1 00:00:01,280 --> 00:00:03,320 Speaker 1: Thanks for listening to the best of the Doug Gottlieb 2 00:00:03,320 --> 00:00:05,960 Speaker 1: Show podcast. Be sure to catch us live every weekday 3 00:00:05,960 --> 00:00:09,440 Speaker 1: three to five Eastern twelve two Pacific on Fox Sports Radio. 4 00:00:09,520 --> 00:00:12,039 Speaker 1: Find your local station for The Doug Gottlieb Show at 5 00:00:12,080 --> 00:00:15,280 Speaker 1: Foxsports Radio dot com, or stream us live every day 6 00:00:15,360 --> 00:00:20,680 Speaker 1: on the iHeartRadio app by searching FSR boom Up America 7 00:00:20,800 --> 00:00:29,600 Speaker 1: Doug Gottlieb Show FICK Sports Radio. You're welcome, Noga, thank you, 8 00:00:31,200 --> 00:00:40,519 Speaker 1: thank you, thank you. Welcome in. It's a Friday, and 9 00:00:40,560 --> 00:00:44,120 Speaker 1: I'm working with geniuses. No, I mean it, We'll play 10 00:00:44,159 --> 00:00:47,479 Speaker 1: for you. The genius that is Dan Byer with the 11 00:00:48,040 --> 00:00:52,479 Speaker 1: completely accurate prediction of the end of Game one of 12 00:00:52,520 --> 00:00:59,320 Speaker 1: the NBA Finals upcoming. What a game, What a life? Right? 13 00:01:00,120 --> 00:01:04,479 Speaker 1: I was watching the last night's game, and it's kind 14 00:01:04,480 --> 00:01:06,640 Speaker 1: of fascinating to watch right where you're you're watching and 15 00:01:06,680 --> 00:01:09,560 Speaker 1: you're like, it's not really that close to basketball game. 16 00:01:10,520 --> 00:01:16,840 Speaker 1: But the the Pacers. Here's the cliche. They do what 17 00:01:17,120 --> 00:01:22,680 Speaker 1: they do, right. That's like the worst, worst cliche ever, 18 00:01:24,600 --> 00:01:28,959 Speaker 1: But in this particular case, it actually makes sense. They 19 00:01:29,120 --> 00:01:34,280 Speaker 1: do what they do. The other thing that's crazy about 20 00:01:34,280 --> 00:01:38,319 Speaker 1: the game is that Tyrese Haliburton. He's just kind of 21 00:01:38,319 --> 00:01:40,920 Speaker 1: a guy. Most of the game, he really didn't do much. 22 00:01:41,000 --> 00:01:44,080 Speaker 1: But then he hits the game winner, and holy cow, 23 00:01:44,200 --> 00:01:47,000 Speaker 1: Tyrese Halliburton, Oh my goodness, what are we going to 24 00:01:47,040 --> 00:01:52,360 Speaker 1: do there? The final score is one eleven to one ten. 25 00:01:52,840 --> 00:01:55,960 Speaker 1: Haliburton hits the game winner with point three seconds to 26 00:01:56,000 --> 00:02:03,040 Speaker 1: go as they rallied from Ore they down fifteen in 27 00:02:03,080 --> 00:02:11,399 Speaker 1: the fourth quarter. It's craziness, craziness. Here's what I want 28 00:02:11,400 --> 00:02:13,919 Speaker 1: to do. Like we can do the formatic radio show, 29 00:02:14,120 --> 00:02:16,840 Speaker 1: or I killed the Glass with the big hot take 30 00:02:17,360 --> 00:02:19,600 Speaker 1: and then we take calls or something, or we can 31 00:02:19,680 --> 00:02:24,000 Speaker 1: just talk. I'll give you something I saw that's kind 32 00:02:24,000 --> 00:02:29,960 Speaker 1: of interesting here. Okay, so I love Alex Crusoe. We 33 00:02:30,040 --> 00:02:33,360 Speaker 1: do know why Alex Crusoe has bounced around the league 34 00:02:33,400 --> 00:02:35,720 Speaker 1: and had to earn his way into league from the 35 00:02:35,760 --> 00:02:40,040 Speaker 1: G League before becoming such a gigantic part of the 36 00:02:40,080 --> 00:02:44,560 Speaker 1: Oklahoma City Thunder's. It's like the do you remember what 37 00:02:44,680 --> 00:02:48,239 Speaker 1: election was? It was it when Clinton won where it's 38 00:02:48,280 --> 00:02:53,799 Speaker 1: it's the economy stupid, right when when George H. W. 39 00:02:54,040 --> 00:02:57,480 Speaker 1: Bush lost to Bill Clinton, the line was it's the 40 00:02:57,520 --> 00:03:01,920 Speaker 1: economy stupid, Like to me, it's the it's the shooting 41 00:03:02,040 --> 00:03:07,880 Speaker 1: stupid right that as much as he's become a a 42 00:03:08,000 --> 00:03:11,360 Speaker 1: consummate professional, a very good shoot, a very good player, 43 00:03:11,800 --> 00:03:16,160 Speaker 1: he checks back into the game for Cason Wallace ninety four, 44 00:03:16,360 --> 00:03:23,079 Speaker 1: ninety nine, ninety four, ninety nine. But Caruso missing two 45 00:03:23,240 --> 00:03:28,680 Speaker 1: threes late in the game that kind of triggered the run. 46 00:03:30,880 --> 00:03:35,760 Speaker 1: Triggered the run was he missed two open threes, and 47 00:03:35,880 --> 00:03:39,760 Speaker 1: Alex and then lou Dort missed one late, and you're like, 48 00:03:39,840 --> 00:03:42,720 Speaker 1: why does it matter that Crusoe misses two threes? Why 49 00:03:42,760 --> 00:03:45,760 Speaker 1: does it matter that lou Dort misses misses a three late? 50 00:03:46,080 --> 00:03:51,880 Speaker 1: Because those are your worst shooters. And in trying to 51 00:03:52,000 --> 00:03:55,760 Speaker 1: figure out, okay, how did this happen, How did they 52 00:03:55,760 --> 00:03:58,680 Speaker 1: make all these shots, how did they score, et cetera. 53 00:04:00,080 --> 00:04:03,240 Speaker 1: Think about the comeback, right, You had Pascal Siakam, he 54 00:04:03,320 --> 00:04:05,760 Speaker 1: had two different trips to the free through line. He 55 00:04:05,840 --> 00:04:09,360 Speaker 1: made three out of four. You had Andrew Nebhart making 56 00:04:09,360 --> 00:04:17,479 Speaker 1: a three. Uh, you had Miles Turner making threes. You 57 00:04:17,560 --> 00:04:22,719 Speaker 1: had Obi Toppin making threes. Now, it doesn't mean that 58 00:04:22,760 --> 00:04:27,720 Speaker 1: Obi Toppin is a is a great shooter. Doesn't mean 59 00:04:27,800 --> 00:04:31,040 Speaker 1: Miles Turner is a great shooter, but that's what they 60 00:04:31,080 --> 00:04:35,160 Speaker 1: have molded their NBA careers into. They have improved dramatically. 61 00:04:35,520 --> 00:04:38,279 Speaker 1: Turner has always been a good shooter, made himself into 62 00:04:38,320 --> 00:04:45,400 Speaker 1: a forty percent three point shooter, right Aaron Nay Smith 63 00:04:45,839 --> 00:04:49,000 Speaker 1: forty nine and a half percent three point shooter. Toppin's 64 00:04:49,120 --> 00:04:51,559 Speaker 1: only at thirty four, but he was running a fever 65 00:04:51,640 --> 00:04:56,840 Speaker 1: last night. And the big story to me is that 66 00:04:56,880 --> 00:05:00,240 Speaker 1: they got Oklahoma City to have their non shooters shoot, 67 00:05:01,240 --> 00:05:05,000 Speaker 1: and then they came down and smartly made threes late, 68 00:05:05,480 --> 00:05:07,320 Speaker 1: and they had one put back and a couple of 69 00:05:07,320 --> 00:05:11,360 Speaker 1: free throws late as well. In other words, perfect analytics 70 00:05:11,400 --> 00:05:14,159 Speaker 1: basketball up until that last kind of pull up jump shot. 71 00:05:14,200 --> 00:05:21,240 Speaker 1: But doesn't really matter, hey, tremendous analytics basketball at both ends, 72 00:05:21,640 --> 00:05:26,440 Speaker 1: making the sub thirty five three point shooters shoot and 73 00:05:26,880 --> 00:05:32,840 Speaker 1: not allowing shots at the rim only two's after the 74 00:05:32,960 --> 00:05:36,000 Speaker 1: non shooter shooting to three, and then taking threes and 75 00:05:36,080 --> 00:05:41,880 Speaker 1: layups yourself. But I mean that one was weird because 76 00:05:41,880 --> 00:05:46,880 Speaker 1: that one seemed another one seemed over and even the 77 00:05:46,920 --> 00:05:50,279 Speaker 1: Oklahoma City crowd like wasn't freaking out, and then it 78 00:05:50,400 --> 00:05:53,400 Speaker 1: happened so fast, Bang bang bang, bang bang, topping with 79 00:05:53,440 --> 00:05:55,400 Speaker 1: a bunch of threes, Miles Turner a couple of threes, 80 00:05:55,480 --> 00:05:56,960 Speaker 1: and now of a sudden, you're like, that's getting kind 81 00:05:56,960 --> 00:05:59,640 Speaker 1: of close, and then lou Dort fires off when it 82 00:05:59,640 --> 00:06:02,080 Speaker 1: misses and they come down and can another one, and 83 00:06:02,120 --> 00:06:07,520 Speaker 1: you're like, oh my gosh, we have ourselves a game bayer. 