1 00:00:01,280 --> 00:00:02,000 Speaker 1: The Volume. 2 00:00:15,280 --> 00:00:17,160 Speaker 2: All right, welcome to Hoops tonight here at the Volume. 3 00:00:17,160 --> 00:00:20,239 Speaker 2: Happy Tuesday, everybody. We have a very special guest, mister 4 00:00:20,320 --> 00:00:23,040 Speaker 2: Mark Titus from over at Barstool Sports. We actually talked 5 00:00:23,040 --> 00:00:25,680 Speaker 2: for a little while just before the NBA Finals, and 6 00:00:25,720 --> 00:00:28,159 Speaker 2: I had a blast talking hoops with Mark. We hit 7 00:00:28,200 --> 00:00:30,720 Speaker 2: a bunch of stuff that was kind of ancillary topics 8 00:00:30,760 --> 00:00:33,040 Speaker 2: about the NBA that I liked getting into, and so 9 00:00:33,080 --> 00:00:34,960 Speaker 2: I've got a couple of fun ideas for that. But 10 00:00:35,000 --> 00:00:37,160 Speaker 2: we're also going to be hitting some of the draft 11 00:00:37,200 --> 00:00:39,680 Speaker 2: picks at the top. 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All right, 41 00:01:49,680 --> 00:01:53,800 Speaker 2: mister Mark Titus. So for starters, we ended up being 42 00:01:53,800 --> 00:01:56,080 Speaker 2: pretty right about the NBA Finals. There, didn't we. 43 00:01:55,840 --> 00:01:58,400 Speaker 1: We were right. We were right, Jason. Let's let's clap 44 00:01:58,440 --> 00:02:04,200 Speaker 1: it up for us for getting there were the only 45 00:02:04,240 --> 00:02:06,000 Speaker 1: two people in the world that said the Nuggets were 46 00:02:06,040 --> 00:02:08,799 Speaker 1: much better than the Heat. I'll be Dawn, we were right. 47 00:02:10,440 --> 00:02:13,800 Speaker 2: So, uh, with the NBA Draft, and let's just start 48 00:02:13,800 --> 00:02:17,520 Speaker 2: here actually because I find this super interesting. So if 49 00:02:17,600 --> 00:02:21,200 Speaker 2: my if my knowledge of the situation is correct, four 50 00:02:21,240 --> 00:02:24,280 Speaker 2: of the top five players went a route that avoided 51 00:02:24,320 --> 00:02:28,520 Speaker 2: the NCAA to get there. Obviously Victor a traditional European prospect. 52 00:02:29,280 --> 00:02:31,720 Speaker 2: But as you go down the list between Scoot Henderson 53 00:02:31,800 --> 00:02:34,520 Speaker 2: going through G League ig Night and then uh, the 54 00:02:34,560 --> 00:02:38,600 Speaker 2: Thompson Twins going which I'm not even which route did 55 00:02:38,600 --> 00:02:38,920 Speaker 2: they go? 56 00:02:39,080 --> 00:02:43,720 Speaker 1: Text overtime it's overtime elite. Yeah, and this is confusing 57 00:02:43,800 --> 00:02:47,280 Speaker 1: for college people as well. It's we're not entirely sure 58 00:02:47,360 --> 00:02:49,920 Speaker 1: what overtime elite is. I don't know if the Thompson 59 00:02:49,919 --> 00:02:51,720 Speaker 1: Twins are entirely sure of what overtime a lead is. 60 00:02:51,880 --> 00:02:54,120 Speaker 1: I don't know if over the overtime people are entirely 61 00:02:54,160 --> 00:02:56,720 Speaker 1: sure what it is. But as far as I know, 62 00:02:57,320 --> 00:03:00,440 Speaker 1: my consumption of overtime elite content exists just on Instagram 63 00:03:00,600 --> 00:03:03,240 Speaker 1: that like they'll I'll see like a clip from like 64 00:03:03,320 --> 00:03:06,119 Speaker 1: something that's called over time. It feels like, dude perfect, 65 00:03:06,320 --> 00:03:08,160 Speaker 1: kind of like they just have like a factory where 66 00:03:08,160 --> 00:03:10,400 Speaker 1: they play basketball and then put out clips or something. 67 00:03:10,400 --> 00:03:12,760 Speaker 1: And I'm I don't know, but the Thompson Twins seem 68 00:03:12,919 --> 00:03:14,639 Speaker 1: very good and I'm excited to see them playing in 69 00:03:14,639 --> 00:03:17,880 Speaker 1: the NBA. But uh, the scouting on these guys is 70 00:03:17,960 --> 00:03:19,679 Speaker 1: hilarious because I don't know how you watch them, I 71 00:03:19,720 --> 00:03:20,320 Speaker 1: don't know where. 72 00:03:20,960 --> 00:03:24,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, well, and the and the competition, like who else 73 00:03:24,240 --> 00:03:26,840 Speaker 2: is going that specific route? It almost like takes on 74 00:03:26,919 --> 00:03:28,480 Speaker 2: a weird vibe, you know how, like when you're watching 75 00:03:28,520 --> 00:03:30,800 Speaker 2: European prospects and you're like, oh, he's playing in like 76 00:03:30,840 --> 00:03:34,120 Speaker 2: a church gym, Like what's going on here? Like there's 77 00:03:34,200 --> 00:03:37,360 Speaker 2: like this weird court and like everything about it feels 78 00:03:37,480 --> 00:03:40,720 Speaker 2: very produced. But for the Thompson twins though, because like 79 00:03:40,760 --> 00:03:44,000 Speaker 2: they they are both of them are just disgusting athletes, right, 80 00:03:44,120 --> 00:03:46,800 Speaker 2: just ridiculous row prospects and probably was the best route 81 00:03:46,800 --> 00:03:49,560 Speaker 2: for them to go, honestly from the standpoint of marketing. 82 00:03:50,120 --> 00:03:52,240 Speaker 1: Right. And but but to your point, like it is, 83 00:03:52,880 --> 00:03:54,880 Speaker 1: you introduced me as the college basketball guy and That's 84 00:03:54,880 --> 00:03:56,880 Speaker 1: why we had him on to talk about the NBA Draft. 85 00:03:57,000 --> 00:03:59,280 Speaker 1: But I feel like his time is going to go on. 86 00:03:59,360 --> 00:04:01,320 Speaker 1: My value is a college basketball guy with the NBA 87 00:04:01,480 --> 00:04:06,800 Speaker 1: Draft is going to wane immensely because I feel like 88 00:04:06,840 --> 00:04:08,960 Speaker 1: you're better student to have an Overtime Elite or a 89 00:04:09,000 --> 00:04:13,640 Speaker 1: Metropolitan's ninety two or a Gelliague Ignite expert to talk 90 00:04:13,640 --> 00:04:17,479 Speaker 1: about this draft, because yeah, it is for the people 91 00:04:17,520 --> 00:04:21,920 Speaker 1: in my life that follow college basketball closely. This No, 92 00:04:22,160 --> 00:04:23,640 Speaker 1: it wasn't a surprise because I think going to the 93 00:04:23,720 --> 00:04:26,200 Speaker 1: draft like this is the way the draft shook out 94 00:04:26,240 --> 00:04:28,960 Speaker 1: is what people expected, not just like leading up to 95 00:04:29,000 --> 00:04:30,840 Speaker 1: the draft, but like I mean months and months and 96 00:04:30,880 --> 00:04:33,240 Speaker 1: months ago. Obviously Victor Winbinon was gonna go number one 97 00:04:33,279 --> 00:04:35,960 Speaker 1: for a very long time. But the college basketball fans 98 00:04:35,960 --> 00:04:39,840 Speaker 1: of my life were definitely like scratching their head, thinking, damn, 99 00:04:39,960 --> 00:04:42,960 Speaker 1: times have changed, you know, like were to we're used to, 100 00:04:43,960 --> 00:04:45,880 Speaker 1: especially a guy like me growing up in the nineties, 101 00:04:46,120 --> 00:04:48,720 Speaker 1: you would watch college basketball. The draft would come around, 102 00:04:48,760 --> 00:04:52,080 Speaker 1: and generally the five All Americans, the five first team 103 00:04:52,080 --> 00:04:54,520 Speaker 1: All Americans. You would see them pick like in the 104 00:04:54,560 --> 00:04:57,320 Speaker 1: first at least fifteen picks, probably twenty picks like it 105 00:04:57,360 --> 00:04:59,200 Speaker 1: was just kind of how it worked. And to have 106 00:04:59,279 --> 00:05:01,400 Speaker 1: a guy like I wasbey who I'm I don't even 107 00:05:01,400 --> 00:05:03,799 Speaker 1: know if you know who Oscar Way is, I don't 108 00:05:03,160 --> 00:05:08,400 Speaker 1: know Oscar Sway. Like, that's that's where we're at now 109 00:05:08,440 --> 00:05:12,080 Speaker 1: with college basketball NBA relationship is that Oscar swey uh 110 00:05:12,440 --> 00:05:15,479 Speaker 1: not this past season, but two seasons ago was the 111 00:05:15,560 --> 00:05:17,680 Speaker 1: National Player of the Year at Kentucky. This was not 112 00:05:17,720 --> 00:05:20,560 Speaker 1: a man who was playing at a tiny school on 113 00:05:20,600 --> 00:05:23,279 Speaker 1: the West coast. This was not a man who you 114 00:05:23,320 --> 00:05:26,039 Speaker 1: know was was was not in the public eye. He 115 00:05:26,080 --> 00:05:27,600 Speaker 1: was very He was at one of the biggest brands, 116 00:05:27,640 --> 00:05:29,480 Speaker 1: if not the biggest brand in college basketball, won the 117 00:05:29,520 --> 00:05:32,320 Speaker 1: National Player of the Year award, goes undrafted, and nobody 118 00:05:32,360 --> 00:05:34,760 Speaker 1: even really seems to care or notice or anything else. 119 00:05:34,960 --> 00:05:39,360 Speaker 1: That's crazy. It's crazy because up until two thousand and four, 120 00:05:39,440 --> 00:05:41,800 Speaker 1: Jamier Nelson was the first guy who was National Player 121 00:05:41,800 --> 00:05:43,440 Speaker 1: of the Year in college basketball to not go in 122 00:05:43,440 --> 00:05:46,480 Speaker 1: the top ten Jason. So not only do guys like 123 00:05:46,880 --> 00:05:48,719 Speaker 1: not only was winning National Player of the Year, I 124 00:05:48,720 --> 00:05:51,200 Speaker 1: guarantee to get drafted. Up until two thousand and four, 125 00:05:51,279 --> 00:05:53,520 Speaker 1: every single guy that won National Player there in college 126 00:05:53,560 --> 00:05:56,560 Speaker 1: basketball went in the top ten and now in less 127 00:05:56,560 --> 00:05:59,200 Speaker 1: than a twenty year span from Jamiir Nelson going I 128 00:05:59,200 --> 00:06:01,039 Speaker 1: think he went like twenty that year and O. 129 00:06:01,160 --> 00:06:04,520 Speaker 3: Four and he ended up being awesome by the way. 130 00:06:04,600 --> 00:06:09,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, and he was good. And then Frank Mason was 131 00:06:09,800 --> 00:06:11,520 Speaker 1: the first guy a few years ago, five years ago, 132 00:06:11,560 --> 00:06:14,240 Speaker 1: I want to say that, Yeah, Frank goes in the 133 00:06:14,279 --> 00:06:16,159 Speaker 1: second round, and that was kind of like a paradigm 134 00:06:16,200 --> 00:06:18,520 Speaker 1: shift where you're like, whoa, this is crazy national player 135 00:06:18,600 --> 00:06:20,520 Speaker 1: here in the second round. And it's just the way 136 00:06:20,560 --> 00:06:22,839 Speaker 1: it's moved so quickly to where now you're you have 137 00:06:22,920 --> 00:06:25,200 Speaker 1: National Players of the Year. Zach Edie won it Purdue 138 00:06:25,200 --> 00:06:27,279 Speaker 1: this year. He was a national player. It put his 139 00:06:27,360 --> 00:06:30,000 Speaker 1: name in the draft. The feedback he got was basically like, 140 00:06:30,200 --> 00:06:32,239 Speaker 1: you're not guaranteed first round. So he's back at Purdue, 141 00:06:32,279 --> 00:06:34,240 Speaker 1: and I guess that's just where we're at with like 142 00:06:34,279 --> 00:06:38,440 Speaker 1: the relationship, because it's so uh, it's it's it's frankly 143 00:06:38,480 --> 00:06:40,560 Speaker 1: just foreign to me because that's how I grew up 144 00:06:40,600 --> 00:06:42,280 Speaker 1: consuming basketball. I was like, yeah, if you're one of 145 00:06:42,320 --> 00:06:44,680 Speaker 1: the best players in college, you might not be the 146 00:06:44,800 --> 00:06:47,880 Speaker 1: number one overall pick, but like your game is going 147 00:06:47,880 --> 00:06:50,000 Speaker 1: to translate and now I don't know if it's if 148 00:06:50,000 --> 00:06:53,400 Speaker 1: it's representative of the the split that's kind of happened 149 00:06:53,400 --> 00:06:55,520 Speaker 1: where it's two different sports, or if it's more that, 150 00:06:55,600 --> 00:06:57,560 Speaker 1: like NBA, people are a little smarter about what they 151 00:06:57,600 --> 00:07:00,280 Speaker 1: want from players versus just trusting it. If you put 152 00:07:00,320 --> 00:07:02,000 Speaker 1: up big numbers in college, you're probably going to be 153 00:07:02,000 --> 00:07:05,359 Speaker 1: good in the NBA. I don't know what's more to blame, 154 00:07:05,440 --> 00:07:08,520 Speaker 1: if blame is the right word, but yeah, it's wild. 155 00:07:08,600 --> 00:07:10,880 Speaker 1: It's wild to watch the draft as a college basketball 156 00:07:10,880 --> 00:07:12,000 Speaker 1: fan'll put it that way. 157 00:07:12,640 --> 00:07:14,000 Speaker 2: Well, and maybe it has something to do with the 158 00:07:14,000 --> 00:07:15,680 Speaker 2: fact that a lot of the top end prospects just 159 00:07:15,720 --> 00:07:17,960 Speaker 2: not even playing at that level and so the overall 160 00:07:18,040 --> 00:07:21,240 Speaker 2: level of competition freaking them out a little bit. So 161 00:07:21,440 --> 00:07:23,440 Speaker 2: really quickly, before we move on to Brandon Miller, do 162 00:07:23,480 --> 00:07:25,480 Speaker 2: you think this is a trend? Like, do you think 163 00:07:25,480 --> 00:07:26,840 Speaker 2: this is what it's going to look like in the 164 00:07:26,880 --> 00:07:28,920 Speaker 2: top of lottery moving forward? Do you think this was 165 00:07:28,960 --> 00:07:30,360 Speaker 2: kind of an anomaly? I? 166 00:07:30,440 --> 00:07:33,080 Speaker 1: Well, I think name image likeness stuff with college basketball 167 00:07:33,120 --> 00:07:35,760 Speaker 1: is gonna I think some of the talent that goes 168 00:07:35,800 --> 00:07:39,160 Speaker 1: pro might be more interested now in going college because 169 00:07:39,200 --> 00:07:41,800 Speaker 1: he can make some substantial money going to college route. 170 00:07:41,840 --> 00:07:45,280 Speaker 1: But no, I do think that that it's never going 171 00:07:45,320 --> 00:07:46,760 Speaker 1: to go back to the way it was, And I 172 00:07:46,800 --> 00:07:49,040 Speaker 1: do think that kind of what I was speaking about earlier, 173 00:07:49,040 --> 00:07:52,640 Speaker 1: like the guys who are dominant in college, I don't 174 00:07:52,640 --> 00:07:55,520 Speaker 1: think you're going to be. The scouting of the stuff 175 00:07:55,560 --> 00:07:57,240 Speaker 1: isn't as simple as like, let's take the first team 176 00:07:57,240 --> 00:07:59,280 Speaker 1: All Americans. So I don't think. I don't think we're 177 00:07:59,280 --> 00:08:02,200 Speaker 1: going to go back to that, because I do think that, uh, 178 00:08:03,000 --> 00:08:06,080 Speaker 1: the sports are drastically different with how they're played, and 179 00:08:06,120 --> 00:08:08,520 Speaker 1: I think that that's going to continue. I mean, there 180 00:08:08,640 --> 00:08:10,720 Speaker 1: there is some sort of push at the college level 181 00:08:10,720 --> 00:08:13,760 Speaker 1: from a small faction of people to to make it 182 00:08:13,840 --> 00:08:15,960 Speaker 1: more like the NBA. But I think if you talk 183 00:08:16,000 --> 00:08:19,760 Speaker 1: to the people that live and breathe college basketball, we 184 00:08:19,880 --> 00:08:22,040 Speaker 1: want college basketball to be different the NBA, because if 185 00:08:22,040 --> 00:08:24,120 Speaker 1: you if you turn college basketball into the NBA and 186 00:08:24,120 --> 00:08:26,000 Speaker 1: you widen the lane and you LinkedIn the three point 187 00:08:26,040 --> 00:08:28,320 Speaker 1: line and you shorten the shot, then what's the point 188 00:08:28,320 --> 00:08:30,600 Speaker 1: of watching college basketball? At that point? You're like, why 189 00:08:30,640 --> 00:08:33,480 Speaker 1: would I watch this when the diversion of you know, 190 00:08:33,640 --> 00:08:38,680 Speaker 1: so the oddities of that sport are what draws people 191 00:08:38,679 --> 00:08:40,720 Speaker 1: to it. But with that, I think the people that 192 00:08:40,760 --> 00:08:43,080 Speaker 1: succeed at college basketball are necessarily going to be the 193 00:08:43,120 --> 00:08:45,280 Speaker 1: guys at the NBA wants, and I think that is 194 00:08:45,280 --> 00:08:47,640 Speaker 1: here to say. I think the idea of like the 195 00:08:47,679 --> 00:08:50,760 Speaker 1: guys winning National Player of the Year going undrafted, I 196 00:08:50,800 --> 00:08:53,400 Speaker 1: think that's going to be more normal. But asking like 197 00:08:53,600 --> 00:08:56,120 Speaker 1: our our g leagnite and overtime elite, are we going 198 00:08:56,160 --> 00:08:57,760 Speaker 1: to see more of that? I think that this was 199 00:08:57,760 --> 00:08:59,760 Speaker 1: probably anomaly because I think I think like the Scoot 200 00:08:59,800 --> 00:09:02,160 Speaker 1: Hinder since the world are now going to start getting 201 00:09:02,160 --> 00:09:04,360 Speaker 1: offers for like five hundred thousand dollars to play it, 202 00:09:04,640 --> 00:09:07,480 Speaker 1: you know in Kansas per year, and I think I 203 00:09:07,520 --> 00:09:08,920 Speaker 1: think he's going to look at that and be like, yeah, 204 00:09:08,920 --> 00:09:10,199 Speaker 1: I could go I could go to I could go 205 00:09:10,240 --> 00:09:11,600 Speaker 1: play college basketball for one year. 206 00:09:11,720 --> 00:09:14,800 Speaker 2: So that's the why that makes sense to me. That 207 00:09:15,080 --> 00:09:17,040 Speaker 2: makes sense to me. It seems like, yeah, like there's 208 00:09:17,080 --> 00:09:19,640 Speaker 2: just too much money going around. I mean we're seeing guys, 209 00:09:19,760 --> 00:09:22,200 Speaker 2: who's the kid that from Michigan that like transferred right 210 00:09:22,240 --> 00:09:24,920 Speaker 2: before his final season, Like I like that. I think 211 00:09:24,920 --> 00:09:26,480 Speaker 2: we're going to see a lot of that kind of stuff. 212 00:09:26,480 --> 00:09:28,280 Speaker 2: And to your point about changing the rules, like I'm 213 00:09:28,280 --> 00:09:30,360 Speaker 2: one hundred percent with you. Like, the level of play 214 00:09:30,440 --> 00:09:33,080 Speaker 2: is not great at that level, So if you want 215 00:09:33,080 --> 00:09:35,040 Speaker 2: to make it look exactly like the NBA, it's just 216 00:09:35,080 --> 00:09:37,200 Speaker 2: going to be a bad television product because the players 217 00:09:37,200 --> 00:09:39,680 Speaker 2: aren't as good. It's got to have a unique kind 218 00:09:39,679 --> 00:09:41,880 Speaker 2: of like it's got to have a unique kind of 219 00:09:42,520 --> 00:09:45,120 Speaker 2: traditional feel to it in order for it to drive 220 00:09:45,200 --> 00:09:47,240 Speaker 2: up its entertainment value because the quality of the play 221 00:09:47,280 --> 00:09:49,880 Speaker 2: is not great. So the closer three point line, the 222 00:09:50,280 --> 00:09:53,080 Speaker 2: collegiate rules, the systems that they run, you know, it's 223 00:09:53,120 --> 00:09:55,120 Speaker 2: it's you don't want it to look like NBA basketball. 224 00:09:55,120 --> 00:09:57,040 Speaker 2: I think that kind of defeats the purpose exactly. 225 00:09:57,080 --> 00:09:58,640 Speaker 1: And those guys don't have the skills. So if you 226 00:09:58,679 --> 00:10:01,360 Speaker 1: do make it look like NBA bad basketball in terms 227 00:10:01,360 --> 00:10:04,520 Speaker 1: of the rules, the style of it's just gonna look disgusting. 228 00:10:04,520 --> 00:10:07,760 Speaker 1: And the twenty four second shot clock, I mean, these 229 00:10:07,760 --> 00:10:12,720 Speaker 1: guys have trouble creating offense with the thirty second shot clock. 230 00:10:12,760 --> 00:10:15,600 Speaker 1: You shaved six seconds off, it's gonna get even worse. 