WEBVTT - Death & Deceit in Alliance | 13. The Circling 0:00:00.080 --> 0:00:03.240 Previously on Death and Deceit in Alliance. 0:00:03.080 --> 0:00:06.400 And part of me feels like he would have been 0:00:06.519 --> 0:00:12.440 screaming this from the rooftops for a long time if 0:00:12.440 --> 0:00:13.800 that was really the case. 0:00:14.080 --> 0:00:22.400 What are the chances this kind man snaps because Yvonne 0:00:22.640 --> 0:00:24.000 just doesn't want to have sex with him. 0:00:24.200 --> 0:00:26.680 I mean, if I'm sitting here right now, I think 0:00:26.720 --> 0:00:28.360 that Joe had Yeah. 0:00:30.400 --> 0:00:32.839 I think it's tough just to get the words out 0:00:32.840 --> 0:00:33.160 of it. 0:00:33.200 --> 0:00:34.040 I just don't know what to do. 0:00:34.280 --> 0:00:35.000 I don't know what to do. 0:00:35.040 --> 0:00:37.559 I feel like I got like up, I feel like 0:00:37.600 --> 0:00:41.560 I got emotional. I don't know, I'd feel really confused. 0:00:41.800 --> 0:00:44.880 This is emotional word with people's lives. 0:00:45.120 --> 0:00:56.880 I really confused. This is death and Deceit and Alliance 0:00:57.280 --> 0:01:02.760 a real time investigation into whether David Thorne killed Yvonne Lane. 0:01:03.400 --> 0:01:04.320 I'm Maggie freeling. 0:01:08.480 --> 0:01:12.520 Can you describe to me on the take here how 0:01:12.600 --> 0:01:15.520 he treated you on so many incidents that happened while 0:01:15.520 --> 0:01:16.039 you were dating. 0:01:17.160 --> 0:01:20.240 You're worrying, very gressive, very do you? 0:01:20.400 --> 0:01:25.080 Since this is David's ex girlfriend Angie talking to the police. 0:01:25.520 --> 0:01:28.880 She dated David for five years just before David dated 0:01:29.000 --> 0:01:34.000 Yvonne Lane, Angie told police about her harrowing relationship with 0:01:34.080 --> 0:01:34.760 David Thorn. 0:01:35.240 --> 0:01:38.479 One incident will be we got in a big fight 0:01:40.040 --> 0:01:44.000 when you're driving down the road and separate vehicle. He 0:01:44.160 --> 0:01:46.760 got out in his car, pulled a gun on me, 0:01:47.520 --> 0:01:50.880 shout out all four tires in my car, told me 0:01:50.920 --> 0:01:53.720 that I stop the fucking car. He's gonna blow my 0:01:53.800 --> 0:01:58.240 head off. So I did stop the car. The neighbors 0:01:58.280 --> 0:02:00.720 were screaming, frantic, way to call a car because he's 0:02:00.760 --> 0:02:01.320 gonna kill me. 0:02:04.720 --> 0:02:06.760 Another incident would be when. 0:02:08.280 --> 0:02:11.560 We got another big fight and he had me down 0:02:11.600 --> 0:02:13.960 on the bed starting morning mechoking me. 0:02:14.840 --> 0:02:17.440 I could actually feel myself. 0:02:18.960 --> 0:02:23.120 Moving that Petica castle out, so I kicked on that 0:02:23.320 --> 0:02:24.880 away from me and then I left. 0:02:25.919 --> 0:02:28.119 At the beginning of this show, I said I had 0:02:28.200 --> 0:02:31.160 never heard a bad thing about David Thorne, the man 0:02:31.200 --> 0:02:34.399 sentenced to life without parole for the murder of Yvonne. 0:02:34.880 --> 0:02:37.080 The image I'd built up of David in my mind 0:02:37.280 --> 0:02:40.200 was of a nice, good looking twenty something guy who 0:02:40.320 --> 0:02:43.640 liked to help people, was always cheerful, always making jokes. 0:02:43.960 --> 0:02:45.960 He and others said he got along well with his 0:02:46.000 --> 0:02:49.160 ex girlfriend, Yvonne, the mother of his son. The custody 0:02:49.200 --> 0:02:52.320 agent at trials said their shared arrangement was working just 0:02:52.480 --> 0:02:55.680 fine and he was paying support. But then I came 0:02:55.720 --> 0:02:59.200 across Angie. I listened to Angie's interview with the police. 