1 00:00:03,120 --> 00:00:05,240 Speaker 1: Hey everybody, and welcome to another edition of the Dave 2 00:00:05,280 --> 00:00:08,840 Speaker 1: Pash Podcast. I'm your host ESPN and Arizona Cardinals broadcaster 3 00:00:08,960 --> 00:00:12,280 Speaker 1: Dave Pash. My guest this week is Arizona Cardinals assistant 4 00:00:12,280 --> 00:00:15,440 Speaker 1: general manager Dave Sears. Dave has been in the NFL 5 00:00:15,480 --> 00:00:18,440 Speaker 1: for almost thirty years, still a young guy, and has 6 00:00:18,520 --> 00:00:22,040 Speaker 1: been a fast riser in terms of the recognition that 7 00:00:22,079 --> 00:00:24,479 Speaker 1: he gets around the league. When you talk to people 8 00:00:24,680 --> 00:00:30,760 Speaker 1: in the NFL coaches, scouts, GMS, executives, Dave Sears is 9 00:00:30,760 --> 00:00:33,360 Speaker 1: a name that comes up a lot as a very 10 00:00:33,479 --> 00:00:36,520 Speaker 1: talented guy who gets it, and the Cardinals are very 11 00:00:36,560 --> 00:00:38,960 Speaker 1: fortunate to have him. If you haven't had a chance 12 00:00:39,240 --> 00:00:42,239 Speaker 1: to get to know Dave Sears, hopefully you will by 13 00:00:42,280 --> 00:00:44,680 Speaker 1: listening to this podcast. We'll talk with Dave about what 14 00:00:44,720 --> 00:00:48,560 Speaker 1: he's seen so far throughout training camp in preseason, whether 15 00:00:48,640 --> 00:00:53,240 Speaker 1: it's rookie Marvin Harrison Junior or Darius Robinson. We'll also 16 00:00:53,320 --> 00:00:56,120 Speaker 1: get Dave's take on Kyler Murray, what he's seen so 17 00:00:56,280 --> 00:00:59,560 Speaker 1: far in camp and what he thinks is the next 18 00:00:59,560 --> 00:01:01,920 Speaker 1: step for Kyler to take in twenty twenty four. 19 00:01:02,080 --> 00:01:04,040 Speaker 2: I'm excited to see what he can do. The guy 20 00:01:04,120 --> 00:01:05,640 Speaker 2: is as healthy as he's ever been. You know, he 21 00:01:05,680 --> 00:01:09,080 Speaker 2: looks athletic, his arm looks live. He's had great practices. 22 00:01:09,720 --> 00:01:11,880 Speaker 2: So you know, you got to carry that over the season. 23 00:01:11,920 --> 00:01:13,959 Speaker 2: That's what matters. But I think he's ready to do that. 24 00:01:13,959 --> 00:01:14,520 Speaker 2: I'm excited. 25 00:01:14,640 --> 00:01:18,039 Speaker 1: We are presented by Healer River Resorts and Casinos. Let's 26 00:01:18,080 --> 00:01:20,319 Speaker 1: go Red Sea get closer to the game with Healer 27 00:01:20,400 --> 00:01:24,120 Speaker 1: River Resorts and Casinos, proud partner of the Arizona Cardinals. 28 00:01:24,200 --> 00:01:27,160 Speaker 1: All right, let's talk now with longtime scout and current 29 00:01:27,200 --> 00:01:34,000 Speaker 1: assistant GM of the Arizona Cardinals, Dave Sears. First of all, Dave, 30 00:01:34,000 --> 00:01:34,800 Speaker 1: appreciate the time. 31 00:01:34,840 --> 00:01:35,000 Speaker 2: Man. 32 00:01:35,080 --> 00:01:37,520 Speaker 1: I did not realize this is your twenty eighth year 33 00:01:37,800 --> 00:01:40,120 Speaker 1: in the NFL. What were you seven when you started this? 34 00:01:40,319 --> 00:01:40,479 Speaker 2: Nah? 35 00:01:40,520 --> 00:01:43,800 Speaker 1: I was nine. I mean you still have a full 36 00:01:43,840 --> 00:01:46,240 Speaker 1: out of hair. It's not gray. Your beard's not gray. 37 00:01:46,440 --> 00:01:48,320 Speaker 1: My beard's gray and I got no hair. 38 00:01:48,880 --> 00:01:50,840 Speaker 2: Hey, genetics. 39 00:01:52,480 --> 00:01:54,920 Speaker 1: Second year with the Cardinals. You were in Detroit for 40 00:01:55,040 --> 00:01:58,560 Speaker 1: sixteen correct? The last four is the director of scouting 41 00:02:00,240 --> 00:02:02,720 Speaker 1: in Detroit during that time? Where were you living and 42 00:02:03,000 --> 00:02:03,760 Speaker 1: how did that work? 43 00:02:04,080 --> 00:02:06,480 Speaker 2: No? I actually never lived in Detroit. 44 00:02:06,600 --> 00:02:06,960 Speaker 1: Go up. 45 00:02:07,240 --> 00:02:10,960 Speaker 2: I lived in Houston for a couple of years, Jersey 46 00:02:10,960 --> 00:02:12,520 Speaker 2: forre a year, and Charlotte and the main part of 47 00:02:12,520 --> 00:02:15,280 Speaker 2: the time actually Moresville, North Carolina. But i'd be up 48 00:02:15,280 --> 00:02:19,080 Speaker 2: there quite a bit for meetings camp. You know, I 49 00:02:19,080 --> 00:02:20,840 Speaker 2: think we have four sets of draft meetings, so I 50 00:02:21,120 --> 00:02:23,600 Speaker 2: got for those mini camp training camp stuff I got. 51 00:02:23,639 --> 00:02:25,000 Speaker 2: So I was up there quite a bit, just never 52 00:02:25,160 --> 00:02:26,240 Speaker 2: made my home base there. 53 00:02:26,320 --> 00:02:28,440 Speaker 1: So now that you're here and you're living in Phoenix 54 00:02:28,680 --> 00:02:32,359 Speaker 1: as the assistant general manager, how's your role different here 55 00:02:33,000 --> 00:02:35,720 Speaker 1: on a day to day basis than it was in Detroit. 56 00:02:36,000 --> 00:02:37,799 Speaker 2: Well, I'm in the office every day as opposed to 57 00:02:37,840 --> 00:02:40,200 Speaker 2: being on the road. The majority of my career was 58 00:02:40,200 --> 00:02:42,040 Speaker 2: always a road guy, was a college road guy, so 59 00:02:42,520 --> 00:02:45,000 Speaker 2: I had to get used to the kind of daily grind. 60 00:02:45,480 --> 00:02:47,760 Speaker 2: It's a different schedule. It's a grind as a college scout, certainly, 61 00:02:47,800 --> 00:02:51,239 Speaker 2: but just the you're in the team meetings. Now you're 62 00:02:51,240 --> 00:02:55,679 Speaker 2: doing more daily roster management stuff that's the main part 63 00:02:55,720 --> 00:02:57,480 Speaker 2: of it, and more pro scouting than I was doing. 64 00:02:57,520 --> 00:02:59,840 Speaker 2: I was pretty much focused solely on college my time 65 00:02:59,880 --> 00:03:00,480 Speaker 2: in Detroit. 66 00:03:01,040 --> 00:03:04,880 Speaker 1: So when you're on the road in Detroit as a 67 00:03:05,000 --> 00:03:08,160 Speaker 1: college scout, are you on the road every week? How 68 00:03:08,160 --> 00:03:09,480 Speaker 1: many days a week. Because there are a lot of 69 00:03:09,480 --> 00:03:12,160 Speaker 1: people listening. They hear about the life of a scout, 70 00:03:12,160 --> 00:03:13,960 Speaker 1: but they don't really know all the details. 71 00:03:14,040 --> 00:03:17,679 Speaker 2: Yeah, you're on the road for basically you up to 72 00:03:17,760 --> 00:03:19,800 Speaker 2: training camp for a week and then you're hitting the 73 00:03:19,800 --> 00:03:22,880 Speaker 2: colleges till basically Thanksgiving. So it's about whatever that is 74 00:03:22,919 --> 00:03:26,359 Speaker 2: four months or so that you're pretty much gone. Different 75 00:03:26,440 --> 00:03:28,920 Speaker 2: organizations have different time schedules. Some you have to be 76 00:03:28,919 --> 00:03:30,480 Speaker 2: out for ten days before you come home. Some you 77 00:03:30,520 --> 00:03:32,040 Speaker 2: can go home on the weekends, depending if you can 78 00:03:32,080 --> 00:03:33,359 Speaker 2: catch a game in your ear, stuff like that. But 79 00:03:33,400 --> 00:03:35,800 Speaker 2: you're pretty much gone Sunday through Friday at the minimum, 80 00:03:36,160 --> 00:03:38,160 Speaker 2: on the road seeing games in your area or kind 81 00:03:38,160 --> 00:03:41,120 Speaker 2: of covering the whole country nationally, whatever your respective role is. 82 00:03:41,160 --> 00:03:43,040 Speaker 2: But you're not home very often in the fall. 83 00:03:43,200 --> 00:03:47,200 Speaker 1: And when you're at a school. How much time are 84 00:03:47,240 --> 00:03:50,160 Speaker 1: you watching film? How much time do you get to 85 00:03:50,200 --> 00:03:53,119 Speaker 1: meet with the coaches or the strength and conditioning court, 86 00:03:53,200 --> 00:03:56,800 Speaker 1: or the coordinator or the trainer. How do you stay 87 00:03:56,840 --> 00:03:58,600 Speaker 1: for the game. Because I've seen some scouts they come, 88 00:03:58,640 --> 00:04:00,320 Speaker 1: they watch warm ups, and they leave. They don't stay 89 00:04:00,320 --> 00:04:02,320 Speaker 1: for the game because they can watch the tape. 90 00:04:02,520 --> 00:04:06,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, usually there's kind of a set schedule for the 91 00:04:06,080 --> 00:04:09,520 Speaker 2: day that they'll give you access to the training staff, 92 00:04:09,600 --> 00:04:12,880 Speaker 2: the strength staff, sometimes academics, you know, different position coaches, 93 00:04:12,920 --> 00:04:14,720 Speaker 2: a proliaison is going to lead you through the day, 94 00:04:14,840 --> 00:04:16,200 Speaker 2: and then you have a large block of time to 95 00:04:16,240 --> 00:04:19,160 Speaker 2: watch film. Then you got practice, and then a lot 96 00:04:19,160 --> 00:04:21,320 Speaker 2: of guys will stay for different games. It usually depends 97 00:04:21,360 --> 00:04:23,800 Speaker 2: on how you set your schedule up. You finish at 98 00:04:23,839 --> 00:04:25,640 Speaker 2: a school on a Thursday, and then you may stay 99 00:04:25,640 --> 00:04:27,960 Speaker 2: in town, write reports on Friday, see the game satur 100 00:04:28,080 --> 00:04:29,960 Speaker 2: theyn move on to your next spot, or you may 101 00:04:30,200 --> 00:04:32,560 Speaker 2: start your week off at the game, stay there and 102 00:04:32,600 --> 00:04:34,200 Speaker 2: go to the school on Monday for the film and 103 00:04:34,200 --> 00:04:36,120 Speaker 2: stuff like that in the background, but yeah, you're doing 104 00:04:36,160 --> 00:04:37,840 Speaker 2: you're touching on all those things. You're trying to get 105 00:04:38,040 --> 00:04:39,880 Speaker 2: as much information as you can out of school as 106 00:04:39,920 --> 00:04:42,520 Speaker 2: well as getting a video and physical look at the 107 00:04:42,520 --> 00:04:43,320 Speaker 2: player while are there. 