1 00:00:01,240 --> 00:00:14,800 Speaker 1: The volume. This is Prime Cuts, the best of the 2 00:00:14,840 --> 00:00:18,880 Speaker 1: Colin Coward Podcast. Another huge week. We have Jimmy Kimmel 3 00:00:19,040 --> 00:00:22,040 Speaker 1: talking about the biggest influences in which NBA player reminds 4 00:00:22,120 --> 00:00:26,000 Speaker 1: him of Jerry Seinfeld. The Great. Dabo Sweeney, Clemson head coach, 5 00:00:26,480 --> 00:00:28,520 Speaker 1: tells the story of when he thought he was about 6 00:00:28,520 --> 00:00:31,120 Speaker 1: to get fired at Clemson. It is a must listen 7 00:00:31,680 --> 00:00:34,080 Speaker 1: and how me calling his team a fraud helped him 8 00:00:34,120 --> 00:00:38,720 Speaker 1: win the Natty. Plus, former NFL scout John Middlecoff joins 9 00:00:38,880 --> 00:00:43,360 Speaker 1: us with his instant reaction to the NFL schedule release. 10 00:00:43,520 --> 00:00:47,000 Speaker 1: But first my top takes of the week. People of 11 00:00:47,000 --> 00:00:50,560 Speaker 1: the guy don't like Tim Tebow. Urban Meyer is announced 12 00:00:50,960 --> 00:00:53,160 Speaker 1: the Jags have signed him to a one year contract. 13 00:00:53,159 --> 00:00:56,640 Speaker 1: He's a tight end. It's not that I don't like Tebo, 14 00:00:57,680 --> 00:01:02,600 Speaker 1: but he's selling the He's selfless, and I actually think 15 00:01:03,000 --> 00:01:07,840 Speaker 1: he's kind of selfish. At some point, the Mets acknowledged 16 00:01:08,520 --> 00:01:14,759 Speaker 1: Sandy Alderson said this is a gimmick. Sandy Alderson admitted 17 00:01:14,760 --> 00:01:17,240 Speaker 1: that running the Mets and I don't know if this 18 00:01:17,319 --> 00:01:19,840 Speaker 1: is a gimmick, but if somebody would have called me 19 00:01:20,560 --> 00:01:23,480 Speaker 1: and offered me a one year contract for the Jags, 20 00:01:23,720 --> 00:01:26,360 Speaker 1: Knowing I had been out of the league for eight years, 21 00:01:26,720 --> 00:01:29,880 Speaker 1: knowing the last two teams I was on couldn't figure 22 00:01:29,920 --> 00:01:33,399 Speaker 1: out how to use me. Knowing I was going to 23 00:01:33,480 --> 00:01:37,279 Speaker 1: try and to learn a position in the National Football League, 24 00:01:37,760 --> 00:01:40,600 Speaker 1: I would have passed. And I can sometimes be with 25 00:01:40,640 --> 00:01:45,920 Speaker 1: my career selfish. I think Tebow can too. It's not 26 00:01:46,040 --> 00:01:49,600 Speaker 1: all on the Jags. In urban Meyer, Tim Tebow's not dumb. 27 00:01:50,200 --> 00:01:55,280 Speaker 1: He knows he's potentially taking a job from somebody, like 28 00:01:55,400 --> 00:01:58,200 Speaker 1: we knew in Major League Baseball, maybe he'd be a 29 00:01:58,280 --> 00:02:01,760 Speaker 1: quick September call up, but no. But he really reasonably 30 00:02:01,840 --> 00:02:06,560 Speaker 1: thought Tebow couldn't make the major leagues. Therefore he wouldn't 31 00:02:06,600 --> 00:02:11,360 Speaker 1: take somebody's job. But he will sell tickets in Jacksonville, 32 00:02:11,639 --> 00:02:14,960 Speaker 1: and it's a franchise that has struggled to fill seats. 33 00:02:15,320 --> 00:02:19,959 Speaker 1: And urban Meyer does consider him like a son. If 34 00:02:20,000 --> 00:02:23,040 Speaker 1: my dad would have run a company and tried to 35 00:02:23,080 --> 00:02:26,320 Speaker 1: elevate me out of a junior college to a vice president, 36 00:02:27,120 --> 00:02:30,959 Speaker 1: and I knew deep down I wasn't the most qualified 37 00:02:31,360 --> 00:02:34,840 Speaker 1: and somebody else was more qualified, but I was my 38 00:02:34,919 --> 00:02:38,800 Speaker 1: dad's son, I would turn the job down because I 39 00:02:38,840 --> 00:02:43,440 Speaker 1: would ultimately want to earn the position, and ultimately my 40 00:02:43,760 --> 00:02:47,000 Speaker 1: loyalty to my father would be higher the best person, 41 00:02:47,800 --> 00:02:52,440 Speaker 1: not your kid. Does Tim Tebow really think he'll be 42 00:02:52,480 --> 00:02:56,720 Speaker 1: a valuable member of the Jags. He's a six two 43 00:02:57,080 --> 00:03:03,200 Speaker 1: four seven forty tight end. At some point of responsibility 44 00:03:03,240 --> 00:03:08,880 Speaker 1: is on Tebow to acknowledge. Listen, Yes, I'd sell tickets, Yes, 45 00:03:09,120 --> 00:03:12,000 Speaker 1: Urban would always do me a solid. But I know 46 00:03:12,639 --> 00:03:16,120 Speaker 1: I'm taking a job from somebody who needs it more 47 00:03:16,880 --> 00:03:20,919 Speaker 1: and who's better equipped to help the Jags win. Don't 48 00:03:21,000 --> 00:03:27,240 Speaker 1: sell that you're selfless when you also have a little selfish. 49 00:03:27,280 --> 00:03:31,080 Speaker 1: Bob Baffert banned from Churchill Downs. If you don't know 50 00:03:31,200 --> 00:03:34,000 Speaker 1: Bob Baffert, he's the silver haired trainer you see it 51 00:03:34,080 --> 00:03:38,960 Speaker 1: horse races who's somehow more well groomed than the horses themselves. 52 00:03:39,080 --> 00:03:43,280 Speaker 1: His horse, Kentucky Derby winner Madinah Spirit, tested positive for 53 00:03:43,320 --> 00:03:47,120 Speaker 1: a steroid, which is used to treat inflammation. Now. Bafford 54 00:03:47,160 --> 00:03:50,320 Speaker 1: says he was shocked by the result, even though he 55 00:03:50,360 --> 00:03:54,480 Speaker 1: had recently been suspended by the Arkansas Racing Commission after 56 00:03:54,520 --> 00:03:57,880 Speaker 1: two of his horses tested You guessed it positive. It 57 00:03:57,960 --> 00:04:00,680 Speaker 1: seems like if there's anything Bob Baffert should be testing 58 00:04:00,680 --> 00:04:03,840 Speaker 1: positive for its amnesia. Now, I'm not going to point 59 00:04:03,880 --> 00:04:06,680 Speaker 1: fingers here, but there have been only two horses to 60 00:04:06,720 --> 00:04:09,080 Speaker 1: win the Triple Crown in the last forty three years, 61 00:04:09,480 --> 00:04:13,120 Speaker 1: American Pharaoh and Justify. What do you know, both trained 62 00:04:13,160 --> 00:04:16,200 Speaker 1: by Bob Baffort. There also was never a trainer who 63 00:04:16,200 --> 00:04:20,200 Speaker 1: won seven Kentucky Derby's until Bob Baffert did it last week. 64 00:04:21,120 --> 00:04:25,240 Speaker 1: Shocking coincidence. I don't like to single out people. I'm 65 00:04:25,240 --> 00:04:28,440 Speaker 1: well aware that Baffert's not the only trainer spiking the 66 00:04:28,520 --> 00:04:31,560 Speaker 1: horse feed. Trainers have been known to give horses all 67 00:04:31,640 --> 00:04:36,880 Speaker 1: sorts of weird shit chemicals that fatten pigs, Viagra, cobra venom. 68 00:04:36,920 --> 00:04:40,640 Speaker 1: I mean, if you're giving a horse cobra venom, actually 69 00:04:40,680 --> 00:04:43,400 Speaker 1: that's kind of cool. I'd like to try that anyway. 70 00:04:43,440 --> 00:04:46,440 Speaker 1: Point is, Bob Baffert says he's being singled out. No, 71 00:04:46,640 --> 00:04:51,720 Speaker 1: he singled himself out, just like Lance Armstrong, the Houston Astros, 72 00:04:52,240 --> 00:04:55,800 Speaker 1: the steroid era sluggers, and a whole lot of Olympians. 73 00:04:56,320 --> 00:04:59,919 Speaker 1: All of these suspected and non suspected cheaters brought the 74 00:05:00,040 --> 00:05:03,320 Speaker 1: attention on themselves, and they all have one thing in common. 75 00:05:03,640 --> 00:05:07,000 Speaker 1: Their biggest accomplishment in their sport, maybe that they chipped 76 00:05:07,000 --> 00:05:10,280 Speaker 1: away at its integrity. Actually it's bigger than that. When 77 00:05:10,360 --> 00:05:14,160 Speaker 1: we can't trust what we see, it undermines everything around us. 78 00:05:14,600 --> 00:05:17,839 Speaker 1: We become jaded and distrustful. And when that happens, it 79 00:05:17,880 --> 00:05:21,680 Speaker 1: allows people to take advantage of that mistrust. They start 80 00:05:21,720 --> 00:05:25,479 Speaker 1: acting like everyone and everything is corrupt. They make you 81 00:05:25,560 --> 00:05:29,880 Speaker 1: think everyone and everything's a con The media can't be trusted. 