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Uh Like I said, they were doing something 19 00:00:59,280 --> 00:01:03,200 Speaker 1: he was then was doing something to my lower back uh, 20 00:01:03,320 --> 00:01:07,440 Speaker 1: and and the pain was incredible. I was screaming, as 21 00:01:07,440 --> 00:01:10,320 Speaker 1: I said, and filled my lungs were there nothing would 22 00:01:10,319 --> 00:01:13,240 Speaker 1: come out. And this thing looked me in the eye 23 00:01:13,920 --> 00:01:17,440 Speaker 1: and I heard inside my head clear any audible voice. 24 00:01:19,240 --> 00:01:22,560 Speaker 1: I think I annoyed it. And he said, you know, 25 00:01:22,680 --> 00:01:24,680 Speaker 1: we don't hurt you, and we take you back. Why 26 00:01:24,680 --> 00:01:28,039 Speaker 1: do you scream? And he tapped me on the head 27 00:01:29,200 --> 00:01:31,319 Speaker 1: and then I was unconscious that then it's it's a 28 00:01:31,319 --> 00:01:34,920 Speaker 1: blank from there. Now. You had experiences as a child 29 00:01:34,959 --> 00:01:39,000 Speaker 1: as well, didn't you. You know, I had to, Um, 30 00:01:39,040 --> 00:01:41,120 Speaker 1: But I think I had much more experiences than I 31 00:01:41,120 --> 00:01:43,959 Speaker 1: than I remember. When I was eight, I saw your 32 00:01:43,959 --> 00:01:51,840 Speaker 1: phone in my backyard, um, just hovering over me. Uh. 33 00:01:52,080 --> 00:01:55,640 Speaker 1: And then when I was eleven, I woke up in 34 00:01:55,680 --> 00:01:58,320 Speaker 1: the middle of the night to these crazy lights coming 35 00:01:58,360 --> 00:02:03,360 Speaker 1: in my window, a second story window. I got up 36 00:02:03,360 --> 00:02:06,360 Speaker 1: and I went to the window to look out, and 37 00:02:06,400 --> 00:02:09,520 Speaker 1: I pulled the drapes back and I there was the 38 00:02:09,560 --> 00:02:11,240 Speaker 1: top of the I could see the things from the 39 00:02:11,280 --> 00:02:15,800 Speaker 1: top side. It looked like the same same thing I saw, 40 00:02:15,919 --> 00:02:18,799 Speaker 1: you know when I was eight. I was eleven at 41 00:02:18,840 --> 00:02:22,680 Speaker 1: that time. UM, so yeah, I had I had. I 42 00:02:22,720 --> 00:02:26,200 Speaker 1: had those two experiences. But I think that you know, 43 00:02:26,639 --> 00:02:30,000 Speaker 1: memories are conn BacT that I actually had more experiences 44 00:02:30,000 --> 00:02:33,120 Speaker 1: than that than what I can recall. Terry, are you 45 00:02:33,160 --> 00:02:37,280 Speaker 1: at a point now where you could say, without any 46 00:02:37,320 --> 00:02:41,079 Speaker 1: doubts why this happened to you and what they did 47 00:02:41,120 --> 00:02:47,760 Speaker 1: with you? I don't have the slightest idea, all right, 48 00:02:47,800 --> 00:02:50,000 Speaker 1: you know I've wondered that all my life. Why me? 49 00:02:51,000 --> 00:02:54,360 Speaker 1: You know, why? Why why pick on me? You know, 50 00:02:54,400 --> 00:02:58,800 Speaker 1: I certainly don't feel special, So no, I don't have 51 00:02:58,840 --> 00:03:01,919 Speaker 1: a clue. Do you remember if your parents ever talked 52 00:03:01,960 --> 00:03:04,640 Speaker 1: about anything weird or unusual that might have happened to 53 00:03:04,680 --> 00:03:09,880 Speaker 1: them too, They avoided the topic. Uh. But I had 54 00:03:09,960 --> 00:03:14,640 Speaker 1: a grandfather who told me that she was in the 55 00:03:14,680 --> 00:03:18,200 Speaker 1: field one day working. He was a farmer, and he saw, 56 00:03:18,360 --> 00:03:23,520 Speaker 1: quote a big ball thing. And that's the only story 57 00:03:23,560 --> 00:03:25,600 Speaker 1: I've heard in the family, and that's about all I 58 00:03:25,639 --> 00:03:27,840 Speaker 1: can remember. I was pretty young when he told the story, 59 00:03:29,400 --> 00:03:32,000 Speaker 1: but that's it. I understand these things for ar familio, 60 00:03:32,080 --> 00:03:36,760 Speaker 1: that though they follow bloodlines, you know. And I worried 61 00:03:36,800 --> 00:03:40,680 Speaker 1: from my grand my grandson who's fascinated with owls all 62 00:03:40,680 --> 00:03:45,880 Speaker 1: of a sudden, So when you were released from the craft, 63 00:03:46,360 --> 00:03:49,040 Speaker 1: how did they get you down. Did they float you down? 64 00:03:49,160 --> 00:03:52,400 Speaker 1: Did you teleport? How did they do that? That's the 65 00:03:52,480 --> 00:03:57,880 Speaker 1: teleported us. But when when they dropped us, I recall 66 00:03:58,000 --> 00:04:01,600 Speaker 1: feeling like I was dropped, but we were. We were 67 00:04:01,640 --> 00:04:03,600 Speaker 1: next to my car. We weren't in the tent where 68 00:04:03,600 --> 00:04:06,800 Speaker 1: they took us from, and the car was fifty ft 69 00:04:06,800 --> 00:04:11,160 Speaker 1: away from the tent. And I was just barely conscious. 70 00:04:11,200 --> 00:04:14,520 Speaker 1: But I would call these the four little guys came 71 00:04:14,760 --> 00:04:16,520 Speaker 1: and two of them took me and two of them 72 00:04:16,560 --> 00:04:21,440 Speaker 1: took Tobias, and they just kind of man handled us 73 00:04:21,480 --> 00:04:26,000 Speaker 1: back into the tent uh and and dropped us. Do 74 00:04:26,120 --> 00:04:32,040 Speaker 1: you recollect Torry the craft taking off leaving that. That's 75 00:04:32,560 --> 00:04:35,000 Speaker 1: That's one very clear memory I have, because we were 76 00:04:35,040 --> 00:04:38,960 Speaker 1: both awake and conscious. I I when I came to, 77 00:04:39,400 --> 00:04:42,320 Speaker 1: I was, I was. I didn't have my wits about me. 78 00:04:42,360 --> 00:04:46,039 Speaker 1: I was, you know, Roggy. And I could see these 79 00:04:46,120 --> 00:04:49,920 Speaker 1: lights shining through the canvas at the tent, I mean, 80 00:04:50,040 --> 00:04:53,320 Speaker 1: let the thing up like a ballpark at night, and 81 00:04:53,360 --> 00:04:55,960 Speaker 1: the buddy Tobias to the west of me, and these 82 00:04:55,960 --> 00:04:58,400 Speaker 1: slashes of light, I can see he's crying, He's got 83 00:04:58,400 --> 00:05:02,599 Speaker 1: tears running down space and I'm thinking park rangers were 84 00:05:02,640 --> 00:05:05,960 Speaker 1: in by what's going on, and he's captivated by something 85 00:05:05,960 --> 00:05:09,400 Speaker 1: outside the tent, and I pulled the flat back and 86 00:05:09,440 --> 00:05:11,640 Speaker 1: that's that's when I saw that this thing that was 87 00:05:12,560 --> 00:05:15,760 Speaker 1: thousand feet in the year the night before and we 88 00:05:15,760 --> 00:05:19,839 Speaker 1: were so apathetic about, had descended to this field that 89 00:05:19,960 --> 00:05:22,040 Speaker 1: was in front of us open I called the metal 90 00:05:22,839 --> 00:05:24,520 Speaker 1: and I think it was about thirty ft over the 91 00:05:25,480 --> 00:05:29,440 Speaker 1: over the over the floor of the metal and it 92 00:05:29,520 --> 00:05:35,279 Speaker 1: was absolutely enormous, absolutely incredibly large. How how how close 93 00:05:35,400 --> 00:05:38,080 Speaker 1: is the craft from the picture on the cover of 94 00:05:38,200 --> 00:05:45,560 Speaker 1: Incident at doubles down? You know it's the round the 95 00:05:45,680 --> 00:05:48,880 Speaker 