231 00:10:15,640 --> 00:10:18,280 Speaker 1: So but no, the final thought on this, on this 232 00:10:18,320 --> 00:10:20,360 Speaker 1: sort of stuff I just want to say is like, uh, 233 00:10:20,480 --> 00:10:23,520 Speaker 1: I I do think though it's interesting hearing people talk 234 00:10:23,559 --> 00:10:26,240 Speaker 1: about like, I don't know if college basketball is dying 235 00:10:26,360 --> 00:10:28,640 Speaker 1: or just kind of the shift that's going on. Uh, 236 00:10:28,880 --> 00:10:32,000 Speaker 1: But for what it's worth, the people that do love 237 00:10:32,040 --> 00:10:35,480 Speaker 1: college basketball, I don't think we care about what what 238 00:10:35,600 --> 00:10:40,200 Speaker 1: the draft means for our sport, you know, I think, Uh, 239 00:10:40,640 --> 00:10:44,760 Speaker 1: the mistake that NBA people make is believing that college 240 00:10:44,760 --> 00:10:47,840 Speaker 1: basketball exists solely to be a minor league system for 241 00:10:47,920 --> 00:10:50,640 Speaker 1: the NBA. And that is just not true. And I 242 00:10:50,640 --> 00:10:52,920 Speaker 1: don't I don't blame NBA people foreseeing that that way, 243 00:10:52,920 --> 00:10:55,800 Speaker 1: because if I was, if I only cared about the NBA, 244 00:10:55,800 --> 00:10:57,360 Speaker 1: that's how I would see it. This is the this 245 00:10:57,400 --> 00:10:59,680 Speaker 1: is the feeder system to our league. But I swear 246 00:10:59,679 --> 00:11:03,160 Speaker 1: to God, if if Ohio State this this next season, 247 00:11:03,679 --> 00:11:05,000 Speaker 1: you told me they were the number one team in 248 00:11:05,040 --> 00:11:07,240 Speaker 1: the country going into the season. But the caveat is 249 00:11:07,240 --> 00:11:09,480 Speaker 1: that every single guy on the team is as talented 250 00:11:09,520 --> 00:11:13,360 Speaker 1: as I was. And there you know, like this is 251 00:11:13,400 --> 00:11:16,120 Speaker 1: there's been such a talent drain in college basketball that like, 252 00:11:16,200 --> 00:11:17,600 Speaker 1: this is what the number one team in the country 253 00:11:17,600 --> 00:11:19,320 Speaker 1: looks like, is that they're as good as I was. 254 00:11:19,840 --> 00:11:21,880 Speaker 1: I would I would just strug my shoulders and be like, 255 00:11:21,920 --> 00:11:24,040 Speaker 1: hell yeah, let's go Number one, baby, We're gonna win 256 00:11:24,040 --> 00:11:27,760 Speaker 1: the nationally like that's I don't watch the sport, uh, 257 00:11:28,080 --> 00:11:30,400 Speaker 1: you know, So it's not disheartening to me that Victor Win, 258 00:11:30,480 --> 00:11:32,920 Speaker 1: Binyam and Scoot Henderson aren't and the Thompson Wins aren't 259 00:11:32,920 --> 00:11:35,760 Speaker 1: playing in college. That's not why I watched the sport. 260 00:11:35,840 --> 00:11:38,000 Speaker 1: And I think there there are a ton of people 261 00:11:38,040 --> 00:11:41,920 Speaker 1: across the country that are that way, and the mistake, 262 00:11:42,400 --> 00:11:43,640 Speaker 1: that's the only way I would describe it, is like 263 00:11:43,679 --> 00:11:46,600 Speaker 1: that I think NBA people think that the reason people 264 00:11:46,640 --> 00:11:49,079 Speaker 1: watch college is that we think that this is the 265 00:11:49,120 --> 00:11:50,959 Speaker 1: best basket. We're not stupid, Jason, Like, we know, we 266 00:11:51,040 --> 00:11:53,640 Speaker 1: understand that the NBA players are more talented. There's so 267 00:11:53,679 --> 00:11:55,400 Speaker 1: many other reasons that we watch, and as long as 268 00:11:55,440 --> 00:11:59,600 Speaker 1: those reasons exist, then the talent, Yes, we would prefer 269 00:11:59,679 --> 00:12:01,600 Speaker 1: to have the best players in the world, the best 270 00:12:01,800 --> 00:12:03,480 Speaker 1: non NBA players in the world be playing at college. 271 00:12:03,520 --> 00:12:05,320 Speaker 1: But if they're not, we're still gonna watch, and we're 272 00:12:05,320 --> 00:12:07,920 Speaker 1: still going to care immensely about whether our teams go 273 00:12:08,000 --> 00:12:08,680 Speaker 1: to a Final four. 274 00:12:09,240 --> 00:12:11,400 Speaker 2: That was such an important layer to the whole paying 275 00:12:11,440 --> 00:12:14,320 Speaker 2: the players thing that just never got brought up. And 276 00:12:14,440 --> 00:12:16,760 Speaker 2: I'm pro playing paying the players for the record, but 277 00:12:16,800 --> 00:12:20,160 Speaker 2: it just like anything else, it's a complicated topic. 278 00:12:20,400 --> 00:12:21,240 Speaker 3: And yeah, one of. 279 00:12:21,280 --> 00:12:24,199 Speaker 2: The complications is everyone's like, oh, they're driving all this revenue. 280 00:12:24,240 --> 00:12:26,280 Speaker 2: They're driving all this revenue, and I'm like, yeah, they do, 281 00:12:26,360 --> 00:12:29,360 Speaker 2: and they deserve to be paid. But like, you're lying 282 00:12:29,360 --> 00:12:31,679 Speaker 2: to yourself if you don't think that the duke across 283 00:12:31,720 --> 00:12:34,680 Speaker 2: the chest also brings people to the arena and gets 284 00:12:34,679 --> 00:12:37,120 Speaker 2: people to tune into the game, regardless of the players 285 00:12:37,120 --> 00:12:39,240 Speaker 2: that are on the floor. Obviously, if if there was 286 00:12:39,280 --> 00:12:42,160 Speaker 2: a massive talent drain, it would hurt ratings. But there's 287 00:12:42,200 --> 00:12:45,439 Speaker 2: no doubt that the brands of the universities also drives 288 00:12:45,440 --> 00:12:47,880 Speaker 2: a great deal of traffic. And that just never got 289 00:12:47,920 --> 00:12:50,560 Speaker 2: brought up in that debate. It's like it was. It 290 00:12:50,600 --> 00:12:52,880 Speaker 2: was so much more complicated than people were willing to admit. 291 00:12:53,240 --> 00:12:55,840 Speaker 1: Yeah it is. It is. And it's weird because the 292 00:12:55,880 --> 00:12:58,079 Speaker 1: conversations that are had privately are very different than the 293 00:12:58,080 --> 00:13:00,920 Speaker 1: conversations you have publicly, which is fascinating to me because 294 00:13:00,960 --> 00:13:04,679 Speaker 1: you talk to coaches and the people making the decisions 295 00:13:04,720 --> 00:13:08,920 Speaker 1: in college basketball, and the way they talk about the name, image, 296 00:13:09,000 --> 00:13:10,920 Speaker 1: likeness and the transfer portal and all that sort of 297 00:13:10,920 --> 00:13:13,680 Speaker 1: stuff is very, very different than when there's a microphone 298 00:13:13,720 --> 00:13:15,120 Speaker 1: and camera in front of their face and they know 299 00:13:15,160 --> 00:13:19,839 Speaker 1: that recruits are watching. So I find that hilarious. It's 300 00:13:19,920 --> 00:13:23,200 Speaker 1: just like nobody really likes the changes that are going on, 301 00:13:23,679 --> 00:13:25,760 Speaker 1: but it's just kind of a necessary thing that has 302 00:13:25,800 --> 00:13:28,520 Speaker 1: to happen because I think the powers that be got 303 00:13:28,559 --> 00:13:31,920 Speaker 1: a little too greedy. And yeah, it does kind of 304 00:13:31,920 --> 00:13:35,240 Speaker 1: stink right now. But anyway, I don't think it's that 305 00:13:35,280 --> 00:13:36,640 Speaker 1: big of a deal though. I don't. I don't think 306 00:13:36,679 --> 00:13:38,280 Speaker 1: like this is an indictment on colle I don't think 307 00:13:38,280 --> 00:13:40,800 Speaker 1: this draft that's the way. I don't think it's an 308 00:13:40,800 --> 00:13:43,280 Speaker 1: indictment on college basketball. I think it's just more representative 309 00:13:44,120 --> 00:13:47,240 Speaker 1: of how different these two sports are becoming, which I mean, honestly, 310 00:13:47,320 --> 00:13:49,280 Speaker 1: it does sort of make me sad because I love that. 311 00:13:49,400 --> 00:13:50,760 Speaker 1: I mean, that's what we talked about. You came on 312 00:13:50,760 --> 00:13:52,640 Speaker 1: my show. I just love basketball, man, I watch you. 313 00:13:52,960 --> 00:13:55,719 Speaker 1: You can throw any basketball game on television. I want 314 00:13:55,720 --> 00:13:58,240 Speaker 1: to watch it at any level. I'll watch high school 315 00:13:58,240 --> 00:13:59,800 Speaker 1: if it's on. I don't love it as much, but 316 00:13:59,840 --> 00:14:03,960 Speaker 1: like that's I and so to see. I don't want 317 00:14:04,000 --> 00:14:05,560 Speaker 1: to say it's like a war but it does sort 318 00:14:05,559 --> 00:14:07,920 Speaker 1: of feel like there are walls being built where like, 319 00:14:08,200 --> 00:14:11,120 Speaker 1: you know, the crossover that used to exist when I 320 00:14:11,160 --> 00:14:13,719 Speaker 1: would when I was growing up doesn't seem to be 321 00:14:13,840 --> 00:14:18,120 Speaker 1: as as prevalent today, and that's that's kind of a bummer, 322 00:14:18,160 --> 00:14:19,480 Speaker 1: but it is what it is. I don't that's like, 323 00:14:19,520 --> 00:14:21,040 Speaker 1: that's part of getting older changes a bit. 324 00:14:21,480 --> 00:14:23,880 Speaker 3: We're becoming the grumpy guys on the porch. That's that's 325 00:14:23,880 --> 00:14:24,360 Speaker 3: a topic. 326 00:14:24,720 --> 00:14:25,400 Speaker 1: So we're gonna do it. 327 00:14:25,440 --> 00:14:28,080 Speaker 2: We're gonna do the draft picks rapid fire style. I've 328 00:14:28,120 --> 00:14:30,880 Speaker 2: got four picks for you. Okay, just give me a 329 00:14:30,960 --> 00:14:33,680 Speaker 2: quick thirty second. This is what Mark Titus thought about 330 00:14:33,680 --> 00:14:36,600 Speaker 2: the dude watching him this season. Okay, number one Brandon Miller. 