0:02:59.520 --> 0:03:04.360 It shocked me. She proceeded to tell numerous other stories too, 0:03:04.520 --> 0:03:08.280 like one about David smashing her face into a steering 0:03:08.280 --> 0:03:11.760 wheel by her banana clip and an altercation David had 0:03:11.800 --> 0:03:15.000 with her dad. Angie's interview painted a picture of David 0:03:15.080 --> 0:03:18.919 that I was unaware of. A hothead, someone who, if 0:03:18.960 --> 0:03:24.000 Angie's accounts are true, could be violent, very violent to women. 0:03:24.880 --> 0:03:26.560 When's that you start? 0:03:26.680 --> 0:03:26.960 David? 0:03:28.919 --> 0:03:31.760 January nineteen ninety nine. 0:03:31.080 --> 0:03:32.920 Two months before Yvonne was murdered. 0:03:33.200 --> 0:03:36.560 Oh, and what content did you see him? 0:03:36.600 --> 0:03:38.360 I worked at a host warm and he come into 0:03:38.480 --> 0:03:42.040 my form to get his haircut and love talking to 0:03:42.080 --> 0:03:46.520 me about wanting custody of his form. And then he 0:03:46.600 --> 0:03:49.720 had to prove Yevonne and Wayne as an unfit mother 0:03:49.800 --> 0:03:51.440 so that he could get custody of the phone. 0:03:52.360 --> 0:03:55.720 Another person, along with Sam Peg, Joe Wilke's good friend, 0:03:56.000 --> 0:03:59.520 who said that David wanted custody of his son. And 0:03:59.600 --> 0:04:03.280 then we found another person, a friend of David's, who 0:04:03.400 --> 0:04:07.080 told us he remembered times when David was out of control, 0:04:07.320 --> 0:04:11.280 particularly road rage incidents. He told us one time a 0:04:11.320 --> 0:04:14.080 guy got out of his car and started yelling at David. 0:04:14.520 --> 0:04:17.680 David's friend told us David grabbed the other guy's lip 0:04:17.760 --> 0:04:21.599 and took off driving. It's unclear if he actually dragged 0:04:21.600 --> 0:04:24.359 the guy down the road. Not that any of this 0:04:24.440 --> 0:04:27.560 makes him a murderer, but it certainly paints a different 0:04:27.600 --> 0:04:31.520 picture of David than I had previously imagined. These stories 0:04:31.520 --> 0:04:34.839 depict David as someone who can be reckless and violent, 0:04:35.160 --> 0:04:38.600 and it's something we may never have known if we 0:04:38.680 --> 0:04:43.480 didn't stumble on Antie's files. Sue and David certainly were 0:04:43.520 --> 0:04:46.800 not forthcoming about any of this. He was the All 0:04:46.839 --> 0:04:48.120 American choir boy. 0:04:49.240 --> 0:04:51.320 Have you heard about our annoyance? 0:04:51.600 --> 0:04:51.760 Yes? 0:04:53.080 --> 0:04:54.440 And what did you think? 0:04:55.960 --> 0:04:58.240 My first reaction is, oh my god, I'm glad it 0:04:58.279 --> 0:05:02.800 willn't me. And he hate definitely capable of it. I've 0:05:02.880 --> 0:05:03.280 seen it. 0:05:04.120 --> 0:05:05.880 I'm sure I have him. 0:05:06.480 --> 0:05:11.359 Remember, David's credibility is crucial, and so far he hasn't 0:05:11.440 --> 0:05:15.320 been completely honest. He never told me he had a 0:05:15.360 --> 0:05:18.919 girlfriend right before his girlfriend was murdered, who made serious 0:05:19.120 --> 0:05:23.039 abuse allegations against him. In fairness, though I didn't ask him, 0:05:23.400 --> 0:05:26.080 and if they're not true, I could see how he 0:05:26.120 --> 0:05:29.240 wouldn't want to bring attention to it. But there were 0:05:29.360 --> 0:05:33.599 also all the other allegations, So it was time for 0:05:33.640 --> 0:05:38.520 the professionals to finally meet with David. What would you 0:05:38.520 --> 0:05:41.840 tell John and Danny about his capacity for violence? 