84 00:06:07,640 --> 00:06:09,680 Speaker 1: You will play it for people. We put it on 85 00:06:09,720 --> 00:06:13,200 Speaker 1: social media. You literally predicted this thing, like to the 86 00:06:13,480 --> 00:06:17,760 Speaker 1: t on what could or would happen with the Pacers 87 00:06:17,800 --> 00:06:23,160 Speaker 1: having a lead late When I say game one NBA Finals, 88 00:06:23,520 --> 00:06:25,400 Speaker 1: what's the first thing that comes to your mind as 89 00:06:25,400 --> 00:06:26,560 Speaker 1: to what you actually saw. 90 00:06:26,720 --> 00:06:31,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, it was the Pacers doing it again. And you 91 00:06:31,240 --> 00:06:34,200 Speaker 2: try to find points in the game, Doug where you're like, Okay, 92 00:06:34,240 --> 00:06:37,320 Speaker 2: this is where it turned. That's where it turned. I'm 93 00:06:37,360 --> 00:06:40,400 Speaker 2: a big fan of the twelve point lead because it's 94 00:06:40,440 --> 00:06:42,760 Speaker 2: never as big as you think, and it's never as 95 00:06:42,760 --> 00:06:45,479 Speaker 2: small as you think, because sure of the three point shot, 96 00:06:45,520 --> 00:06:48,840 Speaker 2: you could be at eighteen and you know, two possessions 97 00:06:48,839 --> 00:06:50,320 Speaker 2: and it gave me down to a six point game 98 00:06:50,320 --> 00:06:52,760 Speaker 2: and the same sort of breath. But we were hovering 99 00:06:52,800 --> 00:06:54,680 Speaker 2: around that area. So the nine point lead at that 100 00:06:54,720 --> 00:06:57,239 Speaker 2: three minute Mark was big, and again three point shot. 101 00:06:57,320 --> 00:06:59,919 Speaker 2: Nie Smith hits it, and now it's a six point game, 102 00:07:00,320 --> 00:07:03,440 Speaker 2: and it's a close game throughout the crazy part that 103 00:07:03,520 --> 00:07:06,760 Speaker 2: I thought what was was big. You mentioned Caruso. Remember 104 00:07:06,760 --> 00:07:08,400 Speaker 2: at the end of the first half, Caruso had a 105 00:07:08,440 --> 00:07:10,440 Speaker 2: shot at the buck at the right at the bucket 106 00:07:10,440 --> 00:07:13,680 Speaker 2: and it didn't go down, but they still led by twelve. 107 00:07:14,160 --> 00:07:16,280 Speaker 2: But that was a half where the Pacers had nineteen 108 00:07:16,360 --> 00:07:19,920 Speaker 2: turnovers and they only led by twelve, Like Indiana was 109 00:07:19,960 --> 00:07:23,120 Speaker 2: only down at that point. And it's at that point 110 00:07:23,120 --> 00:07:25,720 Speaker 2: that I'm thinking to myself, well, this is still a 111 00:07:25,760 --> 00:07:29,240 Speaker 2: ballgame if Indiana just decides to hold on to the basketball. 112 00:07:29,720 --> 00:07:32,239 Speaker 2: And the reason why yesterday I said what I said 113 00:07:33,000 --> 00:07:35,960 Speaker 2: was because I felt that that is the turning point 114 00:07:36,000 --> 00:07:38,880 Speaker 2: of it. If you navigate that stretch the final six 115 00:07:38,960 --> 00:07:43,160 Speaker 2: minutes in, you're Oklahoma City, You're you're in a really, 116 00:07:43,240 --> 00:07:46,400 Speaker 2: really good spot. Note not only are the overwhelming favorite, 117 00:07:46,560 --> 00:07:48,920 Speaker 2: but you have done something that the other teams have 118 00:07:49,040 --> 00:07:51,680 Speaker 2: not been able to do when they faced Indiana. But 119 00:07:51,720 --> 00:07:54,600 Speaker 2: if Indiana does it, now, I feel that the series 120 00:07:54,640 --> 00:07:57,160 Speaker 2: has turned. Because you can look at all the bad 121 00:07:57,200 --> 00:07:59,160 Speaker 2: things that Indiana did in Game one, and said, Wow, 122 00:07:59,200 --> 00:08:01,600 Speaker 2: they still were able to in and steal it. So 123 00:08:01,880 --> 00:08:03,920 Speaker 2: that's why the stretch, it just felt, was so important 124 00:08:03,920 --> 00:08:05,960 Speaker 2: because it just felt like a tone setter for the 125 00:08:06,000 --> 00:08:08,400 Speaker 2: series that it's going to go one way or the other. 126 00:08:08,600 --> 00:08:13,160 Speaker 2: Either Oklahoma City is going to end the Pacers' streak 127 00:08:13,200 --> 00:08:16,000 Speaker 2: of comebacks and kind of right or wrong of their 128 00:08:16,000 --> 00:08:19,280 Speaker 2: own from what happened in the Denver series, or now 129 00:08:19,400 --> 00:08:22,640 Speaker 2: Indiana is fully into the series with a legit chance 130 00:08:22,680 --> 00:08:23,880 Speaker 2: to bring home the NBA title. 131 00:08:26,280 --> 00:08:31,600 Speaker 1: Hmm yeah. This is one where I can never understand, 132 00:08:31,920 --> 00:08:35,760 Speaker 1: nor any of us can, the mentality of each individual team. 133 00:08:35,880 --> 00:08:39,200 Speaker 1: I do think that for the Pacers moving forward, their 134 00:08:39,320 --> 00:08:42,240 Speaker 1: their thought process has to be we could not have 135 00:08:42,360 --> 00:08:46,880 Speaker 1: played any worse than the first half. We played fine 136 00:08:46,920 --> 00:08:49,160 Speaker 1: the second half, and then we caught a heater and 137 00:08:49,240 --> 00:08:50,640 Speaker 1: we did we did, we came back and win the game. 138 00:08:50,760 --> 00:08:53,440 Speaker 1: Imagine what happens if we actually play a good first 139 00:08:53,440 --> 00:08:56,719 Speaker 1: half of could clean first half mm hm. For Oklahoma 140 00:08:56,720 --> 00:09:00,240 Speaker 1: City again, you would think the thought process is what 141 00:09:00,400 --> 00:09:03,800 Speaker 1: you want. Positive is hey man, we were up nineteen, 142 00:09:04,800 --> 00:09:07,439 Speaker 1: like we're the better team. All we gotta do is 143 00:09:07,480 --> 00:09:10,240 Speaker 1: just step on their throat next time. On the other hand, 144 00:09:10,520 --> 00:09:12,840 Speaker 1: there's never going to be a part in the game 145 00:09:12,880 --> 00:09:16,480 Speaker 1: where you're looking up at the lead thinking we're good, right, 146 00:09:17,600 --> 00:09:20,560 Speaker 1: It's just never like we did, never, never goold. And 147 00:09:20,800 --> 00:09:22,760 Speaker 1: as much as you can say, well, hey, maybe that 148 00:09:22,800 --> 00:09:25,840 Speaker 1: makes Oklahoma City a young team, step on their throat 149 00:09:25,880 --> 00:09:28,320 Speaker 1: and make a fifteen point game a thirty point game 150 00:09:28,320 --> 00:09:31,400 Speaker 1: next time, maybe, or maybe you're up that magic number 151 00:09:31,400 --> 00:09:33,800 Speaker 1: of twelve what you're talking about, and Nie Smith hits 152 00:09:33,800 --> 00:09:36,240 Speaker 1: a three and all of a sudden, Diagno's gonna take 153 00:09:36,320 --> 00:09:38,520 Speaker 1: quick time out and they kind of start freaking out 154 00:09:38,520 --> 00:09:42,280 Speaker 1: and get tight. But none of us know what's gonna happen. 155 00:09:42,720 --> 00:09:46,000 Speaker 1: We just know, like psychologically, it could literally go either way. 156 00:09:46,360 --> 00:09:48,840 Speaker 1: And that's why. And I know Jay's off, he's up 157 00:09:49,080 --> 00:09:51,319 Speaker 1: hiking in Big Bear today, jays Doo. But that's why 158 00:09:51,400 --> 00:09:54,800 Speaker 1: he hates the stupid prediction game because you can't tell 159 00:09:54,840 --> 00:09:57,800 Speaker 1: the mentality, You can't tell how one ball goes in 160 00:09:57,960 --> 00:10:00,280 Speaker 1: what doesn't go in. But I have to tell you 161 00:10:00,760 --> 00:10:04,080 Speaker 1: that that was one of the most thrilling endings. Look, 162 00:10:04,280 --> 00:10:08,000 Speaker 1: every part of me should want Oklahoma City to win. 163 00:10:09,880 --> 00:10:13,200 Speaker 1: And just again, as you guys know, my kids all 164 00:10:13,240 --> 00:10:15,800 Speaker 1: live in Oklahoma now, right, I'm close with some people 165 00:10:15,840 --> 00:10:18,080 Speaker 1: in that organization. I know people in the Pacers organization too. 166 00:10:18,720 --> 00:10:21,760 Speaker 1: I think it'd just be great for the city, great 167 00:10:21,800 --> 00:10:23,719 Speaker 1: for the organist, and the people I know in the 168 00:10:23,840 --> 00:10:26,240 Speaker 1: organization tell me that the people above them in the 169 00:10:26,320 --> 00:10:29,199 Speaker 1: organization are all like great people, like there's just no 170 00:10:29,360 --> 00:10:35,079 Speaker 1: bs to them. I like everything about it. So my 171 00:10:35,320 --> 00:10:40,480 Speaker 1: ties should be to Oklahoma City. But watching a team 172 00:10:40,600 --> 00:10:45,360 Speaker 1: kind of methodically, not freak out, not panic, hit a three, 173 00:10:45,440 --> 00:10:46,800 Speaker 1: you get a stop at a three, you get a 174 00:10:46,840 --> 00:10:48,400 Speaker 1: stop at a three, you get a stop. And then 175 00:10:48,480 --> 00:10:51,800 Speaker 1: watching that crowd get tight, watching the thunder get tight, 176 00:10:52,200 --> 00:10:55,920 Speaker 1: watching the officiating get to be totally even right, that's 177 00:10:55,960 --> 00:10:58,559 Speaker 1: a big thing. Like it got cut to six and 178 00:10:58,760 --> 00:11:01,120 Speaker 1: Shay got kind of a he got one of those 179 00:11:01,160 --> 00:11:03,440 Speaker 1: free throw merchant fouls. He's like, all right, they're gonna 180 00:11:03,440 --> 00:11:05,040 Speaker 1: give him a couple of calls to get him. But 181 00:11:05,120 --> 00:11:07,199 Speaker 1: that was the last call he got. Then the next 182 00:11:07,240 --> 00:11:10,080 Speaker 1: two pull up jump shots he got nothing on normally 183 00:11:10,400 --> 00:11:12,559 Speaker 1: regular season get called a foul, and it was not. 184 00:11:14,000 --> 00:11:18,320 Speaker 1: And that was one of the most thrilling comeback wins 185 00:11:18,920 --> 00:11:23,760 Speaker 1: I can think of. In the NBA Finals, And again 186 00:11:23,960 --> 00:11:27,080 Speaker 1: I end up rooting for the Pacers only not because 187 00:11:27,120 --> 00:11:30,280 Speaker 1: of the contrarian to me, but I just I appreciate 188 00:11:30,360 --> 00:11:33,800 Speaker 1: how hard it is what they've been doing, and how 189 00:11:33,920 --> 00:11:36,079 Speaker 1: smartly they execute what they're doing. 