Point was so Maga adjacent. It's whatever Trump says goes,

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Speaker 4: and that would have also been an interesting scenario. So

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Speaker 4: I think it was a political mistake from Naivete that

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Speaker 4: she just said, of course we're working on JD.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: No, no, totally, and you know it's not expected to

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Speaker 1: know that. Souff I do want to talk. I think

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Speaker 1: this is relevant. You know, there's this Democratic primary in

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Speaker 1: the Senate in Texas. We talked about it, or it

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Speaker 1: has gotten a lot of airtime because of the Colbert

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Speaker 1: Teller Rico thing. But in the Republican side it is

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Speaker 1: batshittery in the most incredible way. Can we just talk

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Speaker 1: about it because it's like my favorite kind of candidates.

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Speaker 1: We have Cornyn who is relatively speaking, the most normal,

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Speaker 1: and then we have my man, Ken Paxton.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I think it's interesting that Trump isn't endorsing, But

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Speaker 4: I think there's a very simple explanation as to why,

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Speaker 4: which is Trump likes to run up the score of

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Speaker 4: his endorsements by picking more, mostly obvious winners. And I

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Speaker 4: just think that Trump is being told you should wait

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Speaker 4: on this one. You don't want to end up on

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Speaker 4: the wrong side of it. You should kind of take

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Speaker 4: a breather. And he's praised both Paxton and cornyin over

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Speaker 4: the years, So I think it's Trump wanting to figure out,

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Speaker 4: how can I make sure that I get credit for

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Speaker 4: this one?

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Speaker 1: And there's Representative Wellesley Hunt too of Texas, But it

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Speaker 1: really is a two man raise. As a Democrat, you

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Speaker 1: want Paxton as the nominee.

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Speaker 4: You do unless you're convinced that it's going to be

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Speaker 4: another one of these Texas is in play. It's in

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Speaker 4: play until it isn't and then maybe Paxton is the

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Speaker 4: next senator and he's far crazier than Cornyn that that's

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Speaker 4: always like a strategy thing. But no, I think Paxton

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Speaker 4: is far more cartoonish, and in a debate setting, assuming

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Speaker 4: there will be general election debates with whoever is the

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Speaker 4: Democratic nominee, Paxton's going to make their candidate look much

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Speaker 4: worse for sure.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, no, it's a good point. And like the road

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Speaker 1: to Trump two point zero is filled with gaming it

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Speaker 1: out for the craziest candidate. I certainly remember talking to

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Speaker 1: people from Biden world who are like, Nikki Haley cannot

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Speaker 1: be the nominee because she'll when and like we'd all

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Speaker 1: be a lot better off if Nikki ally we're president

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Speaker 1: right now.

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Speaker 4: That's absolutely true. It turns out I don't know that

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Speaker 4: it mattered that much who the Republican nominee was going

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Speaker 4: to be. It didn't seem like it was going to

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Speaker 4: go particularly well for Democrats.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, David, you're so great. Will you come back.

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Speaker 4: I'm glad to come back anytime. Thank you so much

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Speaker 4: for having me.

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Speaker 1: Raoul Torrez is the Attorney General of New Mexico. Welcome

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Speaker 1: to Fast Politics. Attorney General Torrez.

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Speaker 2: Mollie, it's good to be with you again.

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Speaker 1: You're a blue state. But in the middle of you

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Speaker 1: got ice, you got it all happening there. Talk us

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Speaker 1: to first this case you're working on with technology and Meta.

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Speaker 3: So this is the first state led action against Meta,

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Speaker 3: specifically highlighting the danger associated with Facebook and Instagram. I

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Speaker 3: think a lot of people are increasingly aware of the

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Speaker 3: psychological harm, the addictive nature of some of these products.

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Speaker 3: But our case is a little bit different because not

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Speaker 3: only do we talk about that, we also really focus

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Speaker 3: in on the ways in which the platform actually permits

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Speaker 3: and enables sexual predators. I started off my career in

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Speaker 3: an Internet crimes prosecutor nearly twenty years ago, and what

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Speaker 3: we did was we had to go into the kind

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Speaker 3: of the deepest, darkest reaches of the Internet to find

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Speaker 3: people who were trading child pornography, people who were soliciting

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Speaker 3: people or children for sex. Now all of that behavior

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Speaker 3: has migrated into the biggest platforms that most people download

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Speaker 3: on their phones, and a lot of adults, frankly and

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Speaker 3: parents are unaware that, you know, the social media platforms

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Speaker 3: are a place where their kids can be targeted. And

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Speaker 3: so our lawsuit really focuses in on that and the

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Speaker 3: way in which the company has known about it for

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Speaker 3: years and lied about it and deceived consumers about it.

