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Speaker 4: He thinks he's so funny.

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Speaker 5: Frank, good book, Franson, who's going to start the show today?

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Speaker 4: We first of all, welcome to Counterpoints.

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Speaker 5: But if you were listening, Ryan was opening the show

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Speaker 5: by looking straight to camera as though he was busy

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Speaker 5: reading his book, The Squad amc and The Hope of

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Speaker 5: a Political Revolution.

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Speaker 4: I don't know if that kinds of starting the show right.

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Speaker 6: I'm enjoying it. It's fun to go back through it.

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Speaker 6: Speaking of this book we're gonna have. Ted was on

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Speaker 6: the show later today. We promised last time that Ted

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Speaker 6: Cruz was going to join us.

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Speaker 3: We talked a big game, we were really going to

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Speaker 3: nail this guy to the wall.

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Speaker 6: And maybe he was watching the beginning of the show

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Speaker 6: and he decided he's not gonna make it. He rescheduled

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Speaker 6: for today, so he will be here later. That's what

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Speaker 6: we're told. We make no promises because he controls his schedule,

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Speaker 6: but he says he will be here later in the show.

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Speaker 6: The reason it's relevant to the book is he's currently

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Speaker 6: hanging out at number thirteen on the bestseller list. You

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Speaker 6: know what they say about the last person to graduate

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Speaker 6: from medical school where they call them a doctor, the

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Speaker 6: person that's at the very bottom of the bestseller list,

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Speaker 6: best selling author. My book's out next week. I've got

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Speaker 6: my eye on Ted Cruz. It's kind of a conflict

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Speaker 6: of interest to have him on here, because I don't

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Speaker 6: want to help him sell books.

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Speaker 4: This is so bitterly competitive it is.

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Speaker 6: I'm going to make it the most boring interview ever,

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Speaker 6: so nobody watches it, nobody.

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Speaker 3: Buys the book.

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Speaker 4: That's pretty good. Well, maybe don't do that.

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Speaker 3: I won't do that. It'll be an exciting interview.

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Speaker 4: We do.

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Speaker 3: Go ahead and buy the book. If you like Ted Cruz,

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Speaker 3: go ahead and buy book.

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Speaker 5: You know he's always game to have debates and arguments,

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Speaker 5: so I expect that's what's going to happen. By the

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Speaker 5: that's my expectation for it at the very least. But Ryan,

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Speaker 5: before we get to that, we do have a lot.

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Speaker 4: Of news to go over.

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Speaker 5: More hostages were released yesterday, more negotiations towards a potential

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Speaker 5: extension of the ceasefire.

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Speaker 4: We have elections.

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Speaker 5: Nicki Haley got the coveted Koch brothers in Noorisement.

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Speaker 3: And rods, and Nicki Haley just had an.

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Speaker 5: Interesting reaction to that. We're talking about all kinds of

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Speaker 6: Yes, and Congress is now trying to figure out ways

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Speaker 6: to get money to Ukraine. Yes, and so the new

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Speaker 6: strategy that they have landed on is they're going to

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Speaker 6: tighten asylum rules. They're going to add more money for

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Speaker 6: border security. There's a deal being worked out between kind

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Speaker 6: of Ukraine. Yeah, it's sort of kind of like, well,

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Speaker 6: the kind of hardline immigration hawks don't like it, obviously,

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Speaker 6: the immigration rights groups don't like it. People who think

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Speaker 6: that we need to wind this war down already don't

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Speaker 3: Nobody seems to like it.

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Speaker 6: But that's how they get things through Congress that nobody likes.

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Speaker 4: How we get things done in this country.

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Speaker 3: It's right.

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Speaker 6: Everybody means everybody hates it. That means it's likely to

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Speaker 4: Everybody hates it except for the lobbyists. Probably.

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Speaker 3: No, it's great, great Northern Virginia real estate, that's for sure.

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Speaker 4: It'll do great for that.

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Speaker 5: We also had some interesting numbers coming out of Black

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Speaker 5: Friday about by now pay later functions that have been

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Speaker 5: about the economy. After that, we will get to ted Cruz,

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Speaker 5: but let's start with the hostages.

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Speaker 4: Ryan. More hostages were released yesterday.

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Speaker 5: We can put the a block up on the screen here,

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Speaker 5: the truth, I guess, if you could call it, that

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Speaker 5: was extended two days and eleven more hostages were freed yesterday.

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Speaker 5: What did you make of some of this footage that

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Speaker 6: Yeah, And what I think people who are hoping for

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Speaker 6: this point. Because at the same time that this is unfolding,

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Speaker 6: You've got more than one point seven million people displaced,

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Speaker 3: Like that leads directly to rampant disease.

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Speaker 6: Cindy McCain actually is, you know now, the head of

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Speaker 6: the World Food Program, which I had forgotten, but she's

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Speaker 6: been out warning that Gaza is approaching famine conditions. There

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Speaker 6: humanitarian relief supplies getting in and that's just not enough

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Speaker 6: for a city of what used to be a city

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Speaker 4: And we have more from the New York Times.

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Speaker 5: We can put this next graphic up on the screen here,

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Speaker 5: the first round of hostages released as extended truce appears.

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Speaker 4: Behold, that's their headline.

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Speaker 5: But if you're looking at this, if you're watching the show,

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Speaker 5: which we saw actually some of them being released Israelis

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Speaker 5: yesterday and getting jeered pretty brutally as they were released.

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Speaker 4: We saw a we see.

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Speaker 5: Here people fifty five years and older, eighteen to fifty

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Speaker 5: four and older. Eleven Israeli hostages were released yesterday, and

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Speaker 5: according to Reuter's, Hamas had said earlier that it received

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Speaker 4: Those eleven hostages.

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Speaker 5: People probably remember that the Israeli the Israeli stance on

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Speaker 4: Where do you think that stands right now after yesterday.

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Speaker 6: I think that they're sorting out who and how they're

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Speaker 3: They certainly prefer that to you.

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Speaker 6: A bombing rampage they have, they have essentially signaled that

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Speaker 6: is rejecting that, saying that no, like they're they're still

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Speaker 6: committed to completely annihilating Hamas. The calculations of what that

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Speaker 6: they there are various estimates of how many Hamas fighters

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Speaker 6: we're talking about hundreds of thousands of killed, and that's

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Speaker 6: And you're seeing you're seeing children release who are allegedly

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Speaker 4: That I'm.

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Speaker 7: what the lost romot? You call it the.

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Speaker 7: Could she? But mohammed.

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Speaker 6: So just horrifying stories that we're hearing coming out of

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Speaker 6: with this situation where the detainees are the former detainees

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Speaker 6: being told that they're not allowed to celebrate, not allowed

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Speaker 4: That's part of the deal.

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Speaker 3: That's part of the deal. They're not allowed to celebrate.

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Speaker 5: It's you know, actually, let's even get into this next

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Speaker 3: On this issue that Sky News.

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Speaker 8: I believe we understand that a teenager has been shot.

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Speaker 8: Is this the right way to handle this situation, given

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Speaker 8: that tensions are already rising and emotions are already quite high.

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Speaker 9: Well, we're talking about the release of attempted murderers. You

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Speaker 9: call them children, but we're talking about teenagers who stabbed

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Speaker 8: That's not my question, Deputy Mayor. I totally and fully

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Speaker 8: understand that they haven't been accused giving you the contract,

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Speaker 8: I understand, but I if I can, Deputy Mayor, Deputy.

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Speaker 4: Mayor, I'm just going to interrupt you.

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Speaker 8: I am fully aware of I'm fully aware of I'm

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Speaker 8: answering that, Deputy Mayor.

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Speaker 10: I'm fully aware of what they've been vibrations. Part of

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Speaker 10: the deal was that there would be no celebrations, and

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Speaker 10: the reason that these clashes are occurring is because exactly

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Speaker 10: against the deal that there would be no celebrations celebrating

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Speaker 9: Part of the deal was that they would not have

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Speaker 9: these celebrations. And if the clashes are occurring, it's exactly

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Speaker 9: because of that.

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Speaker 5: Well, so that was the deputy mayor you heard of

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Speaker 5: Jerusalem speaking on Sky News and ran, you know, I

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Speaker 5: do what you said earlier makes sense to me. It

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Speaker 5: also makes sense to me that celebrations can fuel potential

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Speaker 5: that that's what happened.

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Speaker 6: So it goes back to this talking point that we

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Speaker 6: constantly hear that Israel is the only democracy in the

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Speaker 6: be protected, the only democracy in the Middle East. Would

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Speaker 6: not insist that you cannot celebrate, because you have to

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Speaker 6: understand that's also in the context of laws they've implemented

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Speaker 6: people that are arrested and jailed for posting just sympathy

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Speaker 6: for people who've been killed in Jazza.

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Speaker 5: In fact, we talked about a journalist last week on

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Speaker 4: He walks it back.

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Speaker 6: He's now walking back in. Well, his aids are walking

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Speaker 6: We can't lose hope for peace. So he meant that

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Speaker 6: And now Gavier could leave the government, and if everyone

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Speaker 4: What have you done so far?

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Speaker 5: We actually don't know, to your point that you made earlier,

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Speaker 5: But that only goes so far when you have dramatically

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Speaker 6: They have seized vast portions of it, and they do

442
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Speaker 6: not plan on its slowing down the settlements or slowing

443
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Speaker 6: down the expulsions or what peace would take, which is

444
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Speaker 6: actually rolling back the settlements the land for peace. And

445
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Speaker 6: when it comes to Gaza, they've been also very clear

446
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Speaker 6: like that there are significant elements of the Israeli governments

447
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Speaker 6: say we should just clear it out, yeah, and turn

448
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Speaker 6: it into Israeli settlements.

449
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Speaker 5: And I mean, our government is funding supporting a war

450
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Speaker 5: that the government we're supporting has a completely different endgame

451
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Speaker 5: as opposed to what our position is on our public position.

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Speaker 3: At least we're not that stupid, though, are we.

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Speaker 5: Well, if our position is two state solution and this

454
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Speaker 5: is the government, the head of the government that we're

455
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Speaker 5: supporting is saying something basically completely different than that. Let's

456
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Speaker 5: move into the second part of the block, because we

457
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Speaker 5: have net and Yahu talking exactly about this. We're going

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Speaker 5: to start though with Elon Musk, because the two of

459
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Speaker 5: them had a conversation when Elon Musk went to Israel

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Speaker 5: this week and toured. Let's start with some clips and

461
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Speaker 5: some of the audio here is a little bit hard

462
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Speaker 5: to hear. But there's there's some interesting stuff in here.

463
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Speaker 5: So let's roll this one.

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Speaker 9: Last night some of them home, that's home yet, but

465
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Speaker 9: the most of them were.

466
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Speaker 7: Taking the murdered signed them in order to breach doors

467
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Speaker 7: from windows.

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Speaker 11: Obviously that there are three things that need to happen

469
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Speaker 11: in the guz's situation. I mean, there's no choice but

470
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Speaker 11: to kill those who insist on murdering civilians. There's our choice.

471
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Speaker 11: They're not going to change their mind. And then the

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Speaker 11: second thing is to change the education so that a

473
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Speaker 11: new generation of murderers is not trained to be murderers.

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Speaker 11: And then the third thing, which is also very important,

475
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Speaker 11: is to try to build prosperity.

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Speaker 5: So as Elon Mus talking to Yahu and the first

477
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Speaker 5: part of the clip, and we actually have more from

478
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Speaker 5: a conversation they had that we're going to roll, I

479
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Speaker 5: think we might as well just roll right into it.

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Speaker 4: It's still very relevant. Here's that club.

481
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Speaker 12: The Germans hold themselves up in the German cities. Nobody said, well,

482
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Speaker 12: don't attack the Wehrmacht, the German army, the Nazi army

483
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Speaker 12: because you have the civilians there. In fact, that's exactly

484
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Speaker 12: what the Allies did, through the cities of France and

485
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Speaker 12: the cities of Germany, and many, many, many civilians were killed.

486
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Speaker 12: I don't know what history would be like if you had,

487
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Speaker 12: you know, the kind of mass communications that we have

488
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Speaker 12: today in protests would have been launched against the Allies

489
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Speaker 12: on behalf of the Nazis. Because because as the German

490
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Speaker 12: chancellor who visited Israel and saw these these horrors, he said,

491
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Speaker 12: Kamas are the new Nazis, Commas are the new Nazis.

492
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Speaker 12: And people are demonstrating either out of ignorance, out of malevolence.

493
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Speaker 12: They're protesting, yeah, for the wrong side.

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Speaker 13: I mean it is. It was troubling to see massive

495
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Speaker 13: protests in almost every major city in favor of a

496
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Speaker 13: moss or well. They generally characterized it as sort of

497
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Speaker 13: a free Palestine movement.

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Speaker 5: And obviously a lot of international law was developed in

499
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Speaker 5: the wake of World War Two and exactly what who

500
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Speaker 5: was talking about. We sort of came to a consensus,

501
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Speaker 5: at least a lot of the West came to a

502
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Speaker 5: consensus and what was appropriate uses of some of these

503
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Speaker 5: vastly power, more powerful new technologies.

504
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Speaker 4: Military right now?

505
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Speaker 6: Yes, like the world, including the West, said no. Dresden

506
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Speaker 6: was not okay.

507
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Speaker 4: Actually, and planes, by the way, are new in Dresden.

508
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Speaker 5: We take it for somewhat for granted now, but like

509
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Speaker 5: planes were within one hundred years of their existence.

510
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Speaker 4: I mean decades way less.

511
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Speaker 5: Yeah, we're trying decades into the existence of airplanes and

512
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Speaker 5: are being used in completely foreign ways to wage war

513
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Speaker 5: that humanity had never seen before in World.

514
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Speaker 4: War One and World War two.

515
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Speaker 6: Right, and so yeah, to go back and say that

516
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Speaker 6: the things that the world like, they were actual not

517
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Speaker 6: like the Germans were actual Nazis, Like you didn't have

518
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Speaker 6: to stretch the like some weird comparison to say that

519
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Speaker 6: all Ammas or Nazis or you know, actual Nazis. And

520
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Speaker 6: even in that situation the West, like okay, if we

521
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Speaker 6: had it to do over again, Dreasden is you know,

522
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Speaker 6: fire bombing Dressden and killing how many tens of thousands

523
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Speaker 6: of civilians with you know, for the sake of sowing

524
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Speaker 6: terror was not actually necessary for the military and end goal.

525
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Speaker 5: That was Elon Musk Withhu on X. They were doing

526
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Speaker 5: a space's conversation on X. So this was a public

527
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Speaker 5: back and forth. That's the audio that you just heard. Yeah,

528
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Speaker 5: I mean I think it's it's again putting Elon Musk

529
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Speaker 5: in this strange situation where I guess he's putting himself

530
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Speaker 5: in the strange situation where we've seen the power that

531
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Speaker 5: he has in Ukraine with Starlink, and then the tour

532
00:28:19,960 --> 00:28:23,359
Speaker 5: with net Yahu is also extremely interesting because it's I

533
00:28:23,400 --> 00:28:25,919
Speaker 5: think underscoring the power that he has with X And

534
00:28:25,960 --> 00:28:29,000
Speaker 5: so he has this sort of like multi front on

535
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Speaker 5: the Info war front, the Info operation front. He controls

536
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Speaker 5: one of the most important, one of the largest platforms

537
00:28:37,359 --> 00:28:41,480
Speaker 5: for social media for media now period. It's the public

538
00:28:41,520 --> 00:28:43,960
Speaker 5: Square controls it. And on the other hand, he also

539
00:28:44,200 --> 00:28:47,800
Speaker 5: controls and has the potential to control when it comes

540
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Speaker 5: to at least in Ukraine. And I know there's talk

541
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Speaker 5: about how Starlink can function in the future and be

542
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Speaker 5: expanded and used the means to even engage.

543
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Speaker 4: In that discourse.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, And his point, Musk is this very very smart

545
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Speaker 6: guy and so when he says like really dumb things,

546
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Speaker 6: I always wonder.

547
00:29:05,360 --> 00:29:06,560
Speaker 3: Like what on earth is going on?