190 00:11:36,280 --> 00:11:38,240 Speaker 2: And I would even say that the comebacks that they 191 00:11:38,280 --> 00:11:41,120 Speaker 2: had in the other games were more miraculous than this 192 00:11:41,280 --> 00:11:44,800 Speaker 2: one was, because this was this was closer than over 193 00:11:44,920 --> 00:11:48,439 Speaker 2: the final ninety seconds to two minutes than it was, 194 00:11:48,559 --> 00:11:51,320 Speaker 2: say in the Cleveland series or in the Bucks series, 195 00:11:51,880 --> 00:11:54,520 Speaker 2: where the Thunder did have to make plays. They didn't 196 00:11:54,559 --> 00:11:56,720 Speaker 2: make a bucket for the final ninety seconds of the game. 197 00:11:57,320 --> 00:12:00,720 Speaker 2: You like, there's another one for Oklahoma City, and you wonder, 198 00:12:00,800 --> 00:12:01,839 Speaker 2: now how that creeps in. 199 00:12:02,280 --> 00:12:05,400 Speaker 1: Well, Jellen Williams too big, missus they're late, right, and 200 00:12:06,040 --> 00:12:08,760 Speaker 1: as he goes, so goes to Thunder. Obviously, Shane misses 201 00:12:08,840 --> 00:12:10,840 Speaker 1: what could have been the game Seiler could have put 202 00:12:10,880 --> 00:12:14,360 Speaker 1: them up up three. Here's Tyrese Halliburton on how his 203 00:12:14,480 --> 00:12:16,800 Speaker 1: team performed overall this game. 204 00:12:16,880 --> 00:12:18,439 Speaker 3: If you look at all the numbers, it's not the 205 00:12:18,520 --> 00:12:21,000 Speaker 3: recipe to win. We can't turn the ball over that much. 206 00:12:21,080 --> 00:12:23,080 Speaker 3: We got to do a better job of beating gaps, 207 00:12:23,120 --> 00:12:24,839 Speaker 3: gotta do better job of rebounding. You gotta do a 208 00:12:24,880 --> 00:12:29,160 Speaker 3: better job all over the floor. But come May in June, 209 00:12:29,240 --> 00:12:30,800 Speaker 3: it doesn't matter how you get him, just get him, 210 00:12:31,040 --> 00:12:31,199 Speaker 3: you know. 211 00:12:31,360 --> 00:12:32,480 Speaker 4: So we'll take it. 212 00:12:32,840 --> 00:12:35,840 Speaker 3: You know, we'll enjoy this one tonight. But I understand 213 00:12:35,840 --> 00:12:38,240 Speaker 3: we got another game coming up in this tough building, 214 00:12:38,440 --> 00:12:40,439 Speaker 3: and we got to be prepared for that. So, like 215 00:12:40,520 --> 00:12:42,679 Speaker 3: I said, we're just a confident group. We got each 216 00:12:42,679 --> 00:12:43,160 Speaker 3: other's back. 217 00:12:44,280 --> 00:12:46,520 Speaker 1: Here's the league's MVP and how the Thunder ended up losing. 218 00:12:47,040 --> 00:12:47,360 Speaker 5: I don't know. 219 00:12:47,440 --> 00:12:50,160 Speaker 4: It happened so fast. I feel like we got matched. 220 00:12:50,960 --> 00:12:53,560 Speaker 4: He got down going right, pulled up from the MIDI 221 00:12:54,080 --> 00:12:57,440 Speaker 4: and knocked down the shot. I don't know. It didn't 222 00:12:57,440 --> 00:12:59,520 Speaker 4: feel like anything crazy. He just made up play with 223 00:12:59,600 --> 00:13:02,520 Speaker 4: the time time winding down. We had control of the 224 00:13:02,559 --> 00:13:05,040 Speaker 4: game for the most part of it. Now, it is 225 00:13:05,080 --> 00:13:07,640 Speaker 4: a forty eight minute game, and they teach you that 226 00:13:07,720 --> 00:13:10,120 Speaker 4: lesson more than anyone else in the league the hard way. 227 00:13:12,240 --> 00:13:14,319 Speaker 1: He's right, It does go fast. And then you know, 228 00:13:14,520 --> 00:13:16,800 Speaker 1: Indiana doesn't call time out in the last possession. So 229 00:13:16,880 --> 00:13:20,160 Speaker 1: oftentimes NBA teams have I've been in that situation and 230 00:13:20,280 --> 00:13:22,079 Speaker 1: I've had the opposite thing happen right where you don't 231 00:13:22,080 --> 00:13:23,800 Speaker 1: call time out, just let him go make a plane like, 232 00:13:23,880 --> 00:13:26,040 Speaker 1: oh man, should I have called the timeout or not? 233 00:13:26,200 --> 00:13:31,040 Speaker 1: There Ah, just dying over it. But it does. It 234 00:13:31,200 --> 00:13:35,480 Speaker 1: happens really fast, right, you hit three, You're like, all right, 235 00:13:35,559 --> 00:13:38,040 Speaker 1: it's nine. Then you missed the shout and he hit three, 236 00:13:38,160 --> 00:13:41,560 Speaker 1: Like okay, it's six. That that happened fast. They eat 237 00:13:41,600 --> 00:13:43,800 Speaker 1: the faut line. You're like, oh, okay, it's eight. Then 238 00:13:43,840 --> 00:13:45,560 Speaker 1: he hit it three and it's five, Like whoa, whoa, 239 00:13:45,640 --> 00:13:47,199 Speaker 1: what what happened? 240 00:13:47,720 --> 00:13:47,920 Speaker 5: Now? 241 00:13:48,040 --> 00:13:53,520 Speaker 1: We're in a game. Happens so fast, so fast? And 242 00:13:53,640 --> 00:13:56,080 Speaker 1: I love what Alburton said. He's basically like, we didn't 243 00:13:56,120 --> 00:14:00,440 Speaker 1: really play well enough to win, but that matter, which 244 00:14:01,240 --> 00:14:04,440 Speaker 1: to Dan, you're my point, which is like Indiana's got 245 00:14:04,520 --> 00:14:06,880 Speaker 1: to be sitting there thinking, imagine if we actually played well, 246 00:14:08,360 --> 00:14:10,960 Speaker 1: you know, we won a game on their home court, 247 00:14:11,280 --> 00:14:13,520 Speaker 1: and we were do do for the first twenty four minutes. 248 00:14:13,559 --> 00:14:16,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, and selling the Pacers are without faults because that 249 00:14:16,280 --> 00:14:19,960 Speaker 2: is one of their faults defensively as well. They yeah, yeah, 250 00:14:20,000 --> 00:14:24,680 Speaker 2: I mean they haven't been as strong, but boy, last 251 00:14:24,760 --> 00:14:27,600 Speaker 2: night it sure came through and they needed to. The 252 00:14:27,680 --> 00:14:30,680 Speaker 2: nineteen first half turnovers is absurd. Was it to only 253 00:14:30,760 --> 00:14:32,080 Speaker 2: be down twelve at that point. 254 00:14:32,600 --> 00:14:37,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, And that's one of the reasons though that again, 255 00:14:38,080 --> 00:14:40,000 Speaker 1: you know thunderplay. Both teams play a lot of guys. 256 00:14:40,800 --> 00:14:42,960 Speaker 1: I thought it hurt both teams playing a lot of guys. 257 00:14:42,960 --> 00:14:45,160 Speaker 1: I thought of Oklahoma City would have played a little 258 00:14:45,160 --> 00:14:48,760 Speaker 1: bit more of a condensed rotation last night. They could 259 00:14:48,760 --> 00:14:51,160 Speaker 1: have maybe stepped on the throat of the Pacers in 260 00:14:51,200 --> 00:14:54,320 Speaker 1: the first half. 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Caddleburton has it with three driving, with 269 00:15:17,320 --> 00:15:21,640 Speaker 1: two pulling up ahead heading with three tenths of a 270 00:15:21,840 --> 00:15:22,520 Speaker 1: second to go. 271 00:15:23,440 --> 00:15:26,840 Speaker 4: How many more times can this. 272 00:15:27,120 --> 00:15:34,480 Speaker 1: Team do that? Soweets babies? Have you have you seen 273 00:15:35,000 --> 00:15:39,360 Speaker 1: the Haliban tweets out there? Have you seen those? Have 274 00:15:39,440 --> 00:15:43,360 Speaker 1: you seen it. Those are amazing, and it's like, I will, 275 00:15:43,520 --> 00:15:46,280 Speaker 1: I refuse to be the guy who gets offended right 276 00:15:46,320 --> 00:15:50,520 Speaker 1: because anything Taliban related whatever, like we're supposed to. But 277 00:15:50,680 --> 00:15:53,840 Speaker 1: it's so good and so funny that I gotta tell people. 