331 00:14:36,920 --> 00:14:41,960 Speaker 1: Uh, super long a great jump shot, struggled finishing at 332 00:14:41,960 --> 00:14:46,720 Speaker 1: the rim like weird. Uh. I I can't get the 333 00:14:46,840 --> 00:14:48,760 Speaker 1: NCAA tournament out of my mind. Had one of the 334 00:14:48,760 --> 00:14:52,240 Speaker 1: worst NCAA tournaments I've anyone's ever had, like literally anyone 335 00:14:52,280 --> 00:14:54,600 Speaker 1: in the history of the tournament. I think the San 336 00:14:54,640 --> 00:14:57,640 Speaker 1: Diego State game where he couldn't Uh, they've ran him 337 00:14:57,680 --> 00:14:59,160 Speaker 1: off the three point line and then made him try 338 00:14:59,200 --> 00:15:01,480 Speaker 1: to finish on their shop blockers and it did not 339 00:15:01,520 --> 00:15:03,400 Speaker 1: go well. He was three for nineteen. I think that's 340 00:15:03,440 --> 00:15:06,080 Speaker 1: like the worst case scenario of Brandon Miller. And then 341 00:15:06,120 --> 00:15:07,960 Speaker 1: the other concern I have is that the one game 342 00:15:08,000 --> 00:15:09,880 Speaker 1: that everyone points to as to why he was awesome 343 00:15:10,280 --> 00:15:14,640 Speaker 1: happened against eleven and twenty one South Carolina team. He 344 00:15:14,720 --> 00:15:16,480 Speaker 1: had four and they went to overtime and he had 345 00:15:16,520 --> 00:15:18,720 Speaker 1: forty one points, and everyone's like, that's why he's going 346 00:15:18,720 --> 00:15:20,320 Speaker 1: to be a superstar in the NBA, And I was, like, 347 00:15:20,440 --> 00:15:22,359 Speaker 1: they won eleven games this year's. 348 00:15:23,560 --> 00:15:24,440 Speaker 3: But I do like him. 349 00:15:24,440 --> 00:15:28,080 Speaker 1: I think he's very good. I just think that, like, uh, yeah, 350 00:15:28,240 --> 00:15:29,960 Speaker 1: there are some concerns there, and I think I think 351 00:15:30,000 --> 00:15:31,920 Speaker 1: he's going to be a good NBA player, not a 352 00:15:31,920 --> 00:15:33,880 Speaker 1: great NBA player, Yeah, And. 353 00:15:33,760 --> 00:15:36,840 Speaker 2: Which is kind of like the everyone kind of points 354 00:15:36,880 --> 00:15:38,480 Speaker 2: to Paul George as one of his comps, and I 355 00:15:38,480 --> 00:15:42,280 Speaker 2: think that's definitely the top end because of the silkiness 356 00:15:42,280 --> 00:15:44,840 Speaker 2: in the pull up. But like, here's the thing, Paul George, 357 00:15:44,880 --> 00:15:47,000 Speaker 2: has he ever been a top ten player in the league, Like, 358 00:15:47,040 --> 00:15:49,880 Speaker 2: it's hard to say. And so that that, let's one 359 00:15:49,960 --> 00:15:52,160 Speaker 2: quick follow up. Do you would you have taken Scoot 360 00:15:52,200 --> 00:15:52,960 Speaker 2: Henderson instead? 361 00:15:53,120 --> 00:15:54,720 Speaker 1: I would have Yeah, I love Scoot. I think I 362 00:15:54,760 --> 00:15:59,240 Speaker 1: think Scoots got the I think scoots highest potential is 363 00:15:59,680 --> 00:16:02,360 Speaker 1: better ceiling higher than Brandon Miller's in my mind, because 364 00:16:02,400 --> 00:16:05,920 Speaker 1: I think Scoot is Uh. The reason people seem to 365 00:16:05,920 --> 00:16:07,760 Speaker 1: talk themselves out of Scoot is because he's smaller and 366 00:16:07,760 --> 00:16:09,760 Speaker 1: he's like it feels like guys like him are more 367 00:16:10,200 --> 00:16:12,200 Speaker 1: a dime a dozen and six nine guys that can 368 00:16:12,240 --> 00:16:17,320 Speaker 1: shoot threes so smoothly aren't. But my I'm I'm more. 369 00:16:17,560 --> 00:16:19,720 Speaker 1: That's the reason I like Scooters because I'm more familiar with, 370 00:16:19,760 --> 00:16:21,840 Speaker 1: like seeing a guy like him who's just like explosive, 371 00:16:21,880 --> 00:16:25,200 Speaker 1: a tank that can go to the basket and finish 372 00:16:25,320 --> 00:16:27,360 Speaker 1: through contact and all that sort of that feels more 373 00:16:27,360 --> 00:16:29,680 Speaker 1: familiar to me. So that's the reason I like like. 374 00:16:29,720 --> 00:16:32,920 Speaker 1: Whereas Brandon Miller, it's just like he his game is 375 00:16:32,920 --> 00:16:36,160 Speaker 1: a little he could shoot, but like, I think he 376 00:16:36,520 --> 00:16:38,600 Speaker 1: succeeded this year because you're so much taller and people 377 00:16:38,600 --> 00:16:40,160 Speaker 1: could just rise up and shoot over him. And is 378 00:16:40,200 --> 00:16:42,160 Speaker 1: that gonna be something he's gonna be able to do 379 00:16:42,200 --> 00:16:43,360 Speaker 1: in the NBA consistently? 380 00:16:43,920 --> 00:16:46,680 Speaker 3: I I don't know what McDaniels, let's see what that 381 00:16:46,760 --> 00:16:47,080 Speaker 3: looks like. 382 00:16:47,360 --> 00:16:50,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly exactly so, but he he was. But for 383 00:16:50,040 --> 00:16:52,160 Speaker 1: what I mean, Brandon Miller was was dominant this year. 384 00:16:52,160 --> 00:16:54,320 Speaker 1: It was awesome. But the NCAA Tournament. I just can't 385 00:16:54,320 --> 00:16:55,880 Speaker 1: get that out of my head. Like I'm an old 386 00:16:55,920 --> 00:16:58,240 Speaker 1: school guy. I think the biggest, brightest stage, I want 387 00:16:58,280 --> 00:16:59,920 Speaker 1: to see how good you are. And he was a 388 00:17:00,120 --> 00:17:02,840 Speaker 1: little banged up, but like that, that San Diego State 389 00:17:02,880 --> 00:17:05,119 Speaker 1: game was disgusting. That was just a disgusting game of 390 00:17:05,119 --> 00:17:08,359 Speaker 1: basketball from Brandon. Six turnovers, three for nineteen. 391 00:17:09,119 --> 00:17:11,080 Speaker 3: And just bagically with Paul George stat line to be. 392 00:17:12,760 --> 00:17:15,280 Speaker 1: He got put in like the psychological torture chamber too, 393 00:17:15,280 --> 00:17:17,320 Speaker 1: because it was so obvious with San Diego State was doing. 394 00:17:17,440 --> 00:17:19,280 Speaker 1: There was daring him to take mid range jump shots. 395 00:17:19,280 --> 00:17:22,359 Speaker 1: He wouldn't do it. It was it was just it was. 396 00:17:22,520 --> 00:17:25,840 Speaker 1: It was just a gross display of basketball. And yeah, 397 00:17:26,000 --> 00:17:27,440 Speaker 1: that for that reason, I was like, you can't take 398 00:17:27,440 --> 00:17:29,040 Speaker 1: this guy number two. And then the Hornets were like 399 00:17:29,080 --> 00:17:29,479 Speaker 1: watch this. 400 00:17:31,880 --> 00:17:35,840 Speaker 2: The number one high school prospect in the class of 401 00:17:36,160 --> 00:17:39,600 Speaker 2: twenty twenty two was Derek Lively. He ended up playing 402 00:17:39,640 --> 00:17:42,080 Speaker 2: only about twenty minutes a game for Duke. He did 403 00:17:42,080 --> 00:17:45,720 Speaker 2: have a legendary shot blocking gamer, hit eight blocks can 404 00:17:45,920 --> 00:17:48,240 Speaker 2: he anchor a decent defense in Dallas? 405 00:17:49,400 --> 00:17:52,400 Speaker 1: I think he can eventually. I think he's the Thing 406 00:17:52,400 --> 00:17:55,159 Speaker 1: I love about Derek Lively is that he has a 407 00:17:55,320 --> 00:17:58,280 Speaker 1: very high defensive basketball like you, which is to say 408 00:17:58,280 --> 00:18:00,480 Speaker 1: that like he, he has a good fear for like 409 00:18:00,600 --> 00:18:03,000 Speaker 1: challenging shots and like knowing when guys are gonna go 410 00:18:03,080 --> 00:18:04,720 Speaker 1: up with their shot. He's a really good shot like 411 00:18:04,720 --> 00:18:10,240 Speaker 1: You're great timing, great instincts, super long h and also 412 00:18:10,359 --> 00:18:12,560 Speaker 1: has a has a very high motor, which is underrated 413 00:18:12,600 --> 00:18:15,800 Speaker 1: for young centers. I mean, I think this is I've 414 00:18:15,800 --> 00:18:17,680 Speaker 1: done this exercise with people for but that I'm like, 415 00:18:17,720 --> 00:18:19,880 Speaker 1: think about, like some of the most frustrating basketball players 416 00:18:19,880 --> 00:18:22,800 Speaker 1: you've ever watched in your life, and just make a list. Now, 417 00:18:22,840 --> 00:18:25,320 Speaker 1: look at that list. They're all seventy percent of them 418 00:18:25,359 --> 00:18:27,840 Speaker 1: are probably centers. And the reason they're so frustrating is 419 00:18:27,880 --> 00:18:30,440 Speaker 1: because normal people like you and I Jason watch big 420 00:18:30,480 --> 00:18:32,439 Speaker 1: guys and we lose our minds because we're like, if 421 00:18:32,480 --> 00:18:35,000 Speaker 1: we were that big, we would just be dunking on 422 00:18:35,040 --> 00:18:38,040 Speaker 1: everybody and blocking every shot. And why can't John Drayton, 423 00:18:38,080 --> 00:18:41,800 Speaker 1: why can't you care more? You know, Derek Lively cares. 424 00:18:41,840 --> 00:18:43,560 Speaker 1: He's got a high mode. He's gonna run the floor. 425 00:18:43,560 --> 00:18:47,280 Speaker 1: He's gonna I do think he can. He's got like 426 00:18:47,359 --> 00:18:52,359 Speaker 1: some mechanic issues where like sometimes his rotation is not 427 00:18:52,480 --> 00:18:54,520 Speaker 1: as clean and fluid as I would like it to be. 428 00:18:54,600 --> 00:18:57,680 Speaker 1: But I think he's he's gonna be very very good defensively. 429 00:18:57,720 --> 00:18:59,560 Speaker 1: Now the problem with him is offensively. I know, I'm 430 00:18:59,560 --> 00:19:01,000 Speaker 1: not really sure what he brings to the table at all, 431 00:19:01,000 --> 00:19:03,639 Speaker 1: which is why he didn't put up like eye popping 432 00:19:03,640 --> 00:19:05,760 Speaker 1: stats for why he didn't play a ton for Duke. 433 00:19:06,000 --> 00:19:08,200 Speaker 1: The other issue I have is he does foul a ton. 434 00:19:08,320 --> 00:19:10,760 Speaker 1: I mean he he got in foul trouble like constantly. 435 00:19:10,760 --> 00:19:14,520 Speaker 1: That's a reason he didn't That's that's why his minutes 436 00:19:14,520 --> 00:19:18,920 Speaker 1: were down. I I think he can be that guy now. Now. 437 00:19:19,000 --> 00:19:21,080 Speaker 1: Part of the appeal of a rookie like him is 438 00:19:21,080 --> 00:19:23,119 Speaker 1: that he's not going to come in and try that. 439 00:19:23,119 --> 00:19:25,520 Speaker 1: The MAVs aren't gonna ask him obviously, with the roster 440 00:19:25,640 --> 00:19:26,920 Speaker 1: that they have, They're not going to be like, you're 441 00:19:26,960 --> 00:19:28,480 Speaker 1: our first round pick, you are now the face of 442 00:19:28,520 --> 00:19:31,600 Speaker 1: our franchise. Like some rookies. You know, some rookies get 443 00:19:31,720 --> 00:19:34,320 Speaker 1: that's that's what's expected to them. That's obviously not gonna 444 00:19:34,320 --> 00:19:35,879 Speaker 1: happen with him, and he's gonna be put in a 445 00:19:35,880 --> 00:19:38,800 Speaker 1: position where it's like, just play really hard and play 446 00:19:38,800 --> 00:19:41,280 Speaker 1: the dunker role on offense, and that's all we really 447 00:19:41,280 --> 00:19:43,240 Speaker 1: need out of you. And I think he can excel 448 00:19:43,280 --> 00:19:45,080 Speaker 1: at that. But he's got to he's got to figure 449 00:19:45,080 --> 00:19:47,560 Speaker 1: out how to protect the rim without fouling a little more. 450 00:19:48,119 --> 00:19:50,120 Speaker 1: But I I really really like him, and I think 451 00:19:50,200 --> 00:19:53,280 Speaker 1: Duke's uh like the second half of this Duke season. 