548
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Speaker 6: So he talked about the basically we need to re

549
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Speaker 6: educate people in Gaza and then we need prosperity. I'm

550
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Speaker 6: all with him on prosperity, Like basically the way that

551
00:29:18,240 --> 00:29:22,400
Speaker 6: the troubles in Ireland, you know, wind up, is that

552
00:29:23,040 --> 00:29:28,160
Speaker 6: the Ireland was given basic dignity but also economic growth

553
00:29:28,160 --> 00:29:32,720
Speaker 6: and opportunity, and so the costs of joining you know,

554
00:29:32,760 --> 00:29:38,480
Speaker 6: Shinfein were higher because you had actual economic opportunities. The

555
00:29:38,520 --> 00:29:41,520
Speaker 6: cost of joining Hamas for a nineteen year old kid

556
00:29:41,720 --> 00:29:44,360
Speaker 6: in Gaza is zero because it's like a seventy five

557
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Speaker 6: percent unemployment rate. Now it's close to one hundred percent,

558
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Speaker 6: and so what else do you have to do? Like,

559
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Speaker 6: if you give people other options, they are.

560
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Speaker 3: Going to take them.

561
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Speaker 6: That's why you see kind of prosperity and peace and

562
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Speaker 6: the end to conflict moving in Tantum.

563
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Speaker 13: So.

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Speaker 6: I think he's right on that the education point was

565
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Speaker 6: just absurd. I interviewed a guy who went to school

566
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Speaker 6: in Gaza a couple of weeks ago, and I actually

567
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Speaker 6: asked him about what you hear about all the propaganda

568
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Speaker 6: that Hamas and before them, you know, Fatah was giving

569
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Speaker 6: to children in Gaza schools, and you read some of it,

570
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Speaker 6: you're like, yeah, this is this is gross stuff, Like

571
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Speaker 6: there's no doubt about it. He made the point, he's like,

572
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Speaker 6: he's like, you really think that in a situation where

573
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Speaker 6: you're living under a blockade where you have four hours

574
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Speaker 6: of electricity to day, where your access to food and

575
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Speaker 6: water is heavily restricted by the Israeli government, that you're

576
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Speaker 6: unable to travel to visit your family in the West Bank,

577
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Speaker 6: or visit your family in Saudi Arabia or Jordan. You

578
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Speaker 6: can't leave for college, you get sick, you need treatment

579
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Speaker 6: in a hospital, you can't leave Gaza. He's like, under

580
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Speaker 6: those conditions, you think you need a teacher to create

581
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Speaker 6: resentment in you for the Israelis Like how like what

582
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Speaker 6: it takes only like one step backwards to think so?

583
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Speaker 6: After Israel produces a famine of biblical proportions makes Gaza uninhabitable,

584
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Speaker 6: what kind of education curriculum are you going to bring

585
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Speaker 6: in and make the people who went through that believe

586
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Speaker 6: that actually it was all okay.

587
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Speaker 4: I mean, there doesn't seem to be it again.

588
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Speaker 5: It's it's very hard to know how the public has

589
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Speaker 5: reacted in Gaza to Hamas in the wake of October seventh,

590
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Speaker 5: because obviously it's different, it's not all it's Gaza is

591
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Speaker 5: not a monolith. The Palsenian people are not a monolith.

592
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Speaker 5: At the same time, though there's a completely legitimate argument

593
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Speaker 5: that they should be blaming Hamas for putting themselves in this.

594
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Speaker 5: Hamas knew what it was going to trigger on October

595
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Speaker 5: seventh and understood the response that was going to trigger,

596
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Speaker 5: and it does always understand the response that it's going

597
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Speaker 5: to trigger. It's intentional, and that I mean in terms

598
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Speaker 5: of where the blame is laid in the last couple

599
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Speaker 5: of months, in the last at least the last you know,

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Speaker 5: since October seventh, that that has to be part of

601
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Speaker 5: the equation. And I think that a lot of the

602
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Speaker 5: indoctrination is to prevent that. And it's not to say

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Speaker 5: that there aren't obviously there are legitimate grievances that people

604
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Speaker 5: have in Gaza against Israel, There's no question about it.

605
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Speaker 5: But I mean that's an important part of this puzzle,

606
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Speaker 5: and I think that's why the Hamas propaganda comes in

607
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Speaker 5: and tries to.

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Speaker 4: Sort of be the block right.

609
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Speaker 6: But the Palestinian Palestinians have seen this movie before in

610
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Speaker 6: some ways, and so they know where this is going.

611
00:32:33,440 --> 00:32:37,600
Speaker 6: So back back in the early eighties when Israel invaded

612
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Speaker 6: Lebanon to clear the Palestinian Liberation Organization, the plot out

613
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Speaker 6: of bay Rout after indiscriminate bombing of bay Rout, after massacres,

614
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Speaker 6: after huge, huge numbers of civilian casualties, PLO basically waved

615
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Speaker 6: the white flag and said, you know, we will leave.

616
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Speaker 6: We will leave Beairut. And the Lebanese population at the

617
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Speaker 6: time was like good like because this has brought this

618
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Speaker 6: like massive like catastrophe onto us, and so there were

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Speaker 6: a lot of there were a lot of Lebanese who

620
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Speaker 6: kind of turned against the PLO. The PLO asked the

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Speaker 6: United Nations in the United States to bring in kind

622
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Speaker 6: of you know, peacekeepers and an international force to protect

623
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Speaker 6: the civilian population. The US sit on at the request

624
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Speaker 6: of Israel, said no, we're not going to do that,

625
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Speaker 6: but we will take Israel's word that if you leave,

626
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Speaker 6: there will not be you know, civilian massacres. And the

627
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Speaker 6: PLO took them at their word. As soon as they

628
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Speaker 6: as soon as the PLO shipped out of the port

629
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Speaker 6: in Beirut, all of the foreign monitors left, Israeli forces

630
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Speaker 6: came in uh leveled the place like horrifying civilian massacres,

631
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Speaker 6: and decades long or almost decades long occupation followed. And

632
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Speaker 6: so the as this started going on, the Lebanese people

633
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Speaker 6: started thinking, hold on a second, maybe we like, maybe

634
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Speaker 6: we don't actually want the only people who were capable

635
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Speaker 6: of fighting back leaving. So I think that is also

636
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Speaker 6: something that's playing out, Oh totally in God, Like, yeah,

637
00:34:06,840 --> 00:34:09,000
Speaker 6: they don't, they don't. You know a lot of Palestinians do,

638
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Speaker 6: obviously are finding themselves in a situation of how on earth?

639
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Speaker 6: But if if a Maas just leaves do they do

640
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Speaker 6: they trust that Israel is going to come in and.

641
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Speaker 3: Just peacefully rebuild the place now?

642
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Speaker 5: And again that's where we get into Quagmar territory, and

643
00:34:24,960 --> 00:34:27,279
Speaker 5: it's where we get into this question of like, how

644
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Speaker 5: have they proven?

645
00:34:28,200 --> 00:34:30,000
Speaker 4: How has any of the United States proven that.

646
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Speaker 5: The eradication the destruction of Hamas is possible here.

647
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Speaker 4: In all sincerity?

648
00:34:36,920 --> 00:34:40,920
Speaker 5: And so we without having that, it looks like, you know,

649
00:34:41,080 --> 00:34:44,160
Speaker 5: it's it's headed for. There's there's nothing that's going to

650
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Speaker 5: happen right now that's breaking any cycle.

651
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Speaker 4: It's just not going to be.

652
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Speaker 5: It's not breaking the cycle, it's it's perpetuating the cycle.

653
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Speaker 5: Nothing here is going to change, and we have no

654
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Speaker 5: plan to anything that will change because you're not eradicating Hamas,

655
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Speaker 5: you're not destroying Hamas. And if you do, say you

656
00:35:00,160 --> 00:35:02,799
Speaker 5: do that, what comes into the vacuum. We also have

657
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Speaker 5: absolutely no plan for except for more violence.

658
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Speaker 6: The only people that seem to have a plan, the

659
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Speaker 6: only faction that seems to have a plan, are the

660
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Speaker 6: ones who say we're just going to lock this completely

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Speaker 6: down and we're going to basically empty out the population

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Speaker 6: one where or the other of the gods strip right,

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Speaker 6: which will then only leave a handful of West Bank

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Speaker 6: regions to just keep under perpetual lockdown. Like that, that's

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Speaker 6: the only endgame that seems to make any sense. And

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Speaker 6: I'm using the words sense in a neutral way, not

667
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Speaker 6: as something that anybody ought to support, but anything else,

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Speaker 6: any other endgame does not seem plausible given what's being done.

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Speaker 4: Right, No, I agree.

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Speaker 5: Then what's worse is that we're not being given anything

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Speaker 5: clear anyway. And that's because they know, I mean, it's

672
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Speaker 5: like it's a completely feudal exercise to say like, oh, yes,

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Speaker 5: we have this very clear path to peace, we have

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Speaker 5: very clear path.

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Speaker 4: To a better situation. There isn't one, and that's why

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Speaker 4: we're not hearing.

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Speaker 6: Right, and roughly even populations between Israel and the Palestinian territories.

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Speaker 6: Means that you'd have to have a huge either outflow

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Speaker 6: of population elsewhere into other Middle Eastern countries or the

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Speaker 6: deaths of hundreds of thousands of people in order for

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Speaker 6: Israel to be actually able to carry out an occupation,

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Speaker 6: because if you have population of seven eight million trying

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Speaker 6: to occupy a population of seven to eight million, you

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Speaker 6: can't do that, you know, sustainably and indefinitely, because you

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Speaker 6: also have need those seven million people to run an

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Speaker 6: economy and.

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Speaker 3: To be a country. You can't just be a prison.

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Speaker 5: It's no minor difference between Biden and Nyah who Biden's

689
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Speaker 5: saying two state solution, two state solution, and yah who's saying,

690
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Speaker 5: I'm not budging on this period, there's no two state solution.

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Speaker 5: To have the two leaders say that within such close

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Speaker 5: proximity to each other on the same day. Again, it's

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Speaker 5: not surprising if you follow both of these governments, but

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Speaker 5: it's it should be shocking to the sort of conscience

695
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Speaker 5: of where this hot war, hot conflict is going in

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Speaker 5: the near future.

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Speaker 6: And to finish up with Elon Musk, we can put

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Speaker 6: this last element up. Musk had suggested that he was

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Speaker 6: going to make Starlink available to Gaza humanitarian outfits. The

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Speaker 6: Israel pushed back and said, no, do not, do not

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Speaker 6: do that because Tamas will end up using starlink. And

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Speaker 6: so Israel has now told Elon Musk that Starlink can

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Speaker 6: only operate in Gaza with its approval.

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Speaker 12: You know.

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Speaker 6: Their quote is basically, you know, any operation of Starlink

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Speaker 6: within Israel, you know, must have the permission of Israel,

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Speaker 6: and that includes Gaza, which contradicts there kind of earlier

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Speaker 6: claims that Gaza is like independent and that they've left

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Speaker 6: it right.

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Speaker 5: Well, I mean, just to the you know, we're what

711
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Speaker 5: we're almost two months into this hot conflict. We're coming

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Speaker 5: up on the first week of December, which we'll make

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Speaker 5: it two months.

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Speaker 4: And you know, the New York Times.

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Speaker 5: Had a staggering again not particularly surprising, but a staggering

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Speaker 5: report on the proportion the apparent proportion of civilian deaths

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Speaker 5: in this conflicts.

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Speaker 3: Because women and children making up like eighty percent.

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Speaker 5: From yeah, I mean from several different ways that people

720
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Speaker 5: have have sort of crunched these numbers and analysts have

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Speaker 5: looked at them, and it is by what the information

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Speaker 5: we have available right now, it does not compare favorably

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Speaker 5: to other conflicts. It does not compare favorably to Fallujah,

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Speaker 5: the US prosecution of the Iraq War and Fallujah. Even

725
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Speaker 5: there where there's high civilian casualties, what we're seeing right

726
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Speaker 5: now appears to be a really, really a much worse

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Speaker 5: proportion of civilian dust to militant dusts to fight or dust.

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Speaker 5: It's hard to know, I get it. These these numbers

729
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Speaker 5: are difficult. Although Ryan, you guys at the Intercept have

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Speaker 5: actually earlier in the conflict, you were able to validate

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Speaker 5: some of the.

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Speaker 4: Numbers that were coming out.

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Speaker 5: But all that is to say, when you have that

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Speaker 5: situation juxtaposed with the lack of direction from these governments,

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Speaker 5: the lack of clear sort of paths forward, it's just

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Speaker 5: it's a disaster.

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Speaker 6: And we might find And how horrifying is this that

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Speaker 6: the proportion of civilian casualties carried out by the Israeli

739
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Speaker 6: assault on Gaza will be higher than the proportion of

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Speaker 6: civilian murders by Hamas.

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Speaker 3: On October seventh.

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Speaker 6: And that is not at all to defend or minimize

743
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Speaker 6: what Hamas did on October seventh. What what it does

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Speaker 6: do is it puts in context the brutality of what

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Speaker 6: Israel is doing here. If Hamas even had a lower

746
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Speaker 6: proportion of civilian deaths in what we all agree it

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Speaker 6: was a horrifying atrocity, then what does this count as.

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Speaker 4: Ryan on this question of a ceasefire.

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Speaker 5: There's new reporting in the intercept about how Democrats in

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Speaker 5: Congress are handling the question of where we go from here.

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Speaker 5: Take us through a little bit of what you guys

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Speaker 5: have learned from Bernie Sanders yesterday, yes when he was

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Speaker 5: questioned by Daniel bogus Law YEP.

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Speaker 6: Senate Democrats yesterday met and discussed whether or not to

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Speaker 6: condition aid to Israel. My colleague Bogus Law talk to

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Speaker 6: Bernie Sanders ahead of time, and Sanders said that you

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Speaker 6: can put.

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Speaker 3: Up this element here.

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Speaker 6: I think it's c one said that he was considering

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Speaker 6: forcing a vote onto the Senate floor condition conditioning aid.

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Speaker 6: Now this comes as Senator Peter Welsh, the other Senator

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Speaker 6: from Vermont, has called for an indefinite ceasefire. Representative Becka Ballot,

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Speaker 6: who's the only member of the House from Vermont, has

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Speaker 6: called for a ceasefire and has signed on to that resolution,

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Speaker 6: leaving Bernie Sanders is the only elected official from Vermont

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Speaker 6: who is not called for a ceasefire. And so the

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Speaker 6: question then becomes, what would Sanders do with regard to this, this,

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Speaker 6: this vote on conditioning AID. Now any if Sanators is

769
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Speaker 6: watching this, or if any of his staff are watching this.

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Speaker 6: There actually is only one way that I know of

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Speaker 6: to force a vote on conditioning AID, and that's the

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Speaker 6: Foreign Service to Act Subsection five OO two B, and

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Speaker 6: I think it's only been used once in fifty years.

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Speaker 6: And it's different than the lay He Law. The lay

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Speaker 6: Hey Law says that the United States government cannot give

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Speaker 6: military assists and security assistance to units that are engaged

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Speaker 6: in human rights abuses. But that's only enforceable by the

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Speaker 6: State Department. In the State Department, obviously it has no

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Speaker 6: intention of enforcing that at the moment. There is a

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Speaker 6: provision that under five oh two B that would allow

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Speaker 6: any Senator and then so not just talking to Bernie

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Speaker 6: Sanders or anybody in the Senate.

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Speaker 3: We'll ask Ted Cruz if he.

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Speaker 6: Wants to introduce this when he comes here later today.

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Speaker 6: Any Senator can put a privileged resolution on the floor

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Speaker 6: that it has to sit in the committee for ten days.

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Speaker 6: After ten days come out of the Committee and then

788
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Speaker 6: you vote on it. If it passes the Senate, it

789
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Speaker 6: would force then the State Department to take thirty days

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Speaker 6: to conduct a study of whether or not Israel is

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Speaker 6: engaged in a pattern of human rights abuses, and if

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Speaker 6: they are, then a congressional resolution of disapproval would be privileged,

793
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Speaker 6: would get a vote on the floor. So Sanders actually

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Speaker 6: does have a path like he can do this if

795
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Speaker 6: he is serious about wanting to put people on the

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Speaker 6: record on the question of funding unchecked human rights of abuses.

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Speaker 5: So the day after Thanksgiving, he said he told reporters

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Speaker 5: that conditioning AID is quote a worthwhile thought, and said,

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Speaker 5: I don't think if I started off with that.

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Speaker 4: This is Biden, though, this is Biden.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, okay, great, So that he said we'd have ever

802
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Speaker 5: gotten to where we are today, which was to your

803
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Speaker 5: point earlier in the show about Biden's argule even Biden's

804
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Speaker 5: So what he said publicly versus what he said.

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Speaker 3: It seems like Bernie is not willing to go further

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Speaker 3: than Biden. It seems like.

