Speaker 1: The numbers told the story they always do. It's one
Speaker 1: of those idiots who believe in the analytics.
Speaker 2: This is a numbers game with Gil Alexander, Good Monday
Speaker 2: Morning to It is a numbers game at Visa v Sports,
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Speaker 2: YouTube TV, and of course the DK Network. It's Gil Alexander,
Speaker 2: It's Kelly Bidlin live from bar Canada at the d How.
Speaker 1: You do it good? Just peachey, my friend, How are
Speaker 1: you doing?
Speaker 2: I'm doing very well. What was your millions record yesterday?
Speaker 1: Three and three and one with Seahawks pending? But I
Speaker 1: had the Colts as the one, So.
Speaker 2: Get away from me, hod On. At what point here
Speaker 2: are you like actually thinking to yourself this could be something?
Speaker 2: Because aren't you like nineteen and five? Right now? Ask
Speaker 2: me three?
Speaker 1: Ask me in two months?
Speaker 2: Man.
Speaker 1: I mean I don't have any chance at the quarter.
Speaker 2: I forget the quarter. I'm talking about the big whole thing. Man.
Speaker 1: So what was I eleven and four? So I fourteen
Speaker 1: and five?
Speaker 2: All right, fourteen and five, I'm sorry, fourteen skipped ahead?
Speaker 2: Fourteenth five? All right, n I'll get back to you
Speaker 2: in a few weeks. Nice job on your part. Thanks,
Speaker 2: I'm just in your drift. No A, it's all I'm doing.
Speaker 2: It's one of those we.
Speaker 1: Talk about all the time. That's a record, that is
Speaker 1: a sick NFL record.
Speaker 2: But when it comes to a contest, doesn't freaking matter.
Speaker 2: You keep doing fourteen and fives, you'll be all right.
Speaker 2: This is guessing lines. For those who are new to
Speaker 2: the show, what we do here Mondays during the football
Speaker 2: season is we have our first insects. We go through
Speaker 2: every game that went that has gone by the previous
Speaker 2: Sunday yesterday the National Football League, and in doing so
Speaker 2: we will then guess lines for the upcoming games. And
Speaker 2: in that process, oftentimes this year it seems like every
Speaker 2: time it's our best instinct. Witnessed the Jaguars as the
Speaker 2: biggest difference I had between the line yesterday and the
Speaker 2: actual game line of the Jaguars roll the Falcons in London,
Speaker 2: which we will get to when we talk about those teams.
Speaker 2: And it's not just about really what my guesses are,
Speaker 2: it's about you doing it yourself at home. It's a
Speaker 2: great way to start your handicapping week. You don't have
Speaker 2: to lock into it, but your first instincts are something
Speaker 2: that you should always note. I think anyway, historically on
Speaker 2: this show, dating back to when Chrissy and I did this,
Speaker 2: this was alway was the thing. And appreciate all the
Speaker 2: downloads for this in the megapod humbled By. It seems
Speaker 2: to still resonate with everybody year after year, week after week.
Speaker 2: So we began, well, first of all, let me just
Speaker 2: say the Survivor. Let's just get that out of the way.
Speaker 2: Remember how last week before the weekend, I said, oh,
Speaker 2: ninety nine and a half entries my over under, and
Speaker 2: then it was like, you know, two thousand got knocked out,
Speaker 2: ninety two yesterday or this week so far, So this
Speaker 2: was the week I should have said that ninety two.
Speaker 2: Really from the beginning of the pool, one percent of
Speaker 2: the entire pool that entered Circus Survivor this year got
Speaker 2: knocked out yesterday. So we're still over two thousand entries.
Speaker 2: No one, I think a couple people have the I
Speaker 2: think one person has that. You know, two people have
Speaker 2: the Seahawks. Nobody has the Giants tonight, so it won't
Speaker 2: change much. We will have fewer than one hundred people
Speaker 2: knocked out of Circus survivor this week.
Speaker 1: Four on the Giants.
Speaker 2: Oh they're above there, you're right. Four on the Giants,
Speaker 2: two on the Seahawks, four on the Giants. One four people. Okay,
Speaker 2: by the way, that was another one. I guess Seattle
Speaker 2: would be the favorite last week. The Giants were at
Speaker 2: the time. Now Seattle is the favorite. So again those
Speaker 2: first instincts pretty good. Do you and you you're on
Speaker 2: Seattle tonight as your fine, I'm on, I am too,
Speaker 2: I am small bet and then contest play for contest
Speaker 2: play for me as well. Okay, let us begin.
Speaker 1: Let's fire it up. What do you got guessing lines?
Speaker 1: Just start it up there. It is the Marquee Well pardon,
Speaker 1: we figured since we have this for college football guessing lines,
Speaker 1: maybe we should do this for the actual guessing lines.
Speaker 1: And it's got that whole a n G A numbers
Speaker 1: game on there all right Thursday night.
Speaker 2: This is a great one. Bears at Commanders. Oh boy, okay,
Speaker 2: so let me just ask this out front. If the
Speaker 2: Bears happened to win this game, not saying they will,
Speaker 2: but if they happened to win this game, do I
Speaker 2: win my last winless team bet on the Panthers immediately. Wait,
Speaker 2: so I have the Panthers, as you know, fifteen to
Speaker 2: one before the season, last winless team A bet on
Speaker 2: quite proud of. I hope we gets Oh, I see
Speaker 2: what the Bears great? If the Bears win on Thursday,
Speaker 2: do I win automatically?
Speaker 1: I think so?
Speaker 2: I think so too. Anyway, we'll get to that.
Speaker 1: Wow, that is a great fine print question. We haven't
Speaker 1: had to attack that one before.
Speaker 2: The Bears are zero to four, one of the only
Speaker 2: two remaining Owen fours. As we just stated yesterday, Man,
Speaker 2: what can you say? They played the Broncos. Broncos first drive,
Speaker 2: they go eighty four yards Wilson to Julil McLaughlin from
Speaker 2: eighteen out seven and nothing Denver. But the Bears came
Speaker 2: right back seventy five yards fields to DJ More from
Speaker 2: twenty nine outs seven to seven beginning of the second quarter,
Speaker 2: fourteen forty eight left in that frame. After a Denver
Speaker 2: three and out, Bears go fifty six yards fields to
Speaker 2: More for twenty four, follow two plays later by Fields
Speaker 2: to Cole Commet for twenty two in the end zone.
Speaker 2: Fourteen to seven Bears eleven forty four left. Second quarter,
Speaker 2: Then after another Broncos punt, Bears go eighty five yards
Speaker 2: Fields to comment from three out, twenty one to seven Bears.
Speaker 2: That would be the score at the half, and at
Speaker 2: halftime just Houston fields. Let me repeat that, justin fields
Speaker 2: would be sixteen of seventeen for two thirty one, three touchdowns,
Speaker 2: no picks, only sacked twice at the half. First Bears
Speaker 2: drive of the second half after another Denver punt, fifteen plays,
Speaker 2: sixty six yards Fields to Khalil Herbert from two out
Speaker 2: touchdown twenty eight to seven Bears, four to eleven left
Speaker 2: in the third quarter, and at that point in the game,
Speaker 2: pardon me, fields twenty three of twenty four for two
Speaker 2: eighty five and four touchdowns. Man, he's good. Are you late?
Speaker 2: I mean, how many people via text or whatever were saying,
Speaker 2: I think I think he's figured out the game of football. Well.
Speaker 2: Then Denver went seventy five yards Wilson of Brandon Johnson
Speaker 2: for four out. It was twenty eight to fourteen Chicago,
Speaker 2: nine seconds left in the third quarter. Then after Chicago
Speaker 2: three and out, Denver go seventy yards Wilson to Sutton
Speaker 2: from thirteen out twenty eight to twenty one Chicago, then
Speaker 2: nine thirty six left in the game. Then the fifth
Speaker 2: play on the ensuing drive, Chicago's up a touchdown, clinging
Speaker 2: now first and ten at the Denver forty eight for
Speaker 2: the Bears field sacked by Nick Benito, he fumbles it
Speaker 2: and scooped by Jonathan Cooper thirty five yards to the
Speaker 2: hiszy and we are tied at twenty eight with six
Speaker 2: to fifty five left. Bears them matriculate. Here is the
Speaker 2: moment of the game. Twenty eight, twenty eight, fourth and
Speaker 2: one at the Denver eighteen with two fifty seven left.
Speaker 2: Kelly Chicago tries to draw Denver off sides. They cannot,
Speaker 2: so they call timeout, then post timeout. After failing to
Speaker 2: draw them off sides, they decide to go for it.
Speaker 2: Herbert stuffed for no gain. Denver takes over at their
Speaker 2: own eighteen, two fifty two left. Wilson immediately to Mimes Junior.
Speaker 2: How many times have I mentioned Mims Junior on this
Speaker 2: show this year? This time for forty eight leads to
Speaker 2: a Lutz corkscrew fifty one yard field well. Denver's up
Speaker 2: thirty one twenty eight, one forty six left, final drive.
Speaker 2: You know it's gonna happen. Set back by an intentional
Speaker 2: grounding calling fields then third and thirteen at their own
Speaker 2: forty seven with thirty seven seconds left. Fields picked by
Speaker 2: Kareeine Jackson Ballgame thirty one, twenty eight, Denver, Oh Eberflus,
Speaker 2: I have him first coach fire north of fifteen to one?
Speaker 2: Are the Bears just not going to fire him because
Speaker 2: they've never fired a coach mid season? They just want
Speaker 2: to keep that record in top.
Speaker 1: There aren't certain teams like that you gotta be careful with,
Speaker 1: like the Cowboys, right they always.
Speaker 2: That's that's the fly in the ointment of that bet. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Eber Flus is three and eighteen as the Bears head
Speaker 2: coach now and matches the biggest blown lead in franchise
Speaker 2: history twenty one points, fourteenth loss in a row for
Speaker 2: the Bears, all given up twenty five plus points. Remember
Speaker 2: he was a decoordinator when he was hired. Fields twenty
Speaker 2: eight of thirty five three thirty five is the final
Speaker 2: box course stats. Four touchdowns, one pick, you sacked four
Speaker 2: times four for twenty five on the ground with the
Speaker 2: fumble loss that was scooped and scored scooped in return
Speaker 2: for a touchdown Herbert eighteen for one zho three on
Speaker 2: the ground More eight for one thirty one touchdown comets
Speaker 2: seven for eighty six sembra eighty five, two touchdowns, ten penalties,
Speaker 2: ninety one yards outgained Denver four seventy one to three eleven.
Speaker 2: Doesn't matter because they were minus two in turnovers both
Speaker 2: in the fourth quarter the sacks scoop and scored to
Speaker 2: tie the game at twenty eight and the pick to
Speaker 2: end it. Who are they playing? Oh yeah, Washington, Washington.
Speaker 2: Talk about coaches. We just talked about everyflu Let's talk
Speaker 2: about Rivera Washingtons downfield opening drive, seventy five yard samuelin
Speaker 2: from one, seven to nothing, Washington seven to fifty two
Speaker 2: left in the first quarter. Eagles come right back, go
Speaker 2: seventy five yards swift in from five. We're tied seven
Speaker 2: apiece one seventeen left. First quarter. Washington comes right back
Speaker 2: seventy five yards second goal with the one. Robinson fumbles
Speaker 2: before he breaks the plane, but the incomparable Terry McLaurin
Speaker 2: recovers in fourteen to seven Washington twelve fifty six left.
Speaker 2: Second quarter. Took his push for the Eagles on the
Speaker 2: next drive at the at their own forty nine, but
Speaker 2: the Landon Dickerson was lined up off side, so they
Speaker 2: had to punt. Washington makes it seventeen to seven on
Speaker 2: a slide field goal. Halftime was seventeen to ten after
Speaker 2: Elliott made a forty one yarder. Second half, Eagles cut
Speaker 2: it to seventeen to thirteen. Elliott forty seven yarder. Washington
Speaker 2: punt hurts the AJ Brown fifty nine yard touchdown pass
Speaker 2: with Brown just weaving in and out of traffic. Roughing
Speaker 2: the passer penalty gave Philadelphia the bault the one on
Speaker 2: the conversion, so they decided to go for it. Gainwell
Speaker 2: ran it in twenty one to seventeen. Eagles seven eleven.
Speaker 1: Left real quick. Every time I actually AJ Brown have
Speaker 1: a game like this, I just think to myself, can
Speaker 1: you imagine trading this guy? Turning him walk? Just let
Speaker 1: him walk? Incredible?
Speaker 2: Tennessee's like, oh, we really need a receiver. We gotta
Speaker 2: get dustint obvious, I said, DeAndre Hopkins, we really need
Speaker 2: a receiver. Why did you trade this guy? After an
Speaker 2: Elliott thirty six yard field goal made it twenty four
Speaker 2: to seventeen, Philly, Washington goes seventy five yards. Robinson in
Speaker 2: from fifteen. We are tied at twenty four eight to
Speaker 2: one left. Teams trade punts. Eagles take over with three
Speaker 2: twenty left at their own forty three second and fourth.
Speaker 2: The Washington twenty eight hurts to Brown on the double move,
Speaker 2: touchdown thirty one to twenty four. Iggles, but a taunting
Speaker 2: call on Brown because it wasn't enough for him to score,
Speaker 2: he had to taunt. It was kind of weak tonk call, though,
Speaker 2: Skins take the penalty. On the kickoffs. They started their
Speaker 2: own thirty six with one thirty six left. Washington matriculates
Speaker 2: after a third and seventeen conversion a fourth and two
Speaker 2: at the Philly forty five with forty one seconds left,
Speaker 2: Howel to Diami Brown for sixteen, then McLaurin for eight,
Speaker 2: McLaurin for eleven. They end up with a ball at
Speaker 2: the Eagles ten with five seconds left incomplete to McLaurin,
Speaker 2: but one second left on the clock that Sean Dotson
Speaker 2: touchdown river boat ron Mike tuchas he decides to kick
Speaker 2: the extra point. Later he would say he thought his
Speaker 2: offense was gassed. Oh okay, Sam Howell, Welcome to the NFL.
Speaker 2: This way to go, Sam Howell, By the way that
Speaker 2: was his welcome to the NFL moment. So we go
Speaker 2: to overtime. Washington wins the coin flip third and five
Speaker 2: at their own thirty nine, twenty two left in overtime.