82 00:05:29,960 --> 00:05:33,719 Speaker 1: The election was stolen. That photograph of me doing drugs 83 00:05:33,720 --> 00:05:36,960 Speaker 1: with a porn star was photoshopped, my phone was hacked. 84 00:05:37,279 --> 00:05:41,000 Speaker 1: It's all a conspiracy. We're at the point right now 85 00:05:41,000 --> 00:05:45,359 Speaker 1: where people's trust in their leaders, their government, and the 86 00:05:45,520 --> 00:05:49,080 Speaker 1: media seems to be at all time lows. And there's 87 00:05:49,080 --> 00:05:53,159 Speaker 1: a reason they've earned it, all right. He's been doing 88 00:05:53,240 --> 00:05:55,800 Speaker 1: late night television for a long time. He actually started 89 00:05:55,800 --> 00:05:57,880 Speaker 1: in sports radio. Funny guy. We've had a lot of 90 00:05:57,920 --> 00:06:00,440 Speaker 1: connections through the years, run into each other. Also know 91 00:06:00,520 --> 00:06:04,679 Speaker 1: a lot of the same people. Let's bring on Jimmy Kimmel. Well, 92 00:06:04,720 --> 00:06:09,760 Speaker 1: it's funny like when I listen to Seinfeld, whose backstories interesting. 93 00:06:10,320 --> 00:06:13,880 Speaker 1: I look at him and Jay Leno as joke constructors. 94 00:06:13,960 --> 00:06:17,080 Speaker 1: It's almost mechanical it's not ironic. They both love cars. 95 00:06:17,800 --> 00:06:22,040 Speaker 1: They are great constructors of jokes. And then there's other comedians. 96 00:06:22,120 --> 00:06:26,360 Speaker 1: Richard prior to me, was just so damn naturally funny, 97 00:06:26,600 --> 00:06:31,720 Speaker 1: right right, Like how Tracy Morgan is not paying careful 98 00:06:31,760 --> 00:06:35,159 Speaker 1: attention to the detail in his joke, but he's always 99 00:06:35,279 --> 00:06:38,680 Speaker 1: very funny. Well, I think Seinfeld though, to say he's 100 00:06:39,120 --> 00:06:43,240 Speaker 1: to pigeonhole him like that isn't. I actually had Seinfeld 101 00:06:43,279 --> 00:06:45,400 Speaker 1: on the show, and I've been watching a basketball game 102 00:06:45,400 --> 00:06:47,960 Speaker 1: and I said, you know, he reminds me of Steph 103 00:06:48,080 --> 00:06:51,839 Speaker 1: Curry the way because he does all the basics so 104 00:06:51,920 --> 00:06:56,400 Speaker 1: spectacularly well, and he's just like loose and he plays 105 00:06:56,480 --> 00:06:59,640 Speaker 1: when he does stand up with a flow or this 106 00:07:00,000 --> 00:07:03,400 Speaker 1: material is all prepared, is not off the cuff. There's 107 00:07:03,440 --> 00:07:06,680 Speaker 1: nothing rough about it, and yet it doesn't feel like 108 00:07:06,720 --> 00:07:10,200 Speaker 1: it's script. It doesn't. It just feels it just flows. 109 00:07:10,280 --> 00:07:12,840 Speaker 1: And that's the That's one of the things, especially with 110 00:07:12,960 --> 00:07:15,160 Speaker 1: your radio show, you know that when there's a flow, 111 00:07:15,600 --> 00:07:18,280 Speaker 1: that's when it went well. When it's starting and stopping, 112 00:07:18,320 --> 00:07:21,320 Speaker 1: it's like, you know, he didn't have chemistry or somebody 113 00:07:21,320 --> 00:07:24,520 Speaker 1: didn't do a good job. Sometimes you have to interview 114 00:07:24,520 --> 00:07:27,360 Speaker 1: Hollywood people, you're forced to watch a show you wouldn't 115 00:07:27,400 --> 00:07:31,200 Speaker 1: necessarily love. I've had one awkward interview in my career 116 00:07:31,320 --> 00:07:34,680 Speaker 1: Jim Harbaugh. It was awful. It was oh god, it 117 00:07:34,720 --> 00:07:36,840 Speaker 1: was awful. Well, he seems like such a charming man. 118 00:07:36,960 --> 00:07:40,640 Speaker 1: I'm shocked by that. That's really surprising to me. Boy, 119 00:07:40,680 --> 00:07:43,520 Speaker 1: I would think he would really shine. But have you 120 00:07:43,600 --> 00:07:46,960 Speaker 1: ever been on the set and thought, oh, good, hell, 121 00:07:47,120 --> 00:07:50,640 Speaker 1: this is I'm not sure where this is going. Ever been? 122 00:07:51,000 --> 00:07:55,400 Speaker 1: It happens every week, but it's hard, right. A lot 123 00:07:55,800 --> 00:08:00,480 Speaker 1: these are actors and you may not deeply care about, 124 00:08:00,480 --> 00:08:03,280 Speaker 1: like do you have to fake it? Yeah? Well, I'm 125 00:08:03,320 --> 00:08:06,000 Speaker 1: always interested in everyone. And it's a funny thing because 126 00:08:06,920 --> 00:08:09,240 Speaker 1: I talk to the audience during the commercial breaks back 127 00:08:09,240 --> 00:08:11,880 Speaker 1: when we used to have audiences in our building, and 128 00:08:12,440 --> 00:08:16,200 Speaker 1: I love talking to them, and I am genuinely curious. 129 00:08:16,200 --> 00:08:18,800 Speaker 1: And I don't think you can do this job without 130 00:08:18,880 --> 00:08:21,720 Speaker 1: I mean, I think you are genuinely curious, and we're 131 00:08:21,760 --> 00:08:23,880 Speaker 1: seeing that right now. You can't do this job without that. 132 00:08:23,960 --> 00:08:27,400 Speaker 1: So it is up to me to find something interesting 133 00:08:27,440 --> 00:08:31,040 Speaker 1: to talk to that person about when they're not interested 134 00:08:31,040 --> 00:08:34,600 Speaker 1: in necessarily answering questions. And the worst is when they 135 00:08:34,640 --> 00:08:38,520 Speaker 1: start mentioning people that no one in the audience knows 136 00:08:38,520 --> 00:08:42,160 Speaker 1: by their first name, or you know, somebody who's some 137 00:08:42,240 --> 00:08:45,480 Speaker 1: kind of like like a d that is known in 138 00:08:45,559 --> 00:08:48,199 Speaker 1: Hollywood and not known anywhere else, and you're just like, hey, 139 00:08:48,679 --> 00:08:52,319 Speaker 1: come on, now, we're trying to communicate with the viewers 140 00:08:52,320 --> 00:08:55,720 Speaker 1: at home. We were, you know, let's not exclude them 141 00:08:55,760 --> 00:08:59,000 Speaker 1: by mentioning people that nobody knows and talking about things 142 00:08:59,040 --> 00:09:02,000 Speaker 1: that nobody understand. Hands. Let's try to Let's try to 143 00:09:02,160 --> 00:09:04,960 Speaker 1: remember that they're here. We're not just having a conversation 144 00:09:05,080 --> 00:09:08,360 Speaker 1: at dinner. You know, you talk to the audience during 145 00:09:08,360 --> 00:09:11,120 Speaker 1: the break, Jimmy, I don't think everybody does that. I 146 00:09:11,200 --> 00:09:14,360 Speaker 1: love it. It's my favorite part of the show. I'm 147 00:09:14,400 --> 00:09:17,559 Speaker 1: not sure really, because I've never really I mean, I've 148 00:09:17,559 --> 00:09:21,200 Speaker 1: been on Colbert Show, and I don't even I don't 149 00:09:21,200 --> 00:09:24,280 Speaker 1: think I was even paying attention to whether he spoke 150 00:09:24,320 --> 00:09:26,120 Speaker 1: to the audience. I used to talk to the audience 151 00:09:26,200 --> 00:09:30,959 Speaker 1: before the show for a long time, and Don Rickles 152 00:09:31,040 --> 00:09:33,000 Speaker 1: was on my show one night. It was the first 153 00:09:33,040 --> 00:09:34,480 Speaker 1: time he was on, and I was out there talking 154 00:09:34,480 --> 00:09:38,280 Speaker 1: to the audience. I'd basically warmed them up myself and afterwards, 155 00:09:38,280 --> 00:09:40,600 Speaker 1: He's like, let me give you some advice. He said, uh, 156 00:09:40,800 --> 00:09:43,840 Speaker 1: don't the first time they see you speak should be 157 00:09:43,840 --> 00:09:46,520 Speaker 1: when the cameras are rolling on TV. And I was like, Oh, 158 00:09:46,600 --> 00:09:49,360 Speaker 1: that's that's interesting. Maybe I'll give that a try. And 159 00:09:49,440 --> 00:09:53,360 Speaker 1: he was totally right. It's basic show business. The first 160 00:09:53,400 --> 00:09:56,120 Speaker 1: time they see you, know, when he talked to them, 161 00:09:57,240 --> 00:10:00,319 Speaker 1: they then they're pretending when you walk out and they clap, 162 00:10:00,360 --> 00:10:04,080 Speaker 1: you know, because seeing you. So it's the reason why 163 00:10:04,120 --> 00:10:07,360 Speaker 1: I don't talk to the guests on the show before 164 00:10:07,480 --> 00:10:10,400 Speaker 1: the show, because I don't want to have a fake 165 00:10:10,760 --> 00:10:12,959 Speaker 1: I don't want to start the interview on a fake 166 00:10:13,040 --> 00:10:14,880 Speaker 1: note by going, hey, how are you doing it? Like 167 00:10:14,920 --> 00:10:16,959 Speaker 1: I already know how they're doing I just saw them 168 00:10:17,000 --> 00:10:20,080 Speaker 1: twenty five minutes ago, so I this first time I 169 00:10:20,080 --> 00:10:22,559 Speaker 1: will see them is when they walk out on the stage. 