0:05:45.760 --> 0:05:50.880 We've already found some things that aren't very flattering about 0:05:50.960 --> 0:05:54.520 David that we that he's never disclosed, and I want 0:05:54.560 --> 0:05:56.880 to give him the opportunity to tell us things that 0:05:56.880 --> 0:06:00.359 we already know, just to see if he's going to 0:06:00.400 --> 0:06:07.320 be remotely forthcoming. You know, I think there's a lot 0:06:07.320 --> 0:06:11.600 of questions that have never been asked of him, So 0:06:12.279 --> 0:06:14.000 we're going to have to ask him some of those 0:06:15.120 --> 0:06:17.479 those about who he was at the time. I don't 0:06:17.520 --> 0:06:19.720 want him to try to bullshit us. 0:06:19.960 --> 0:06:24.039 They wanted to know about the real David Good, Bad, Ugly. 0:06:24.440 --> 0:06:26.720 The guys told him this point blank in one of 0:06:26.760 --> 0:06:29.400 their previous phone conversations before the visit. 0:06:29.480 --> 0:06:32.039 Here's my thoughts. We approached hims like, if we were 0:06:32.720 --> 0:06:37.279 the prosecutors, knowing that this is coming, what would we 0:06:37.400 --> 0:06:44.520 be out doing to attack what investigators John and mag 0:06:44.680 --> 0:06:46.039 and Daney are coming up with? 0:06:46.120 --> 0:06:48.200 Right now, yeah, let's just pretend. 0:06:48.960 --> 0:06:51.760 Basically, they told David that in order to help him, 0:06:51.880 --> 0:06:54.480 they needed to know everything so that there are no 0:06:54.600 --> 0:06:59.719 surprises that could hinder his investigation and potential case, for example, 0:07:00.160 --> 0:07:04.440 properly preparing for attacks and character assassinations if he goes 0:07:04.480 --> 0:07:08.480 back to court. Maybe if I had point blank asked David, 0:07:08.720 --> 0:07:11.880 have you ever been violent with anyone? He would have 0:07:11.960 --> 0:07:15.200 told me about some of this. So maybe when the 0:07:15.240 --> 0:07:18.520 guys do ask those questions point blank, he will tell 0:07:18.560 --> 0:07:20.800 them the truth so we can all move past it 0:07:20.880 --> 0:07:24.680 and to points of actual innocence. But they needed to 0:07:24.680 --> 0:07:37.680 hear that from David first. They needed him to be honest. 0:07:38.160 --> 0:07:44.320 I do want him to not bullshit us with who 0:07:44.360 --> 0:07:47.440 he was back then. So if he out of the gate, 0:07:49.320 --> 0:07:53.120 you know, tells us things that he was involved in, 0:07:53.240 --> 0:07:56.120 things that we know about, things that we don't know about, 0:07:57.880 --> 0:08:01.160 then I'll be more apt to listen to him as 0:08:01.160 --> 0:08:02.960 he's telling us things about this case. 0:08:09.480 --> 0:08:11.480 We arrive at the prison and the guys go in, 0:08:11.680 --> 0:08:14.680 leaving me in the rental car once again. While waiting, 0:08:14.760 --> 0:08:17.760 I take a joy ride. The area around prison is 0:08:17.840 --> 0:08:22.200 actually quite beautiful, and that's always struck me prisons are 0:08:22.320 --> 0:08:26.640 usually in rural, tucked away places, intentionally hard to get 0:08:26.680 --> 0:08:30.480 to and hidden from the world. The guy's finally surfaced 0:08:30.480 --> 0:08:33.120 a few hours later and hopped in the car. Danny 0:08:33.360 --> 0:08:35.520 noticed I drove. I was driving. 0:08:37.600 --> 0:08:39.880 She's like three feet tall, Danny. Of course it's going 0:08:39.960 --> 0:08:40.559 to be different. 0:08:40.760 --> 0:08:43.240 Listen, I didn't move the other mirrors. I was really 0:08:43.280 --> 0:08:45.560 trying to be respectful of Danny's driving. 0:08:46.000 --> 0:08:49.880 You're fine, you can get out of Danny Danny table. Okay, 0:08:49.960 --> 0:08:50.600 So what happened? 