Speaker 2: Howel to McLaurin for twenty five rule to incomplete on
Speaker 2: the field, ridiculous replay showed green between his second foot
Speaker 2: and the sideline. Did it not? Did it not? But
Speaker 2: they were brutal, just absolutely brutal call there, twenty nine
Speaker 2: yard tresswaypunt. You know what happens next fourth and one
Speaker 2: at the at midfield. Took this push successful and then
Speaker 2: after an intentional grounding call and hurts the temporarily put
Speaker 2: the Eagles out of field goal range. Hurts the DeVante
Speaker 2: for nine Elliott field goal fifty four. Eagles win thirty
Speaker 2: four to thirty one. Howell finishes twenty nine to forty
Speaker 2: one for two to ninety one touchdown, no picks, but
Speaker 2: he was sacked five times. McLaurin the incomparable eight for
Speaker 2: eighty six should have been more. I will say Washington
Speaker 2: by four and a half on Thursday night hosting the.
Speaker 1: Bears commanders six and a half.
Speaker 2: That's a lot.
Speaker 1: That's a lot.
Speaker 2: That's a lot of points.
Speaker 1: I feel like I'm glad this is a Thursday night game,
Speaker 1: so I could just stay away. Even six this morning,
Speaker 1: we're up to six and a half on the Commanders.
Speaker 1: I'm glad there's a Thursday night games. I think I'm
Speaker 1: just gonna stay away. But this is this line is
Speaker 1: getting close to begging me to bet the Bears.
Speaker 2: Well that's what I'm saying. You would think this would
Speaker 2: make me run and bet the Bears, but I can't
Speaker 2: do that.
Speaker 1: What if it hits seven?
Speaker 2: I mean the Bears are The Bears are terrible? How
Speaker 2: can you lose that game? But Washington shouldn't lay that
Speaker 2: many points against anybody. We'll come back Sunday. I think
Speaker 2: we have another Jackson to London game. We'll start there.
Speaker 2: It's a numbers game at Visa these sports betting network.
Speaker 2: It's Kill Alexander. It's Kelly Bidlin live from Park Bar, Canada,
Speaker 2: rather at the D I said Park Canada, Sorry, brother,
Speaker 2: Bark Canada at the D here downtown. Can you tell
Speaker 2: everybody what you just said off air? When you looked
Speaker 2: up at the TV screen, What did you say?
Speaker 1: Give dan Orlowski four years and he's gonna look just.
Speaker 2: Like you stole my glasses. He looks exactly like my brother.
Speaker 2: By the way, exactly before we gets the more lines.
Speaker 2: Just getting back to that last winless team, which is
Speaker 2: Chicago and four Carolina, Oh and four, I'm kind of.
Speaker 1: Worried about your bet now, I'm not like that. That
Speaker 1: language is very, very important. I hadn't really thought about
Speaker 1: that before.
Speaker 2: Well, let's say, let's say the Bears lose to Washington
Speaker 2: and Caroline ends up losing at Detroit this week. I
Speaker 2: have their schedules here the next five weeks. Chicago's at
Speaker 2: Washington home Minnesota home Raiders. They might be able to
Speaker 2: win one of those two, whereas Carolina goes at Detroit
Speaker 2: at Miami by which is a free Bengal square anyway,
Speaker 2: which is part of that handicap. Anyway, when I first
Speaker 2: made it, we spelled it out all here on the air.
Speaker 2: I spelled out the Carolina bet. I spelled out the
Speaker 2: Everfluce bet. We'll see if either or both can get home.
Speaker 2: Keep this in mind, though, about both Chicago and Carolina.
Speaker 2: Both ow and four the Bears own both draft picks.
Speaker 2: The Bears own both draft picks because of the Bryce
Speaker 2: Young trade, so currently if the NFL Draft were to
Speaker 2: happen right now, Chicago would be drafting one and two.
Speaker 2: It's amazing. It's amazing, all right, one and every Bears
Speaker 2: fan after I said that just went and how are
Speaker 2: we gonna botch that?
Speaker 1: It is the one thing I'd keep trying to argue for,
Speaker 1: like or make the case for Bears fans. Right, it's
Speaker 1: the You go and compare the Broncos and Bears season A.
Speaker 1: What were the expectations for each team heading into the year?
Speaker 1: Much higher for a Broncos team than they were for
Speaker 1: the Bears team. And when you head into this offseason,
Speaker 1: the assets available for Chicago versus at Denver, it's not
Speaker 1: even close well that the Bears.
Speaker 2: The Bears did have lower expectations, But let us not
Speaker 2: diminish that too much, because anecdotally or just by evidence
Speaker 2: of all of our guests on this show and throughout
Speaker 2: the network this offseason, there were some people who thought
Speaker 2: the Bears were going to be great.
Speaker 1: Yeah great, very good playoff team.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah yeah.
Speaker 1: All right, let's go at London Jaguars staying there, moving hotels.
Speaker 1: Bills will come in and take their hotel. Sunday, six
Speaker 1: thirty am Pacific time, nine thirty am Eastern time. Jags
Speaker 1: at the Bills versus the Bills in time.
Speaker 2: And I believe this is the first ever back to
Speaker 2: back London for one team.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I believe so.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Jacksonville, which plays a London game every year, and
Speaker 2: we'll play two here back to back. Jacksonville beats Atlanta
Speaker 2: in the London game yesterday. Not a whole bunch to
Speaker 2: say here. Fourth and one at the Atlanta thirty eight,
Speaker 2: a little more than halfway through the first quarter, Lawrence
Speaker 2: to Kirk for ten. Two plays later was Lawrence to
Speaker 2: Ridley from thirty out. Jacksonville took a seven to nothing lead.
Speaker 2: They added to McManus fifty six yard field goal to
Speaker 2: make it ten to nothing Atlanta at that point. This
Speaker 2: is in the second quarter when it was ten to
Speaker 2: nothing Atlanta at that point. Kelly had one first down
Speaker 2: and then they had a drive that started at their
Speaker 2: own thirteen. They did matriculate three first downs later, so
Speaker 2: three more, two more than they have the or three
Speaker 2: more than they have a whole pre part of the game.
Speaker 2: They have a first intent that Jacksonville forty five Ridder
Speaker 2: picked by Darius Williams sixty one yards to the house
Speaker 2: seventeen to nothing Jacksonville, and at that point it was
Speaker 2: kind of just the Jags cruising in the rest of
Speaker 2: the way.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was JAG's better. I don't know if you
Speaker 1: had the same feeling, but it was. They were leaving
Speaker 1: points on the field for sure.
Speaker 2: Yeah. When I say cruise, I do mean like not
Speaker 2: the most comfortable cruise, but still a cruise ensuing dry
Speaker 2: By the way, first play first in ten at their
Speaker 2: own twenty five, ridder was picked again by Andre Cisco,
Speaker 2: but that didn't lead in anything because fourth and one
Speaker 2: at the Atlanta seven. Remember this is what you're talking about, Kelly,
Speaker 2: they left points on the board. They could have like
Speaker 2: really put the nail in the coffin at this point,
Speaker 2: up seventeen to nothing already they had the ball at
Speaker 2: Atlanta seven to fourth and one, Lawrence was sacked by
Speaker 2: David Anyamana. Halftime remained seventeen to nothing. Then third quarter
Speaker 2: Atlanta did go seventy five yards to start the half,
Speaker 2: twenty four on the ground, all but twenty four on
Speaker 2: the ground. By the way, I should say Bijeon for
Speaker 2: thirty eight was the big run. Ridderd and London fifteen out,
Speaker 2: it was seventeen to seven. Then after they traded punts,
Speaker 2: McManus field goal up to the lead for Jacksonville to
Speaker 2: twenty to seven. That was from forty three and then
Speaker 2: Atlanta matriculated but fourth and three at the Jacksonville six
Speaker 2: six oh five left. This was when the game really ended.
Speaker 2: Ritter incomplete back of the end zone intended for London.
Speaker 2: He only got one foot down.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 2: And then Jacksonville added a field goal late they were
Speaker 2: helped along by forty yard PI to make it twenty
Speaker 2: three to seven. That was the eventual final score. Oh yeah,
Speaker 2: one last insult ridder sacked by Josh Allen with one
Speaker 2: thirty three left. He fumbled Angelo Blackson recover. That was
Speaker 2: the ballgame. Laurence ended up twenty three of thirty for
Speaker 2: two oh seven, one touchdown. No Pixy was sacked twice,
Speaker 2: eight carries for forty two yards, and you know Jacksonville
Speaker 2: was plus three and turnovers that led the big one
Speaker 2: obviously the pick six and all of that. So I
Speaker 2: just want to say, we'll get to it when we
Speaker 2: get to Atlanta. But this overrating of Atlanta in the
Speaker 2: market every week is been the most successful thing in
Speaker 2: NFL betting this year.
Speaker 1: Well, so far, we'll take it, right, you'll take it.
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm not gonna I'm not gonna go crazy. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we're four weeks into the season. Oh my god, is
Speaker 1: this team exactly who you and I thought they were? Yes?
Speaker 2: Right, And here's the deep dive analysis. Have you seen
Speaker 2: their quarterback play football? That's it? So all you gotta
Speaker 2: know whoever.
Speaker 1: They play at Buffalo or at Buffalo against Buffalo ages.
Speaker 2: Technically Buffalo is the home team. Buffalo beats Miami beats
Speaker 2: some good forty eight to twenty opening drive that went
Speaker 2: right downfield. Actually the first five drives of the game
Speaker 2: or another but touchdown drives, Buffalo with three of them,
Speaker 2: Miami with two is twenty one to fourteen. I'll just
Speaker 2: skip ahead to there because at that point there was
Speaker 2: finally a punt. Miami punted, Buffalo punted, Miami punted. Then
Speaker 2: the Bills go fifty nine yards most on an Allen
Speaker 2: to digs fifty five yard touchdown catch and run, twenty
Speaker 2: eight to fourteen Buffalo. That was the first real more
Speaker 2: than one score separation of the game. Two fifty two
Speaker 2: left in the second quarter. At that point, third play
Speaker 2: following drive, third and one at their own thirty four
Speaker 2: for the Dolphins, two twenty left in the half. Most
Speaker 2: are hit by Matt Mulano, fumbles Terrell Bernard recovers, leads
Speaker 2: to a Tyler Bass fifty three yard are thirty one
Speaker 2: fourteen Buffalo at the half. Remember that's after they went touchdown, touchdown, touchdown, touchdown,
Speaker 2: touchdown to start the game, twenty one to fourteen Buffalo lead.
Speaker 2: And then they started to build that lead. Second half
Speaker 2: opening drive, Miami does go seventy five yards two A
Speaker 2: to Barrios from eleven out, thirty one to twenty. Miami
Speaker 2: down eleven, decides to go for two. That's interesting, eleven
Speaker 2: and nine. It failed, nine thirty left in the third quarter.
Speaker 2: Bass ads a thirty three yarder thirty four to twenty Buffalo,
Speaker 2: five twenty one left in the third, then to a
Speaker 2: third play following drive picked by Micah Hyde. Bill set
Speaker 2: up at the Miami twenty five up fourteen already four
Speaker 2: plays later, Allan to Diggs thirteen yarder forty one to
Speaker 2: twenty three minutes left in the third, and then the
Speaker 2: Dolphins end up fourth and one at the Buffalo forty
Speaker 2: seven down twenty one forty four seconds left in the
Speaker 2: third two in shotgun. Always love that. On a fourth
Speaker 2: and one sacked by ed Oliver Tredavius White with the
Speaker 2: non contact achilles injury, I fear it is ruptured and
Speaker 2: he is done for the year. Allen to Gabe Davis
Speaker 2: for thirty four. Allen in from eleven forty eight twenty
Speaker 2: Buffalo five seconds in to the fourth quarter, and that
Speaker 2: would be the final score. By the way, they didn't
Speaker 2: get any more than that, as the last two Dolphins
Speaker 2: drives ended with turnovers on downs. Allen finishes twenty one
Speaker 2: of twenty five for three twenty four touchdowns. No Pixie
Speaker 2: be sacked twice, four carries for seventeen yards and a touchdown,
Speaker 2: digs six for one twenty three touchdowns. The Bills were
Speaker 2: plus two and turnovers that led directly to plus ten
Speaker 2: Buffalo points. Remember now with the Bills season thus far,
Speaker 2: they lost the opening week by six and overtime to
Speaker 2: the Jets. Since then, and I guess that's the Raiders
Speaker 2: Washington and now Miami, they have won by twenty eight,
Speaker 2: thirty four and twenty eight. We are who they thought
Speaker 2: they were, who we thought they were without question Buffalo
Speaker 2: at London, despite Jacksonville's comfort level in London, despite the
Speaker 2: fact that they've been hanging out there now and they'll
Speaker 2: actually be sightseeing today. I'm gonna say Buffalo by six
Speaker 2: based on what I just said.
Speaker 1: Too much dead on dead, half five and a half.
Speaker 2: Okay, I like that. Twenty eight, thirty four and twenty
Speaker 2: eight their last three margins of victory for the Buffalo bill.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's pretty wild, Josh Allen, Now you're short shot
Speaker 1: in the MVP market. Plus three eighty two moves back
Speaker 1: to five to one.
Speaker 2: Can we talk about MVP for a second. Yeah, we can't,
Speaker 2: because we were saying, like MVP the last four years has
Speaker 2: become this de facto quarterback award. We've even had Aaron
Speaker 2: Shots on the show, and Aaron Shots will be on
Speaker 2: either this week or next week because we do quarterly
Speaker 2: with him on the show, and he's a voter and
Speaker 2: he is analytics driven, and he's like, because I'm analytics driven,
Speaker 2: quarterback means so much more to the team than any
Speaker 2: other position I have to vote for a quarterback. I
Speaker 2: want to try to disabuse him of that notion this time, because,
Speaker 2: first of all, it's not meant to be a quarterback award,
Speaker 2: it doesn't have to be. And you have two guys
Speaker 2: in Christian McCaffrey, not so much Tyreek Hill after yesterday,
Speaker 2: but let's just take Christian McCaffrey. Christian McCaffrey has six
Speaker 2: hundred yards from scrimmage in four six touchdowns. Six hundred
Speaker 2: yards on scrimmage. That's on pace to set the NFL
Speaker 2: record Chris Johnson holds it, which I believe was over
Speaker 2: twenty five hundred yards in a sixteen game schedule. If
Speaker 2: McCaffrey just continues to do this and he breaks that record,
Speaker 2: or if Tyreek ends up with two thousand yards on
Speaker 2: Dolphins team that wins tons of games, you're really going
Speaker 2: to give it to just a random quarterback and you're
Speaker 2: gonna save Offensive Player of the Year for one of
Speaker 2: those two guys, McCaffrey or Hill. I just I just
Speaker 2: don't want to. I hope we're not in that phase
Speaker 2: where MVP is just a quarterback. I think we've gotten there,
Speaker 2: I think, but it's we can't we can't reverse that.
