WEBVTT - Back to the Hill with Bethany Joy Lenz 0:00:01.880 --> 0:00:07.440 Wind down and Michael and I have heard radio podcast okay, 0:00:07.480 --> 0:00:12.840 so probably since we started this podcast, I would say, okay, 0:00:12.880 --> 0:00:16.160 what are like? What should we talk about? Any topics 0:00:16.200 --> 0:00:20.360 like why are you yawning? Sorry, Michael, just sit like 0:00:20.400 --> 0:00:24.080 the biggest yawn. This is a great way into the show. Everybody. 0:00:24.120 --> 0:00:26.880 I bet a few people listening right now yawned, even 0:00:26.960 --> 0:00:33.000 saying yawn is contagious? Really absolutely yeah, okay, um, okay, 0:00:33.000 --> 0:00:37.320 but no, everyone has been asking I think every single 0:00:37.360 --> 0:00:38.960 time I would say, Okay, who do you guys want 0:00:38.960 --> 0:00:45.159 me to interview? In One Tree Hill? Always they're the 0:00:45.240 --> 0:00:49.559 most ride er Die fans like ever and anytime I've 0:00:49.560 --> 0:00:51.720 ever had a show, I always have to obviously thank 0:00:51.760 --> 0:00:54.319 my One Tree Hill fans because they were there from 0:00:54.320 --> 0:00:57.600 the beginning where hills what my trahiler is at and 0:00:57.640 --> 0:01:00.120 the biggest, the biggest role comes from that. Well, what's 0:01:00.120 --> 0:01:03.040 funny we're just talking before we start recording, is I 0:01:03.080 --> 0:01:04.920 need to find like a new show to binge because 0:01:04.959 --> 0:01:06.880 usually you'll fall asleep a little bit before I'm doing 0:01:06.959 --> 0:01:09.200 bed and I'll get my pad out and start watching 0:01:09.240 --> 0:01:12.440 something to fade too. So maybe that maybe I need 0:01:12.440 --> 0:01:14.679 to finally pull the trigger on that you would actually 0:01:14.680 --> 0:01:19.039 watch one trail. I mean I feel like you would 0:01:19.040 --> 0:01:21.920 like it because there's like the basketball and they're scoring. Yeah, 0:01:21.959 --> 0:01:23.959 but that stuff so cheesy when they try to do 0:01:24.000 --> 0:01:27.000 it in their shows. Really yeah, I mean, have you 0:01:27.040 --> 0:01:32.399 ever watched the first seasons before you're on? Well, then 0:01:32.440 --> 0:01:34.600 we can do it together. We caning it together. That'd 0:01:34.640 --> 0:01:37.039 be so perfect. Actually, would be fun. You want to 0:01:37.520 --> 0:01:40.679 do it, Okay, really, we'll start talking about it because 0:01:40.680 --> 0:01:42.679 people love it. You want to it could be like, 0:01:43.040 --> 0:01:44.400 oh my god, that'd be so good because we can 0:01:44.440 --> 0:01:47.160 link throw back. You start talking about it, yeah, and 0:01:47.200 --> 0:01:49.840 people love it here and be like remember on season one, 0:01:49.880 --> 0:01:54.280 episode five when I do you really want it? Because 0:01:54.280 --> 0:01:56.480 I would be fun because I haven't. I've only seen 0:01:56.920 --> 0:02:00.200 I've seen two episodes that I was in, and then 0:02:00.200 --> 0:02:03.080 besides that, I didn't watch one episode and nothing before 0:02:03.120 --> 0:02:05.640 because we were kind of the new We were the 0:02:05.680 --> 0:02:10.120 new characters, you know, so I never researched all these characters. 0:02:10.440 --> 0:02:16.840 I wasn't. I didn't, but we have. I'm so excited. Hey, Ethan, 0:02:16.919 --> 0:02:24.880 is she there? She's here? Hi joy, honey, my gosh, 0:02:24.960 --> 0:02:28.440 it's been so long. When was the last time that 0:02:28.560 --> 0:02:31.120 we talked. I don't know. I mean it was probably 0:02:31.200 --> 0:02:35.000 convention or something, right, I've never done any of the conventions. No, really, 0:02:35.360 --> 0:02:37.880 well I actually well, first of all, say hi to 0:02:37.960 --> 0:02:43.959 my husband Michael. Hi Michael. Technically Bethany Joy but sort 0:02:43.960 --> 0:02:47.760 of meet you. Absolutely, um no Joy. I actually was 0:02:47.800 --> 0:02:50.600 supposed to do a convention last um and