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Speaker 1: Hey, there're folks. It is Monday, March second, and we

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Speaker 1: just got our first full briefing about the war in

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Speaker 1: Iran from the administration, and with that, welcome to this

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Speaker 1: episode of Amy and TJ. We will kill you Robes.

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Speaker 1: That was kind of that's a direct quote, by the way,

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Speaker 1: from this press conference, which included a lot of bravado.

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Speaker 2: Yes, the quote that kind of stood out to me

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Speaker 2: that I found myself jotting down to remember. Instead of

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Speaker 2: death to America, death to Israel, it's now death from America,

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Speaker 2: death from Israel. I thought that was fairly dramatic and

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Speaker 2: right back at them, We're.

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Speaker 1: Going to kill you. And if you don't know, now

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Speaker 1: you know that's a direct quote, folks. That is not

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Speaker 1: me making up a line. He said that it saw

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Speaker 1: almost like a rap battle was going on to a

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Speaker 1: certain degree with some of the language we're not used

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Speaker 1: to hearing. Some people will applaud yet, yes, we need

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Speaker 1: to project strength. Others will have a different opinion. But Pete,

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Speaker 1: he sat along with the chair of the Joint Chiefs

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Speaker 1: of Staff just finished moments ago as of this recording,

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Speaker 1: and Robes. This was a big deal for them having

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Speaker 1: a press conference. There's been dribs and drafts, and even

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Speaker 1: the President has put out some information, but this was

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Speaker 1: the first time that we got a full briefing on

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Speaker 1: the war in Iran and they took questions.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but the questions we should just point out for

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Speaker 2: those of you who don't remember, remember that thing a

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Speaker 2: couple months ago where if you didn't sign this pledge

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Speaker 2: that you weren't going to report anything out of the

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Speaker 2: Pentagon unless the Pentagon was aware and approved your reporting.

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Speaker 2: If you didn't sign that pledge, you weren't allowed into

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Speaker 2: the Pentagon briefing room. So yeah, the folks who were

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Speaker 2: asking questions, we started looking up when they named where

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Speaker 2: they were from. They were all from conservative leaning, right

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Speaker 2: actually be I don't want to say difficult to answer,

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Speaker 2: but ver serial or at least questioning in a way

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Speaker 2: that we're used to hearing media. Members of the media

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Speaker 2: question and administration, especially after a declaration.

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Speaker 1: Of war, and you know some will tell you, no,

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Speaker 1: excuse me, the administration will tell you that the questions

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Speaker 1: coming at them should be in support of America and

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Speaker 1: support of our troops. How dare you question us at all?

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Speaker 1: That's been kind of the mindset Robes, and at least

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Speaker 1: for the reporters that did introduce where they were from.

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Speaker 1: We literally had to google what is that news outlet?

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Speaker 1: And yeah, they're right wing outlets, and that's fine. They

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Speaker 1: can be legitimate journalists working for those outlets. But to

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Speaker 1: your point, Robes, it's it's it's pretty clear, yes, this

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Speaker 1: is what the administration wanted and what Pete Hegseth might

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Speaker 1: been in this game a long time, Robes, and you

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Speaker 1: got to have certain questions asked, and you have to

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Speaker 1: have some pushback. And the press is in there representing

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Speaker 1: the questions that Americans want to be answered. And I

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Speaker 3: It was different, but they were.

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Speaker 2: And I mean, I'll say it, but the role of

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Speaker 2: the media is not to continue to disseminate what the

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Speaker 2: administration wants you to disseminate, or to be pro America

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Speaker 2: at all costs. The role of the media in a democracy,

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Speaker 2: And yes, this is what we're hearing from our administration,

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Speaker 2: then it is the role of the media at that

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Speaker 2: point to question that, to push for transparency, not to

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Speaker 1: But that's the price of admission these days into the

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Speaker 1: Pentagon briefing room and getting to ask a question is

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Speaker 1: to be America first, and to only toe the line

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Speaker 1: and put out the information that comes out of Pete

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Speaker 1: Hexa's mouth and to take his word for it. Yes,

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Speaker 1: we did see this preefing what it went about forty

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Speaker 1: again robes, I think it might be shifting, but I

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Speaker 1: American people. We saw this start with the President. He

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Speaker 1: we're going back to the ogs of the Supreme Leader

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Speaker 1: to essentially now build a case for why we are

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Speaker 1: but for over fifty years. And Hegseth seemed to continue

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I did ask you towards the end of this

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Speaker 2: either in President Trump's remarks when he made that video

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Speaker 2: say we will never pursue a nuclear weapon. Did anything

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Speaker 2: else precipitate this this military action other than we're fed

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Speaker 2: up with the negotiations.

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Speaker 3: And the answer is I don't think.

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Speaker 1: So that's what they're giving us. I mean, that's we

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Speaker 1: listened very closely to every word that came out of

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Speaker 1: knocked down. So they're saying, we want to make sure

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Speaker 1: we heard before. Oh you caught it. You caught it

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Speaker 1: Robes when he said the point of last summer's twelve

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Speaker 3: Operation Iron Hammer, Midnight Hammer was.