108 00:04:43,520 --> 00:04:46,320 Speaker 1: And now, since you said you're doing more pro scouting, 109 00:04:46,480 --> 00:04:47,560 Speaker 1: what does that look. 110 00:04:47,400 --> 00:04:51,000 Speaker 2: Like, Well, that's kind of look at the teams we're facing, 111 00:04:51,160 --> 00:04:54,280 Speaker 2: watch you know, some of their guys, watch upcoming free 112 00:04:54,279 --> 00:04:57,440 Speaker 2: agents based off positions, stuff like that kind of get 113 00:04:57,440 --> 00:04:59,600 Speaker 2: a head start on free agency. Throughout the season as 114 00:04:59,640 --> 00:05:01,640 Speaker 2: we go, and then also mix it in quite a 115 00:05:01,640 --> 00:05:03,799 Speaker 2: bit of college scouting as well, so trying to balance 116 00:05:03,839 --> 00:05:06,080 Speaker 2: the two of them, whereas before I wasn't balancing and 117 00:05:06,240 --> 00:05:08,040 Speaker 2: it was just all college. So that's been fun. 118 00:05:08,160 --> 00:05:11,760 Speaker 1: So like a weekend preseason, will you go back today 119 00:05:11,920 --> 00:05:15,240 Speaker 1: this week and watch the preseason games that everybody else 120 00:05:15,279 --> 00:05:17,240 Speaker 1: played so that you have an idea, Hey, this guy, 121 00:05:17,640 --> 00:05:19,800 Speaker 1: I like this guy. If he gets cut, we're gonna 122 00:05:19,800 --> 00:05:20,240 Speaker 1: have our eye out. 123 00:05:20,279 --> 00:05:23,080 Speaker 2: Correct. We're all just up there watching a ton of 124 00:05:23,080 --> 00:05:27,040 Speaker 2: preseason tape. Now we'll watch every single game. Certain positions, 125 00:05:27,040 --> 00:05:29,000 Speaker 2: guys are focusing on, certain teams, guys are focused, and 126 00:05:29,080 --> 00:05:31,359 Speaker 2: I'm just kind of watching games to do exactly what 127 00:05:31,360 --> 00:05:34,600 Speaker 2: you're talking about. See who's popping, see who flashes, start 128 00:05:34,720 --> 00:05:37,719 Speaker 2: digging into those specific players a little more areas where 129 00:05:37,760 --> 00:05:39,799 Speaker 2: we might think we're weak or heavy, kind of focusing 130 00:05:39,800 --> 00:05:41,640 Speaker 2: on stuff like that. But yeah, you're just trying to 131 00:05:41,640 --> 00:05:43,320 Speaker 2: get a feel of what's going on in the league 132 00:05:43,360 --> 00:05:44,599 Speaker 2: right now so we could be ready. 133 00:05:45,839 --> 00:05:47,440 Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, one of the reasons I wanted to get 134 00:05:47,480 --> 00:05:49,880 Speaker 1: John was to let people know who you are, because 135 00:05:49,920 --> 00:05:52,640 Speaker 1: obviously you're playing a key role with the organization and 136 00:05:52,680 --> 00:05:56,359 Speaker 1: will continue to unless a GM opportunity comes along with 137 00:05:56,440 --> 00:05:59,200 Speaker 1: another team. How did you get started in this? Was 138 00:05:59,200 --> 00:06:01,680 Speaker 1: it something when I think you played college football? When 139 00:06:01,680 --> 00:06:04,000 Speaker 1: you're done, is this something you wanted to do? Did 140 00:06:04,040 --> 00:06:06,359 Speaker 1: you think about coaching? Did you have other aspirations or 141 00:06:06,400 --> 00:06:08,159 Speaker 1: was it always scouting? 142 00:06:08,400 --> 00:06:10,720 Speaker 2: Yeah? I always wanted to be involved in professional sports, 143 00:06:10,720 --> 00:06:14,159 Speaker 2: specifically football. I played small school FOOTBA at Springfield College. 144 00:06:14,200 --> 00:06:16,960 Speaker 2: I was a reserve linebacker, defensive end, and I knew 145 00:06:16,960 --> 00:06:19,279 Speaker 2: obviously I didn't have any future doing that, but I 146 00:06:19,360 --> 00:06:21,960 Speaker 2: never really wanted to get in the coaching side. To me, 147 00:06:22,000 --> 00:06:23,920 Speaker 2: it was always kind of the I was fascinated by 148 00:06:23,920 --> 00:06:27,280 Speaker 2: the draft, roster construction, kind of how to assemble a 149 00:06:27,400 --> 00:06:30,160 Speaker 2: championship team. All that was really interesting to me. Never 150 00:06:30,200 --> 00:06:33,440 Speaker 2: really got the coaching bug. I was fortunate that Charlie 151 00:06:33,520 --> 00:06:36,800 Speaker 2: Casserly was a Springfield College grad, so he was just 152 00:06:36,839 --> 00:06:38,960 Speaker 2: happened to be looking for a scouting intern at the 153 00:06:39,000 --> 00:06:41,040 Speaker 2: time I was looking for an internship. So the stars 154 00:06:41,120 --> 00:06:43,080 Speaker 2: kind of a line right there. And you know, a 155 00:06:43,080 --> 00:06:46,320 Speaker 2: lot to him forgiving me my shot. And I'm not 156 00:06:46,360 --> 00:06:47,800 Speaker 2: sure what I'd be doing if I wasn't doing this, 157 00:06:47,880 --> 00:06:49,479 Speaker 2: But I think I was probably meant to do this 158 00:06:49,520 --> 00:06:50,520 Speaker 2: because it all worked. 159 00:06:50,279 --> 00:06:54,039 Speaker 1: Out, you know, And you met Mani Austin for very 160 00:06:54,080 --> 00:06:56,480 Speaker 1: early in your career. Right, when did you guys meet? 161 00:06:56,520 --> 00:06:59,640 Speaker 1: How did you meet, and how did you maintain the connection? 162 00:06:59,760 --> 00:07:03,280 Speaker 1: Because because two decades later just kind of interesting. I 163 00:07:03,320 --> 00:07:06,000 Speaker 1: guess a good life lesson. Right, You build relationships early on. 164 00:07:06,080 --> 00:07:09,920 Speaker 1: You never know how even decades later, things might come 165 00:07:09,960 --> 00:07:11,080 Speaker 1: together like they did here for you. 166 00:07:11,200 --> 00:07:14,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I think that's just the basic treat 167 00:07:14,400 --> 00:07:16,360 Speaker 2: people the way you want to be treated kind of thing. 168 00:07:16,360 --> 00:07:18,640 Speaker 2: And you make good relationships early and they last for 169 00:07:18,680 --> 00:07:20,480 Speaker 2: a long time. There's a lot of guys still in 170 00:07:20,520 --> 00:07:23,080 Speaker 2: this business that I've known now, you know, like you said, 171 00:07:23,120 --> 00:07:25,480 Speaker 2: I'm getting old before, but you know, I've known guys 172 00:07:25,520 --> 00:07:27,320 Speaker 2: twenty years and stuff like that. And it's funny when 173 00:07:27,360 --> 00:07:29,440 Speaker 2: I talk to some of the younger guys upstairs, you know, 174 00:07:29,480 --> 00:07:31,880 Speaker 2: they don't know anybody, and you know, well they've only 175 00:07:31,960 --> 00:07:33,520 Speaker 2: been at five seven years stuff like that. I've been 176 00:07:33,520 --> 00:07:35,600 Speaker 2: doing this almost thirty years, like you said, So I 177 00:07:35,600 --> 00:07:38,080 Speaker 2: got a lot of relationships. I met Mani in two 178 00:07:38,120 --> 00:07:40,520 Speaker 2: thousand and two. He was starting an internship with the 179 00:07:40,520 --> 00:07:42,680 Speaker 2: Houston Texans and at that time, I was an area scout, 180 00:07:43,480 --> 00:07:44,800 Speaker 2: but he was doing a lot of the roles I 181 00:07:44,800 --> 00:07:48,440 Speaker 2: had done a couple years earlier for Washington under Charlie, 182 00:07:48,480 --> 00:07:51,240 Speaker 2: so I was a resource for him. Great dude. We 183 00:07:51,280 --> 00:07:53,760 Speaker 2: kind of just hit it off, very similar personalities, background, 184 00:07:53,760 --> 00:07:55,560 Speaker 2: stuff like that, so it was easy. And then he 185 00:07:55,680 --> 00:07:57,720 Speaker 2: bounced to the Patriots for a year and they came 186 00:07:57,760 --> 00:08:00,120 Speaker 2: back to us for two years. And again I'm I'm 187 00:08:00,120 --> 00:08:01,440 Speaker 2: not going to say I was a mentor or anything 188 00:08:01,440 --> 00:08:03,960 Speaker 2: like that, but he would hit me out questions because 189 00:08:03,960 --> 00:08:05,680 Speaker 2: I'd been doing the same thing three years before, and 190 00:08:05,720 --> 00:08:08,000 Speaker 2: I also knew, hey, here's some of the pitfalls that 191 00:08:08,040 --> 00:08:09,760 Speaker 2: are gonna happen when you're starting to get your feet 192 00:08:09,760 --> 00:08:11,760 Speaker 2: wet in this business, and let me help you kind 193 00:08:11,760 --> 00:08:13,560 Speaker 2: of get ahead of some of those things. So we 194 00:08:13,640 --> 00:08:15,520 Speaker 2: hit it off. And then we also lived in the 195 00:08:15,520 --> 00:08:18,040 Speaker 2: same apartment complex, you know, around the same age, so 196 00:08:18,400 --> 00:08:20,080 Speaker 2: a lot of fun, a bunch of young guys over 197 00:08:20,080 --> 00:08:21,520 Speaker 2: there are some guys that are still in the league 198 00:08:21,560 --> 00:08:24,400 Speaker 2: right now, like Eugene Armstrong with Jamal Stevenson, guys with 199 00:08:24,440 --> 00:08:27,240 Speaker 2: the Broncos, Vikings, Rob Kissel's upstairs. So we had a 200 00:08:27,240 --> 00:08:29,840 Speaker 2: really good cohesive, young group of guys getting their start 201 00:08:29,880 --> 00:08:31,520 Speaker 2: in the business that are still friends this day. So 202 00:08:31,560 --> 00:08:32,120 Speaker 2: it's kind of cool. 203 00:08:32,240 --> 00:08:34,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, when Moni was on the pod in May after 204 00:08:34,440 --> 00:08:36,400 Speaker 1: the draft, he mentioned you and Rob and just how 205 00:08:36,440 --> 00:08:38,760 Speaker 1: instrumental both of you guys were in his career. He 206 00:08:38,840 --> 00:08:41,199 Speaker 1: also mentioned you guys, you talked about, you know, twenty 207 00:08:41,240 --> 00:08:44,200 Speaker 1: years ago living in the same complex. You guys actually 208 00:08:44,240 --> 00:08:47,880 Speaker 1: lived together, right when when he was staying at your apartment, 209 00:08:47,920 --> 00:08:48,400 Speaker 1: right when he. 210 00:08:48,840 --> 00:08:49,560 Speaker 2: First came out here. 211 00:08:49,640 --> 00:08:49,840 Speaker 1: Yeah. 212 00:08:49,880 --> 00:08:51,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, the guy was too cheap to get his own place, 213 00:08:51,960 --> 00:08:53,680 Speaker 2: so he had to stay on my cash for a while. 