Speaker 2: What is it set and study? No, I don't know, but.
Speaker 1: I feel like we've gotten there with the Offensive Player
Speaker 1: of the year and the MVP. I feel like we've
Speaker 1: just gotten to the quarterback and it's then the other
Speaker 1: it's gonna be a position play.
Speaker 2: Did Moses bring that down with the tablets towards voting? Man?
Speaker 2: I know, yeah, and it is.
Speaker 1: It's tough when you're talking about MVP. You're talking about
Speaker 1: random quarterback defense, quarterback that does big things with the team.
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Speaker 2: Live and Bar Canada. That the d guessing lines for
Speaker 2: week number five in the National Football League. Before we
Speaker 2: get back to that, we get tweets at beating the book.
Speaker 2: Always appreciate the feedback. Los Vegas five to one, four Yo,
Speaker 2: what happened to Riverboat Ron coach Gilly and offensive coordinator
Speaker 2: Young Kelly B would would have went for it? No,
Speaker 2: would have went for the win. Yeah, Scotty b seven
Speaker 2: two six? Were you joking about it? The Bears win
Speaker 2: on Thursday night? Carolina still plays Week five. Yeah, but
Speaker 2: the wording on the ticket is last winless team, right,
Speaker 2: so I'm not exactly joking about it. Quite frankly, touchdown
Speaker 2: Jasus Riverboat Ron the first coach to ever claim his
Speaker 2: offense was too gassed to go for two in the win.
Speaker 2: I guess that Philly defense was getting stronger as they
Speaker 2: gave up the tying touchdown draft.
Speaker 1: I love when coaches gets caught in stupid answers, because
Speaker 1: what way does that make any sense? Well, right, we're
Speaker 1: gonna play for overtime, but not go for two here.
Speaker 2: Remember, if he knew Sam Howell was that good, he
Speaker 2: would have played him earlier last year. I mean he's
Speaker 2: made if he watched, Yeah, he's made tons of ridiculous comments.
Speaker 2: Jed O'Connor Riverboat Ron was making sure the teaser legs
Speaker 2: had a chance to cover what a guy plinko landing
Speaker 2: The landing the way of many. Absolutely, Mike Stacks Washington
Speaker 2: over Bears for Survivor could be the last time we
Speaker 2: have a chance to see them. Based on the schedule
Speaker 2: to use them he should say. He says, yes, you're
Speaker 2: absolutely right. That is a potential survivor play Bruce doe
Speaker 2: Bingen NFL season. If the NFL season were over today,
Speaker 2: the Bears would have the top two draft picks. Will
Speaker 2: they trade up with themselves? Maybe? So that would be
Speaker 2: the very bearest thing today. We've made a trade. There's
Speaker 2: a trade at the top arch indel. I hope I'm
Speaker 2: saying that right. The Daggs do not cruise into anything. Gil.
Speaker 2: They hand paddled their inflatable raft ashore. That's probably that
Speaker 2: is an accurate description. That's pay Church. And then the
Speaker 2: King of car Seats said Bears were only minus one
Speaker 2: eighty to miss the playoffs at draft kings before the season.
Speaker 2: Hard to believe. Yeah, I think he means before the season.
Speaker 2: I would imagine before the season. Oh and we get text.
Speaker 2: Steve Fezicks texted in talking about my comment about why
Speaker 2: is it's set in Stone? Did Moses bring the tablets down?
Speaker 2: About MVP being for a quarterback? He said, here are
Speaker 2: your fifteen your oops, tablet crash, make that your ten commandments?
Speaker 2: Brilliant comedy. Remember that History of the World. Paul on
Speaker 2: mel Brooks. Maybe that was one of the fifteen, the
Speaker 2: five that got dropped. All right, what's next Sunday?
Speaker 1: All right? Early on Sunday one Eastern ten Pacific Texans
Speaker 1: at Falcons.
Speaker 2: Texans at Falcons two, two and two teams at Atlanta,
Speaker 2: Houston took their opening drive sixty nine yards Stroud and
Speaker 2: Nico Collins against the Steelers from two out, seven to
Speaker 2: nothing Houston eight fifty five left first quarter. Then after
Speaker 2: a picket eye in that led to a short field
Speaker 2: and attend to nothing, Houston lead. Then the Texans extended
Speaker 2: it to thirteen to nothing on another fair baron field goal.
Speaker 2: Houston had a fourth and one at the Pittsburgh twenty
Speaker 2: eight up thirteen seven or nine left in the second quarter.
Speaker 2: Stroud incomplete intended for Andrew Beck, but it wouldn't lead
Speaker 2: to anything for the Steelers, who then down thirteen. Kelly,
Speaker 2: I know this is your favorite thing. Fourth and one
Speaker 2: at their own forty nine, with four to thirty five
Speaker 2: and left in the second quarter, they just decided to
Speaker 2: pun it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, pun it away, like.
Speaker 2: There you go, just pun it away.
Speaker 1: Its okay, Gil. We can't ever question the guy because
Speaker 1: he's never had a losing season.
Speaker 2: Wait, I never heard that before.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, Mike Tomlin Steelers never had a losing season.
Speaker 2: Huh.
Speaker 1: Any any decisions he makes is the right one.
Speaker 2: The information you learn on this show. Sixteen to nothing
Speaker 2: Houston at the half, after the Steelers traded two boswell
Speaker 2: Field goals with two Houston punts to cut it to
Speaker 2: sixteen to six, fourth and one from the Houston thirty
Speaker 2: three for Pitt, Piket and shotgun. Oh Jesus sacked by
Speaker 2: the way one ten left and the third quarter in
Speaker 2: Dowland lose. He's sacked, he was hurt. He was helped
Speaker 2: off out for the rest of the game. Tribisky came in.
Speaker 2: He'll miss time, he's he will miss time. He's six
Speaker 2: foot three, two hundred and thirty pounds. Just fall over.
Speaker 2: No you want to go shot No, I'm with.
Speaker 1: You in rapaport this morning, can you? Pikett will miss
Speaker 1: time in knee injury. Not believed to be season ending.
Speaker 2: Remember this used to happen with Ben Roethlisberger and I
Speaker 2: used to shout on guessing lines. The word big is
Speaker 2: actually in his nickname, Big Ben fall Just fall forward. Uh,
Speaker 2: Texans go fifty eight yards for the score. After that,
Speaker 2: Devin Singletary a Dalton Schultz from six out little triggeration
Speaker 2: twenty three to six, then a three and out with
Speaker 2: Trubisky in Texans go eighty six yards ball games Stroud
Speaker 2: and Nico Collins for fifty two thirty to six. That's
Speaker 2: how it would end. See Jay Stroud, he is your
Speaker 2: offensive rookie of the year, short shot. He went sixteen
Speaker 2: of thirty for three h six, two touchdowns, no picks.
Speaker 2: He was not zacked. Nico Collins seven for one sixty
Speaker 2: eight two touchdowns. The Texans held Pittsburg to two hundred
Speaker 2: and twenty five total yards. I'll gain him four fifty
Speaker 2: one to two twenty five, held Pittsburgh to just twelve
Speaker 2: first downs. And then we talked about Atlanta losing to Jacksonville.
Speaker 2: Desmond Ritter in that game against Jacksonville was nineteen to
Speaker 2: thirty one for one to ninety one, one touchdown, two picks.
Speaker 2: He was sacked four times, lost to fumble. Bijon though
Speaker 2: was good fourteen for one oh five five catches for
Speaker 2: thirty two. But as we said, Atlanta was minus three
Speaker 2: and turnovers the uh scoop and score being the orcuse
Speaker 2: me the pick six being the big thing in that
Speaker 2: one Houston at Atlanta I have as a pick.
Speaker 1: Eem uh, good on you. This is one of the
Speaker 1: lines that has moved a bit. This opened Atlanta like
Speaker 1: two and a half three yesterday. It is down top.
Speaker 2: It's down to.
Speaker 1: Atlanta one and a half, anywhere.
Speaker 2: Between one and a half two a pickup, Come my way,
Speaker 2: come my way. It's not far enough. There's no way
Speaker 2: Atlanta should even close to a field goal favorites. So
Speaker 2: I'm glad, it's I'm god people have gone to this.
Speaker 1: I don't think I don't think you can leave Houston
Speaker 1: and teaser range right now like one and a half.
Speaker 1: I don't leave that out.
Speaker 2: There teas away. Yeah, the Houston Texans and we'll get
Speaker 2: to him later. The eras Zona Cardinals are the two
Speaker 2: teams we had, we collectively as a football prognosticator group
Speaker 2: of people. But I'll raise my hand the most off
Speaker 2: sure like both of those teams are actually somewhat credible.
Speaker 1: And in although Jacksonville in there for myself too, I
Speaker 1: have Jacksonville division bets. I have a lot of questions about, right.
Speaker 2: But I'm talking about the teams we thought would stink.
Speaker 2: We thought these teams would stink. I was talking to
Speaker 2: Parls yesterday at about Arizona. Is Arizona a top half
Speaker 2: power ranked team. We'll get to them momentarily, but like
Speaker 2: do they sneak into sixteen, We'll get to them. Let's
Speaker 2: do one more, all right.
Speaker 1: Panthers at Falcons one Eastern.
Speaker 2: Ten Pacific Panthers at you just said Falcons, Lions, Panthers Lions. Okay,
Speaker 2: the ZH to four Panthers at Detroit. We won't talk
Speaker 2: about Detroit because they played Thursday. We already went through
Speaker 2: that there, went over Green Bay. But Carolina, who I
Speaker 2: was worried there for a second that they might get
Speaker 2: a win. Why because the Vikings went right downfield on
Speaker 2: their opening drive, third and goal to the Carolina five.
Speaker 2: And then Kirk Cousins did his thing, completely ill advised
Speaker 2: pass to the corner picked by Sam Franklin Junior, ninety
Speaker 2: nine yards of the house. Great effort, by the way
Speaker 2: by Cousins to get the angle, only to get trucks.
Speaker 1: Oh that was great.
Speaker 2: Seven to nothing, Carolina ten twenty seven left in the
Speaker 2: first quarter. Up ten to nothing. Now, then the Panthers
Speaker 2: do give up a sixty three yard touchdown drive to
Speaker 2: the Vikes Cousins Jefferson before out ten to seven Panthers,
Speaker 2: nine thirty nine left in the second quarter. That after
Speaker 2: Cousins had fumbled a second and one step on the
Speaker 2: previous play at the four and landed on it. Just
Speaker 2: to give you some on brand Vikings flavor.
Speaker 1: You gotta have that, ye Will Hill.
Speaker 2: Is a Vikings fan. He calls it a hell escape
Speaker 2: rooting for this team. Late in the half, still down
Speaker 2: ten to seven, first and ten at the Carolina twenty one,
Speaker 2: forty six seconds left, Cousins hit again the Vikings driving
Speaker 2: for a go ahead score. Ball goes just flies up
Speaker 2: in the air. Kamu Grugier Hill picks it and returns
Speaker 2: at thirty one yards, resulting in a Pinero fifty six
Speaker 2: yard field goal to end the half. After some horrible
Speaker 2: clock management by the Panthers down the stretch of that half,
Speaker 2: thirteen to seven, nonetheless Carolina when they went into the
Speaker 2: locker room. Then second half, after a trade of punts
Speaker 2: second and seventeen for Carolina at the Minnesota twenty eight.
Speaker 2: This is when the whole game changed. Four h nine
Speaker 2: left in the third quarter, Bryce hit by Harrison Smith,
Speaker 2: fumbles picked up by DJ Wanham fifty one yards of
Speaker 2: the house, fourteen to thirteen Minnesota. Then after another Carolina
Speaker 2: three and out Minnesota again, cousins Jefferson from thirty out
Speaker 2: twenty one to thirteen Minnesota at the end of the
Speaker 2: third quarter. That was the last play of the third quarter.
Speaker 2: Teams traded punts in the fourth. Then Carolina down one
Speaker 2: score down eight, matriculated the ball down the field because
Speaker 2: of course they do. It's a Vikings game. They can't
Speaker 2: win anything cleanly. Fourth and one at the Minnesota thirteen
Speaker 2: with two h one left, they decided to run the
Speaker 2: play before the two minute warning, and the Chewba Hubbard
Speaker 2: gets four yards, so at one fifty eight the two
Speaker 2: minute warning, Carolina down eight and they have it first
Speaker 2: down but Bryce first down by the way at the
Speaker 2: nine first and goal, but Bryce is sacked. Bryce Young
Speaker 2: sacked on both second and four downs by Harrison Smith,
Speaker 2: and with Carolina having burned one of their timeouts in
Speaker 2: that sequence, it was ballgame twenty one to thirteen. Vikings
Speaker 2: Vikings off the schneid. Bryce ends up twenty five to
Speaker 2: thirty two for two oh four, no touchdowns. No Pixi
Speaker 2: was sacked five times. He did lose that fumble that
Speaker 2: was the key play of the game, only two hundred
Speaker 2: and thirty two total yards, Minnesota only had two sixty five.
Speaker 2: By the way victory, the time of possession advantage for
Speaker 2: Carolina thirty eight to twenty nine to twenty one thirty
Speaker 2: one didn't matter. They lose again, destroyed by a full seven. Uh,
Speaker 2: you are light, my friend, Detroit nine point favorites in
Speaker 2: this I am light.
Speaker 1: Yes, nine point favorites in this game.
Speaker 2: I wonder if Chrissy would have said, I like your
Speaker 2: number better there the nine is. I mean, Caroline is
Speaker 2: terrible and again they're awful. I can't My whole Carolina
Speaker 2: bet for them being last was not only schedule analysis,
Speaker 2: which has worked out splendidly, but also this is this
Speaker 2: we got. I got trucked on the NFL draft. We
Speaker 2: always went on the NFL Draft, not this year. But
Speaker 2: I just knew Carolina was gonna they made that trade.
Speaker 2: I was convinced to draft c J. Stroud because c J.
Speaker 2: Stroud is way better and he's bigger for the NFL.
Speaker 2: Bryce Young is too small, and they would ahead and
Speaker 2: drafted Bryce Young. If this hits Carolina last winless, I
Speaker 2: will make up for all of that and like double
Speaker 2: it back the other way. By the way, Kevin Clark,
Speaker 2: there was an entire draft news cycle that quoting anonymous
Speaker 2: executives saying you can't take c. J. Stroud because he
Speaker 2: did poorly on the pre draft equivalent of a BuzzFeed quiz.