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Speaker 1: To wipe out their nuclear capability. President Trump, how many

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Speaker 1: times do we hear the word obliterated?

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Speaker 3: Obliterated?

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Speaker 1: Heg saith and this one seems to contradict how effective

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Speaker 2: Uh, Yes, because that is the justification that we need

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Speaker 2: why the need then for this operation that wasn't asked?

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Speaker 3: In a follow up, he.

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Speaker 1: Put it this way. The justification Robes three things now,

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Speaker 1: to destroy their missile capability, to destroy their navy, and

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Speaker 1: also no nuclear weapons. He then he put it in

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Speaker 1: We have to destroy these things so they can't use

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Speaker 1: of a nuclear weapon, which we obliterated their ability to

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Speaker 3: Yeah, the two can't actually coexist.

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Speaker 2: And someone had to have exaggerated words at some point

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Speaker 3: Now that do you call it the umbrella of protection?

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Speaker 3: I think that was the word he used, and so yes.

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Speaker 1: He kept throwing that one.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, the one, the one moment actually that even got

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Speaker 2: contentious again among right linging leaning media members. But someone

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Speaker 2: asked about the objectives, and he said, did you not

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Speaker 1: Yeah? It was, and there was a tone okay, fine.

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Speaker 2: Can you imagine if the mainstream media was there, because

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Speaker 2: those were very calm and uh, I don't want to

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Speaker 2: say easy questions, but questions that were almost prompting. Heg

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Speaker 3: So the one time she asked something.

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Speaker 2: He he uh, he was quick to respond.

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Speaker 1: Okay, it was sarcastic, it was condescending, it was okay, whatever.

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Speaker 1: Some people don't have a problem with that, but we

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Speaker 1: are just not used to seeing these types of briefings

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Speaker 1: in this type of language, in this type of tone

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Speaker 1: at a time of war. But some plenty will applaud

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Speaker 1: what we saw. He did make a point Rodes and

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Speaker 1: saw Hakeem Jeffreys on this morning and they're starting to

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Speaker 1: use that term regime change war, regime change war, and

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Speaker 1: he tried to, at least on a couple of occasions,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he said, this is not a so called regime

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Speaker 2: change war, but the regime sure did change.

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Speaker 1: Boom bike drop, it was. It was. It was that

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Speaker 1: kind of moment. And that's true. However, the president did

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Speaker 1: he not in his opening statement, Yes, tell the Iranian people,

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Speaker 2: Yes, and we specifically targeted and took out their leader,

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Speaker 2: a very targeted objective of this mission from the beginning,

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Speaker 2: So that was a little confusing. Also, the other thing

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Speaker 3: So I'm confused.

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Speaker 2: We go in, we take out your leader, we bomb

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Speaker 3: I just thought that was interesting.

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Speaker 2: That's that's the hill he was really gonna die on,

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Speaker 2: like we are not into nation building because we know

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Speaker 2: that's very anti Republican like that, that's not typically what

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Speaker 1: But none of us have much of a stomach for that, Rhodes,

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Speaker 1: given all we have going on in this country, given

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Speaker 1: oh yes, I'll keep forgetting that we're in a shutdown.

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Speaker 1: We just stay in shutdowns to almost forgot and world,

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Speaker 1: we don't have a stomach for seeing this. Once again

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Speaker 1: the water from us, literally here, what are we doing there?

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Speaker 1: What are we building? What resources are going towards that?

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Speaker 1: Now here we are. They tried to, and you know

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Speaker 1: what it did con continguous the idea how long is

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Speaker 1: this going to last? Weeks? Five weeks? He was He

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Speaker 1: seemed to get a little annoyed when people were questioning

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Speaker 1: the timeline and any idea that this is a protracted war.

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Speaker 2: Yes, because he said, we're not going to tell you

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Speaker 2: or how long we plan to be there.

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Speaker 3: I get it.

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Speaker 2: He could have probably said that a little bit differently.

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Speaker 2: But look, everyone's remembering the pottery barn rule. If you

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Speaker 2: break it, you buy it, you own it. So if

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Speaker 2: we go in there and we and we tear everything down,

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Speaker 2: and we take out the leader, and we take out

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Speaker 2: way of governing, what's left and how would we just leave?

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Speaker 2: Yes, and thankfully we can talk about it in those

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Speaker 1: We shouldn't they said, they're all stable, like all doing

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Speaker 3: She didn't say who it was. It was a female reporter.

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Speaker 1: And he had a long kind of an answer for it.

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Speaker 1: And I don't know what publication, what outlet this woman

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Speaker 2: Obviously they've orchestrated who is in the room, who gets

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Speaker 2: to have the final question be a beautiful, poignant wrap

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Speaker 1: Just.

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Speaker 3: It just seemed unusual for that's all wrap up like

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Speaker 1: Nice, So what are we expecting what's next for today? Actually,

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Speaker 1: Well, folks, we just wanted to hop on give you

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