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Speaker 1: Wake that ass up in the morning. The Breakfast Club morning.

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Speaker 2: Everybody is the e j en Vy, Jesse, Larry Schelamane

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Speaker 2: the guy. We are the Breakfast Club. We have our

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Speaker 2: sister Angela arrived with us this morning. Yes, indeed, have

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Speaker 2: we got a special guest in the building, Governor Josh Shapiro.

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Speaker 1: Welcome, Good morning.

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Speaker 3: How you feeling this morning?

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Speaker 1: Good morning, good working hard, feeling good.

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Speaker 3: You're not related to Ben Shapiro, are you?

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Speaker 1: Hell? No, man? Every so often, you know when he

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Speaker 1: says some crazy thing, we gotta go tweet. Hey, just

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Speaker 1: a reminder, I'm not related.

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Speaker 4: To Okay, you know, I have a short list of

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Speaker 4: people who I would like to see, you know, run

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Speaker 4: for president one day, and you are on that list.

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Speaker 3: Is that something you have aspirations of doing? Now?

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Speaker 1: Look, first off, I appreciate that you take some note

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Speaker 1: of the work we're doing in pencil man like sincerely,

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Speaker 1: it means a lot to me. I'm all in for

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Speaker 1: Joe Biden, and I think this is a moment where

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Speaker 1: we've had some conversations. You've, you know, candidly, you've pushed

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Speaker 1: the party, You've pushed others to maybe think about some

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Speaker 1: things that we hadn't thought about in the past. But

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Speaker 1: we're locked and this is a binary choice between Donald

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Speaker 1: Trump and Joe Biden. I'm gonna do everything in my

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Speaker 1: power to make sure Joe Biden gets elected. I hear listen.

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Speaker 1: I hear the conversation, I hear the chatter, I hear

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Speaker 1: the noise. I'm humbled by it, truly, But honestly, I

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Speaker 1: don't wake up at night in the middle of night

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Speaker 1: thinking about it. I wake up in the middle of

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Speaker 1: night thinking about the work I'm doing for Pennsylvania, the

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Speaker 1: work I got to do as governor. And I think

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Speaker 1: if you stop thinking about that, if you stop thinking

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Speaker 1: about your responsibilities, then you don't serve the people at Pennsylvania. Well,

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Speaker 1: and that's my focus.

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Speaker 3: If we still have a democracy in twenty twenty eight,

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Speaker 3: would you think about it.

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Speaker 1: Well, we are going to have a democracy twenty eight.

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Speaker 1: We sure are, and listen. I love public service. I

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Speaker 1: was raised in a home where faith and family played

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Speaker 1: a central role. My faith calls me to service. It's

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Speaker 1: the really I think. The work I do every day

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Speaker 1: is to try and help others. There's a teaching in

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Speaker 1: my faith. No one's required to come complete the task,

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Speaker 1: but neither are we free to refrain from it, Meaning

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Speaker 1: each of us has a responsibility get off the sidelines,

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Speaker 1: getting the game, do our part. I love public service,

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Speaker 1: I want to keep doing it, and I want to

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Speaker 1: continue to serve as governor of Pennsylvania.

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Speaker 2: Before we get into the questions, how did you get here?

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Speaker 2: How did you get into public service? What made you

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Speaker 2: say this is something I want to do. Was it

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Speaker 2: something that was done wrong by your family? What got

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Speaker 2: you to this position? Is said I want to run

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Speaker 2: in this crazy politics game.

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Speaker 1: You know, Look, I grew up in a comfortable, middle

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Speaker 1: class home. My mom a school teacher. She was a

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Speaker 1: my siblings, since she was an educator later in her life.

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Speaker 1: My dad was just like the local pediatrician, the local

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Speaker 1: baby doc, and they were very focused on helping others.

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Speaker 1: And also, as I said before, you know, Charlotte Mane,

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Speaker 1: faith played a really central role in our lives. Every

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Speaker 1: my wife and I continued to do for our kids today,

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Speaker 1: grounding us in our faith and our faith that teaches

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Speaker 1: us to go out and work for others grow up

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Speaker 1: thinking I wanted to be in politics. I certainly en

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Speaker 1: grow up thinking I was ever going to be governor.

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Speaker 1: But I did grow up thinking I had a responsibility

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Speaker 1: to others. I had work I needed to do for others.

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Speaker 1: My parents instilled that in me in an early age.

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Speaker 1: It wasn't until later in life, actually in college, where

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Speaker 1: I thought it was gonna be a doctor like my dad,

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Speaker 1: the basketball team there got cut from the basketball team.

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Speaker 1: Both things happened in the exact same day, and I

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Speaker 1: So that's how it happened for me. You played, well,

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Speaker 1: Hell yeah, I still do, dude, I do have game.

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Speaker 1: Here's the thing you got to understand. I'll talk I'd

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Speaker 5: But when I a young T shirt dude, I do

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Speaker 5: have game.

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Speaker 1: When we put a hoop in at the governor's residence. Actually,

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Speaker 1: when I was younger, I was quick, but the game

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Speaker 1: I could see things happening. Problem now, being fifty years

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Speaker 1: I'm not very good.

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Speaker 2: But if you get injured now, it's no longer a

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Speaker 2: data to recover now it's like months.

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Speaker 1: And my wife, every time I go out and play,

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Speaker 1: she'll go, don't get hurt. I'm like, how about, hey,

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Speaker 1: I have a good.

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Speaker 5: Game score, like, just don't get protect it, And.

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Speaker 1: Actually I do. I'm sorry, I mean talk everything. I

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Speaker 1: do feel a sense of accomplishment when I get through

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Speaker 1: the game and I don't get hurt. One of the

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Speaker 1: most enjoyable things I do is going to a rec

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Speaker 1: then talking to them and like hearing their struggles, hearing

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Speaker 1: what's on their mind, hearing their frustration you're in, their

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Speaker 1: worry about their safety you're in there. You know, the

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Speaker 1: fact breaks my when some of them, you know, kind

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Speaker 1: of talk about how they feel like nobody's out looking

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Speaker 1: out for Yeah, I think it matters to their governor

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Speaker 1: shows up and actually spends some time with them, listens

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Speaker 1: to them, and you know, frankly learns a lot from you.

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Speaker 2: Seem like the governor that has the arm brace, the

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Speaker 1: Is that you No, that's not me. That's not me.

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Speaker 1: I don't wear the high socks. I still got kids

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Speaker 1: who keep me reasonably cool, not well cool. It might

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Speaker 6: One of the things that we know shapes public policy

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Speaker 6: often are the things that we see on TV. There's

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Speaker 6: Abbott Elementary. It's the one show I'm going to watch religiously. Yes,

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Speaker 6: And of course Quincy Brenton is creator. You talked about

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Speaker 6: your mother being a public school teacher. How influential has

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Speaker 6: that shows? How has that been for you given your

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Speaker 6: own connection to the public school system. Of course, you

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Speaker 6: to go towards basic education in Pennsylvania.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Look, I'm proud of as governor that we fought

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Speaker 1: hard and successfully got done the largest increase in public

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Speaker 1: I did that being the only governor in the entire

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Speaker 1: Congress of the United States, they don't get a whole

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Speaker 1: for that. I think what Abbot Elementary means to me

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Speaker 1: of different for everybody is it shows the struggles, it

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Speaker 1: shows the inequities, but it also shows the love that

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Speaker 1: these teachers, that these these administrators have for these kids

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Speaker 1: and the love that kids have back. And I think,

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Speaker 1: isn't that the story of so many schools that you know,

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Speaker 1: these kids being able to do well, these teachers being

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Speaker 1: able to do well despite the fact the government hasn't

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Speaker 1: always been there for them in an equitable manner. That's

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Speaker 1: one of the biggest challenges we're facing in Pennsylvania, which

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Speaker 1: is not just the dollars that go to school, which

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Speaker 1: is important, right, and I'm proud of the money we

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Speaker 1: put in, but the distribution formula. And I hate to

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Speaker 1: to make sure that the dollars are flowing to the

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Speaker 1: big priorities this year, is not just increasing budgets, but

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Speaker 1: making sure we're getting it to the schools that need

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Speaker 1: it most, the schools that have been historically underfunded, the

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Speaker 1: schools where kids are really struggling to get by. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I'll give you just a concrete example of this. It's

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Speaker 1: not just the dollars he writ to school, but I

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Speaker 1: got too many kids learning who were learning on empty bellies.