Speaker 2: Why we tolerate so much junk science every spring? Spring
Speaker 2: is beyond me? Remember this? Amen, Kevin Clark coming back?
Speaker 2: More guessing lines, Next skill, Alexander Kelly Bidlin guessing lines
Speaker 2: for week number five in the National Football League, even
Speaker 2: though Detroit was like north of seven points. I don't
Speaker 2: know that I'm racing to lay that though. They're a
Speaker 2: big survivor. I would imagine Option this week though, plays
Speaker 2: green Bay on Thanksgiving, so you may want to save them.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's that line's nine nine. Yeah, it makes me
Speaker 1: start wondering when the last time they were that big
Speaker 1: of favorites. But you know, I don't want to play
Speaker 1: that game again because we're gonna get six different tweets. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I know that's right.
Speaker 2: We did what we asked last week. We got ten
Speaker 2: different answers to that green Bay question. What was the
Speaker 2: last time green Bay was? What was the question again,
Speaker 2: it was this, you're off here they.
Speaker 1: Were when Green Bay was home Dogs, Home Dogs Dogs. Well,
Speaker 1: then Eric Ginger had the answer.
Speaker 2: Of course twenty seventeen when it was a backup quarterback,
Speaker 2: I believe with the answer. Yeah. Okay. By the way,
Speaker 2: if you're tuning in, you're like, hey, where's all the baseball?
Speaker 2: There's a huge baseball day tomorrow, don't we know it?
Speaker 2: Quadruple header. The playoffs are finally here. Quadruple header on
Speaker 2: not only Tuesday tomorrow, but Wednesday as well, games one
Speaker 2: and two of the respective best of three series two
Speaker 2: in each league. Of course we did this last year.
Speaker 2: I forgot that we started out with two quadruple headers
Speaker 2: Tomorrow on the show, We'll have Borchard on, We'll have
Speaker 2: Spore on, maybe we'll get Towers in here. It'll just
Speaker 2: be a baseball fest soaked with baseball tomorrow. One more
Speaker 2: to he's speaking of Eric Giger. We talked about Desmond
Speaker 2: Ridder earlier, Eric Giger, who is the last quarterback a team.
Speaker 2: And now this is gonna provoke a lot of discussion too.
Speaker 2: We're gonna get twenty answers on this. Eric Gieger asks
Speaker 2: out loud on Twitter who is the last quarterback a
Speaker 2: team intended to start from jump, who was less viable
Speaker 2: than Ridder with no young guy in waiting?
Speaker 1: It is bizarre.
Speaker 2: He got a bunch of answers to this, but like
Speaker 2: he was poking holes at every one of the answers.
Speaker 2: He's like, NP, it's a Ridder. Ridder's like that guy
Speaker 2: was better than Ridder. This guy was better than Ridder.
Speaker 2: I just don't know that guy had a young guy
Speaker 2: in waiting.
Speaker 1: I mean two eagers point, Like, what the hell was
Speaker 1: the plant? Like did you really you really thought this
Speaker 1: guy was that? Like, can't miss of a guy. It's bizarre. Yeah,
Speaker 1: all right, let's do one here, all right? One more
Speaker 1: Titans at Colts an interesting ac.
Speaker 2: So another two and two versus a two and two?
Speaker 2: Wait what I said about the Titans last week, Like
Speaker 2: just when you think they stink, they'll come up with
Speaker 2: a game.
Speaker 1: I've been able to figure this team out for three years.
Speaker 2: That's very true. Although remember they were the number one
Speaker 2: seed in the AFC a couple years back. Tennessee beat Cincinnati. Cincinnati.
Speaker 2: There is not much to say about this other than
Speaker 2: the building the leagu which is after teams traded field
Speaker 2: goals to start the game. It really was a defensive
Speaker 2: struggle that ensued till the Titans win seventy five yards
Speaker 2: in the second quarter Tannahill to Nick Westbrook a kine
Speaker 2: from thirteen out and made it ten to three. Was
Speaker 2: six thirty one left in the second quarter. Then after
Speaker 2: a Cincinnati three and out, Titans win seventy three yards,
Speaker 2: including a Tannehill fumble that was scooped by ty J.
Speaker 2: Spears for twenty two So even when they were fumbling
Speaker 2: the ball, they were gaining twenty two yards out of it.
Speaker 2: Henry in from twenty nine on that drive, seventeen to
Speaker 2: three Tennessee with three fifty eight left in the second quarter.
Speaker 2: Then after another Cincinnati pun Tennessee goes eighty yards Henry
Speaker 2: to Josh Wiley two yard touchdown jump pass from Derreck
Speaker 2: Henry with thirteen seconds left in the half, and it
Speaker 2: was twenty four to three at halftime. And honestly, the
Speaker 2: way that Joe Burr was playing and not being able
Speaker 2: to move out there, it was ballgame. Titans would only
Speaker 2: add a folk thirty five yard field goal in the
Speaker 2: opening driver of the second half and that would be
Speaker 2: it for the scoring. It ended twenty seven to three,
Speaker 2: as the second half was ruled primarily by punts in
Speaker 2: a trade of turnovers that amounted to nothing. Tannehill eighteen
Speaker 2: of twenty five or two to forty one touchdown, one pick.
Speaker 2: He was sacked three times. Henry twenty two for one
Speaker 2: twenty two on the ground, he was the leading rusher
Speaker 2: in the NFL. Congratulations to all have that. Yesterday he
Speaker 2: scored a touchdown on the ground, one for one, passing
Speaker 2: for two yards and a touchdown. He also caught one
Speaker 2: pass for eleven yards. They outgained Cincinnati four hundred to
Speaker 2: two eleven, and really Tennessee's win over the Bengals twenty
Speaker 2: seven to three is more of a commentary on Joe
Speaker 2: Burrow and his injury status than it is taking I mean,
Speaker 2: I say taking nothing away from the Titans, but I
Speaker 2: guess I am taking something away from the Titans the Bengals. Like,
Speaker 2: we'll get to the Bengals because this is not about
Speaker 2: the Bengals. This is about the Titans in this game.
Speaker 2: But we got to get to that discussion. Titans are
Speaker 2: at Indianapolis. You said, Okay, Indianapolis loses to the Rams,
Speaker 2: but boyl, Boyl, boy, was this a game opening drive.
Speaker 2: Rams went downfield seventy five yards Kyron Williams in from
Speaker 2: three seven to nothing Rams eleven thirty five left first quarter.
Speaker 2: After Indianapolis punt, Rams go ninety four yards Stafford to
Speaker 2: Nakua Puka nakula matata for twenty six with an unnecessary
Speaker 2: roughness tacked on the big one Kyron In from three
Speaker 2: fourteen to nothing Rams three forty left first quarter. Richardson
Speaker 2: would fumble on the third play of the next drive
Speaker 2: on second and six at the Rams forty eight tackled
Speaker 2: by Ernest Jones, recovered by a Kilo Witherspoon that led
Speaker 2: to a Maher forty yard field goal seventeen to nothing Rams.
Speaker 2: The Rams would get it to twenty nothing by halftime.
Speaker 2: Both teams missed field goals to close the half, so
Speaker 2: twenty to nothing Rams and by the way, then they
Speaker 2: made it twenty three to nothing on a fifty one
Speaker 2: yard Brett Maher field goal twenty three to nothing at
Speaker 2: the beginning of the second half. So the Colts then
Speaker 2: finally get off the mat down twenty three. They go
Speaker 2: seventy five yards Richardson to Moe Ali Cox from thirty
Speaker 2: five out two point conversion good cutting a I guess
Speaker 2: a seventeen point lye to a fifteen point lead at
Speaker 2: that point twenty three to eight. Richardson to Zach Moss
Speaker 2: in the two point conversion five twenty six left third quarter. Then,
Speaker 2: after Stafford was picked by Kenny Moore on the Rams
Speaker 2: second play from scrimmage on the subsequent drive, the Colts
Speaker 2: were set up at the Rams forty two, but fourth
Speaker 2: and seven at the Rams thirty one, they go for
Speaker 2: at three forty left in the third quarter, Richardson incomplete
Speaker 2: intended for Kyle Granson. Maher then misses a forty eight
Speaker 2: yarder for the Rams, so the Colts get it back,
Speaker 2: and this time they do go sixty two yards Richardson
Speaker 2: to Alex Peers for thirty eight and unnecessary roughness call
Speaker 2: tacked on the big play in that sequence. Four plays later,
Speaker 2: Richardson in from one twenty three to fifteen, they decide
Speaker 2: to go from nine to eight at that point with
Speaker 2: the extra point Rams still up by eight now, then
Speaker 2: the Rams punt. Colts immediately go eighty three yards, including
Speaker 2: a fourth and four conversion at the Rams twenty one
Speaker 2: Richardson to Kylon Grantson for seventeen that set up the score,
Speaker 2: and Richardson to Andrew Ogletree on that drive for twenty
Speaker 2: one twenty two and the touchdown pass of five yards
Speaker 2: to cut it to twenty three to twenty one with
Speaker 2: one fifty six left. Now, ladies and gentlemen, it's time
Speaker 2: for our weekly Sean mcvag moment. Are you ready? Down? Two?
Speaker 2: Set up for the two point conversion? The Colts are
Speaker 2: about to get flagged for a false start, but McVeigh
Speaker 2: calls time out good just before the false start to
Speaker 2: get that in. Thank you, Sean McVay. And with that
Speaker 2: reprieve Richardson and Michael Pittman, wide open two point conversion.
Speaker 2: We are tied at twenty three with one fifty six left.
Speaker 2: They were down twenty three to nothing.
Speaker 1: Let's go making four.
Speaker 2: It over the circle contest for me.
Speaker 1: Gil Let's go Colts.
Speaker 2: The Rams go three and out, twenty four second possession
Speaker 2: for the Rams. You know what? The Colts they hold
Speaker 2: my beer. They have a twenty three second possession. They
Speaker 2: traded twenty four and twenty three second possessions. Three and
Speaker 2: outs either way. Egregious by both Rams couldn't get in
Speaker 2: a field goal range. After that, we go to overtime
Speaker 2: and the Rams win the coin flip Kelly, I'm so sorry, yeah,
Speaker 2: and then their book ended seventy five yards. First play
Speaker 2: of the drive, Stafford to Nakua for twenty last play
Speaker 2: of the drive, Stafford to Nakua for twenty two in
Speaker 2: the touchdown first touchdown of Pooka Nakua's career, ninth catch
Speaker 2: of the game, one hundred and sixty three yards. Ballgame,
Speaker 2: Rams win twenty nine to twenty three. Richardson eleven for
Speaker 2: twenty five, only eleven forward passes completed eleven for twenty
Speaker 2: five for two hundred two touchdowns, no picks. He was
Speaker 2: sacked twice, but ten carries for fifty six yards and
Speaker 2: a touchdown, one fumble loss. They out They were outgained
Speaker 2: by the Rams four sixty seven to three to twenty nine,
Speaker 2: and they were out time of possessioned, if you will,
Speaker 2: by the Rams thirty nine forty six to twenty four
Speaker 2: twenty five in a game that went into overtime. This
Speaker 2: is an interesting one. Tennessee at Indianapolis, I got lazy
Speaker 2: and just said a pick em here, No, I said,
Speaker 2: Tennessee minus one and a half I split the difference
Speaker 2: between the three and the and the pick them here
Speaker 2: Colts won.
Speaker 1: Up to one and a half, one to one and
Speaker 1: a half most places. I did put a small bed
Speaker 1: in on the Colts.
Speaker 2: I don't have a huge problem with that. I probably
Speaker 2: should have made it a pick them. I don't have
Speaker 2: a huge problem with that because the Tennessee in it's
Speaker 2: I don't want to take away where you win a
Speaker 2: football game twenty seven to three, you deserve credit, but geez,
Speaker 2: I don't know about their opponent. And then in the
Speaker 2: Colts case, like the Rams are actually pretty darn good
Speaker 2: at football. What are you pointing out there?
Speaker 1: Nah, I screwed up that graphic. It wasn't Titans one.
Speaker 1: It was Colts one.
Speaker 2: Colts one. You already put in a small bet on
Speaker 2: the Colts.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I put in a money line minus one fifteen
Speaker 1: on the Colts, all right, missus Anthony Richardson, Man, this
Speaker 1: guy's a stud I know, I know the passing stats
Speaker 1: weren't incredible yesterday, but man, him running the ball, he
Speaker 1: is He's young Josh Allen. It's young Josh Allen, and
Speaker 1: he's a lot of the offense is just thrown on
Speaker 1: his shoulders didn't run the balls. Watch in the second half.
Speaker 1: It's where the passing game kind of picked up when
Speaker 1: they were forced to pass it being down twenty to nothing. Yea,
Speaker 1: But man, if as long as they're not out of
Speaker 1: the game and he's able to use his legs a
Speaker 1: little bit more, he makes this offense so much more dangerous.
Speaker 2: I mean, let me ask you something. Because we just
Speaker 2: talked about MVP before the break last time, let's talk
Speaker 2: about offensive Rookie the Year for a second. Where who
Speaker 2: should be? Give me the one, two and three in
Speaker 2: order and what it should be right now for offensive
Speaker 2: Rookie the Year. I haven't looked. I haven't looked. I'm
Speaker 2: about to look. But Stroud should be the short shot.
Speaker 2: I've got a Pooka Nakua ticket. I would imagine he
Speaker 2: should be second in Anthony Richardsons.
Speaker 1: To be here. I completely agree with that order.
Speaker 2: Let me see what it is.
Speaker 1: I make sure to hear what the odds are on
Speaker 1: Richardson because I would be interested in.
Speaker 2: A bet there that is. Oh listen, it's Stroud plus
Speaker 2: one seventy five, Nakua plus four to twenty five. I
Speaker 2: am twenty five to one Jon plus four fifty and
Speaker 2: then Antony Anthony Richardson at plus five fifty. The only
Speaker 2: other person in single digits Devon H. Shane at six
Speaker 2: to one. So there you go. You can't you can't
Speaker 2: bet stroud.
Speaker 1: Ahane at those numbers.
Speaker 2: I think, I don't know, there's too many of the guys.
Speaker 2: I don't think you can bet any of those guys
Speaker 2: at those numbers currently. Quite frankly, we'll come back whole
Speaker 2: bunch more games to get to guessing lines looking for value.
Speaker 2: Not sure I found any yet. Numbers game, Visa, the
Speaker 2: Sports Betting network, the numbers told the story they always done.