0:08:50.600 --> 0:08:57.200 Tell me everything. Unlike the visit with Joe, with David, 0:08:57.320 --> 0:09:00.640 the guys were actually able to take notes an official 0:09:00.720 --> 0:09:05.240 legal visit, meaning note taking was allowed last time. Remember, 0:09:05.320 --> 0:09:08.000 John and Danny had to relate everything back to me 0:09:08.440 --> 0:09:12.720 from their memory. So where did he say he was 0:09:12.760 --> 0:09:14.800 the thirty first? When Joe says he was brought to 0:09:14.800 --> 0:09:16.880 them all by fish, right, that's what he told me, 0:09:17.280 --> 0:09:20.400 buying fish. Yeah, remember that on the thirty first, the 0:09:20.520 --> 0:09:23.600 day we believe Yvonne was murdered. According to David's work 0:09:23.679 --> 0:09:26.520 time card, he got off work at around twelve twenty 0:09:26.640 --> 0:09:31.320 nine pm, earlier than usual. David's grandfather testified that David 0:09:31.320 --> 0:09:34.160 got home from work around four PM that day, So 0:09:34.480 --> 0:09:38.880 what was David doing from twelve thirty to four? David 0:09:38.960 --> 0:09:42.080 said he was buying fish and cleaning big cat cages, 0:09:42.400 --> 0:09:46.839 something that wasn't able to be cooperated and the prosecution 0:09:47.000 --> 0:09:50.040 said during this time, David was bringing Joe to the 0:09:50.080 --> 0:09:52.960 mall to get his hotel room, and Joe has said 0:09:52.960 --> 0:09:55.880 that too in certain versions of his events. 0:09:56.280 --> 0:09:58.920 He acknowledged that he would have left at noon that day, 0:10:01.280 --> 0:10:04.520 but can't explain anything really again, until. 0:10:04.880 --> 0:10:07.560 The guys continued to ask David about the thirty first, 0:10:07.800 --> 0:10:10.760 the night Yvonne was murdered. They wanted David to tell 0:10:10.800 --> 0:10:14.079 them how he and Joe wound up together that evening, because, 0:10:14.120 --> 0:10:17.920 remember the Enox testified Joe and David were together around 0:10:17.960 --> 0:10:21.760 five pm in the Enox driveway with the Lion cub 0:10:21.960 --> 0:10:25.560 before David went to shoot fighting and Brett Enoch drove 0:10:25.679 --> 0:10:29.120 Joe to the mall. No matter how many times or 0:10:29.200 --> 0:10:33.240 ways the guys said they asked, David continually left out 0:10:33.320 --> 0:10:36.240 that he was with Joe at least briefly on the 0:10:36.280 --> 0:10:38.959 thirty first, the day Yvonne was murdered. 0:10:39.520 --> 0:10:42.160 And then we're like, well, wait a second, you're in 0:10:42.160 --> 0:10:45.440 the Enox front yard with a fucking cat? How did 0:10:45.440 --> 0:10:46.480 that happen if Joe? 0:10:46.800 --> 0:10:49.840 David had repeatedly told me that he wasn't really friends 0:10:49.840 --> 0:10:52.960 with Joe. Mainly he said he was only with Joe 0:10:52.960 --> 0:10:55.360 when he saw him around town asking for a ride. 0:10:55.840 --> 0:10:59.319 But we also found some incident reports of David's run 0:10:59.360 --> 0:11:02.479 ins with the law, and one even mentions Joe Wilkes 0:11:02.520 --> 0:11:07.000 being present. It seems like David knew Joe much better 0:11:07.280 --> 0:11:08.679 than just a guy around town. 0:11:08.840 --> 0:11:11.400 Yeah, he just wanted to minimize how much he knew 0:11:11.440 --> 0:11:14.080 Joe's life and how much he was around Joe. 0:11:14.200 --> 0:11:17.520 The tactic was to make sure he knew we knew 0:11:18.000 --> 0:11:21.960 you are with Joe the evening that Ivonne later dies. 0:11:22.360 --> 0:11:24.680 The guys told me, Once David realized he could not 0:11:24.920 --> 0:11:27.880 get around being with Joe the evening of the thirty first, 0:11:28.440 --> 0:11:32.120 he then incorporated Joe back into the story. 