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Speaker 1: I mean, you think about yourself. You can't do this

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Speaker 1: have big problems that I fought hard and successfully got

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Speaker 1: universal free breakfast for kids. And I had you know,

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Speaker 1: some people say, well, kids should eat at home. Well,

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Speaker 1: you know what, there are some kids who can eat

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Speaker 1: Same thing with mental health. I know that's a huge

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Speaker 1: issue for you. It's been a big issue for me.

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Speaker 1: I campaigned on it. I talk about every day. We

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Speaker 1: fund just to allow schools to hire mental health counselors,

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Speaker 1: have mental health resources online for kids. We got to

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Speaker 1: solve these problems for our kids, and we've got to

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Speaker 1: drive the dollars out in a more equitable way so

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Speaker 1: students have a shot. I believe in making sure Pennsylvania

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Speaker 1: to chart their own course and the opportunity to succeed.

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Speaker 1: That starts in our classrooms.

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Speaker 6: How would you grade your current levels of equitable distribution?

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Speaker 6: We're talking about school So if those natural to grade

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Speaker 6: you on this, how would you grade it currently when

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Speaker 6: you look at the schools that are getting the resources

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Speaker 6: they need versus those that aren't.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think we're making progress, but we got a

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Speaker 1: lot more work to do, and quite frankly, I think

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Speaker 1: we get an incomplete grade. And let me explain why

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Speaker 1: our appellate Court in Pennsylvania ruled the year ish ago

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Speaker 1: maybe a year and a half ago. At this point,

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Speaker 1: we have an unconstitutional education system. And in effect, they said,

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Speaker 1: we have an unconstitutional education system because number one, we're

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Speaker 1: not investing enough, and number two, we're not driving the

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Speaker 1: dollars out in an equitable manner. So we're beginning to

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Speaker 1: claw back on the investment. This year, I got to

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Speaker 1: make some progress on how we drive those dollars out.

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Speaker 1: And so I think it's a fair question you're asking.

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Speaker 1: I'd like to be able to come back to you

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Speaker 1: in a year or two or three and answer it

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Speaker 1: with a letter grade based on the progress that we're making.

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Speaker 1: After that court decision, I had.

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Speaker 2: A question about some of the gun violence. I hear

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Speaker 2: a lot in Pennsylvania. What's being done to make sure

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Speaker 2: we slow that down or even stop that? And I

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Speaker 2: see I see a lot of drug use in Pennsylvania.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I'm seeing all over the country, but I

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Speaker 2: do see a lot in parts of Brooklyn.

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Speaker 3: I see it.

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Speaker 2: I see parts of in Philly where it is almost

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Speaker 4: I agree with all of the investmentship making and mental

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Speaker 1: Say, I think police officers need to be properly trained.

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Speaker 6: Then, you know, the thing that's interesting about police officers

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Speaker 5: We have our natural stereotypical pieces.

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Speaker 6: So somebody's you know, driving they got tened windows or

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Speaker 1: You're seeing a real, you know, real excellence in black

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Speaker 1: Probably the most important decision I made during my campaign,

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Speaker 4: How do you train somebody's natural biases? Though, because you

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Speaker 3: Could be home a vote. You don't know. How do

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Speaker 3: You have a thought about a social emotion of learning

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Speaker 1: No big time, big time. I mean, listen, there is

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Speaker 3: Let me ask you a question.

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Speaker 2: So I'm reading it now and it says Pennsylvania is

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And to be clear, if you're going to conceal carry,

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Speaker 4: of the probation reform yeah with Meek mil the clean

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Speaker 4: Slate three point zero, Can you talk to those and

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Speaker 4: the criminal justice from can you talk to.

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Speaker 1: It's been a big priorty mind. You know, you might

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Speaker 1: think it's sort of strange. Hey, way, a guy who

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Speaker 1: is a prosecutor is also now leading an effort on

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Speaker 1: criminal justice reform and second chances. Look, I believe I

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Speaker 1: think I said this before, Giangela. I think Pennsylvania needs

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Speaker 1: to be a place. I think America needs to be

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Speaker 1: a place where everybody's got the freedom to chart their

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Speaker 1: own course. The opportunity to succeed starts in our classrooms.

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Speaker 1: It goes through our small businesses. For some, it goes

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Speaker 1: through a union trade hall. For others, it goes to

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Speaker 1: the military. We got to create economic opportunity for people,

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Speaker 1: but for those that we fail, for those who didn't

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Speaker 1: get a chance, for those who get caught up in

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Speaker 1: the criminal justice system. We also have to have a

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Speaker 1: heart that believes in second chances. And I do the

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Speaker 1: legislation historical legislation that I worked on with Meek, that

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Speaker 1: I worked on with others in the legislature who did

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Speaker 1: incredible work on this, folks like Jordan Harris, Joanna McClinton,

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Speaker 1: Tony Williams, and others. It says what our values are

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Speaker 1: in Pennsylvania that we're forgiving, that we believe in second chances,

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Speaker 1: that we want to make sure you can get back

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Speaker 1: up on your feet and get a shot to start

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Speaker 1: your small business, go on your kids, you know, school,

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Speaker 1: you know trip, whatever it may be. And I couldn't

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Speaker 1: have been more proud and frankly more emotional to sign

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Speaker 1: those bills into laws. So now we wipe out that's

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Speaker 1: the clean slave part, wipe out part of or some

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Speaker 1: of your prior offenses to give you a chance to

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Speaker 1: get back up on your feet. We basically cap the

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Speaker 1: amount of time you can be on probation. Look, Meek

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Speaker 1: brought attention to this by virtue of the fact that

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Speaker 1: he was having technical violations that were landing him back

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Speaker 1: in prison. People literally aren't breaking the law, they are

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Speaker 1: not committing another crime, and then they were being sent

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Speaker 1: back to jail because of these technical violations. That's crazy.

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Speaker 3: He was trying to school.

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Speaker 1: Yes, so that is now that has now been addressed.

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Speaker 1: We've got these what I'd call sort of a soft cap,

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Speaker 1: an opportunity for those not to end up behind bars,

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Speaker 1: not to end up not being able to provide for

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Speaker 1: your family. This really really meaningful stuff. And by the way,

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Speaker 1: Meek deserves a lot of credit here, and I've become

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Speaker 1: really good friends over a number of years. We've had

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Speaker 1: a lot of raw and honest conversations. And if he

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Speaker 1: wasn't willing to put himself out there and share of

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Speaker 1: himself and be vulnerable, which is not something any of

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Speaker 1: us like to do, and certainly he didn't like to do.

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Speaker 1: But as a result of him being out there, he's

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Speaker 1: helping a whole lot of people whose names are not

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Speaker 1: Meek Mill, who aren't famous, who don't have, you know,

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Speaker 1: audiences necessarily with the governor, with other elected officials, And

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Speaker 1: I think Pennsylvania is a more just place because of

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Speaker 1: his contributions and the hard work of many of us.

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Speaker 6: You talked about being all in for Joe Biden, and

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Speaker 6: of course, last week there was some groundbreaking news, historical

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Speaker 6: news that came out with our former president having thirty

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Speaker 6: four criminal indictments. A lot of folks have been talking

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Speaker 6: about the need for Joe Biden to pardon Donald Trump

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Speaker 6: if that were to come up with the federal cases.

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Speaker 6: What is your posture on that, given the fact that

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Speaker 6: you are responsible for balancing a divided state legislature.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Well, first off, just I'll be a legal nerd

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Speaker 1: here for a second. I'm sorry, sorry to do that,

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Speaker 1: but he was convicted in a state court, so any

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Speaker 1: pardon Joe Biden could give wouldn't matter because federal charges, right,

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Speaker 1: that'd be a federal charge, and who knows if they're

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Speaker 1: ever going to come to fruition prior to the election.

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Speaker 1: Here's what I think we need to remember, you know,

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Speaker 1: for his challenges, our system can be sometimes. This was

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Speaker 1: a case that was decided by twelve ordinary Americans. Twelve

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Speaker 1: of Donald Trump's fellow Americans heard all this evidence, they

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Speaker 1: considered the law as presented to them, they made sure

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Speaker 1: that they were diligent in their deliberations, and they found

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Speaker 1: unanimously thirty four times that he broke the law. And

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Speaker 1: I think, you know, whatever your politics are, with you

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Speaker 1: like Donald Trump, don't like Donald Trump, we have to

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Speaker 1: respect the process. I've seen the process up close again

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Speaker 1: as Attorney General, for all of its flaws. Jury's work

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Speaker 1: and jury's need to be respected in our system, and

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Speaker 1: so I think the jury should have Obviously, he's got

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Speaker 1: to write to appeal, He'll have his appeals, He'll be

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Speaker 1: heard by other courts. But I think the work of

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Speaker 1: jury's needs to be respected.