214 00:08:53,679 --> 00:08:55,800 Speaker 2: But yeah, now that was good he was getting his 215 00:08:56,000 --> 00:08:57,720 Speaker 2: mansion built. Yeah. 216 00:08:57,760 --> 00:09:01,400 Speaker 1: Well, you know, there are very few people that I 217 00:09:01,520 --> 00:09:04,760 Speaker 1: trust more when it comes to, first of all, just 218 00:09:04,920 --> 00:09:10,680 Speaker 1: evaluation of human beings, but also football knowledge than Chris Spielman. 219 00:09:11,160 --> 00:09:13,200 Speaker 1: And I've known Chris and we've been close friends for 220 00:09:13,200 --> 00:09:16,120 Speaker 1: a long time worked together at ESPN, but we're even 221 00:09:16,120 --> 00:09:20,439 Speaker 1: friends before that. Now, Chris is was a was a 222 00:09:20,480 --> 00:09:23,560 Speaker 1: mess in terms of like he'd come in dragging his 223 00:09:23,640 --> 00:09:26,719 Speaker 1: sport coat on the ground. Sometimes he maybe would have 224 00:09:26,960 --> 00:09:30,400 Speaker 1: like a piece of Kleenex stuck to his upper lip, 225 00:09:30,960 --> 00:09:34,880 Speaker 1: or you could hear in his pockets, him getting into 226 00:09:34,960 --> 00:09:37,680 Speaker 1: some sort of candy and there'd be food and stuff everywhere. 227 00:09:37,880 --> 00:09:39,720 Speaker 1: We actually, at one point had a nickname for him, 228 00:09:39,760 --> 00:09:41,240 Speaker 1: the addict. It was a joke, but it was more 229 00:09:41,320 --> 00:09:44,200 Speaker 1: like every thirty seconds, something's going in either caffeine or dip. 230 00:09:44,240 --> 00:09:47,880 Speaker 1: And this was you know, but this was fifteen years ago. 231 00:09:48,080 --> 00:09:52,800 Speaker 1: But all kidding aside. Chris in terms of like human beings, 232 00:09:53,160 --> 00:09:55,440 Speaker 1: the one of the all time greats. And Chris called 233 00:09:55,520 --> 00:09:58,600 Speaker 1: me a year ago, a year and a half ago, 234 00:09:58,640 --> 00:10:01,800 Speaker 1: and said, hey, there's a guy that we absolutely hated 235 00:10:01,960 --> 00:10:05,360 Speaker 1: to lose. You're gonna love him. His name's Dave Sears. 236 00:10:06,080 --> 00:10:10,280 Speaker 1: You guys just found you, guys just struck gold. So 237 00:10:10,920 --> 00:10:14,839 Speaker 1: what was your relationship like with Chris? And again, Chris 238 00:10:14,880 --> 00:10:17,880 Speaker 1: does not throw around compliments, like, he doesn't just throw 239 00:10:17,920 --> 00:10:21,120 Speaker 1: things out there. So for him to say that he 240 00:10:21,200 --> 00:10:25,960 Speaker 1: obviously sees something in you. How did you guys connect 241 00:10:26,240 --> 00:10:27,920 Speaker 1: and why do you think he likes you so much? 242 00:10:28,080 --> 00:10:30,280 Speaker 2: You know, I think Chris and I hit it off, 243 00:10:30,840 --> 00:10:32,960 Speaker 2: you know, really quickly. I remember the first time I 244 00:10:32,960 --> 00:10:34,480 Speaker 2: met him. I went into his office and it was 245 00:10:34,559 --> 00:10:36,880 Speaker 2: kind of strange because he's got a big mirror there 246 00:10:36,920 --> 00:10:38,560 Speaker 2: and he had a shirt off and he was doing curls. 247 00:10:38,679 --> 00:10:40,720 Speaker 2: He was all oiled up, and I just kind of 248 00:10:41,000 --> 00:10:43,160 Speaker 2: it's kind of weird. No, I'm just kidding, But it. 249 00:10:43,240 --> 00:10:45,200 Speaker 1: Wasn't surprise you. Actually, I thought you were being serious. 250 00:10:45,240 --> 00:10:51,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, Chris is great. Like he's obviously an elite NFL player, 251 00:10:51,320 --> 00:10:54,199 Speaker 2: a linebacker, but he's got the mentality of just like 252 00:10:54,559 --> 00:10:58,080 Speaker 2: an everyman, blue collar tough guy, which you know, I 253 00:10:58,120 --> 00:11:02,080 Speaker 2: really admire, and he's very humble despite his accomplishment life, 254 00:11:02,080 --> 00:11:05,360 Speaker 2: not just football. He's extremely accomplished, but he was really 255 00:11:05,400 --> 00:11:08,320 Speaker 2: interested to learn about scouting. He wasn't one of these 256 00:11:08,520 --> 00:11:11,240 Speaker 2: guys who would come in as next player thinking because 257 00:11:11,280 --> 00:11:13,440 Speaker 2: he played, you know, ten plus years in the NFL 258 00:11:13,440 --> 00:11:15,839 Speaker 2: at a high level, he already knew everything about finding 259 00:11:15,840 --> 00:11:17,280 Speaker 2: a player. He was really humble in now. So we 260 00:11:17,320 --> 00:11:21,240 Speaker 2: had really good discussions about how to scout players, specifically linebackers, 261 00:11:21,280 --> 00:11:23,240 Speaker 2: and what he looks for, what I look for. And 262 00:11:23,240 --> 00:11:25,080 Speaker 2: I learned a lot from him in the brief period 263 00:11:25,080 --> 00:11:27,840 Speaker 2: of time, and then tried to help him with like, hey, 264 00:11:27,840 --> 00:11:30,520 Speaker 2: this is how you actually construct a report or how 265 00:11:30,559 --> 00:11:32,440 Speaker 2: you go through the process of watching tape, like it 266 00:11:32,440 --> 00:11:35,120 Speaker 2: doesn't just come like this, you know. So it was 267 00:11:35,160 --> 00:11:37,120 Speaker 2: really good. And I think Chris, in a short time 268 00:11:37,160 --> 00:11:41,480 Speaker 2: he's been there, developed a really great appreciation for the 269 00:11:41,520 --> 00:11:44,760 Speaker 2: scouting process and how you have to there are no 270 00:11:44,840 --> 00:11:47,800 Speaker 2: shortcuts to it. When people shortcut, they make mistakes, and 271 00:11:47,880 --> 00:11:49,920 Speaker 2: he understands that. And there's a lot of really good 272 00:11:49,960 --> 00:11:52,520 Speaker 2: personnel people up in Detroit. Lance Newmark, who's now the 273 00:11:52,559 --> 00:11:55,200 Speaker 2: assistant GM of the Commanders, was up there with us 274 00:11:55,760 --> 00:11:59,440 Speaker 2: no Lance for a long time. He's elite. Chris Ray 275 00:11:59,480 --> 00:12:03,520 Speaker 2: agnew Brad is obviously very talented. You know, you got 276 00:12:03,520 --> 00:12:05,199 Speaker 2: Mike mar and Don cors On, all those kind of guys. 277 00:12:05,240 --> 00:12:07,240 Speaker 2: I got a really good staff. Brian Hutsmith, who's the 278 00:12:07,240 --> 00:12:09,439 Speaker 2: college director, also was with us in Houston. That young 279 00:12:09,440 --> 00:12:12,200 Speaker 2: group of guys I was talking about. So they do 280 00:12:12,240 --> 00:12:13,720 Speaker 2: a great job. But Darren Chris is a big part 281 00:12:13,720 --> 00:12:16,480 Speaker 2: of it. I mean, Chris is kind of the unseen 282 00:12:16,520 --> 00:12:19,720 Speaker 2: guy behind the scenes because he is not a doesn't 283 00:12:19,720 --> 00:12:22,120 Speaker 2: need credit, doesn't need the accolades. He's had a ton 284 00:12:22,120 --> 00:12:23,800 Speaker 2: of those in his life, so he's not looking for that. 285 00:12:23,880 --> 00:12:26,120 Speaker 2: He's just looking to help Detroit win. And they're winning now. 286 00:12:26,120 --> 00:12:28,319 Speaker 2: They got a great coaching staff, great scouting staff. Things 287 00:12:28,320 --> 00:12:30,120 Speaker 2: are falling into place. But he's a big part of that. 288 00:12:30,160 --> 00:12:31,760 Speaker 2: And he was a big part of the hiring process. 289 00:12:32,000 --> 00:12:36,080 Speaker 2: And so you talked about identifying positive traits and people 290 00:12:36,360 --> 00:12:38,160 Speaker 2: and Chris can do that. Chris knows people and he 291 00:12:38,200 --> 00:12:40,320 Speaker 2: knows football. So I think that's really important. 292 00:12:40,400 --> 00:12:43,000 Speaker 1: I was glad during the playoffs last year some of 293 00:12:43,040 --> 00:12:46,160 Speaker 1: the telecasts would would mention Chris because he's never going 294 00:12:46,240 --> 00:12:51,000 Speaker 1: to say, hey, look at me. Some of the trades 295 00:12:51,040 --> 00:12:53,760 Speaker 1: in Chris, I see in this organization and that there's 296 00:12:53,760 --> 00:12:56,240 Speaker 1: no agenda. It's all about the team. It's not about 297 00:12:56,320 --> 00:12:59,040 Speaker 1: who gets the credit. It's all about how are we 298 00:12:59,040 --> 00:13:02,200 Speaker 1: move what direction are we moving in? Positive or negative? 299 00:13:03,640 --> 00:13:06,480 Speaker 1: And you mentioned Brad Holmes, and obviously Brad and Dan Campbell, 300 00:13:06,480 --> 00:13:07,960 Speaker 1: they had done a tremendous job, I mean for the 301 00:13:07,960 --> 00:13:10,480 Speaker 1: Lions to get that close to the super Bowl. Obviously 302 00:13:10,520 --> 00:13:14,240 Speaker 1: you played a big role in putting that roster together. 303 00:13:14,840 --> 00:13:18,679 Speaker 1: What were some of the keys to success in helping 304 00:13:18,720 --> 00:13:21,400 Speaker 1: that group kind of gel and come together and building 305 00:13:21,440 --> 00:13:21,920 Speaker 1: that roster. 