0:11:32.760 --> 0:11:36.599 Then he goes and he's at the drive through of 0:11:37.400 --> 0:11:41.640 bo Bob's Whore What at Bob's Fizza? And he looks 0:11:41.720 --> 0:11:43.760 up and all of a sudden, there's Joe waving at 0:11:43.840 --> 0:11:47.120 him and says, hey, you know what are you doing? Oh? 0:11:47.280 --> 0:11:49.520 This is where I'm staying. Here's the driveway, pull in here, 0:11:49.559 --> 0:11:52.000 and he said, I had no idea that he was 0:11:52.000 --> 0:11:54.280 staying at the Enix. It was pure coincidence. 0:11:54.440 --> 0:11:56.920 In the past, when David explained how he wound up 0:11:56.920 --> 0:12:00.360 with Joe that evening, his official written out timeline was 0:12:00.400 --> 0:12:03.480 that he just saw him walking and picked him up. 0:12:04.040 --> 0:12:07.559 No mention of Bob's pizza. Could he be confused, Sure, 0:12:08.040 --> 0:12:09.880 but it's hard for me to get past that. If 0:12:09.880 --> 0:12:13.360 you're innocent, you don't know backwards and forwards the day 0:12:13.400 --> 0:12:16.680 that ruined your life exactly to a t what you 0:12:16.720 --> 0:12:20.400 were doing, especially when you were brought into the police 0:12:20.440 --> 0:12:24.400 station two days later as a person of interest. This 0:12:24.559 --> 0:12:29.200 was not weeks later. I believe that story would solidify 0:12:29.400 --> 0:12:30.160 in your brain. 0:12:30.520 --> 0:12:33.559 You know, we know memories aren't tape recorders. Just tell 0:12:33.640 --> 0:12:40.719 us what you do remember And. 0:12:38.320 --> 0:12:44.160 And he left out the person that is responsible for 0:12:44.280 --> 0:12:49.880 him sitting in that jail. He completely without prompting, he 0:12:50.000 --> 0:12:51.840 was not going to bring up the fact that he 0:12:51.960 --> 0:12:53.679 was with Joe at the Enix. 0:12:53.760 --> 0:12:57.800 Yeah, they asked David about what Sam Peig said. Remember, 0:12:57.880 --> 0:13:00.320 she's one of Joe's best friends, and she told us 0:13:00.360 --> 0:13:03.839 that Joe had repeatedly told her before the murder that 0:13:04.000 --> 0:13:07.079 David wanted Yvonne gone. 0:13:12.640 --> 0:13:14.960 You know, some weeks leading up to the murder, Joe 0:13:15.040 --> 0:13:17.880 was saying that you were telling him that you wanted of. 0:13:17.920 --> 0:13:19.840 On gone It's. 0:13:21.160 --> 0:13:23.360 And I said, a point blank did that happen? No? 0:13:23.960 --> 0:13:25.920 That was the other place where I put in my notes. 0:13:25.960 --> 0:13:28.679 He said no, and then he immediately goes into how 0:13:28.720 --> 0:13:32.720 pitiful Joe is, And so I wrote my notes, changed 0:13:32.760 --> 0:13:33.520 subject quickly. 0:13:34.160 --> 0:13:36.560 So the guy's pivoted to the test. 0:13:37.040 --> 0:13:39.240 So I said, okay, who are you before all of 0:13:39.280 --> 0:13:41.880 this happened, you know, and one to tell him to 0:13:41.920 --> 0:13:44.000 tell us good things, which he did, only tell us 0:13:44.080 --> 0:13:46.440 good things. I was a great friend. I was loyal, 0:13:46.520 --> 0:13:47.920 you know, you know, I could be a little bit 0:13:47.920 --> 0:13:50.560 of a knuckleab whatever. And so they're like, okay, well, 0:13:50.559 --> 0:13:51.240 what trouble did? 0:13:51.400 --> 0:13:52.160 Was there any trouble? 0:13:52.240 --> 0:13:56.360 I got a few speeding tickets, Danny, you know, says 0:13:56.400 --> 0:13:59.000 little tell us about this broken window thing and. 0:13:59.120 --> 0:14:00.920 One of the incident reports we found. 