I apposed 0:02:50.600 --> 0:02:54.000 to sing and everything like my first one, and they 0:02:54.080 --> 0:02:56.880 ended up pulling me out of it, but then telling 0:02:56.880 --> 0:02:58.840 people that I canceled, and I was like, um, I 0:02:58.880 --> 0:03:00.960 did not cancel. You guys pulled me out of it 0:03:00.960 --> 0:03:03.840 because you said that you couldn't afford it. And it 0:03:03.960 --> 0:03:05.560 was the one that I was texting. That was when 0:03:05.600 --> 0:03:07.200 we were texting about that, and I was like, because 0:03:07.200 --> 0:03:08.520 everyone was like I don't know if we should do 0:03:08.520 --> 0:03:11.679 this convention, I was like, well, I'm going to, oh yeah, 0:03:11.760 --> 0:03:14.840 because the money and so then they ended up pulling 0:03:14.840 --> 0:03:17.320 me out of it, but it wasn't It wasn't because 0:03:17.680 --> 0:03:19.880 they just didn't have any more funding. But they blamed 0:03:19.880 --> 0:03:22.040 it that on me canceling, and I was like, um no, 0:03:22.120 --> 0:03:25.000 So I I basically just blew them out in the 0:03:25.280 --> 0:03:27.480 on my Twitter and was like this is the message 0:03:27.480 --> 0:03:30.160 they sent me saying they didn't have any money. And 0:03:30.200 --> 0:03:33.120 this is the like, this is what I'm saying. I 0:03:33.360 --> 0:03:36.080 remember how mad I was, because I don't say that 0:03:36.120 --> 0:03:38.880 I canceled when I had made plans and canceled other 0:03:38.960 --> 0:03:43.000 shows to be there. But I mean, I would love 0:03:43.040 --> 0:03:47.400 to see it at a convention. Yeah. How's Nashville. I 0:03:47.480 --> 0:03:50.360 love it down there. We just moved back to Nashville 0:03:50.560 --> 0:03:53.480 about two months ago. We were living in l A 0:03:53.560 --> 0:03:56.280 for two years and then, um, you know, I was 0:03:56.520 --> 0:03:58.480 kind of getting back into the acting world of things 0:03:58.520 --> 0:04:00.160 and then realized, you don't really need to be in 0:04:00.760 --> 0:04:03.560 l A. Yeah, and we just we love Nashville. So 0:04:04.160 --> 0:04:06.680 nash feels amazing. But I love it out there. Are 0:04:06.680 --> 0:04:10.760 you still singing? Yeah? On and off. I've it took 0:04:10.800 --> 0:04:13.840 a break because, um, I started writing a musical and 0:04:13.960 --> 0:04:15.800 it took up a lot so that all of my 0:04:16.279 --> 0:04:19.920 musical creative energy has been poured into that. Um. And 0:04:19.920 --> 0:04:22.600 and I'm I'm a mom. I'm a single working mom. 0:04:22.640 --> 0:04:27.279 I'm she's eight. Oh my god, how is she eight 0:04:27.320 --> 0:04:30.480 years old? Since say, I know, wait, do you have 0:04:30.600 --> 0:04:32.560 kids to write? I have a three and a half 0:04:32.640 --> 0:04:34.520 year old girl and then an eight month old boy, 0:04:34.640 --> 0:04:38.839 Oh my gosh, noratulations. I cannot believe she's eight though, 0:04:39.640 --> 0:04:43.280 when she was a baby, yep, I know, that's so crazy. 0:04:43.279 --> 0:04:45.839 How how was an eight year old little girl? Third grade? 0:04:45.880 --> 0:04:49.240 It's so fun. She's really her own little person. She 0:04:49.279 --> 0:04:53.360 has her very specific tastes and opinions and um, things 0:04:53.360 --> 0:04:56.400 that she enjoys doing and doesn't enjoy and and she's 0:04:56.440 --> 0:04:58.320 her own little person. But she also you know, needs 0:04:58.320 --> 0:05:00.720 mommy and wants me to snuggle at night and still 0:05:00.720 --> 0:05:02.960 holds my hand when we walked down the street. It's great. 0:05:03.120 --> 0:05:06.880 I mean, she's the best. When did you get divorced? 