452 00:19:53,920 --> 00:19:55,639 Speaker 1: Duke was a little rocky to start the season, but 453 00:19:55,680 --> 00:19:57,719 Speaker 1: the second half, they really really came on and they 454 00:19:57,720 --> 00:19:59,800 Speaker 1: were they were looking really dangerous. They ended up losing 455 00:19:59,840 --> 00:20:02,240 Speaker 1: the in a scene the NCAA tournament, which that game 456 00:20:02,240 --> 00:20:04,639 Speaker 1: barely resembled basketball. That was just a rock fight that 457 00:20:04,640 --> 00:20:09,240 Speaker 1: that uh yeah, yeah, that was just that. I don't 458 00:20:09,240 --> 00:20:12,760 Speaker 1: know that. I rarely cheer for Duke to win a game, 459 00:20:12,800 --> 00:20:14,000 Speaker 1: and by the end of that game, I was like, man, 460 00:20:14,000 --> 00:20:15,399 Speaker 1: I hope Duke wins this because they were getting the 461 00:20:15,400 --> 00:20:17,359 Speaker 1: shit kicked out of him and it felt like it 462 00:20:17,400 --> 00:20:21,760 Speaker 1: wasn't even basketball. Yeah uh, but but Duke. Duke had 463 00:20:21,800 --> 00:20:24,240 Speaker 1: some serious momentum. They were sort of a trendy pick 464 00:20:24,280 --> 00:20:27,040 Speaker 1: for people to win to the NCAA Tournament, honestly, and 465 00:20:27,080 --> 00:20:30,080 Speaker 1: part and a big reason why is because Derek Lively 466 00:20:30,119 --> 00:20:33,400 Speaker 1: had like exploded into the the best certainly the best 467 00:20:33,400 --> 00:20:35,320 Speaker 1: interior defender, if not the best defender in all of 468 00:20:35,320 --> 00:20:37,440 Speaker 1: college basketball. So I think the potential is there. He's 469 00:20:37,440 --> 00:20:40,159 Speaker 1: just gotta he's got to clean up his uh, his 470 00:20:40,240 --> 00:20:44,280 Speaker 1: fouling a little bit and I but but otherwise he's 471 00:20:44,320 --> 00:20:46,239 Speaker 1: he's got great, great instincts for a young big men. 472 00:20:46,280 --> 00:20:48,640 Speaker 2: I think his motor was the first thing that stood 473 00:20:48,680 --> 00:20:51,000 Speaker 2: out to me watching like that dude plays hard. And 474 00:20:51,040 --> 00:20:52,919 Speaker 2: then when you combine that with his mobility, like his 475 00:20:53,000 --> 00:20:54,800 Speaker 2: ability to like come up and show on the level 476 00:20:54,800 --> 00:20:56,560 Speaker 2: of the screen and then spread back into the paint 477 00:20:56,600 --> 00:21:00,720 Speaker 2: to be able to guard the roleman or protect the paint, Like, yeah, 478 00:21:00,920 --> 00:21:01,600 Speaker 2: I see this. 479 00:21:01,920 --> 00:21:02,800 Speaker 3: Let's just put it this way. 480 00:21:02,840 --> 00:21:06,000 Speaker 2: The last time we had a kid with his physical tools, 481 00:21:06,040 --> 00:21:09,880 Speaker 2: motor and like natural defensive instincts, it turned into Nick Claxton, 482 00:21:10,440 --> 00:21:13,280 Speaker 2: who was basically the foundational piece of a really good 483 00:21:13,320 --> 00:21:16,240 Speaker 2: defense there in Brooklyn last year. So, like, I actually 484 00:21:16,280 --> 00:21:18,520 Speaker 2: really liked this pick, But just like with anything else, 485 00:21:18,560 --> 00:21:21,439 Speaker 2: there's also a million guys who kind of came up 486 00:21:21,440 --> 00:21:24,720 Speaker 2: with this type of physical profileists didn't. It just didn't 487 00:21:24,760 --> 00:21:28,119 Speaker 2: materialize into anything. So, but that's the draft. That's the draft. 488 00:21:28,840 --> 00:21:35,800 Speaker 2: Brandon Potzimski. What with the Warriors obviously a little bit 489 00:21:35,800 --> 00:21:38,120 Speaker 2: of a log jam at the guard position already with 490 00:21:38,520 --> 00:21:42,840 Speaker 2: Chris Paul and with Steph Curry Klay Thompson, do you 491 00:21:42,880 --> 00:21:44,679 Speaker 2: think he's someone that can help them right away or 492 00:21:44,720 --> 00:21:46,560 Speaker 2: do you view him as like a future trade vehicle. 493 00:21:46,840 --> 00:21:51,159 Speaker 1: I yeah, like the peel of Pozemski is on the 494 00:21:51,160 --> 00:21:54,800 Speaker 1: Warriors is that. But but I feel like we've done 495 00:21:54,800 --> 00:21:58,040 Speaker 1: this with the Warriors since Stephen Clay exploded into who 496 00:21:58,040 --> 00:22:00,800 Speaker 1: they are, where every single draft pick they get, you're 497 00:22:00,840 --> 00:22:02,919 Speaker 1: just like, oh, that's perfect, that's a perfect that's a 498 00:22:02,920 --> 00:22:06,240 Speaker 1: perfect yeah, or it's like it's great for the rookie 499 00:22:06,280 --> 00:22:08,119 Speaker 1: they just took because now they can now they can 500 00:22:08,280 --> 00:22:09,800 Speaker 1: kind of what I was just saying about lively, where 501 00:22:09,800 --> 00:22:12,600 Speaker 1: like you're not expected to come in and be the guy. Uh. 502 00:22:12,720 --> 00:22:14,480 Speaker 1: I feel like that's what we say about every single 503 00:22:14,680 --> 00:22:16,399 Speaker 1: Warriors pick, and you're just like, oh, that's perfect for 504 00:22:16,440 --> 00:22:17,680 Speaker 1: him because you can just go in and not have 505 00:22:17,760 --> 00:22:20,600 Speaker 1: you can learn behind stuff and play and then when 506 00:22:20,600 --> 00:22:23,320 Speaker 1: it's his time he can be the guy. Uh I 507 00:22:23,480 --> 00:22:25,320 Speaker 1: I I actually don't love it for him because I, 508 00:22:25,720 --> 00:22:30,119 Speaker 1: like you said, there's a logjam at guards. I. He 509 00:22:30,200 --> 00:22:32,640 Speaker 1: was the most polarizing prospect I felt for this draft 510 00:22:32,760 --> 00:22:34,680 Speaker 1: like people I talked to, because he he his feel 511 00:22:34,720 --> 00:22:37,520 Speaker 1: for the game is incredible. So his his story is 512 00:22:37,560 --> 00:22:40,280 Speaker 1: he went to Illinois for a year. He averaged like 513 00:22:40,640 --> 00:22:42,439 Speaker 1: he barely not only was he an afterthought on this 514 00:22:42,480 --> 00:22:45,320 Speaker 1: Illinois team. I don't even know if people even knew 515 00:22:45,359 --> 00:22:46,800 Speaker 1: he was on the Illinois team. I don't even know 516 00:22:46,800 --> 00:22:48,640 Speaker 1: if Brad Underwood knew he was on the Illinois team. 517 00:22:48,640 --> 00:22:51,520 Speaker 1: He's coach at Illinois. Uh. He averaged like one point 518 00:22:51,560 --> 00:22:54,879 Speaker 1: a game. He was putting up Titus stat lines, uh 519 00:22:54,920 --> 00:22:58,400 Speaker 1: for for Illinois transfers to Santa Claire. Doesn't sit out 520 00:22:58,400 --> 00:22:59,879 Speaker 1: a year. There's not like a there's not like some 521 00:23:00,200 --> 00:23:03,280 Speaker 1: like cocoon period where he's like blossom, you know, taking 522 00:23:03,280 --> 00:23:03,920 Speaker 1: his time to. 523 00:23:03,960 --> 00:23:06,920 Speaker 3: Like blocks like six pack potes. 524 00:23:06,960 --> 00:23:10,560 Speaker 1: Yes. Yeah, No, he just like basically just transferred and 525 00:23:10,640 --> 00:23:13,320 Speaker 1: immediately turned into the West Coast Conference Player of the Year. 526 00:23:14,359 --> 00:23:17,399 Speaker 1: Was was was putting up numbers this year for Santa 527 00:23:17,400 --> 00:23:20,919 Speaker 1: Claara that were absurd and you know, it depends on 528 00:23:20,960 --> 00:23:22,120 Speaker 1: how you want to look at it. And that's why 529 00:23:22,119 --> 00:23:24,040 Speaker 1: he's so polarizing because some people were like he was 530 00:23:24,080 --> 00:23:26,840 Speaker 1: being obviously held back at Illinois and he wasn't this, 531 00:23:27,400 --> 00:23:29,479 Speaker 1: he wasn't given a chance to flourish. And like, when 532 00:23:29,520 --> 00:23:31,280 Speaker 1: you put the ball in his hands, let him cook, 533 00:23:31,280 --> 00:23:33,439 Speaker 1: he's gonna be And he's so good. He's got an 534 00:23:33,480 --> 00:23:37,240 Speaker 1: incredible feel for the game. Great catch and shoot guy. Uh. 535 00:23:37,400 --> 00:23:40,119 Speaker 1: I I have more of a pessimistic view, which is, like, 536 00:23:40,200 --> 00:23:43,720 Speaker 1: I I trust that Brad Underwood saw something with his 537 00:23:43,760 --> 00:23:45,800 Speaker 1: ad like his He's not a great athlete. I don't 538 00:23:45,800 --> 00:23:48,240 Speaker 1: think he can keep his shadow in front of him defensively, 539 00:23:49,480 --> 00:23:51,359 Speaker 1: and I'm worried about that because I think like he 540 00:23:51,520 --> 00:23:53,440 Speaker 1: he felt to me like a guy at Santa Claara 541 00:23:53,480 --> 00:23:56,080 Speaker 1: that like, yes, he is really good when he has 542 00:23:56,119 --> 00:23:57,760 Speaker 1: the ball in his hands, but like that's not gonna happen, 543 00:23:58,040 --> 00:23:59,760 Speaker 1: Like what Golden State's not gonna throw him out here 544 00:23:59,760 --> 00:24:01,879 Speaker 1: and be like all right for the next five minutes. 545 00:24:02,680 --> 00:24:05,040 Speaker 1: It's all you, yeah, yeah, You're running all the offense. 546 00:24:05,359 --> 00:24:07,399 Speaker 1: So I think he's gonna be really good as a 547 00:24:07,440 --> 00:24:09,439 Speaker 1: catch and shoot guy for Golden State. I think like 548 00:24:09,640 --> 00:24:11,760 Speaker 1: in certain scenarios where the ball is up in his 549 00:24:11,800 --> 00:24:13,720 Speaker 1: hand light in a shot clock, maybe he can dip 550 00:24:13,760 --> 00:24:15,320 Speaker 1: into some of the magic he had a Santa Flower. 