0:14:01.520 --> 0:14:04.120 Then he tells us about that, and you know, we 0:14:04.240 --> 0:14:07.120 go on and and well what else, you know, what 0:14:07.240 --> 0:14:11.960 other kind of stuff did you get into? And you know, 0:14:12.800 --> 0:14:17.199 every fucking thing that we mentioned, Well, what about you? Know, 0:14:17.400 --> 0:14:19.600 did you did you kick somebody's door? Oh yeah, I 0:14:19.640 --> 0:14:19.880 did that. 0:14:20.560 --> 0:14:24.360 When it wasn't offering, we had to hit him with 0:14:24.400 --> 0:14:25.080 what we knew. 0:14:25.320 --> 0:14:27.160 Yes, and once he knew. 0:14:26.920 --> 0:14:28.840 We knew, then he did, oh yeah, that's true. 0:14:29.000 --> 0:14:29.280 Yeah. 0:14:29.360 --> 0:14:33.400 And if it's like, okay, what else, well did you 0:14:33.400 --> 0:14:35.520 you know you grab somebody's lip? 0:14:35.600 --> 0:14:37.760 And oh yeah, I did do that, the guy said. 0:14:37.760 --> 0:14:40.080 Once they told him that he did it and they 0:14:40.120 --> 0:14:43.040 knew he did, then he'd admit to these things. But 0:14:43.440 --> 0:14:45.640 it was always someone else's fault. 0:14:46.440 --> 0:14:47.200 It's never him. 0:14:47.320 --> 0:14:48.640 It's always somebody else. 0:14:48.440 --> 0:14:52.240 That's exactly right and everything. It can't be always somebody. 0:14:51.920 --> 0:14:56.000 Exactly every every altercation that we were able to pull 0:14:56.040 --> 0:15:00.840 out of him, it was somebody else's fault. You know, I. 0:15:02.840 --> 0:15:04.600 Just kind of key on. 0:15:05.880 --> 0:15:13.120 It was really something to me that we gave him 0:15:13.160 --> 0:15:16.280 plenty of opportunities, like, dude, good, bad or ugly, you know, 0:15:16.480 --> 0:15:19.440 tell us what your life was like, what you were 0:15:19.440 --> 0:15:21.960 involved in, any trouble you got in. I got a 0:15:21.960 --> 0:15:25.480 few speeding tickets, and that was all he was going 0:15:25.560 --> 0:15:30.600 to say. He didn't volunteer a single thing, did he 0:15:31.040 --> 0:15:33.480 As far as like any of those incidents. 0:15:33.040 --> 0:15:35.320 I'm going to play chunks of the conversation we had, 0:15:35.520 --> 0:15:38.120 but know that we were driving in the background. Noise 0:15:38.200 --> 0:15:40.280 changes from one moment to the next. 0:15:40.560 --> 0:15:43.960 Still, everything that we got out of him was because 0:15:44.040 --> 0:15:48.800 we knew ahead of time what these accusations were. He 0:15:48.840 --> 0:15:51.760 did not volunteer a motherfucking things. 0:15:52.000 --> 0:15:55.440 Like prosecutors are taught, never ask a question that you 0:15:55.480 --> 0:15:56.640 don't already know the answer. 0:15:56.720 --> 0:15:59.120 Yeah, yeah, that's what we did. 0:15:59.280 --> 0:16:02.560 It only as we asked, did he give them yep. 0:16:02.720 --> 0:16:04.120 Only he was. 0:16:04.080 --> 0:16:06.040 Going to leave it as I got a few speeding tickets. 0:16:06.560 --> 0:16:09.160 That was that. 0:16:09.160 --> 0:16:11.880 That's where he wanted to leave it. That was his answer. 0:16:12.440 --> 0:16:12.960 Yeah. 0:16:13.000 --> 0:16:16.120 And we even let a let a pause sit there 0:16:16.160 --> 0:16:19.680 for a little bit where nobody said anything like what 0:16:19.760 --> 0:16:21.600 about shooting out the car? Yeah, I had to do that. 0:16:21.920 --> 0:16:25.080 Remember the allegation from his ex girlfriend Angie that he 0:16:25.280 --> 0:16:27.720 shot out her four tires. 