Speaker 2: Swando's idiots will be analytics. This is a numbers game
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Speaker 2: taking us in, we appreciate it. Skill Alexander is Kelly
Speaker 2: Bidlintle Eye from bar Canada at the d There's nothing
Speaker 2: better than Monday mornings in football season. Like there's just
Speaker 2: not enough time to go through all this stuff. We
Speaker 2: get tweets before we get into games because we got
Speaker 2: a bunch of games to get to here. We get
Speaker 2: tweets at beating the book. This is from Table Max.
Speaker 2: He said, how about them Mastros? Never a doubt? Absolutely,
Speaker 2: by the way, I hope everybody jumped in on the Astros,
Speaker 2: never a doubt, because the Astros clinched yesterday with a
Speaker 2: win and a Rangers loss cuinch the Al West. So
Speaker 2: we hit that at plus one twenty the day that
Speaker 2: we bet. That was it plus one winning or minus
Speaker 2: one twenty the day we bet? Even in my pocket,
Speaker 2: in my pocket, I can pull it out right down
Speaker 2: and tell.
Speaker 1: You I think it was plus one. I think it
Speaker 1: was I think plus it was.
Speaker 2: Plus one twenty.
Speaker 1: It was plus because we kept talking about it when
Speaker 1: it was bouncing back and forth and plus b.
Speaker 2: Well the thing about other people like us, never in doubt.
Speaker 2: I choose to view that differently. It was such a
Speaker 2: good bet that they got swept by the Royals and
Speaker 2: still won the Al West right after we meet.
Speaker 1: It's funny to joke about but you texted that back
Speaker 1: to me because yeah, whoever tweeted that in I basically
Speaker 1: texted the exact same thing to Gil last night. Bet.
Speaker 1: But you know you're right like that is. It was
Speaker 1: a great bet when you know you want it, having
Speaker 1: to go through all that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, by the way, congratulations everybody who had it. Later,
Speaker 2: we're backing overnight in tennis too. Those are at the
Speaker 2: Visa dot Com slash picks page all the tennis places
Speaker 2: where we're at this week. We are in Beijing. We
Speaker 2: were in Tokyo last week. Now we were in Beijing.
Speaker 2: Bet with Bo. Bet with Bo says, how are we
Speaker 2: feeling about the Hamlin comeback Player of the year odds? Now? Cheers? Okay,
Speaker 2: so DeMar Hamlin did they fixed us because Deamar Hamlin
Speaker 2: played football yesterday, but he only played special teams and
Speaker 2: we said, we decided if he played one play on
Speaker 2: defense and made a play on defense, then he's the
Speaker 2: comeback player of the year. Are we allowing for it
Speaker 2: on special teams? We kind of do, right, by the way.
Speaker 2: I don't see the odds correct, I don't know.
Speaker 1: I have him, I have him in front of me.
Speaker 1: I was watching those lives as soon as he yesterday
Speaker 1: when it got announced he was gonna play. Yeah, taken
Speaker 1: down reposted at like I saw one shot. The first
Speaker 1: shot that reposted was like minus three forty on him.
Speaker 2: There you go.
Speaker 1: He's minus two fifty.
Speaker 2: At draft kicks right mine, it's two fifty.
Speaker 1: So I think they're a little bit in between where
Speaker 1: you and I were.
Speaker 2: Thinking, I think you play one play on special teams,
Speaker 2: which he did obviously more than one play. He almost
Speaker 2: died on the field. He's just come back player.
Speaker 1: There you think it's enough. I'm still like, I think
Speaker 1: he needs to make a real tackle on defense, and
Speaker 1: I think those odds reflect that that it's somewhere in
Speaker 1: between or thinking, yeah, yeah, it's.
Speaker 2: A sort of quirk we didn't anticipate. And then one
Speaker 2: more tweet, Michael Burns alerts me to a Mike and
Speaker 2: North tweet. He's just going crazy about the the Eperflus
Speaker 2: decision to go for it fourth and one, tie game
Speaker 2: late and they tried to draw him off sides. They didn't.
Speaker 2: The Bears didn't draw the Broncos off side. They call
Speaker 2: time out. Then they went ahead and did it again
Speaker 2: and Khalil Herbert got stuffed. Broncos come down kick the
Speaker 2: field goal, win the game after after field stres a pick.
Speaker 1: That's another one seth with your quarterback just fall forward?
Speaker 2: What do you just fall forward?
Speaker 1: What are you doing?
Speaker 2: Seth Walder ESPN fourth down bot says it was better
Speaker 2: to kick the field goal there, I believe, but then
Speaker 2: other bots said it was better to go for so
Speaker 2: in the end, really, yes, it was a bit of
Speaker 2: a a bit of a mixed mixed result on that
Speaker 2: in terms of what the bots have to say. But
Speaker 2: there's a football common sense there were you were you
Speaker 2: trying to kick a field goal? You're trying to just
Speaker 2: you were thinking field goal? Yeah, I don't know. Here's
Speaker 2: the thing. If ever Flew survived this, he probably can
Speaker 2: survive anything because now every every subsequent game, no matter
Speaker 2: what happens, if they do anything good, they'd be like, oh,
Speaker 2: they're improving. See never Flews. Maybe I don't know. Maybe
Speaker 2: all right, let's get let's get to some games.
Speaker 1: What do we got still early window on Sunday Giants
Speaker 1: at Dolphins.
Speaker 2: Okay, we don't have to talk about about this because
Speaker 2: the Giants played tonight against the Seahawks, a sight unseen
Speaker 2: on the Giants there one and two. And then the
Speaker 2: Dolphins we talked about. They lost to the Buffalo Bills,
Speaker 2: their first loss of the season, taking him down from
Speaker 2: the rank of the undefeated. Tuah was twenty five to
Speaker 2: thirty five and defeat two eighty two one touchdown, one
Speaker 2: pick you sat four times eighth Chane eight for one
Speaker 2: oh one and two more touchdowns for the rook minus
Speaker 2: two and turnovers though the Dolphins. Was that led directly
Speaker 2: to a plus ten Buffalo net point result of those turnovers? Miami,
Speaker 2: I put it in between the seven and the ten,
Speaker 2: I said, Miami minus eight and a half. Sight unseen
Speaker 2: on the Giants tonight.
Speaker 1: Dolphins nine and a half. Okay, A draft games? Yeah,
Speaker 1: what's next? Saints at Patriots two.
Speaker 2: And two Saints one and three. Patriots talk about teams.
Speaker 2: You can't wrap your arms around the Saints, you know,
Speaker 2: as again, we're gonna get to Burrow. Should Derek Carr
Speaker 2: have been playing in this game?
Speaker 1: Absolutely not.
Speaker 2: After the Saints got a thirty seven yard group a
Speaker 2: field go on their opening drive, it was a punch
Speaker 2: fest till the second quarter. Tampa Bay eighty seven yards
Speaker 2: capped by a Mayfield decayd Otten four yard touchdown pass
Speaker 2: seven to three Tampa after a New Orleans punt. So
Speaker 2: this is the This to me is the key sequence
Speaker 2: of the game. Forty five seconds left in the second quarter,
Speaker 2: second and two at the New Orleans twenty one. Remember
Speaker 2: Tampa Bay's up four already. Mayfield gets picked by Isaac Yadam,
Speaker 2: is that how you pronounced that first play? So you're like, Okay,
Speaker 2: New Orleans is gonna stay. They're only down four. What
Speaker 2: a big play New Orleans made there at the first half.
Speaker 2: At the end of the first half. But the first
Speaker 2: play on the ensuing drive, first and ten at their
Speaker 2: own one. After the pick, Adam Brentis fumbles Antwine Winfield
Speaker 2: Junior with the hit in the recovery, and two plays later,
Speaker 2: Mayfield to Trey Palmer from one out and with nineteen
Speaker 2: seconds left in the half, Tampa Bay makes it fourteen
Speaker 2: to three. And basically that's all she wrote because it
Speaker 2: was a field goal in punt fest in the second half,
Speaker 2: seventeen to nine Tampa So they're up a score, they're
Speaker 2: up eight points. The Bucks then go seventy five yards.
Speaker 2: This is in the fourth quarter Mayfield god Win for
Speaker 2: forty two the big one forty two yard play. Mayfield
Speaker 2: to Devin Tompkins from five out for the touchdown. Twenty
Speaker 2: three to nine, Tampa three forty four left. That was it.
Speaker 2: New Orleans had a four and out. Tampa added to
Speaker 2: McLaughlin twenty eight yard field twenty six to nine with
Speaker 2: two twenty four left, and that's how it would end
Speaker 2: as Jamis came in and immediately threw a pick. Kelly
Speaker 2: one play one pass thirty for thirty d Delaney picks
Speaker 2: it off Derek Carr twenty three of thirty seven for
Speaker 2: one twenty seven, no touchdowns, no picks. He was sacked twice.
Speaker 2: He lost the fumble. Jamis won pass one pick Camara.
Speaker 2: This is a really weird statline for Kamara. Eleven carries
Speaker 2: for fifty one yards and thirteen catches for thirty three. Yeah,
Speaker 2: that's you gotta try to do that.
Speaker 1: So so what does that mean for Derek Carr his
Speaker 1: average air yards attempted. I believe it was point four
Speaker 1: yards because he's just all these dump offs and screen
Speaker 1: passes to Kamara.
Speaker 2: Yeah, one hundred and ninety seven total yards for the Saints,
Speaker 2: minus two and turnovers that led to plus ten net
Speaker 2: Tampa Bay points and then New England, the worst loss
Speaker 2: of Bill Belichick's career. By the way, Sharpe Bonalysis. Kamara
Speaker 2: the first player at NFL history with thirteen plus catches
Speaker 2: in a game and less than seventy yards receiving. He
Speaker 2: only had thirty three.
Speaker 1: He blew that one away.
Speaker 2: Good God, it's like that's Demagio right there. New England
Speaker 2: worst loss of Bill Belichick's career. They just get housed
Speaker 2: by Dallas. Dallas has crushed three opponents and lost to Arizona.
Speaker 2: Teams traded field goals to start the game, New England Dallas.
Speaker 2: Dallas won seventy five yards dack to Lamb from twenty
Speaker 2: out ten to three. Dallas won thirty left first quarter.
Speaker 2: New England had a took his push that failed fourth
Speaker 2: and one at the Dallas forty one thirteen forty nine
Speaker 2: left in the second quarter, Jones was stuffed for no
Speaker 2: game than after a Dallas punt second and twelve with
Speaker 2: their own eight, Jones was sacked. This is where the
Speaker 2: game gets out of hand. Mac Jones sacked by Dante
Speaker 2: Fowler Junior Layton vander esh recovers eleven yards to Paydirt
Speaker 2: sixteen to three. Dallas. Little trickeration on the two point
Speaker 2: conversion angered at golston Us eighteen to three Dallas eleven
Speaker 2: oh nine left in the second quarter. Then it was
Speaker 2: twenty one to three when Jones, who had just completed
Speaker 2: a broken pass, a broken play crossfield pass. He went
Speaker 2: back to the well. He's like, oh, I did it
Speaker 2: once the first time. I could do this again. Oh yeah,
Speaker 2: Second and ten of the Dallas forty eight, with one
Speaker 2: h seven left, he tries it crossfield, picked by Deron
Speaker 2: Bland to the house fifty four yards, twenty eight to three.
Speaker 2: Dolls of the half at the half. By the way,
Speaker 2: that was after Jones almost threw another pick right before
Speaker 2: the half ended, right, so we just threw it in
Speaker 2: the linebacker's chest, I believe. Second half, first drive, fourth
Speaker 2: and two with the Dallas forty for New England eleven
Speaker 2: forty nine left in the third quarter, Jones picked by
Speaker 2: Bland again. That led to a Dallas field goes thirty
Speaker 2: one to three. Anyway, you get the idea. After a
Speaker 2: Pats three and out, Jones was finally benched by Bailey,
Speaker 2: bench by Belichick for Bailey Zappi. Belichick would say later
Speaker 2: that it was it wasn't for a performance. It wasn't
Speaker 2: for a performance, really, Bill, He goes, it just seemed
Speaker 2: like the right thing to do. In his Belichick voice, Ye.
Speaker 1: I'm like performance, it seems like the right thing to do,
Speaker 1: exactly right.
Speaker 2: Dallas added a touchdown later thirty eight to three. Jones
Speaker 2: ended up twelve of twenty one for one fitty, no touchdowns,
Speaker 2: two picks, he was sacked on he lost the fumble.
Speaker 2: Zappi four of nine for fifty seven, ten first downs
Speaker 2: for the Pats, two hundred and fifty three total yards.
Speaker 2: They were minus three and turnovers that led to a
Speaker 2: net plus seventeen Dallas points fourteen completely directly on a
Speaker 2: scoop and score and a and a pick six. So
Speaker 2: I don't know what to do with either of these teams.
Speaker 2: So I just made it New England minus three one
Speaker 2: and a half. Okay, they have a mac Jones massive problem.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so you're serious. This is to me they're based
Speaker 1: them in. The Atlanta Hawks are basically the same thing.
Speaker 1: What about the Atlanta Falcons? Thank you Atlanta Falcons? All right? Great?
Speaker 1: You want to tell me about your defense. Great, you
Speaker 1: want to tell me about your running game? Great? What
Speaker 1: happens when you got to throw the ball. It's a
Speaker 1: freaking disaster.
Speaker 2: Chris collins Worth has the best line ever in football,
Speaker 2: distilled the one sentence most important position in Football's quarterback
Speaker 2: the second most important position is backup quarterback. If you
Speaker 2: don't have an answer, Like, we already know how the
Speaker 2: Patriots feel about Bailey Zappy. They cut him, they waved
Speaker 2: him right, and then brought him back to the practice squad.
Speaker 2: So like, you have no confidence in Bailey ZAPPI either,
Speaker 2: otherwise he'd be playing already. But Mac Jones has the
Speaker 2: other thing where like he is kind of pissy on
Speaker 2: the bench, like in these past weeks, right, he's like
Speaker 2: barking at people. It's like, Bro, you're Mac Jones. You
Speaker 2: can't really act this way you have you don't have
Speaker 2: the Tom Brady pedigree to do this. So I don't know,
Speaker 2: Like he won't be He's not gonna be the quarterback
Speaker 2: next year. But I think you're kind you're stuck with
Speaker 2: him for the rest of the year.
Speaker 1: See, you're at the point where you don't think he's
Speaker 1: the quarterback next year.