1: round little dots on each apex, each point of the 96 00:05:48,920 --> 00:05:53,159 Speaker 1: triangle really are kind of incorrect because what it was 97 00:05:53,160 --> 00:05:56,320 Speaker 1: was it wasn't a round, circular light. It was a 98 00:05:56,360 --> 00:05:59,240 Speaker 1: triangular shape. It was a little bit sharper than the 99 00:05:59,320 --> 00:06:01,760 Speaker 1: image on the uh on the cover of the book. 100 00:06:02,440 --> 00:06:07,080 Speaker 1: And like I say, these were light bars that were 101 00:06:07,320 --> 00:06:10,359 Speaker 1: the whole length of the thing. They ran from the 102 00:06:10,360 --> 00:06:12,839 Speaker 1: top to the very from the bottom to the very top, 103 00:06:13,640 --> 00:06:17,960 Speaker 1: and the lights would run up and down this UH 104 00:06:18,600 --> 00:06:22,120 Speaker 1: bar And when it lifted off, it hit me that's 105 00:06:23,200 --> 00:06:27,839 Speaker 1: they switched the lights from different colors, yellow and greens, 106 00:06:28,120 --> 00:06:32,479 Speaker 1: to pure white. And when there's lights run up and 107 00:06:32,520 --> 00:06:34,760 Speaker 1: down that bar up in the sky, it makes it twinkle. 108 00:06:34,880 --> 00:06:37,200 Speaker 1: It makes it look like a star. I think that's intentional. 109 00:06:38,600 --> 00:06:43,360 Speaker 1: And we watched this thing lift off. Um, there was 110 00:06:43,400 --> 00:06:46,760 Speaker 1: a hum, there was some noise, uh, and that stopped. 111 00:06:48,720 --> 00:06:51,599 Speaker 1: There were also some some little guys that that's a 112 00:06:51,640 --> 00:06:55,240 Speaker 1: longer story to get into. The thing lifted off like 113 00:06:55,279 --> 00:06:59,440 Speaker 1: a hot air blur, just slowly. Uh. It turned a 114 00:06:59,480 --> 00:07:03,960 Speaker 1: little bit and then just offend it straight up and 115 00:07:04,080 --> 00:07:06,760 Speaker 1: the I already got the faster it moved, and we 116 00:07:06,839 --> 00:07:12,200 Speaker 1: watched it until it was gone. It went until it 117 00:07:12,280 --> 00:07:17,520 Speaker 1: was out of sight, and it just kept going farther 118 00:07:17,640 --> 00:07:22,120 Speaker 1: and farther, Yes, and then disappeared. So it didn't like 119 00:07:22,600 --> 00:07:28,600 Speaker 1: blink off, No, not at all. It went straight up. 120 00:07:30,760 --> 00:07:33,480 Speaker 1: And never again have you seen this again or anything 121 00:07:33,520 --> 00:07:37,520 Speaker 1: like it. I never seen anything like that again. No, 122 00:07:38,560 --> 00:07:43,960 Speaker 1: how long do you think the episode lasted from the 123 00:07:44,000 --> 00:07:48,000 Speaker 1: moment you and Toby first saw it, I'm guessing three hours. 124 00:07:49,120 --> 00:07:52,840 Speaker 1: And I say that because we both wore in I 125 00:07:52,880 --> 00:07:57,240 Speaker 1: wore a mechanical watch, watch you wind. Both of our 126 00:07:57,320 --> 00:08:01,000 Speaker 1: watches were stopped. I wish I'd saved mine stopped at 127 00:08:01,000 --> 00:08:04,920 Speaker 1: tot Tobys was stopped at like two thirty five or something. 128 00:08:05,880 --> 00:08:08,480 Speaker 1: But both our watches had stopped and never worked again. 