170 00:10:23,160 --> 00:10:26,920 Speaker 1: The callin Coward podcast proud to be presented by FanDuel, 171 00:10:27,320 --> 00:10:31,599 Speaker 1: never played FanDuel Fantasy before Great Fanduels, offering users the 172 00:10:31,720 --> 00:10:34,520 Speaker 1: chance to play free, no deposit required at all. 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There's 193 00:11:42,920 --> 00:11:45,280 Speaker 1: no tennis for me, that's for sure. There's no time 194 00:11:45,320 --> 00:11:50,360 Speaker 1: for me to do anything. I'm obsessed with the show. 195 00:11:50,440 --> 00:11:54,040 Speaker 1: I just think that I know that you have to 196 00:11:54,160 --> 00:11:58,120 Speaker 1: keep feeding this monster, and you can never come up 197 00:11:58,160 --> 00:12:00,520 Speaker 1: with enough. You know, you do a show every day, 198 00:12:00,600 --> 00:12:02,719 Speaker 1: and it's going to be as good as you make it. 199 00:12:03,040 --> 00:12:04,800 Speaker 1: Of course, some of it is just left to chance, 200 00:12:04,840 --> 00:12:06,480 Speaker 1: but it's going to be as good as you make it, 201 00:12:06,559 --> 00:12:09,240 Speaker 1: especially when it comes to the monologue. So I really 202 00:12:09,280 --> 00:12:13,240 Speaker 1: don't stop working on it. Ever, I'm always thinking about it, 203 00:12:13,360 --> 00:12:16,360 Speaker 1: always working on it. Even when I'm watching I'm watching 204 00:12:16,400 --> 00:12:19,480 Speaker 1: a game or watching a TV show or something. I'm 205 00:12:19,480 --> 00:12:22,000 Speaker 1: thinking like, oh, I'm sure you do this, and I 206 00:12:22,040 --> 00:12:23,960 Speaker 1: know you'd say you go play tens or whatever, but 207 00:12:24,000 --> 00:12:26,040 Speaker 1: I know that it's much more than that, because there's 208 00:12:26,080 --> 00:12:27,960 Speaker 1: no way you could do it this well if you 209 00:12:28,040 --> 00:12:30,280 Speaker 1: weren't thinking about any of this stuff. You come in 210 00:12:30,320 --> 00:12:33,280 Speaker 1: with observations and things you want to talk about, and 211 00:12:33,400 --> 00:12:35,840 Speaker 1: it's just the muscle that you always have to exercise. 212 00:12:35,960 --> 00:12:39,760 Speaker 1: Most people can just relax and watch TV. And when 213 00:12:39,760 --> 00:12:41,600 Speaker 1: you do this like we do, you can't do you 214 00:12:41,960 --> 00:12:43,400 Speaker 1: unless you want to be bad at it. But you 215 00:12:43,440 --> 00:12:46,480 Speaker 1: can't do that, Jimmy. You know what I do. I 216 00:12:46,600 --> 00:12:48,960 Speaker 1: prepare for an hour and a half show, and I 217 00:12:49,080 --> 00:12:52,080 Speaker 1: do like I found it early in my career that 218 00:12:52,200 --> 00:12:56,120 Speaker 1: I was a little paralyzed on notes. So I create 219 00:12:56,160 --> 00:12:58,160 Speaker 1: an hour and a half and then I want to 220 00:12:58,240 --> 00:13:02,160 Speaker 1: force myself to fill in some of the canvas, and 221 00:13:02,200 --> 00:13:05,920 Speaker 1: I find that nervous energy makes me funnier. Do you 222 00:13:06,000 --> 00:13:08,960 Speaker 1: go in with it? So I kind of feel like, Okay, 223 00:13:08,960 --> 00:13:11,439 Speaker 1: I got twelve minutes to fill here. I got to 224 00:13:11,480 --> 00:13:13,079 Speaker 1: figure it out. And I think I tend to be 225 00:13:13,120 --> 00:13:17,440 Speaker 1: a little funnier when I'm when I'm desperate. Or do 226 00:13:16,760 --> 00:13:19,080 Speaker 1: you do you ever go into a segment and think, 227 00:13:19,200 --> 00:13:21,240 Speaker 1: you know, I've watched some old doc Severance and Johnny 228 00:13:21,280 --> 00:13:25,040 Speaker 1: Carson bits the Thanksgiving one's legendary, and I think, shit, 229 00:13:25,280 --> 00:13:27,400 Speaker 1: was that all scripted? Or was there just something to 230 00:13:27,480 --> 00:13:30,400 Speaker 1: nervous energy there? Do you ever have moments where you think, God, 231 00:13:30,440 --> 00:13:34,920 Speaker 1: this show it's not great, and in fact it forces 232 00:13:35,000 --> 00:13:38,960 Speaker 1: you that the anxiety forces you into a great show. 233 00:13:40,360 --> 00:13:43,880 Speaker 1: A couple of things do in the guest segments, primarily 234 00:13:44,000 --> 00:13:46,960 Speaker 1: because the monologue is it's written. You know, the monologue 235 00:13:47,000 --> 00:13:50,520 Speaker 1: is written, and there are moments of where I'll chat 236 00:13:50,559 --> 00:13:53,200 Speaker 1: with Guillermo or if I need to stretch a little 237 00:13:53,200 --> 00:13:57,839 Speaker 1: bit because time is important, but the monologue is mostly predetermined. 238 00:13:57,880 --> 00:13:59,640 Speaker 1: But in the guest segments, what I try to do 239 00:13:59,760 --> 00:14:02,360 Speaker 1: is in with a plan. These are some things we 240 00:14:02,400 --> 00:14:05,679 Speaker 1: can talk about. And the best case scenario for me 241 00:14:05,800 --> 00:14:07,679 Speaker 1: is if we don't talk about any of those things, 242 00:14:07,960 --> 00:14:09,960 Speaker 1: I know I have them to fall back on, but 243 00:14:10,040 --> 00:14:12,199 Speaker 1: I want it to be natural and I want it 244 00:14:12,320 --> 00:14:15,640 Speaker 1: to flow, and most of the time it does. And 245 00:14:15,840 --> 00:14:21,120 Speaker 1: that's the difference between me the first five years of 246 00:14:21,160 --> 00:14:23,600 Speaker 1: the show and now. Like the first five years of 247 00:14:23,600 --> 00:14:26,720 Speaker 1: the show, there were definitely some home run moments, some 248 00:14:26,840 --> 00:14:30,040 Speaker 1: Grand Slam moments, maybe even but there were also a 249 00:14:30,120 --> 00:14:34,200 Speaker 1: lot of pop flies and there, and so the show 250 00:14:34,280 --> 00:14:37,280 Speaker 1: is more consistent now and I know what to do. 251 00:14:37,360 --> 00:14:39,520 Speaker 1: And also just like there's a respect level. And I'm 252 00:14:39,560 --> 00:14:43,200 Speaker 1: sure you've felt this from the athletes, etc. That you interview, 253 00:14:43,280 --> 00:14:46,560 Speaker 1: is like when they know who you are, they care more. 254 00:14:46,920 --> 00:14:49,920 Speaker 1: They answer your questions in maybe a more honest or 255 00:14:49,960 --> 00:14:54,320 Speaker 1: thoughtful way. Whereas I had times on my show where 256 00:14:54,400 --> 00:14:57,720 Speaker 1: I was interviewing a guest and the guest wasn't even 257 00:14:57,800 --> 00:15:00,440 Speaker 1: listening to me and had turned around to to the 258 00:15:00,480 --> 00:15:03,040 Speaker 1: other guests sitting on the couch and where I felt 259 00:15:03,040 --> 00:15:04,800 Speaker 1: like like, oh, this is what it's like at parties 260 00:15:04,840 --> 00:15:08,080 Speaker 1: where I can't get anywhere to even listened to me. 261 00:15:08,280 --> 00:15:11,680 Speaker 1: You're one of the good guys in the business. It's funny. 