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Speaker 5: Here, it sounds like that's a no.

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Speaker 6: So I'm a pivot and say you've talked about again

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Speaker 6: being all in for Joe Biden. One of the things

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Speaker 6: that I think Lenard brings up often that is important

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Speaker 6: is there's a lot of attention placed on what we

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Speaker 6: don't like about Donald Trump, that he's a threat to

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Speaker 6: dem all the things that are said. What are the

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Speaker 6: things that make you all in for Joe Biden.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Look, I think there's a clear contrast, and there's

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Speaker 1: a lot of reasons to be against Donald Trump. But

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Speaker 1: I really think, and this is why I've always run,

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Speaker 1: you got to provide people with an affirmative view on

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Speaker 1: both what you've accomplished and where you want to take them.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Right, And so I think if you look at the

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Speaker 1: body of work that Joe Biden has done, and I

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Speaker 1: see this as governor, I mean there's a lot I'm

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Speaker 1: doing as governor as a result of the help Joe

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Speaker 1: Biden's given. I think there's no question in this election

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Speaker 1: Joe Biden is better for Pennsylvania, and I would say

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Speaker 1: better for Americans. I mean, look from infrastructure, y'all saw

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Speaker 1: when I ninety five collapsed and we got that reopened

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Speaker 1: in twelve days after they said it was going to

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Speaker 1: take months. Joe Biden paid for that. He was on

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Speaker 1: the phone with me over and over and over again

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Speaker 1: making sure the full force of the federal government was there.

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Speaker 1: That's a big infrastructure project that we all saw. Here's

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Speaker 1: one you probably haven't seen. There's a tiny town called

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Speaker 1: Esplin just outside in the Pittsburgh a thousand or so people,

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Speaker 1: predominantly African American community. They've been drinking water out of

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Speaker 1: their lines filled with lead for generations. Joe Biden gave

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Speaker 1: a damn about changing out our pipes in that community.

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Speaker 1: And now that mom can turn on the tap and

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Speaker 1: not worry, there are kids getting poisoned with lead. That's

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Speaker 1: not a sexy thing, that's not something that's you know,

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Speaker 1: y'all are probably talking about on the show. But like

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Speaker 1: that's meaningful. So when we talk about infrastructure, all the

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Speaker 1: stuff Joe Biden's done on infrastructure, that's a concrete example

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Speaker 1: of something that is helping people live healthier lives in

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Speaker 1: a community that's oftentimes been ignored or forgotten. And yet

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Speaker 1: you can look at all the indicators right, particularly when

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Speaker 1: it comes to opportunity in the opportunity economy, we are

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Speaker 1: seeing unemployment at historically low rates, We're seeing small business

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Speaker 1: startups on fire, We're seeing real opportunity come all across Pennsylvania.

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Speaker 1: I realize that those stats sort of don't vote, and

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Speaker 1: I realized times it's hard to feel those stats, and

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Speaker 1: it's incumbent upon the President and me and others to

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Speaker 1: kind of turn those stats into real world accomplishments. And

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Speaker 1: that's certainly something that I plan to do and something

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Speaker 1: I know the Biden campaign will continue to do.

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Speaker 4: So why don't they lean on, you know, and I've

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Speaker 4: said this before, on more people like you to deliver

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Speaker 4: this messaging because their messaging sucks. And like, I'm not

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Speaker 4: even in Pennsylvania, but I know a lot of the

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Speaker 4: great things that you've done, so clearly your messaging is

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Speaker 4: getting out there.

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Speaker 3: Why is their messaging so bad?

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Speaker 1: I think we live in a really tough media ecosystem

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Speaker 1: where you got to be on every platform, talking every

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Speaker 1: every different way, whether it's a newspaper, whether it's on

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Speaker 1: the breakfast club, you name it, and I think it's

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Speaker 1: incumbent upon them to make sure that message is getting

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Speaker 1: shared by more people. Than just the president and vice president.

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Speaker 1: She's a hell of a gifted, you know, communicator, But

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Speaker 1: they got to rely on others, whether you know it's

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Speaker 1: me or We got some amazing governors right well, think

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Speaker 1: Wes Moore, Gretchen Whitmer, Gavin Andy, but Sheerman. We got

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Speaker 1: incredible governors doing really really good work rely on us,

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Speaker 1: and certainly we're going to continue to talk about that

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Speaker 1: on every medium we can.

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Speaker 4: You think the Trump conviction is going to cause political

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Speaker 4: retaliation in the courts, like even jury's selection beginning of

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Speaker 4: the day and the Hunter and Biden try.

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Speaker 3: Do you think that it would be a tit for

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Speaker 3: tat type thing?

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Speaker 1: I want to say no, because I believe in the system.

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Speaker 1: And no, no, I'm not trying to bullshit you. I mean, like,

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Speaker 1: I really believe in this system.

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Speaker 4: Do you believe in that that other party, well, the

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Speaker 4: MAGA version of that party.

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Speaker 1: It is my hope that judges, juries, prosecutors, defense attorneys

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Speaker 1: will ultimately do the right thing, which is just simply

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Speaker 1: file the facts, file the evidence, and render a fair judgment.

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Speaker 1: What scares me about Donald Trump is the way he

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Speaker 1: wants to weaponize our justice system and use it against

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Speaker 1: his enemy. They've said it the way he says literally,

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Speaker 1: he wants to be a dictator. Let me ask you, you

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Speaker 1: don't have to be a great student of history, No,

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Speaker 1: I mean, think about all the dictators that have lived

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Speaker 1: throughout history. You know how many minority groups do well

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Speaker 1: under a dictator. Not many, right, minorities get screwed when

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Speaker 1: there are dictators. And Donald Trump has promised to be

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Speaker 1: a dictator. This guy's extremist. He is dangerous. He is

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Speaker 1: someone who is out there to exact revenge. We don't

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Speaker 1: do well when that happens. And so I think, while

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Speaker 1: I believe in the system, and that's why I kind

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Speaker 1: of pause when you ask that. Not that I was

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Speaker 1: trying to bide your question, but I want to believe

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Speaker 1: in the system, but I'm scared to death if he's

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Speaker 1: in charge of the system and the way he might

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Speaker 1: try and use it to exact revenge. Well, you sued

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Speaker 1: Donald Trump before, right many times.

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Speaker 2: Twenty seventeen was the biggest one.

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Speaker 1: Every time. Listen, when I was a train of general,

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Speaker 1: I sued him over the Muslim band. I sued him

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Speaker 1: over so many different things, and one nearly every time.

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Speaker 1: And then during the twenty twenty election, he and his

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Speaker 1: cronies sued us forty three times in Pennsylvania, first to

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Speaker 1: stop certain people from being able to vote. Let's be honest,

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Speaker 1: they weren't trying to stop people who look like me

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Speaker 1: from being able to vote. And then after those votes

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Speaker 1: were counted, they sued to stop those votes from being

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Speaker 1: After those votes were cast, pardon me, they sued to

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Speaker 1: stop those votes from being counted forty three times. Let

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Speaker 1: me tell you.

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Speaker 6: Something that's a lot of tat.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I went forty three and oh, and he went

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Speaker 1: oh and forty three. The rule of law held. And

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Speaker 1: that's I think why I kind of I kind of

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Speaker 1: pause when you asked that question, Because this system has held.

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Speaker 1: I just think now he's a greater danger. I mean,

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Speaker 1: he is a clear and present danger. But it's also

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Speaker 1: different are the number of judges he's put on courts

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Speaker 1: that can affect the outcome of these cases. Whereas in

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Speaker 1: the past, the rule of law held, but you had

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Speaker 1: judges who were willing to do the right thing, Republican

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Speaker 1: and Democrat. Now this is a different breed of judges

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Speaker 1: that are out there. And I'm afraid that he's you know,

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Speaker 1: he's the impact is you know that he can have

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Speaker 1: to infect our justice system is really dangerous for everybody.

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Speaker 5: The federal case in Miami is a perfect example of this.