278 00:15:54,200 --> 00:15:56,720 Speaker 1: If you're bothered by it, then you know what, just 279 00:15:57,000 --> 00:15:59,040 Speaker 1: stay out of this one. We're all gonna have a 280 00:15:59,080 --> 00:16:02,480 Speaker 1: good time and enjoy basketball and understand it's not that deep. 281 00:16:03,040 --> 00:16:05,160 Speaker 1: Thanks for listening to The Doug Gotleb Show podcast. Be 282 00:16:05,240 --> 00:16:07,320 Speaker 1: sure to catch us live every weekday three to five 283 00:16:07,360 --> 00:16:10,760 Speaker 1: Eastern twelve two Pacific on Fox Sports Radio. Find your 284 00:16:10,800 --> 00:16:13,800 Speaker 1: local station for The Doug Gottlieb Show at Foxsports Radio 285 00:16:13,840 --> 00:16:16,400 Speaker 1: dot com, or stream us live every day on the 286 00:16:16,440 --> 00:16:21,360 Speaker 1: iHeartRadio app by searching FSR. This's Doug Gottlieb Show. It's 287 00:16:21,400 --> 00:16:23,880 Speaker 1: Fox Sports Radio. Ryan Hollins is our guest. Course, you've 288 00:16:23,920 --> 00:16:26,360 Speaker 1: heard him on weekends with Dan Byer. You've heard him 289 00:16:26,360 --> 00:16:28,320 Speaker 1: on this show with Dan Byer filling in for me. 290 00:16:28,400 --> 00:16:33,480 Speaker 1: He's the NBA vet, He's our Fox Sports Radio NBA analyst, Ryan. 291 00:16:33,720 --> 00:16:35,160 Speaker 1: What did we just watch last night? 292 00:16:37,400 --> 00:16:40,360 Speaker 5: And this is something that halla Burton has been doing 293 00:16:40,880 --> 00:16:44,240 Speaker 5: all playoffs long. I think Doug it's time for us 294 00:16:44,280 --> 00:16:48,960 Speaker 5: to start believing in what goes on. And Doug, we've 295 00:16:49,000 --> 00:16:52,320 Speaker 5: talked about this on the show, and you almost saw 296 00:16:52,400 --> 00:16:56,440 Speaker 5: the script as playing out. Indiana executes for four quarters, 297 00:16:57,400 --> 00:17:00,280 Speaker 5: the rest of the NBA probably three quarters, and then 298 00:17:00,320 --> 00:17:02,240 Speaker 5: you put the ball in the hands of your best player. 299 00:17:02,840 --> 00:17:07,280 Speaker 5: But they just truly believe and it's tough. And what 300 00:17:07,400 --> 00:17:12,120 Speaker 5: you're seeing is SGA one on one, SGA one on one. 301 00:17:12,240 --> 00:17:15,639 Speaker 5: Hopefully we get a steal. Hopefully we created deflection, and 302 00:17:16,400 --> 00:17:20,040 Speaker 5: that's going against Indiana. Pick and roll ball moment, second side, 303 00:17:20,080 --> 00:17:22,920 Speaker 5: pick and roll attack, drawn kick three, three to three, 304 00:17:23,320 --> 00:17:27,520 Speaker 5: and once Indiana starts hitting threes, now the game confidence 305 00:17:27,600 --> 00:17:29,879 Speaker 5: offensively and the scary part, Doug, I don't know how 306 00:17:29,960 --> 00:17:33,159 Speaker 5: you feel about this, the fact that Indye turned the 307 00:17:33,240 --> 00:17:35,840 Speaker 5: ball over so much in the first half and the 308 00:17:35,960 --> 00:17:39,000 Speaker 5: fact that the Thunder didn't win that game. You got 309 00:17:39,119 --> 00:17:40,439 Speaker 5: to be shaking in your boots. 310 00:17:43,160 --> 00:17:46,000 Speaker 1: We just discussed this, like the Pacers have to be 311 00:17:46,040 --> 00:17:51,080 Speaker 1: sitting there going We played poorly for two thirds of 312 00:17:51,119 --> 00:17:54,520 Speaker 1: the game, definitely half the game, play poorly and yet 313 00:17:54,840 --> 00:17:57,280 Speaker 1: still end up winning a game, and we did so 314 00:17:57,480 --> 00:18:00,640 Speaker 1: on the road. Imagine what happens when we just play 315 00:18:01,200 --> 00:18:05,520 Speaker 1: average in the first half. What about the what about 316 00:18:05,520 --> 00:18:08,399 Speaker 1: the Oklahoma City thunder? How hard is it going to 317 00:18:08,520 --> 00:18:12,200 Speaker 1: be for them to convince themselves. Hey, guys, we were 318 00:18:12,280 --> 00:18:16,439 Speaker 1: up nineteen, like we had we had a double digitally 319 00:18:16,600 --> 00:18:19,600 Speaker 1: late in the fourth quarter. But again, that's really hard 320 00:18:19,680 --> 00:18:22,960 Speaker 1: to convince yourself when that league evaporated in the last 321 00:18:22,960 --> 00:18:23,399 Speaker 1: two minutes. 322 00:18:24,920 --> 00:18:28,520 Speaker 5: Doug, I think the biggest problem for Oklahoma City is 323 00:18:28,640 --> 00:18:31,800 Speaker 5: trying to match up with Indiana, and I think they've 324 00:18:31,880 --> 00:18:35,280 Speaker 5: got to be the best versions of themselves. If it's 325 00:18:35,760 --> 00:18:39,040 Speaker 5: Shay shooting the ball fifty times, you go big and 326 00:18:39,119 --> 00:18:41,399 Speaker 5: you just attack the glass and muddy the game up 327 00:18:41,480 --> 00:18:44,320 Speaker 5: and make it really physical. That's what it's going to 328 00:18:44,440 --> 00:18:47,880 Speaker 5: have to be. But you go small at Cason Wallace 329 00:18:48,680 --> 00:18:51,680 Speaker 5: and you try to match up with the three point shooting, 330 00:18:52,400 --> 00:18:57,080 Speaker 5: and your advantage, in my opinion, is chet Holmegren blocking shots. 331 00:18:57,680 --> 00:19:01,119 Speaker 5: And then you know, looking in inside the paint and 332 00:19:01,480 --> 00:19:05,120 Speaker 5: you know Hartenstein hitting the glass, creating second chance opportunities 333 00:19:05,520 --> 00:19:08,960 Speaker 5: him and pick and roll him, and you know DHL 334 00:19:09,080 --> 00:19:12,280 Speaker 5: actions like I think you kind of got away from 335 00:19:12,320 --> 00:19:16,040 Speaker 5: what you've done in Hartenstein. You can argue, you know 336 00:19:16,280 --> 00:19:19,840 Speaker 5: he'd been the best Thunder member outside of Shade, you know, 337 00:19:20,000 --> 00:19:23,120 Speaker 5: the most reliable at least in many of these opportunities. 338 00:19:23,200 --> 00:19:27,160 Speaker 5: So I think you gotta be the best version of yourself. 339 00:19:27,280 --> 00:19:30,000 Speaker 5: And I didn't like trying to match up with Indy 340 00:19:30,200 --> 00:19:33,560 Speaker 5: because you're not going to out Indy Indy, I don't. 341 00:19:33,560 --> 00:19:34,919 Speaker 5: I don't know if that makes sense, do. 342 00:19:35,320 --> 00:19:35,719 Speaker 3: No, it does? 343 00:19:36,240 --> 00:19:42,400 Speaker 1: It does? Yeah, I completely completely understand. I thought again, 344 00:19:42,480 --> 00:19:44,560 Speaker 1: and maybe this is too deep into basketball talk for 345 00:19:44,600 --> 00:19:47,280 Speaker 1: other people. Here we go Jayla Williams too big, missus 346 00:19:47,400 --> 00:19:52,200 Speaker 1: late okay, but also lou Dort shooting a three late, 347 00:19:52,720 --> 00:19:57,760 Speaker 1: Caruso two wide open threes late. You mentioned the execution again, 348 00:19:57,880 --> 00:20:00,200 Speaker 1: it's not just in what you execute, but it's the 349 00:20:00,280 --> 00:20:04,640 Speaker 1: Pacers had their shooters shooting threes and the Thunder had 350 00:20:04,680 --> 00:20:08,040 Speaker 1: their non shooters. I'm talking about lou Dort and Crusoe 351 00:20:08,320 --> 00:20:10,840 Speaker 1: shooting those three streets. Like, how big a factor is 352 00:20:10,880 --> 00:20:12,160 Speaker 1: that in the overall scheme of things. 353 00:20:13,920 --> 00:20:17,120 Speaker 5: It's huge, And that's why I said, you know, that's 354 00:20:17,160 --> 00:20:20,119 Speaker 5: by designing. We're going boxes and elbows on Shay and 355 00:20:20,320 --> 00:20:22,800 Speaker 5: we're gonna come out with a good contest on the 356 00:20:22,920 --> 00:20:25,119 Speaker 5: three and we're going to live with those guys. Are 357 00:20:25,119 --> 00:20:28,399 Speaker 5: they capable shooters? Yes, but you know who I trust, 358 00:20:28,840 --> 00:20:32,680 Speaker 5: Nie Smith, nim Hard Siakam with those same shots. So 359 00:20:32,760 --> 00:20:35,760 Speaker 5: it's gonna be my offense for your offense. And can 360 00:20:35,800 --> 00:20:38,639 Speaker 5: those guys shoot, Yeah, of course they can. But with Indy, 361 00:20:39,320 --> 00:20:42,960 Speaker 5: they just trust the ball movement and they move the 362 00:20:43,040 --> 00:20:45,800 Speaker 5: ball better than anybody in the NBA right now. They 363 00:20:46,000 --> 00:20:49,920 Speaker 5: play as a team and they're not horrific defensively. So 364 00:20:50,800 --> 00:20:52,560 Speaker 5: if you're in the locker room, Doug, like you're saying like, 365 00:20:52,720 --> 00:20:55,719 Speaker 5: don't turn the basketball over, like, don't don't give them 366 00:20:55,840 --> 00:20:58,680 Speaker 5: any light, don't turn the ball over. Be strong with 367 00:20:58,800 --> 00:21:01,639 Speaker 5: the catch. And I say one thing, like since the 368 00:21:01,760 --> 00:21:04,240 Speaker 5: days of Durant and Westbrook being there, when I played 369 00:21:04,240 --> 00:21:08,359 Speaker 5: against those guys with the Clippers and whoever, Oklahoma City's 370 00:21:08,400 --> 00:21:10,800 Speaker 5: a tough place to play. So when you talk about 371 00:21:10,880 --> 00:21:14,120 Speaker 5: having to Pahonas to hit that shot, to go get 372 00:21:14,160 --> 00:21:16,520 Speaker 5: it and Rick Carlout doesn't go time out in Halibert, 373 00:21:16,640 --> 00:21:20,159 Speaker 5: it's that, dude, it doesn't get any more deflating. And 374 00:21:20,240 --> 00:21:23,000 Speaker 5: I've been calling this, but I'm shocked. They just they 375 00:21:23,160 --> 00:21:26,000 Speaker 5: just got down like that against the man you talk 376 00:21:26,040 --> 00:21:28,000 Speaker 5: about just deflating. 