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Speaker 1: Of my passion project is the fact that government refuses

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Speaker 1: to regulate any kind of technology. Basically they become like

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Speaker 1: cigarette companies and oil companies. So this is like low

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Speaker 1: hanging fruit when it comes to regulation because it's easier

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Speaker 1: to prove harm.

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Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, I mean our consumer protection laws, they frankly

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Speaker 3: haven't been updated, and they need to be updated. That's

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Speaker 3: one of the things that we'll be working on through

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Speaker 3: the legislative process is really trying to adapt our consumer

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Speaker 3: protection laws to deal with the new behavior that we're

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Speaker 3: seeing on the part of a lot of these companies now.

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Speaker 3: To a certain extent, to your point, this is not

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Speaker 3: that dissimilar from past corporations who have created known dangerous

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Speaker 3: and addictive products that they've specifically marketed to kids. That's

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Speaker 3: exactly what Big Tobacco did, and it was the actions

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Speaker 3: of the Attorney's General you know, thirty or forty years

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Speaker 3: ago that really led to wholesale changes in how those

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Speaker 3: markets were regulated in those products were sort of you know,

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Speaker 3: broad into line. But the reality is is There's another

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Speaker 3: important lesson here, specifically for Democrats, where we are locked

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Speaker 3: out of power in Congress. We clearly have the Trump

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Speaker 3: administration aligning itself with big tech, aligning itself with the

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Speaker 3: billionaires like Zuckerberg and Bezos and others, and because of that,

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Speaker 3: a lot of the instruments of enforcement and accountability are

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Speaker 3: off the table at the federal level. It's time for

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Speaker 3: us to rediscover this notion that the states can and

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Speaker 3: do have enormous power when it comes to trying to

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Speaker 3: protect our citizens. We need to update the law and

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Speaker 3: be a lot more aggressive at pushing back against this

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Speaker 3: kind of misconduct. Sexual predators, sexual exploitation of kids, the

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Speaker 3: psychological harm to kids is an obvious thing for us

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Speaker 3: to try and step in and stop, but there is

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Speaker 3: a lot of other behavior that we have to be

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Speaker 3: really mindful of, and I think empowering state level action

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Speaker 3: and state level enforcement is a good way to balance

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Speaker 3: out the needs and interests of the party who is

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Speaker 3: currently struggling to find its footing at the national level.

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Speaker 3: There's still a lot of work that we're trying to

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Speaker 3: get done at the state level, and we hope we

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Speaker 3: can get some people to pay more attention to that.

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Speaker 1: So AI falls into this category too. Talk us through that.

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Speaker 3: Well, so artificial intelligence obviously is the arms race is

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Speaker 3: on right, and Meta is a big player in that.

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Speaker 3: And some of the same groups and individuals and companies

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Speaker 3: who have mishandled and created dangerous products in the social

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Speaker 3: media landscape, well they're now at the forefront of artificial intelligence.

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Speaker 3: And the concern that I have is that we will

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Speaker 3: be making progress to try and deal with and mitigate

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Speaker 3: the harms that you know, we've seen in the last

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Speaker 3: ten or fifteen years without thinking, you know, five or

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Speaker 3: ten years down the road, and empowering the same people

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Speaker 3: like Zuckerberg to create the digital ecosystem that will enable

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Speaker 3: AI systems to develop without necessary guardrails. And one of

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Speaker 3: the things that came out yesterday is is some very

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Speaker 3: disturbing information about the failure rate that the company is

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Speaker 3: seeing in its own AI chat bots nearly seventy percent

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Speaker 3: of the time. A RED team that was working on

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Speaker 3: testing those products found that it failed to protect users

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Speaker 3: from sexual exploitation. There is some debate right now about

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Speaker 3: what version of the AI chat bots were pushed into

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Speaker 3: the marketplace, but the bottom line is the same move

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Speaker 3: fast and break things ethos that has been driving these

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Speaker 3: guys for decades now is really what's underpinning AI and

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Speaker 3: Congress is sort of locked in place. The President has

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Speaker 3: been very clear at trying to preempt state action. That's

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Speaker 3: why he issued that executive order. What they're trying to

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Speaker 3: do is to not only keep Congress in line, but

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Speaker 3: keep the states in line at the same time. And

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Speaker 3: there needs to be a lot more attention paid to

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Speaker 3: the work that can be done at our level of government.