Speaker 2: I don't think he's the quarterback. I mean, I don't
Speaker 2: how can you play another season? Goal?
Speaker 1: I don't think he should be. But like, I feel
Speaker 1: like we just went through a whole summer of me
Speaker 1: here and a lot of people that were really really
Speaker 1: high on the Patriots or a whole summer. Four days ago,
Speaker 1: people were really high on the Patriots. Oh you can't
Speaker 1: make this six points against Dallas.
Speaker 2: Their defense was supposed to be quite good. But if
Speaker 2: you're I mean, if you're on the field all game long,
Speaker 2: you're gonna you're gonna start to stink during a football game. Also,
Speaker 2: you're gonna get gassed.
Speaker 1: You know, both these tea.
Speaker 2: Back to this game, I never understood the New Orleans
Speaker 2: to either Tampa Bay looks like the best team in
Speaker 2: the NFC South right now? Would you bet them to
Speaker 2: win the division.
Speaker 1: At this point? I don't know divisions, but I agreed
Speaker 1: they look like the best.
Speaker 2: But like I mean, it's it's hard. Those are two
Speaker 2: teams where it's like you have zero confidence in either
Speaker 2: of them and yet they're capable, much like Tennessee is
Speaker 2: of the random game where they look good yep, and
Speaker 2: that'll take you off the scent of them being super average.
Speaker 1: Well in with Tennessee. In New England, I'm not gonna
Speaker 1: take away like they have good coaches. I'm not gonna
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna take away from that, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean, no question, but I think that's where that
Speaker 1: you know that happens every once in a while.
Speaker 2: Let's get the three after the break guessing lines week
Speaker 2: five right here in a numbers game, it's skill, Alexander,
Speaker 2: we get tweets. I just want to read one of
Speaker 2: these because we got a lot of games to get
Speaker 2: to Scotty B seven twenty six. He says, I didn't
Speaker 2: understand the Demaggio reference in the same way that Joe
Speaker 2: DiMaggio's consecutive hits streak of fifty six games is unlikely
Speaker 2: to ever get broken in baseball. They could, but you
Speaker 2: know it's a tough oneing no one's ever gotten past
Speaker 2: forty four the way that he's so far ahead of
Speaker 2: the rest of that field. Alvin Kamara thirteen plus catches.
Speaker 2: No one with that number of catches has ever gotten
Speaker 2: below seventy yards receiving. He had thirty three. That's why
Speaker 2: I said it was Damasi. Only Skull adds this. He says, uh,
Speaker 2: forgive me, but is it really a took us push?
Speaker 2: If the tuk Us push fails, yes, because you're still
Speaker 2: trying to push the took us yep games, What do
Speaker 2: we got?
Speaker 1: Ravens at Steelers last early.
Speaker 2: Game, Ravens at Steelers three and one Ravens two and
Speaker 2: two Steelers. Baltimore beats Cleveland MC. Here's the thing, did
Speaker 2: you did? You good on you to not have Cleveland
Speaker 2: in the contest, because when we left here Friday, Yeah,
Speaker 2: we leave here Friday, and every literally like nine to
Speaker 2: fifteen pacifics, like fifteen minutes after the show, it starts
Speaker 2: going around, Oh, Deshaun Watson might not play. He's probably
Speaker 2: not gonna play on Sunday. But then like Mary Kay Cabot, right,
Speaker 2: who covers the covers the Browns, She's like, no, I
Speaker 2: just talked to DeShawn. He's absolutely playing. He's a go.
Speaker 2: Only to wake up Sunday morning to find out, Oh,
Speaker 2: Deshaun Watson not playing. So that was fun. Uh, dtr
Speaker 2: going for the Browns. Brown's second drive of the game,
Speaker 2: second and three at the Cleveland forty five dtro Are
Speaker 2: picked off Dorian Thompson Robinson that is picked off deflection
Speaker 2: by Brandon Stevens returns at fifty two yards first play
Speaker 2: from the ten, lamar in seven to nothing, Baltimore six
Speaker 2: thirty eight left, first quarter, seven to three Baltimore. Now
Speaker 2: second and three for Baltimore at the Cleveland thirty six
Speaker 2: ten point fifty three left in the second quarter, Lamar
Speaker 2: fumbled Maurice Hurst recovered, but the Browns couldn't do anything
Speaker 2: with it, and then Baltimore, after a punk, goes ninety
Speaker 2: three yards and eight plays, seven of which were on
Speaker 2: the ground. The only pass play was for thirty six
Speaker 2: to Mark Andrews Lamar in from two out, fourteen to
Speaker 2: three Baltimore. Then after Cleveland three and out, Baltimore was
Speaker 2: seventy four yards, including converting a second and twenty nine
Speaker 2: on a forty three yard connection. Is Zay Flowers Lamar
Speaker 2: to Mark Andrews from six out with seventeen seconds left
Speaker 2: and a half twenty one to three Baltimore at the half,
Speaker 2: three touchdowns versus the vaunted Cleveland D that had given
Speaker 2: up just one touchdown up to that point in the season.
Speaker 2: Up to this game. Second half, teams traded punts three times.
Speaker 2: Then dtr threw a pick with nine to forty six
Speaker 2: left in the game. Geno Stone took it back thirty
Speaker 2: six yards short field thirty eight yard drive for Baltimore.
Speaker 2: Lamar hit Andrews from eighteen out with six point two left,
Speaker 2: ceiling the deal twenty eight to three. Baltimore a trade
Speaker 2: of punts and another dtr pick later, this time by
Speaker 2: Kyle Hammonds. Kyle Hamilton, pardon me. On the last play
Speaker 2: of the game ended it. Lamar fifteen of nineteen for
Speaker 2: one to eighty six, two touchdowns, no picks. He was
Speaker 2: sacked three times, nine carries for twenty seven yards, two
Speaker 2: touchdowns and one fumble loss, Andrews five for eighty two touchdowns.
Speaker 2: Baltimore held Cleveland to one hundred and sixty six total yards.
Speaker 2: They were plus two in turnovers that led to plus
Speaker 2: fourteen Baltimore net points. And then Pittsburgh we already talked about,
Speaker 2: lost to Houston. Kenny Pickett fifteen of twenty three for
Speaker 2: one fourteen before he was hurt in this game, no touchdowns,
Speaker 2: one pick. He was sacked three times. Tru Bis in
Speaker 2: relief three of five for eighteen nase fourteen of seventy
Speaker 2: one on the ground, one catch for thirty two. Pittsburgh
Speaker 2: was out gained by Houston four fifty one two twenty five.
Speaker 2: As we noted, doubled up on first downs twenty four
Speaker 2: to twelve. Baltimore just keeps on chugging. It looks like
Speaker 2: Mitch Trubisky at this point with Pittsburgh no picket, I
Speaker 2: will say Baltimore by three on the road.
Speaker 1: Baltimore four and a half. I'm light, Yeah, four and
Speaker 1: a half.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that. I think your number is better.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I can't argue. Yeah, it was three three and
Speaker 1: a half this morning over at DraftKings. So this has
Speaker 1: ticked up. Ravens taking money. I think, no, no surprise
Speaker 1: with the with the picket news coming down this morning
Speaker 1: that he's gonna miss time. We talked during a break though,
Speaker 1: what would you what's the difference in the spread against
Speaker 1: the picket to Mitch t bisis.
Speaker 2: I think Trubisky's probably worth more. Quite frankly, I think
Speaker 2: he's probably worth a point.
Speaker 1: Or two more tops. It's probably even though I think
Speaker 1: it's gonna break even. I think I think there's a
Speaker 1: lot of people, at least before this season that would
Speaker 1: have said picket at least a couple one or two
Speaker 1: points better. I don't know if that. I don't know
Speaker 1: if that's shifted in there.
Speaker 2: But there are so many quarterbacks where the jury is
Speaker 2: way out on and pickets one of them in this league.
Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, and Ravens, Look, I don't want to take
Speaker 1: too much from that game where you know they blew
Speaker 1: out the Browns with D t R just in that game.
Speaker 1: Just didn't eat it blowing in that game. I don't
Speaker 1: want to. I don't want to overblow things when it
Speaker 1: comes to the Ravens. But man, this team is really
Speaker 1: banged up and they are still just picking up shugging
Speaker 1: what I mean like shugging like we always we've talked about,
Speaker 1: you're banking these wins, like these wins are banked and
Speaker 1: no matter all these injuries, you're still getting through this
Speaker 1: in a very tough division. What a great organization it
Speaker 1: really is, all right? First, uh, late window game Eagles
Speaker 1: at Rams four.
Speaker 2: And O Eagles only the Eagles and Niners are undefeated.
Speaker 2: Four and O Eagles at the Rams two and two
Speaker 2: Rams Hurts in victory over Washington twenty five to thirty
Speaker 2: seven for three nineteen two touchdowns. No Pixie was sacked
Speaker 2: three times AJ Brown nine for one to seventy five
Speaker 2: two touchdowns. By that tawning penalty game, Washington good field
Speaker 2: position on their game tying drive. As it turned out,
Speaker 2: Eagles had eleven penalties for eighty one yards. Washington always
Speaker 2: gives them trouble and then the Rams beating the Colts
Speaker 2: in overtime after coughing up a twenty three point lead.
Speaker 2: Stafford twenty seven to forty for three to nineteen, one touchdown,
Speaker 2: one pick. He sacked twice. Kyron Williams twenty five for
Speaker 2: one oh three and two scores. Poka Nakua nine for
Speaker 2: one sixty three in a touch first touchdown of his career.
Speaker 2: Thirty nine catches in four career games, the most by
Speaker 2: any player in his first four games of their career. Ever,
Speaker 2: five hundred and one receiving yards in his first four
Speaker 2: career games, the most by any player the first four
Speaker 2: games of their career. They outgained in Indianapolis for sixty
Speaker 2: seven to three twenty nine a thirty nine forty six
Speaker 2: to twenty four to twenty five advantage in top Philadelphia
Speaker 2: minus four.
Speaker 1: On the road minus five, So right in that same
Speaker 1: dead zone. Okay, should we do one more? Yeahs do
Speaker 1: one more? Four h five Eastern Bengals at Cardinals.
Speaker 2: Burrow in that lost to Tennessee twenty of thirty for
Speaker 2: one sixty five, no touchdowns. No Pixie was sacked three times.
Speaker 2: Jamar Chase seven catchers, seventy three yards. Here's his quote
Speaker 2: after the game. I'm open. I'm always blank and open.
Speaker 2: That's your unquote right there. Outgained by Tennessee four hundred
Speaker 2: and to eleven Arizona against the Niners. They lose to
Speaker 2: the Niners, but not without a fight. After they're incredible.
Speaker 2: They're incredible. After an Arizona punt, Niners won sixty two
Speaker 2: yards for a touchdown mccafrey in from one seven to
Speaker 2: nothing Niners. Then after another Arizona punt, Niners won seventy
Speaker 2: five yards, including a party to Kittle nine yard conversion
Speaker 2: on a fourth and five at the Arizona forty two
Speaker 2: plays later, McCaffrey in from eighteen fourteen to nothing nine
Speaker 2: Ers two plays into the second quarter. Then after the
Speaker 2: Cardinals make it fourteen to three on a Prater thirty
Speaker 2: eight yard field goal, Niners go another seventy five yards
Speaker 2: perty to Ayuk for forty two. The big play Perdy
Speaker 2: to McCaffrey from six out twenty one to three Niners
Speaker 2: five twenty two left in the second quarter, and you're like, Oh,
Speaker 2: they're just gonna roll them, noop, not Jonathan Gannon's Arizona Cardinals.
Speaker 2: Cardinals go seventy five yards, including a fourth and two
Speaker 2: at their own twenty one three forty five left, fake
Speaker 2: punt at their own twenty one down eighteen snap to
Speaker 2: the up back of Egil Turner. He gets two yards.
Speaker 2: Then they matriculate hops to Michael Wilson from sixteen out
Speaker 2: twenty one to ten San Francisco right after a Dobbs
Speaker 2: to Wilson thirty three yard connection. We go to the half.
Speaker 2: Second half after a Niner spunt, Arizona then goes ninety
Speaker 2: nine yards Dobs to Marquise Brown for forty one. The
Speaker 2: big play Dobbs to Michael Wilson again from made out
Speaker 2: twenty one to sixteen. Two point conversion fails on a
Speaker 2: James Connor run four to twelve left in the third quarter.
Speaker 2: Oh boy, oh boy, oh boy, they're only down five
Speaker 2: and half. The survivor field has the Niners. The Niners, though,
Speaker 2: then because they're the Niners, they immediately go seventy five yards,
Speaker 2: beginning with a Perty two a Uke thirty four yard
Speaker 2: pass play, Endian and McCaffrey one yard run twenty eight
Speaker 2: to sixteen nine ers fourteen twenty two left, and then
Speaker 2: after an Arizona punt San Francisco eighty nine yards, methodically,
Speaker 2: surgically clinically Perty in from one thirty five to sixteen
Speaker 2: with one to fifty nine left ball, but the spread
Speaker 2: was still in doubt. Kelly last two plays from the
Speaker 2: fifteen yard line. Ertz drops a short touchdown pass, then
Speaker 2: Zach Pascal can't make the catch in the corner of
Speaker 2: the end zone either. What an escape for Niners backers
Speaker 2: and a brutal loss for Cardinals backers. Dobbs ended up
Speaker 2: twenty eight to forty one for two to sixty five,
Speaker 2: two touchdowns, No Pixie with sack ones twelve carries for
Speaker 2: forty eight yards and Mike Wilson seven for seventy six
Speaker 2: and two touchdowns. Cincinnati at Arizona, I will say the
Speaker 2: Cardinals by one and a half.
Speaker 1: Oh wow, Bengals three and a half point favorites on
Speaker 1: the road. I believe this opened even higher.
Speaker 2: Is the market does the market watch NFL football game?
Speaker 1: So the look ahead on this? I think the look
Speaker 1: ahead on this was like eight and we were even ticking.
Speaker 2: This is this is a max. What is the line
Speaker 2: right now?
Speaker 1: Bengals four?
Speaker 2: This is a max bet on Arizona right now? This
Speaker 2: we talk about first week, we talk about first instincts
Speaker 2: on guessing lines coming through every week and sometimes multiple
Speaker 2: game this year, how are the Joe Burrow cannot move,
Speaker 2: he can't move, he can't move, Higgins out, This was
Speaker 2: eight last week. Joe Burrow is in shotgun every play.