262 00:15:11,680 --> 00:15:15,120 Speaker 1: I'm a sports guy who wanted to be Johnny Carson 263 00:15:15,120 --> 00:15:20,520 Speaker 1: but knew I wasn't funny enough. You are a funny guy. 264 00:15:20,680 --> 00:15:23,040 Speaker 1: Let me guess you. You looked at Bob Costas, but 265 00:15:23,080 --> 00:15:25,240 Speaker 1: you knew you couldn't do baseball good enough. How did 266 00:15:25,240 --> 00:15:28,280 Speaker 1: it work for you? Who were your influences? Um? I 267 00:15:28,440 --> 00:15:31,720 Speaker 1: loved Bob Costas when I was a cash Costas. I 268 00:15:31,760 --> 00:15:33,600 Speaker 1: did an hour with him a week two weeks ago. 269 00:15:33,720 --> 00:15:37,400 Speaker 1: It was as much fun I love Bob. I had 270 00:15:37,960 --> 00:15:41,640 Speaker 1: dinner with Al Michaels and Bob Costas one night and 271 00:15:41,800 --> 00:15:45,200 Speaker 1: it was just the best. I mean, they were. They 272 00:15:45,240 --> 00:15:48,400 Speaker 1: have just stories and stories and stories, and I love 273 00:15:48,480 --> 00:15:51,880 Speaker 1: baseball and I love here and that stuff. Bob. Also, 274 00:15:51,920 --> 00:15:56,320 Speaker 1: I remember when I really became enamored with Bob Costas 275 00:15:56,640 --> 00:16:00,280 Speaker 1: was when he was on Letterman doing play by for 276 00:16:00,320 --> 00:16:02,720 Speaker 1: the elevator races they had, and I was like, that 277 00:16:02,840 --> 00:16:05,560 Speaker 1: guy's funny, and the other guy was Vince McMahon, So 278 00:16:06,040 --> 00:16:08,000 Speaker 1: Bob was on one end and Vince McMahon was on 279 00:16:08,040 --> 00:16:11,280 Speaker 1: the other end, and Letterman relentlessly goofed on Vince, and 280 00:16:11,720 --> 00:16:14,840 Speaker 1: Bob was just so straight and he didn't he didn't 281 00:16:14,880 --> 00:16:17,000 Speaker 1: try to get the laughs. They just came to him 282 00:16:17,040 --> 00:16:19,800 Speaker 1: because he got it. He knew what his role was there. 283 00:16:20,080 --> 00:16:22,680 Speaker 1: And I think his interviews, I think he's one of 284 00:16:22,720 --> 00:16:25,720 Speaker 1: the best. When he did that show on NBC, he's 285 00:16:25,800 --> 00:16:29,280 Speaker 1: one of the best. The extent of his knowledge is 286 00:16:29,400 --> 00:16:32,760 Speaker 1: dazzling to me. Yeah, he did an interview with m 287 00:16:33,560 --> 00:16:35,520 Speaker 1: It was like a four partner with Don Rickles. I've 288 00:16:35,560 --> 00:16:37,440 Speaker 1: told Bob this, it's the best thing he's ever done. 289 00:16:37,480 --> 00:16:40,040 Speaker 1: I don't care about the Olympics, I don't care about baseball. 290 00:16:40,040 --> 00:16:42,360 Speaker 1: I don't care about the NBA finals. I've told him. 291 00:16:43,000 --> 00:16:45,240 Speaker 1: Richard Lewis is hard to interview. He is. You know, 292 00:16:45,280 --> 00:16:48,800 Speaker 1: it's funny he mentioned Richard Lewis. I remember Richard Lewis 293 00:16:49,360 --> 00:16:53,760 Speaker 1: being so hilariously angry because they had to scrap an 294 00:16:53,760 --> 00:16:57,760 Speaker 1: episode he did with Bob because Bob was laughing too much, 295 00:16:58,800 --> 00:17:00,640 Speaker 1: and he came out and Lewis came on the next 296 00:17:00,680 --> 00:17:03,600 Speaker 1: interview and said, so, I was simply too funny. As 297 00:17:03,640 --> 00:17:07,199 Speaker 1: a comedian. That is a nightmare. I mean really like, 298 00:17:07,320 --> 00:17:09,520 Speaker 1: that is a nightmare. I just did like something with 299 00:17:09,560 --> 00:17:12,600 Speaker 1: this website and I was goofing on the guy while 300 00:17:12,600 --> 00:17:15,080 Speaker 1: he was trying to read the intro and it was funny, 301 00:17:15,280 --> 00:17:17,720 Speaker 1: and they and they're like, okay, let's try that again. 302 00:17:17,760 --> 00:17:19,960 Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, I thought this was We're supposed to 303 00:17:20,000 --> 00:17:25,280 Speaker 1: be having fun. I hate when producers are because start, 304 00:17:25,440 --> 00:17:28,240 Speaker 1: you know, they're supposed to produce, not do the opposite. 305 00:17:28,320 --> 00:17:30,800 Speaker 1: I hate when they get in the way of what's 306 00:17:30,840 --> 00:17:34,639 Speaker 1: funny just because it's clunky. It could still be funny 307 00:17:34,640 --> 00:17:39,080 Speaker 1: if it's clunky. Well, he's a head football coach at Clemson. 308 00:17:39,320 --> 00:17:41,600 Speaker 1: He is a two time national champ and a seven 309 00:17:41,640 --> 00:17:45,560 Speaker 1: time ACC champ. He played at Alabama and then he 310 00:17:45,640 --> 00:17:50,560 Speaker 1: went to Clemson. And it's funny about college sports. John 311 00:17:50,640 --> 00:17:53,800 Speaker 1: Wooden got a job at UCLA in the late forties. 312 00:17:54,280 --> 00:17:57,840 Speaker 1: He didn't win a title until almost the mid sixties. 313 00:17:58,400 --> 00:18:02,160 Speaker 1: John wouldn't would have been fired four times today if 314 00:18:02,200 --> 00:18:05,520 Speaker 1: he was a college basketball coach. And Dabbo Sweeney now 315 00:18:05,520 --> 00:18:07,560 Speaker 1: it joins me, and you know, Dabo, what's funny about 316 00:18:07,600 --> 00:18:11,160 Speaker 1: that is I am I tend to defend coaches all 317 00:18:11,160 --> 00:18:13,560 Speaker 1: the time and say, you know, we've we've entered a 318 00:18:13,640 --> 00:18:17,320 Speaker 1: time dabbo, when it's ridiculous. If you don't show signs 319 00:18:17,320 --> 00:18:20,640 Speaker 1: of winning by year two, the AD is already calling 320 00:18:20,760 --> 00:18:23,960 Speaker 1: Jimmy Sexton, Hey give me another who's the next coach 321 00:18:24,000 --> 00:18:27,040 Speaker 1: I gotta hire? You look at it today, it took 322 00:18:27,119 --> 00:18:32,040 Speaker 1: you three or four years to get your recruiting really rolling, 323 00:18:32,560 --> 00:18:35,760 Speaker 1: to really put in your culture. Do you think in 324 00:18:35,800 --> 00:18:37,399 Speaker 1: the world we live in today, if you were in 325 00:18:37,400 --> 00:18:40,400 Speaker 1: the SEC trying to beat Saban, you'd you'd be able 326 00:18:40,440 --> 00:18:43,480 Speaker 1: to get to a fourth year today. Uh, you know, 327 00:18:43,760 --> 00:18:46,560 Speaker 1: that's a good question. And I don't know, probably not, um, 328 00:18:46,960 --> 00:18:50,320 Speaker 1: you know, fortunately, I mean for me, I mean, we 329 00:18:50,400 --> 00:18:53,359 Speaker 1: won the league my third year, and you know, but 330 00:18:53,359 --> 00:18:55,600 Speaker 1: but even though we won the league, we got destroyed 331 00:18:55,600 --> 00:18:57,800 Speaker 1: in the bowl game and it just you know, we 332 00:18:58,280 --> 00:19:01,760 Speaker 1: had and then we lost arrived and so we you know, 333 00:19:01,760 --> 00:19:04,280 Speaker 1: the first year we won the Division one nine. The 334 00:19:04,320 --> 00:19:07,600 Speaker 1: second year we won six games, and that was that 335 00:19:07,760 --> 00:19:11,560 Speaker 1: was you know, not good. But then the next year 336 00:19:11,600 --> 00:19:13,760 Speaker 1: we come back and won ten games, won the league 337 00:19:13,760 --> 00:19:16,639 Speaker 1: for the first time in twenty years. So that was 338 00:19:17,160 --> 00:19:19,520 Speaker 1: that was big because we would have had back to 339 00:19:19,560 --> 00:19:21,399 Speaker 1: back six games. I'm not sure i'd have got a 340 00:19:21,440 --> 00:19:23,520 Speaker 1: fourth year in Simpson, to be honest with you, but 341 00:19:24,160 --> 00:19:26,760 Speaker 1: h so, you know, but that that second year, with 342 00:19:26,880 --> 00:19:29,359 Speaker 1: the six wins, we lost five games by six points 343 00:19:29,440 --> 00:19:31,160 Speaker 1: or less, two of them in overtime, one of those 344 00:19:31,160 --> 00:19:34,200 Speaker 1: to Auburn cam Newton. And I'm thankful