306 00:13:22,240 --> 00:13:24,240 Speaker 2: Well, I think when Brad came in, you know, he 307 00:13:24,720 --> 00:13:27,120 Speaker 2: didn't have an agenda either. He's a humble guy, he 308 00:13:27,200 --> 00:13:29,599 Speaker 2: loves scouting, he loves to talk players, he loves to 309 00:13:29,640 --> 00:13:32,800 Speaker 2: watch film, and so he allowed everybody to be themselves 310 00:13:32,880 --> 00:13:36,479 Speaker 2: and just describe what you see. He's very collaborative. Everybody's 311 00:13:36,480 --> 00:13:38,840 Speaker 2: got a voice. Now he's going to make the decisions, 312 00:13:39,320 --> 00:13:41,440 Speaker 2: you know. But him and Dan have a vision of 313 00:13:41,480 --> 00:13:44,080 Speaker 2: how they wanted to construct the team. They wanted ballplayers 314 00:13:44,080 --> 00:13:46,440 Speaker 2: who had the right mindset, the right attitude. And that's 315 00:13:46,520 --> 00:13:48,040 Speaker 2: what we're trying to do is here. I mean, it's 316 00:13:48,080 --> 00:13:50,600 Speaker 2: not we're not following Detroit's blueprint or anything like that. 317 00:13:50,640 --> 00:13:52,680 Speaker 2: We have our own philosophies, but a lot of the 318 00:13:52,679 --> 00:13:55,640 Speaker 2: same principles where you know, it's guys who love football, 319 00:13:55,920 --> 00:13:57,480 Speaker 2: guys who are going to keep their nose clean off 320 00:13:57,520 --> 00:14:01,080 Speaker 2: the field, and guys who can learn at a high level, 321 00:14:01,400 --> 00:14:04,080 Speaker 2: and you know are also good athletes and good players. 322 00:14:04,080 --> 00:14:06,280 Speaker 2: I mean, let's not eliminate that part of it because 323 00:14:06,320 --> 00:14:08,679 Speaker 2: you'll you'll get out of this job real fast to 324 00:14:08,760 --> 00:14:09,000 Speaker 2: do that. 325 00:14:09,040 --> 00:14:14,480 Speaker 1: You know. So when you and MANI have conversations, do 326 00:14:14,520 --> 00:14:18,640 Speaker 1: you guys generally agree on players or you know, have 327 00:14:18,720 --> 00:14:21,160 Speaker 1: there been guys I know it's only been a short time, 328 00:14:21,360 --> 00:14:23,400 Speaker 1: just over a year that you guys will go at 329 00:14:23,440 --> 00:14:27,680 Speaker 1: it on and how often does that happen in these meetings? 330 00:14:27,920 --> 00:14:31,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean my office is literally three feet from 331 00:14:31,080 --> 00:14:33,240 Speaker 2: Money's office, right across the hall from each other, so 332 00:14:33,280 --> 00:14:34,840 Speaker 2: we don't have to walk into each other's off We'll 333 00:14:34,840 --> 00:14:37,240 Speaker 2: just sometimes talk across the hall while we're watching tape. 334 00:14:37,920 --> 00:14:40,920 Speaker 2: We talk about players every day, along with Rob, along 335 00:14:40,960 --> 00:14:42,840 Speaker 2: with the rest of the scouts who are in the building. 336 00:14:43,520 --> 00:14:47,960 Speaker 2: But there's a great musual respect that we've always had. 337 00:14:48,200 --> 00:14:50,440 Speaker 2: And then I think it's not an issue for me 338 00:14:50,480 --> 00:14:52,120 Speaker 2: to say, like, I don't really see it the way 339 00:14:52,120 --> 00:14:53,840 Speaker 2: you're seeing it, or he'll say the same thing to me, now, 340 00:14:53,840 --> 00:14:55,960 Speaker 2: are you sure about that? And then we'll sit down 341 00:14:55,960 --> 00:14:57,760 Speaker 2: and watch a guy together if we have a real disagreement. 342 00:14:57,760 --> 00:15:01,440 Speaker 2: But we do see players very similarly, not because he said, hey, 343 00:15:01,440 --> 00:15:02,960 Speaker 2: I'm running this team, this is how I want you 344 00:15:03,000 --> 00:15:04,640 Speaker 2: to see players. We just kind of have the same 345 00:15:04,640 --> 00:15:07,080 Speaker 2: philosophies and the same thing. I think. You know, the 346 00:15:07,080 --> 00:15:09,400 Speaker 2: first part is you got to see the athletic ability accurately, 347 00:15:09,440 --> 00:15:11,440 Speaker 2: then you got the measurables, and then you're trying to 348 00:15:11,440 --> 00:15:13,600 Speaker 2: see if this player fits your scheme things like that, 349 00:15:13,640 --> 00:15:16,040 Speaker 2: and we can both do that in a similar type 350 00:15:16,040 --> 00:15:19,480 Speaker 2: of process. So it's easy because of the mutual respect, 351 00:15:19,520 --> 00:15:21,560 Speaker 2: and we also kind of have a similar eye for players. 352 00:15:21,600 --> 00:15:21,920 Speaker 2: I think. 353 00:15:22,160 --> 00:15:23,600 Speaker 1: So now that you've had a chance to kind of 354 00:15:23,640 --> 00:15:26,560 Speaker 1: digest preseason game number one, who were some of the 355 00:15:26,560 --> 00:15:28,720 Speaker 1: guys that caught your eye that stood out to you? 356 00:15:28,960 --> 00:15:30,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think I think overall a lot of our 357 00:15:30,600 --> 00:15:33,160 Speaker 2: young guys played well, along with some of our evets. 358 00:15:33,240 --> 00:15:36,280 Speaker 2: And you know, I think casual fan may get caught 359 00:15:36,320 --> 00:15:39,000 Speaker 2: up in the score the slow pace of the first 360 00:15:39,000 --> 00:15:40,360 Speaker 2: half of line a lot of scoring, but you know, 361 00:15:40,400 --> 00:15:42,560 Speaker 2: there's not a lot of stuff in from an offense 362 00:15:42,640 --> 00:15:44,720 Speaker 2: defense scheme standpoint, So you're going to get some of 363 00:15:44,720 --> 00:15:47,200 Speaker 2: that in the preseason, But the individual matchups is what 364 00:15:47,240 --> 00:15:48,960 Speaker 2: you're really trying to focus on. Hey, how is this 365 00:15:49,000 --> 00:15:51,480 Speaker 2: player carrying his technique over from practice to the game. 366 00:15:51,480 --> 00:15:55,160 Speaker 2: Who's showing up making some splash plays? The mode of play, 367 00:15:55,200 --> 00:15:57,440 Speaker 2: like coach Gannon likes to describe it, Are we playing fast? 368 00:15:57,480 --> 00:16:00,600 Speaker 2: We playing physical? Are guys making men mistakes? And I 369 00:16:00,600 --> 00:16:02,120 Speaker 2: didn't see a ton of that on the tape. You know, 370 00:16:02,160 --> 00:16:06,600 Speaker 2: I think Darius Robinson popped a little bit off that tape. 371 00:16:06,640 --> 00:16:09,600 Speaker 2: I think, you know, Owen Papo played really good. I thought, 372 00:16:09,640 --> 00:16:11,880 Speaker 2: Chris Barnes, I mean, I could go into a whole 373 00:16:11,880 --> 00:16:13,320 Speaker 2: game review, but I thought we had a lot of 374 00:16:13,360 --> 00:16:17,800 Speaker 2: guys really playing fast, playing physical. You know, Star Thomas 375 00:16:17,840 --> 00:16:19,560 Speaker 2: has done a great job in camp. He looked good 376 00:16:19,600 --> 00:16:21,320 Speaker 2: in that game. So I think I think there are 377 00:16:21,320 --> 00:16:23,800 Speaker 2: some individual players to be excited about from a you know, 378 00:16:24,080 --> 00:16:26,120 Speaker 2: win lost scheme standpoint. We don't really get into that 379 00:16:26,120 --> 00:16:27,280 Speaker 2: in the preseason. Yeah. 380 00:16:27,360 --> 00:16:30,160 Speaker 1: So going back to Darius, so, I did the Cotton 381 00:16:30,160 --> 00:16:34,640 Speaker 1: Bowl last year and he stood out obviously as a 382 00:16:34,680 --> 00:16:39,640 Speaker 1: person and as a player. You know, not many people 383 00:16:39,640 --> 00:16:41,840 Speaker 1: seem to really know about him for whatever reason. The 384 00:16:41,840 --> 00:16:43,640 Speaker 1: guy played in the SEC, but it just didn't seem 385 00:16:43,680 --> 00:16:47,400 Speaker 1: like when you guys drafted him that a lot of 386 00:16:47,720 --> 00:16:50,600 Speaker 1: There wasn't a ton of buzz. Obviously, Marvin Harrison Junior 387 00:16:50,640 --> 00:16:53,000 Speaker 1: gets buzz, and maybe it's because of the positions they played. 388 00:16:54,240 --> 00:16:56,600 Speaker 1: What did you guys see in Darius Robinson when you 389 00:16:56,640 --> 00:16:59,400 Speaker 1: were scouting him that sold you on him? 390 00:17:00,120 --> 00:17:02,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean he probably didn't wasn't known a lot 391 00:17:02,400 --> 00:17:05,040 Speaker 2: about by the media, but by scouting people, he was 392 00:17:05,080 --> 00:17:06,439 Speaker 2: known a lot about it. I made my phone lit 393 00:17:06,480 --> 00:17:10,640 Speaker 2: up when we took him. But I think Darius first 394 00:17:10,640 --> 00:17:13,040 Speaker 2: of all, when you've seen him physically, like, the guy's 395 00:17:13,040 --> 00:17:15,280 Speaker 2: shoulders are wider than this wall right here. The guy's 396 00:17:15,280 --> 00:17:18,159 Speaker 2: frame is amazing. He's long, he's a good athlete. He 397 00:17:18,240 --> 00:17:20,880 Speaker 2: played both inside basically every alignment on the D line 398 00:17:20,880 --> 00:17:22,840 Speaker 2: and stand up throughout his career, so there's a lot 399 00:17:22,840 --> 00:17:25,679 Speaker 2: of versatility to him. What really jumped out when we 400 00:17:25,720 --> 00:17:28,800 Speaker 2: started getting to know the kid personally was the football intelligence, 401 00:17:28,920 --> 00:17:32,000 Speaker 2: the personality, the leadership. I mean, the guy's are really impressive. Dude, 402 00:17:32,040 --> 00:17:34,399 Speaker 2: when you meet him and he loves football, you know, 403 00:17:34,440 --> 00:17:35,760 Speaker 2: and that's the kind of stuff we're trying to the 404 00:17:35,840 --> 00:17:37,320 Speaker 2: kind of people were trying to get in this building. 405 00:17:37,960 --> 00:17:41,280 Speaker 2: And then his ability to be kind of scheme versatile 406 00:17:41,320 --> 00:17:43,240 Speaker 2: and play a lot of different positions along our front 407 00:17:43,320 --> 00:17:44,119 Speaker 2: was very attractive. 