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Speaker 6: You know this this case is now just suspended in

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Speaker 6: thin air indefinitely because it's a Trump appointee. But you

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Speaker 6: talked about this system holding and I think it's so important.

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Speaker 6: I think again, going back to something Leonard says that

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Speaker 6: I get mad at, but I think he's right. You

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Speaker 6: have to be able to Sorry, Yes, that's what his

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Speaker 6: mom and name.

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Speaker 1: By the way, I saw y'all on CNN maybe a

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Speaker 1: month or two ago, and when she called you Leonard

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Speaker 1: like that, she kind of gave you the side eye.

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Speaker 1: At the same time you, I saw you sort of

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Speaker 1: lean back. Yeah.

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Speaker 6: But the system, and so I think for people of

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Speaker 6: color in particular, you said we don't do well under dictatorships.

666
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Speaker 6: There's not a whole lot of systems, even when we

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Speaker 6: help to build them, that we do well under.

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Speaker 5: Not This is not a Trump endorsement.

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Speaker 6: Let me be very clear, because people are slow sometimes

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Speaker 6: That's not what I'm saying. But we have to be

671
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Speaker 6: able to say where the holes are, where our blind

672
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Speaker 6: spots are, and talk about the dangers of Donald Trump.

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Speaker 6: We have to be able to say that right now.

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Speaker 6: We are working on justice reform because there are problems.

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Speaker 6: Juries don't always get it right, prosecutors don't always get

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Speaker 6: it right, public defenders don't always get it right. And

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Speaker 6: so where do you find the balance in critiquing the

678
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Speaker 6: system that you so believe in right and saying this

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Speaker 6: is an absolute no.

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Speaker 5: But let me tell you where we can improve.

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Speaker 1: Okay, let me give you a concrete example, so it's

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Speaker 1: not just theoretical.

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Speaker 5: Also the forty three times you need to say that more.

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Speaker 5: I don't think a lot. I didn't know that, and

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Speaker 5: I think a.

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Speaker 6: Lot of it.

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Speaker 5: Right, It's that's powerful.

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Speaker 6: Especially name it because I'm not trying to give you

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Speaker 6: political strategy on their which is strategy. But the Fulton

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Speaker 6: County case, it goes right hand in hand with what

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Speaker 6: happened in Fulton County.

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Speaker 5: So you should use that. Tell the you know, the

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Speaker 5: bis say.

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Speaker 3: Black, don't say people that don't look like me say

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Speaker 3: black and crown.

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Speaker 1: Yeah exactly, Okay, I need to go right, people don't

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Speaker 1: look like it. Now, that's fair, that's you understood my point.

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Speaker 1: But I'll be crisper in my words. I do believe

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Speaker 1: in the system, but I also know the system is flowed.

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Speaker 1: Let me give you a concrete example, and I saw

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Speaker 1: this up close and personal. I realize you're trying to

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Speaker 1: you're giving examples where you might have a lawyer, a judge,

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Speaker 1: whatever with a bias, and that certainly happens. But what

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Speaker 1: I routinely saw where there was a breakdown, where there

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Speaker 1: was an injustice done, is where someone didn't have access

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Speaker 1: to legal counsel, where a defendant was showing up in

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Speaker 1: court basically with one arm tied behind their back because

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Speaker 1: they have a good lawyer. And when you look at

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Speaker 1: poor defendants or indigent defendants, the problem in Pennsylvania is

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Speaker 1: even worse. We were one of only two states in

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Speaker 1: the whole country when I took office that did not

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Speaker 1: provide funding for indigen defense public defenders. I campaigned on

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Speaker 1: the idea of changing that, and in my first year

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Speaker 1: as governor, again divided legislature, we brought Republicans and Democrats

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Speaker 1: to to get this done. We lost that distinct and

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Speaker 1: now we fund our public defenders because my view is

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Speaker 1: if you got a fair fight right, then that's a

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Speaker 1: big part of making sure that the system works. Still

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Speaker 1: got to deal with bias. You still got to deal

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Speaker 1: with personalities things like that, but you got to at

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Speaker 1: least start with that fair fight. And now we are

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Speaker 1: beginning to have that in Pennsylvania by virtue of the

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Speaker 1: funding for indigen defense. That's a concrete example, and that

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Speaker 1: also says to someone maybe who has never been involved

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Speaker 1: in this system, Hey, I can have a little bit

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Speaker 1: more faith in this process. I can have a little

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Speaker 1: bit more faith in how the system's work. And I'm

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Speaker 1: proud of that. I want people to look at government

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Speaker 1: as a positive, progressive force for good in their lives.

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Speaker 1: And no matter whether you look like me or a

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Speaker 1: white guy or black eye, you look at it and say, hey,

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Speaker 1: you know, I'm gonna get a fair shot. And I

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Speaker 1: know that there are too many people right now that

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Speaker 1: don't feel that way, and so every day I'm trying

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Speaker 1: to chip away and make it just a little bit better.

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Speaker 1: So work in progress.

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Speaker 3: Another thing that you do that I love.

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Speaker 4: You know, in regard to message and you have the

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Speaker 4: community text number, Yeah, well, people who have questions in commons,

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Speaker 4: do you read all those texts?

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Speaker 1: I read a lot of them. I'd be lying if

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Speaker 1: I told you I read them all and I get

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Speaker 1: sort of my team give me a you know, a

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Speaker 1: sampling and by the way, good ones, bad ones, ones

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Speaker 1: with questions, one where someone got help, one where someone

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Speaker 1: didn't get help. Uh, and we're constantly working to change. Look,

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Speaker 1: I think in government there should be no wrong door

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Speaker 1: to reach your elected representaves, your governor, your mayor, your representive,

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Speaker 1: you name it. We shouldn't have to force the public

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Speaker 1: to bend toward the way we do it. We need

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Speaker 1: to bend toward that. And so if they want to

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Speaker 1: text me, great, I'm going to listen. It's another reason

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Speaker 1: why I don't just stand up at you know, the

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Speaker 1: press conference in front of the podium with the CEO,

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Speaker 1: the whole thing. I do some of that, but I

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Speaker 1: also will go on TikTok or Instagram and do a

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Speaker 1: live with someone about the very topic that I'm fighting

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Speaker 1: for and reach people where they are. And that's Look,

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Speaker 1: I'm not here blow smoke, but like, that's one of

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Speaker 1: the reasons why I think you all have been so successful.

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Speaker 1: You're reaching people where they are. You're talking about topics

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Speaker 1: that matter to them, not that you're not forcing them to,

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Speaker 1: you know, sort of bend to what on your mind.

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Speaker 1: You're in touch with where the community is. And I

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Speaker 1: think whether it's on the radio, whether it's on TikTok,

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Speaker 1: whether it's in the newspaper, you got to meet people

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Speaker 1: where they are. And that's what I'm focused on doing

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Speaker 1: every day.

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Speaker 3: That's why I think it's so important.

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Speaker 4: What about critique in the party, Like at a Democrat,

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Speaker 4: what do you think they're getting wrong right now?

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Speaker 3: In this moment.

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Speaker 1: I think Democrats gave up on rural communities across America,

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Speaker 1: certainly across Pennsylvania, got too damn elite and started erecting

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Speaker 1: artificial barriers to entry. And I'm trying to rip away

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Speaker 1: those artificial barriers to entry and show up in these communities.

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Speaker 1: Let me give you a couple concrete points. My first

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Speaker 1: day in office, literally my first full day, I signed

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Speaker 1: an executive order doing away with the college degree requirement

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Speaker 1: for state jobs in government. Ninety two percent of our

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Speaker 1: state jobs. That's sixty seven thousand jobs that now you

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Speaker 1: wouldn't need a college degree for. And by the way,

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Speaker 1: in the years since I've done that, sixty percent of

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Speaker 1: our new hires don't have a college degree. Why do

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Speaker 1: I bring that up? There was an artificial barrier to entry.