that I had 345 00:19:34,240 --> 00:19:36,760 Speaker 1: an ad that believed in me and Terry Don Phillips 346 00:19:36,760 --> 00:19:40,760 Speaker 1: and and in fact a true story. The second year, 347 00:19:41,440 --> 00:19:45,560 Speaker 1: we won six games and we lost to South Carolina, 348 00:19:45,840 --> 00:19:47,440 Speaker 1: and it was a bad day. And I remember coming 349 00:19:47,520 --> 00:19:49,440 Speaker 1: up did the little press conference and I came out 350 00:19:49,440 --> 00:19:51,320 Speaker 1: and I was heading back to my office and my 351 00:19:51,320 --> 00:19:53,480 Speaker 1: my wife met me outside and she just had this 352 00:19:53,560 --> 00:19:57,760 Speaker 1: horrible look on her face and she was like, she said, maybe, 353 00:19:57,800 --> 00:20:00,840 Speaker 1: I'm so sorry, and she said, you know, uh, mister 354 00:20:00,880 --> 00:20:03,360 Speaker 1: Phillips is in your office. And I just looked at her, 355 00:20:03,359 --> 00:20:06,000 Speaker 1: and you know, I said, well, hey, we did the 356 00:20:06,000 --> 00:20:08,080 Speaker 1: best we could. I mean, I really thought I was 357 00:20:08,119 --> 00:20:11,760 Speaker 1: about to be fired. I mean, this is my second season. 358 00:20:12,200 --> 00:20:15,919 Speaker 1: It's not like I was some sexy hire and so, 359 00:20:16,680 --> 00:20:19,280 Speaker 1: you know, we just won six games, we just lost 360 00:20:19,280 --> 00:20:23,120 Speaker 1: to South Carolina. It's it's not good and so I'm 361 00:20:23,119 --> 00:20:25,000 Speaker 1: thinking I'm about to be fired, and I knew he 362 00:20:25,040 --> 00:20:26,800 Speaker 1: was under a lot of pressure. And I walk in 363 00:20:26,880 --> 00:20:28,480 Speaker 1: my I'll come around the corner and I look in 364 00:20:28,560 --> 00:20:30,680 Speaker 1: the doors, kind of cracking. Terry Don sitting in there 365 00:20:30,720 --> 00:20:33,560 Speaker 1: on the couch and I walk in there and it's dark. 366 00:20:33,600 --> 00:20:35,760 Speaker 1: You didn't have the light on. And I walk in. 367 00:20:35,880 --> 00:20:37,359 Speaker 1: He just says, hey, come over here and sit down. 368 00:20:37,400 --> 00:20:40,400 Speaker 1: And I'm I'm fully prepared and you know, to tell 369 00:20:40,480 --> 00:20:42,439 Speaker 1: him thank you for the opportunity, and hey, you know, 370 00:20:42,480 --> 00:20:44,679 Speaker 1: sorry I let you down, and and it was just 371 00:20:44,720 --> 00:20:47,880 Speaker 1: a very bad moment. And and anyway, I sit down 372 00:20:47,880 --> 00:20:50,760 Speaker 1: and he looked at me and he said, and this 373 00:20:51,240 --> 00:20:54,679 Speaker 1: was a turning point for me too, emotionally and just 374 00:20:54,800 --> 00:20:57,520 Speaker 1: you name it. And he said, he said, Dabbo, listen 375 00:20:57,560 --> 00:21:00,160 Speaker 1: to me. He said, I know this is a tough game. 376 00:21:00,680 --> 00:21:02,159 Speaker 1: And he said, look, there's gonna be a lot of 377 00:21:02,200 --> 00:21:05,160 Speaker 1: criticism for me and for you. He goes, but here's 378 00:21:05,160 --> 00:21:07,199 Speaker 1: what I want you to know. And he looked at 379 00:21:07,200 --> 00:21:09,159 Speaker 1: me then I and he said, I believe in you 380 00:21:09,280 --> 00:21:11,679 Speaker 1: more right now than when I did when I hired you. 381 00:21:11,760 --> 00:21:14,480 Speaker 1: And he said, you're gonna be a great head football coach. 382 00:21:14,920 --> 00:21:17,199 Speaker 1: And he said, he goes, I wish want you to 383 00:21:17,240 --> 00:21:19,719 Speaker 1: know that I got you back. He said, if it 384 00:21:19,720 --> 00:21:22,160 Speaker 1: don't work, you can help me pack, and I'll come 385 00:21:22,240 --> 00:21:25,000 Speaker 1: help you pack. He said, I just want you to 386 00:21:25,080 --> 00:21:27,920 Speaker 1: know I think you are a great coach and you're 387 00:21:27,920 --> 00:21:30,160 Speaker 1: gonna do You're gonna do a great and he got 388 00:21:30,240 --> 00:21:33,440 Speaker 1: up and left and and so so my mindset was 389 00:21:33,480 --> 00:21:36,240 Speaker 1: in one and and I was just like wow. And 390 00:21:36,280 --> 00:21:38,040 Speaker 1: from that point on, like I said, the next year, 391 00:21:38,080 --> 00:21:40,359 Speaker 1: we've had ten ten plus win seasons in the road, 392 00:21:40,600 --> 00:21:43,879 Speaker 1: only us in Alabama, and you know, but literally from 393 00:21:43,960 --> 00:21:48,199 Speaker 1: that meeting forward, you know, just to know that, you know, 394 00:21:48,240 --> 00:21:51,960 Speaker 1: this guy was truly all in and believed in me 395 00:21:53,040 --> 00:21:56,040 Speaker 1: with all his heart. And so I'm thankful because not 396 00:21:56,160 --> 00:21:59,240 Speaker 1: everybody has the Terry down Phillips as an ad And 397 00:21:59,560 --> 00:22:02,440 Speaker 1: I'm thinking that I had a guy like him that 398 00:22:02,440 --> 00:22:04,600 Speaker 1: that believed in me and saw something in me, gave 399 00:22:04,600 --> 00:22:06,680 Speaker 1: me a chance to be the interim and and then 400 00:22:07,080 --> 00:22:10,600 Speaker 1: a chance to be the head coach. Uh. You know, 401 00:22:10,640 --> 00:22:13,840 Speaker 1: the guy that called us a fraud, ask Alabama for 402 00:22:13,880 --> 00:22:17,520 Speaker 1: a fraud was the name Colin Coward, asking I don't 403 00:22:17,560 --> 00:22:19,359 Speaker 1: never met him, don't know him, ask him if if 404 00:22:19,400 --> 00:22:22,119 Speaker 1: we're Alabama for a fraud, ask Ohio, stated for a fraud, 405 00:22:22,200 --> 00:22:27,680 Speaker 1: ask Oklahoma, and for a fraud, the only fraud is 406 00:22:27,720 --> 00:22:31,160 Speaker 1: that guy because he didn't do his homework. I hope 407 00:22:31,240 --> 00:22:36,000 Speaker 1: y'all print that. Yeah, you know, I I didn't. I 408 00:22:36,040 --> 00:22:38,080 Speaker 1: did not know who you were. To be honest with you, 409 00:22:38,440 --> 00:22:41,760 Speaker 1: I really didn't. In fact you That's how I found 410 00:22:41,800 --> 00:22:45,280 Speaker 1: out who you were was somebody somebody sent me your 411 00:22:45,359 --> 00:22:48,400 Speaker 1: clip and I've listened. I'm thankful for you. Somebody sent 412 00:22:48,480 --> 00:22:50,439 Speaker 1: me to your clip. I think you called us a 413 00:22:50,480 --> 00:22:52,639 Speaker 1: fraud or something, and I'm like, who the heck is 414 00:22:52,680 --> 00:22:54,080 Speaker 1: this guy? I didn't know it was, but I had 415 00:22:54,160 --> 00:22:56,520 Speaker 1: I had a lot of fun with our team. Uh, 416 00:22:56,720 --> 00:22:58,840 Speaker 1: and it was great. It was one of those cool moments. 417 00:22:58,880 --> 00:23:01,960 Speaker 1: And we were getting read to play Alabama and I 418 00:23:02,119 --> 00:23:04,520 Speaker 1: and and I don't know if somebody had gotten me 419 00:23:04,600 --> 00:23:06,480 Speaker 1: this clip and I was like, this is perfect save 420 00:23:06,560 --> 00:23:11,119 Speaker 1: that and I'm like, who is this? And uh and so, uh, 421 00:23:11,200 --> 00:23:12,960 Speaker 1: you know, I don't do social media. I don't have 422 00:23:13,000 --> 00:23:15,440 Speaker 1: all that stuff. I don't I don't I've never done 423 00:23:15,440 --> 00:23:18,400 Speaker 1: that stuff. So I didn't really know. But but I'm 424 00:23:18,400 --> 00:23:20,199 Speaker 1: thankful for you because it was great. And just one 425 00:23:20,240 --> 00:23:22,159 Speaker 1: of those deals. I say, hey, boys, just give me 426 00:23:22,200 --> 00:23:24,439 Speaker 1: to the press conference. Just get me there and and 427 00:23:24,440 --> 00:23:28,240 Speaker 1: we'll have some fun with this. So, to be honest 428 00:23:28,280 --> 00:23:30,280 Speaker 1: with I had forgotten about it. And uh, you know, 429 00:23:30,320 --> 00:23:32,640 Speaker 1: you just went a national championship, you know, yeah, going 430 00:23:32,680 --> 00:23:34,959 Speaker 1: on and and one of the players in mind, and hey, 431 00:23:34,960 --> 00:23:36,920 Speaker 1: don't forget about that. I'm like, oh, no, that's right, 432 00:23:37,359 --> 00:23:41,000 Speaker 1: that's right. And uh So anyway, we had we had 433 00:23:41,040 --> 00:23:46,000 Speaker 1: a little fun, uh at your expense, but I love it. 434 00:23:46,000 --> 00:23:48,040 Speaker 1: It's so funny. So so, Dabbo, I come in and 435 00:23:48,119 --> 00:23:50,800 Speaker 1: do about two hours of prep every morning. So the 436 00:23:50,840 --> 00:23:52,960 Speaker 1: game was over and we were all rooting for you 437 00:23:52,960 --> 00:23:55,840 Speaker 1: because we were getting tired of Alabama. So you won. 438 00:23:55,960 --> 00:23:59,080 Speaker 1: I went to bed because I have to get up early. So, um, 439 00:23:59,119 --> 00:24:01,240 Speaker 1: I didn't see the post game. So I come in 440 00:24:01,280 --> 00:24:06,080 Speaker 1: for my prep and I sit there. Okay, so the 441 00:24:06,119 --> 00:24:10,240 Speaker 1: prep starts about five to fifty seven twenty seven. The 442 00:24:10,280 --> 00:24:12,240 Speaker 1: guy all the guys look at me and they go, well, 443 00:24:12,280 --> 00:24:14,040 Speaker 1: aren't you going to talk about what Dabo said? And 444 00:24:14,080 --> 00:24:17,240 Speaker 1: I said, what the hell, Dabbo say? Were you talking about? 445 00:24:17,640 --> 00:24:20,480 Speaker 1: And they played it and I went, guys, this is 446 00:24:20,480 --> 00:24:23,480 Speaker 1: the lead to the show, what are we doing for 447 00:24:23,640 --> 00:24:27,080 Speaker 1: two hours? And by the way, we loved it. I 448 00:24:27,080 --> 00:24:28,600 Speaker 1: mean I went on the air and I'm like, you 449 00:24:28,640 --> 00:24:31,720 Speaker 1: know what I own it was because it's funny I 450 00:24:31,880 --> 00:24:35,040 Speaker 1: watch I watched you twice early because I love college football, 451 00:24:35,480 --> 00:24:38,600 Speaker 1: and you struggled a little bit offensively, and I think 452 00:24:38,600 --> 00:24:42,200 Speaker 1: it was you couldn't put away NC State, and I said, 453 00:24:42,680 --> 00:24:45,520 Speaker 1: how did these guys get? But it was classic. I 454 00:24:45,520 --> 00:24:49,240 Speaker 1: saw you early and I didn't catch you late. And boy, 455 00:24:49,320 --> 00:24:50,960 Speaker 1: by the time, you know, that was a team that 456 00:24:51,000 --> 00:24:54,320 Speaker 1: got much better in the last six weeks of the season. 457 00:24:54,600 --> 00:24:56,879 Speaker 1: But you know, to be honest with you, we we 458 00:24:57,000 --> 00:24:58,680 Speaker 1: loved it. I had a ball with it. And by 459 00:24:58,680 --> 00:25:01,400 Speaker 1: the way, I used work at ESPN, so I can 460 00:25:01,400 --> 00:25:04,080 Speaker 1: tell you, Davout, they just hated you saying that on 461 00:25:04,240 --> 00:25:08,639 Speaker 1: the air. They hated it. So I want to go 462 00:25:08,680 --> 00:25:12,920 Speaker 1: to this. So I saw Trevor Lawrence in San Diego 463 00:25:13,440 --> 00:25:16,160 Speaker 1: his junior year. So a buddy of mine, Steve Clarkson, called, 464 00:25:16,160 --> 00:25:18,600 Speaker 1: he said, I'm having a camp down here. There's a 465 00:25:18,680 --> 00:25:21,680 Speaker 1: kid you need to look at. So I went down 466 00:25:21,680 --> 00:25:24,159 Speaker 1: and watched him, and I came back from that camp 467 00:25:24,280 --> 00:25:26,439 Speaker 1: and I went on the air and I said, I 468 00:25:26,480 --> 00:25:29,080 Speaker 1: just saw the best high school quarterback I think I've 469 00:25:29,080 --> 00:25:34,000 Speaker 1: ever seen. You see all the good ones. The first 470 00:25:34,040 --> 00:25:36,720 Speaker 1: reaction when you saw Trevor Lawrence, what was your first reaction? 471 00:25:37,720 --> 00:25:42,040 Speaker 1: You know, just I mean like a sideboard man, I 472 00:25:42,080 --> 00:25:45,679 Speaker 1: mean just unbelievable. Never really see anything like it, you know, 473 00:25:45,800 --> 00:25:48,200 Speaker 1: I what does it look like when you see Steph 474 00:25:48,280 --> 00:25:51,240 Speaker 1: Curry shoot a basketball? You know, you just go wow. 475 00:25:51,600 --> 00:25:53,920 Speaker 1: You know, you just sit there and watch him shoot 476 00:25:53,920 --> 00:25:56,400 Speaker 1: a basketball a day, right, And that's kind of how 477 00:25:56,400 --> 00:25:58,680 Speaker 1: you feel when you watch Trevor. And you know, the 478 00:25:58,720 --> 00:26:00,280 Speaker 1: first time I met him was in the night grade. 479 00:26:00,320 --> 00:26:02,600 Speaker 1: He came into the office and I was like, this, 480 00:26:02,680 --> 00:26:04,520 Speaker 1: this is a man. I had not watched any tape 481 00:26:04,520 --> 00:26:06,760 Speaker 1: on him at that point. I just met him and 482 00:26:07,080 --> 00:26:09,800 Speaker 1: he was up here passing through and uh, I told 483 00:26:09,880 --> 00:26:11,840 Speaker 1: him I was gonna watch him his sophomore year. I 484 00:26:11,840 --> 00:26:14,159 Speaker 1: didn't offer him a scholarship. That's that's probably one of 485 00:26:14,160 --> 00:26:16,399 Speaker 1: the reasons we got him, as he had like fifty offers. 486 00:26:16,440 --> 00:26:18,159 Speaker 1: I said, I don't even I just meet you. I 487 00:26:18,200 --> 00:26:20,160 Speaker 1: haven't watched you your tape, I said, but I'm gonna 488 00:26:20,200 --> 00:26:22,000 Speaker 1: watch you this year. I want to see you drive 489 00:26:22,040 --> 00:26:24,600 Speaker 1: a car. I'd like to, you know, maybe see you 490 00:26:24,680 --> 00:26:27,240 Speaker 1: go to prim or something and let's let's when we 491 00:26:27,280 --> 00:26:29,040 Speaker 1: talk about the you want to be the face of 492 00:26:29,080 --> 00:26:31,359 Speaker 1: our program. And so I did. I watched him his 493 00:26:31,440 --> 00:26:34,040 Speaker 1: sophomore year every week and I mean, oh my goodness. 494 00:26:34,480 --> 00:26:37,399 Speaker 1: So we offered him and then he committed as a junior. 495 00:26:37,440 --> 00:26:41,240 Speaker 1: But uh, I remember, it's funny you say that. Every year, 496 00:26:41,280 --> 00:26:44,480 Speaker 1: we usually do a Nike trip with about twenty coaches, 497 00:26:45,080 --> 00:26:48,359 Speaker 1: and so he had committed his junior year and we're 498 00:26:48,520 --> 00:26:51,600 Speaker 1: on the Nike trip and we go in February every year. 499 00:26:51,760 --> 00:26:53,520 Speaker 1: And David Shaw is a good friend of mine. I 500 00:26:53,560 --> 00:26:56,119 Speaker 1: love David and David David and I were sitting there 501 00:26:56,200 --> 00:26:59,680 Speaker 1: talking and he said, I'm gonna tell you he said, 502 00:26:59,840 --> 00:27:02,320 Speaker 1: he is exactly what he said. And we had a 503 00:27:02,320 --> 00:27:04,840 Speaker 1: bunch of good players at the time. He goes, I 504 00:27:04,840 --> 00:27:06,840 Speaker 1: don't know who your quarterback. He was a junior in 505 00:27:06,920 --> 00:27:08,840 Speaker 1: high school. And another year of high school he said, 506 00:27:08,880 --> 00:27:11,240 Speaker 1: I so, I know you've got a couple of good 507 00:27:11,240 --> 00:27:12,879 Speaker 1: guys committed this year, and I know you've got some 508 00:27:12,920 --> 00:27:14,919 Speaker 1: good guys on the team, but I can tell you 509 00:27:14,920 --> 00:27:18,000 Speaker 1: who your quarterback's gonna be next year. And uh, he said, 510 00:27:18,040 --> 00:27:20,160 Speaker 1: that kid you got committed out of Georgia. He said, 511 00:27:20,160 --> 00:27:24,120 Speaker 1: that's the best quarterback I've ever seen in high school ever. Wow, 512 00:27:24,880 --> 00:27:27,280 Speaker 1: and uh and and you know that and always stuck 513 00:27:27,320 --> 00:27:30,800 Speaker 1: with me and and so so you know, but you 514 00:27:30,840 --> 00:27:34,119 Speaker 1: never really know