551 00:24:15,480 --> 00:24:19,640 Speaker 1: But he's not a great athlete. He's not I don't 552 00:24:19,680 --> 00:24:22,560 Speaker 1: know how much he's gonna create offense for himself, but 553 00:24:22,600 --> 00:24:24,320 Speaker 1: his feel for the game, Jason, I will say, like 554 00:24:24,359 --> 00:24:27,080 Speaker 1: as much as as much as I, I don't think 555 00:24:27,119 --> 00:24:28,879 Speaker 1: the physical traits are there. I do think that like 556 00:24:28,920 --> 00:24:31,399 Speaker 1: he's got a great IQ and he has a great 557 00:24:31,480 --> 00:24:34,280 Speaker 1: touch from like every spot on the floor, so like 558 00:24:34,400 --> 00:24:36,680 Speaker 1: you can kind of see the vision. But he feels 559 00:24:36,720 --> 00:24:38,439 Speaker 1: a little bit like like I don't think he's anywhere 560 00:24:38,480 --> 00:24:42,320 Speaker 1: close as good as Dante DiVincenzo. And when you think 561 00:24:42,359 --> 00:24:44,359 Speaker 1: about it like that, like Dante DiVincenzo to me was 562 00:24:44,400 --> 00:24:45,960 Speaker 1: a guy that I was really excited about when he 563 00:24:46,000 --> 00:24:47,800 Speaker 1: was coming out of college. And not that he's had 564 00:24:47,800 --> 00:24:50,320 Speaker 1: a bad NBA career, but he's just kinda he's just 565 00:24:50,400 --> 00:24:52,000 Speaker 1: kind of like a throw in for the Warriors, isn't he? 566 00:24:52,000 --> 00:24:53,880 Speaker 1: I mean, does Dante Devens. He's not an integral part 567 00:24:53,880 --> 00:24:55,400 Speaker 1: of what the Warriors are doing. So I don't think 568 00:24:57,040 --> 00:24:58,800 Speaker 1: it's an interesting pick though, because there are people that 569 00:24:58,880 --> 00:25:01,200 Speaker 1: are very very high on him. The Warriors seemed to 570 00:25:01,200 --> 00:25:02,960 Speaker 1: be high him because that's why they took him. I 571 00:25:03,000 --> 00:25:05,000 Speaker 1: felt like they took him a lot earlier than other 572 00:25:05,040 --> 00:25:08,359 Speaker 1: teams might have taken him, So we'll see. I would 573 00:25:08,400 --> 00:25:10,520 Speaker 1: love to be wrong on him, but I saw that 574 00:25:10,560 --> 00:25:12,719 Speaker 1: as like a damn, this is a long term project 575 00:25:12,720 --> 00:25:12,959 Speaker 1: for them. 576 00:25:13,000 --> 00:25:16,520 Speaker 2: I think, well, I think Warriors fans are actually a 577 00:25:16,560 --> 00:25:20,360 Speaker 2: lot more excited about Jackson Davis than they are about Brandon. 578 00:25:20,880 --> 00:25:27,359 Speaker 2: And the entire pitch for the pick is Dante DiVincenzo replacement, 579 00:25:27,480 --> 00:25:31,919 Speaker 2: and what they're looking at there is like great rebounder. 580 00:25:32,040 --> 00:25:35,520 Speaker 2: Dante was an awesome rebounder, someone crash the offensive glass constantly, 581 00:25:35,560 --> 00:25:37,920 Speaker 2: and Brandon averaged something crazy like eight and a half 582 00:25:37,960 --> 00:25:39,960 Speaker 2: rebounds a game or something like that at Santa Clara. 583 00:25:40,440 --> 00:25:43,800 Speaker 2: The thing is is like Dante was a really good athlete, 584 00:25:43,840 --> 00:25:47,800 Speaker 2: like deceptively good athlete, like very very quick, and was 585 00:25:47,840 --> 00:25:51,120 Speaker 2: a good ball pressure guard for Golden State. Like Brandon's 586 00:25:51,160 --> 00:25:53,320 Speaker 2: got short arms, Like he's only got like a six 587 00:25:53,480 --> 00:25:56,879 Speaker 2: four and a half wingspan. That's not doing him many favors. 588 00:25:56,920 --> 00:25:59,440 Speaker 2: He's a great vertical athlete, but he's not super laterally quick. 589 00:25:59,520 --> 00:26:01,320 Speaker 2: I do think I think he'll be actually a little 590 00:26:01,320 --> 00:26:04,440 Speaker 2: bit better offensively than Dante was. He's just a more 591 00:26:04,440 --> 00:26:07,760 Speaker 2: consistent shooter. And then he's got all that weird. The 592 00:26:08,560 --> 00:26:11,199 Speaker 2: cop that I've seen a lot of draft experts throughout 593 00:26:11,240 --> 00:26:13,560 Speaker 2: is D'Angelo Russell, and I definitely saw a little bit 594 00:26:13,560 --> 00:26:15,720 Speaker 2: of that on Taper. Like every bucket he gets in 595 00:26:15,720 --> 00:26:17,760 Speaker 2: the mid rates just looks a little weird, you know 596 00:26:17,800 --> 00:26:21,040 Speaker 2: what I mean? But I do, I do think he'll 597 00:26:21,119 --> 00:26:23,119 Speaker 2: he'll be able to help them a little bit offensively. 598 00:26:23,160 --> 00:26:26,119 Speaker 2: But yeah, like the Dante Devintenzil replacement thing is just 599 00:26:26,160 --> 00:26:28,879 Speaker 2: dead on arrival for me, because not only is he 600 00:26:29,160 --> 00:26:31,600 Speaker 2: not the same type of athlete, but like Dante's had 601 00:26:31,680 --> 00:26:36,080 Speaker 2: years of NBA experience taking on perimmeter defensive assignments, learning 602 00:26:36,160 --> 00:26:38,400 Speaker 2: how to do all of the things that he needed 603 00:26:38,440 --> 00:26:41,600 Speaker 2: to do to be a functional part of an NBA defense. 604 00:26:42,000 --> 00:26:44,600 Speaker 1: He's miles better at, Like Devincenzo is a miles better 605 00:26:44,600 --> 00:26:46,919 Speaker 1: athlete than Pazjemski. But and then the other day, like 606 00:26:47,000 --> 00:26:50,679 Speaker 1: you're making the Russell comparison, Like Russell, I like the 607 00:26:50,680 --> 00:26:52,480 Speaker 1: comparison for a lot of junk to the game and 608 00:26:52,520 --> 00:26:54,200 Speaker 1: the mid rate. Like you said, like every shot feels 609 00:26:54,200 --> 00:26:57,359 Speaker 1: a little weird. But with a guy like that, you 610 00:26:57,400 --> 00:26:59,440 Speaker 1: have to have patience as a fan almost where you're 611 00:27:00,119 --> 00:27:04,400 Speaker 1: willing to let him have the job weird again, doing 612 00:27:04,440 --> 00:27:06,320 Speaker 1: weird shit again, and you're like, I I got it, Like, 613 00:27:06,960 --> 00:27:08,639 Speaker 1: and I think when you go to a team like 614 00:27:08,640 --> 00:27:11,159 Speaker 1: the Warriors, I don't exactly think the Warriors and the 615 00:27:11,240 --> 00:27:13,919 Speaker 1: Lakers and the Celtics and you know, like franchises like that, 616 00:27:14,480 --> 00:27:16,080 Speaker 1: I don't. I'm gonna go ahead and guess if they 617 00:27:16,080 --> 00:27:17,960 Speaker 1: don't exactly have patient fans that are like, oh yeah, 618 00:27:18,040 --> 00:27:20,280 Speaker 1: let's as we're as we have our title window open, 619 00:27:20,359 --> 00:27:23,159 Speaker 1: let's also let this guy like figure out who he 620 00:27:23,240 --> 00:27:25,080 Speaker 1: is at the NBA level. This is awesome. Let's use 621 00:27:25,160 --> 00:27:27,240 Speaker 1: huge minutes of every game to like let this rookie 622 00:27:27,240 --> 00:27:30,080 Speaker 1: figure out who you know, That's not what I'm like, Yeah, yeah, 623 00:27:30,240 --> 00:27:32,320 Speaker 1: that's not gonna happen. So I don't. I don't love it, 624 00:27:32,359 --> 00:27:35,560 Speaker 1: but uh, you know, I I hope it works out 625 00:27:35,560 --> 00:27:37,360 Speaker 1: for him because he was fun to watch this year. 626 00:27:37,640 --> 00:27:38,520 Speaker 1: He was definitely fun. 627 00:27:38,960 --> 00:27:41,000 Speaker 2: We'll find out one way or another, Okay, really quickly 628 00:27:41,080 --> 00:27:42,280 Speaker 2: on this one, because I want to spend a couple 629 00:27:42,280 --> 00:27:46,239 Speaker 2: of minutes on Stephan and Chris Paul, So, uh, are 630 00:27:46,320 --> 00:27:49,040 Speaker 2: Lakers fan's gonna like Jalen Fino? Do you think he 631 00:27:49,080 --> 00:27:50,720 Speaker 2: could run a backup unit in the NBA? 632 00:27:50,960 --> 00:27:51,160 Speaker 3: Yeah? 633 00:27:51,240 --> 00:27:54,160 Speaker 1: Yes, Yes, he's got size, he's his his basketball qu's 634 00:27:54,200 --> 00:27:56,480 Speaker 1: through the roof. If you want to believe in Jalen 635 00:27:56,640 --> 00:27:59,480 Speaker 1: ch Fino, go watch the game at Purdue. His mid 636 00:27:59,520 --> 00:28:01,760 Speaker 1: range game elite, his feel for the game is elite. 637 00:28:02,840 --> 00:28:05,920 Speaker 1: He's obviously got some weaknesses. He's not gonna be uh 638 00:28:05,960 --> 00:28:07,639 Speaker 1: you know, the face of the franchise and and all 639 00:28:07,680 --> 00:28:09,439 Speaker 1: that sort of thing. But yeah, I his pick and 640 00:28:09,520 --> 00:28:13,080 Speaker 1: roll game is for for a for a freshman is absurd. 641 00:28:13,200 --> 00:28:16,040 Speaker 1: And and I I I really really like him. He's 642 00:28:16,040 --> 00:28:17,639 Speaker 1: got a He's not as great as a shooter as 643 00:28:17,680 --> 00:28:19,639 Speaker 1: I'd like him to be, and he's definitely got stuff 644 00:28:19,680 --> 00:28:22,280 Speaker 1: to work on. But uh, I I in the role 645 00:28:22,280 --> 00:28:24,560 Speaker 1: that you're you're saying, Jayson, I think he's gonna be awesome. 646 00:28:24,600 --> 00:28:26,840 Speaker 1: I I do. I I don't know if it's gonna 647 00:28:26,840 --> 00:28:30,119 Speaker 1: be right away, but I think he's he's super super 648 00:28:30,160 --> 00:28:32,280 Speaker 1: mature for a for a nineteen year old. Uh And 649 00:28:32,400 --> 00:28:34,520 Speaker 1: and I watch a lot of lot of terrible nineteen 650 00:28:34,600 --> 00:28:37,320 Speaker 1: year olds play point guard in college basketball. This is 651 00:28:37,320 --> 00:28:39,400 Speaker 1: what I do for a living. And that guy stood 652 00:28:39,400 --> 00:28:42,920 Speaker 1: out to me with how poised and mature and understanding 653 00:28:42,960 --> 00:28:45,560 Speaker 1: of speeds and uh, you know, fast to slow back 654 00:28:45,600 --> 00:28:48,479 Speaker 1: to fast back to you know, just all that kind 655 00:28:48,520 --> 00:28:51,200 Speaker 1: of stuff he was so so good at. And I 656 00:28:51,520 --> 00:28:53,239 Speaker 1: think he's he's gonna play in the NBA as long 657 00:28:53,240 --> 00:28:53,760 Speaker 1: as he wants to. 658 00:28:54,560 --> 00:28:55,920 Speaker 3: Yeah, I I uh. 659 00:28:56,040 --> 00:28:58,560 Speaker 2: He definitely has some issues in pick and roll, Like 660 00:28:58,600 --> 00:29:00,400 Speaker 2: he's not great at making the cross court past. That 661 00:29:00,440 --> 00:29:02,000 Speaker 2: was something that stood out to me. But he's actually 662 00:29:02,040 --> 00:29:03,800 Speaker 2: really good at feeding the role man and he did 663 00:29:03,800 --> 00:29:05,680 Speaker 2: a ton of that with Tray Jackson Davis. So putting 664 00:29:05,760 --> 00:29:08,560 Speaker 2: him alongside Anthony Davis and Lebron and the Lakers use 665 00:29:08,640 --> 00:29:12,000 Speaker 2: those two as screeners constantly, and the real question is 666 00:29:12,000 --> 00:29:14,680 Speaker 2: like can he do what? Can he run picking rolls 667 00:29:14,720 --> 00:29:16,520 Speaker 2: as efficiently as Lonnie Walker did? 668 00:29:16,600 --> 00:29:17,280 Speaker 1: Absolutely? 