408 00:17:44,160 --> 00:17:44,359 Speaker 1: You know. 409 00:17:44,720 --> 00:17:48,240 Speaker 2: Honestly, that's one of those you're kind of holding your breath, Hey, 410 00:17:48,280 --> 00:17:49,920 Speaker 2: is this guy gonna be there? There's a couple other 411 00:17:49,920 --> 00:17:53,160 Speaker 2: guys we had in the mix, but really we're hoping 412 00:17:53,200 --> 00:17:54,760 Speaker 2: Darius would be there, and he was. And sometimes it 413 00:17:54,840 --> 00:17:56,440 Speaker 2: just falls right and you get the player you were 414 00:17:56,440 --> 00:17:58,760 Speaker 2: interested in without having to give anything up. And this 415 00:17:58,840 --> 00:18:00,120 Speaker 2: was one of those times. 416 00:18:00,240 --> 00:18:02,239 Speaker 1: You said your phone blew up. What were some of 417 00:18:02,280 --> 00:18:05,120 Speaker 1: the the texts, like, man, we were thinking about him, 418 00:18:05,440 --> 00:18:07,960 Speaker 1: you know, early second round or whatever. You guys got him, 419 00:18:08,000 --> 00:18:09,199 Speaker 1: darn it? You know what were they think? 420 00:18:09,280 --> 00:18:10,800 Speaker 2: There's you know, you get a lot of these things, 421 00:18:10,800 --> 00:18:13,399 Speaker 2: oh great pick, you know, like there's a lot of 422 00:18:13,400 --> 00:18:16,760 Speaker 2: glad handon like that throughout the draft. But this was 423 00:18:16,840 --> 00:18:18,760 Speaker 2: multiple people that I've known for a long time that 424 00:18:18,800 --> 00:18:22,280 Speaker 2: I respect, coaches, scouts saying, you know, great pick you guys, 425 00:18:22,400 --> 00:18:24,239 Speaker 2: we were really trying to get him stuff like that. 426 00:18:24,400 --> 00:18:26,280 Speaker 2: So I think there were a lot of people that 427 00:18:26,359 --> 00:18:29,000 Speaker 2: would have been all over him had he slid past us, 428 00:18:29,760 --> 00:18:30,760 Speaker 2: but that wasn't gonna happen. 429 00:18:32,440 --> 00:18:35,120 Speaker 1: Starling Thomas, you touched on him, how he stood out 430 00:18:35,600 --> 00:18:38,679 Speaker 1: Sean Murphy Bunting obviously is going to be a starter 431 00:18:38,920 --> 00:18:43,600 Speaker 1: at corner the other corner position. You know, how important 432 00:18:43,640 --> 00:18:45,840 Speaker 1: is it for you guys to have a decision on 433 00:18:45,920 --> 00:18:48,159 Speaker 1: that at some point in camp as to who that 434 00:18:48,200 --> 00:18:49,040 Speaker 1: guy is going to be. 435 00:18:49,320 --> 00:18:52,120 Speaker 2: Well, I mean that's the coach's call. I don't think 436 00:18:52,119 --> 00:18:55,040 Speaker 2: it's that important. I think we have a lot of guys, 437 00:18:55,480 --> 00:18:58,040 Speaker 2: mostly younger players, who are really competing for spots on 438 00:18:58,080 --> 00:19:01,040 Speaker 2: the fifty three. And we we played a lot of 439 00:19:01,080 --> 00:19:03,879 Speaker 2: guys on defense last year, partly because of necessity, but 440 00:19:03,920 --> 00:19:06,120 Speaker 2: partly because if you're good enough to be on the field, 441 00:19:06,160 --> 00:19:07,359 Speaker 2: you're gonna be on the field. And these guys are 442 00:19:07,440 --> 00:19:08,960 Speaker 2: roll some guys through. And I think we're in a 443 00:19:08,960 --> 00:19:12,240 Speaker 2: good situation where it's not We're not relying on one 444 00:19:12,280 --> 00:19:15,240 Speaker 2: player to make this secondary work, you know, so I 445 00:19:15,240 --> 00:19:16,800 Speaker 2: think there's a bunch of guys who can fill in 446 00:19:16,800 --> 00:19:17,680 Speaker 2: that role right now. 447 00:19:18,040 --> 00:19:21,840 Speaker 1: Marvin Harrison Junior, you talked about that, Darius was the 448 00:19:21,840 --> 00:19:24,280 Speaker 1: guy you wanted all along. MANI was on the pod 449 00:19:24,320 --> 00:19:26,040 Speaker 1: and said, you know, we had our mind made up 450 00:19:26,040 --> 00:19:31,080 Speaker 1: about Marvin Harrison Junior early on, and knowing that there 451 00:19:31,080 --> 00:19:33,919 Speaker 1: were going to be quarterbacks going one, two, three, he 452 00:19:34,040 --> 00:19:36,639 Speaker 1: was going to be the pick at four. What have 453 00:19:36,720 --> 00:19:39,159 Speaker 1: you seen from him so far? I Wolf and I 454 00:19:39,240 --> 00:19:41,280 Speaker 1: talked about this on TV the other night doing the 455 00:19:41,280 --> 00:19:43,760 Speaker 1: preseason game. Like you kind of forget he's a rookie. 456 00:19:43,840 --> 00:19:47,560 Speaker 1: You just assume that he's going to be great because 457 00:19:47,920 --> 00:19:50,680 Speaker 1: he's excellent in everything he does. It feels like he's 458 00:19:50,720 --> 00:19:52,520 Speaker 1: been a pro for a long time. 459 00:19:52,880 --> 00:19:56,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, And that's what you know, as a scout, you're 460 00:19:56,640 --> 00:19:58,720 Speaker 2: usually watching the guys that you think maybe on the 461 00:19:58,720 --> 00:20:01,320 Speaker 2: bubble a little bit more or the more of the 462 00:20:01,359 --> 00:20:04,120 Speaker 2: developmental see how how many progress they make throughout camp, 463 00:20:04,200 --> 00:20:06,760 Speaker 2: things like that. You know, Marvin's a guy that, sometimes, 464 00:20:07,000 --> 00:20:08,639 Speaker 2: like you're saying, you forget to watch him because he 465 00:20:08,640 --> 00:20:11,160 Speaker 2: feels like a vet. You know, he's so polished, he's 466 00:20:11,160 --> 00:20:12,879 Speaker 2: such a pro and the way he approaches it, the 467 00:20:12,920 --> 00:20:15,879 Speaker 2: work ethic, the mental ability, and he's really been an 468 00:20:15,880 --> 00:20:19,000 Speaker 2: easy guy for us to get acclimated to the program. 469 00:20:19,000 --> 00:20:20,560 Speaker 2: And he's just hit the ground run. And so I 470 00:20:20,560 --> 00:20:22,440 Speaker 2: think the future is right for Marvin. Hell, he's still 471 00:20:22,440 --> 00:20:23,600 Speaker 2: a rookie, you know, he's still got a lot of 472 00:20:23,600 --> 00:20:25,000 Speaker 2: work to do, just like the rest of these guys, 473 00:20:25,080 --> 00:20:26,840 Speaker 2: but he's been great so far. 474 00:20:27,040 --> 00:20:28,959 Speaker 1: How did you when you watch the film from this 475 00:20:29,000 --> 00:20:31,840 Speaker 1: past game, how did you evaluate the two guys that 476 00:20:31,880 --> 00:20:34,360 Speaker 1: are battling for the backup spot behind Kyler. 477 00:20:35,200 --> 00:20:38,440 Speaker 2: You know, again, because of the limited scheme that we're 478 00:20:38,440 --> 00:20:41,680 Speaker 2: putting in, it's hard to really come up one way 479 00:20:41,720 --> 00:20:45,120 Speaker 2: or another. I think the totality of practices play every 480 00:20:45,160 --> 00:20:47,160 Speaker 2: bit as much as the game stuff does. We're gonna 481 00:20:47,160 --> 00:20:49,240 Speaker 2: go up we're gonna have a couple practices with Indy 482 00:20:49,320 --> 00:20:51,199 Speaker 2: that'll be really good. So we'll get some one on 483 00:20:51,200 --> 00:20:53,800 Speaker 2: ones first team versus first team work for both of 484 00:20:53,800 --> 00:20:57,480 Speaker 2: those guys, and then they're gonna split their reps again 485 00:20:57,680 --> 00:21:01,040 Speaker 2: in game two, I believe. So that's going to be exciting. 486 00:21:01,160 --> 00:21:04,199 Speaker 2: I think it's a close battle and that it's not 487 00:21:04,240 --> 00:21:05,119 Speaker 2: close to being decided. 488 00:21:05,320 --> 00:21:07,840 Speaker 1: I don't think yeah, And obviously it's really important because 489 00:21:08,160 --> 00:21:10,560 Speaker 1: you know it's hard to make it through seventeen games 490 00:21:10,560 --> 00:21:14,439 Speaker 1: at any position, and obviously at that position. Kyler's healthy. 491 00:21:15,400 --> 00:21:18,280 Speaker 1: Everybody says he's done everything we've asked him to do. 492 00:21:18,600 --> 00:21:20,840 Speaker 1: What do you think is the next step for him? 493 00:21:20,840 --> 00:21:23,480 Speaker 1: Because I know you scouted him, I'm sure very early 494 00:21:23,520 --> 00:21:25,560 Speaker 1: on in his high school career when a lot of 495 00:21:25,560 --> 00:21:28,119 Speaker 1: people said, and you maybe we're one of them. I 496 00:21:28,160 --> 00:21:30,440 Speaker 1: heard people say he's the best high school player I've 497 00:21:30,440 --> 00:21:34,680 Speaker 1: ever seen. Where is he and where do you think 498 00:21:34,720 --> 00:21:36,359 Speaker 1: he can go this year? Well? 499 00:21:36,400 --> 00:21:38,520 Speaker 2: I think Kyler has been awesome since we've been here. 500 00:21:38,560 --> 00:21:42,520 Speaker 2: Really with the rehab process last year. You know, anytime 501 00:21:42,560 --> 00:21:44,600 Speaker 2: you have a coaching staff turnover, you're getting a new 502 00:21:44,640 --> 00:21:47,240 Speaker 2: offensive coordinator, a new quarterback coach, new head coach, new 503 00:21:47,240 --> 00:21:50,399 Speaker 2: general manager. You know, people don't always look at that 504 00:21:50,440 --> 00:21:52,679 Speaker 2: from the player's perspective and how much change they have 505 00:21:52,720 --> 00:21:55,119 Speaker 2: to deal with. In anybody who goes into their new 506 00:21:55,200 --> 00:21:57,800 Speaker 2: job and you've got a new boss, a new direct superior, 507 00:21:57,800 --> 00:21:59,919 Speaker 2: a new guy's working with, that's going to take you 508 00:22:00,000 --> 00:22:02,480 Speaker 2: a while to get comfortable acclimate. And Kyler's done nothing 509 00:22:02,520 --> 00:22:04,520 Speaker 2: but put his best foot forward from the second all 510 00:22:04,560 --> 00:22:06,679 Speaker 2: of us got here. And I think anybody in this 511 00:22:06,800 --> 00:22:10,480 Speaker 2: organization would tell you that. So everybody that I've ever 512 00:22:10,520 --> 00:22:13,080 Speaker 2: talked to is very pleased with Kyler. I think in 513 00:22:13,200 --> 00:22:16,240 Speaker 2: terms of Kyler's improvement, that's you know, that's up to 514 00:22:16,320 --> 00:22:18,720 Speaker 2: him and the coaches where that needs to come. But 515 00:22:18,800 --> 00:22:21,440 Speaker 2: Kyler's been great. I mean, he's had really good practices. 