377 00:21:27,520 --> 00:21:31,720 Speaker 1: Dub gotta be incredibly inflating. Doug Gottlieb show here on 378 00:21:31,760 --> 00:21:34,040 Speaker 1: Fox Sports. Tradier, let's talk to some other NBA news 379 00:21:35,320 --> 00:21:37,280 Speaker 1: in your mind, who's the best fit for the Knicks. 380 00:21:43,280 --> 00:21:46,680 Speaker 5: I'm shocked. I think Jason Kidd because he's a former Nick. 381 00:21:46,760 --> 00:21:49,960 Speaker 5: He's gonna have to be on the table. I guess 382 00:21:49,960 --> 00:21:52,119 Speaker 5: they got permission to talk to him. You got to 383 00:21:52,160 --> 00:21:54,840 Speaker 5: bring in the name, dude, because that's all that is 384 00:21:55,040 --> 00:21:58,000 Speaker 5: all the It's the most pressured job outside of being 385 00:21:58,400 --> 00:22:01,320 Speaker 5: the Lakers head coach in the world. You know, you 386 00:22:01,400 --> 00:22:04,000 Speaker 5: got a little excuse maybe if you're coaching Lebron that 387 00:22:04,119 --> 00:22:06,159 Speaker 5: you can say, hey, Lebron's smart enough, he's going to 388 00:22:06,240 --> 00:22:08,399 Speaker 5: do his deal. You know, there's not much I'm going 389 00:22:08,480 --> 00:22:11,160 Speaker 5: to be able to fine tune. But that's a lot 390 00:22:11,200 --> 00:22:13,399 Speaker 5: of pressure. You got to get a veteran coach, You 391 00:22:13,480 --> 00:22:16,240 Speaker 5: got to get somebody you know, willing to step in 392 00:22:16,480 --> 00:22:20,399 Speaker 5: and you know, win now. But I'm still just blown 393 00:22:20,440 --> 00:22:23,560 Speaker 5: away that they got rid of TIBs, and I think Doug, 394 00:22:23,640 --> 00:22:25,879 Speaker 5: in my opinion, it's unless there's something that I don't know. 395 00:22:26,240 --> 00:22:28,720 Speaker 5: I think you send the wrong message of basketball that 396 00:22:28,840 --> 00:22:31,800 Speaker 5: you can have the best season that new York has 397 00:22:31,880 --> 00:22:35,600 Speaker 5: had in decades. You can lead this team, you can improve, 398 00:22:35,720 --> 00:22:37,960 Speaker 5: you get guys to believe, and then we fire you 399 00:22:38,000 --> 00:22:40,199 Speaker 5: and we say somehow it's your fault, somehow we need 400 00:22:40,280 --> 00:22:43,840 Speaker 5: to strive something different. And I can acknowledge something needs 401 00:22:43,880 --> 00:22:46,800 Speaker 5: to change, but I don't see that being Tom Thibodeau 402 00:22:47,080 --> 00:22:47,960 Speaker 5: called me crazy. 403 00:22:49,080 --> 00:22:53,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm with you, but that that was how the 404 00:22:53,359 --> 00:22:55,520 Speaker 1: decision was made. And you just sit there scratch your 405 00:22:55,520 --> 00:23:01,240 Speaker 1: head like are you are you kid me? Minnesota Timberwolves, 406 00:23:01,359 --> 00:23:04,320 Speaker 1: we had in tucks and stay lost. There's a lot 407 00:23:04,359 --> 00:23:06,200 Speaker 1: of people like, hey, you need to make Anthony Edwards 408 00:23:06,320 --> 00:23:09,600 Speaker 1: be able to score out of the post. And I've 409 00:23:09,640 --> 00:23:12,520 Speaker 1: heard lots of suggestions you didn't just play in the NBA. 410 00:23:12,680 --> 00:23:14,679 Speaker 1: You cover it with the with the Rockets as well 411 00:23:14,680 --> 00:23:17,480 Speaker 1: as for us here in Fox Sports Radio. If you 412 00:23:17,560 --> 00:23:20,159 Speaker 1: are running the Minnesota Timberwlels, what would you do to 413 00:23:20,240 --> 00:23:21,040 Speaker 1: take that next step? 414 00:23:23,520 --> 00:23:27,800 Speaker 5: I teach how to play pick and roll. I take 415 00:23:27,840 --> 00:23:30,800 Speaker 5: a page out of Luca dacci to Lebron's book James Harden, 416 00:23:31,280 --> 00:23:33,520 Speaker 5: and I teach him how to hey, like, hey, that's 417 00:23:34,160 --> 00:23:36,760 Speaker 5: that power for in the corner. That's the mismatch you 418 00:23:36,840 --> 00:23:39,880 Speaker 5: want bring him into action because they can't switch. You're 419 00:23:39,920 --> 00:23:43,080 Speaker 5: too good offensively and play with your bigs, learn how 420 00:23:43,119 --> 00:23:47,040 Speaker 5: to play with Rudy Gobert. It's probably disgusting the lack 421 00:23:47,119 --> 00:23:50,320 Speaker 5: of assists that he has to Rudy Gobert. Rudy Gobert 422 00:23:51,000 --> 00:23:53,760 Speaker 5: is one of the better screen setters that we've had 423 00:23:53,840 --> 00:23:56,320 Speaker 5: in the NBA screen assist but it means when he 424 00:23:56,440 --> 00:23:58,879 Speaker 5: sets the screen, you get a good shot or he 425 00:23:58,960 --> 00:24:02,000 Speaker 5: ends up getting the wide open dunk. When he learns 426 00:24:02,040 --> 00:24:04,119 Speaker 5: how to play with Rudy, when he learns how to 427 00:24:04,200 --> 00:24:06,280 Speaker 5: play with his bigs, when he learns how to pick 428 00:24:06,359 --> 00:24:08,600 Speaker 5: out the mismatch on the floor and call those guys 429 00:24:08,640 --> 00:24:11,320 Speaker 5: in the pick and roll, you're gonna see Anthony Edwards 430 00:24:11,440 --> 00:24:13,960 Speaker 5: game take leaps and bounds. I do agree with the 431 00:24:14,040 --> 00:24:16,919 Speaker 5: posts efficiency in action. He's so good he can get 432 00:24:16,960 --> 00:24:18,680 Speaker 5: to a spot, pull up and shoot right over you. 433 00:24:19,000 --> 00:24:20,760 Speaker 5: But I think the patience who's going to have to 434 00:24:20,840 --> 00:24:23,879 Speaker 5: be there, and I think as he takes those leaps, 435 00:24:24,320 --> 00:24:27,159 Speaker 5: I don't think it's necessarily spreading the floor with the 436 00:24:27,240 --> 00:24:31,000 Speaker 5: guy who can create or over contested shot. I believe 437 00:24:31,040 --> 00:24:33,600 Speaker 5: that you play with two bigs, I think you get 438 00:24:33,680 --> 00:24:37,200 Speaker 5: in another big, another shot blocker, another kind of spore 439 00:24:37,280 --> 00:24:39,960 Speaker 5: inside with size to where they sure up the paint 440 00:24:40,240 --> 00:24:43,119 Speaker 5: and you'll allow him as a volume shooter to go 441 00:24:43,320 --> 00:24:46,880 Speaker 5: make some missus. Just talk with McIntyre on Collins Show, 442 00:24:46,920 --> 00:24:50,560 Speaker 5: and I said, not playing check and Hartenstein was the 443 00:24:50,640 --> 00:24:53,880 Speaker 5: silliest thing Oklahoma City could have done because you got 444 00:24:53,920 --> 00:24:56,840 Speaker 5: a volume spor in Shaan gilgis Alexander. At least you 445 00:24:56,880 --> 00:24:59,640 Speaker 5: can command the paint. Maybe you get more offensive rebounding 446 00:24:59,640 --> 00:25:02,480 Speaker 5: opportun tunities in your lamp. Is what makes you different 447 00:25:02,640 --> 00:25:07,200 Speaker 5: than than Indy. So I think my challenge with Minnesota 448 00:25:07,280 --> 00:25:10,080 Speaker 5: is to play bigger and learn how to play pick 449 00:25:10,119 --> 00:25:12,920 Speaker 5: and roll. But in that process, you hit the heck 450 00:25:12,960 --> 00:25:15,280 Speaker 5: out of the glass and you give them more shots. 