Speaker 2: He's never be under center, He's in shotgun. He cannot
Speaker 2: move out of the pocket. He can't move. And Arizona
Speaker 2: shows up every game. By the way, Arizona just in
Speaker 2: season window. I haven't looked at it. Over might be
Speaker 2: the play right now because that team is great. It
Speaker 2: is great in terms of what their expectations were. Jonathan
Speaker 2: Gannon and I know because they're one and three, he
Speaker 2: can't be considered for coach of the year, but he's
Speaker 2: honestly doing a coach of the year job for that team.
Speaker 2: That team, that team is so live every game. Can't
Speaker 2: have more respect for them. And you're saying Cincinnati is
Speaker 2: favored before. You gotta be kidding me.
Speaker 1: There the greatest one and three football team that's just
Speaker 1: signed a quarterback seven weeks ago I've ever seen.
Speaker 2: Right before the season started, only four. By the way,
Speaker 2: how about Cleveland getting rid of Dobbs? You don't think
Speaker 2: they would have wanted him. Y.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that might be h that might have come in handy.
Speaker 2: What's the second most important position in football? Backup? Quarterback? Wow?
Speaker 2: Can't believe that line coming back with more. Next two things, One,
Speaker 2: we didn't do the Survivor or sounder today because pretty
Speaker 2: much everybody advanced in the Survivor.
Speaker 1: But you don't feel they want to throw that in
Speaker 1: at any point just to make it official.
Speaker 2: Yeah. The other thing is I that entire break. I
Speaker 2: am stunned by that line. Stunned by that Cardinals Bengals line.
Speaker 1: I think you made it move there, Gilly uh, Mike
Speaker 1: don Best has lit up like a Christmas tree. We're
Speaker 1: down a three and a half pretty much everywhere right
Speaker 1: after that segment. Yep.
Speaker 2: I just don't understand it, man, I just are are
Speaker 2: they watching football?
Speaker 1: I think there? I think it goes back to the
Speaker 1: conversation we have all the time. Now where you're going
Speaker 1: with your priors. You're gonna move off your priors? Right?
Speaker 1: It was an eight point look ahead line, yes, and
Speaker 1: I just don't think they want to move it more
Speaker 1: than four and a half points.
Speaker 2: It's exactly it, It's exactly what it is because in
Speaker 2: the off season, and all, raise my hand, we all
Speaker 2: thought Arizona was going to be the awful team that
Speaker 2: you could pick on every week and even something like Survivor.
Speaker 2: And we all thought Cincinnati was one of the elite
Speaker 2: teams in the NFL. Neither is the case. Not even close. Wow,
Speaker 2: I had Arizona's a one and a half point favorite.
Speaker 2: That's a max bet. I just bet it myself. I
Speaker 2: just beted myself at plus four on the break. Good
Speaker 2: you got four. The only place that had the four
Speaker 2: left was where in.
Speaker 1: Town south Point?
Speaker 2: Of all the places, Chrissy is the only one not listening.
Speaker 2: That's right, all right?
Speaker 1: What's next? Four twenty five Eastern Jets at Broncos.
Speaker 2: One in three and one in three? How about the
Speaker 2: Jettisons last night? How about the Jetropolitans.
Speaker 1: I was waiting for one of those games. I wish
Speaker 1: they would have won it because I wasn't involved. I
Speaker 1: root for Zach Wilson.
Speaker 2: On the megapod, we were asked, what's the big favorite
Speaker 2: you think is the most likely to lose? Outright? And
Speaker 2: I said, the Chiefs, Did I bet accordingly? I did,
Speaker 2: of course, Yeah, I did not Chiefs looked like they
Speaker 2: were gonna blow out the Jets. Last night, Chiefs got
Speaker 2: a Butcker thirty seven yard field go on the first
Speaker 2: drive three to nothing. Then after in Jets three and out,
Speaker 2: Pacheco takes it to the house from forty eight out
Speaker 2: ten to nothing. Kansas City. Who is it that said
Speaker 2: this last night? Somebody on ESPN, OH, I think it
Speaker 2: was Tim Hasselbeck said, but Checko runs like he's angry
Speaker 2: at the ground. It's such a great description. Then a
Speaker 2: Jets four and out after the Jets punted fourth and
Speaker 2: one at their own forty one. This was sort of
Speaker 2: the underrated thing of last night's game that neither of
Speaker 2: the announcers seized on. Sala kept like taking points off
Speaker 2: the board potentially, so fourth and one at the at
Speaker 2: their own forty one, he decides to punt down ten
Speaker 2: to nothing. Casey then goes eighty nine yards, Mahomes to
Speaker 2: Pacheco for thirty three, a big play on the drive.
Speaker 2: Mahomes to Gray for thirty four to the house three
Speaker 2: plays later, seventeen to nothing. Kansas City. At that point
Speaker 2: in the game, three twenty four left in the first quarter,
Speaker 2: Chiefs had run eighteen plays and scored seventeen points, so
Speaker 2: that's pretty good. Then a six play drive for the Jets.
Speaker 2: They have to punt it third down for Kansas City
Speaker 2: at their own seven. Now here's where things start to shift.
Speaker 2: A face mask penalty is called on Juwan Taylor in
Speaker 2: the end zone for a safety, but replay showed that
Speaker 2: Juwan Taylor, oh, he didn't wait till the end zone
Speaker 2: to grab the face mask. He grabbed it outside of
Speaker 2: the end zone. It should not have been a safety. Nonetheless,
Speaker 2: seventeen to two Kansas City, thirteen twenty left in the
Speaker 2: second quarter. The Jets that matriculate Wilson to Lazard the
Speaker 2: big play thirty nine yards, they settle for a zer
Speaker 2: line thirty one yard field goal on fourth and three
Speaker 2: at the KC thirteen. Sala elects not to go for
Speaker 2: that seventeen to five, nine to fifty left in the
Speaker 2: second quarter. So again all these little moments that sort
Speaker 2: of get washed away where Sala's like, well, just we'll
Speaker 2: punt it, or we'll kick the field goal here. Whatever.
Speaker 2: That came back to haunt the Jets later. But again,
Speaker 2: Tarico and Collins, we didn't really sees on it. Mahomes
Speaker 2: immediately picked by Ashton Davis by the way on maybe
Speaker 2: the worst pass I've ever seen Patrick Mahomes ever throw
Speaker 2: way underthrown intended for Gray than a horse collar that
Speaker 2: wasn't called on Casey's Derek Noddy set the Jets up
Speaker 2: at the Kansas City twenty nine Six plays later, Wilson
Speaker 2: to C. J. Zoma for one out, seventeen to twelve
Speaker 2: Kansas City, six twenty six left in the second quarter.
Speaker 2: Chiefs go downfield. They escape a CJ. Moseley pick when
Speaker 2: Mahomes and Kelsey weren't on the same pageh Butker from
Speaker 2: thirty seven twenty to twelve Kansas City, two fifteen left
Speaker 2: in the half. Then the Jets get to a fourth
Speaker 2: and one at the Casey thirty four to thirty seconds left,
Speaker 2: zerline joints of fifty two yarder first plan suing drive
Speaker 2: Mahomes picked by Moseley, twenty to twelve Kansas City. The app.
Speaker 2: Mahomes just played the worst app I've ever seen him play.
Speaker 2: Jets get the ball. Second half, Jets go seventy five
Speaker 2: yards Wilson to Lzard from ten out, two point version
Speaker 2: Wilson in from two twenty to twenty were tied ten
Speaker 2: forty left of the third quarter, three and out for Casey,
Speaker 2: three and out for the Jets. Casey punt first place.
Speaker 2: Subsequent drive first and ten to thrown fifteen Breese for
Speaker 2: how many yards? Here We're all lost it here Breist
Speaker 2: goes forty three yards with the drive stalls punt. Kansas
Speaker 2: City gets a Butcker twenty six yardfield goal to put
Speaker 2: them back up twenty three to twenty ten to fifty
Speaker 2: one left in the game. And then here's the play
Speaker 2: second to nine at the CAC forty nine for the Jets. Wilson,
Speaker 2: after a game in which Collinsworth and Tarrico bent over
Speaker 2: backwards to praise him for every little thing that he
Speaker 2: did in this game. In shotgun, he fumbles the snap
Speaker 2: whoops recovered by Tershawn Wharton, seven to twenty four left,
Speaker 2: seven twenty four left Kelly seven to twenty four. Basically
Speaker 2: half of the quarter, and the Chiefs are up three,
Speaker 2: and the Chiefs are going nowhere. In fact, they're going
Speaker 2: backwards from the Jets forty seven, and they end up
Speaker 2: because Mahomes almost through another pick, they end up third
Speaker 2: and twenty two at their own forty one A six
Speaker 2: twenty one left. Mahomes runs for twenty four, then third
Speaker 2: and twenty at the Jets forty a defensive hold called
Speaker 2: on Sauce with four to nineteen left and another first
Speaker 2: under three minutes. The Jets started forced to use their timeouts,
Speaker 2: but it doesn't matter because Casey runs out the clock
Speaker 2: twenty three to twenty Kansas City, including Mahomes sliding after
Speaker 2: he passed the sticks, but right before he got to
Speaker 2: the end zone on third and eight from the eleven
Speaker 2: with two minutes left. That sealed the deal. Sorry, conspiracy theorists,
Speaker 2: that's how you win the game. He was supposed to
Speaker 2: do that. He did it correctly. Chiefs win by three.
Speaker 2: Wilson in defeat twenty eight for thirty nine for two
Speaker 2: forty five, two touchdowns, no picks. He was sacked twice
Speaker 2: and of course the fumble lost, which was huge. Who
Speaker 2: are they playing? Man? Denver? Denver Wilson in defeat to
Speaker 2: the Bears twenty one of twenty eight for two to
Speaker 2: twenty three, three touchdowns, no picks. He was sacked once
Speaker 2: in the win. Pardon me over, Chicago outgained by Chicago
Speaker 2: four seventy one to three eleven. Denver was plus two
Speaker 2: in turnovers where we talked about both in the fourth quarter,
Speaker 2: the sack scoop and score a tie the game at
Speaker 2: twenty eight, and then the pick to end it from
Speaker 2: Justin Fields Jets at Denver. Remember before the season, I
Speaker 2: said with Rogers the gauntlet of their first six games
Speaker 2: for the Jets. With Rogers, if you give him the
Speaker 2: three and you give him truth serum, they'll take it immediately.
Speaker 2: As soon as Rogers got hurt in that first game
Speaker 2: with the Achilles tear, the Jets still won that game.
Speaker 2: They're one and oh, I said with Wilson through the
Speaker 2: six game gauntlet, they should take the two and four immediately.
Speaker 2: This is the game where they got to get the two.
Speaker 2: They gotta win this case. They got to win this
Speaker 2: game at Denver. I'll say Denver minus one and a half.
Speaker 2: I split the difference between a pick him and three.
Speaker 1: Denver two to two and a half pretty much everywhere.
Speaker 2: Okay, thanks were back to normalcy after that. About to
Speaker 2: after that, Arizona Bank lost guess DraftKings down to three
Speaker 2: on that game.
Speaker 1: By the way down on Bengals Cardinals, are you serious?
Speaker 2: Wow?
Speaker 1: Uh?
Speaker 2: Chiefs Vikings? So glad I got that in right there.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Chiefs Vikings for twenty five.
Speaker 2: Three and one Chiefs one in three Vikings who got
Speaker 2: off the schneid with that win over the Panthers. Mahomes
Speaker 2: in that game against the Jets was eighteen of thirty
Speaker 2: for two oh three, one touchdown, two picks, one sack,
Speaker 2: seven carries for fifty one yards. He was not good
Speaker 2: yesterday and yet still found a way go twenty for
Speaker 2: one to fifteen on the ground, three catches for forty
Speaker 2: three yards. And then Minnesota with that win over Carolina
Speaker 2: Kirk Cousins twelve completed forward passes for Kirk Cousins twelve
Speaker 2: for nineteen for one thirty nine, two touchdowns, two picks,
Speaker 2: He was sacked twice. Jefferson six catches for eighty five yards.
Speaker 2: Minnesota held Carolina only two hundred and thirty two total yards,
Speaker 2: but Minnesota only had two sixty five themselves, and Carolina
Speaker 2: out time of possession of them thirty eight twenty nine
Speaker 2: to twenty one thirty one case minus six at Minnesota
Speaker 2: probably light on that.
Speaker 1: Uh no, kay, uh you know what? It opened like six.
Speaker 1: I think most places it is pretty much five five.
Speaker 2: And a half. Yeah, Okay, Minnesota buddy coming in by
Speaker 2: the way. That so as we talked about the Jets
Speaker 2: just now and also Minnesota in the same segment for
Speaker 2: a while there, that's Zach Wilson performance because he was
Speaker 2: much better last night. And if they won that game,
Speaker 2: and as they were as they got to a twenty
Speaker 2: to twenty score and then they had the ball at
Speaker 2: twenty twenty and it looked the Jets had a possibility
Speaker 2: of pulling off this upset. It reminded me a little
Speaker 2: bit of that Kirk Cousins you like that game when
Speaker 2: he played at Washington, where up until that point in
Speaker 2: his career he was a historically epic turnover machine. Yep,
Speaker 2: RG three. He had to sit behind RG three. RG
Speaker 2: three got hurt, scuttled away, obviously tragedy. And then Kirk
Speaker 2: Cousins became the starting quarterback and he was just historical
Speaker 2: rate of turnovers. Now a lot of people are sort
Speaker 2: of snickering like is and he's still on a historical turnovers. No,
Speaker 2: then he was really historical, and then they were down
Speaker 2: twenty four to nothing. Washington was in a twenty fifteen
Speaker 2: game against the Tampa Bay Buccaneers at home. They came
Speaker 2: all the way like Kirk Cousins. I remember at the
Speaker 2: end of the first half he hit like Jamison Crowder
Speaker 2: with a pass, then he hit peerre Garson with another
Speaker 2: they scored, and you're like, ah, what a great drive
Speaker 2: from Kirk Cousins. And then the second half he was like,
Speaker 2: Oh my god, who is this guy? And they came
Speaker 2: back and they beat Tampa Bay and that's what sparked
Speaker 2: the hole. You liked that thing. I sort of felt like,
Speaker 2: if the Jets had pulled that off last night, that
Speaker 2: was gonna be Zach Wilson's you liked that game, but
Speaker 2: it didn't happen.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm rooting for sex. Everybody's crushing the poor kid.
Speaker 1: Poor guy. This is like his whole career, you know that,
Speaker 1: Like this season, After this season, you're you're you're gonna
Speaker 1: be relegated to backup duty and then oh boy, you
Speaker 1: boy probably got about a year or two of that
Speaker 1: and you might be out of the lead.