until you start coming, Like you know, 515 00:27:34,160 --> 00:27:36,760 Speaker 1: we've had lots of great high school players and then 516 00:27:36,760 --> 00:27:38,480 Speaker 1: all of a sudden you get them, and you know, 517 00:27:38,760 --> 00:27:41,000 Speaker 1: the transition is different, you know how the speed of 518 00:27:41,000 --> 00:27:43,440 Speaker 1: the game, that the technical part of the game, the 519 00:27:43,440 --> 00:27:47,679 Speaker 1: the the transition from an installation in verbiage and all 520 00:27:47,680 --> 00:27:50,400 Speaker 1: those things. I mean, you never know, you know how 521 00:27:50,440 --> 00:27:54,119 Speaker 1: a guy's gonna adjust and you know he's just you know, 522 00:27:54,200 --> 00:27:56,840 Speaker 1: Deshaun was special in that in that way. I mean, 523 00:27:56,960 --> 00:28:00,359 Speaker 1: you know, Deshaun just wasn't as biggest Trevor, and but 524 00:28:00,440 --> 00:28:03,639 Speaker 1: he was unique and that he absorbed it and you 525 00:28:03,680 --> 00:28:08,040 Speaker 1: knew right away, like this kid is different and everything 526 00:28:08,040 --> 00:28:09,680 Speaker 1: that I loved about Deshaun, I didn't know that I 527 00:28:09,680 --> 00:28:12,240 Speaker 1: would ever coach another guy like DeShawn and everything I 528 00:28:12,359 --> 00:28:16,120 Speaker 1: loved about Dashawan. Here this guy shows up, except he's 529 00:28:16,160 --> 00:28:19,240 Speaker 1: six six and you know, two hundred and fifteen pounds 530 00:28:19,440 --> 00:28:24,400 Speaker 1: and unbelievable arm talent, and so, but you never really 531 00:28:24,440 --> 00:28:26,199 Speaker 1: know where are they going to be mentally, And he 532 00:28:26,240 --> 00:28:28,680 Speaker 1: shows up here that first spring and it was just 533 00:28:29,520 --> 00:28:32,160 Speaker 1: I mean, like wow, I mean you really would watch 534 00:28:32,200 --> 00:28:33,840 Speaker 1: this kid and you just knew, like as soon as 535 00:28:33,840 --> 00:28:36,200 Speaker 1: he gets through spring and he kind of gets gets 536 00:28:36,200 --> 00:28:38,760 Speaker 1: his feet on the ground and really has the but 537 00:28:38,840 --> 00:28:42,080 Speaker 1: the game never seemed fast to him from day one, 538 00:28:42,920 --> 00:28:46,360 Speaker 1: like he had been doing it forever. And and you know, 539 00:28:46,440 --> 00:28:49,240 Speaker 1: his first pass at A and M in College station 540 00:28:49,360 --> 00:28:54,600 Speaker 1: touchdown to Tee Higgins his first pass on that stage, 541 00:28:54,840 --> 00:28:57,800 Speaker 1: and so you know, but he's just a he's just 542 00:28:57,840 --> 00:29:01,600 Speaker 1: a very very gifted player. And you know, I've I've 543 00:29:02,200 --> 00:29:04,840 Speaker 1: there's not anything if there's a hundred boxes that you 544 00:29:04,880 --> 00:29:06,880 Speaker 1: want to write down on a guy that you would 545 00:29:06,920 --> 00:29:11,040 Speaker 1: want in the ideal quarterback. He checks every box. There's 546 00:29:11,120 --> 00:29:13,840 Speaker 1: not a single box that that he checks. In fact, 547 00:29:13,960 --> 00:29:16,160 Speaker 1: he has some things that you don't even really need. 548 00:29:16,280 --> 00:29:20,560 Speaker 1: I mean, he's just he's just he's just a generational 549 00:29:20,720 --> 00:29:23,600 Speaker 1: type player. And and I'm super excited about it, I'll 550 00:29:23,600 --> 00:29:25,760 Speaker 1: tell you. And we got a kid that that's gonna 551 00:29:25,760 --> 00:29:29,080 Speaker 1: take his place that's looks like somebody went to a 552 00:29:29,200 --> 00:29:32,600 Speaker 1: lab and you know, birth between Trevor and Deshaun you 553 00:29:32,600 --> 00:29:37,480 Speaker 1: know he's you know this d he's a Yep, he's 554 00:29:37,520 --> 00:29:40,080 Speaker 1: gonna be a great one too. And uh, you know 555 00:29:40,200 --> 00:29:43,640 Speaker 1: has the same type of physical gifts and aptitude, just 556 00:29:43,640 --> 00:29:48,240 Speaker 1: just unique in his own way. My friend John Middelcoff. 557 00:29:48,360 --> 00:29:52,440 Speaker 1: John's a Bay Area broadcaster, former NFL scout, very very 558 00:29:52,480 --> 00:29:55,640 Speaker 1: well connected. So let's let's cut to the chase here. 559 00:29:55,480 --> 00:29:58,440 Speaker 1: The first thing that jumped out to me, so the 560 00:29:58,520 --> 00:30:01,920 Speaker 1: Chargers had to rebuild their offensive line. I think they're 561 00:30:01,920 --> 00:30:04,600 Speaker 1: going to be very good, but that unit needs time. 562 00:30:04,720 --> 00:30:09,280 Speaker 1: Old line is about chemistry playing together. And you have 563 00:30:09,360 --> 00:30:13,400 Speaker 1: Brandon Staley John who is a brand new coach, implementing 564 00:30:13,400 --> 00:30:17,240 Speaker 1: a new system. They open up that old line opens 565 00:30:17,360 --> 00:30:20,560 Speaker 1: up at Washington, then it's Deack at home, that it's 566 00:30:20,600 --> 00:30:25,000 Speaker 1: at Kansas City, and then you your defense faces the 567 00:30:25,080 --> 00:30:27,640 Speaker 1: Raiders offense. Then it's the Brown's role in town. Then 568 00:30:27,640 --> 00:30:31,480 Speaker 1: it's Baltimore, and then it's Belichick off a bye, And 569 00:30:31,600 --> 00:30:34,600 Speaker 1: I thought, boy, week one to seven, you've got it. 570 00:30:34,600 --> 00:30:39,080 Speaker 1: You're implementing a new defense against the Cowboys receivers, Kansas 571 00:30:39,120 --> 00:30:43,200 Speaker 1: City's talent, the Raiders offense, the Browns offense, Lamar Jackson. 572 00:30:44,560 --> 00:30:47,960 Speaker 1: Just that is a handful for a new old line 573 00:30:47,960 --> 00:30:50,880 Speaker 1: and a new head coach. Your thoughts on the Chargers, Yeah, 574 00:30:50,920 --> 00:30:53,400 Speaker 1: I mean two things really jump out. Herbert didn't have 575 00:30:53,440 --> 00:30:57,720 Speaker 1: to play against opponents right their crowd, and last year 576 00:30:57,760 --> 00:31:00,120 Speaker 1: we saw countless times the good court Aaron Rodgers is 577 00:31:00,160 --> 00:31:02,760 Speaker 1: getting the Saints to jump off on the road. So 578 00:31:02,800 --> 00:31:04,920 Speaker 1: it wasn't a normal year when you're going on the 579 00:31:05,000 --> 00:31:07,840 Speaker 1: road to Kansas City, We Buffalo whoever you pick, random 580 00:31:07,880 --> 00:31:11,920 Speaker 1: team rookie quarterback, Now listen his skills, like his physical 581 00:31:11,920 --> 00:31:14,160 Speaker 1: attributes are going to translate. Right, He's big, he's got 582 00:31:14,160 --> 00:31:17,560 Speaker 1: a big arm. He was accurate, but like you know, 583 00:31:17,760 --> 00:31:20,440 Speaker 1: third and seven when there's seventy five thousand people and 584 00:31:20,440 --> 00:31:22,840 Speaker 1: you can't hear, make it a little more difficult. The 585 00:31:22,840 --> 00:31:25,720 Speaker 1: other thing on the coach, who clearly is a sharp guy. 586 00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:28,040 Speaker 1: I think you've had him on your show, like he's 587 00:31:28,040 --> 00:31:30,480 Speaker 1: an impressive guy. People in the league think highly of him. 588 00:31:30,680 --> 00:31:34,479 Speaker 1: He's only been in the league since sixteen. It's not 589 00:31:34,520 --> 00:31:36,720 Speaker 1: like you know, he's a fifteen year assistant. So it's 590 00:31:37,120 --> 00:31:41,680 Speaker 1: it's a massive, massive transition to just being one year coordinator. 