451 00:25:16,560 --> 00:25:20,480 Speaker 1: Stug Gottlieb Show Here on Fox Sports Radio. Ryan Hollins 452 00:25:21,119 --> 00:25:25,920 Speaker 1: is our guest. Ryan's Giannis. What do you think he 453 00:25:25,960 --> 00:25:26,600 Speaker 1: plays next year? 454 00:25:29,119 --> 00:25:32,280 Speaker 5: I think for Giannis and I'm pretty sure they're gonna 455 00:25:32,400 --> 00:25:35,680 Speaker 5: look to work with him. I think he's got to 456 00:25:35,800 --> 00:25:38,760 Speaker 5: look and he's got to try to one get to 457 00:25:38,840 --> 00:25:41,200 Speaker 5: a big market and then he's got to have a 458 00:25:41,359 --> 00:25:45,520 Speaker 5: chance to go out and win and for Milwaukee. You 459 00:25:45,640 --> 00:25:48,040 Speaker 5: know what, Dub they're gonna be greedy, They're gonna be like, man, 460 00:25:48,440 --> 00:25:51,360 Speaker 5: Damian Little is gonna be out next season. We need 461 00:25:51,440 --> 00:25:55,000 Speaker 5: all the youth, all the picks that we can get. Ultimately, 462 00:25:55,040 --> 00:25:57,359 Speaker 5: at the end of the day, so the largest market 463 00:25:57,400 --> 00:26:00,240 Speaker 5: team that can bring that to the tables, I think 464 00:26:00,280 --> 00:26:03,800 Speaker 5: you got to be excited. And I think if there's 465 00:26:03,920 --> 00:26:07,920 Speaker 5: enough chemistry there, it could be san Antonio. I think 466 00:26:07,960 --> 00:26:09,720 Speaker 5: we'd like that to see him and winby But I 467 00:26:09,760 --> 00:26:12,680 Speaker 5: don't know if Giannis want to be san Antonio because 468 00:26:12,720 --> 00:26:14,720 Speaker 5: the one thing we've heard from him is that I 469 00:26:14,840 --> 00:26:17,000 Speaker 5: want to go to a large city, you know, I 470 00:26:17,119 --> 00:26:19,480 Speaker 5: want to have a chance to shine as the other 471 00:26:19,560 --> 00:26:23,160 Speaker 5: superstars in the NBA. Do you saw the news about 472 00:26:23,160 --> 00:26:25,320 Speaker 5: the Knicks willing to throw everything at him, And I 473 00:26:25,400 --> 00:26:26,920 Speaker 5: think if you're the NIXT, you kind of have to 474 00:26:27,640 --> 00:26:29,520 Speaker 5: because if you're getting rid of tives, it means you're 475 00:26:29,520 --> 00:26:31,960 Speaker 5: willing to move forward in the direction and have a 476 00:26:32,040 --> 00:26:35,880 Speaker 5: superstar and a guy to build around. So that could 477 00:26:35,920 --> 00:26:38,199 Speaker 5: be a move. I don't know if Milwaukee wants to rebuild, 478 00:26:38,320 --> 00:26:40,280 Speaker 5: they want to, you know, try to step into another 479 00:26:40,760 --> 00:26:44,000 Speaker 5: forty or fifty win season. Ultimately, at the end of 480 00:26:44,000 --> 00:26:47,920 Speaker 5: the day, you know we've seen different teams go different ways. 481 00:26:48,680 --> 00:26:51,119 Speaker 5: If it's a Clippers, you know, a large market, they 482 00:26:51,240 --> 00:26:53,200 Speaker 5: know there's a chance and a pill for him to 483 00:26:53,359 --> 00:26:56,680 Speaker 5: want to be there. And I think Houston from a 484 00:26:57,000 --> 00:26:59,720 Speaker 5: talent perspective and youth and kind of win now would 485 00:26:59,720 --> 00:27:01,960 Speaker 5: probably be the best option. But would that be best 486 00:27:02,000 --> 00:27:04,320 Speaker 5: for Houston because you may have to go out and 487 00:27:04,440 --> 00:27:07,040 Speaker 5: cut a team. This is the asking price for Durant 488 00:27:07,400 --> 00:27:09,760 Speaker 5: is a lot lower than asking and I don't speak 489 00:27:09,760 --> 00:27:12,240 Speaker 5: from any type of knowledge, Doug than asking for Gianni's 490 00:27:12,280 --> 00:27:14,760 Speaker 5: because you're gonna want the whole house, the keys of 491 00:27:14,840 --> 00:27:17,960 Speaker 5: the car, the kids. You don't want everything in return 492 00:27:18,000 --> 00:27:19,360 Speaker 5: for Giannisuth to pupo Doug. 493 00:27:20,440 --> 00:27:22,680 Speaker 1: Last thing, Ryan, before the series, who'd you think would 494 00:27:22,680 --> 00:27:22,879 Speaker 1: win it? 495 00:27:24,520 --> 00:27:27,800 Speaker 5: I said, Indy, I'm gonna take my ball movement rus 496 00:27:27,840 --> 00:27:29,320 Speaker 5: your defense because all I have to do is not 497 00:27:29,480 --> 00:27:32,320 Speaker 5: turn over the ball and see how you struggle offensively. 498 00:27:32,440 --> 00:27:34,760 Speaker 5: I think that's what we saw in Game one, and 499 00:27:34,880 --> 00:27:38,480 Speaker 5: I feel even stronger after Indiana sole that game because 500 00:27:38,480 --> 00:27:41,560 Speaker 5: if I'm a player in that locker room, I'm dejected, dude, 501 00:27:41,800 --> 00:27:44,080 Speaker 5: and I'm questioning coach. While we switch up the lineup, 502 00:27:44,280 --> 00:27:46,480 Speaker 5: what are we doing. How do we kind of recover 503 00:27:46,600 --> 00:27:48,680 Speaker 5: from this because it feels like we're doing the same 504 00:27:48,760 --> 00:27:51,399 Speaker 5: thing over and over again and it's tough. I remember 505 00:27:51,440 --> 00:27:54,560 Speaker 5: the National Championship playing against Florida and they moved the 506 00:27:54,640 --> 00:27:58,119 Speaker 5: ball Forrey Brewers hitting threes. Joke Kim Noah's dunking on us. 507 00:27:58,119 --> 00:28:00,399 Speaker 5: We're doing all this stuff and are all was so 508 00:28:00,560 --> 00:28:03,840 Speaker 5: stagnant we couldn't play against them. So at the end 509 00:28:03,880 --> 00:28:07,159 Speaker 5: of the day, I think I think that Indy is 510 00:28:07,280 --> 00:28:10,879 Speaker 5: looking to run away with this in look man hit 511 00:28:11,000 --> 00:28:13,440 Speaker 5: all hands on deck. Oklahoma City better final way with 512 00:28:13,480 --> 00:28:16,359 Speaker 5: their defense to win game two, but I think it's 513 00:28:16,440 --> 00:28:18,120 Speaker 5: too far, too gone after that first game. 514 00:28:18,680 --> 00:28:22,080 Speaker 1: Awesome stuff as always, Hey, Ryan, great stuff, Let's talk 515 00:28:22,119 --> 00:28:23,720 Speaker 1: as a series rolls on. Thanks for being our guest 516 00:28:23,760 --> 00:28:24,600 Speaker 1: on Fox Sports Radio. 517 00:28:25,760 --> 00:28:27,040 Speaker 5: Inside Up all Right. 518 00:28:27,240 --> 00:28:30,480 Speaker 1: Pleasure is completely and totally mine. Thanks for listening to 519 00:28:30,480 --> 00:28:32,679 Speaker 1: The Doug Gotleep Show podcast. Be sure to catch us 520 00:28:32,800 --> 00:28:35,600 Speaker 1: live every weekday from three to five eastern twelve two 521 00:28:35,600 --> 00:28:38,880 Speaker 1: Pacific on Fox Sports Radio. Find your local station for 522 00:28:38,920 --> 00:28:41,520 Speaker 1: The Doug Gotleep Show at Foxsportsradio dot com, or streamers 523 00:28:41,560 --> 00:28:45,160 Speaker 1: live every day on the iHeartRadio app by searching FSR 524 00:28:45,960 --> 00:28:48,160 Speaker 1: what aw about you. Doug Gotleep Show Fox Sports Radio 525 00:28:48,240 --> 00:28:52,040 Speaker 1: coming to you from We're sort of by coast. I'm 526 00:28:52,040 --> 00:28:56,120 Speaker 1: on the coast of Wisconsin. Dan Byer's close to the 527 00:28:56,160 --> 00:29:02,120 Speaker 1: close coast of California, so too is Ryan Burschinger and 528 00:29:02,480 --> 00:29:06,080 Speaker 1: our guy Iowa, Sam's Doug Gottlieb Show broadcasting every day 529 00:29:06,120 --> 00:29:09,760 Speaker 1: here on Fox Sports Radio. Do Do Do Do Do Doo? 530 00:29:10,600 --> 00:29:13,280 Speaker 1: So the way I look at it with with sports 531 00:29:13,400 --> 00:29:17,880 Speaker 1: radio is let's not over complicate it. Hey, it's two 532 00:29:17,960 --> 00:29:20,280 Speaker 1: stories today, and only two that matter. We addressed the 533 00:29:20,320 --> 00:29:23,280 Speaker 1: first one, which is unbelievable come back by the Pacers 534 00:29:23,360 --> 00:29:26,080 Speaker 1: and when what happens dow in Oklahoma City, all those things, 535 00:29:26,080 --> 00:29:29,280 Speaker 1: and we'll get to some of that too in in 536 00:29:29,720 --> 00:29:33,240 Speaker 1: hour two. But the other thing is Aaron Rodgers is 537 00:29:33,320 --> 00:29:39,320 Speaker 1: a Pittsburgh Steeler. He's a Pittsburgh Steeler. That happened yesterday, 538 00:29:40,440 --> 00:29:45,200 Speaker 1: and I do think it's it's funny that Aaron Rodgers 539 00:29:45,360 --> 00:29:48,640 Speaker 1: was kind of shown up by the President. Elon Musk. 540 00:29:48,840 --> 00:29:54,480 Speaker 1: Going at it yesterday, you're like, hey, hey, I signed 541 00:29:54,760 --> 00:29:58,640 Speaker 1: I'm going to Pittsburgh, not official but released, and everybody 542 00:29:58,680 --> 00:30:03,400 Speaker 1: knows what's gonna happen. But because Elon is tweeting about 543 00:30:03,920 --> 00:30:08,959 Speaker 1: Potis and then Potus is apparently giving back the tesla 544 00:30:09,080 --> 00:30:14,400 Speaker 1: that he got that he received on the White House lawn. 545 00:30:15,200 --> 00:30:21,040 Speaker 1: That's amazing theater and it out shown Aaron Rodgers back 546 00:30:21,080 --> 00:30:24,520 Speaker 1: into the nash Football League. But I just I don't 547 00:30:24,560 --> 00:30:27,040 Speaker 1: know how anyone thinks this is not a great thing 548 00:30:28,040 --> 00:30:30,360 Speaker 1: outside of for Mason Rudolf, and even Mason Rudolf, you're 549 00:30:30,360 --> 00:30:34,280 Speaker 1: sitting there going like, yeah, this sucks, but you would 550 00:30:34,360 --> 00:30:38,440 Speaker 1: have to think that Mason and the Steelers knew a 551 00:30:38,520 --> 00:30:42,440 Speaker 1: long time ago. And oh yeah, by the way, there's 552 00:30:42,480 --> 00:30:46,080 Speaker 1: no definite that Aaron Rodgers plays every game or that 553 00:30:46,200 --> 00:30:49,240 Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers finishes the season because he has had health 554 00:30:49,280 --> 00:30:53,600 Speaker 1: issues and he is older. But outside of Mason Rudolf, 555 00:30:54,120 --> 00:30:57,160 Speaker 1: who wouldn't be crazy excited about this? Not because it 556 00:30:57,240 --> 00:31:00,000 Speaker 1: makes the Steelers great, it makes the Steelers really interesting. 