0:05:07.760 --> 0:05:09.480 I think it was two thousand, well, I think it 0:05:09.560 --> 0:05:16.440 went through and fifteen sixteen fifteen. That was after Tree 0:05:16.520 --> 0:05:20.080 Hill though, yeah, I mean we we we separated in 0:05:20.360 --> 0:05:26.240 um two thousand and yeah. Really but your heart is 0:05:26.279 --> 0:05:30.839 good now? Oh yeah, girl, it's so long. I'm so good. 0:05:31.040 --> 0:05:33.400 What years was it that you guys were working together 0:05:33.400 --> 0:05:36.800 on Tree Hill? Yeah, I'm so bad with mathic. What 0:05:37.000 --> 0:05:39.360 what season did you show up though? I showed up 0:05:39.400 --> 0:05:43.480 this season after when the whole was chantel and okay, 0:05:43.480 --> 0:05:46.440 so you came in season seven seven, which was two 0:05:46.480 --> 0:05:53.320 thousand and nine, wasn't Yeah, what, Oh God, wasn't eight 0:05:53.400 --> 0:05:57.359 or nine? Is it weird too? Because I'm asking this 0:05:57.480 --> 0:06:00.040 just because I felt this this past weekend. But to 0:06:00.440 --> 0:06:02.839 reconnect with somebody that you've been friends with for a 0:06:02.839 --> 0:06:05.000 long time or know for a long time at one 0:06:05.080 --> 0:06:06.760 stage of your life, but then you talk to each 0:06:06.760 --> 0:06:08.839 other now and you both have kids, like, could you 0:06:08.880 --> 0:06:11.520 imagine ten years ago, like you guys talking about having 0:06:11.600 --> 0:06:14.400 kids between you two. And just because this last weekend also, 0:06:14.440 --> 0:06:16.960 you know, back in Baltimore, babe, and seeing my friends 0:06:16.960 --> 0:06:19.279 that I've like grown up with the last ten years 0:06:19.279 --> 0:06:21.200 and now we all have wives and kids, and it's like, 0:06:21.600 --> 0:06:24.200 but when you when you talk to them and you're together, 0:06:24.240 --> 0:06:27.560 you feel like you're still twenty. Life changes a lot 0:06:27.760 --> 0:06:30.599 forces you to re evaluate your priorities, and you know, 0:06:30.680 --> 0:06:34.600 everybody sort of situates themselves in different ways. Um once 0:06:34.760 --> 0:06:37.360 families and once you get older and families start to 0:06:37.400 --> 0:06:39.159 show up. But I think about this a lot. I 0:06:39.240 --> 0:06:42.160 was taking a walk with Paul Johansson and who I love. 0:06:42.279 --> 0:06:44.080 Ran into him a couple of months ago and we 0:06:44.080 --> 0:06:47.120 were hiking. Oh, he's the sweetest, he's so great, and 0:06:47.160 --> 0:06:48.960 he was he was probably with Quinn with his son. 0:06:49.920 --> 0:06:52.920 He wasn't because it's showing me pictures. Oh yeah. So 0:06:53.080 --> 0:06:54.400 I was just talking with him the other day. We 0:06:54.400 --> 0:06:56.240 were taking a walk with the kids and just like, 0:06:56.279 --> 0:06:58.920 this is so crazy that we have known each other 0:06:59.000 --> 0:07:03.960 for fifteen it's about fifteen years and we have children. 0:07:04.080 --> 0:07:06.480 We have little children, eight year old children that are 0:07:06.520 --> 0:07:08.320 just running Their kids are the same age and they're 0:07:08.320 --> 0:07:11.240 just running around and it's a whole new world, whole 0:07:11.240 --> 0:07:14.080 new life. It's amazing. Now, what about you two together, 0:07:15.720 --> 0:07:20.120 because I'm like, you guys have you know, we're great friends. 0:07:20.720 --> 0:07:23.880 We just it would never it would never work. Oh god, 0:07:23.960 --> 0:07:27.880 it would never work. Wouldn't that just show like that 0:07:27.920 --> 0:07:32.960 would just throw the tree hillers like for thet they 0:07:33.000 --> 0:07:36.760 would they would blow their minds, like their minds. Yeah. No, 0:07:36.880 --> 0:07:39.400 Paul's a wonderful person. I love him dearly. He's one 0:07:39.440 --> 0:07:42.200 of my closest friends. Um. But you know, I mean, 0:07:42.240 --> 0:07:44.200 you know how you when you've meet people in life 0:07:44.200 --> 0:07:47.080 and sometimes it's just like it's a lot of a 0:07:47.080 --> 0:07:49.040 lot of great elements, but it's just not you just know, 0:07:49.160 --> 0:07:50.800 you just know it's like this, it's not the right fit. 0:07:50.960 --> 0:07:53.040 Just would I work? What do you think you learned, 0:07:53.280 --> 0:07:56.400 like from the divorce and and kind of moving on 0:07:56.480 --> 0:07:58.800 from that situation, what was like your biggest takeaway with 0:07:58.840 --> 0:08:03.080 that besides probably being happier, but um, I learned a 0:08:03.080 --> 0:08:08.960 lot about self care and UM yeah, I mean I 0:08:09.000 --> 0:08:13.760 think I think, yeah, mostly just learning how to take 0:08:13.800 --> 0:08:17.440 care of myself and be um, how to respect myself, 0:08:17.520 --> 0:08:21.080 how to like It was a good catalyst for opening 0:08:21.120 --> 0:08:23.200 up pichanic worms for me of um, a lot of 0:08:23.280 --> 0:08:26.040 levels of healing that I needed to deal with and 0:08:26.040 --> 0:08:29.640 go through. UM so in that in that regard is 0:08:29.680 --> 0:08:31.800 great and you know you can't I mean, you can't 0:08:31.840 --> 0:08:34.000 ever regret anything that your children come out of because 0:08:34.120 --> 0:08:36.679 she's the best thing that ever happened to me, no question. 0:08:37.040 --> 0:08:38.760 How soon Jan and I were talking about this kind 0:08:38.800 --> 0:08:42.280 of recently, this topic of how soon when if you 0:08:42.480 --> 0:08:45.840 when you start dating or when you're dating somebody joy 0:08:46.240 --> 0:08:47.719 bringing up the fact that you have a child and 0:08:47.800 --> 0:08:49.920 eight year old. Is that a first date thing or 0:08:49.960 --> 0:08:51.320 is it one of those things where you gotta get 0:08:51.360 --> 0:08:54.280 to know them, see if there's any possibility of the future, 0:08:54.559 --> 0:08:56.280 and then you bring it up. I always think it's 0:08:56.320 --> 0:08:58.319 so weird when I watch in movies or TV shows 0:08:58.320 --> 0:09:00.360 and there's a character who's like, I have kid and 0:09:00.400 --> 0:09:01.800 I haven't told him. I have to tell him that 0:09:01.840 --> 0:09:04.280 I've got a kid? Like what? Just why is that 0:09:04.320 --> 0:09:06.160 not like the first thing out of your mouth that 0:09:06.360 --> 0:09:08.640 I totally agree with you. I would do the exact 0:09:08.640 --> 0:09:09.880 same thing. I would sit down and be like, look, 0:09:09.880 --> 0:09:12.319 I have a kid. It's the love of my life, 0:09:12.360 --> 0:09:15.920 and my world start like revolves around her and him. 0:09:16.040 --> 0:09:17.400 He just always bring it up. You just bring it 0:09:17.640 --> 0:09:19.880 casually like, oh, yeah, I had a long day my 0:09:19.960 --> 0:09:21.520 daughter and I went to this or that or but 0:09:21.640 --> 0:09:23.839 you know, it's just like it's just part of my life. 0:09:24.400 --> 0:09:26.000 How is that like a big secret you have to 0:09:26.720 --> 0:09:30.120 write it? Should? Remember we were talking to Billy Lee 0:09:30.120 --> 0:09:33.280 about it because she was she's transgender, and you know, 0:09:33.400 --> 0:09:37.480 she was saying that she wouldn't say the first time, 0:09:39.480 --> 0:09:41.400 which again is but how is the different? Though? I 0:09:41.400 --> 0:09:43.920 feel like it's manipulative to me because if I was 0:09:43.960 --> 0:09:46.920 the dude or the whatever, if I was if I 0:09:46.960 --> 0:09:50.480 was the other person in the situation, um, and you know, 0:09:50.520 --> 0:09:51.920 going on a date with somebody who had a kid 0:09:51.920 --> 0:09:53.720 and then they like hid the fact that they had 0:09:53.720 --> 0:09:56.800 a kid from me for the whole first date happens 0:09:56.920 --> 0:10:01.000 up with you? Yeah? Agree, and then let alone a gender. 0:10:01.920 --> 0:10:05.520 Oh right, you saying rights? I thought maybe she had 0:10:05.559 --> 0:10:08.760 a kid and she was How is it relevant that 0:10:08.840 --> 0:10:14.719 you stretched right right? I see that's a little different. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, 0:10:14.720 --> 0:10:17.280 I do think it's a little like to get to 0:10:17.320 --> 0:10:19.560 know them just a date or two. I would say 0:10:19.600 --> 0:10:23.120 someone I dated this one guy and he his real 0:10:23.200 --> 0:10:26.760 name wasn't his name, and I was like, that's weird, 0:10:26.920 --> 0:10:30.040 that's not your name. Did he go by something else? Yeah? 0:10:30.679 --> 0:10:33.880 Was it like his middle name? No? Just like wait, 0:10:34.000 --> 0:10:35.560 was it like his name is John and he was 0:10:35.600 --> 0:10:37.559 going by Steve? Or was it like she was like 0:10:37.600 --> 0:10:41.880 going by no Duke or something. His name was Ace 0:10:42.040 --> 0:10:46.680 and his real name was like Bobby. Alright, name, that's fair. 0:10:47.240 --> 0:10:51.800 But I was just like, who are you, Robert? Are 0:10:51.840 --> 0:10:56.679 you so confused? I get what you're saying. It shouldn't 0:10:56.679 --> 0:10:58.480 be such a secret. I remember this was god like 0:10:58.600 --> 0:11:01.400 eight nine years ago when I was living in Florida. 0:11:02.200 --> 0:11:04.040 I was playing down there in this girl I was 0:11:04.080 --> 0:11:07.880 talking to and what was her name Instagram? We're hanging 0:11:07.880 --> 0:11:09.880 out and I remember after a few times of us 0:11:10.080 --> 0:11:12.320 hanging out, she texted me and was like, Hey, I 0:11:12.320 --> 0:11:15.480 have something like basically serious or really important to tell you, 0:11:15.640 --> 0:11:21.040 and I started freaking out. I'm like, is she pregnant? 0:11:22.120 --> 0:11:23.800 I'm in the locker room like with my some of 0:11:23.800 --> 0:11:25.760 my teammates like, what does this mean. We're trying to 0:11:25.800 --> 0:11:27.880 decipher and we're all guys, we don't know, you know, 0:11:27.920 --> 0:11:30.280 we can't decipher that stuff like y'all can. And then 0:11:30.360 --> 0:11:32.480 come to find out she tells me she's like, I 0:11:32.520 --> 0:11:34.640 have a three year old daughter. I'm like, oh my god, 0:11:34.880 --> 0:11:38.319 thank god, that's it. You could have told me that 0:11:38.400 --> 0:11:40.800 they wanted what it mattered. So I get what you're saying. 0:11:40.840 --> 0:11:44.920 What is that? Why? Why? Why? I don't know. I 0:11:44.960 --> 0:11:48.360 think it's a beautiful that we're mom's to meet, to 0:11:48.480 --> 0:11:51.360 meet the child. Definitely is a timely thing. I wouldn't 0:11:51.600 --> 0:11:53.760 to tell them. Yeah, I agree with you both that 0:11:53.880 --> 0:11:56.440 it could be. How long do you wait until another 0:11:56.520 --> 0:11:59.400 man or a woman meets your child? I don't know 0:11:59.440 --> 0:12:03.760 if you like either way. I love you either way. Joy, No, 0:12:03.920 --> 0:12:11.080 I'm still straight. Um. I usually like to it's like 0:12:11.160 --> 0:12:14.640 second date, um, because and it's just a meat and greet, 0:12:14.720 --> 0:12:16.360 just like, yeah, I picked me up at the house. 0:12:16.400 --> 0:12:20.000 And then I'm like whether I'm like not ready yet 0:12:20.040 --> 0:12:21.600 and I give them a chance of just like sitting 0:12:21.640 --> 0:12:23.440 chat in the living room for a second. You know, 0:12:23.559 --> 0:12:26.920 I don't mind some like what if you have a 0:12:27.040 --> 0:12:32.920 date like every week, it's a lot, don't judge. I 0:12:32.920 --> 0:12:34.520 guess you haven't hung out with me in a while. 0:12:36.960 --> 0:12:40.600 What's joy were talking about ten years ago? That is 0:12:40.720 --> 0:12:45.960 not my life. No, I'm I'm I'm a very slow, 0:12:46.559 --> 0:12:49.840 shy date. Or yeah, it doesn't and I'm not like 0:12:50.120 --> 0:12:53.160 so your second date is probably like my six months. 0:12:54.800 --> 0:12:57.160 I just it's just not like I'm just I think 0:12:57.200 --> 0:12:59.680 the problem is I'm attracted to very few people. I'm 0:12:59.720 --> 0:13:02.400 just really not attracted to people most of the time. 0:13:02.600 --> 0:13:07.800 What are you attracted to? Um? Well, uh, it's that's 0:13:07.800 --> 0:13:09.440 the thing. I don't really have a type. It's like 0:13:10.400 --> 0:13:12.720 it's kind of hard to tell. It's it's there's just something. 