Speaker 2: At least he took responsibility last night for that fumble, though.
Speaker 2: It's easy to do when you play well and then
Speaker 2: you just have the work bad play and you're like, ah,
Speaker 2: so much.
Speaker 1: I could have wanted if I didn't do that.
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Speaker 2: the book, Michael Burns pointing out I'll be headed to
Speaker 2: the window after the show. He's absolutely right about that,
Speaker 2: Joe Abraham, I have been guessing lines for decades on
Speaker 2: Sunday Night, and I've never been I've never ever been
Speaker 2: close to as wrong as I am on Cincinnati at Arizona.
Speaker 2: I had Arizona at minus two and a half. Bet
Speaker 2: them last night at plus five and a half, I
Speaker 2: had no doubt Gil would be right there with me.
Speaker 2: I sure was go one, just me, Eric Eric at
Speaker 2: e fezy four fifty. Would you take Zach Wilson over
Speaker 2: Desmond Ritter right now in Atlanta?
Speaker 1: I think about that.
Speaker 2: I don't. It's exactly my reaction. I don't even want
Speaker 2: to waste the brain space to think about that. I
Speaker 2: have no idea if I would. Sports of Cousins had
Speaker 2: more yards completed to the Panthers that he did to
Speaker 2: his own team? Is that right? Old on?
Speaker 1: Let me check this well, ninety nine yards on one,
Speaker 1: thirty one on the other.
Speaker 2: I think Cousins to his team beat him by nine yards.
Speaker 2: Actually he won, he won by nine yards. I think,
Speaker 2: just all right.
Speaker 1: Quick, everybody's gonna watch the replay of Cousins trying to
Speaker 1: catch catch the returner on that that pick Sixever, I forget.
Speaker 2: Who the quarter was, Sam Franklin, I believe, yeah.
Speaker 1: I think I think you're right now, Yeah Franklin Franklin,
Speaker 1: and it was. It's just so great. You watch how
Speaker 1: many times Franklin checks back on Cousins, and because he
Speaker 1: kind of does the whole is he still really trying.
Speaker 1: Oh he's still trying. I've got a I've got a
Speaker 1: group of blockers heading up behind me that I could feel.
Speaker 1: He looks over and it's like, Kirk, don't make me
Speaker 1: slow down, and like, let you get blown up. And
Speaker 1: then Kirk still hustling over his heart as he can,
Speaker 1: and Franklin just pumps on the brakes, reel lightly and
Speaker 1: demolished Cousins.
Speaker 2: This play was the first of all the pass was
Speaker 2: so bad.
Speaker 1: It was so bad.
Speaker 2: And then even before that part you could tell Kirk
Speaker 2: in his head like, did this whole pro tractor angle thing?
Speaker 2: You know, I'm not as fast as this. Oh he
Speaker 2: got the angle, so yeah, he perfectly measured it. He's like,
Speaker 2: if I run for the twenty, I'll get there perfectly.
Speaker 2: And then Sam Franklin's reaction was exactly what you said.
Speaker 1: Is he really tried, He's really trying.
Speaker 2: He gets trucked. You pointed out off areas like and
Speaker 2: then the conversation that Kevin O'Connell must have with Cousins afterwards. Okay,
Speaker 2: so now that that's over, let's talk about the next drive.
Speaker 1: Now that you're now that you're gassed, winsick and pain
Speaker 1: let's talk about this next drive that's about to start immediately.
Speaker 1: I love just I love with these athletes. They could
Speaker 1: revert back to like middle school mindset. Right, it's oh,
Speaker 1: I made a mistake. I better run down there and
Speaker 1: clean it up. Yeah, like O'Connell doesn't want you making
Speaker 1: that tackle either. Just go down.
Speaker 2: They pay you millions. Man.
Speaker 1: All right, let's get the good stuff. You're ready? Yeah, game,
Speaker 1: I'm most excited for this whole season so far. Sunday
Speaker 1: Night football, Cowboys at Niners.
Speaker 2: Marquee matchup three and one Cowboys four and oh nine ers.
Speaker 2: Did you want to say something to me off air?
Speaker 2: By the way, when he left your le go, I have
Speaker 2: to say to you in air?
Speaker 1: Yeah? I wanted to. I wanted to wanted you to
Speaker 1: move this number too.
Speaker 2: Oh so what you wanted me to?
Speaker 1: Uh?
Speaker 2: Three and one Cowboys four and h nine ers. Dak
Speaker 2: Prescott in that just blowout of the Patriots twenty eight
Speaker 2: of thirty four for two to sixty one, one touchdown,
Speaker 2: no picks, sack three times. They held New England. Dallas
Speaker 2: did to ten first downs, two hundred and fifty three
Speaker 2: total yards. They were plus three in turnovers. New England
Speaker 2: had three, Dallas had none, led to a net plus
Speaker 2: seventeen Dallas points, as we pointed out, fourteen of which
Speaker 2: were immediate on the scoop and score in the pick
Speaker 2: six San Francisco in their win over Arizona Purty Brock
Speaker 2: Perty twenty of twenty one for two eighty three. I've
Speaker 2: been doing this show for you for over a decade.
Speaker 2: I don't think I ever remember. I could be wrong
Speaker 2: somebody completing or attempting more than twenty passes and only
Speaker 2: having one incomplete twenty for twenty one for two eighty three,
Speaker 2: one touchdown, no picks, he was sacked one's. Perty did
Speaker 2: not throw an in completion till his fourteenth pass that
Speaker 2: was in the third quarter. And then McCaffrey twenty four
Speaker 2: one oh six and three touchd on the ground seven
Speaker 2: for seventy one in a touchdown, receiving thirteenth straight game
Speaker 2: including the playoffs, that McCaffrey has scored a touchdown in
Speaker 2: a Niners uniform. That breaks an all time franchise record
Speaker 2: previously held by Jerry Rice and I mentioned earlier when
Speaker 2: we were talking about MVP. He has six hundred total
Speaker 2: yards in four games. The record is held by Chris
Speaker 2: Johnson north of twenty five hundred yards from scrimmage in
Speaker 2: a sixteen game schedule. Like McCaffrey could beat that at
Speaker 2: this pace, at this pace, he would.
Speaker 1: I mean, I feel like that Chris Johnson here, you'll
Speaker 1: never forget, never forget.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know what I mean. That was a thing
Speaker 2: the whole season. I mean to just get McCaffrey. Oh,
Speaker 2: where the Niners were good already. Oh, and now we
Speaker 2: have Christian McCaffrey. I used six catches for one forty eight.
Speaker 2: We're getting to the point that brock Purty might be
Speaker 2: the biggest misevaluation of.
Speaker 1: A player in the history of the NFL draft. We're
Speaker 1: getting that. Oh, don't worry, Gill, There'll still be people
Speaker 1: five weeks from now being like, well, I would say
Speaker 1: the Niners are the best team, but I'm not sure
Speaker 1: about Brock.
Speaker 2: Perty San Francisco minus four and half.
Speaker 1: San Francisco minus three and the hook it's too light.
Speaker 2: I think it's too light.
Speaker 1: You laying it anyways, at this number, I gotta sit
Speaker 1: back and I gotta think about it. I think I'm
Speaker 1: just gonna be sitting back and enjoying this game because.
Speaker 2: The Cincinnati Arizona spread has overridden everything else on this show.
Speaker 2: You can't even I can't concentrate.
Speaker 1: I mean the problem is with these with these two teams,
Speaker 1: Dallas and San Francisco, they haven't played anybody could yet.
Speaker 2: Dallas has three absolute blowouts of opponents and then they
Speaker 2: got punched in the mouth by Arizona, right, and San
Speaker 2: Francisco is just.
Speaker 1: I mean, okay, fine, you went through Pittsburgh, you went
Speaker 1: through the Rams, Giants in Arizona. You did what you
Speaker 1: were supposed to it did what you're supposed to do.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's true. Monday Night, what do we got.
Speaker 1: Monday Night Packers at Raiders?
Speaker 2: Oh? We actually they talked about the Raiders. Packers lost
Speaker 2: to the Lions. They'll have extra rest Thursday night game
Speaker 2: this past week. They're two and two, the Raiders are
Speaker 2: one and three. No Jimmy g Yesterday it ended up
Speaker 2: not being Brian Hoyer either. It ended up being Ad
Speaker 2: and O'Connell. And I think pointed this out, like if
Speaker 2: you glance at Aid and O'Connell, he's about the same size,
Speaker 2: maybe a little taller than Derek Carr, but he's wearing
Speaker 2: the same uniform number He's about the same size and
Speaker 2: if you glance at his face, he almost looks like
Speaker 2: Derek Carr. You're like, wait a minute, did they get
Speaker 2: Derek Carray. Chargers took the opening drive of the game
Speaker 2: eighty six yards, ended in a Herbert twelve yard touchdown run.
Speaker 2: Teams traded punts and the Raiders won sixty four yards
Speaker 2: ad O'Connell in from one. It was tied up at
Speaker 2: seven apiece forty five seconds left in the first quarter.
Speaker 2: Then after Cameron Dicker, the kicker thirty three yard field
Speaker 2: goal to put the Chargers up ten to seven, and
Speaker 2: with ten thirty six left in the second quarter, Raiders
Speaker 2: first play of the subsequent drive, O'Connell, intended for Davante Adams,
Speaker 2: did hurt himself. Michael Davis tried to break it up.
Speaker 2: Davis's weight landed on Adams. I think his hand specifically,
Speaker 2: I don't know. He went to the locker room. He
Speaker 2: would return, though. Two plays later O'Connell was sacked. I
Speaker 2: thought it was the tuck rule, but he fumbled. They
Speaker 2: recovered and they ruled it a fumble recovered by Chris Rump,
Speaker 2: then helped along with by a Jerry Tillery on sports
Speaker 2: and like penalty hitting Herbert when he was already out
Speaker 2: of bounds, and a disqualification ensued Herbert to allen from
Speaker 2: seven out seventeen to seven Chargers seven to twenty left.
Speaker 2: Second quarter, fourth subsequent drive, O'Connell, sacked by Khalil Mack fumbles,
Speaker 2: Austin Johnson recovers six plays thirty five yards later Herbert
Speaker 2: in on fourth and goal from the one. I guess
Speaker 2: on the Drew Brees play twenty four to seven. I
Speaker 2: guess he was over twenty four to seven. That would
Speaker 2: be the halftime score. Second half, after trading punts, the
Speaker 2: Raiders cut it to twenty four to ten on a
Speaker 2: Carlson twenty two yardfield go four to fifty one left
Speaker 2: in the third quarter. Herbert then picked by Trayvon Marriing,
Speaker 2: but just results in another trade of punts. Then the
Speaker 2: Raiders do go sixty yards Jacobson from one on fourth
Speaker 2: and goal after McDaniels fails to challenge on the previous
Speaker 2: play when Adams appeared to score a touchdown that was
Speaker 2: ruled short Esventually two plays later, McDaniels is like, eh,
Speaker 2: let's make it more difficult. He doesn't challenge it then
Speaker 2: down eight instead of going for two. He's old school.
Speaker 2: He kicked the extra point, so add him to the
Speaker 2: list of coaches that don't know to go for two.
Speaker 2: Twenty four to seventeen, three to fifty nine left. So
Speaker 2: you're figuring the Chargers have this big lead. Oh my god,
Speaker 2: are they gonna coast into a victory? Of course not.
Speaker 2: Chargers four won at their own thirty four, three thirty
Speaker 2: four left, Herbert stuffed on an attempted tilk his Bush
Speaker 2: Raiders ball fourth and ten at the Chargers twenty two.
Speaker 2: All the Chargers need is one stop, of course, not
Speaker 2: O'Connell to Adams for nineteen, but first and goal at
Speaker 2: the three chance to tie the game O'Connell picked by Asante.
Speaker 2: Samuel only has O'Connell to pat and he goes down
Speaker 2: for no reason.
Speaker 1: What was with that?
Speaker 2: Two thirty three left. Raiders still have the two minute
Speaker 2: warning and one timeount third and ten, then at their
Speaker 2: own eleven with two minutes left. It's the play of
Speaker 2: the game. What do you do? Do you run and
Speaker 2: milk the clock or do you pass and try to
Speaker 2: end it? You have justin Herbert good on the Chargers.
Speaker 2: You throw it Herbert to Joshua Palmer for fifty one.
Speaker 2: Eh maybe a bit of a push off ball game
Speaker 2: bails out Samuel. Chargers win at twenty four to seventeen.
Speaker 2: O'Connell twenty four to thirty nine and defeat for two
Speaker 2: thirty eight, no touchdowns one pick him sex seven times.
Speaker 1: Six by Khalil Mack six, who.
Speaker 2: Also, by the way, force two fumbles. O'Connell had two fumbles,
Speaker 2: lost Jacobs seventeen to fifty eight on the ground with
Speaker 2: a touchdown eight for eighty one, catching minus two and
Speaker 2: turnovers the Raiders were that led to plus fourteen. Chargers
Speaker 2: net points might have been plus twenty one if Samuel
Speaker 2: had kept running. By the way, what was this green
Speaker 2: bay at the Raiders? Yes, Raiders. I split the difference
Speaker 2: between the pick them and the three I said, one
Speaker 2: and a.
Speaker 1: Half for the Raiders is moving the other way. Packers
Speaker 1: up to two and a half point favorites.
Speaker 2: You know what, that's probably right. They're probably the right
Speaker 2: team favorite.
Speaker 1: I agree. I've been just laughing at the Cardinals. Have
Speaker 1: screwed with your brains so much.
Speaker 2: I can't get I can't think of anything else. Is
Speaker 2: it possible to make the Cardinals all five of my
Speaker 2: picks next week, and.
Speaker 1: I don't think that's gonna work. That's work work.
Speaker 2: That's my biggest takeaway that that's the biggest. The record
Speaker 2: for the biggest off guests I've ever had is seven points.
Speaker 2: There was a Pittsburgh Miami Monday night game some years
Speaker 2: ago that some people will remember if they if they've
Speaker 2: been listening to guessing lines for a long time, But
Speaker 2: that one right there is probably second.
Speaker 1: Probably second. I'm with you, man down to three at DraftKings,
Speaker 1: just I don't know what you got. You just can't
Speaker 1: trust this Beangals team and Joe Burrow right now, he's
Speaker 1: too hurt. It's too hurt, he can't move. I hope
Speaker 1: there was something in there that triggered a bet for you.
Speaker 1: We've done all we can do.