557 00:31:00,800 --> 00:31:02,960 Speaker 1: And you can say whatever you want to say about Rogers. 558 00:31:03,160 --> 00:31:05,680 Speaker 1: You don't like his appearances on McAfee, you don't like 559 00:31:06,360 --> 00:31:10,840 Speaker 1: his defiance on that in vaccines are some of the 560 00:31:10,920 --> 00:31:15,160 Speaker 1: things he says. You're entitled to your opinion. You're enteled 561 00:31:15,200 --> 00:31:17,600 Speaker 1: your opinion about how good he was, how good he is. 562 00:31:17,760 --> 00:31:21,960 Speaker 1: Now you are entitled to that. What you're not entitled 563 00:31:22,000 --> 00:31:25,040 Speaker 1: to do is say, yeah, I'd prefer to see Mason 564 00:31:25,120 --> 00:31:30,640 Speaker 1: Rudolph play to Aaron Rodgers play again. Mason's a friend 565 00:31:30,720 --> 00:31:34,040 Speaker 1: of mine, literally hung out text whatever. He's good dude, 566 00:31:34,760 --> 00:31:38,440 Speaker 1: And I told him and I tell everybody, like, I 567 00:31:38,560 --> 00:31:40,920 Speaker 1: want to see Aaron Rodgers play. It's one of the 568 00:31:40,960 --> 00:31:45,680 Speaker 1: best quarterbacks to ever play football, and he's trying to 569 00:31:45,800 --> 00:31:51,000 Speaker 1: defy so many of the odds age still off of injury. 570 00:31:52,000 --> 00:31:57,240 Speaker 1: The Jets get that off me. I mean took Sam 571 00:31:57,360 --> 00:31:59,680 Speaker 1: darvald a couple of years to get that Jets muck 572 00:31:59,720 --> 00:32:03,280 Speaker 1: off Geno Smith. He had to get that Jets off him, Like, 573 00:32:03,560 --> 00:32:06,640 Speaker 1: I got Jets on me? Is that Jets on your shirt? 574 00:32:06,840 --> 00:32:12,520 Speaker 1: I got jets? Oh? Oh? Having Jets on your resume 575 00:32:13,080 --> 00:32:17,000 Speaker 1: as a quarterback. Outside probably of Brett farv it's kind 576 00:32:17,000 --> 00:32:24,840 Speaker 1: of like stepping in dog poop. You're like poop again. 577 00:32:27,760 --> 00:32:29,360 Speaker 1: You ever have the like like, and you have just 578 00:32:29,400 --> 00:32:32,360 Speaker 1: like a little speck on your shoes. You're like checking 579 00:32:32,400 --> 00:32:36,200 Speaker 1: your shoes like I'm good, I'm good, and then there's 580 00:32:36,240 --> 00:32:40,800 Speaker 1: this little tiny in the crevice of your shoe. You're like, oh, God, 581 00:32:41,160 --> 00:32:43,200 Speaker 1: that's what it is. Then you hose it down and 582 00:32:43,240 --> 00:32:45,800 Speaker 1: you're like, I'm good. That's the Jets you got. I 583 00:32:45,880 --> 00:32:51,760 Speaker 1: gotta get that Jets off me. Todd Bowles took him 584 00:32:51,760 --> 00:32:53,120 Speaker 1: a couple of years to get the Jets off him 585 00:32:53,360 --> 00:32:55,840 Speaker 1: working with the Buccaneers. Now he's their head coach. 586 00:32:57,120 --> 00:32:58,840 Speaker 5: Right, So. 587 00:33:00,760 --> 00:33:03,680 Speaker 1: I just again, you don't have to like Aaron Rodgers. 588 00:33:04,440 --> 00:33:06,560 Speaker 1: Dan Byer doesn't like Aaron Rodgers. I know he doesn't. 589 00:33:06,920 --> 00:33:09,640 Speaker 1: It's not personal. He's just never been a Rogers guy. 590 00:33:09,680 --> 00:33:12,680 Speaker 1: He's never one of these just he just kind of Dan. 591 00:33:12,800 --> 00:33:14,920 Speaker 1: Is it fair to say you were over Aaron Rodgers 592 00:33:15,880 --> 00:33:16,720 Speaker 1: a good while ago? 593 00:33:17,800 --> 00:33:22,960 Speaker 2: Yes, that's fair, okay, fair nothing nothing personal. But no, yeah, 594 00:33:22,960 --> 00:33:26,360 Speaker 2: there's just as hard to be extra. There's always something extra. 595 00:33:26,800 --> 00:33:30,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, yes, yes, with Aaron it's it's a lot like 596 00:33:31,400 --> 00:33:33,920 Speaker 1: the West side of Los Angeles. It's a lot like 597 00:33:34,640 --> 00:33:40,360 Speaker 1: midtown Manhattan right where it's not bad, but god, it's 598 00:33:40,400 --> 00:33:47,080 Speaker 1: a lot. It's just a lot seemingly unnecessarily, so unnecessarily, 599 00:33:47,200 --> 00:33:51,440 Speaker 1: and that's Aaron Rodgers. Like, look, dude, it's quarterback. This 600 00:33:51,560 --> 00:33:53,000 Speaker 1: is not that hard of Gee, get a lot of money, 601 00:33:53,080 --> 00:33:56,880 Speaker 1: try to win games, work with your guys be the representative, 602 00:33:56,960 --> 00:33:59,400 Speaker 1: essentially the mayor of the city. Do it again, do 603 00:33:59,440 --> 00:34:03,520 Speaker 1: it again, do it again, and it just got increasingly difficult, or, 604 00:34:03,520 --> 00:34:06,880 Speaker 1: at least outward appearances, it's just a difficult. I think 605 00:34:06,960 --> 00:34:13,120 Speaker 1: I thought Mark Murphy had the best way to express 606 00:34:13,560 --> 00:34:16,560 Speaker 1: how most people view Aaron Rodgers. Do you remember what 607 00:34:16,640 --> 00:34:17,160 Speaker 1: he said by her? 608 00:34:18,680 --> 00:34:24,040 Speaker 2: I can't remember the exact word, but so I'm going 609 00:34:24,120 --> 00:34:26,560 Speaker 2: to say no, because there were a couple in my 610 00:34:26,640 --> 00:34:28,200 Speaker 2: mind and I can't remember the exact I. 611 00:34:28,360 --> 00:34:30,800 Speaker 1: Think he said he's a complicated fellas. 612 00:34:30,800 --> 00:34:33,399 Speaker 2: Okay, I didn't think it was complicated. I didn't think 613 00:34:33,400 --> 00:34:34,040 Speaker 2: it was difficult. 614 00:34:34,120 --> 00:34:37,680 Speaker 1: I thought it was complicated, right, which is a complicated 615 00:34:37,760 --> 00:34:41,319 Speaker 1: is such a great word because it doesn't actually mean 616 00:34:42,560 --> 00:34:45,520 Speaker 1: what it's defined as mean. It's not like mediocre Like 617 00:34:45,640 --> 00:34:50,120 Speaker 1: people say mediocre and they always mean bad. But mediocre 618 00:34:50,840 --> 00:34:56,040 Speaker 1: is average? Is average? An average by definition is not bad. 619 00:34:56,120 --> 00:34:59,520 Speaker 1: It's average. It's average. How is your dinner mediocre? If 620 00:34:59,560 --> 00:35:01,480 Speaker 1: you say me mediocre, be like, wow, what was wrong 621 00:35:01,520 --> 00:35:01,680 Speaker 1: with it? 622 00:35:01,800 --> 00:35:01,840 Speaker 4: Like? 623 00:35:01,920 --> 00:35:04,640 Speaker 1: Nothing? It was mediocre? It was average. But mediocre has 624 00:35:04,719 --> 00:35:07,040 Speaker 1: a negative connotation, Is that fair? 625 00:35:07,120 --> 00:35:07,279 Speaker 5: Dan? 626 00:35:08,600 --> 00:35:14,960 Speaker 1: Yes? Okay, So I think complicated, same thing like complicated 627 00:35:15,040 --> 00:35:18,799 Speaker 1: is just well, it's complicated. But the truth is it's 628 00:35:18,840 --> 00:35:22,000 Speaker 1: a great code word for he's a pain in the ass, 629 00:35:23,200 --> 00:35:27,200 Speaker 1: right right, How is she like, I want to set 630 00:35:27,200 --> 00:35:30,799 Speaker 1: you up with this girl? Like as she's tell me better, eh, 631 00:35:31,400 --> 00:35:36,000 Speaker 1: better tell better her dating history? It's complicated? Whoa red flags? 632 00:35:36,680 --> 00:35:37,799 Speaker 2: What's going on with you guys? 633 00:35:37,920 --> 00:35:38,279 Speaker 1: Right now? 634 00:35:38,840 --> 00:35:39,960 Speaker 2: Wow, it's complicated. 