0:13:12.760 --> 0:13:17.680 There's just something that happens. And um, I'm attracted to 0:13:17.960 --> 0:13:23.520 all uh races, all like body types, Like there's there's 0:13:23.559 --> 0:13:27.559 no that large skin, yeah totally, Like, yeah, I love 0:13:27.600 --> 0:13:30.199 a chubby guy. I love like I love a guy 0:13:30.240 --> 0:13:33.760 that's shape, but like I'm not Yeah, I mean I 0:13:33.800 --> 0:13:36.280 generally want somebody kind of bigger, like big and strong, 0:13:36.320 --> 0:13:38.560 like I'd like to feel like I'm being enveloped in 0:13:38.960 --> 0:13:44.760 big arms. Um, it's always like nice, nice and Lumberjack feeling. Um. 0:13:46.280 --> 0:13:53.319 But but you know Johansen Jack. But yeah, so it 0:13:53.440 --> 0:13:56.439 just doesn't end soli, especially in l A. I think, Um, 0:13:56.480 --> 0:13:58.520 I'm just I'm more of a kind of a homegrown 0:13:58.559 --> 0:14:01.960 girl and um, I don't know, I'm just not attracted 0:14:01.960 --> 0:14:03.559 to that many people. So do you think So you're 0:14:03.559 --> 0:14:05.800 still living in l A? Yeah? Is that where your 0:14:05.840 --> 0:14:09.960 new show shoots? It is, Yes, we're in Is that amazing? 0:14:09.960 --> 0:14:14.000 And l A? I know I got so lucky. That's amazing. 0:14:14.440 --> 0:14:18.040 So you're on a new show called Pearson, Yes, And 0:14:18.120 --> 0:14:21.160 it's a spin off of Suits, right right. So it's 0:14:21.240 --> 0:14:24.000 Jessica Pearson, who was one of the head lawyers. She 0:14:24.000 --> 0:14:26.520 she was the head of the firm at at um 0:14:26.880 --> 0:14:31.440 Pear's Inspector Litt And she was disbarred by me thank 0:14:31.480 --> 0:14:35.600 you and uh. And she moves to Chicago, where her 0:14:35.640 --> 0:14:39.240 family is, and kind of gets tied up in the 0:14:39.280 --> 0:14:42.480 world of dirty politics and she can't technically function as 0:14:42.560 --> 0:14:44.960 a lawyer. So she's working for the mayor with this 0:14:45.040 --> 0:14:48.200 amazing office, but nobody really knows what she does and 0:14:48.680 --> 0:14:51.120 technically I'm her boss, but I can't fire her, and 0:14:51.160 --> 0:14:53.600 she does whatever she wants and you know, creates havoc 0:14:53.640 --> 0:14:58.480 and so it's fun interesting. Yeah, Okay, I just I've 0:14:58.520 --> 0:15:01.200 actually talked to Paul about the too is you are 0:15:01.720 --> 0:15:04.320 one of the best actresses that we've ever worked with, 0:15:04.440 --> 0:15:06.800 and he said that I've I've always said that, I mean, 0:15:06.840 --> 0:15:10.200 you are you are truly the most Um how do 0:15:10.280 --> 0:15:13.680 I say, like, you're just so present in scenes and 0:15:13.720 --> 0:15:16.480 you're so believable and you're so real. I was It's 0:15:16.560 --> 0:15:18.880 it's always an honor to say that, Like I've acted 0:15:18.920 --> 0:15:23.160 alongside you because you're so so talented. So I'm just 0:15:23.560 --> 0:15:27.320 I've always know, I've sincerely, I've always been your cheerleader, UM, 0:15:27.400 --> 0:15:29.360 since leaving One tra Hill, and you know, I was 0:15:29.560 --> 0:15:33.120 really excited when you got um offered Songbird and because 0:15:33.120 --> 0:15:34.520 I was like, oh man, that's going to be amazing 0:15:34.560 --> 0:15:36.960 for her. And UM, I've just always kind of followed 0:15:36.960 --> 0:15:39.840 what you've done because I never understood why you you 0:15:39.880 --> 0:15:44.200 haven't broken out, because I think you've You're fantastic. So 0:15:44.440 --> 0:15:46.160 I'm just so happy that you have the show now 0:15:46.200 --> 0:15:48.320 and you're kicking ass and you know you're you're doing 0:15:48.320 --> 0:15:51.680 your thing too. Yeah, it's it's all God's timing. And 0:15:51.880 --> 0:15:54.160 I've learned so much. And the more that I look 0:15:54.200 --> 0:15:57.000 back on