516 00:22:21,680 --> 00:22:24,320 Speaker 2: He's here all the time. The guy's a workaholic. You know, 517 00:22:24,400 --> 00:22:28,119 Speaker 2: he's digging into every facet of improvement. You're going to 518 00:22:28,160 --> 00:22:30,919 Speaker 2: see him with, you know, a strength coach, a trainer, 519 00:22:31,080 --> 00:22:32,879 Speaker 2: a coach you know, out on the field thrown like 520 00:22:32,880 --> 00:22:36,080 Speaker 2: there's the guy's never not working. So there's certainly not 521 00:22:36,160 --> 00:22:39,800 Speaker 2: any kind of concern there. So I'm excited to see 522 00:22:39,800 --> 00:22:41,840 Speaker 2: what he can do. The guy's as healthy as he's 523 00:22:41,880 --> 00:22:44,400 Speaker 2: ever been. You know, he looks athletic, his arm looks live. 524 00:22:44,640 --> 00:22:47,800 Speaker 2: He's had great practices. So you know, you got to 525 00:22:47,800 --> 00:22:50,080 Speaker 2: carry that over the season, that's what matters. But I 526 00:22:50,080 --> 00:22:51,800 Speaker 2: think he's ready to do that. I'm excited for us. 527 00:22:52,560 --> 00:22:55,199 Speaker 1: Your second run pick. You guys had what seven guys 528 00:22:55,240 --> 00:22:57,760 Speaker 1: in the first ninety picks? Your second run pick, Max Melton, 529 00:22:57,760 --> 00:22:59,600 Speaker 1: Hopefully we'll get a chance to see him in Indy. 530 00:23:00,000 --> 00:23:02,760 Speaker 1: Played at Rutgers. Greg Ciano has a history of producing 531 00:23:02,840 --> 00:23:07,119 Speaker 1: guys that end up making it in the NFL. I 532 00:23:07,200 --> 00:23:10,440 Speaker 1: did not have you know, ESPN, ABC, We don't have 533 00:23:10,480 --> 00:23:12,720 Speaker 1: any big ten anymore so other than the bowl game 534 00:23:12,800 --> 00:23:14,320 Speaker 1: or if it's a non conference game. I didn't see 535 00:23:14,359 --> 00:23:16,480 Speaker 1: him at all last year. What did you guys see 536 00:23:16,480 --> 00:23:19,479 Speaker 1: in him that really got you excited about picking him 537 00:23:19,480 --> 00:23:20,159 Speaker 1: where he did well. 538 00:23:20,200 --> 00:23:21,600 Speaker 2: There's a lot of those things you just talked about 539 00:23:21,640 --> 00:23:24,760 Speaker 2: about the Rutgers program, about how those guys are coached again, 540 00:23:25,280 --> 00:23:27,159 Speaker 2: kind of like Marvin, this guy's a pro. He's got 541 00:23:27,200 --> 00:23:28,879 Speaker 2: an older brother who plays in the league. Bo Melton 542 00:23:28,960 --> 00:23:32,680 Speaker 2: guy comes from an athletic family, and Max really good 543 00:23:32,680 --> 00:23:36,639 Speaker 2: special teamer, good defensive back, who's improved throughout his career. 544 00:23:37,080 --> 00:23:39,679 Speaker 2: We saw the speed, length, athletic ability you're looking for 545 00:23:39,760 --> 00:23:41,720 Speaker 2: in a corner, those kind of traits to develop and 546 00:23:41,720 --> 00:23:43,680 Speaker 2: work with. But we also saw a good player and 547 00:23:43,760 --> 00:23:46,880 Speaker 2: a guy who's tough, who is fast, who had cover skills, 548 00:23:47,200 --> 00:23:50,240 Speaker 2: zone and man special teams. So we see a lot 549 00:23:50,280 --> 00:23:52,800 Speaker 2: of tools there to continue to develop. And Max is 550 00:23:52,840 --> 00:23:54,280 Speaker 2: having a really good camp. He missed a little bit 551 00:23:54,320 --> 00:23:55,760 Speaker 2: of time, but hopefully we'll get him back out there 552 00:23:55,800 --> 00:23:57,639 Speaker 2: for Indy and he can keep building on that because 553 00:23:57,760 --> 00:23:59,520 Speaker 2: he's looked good. I mean, we're excited about Max. 554 00:23:59,320 --> 00:24:01,639 Speaker 1: For SUREA Adams when you went back and watched the 555 00:24:01,640 --> 00:24:04,199 Speaker 1: film from this past week, because what we're seeing a 556 00:24:04,240 --> 00:24:07,920 Speaker 1: couple times is he got beat. But obviously we don't 557 00:24:07,960 --> 00:24:09,879 Speaker 1: know what the call is. We don't know, you know, 558 00:24:09,960 --> 00:24:12,399 Speaker 1: if it was a mistake by him or somebody else. 559 00:24:13,200 --> 00:24:15,520 Speaker 1: Where are some area what are some things that excite 560 00:24:15,520 --> 00:24:17,560 Speaker 1: you about him? Where are some things you think he 561 00:24:17,600 --> 00:24:19,080 Speaker 1: needs to grow here throughout camp? 562 00:24:19,200 --> 00:24:21,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I think Isaiah, as soon as we 563 00:24:22,000 --> 00:24:23,760 Speaker 2: got him in here again, this guy is a really 564 00:24:23,800 --> 00:24:26,280 Speaker 2: hard worker. He's a tough guy. He's just been grinding 565 00:24:26,320 --> 00:24:30,320 Speaker 2: and I think, you know, live game fans might say, oh, 566 00:24:30,359 --> 00:24:32,880 Speaker 2: Isaiah's really struggling. You watch the tape, it's not quite 567 00:24:32,880 --> 00:24:35,320 Speaker 2: what you thought it was live, and then you realize, oh, 568 00:24:35,400 --> 00:24:37,840 Speaker 2: that sack that you would have thought watching the game live, 569 00:24:37,880 --> 00:24:39,760 Speaker 2: that's not on Isaiah. You know, things like that, Like 570 00:24:39,840 --> 00:24:41,960 Speaker 2: you're just saying the scheme wise, But I think he 571 00:24:42,000 --> 00:24:44,600 Speaker 2: shows physicality. He had a couple of pancake blocks in 572 00:24:44,640 --> 00:24:46,600 Speaker 2: the game. He also had some mistakes, got beat a 573 00:24:46,640 --> 00:24:49,080 Speaker 2: couple times. But that's any rookie offensive lineman, I mean 574 00:24:49,200 --> 00:24:51,639 Speaker 2: it is. That's probably, other than the quarterback, the hardest 575 00:24:51,640 --> 00:24:54,600 Speaker 2: position to acclimate to the speed of the game, the technique, 576 00:24:54,680 --> 00:24:57,679 Speaker 2: the kind of monsters you're trying to block, and stuff 577 00:24:57,680 --> 00:24:58,800 Speaker 2: like that. And he was going in there. It was 578 00:24:58,800 --> 00:25:00,760 Speaker 2: a really good test against the same first team online 579 00:25:00,760 --> 00:25:03,000 Speaker 2: they have. They have a good front Dlon excuse me. 580 00:25:03,480 --> 00:25:05,000 Speaker 2: So he had some good matchups and I think he 581 00:25:05,119 --> 00:25:07,359 Speaker 2: learned from that. There's good plays on film. There's some 582 00:25:07,359 --> 00:25:09,760 Speaker 2: place he'd like that back and improve, and he'll improve 583 00:25:09,840 --> 00:25:11,920 Speaker 2: upon those. That's what the coaches are working on right now. 584 00:25:11,960 --> 00:25:14,879 Speaker 2: So we're excited about Isaiah, and you know, it just 585 00:25:15,080 --> 00:25:17,879 Speaker 2: it takes time with offensive LINEMENP like you see guys 586 00:25:18,000 --> 00:25:20,400 Speaker 2: develop three four years into the league that didn't look 587 00:25:20,480 --> 00:25:22,959 Speaker 2: very good early in their careers because there's so much 588 00:25:23,080 --> 00:25:25,919 Speaker 2: nuance in that position, the technique that just learning the 589 00:25:26,240 --> 00:25:28,520 Speaker 2: guys will get moved from different positions and getting the 590 00:25:28,520 --> 00:25:31,480 Speaker 2: footwork down side to side, like, there's a tremendous amount 591 00:25:31,520 --> 00:25:32,920 Speaker 2: of improvement you can make there. 592 00:25:33,119 --> 00:25:35,879 Speaker 1: So as you guys get through the joint practices the 593 00:25:35,880 --> 00:25:38,920 Speaker 1: next two preseason games and you start to finalize the roster, 594 00:25:39,200 --> 00:25:42,880 Speaker 1: what goes on in the room take us inside there 595 00:25:42,920 --> 00:25:45,439 Speaker 1: in terms of what the conversations are like, all the 596 00:25:45,480 --> 00:25:48,320 Speaker 1: things that you guys have to consider, whether it's on 597 00:25:48,359 --> 00:25:51,880 Speaker 1: the personnel side or the coaching side. About Okay, here 598 00:25:51,920 --> 00:25:53,359 Speaker 1: are the guys that are on this team. 599 00:25:53,640 --> 00:25:57,199 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think you know, JG and MONI are going 600 00:25:57,280 --> 00:26:00,680 Speaker 2: to lead that. And I think this is a more 601 00:26:00,720 --> 00:26:02,560 Speaker 2: competitive roster than it was a year ago. I think 602 00:26:02,640 --> 00:26:04,240 Speaker 2: I can confidently say it. So there are gonna be 603 00:26:04,320 --> 00:26:06,800 Speaker 2: some tough decisions here. We are going to probably have 604 00:26:06,840 --> 00:26:09,240 Speaker 2: to cut some players that will catch on and produce 605 00:26:09,280 --> 00:26:11,760 Speaker 2: for somebody else. And that's just as you develop your roster, 606 00:26:12,800 --> 00:26:14,560 Speaker 2: you're gonna have some of that. But we need to 607 00:26:14,560 --> 00:26:18,240 Speaker 2: get the right fifty three for us guys that are 608 00:26:18,280 --> 00:26:20,320 Speaker 2: gonna be the best players we can get, but also 609 00:26:20,480 --> 00:26:23,119 Speaker 2: fit roles on the team. Like that's where special teams 610 00:26:23,160 --> 00:26:25,359 Speaker 2: comes into play. That's where you know, hey, do you 611 00:26:25,440 --> 00:26:29,399 Speaker 2: keep a x amount of olignement versus x amount of 612 00:26:29,440 --> 00:26:31,199 Speaker 2: dbs who's going to be active on game day? How 613 00:26:31,280 --> 00:26:32,840 Speaker 2: much are you gonna get from that guy versus the 614 00:26:32,880 --> 00:26:35,560 Speaker 2: long term prospect who may not help you at all 615 00:26:35,600 --> 00:26:38,240 Speaker 2: this year other than just a depth role. So those 616 00:26:38,280 --> 00:26:41,400 Speaker 2: are hard things to balance, especially when you like both players. 