0:16:27.920 --> 0:16:32.400 Only one time, only one tires and it was my car. 0:16:33.120 --> 0:16:34.240 But he did. 0:16:34.320 --> 0:16:40.040 He denied choking her, he denied pulling her hair and 0:16:40.160 --> 0:16:41.080 hitting her head into the. 0:16:41.000 --> 0:16:46.600 Steeas he denied it all. I felt defeated. I'd put 0:16:46.720 --> 0:16:49.320 so much time into this and so much of my 0:16:49.440 --> 0:16:54.280 credibility and emotion, But this time at least I was 0:16:54.320 --> 0:16:56.680 ready for it. I asked the guys to give it 0:16:56.680 --> 0:17:00.840 to me straight. Did they think they could take David's case? 0:17:03.200 --> 0:17:05.040 You know, you know when you leave an interview and 0:17:05.080 --> 0:17:08.200 you feel like you've shared more information than the person 0:17:08.240 --> 0:17:12.639 who's fighting for their life, there's a reason behind that, 0:17:13.359 --> 0:17:14.359 and we he is. 0:17:14.280 --> 0:17:15.920 There or is he an idiot? 0:17:15.960 --> 0:17:16.320 Could be? 0:17:16.520 --> 0:17:22.320 I mean, you know, David's a charismatic guy and a 0:17:22.359 --> 0:17:25.400 slick talker, but I'm not going to say that he's 0:17:25.400 --> 0:17:31.560 a brain surgeon. You know he's because you know, I 0:17:31.600 --> 0:17:32.359 don't know, Well, are. 0:17:32.280 --> 0:17:34.639 You picking up on these David Koresh vibes. 0:17:35.280 --> 0:17:38.920 I've picked up on this vibe, the flutter and the grin. 0:17:40.040 --> 0:17:41.200 He's not having to. 0:17:41.119 --> 0:17:44.320 Make direct contact with someone because I feel like that's 0:17:44.400 --> 0:17:50.879 his way with him handling uncomfortable or sensitive discussions. He 0:17:52.160 --> 0:17:55.040 did it throughout that interview because he was so by 0:17:55.080 --> 0:17:58.960 the first ten minutes, twenty minutes, it was so obvious 0:17:59.040 --> 0:18:04.399 to me that as things first twenty minutes we were 0:18:04.440 --> 0:18:05.439 talking about prison. 0:18:05.720 --> 0:18:06.520 Yeah, yeah, it was. 0:18:07.320 --> 0:18:10.800 But as we started to engage in sensitive areas and 0:18:10.840 --> 0:18:14.919 I watched his facial mannerisms, that was like, it's almost 0:18:15.040 --> 0:18:19.040 like watching someone on a polygraph, on a control question, 0:18:19.560 --> 0:18:20.000 and then a. 0:18:22.040 --> 0:18:22.879 Rational question. 0:18:23.000 --> 0:18:23.119 Right. 0:18:23.160 --> 0:18:25.960 I mean, it's easy to say, yes, my name is Danny, 0:18:27.040 --> 0:18:29.840 Yes I'm from Austin, Texas or whatever. But then did 0:18:29.880 --> 0:18:32.320 you kill her? It was the same way when we 0:18:32.359 --> 0:18:36.720 got into sensitive areas. His head would drop a little bit, 0:18:37.160 --> 0:18:40.600 his eyes would flow, its blinking was delayed, and he 0:18:40.640 --> 0:18:44.120 would grin as he gave this, oh that snow, big 0:18:44.160 --> 0:18:47.560 deal kind of answer. Did you notice it like that job? 0:18:47.680 --> 0:18:48.160 Yeah? I did. 0:18:48.760 --> 0:18:54.160 So you're saying that's weird. And it wasn't only that 0:18:54.280 --> 0:18:57.160 David couldn't be straight about his violent past. 0:18:58.080 --> 0:19:03.400 He could produce nothing, could not be refuge our suspicions. 0:19:05.080 --> 0:19:08.640 Our biggest issue is we could never detach Joe from 0:19:08.840 --> 0:19:12.080 Vonn's house. And we know that at five o'clock that night, 0:19:12.480 --> 0:19:16.120 you were with Joe, as shitty as he was, as 0:19:16.240 --> 0:19:19.119 messed up as his life was. At five o'clock, you 0:19:19.160 --> 0:19:20.919 were in the front yard of the home he was 0:19:20.960 --> 0:19:24.040 living in, showing off a tiger, and a few hours 0:19:24.119 --> 0:19:27.080 later she's dead. That's our problem. 0:19:27.680 --> 0:19:29.080 Yeah, and what did you say? 0:19:30.359 --> 0:19:31.119 He had nothing? 0:19:31.520 --> 0:19:31.840 Nothing? 0:19:31.920 --> 0:19:32.520 He had nothing. 0:19:32.920 --> 0:19:35.720 I had hoped when the guys met David, he'd fight 0:19:35.800 --> 0:19:39.240 for his life with everything he had to prove his innocence. 