my life and um, the things that I've 0:15:57.040 --> 0:16:01.360 gone through and the different opportunities I've had and have 0:16:01.360 --> 0:16:04.080 have turned down, our opportunities I haven't had and missed, 0:16:04.120 --> 0:16:06.400 and all those sorts of things, the more I see 0:16:06.720 --> 0:16:10.680 sort of like divine hand just guiding everything, um to 0:16:10.800 --> 0:16:12.680 get me where I am today, because I feel like 0:16:13.160 --> 0:16:15.640 I would never have been ready for it before. I 0:16:15.680 --> 0:16:17.480 just wouldn't have been healthy enough to know what to 0:16:17.520 --> 0:16:21.640 do with that kind of responsibility, you know, and that 0:16:21.680 --> 0:16:23.800 funny the things seemed to come just at the right 0:16:23.800 --> 0:16:26.360 time when you're ready. Yeah, it's so frustrating too because 0:16:26.360 --> 0:16:28.160 you don't understand, like why didn't I get this role, 0:16:28.200 --> 0:16:30.000 Why didn't I get this or what you know, why 0:16:30.120 --> 0:16:32.280 is this happening? But if things would have happened on 0:16:32.280 --> 0:16:35.440 a different timeline, you wouldn't have been able to fulfill 0:16:35.560 --> 0:16:37.920 your potential in them exactly if it was at a 0:16:37.920 --> 0:16:40.640 different time. So then how do you stay calm? Like 0:16:40.680 --> 0:16:42.400 how do you, how do you stay in that piece 0:16:42.520 --> 0:16:45.720 of not getting so upset about something or just knowing 0:16:45.760 --> 0:16:49.120 that it's not the right time. It's still actively fighting. 0:16:49.160 --> 0:16:51.240 I mean that's look, it's a daily thing. It's not 0:16:51.280 --> 0:16:53.720 like super easy, not like I flipped a switch. But 0:16:53.920 --> 0:16:57.560 um do I do believe in that saying that you know, 0:16:57.600 --> 0:17:00.480 God always gives us what we would have asked for 0:17:00.560 --> 0:17:03.760 if we knew everything that He knows or it knows 0:17:03.840 --> 0:17:08.120 or whatever. Um So for me, there's a real comfort 0:17:08.160 --> 0:17:11.520 there in knowing that, uh, you know, I have an 0:17:11.520 --> 0:17:16.080 active faith and active per life. I'm um involved in 0:17:16.160 --> 0:17:21.240 my friends lives and you know, I have a what 0:17:21.280 --> 0:17:24.200 am I trying to say? Like, like I am, I'm 0:17:24.280 --> 0:17:29.280 actively trying to be uh conscious of the way I 0:17:29.320 --> 0:17:32.239 am in the world and make wise decisions. But I 0:17:32.280 --> 0:17:35.680 only have a limited view, and at some point I've 0:17:35.680 --> 0:17:38.000 got to just let go of control. And the more 0:17:38.040 --> 0:17:40.760 I let go, the easier things are and the better 0:17:40.800 --> 0:17:45.600 things tend to go So hard though, because you just well, 0:17:45.760 --> 0:17:48.400 especially with our careers and stuff. I mean, you know now, Mike, 0:17:48.440 --> 0:17:50.320 you're you know you knew too with your football. You 0:17:50.359 --> 0:17:53.840 just never know when Yeah, you're not like I just said, 0:17:53.880 --> 0:17:55.280 the day, I was like, I'm never I told my 0:17:55.320 --> 0:17:57.480 trainer Aaron. I was like, you know, I guess I'm 0:17:57.480 --> 0:18:00.480 just I'm never going to act again. I'm never gonna it. No, 0:18:00.680 --> 0:18:04.760 you're good. I booked a movie like two days later. 0:18:04.960 --> 0:18:06.119 It was one of those things where you get to 0:18:06.119 --> 0:18:07.719 that point where like, well, I guess this isn't like 0:18:07.920 --> 0:18:10.200 your cards anymore, because you just get so you get 0:18:10.240 --> 0:18:12.480 so defeated. Oh yeah, well I had quit before I 0:18:12.480 --> 0:18:14.600 got Pearson. I called my managers. Oh yeah, I called 0:18:14.640 --> 0:18:17.520 my managers. I called everybody. I was like, guys, um, 0:18:17.560 --> 0:18:20.400 it's rent, it's course, I'm done. Nobody's hiring me. And 0:18:20.520 --> 0:18:23.480 I'm just like, I can't I can take this rejection 0:18:23.520 --> 0:18:26.280 when I was twenty, right, I can't do this anymore. 