591 00:31:42,000 --> 00:31:43,680 Speaker 1: Then you're a head coach and you really only have 592 00:31:43,760 --> 00:31:45,240 Speaker 1: four or five years in the league to kind of 593 00:31:45,320 --> 00:31:47,280 Speaker 1: draw on. A couple of those were four Vic Fangio, 594 00:31:47,400 --> 00:31:50,720 Speaker 1: so you definitely were not the boss. That's it's gonna 595 00:31:50,760 --> 00:31:53,760 Speaker 1: be hard. They do have these demons of like can 596 00:31:53,800 --> 00:31:56,719 Speaker 1: they finally shake instead of just looking good winning some games, 597 00:31:56,800 --> 00:31:59,040 Speaker 1: Like you said, that schedule that you can't just like, 598 00:31:59,080 --> 00:32:02,200 Speaker 1: oh they through four or five touchdowns again, but they lost, 599 00:32:02,280 --> 00:32:06,080 Speaker 1: Like eventually you gotta win. So I'm with you, Washington. 600 00:32:06,200 --> 00:32:09,640 Speaker 1: That defense is fantastic. Listen, you're gonna face Ron Rivera, 601 00:32:09,720 --> 00:32:14,920 Speaker 1: Mike McCarthy, Andy Reid, John Gruden, John Harbaugh, Bill Belichick. 602 00:32:15,040 --> 00:32:19,000 Speaker 1: Those guys have been around this league forever, all the tricks. 603 00:32:19,800 --> 00:32:22,000 Speaker 1: I think right now they would sign up for three 604 00:32:22,000 --> 00:32:24,760 Speaker 1: and three. Yeah, I mean off that first six games 605 00:32:25,080 --> 00:32:27,320 Speaker 1: or I guess seven. If they were three and four 606 00:32:27,360 --> 00:32:28,960 Speaker 1: or four and three, they'd have a fighting chance the 607 00:32:29,040 --> 00:32:30,520 Speaker 1: rest of the season if they have one of those. 608 00:32:30,640 --> 00:32:33,720 Speaker 1: Remember two years ago, Freddy Kitchens, the Browns all the 609 00:32:33,800 --> 00:32:36,040 Speaker 1: hype and they just that schedule just ate them alive 610 00:32:36,480 --> 00:32:39,200 Speaker 1: and they could never get out. Now, the Chargers should 611 00:32:39,240 --> 00:32:42,719 Speaker 1: be better than that Cleveland Browns team, but we never know. 612 00:32:42,800 --> 00:32:45,680 Speaker 1: First time head coaches. You just you have no clue. 613 00:32:46,200 --> 00:32:49,800 Speaker 1: You really don't. So it's listen. I like Justin Herbert 614 00:32:49,800 --> 00:32:52,040 Speaker 1: as much as anybody, but holy Moley, that's a that's 615 00:32:52,040 --> 00:32:54,680 Speaker 1: a tough start. I'll let me throw another schedule at you. 616 00:32:54,760 --> 00:32:59,880 Speaker 1: John the Patriots. So we know Belichick gives young core 617 00:33:00,160 --> 00:33:03,600 Speaker 1: terbacks fits first two year quarterbacks, I mean owns them. 618 00:33:03,640 --> 00:33:06,720 Speaker 1: Even Josh Allen. Still he struggles against Belichick. We also 619 00:33:06,880 --> 00:33:12,080 Speaker 1: knew no quarterbacks with new systems struggle against Bill new 620 00:33:12,120 --> 00:33:17,880 Speaker 1: England schedule. I counted it. Eleven of seventeen games, you 621 00:33:17,960 --> 00:33:21,920 Speaker 1: either get a young quarterback like a Tuah or a 622 00:33:22,000 --> 00:33:27,960 Speaker 1: quarterback with a new system like Jamis has never started 623 00:33:28,000 --> 00:33:31,600 Speaker 1: for the Saints, right Jamis zach Wilson the Texans. Yeah, 624 00:33:32,800 --> 00:33:36,280 Speaker 1: a lot of teams. So eleven of seventeen games either 625 00:33:36,360 --> 00:33:38,800 Speaker 1: a young quarterback or a quarterback with a new system. 626 00:33:39,600 --> 00:33:42,640 Speaker 1: And I'm sitting there thinking this works out for them. 627 00:33:42,800 --> 00:33:44,480 Speaker 1: They're going to get back to the playoff. They're a 628 00:33:44,560 --> 00:33:47,280 Speaker 1: nine and a half over under team. I told Chad 629 00:33:47,280 --> 00:33:49,240 Speaker 1: Filman this couple weeks ago. He laughed at me, he goes, oh, 630 00:33:49,280 --> 00:33:52,280 Speaker 1: another or a nine to win, Tim, I'm like one 631 00:33:52,280 --> 00:33:54,560 Speaker 1: of the reasons he has had so much success is 632 00:33:54,600 --> 00:33:58,560 Speaker 1: all these teams in the AFC East keep replacing quarterbacks 633 00:33:58,800 --> 00:34:01,280 Speaker 1: when they should stick with him longer. Because your first 634 00:34:01,280 --> 00:34:03,280 Speaker 1: two years in the league, Bill just owned you. He 635 00:34:03,360 --> 00:34:06,200 Speaker 1: just doesn't lose to you. I look at them, You're 636 00:34:06,200 --> 00:34:08,799 Speaker 1: looking at the new England schedule, might takeaways. They're gonna 637 00:34:08,840 --> 00:34:11,800 Speaker 1: win a lot of ugly games. Yeah, well, I mean, Colin, 638 00:34:11,840 --> 00:34:14,360 Speaker 1: they went seven to nine last year and Cam was atrocious. 639 00:34:14,560 --> 00:34:17,440 Speaker 1: I mean for the I'd say eighty percent of the 640 00:34:17,440 --> 00:34:20,719 Speaker 1: season he couldn't throw. So they bring him back because 641 00:34:20,760 --> 00:34:23,279 Speaker 1: clearly that I think they value that. It's kind of 642 00:34:23,280 --> 00:34:25,760 Speaker 1: shocking to me. He worked there right, his work ethic, 643 00:34:25,840 --> 00:34:28,000 Speaker 1: They just like him in the building. Well, now they 644 00:34:28,040 --> 00:34:31,200 Speaker 1: have Mack, who is, dramatically I think, better than Jared Stidham. 645 00:34:31,440 --> 00:34:33,880 Speaker 1: So if they can just kind of infuse him on 646 00:34:33,960 --> 00:34:36,279 Speaker 1: top of all the talent that they've brought in. They 647 00:34:36,280 --> 00:34:38,840 Speaker 1: bought all these players. They got aggressive in the draft 648 00:34:39,400 --> 00:34:42,040 Speaker 1: that I'm with you, you know, in seventeen game season, 649 00:34:42,080 --> 00:34:45,200 Speaker 1: I don't think it's inconceivable that they get to ten plus. 650 00:34:45,760 --> 00:34:48,920 Speaker 1: Of any human being that you've ever covered in sports, 651 00:34:49,400 --> 00:34:51,879 Speaker 1: is any guy going to be more driven? Especially from 652 00:34:51,880 --> 00:34:54,680 Speaker 1: a coaching standpoint, than Bill Belichick this season after what 653 00:34:54,760 --> 00:34:57,120 Speaker 1: just happened to him last year, just how just kind 654 00:34:57,160 --> 00:34:59,840 Speaker 1: of lifeless his franchise was. And then factor in Tom 655 00:35:00,120 --> 00:35:02,520 Speaker 1: and he gets to play Tom this year, which the 656 00:35:02,560 --> 00:35:05,239 Speaker 1: Bucks are better than the Patriots. But I think you're 657 00:35:05,280 --> 00:35:10,040 Speaker 1: gonna see a Patriot team that just looks dramatically different 658 00:35:10,040 --> 00:35:12,279 Speaker 1: than the squad. They have way better players. I mean, 659 00:35:12,320 --> 00:35:16,279 Speaker 1: they bought six or seven impact guys. They drafted well. 660 00:35:16,360 --> 00:35:18,840 Speaker 1: They have a functional quarterback, even if he's just a 661 00:35:19,200 --> 00:35:21,600 Speaker 1: you know, Mac just has to be a quote unquote 662 00:35:21,600 --> 00:35:24,240 Speaker 1: game manager. He can do that. And now they have weapons. 663 00:35:24,280 --> 00:35:25,759 Speaker 1: They have some running backs, they sign a couple of 664 00:35:25,760 --> 00:35:28,799 Speaker 1: wide receivers, they sign the tight ends. And defensively, like 665 00:35:28,840 --> 00:35:31,640 Speaker 1: you said, like you think Zach Wilson's beating the Patriots 666 00:35:31,640 --> 00:35:36,879 Speaker 1: this year, come on, like yeah, yeah, the Texans, even 667 00:35:37,120 --> 00:35:39,040 Speaker 1: even a team like the Browns, who they on paper 668 00:35:39,080 --> 00:35:41,640 Speaker 1: should be better than the Patriots, like Baker Mayfield just 669 00:35:41,640 --> 00:35:43,400 Speaker 1: a lot to beat the Patriots, Like I don't know, 670 00:35:43,840 --> 00:35:46,120 Speaker 1: you know, That's that's where Belichick has a big advantage. 671 00:35:46,120 --> 00:35:56,279 Speaker 1: Just he's arguably the best coach ever. That wraps it 672 00:35:56,360 --> 00:35:58,040 Speaker 1: up for the week before heading into another big week 673 00:35:58,080 --> 00:36:00,480 Speaker 1: here at The Volume. 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