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Speaker 5: But I think that also reflects Bernie's stance on this,

808
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Speaker 5: that he thinks this is sort of an attack to

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Speaker 5: whole I don't want to say neutrality, but almost the

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Speaker 5: sort of neutrality and the question of a ceasefire, not

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Speaker 5: a neutrality in the conflict, but this question of a ceasefire.

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Speaker 5: That it's helpful to have a public stance that allows

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Speaker 5: you some more wiggle room privately.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think Bernie has just really dug in.

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Speaker 6: And he's not someone who is you know, who really

816
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Speaker 6: takes pressure from the left, well right, he doesn't. I mean,

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Speaker 6: he doesn't take pressure well from anybody. He's he's very

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Speaker 6: he's an he's an independent minded person.

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Speaker 4: You talked about some of that in the book that

820
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Speaker 4: in the Squad.

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Speaker 3: Go get that, Go get the book.

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Speaker 6: And uh, you know he a lot of his family

823
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Speaker 6: was wiped out in the Holocaust. He took you from

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Speaker 6: people close to him, you know, he took the October

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Speaker 6: seventh massacres, you know, extremely hard as as I think

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Speaker 6: it's easy to say that we all did, but you know,

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Speaker 6: I think for for for some you know, who have

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Speaker 6: that that experience, that that experience and that heritage, no,

829
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Speaker 6: it hits, it hits even harder, incredibly, And so it

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Speaker 6: was it was visceral for him and then and he

831
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Speaker 6: is he is not like I said, he's not somebody

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Speaker 6: that responds well to pressure from the left. So you've

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Speaker 6: you've just seen him kind of digging in, and then

834
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Speaker 6: you've seen the left, uh, you know, pushing harder and

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Speaker 6: harder on him, because there's such a dissonance between the

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Speaker 6: Bernie Sanders that people think they know and the Bernie

837
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Speaker 6: Sanders of of this moment.

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Speaker 3: So this is a live question.

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Speaker 6: Now if he says he's considering the bare minimum, which

840
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Speaker 6: is to say, our security assistance should not be used

841
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Speaker 6: for what we all acknowledge, our human rights abuses, international

842
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Speaker 6: war crimes like that. Should that shouldn't be a difficult

843
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Speaker 6: step for him to take.

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Speaker 5: Now, you've been following John Federman very closely throughout his

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Speaker 5: his young political cameritment, especially over the last couple of months.

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Speaker 4: When you can put this next element up on the

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Speaker 4: screen here, Obviously people have seen.

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Speaker 5: The images of John Feedder, not this one from the

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Speaker 5: oh right, So this is John Fetterman. Ryan's going to

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Speaker 5: get into this in a second. But if you're looking

851
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Speaker 5: at the screen right now, this is some background. It's

852
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Speaker 5: really helpful context and background on John Fetterman's approach the

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Speaker 5: question of Israel super pack support, APAC support and all

854
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Speaker 5: of that. So let's take a look at this vo

855
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Speaker 5: and then Ryan, you can walk us through some of

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Speaker 5: the background. This is John Fetterman's office where he has

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Speaker 5: speaking of you incredibly visceral reactions that a lot of

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Speaker 5: Jewish Americans especially have had to October seventh. This is

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Speaker 5: pictures of the hostages on the wall of John John

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Speaker 5: Fetterman's Senate office.

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Speaker 4: Now, John Fetterman, as.

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Speaker 5: We've talked about a little bit here, is is definitely

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Speaker 5: Ryan a man of the left.

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Speaker 4: Has been right sort of populist left.

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Speaker 5: This is he's not just sort of cautiously like Bernie

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Speaker 5: staking out a different position from the left on this.

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Speaker 5: He was draped in the really flag at the demonstration,

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Speaker 5: the Perriginal demonstration here in DC recently, and he has

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Speaker 5: done that not just literally but also rhetorically and with

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Speaker 5: his votes throughout the course of the last couple of months.

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Speaker 5: Give us a little bit more background about as people

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Speaker 5: just saw up on their screen, the Connor Lamb dilemma,

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Speaker 5: the super packs that came into the race, what explains

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Speaker 5: John Fetterman. In fact, we can put the tweet up

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Speaker 5: from Ryan because Ryan has been following this on Twitter, right.

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Speaker 6: This comes from my new book that's out next week.

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Speaker 6: And so during the twenty twenty two campaign, when he

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Speaker 6: was running for Senate, he had to fend off not

879
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Speaker 6: just a primary challenge, but also a Republican because it's

880
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Speaker 6: a swing district.

881
00:46:44,120 --> 00:46:45,600
Speaker 3: And so I'll just read a little bit of that.

882
00:46:45,680 --> 00:46:47,600
Speaker 6: Fetterman was locked and what threatened to be a tight

883
00:46:47,640 --> 00:46:50,880
Speaker 6: primary race with the Representative Connor Lamb for the Senate nomination.

884
00:46:51,040 --> 00:46:54,120
Speaker 6: Lamb's campaign was openly pleading for super Pac support to

885
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Speaker 6: put him over the top. Early in the year, Jewish

886
00:46:56,480 --> 00:46:59,200
Speaker 6: Insider reported Mark Melman, who was the head of d MFI,

887
00:46:59,640 --> 00:47:02,360
Speaker 6: had reached out to Fetterman with questions about his position

888
00:47:02,400 --> 00:47:06,880
Speaker 6: on Israel. It's Democratic Majority for Israel Democratic activist Brett

889
00:47:06,880 --> 00:47:09,719
Speaker 6: Goldman told Jewish Insider, quote, he's never come out and

890
00:47:09,800 --> 00:47:12,480
Speaker 6: said that he's not a supporter of Israel, but the

891
00:47:12,520 --> 00:47:15,480
Speaker 6: perception is that he aligns with the squad more than

892
00:47:15,520 --> 00:47:19,080
Speaker 6: anything else. So Melmann said, the Fetterman campaign responded to

893
00:47:19,120 --> 00:47:22,080
Speaker 6: his inquiry and quote came with an interest in learning

894
00:47:22,120 --> 00:47:25,240
Speaker 6: about the issues. Following the meeting, the campaign reached out again.

895
00:47:25,640 --> 00:47:28,080
Speaker 6: Then they sent us a position paper which we thought

896
00:47:28,120 --> 00:47:31,520
Speaker 6: was very strong, Melman said, but it wasn't quite strong enough.

897
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Speaker 6: Jewish Insider reported that DMFI emailed back some comments on

898
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Speaker 6: the paper, which quote Fetterman was receptive to addressing in

899
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Speaker 6: a second draft. In April, Fetterman agreed to do an

900
00:47:43,040 --> 00:47:44,160
Speaker 6: interview with Jewish Insider.

901
00:47:44,239 --> 00:47:44,640
Speaker 3: Quote.

902
00:47:44,760 --> 00:47:46,640
Speaker 6: I want to go out of my way, he said,

903
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Speaker 6: to make sure that it's absolutely clear that the views

904
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Speaker 6: that I hold in no way go along the lines

905
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Speaker 6: of some of the more fringe or extreme wings of

906
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Speaker 6: our party. I would also respectfully say that I'm not

907
00:47:58,400 --> 00:48:03,239
Speaker 6: really a progressive in that since Betterman unprompted stress that

908
00:48:03,280 --> 00:48:06,640
Speaker 6: there should be zero conditions on military aid to Israel,

909
00:48:06,840 --> 00:48:10,640
Speaker 6: that BDS which isott the boycott movement toward Israel, that

910
00:48:10,680 --> 00:48:13,640
Speaker 6: BDS was wrong, and so on. Quote let me just

911
00:48:13,680 --> 00:48:16,040
Speaker 6: say this, even if I'm asked or not, I was

912
00:48:16,080 --> 00:48:19,760
Speaker 6: dismayed by the Iron Dome vote, he added. As a result,

913
00:48:20,320 --> 00:48:23,759
Speaker 6: DMFI and APEX stayed out of his race. Now, I

914
00:48:23,760 --> 00:48:29,080
Speaker 6: think some of this goes to explain where he has

915
00:48:29,080 --> 00:48:31,840
Speaker 6: wound up on this issue because he has both a

916
00:48:32,040 --> 00:48:35,560
Speaker 6: Democratic primary to worry about or at the time, and

917
00:48:35,600 --> 00:48:37,480
Speaker 6: now he has a general election to worry about next

918
00:48:37,480 --> 00:48:39,600
Speaker 6: time he runs in Pennsylvania Senate. But I do not

919
00:48:39,680 --> 00:48:43,560
Speaker 6: think it explains everything, because he's been kind of the

920
00:48:43,560 --> 00:48:46,120
Speaker 6: most vocal. Yeah, he's an advocate of Israel.

921
00:48:46,200 --> 00:48:48,880
Speaker 4: Like it's clearly a sincere.

922
00:48:48,680 --> 00:48:52,640
Speaker 6: There's something more going on than just just this.

923
00:48:53,000 --> 00:48:56,840
Speaker 5: Well, and I can imagine, you know, the pictures of

924
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Speaker 5: the hostages. For example, we were just talking about how

925
00:48:59,120 --> 00:49:03,080
Speaker 5: incredibly visceral the witnessing what happened on October seventh was

926
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Speaker 5: for a lot of people who descend from Holocaust survivors,

927
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Speaker 5: his families, as you mentioned Bernie Sanders, where a lot

928
00:49:07,719 --> 00:49:11,680
Speaker 5: of his family has wiped out. The hostages here are

929
00:49:11,800 --> 00:49:15,520
Speaker 5: are really I completely understand him putting their pictures up

930
00:49:15,520 --> 00:49:19,640
Speaker 5: in his office. I mean that is, you know, the enduring,

931
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Speaker 5: not even symbol, because it's beyond symbolic.

932
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Speaker 4: I mean, it is symbolic, but it is.

933
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Speaker 5: The enduring symbol and the enduring you know, example of

934
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Speaker 5: Hamasa's specific culpability.

935
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Speaker 4: In October seventh.

936
00:49:36,239 --> 00:49:39,359
Speaker 5: John Fetterman, on the other hand, though, for the sort

937
00:49:39,400 --> 00:49:42,480
Speaker 5: of the way that he's handled this, it is really

938
00:49:42,520 --> 00:49:46,640
Speaker 5: really interesting that he seems to almost relish right being

939
00:49:47,000 --> 00:49:52,600
Speaker 5: anti populist Left when he so relished being pro populous left,

940
00:49:52,880 --> 00:49:55,480
Speaker 5: and the rest of his campaign he really wasn't shy,

941
00:49:55,640 --> 00:49:57,319
Speaker 5: and I actually think that's why he won. I think

942
00:49:57,320 --> 00:50:00,680
Speaker 5: he's the sort of model electoral popular And I don't

943
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Speaker 5: mean that, you know, in any I mean that in

944
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Speaker 5: a sort of like a literal sense, that the path

945
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Speaker 5: for populous victory, as I see it, is you're not

946
00:50:08,320 --> 00:50:11,680
Speaker 5: not pretending you aren't in favor of medicare for all,

947
00:50:11,800 --> 00:50:15,440
Speaker 5: not pretending that you have a more centrist position on

948
00:50:15,480 --> 00:50:19,160
Speaker 5: any of these issues. So for Fetterman, it is particularly

949
00:50:19,200 --> 00:50:19,879
Speaker 5: interesting for.

950
00:50:19,920 --> 00:50:25,360
Speaker 6: Him, right and right, I think, you know, calling for

951
00:50:25,400 --> 00:50:28,600
Speaker 6: the hostages to be released, I think is something that

952
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Speaker 6: basically everybody can agree with, like.

953
00:50:31,080 --> 00:50:33,080
Speaker 3: At least the hostages. Yeah. Uh.

954
00:50:33,560 --> 00:50:38,279
Speaker 6: It's it's the inability, it seems, or the unwillingness to

955
00:50:38,320 --> 00:50:43,440
Speaker 6: say anything about or anything significant about the catastrophe and Gaza, Right,

956
00:50:43,520 --> 00:50:46,600
Speaker 6: that's the part I think that that has people kind

957
00:50:46,600 --> 00:50:49,520
Speaker 6: of shaken that like wow, Like okay, you want to

958
00:50:49,560 --> 00:50:52,000
Speaker 6: wear an Israeli flag at the at the rally.

959
00:50:52,719 --> 00:50:55,160
Speaker 3: Okay, you know you want to, you know you want to.

960
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Speaker 6: Even he saw anti war protesters on the street and

961
00:50:59,640 --> 00:51:02,319
Speaker 6: a bunch of veterans getting arrested and he waved an

962
00:51:02,360 --> 00:51:05,360
Speaker 6: Israeli flag like in their face as they were getting arrested. Like,

963
00:51:05,400 --> 00:51:07,080
Speaker 6: all right, that's a little bit over the top, but

964
00:51:07,239 --> 00:51:11,799
Speaker 6: I get it. But if you couple that with at

965
00:51:11,880 --> 00:51:17,840
Speaker 6: least expressions of concern for the Palestinians facing a slaughter

966
00:51:18,560 --> 00:51:21,719
Speaker 6: that is kind of orders of magnitude greater than what

967
00:51:21,800 --> 00:51:28,040
Speaker 6: happened on October seventh, then at least you can sense

968
00:51:28,080 --> 00:51:29,360
Speaker 6: the humanity in the situation.

969
00:51:29,800 --> 00:51:33,759
Speaker 5: Yeah, Hamash should release the hostages. There shouldn't have to

970
00:51:33,800 --> 00:51:36,880
Speaker 5: be a negotiation. Hamash should release the hostages.

971
00:51:37,000 --> 00:51:40,920
Speaker 6: You can condemn hamas but also condemn collective punishment of

972
00:51:40,920 --> 00:51:41,680
Speaker 6: two million people.

973
00:51:41,800 --> 00:51:42,400
Speaker 4: This is you know.

974
00:51:42,640 --> 00:51:45,040
Speaker 5: So the House of Representatives took a vote last night

975
00:51:45,200 --> 00:51:50,279
Speaker 5: on an resolution that was build as basically just a

976
00:51:50,320 --> 00:51:56,040
Speaker 5: pro Israel resolution and an anti like Holocaust resolution, a

977
00:51:56,239 --> 00:51:59,000
Speaker 5: very just like sort of symbolic gesture that the House

978
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Speaker 5: does every so often. Two votes were not for it.

979
00:52:03,360 --> 00:52:06,239
Speaker 5: One was a present vote from Rashida Salib. The other

980
00:52:06,800 --> 00:52:10,200
Speaker 5: was an outright no from Thomas Massey, who took issue

981
00:52:10,560 --> 00:52:13,960
Speaker 5: reasonably so with a part of the bill that reads

982
00:52:14,920 --> 00:52:18,880
Speaker 5: it rejects or it recognizes the House of Representatives recognizes

983
00:52:18,960 --> 00:52:21,600
Speaker 5: that denying Israel's right to exist is a form of

984
00:52:21,640 --> 00:52:22,480
Speaker 5: anti Semitism.

985
00:52:22,600 --> 00:52:24,480
Speaker 4: Massy said, I'm voting.

986
00:52:24,200 --> 00:52:27,880
Speaker 5: No on the resolution because it equates anti Zionism with

987
00:52:27,920 --> 00:52:31,239
Speaker 5: anti Semitism. Anti Semitism is deplorable, but expanding it to

988
00:52:31,280 --> 00:52:34,640
Speaker 5: include the criticism of Israel is not helpful. And the

989
00:52:34,640 --> 00:52:37,080
Speaker 5: reason I brought that up is just because two things

990
00:52:37,120 --> 00:52:39,080
Speaker 5: can be true at the same time. We can have

991
00:52:39,120 --> 00:52:42,319
Speaker 5: two different positions or two positions on different issues at

992
00:52:42,360 --> 00:52:45,480
Speaker 5: the same time and acting like they're constantly mutually exclusive.

993
00:52:45,880 --> 00:52:47,400
Speaker 4: I get having priorities.

994
00:52:47,440 --> 00:52:50,400
Speaker 5: I get that the priorities, and I think the priorities

995
00:52:50,400 --> 00:52:51,480
Speaker 5: here should be the hostages.

996
00:52:51,680 --> 00:52:51,919
Speaker 4: Again.

997
00:52:51,960 --> 00:52:54,080
Speaker 5: That's why I understand Fetterman having them on his wall.