635 00:35:40,000 --> 00:35:44,920 Speaker 1: Complicated, Yes, yes, yes there is. There has never been 636 00:35:44,960 --> 00:35:48,480 Speaker 1: a healthy relationship that anyone has ever described as complicated. 637 00:35:49,440 --> 00:35:53,920 Speaker 2: Fair fair, okay, agree, second motion carries. 638 00:35:56,320 --> 00:35:59,600 Speaker 1: So the point is that when Mark, when Mark Murphy, 639 00:35:59,719 --> 00:36:03,160 Speaker 1: the outgoing president of the Green Bay Packers a couple 640 00:36:03,239 --> 00:36:07,000 Speaker 1: of years ago, said, it's a complicated fella, everybody's like, 641 00:36:08,520 --> 00:36:13,000 Speaker 1: got it, he's a pain in the ass, really talented, 642 00:36:13,960 --> 00:36:20,480 Speaker 1: but God, just take the snap, throw the ball, score 643 00:36:20,560 --> 00:36:23,600 Speaker 1: the touchdown, shake the shake the hands, kiss the baby, 644 00:36:23,680 --> 00:36:27,200 Speaker 1: signed the autographs. Not that hard. But it just again 645 00:36:27,280 --> 00:36:32,040 Speaker 1: everything sort of complicated and again complicated by dictionary definition 646 00:36:32,560 --> 00:36:35,200 Speaker 1: means just that, Hey, it's not an easy year. There's 647 00:36:35,239 --> 00:36:39,240 Speaker 1: no one easy word to define somebody super bright, super engaging, 648 00:36:39,280 --> 00:36:42,839 Speaker 1: super charming, super talented. There are people that really, really, 649 00:36:42,920 --> 00:36:45,480 Speaker 1: really really like and appreciate him there are people that don't. 650 00:36:45,560 --> 00:36:49,920 Speaker 1: But again, the complicated by dictionary definition is hey, it's 651 00:36:49,960 --> 00:36:53,080 Speaker 1: not good, it's not bad, it's just there's there's layers 652 00:36:53,120 --> 00:36:58,720 Speaker 1: to it. Complicated in urban terms in normal discussion is ohoy, 653 00:36:59,160 --> 00:37:07,000 Speaker 1: it is compling, which is it's a lot. So again, 654 00:37:07,719 --> 00:37:12,919 Speaker 1: my challenge is for anybody to reasonably say the reason 655 00:37:13,000 --> 00:37:17,839 Speaker 1: we say, I'm not going to pay attention and like, look, 656 00:37:17,920 --> 00:37:20,520 Speaker 1: this is one of those With the Pittsburgh Steelers, I 657 00:37:20,600 --> 00:37:23,560 Speaker 1: would say that not the last year of Ben Roethlisberger, 658 00:37:24,120 --> 00:37:26,880 Speaker 1: the next to last year of Ben Roethlsberger was the 659 00:37:26,960 --> 00:37:30,920 Speaker 1: last year they had competent quarterback play. And look, Mason 660 00:37:31,040 --> 00:37:32,520 Speaker 1: I thought did a good job a couple of years 661 00:37:32,520 --> 00:37:37,239 Speaker 1: ago of getting them to the playoffs. That was probably his, 662 00:37:37,400 --> 00:37:40,399 Speaker 1: you know, his best year. But it was really like, hey, 663 00:37:40,520 --> 00:37:43,360 Speaker 1: let's just let's just do the best we can. And 664 00:37:43,480 --> 00:37:47,160 Speaker 1: maybe that was coordinator. I don't know. They've changed coordinators 665 00:37:47,160 --> 00:37:51,480 Speaker 1: since then, but Ben Roethlisberger really probably you go back 666 00:37:51,520 --> 00:37:56,120 Speaker 1: to twenty eighteen, right, so we're talking twenty eighteen, which 667 00:37:56,239 --> 00:38:01,480 Speaker 1: is seven eight years ago, right, he threw for five 668 00:38:01,560 --> 00:38:07,480 Speaker 1: thousand yards. I mean, he was a he was a star. 669 00:38:07,600 --> 00:38:10,279 Speaker 1: I mean, if you go to twenty twenty, like he 670 00:38:10,400 --> 00:38:12,560 Speaker 1: was still they were twelve and three, he was thirty 671 00:38:12,600 --> 00:38:16,600 Speaker 1: three touchdowns, ten receptions. I'd be willing to say twenty ten, 672 00:38:17,160 --> 00:38:20,960 Speaker 1: twenty twenty, so even that is five seasons ago. This 673 00:38:21,000 --> 00:38:23,200 Speaker 1: was the last time they had compety quarterback play, yes, dam. 674 00:38:23,239 --> 00:38:25,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, And I would even say even before that, like 675 00:38:25,520 --> 00:38:27,840 Speaker 2: I think the five thousand season, and twenty eighteen was 676 00:38:27,880 --> 00:38:31,479 Speaker 2: the one that's probably best because his elbow injury forced 677 00:38:31,560 --> 00:38:34,000 Speaker 2: him to miss most of twenty nineteen. He played a 678 00:38:34,040 --> 00:38:35,839 Speaker 2: game again. He only played two games that year, one 679 00:38:35,880 --> 00:38:38,040 Speaker 2: of itch was Week two against the Seahawks. It was also, 680 00:38:38,080 --> 00:38:40,960 Speaker 2: by the way, the infamous game where the pass interference 681 00:38:41,000 --> 00:38:43,799 Speaker 2: penalty kind of where you could call replay on pass 682 00:38:43,880 --> 00:38:48,960 Speaker 2: interference and remember that after the Rams Saints debacle. But 683 00:38:49,239 --> 00:38:52,279 Speaker 2: Roethlisberger's elbow kind of was shot in that Week two 684 00:38:52,360 --> 00:38:54,359 Speaker 2: game and didn't return that year. And I don't think 685 00:38:54,400 --> 00:38:56,799 Speaker 2: that he was the same in twenty twenty, even though 686 00:38:56,840 --> 00:39:01,120 Speaker 2: the numbers you know, are respectable, but yeah, that last 687 00:39:01,160 --> 00:39:01,960 Speaker 2: season was not good. 688 00:39:02,360 --> 00:39:04,719 Speaker 1: Yeah, And you probably even could go back to seventeen, 689 00:39:05,520 --> 00:39:08,840 Speaker 1: when they're twelve and three, twenty eight fourteen, four thousand 690 00:39:08,920 --> 00:39:13,000 Speaker 1: yards balanced attack really really good. Right, So we're talking 691 00:39:13,000 --> 00:39:16,240 Speaker 1: about more than half a decade since the Pittsburgh Steelers 692 00:39:16,560 --> 00:39:19,040 Speaker 1: had had competent quarterback play, probably a Hall of Fame 693 00:39:19,120 --> 00:39:19,680 Speaker 1: quarterback player. 694 00:39:19,800 --> 00:39:22,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, and Doug to even just make the point about 695 00:39:22,680 --> 00:39:25,200 Speaker 2: Kenny Pickett, just when they took Kenny Pickett, which I 696 00:39:25,200 --> 00:39:27,719 Speaker 2: think was around nineteen somewhere in that ballpark, in the 697 00:39:27,760 --> 00:39:32,320 Speaker 2: first round, that's not addressing your quarterback situation. It's just 698 00:39:32,520 --> 00:39:36,400 Speaker 2: it's not. If Kenny Pickett was that sought after, that 699 00:39:36,600 --> 00:39:39,799 Speaker 2: much of a solution, he would have been picked way 700 00:39:39,920 --> 00:39:42,520 Speaker 2: earlier in that draft. So, like, even to that point 701 00:39:42,600 --> 00:39:44,879 Speaker 2: of them taking Kenny Pickett first round, I don't think 702 00:39:45,160 --> 00:39:49,800 Speaker 2: they ever then really truly addressed their situation. But it 703 00:39:49,960 --> 00:39:52,399 Speaker 2: felt like, hey, went to pitt that's the right deal. 704 00:39:52,480 --> 00:39:55,000 Speaker 2: He's still there. Look at what he did. Steelers need 705 00:39:55,080 --> 00:39:57,680 Speaker 2: a quarterback, Let's make it work. But I don't think 706 00:39:57,719 --> 00:40:02,000 Speaker 2: that that was a really viable solution as a general rule. 707 00:40:02,040 --> 00:40:04,320 Speaker 2: I don't think it's a viable solution that you're addressing 708 00:40:04,400 --> 00:40:08,360 Speaker 2: your quarterback play if you're taking him outside the top fifteen. 709 00:40:10,640 --> 00:40:15,600 Speaker 1: A general rule, Although like Jordan Love Aaron Rodgers, right, 710 00:40:15,680 --> 00:40:17,359 Speaker 1: I think that was the model. They tried to Hey, 711 00:40:17,440 --> 00:40:21,160 Speaker 1: we got a guy that maybe slipped through the cracks, 712 00:40:21,239 --> 00:40:23,600 Speaker 1: and we get and Kenny Pickett remember played in the 713 00:40:23,680 --> 00:40:26,040 Speaker 1: same stadium. They felt like they had a better working 714 00:40:26,120 --> 00:40:28,160 Speaker 1: knowledge of him than anybody else. 715 00:40:28,200 --> 00:40:29,640 Speaker 2: You know, actually makes it worse. 716 00:40:30,120 --> 00:40:32,480 Speaker 1: I get it, you know, like, yes, you should have known. 717 00:40:32,680 --> 00:40:35,360 Speaker 1: There's no surprise. You should have known. You should have 718 00:40:35,400 --> 00:40:38,840 Speaker 1: known twentieth pick overall, you could have filmed every practice 719 00:40:38,880 --> 00:40:41,400 Speaker 1: and it wouldn't have been illegal. And yet you you 720 00:40:41,560 --> 00:40:43,480 Speaker 1: did not, and you still swung and missed.