129 00:08:09,200 --> 00:08:13,800 Speaker 1: And I wish you would have kept that. I do too. 130 00:08:14,480 --> 00:08:17,920 Speaker 1: For a year after that, I had this odd allergy 131 00:08:18,000 --> 00:08:20,880 Speaker 1: to gold. Believe it or not, my doctor score it 132 00:08:21,000 --> 00:08:25,040 Speaker 1: was impossible, but my my wedding band and my chain 133 00:08:25,080 --> 00:08:30,320 Speaker 1: around my neck would cross redness cause uh he called 134 00:08:30,320 --> 00:08:33,640 Speaker 1: it dermatitis. H. But I had an alp when she 135 00:08:33,720 --> 00:08:37,079 Speaker 1: took gold that lasted for a year, um, and then 136 00:08:37,120 --> 00:08:42,040 Speaker 1: that was gone. At this point, what have you concluded 137 00:08:42,080 --> 00:08:47,240 Speaker 1: about what you think happened to you? Alien abduction experiment? 138 00:08:47,760 --> 00:08:56,160 Speaker 1: What do you think alien abduction? These were not human beings? Uh? 139 00:08:56,240 --> 00:09:01,240 Speaker 1: And this wasn't sleep paralysis, this wasn't uh uh. It 140 00:09:01,360 --> 00:09:04,160 Speaker 1: was the two of us seeing this. We both saw 141 00:09:04,240 --> 00:09:08,400 Speaker 1: the same thing. Curiously, when we got back to the base, 142 00:09:08,640 --> 00:09:12,520 Speaker 1: they separated us immediately. We would have no contact with 143 00:09:12,559 --> 00:09:15,960 Speaker 1: one another. And I had the most peculiar emotion on 144 00:09:16,000 --> 00:09:18,560 Speaker 1: the on the drive back, I could sense there was 145 00:09:18,600 --> 00:09:22,320 Speaker 1: something I didn't want anything to do with Toby. As 146 00:09:22,320 --> 00:09:25,040 Speaker 1: crazy as that sounds, really I didn't. I did not 147 00:09:25,160 --> 00:09:27,440 Speaker 1: want anything to do because did you ever hook up 148 00:09:27,480 --> 00:09:32,720 Speaker 1: with him again afterwards and talk about this. Tried. I tried. 149 00:09:32,800 --> 00:09:36,920 Speaker 1: He went to Japan and I found out later that 150 00:09:37,120 --> 00:09:42,000 Speaker 1: his um Toby started drinking. Toby was not a drinker. 151 00:09:43,000 --> 00:09:51,520 Speaker 1: This pushed him to drink. He literally drank himself to death. Yeah, 152 00:09:51,880 --> 00:09:59,000 Speaker 1: and you're saying he died. Oh yeah, wow. It would 153 00:09:59,000 --> 00:10:02,520 Speaker 1: have been great for you. He'd converse on this situation again. 154 00:10:03,080 --> 00:10:05,640 Speaker 1: What an opportunity loss. Oh my gosh. Let's tell me 155 00:10:05,640 --> 00:10:08,040 Speaker 1: a little bit more about these OSI agents from the 156 00:10:08,080 --> 00:10:11,319 Speaker 1: Ear Force. Um. You know, the first one was harassing 157 00:10:11,360 --> 00:10:14,840 Speaker 1: you about thinking that you took pictures. But wasn't there 158 00:10:14,920 --> 00:10:20,880 Speaker 1: more interrogation from others? There was? There was a second interrogation. 159 00:10:20,920 --> 00:10:23,719 Speaker 1: There was an interrogation when I was in the hospital room. 160 00:10:23,760 --> 00:10:28,440 Speaker 1: About six weeks later, I got a call from my 161 00:10:28,480 --> 00:10:30,920 Speaker 1: commanding officer. He said, the U s I sending a 162 00:10:31,000 --> 00:10:33,080 Speaker 1: car over for you. They want to talk to you. Now. 163 00:10:33,160 --> 00:10:35,680 Speaker 1: Let me ask you this first, had you gone public 164 00:10:35,760 --> 00:10:42,160 Speaker 1: within the base or the Ear Force about what had happened? Okay, 165 00:10:42,240 --> 00:10:46,720 Speaker 1: so so really nobody knew what was going on, yet 166 00:10:46,760 --> 00:10:51,080 Speaker 1: they still singled you out to interrogate you. They did, 167 00:10:51,360 --> 00:10:56,040 Speaker 1: and the reason for that was I'm sure, like when 168 00:10:56,040 --> 00:10:59,560 Speaker 1: that agent said, I know when you know, I think 169 00:10:59,559 --> 00:11:01,640 Speaker 1: they really believe that I had taken pictures of this 170 