998
00:52:54,400 --> 00:52:56,920
Speaker 5: That can be true, and it can also be true that,

999
00:52:56,960 --> 00:52:59,320
Speaker 5: as The New York Times documented this week, the proportion

1000
00:52:59,400 --> 00:53:04,120
Speaker 5: of civilian casualties is disgusting and unacceptable. You don't have

1001
00:53:04,160 --> 00:53:09,239
Speaker 5: to pick one or the other. Let's move on to

1002
00:53:09,520 --> 00:53:13,640
Speaker 5: Nikki Haley. Nikkia Haley scored the coveted Coke Brothers endorsement

1003
00:53:13,719 --> 00:53:18,279
Speaker 5: yesterday when the conservative group Americans for Prosperity came out

1004
00:53:18,320 --> 00:53:21,320
Speaker 5: and gave her their steal of approval in the twenty

1005
00:53:21,360 --> 00:53:24,240
Speaker 5: twenty four presidential election. We can go ahead and put

1006
00:53:24,320 --> 00:53:26,960
Speaker 5: the first, the first element up on the screen here.

1007
00:53:26,960 --> 00:53:28,760
Speaker 5: So this is a headline from the New York Times.

1008
00:53:28,840 --> 00:53:32,040
Speaker 5: Coke network endorses Nikki Haley in bid to push GOP

1009
00:53:32,800 --> 00:53:37,080
Speaker 5: past Trump. All right, Ryan, this is actually pretty interesting.

1010
00:53:37,360 --> 00:53:41,920
Speaker 5: Let's let's roll DeSantis's reaction here. This is another tear sheet.

1011
00:53:42,080 --> 00:53:44,920
Speaker 5: The DeSantis camp reacted by putting out a press release

1012
00:53:44,960 --> 00:53:48,160
Speaker 5: immediately that said, the Dsanta's campaign congratulates Donald Trump on

1013
00:53:48,239 --> 00:53:52,080
Speaker 5: securing the Coke endorsement. Congrats to Donald Trump on securing

1014
00:53:52,120 --> 00:53:52,800
Speaker 5: the Coke endorsement.

1015
00:53:52,880 --> 00:53:53,640
Speaker 4: Like clockwork, the.

1016
00:53:53,600 --> 00:53:56,840
Speaker 5: Pro open borders, pro jailbreak bill establishment is lining up

1017
00:53:56,840 --> 00:54:00,000
Speaker 5: behind a moderate who has no mathematical bathway of defeat

1018
00:54:00,160 --> 00:54:02,799
Speaker 5: the former president. Every dollar spent on Nicki Haley's candidacy

1019
00:54:03,040 --> 00:54:06,400
Speaker 5: should be reported as an in kind to the Trump campaign.

1020
00:54:06,480 --> 00:54:10,279
Speaker 5: That's from the DeSantis comms director Andrew Romeo, and I

1021
00:54:10,360 --> 00:54:14,479
Speaker 5: will add Ryan, it is pretty interesting for a couple

1022
00:54:14,520 --> 00:54:15,040
Speaker 5: of reasons.

1023
00:54:15,200 --> 00:54:19,359
Speaker 4: One, it's a Pete Amy twenty twenty move.

1024
00:54:19,440 --> 00:54:22,040
Speaker 5: It's an attempt to consolidate the field because in a

1025
00:54:22,080 --> 00:54:24,560
Speaker 5: state like New Hampshire and actually even in Iowa. If

1026
00:54:24,560 --> 00:54:28,680
Speaker 5: you put together the anti Trump votes for other candidates,

1027
00:54:29,239 --> 00:54:32,400
Speaker 5: that will generally in polling that means Trump will have

1028
00:54:32,440 --> 00:54:35,200
Speaker 5: a much harder time that you don't have Trump over

1029
00:54:35,239 --> 00:54:38,520
Speaker 5: that fifty percent threshold in early states. So if you

1030
00:54:38,520 --> 00:54:41,680
Speaker 5: can consolidate the votes, then you can have this like

1031
00:54:41,800 --> 00:54:47,960
Speaker 5: last gasp attempt to get get in and potentially undermine Trump.

1032
00:54:48,360 --> 00:54:49,760
Speaker 4: NICKI. Haley is a hawk.

1033
00:54:50,280 --> 00:54:55,040
Speaker 5: The Cookes are not Americans for Prosperity and stand together

1034
00:54:55,200 --> 00:54:58,600
Speaker 5: the broader Coke Network are not hawkish on foreign policy.

1035
00:54:58,640 --> 00:55:01,600
Speaker 5: They have this very sort of traditiontional libertarian approach to

1036
00:55:01,640 --> 00:55:06,160
Speaker 5: foreign policy and to immigration. As the Desanta's campaign slammed

1037
00:55:06,160 --> 00:55:09,360
Speaker 5: the pro open borders Americans for Prosperity, And that brings

1038
00:55:09,360 --> 00:55:10,920
Speaker 5: me to the third point, which is that this is

1039
00:55:11,120 --> 00:55:15,480
Speaker 5: highly sort of unusual, but not in any way surprising,

1040
00:55:15,640 --> 00:55:18,160
Speaker 5: because over the course of the last ten years, Americans

1041
00:55:18,160 --> 00:55:23,239
Speaker 5: for Prosperity went from being a really consensus celebrated tea

1042
00:55:23,280 --> 00:55:28,319
Speaker 5: party group to being what now is decried by one

1043
00:55:28,320 --> 00:55:31,040
Speaker 5: of the leading presidential campaigns as pro open borders.

1044
00:55:31,320 --> 00:55:32,440
Speaker 4: Blah blah blah.

1045
00:55:32,600 --> 00:55:35,759
Speaker 6: The DeSantis campaign seemed quite salty. There were they hoping

1046
00:55:35,800 --> 00:55:37,719
Speaker 6: that they were going to get the Cope endorsement.

1047
00:55:37,920 --> 00:55:40,000
Speaker 5: I don't think so, and I actually don't think anybody

1048
00:55:40,080 --> 00:55:43,560
Speaker 5: really wants it. But on the other hand, The New

1049
00:55:43,640 --> 00:55:45,920
Speaker 5: York Times lays out how it could be helpful for

1050
00:55:46,000 --> 00:55:49,879
Speaker 5: Nikki Haley, who has this somewhat of a surge in

1051
00:55:50,000 --> 00:55:53,320
Speaker 5: New Hampshire where she's basically overtaken Dysantis in some poles

1052
00:55:53,360 --> 00:55:56,879
Speaker 5: in New Hampshire, and she's you know, feels like she's

1053
00:55:56,920 --> 00:55:59,760
Speaker 5: on a surge, and states like Iowa, South Carolina obviously

1054
00:55:59,760 --> 00:56:01,920
Speaker 5: now that Tim Scott has dropped out, that's extremely helpful

1055
00:56:01,960 --> 00:56:02,960
Speaker 5: to her in early states.

1056
00:56:03,320 --> 00:56:05,000
Speaker 4: So that comes with.

1057
00:56:05,160 --> 00:56:08,759
Speaker 5: AFP's infrastructure, and so the one thing that Nikki Haley

1058
00:56:08,800 --> 00:56:11,040
Speaker 5: didn't have. You know, it doesn't matter that much if

1059
00:56:11,120 --> 00:56:13,480
Speaker 5: the polls are going at you know, five points in

1060
00:56:13,520 --> 00:56:15,840
Speaker 5: one direction or the other if you don't have a

1061
00:56:15,880 --> 00:56:18,440
Speaker 5: ground game. So this matters to the extent that it

1062
00:56:18,480 --> 00:56:20,120
Speaker 5: can give her a ground game to say this really

1063
00:56:20,160 --> 00:56:22,720
Speaker 5: already has that in some of these early states, especially

1064
00:56:22,719 --> 00:56:23,200
Speaker 5: in Iowa.

1065
00:56:23,360 --> 00:56:24,400
Speaker 3: How did the Koch square.

1066
00:56:24,640 --> 00:56:27,879
Speaker 6: The foreign policy question there is like do they they

1067
00:56:27,960 --> 00:56:29,560
Speaker 6: just don't like Trump so much?

1068
00:56:30,120 --> 00:56:31,920
Speaker 3: They say that they're just.

1069
00:56:32,120 --> 00:56:34,080
Speaker 6: They they'll take someone who one hundred and eighty degrees

1070
00:56:34,080 --> 00:56:38,560
Speaker 6: opposite of them when it comes to American adventurism abroad.

1071
00:56:38,719 --> 00:56:40,319
Speaker 5: I think so this is a memo, they say in

1072
00:56:40,360 --> 00:56:42,719
Speaker 5: sharp contrast to recent elections that were dominated by the

1073
00:56:42,719 --> 00:56:45,200
Speaker 5: negative baggage of Donald Trump and in which good candidates

1074
00:56:45,200 --> 00:56:47,279
Speaker 5: lost races that should have been one Nicki Haley at

1075
00:56:47,280 --> 00:56:49,320
Speaker 5: the top of the ticket, with boost candidates.

1076
00:56:48,920 --> 00:56:50,560
Speaker 4: Up and down the ballot.

1077
00:56:50,760 --> 00:56:53,759
Speaker 5: Haley is quote the key independent and moderate voters that

1078
00:56:53,800 --> 00:56:56,239
Speaker 5: Trump has no chance to win. I think that means

1079
00:56:56,280 --> 00:56:59,640
Speaker 5: the key to independent, moderate voters the moment, we requires

1080
00:56:59,640 --> 00:57:02,840
Speaker 5: face to tested leader with governing judgment and policy experience

1081
00:57:02,840 --> 00:57:05,600
Speaker 5: to pull our nation back from the brink. The country

1082
00:57:05,640 --> 00:57:09,560
Speaker 5: is being ripped apart by extremes on both sides.

1083
00:57:09,200 --> 00:57:12,480
Speaker 6: Which basically folks are saying that they're upset that they're

1084
00:57:12,520 --> 00:57:18,080
Speaker 6: extremes on both sides after spending the last three decades

1085
00:57:18,440 --> 00:57:21,360
Speaker 6: funding like extreme element of well.

1086
00:57:21,360 --> 00:57:23,800
Speaker 4: I mean, it's kind of interesting because the ex.

1087
00:57:24,040 --> 00:57:26,400
Speaker 3: They're all trying to find who did this, Like they're huge.

1088
00:57:26,480 --> 00:57:28,800
Speaker 5: Yeah, they were huge Tea Party funders because the Tea

1089
00:57:28,800 --> 00:57:32,040
Speaker 5: Party the question was limited government, quote limited government, and

1090
00:57:32,080 --> 00:57:35,200
Speaker 5: so their hope was that you know, they don't think

1091
00:57:35,240 --> 00:57:37,280
Speaker 5: they got behind like a Christin O'Donnell, but you know,

1092
00:57:37,320 --> 00:57:40,080
Speaker 5: you can find any number of people. Their hope was

1093
00:57:40,080 --> 00:57:43,880
Speaker 5: that these sort of cultural conservatives would keep the social conservatism,

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Speaker 5: the cultural conservatism, on the back burner, and would you know,

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Speaker 5: they would be able to convince people, you know, to

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Speaker 5: do Gang of eight stuff. They would be able to

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Speaker 5: convince people, and that's a reference to immigration. They'd be

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Speaker 5: able to convince people to do all of the pro

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Speaker 5: business stuff.

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Speaker 4: Get those tax cuts.

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Speaker 5: They got those tax cuts in fact, by the House

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Speaker 5: and the Senate in twenty seventeen the president. I don't

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Speaker 5: know how much money they put into the presidential election,

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Speaker 5: but they got.

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Speaker 3: Those tax cuts when Trump pays them.

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Speaker 5: Right, Yeah, they got those tax cuts in twenty seventeen.

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Speaker 4: So it depends.

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Speaker 5: I mean, they're pro business extremism, sure on other issues

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Speaker 5: they are totally moderate. Which is why it's much more

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Speaker 5: easy for DeSantis to come in now and say to

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Speaker 5: try to drive a wedge because Nikki Haley has a

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Speaker 5: coke endorsement, and I actually think running ads connecting Nikki

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Speaker 5: Haley to the pro open Border's coke network is not

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Speaker 5: helpful to her whatsoever.

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Speaker 4: In Iowa or New Hampshire.

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Speaker 6: And we also have a very bizarre debate coming up

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Speaker 6: between two people who sort of are running for president.

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Speaker 6: One of them is an official candidate for president, Ron DeSantis,

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Speaker 6: who I think most people have forgotten is kind of

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Speaker 6: still running, but he still.

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Speaker 3: Hasn't dropped out.

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Speaker 4: This is the next element.

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Speaker 6: The other one is Gavin Newsom, who is not an

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Speaker 6: official candidate for president, but I think people kind of

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Speaker 6: take his candidacy at this point more seriously than they

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Speaker 6: take Ron desantiss On. On the other side, Newsom is

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Speaker 6: not going to do anything unless some unless Biden either

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Speaker 6: you know, fades out, decides he's not going to run

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Speaker 6: at the last minute, or drops out. We have like

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Speaker 6: weeks left for that to even be remotely possible. And

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Speaker 6: so to position himself in this kind of war for

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Speaker 6: the kind of second you know, second tier position to

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Speaker 6: get with with Kamala Harris and with others, there's going

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Speaker 6: to be this debate. I guess why are they doing this?

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Speaker 4: Well, an economist journalist.

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Speaker 5: You just saw that economist element on the screen, the

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Speaker 5: presidential matchup that isn't referring to DeSantis and Newsom. Uh,

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Speaker 5: They asked Newsome why people should watch this debate between

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Speaker 5: a presidential candidate and a governor who is not currently

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Speaker 5: running for anything. And he said, quote, I don't know

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00:59:54,920 --> 00:59:58,920
Speaker 5: they should and a doing this sentiment.

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Speaker 4: You know, it's supposed to on Thursday.

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Speaker 5: It has been scheduled before, and it has been mixed before,

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Speaker 5: And it's obviously a kind of a question for the

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Speaker 5: RNC two if you want your one of your presidential

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Speaker 5: candidates participating in this sort of extracurricular debate in the

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Speaker 5: middle of debate season. There's another debate obviously coming up

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Speaker 5: next week with the sixth that's going to be in Tuscaloosa,

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Speaker 5: the University of Alabama. So it's just a strange situation.

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Speaker 5: I don't think anybody really wants it. I'm sure it'll

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Speaker 5: be interesting because news in particular, you know, news in

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Speaker 5: particular is a showman. DeSantis really is not a showman.

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Speaker 5: But if you want to see a clash of the

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Speaker 5: sort of younger standard bearers of the centrist Democrats, I

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Speaker 5: guess he tries to be a sort of progressive in spirit.

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Speaker 4: So if you want to see.

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Speaker 5: The clash between a spiritual progressive and I.

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01:00:52,640 --> 01:00:55,040
Speaker 6: Think what he really channels is like the id of

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Speaker 6: the Democratic resistance that wants to see kind of Republicans

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Speaker 6: rhetorically punching the I agree, probably actually literally sometimes. Yeah,

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Speaker 6: and so people loved his interview with Hannity where he

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Speaker 6: really really gave it to Hannity. It doesn't matter like

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Speaker 6: kind of what the response is in some of these debates.

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Speaker 6: What I'm realizing is that people just want kind of

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Speaker 6: mean and clever things said to the face of the opposition,

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Speaker 6: no matter what the opposition, Like the opposition can have

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Speaker 6: a great retort or not, but as long as you

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Speaker 6: kind of throw that first punch, then people are like, yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 6: I mean.

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Speaker 5: I want these sort of ideas to clash in public

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Speaker 5: as much as as humanly possible. And I've talked about

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Speaker 5: this before, like the famous John Stewart moment where he

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Speaker 5: told Tucker Carlson and Paul Bagala that Crossfire was like

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Speaker 5: ruining America and everyone sort of clapped and cheered and said,

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Speaker 5: this is exactly what we needed.

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Speaker 4: I've always disagreed with that.

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Speaker 5: I think that it's not helpful to push these conversations

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Speaker 5: and to not be able to model public debate, even

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Speaker 5: you know, among people who disagree with each other, hate

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Speaker 5: each other, and even among people who get really theatrical

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Speaker 5: with it and make it into a show. I mean,

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Speaker 5: I think that's important for the public to see. I

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Speaker 5: think it's important for people in politics to be able

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Speaker 5: to do like even just going through the motions. I

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Speaker 5: think it's important. And to see the clash of ideas I.

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Speaker 4: Think is important. So I'm glad that they're doing it.