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Speaker 1: When you go to New Mexico, you guys have humong

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Speaker 1: us data centers already huge. They take up a ton

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Speaker 1: of water, they take up a ton of electricity. They're

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Speaker 1: completely unregulated. First of all, in New Mexico, do residents

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Speaker 1: pay for data centers, water and electricity? And if so,

651
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Speaker 1: can you stop it? And if not, how if you

652
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Speaker 1: prevented it?

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Well, one of the things that we've been working on

655
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Speaker 3: is an update to the Public Utility Act because, again,

656
00:36:39,840 --> 00:36:42,879
Speaker 3: a little bit like these consumer protection laws, they were

657
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Speaker 3: built at a time where this new emerging technology was

658
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Speaker 3: just not in anybody's worldview. The explosive growth in the

659
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Speaker 3: demand for power generation, for the use of water wasn't

660
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Speaker 3: something that was top of mind for anybody when they

661
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Speaker 3: were building and construct these laws. So we need to

662
00:37:03,000 --> 00:37:07,080
Speaker 3: update our Public Utility Act to make sure that that

663
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Speaker 3: residential unit users, small businesses, low income people, working people

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Speaker 3: don't subsidize big tech.

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Speaker 2: Right that.

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Speaker 3: We have seen that in places like Virginia. I know

667
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Speaker 3: it was a big political part of the recent elections

668
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Speaker 3: in New Jersey and in other places. New Mexico is

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Speaker 3: just now bringing on some of these data centers online.

670
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Speaker 3: It's a little bit different because we've got a microgrid

671
00:37:34,239 --> 00:37:38,040
Speaker 3: bill that right now sort of empowers them to generate

672
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Speaker 3: their own electricity and keep it on site. But there

673
00:37:42,160 --> 00:37:45,920
Speaker 3: is now real concerns about whether or not that is

674
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Speaker 3: in alignment with the climate mandates that we've got in

675
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Speaker 3: the renewable portfolio that we've established in the States. So

676
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Speaker 3: all of this is to say we need to have

677
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Speaker 3: a lot more attention paid to the costs associated with

678
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Speaker 3: this techechnology. I think people still want to keep the

679
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Speaker 3: door open to responsible economic development and ethical business practices,

680
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Speaker 3: but there have to be protections put in place, and

681
00:38:10,960 --> 00:38:14,640
Speaker 3: at this point there is, and I think people recognize this,

682
00:38:14,960 --> 00:38:17,520
Speaker 3: there's not a lot of trust when people in these

683
00:38:17,560 --> 00:38:20,480
Speaker 3: companies say, oh, believe us. We're not going to shift

684
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Speaker 3: these costs onto other people. We're not going to make

685
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Speaker 3: other people bear the burden of these things. No one

686
00:38:25,719 --> 00:38:27,680
Speaker 3: is going to take that at face value. And we

687
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Speaker 3: need to have laws in place and enforcement mechanisms in

688
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Speaker 3: place that really make sure that the interests of everyday

689
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Speaker 3: people are secured first and foremost.

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Speaker 1: So New Mexico has been in the news. Yeah, I'm

691
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Speaker 1: sorry to tell you, and part of it is you

692
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Speaker 1: guys approved this comprehensive probe of Epstein's Araro ranch. It

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Speaker 1: was sold, It's in the state legislature now. I'm actually

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Speaker 1: pretty impressed as the state legislature has passed us. It

695
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Speaker 1: doesn't seem like anything I quite understand. How does that

696
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Speaker 1: work and what kind of power does the state have

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Speaker 1: to do that.

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Speaker 3: So they've established this truth Commission to get to the

699
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Speaker 3: bottom of what was going on at Zoro Ranch. We'll

700
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Speaker 3: be working with them and making sure that we're communicating

701
00:39:17,560 --> 00:39:20,759
Speaker 3: about the different investigations and efforts that are underway. I

702
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Speaker 3: will tell you that I come at this as as

703
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Speaker 3: a career prosecutor, and so I am faced with the

704
00:39:25,840 --> 00:39:31,680
Speaker 3: possibility of effectively establishing and recreating an investigation into something

705
00:39:31,719 --> 00:39:34,880
Speaker 3: that goes back two decades, right, which means a loss

706
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Speaker 3: of witness testimony, the destruction of physical evidence, and all

707
00:39:38,600 --> 00:39:41,880
Speaker 3: of those other things. So it's going to be very difficult, frankly,