669 00:29:17,480 --> 00:29:20,280 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, you know, like like Canny canny step in 670 00:29:20,320 --> 00:29:21,920 Speaker 2: and and by the way, like there's a lot of 671 00:29:21,920 --> 00:29:24,360 Speaker 2: focus on his shooting, but he shot over forty percent 672 00:29:24,360 --> 00:29:26,480 Speaker 2: on pull up jumpers last year, so like, yeah, he's 673 00:29:26,480 --> 00:29:29,080 Speaker 2: got some issues with his mechanics and catch and shoot situations. 674 00:29:29,080 --> 00:29:31,960 Speaker 2: But he really does shoot the ball well when he's 675 00:29:32,000 --> 00:29:33,880 Speaker 2: off the bounce, and so can he run bench unit? 676 00:29:33,880 --> 00:29:34,480 Speaker 3: I think he can't. 677 00:29:34,560 --> 00:29:36,320 Speaker 1: I think you can't do. My fear is that they 678 00:29:36,320 --> 00:29:38,520 Speaker 1: put him off the ball more and he's just like 679 00:29:38,960 --> 00:29:40,800 Speaker 1: if he's like if you're putting him in the corner, 680 00:29:40,840 --> 00:29:43,320 Speaker 1: it's like his roles like catch and shoot when Lebron 681 00:29:44,000 --> 00:29:45,960 Speaker 1: draws defenders that he's kicking it out to him Like 682 00:29:45,960 --> 00:29:47,440 Speaker 1: I don't know if I love him in that, but like, yeah, 683 00:29:47,480 --> 00:29:50,600 Speaker 1: playing the second unit, Uh yeah, just go that's my 684 00:29:50,800 --> 00:29:52,719 Speaker 1: that's my homework. For Lakers fans that want to talk 685 00:29:52,800 --> 00:29:56,440 Speaker 1: themselves into Hocha Fino's, go watch the Perdue game. I'm 686 00:29:56,440 --> 00:29:58,680 Speaker 1: sure highlights are on YouTube. They're playing job coverage against 687 00:29:58,720 --> 00:30:01,560 Speaker 1: him with their big centers Zach Edie, and he just diced. 688 00:30:01,720 --> 00:30:03,920 Speaker 1: He was hitting mid range pull up after midrange pull up, 689 00:30:03,920 --> 00:30:05,520 Speaker 1: and it was just it was clinical. That's the only 690 00:30:05,560 --> 00:30:07,640 Speaker 1: word to describe it. And for a freshman point guard 691 00:30:07,640 --> 00:30:09,320 Speaker 1: and a rivalry game on the road, all that sort 692 00:30:09,360 --> 00:30:11,440 Speaker 1: of thing that just doesn't happen at the college level, 693 00:30:11,480 --> 00:30:14,320 Speaker 1: and he was was it was honestly allegend. I will 694 00:30:14,320 --> 00:30:15,680 Speaker 1: remember that game for the rest of my life. And 695 00:30:15,680 --> 00:30:18,680 Speaker 1: I don't say that lightly. So I'm very high on Hochaina. 696 00:30:19,080 --> 00:30:21,320 Speaker 2: I'm gonna have to check that game out later. All Right, 697 00:30:21,360 --> 00:30:23,360 Speaker 2: to the biggest and most important question of the day. 698 00:30:23,880 --> 00:30:27,280 Speaker 2: Uh is it unfair for ESPN to running to be 699 00:30:27,360 --> 00:30:30,760 Speaker 2: running highlight reels of Steph Curry crossing over Chris Paul 700 00:30:31,120 --> 00:30:34,000 Speaker 2: while they're interviewing him about his book and asking him 701 00:30:34,040 --> 00:30:35,560 Speaker 2: questions about the fit with the Warriors. 702 00:30:38,400 --> 00:30:41,120 Speaker 1: I think Chris Paul kind of I don't know, as 703 00:30:41,440 --> 00:30:43,120 Speaker 1: as a guy who doesn't live in the Chris Baul 704 00:30:43,200 --> 00:30:46,240 Speaker 1: universe that much but just dabbles here every so often. 705 00:30:46,600 --> 00:30:49,080 Speaker 1: I will say, I do feel like Chris Paul brings 706 00:30:49,160 --> 00:30:52,200 Speaker 1: a lot of the negative stuff upon himself. I think 707 00:30:52,200 --> 00:30:54,160 Speaker 1: he's there's some about him that's just such an easy 708 00:30:54,200 --> 00:30:56,800 Speaker 1: target for jokes. And like when he was complaining about 709 00:30:56,840 --> 00:30:59,960 Speaker 1: his son getting comments in school about how his dad 710 00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:04,080 Speaker 1: will never win a championship Jason, I was like, get in, Lineman, 711 00:31:04,160 --> 00:31:05,840 Speaker 1: that's that's part of going to junior high. 712 00:31:05,960 --> 00:31:06,400 Speaker 3: Like, I can't. 713 00:31:06,680 --> 00:31:08,280 Speaker 1: I don't know a single person that went to junior 714 00:31:08,320 --> 00:31:09,840 Speaker 1: high they didn't have to deal with their dad getting 715 00:31:09,920 --> 00:31:12,840 Speaker 1: joke like that was that's that's common, Like at least 716 00:31:12,840 --> 00:31:14,600 Speaker 1: you're at least his dad is playing in the NBA, 717 00:31:14,680 --> 00:31:19,320 Speaker 1: and its crazy, you're like many out how many dads 718 00:31:19,320 --> 00:31:22,240 Speaker 1: are like in prison or like working like shitty jobs 719 00:31:22,240 --> 00:31:23,760 Speaker 1: that like you know that they're getting clowned at the 720 00:31:23,840 --> 00:31:25,880 Speaker 1: lunch table every day by the by the rest of 721 00:31:25,920 --> 00:31:28,000 Speaker 1: the group. So uh, stuff like that. I think he 722 00:31:28,080 --> 00:31:29,880 Speaker 1: just brings it upon him. There's some about him that's 723 00:31:29,920 --> 00:31:32,040 Speaker 1: just like so easy to pick on. But uh, what, 724 00:31:32,040 --> 00:31:33,400 Speaker 1: what are your thoughts on the trade? Like is this 725 00:31:33,600 --> 00:31:36,080 Speaker 1: I felt like this was a perfect This is a 726 00:31:36,080 --> 00:31:38,840 Speaker 1: perfect NBA trade to me because I think the Warriors 727 00:31:38,840 --> 00:31:42,120 Speaker 1: are demonstrably better. I think, uh, obviously, the Warriors are 728 00:31:42,160 --> 00:31:43,840 Speaker 1: one of the brands that that pop in the NBA, 729 00:31:44,640 --> 00:31:46,360 Speaker 1: and and so for for a team like that to 730 00:31:46,440 --> 00:31:48,600 Speaker 1: get they are, I think they're a better basketball team 731 00:31:48,600 --> 00:31:50,360 Speaker 1: than they were before the trade, and it's gonna be 732 00:31:51,040 --> 00:31:54,320 Speaker 1: awesome to watch them now try to go after another championship. 733 00:31:54,320 --> 00:31:56,360 Speaker 1: But I bet, but this obviously isn't a deal like 734 00:31:56,480 --> 00:31:59,080 Speaker 1: Durant going to the Warriors, where it's like, yes, one 735 00:31:59,080 --> 00:32:01,160 Speaker 1: of the team's got one of the contenders, just got better. 736 00:32:01,520 --> 00:32:03,360 Speaker 1: But now the league's kind of ruined because we all 737 00:32:03,360 --> 00:32:06,120 Speaker 1: know what's going to happen. It's not there's still question 738 00:32:06,200 --> 00:32:08,280 Speaker 1: marks on how they're gonna fit. And and for that reason, 739 00:32:08,440 --> 00:32:10,560 Speaker 1: it's like a perfect trade because it's it's sexy enough 740 00:32:10,600 --> 00:32:13,200 Speaker 1: to talk yourself into, like are the Warriors now should 741 00:32:13,240 --> 00:32:16,160 Speaker 1: they be favored against the Nuggets? But then you also 742 00:32:16,160 --> 00:32:18,360 Speaker 1: see the path where it's like I, as is always 743 00:32:18,400 --> 00:32:20,000 Speaker 1: the case, every time Chris Paul joins a new team, 744 00:32:20,000 --> 00:32:22,200 Speaker 1: you say, there's only one ball and could Chris Paul 745 00:32:22,320 --> 00:32:25,120 Speaker 1: be the point god while at the same time letting 746 00:32:25,120 --> 00:32:27,480 Speaker 1: Steph Curry do everything he does? Well? Can they both 747 00:32:27,600 --> 00:32:31,280 Speaker 1: do that? It's fascinating, Oh, it absolutely is. 748 00:32:31,360 --> 00:32:34,600 Speaker 2: I think I think in general, when we see trades 749 00:32:34,680 --> 00:32:37,200 Speaker 2: like this, there's there's the obvious side of it, and 750 00:32:37,240 --> 00:32:38,920 Speaker 2: then there's the more complex side of it. So it's 751 00:32:38,920 --> 00:32:41,680 Speaker 2: like the Bradley Beal trade. It's like, does trading Chris 752 00:32:41,720 --> 00:32:43,920 Speaker 2: Paul and Landry Shamit for Bradley Beal make you better? 