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Speaker 1: It was shutting people out for no damn good reason. Sure,

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Speaker 1: you know, if you're gonna be a lawyer, we want

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Speaker 1: you to have a law degree. If you're gonna be

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Speaker 1: a doctor work in the state, we want you to

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Speaker 1: have a medical degree. But beyond that, like you shouldn't

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Speaker 1: have these artificial barriers. And I think what our party

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Speaker 1: has done too much over the last generation is we've

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Speaker 1: erected these barriers and said to certain people, we don't

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Speaker 1: want you in the conversation. So I'm trying to do

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Speaker 1: away with that. We've also said to certain communities, we're

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Speaker 1: not only not showing up, we don't give a damn

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Speaker 1: about you. Let me tell you something. I show up

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Speaker 1: in these royal communities, I talk to folks, I listen,

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Speaker 1: I deliver for them, and the election results show that they're,

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Speaker 1: you know, happy with the work I'm doing. But I

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Speaker 1: think what it also has shown me, and I'm always

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Speaker 1: learning as an elected official, is actually, you go to

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Speaker 1: one of these conservative royal communities, or you go to

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Speaker 1: one of these more whatever progressive urban communities, everybody basically

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00:37:54,200 --> 00:37:56,520
Speaker 1: wants the same thing. It's four things. They want a

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Speaker 1: good school for their kids, right. They want safe communities,

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Speaker 1: they want ecno I'm an opportunity. They don't want anybody

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Speaker 1: fucking with their freedom, you know. They want you to

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Speaker 1: protect their freedoms. And we have too many people right

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Speaker 1: now losing freedoms, losing opportunity, and instead, I think I'm

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Speaker 1: trying to bring people together, Republican and Democrat alike, to

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Speaker 1: focus on those four things. And we're making progress so

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Speaker 1: that I can give a speech in Philly, and I

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Speaker 1: can give a speech in rural of Venango County. I

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Speaker 1: can go and have a picnic in a rural community

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Speaker 1: last week and go to the roots picnic this weekend

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Speaker 1: and say the same thing to everybody. And I think

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Speaker 1: that level of consistency we have not always shown in

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Speaker 1: a party, that way of showing up, that way of

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Speaker 1: erecting artificial barriers to stop entry. That's been a problem

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Speaker 1: for our party, and we're trying to change that in Pennsylvania.

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Speaker 4: So I have a Democrat. What do you think Republicans

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Speaker 4: are getting right?

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Speaker 1: Right? I think it's a hard question because I think

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Speaker 1: think you have to separate out kind of that Trump

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Speaker 1: wing of the party from you know, sort of the

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Speaker 1: common sense Republicans. Many of whom I deal with in Pennsylvania, uh,

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Speaker 1: every day. I think they understand effectively the importance of

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Speaker 1: creating economic opportunity and communities that have been left behind.

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Speaker 1: I think they understand. I think I understand this as well.

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Speaker 1: But you asked me about their party. They understand that

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Speaker 1: oftentimes providing capital addresses an issue way better than some

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Speaker 1: big program that takes a long time to set up

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Speaker 1: and then ultimately doesn't work. I think those are some

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Speaker 1: areas where you know, I respect the work that you

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Speaker 1: know some Republicans in Pennsylvania are doing right now.

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Speaker 3: We appreciate you for joining us. Oh, I got I

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Speaker 3: got a couple of questions.

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Speaker 1: Shake your head.

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Speaker 3: I don't know. Oh, now, just listen it.

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Speaker 4: So that said, why do you think why do you

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Speaker 4: think MAGA supporters? Well, back to what you said, So,

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Speaker 4: why don't more Republicans that are I guess of sound mind.

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Speaker 4: How come more of them aren't standing up against MAGA?

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Speaker 4: Why are you just letting a succumb to MAGA.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, first off, I understand why you're using

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Speaker 1: that term. I don't use that term MAGA. I think

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Speaker 1: in many ways it's actually disrespectful to the voters. Who

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Speaker 1: believe in in that stuff, but we'll agree to kind

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Speaker 1: of disagree on that it is.

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Speaker 4: But it is a difference between traditional conservative yeah values

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Speaker 4: and what we're seeing.

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Speaker 1: Now one hundred percent. What I don't understand is just

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Speaker 1: look at the sort of election data, and again I

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Speaker 1: keep coming back to Pennsylvania because it's what I know best.

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Speaker 1: Donald Trump wins Pennsylvania by forty four thousand votes in

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Speaker 1: twenty sixteen. Since that time, Donald Trump has lost Pennsylvania

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Speaker 1: in twenty twenty, and every single one of Trump's offspring,

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Speaker 1: including the guy I beat for governor, right, they've all

860
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Speaker 1: lost every election. And in addition that they've lost branches

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Speaker 1: of government at the federal level. They've lost ground in Pennsylvania,

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Speaker 1: they've lost in other you know, swing states. I don't

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Speaker 1: get why they keep following this guy and following the

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Speaker 1: approach he brings, following his extremism, because like, even if

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Speaker 1: you believe it, I think most of them don't believe

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Speaker 1: it because they're frankly, they're just weak cowards that are afraid,

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Speaker 1: and so they just sort of go along with him.

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Speaker 1: But it's also just not a winning formula if you

869
00:41:22,200 --> 00:41:26,040
Speaker 1: look at who's winning, you know, it's me, it's Gretchen Whitler,

870
00:41:26,200 --> 00:41:29,640
Speaker 1: it's Wes Moore, it's Andy Basheer, it's Gavin it's people

871
00:41:29,680 --> 00:41:32,920
Speaker 1: that are doing common sense things in these states. And

872
00:41:33,160 --> 00:41:38,080
Speaker 1: go look at the swing states Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, Michigan, Arizona, Georgia.

873
00:41:38,239 --> 00:41:41,560
Speaker 1: I mean, you're seeing Democrats win there on common sense

874
00:41:41,600 --> 00:41:46,120
Speaker 1: messages and you're seeing the extremist Donald Trump clones losing there.

875
00:41:46,400 --> 00:41:48,440
Speaker 1: So why they keep following this guy? I just don't know.

876
00:41:48,520 --> 00:41:49,640
Speaker 1: It doesn't make any sense.

877
00:41:49,920 --> 00:41:52,160
Speaker 4: So so on a national level, what does it say

878
00:41:52,160 --> 00:41:55,680
Speaker 4: about the Democratic Party that you've got MAGA supporters who

879
00:41:55,719 --> 00:41:58,120
Speaker 4: are still passionate about Trump and they don't care if

880
00:41:58,120 --> 00:42:00,719
Speaker 4: he's been convicted, they don't care if if he says

881
00:42:00,800 --> 00:42:02,799
Speaker 4: racist things, actually don't care about none of that. What

882
00:42:02,840 --> 00:42:05,399
Speaker 4: does it say about the alternative that they're still willing

883
00:42:05,440 --> 00:42:06,040
Speaker 4: to support that.

884
00:42:07,920 --> 00:42:10,000
Speaker 1: I mean, I think maybe it says a lot about

885
00:42:10,040 --> 00:42:14,640
Speaker 1: how we nominate people in our system today. It says

886
00:42:14,680 --> 00:42:18,920
Speaker 1: a lot about how frankly many of the Republican leaders

887
00:42:19,040 --> 00:42:23,600
Speaker 1: nationally are just profoundly empathetically weak people that they can't

888
00:42:23,600 --> 00:42:27,520
Speaker 1: stand up to this guy. And you know, I think

889
00:42:27,560 --> 00:42:30,960
Speaker 1: they're gonna have a real reckoning. If Joe Biden wins,

890
00:42:31,000 --> 00:42:34,040
Speaker 1: as I expect him to win this November, they will

891
00:42:34,080 --> 00:42:37,920
Speaker 1: have suffered defeat after defeat after defeat with Donald Trump,

892
00:42:38,040 --> 00:42:42,440
Speaker 1: Like he's not a winner, nor is his brand a winner,

893
00:42:42,520 --> 00:42:45,600
Speaker 1: And so how they sort of course correct after that?

894
00:42:45,760 --> 00:42:49,359
Speaker 1: I don't know. You're kind of asking me to sort

895
00:42:49,360 --> 00:42:52,120
Speaker 1: of understand or predict the future, and I just can't.

896
00:42:52,160 --> 00:42:54,920
Speaker 1: I just know that, Like, I'm a very common sense,

897
00:42:55,560 --> 00:42:58,440
Speaker 1: logical oriented guy, and I just don't know why they

898
00:42:58,480 --> 00:43:01,160
Speaker 1: keep following him when he keeps the delivering L after L.

899
00:43:02,320 --> 00:43:04,600
Speaker 5: Have you talked about Wes Moore? I think you all

900
00:43:04,640 --> 00:43:05,759
Speaker 5: both brought up Wes Moore.