708
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Speaker 3: for our investigators and prosecutors to be able to put

709
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Speaker 3: together something that may result in a case that can

710
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Speaker 3: be presented. Leaving aside obviously Jeffrey Epstein, but anyone else

711
00:39:53,040 --> 00:39:57,719
Speaker 3: who was involved in trafficking at the ranch. The thing

712
00:39:57,760 --> 00:40:00,239
Speaker 3: that is going to be also very difficult is is

713
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Speaker 3: parsing real information and leads and real evidence from all

714
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Speaker 3: the conspiracy theories and all of the other stuff that

715
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Speaker 3: comes our way. So we are in preliminary talks with

716
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Speaker 3: folks to see if we can get direct access to

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Speaker 3: the ranch. Early indications are that the new owners of

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Speaker 3: the ranch are willing to cooperate with law enforcement.

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Speaker 2: That's a good thing.

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Speaker 3: We'll do what we can. But this is, you know,

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Speaker 3: I want to set expectations at the appropriate level, which

722
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Speaker 3: is what we're able to find at this late date

723
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Speaker 3: and who we're able to locate and get testimony from

724
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Speaker 3: is going to be difficult.

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Speaker 1: It is strange to me that there was a lot

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Speaker 1: of like leads that were never followed.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I can tell you that I'm disappointed.

728
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Speaker 3: Obviously I wasn't in the position, so I can't really

729
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Speaker 3: speculate as to why. I do know, there was some

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Speaker 3: communication at least in twenty nineteen between this office and

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Speaker 3: the Southern District of New York, the US Attorney's office there,

732
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Speaker 3: that effectively said, you know, pause what you're doing. The

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Speaker 3: federal government's going to take the lead on this investigation.

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Speaker 3: And so it's my understanding that back in twenty nineteen

735
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Speaker 3: at least this agency responded to that request from the

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Speaker 3: federal government which said, you know, we're going to take

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Speaker 3: the lead. Now. Why more wasn't done in the ten

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Speaker 3: years before that, I frankly don't know. I don't know

739
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Speaker 3: what kind of information they had or evidence that they had.

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Speaker 3: At this point, what we're trying to do is follow

741
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Speaker 3: every credible lead, speak to those survivors and witnesses who

742
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Speaker 3: are still willing and able to speak to us about

743
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Speaker 3: what transpired there, and do a thorough investigation, but one

744
00:41:36,640 --> 00:41:39,960
Speaker 3: that is obviously limited by the passage of time and

745
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Speaker 3: the loss of evidence. And so the only other thing

746
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Speaker 3: that I would flag for people is they are right

747
00:41:46,880 --> 00:41:50,719
Speaker 3: to be outraged by this criminal misconduct. They are right

748
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Speaker 3: to be shocked by the revelations in the Epstein files.

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Speaker 3: I just I hope people recognize that we have human

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Speaker 3: trafficking cases right now, right that are being perpetrated by

751
00:42:01,640 --> 00:42:04,239
Speaker 3: people that are not famous, that are not connected to

752
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Speaker 3: the White House. And part of my obligation is to

753
00:42:07,440 --> 00:42:11,160
Speaker 3: give those cases and those victims as much time and

754
00:42:11,239 --> 00:42:14,319
Speaker 3: its tension as we give to others. And so I

755
00:42:14,440 --> 00:42:17,920
Speaker 3: just hope that this interest in stopping human trafficking and

756
00:42:17,960 --> 00:42:21,960
Speaker 3: the sexual abuse of young girls and vulnerable people doesn't

757
00:42:22,000 --> 00:42:27,560
Speaker 3: disappear when this political firestorm disappears, because we have agents

758
00:42:27,560 --> 00:42:30,239
Speaker 3: and prosecutors that do this work all the time, and

759
00:42:30,680 --> 00:42:33,400
Speaker 3: they could certainly use more resources and more support and

760
00:42:33,480 --> 00:42:36,520
Speaker 3: more awareness in the public about this kind of behavior,

761
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Speaker 3: because it certainly didn't stop with Jeffrey Epstein. It's an

762
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Speaker 3: ongoing problem, it's an international problem. We really need to

763
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Speaker 3: pay attention to it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, it's funny because I comment this in

765
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Speaker 1: a different way, which is that we have come from

766
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Speaker 1: a culture where people just don't really give a fuck

767
00:42:53,880 --> 00:42:58,080
Speaker 1: about women and girls period paragraphs. So if this is

768
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Speaker 1: a case where for whatever we in people are interested,

769
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Speaker 1: he probably will be the largest sex trafficker in American history.