753 00:32:44,040 --> 00:32:45,360 Speaker 3: Obviously? You know what I mean? 754 00:32:45,440 --> 00:32:48,680 Speaker 2: Does this flipping Jordan Poole, one of the worst defensive 755 00:32:48,680 --> 00:32:50,680 Speaker 2: guards in the league and a guy that was super 756 00:32:50,680 --> 00:32:54,480 Speaker 2: inconsistent offensively for a more steady backup guard. Does that 757 00:32:54,520 --> 00:32:57,959 Speaker 2: make the Warriors better? Obviously, and the case for it. 758 00:32:58,000 --> 00:33:01,400 Speaker 2: The two elements that I look at is one they 759 00:33:01,440 --> 00:33:03,960 Speaker 2: had a like they were plus forty seven in the 760 00:33:04,000 --> 00:33:06,600 Speaker 2: playoffs with Steph on the floor and minus forty nine 761 00:33:06,640 --> 00:33:09,280 Speaker 2: when he was off. So it's about managing the Steph 762 00:33:09,320 --> 00:33:12,440 Speaker 2: off minutes, which totally makes sense to me too. These 763 00:33:12,440 --> 00:33:14,959 Speaker 2: are some crazy numbers that I found on Synergy. Steph 764 00:33:15,000 --> 00:33:17,680 Speaker 2: Curry ran pick and roll in about the pick and 765 00:33:17,760 --> 00:33:19,960 Speaker 2: roll or ISO on about sixty three percent of his 766 00:33:20,040 --> 00:33:22,760 Speaker 2: play types in the regular season, but that number shot 767 00:33:22,800 --> 00:33:25,280 Speaker 2: way up to seventy two percent in the postseason, which 768 00:33:25,280 --> 00:33:27,840 Speaker 2: is natural. Like in the playoffs, they scout your sets, 769 00:33:28,760 --> 00:33:31,560 Speaker 2: your sets don't work as effectively a lot of late 770 00:33:31,640 --> 00:33:34,920 Speaker 2: clock situations where you're bailing out possessions or just you 771 00:33:35,000 --> 00:33:36,920 Speaker 2: saying screw it, let's just run high, pick and roll 772 00:33:36,920 --> 00:33:39,000 Speaker 2: time and time again. And so I think Chris Paul 773 00:33:39,280 --> 00:33:41,880 Speaker 2: gives them that added dimension to their offense in those 774 00:33:41,920 --> 00:33:45,160 Speaker 2: particular situations. But again I just look back at the 775 00:33:45,160 --> 00:33:47,600 Speaker 2: team wide thing and the use of the asset, like 776 00:33:48,120 --> 00:33:53,800 Speaker 2: did Phoenix really need another right high pick and roll 777 00:33:53,800 --> 00:33:56,240 Speaker 2: shot creator or would they have been better off moving 778 00:33:56,280 --> 00:33:58,680 Speaker 2: assets for like real athletes, kind of like what the 779 00:33:58,720 --> 00:34:00,880 Speaker 2: Lakers did, Like, let's bring back a bunch of dudes 780 00:34:00,920 --> 00:34:02,680 Speaker 2: who do the dirty work, and let's see if that 781 00:34:02,800 --> 00:34:05,680 Speaker 2: helps my Lebron James and Anthony Davis core bring us 782 00:34:05,680 --> 00:34:07,880 Speaker 2: over the top. Like there's a question over the use 783 00:34:07,880 --> 00:34:09,799 Speaker 2: of the asset for Phoenix. The same thing goes for 784 00:34:09,840 --> 00:34:12,320 Speaker 2: Golden State, Like would you have been better off taking 785 00:34:12,400 --> 00:34:16,200 Speaker 2: Jordan Poole's big salary slot and moving him for multiple 786 00:34:16,840 --> 00:34:19,640 Speaker 2: useful front court players for a team that's been super 787 00:34:19,680 --> 00:34:21,600 Speaker 2: small and that that's kind of the way that I 788 00:34:21,600 --> 00:34:24,560 Speaker 2: look at it. It's no doubt Golden State's gonna be better. 789 00:34:24,719 --> 00:34:26,600 Speaker 2: There will be multiple times next year, where as a 790 00:34:26,600 --> 00:34:28,680 Speaker 2: Warriors fan, you're gonna be glad you had Chris Paul 791 00:34:28,760 --> 00:34:32,440 Speaker 2: instead of having Jordan Poole. But like, in a bigger picture, 792 00:34:32,520 --> 00:34:33,960 Speaker 2: was it the right use of the asset? That's kind 793 00:34:34,000 --> 00:34:34,520 Speaker 2: of where I'm at. 794 00:34:34,680 --> 00:34:37,279 Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree, that's that. But for me, as like 795 00:34:37,280 --> 00:34:40,200 Speaker 1: a neutral NBA observer, I think that's what makes it 796 00:34:40,239 --> 00:34:42,080 Speaker 1: a fun trade is because we don't really know and 797 00:34:42,120 --> 00:34:45,000 Speaker 1: the trades that happen where you're immediately like, damn, this 798 00:34:45,040 --> 00:34:49,000 Speaker 1: team just became a juggernaut and the rest the rest 799 00:34:49,000 --> 00:34:50,920 Speaker 1: of the league is crewed, or like, Okay, so this 800 00:34:50,960 --> 00:34:53,879 Speaker 1: team's obviously going to be a disaster next year. Those 801 00:34:53,880 --> 00:34:55,960 Speaker 1: aren't quite as fun because we kind of already know 802 00:34:55,960 --> 00:34:58,520 Speaker 1: where we're headed. And the Warriors, I don't think it's 803 00:34:58,560 --> 00:35:00,919 Speaker 1: obvious either way, and it's gonna be They're not gonna 804 00:35:00,960 --> 00:35:03,520 Speaker 1: be bad obviously, Like it's not like they're gonna bottom out. 805 00:35:03,560 --> 00:35:05,719 Speaker 1: I don't mean to say that, but uh yeah, you 806 00:35:05,760 --> 00:35:07,440 Speaker 1: could talk yourself into like the Warriors should be the 807 00:35:07,480 --> 00:35:10,600 Speaker 1: favorite to win the title now, or you could be like, well, well, 808 00:35:10,920 --> 00:35:13,320 Speaker 1: we'll have to see, like for all the reasons you mentioned, 809 00:35:13,320 --> 00:35:15,680 Speaker 1: like is it a roster that makes one hundred percent sense? 810 00:35:16,480 --> 00:35:17,880 Speaker 1: Time will tell, we will see. 811 00:35:18,280 --> 00:35:21,319 Speaker 2: I admire I admire the fortitude of them being like 812 00:35:21,400 --> 00:35:23,040 Speaker 2: this group can do it, this group can do it, 813 00:35:23,120 --> 00:35:25,160 Speaker 2: and that that bet has paid off for them in 814 00:35:25,200 --> 00:35:27,200 Speaker 2: the past, it paid off for them in twenty twenty two. 815 00:35:27,200 --> 00:35:29,919 Speaker 2: They they have a reason to feel confident in them 816 00:35:30,200 --> 00:35:30,920 Speaker 2: the way that they do. 817 00:35:31,120 --> 00:35:33,000 Speaker 1: For what it's worth too, Like I do go back 818 00:35:33,000 --> 00:35:34,520 Speaker 1: to like every time, like I said earlier, every time 819 00:35:34,600 --> 00:35:36,040 Speaker 1: Chris Paul joins a new team, I'm like all right, 820 00:35:36,480 --> 00:35:39,120 Speaker 1: there's one ball. How is this gonna work with you know, 821 00:35:39,800 --> 00:35:41,200 Speaker 1: if him and Steph are on the floor at the 822 00:35:41,200 --> 00:35:43,680 Speaker 1: same time. Obviously Steph can play off the ball. But like, 823 00:35:43,680 --> 00:35:45,840 Speaker 1: like I said, like you want Chris Paul to be 824 00:35:45,960 --> 00:35:48,279 Speaker 1: if you want to maximize Chris Paul and maximize Steph Curry, 825 00:35:48,320 --> 00:35:50,200 Speaker 1: can they both happen with both of them on the 826 00:35:50,200 --> 00:35:52,839 Speaker 1: floorida the same time. I don't know, But we said 827 00:35:52,880 --> 00:35:55,160 Speaker 1: all that about Chris Paul and James Harden and I 828 00:35:55,160 --> 00:35:57,600 Speaker 1: think people because of who those two guys are, and 829 00:35:57,640 --> 00:35:59,200 Speaker 1: they're so easy to make fun of and they're so 830 00:35:59,239 --> 00:36:02,160 Speaker 1: easy to to rip on that you look back on 831 00:36:02,200 --> 00:36:04,359 Speaker 1: their time as Houston and consider it a failure because 832 00:36:04,360 --> 00:36:06,880 Speaker 1: they didn't ever make the finals. That was a success, 833 00:36:06,920 --> 00:36:09,160 Speaker 1: Like that team figured it out. They were very very good. 834 00:36:09,160 --> 00:36:13,680 Speaker 1: They should have They had to direct, they were close, 835 00:36:13,800 --> 00:36:15,920 Speaker 1: they were disclose. So I think if you look back 836 00:36:15,960 --> 00:36:19,000 Speaker 1: on that quote unquote experiment and say, obviously, having two 837 00:36:19,080 --> 00:36:20,919 Speaker 1: guys that are that want the ball in their hands 838 00:36:20,920 --> 00:36:23,359 Speaker 1: at all times to do what they do, and that 839 00:36:23,360 --> 00:36:25,520 Speaker 1: can't work with Chris Paul and someone else who needs 840 00:36:25,520 --> 00:36:28,080 Speaker 1: the ball like it can We saw it work with 841 00:36:27,600 --> 00:36:30,360 Speaker 1: the Rockets it just didn't work to the extent that 842 00:36:30,480 --> 00:36:33,400 Speaker 1: like a lot of brain dead morons that consume basketball 843 00:36:33,480 --> 00:36:35,600 Speaker 1: think it has to work to be success, which is 844 00:36:35,600 --> 00:36:37,840 Speaker 1: that you have to win a championship. Otherwise you're a failure. 845 00:36:38,640 --> 00:36:40,200 Speaker 1: That team was good, That team was good enough to 846 00:36:40,200 --> 00:36:43,120 Speaker 1: win a title. It just sometimes in basketball, you missed 847 00:36:43,120 --> 00:36:44,440 Speaker 1: twenty seven straight threes, Jason. 848 00:36:44,480 --> 00:36:48,160 Speaker 2: Sometimes, yeah, sometimes it happens. And there's there's no doubt 849 00:36:48,160 --> 00:36:50,000 Speaker 2: that the play styles are weird. I shared the stat 850 00:36:50,000 --> 00:36:51,879 Speaker 2: with call it, but like, the Warriors ran a pick 851 00:36:51,880 --> 00:36:53,800 Speaker 2: and roll in twenty four percent of their play types 852 00:36:54,120 --> 00:36:56,959 Speaker 2: during the regular season last year, which was dead last 853 00:36:57,000 --> 00:36:59,400 Speaker 2: in the league, and Chris Paul ran it on seventy 854 00:36:59,400 --> 00:37:01,680 Speaker 2: seven percent of his play types, which was number one 855 00:37:01,719 --> 00:37:02,800 Speaker 2: in the entire league. 856 00:37:02,600 --> 00:37:03,320 Speaker 3: Out of all the players. 857 00:37:03,320 --> 00:37:06,040 Speaker 2: So there's definitely like some fit stuff. But just like 858 00:37:06,080 --> 00:37:09,239 Speaker 2: with the Houston thing, we always underestimate the power of 859 00:37:09,320 --> 00:37:11,719 Speaker 2: like just smart basketball players figuring it out. 860 00:37:11,840 --> 00:37:12,440 Speaker 1: They just do. 861 00:37:12,800 --> 00:37:15,359 Speaker 2: They just find a way more often than not. All right, 862 00:37:15,400 --> 00:37:17,400 Speaker 2: we are officially out of time, but Mark, this was 863 00:37:17,960 --> 00:37:20,319 Speaker 2: a blast, man. I hope we can work together a 864 00:37:20,360 --> 00:37:22,959 Speaker 2: couple more times this summer to help kill the time 865 00:37:23,120 --> 00:37:26,960 Speaker 2: between the seasons. I really appreciate you coming on one 866 00:37:27,040 --> 00:37:28,840 Speaker 2: last note for everybody listening, We're gonna be doing a 867 00:37:28,880 --> 00:37:31,960 Speaker 2: Mailbag episode either Wednesday or Thursday this week, depending on 868 00:37:32,000 --> 00:37:34,520 Speaker 2: whether or not Damian Lillard finally comes forward and demands 869 00:37:34,520 --> 00:37:38,880 Speaker 2: a trade, but drops some questions for the mail Bag 870 00:37:39,000 --> 00:37:41,480 Speaker 2: in the comment section, and we will hit them later 871 00:37:41,480 --> 00:37:43,160 Speaker 2: this week. As always, I appreciate you guys, and we 872 00:37:43,200 --> 00:38:08,080 Speaker 2: will see you tomorrow. The volume