901
00:43:06,880 --> 00:43:09,239
Speaker 6: We have one black governor in the country right now,

902
00:43:09,280 --> 00:43:11,799
Speaker 6: We've never had a black woman governor. We have one

903
00:43:11,840 --> 00:43:16,879
Speaker 6: appointed black woman in the Senate. But have you talk

904
00:43:16,920 --> 00:43:19,160
Speaker 6: about the party's obligation, Like what do you think the

905
00:43:19,200 --> 00:43:24,520
Speaker 6: party's obligation is to ensure a or more multicultural candidate

906
00:43:24,520 --> 00:43:27,799
Speaker 6: base and bench, Like we don't have an up and

907
00:43:27,800 --> 00:43:31,560
Speaker 6: coming Barack Obama right now, maybe except for Wes Moore.

908
00:43:31,680 --> 00:43:34,040
Speaker 6: What is the obligation of the party to ensure that

909
00:43:34,360 --> 00:43:36,839
Speaker 6: We talked about police officers looking like the community that

910
00:43:36,920 --> 00:43:38,120
Speaker 6: it reflects its base.

911
00:43:38,400 --> 00:43:42,479
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly what I'm trying to do in Pennsylvania. Make sure. Look,

912
00:43:42,680 --> 00:43:45,359
Speaker 1: I realize I have worked my ass off to get

913
00:43:45,360 --> 00:43:48,240
Speaker 1: where I am, and I was typically not the chosen

914
00:43:48,400 --> 00:43:50,400
Speaker 1: person by the party or whatever. I've worked hard to

915
00:43:50,400 --> 00:43:52,759
Speaker 1: get where I am, and I understand now I've got

916
00:43:52,800 --> 00:43:56,040
Speaker 1: a responsibility to the next generation of political leaders to

917
00:43:56,160 --> 00:43:59,399
Speaker 1: elevate people who don't look like me, to give them

918
00:43:59,440 --> 00:44:02,840
Speaker 1: a chance to lead. And that's again I mentioned Austin

919
00:44:02,920 --> 00:44:06,440
Speaker 1: Davis are incredible lieutenant governor thirty something. That's the only

920
00:44:06,440 --> 00:44:08,080
Speaker 1: thing I hate about him, he's still in his thirties.

921
00:44:08,120 --> 00:44:11,560
Speaker 1: But Austin is our first black lieutenant governor. This guy's

922
00:44:11,560 --> 00:44:14,560
Speaker 1: poised to do incredible things if he wants to go

923
00:44:14,960 --> 00:44:19,440
Speaker 1: beyond being lieutenant governor. Nearly, you know, not every, but

924
00:44:19,600 --> 00:44:23,960
Speaker 1: many of our leadership positions in our Pennsylvania legislature are

925
00:44:24,040 --> 00:44:29,920
Speaker 1: led by incredibly talented African American leaders, male and female.

926
00:44:29,960 --> 00:44:33,600
Speaker 1: So I think my responsibility is to create that bench,

927
00:44:33,960 --> 00:44:37,520
Speaker 1: to fund those campaigns, to fund those efforts to help

928
00:44:37,560 --> 00:44:39,319
Speaker 1: them be elevated. And I want to be clear, I'm

929
00:44:39,320 --> 00:44:43,000
Speaker 1: not taking credit for their you know, for their successes,

930
00:44:43,440 --> 00:44:46,560
Speaker 1: but I like to think that I'm helping and supporting

931
00:44:46,640 --> 00:44:48,680
Speaker 1: them along the way. I think if you build the

932
00:44:48,719 --> 00:44:51,960
Speaker 1: bench there state after state after state, then what you're

933
00:44:52,000 --> 00:44:55,080
Speaker 1: going to see is a real change in our politics

934
00:44:55,080 --> 00:44:55,720
Speaker 1: going forward.

935
00:44:55,800 --> 00:44:58,120
Speaker 4: I got three more questions if that's it, because this

936
00:44:58,200 --> 00:45:00,560
Speaker 4: is some important stuff. The ten years Try plan that

937
00:45:00,560 --> 00:45:03,440
Speaker 4: you have on aging that designed to improve services for

938
00:45:03,520 --> 00:45:06,320
Speaker 4: older people in Pennsylvania. Yeah, why is that so important?

939
00:45:06,320 --> 00:45:07,959
Speaker 4: Because you see always seems like people just forget about

940
00:45:07,960 --> 00:45:08,360
Speaker 4: the old.

941
00:45:08,360 --> 00:45:11,239
Speaker 1: They really Yeah, first off, we've never had that in

942
00:45:11,280 --> 00:45:14,319
Speaker 1: Pennsylvania for it, and just look at some basic math. Right,

943
00:45:14,719 --> 00:45:17,120
Speaker 1: one out of every four Pennsylvanians today is a senior.

944
00:45:17,400 --> 00:45:19,759
Speaker 1: By twenty thirty, not that far away. Want to have

945
00:45:19,800 --> 00:45:22,440
Speaker 1: every three Pennsylvanians is going to be a senior. So,

946
00:45:22,480 --> 00:45:24,600
Speaker 1: by the way, that creates a whole lot of workforce challenges,

947
00:45:24,640 --> 00:45:26,279
Speaker 1: which we talk about it if you want, But it

948
00:45:26,320 --> 00:45:28,319
Speaker 1: also means I want seniors to be able to age

949
00:45:28,360 --> 00:45:31,359
Speaker 1: with dignity. I want to treat seniors with respect. Most

950
00:45:31,400 --> 00:45:33,279
Speaker 1: of them want to stay in their homes if they can.

951
00:45:33,640 --> 00:45:36,040
Speaker 1: We've got a healthcare system where we're paying a lot

952
00:45:36,080 --> 00:45:38,000
Speaker 1: for it, but a lot of times those dots don't

953
00:45:38,000 --> 00:45:39,880
Speaker 1: get connected and they don't get the help in the

954
00:45:39,920 --> 00:45:43,319
Speaker 1: services that they need. They got ride share programs to

955
00:45:43,320 --> 00:45:46,440
Speaker 1: be able to get to doctors' offices, get to the supermarket,

956
00:45:46,520 --> 00:45:49,560
Speaker 1: get to their senior center, whatever, except those ride share

957
00:45:49,600 --> 00:45:53,120
Speaker 1: programs always don't always sync together with the needs of seniors.

958
00:45:53,400 --> 00:45:56,160
Speaker 1: That plan pulls it all together, and it says to

959
00:45:56,200 --> 00:45:58,880
Speaker 1: seniors in Pennsylvania, We're not only going to fund these things,

960
00:45:58,960 --> 00:46:01,000
Speaker 1: We're going to make sure that the money actually makes

961
00:46:01,000 --> 00:46:02,920
Speaker 1: its way to you. We're going to treat you with

962
00:46:03,040 --> 00:46:06,840
Speaker 1: dignity and respect. Listen. One of the things that seniors

963
00:46:06,880 --> 00:46:09,279
Speaker 1: are struggling with, all Americans are struggling with today is

964
00:46:09,560 --> 00:46:13,280
Speaker 1: rising costs. Right, everybody, everybody listening to this show deals

965
00:46:13,320 --> 00:46:15,560
Speaker 1: in some way with rising costs. I think you were

966
00:46:15,600 --> 00:46:18,240
Speaker 1: posting about Big Max or something.

967
00:46:18,440 --> 00:46:19,960
Speaker 3: McDonald's right.

968
00:46:21,440 --> 00:46:23,640
Speaker 1: Nah, Yeah, and everybody's dealing with it, but I think

969
00:46:24,080 --> 00:46:26,880
Speaker 1: seniors on fixed incomes it kind of hits them even harder.

970
00:46:26,960 --> 00:46:27,279
Speaker 5: It's proby.

971
00:46:27,360 --> 00:46:29,440
Speaker 1: One of the first things I did was cut taxes

972
00:46:29,480 --> 00:46:31,840
Speaker 1: for seniors as governor of Pennsylvania. By the way, we

973
00:46:31,840 --> 00:46:35,360
Speaker 1: also cut taxes for families as well. With childcare expenses.

974
00:46:35,640 --> 00:46:38,120
Speaker 1: We're trying to put money back in people's pockets. So

975
00:46:38,160 --> 00:46:42,000
Speaker 1: this Senior Plan is both coordinating services and putting money

976
00:46:42,000 --> 00:46:44,440
Speaker 1: back in people's pockets and saying to our seniors, we

977
00:46:44,600 --> 00:46:46,440
Speaker 1: value you and we're gonna treat you with respect, and

978
00:46:46,480 --> 00:46:48,120
Speaker 1: we're going to allow you to live your golden years

979
00:46:48,120 --> 00:46:48,719
Speaker 1: with dignity.