617 00:26:41,400 --> 00:26:43,280 Speaker 2: But that's what it comes down to. Really, it comes 618 00:26:43,280 --> 00:26:47,040 Speaker 2: down to this position depth player versus dis position depth player. 619 00:26:47,080 --> 00:26:48,679 Speaker 2: Can either one of those guys help us on game day? 620 00:26:48,680 --> 00:26:51,919 Speaker 2: Who's closer, who has a path to the game, and 621 00:26:51,960 --> 00:26:54,800 Speaker 2: who does that quicker versus you know, the long term 622 00:26:54,840 --> 00:26:56,960 Speaker 2: benefits of keeping a player and developing them. 623 00:26:57,160 --> 00:27:00,280 Speaker 1: Does the new kickoff rule make it harder this year 624 00:27:00,400 --> 00:27:04,440 Speaker 1: because you may, you know, in the past, say well 625 00:27:04,520 --> 00:27:06,960 Speaker 1: we're going to keep six receivers no matter what, because 626 00:27:06,960 --> 00:27:08,359 Speaker 1: one of them is going to be a returner and 627 00:27:08,400 --> 00:27:11,200 Speaker 1: a gunner. Well, now you don't you need a gunner 628 00:27:11,240 --> 00:27:14,119 Speaker 1: on punts, but you don't need them on kickoff, So like, 629 00:27:14,200 --> 00:27:18,160 Speaker 1: how could that impact whether you keep a big guy 630 00:27:18,200 --> 00:27:20,200 Speaker 1: as opposed to a speed guy and the back end 631 00:27:20,200 --> 00:27:21,800 Speaker 1: of the roster for special teams. 632 00:27:21,920 --> 00:27:24,199 Speaker 2: You know, I think that's still to be determined because 633 00:27:24,920 --> 00:27:27,240 Speaker 2: you know, yes, you don't need a gunner for kickoff, 634 00:27:27,280 --> 00:27:30,640 Speaker 2: but as we've seen early on so far, those blocks 635 00:27:30,760 --> 00:27:33,680 Speaker 2: are getting defeated fast and guys are coming clean because 636 00:27:33,720 --> 00:27:35,479 Speaker 2: you can whip a guy in five yards and so 637 00:27:35,560 --> 00:27:38,560 Speaker 2: speed does speed. Quickness still matters, and it's really a 638 00:27:38,600 --> 00:27:41,640 Speaker 2: toughness factor then, so I think you're going to still 639 00:27:41,760 --> 00:27:45,080 Speaker 2: lean toward the best prospects that can also play some 640 00:27:45,119 --> 00:27:49,359 Speaker 2: special teams for you. Will this ends up translating into 641 00:27:49,359 --> 00:27:52,560 Speaker 2: a few more special teams safeties or special teams inside 642 00:27:52,600 --> 00:27:55,040 Speaker 2: linebackers possibly, you know, we just have to wait and 643 00:27:55,080 --> 00:27:56,960 Speaker 2: see how to go. You know, going back to the 644 00:27:56,960 --> 00:27:59,159 Speaker 2: way kickoffs used to be covered and you'd always have 645 00:27:59,200 --> 00:28:01,840 Speaker 2: your special teams imbacker where like you were talking about, 646 00:28:02,119 --> 00:28:04,040 Speaker 2: maybe they shifted away from that to more of your 647 00:28:04,119 --> 00:28:07,040 Speaker 2: special teams gunners, extra gunners and stuff like that in 648 00:28:07,040 --> 00:28:08,600 Speaker 2: the last couple of years because they kickoff kind of 649 00:28:08,600 --> 00:28:08,960 Speaker 2: went away. 650 00:28:08,960 --> 00:28:10,320 Speaker 1: All right, A couple board day, We'll get you out 651 00:28:10,320 --> 00:28:13,760 Speaker 1: of here time. I was reading an ESPN article on 652 00:28:13,800 --> 00:28:16,600 Speaker 1: you from I think it was like twenty twenty that 653 00:28:16,760 --> 00:28:20,440 Speaker 1: featured you just talking about your you know, life as 654 00:28:20,480 --> 00:28:23,440 Speaker 1: a scout on the road, and I thought I read 655 00:28:23,480 --> 00:28:26,879 Speaker 1: something about you collect something. Is it like credentials? Did I? 656 00:28:27,080 --> 00:28:30,119 Speaker 1: Did I misread that? Or if you collected what you'd have? 657 00:28:30,240 --> 00:28:33,080 Speaker 1: Because I have and some of it was not intentional, 658 00:28:33,160 --> 00:28:36,240 Speaker 1: Like I have a lot of credentials from like twenty 659 00:28:36,320 --> 00:28:38,640 Speaker 1: years ago of games I did, I remember and I 660 00:28:38,680 --> 00:28:42,000 Speaker 1: got rid of them. I had like boards because as 661 00:28:42,000 --> 00:28:43,560 Speaker 1: a play by play guy, you've got like a chart 662 00:28:43,560 --> 00:28:44,960 Speaker 1: in front of you. And I had a Miami of 663 00:28:45,000 --> 00:28:48,600 Speaker 1: Ohio game that I did for ESPN and Sean McVay 664 00:28:48,800 --> 00:28:51,240 Speaker 1: was a player, like so I like him, like McVeigh. 665 00:28:51,240 --> 00:28:52,520 Speaker 1: I'm like, oh man, that's Sean McVay. Like I was 666 00:28:52,520 --> 00:28:54,040 Speaker 1: just kind of looking through some of the old ones, 667 00:28:54,080 --> 00:28:56,360 Speaker 1: and I don't know, is this something No? 668 00:28:56,720 --> 00:28:59,840 Speaker 2: I collect Mary on points, that's what No. I didn't 669 00:29:00,120 --> 00:29:02,120 Speaker 2: any credentials or anything like that. I try and keep 670 00:29:02,120 --> 00:29:04,800 Speaker 2: all my old scouting reports that what I wrote, and 671 00:29:04,840 --> 00:29:07,040 Speaker 2: I keep all those in a bin. It's in the 672 00:29:07,120 --> 00:29:10,440 Speaker 2: storage bin, you know, storage unit right now. But not 673 00:29:10,480 --> 00:29:11,800 Speaker 2: really sure why I do that. You know, I just 674 00:29:11,840 --> 00:29:13,360 Speaker 2: kind of feel bad throwing them out because I put 675 00:29:13,360 --> 00:29:14,160 Speaker 2: so much work into it. 676 00:29:14,200 --> 00:29:17,160 Speaker 1: But you know, so you have you have reports from 677 00:29:17,200 --> 00:29:18,680 Speaker 1: like nineteen ninety. 678 00:29:18,280 --> 00:29:20,000 Speaker 2: I have every report I've ever written. 679 00:29:20,160 --> 00:29:22,040 Speaker 1: So do you ever go back and looking and be like, man, 680 00:29:22,080 --> 00:29:23,000 Speaker 1: I nailed that one. 681 00:29:23,440 --> 00:29:26,040 Speaker 2: Occasionally I will, especially if a guy reminds me of 682 00:29:26,120 --> 00:29:28,520 Speaker 2: a dude I wrote twenty years ago, and I'll go 683 00:29:28,600 --> 00:29:30,360 Speaker 2: look at you know, let me go look at my 684 00:29:30,360 --> 00:29:33,320 Speaker 2: Canard Lang report and see, hey, oh hey, yeah, all right, 685 00:29:33,360 --> 00:29:34,920 Speaker 2: I was off on that dude, or yeah, he didn't 686 00:29:34,920 --> 00:29:36,440 Speaker 2: remind me so much of that, or like, yeah, that's 687 00:29:36,480 --> 00:29:37,360 Speaker 2: exactly what I was thinking. 688 00:29:37,480 --> 00:29:37,520 Speaker 1: Is. 689 00:29:38,040 --> 00:29:39,800 Speaker 2: I do have a pretty good memory, so a lot 690 00:29:39,840 --> 00:29:42,080 Speaker 2: of this stuff is still retained up there. But the 691 00:29:42,080 --> 00:29:44,440 Speaker 2: more names you add to your little mental database, the 692 00:29:44,440 --> 00:29:45,040 Speaker 2: more you forget. 693 00:29:45,120 --> 00:29:47,360 Speaker 1: So do you remember what you had written up on? 694 00:29:47,400 --> 00:29:51,000 Speaker 2: Tom Brady did not scout Tom Brady, So Larry Fitzgerald 695 00:29:51,240 --> 00:29:52,160 Speaker 2: didn't scout fits. 696 00:29:52,640 --> 00:29:54,400 Speaker 1: I'm trying to think who else would have been. 697 00:29:54,960 --> 00:29:57,840 Speaker 2: I was a Southeast Scout for the majority of my career, 698 00:29:57,880 --> 00:29:58,840 Speaker 2: so most guys. 699 00:29:58,560 --> 00:30:00,800 Speaker 1: Coming out of there, Carlos Dan who was a big 700 00:30:00,840 --> 00:30:02,120 Speaker 1: part of the Cardinals Super Bowl. 701 00:30:02,200 --> 00:30:04,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I remember Carlos. Do you remember what 702 00:30:04,320 --> 00:30:07,600 Speaker 2: you had on a versatile guy? I would say second round? 703 00:30:07,600 --> 00:30:08,400 Speaker 2: Probably great. 704 00:30:09,680 --> 00:30:12,120 Speaker 1: Again the fact that you but I mean the fact 705 00:30:12,160 --> 00:30:13,760 Speaker 1: you even remember that he was a second round pick. 706 00:30:13,760 --> 00:30:15,840 Speaker 1: A lot of people probably probably wouldn't remember that. So 707 00:30:16,320 --> 00:30:19,960 Speaker 1: it's impressive. Any like misses that you think about and 708 00:30:20,000 --> 00:30:21,680 Speaker 1: you're like, man, I was wrong on that guy, I mean, 709 00:30:21,720 --> 00:30:24,560 Speaker 1: you're not. If you have them, you're not alone. 710 00:30:24,720 --> 00:30:27,040 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I mean that's a big part of learning 711 00:30:27,120 --> 00:30:30,239 Speaker 2: in this business is learning from your mistakes. And I think, uh, 712 00:30:30,560 --> 00:30:31,920 Speaker 2: the way to be a good scout is to be 713 00:30:32,000 --> 00:30:34,680 Speaker 2: humble and to really analyze why you miss. You get 714 00:30:34,720 --> 00:30:37,760 Speaker 2: more out of learning why you missed, then why you hit, 715 00:30:38,680 --> 00:30:41,080 Speaker 2: and then not making those mistakes a second time and trying. 