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Speaker 5: But it's extremely weird, and I think it just speaks

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Speaker 5: to the fact that Gavin Newsom knows that anything could

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Speaker 5: happen to Joe Biden at any given moment. Ronda Santis

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Speaker 5: knows that he knows the same thing could be true

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Speaker 5: of Donald Trump, who is facing four indictments.

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Speaker 3: That's true. Everyone's just hanging out hoping.

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Speaker 5: And people are Yeah, people are desperate, desperate to find

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Speaker 5: anything that just completely removes Donald Trump from the race,

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Speaker 5: at least his name from the ballad, even though it's

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Speaker 5: to loom heavily over the race. So that's where we

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Speaker 5: are right now. Nobody likes the situation between the presidential matchups,

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Speaker 5: and I really also don't think anybody likes the situation

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Speaker 5: between Newsom and DeSantis. So that's but this is what

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Speaker 5: we get.

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Speaker 6: The United States Senate is trying to find money for Ukraine,

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Speaker 6: and to do so Emily, they're turning to immigration policy.

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Speaker 6: Tell us what's going on with these negotiations.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, so again obviously when we were covering what happened

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Speaker 5: with Kevin McCarthy and ended in the speakership of Mike Johnson. Again,

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Speaker 5: he continues, we will bring you updates week by week

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Speaker 5: on whether Mike Johnson continues to be a real person.

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Speaker 5: He is, in fact a real person. We can confirm

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Speaker 5: that as of this week. We'll bring you an update

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Speaker 5: next week if that changes. But Mike Johnson is now

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Speaker 5: in the situation of basically negotiating against the government shutdown.

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Speaker 5: He wants to do sort of a tiered omnibus system,

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Speaker 5: what they.

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Speaker 4: Call it ladder, which is new.

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Speaker 5: You've never seen that in all your time covering congresson Imagine. Yeah,

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Speaker 5: it's sort of a legislative parliamentary innovation. But one of

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Speaker 5: the ways that Republicans are trying to force Democrats to

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Speaker 5: the table is making them pass what was Hr two

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Speaker 5: in the House, a very tough immigration bill that I

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Speaker 5: think actually probably would have been a consensus left right

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Speaker 5: type of legislation twenty years ago, but no longer is

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Speaker 5: because we have massive waves of migrants we've never seen

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Speaker 5: before coming up through Central America and into Mexico, And

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Speaker 5: so it's now a political football in a way it

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Speaker 5: wouldn't have been before it reforms the asylum system. There

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Speaker 5: may be a bargaining chip, and I say that in

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Speaker 5: a way that it's a tragedy that I'm saying it,

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Speaker 5: But there may be a bargaining ship with DACA immigrants,

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Speaker 5: which is condant.

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Speaker 3: How can we get a pathway deicizenship? And nobody else would.

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Speaker 5: Right, But will Republicans let a pathway decizenship for the

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Speaker 5: DACA kids who are not really kids anymore.

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Speaker 4: Becomesties and forties now, yes, So all that is to.

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Speaker 5: Say Republicans think rightfully. It's pathetic that Democrats support the

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Speaker 5: Biden administration's immigration policy, and a lot of this does

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Speaker 5: need to go through Congress because the Biden administration is

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Speaker 5: just acting with executive authority that can be reformed via Congress.

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Speaker 5: And so they're saying, this is our demand, this is

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Speaker 5: our bargaining chip, this is our uh, this is our

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Speaker 5: condition for passing your omnibus budget deal to avoid a

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Speaker 5: government shutdown. Mike John's and wants to push it into January.

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Speaker 5: There's not a lot of time to figure this out.

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Speaker 6: Basically, right, And so Chris Murphy is the Democrat leading

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Speaker 6: the negotiations on the Senate side. Murphy, though, his priority

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Speaker 6: is Ukraine funding, right, And so you're hearing a lot

1246
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Speaker 6: of anger from folks, particularly Pablo Manricus has been reported

1247
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Speaker 6: has been reporting this on Capitol Hill saying that so

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Speaker 6: the Hispanic senators are not happy having Chris Murphy kind

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Speaker 6: of giving away the farm on immigration in order to

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Speaker 6: get Ukraine money.

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Speaker 3: At the same time, though, you've got then.

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Speaker 6: The Republicans on the right in the House thinking that

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Speaker 6: there's not enough in the Senate immigration provision.

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Speaker 3: So where is this going to head?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean.

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Speaker 5: That's one of the big remaining questions. And actually we

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Speaker 5: can put the element up, the next element up on

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Speaker 5: the screen here. This is the Associated Press's coverage. Republicans

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Speaker 5: want to pair security with aid, border security with aid

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Speaker 5: for Ukraine. Here's why that makes the deal so tough.

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Speaker 5: It's about also immigration and enforcement, so funding, and this

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Speaker 5: is where Biden has definitely come to the table, and

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Speaker 5: this is what's really upsetting some of the Republicans in

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Speaker 5: the kind of Freedom Caucus circles and conservative movement circles.

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Speaker 5: Biden is saying basically that I'm going to come to

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Speaker 5: the table on funding you know, CBP, I'm going to

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Speaker 5: come to the table. I'm going to fund border patrol.

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Speaker 5: I'm going to fund all of these security measures.

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Speaker 3: Buy more four wheelers right for the border.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, exactly, exactly, And so that gives Biden a huge

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Speaker 5: rhetorical win. He can say that he struck a deal

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Speaker 5: with Republicans because you need a filibuster.

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Speaker 4: Proof majority in the Senate for this to pass.

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Speaker 5: Obviously, Republicans control the House, so you would obviously Democrats

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Speaker 5: have a huge contingency in the House, but you would

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Speaker 5: need a lot of Republicans. It would have to be

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Speaker 5: a bipartisan deal in the House as well. So Biden

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Speaker 5: can strike a deal with Republicans that lets him say

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Speaker 5: he support a tougher border, a tougher border policy. And

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Speaker 5: all of that comes without reforming asylum wall, which if

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01:06:59,760 --> 01:07:02,320
Speaker 5: you've if all the immigration issue closely, whether you're on

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01:07:02,360 --> 01:07:05,200
Speaker 5: the left or on the right, without changes to our

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01:07:05,240 --> 01:07:08,040
Speaker 5: asylum law, there will continue to be a humanitarian crisis

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Speaker 5: at the border. That is at the bottom line, that's

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01:07:10,800 --> 01:07:13,520
Speaker 5: game over. That there's no period, there's no other question

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Speaker 5: that you can even bring up in that space. So

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Speaker 5: the sort of Freedom Caucus people that pushed out Kevin

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Speaker 5: McCarthy and are sort of, you know, begrudgingly swallowing the

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Speaker 5: Mike Johnson pill are furious because it gives Biden a

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Speaker 5: rhetorical win on border security without actually doing a damn

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Speaker 5: thing for the border. Now, let's put this quote up

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Speaker 5: on the screen. This is exclusive to us here at

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Speaker 5: Counterpoints Breaking Points. This is from a senior student staffer

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Speaker 5: who told us last night Republican Side Republican sident staffer,

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Speaker 5: it's not about the border, it's about a fig leaf

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Speaker 5: for funding Ukraine. And that's how Mitch McConnell. But I

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Speaker 5: kind of joked with the source. I was like, I'm

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Speaker 5: just going to attribute this to Mitch McConnell, because that's

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Speaker 5: miss McConnell is probably saying that in private, like this

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Speaker 5: is our figurey for funding Ukraine.

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Speaker 4: It's transparently obvious. That's what they're doing, right.

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Speaker 3: They want money for Ukraine.

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Speaker 6: They have to figure out a way that they can

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Speaker 6: get Republicans to feel good about voting for it, and

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Speaker 6: so go after immigrants a little tiny bit, right.

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Speaker 5: And this is again from the AP piece. They were

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Speaker 5: saying Bind's emergency request to Congress included aid for Ukraine, Israel,

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Speaker 5: and other US allies along with fourteen billion dollars bolster

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Speaker 5: the immigration system and border security.

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Speaker 4: So again it's about the.

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Speaker 5: Israel emergency request too, And that was a huge sort

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Speaker 5: of dust up with Jade Vance on the Senate side,

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Speaker 5: who was specifically saying they're trying to tie Ukraine to

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01:08:35,760 --> 01:08:39,799
Speaker 5: Israel because they know that their support for Israel funding

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Speaker 5: and that support for more and more money in Ukraine

1316
01:08:42,439 --> 01:08:44,960
Speaker 5: is really becoming difficult for them to sell back home.

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Speaker 6: Right, So they're just trying to find things that you

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Speaker 6: can rope to Ukraine funding and kind of drag it

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Speaker 6: through Congress. Already, you've got Heritage Action, When can put

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Speaker 6: up this third element here? You've got Heritage Action right

1321
01:08:58,880 --> 01:09:02,519
Speaker 6: wing organization and saying HR two is the only solution

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01:09:02,640 --> 01:09:04,639
Speaker 6: to securing the border. It's the kind of a preemptive

1323
01:09:04,680 --> 01:09:09,439
Speaker 6: shot at these negotiations, and they're warning that what the

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Speaker 6: Senate Republicans are coming up with is too moderate and

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01:09:13,439 --> 01:09:16,920
Speaker 6: should not be kind of enough of a carrot to

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Speaker 6: drag Ukraine funding across the finish line.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, and I want to read this article from the

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Speaker 5: Hill just as of yesterday, they say no government funding

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01:09:25,160 --> 01:09:27,280
Speaker 5: bills are scheduled to hit the House floor this week,

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Speaker 5: and their headline is actually GP faces ominous signs and

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01:09:30,200 --> 01:09:34,360
Speaker 5: effort to avoid January shutdown. Basically, so this is the

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Speaker 5: emergency funding request. But it's all tied together because these

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Speaker 5: are all different chips and they're all different pieces of

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01:09:41,200 --> 01:09:44,840
Speaker 5: the puzzle to get to a funded government. Because if

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Speaker 5: Mike Johnson is gone in the middle of this negotiation,

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Speaker 5: which is totally possible because there's still one person motion

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Speaker 5: to vacate, then you go into a shutdown. And I

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Speaker 5: don't think Democrats. I mean, the incentive for Democrats is

1339
01:10:00,439 --> 01:10:03,720
Speaker 5: its shutdowns are a gift to them politically, so they

1340
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Speaker 5: don't have a ton of incentive. It doesn't look great

1341
01:10:06,120 --> 01:10:08,880
Speaker 5: for Biden, you know, they obviously want to avoid that.

1342
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Speaker 5: But Republicans always get blamed for a shutdown, sometimes reasonably

1343
01:10:12,400 --> 01:10:14,960
Speaker 5: so because Republicans say, please blame us for the shutdown, like,

1344
01:10:15,000 --> 01:10:17,160
Speaker 5: look at us, we shut down the government. So the

1345
01:10:17,200 --> 01:10:20,360
Speaker 5: incentives to actually make a deal on this both politically

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01:10:20,680 --> 01:10:24,080
Speaker 5: and on the policy front are basically zero, right.

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Speaker 6: And this is all happening as we've gotten new revelations

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Speaker 6: over the last few days that the negotiations that were

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Speaker 6: taking place in Turkey between Ukraine and Russia in March

1350
01:10:33,880 --> 01:10:38,920
Speaker 6: of twenty two were actually as close to reaching a

1351
01:10:38,920 --> 01:10:42,880
Speaker 6: peace deal as some people suspected at the time. Later

1352
01:10:42,960 --> 01:10:45,800
Speaker 6: torpedoed basically, you know, by the US and buy the

1353
01:10:45,920 --> 01:10:49,080
Speaker 6: UK the famous Boris Johnson visit Kiev in which he

1354
01:10:49,520 --> 01:10:53,799
Speaker 6: pushed Selenski, you know, to not sign any truth agreement.

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Speaker 6: The question of whether you know, Russia was serious about

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Speaker 6: it and would have been willing to actually reach a

1357
01:11:00,760 --> 01:11:05,160
Speaker 6: truce at that point remains open. But what we're hearing

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Speaker 6: from a key leader in the Ukrainian negotiations that it

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01:11:09,160 --> 01:11:11,960
Speaker 6: was extremely it was extremely close at the time that

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Speaker 6: Russia at at the moment was looking for a way out.

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Speaker 6: Now Here we are almost two years later, with the

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Speaker 6: US trying to figure out how to kind of jam

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Speaker 6: up Congress to push through tens of billions of more

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Speaker 6: for a war that has seen you know, so many

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Speaker 6: people killed on each side.

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Speaker 5: And yeah, I mean, we can just kind of end

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Speaker 5: with this quote from Mario Diaz Billart, so the Hill rights.

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Speaker 5: As the funding fight drags on, Senior appropriators worried that

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Speaker 5: the House GOP will be weak on footing, will be

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01:11:40,439 --> 01:11:42,879
Speaker 5: on weak footing and inner chamber negotiations if the Conference

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Speaker 5: continues to struggle with clearing its conservative spending bills. Diaz

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Speaker 5: Bilart says, my goal is to move the most conservative

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01:11:48,520 --> 01:11:50,200
Speaker 5: bills we can out of the House to put us

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Speaker 5: in the best possible negotiation position with the Senate. But

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Speaker 5: if we can't pass, we don't get the Republican votes

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01:11:55,760 --> 01:11:58,320
Speaker 5: to do conservative bills. HR two was a bill that

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Speaker 5: the House Republicans passed earlier. That's one of those bills

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Speaker 5: that kind of fits into that strategy. So this is

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Speaker 5: all connected and it's all a disaster.

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Speaker 4: That's basically all you need to know.

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Speaker 5: There you go, Ryan, I don't know if you found

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Speaker 5: this Black Friday stats, these.

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Speaker 3: Black Friday Yes I stuff going on here.

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Speaker 5: It really is interesting and I was actually specifically curious

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Speaker 5: to hear your thoughts on it because it seems pretty troubling,

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Speaker 5: and we have covered a couple of times, for example,

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Speaker 5: credit card delinquency spiking. It was one of those really

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01:12:29,040 --> 01:12:31,479
Speaker 5: frightening indicators of where the economy could be going.

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Speaker 4: We got more of that just from Black Friday data.

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Speaker 6: You have some interesting contradictions in this economy. Most people

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01:12:38,080 --> 01:12:40,760
Speaker 6: who are experiencing it, who are in the economy, are

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01:12:40,800 --> 01:12:45,519
Speaker 6: telling posters that they feel like it's much worse than

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01:12:45,560 --> 01:12:48,760
Speaker 6: it has been in recent years. Yet we continue to

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Speaker 6: keep getting data points, you know, suggesting that people are

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01:12:51,400 --> 01:12:52,200
Speaker 6: feeling good about it.

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Speaker 3: One of them.

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Speaker 6: You can put this up here Business Insider. Americans broke

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Speaker 6: a record for spending on Black Friday and then, but

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Speaker 6: it's just hiding a bigger problem for the economy now.

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Speaker 6: Consumer spending is often looked at by economists as a

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Speaker 6: gauge for how people are genuinely feeling about the economy.

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Speaker 6: Two thousand and eight, two thousand and nine, twenty ten,

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01:13:12,360 --> 01:13:15,040
Speaker 6: people really pulled back there. They're dining out there, and

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01:13:15,080 --> 01:13:18,760
Speaker 6: they're spending in general because they felt much more precarious

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01:13:18,760 --> 01:13:20,840
Speaker 6: than they had two thousand and seven, two thousand and six,

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01:13:21,320 --> 01:13:24,679
Speaker 6: and they're squirreling money away for potentially getting laid off

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01:13:24,960 --> 01:13:27,720
Speaker 6: and for and you know, for other calamities that they

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01:13:27,760 --> 01:13:30,080
Speaker 6: see coming as a result of the economy. You're not

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01:13:30,120 --> 01:13:33,080
Speaker 6: seeing that at this point, you're seeing spending, you know,

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Speaker 6: remain robust, but then there are these other problems underneath

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01:13:37,439 --> 01:13:39,360
Speaker 6: the economy.

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Speaker 3: What do you make of those?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean this is so the data is actually

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Speaker 5: from Adobe, and there's this new I mean it's not

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Speaker 5: entirely new. People have seen it for years, probably by

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Speaker 5: now pay later function on light Way. Yeah, it's yeah,

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Speaker 5: it's digital lightweight. So this is from Business Insider, they say.

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Speaker 5: According to Adobe, which tracks online sales, online shopping on

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01:13:59,600 --> 01:14:02,559
Speaker 5: Black total nine point eight billion, which was actually up

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Speaker 5: seven point eight percent from last year. That's kind of

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01:14:04,960 --> 01:14:07,800
Speaker 5: a part of why this is concerning. Adobe estimates US

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01:14:07,840 --> 01:14:09,920
Speaker 5: shoppers will further spend as much as twelve point four

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01:14:09,960 --> 01:14:15,320
Speaker 5: billion on Cyber Monday. Though that said, they continue well.