980
00:46:49,160 --> 00:46:52,120
Speaker 4: And the seven million dollars that y'all are putting into

981
00:46:52,960 --> 00:46:53,879
Speaker 4: Pennsylvania's main.

982
00:46:53,800 --> 00:46:56,280
Speaker 3: Streets in communities, it's seven million, right.

983
00:46:56,200 --> 00:46:58,120
Speaker 1: It's a little more in that, but okay, listen, you

984
00:46:58,160 --> 00:47:00,400
Speaker 1: want to look at the vitality of a community, strength

985
00:47:00,400 --> 00:47:02,880
Speaker 1: of a community, Go walk down their main street. Doesn't

986
00:47:02,960 --> 00:47:05,200
Speaker 1: you got to fill you walk down to main street. Sure,

987
00:47:05,280 --> 00:47:08,120
Speaker 1: there's tall buildings, it looks different, there's a lot more people,

988
00:47:08,440 --> 00:47:10,480
Speaker 1: but there's a main street there, and there's a main street.

989
00:47:10,520 --> 00:47:13,560
Speaker 1: And those rural communities too. Maybe it's a lower, single story,

990
00:47:13,640 --> 00:47:16,400
Speaker 1: you know building, what have you. But if those small businesses,

991
00:47:16,400 --> 00:47:19,360
Speaker 1: you're doing well. If people see their main street as safe,

992
00:47:19,600 --> 00:47:21,960
Speaker 1: if people see their main street as a place where

993
00:47:22,000 --> 00:47:25,719
Speaker 1: they can actually have economic opportunity, the broader community is safe.

994
00:47:25,719 --> 00:47:28,880
Speaker 1: For the bader community has more freedom, the broader community

995
00:47:28,920 --> 00:47:32,520
Speaker 1: has more opportunities. So I believe in main streets and

996
00:47:32,760 --> 00:47:36,040
Speaker 1: that's why we're investing so much there. We've also created

997
00:47:36,040 --> 00:47:38,080
Speaker 1: a new fund. This is done. This isn't like pieing

998
00:47:38,120 --> 00:47:41,719
Speaker 1: the sky for not just main streets. But we know

999
00:47:41,880 --> 00:47:45,720
Speaker 1: a number of small business owners in our communities, particularly

1000
00:47:45,760 --> 00:47:48,840
Speaker 1: on those main streets, are minorities, and so we have

1001
00:47:49,000 --> 00:47:52,360
Speaker 1: seen too many minority small businesses not have access to

1002
00:47:52,400 --> 00:47:54,920
Speaker 1: capital and thus not be able to be as successful

1003
00:47:55,200 --> 00:47:57,560
Speaker 1: as we'd like them to be. So we create the

1004
00:47:57,600 --> 00:48:01,759
Speaker 1: first ever fund for historically this advantage businesses. So if

1005
00:48:01,800 --> 00:48:03,279
Speaker 1: they want to use it for capital, they want to

1006
00:48:03,360 --> 00:48:06,640
Speaker 1: use it for repairs, for whatever, a facade, they want

1007
00:48:06,680 --> 00:48:08,920
Speaker 1: to buy a piece of equipment that allows them to

1008
00:48:08,960 --> 00:48:12,320
Speaker 1: make more product, you know whatever, we now have funds.

1009
00:48:12,080 --> 00:48:15,360
Speaker 3: For both, and that's that money's going to black communities.

1010
00:48:15,440 --> 00:48:19,560
Speaker 1: Right. And then finally when it comes to these small businesses,

1011
00:48:19,680 --> 00:48:24,279
Speaker 1: remember pennsylvan not remember I should say Pennsylvania is the

1012
00:48:24,480 --> 00:48:28,120
Speaker 1: number one purchaser of goods and services in our state,

1013
00:48:28,440 --> 00:48:32,120
Speaker 1: meaning the state government is. And if you look at

1014
00:48:32,160 --> 00:48:35,759
Speaker 1: our history of procurement, about four percent of all of

1015
00:48:35,760 --> 00:48:39,760
Speaker 1: our contracts went to black owned businesses and these small

1016
00:48:39,800 --> 00:48:43,280
Speaker 1: diverse businesses, and so we're changing that I signed executive

1017
00:48:43,360 --> 00:48:46,080
Speaker 1: order to increase that amount. So we're coming at this

1018
00:48:46,200 --> 00:48:48,400
Speaker 1: in a number of different ways. We're putting capital in

1019
00:48:48,440 --> 00:48:51,040
Speaker 1: these businesses, and we're making it easier for them to

1020
00:48:51,040 --> 00:48:53,800
Speaker 1: get business with the state. You get a big state contract,

1021
00:48:54,040 --> 00:48:56,520
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, your twenty person small business is

1022
00:48:56,560 --> 00:48:59,640
Speaker 1: thirty people, it's forty people. You're hiring people, You're creating

1023
00:48:59,680 --> 00:49:05,160
Speaker 1: opport change for accumulation of generational wealth. You're transforming these

1024
00:49:05,160 --> 00:49:08,239
Speaker 1: communities with the power of the commonwealth. So I want

1025
00:49:08,239 --> 00:49:11,239
Speaker 1: to be clear, We're not just like writing checks. We're

1026
00:49:11,280 --> 00:49:14,800
Speaker 1: putting capital out there, and we have an organized approach

1027
00:49:15,120 --> 00:49:18,160
Speaker 1: to making sure we are lifting up these businesses, lifting

1028
00:49:18,239 --> 00:49:20,439
Speaker 1: up these main streets that have been ignored for too long.

1029
00:49:21,520 --> 00:49:24,439
Speaker 2: One question, you know with U, I guess every state

1030
00:49:24,480 --> 00:49:27,319
Speaker 2: dealing with the migrant problem. What is Pennsylvania doing for

1031
00:49:27,360 --> 00:49:30,000
Speaker 2: that situation? You know, a couple of I think a

1032
00:49:30,080 --> 00:49:33,440
Speaker 2: day ago to NYPD offices was shot by a migrant.

1033
00:49:33,520 --> 00:49:34,880
Speaker 2: They said he was They tried to put them on

1034
00:49:34,880 --> 00:49:36,879
Speaker 2: the school that he was an illegal migrant. They said

1035
00:49:36,880 --> 00:49:39,319
Speaker 2: he came over through the quote unquote Eagle Pass, had

1036
00:49:39,320 --> 00:49:41,920
Speaker 2: a gun. He's been arrested before, but he shot two offices.

1037
00:49:41,960 --> 00:49:44,440
Speaker 2: So a lot of these states having problems with migrants.

1038
00:49:45,400 --> 00:49:46,600
Speaker 2: What is Pennsylvania doing.

1039
00:49:46,640 --> 00:49:47,560
Speaker 3: They're building a wall.

1040
00:49:48,800 --> 00:49:50,040
Speaker 1: We're building a wall in Pennsylvania.

1041
00:49:50,080 --> 00:49:50,680
Speaker 3: And I just said that.

1042
00:49:54,040 --> 00:49:54,680
Speaker 1: As an idiot.

1043
00:49:54,960 --> 00:49:56,520
Speaker 3: Gotta have a serious commence trying to keep.

1044
00:49:58,920 --> 00:50:00,960
Speaker 1: Might not. I mean, we don't like Knicks fans, but

1045
00:50:01,040 --> 00:50:05,200
Speaker 1: still we're not building a wall to keep you all out. Listen,

1046
00:50:05,239 --> 00:50:08,640
Speaker 1: we you know, we've we've gotten bustleads of migrants that

1047
00:50:08,800 --> 00:50:11,239
Speaker 1: Greg Abbott, you know, has has sent up to us.