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Speaker 1: So just by sheer scale, you know, more than a

771
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Speaker 1: thousand women, and you think about, like so much of

772
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Speaker 1: the victims we see in regular everyday life tend to

773
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Speaker 1: be it's family members. It's often a sort of different calculus,

774
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Speaker 1: and so I almost feel like any attention, any sea

775
00:43:25,640 --> 00:43:29,279
Speaker 1: change is important. So even that some people are coming

776
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Speaker 1: to this from a partisan angle, or they're coming to

777
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Speaker 1: it because they like the QAnon like backstory, that if

778
00:43:35,480 --> 00:43:39,439
Speaker 1: you get people at least rooting for these women, it's

779
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Speaker 1: in itself a big change for the culture.

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Speaker 3: No, it's that's and that's my point is is if

781
00:43:45,440 --> 00:43:48,680
Speaker 3: people were motivated to focus on this for other reasons,

782
00:43:48,800 --> 00:43:50,920
Speaker 3: I just hope that they stay engaged and focus on it.

783
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Speaker 3: We had a case just last week in a small

784
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Speaker 3: town in New Mexico where a father was trafficking his

785
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Speaker 3: daughters as some as young as four and five, for drugs.

786
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Speaker 1: Right.

787
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Speaker 3: He was trafficking his girls to finance his drug habit.

788
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Speaker 3: That happens a lot. That happens all over America, and

789
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Speaker 3: it happens in ways that frankly are unseen by people

790
00:44:13,120 --> 00:44:15,840
Speaker 3: in their communities. They often think about that as something

791
00:44:15,880 --> 00:44:19,960
Speaker 3: that happens right on Jeffrey Epstein's Island or at Zoro Ranch,

792
00:44:20,080 --> 00:44:23,480
Speaker 3: or in these places that are way off in parts

793
00:44:23,560 --> 00:44:25,480
Speaker 3: of the world that they don't know anything about. And

794
00:44:25,560 --> 00:44:27,920
Speaker 3: what I hope this case does is open their eyes

795
00:44:27,920 --> 00:44:30,680
Speaker 3: to the fact that this is happening around them everywhere

796
00:44:30,719 --> 00:44:34,640
Speaker 3: all the time, and frontline law enforcement could really use

797
00:44:34,640 --> 00:44:37,600
Speaker 3: a lot more help and support and trying to educate people,

798
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Speaker 3: but also getting getting ahead of these things.

799
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Speaker 1: I wonder if we could talk about ICE, because ICE

800
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Speaker 1: was not in New Mexico, and then it was and

801
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Speaker 1: now it is, and I hear that like there's a

802
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Speaker 1: lot of engagement talk us through what ICE is doing

803
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Speaker 1: in New Mexico and what it looks like and have

804
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Speaker 1: disrupted of it is.

805
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Speaker 3: Well, look, I will say this, I'm a former federal prosecutor,

806
00:45:04,719 --> 00:45:07,440
Speaker 3: so I have sort of a different perspective on it.

807
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Speaker 3: When I would start by saying that ICE has been

808
00:45:09,600 --> 00:45:12,160
Speaker 3: operating here for a long long time. Right, They've been

809
00:45:12,160 --> 00:45:16,840
Speaker 3: doing investigations and removals, deportation proceedings and enforcement for a

810
00:45:16,960 --> 00:45:23,200
Speaker 3: very long time. Obviously, the brutal and inexcusable tactics that

811
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Speaker 3: we've seen by the Trump administration all over the country

812
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Speaker 3: and obviously in Minnesota has been absolutely horrific. Thankfully, we

813
00:45:30,800 --> 00:45:37,200
Speaker 3: have been spared from that kind of surge in enforcement operations.

814
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Speaker 3: But we're you know, we're prepared as a Blue States,

815
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Speaker 3: as a community that you know, resists a lot of

816
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Speaker 3: what is happening from the Trump administration. We're prepared for

817
00:45:48,520 --> 00:45:51,520
Speaker 3: the possibility that they come here and engage in those

818
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Speaker 3: tactics here. And I'm obviously in a position to push back.