0:19:39.960 --> 0:19:43.440 But that doesn't seem like what happened at all. 0:19:44.359 --> 0:19:44.560 You know. 0:19:44.680 --> 0:19:47.680 I don't want to make it all sound bad and 0:19:47.840 --> 0:19:51.840 horrible or anything like that, but there the overall thing 0:19:52.080 --> 0:19:59.720 was not really good. He knows what's happening right now. 0:20:00.119 --> 0:20:05.560 He knows that he's got to be forthcoming. I made 0:20:05.600 --> 0:20:07.560 that clear to him from the very beginning. 0:20:07.640 --> 0:20:10.320 And he wasn't. So that led the guys to a 0:20:10.359 --> 0:20:15.480 conclusion about whether they can continue the investigation, continue to 0:20:15.560 --> 0:20:17.960 invest time and money. 0:20:17.680 --> 0:20:21.200 Answer those questions. I told him that straight up. 0:20:22.080 --> 0:20:27.520 You just weren't truthful. Yeah, you omitted information. We can't 0:20:27.520 --> 0:20:28.800 do it if you're going to be like that. 0:20:29.000 --> 0:20:32.159 And it never would have even come up. He would have, 0:20:32.600 --> 0:20:35.160 you know, had had the three of us not been 0:20:35.200 --> 0:20:37.240 on the ground and learn what we learned. And there's 0:20:37.359 --> 0:20:41.440 part of me that wants to take up for Joe if, 0:20:41.480 --> 0:20:43.560 in my heart of hearts, I believe that David had 0:20:43.600 --> 0:20:45.240 something to do with that. Part of me wants to 0:20:45.280 --> 0:20:50.480 take up for Joe because you know, everybody believes in 0:20:50.560 --> 0:20:55.360 David and Joe's the bad guy, and if David had 0:20:55.400 --> 0:20:58.440 something to do with that that's completely unfair to Joe. 0:20:58.720 --> 0:21:03.280 Then you know what's next. There's always a bombshell. The 0:21:03.280 --> 0:21:16.320 guys told me some information that floored me. David always 0:21:16.359 --> 0:21:19.960 gave me the impression he didn't know about Yvonne's sex 0:21:20.040 --> 0:21:23.680 work until trial. But then I saw his girlfriend's grand 0:21:23.760 --> 0:21:28.320 jury testimony saying David told her Yvonne quote had a 0:21:28.400 --> 0:21:32.000 drug problem and was a quote prostitute. And there's also 0:21:32.200 --> 0:21:36.040 David's grandfather telling the grand jury quote she was a 0:21:36.160 --> 0:21:40.400 high priced call girl. I circled back to David. How 0:21:40.480 --> 0:21:43.360 could people in his life know about the sex work 0:21:43.440 --> 0:21:47.560 if he himself hadn't told them about it. He said, okay, 0:21:47.640 --> 0:21:51.439 he knew, but only after they broke up. It seemed 0:21:51.560 --> 0:21:54.720 we were both confused, so I never could get a 0:21:54.760 --> 0:21:57.800 clear answer. But I never really thought it was important, 0:21:58.240 --> 0:22:01.679 just odd, so I let it be. But because it 0:22:01.760 --> 0:22:04.119 was odd, I mentioned it to the guys and they 0:22:04.160 --> 0:22:07.040 figured if it was odd to me, maybe it meant something. 0:22:07.520 --> 0:22:09.880 So they asked David the sex work and stuff. 0:22:10.040 --> 0:22:12.679 Oh, he knew all about that. He took her to 0:22:13.160 --> 0:22:15.920 He took her to West Virginia because she was going 0:22:15.920 --> 0:22:19.360 to be an escort at these things. What the fucking 0:22:19.440 --> 0:22:21.600 full well, knowing full well that's what she was going 0:22:21.600 --> 0:22:21.960 to do. 0:22:22.200 --> 0:22:24.679 But yes, he was like, yeah, I just like I 0:22:24.760 --> 0:22:26.520 know she's doing. He's going to drop her off and 0:22:27.160 --> 0:22:28.320 just get it out of my mind. 0:22:28.920 --> 0:22:31.680 The guys said that he told them he knew exactly 0:22:31.920 --> 0:22:34.320 why she was going, and when they asked how he 0:22:34.359 --> 0:22:37.399