1048
00:50:11,239 --> 00:50:16,560
Speaker 1: We've got a really wonderful network of you know, volunteer organizations,

1049
00:50:16,640 --> 00:50:21,400
Speaker 1: church organizations, others funded and able to provide supports for

1050
00:50:21,480 --> 00:50:25,239
Speaker 1: the individuals that end up in Philly. Candidly, we have

1051
00:50:25,320 --> 00:50:27,879
Speaker 1: not seen the numbers that New York has seen. We've

1052
00:50:27,880 --> 00:50:31,200
Speaker 1: not seen the numbers that Chicago or some other jurisdictions

1053
00:50:31,640 --> 00:50:35,280
Speaker 1: have seen. I think this immigration issue is a failure

1054
00:50:35,320 --> 00:50:37,160
Speaker 1: by both parties. You want to go back to kind

1055
00:50:37,200 --> 00:50:40,759
Speaker 1: of your broad thesis on all this four years through

1056
00:50:40,800 --> 00:50:46,560
Speaker 1: Democratic presidence, Republican presidents, Democratic congresses, Republican congresses, they've ignored

1057
00:50:46,920 --> 00:50:51,759
Speaker 1: what is a constitutional obligation to deal with immigration. And

1058
00:50:51,800 --> 00:50:54,000
Speaker 1: this to me is pretty basic and this is where

1059
00:50:54,040 --> 00:50:57,040
Speaker 1: we've got to stop focusing on extremes and start focusing

1060
00:50:57,160 --> 00:51:00,440
Speaker 1: on common sense. Yes, we should have a secure border.

1061
00:51:00,719 --> 00:51:03,200
Speaker 1: There should be whether it's a wall, whether it's technology, whatever,

1062
00:51:03,320 --> 00:51:06,040
Speaker 1: we should have a secure border. Number one. Number two,

1063
00:51:06,239 --> 00:51:09,279
Speaker 1: we've got to have a responsible pathway to citizenship for

1064
00:51:09,360 --> 00:51:12,239
Speaker 1: those who are here. We've got to make sure that

1065
00:51:12,280 --> 00:51:16,399
Speaker 1: the dreamers are cared for responsibly. And third, we've got

1066
00:51:16,400 --> 00:51:19,319
Speaker 1: to have honest rules of the road going forward to say,

1067
00:51:19,560 --> 00:51:21,440
Speaker 1: if you want to come to this country, great, we

1068
00:51:21,480 --> 00:51:24,400
Speaker 1: are a welcoming country. We are a loving country. We

1069
00:51:24,560 --> 00:51:28,280
Speaker 1: are a nation of immigrants that has strengthened our society.

1070
00:51:28,480 --> 00:51:30,600
Speaker 1: But here's the rules you got to follow, and here's

1071
00:51:30,640 --> 00:51:33,080
Speaker 1: the process you got to go through. And the fact

1072
00:51:33,080 --> 00:51:35,160
Speaker 1: that Congress hasn't been able to do that. They were

1073
00:51:35,360 --> 00:51:37,800
Speaker 1: a little bit closer a few whatever it was a

1074
00:51:37,840 --> 00:51:40,560
Speaker 1: couple months ago until Donald Trump threw a monkey wrench

1075
00:51:40,600 --> 00:51:44,440
Speaker 1: into it and told Republicans who supported the bill to

1076
00:51:44,520 --> 00:51:46,440
Speaker 1: do a lot of that, Hey, you got to be

1077
00:51:46,480 --> 00:51:48,560
Speaker 1: against it because I need this issue against your Biben

1078
00:51:49,080 --> 00:51:50,839
Speaker 1: goes back to the issue I said before. These are

1079
00:51:50,840 --> 00:51:54,560
Speaker 1: profoundly weak people who continue to put Donald Trump before country.

1080
00:51:54,560 --> 00:51:57,279
Speaker 1: But immigration is an area where we just got to

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Speaker 1: employee some common sense. That's what the American people want.

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Speaker 1: Is one of those things where the average American looks

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Speaker 1: at this and they see the answers right before them.

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Speaker 1: Yet the Congress hasn't been able to come together in

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Speaker 1: a bipartisan way and sort it out, and Donald Trump

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Speaker 1: has made that a lot harder. My last question, you'd

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Speaker 1: be very generous way you said my last question, No,

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Speaker 1: I agree, I did two.

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Speaker 4: This is happening right here in question the report that

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Speaker 4: say nobody flies private in Pennsylvania more than you, Mike

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Speaker 4: Rubin and Meek mil So, what do you say to

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Speaker 4: people who say the flights are coming out of the taxpaanfuck.

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Speaker 1: We have a state plan. We've had a state plane

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Speaker 1: for I don't thirty forty years. I can go back

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Speaker 1: and check, and I get around Pennsylvania all the time.

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Speaker 1: I get around meeting people where they are, I show up,

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Speaker 1: I work my ass off as their governor. I kind

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Speaker 1: of have this informal rule in my own head. I

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Speaker 1: don't want to be in the office more than three

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Speaker 1: days a week, which means I got four days to

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Speaker 1: be out in the community. Somewhere, listening, learning, showing up,

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Speaker 1: and to be governor and show up in Eerie and

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Speaker 1: Philly in the same day. It's impossible by cars. I'm

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Speaker 1: using the plane in that other governors have used as well.

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Speaker 1: And you know what, I'm showing up matters, and I

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Speaker 1: think too often times our politicians hide and don't show up.

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Speaker 1: I want to be there with people. And by the way,

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Speaker 1: Mike flies on a hell of a much nicer place.

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Speaker 4: Final pitch to folks from November, that wasn't a question.

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Speaker 1: Here's what I say. My last, last, last, extra last,

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Speaker 1: my extra last. Listen. There are going to be two

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Speaker 1: names on this ballot, and maybe a few other randos

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Speaker 1: on there as well. This is a binary choice between

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Speaker 1: Joe Biden and Donald Trump. But in many ways, I

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Speaker 1: think this election is not about Joe Biden and Donald Trump.

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Speaker 1: It's about all of us and what kind of country

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Speaker 1: we want to keep building for ourselves. If you go

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Speaker 1: back and look at the arc of our country, we

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Speaker 1: have always made progress. Now, there have been chapters in

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Speaker 1: our America story where we've taken two steps forward and

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Speaker 1: then we've taken a step back. And I think for

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Speaker 1: a lot of people it feels like we're in one

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Speaker 1: of those step back moments right now. But if you

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Speaker 1: look at the progress we've made in this country, it

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Speaker 1: hasn't always been made by people who occupy the White House,

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Speaker 1: or governors or people with titles. It's ordinary Americans rising up,

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Speaker 1: demanding more, seeking justice, seeking something a little bit better

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Speaker 1: for their kids than the way they had it. And

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Speaker 1: so when people go vote this November, I urge them

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Speaker 1: not just to look at the binary choice of candidates,

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Speaker 1: but think about the kind of country we want to build.

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Speaker 1: Do we want it to be decent and honorable, where

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Speaker 1: we expand freedom, where we don't contract it. Do we

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Speaker 1: want it to be a place where, no matter what

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Speaker 1: you look like, where you come from, who you love,

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Speaker 1: who you pray to, you feel like you have a

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Speaker 1: shot here. Maybe there's not absolute perfect equity and equality,

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Speaker 1: but you feel like you got a shot where the system,

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Speaker 1: as we've been talking about, is a little fairer, whether

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Speaker 1: it's in our schools or in our criminal justice system.

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Speaker 1: I think this election in many ways is a reflection

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Speaker 1: on each of us in the kind of country we

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Speaker 1: want to build. Now, Listen, I think if you want

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Speaker 1: to build that kind of country, there's only one choice

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Speaker 1: in this election, and that's Joe Biden, a guy who's

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Speaker 1: focused on expanding freedoms, a guy who's decent, a guy

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Speaker 1: who's honorable. I think the other choice is a dramatic reversal.

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Speaker 1: I said before, two steps forward, maybe one step back

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Speaker 1: at times in our in our arca history. I fear

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Speaker 1: if Donald Trump is giving the keys to the White

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Speaker 1: House again, it's not maybe one step back, it's multiple

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Speaker 1: steps back, and it's going to take us a generation

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Speaker 1: to recover from that. And so I think when you

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Speaker 1: go to the polls this year, yeah, of course I'm

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Speaker 1: voting for Joe Biden. I'm endorsing Joe Biden. I hope

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Speaker 1: you vote for Joe Biden. But I hope you think

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Speaker 1: about yourself, and I hope you think about the arc

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Speaker 1: of history and the way that it has gone and

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Speaker 1: your responsibility to continue the progress in this nation.

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Speaker 3: All right, do you have it, Governor Joshpaperrol.

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Speaker 2: Governor Josh Ferrol, thank you for joining us.

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Speaker 3: Govern Pennsylvania for future president.

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Speaker 1: All right, great to be with you guys at the

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Speaker 1: Breakfast Club. Good morning, wake that ass up in the morning.

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Speaker 1: The Breakfast Club