0:18:26.320 --> 0:18:28.959 I have a kid, and I'm a good writer. I'm 0:18:29.000 --> 0:18:33.080 a good director. Um, I'm a musician. I can make 0:18:33.280 --> 0:18:35.359 things and sell them on Etsy. Like I don't know, 0:18:35.480 --> 0:18:38.119 but I'm kind of I gotta like I have to 0:18:38.160 --> 0:18:40.480 find a way and I just can't keep going on 0:18:40.520 --> 0:18:42.800 auditions and um. This came in like a couple of 0:18:42.840 --> 0:18:44.520 months later, and it was one of the few that 0:18:44.560 --> 0:18:46.199 they sent me that they were like, please just we 0:18:46.200 --> 0:18:49.640 think you should go on this. Are you serious? Wow? 0:18:50.480 --> 0:18:52.360 And you're just you just were like all right, I'll 0:18:52.359 --> 0:18:57.080 do it. Yeah, but it was hard. It was so 0:18:57.119 --> 0:19:00.239 hard because it's like to be able to just to 0:19:00.280 --> 0:19:02.920 be able to let go of caring whether or not 0:19:03.320 --> 0:19:05.760 people like you. I mean that's really a thing, right, 0:19:05.800 --> 0:19:11.000 Like in our industry or in the public eye, our 0:19:11.080 --> 0:19:13.959 our viability relies on whether or not people like us. 0:19:13.960 --> 0:19:16.200 So we're constantly trying to do things to make sure 0:19:16.240 --> 0:19:20.560 that we're on the likable page and to get to 0:19:20.560 --> 0:19:23.080 a point where you just don't care, which is just 0:19:23.119 --> 0:19:25.320 so screwed up because most of our childhood wounds are 0:19:25.560 --> 0:19:28.800 from not feeling good enough completely. So it's like, wow, 0:19:28.960 --> 0:19:31.480 just tapping into the childhood wounds, just really just hitting 0:19:31.480 --> 0:19:41.119 the world core. Thanks people. Oh yeah, yeah, it's brutal. God. Okay, Well, 0:19:41.400 --> 0:19:43.080 moving on though, because I know I'm going to get 0:19:43.160 --> 0:19:46.520 totally chastasis is at the word if I don't ask 0:19:46.600 --> 0:19:49.440 questions about One Tree Hill, I mean they're gonna be 0:19:49.440 --> 0:19:51.280 like you had around the show and didn't as one 0:19:51.400 --> 0:19:54.199 question about One Tree Hill. The best thing about One 0:19:54.200 --> 0:20:00.240 Tree Hill, oh man, the experience, Like that's really I know, 0:20:00.440 --> 0:20:03.440 I mean, that's such a vague answer. The best thing 0:20:03.440 --> 0:20:06.200 about one Tree Hill I don't know. I mean, I 0:20:06.240 --> 0:20:09.560 couldn't say. One best thing living in Wilmington's getting the 0:20:09.640 --> 0:20:12.720 chance to live on my own and work on my 0:20:12.800 --> 0:20:18.800 own end and be a successful woman in entertainment at 0:20:18.840 --> 0:20:23.480 twenty years old. To you know, like that, that was 0:20:23.520 --> 0:20:26.240 an extraordinary experience. I fell flat on my face in 0:20:26.280 --> 0:20:27.840 a lot of ways, and I thrived in a lot 0:20:27.840 --> 0:20:31.200 of ways, and it was just, um, a total once 0:20:31.200 --> 0:20:34.200 in a lifetime and singularly unique experience. Would you love 0:20:34.240 --> 0:20:39.439 most about Haley? Oh? I guess I just love that 0:20:39.520 --> 0:20:43.399 she was, Um, it's always willing to grow, you know 0:20:43.440 --> 0:20:45.520 at the end of the day. Is stubborn as she was? 0:20:45.680 --> 0:20:47.119 She was, she was always willing to grow at the 0:20:47.200 --> 0:20:50.800 end of the day. Um, what was your favorite thing 0:20:50.800 --> 0:20:55.120 about Hill? Yeah? I don't know. You've never to watch 0:20:55.119 --> 0:20:56.639 an episodes. How would you know if I was on 0:20:56.720 --> 0:21:01.120 one favorite a thing about When Tree Hill was being 0:21:01.160 --> 0:21:05.000 directed by me, you were an amazing director. You were 0:21:05.040 --> 0:21:07.119 so good. No, but seriously, like, what did what did 0:21:07.200 --> 0:21:09.159