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Speaker 5: The increase in spending was predicted for the holiday season.

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01:14:17,520 --> 01:14:19,799
Speaker 5: What is worsome is how Americans are paying for the items.

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01:14:19,800 --> 01:14:22,040
Speaker 5: Many are paying via by now pay later platforms such

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Speaker 5: as Klarna or after Pay, which you see when you're

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01:14:24,360 --> 01:14:27,840
Speaker 5: online shopping obviously when you're checking out, they say. Compared

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Speaker 5: to last year, Klarna observed nearly a thirty percent increase

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Speaker 5: in orders placed by US shoppers on Black Friday this year.

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01:14:33,880 --> 01:14:36,200
Speaker 5: On items such as food mixers, TVs, and coffee makers.

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Speaker 5: And that's according to data that they shared with Business Insider,

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Speaker 5: that's a thirty percent increase.

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Speaker 12: Now.

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Speaker 5: According to Adobe, they say by now pay Later financing

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Speaker 5: was up forty seven percent overall this Black Friday compared

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01:14:48,360 --> 01:14:51,040
Speaker 5: to last year in twenty twenty two, about ten percent

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Speaker 5: of purchases on the day after Thanksgiving us buy now,

1439
01:14:53,280 --> 01:14:57,040
Speaker 5: pay later now. Obviously that could be because these options

1440
01:14:57,040 --> 01:14:58,439
Speaker 5: have gotten easier to use.

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01:14:58,720 --> 01:14:59,960
Speaker 4: There's no question about it.

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01:15:00,040 --> 01:15:04,439
Speaker 5: They're they're easier, they're quicker, they're more efficient. The sort

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01:15:04,439 --> 01:15:06,800
Speaker 5: of digital layaway has become much more seamless.

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Speaker 6: It's so much more fun to do it that way.

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01:15:08,439 --> 01:15:09,680
Speaker 6: You're like, oh, wait, I just have to pay one

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01:15:09,720 --> 01:15:13,240
Speaker 6: hundred dollars a month right for a little while TV. Right,

1447
01:15:13,520 --> 01:15:15,760
Speaker 6: that seems better than this. Yeah, you can get a

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01:15:15,800 --> 01:15:18,400
Speaker 6: nice you keep doing that and then boom, yes.

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Speaker 5: And that's so one of the interesting things is they

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01:15:20,880 --> 01:15:25,120
Speaker 5: said Black Friday spending may have been higher because spending.

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01:15:25,000 --> 01:15:27,200
Speaker 4: Prior to Black Friday was lower.

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Speaker 5: Meaning people are looking specifically to shop deals because they

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01:15:31,240 --> 01:15:34,519
Speaker 5: feel like they need to shop deals. And obviously, you

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01:15:34,520 --> 01:15:37,240
Speaker 5: know Black Friday deals are great and cyber Monday deals

1455
01:15:37,280 --> 01:15:40,880
Speaker 5: are great, but it's definitely an indicator if that's shooting

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01:15:40,960 --> 01:15:44,400
Speaker 5: up and you have slower spending in the run up

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01:15:44,560 --> 01:15:47,360
Speaker 5: compared to other years, and then the spike both in

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Speaker 5: credit card delinquencies and a spike to forty seven percent.

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Speaker 5: I mean that efficiency alone does not explain.

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Speaker 3: It, right.

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Speaker 6: I think one of the best insights into what's going

1462
01:15:56,280 --> 01:15:58,760
Speaker 6: on in this economy comes from this new report by

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01:15:59,280 --> 01:16:02,880
Speaker 6: Lydia to pillis highlighted by Jeff Stein of the Washington Post.

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01:16:03,240 --> 01:16:06,200
Speaker 6: We can put up this element here for people who

1465
01:16:06,240 --> 01:16:08,680
Speaker 6: are just listening. It's what the economy looks like to

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01:16:08,760 --> 01:16:10,839
Speaker 6: Biden voters in swing states.

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Speaker 3: And I want to zero in on the breakdown of

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Speaker 3: by age.

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Speaker 6: And so the question is, on the one hand, do

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Speaker 6: you think the economy is excellent or good? On the

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Speaker 6: other hand, do you think the economy is poor or

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Speaker 6: only fair? People age eighteen to twenty nine, eleven percent

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01:16:27,320 --> 01:16:30,360
Speaker 6: of them call the economy excellent or good, while eighty

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01:16:30,479 --> 01:16:33,000
Speaker 6: nine percent on the other side saying it's.

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01:16:32,840 --> 01:16:34,559
Speaker 3: Poor or only fair.

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01:16:34,760 --> 01:16:41,120
Speaker 6: Almost unanimous from people eighteen to twenty nine, slightly slightly

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Speaker 6: different for thirty to forty four. That's only nineteen percent

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01:16:44,680 --> 01:16:48,439
Speaker 6: versus eighty percent, So still overwhelmingly people under forty four

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01:16:48,920 --> 01:16:54,120
Speaker 6: consider the economy to suck. People sixty five and over meanwhile,

1480
01:16:54,920 --> 01:16:58,200
Speaker 6: say sixty two percent of them say that the economy

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01:16:58,240 --> 01:17:02,120
Speaker 6: is excellent or good. Thirty seven percent say it's bad.

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Speaker 6: You saw some flip idiots on Twitter saying that this

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01:17:05,400 --> 01:17:09,600
Speaker 6: was all about TikTok, But if you look at home ownership,

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01:17:10,439 --> 01:17:11,720
Speaker 6: it also correlates here.

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01:17:11,800 --> 01:17:12,559
Speaker 3: If you look at the.

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Speaker 6: Who has purchased a new home in the last couple

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01:17:17,280 --> 01:17:20,679
Speaker 6: of years, the average agent, I think is fifty eight

1488
01:17:20,880 --> 01:17:24,880
Speaker 6: or something like that. The wealth exists at the top

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01:17:25,760 --> 01:17:28,920
Speaker 6: in an environment age top too, right, in an environment

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01:17:28,920 --> 01:17:33,800
Speaker 6: where you had interest rates crash in twenty twenty, A

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01:17:33,800 --> 01:17:37,679
Speaker 6: lot of people who own homes refinanced in twenty twenty

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01:17:38,200 --> 01:17:42,000
Speaker 6: down to three percent or less, and so they are

1493
01:17:42,000 --> 01:17:45,719
Speaker 6: now sitting on thirty year loans with basically free money

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01:17:46,400 --> 01:17:47,599
Speaker 6: for the next thirty years.

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01:17:48,280 --> 01:17:50,799
Speaker 3: Interest rates are now then seven to eight percent range.

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01:17:51,200 --> 01:17:52,800
Speaker 3: So in order for.

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01:17:52,760 --> 01:17:55,320
Speaker 6: Somebody to buy a house in twenty twenty three compared

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01:17:55,320 --> 01:17:58,120
Speaker 6: to twenty twenty for the exact same house at say

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01:17:58,120 --> 01:18:00,559
Speaker 6: five hundred thousand dollars, you can do them. But it's

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01:18:00,760 --> 01:18:02,880
Speaker 6: you might have to pay an extra thousand dollars a month,

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01:18:03,640 --> 01:18:05,439
Speaker 6: and it depends on the size of the house, the

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01:18:05,479 --> 01:18:09,800
Speaker 6: size of the mortgage. Each one of those points above

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01:18:09,920 --> 01:18:12,720
Speaker 6: three percent adds hundreds of dollars a month. And so

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01:18:13,439 --> 01:18:15,920
Speaker 6: you have all of these people who are under you know,

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01:18:16,200 --> 01:18:20,240
Speaker 6: and even forty five to sixty four, fifty seven percent

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01:18:20,280 --> 01:18:20,879
Speaker 6: of those.

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01:18:21,200 --> 01:18:22,479
Speaker 3: Say the economy is poor.

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01:18:22,720 --> 01:18:27,799
Speaker 6: Yeah, so everyone under sixty four thinks the economy stinks.

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01:18:27,920 --> 01:18:31,719
Speaker 5: And I think it's an expectations versus reality, like mean

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01:18:31,880 --> 01:18:34,600
Speaker 5: come to life, because we have an expectation that the

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01:18:34,640 --> 01:18:37,959
Speaker 5: American dream is attainable to everyone. Upward mobility is attainable

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01:18:37,960 --> 01:18:40,759
Speaker 5: to everyone. And the very specific rungs of that ladder

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01:18:40,960 --> 01:18:45,240
Speaker 5: are a college education and then home ownership, and home

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01:18:45,280 --> 01:18:48,080
Speaker 5: ownership comes with you look at reasons people feel like

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01:18:48,320 --> 01:18:51,040
Speaker 5: they're not getting married, home ownership is actually listed as

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01:18:51,040 --> 01:18:53,880
Speaker 5: one of them. Student loans are actually listed as among

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01:18:53,920 --> 01:18:57,040
Speaker 5: those things. There's a ton of uncertainty this year about

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01:18:57,040 --> 01:19:00,200
Speaker 5: payment on student loans, and so you can understand I

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01:19:00,240 --> 01:19:02,840
Speaker 5: in that uncertainty, people might turn to things like buy now,

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01:19:02,880 --> 01:19:04,960
Speaker 5: pay later, because you're still paying. It's not that you're

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01:19:05,000 --> 01:19:07,439
Speaker 5: not making the purchase. It's just that you're managing your

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Speaker 5: finances incrementally in ways that maybe make you.

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Speaker 4: Feel more comfortable people say.

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Speaker 5: Now, this is from the Business Insider article that eighty

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01:19:14,680 --> 01:19:17,720
Speaker 5: three percent of respondents studies have found pay off their

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Speaker 5: buy now, Pay later programs on time, although, as they note, seventeen.

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Speaker 4: Percent do not.

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Speaker 5: And I think that also shifts the worst the economy gets,

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Speaker 5: or I would expect it to shift, they write, compounding

1530
01:19:28,560 --> 01:19:30,599
Speaker 5: the problems that people tend to spend more when using

1531
01:19:30,600 --> 01:19:33,680
Speaker 5: buy now, pay later programs, suggesting overconfidence in what they

1532
01:19:33,720 --> 01:19:36,439
Speaker 5: can afford. A second research paper from the Social Science

1533
01:19:36,479 --> 01:19:39,360
Speaker 5: Research Network found that consumers spent twenty percent more when

1534
01:19:39,360 --> 01:19:42,120
Speaker 5: buy now, Pay Later was offered, especially on retail items.

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Speaker 4: So combine that with.

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Speaker 5: The fact that you're seeing a car and credit card

1537
01:19:49,520 --> 01:19:53,439
Speaker 5: loan delinquencies spike in recent months, not homeowner loans, which

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01:19:53,439 --> 01:19:55,360
Speaker 5: is so interesting to the point that you made, because

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01:19:55,360 --> 01:19:58,439
Speaker 5: the people who are buying homes right now are not

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01:19:58,560 --> 01:20:02,639
Speaker 5: in any it's a very different financial situation. The economy

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01:20:02,680 --> 01:20:04,880
Speaker 5: is so uneven. I shouldn't say they're not under any

1542
01:20:04,880 --> 01:20:08,600
Speaker 5: financial duress, but it's a completely different bubble. Basically like

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01:20:08,680 --> 01:20:10,160
Speaker 5: economic bubble that people live in.

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01:20:10,560 --> 01:20:11,280
Speaker 4: And so if.

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01:20:11,200 --> 01:20:13,799
Speaker 5: You're able to buy a home right now, you're probably

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01:20:13,960 --> 01:20:16,640
Speaker 5: also not experiencing the economy in the same way that

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01:20:16,760 --> 01:20:20,120
Speaker 5: other people are, where we're seeing delinquencies and spiking.

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Speaker 4: It's actually really troubling time, I think.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, and the one thing homeowners are facing is increases

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01:20:26,080 --> 01:20:28,760
Speaker 6: in property taxes because of reappraisals, because you've got this

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01:20:28,840 --> 01:20:33,400
Speaker 6: situation where you when you have home values rising, but

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01:20:33,800 --> 01:20:35,800
Speaker 6: you're not going to sell your home because nobody can

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01:20:35,800 --> 01:20:38,360
Speaker 6: buy it. But then you end up paying higher property

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01:20:38,400 --> 01:20:42,360
Speaker 6: taxes as a result of that. Everybody's getting squeezed. The

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01:20:42,400 --> 01:20:45,840
Speaker 6: economy is kind of broken. The housing market is like

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01:20:46,120 --> 01:20:51,320
Speaker 6: broken because of the fast move in interest rates. And

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01:20:51,760 --> 01:20:55,800
Speaker 6: when you have a crunch a shortage of housing and

1558
01:20:55,880 --> 01:20:58,559
Speaker 6: you make it harder for people to purchase housing, what

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01:20:58,600 --> 01:21:01,599
Speaker 6: you also do is then decrease the number of starts. Yeah,

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01:21:01,720 --> 01:21:07,080
Speaker 6: like it's counterproductive to driving down just driving down the

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01:21:07,080 --> 01:21:08,559
Speaker 6: cost of housing, because in order to do that, you

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01:21:08,600 --> 01:21:12,080
Speaker 6: need to create more housing, but the interest rate policy

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01:21:12,120 --> 01:21:15,759
Speaker 6: incentivizes fewer housing starts.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, no, it's I mean, it's on that note, I

1565
01:21:18,840 --> 01:21:21,960
Speaker 5: think it's also just going back to expectations versus reality.

1566
01:21:22,000 --> 01:21:25,880
Speaker 5: The economy is broken, broken compared to what people understood

1567
01:21:25,920 --> 01:21:28,160
Speaker 5: the sort of social contract in America to be. So

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01:21:28,240 --> 01:21:30,040
Speaker 5: it's broken in a lot of different ways that you

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01:21:30,040 --> 01:21:32,160
Speaker 5: have these variables totally out of whack compared to where

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01:21:32,160 --> 01:21:34,280
Speaker 5: they used to be. But that also creates a situation

1571
01:21:34,360 --> 01:21:37,280
Speaker 5: where people say, I'm paying my taxes. I'm paying a

1572
01:21:37,320 --> 01:21:39,599
Speaker 5: lot of money in taxes, especially depending on where you live,

1573
01:21:40,000 --> 01:21:42,400
Speaker 5: and what I'm getting for. What I'm getting in return

1574
01:21:42,760 --> 01:21:47,879
Speaker 5: is insane costs of college, These lingering tens of thousands

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01:21:47,920 --> 01:21:50,840
Speaker 5: of dollars. The average college student graduates with around forty

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01:21:50,960 --> 01:21:52,960
Speaker 5: thousand dollars in student loan debt and then takes that

1577
01:21:52,960 --> 01:21:54,920
Speaker 5: with them in their first ten years of adult life

1578
01:21:54,920 --> 01:21:55,760
Speaker 5: into the workforce.

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Speaker 4: So what the hell do you expect people to do?

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01:21:58,080 --> 01:21:59,559
Speaker 4: Of course, they're using buy now, pay later.

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Speaker 12: All right.

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Speaker 6: Well, up next, we're going to be joined by Texas

1583
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Speaker 6: Republican Senator Ted Cruz selling in a new book called Unwoke,

1584
01:22:07,960 --> 01:22:09,440
Speaker 6: something about cultural Marxism.

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01:22:10,080 --> 01:22:11,559
Speaker 3: We're going to maybe find out what that is.

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01:22:11,640 --> 01:22:15,040
Speaker 5: It's how to defeat Ryan Grimm's Cultural Mark good Luck.

1587
01:22:15,200 --> 01:22:17,200
Speaker 5: It's actually a book about how we can take the

1588
01:22:17,280 --> 01:22:19,400
Speaker 5: Lenin book off the shelf.

1589
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Speaker 3: Ever never happening.

1590
01:22:20,800 --> 01:22:23,200
Speaker 5: I like how he's lit up by the red As

1591
01:22:23,240 --> 01:22:26,840
Speaker 5: you pointed out the Christmas read nobody loved Christmas.

1592
01:22:26,600 --> 01:22:27,439
Speaker 4: Like Vladimir Lenin.

1593
01:22:27,520 --> 01:22:29,240
Speaker 3: You had Lenin staring at Cruz. Excellent.

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01:22:30,120 --> 01:22:32,000
Speaker 4: All right, we'll see you after this.