819
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Speaker 3: As you know, my colleagues around the country have also,

820
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Speaker 3: Keith Ellison, Rob Bonta, Dan Rayfield in Oregon and others

821
00:46:02,040 --> 00:46:03,960
Speaker 3: have had to push back, and we'll do that. We'll

822
00:46:04,000 --> 00:46:06,160
Speaker 3: stand up and try and protect our people the best

823
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Speaker 3: we can, inform them of the rights, make sure people

824
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Speaker 3: understand the limits of federal power. We have thankfully been

825
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Speaker 3: spared the worst of it. And my hope is that

826
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Speaker 3: the Trump administration itself has learned that most people do

827
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Speaker 3: not support that kind of brutality and that kind of

828
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Speaker 3: unconstitutional and lawless behavior on American streets. So hopefully what

829
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Speaker 3: we've seen in Tom Homan's retreat or retrenchment in Minnesota

830
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Speaker 3: is marks the shift in the administration towards a sensible

831
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Speaker 3: and targeted policy. But we have to wait and see.

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Speaker 1: Do you think that there's any way to sort of

833
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Speaker 1: like put any kind of guardrails at the state level,

834
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Speaker 1: Like I've talked to Illinois people in the Illinois state ledge, like,

835
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Speaker 1: are there laws you can you know, pass that give

836
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Speaker 1: sort of like limit their immunity or make it so

837
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Speaker 1: there's more civil protections.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean my view is, for example, takes supremacy clause,

839
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Speaker 3: immunity and some of the other qualified immunity doctrines that

840
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Speaker 3: shield them both to a limited extent from certain types

841
00:47:14,320 --> 00:47:17,600
Speaker 3: of lawsuits or make it more difficult to prosecute them

842
00:47:17,600 --> 00:47:20,480
Speaker 3: for violations of state law. A lot of that is

843
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Speaker 3: built into federal precedent, Supreme Court precedent, and the like,

844
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Speaker 3: and so states don't have as much direct authority there

845
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Speaker 3: in terms of setting the standards of conduct and behavior

846
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Speaker 3: or also limiting the extent to which they can claim immunity.

847
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Speaker 3: You know, obviously JD. Vance is unfamiliar with criminal law

848
00:47:41,400 --> 00:47:44,000
Speaker 3: on the basics of constitution. When he comes out and

849
00:47:44,040 --> 00:47:47,160
Speaker 3: says that, you know, there's absolute immunity. That's not true,

850
00:47:47,200 --> 00:47:50,160
Speaker 3: that's never been true in this country. It is more

851
00:47:50,560 --> 00:47:55,120
Speaker 3: procedurally more complex to bring a case against a federal

852
00:47:55,120 --> 00:47:57,640
Speaker 3: agent for violating state law. But it can be done,

853
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Speaker 3: and certainly something that I would imagine will be looked

854
00:48:01,400 --> 00:48:05,120
Speaker 3: at in terms of those places where they've had fatalities

855
00:48:05,160 --> 00:48:09,160
Speaker 3: and they've had these really abusive tactics. I think it

856
00:48:09,200 --> 00:48:14,040
Speaker 3: is Congress, frankly, his overdue in regulating a lot of

857
00:48:14,080 --> 00:48:16,959
Speaker 3: this right when and again, I think we've talked about

858
00:48:17,000 --> 00:48:20,439
Speaker 3: this before on your show that when Joe Biden came in,

859
00:48:20,920 --> 00:48:24,960
Speaker 3: there was this assumption and a very dangerous assumption, that

860
00:48:25,040 --> 00:48:27,400
Speaker 3: Donald Trump was a one off, it was an aberration

861
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Speaker 3: and he wasn't going to come back. What happened is

862
00:48:30,120 --> 00:48:33,719
Speaker 3: there were a lot of changes to federal law that

863
00:48:33,760 --> 00:48:36,520
Speaker 3: could have happened, that should have happened, you know, getting

864
00:48:36,560 --> 00:48:40,200
Speaker 3: rid of the Alien Enemies Act, changing the way in

865
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Speaker 3: which the Insurrection Act operates, limiting the ability the president

866
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Speaker 3: to deploy these resources, conditioning federal funding on certain codes

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Speaker 3: of conduct and behavior and training. And none of that

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Speaker 3: the federal level. Unfortunately, I'm not sure that a lot

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Speaker 3: of that can be effectively done at the state level.

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 3: California tried to do some of that, it was struck

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Speaker 3: down by a federal judge, and I think you're going

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Speaker 3: saying it's not right for states to try and push

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Speaker 3: if there's any encroachment on their ability to manage elections. Right,

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Speaker 3: that is built into the Constitution, and there is a

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Speaker 1: Thank you, thank you, thank you, General torrez Malli.

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