00:11:01,720 --> 00:11:03,720 Speaker 1: thing and I did not. I wish, God, I wish 171 00:11:03,760 --> 00:11:07,800 Speaker 1: I had. How close was Devil's Den from the Air 172 00:11:07,840 --> 00:11:11,720 Speaker 1: Force base? About six hours? Six hours out there? Okay, 173 00:11:11,760 --> 00:11:15,959 Speaker 1: So it's not as if it was near the base 174 00:11:16,000 --> 00:11:18,720 Speaker 1: and they were tracking it and they saw you as 175 00:11:18,760 --> 00:11:21,640 Speaker 1: a witness or anything like that. How do you think 176 00:11:21,720 --> 00:11:26,160 Speaker 1: they realized or knew that you saw something? How did 177 00:11:26,200 --> 00:11:29,079 Speaker 1: that happen? The only thing I can think of is 178 00:11:30,000 --> 00:11:36,560 Speaker 1: radar or maybe my injuries. Um, because nobody from the 179 00:11:36,640 --> 00:11:41,440 Speaker 1: base other than you and Toby were there, right, not 180 00:11:41,559 --> 00:11:44,520 Speaker 1: a soul we were. We were in the wilderness. The 181 00:11:44,559 --> 00:11:46,400 Speaker 1: other thing that I thought of is that, you know, 182 00:11:46,440 --> 00:11:50,040 Speaker 1: we left all our stuff there, and I think these 183 00:11:50,080 --> 00:11:53,760 Speaker 1: park rangers, you know, had to have seen this thing. 184 00:11:53,800 --> 00:11:56,120 Speaker 1: This thing was too big not to be right. There 185 00:11:56,160 --> 00:11:59,800 Speaker 1: must have been other witnesses had to have been had 186 00:12:00,679 --> 00:12:02,920 Speaker 1: So you weren't the only you weren't the only two 187 00:12:02,920 --> 00:12:06,120 Speaker 1: people in the park, were you? Well? We were there 188 00:12:06,120 --> 00:12:08,480 Speaker 1: only two people out in the wilderness. We didn't stay 189 00:12:08,520 --> 00:12:13,800 Speaker 1: at the campground. We drove, you know, God almost an 190 00:12:13,800 --> 00:12:16,960 Speaker 1: hour into the park until we found this high spot. 191 00:12:17,240 --> 00:12:19,719 Speaker 1: That's a big park, isn't it. It is a big 192 00:12:19,840 --> 00:12:23,559 Speaker 1: park with There was a long history of people disappearing, 193 00:12:25,400 --> 00:12:28,880 Speaker 1: and one of the places identified by David Politis as 194 00:12:28,960 --> 00:12:35,760 Speaker 1: are exactly was a man in uh August, three year 195 00:12:35,760 --> 00:12:40,760 Speaker 1: old guy from Bartlesville, Oklahoma, disappeared. He found his cell phone. 196 00:12:41,000 --> 00:12:42,360 Speaker 1: His buddy said, I'm going to go back to the 197 00:12:42,360 --> 00:12:44,600 Speaker 1: truck and get something for you and I'll be right back. Well, 198 00:12:44,679 --> 00:12:47,880 Speaker 1: had had you not been returned, you could have been 199 00:12:47,920 --> 00:12:52,000 Speaker 1: one of those statistics. You know. It troubles me to 200 00:12:52,160 --> 00:12:54,360 Speaker 1: this day, and that's one of the nightmares I had, 201 00:12:54,440 --> 00:12:58,320 Speaker 1: is those people that we saw inside this thing. What 202 00:12:58,559 --> 00:13:00,920 Speaker 1: happened to those people? Where did go? Yeah? Did they 203 00:13:01,000 --> 00:13:03,800 Speaker 1: let them go? Where? And where did they come from? 204 00:13:03,800 --> 00:13:06,760 Speaker 1: Where did they pick them up? I have no idea, 205 00:13:06,840 --> 00:13:09,160 Speaker 1: but I know they didn't go with us, and I 206 00:13:09,200 --> 00:13:11,640 Speaker 1: know I'm wherever they went. I'm just glad I wasn't 207 00:13:12,440 --> 00:13:15,720 Speaker 1: part of the crowd. 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