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Speaker 5: What we're joined now by Senator Ted Cruz of Texas,

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01:22:38,200 --> 01:22:41,200
Speaker 5: who's also the author of the new book. It's called Unwoke,

1597
01:22:41,600 --> 01:22:44,800
Speaker 5: How to Defeat Cultural Marxism in America. You can see

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01:22:44,800 --> 01:22:47,479
Speaker 5: it up on your screen right now. Senator Cruz, thank

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Speaker 5: you so much for joining.

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Speaker 4: Us here in counterpoints.

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Speaker 1: It's great to be with you. Thank you for having me.

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Speaker 5: All right, so I want to start with a question

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01:22:52,600 --> 01:22:55,400
Speaker 5: that you've probably heard from critics. You were on Bill

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01:22:55,439 --> 01:22:58,840
Speaker 5: Maher recently on the Left over the course of the

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01:22:58,920 --> 01:23:01,639
Speaker 5: last couple of months. The book is called Unwoke again,

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01:23:01,680 --> 01:23:04,960
Speaker 5: as we just mentioned, and I'm curious, for example, when

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01:23:05,000 --> 01:23:08,759
Speaker 5: Elon Musk banned from the River to the Sea on Twitter,

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01:23:09,479 --> 01:23:10,960
Speaker 5: is that an example or what do you say to

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01:23:10,960 --> 01:23:14,800
Speaker 5: critics who would argue that's an example of conservative wokeness?

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01:23:14,840 --> 01:23:17,040
Speaker 5: Do you support banning that from Twitter?

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Speaker 1: Look, I don't support banning really anything. I believe in

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Speaker 1: free speech, and I think that there's a real difference.

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01:23:25,280 --> 01:23:26,519
Speaker 1: It's one of the things I talked about in the

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01:23:26,520 --> 01:23:30,200
Speaker 1: book between the left and the right. The approach of

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01:23:30,280 --> 01:23:33,599
Speaker 1: the radical left, the approach of the cultural Marxist is

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01:23:33,640 --> 01:23:37,879
Speaker 1: to use power and force and coercion to silence voices

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01:23:37,920 --> 01:23:41,120
Speaker 1: they disagree with. And by and large, conservatives, we're not

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01:23:41,200 --> 01:23:44,320
Speaker 1: looking to silence the left. I don't want to see Bernie,

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01:23:44,560 --> 01:23:47,360
Speaker 1: Bernie Sanders or AOC silence. Frankly, I want to hear,

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01:23:47,520 --> 01:23:51,400
Speaker 1: have people hear what they say more because it's so idiotic. Look,

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01:23:51,479 --> 01:23:53,720
Speaker 1: I agree with John Stuart Mill the best cure for

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01:23:53,760 --> 01:23:59,519
Speaker 1: bad speech is more speech and so but at the

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01:23:59,560 --> 01:24:02,479
Speaker 1: same time time we need to understand the reason I

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01:24:02,479 --> 01:24:06,240
Speaker 1: wrote this book is what has happened in America. Look,

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01:24:06,600 --> 01:24:08,680
Speaker 1: millions of Americans across this country are looking at the

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01:24:08,680 --> 01:24:11,160
Speaker 1: state of the nation, going what the heck happened to

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01:24:11,200 --> 01:24:14,280
Speaker 1: the country we love? And what has happened is every

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01:24:14,439 --> 01:24:18,639
Speaker 1: major institution in America has been captured by the radical left.

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01:24:19,160 --> 01:24:23,640
Speaker 1: And what this book does is it explains that. And

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01:24:23,760 --> 01:24:27,360
Speaker 1: each chapter in the book focuses on a different institution.

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01:24:27,479 --> 01:24:30,599
Speaker 1: So it starts off with universities. I call universities the

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01:24:30,640 --> 01:24:35,280
Speaker 1: Wuhan lab of the woke virus. It's where it was created,

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01:24:35,280 --> 01:24:38,880
Speaker 1: it's where it mutated, it's where it's spread. From universities,

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01:24:38,920 --> 01:24:42,640
Speaker 1: the book goes to K through twelve education, then to journalism,

1635
01:24:43,080 --> 01:24:45,960
Speaker 1: then to government, then to big business, then to big tech,

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01:24:46,600 --> 01:24:52,080
Speaker 1: then to entertainment Hollywood, TV, movies, music, sports, then to science,

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Speaker 1: and the last chapter in the book focuses on China.

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01:24:55,760 --> 01:24:59,280
Speaker 1: And I described China as a central nexus that is

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01:24:59,360 --> 01:25:02,439
Speaker 1: intertwined with all of them. And what the book does

1640
01:25:02,520 --> 01:25:04,800
Speaker 1: is really two things. Number One, it explains how and

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01:25:04,840 --> 01:25:09,519
Speaker 1: why these major institutions in America got captured by the

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01:25:09,600 --> 01:25:13,720
Speaker 1: radical left. But then, even more importantly, it lays out

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01:25:13,760 --> 01:25:18,240
Speaker 1: a positive, proactive battle plan for how we take these

1644
01:25:18,280 --> 01:25:20,240
Speaker 1: institutions back, because I think if we don't take the

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01:25:20,280 --> 01:25:22,719
Speaker 1: institutions back, we're going to lose our country.

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Speaker 6: The taking of these institutions back, though sometimes seems to

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01:25:26,840 --> 01:25:31,599
Speaker 6: people like reverse cancel culture. Like my former colleague Glenn

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01:25:31,640 --> 01:25:34,639
Speaker 6: Greenwald has been a you know, kind of a has

1649
01:25:34,680 --> 01:25:38,000
Speaker 6: become this kind of big supporter of the rights, free

1650
01:25:38,040 --> 01:25:40,639
Speaker 6: speech kind of advocacy over the last several years.

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Speaker 3: And I'm sure you've seen him.

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Speaker 6: Recently, he's been extremely disappointed with the way that the

1653
01:25:44,800 --> 01:25:48,880
Speaker 6: right has responded to the Israel Palestine fine catastrophe. He wrote,

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01:25:48,880 --> 01:25:52,479
Speaker 6: for instance, conservatives pushing this safety rhetoric which isn't due

1655
01:25:52,479 --> 01:25:55,799
Speaker 6: to violence, but words should either apologize to the minority

1656
01:25:55,840 --> 01:25:58,519
Speaker 6: groups they mocked all these years, or realize they're suddenly

1657
01:25:58,960 --> 01:26:02,360
Speaker 6: endorsing such flamed victim narratives because a group they like

1658
01:26:02,560 --> 01:26:05,880
Speaker 6: is claiming it. So why hasn't there been more kind

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01:26:05,880 --> 01:26:11,360
Speaker 6: of public support for free speech in the last six weeks?

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01:26:12,160 --> 01:26:15,160
Speaker 1: So look, I think free speech is the right approach,

1661
01:26:15,200 --> 01:26:17,760
Speaker 1: and I support free speech for everyone. I support it

1662
01:26:17,840 --> 01:26:21,320
Speaker 1: for radicals, I supported for leftists who hate me. I

1663
01:26:21,400 --> 01:26:24,559
Speaker 1: support free speech for Hamas. Now I also support killing

1664
01:26:24,640 --> 01:26:27,040
Speaker 1: the terrorists so they can have free speech while they're

1665
01:26:27,080 --> 01:26:31,760
Speaker 1: in the grave. But if you engage in acts of terrorism,

1666
01:26:32,560 --> 01:26:36,880
Speaker 1: I emphatically support Israel's right to defend itself at a

1667
01:26:36,920 --> 01:26:39,680
Speaker 1: stated objective is they're going to eliminate Hamas. But when

1668
01:26:39,680 --> 01:26:44,720
Speaker 1: it comes to the US, actually, what's happening in universities

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01:26:44,720 --> 01:26:48,080
Speaker 1: in particular is a powerful illustration of what I explain

1670
01:26:48,200 --> 01:26:51,880
Speaker 1: in this book. It is cultural Marxism and you know,

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Speaker 1: I've had lots of conversations in the last two months

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01:26:54,800 --> 01:27:02,000
Speaker 1: actually with with Just several weeks ago, I was talking

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01:27:02,080 --> 01:27:06,360
Speaker 1: with a very successful Silicon Valley entrepreneur who's a man

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01:27:06,400 --> 01:27:09,080
Speaker 1: of the left. He's been a democratic whole life, and

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01:27:09,160 --> 01:27:13,559
Speaker 1: he was expressing complete bewilderment. Where is all of this

1676
01:27:13,760 --> 01:27:17,160
Speaker 1: vicious anti semitism on the left coming from, whether it's

1677
01:27:17,160 --> 01:27:20,599
Speaker 1: in the squad in Congress, or whether it's on college campuses.

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01:27:20,600 --> 01:27:24,400
Speaker 1: And I explained, I said, look if you look at

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01:27:24,560 --> 01:27:29,760
Speaker 1: and the book on Woke explains this. Marxist started out

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01:27:29,760 --> 01:27:32,200
Speaker 1: with Karl Marx writing the Communist Manifesto, and he had

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01:27:32,200 --> 01:27:35,400
Speaker 1: a worldview that the world is in constant conflict, and

1682
01:27:35,400 --> 01:27:39,760
Speaker 1: it is in constant conflict between oppressors and victims. And

1683
01:27:39,960 --> 01:27:43,680
Speaker 1: Marx viewed things in a socioeconomic lens, and so the

1684
01:27:43,720 --> 01:27:47,840
Speaker 1: oppressors for Marx were the owners of capital, and the

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01:27:47,920 --> 01:27:50,600
Speaker 1: victims were the proletariat, the working men and women. And

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01:27:50,640 --> 01:27:54,240
Speaker 1: in the solution that Marx advocated for was the violent

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01:27:54,360 --> 01:27:58,040
Speaker 1: revolution of the proletariat of the victims to overthrow the

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01:27:58,040 --> 01:28:02,280
Speaker 1: oppressors and use government to force redistribute the wealth. Now,

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Speaker 1: what I described in the book is how Marxists, starting

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01:28:05,120 --> 01:28:10,200
Speaker 1: the nineteen sixties began infiltrating the universities and becoming tenured professors,

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01:28:10,200 --> 01:28:15,719
Speaker 1: becoming administrators, and from there we saw Marxism begin to mutate.

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01:28:15,760 --> 01:28:19,760
Speaker 1: It started off just plain vanilla Marxists, then it mutated

1693
01:28:19,840 --> 01:28:24,000
Speaker 1: on other axes. So you had, for example, the same

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01:28:24,200 --> 01:28:28,400
Speaker 1: frame of a press or victim, but they shifted it

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01:28:28,439 --> 01:28:31,000
Speaker 1: to race. And that's where critical race theory came from.

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01:28:31,080 --> 01:28:35,080
Speaker 1: Same idea constant battle, but based on races. They shifted

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01:28:35,080 --> 01:28:38,320
Speaker 1: it to gender and sexual orientation and gender identity. That's

1698
01:28:38,320 --> 01:28:41,439
Speaker 1: where things like queer theory came from. And what I

1699
01:28:41,479 --> 01:28:44,000
Speaker 1: explained to this fella I was talking to is I said, look,

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01:28:45,840 --> 01:28:50,080
Speaker 1: what is happening is very simple. For the radical left,

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01:28:50,600 --> 01:28:57,360
Speaker 1: they have coded Jews as oppresser's and they have coded

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01:28:57,479 --> 01:29:05,240
Speaker 1: Palestinians as victim, and therefore, for cultural Marxists, they support

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01:29:05,680 --> 01:29:10,439
Speaker 1: the violent revolution of the so called victims against the

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01:29:10,479 --> 01:29:13,760
Speaker 1: so called oppressors. It is part of what's been indoctrine.

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01:29:13,800 --> 01:29:16,519
Speaker 1: And you look at universities at these leftists who are

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01:29:16,640 --> 01:29:21,280
Speaker 1: radically protesting in support of terrorists who are committing atrocities

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01:29:21,280 --> 01:29:25,640
Speaker 1: that are unspeakable. That is a manifestation of the sickness

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01:29:25,640 --> 01:29:27,080
Speaker 1: that has taken over our institutions.

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Speaker 6: Do you distinguish between opposition to Zionism and anti Semitism

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01:29:31,600 --> 01:29:33,559
Speaker 6: or do you believe that those are the I think.

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Speaker 1: I think anti Zionism is anti Semitism.

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Speaker 6: What do you I mean, what do you say to

1713
01:29:38,800 --> 01:29:41,559
Speaker 6: so many different Jewish groups who are who are who

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01:29:41,600 --> 01:29:44,040
Speaker 6: say that anti they are anti Zionists.

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01:29:44,400 --> 01:29:48,920
Speaker 1: So the ones that are our radical leftist organizations that look,

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01:29:49,640 --> 01:29:54,519
Speaker 1: there are fifty some odd Muslim nations on the face

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01:29:54,560 --> 01:29:57,599
Speaker 1: of the planet, there's one Jewish nation in the state

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01:29:57,640 --> 01:30:01,479
Speaker 1: of Israel. The modern state of Israel was formed coming

1719
01:30:01,520 --> 01:30:03,360
Speaker 1: out of World War II, coming out of the wake

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01:30:04,000 --> 01:30:08,000
Speaker 1: of the Holocaust, and it was formed on the premise

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01:30:08,120 --> 01:30:10,760
Speaker 1: that never again means never again, that we would not

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01:30:10,920 --> 01:30:16,160
Speaker 1: allow six million Jews to be exterminated by genocidal, racist maniacs.

1723
01:30:17,880 --> 01:30:20,520
Speaker 1: I think the Jewish people deserve to have a homeland

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01:30:21,120 --> 01:30:26,280
Speaker 1: that is theirs. Israel was historically a Jewish nation, going

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01:30:26,320 --> 01:30:29,120
Speaker 1: back thousands of years. I've walked in the city of David,

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01:30:29,160 --> 01:30:32,120
Speaker 1: I've walked on the streets where Jesus walked down the streets,

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01:30:32,560 --> 01:30:39,760
Speaker 1: and anti Zionists look when you see leftists chanting from

1728
01:30:39,800 --> 01:30:42,880
Speaker 1: the river to the sea, that means from the Jordan

1729
01:30:43,000 --> 01:30:45,559
Speaker 1: River to the sea. It literally means obliterate the modern

1730
01:30:45,600 --> 01:30:47,960
Speaker 1: state of Israel because they hate Israel and they want

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01:30:48,000 --> 01:30:50,840
Speaker 1: to eliminate the only Jewish nation in the world that

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01:30:50,960 --> 01:30:53,720
Speaker 1: is racist and genocidal. Now, you asked earlier, would I

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01:30:53,800 --> 01:30:57,080
Speaker 1: ban that statement. No, I'd allow people to say it.

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Speaker 1: You know, members of the squad have tweeted out from

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Speaker 1: the river to the sea. But the answer, I'd allow

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Speaker 1: him to say it, but I wouldn't sit there quietly.

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Speaker 1: I'd point out that you were calling for once again

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Speaker 1: the extermination of millions.

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Speaker 6: Of Jews, as I'm sure you know though in Lekun's

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01:31:12,560 --> 01:31:14,960
Speaker 6: platform it says, you know, from the river to the sea,

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Speaker 6: there will only be Israeli sovereignty. Are they suggesting genocide

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Speaker 6: of all Palestinians?

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Speaker 3: Of course not exactly.

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Speaker 6: So if they're If they're not, why is the other

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01:31:23,960 --> 01:31:25,480
Speaker 6: suggesting genocide?

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01:31:25,880 --> 01:31:30,519
Speaker 1: Because that's what Hamas supports. You know, I started yesterday morning.

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Speaker 3: That's just restating it.

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Speaker 1: Like about hold on, let me say yesterday morning, I

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01:31:35,560 --> 01:31:39,439
Speaker 1: started the day by watching a forty six minute video

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Speaker 1: of the actual atrocities that Hamas committed, and about fifty

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01:31:46,280 --> 01:31:48,960
Speaker 1: senators watched it. You know, as you guys know, I

1752
01:31:49,000 --> 01:31:51,400
Speaker 1: do a podcast every week. It's called Verdict with Ted Cruz.