716 00:30:41,200 --> 00:30:42,800 Speaker 2: You know, scout. A big part of scouting at a 717 00:30:42,800 --> 00:30:45,000 Speaker 2: guy who wants to was scouting is about comparison, and 718 00:30:45,040 --> 00:30:47,440 Speaker 2: I think that's that's largely true. And once you have 719 00:30:47,560 --> 00:30:49,480 Speaker 2: that roll dex of players that you could say, this 720 00:30:49,520 --> 00:30:51,640 Speaker 2: guy reminds me a lot of this guy. This guy 721 00:30:51,680 --> 00:30:53,680 Speaker 2: was a good player. He made it so even though 722 00:30:53,720 --> 00:30:56,280 Speaker 2: I don't love everything about this player, he has some 723 00:30:56,320 --> 00:30:57,600 Speaker 2: of those same traits that they are going to allow 724 00:30:57,640 --> 00:30:59,680 Speaker 2: him to make it because I've seen player A make 725 00:30:59,680 --> 00:31:02,280 Speaker 2: it before and the more you do that and then 726 00:31:02,560 --> 00:31:04,800 Speaker 2: vice versa, I don't think this guy's gonna make it 727 00:31:04,840 --> 00:31:07,160 Speaker 2: because he's gonna have the same problems that player B 728 00:31:07,320 --> 00:31:09,680 Speaker 2: had and player BE didn't make it. I liked Player B, 729 00:31:09,760 --> 00:31:11,360 Speaker 2: and I made a mistake, then let me not make 730 00:31:11,400 --> 00:31:14,760 Speaker 2: another one. So I think, yeah, I got plenty of missus. 731 00:31:16,120 --> 00:31:17,920 Speaker 2: I had a boss who once told me he cuts 732 00:31:17,920 --> 00:31:19,600 Speaker 2: off a finger every time he misses. You know, so 733 00:31:19,960 --> 00:31:23,240 Speaker 2: you got Chuck Backer, but no I got I've got 734 00:31:23,280 --> 00:31:24,880 Speaker 2: a ton of misses, and like I said, I try 735 00:31:24,880 --> 00:31:26,840 Speaker 2: and learn from all of them. So this would be 736 00:31:26,840 --> 00:31:27,920 Speaker 2: a two hour show if I went. 737 00:31:27,960 --> 00:31:31,320 Speaker 1: All the yeah yeah, Well, well, one other thing I 738 00:31:31,360 --> 00:31:34,160 Speaker 1: was curious about before I let you go, now that 739 00:31:34,200 --> 00:31:36,840 Speaker 1: you've kind of watched MANI in this role as opposed 740 00:31:36,880 --> 00:31:39,040 Speaker 1: to a role that's similar that the to the role 741 00:31:39,080 --> 00:31:41,320 Speaker 1: that you have now as you know, the number two 742 00:31:41,400 --> 00:31:44,360 Speaker 1: guy and being around whether it was Brad Holmes or 743 00:31:44,400 --> 00:31:48,760 Speaker 1: other gms. Obviously, to be a general manager, it's more 744 00:31:48,800 --> 00:31:53,360 Speaker 1: than just scouting. It's you know, scouting coaches. It's relationships 745 00:31:53,360 --> 00:31:55,560 Speaker 1: with players, relationship with the media, Like, what are some 746 00:31:55,640 --> 00:31:58,880 Speaker 1: of the things you've noticed, Like are you taking notes? 747 00:31:59,600 --> 00:32:02,600 Speaker 1: I had, You've been taking notes on other things as 748 00:32:02,640 --> 00:32:05,560 Speaker 1: you think about what you want to do with the 749 00:32:05,560 --> 00:32:06,680 Speaker 1: next step in your career. 750 00:32:07,080 --> 00:32:10,880 Speaker 2: I think for me and what I've always done, and 751 00:32:11,040 --> 00:32:13,600 Speaker 2: this is just the way I operate. My focus is 752 00:32:13,880 --> 00:32:16,480 Speaker 2: entirely on being the best assistant general manager I can be. 753 00:32:16,600 --> 00:32:19,240 Speaker 2: If something else comes along down the road, that's great. 754 00:32:19,240 --> 00:32:21,360 Speaker 2: If it doesn't, that's great too, because I love being here. 755 00:32:21,800 --> 00:32:24,720 Speaker 2: Michael's giving me a great opportunity. Moni's giving a great opportunity. 756 00:32:24,760 --> 00:32:27,200 Speaker 2: I love working with JG and the staff and everybody else, 757 00:32:27,560 --> 00:32:30,560 Speaker 2: and so I do do that a little bit, just 758 00:32:30,600 --> 00:32:33,080 Speaker 2: because there's parts of this job that I'm doing now 759 00:32:33,080 --> 00:32:34,920 Speaker 2: that I never really understood untill I got in here. 760 00:32:34,920 --> 00:32:36,800 Speaker 2: And there's a lot of stuff that Moni does right 761 00:32:36,840 --> 00:32:39,080 Speaker 2: now that you don't really think of. That doesn't have 762 00:32:39,160 --> 00:32:43,680 Speaker 2: to do with roster construction or scouting personnel evaluations. It 763 00:32:43,680 --> 00:32:46,560 Speaker 2: has to do with running an entire organization from his chair. 764 00:32:46,840 --> 00:32:49,040 Speaker 2: The stuff he's asked to do in terms of you know, 765 00:32:49,080 --> 00:32:52,040 Speaker 2: maybe staffing or budgets or travel or things where people 766 00:32:52,120 --> 00:32:55,320 Speaker 2: go to him for questions or answers, and that that's 767 00:32:55,360 --> 00:32:57,800 Speaker 2: different than saying, can this left tackle take a good passeet? 768 00:32:57,920 --> 00:33:00,480 Speaker 2: Or how is this defensive tackles get off? Stuff that 769 00:33:01,160 --> 00:33:02,880 Speaker 2: I'm qualified to do. I'm not qualified to do that 770 00:33:02,920 --> 00:33:06,720 Speaker 2: other stuff. So listening to him, learning from him, watching 771 00:33:07,160 --> 00:33:10,760 Speaker 2: you know what he's going through. I do absorb that, 772 00:33:11,080 --> 00:33:13,720 Speaker 2: But I'm focusing on scouting the players and getting this 773 00:33:13,800 --> 00:33:15,120 Speaker 2: roster group as good as it can be. 774 00:33:15,160 --> 00:33:18,200 Speaker 1: Really right now, as a diehard Denver Nugget fan, did 775 00:33:18,240 --> 00:33:20,840 Speaker 1: you scout nicolea Jokic thinking he would be this good? 776 00:33:20,880 --> 00:33:22,800 Speaker 1: Because Bob Myers, who I did a bunch of games 777 00:33:22,800 --> 00:33:25,280 Speaker 1: that last year, said in the room, we weren't even 778 00:33:25,280 --> 00:33:28,040 Speaker 1: talking about him, like we knew who he was, but 779 00:33:28,200 --> 00:33:30,120 Speaker 1: we weren't. Nobody was even talking about him. He went 780 00:33:30,120 --> 00:33:30,840 Speaker 1: in the second round. 781 00:33:30,960 --> 00:33:33,560 Speaker 2: I actually saw him play over in Serbia in the 782 00:33:33,560 --> 00:33:38,320 Speaker 2: eighth grade, and I. 783 00:33:36,480 --> 00:33:39,120 Speaker 1: See based on you though, in just who you are, 784 00:33:39,200 --> 00:33:40,680 Speaker 1: it would not have surprised me that you had a 785 00:33:40,720 --> 00:33:41,720 Speaker 1: complete like breakdown. 786 00:33:41,800 --> 00:33:45,120 Speaker 2: No, I love that guy. Man A huge Nuggets fan, 787 00:33:45,160 --> 00:33:46,440 Speaker 2: and you know they got some great players. 788 00:33:46,600 --> 00:33:49,200 Speaker 1: How did you become a Denver Nuggets fan living in 789 00:33:49,200 --> 00:33:49,640 Speaker 1: the East Coast. 790 00:33:49,720 --> 00:33:51,440 Speaker 2: You know, I grew I grew up in Long Island 791 00:33:51,440 --> 00:33:53,720 Speaker 2: and Upstate New York, and I was never a Giant 792 00:33:53,840 --> 00:33:56,280 Speaker 2: Jet fan. I was always a Bronco fan, and then 793 00:33:56,320 --> 00:33:58,000 Speaker 2: I just kind of just started checking out the basketball 794 00:33:58,000 --> 00:33:59,920 Speaker 2: team too. That was back when they had Fat Lead, 795 00:34:00,120 --> 00:34:02,400 Speaker 2: who's my all time favorite player, Alex English. You know, 796 00:34:02,440 --> 00:34:04,720 Speaker 2: some of those great old Nugget teams, and so I've 797 00:34:04,720 --> 00:34:07,200 Speaker 2: always been a Nugget fan. I'm not a New York 798 00:34:07,240 --> 00:34:08,759 Speaker 2: sports fan of any of the teams, which is kind 799 00:34:08,760 --> 00:34:10,560 Speaker 2: of weird because that's all I've been exposed to on 800 00:34:10,640 --> 00:34:11,160 Speaker 2: my childhood. 801 00:34:11,440 --> 00:34:13,439 Speaker 1: Well, I know, Cardinal fans are glad that you're here, 802 00:34:13,520 --> 00:34:15,080 Speaker 1: and this has been great, Dave, getting to know you 803 00:34:15,120 --> 00:34:17,200 Speaker 1: a little bit more and getting the fans to have 804 00:34:17,440 --> 00:34:19,279 Speaker 1: a better feel for Dave Sears. I appreciate the time. 805 00:34:19,520 --> 00:34:22,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, man, Thanks Dave. 806 00:34:25,560 --> 00:34:29,759 Speaker 1: Just some fascinating stuff there from Dave on player breakdown 807 00:34:30,160 --> 00:34:33,040 Speaker 1: on what it's like to scout a player, what goes 808 00:34:33,080 --> 00:34:36,239 Speaker 1: into that, what the conversations are like between he and 809 00:34:36,440 --> 00:34:40,040 Speaker 1: GM montiasen fort their relationship which goes back more than 810 00:34:40,040 --> 00:34:44,120 Speaker 1: two decades, and also the conversations and what they're like 811 00:34:44,320 --> 00:34:47,120 Speaker 1: in the room when it comes to decision making on 812 00:34:47,200 --> 00:34:49,880 Speaker 1: the fifty three man roster. Just really cool stuff and 813 00:34:49,920 --> 00:34:52,239 Speaker 1: hopefully that brings you the fan inside a little bit 814 00:34:52,239 --> 00:34:54,480 Speaker 1: more what it's like to be in the shoes of 815 00:34:54,520 --> 00:34:57,319 Speaker 1: a decision maker in the National Football League. We are 816 00:34:57,360 --> 00:35:00,440 Speaker 1: presented by Heela River Resorts and Casinos. Take it to 817 00:35:00,480 --> 00:35:03,440 Speaker 1: another level with Heela River Resorts and Casinos. 818 00:35:03,840 --> 00:35:05,760 Speaker 2: You do you You can. 819 00:35:05,600 --> 00:35:08,680 Speaker 1: Follow me on Twitter at Dave Pash, and you can 820 00:35:08,719 --> 00:35:12,080 Speaker 1: also go to your favorite podcast platform, rate us, review us, 821 00:35:12,440 --> 00:35:14,880 Speaker 1: tell us what you think. Our thanks to you, and 822 00:35:14,920 --> 00:35:18,200 Speaker 1: our thanks to assistant GM Dave Sears. 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