1753
01:31:51,439 --> 01:31:54,240
Speaker 1: I do it Monday, Wednesday and Friday. Today's podcast is

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01:31:54,280 --> 01:31:59,240
Speaker 1: all about that video, because yesterday morning and right about

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01:31:59,240 --> 01:32:01,799
Speaker 1: this time, I sat in a room and I watched

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Speaker 1: one hundred and thirty seven people murdered. And most of

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Speaker 1: the footage was taken from body cams or cell phones

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01:32:08,720 --> 01:32:12,720
Speaker 1: that the Hamas terrorists were carrying, and they were gleefully

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01:32:12,920 --> 01:32:16,799
Speaker 1: murdering civilians. They were murdering women, that were murdering children,

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Speaker 1: and look, Hamas. I got to say, the most disconcerting

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Speaker 1: thing I've I turned fifty three in December. In fifty

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Speaker 1: three years of life on this planet, I've never had

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Speaker 1: a day where I watched one hundred and thirty seven

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Speaker 1: people be murdered. That's what I did yesterday. And when

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Speaker 1: you watch people, the most disturbing thing was the joy,

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Speaker 1: the glee from these terrorists. I'll tell you there was

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Speaker 1: a moment on the video where one of the Hamas

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Speaker 1: terrorists called his parents and the Israelis.

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Speaker 3: Intercepted the k and we've heard of this one.

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Speaker 1: And he calls his dad first of all, and he's says, Dad,

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Speaker 1: I killed ten of them with my bare hands. And

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Speaker 1: he's like so proud, and he's celebrating ten I killed ten,

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Speaker 1: And he said, I want to talk to mom. Can

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Speaker 1: I talk to mom?

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Speaker 4: Yeah?

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01:33:10,920 --> 01:33:12,920
Speaker 1: And his mom gets on and he says, I killed

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Speaker 1: ten Jews. I murdered them with my bare hands, and

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01:33:16,760 --> 01:33:23,880
Speaker 1: she begins crying with joy the twisted hate. Can you

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01:33:23,960 --> 01:33:27,439
Speaker 1: imagine calling your mother in celebration that you just murdered

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Speaker 1: ten people and you're no proud of it and your

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01:33:30,520 --> 01:33:31,960
Speaker 1: mother is proud of you for doing it.

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Speaker 6: And I know Emily wants to get a question, but

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Speaker 6: on this point real briefing, whenever we've had critics of Israelan,

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Speaker 6: we've kind of insisted that they condemned that, because while

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01:33:40,640 --> 01:33:43,360
Speaker 6: we disagree with a lot on the show, we also

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Speaker 6: try to find kind of moral common ground and we

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Speaker 6: can all agree that those types of atrocities need to

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Speaker 6: be fully condemned. And with that in mind, we're going

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Speaker 6: to read to you a couple of things that we've

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Speaker 6: been hearing from the Israeli government. We've had Defense Minister Galant.

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Speaker 6: We will eliminate everything, an IDF spokesperson. Our focus is

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Speaker 6: on damage, not on precision. Agriculture Minister Avi Dikt. We

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Speaker 6: are now rolling out the Gaza Nakba Gaza Nakba twenty

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Speaker 6: twenty three.

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Speaker 3: That's how it'll end.

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Speaker 6: Israeli Heritage Minister I'mahailai, who said a nuclear bomb is

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Speaker 6: quote one of the possibilities. A Finance minister Bezil Smochrich.

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Speaker 6: We need sterile zones in the West Bank. Israeli President

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Speaker 6: Isaac Herzog. It's an entire nation out there that is responsible.

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Speaker 6: This rhetoric about civilians not aware, not involved, it's absolutely

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Speaker 6: not true. They could have risen up, they could have

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Speaker 6: fought against that evil regime. Another former Kannestant member, there

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Speaker 6: is one and only solution, which is to completely destroy

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Speaker 6: Gaza before invading it. I mean destruction like what happened

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Speaker 6: in Dresden and Hiroshima without nuclear weapons.

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Speaker 3: Would you join us in condemning that as well.

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Speaker 1: So I condemn nothing that the Israeli government is doing.

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01:34:54,960 --> 01:34:56,760
Speaker 1: I stand with the people of Israel. And let me

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Speaker 1: explain there is a qualitative difference. The Israeli government does

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Speaker 1: not target civilians. They target military targets. The Israeli government

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Speaker 1: has stated they're targeting.

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Speaker 6: Then if they're so, they're actually not that they are,

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Speaker 6: then they are targeting.

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Speaker 1: No, they're exceptionally good at so. So for example, a

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Speaker 1: couple of weeks ago, we had stories all over the

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Speaker 1: world that Israel bombed a hospital in Gosen, killed five

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Speaker 1: hundred Palestinians. Now it turns out that was a blatant lie.

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Speaker 1: It was Hamas propaganda and if you break down literally

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01:35:29,320 --> 01:35:31,960
Speaker 1: every element of the story was a lie. So number one,

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Speaker 1: Israel doesn't target hospitals Israeli.

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Speaker 3: Why has so many hospitals been targeted.

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Speaker 1: Because they haven't, because it's fault. Let's actually look at

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Speaker 1: the facts. So Israel uses precision, precision guided munitions, they

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Speaker 1: don't target hospitals. What ended up we discovered was the

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Speaker 1: case it was the hospital. It was not an Israeli

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Speaker 1: missile that took it out. It was a rocket from

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Speaker 1: it actually wasn't as it was Palestinian Islamic Jahad. And

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Speaker 1: you got to understand the terror rist in Gaza. They

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Speaker 1: fire thousands of rockets. They have no guidance systems on them,

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Speaker 1: so they literally put rockets. The rockets have some propulsion,

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Speaker 1: They have an explosive they have typically ball bearings or

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Speaker 1: nails or something designed to kill as many people as possible,

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Speaker 1: and they fire them in the general direction of Israel,

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Speaker 1: but they can't steer them once they fire them, and

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01:36:18,280 --> 01:36:21,600
Speaker 1: about twenty percent of them end up hitting Gaza. So

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01:36:21,640 --> 01:36:24,519
Speaker 1: it's the terrorists that are actually bombing Gaza. So it

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Speaker 1: was it was a terrorist missile that hit. But number one,

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Speaker 1: it wasn't from Israel. Number two, it didn't hit the hospital,

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01:36:30,200 --> 01:36:32,880
Speaker 1: hit the parking lot. Number three, five hundred people were

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Speaker 1: not killed. All of that was a lie. And yet

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01:36:35,720 --> 01:36:37,479
Speaker 1: what happened and I talk about this in the book,

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01:36:38,080 --> 01:36:42,760
Speaker 1: but that's journalism. But look, so I can tell you

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Speaker 1: there is no military on the face of the planet,

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Speaker 1: including the US military, that goes to the lengths that

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01:36:49,560 --> 01:36:52,720
Speaker 1: the Israeli military does to avoid civilian cagety. So I'll

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Speaker 1: give you.

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Speaker 6: But the IDF said, our focus is on damage, not

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Speaker 6: on presistent.

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01:36:55,840 --> 01:36:59,160
Speaker 1: Weeks damage to hamas to terrorists.

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Speaker 6: And I they have said, they keep saying that what

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01:37:03,720 --> 01:37:05,439
Speaker 6: they're doing is what they're intending to do and here

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01:37:05,439 --> 01:37:06,960
Speaker 6: in the United States, but.

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Speaker 1: That's simply not true. They are targeting the jar no,

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01:37:12,160 --> 01:37:14,880
Speaker 1: My focus is on damage, good damage Hamas. I want

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Speaker 1: to utterly eliminate Hamas. And I'll tell you something Israel does.

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01:37:17,720 --> 01:37:22,400
Speaker 1: For example, so why are their Palestinian civilian casualties? The

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01:37:22,479 --> 01:37:29,200
Speaker 1: reason is because Hamas uses human shields. Hamas wants Palestinians killed.

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01:37:29,479 --> 01:37:31,519
Speaker 1: Look you look at the Hamas headquarters. It's in the

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Speaker 1: basement of a hospital. They put it in the basement

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Speaker 1: of a hospital.

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Speaker 3: Why but they didn't find it there.

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Speaker 1: They put it there because they want Palestinian mothers, children killed.

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01:37:43,520 --> 01:37:47,960
Speaker 1: They put missiles in kindergartens. And the reason is it's

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Speaker 1: part of my podcast. I did an entire podcast that

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01:37:50,400 --> 01:37:55,760
Speaker 1: I that was entitled CNN is Hamas's Air Force, So

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01:37:55,960 --> 01:37:58,719
Speaker 1: is MSNBC, so is ABC, And I went through about

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Speaker 1: a dozen stories where the corporate media just repeated Hamas

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Speaker 1: propaganda and look, Hamas is not strong enough to defeat Israel,

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Speaker 1: but they're counting on the useful idiots in the media

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Speaker 1: amplifying their messages. So I'll tell you something that the

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01:38:14,360 --> 01:38:17,280
Speaker 1: IDF does. So, for example, if there's a building that

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Speaker 1: they know they're Hamas terras in, they will drop initially

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Speaker 1: what are called dud bombs, they'll drop a bomb on

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Speaker 1: the top of that. They've done this in previous work

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Speaker 1: that doesn't have an explosive and the dud bomb will

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01:38:28,720 --> 01:38:31,400
Speaker 1: thud on the roof, and they do it to tell

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Speaker 1: the civilians get out. They also, by the way, they

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Speaker 1: have every cell phone in Gaza, so they will text

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Speaker 1: civilians lead. By the way, when Palestinian civilians try to leave,

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Speaker 1: Hamas keeps them there. They want Palestinians to die because

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01:38:45,960 --> 01:38:49,120
Speaker 1: it is useful for propaganda. There's no military, by the way,

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01:38:49,120 --> 01:38:52,120
Speaker 1: the US military, when we're attacking our enemies, we don't

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01:38:52,200 --> 01:38:55,479
Speaker 1: drop dud bombs telling people to evacuated. It is only

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Speaker 1: the IDF that does that.

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Speaker 5: And so on that note, Because we have to wrap

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Speaker 5: a hot conflict now in the Middle East again, is

1887
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Speaker 5: it time to endorse Donald Trump?

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Speaker 4: Negotiator of the Abraham Courts.

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Speaker 1: Look, I will say, President Trump, we had peace in

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Speaker 1: the Middle East, and Joe Biden inherited peace and prosperity,

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Speaker 1: and he utterly screwed it up. We went from peace

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Speaker 1: and prosperity. We now have two wars. We have the

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Speaker 1: biggest war in Europe since World War Two. We have

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Speaker 1: the worst war in the Middle East. In over fifty years.

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Speaker 1: And it's because having a weak and ineffective commander in

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01:39:27,040 --> 01:39:31,360
Speaker 1: chief is a train wreck. It doesn't work. And so listen,

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01:39:31,360 --> 01:39:33,879
Speaker 1: we're wrapping up. But I do want to encourage your viewers.

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Speaker 1: The book is designed to number one. It's interesting and fun,

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Speaker 1: it's filled with stories. It's not some abstract academic work.

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Speaker 1: It's an interesting read. I want to encourage folks right

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Speaker 1: now today. Pull out your phone, go online, go to Amazon,

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Speaker 1: go to Barnes and Noble, to go, go to Books

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Speaker 1: a million, buy the book. And I'll say this, Look,

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Speaker 1: Christmas time is coming, so I'm going to coourage you

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01:40:00,439 --> 01:40:02,800
Speaker 1: buy more than one and and and in particular, it

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Speaker 1: makes a great Christmas present. Look look, I mean literally,

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Speaker 1: buy one for your mom, buy one for your best friend,

1908
01:40:10,160 --> 01:40:12,479
Speaker 1: buy one for your crazy left wing neighbor.

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01:40:12,680 --> 01:40:14,679
Speaker 3: Cultural Marxism will triumph if we don't.

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Speaker 1: That's exactly right, And don't let Ryan win. And let

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Speaker 1: me give you one one more example, which is buy

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Speaker 1: one for your kids or your grandkids, because they need

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Speaker 1: to understand the poison that that they're being indoctrinated for.

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Speaker 1: And I wrote this book. I wrote this book for

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Speaker 1: the same reason I do the podcast that we've got

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Speaker 1: to engage in the battle of ideas, we've got to

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Speaker 1: engage in substance and and and this book is designed

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Speaker 1: to empower you to fight back, to take these institutions back.

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Speaker 5: Senator Ted Cruz, Republican of Texas, thank you so much.

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Speaker 3: Told you have to wrap. Welcome to come back again.

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Speaker 3: I look forward to that.

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Speaker 4: Thanks so much.

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Speaker 3: All right, that was Senator Ted Cruz.

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Speaker 6: And the book is this Squad AOC and the Hope

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01:40:55,000 --> 01:40:58,200
Speaker 6: of a Political Revolution both that's actually it's actually my

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Speaker 6: book which is out next week.

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Speaker 4: Yes, consummate sales, but.

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Speaker 3: It's right, he's on here to move those books.

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Speaker 6: But if you buy mine instead, we can knock him

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Speaker 6: off the best seller list.

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Speaker 3: Wouldn't that be fun?

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Speaker 5: That was one of the conversations that I have been

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Speaker 5: waiting for. So we had this interview schedule for a

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Speaker 5: couple of weeks ago. We had to cancel his book tour.

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Speaker 5: The book tours are crazy, which you know obviously you've

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Speaker 5: done it before. But that was actually one of the

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Speaker 5: best I think clashes of both sides that I have

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Speaker 5: seen in public debate throughout this entire uh, this entire conflict.

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Speaker 5: And he was on a really tight schedule, so you know,

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Speaker 5: it was it was sort of we were navigating that

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Speaker 5: this shortened timeline. But at the same time, Brian I

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Speaker 5: was content. Honestly, we had a lot of questions for him.

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Speaker 5: I was actually content to listen.

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Speaker 4: To your back and forth. I thought that was actually

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Speaker 4: very helpful.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I didn't didn't mean the bigfoot it, but he

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Speaker 6: just throws out so much different stuff, and we were

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Speaker 6: being told he had to run. If people are like,

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Speaker 6: why need you, you know, respond to every single thing,

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Speaker 6: he said, that's.

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Speaker 4: Why, because we could do an hour with him music.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and hopefully he'll come back for longer.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, we appreciate him being here.

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Speaker 6: We certainly what did you make of a he said,

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Speaker 6: there is absolutely nothing Israel could do that he would condemn.

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Speaker 5: I think when you read and the damage precision thing, again,

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Speaker 5: it was a great question because that's not saying damage

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Speaker 5: hamas precision, because if you were saying precision too, you

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Speaker 5: would be seeing precision in reference to hamas.

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Speaker 4: So that doesn't make sense to me.

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Speaker 5: I think those questions, I think those points are extremely problematic.

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Speaker 4: I do think it's unhelpful.

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Speaker 5: As we talked about Thomas Massey, Republican from Kentucky saying

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Speaker 5: earlier today to complaint anti conflaint, anti Zionism, and anti Semitism.

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Speaker 4: So yeah, I mean I.

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Speaker 5: Thought that was like a very useful At the same time,

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Speaker 5: I mean, I think condemning Hamas and demanding Hamas release

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Speaker 5: the hostages unconditionally is entirely recent.

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Speaker 3: Sure do it, Yeah, release the hostages.

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Speaker 5: By the way, we just appreciate everyone who subscribes. If

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Speaker 5: you subscribe to the premium version of Breaking Points, you

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Speaker 5: get this whole show early. You get the video totally uncut,

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Speaker 5: and you know we don't just get the clips, you

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Speaker 5: get the whole full show, so outros just like this one.

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Speaker 5: But you also help make interviews like the one that

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Speaker 5: we just did possible. Having some of the most powerful

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Speaker 5: senators sit down for interviews with new media just a

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Speaker 5: really important thing. And we appreciate all of your support

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Speaker 5: so much.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 6: And his book was called Unwoke, something about cultural Marxism,

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Speaker 6: and you heard him perfect holiday present.

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Speaker 5: Present, but not as perfect right as a squad out

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Speaker 5: on December fifth.

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Speaker 3: That's right, get it.

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Speaker 4: Do it so many times. I can do it.

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Speaker 3: That's what it's coming out. See you guys.

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Speaker 6: I actually will be out of studio because I'll be

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Speaker 6: in Los Angeles next week, so i'll be remote for

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Speaker 6: the show next week, but I will see you guys

1991
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Speaker 6: from there. I'll actually be out at Hassan Piker's for

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Speaker 6: his stream, so be sure to tune in for that.

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Speaker 6: I'm sure that's going to be a lot of fun.

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Speaker 4: Do you even know how to play video games?

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Speaker 6: I mean I did in the nineties. There you go,

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Speaker 6: all right, I still play like Mario Kart.

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Speaker 4: We'll find out. Tune in next week.