1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:02,720 Speaker 1: People are always going to say something. Always they're going 2 00:00:02,800 --> 00:00:05,000 Speaker 1: to try to have some type of narrative. But as 3 00:00:05,040 --> 00:00:07,040 Speaker 1: long as you know what's real, I think that's what 4 00:00:07,160 --> 00:00:08,119 Speaker 1: can help you keep your saying. 5 00:00:08,400 --> 00:00:11,000 Speaker 2: The best selling authoring most the number one health and 6 00:00:11,000 --> 00:00:13,000 Speaker 2: wellness podcast On Purpose. 7 00:00:12,640 --> 00:00:17,560 Speaker 3: With Chris Paul On Purpose, thank you for being here. 8 00:00:17,600 --> 00:00:17,800 Speaker 4: Man. 9 00:00:18,360 --> 00:00:21,759 Speaker 2: I am so grateful to you because you just said 10 00:00:21,760 --> 00:00:26,160 Speaker 2: season finished yesterday. The next game is in six seven days, 11 00:00:26,160 --> 00:00:29,920 Speaker 2: which we'll talk about. But the reason we're here is 12 00:00:29,960 --> 00:00:33,640 Speaker 2: to talk about this incredible book that you've written, your 13 00:00:33,680 --> 00:00:37,800 Speaker 2: memoir and ode to your Grandpa sixty one. I read 14 00:00:37,800 --> 00:00:41,559 Speaker 2: the book cover to cover, and so what I want 15 00:00:41,560 --> 00:00:43,800 Speaker 2: to say to everyone who's listening and watching, whether you 16 00:00:43,920 --> 00:00:47,000 Speaker 2: know Chris on the court or off the court, I 17 00:00:47,080 --> 00:00:50,479 Speaker 2: felt like you were personally sitting with me talking to 18 00:00:50,640 --> 00:00:53,680 Speaker 2: me throughout the entire book. I literally felt like it 19 00:00:53,720 --> 00:00:55,560 Speaker 2: was just me and you in the room. So I 20 00:00:55,560 --> 00:00:57,920 Speaker 2: felt like I've already had this experience in a weird way. 21 00:00:58,640 --> 00:01:01,400 Speaker 2: And what I'll say, Hey, everyone who's listening and watching, 22 00:01:01,480 --> 00:01:03,400 Speaker 2: who's you know? I hope you're going to go and 23 00:01:03,440 --> 00:01:06,840 Speaker 2: grab a copy of the book please. Is it is 24 00:01:07,640 --> 00:01:10,840 Speaker 2: one of the most genuine memoirs that I've read like 25 00:01:10,959 --> 00:01:13,160 Speaker 2: it felt it really felt like it was coming from 26 00:01:13,200 --> 00:01:17,800 Speaker 2: your heart. And the best thing about it is you 27 00:01:17,840 --> 00:01:21,080 Speaker 2: get to understand you on a different level to just 28 00:01:21,120 --> 00:01:23,600 Speaker 2: the game. And so I just want to take a 29 00:01:23,640 --> 00:01:25,800 Speaker 2: moment to say, man, that I think it was really 30 00:01:25,800 --> 00:01:29,000 Speaker 2: well done. It was so personal, so real, and I 31 00:01:29,040 --> 00:01:30,480 Speaker 2: literally felt like I was like, this is just my 32 00:01:30,520 --> 00:01:31,200 Speaker 2: friend talking to me. 33 00:01:31,280 --> 00:01:33,600 Speaker 1: Man, it's crazy, Jade that you say that in first 34 00:01:33,640 --> 00:01:37,160 Speaker 1: and foremost thanks for having me. And you probably don't notice, 35 00:01:37,200 --> 00:01:39,880 Speaker 1: but I think you probably the first person that's told 36 00:01:39,920 --> 00:01:42,760 Speaker 1: me that you read it from beginning to end, you 37 00:01:42,760 --> 00:01:43,319 Speaker 1: know what I mean. 38 00:01:43,200 --> 00:01:45,240 Speaker 4: Because it's not even out like that. Now. 39 00:01:45,240 --> 00:01:47,640 Speaker 1: I don't really get a chance to talk to people 40 00:01:47,640 --> 00:01:52,600 Speaker 1: about it too much, but it's crazy to know you've 41 00:01:52,600 --> 00:01:53,840 Speaker 1: written books or what not. 42 00:01:54,000 --> 00:01:56,120 Speaker 4: This is the first one I've done. Children's books. 43 00:01:56,240 --> 00:01:59,480 Speaker 1: Yes, never anything like this, And I have a new 44 00:01:59,520 --> 00:02:03,960 Speaker 1: found appreciation for the process, for the entire process of 45 00:02:04,120 --> 00:02:09,160 Speaker 1: the different versions. And the very first time, if I'd 46 00:02:09,160 --> 00:02:11,160 Speaker 1: be honest, the very first time, when I got the 47 00:02:11,240 --> 00:02:14,080 Speaker 1: first copyback, I was like, Oh no, this ain't it. 48 00:02:14,760 --> 00:02:15,359 Speaker 4: This ain't it. 49 00:02:15,440 --> 00:02:19,280 Speaker 1: And it was because I had someone who was helping 50 00:02:19,280 --> 00:02:22,519 Speaker 1: me with it, right, But when you're talking about your 51 00:02:22,560 --> 00:02:24,880 Speaker 1: own life experiences, you wanted to sound. 52 00:02:24,639 --> 00:02:25,840 Speaker 4: Like you, you know. 53 00:02:25,960 --> 00:02:29,560 Speaker 1: So when I read the very first version, I was like, 54 00:02:29,600 --> 00:02:32,360 Speaker 1: this don't sound like me, you know, And I started 55 00:02:32,360 --> 00:02:33,000 Speaker 1: from scratch. 56 00:02:33,120 --> 00:02:36,399 Speaker 2: I could literally see the service station, like I can 57 00:02:36,480 --> 00:02:39,079 Speaker 2: see the places the way you describe them, like the people, 58 00:02:39,160 --> 00:02:42,359 Speaker 2: the characters. I literally felt like I was there. And 59 00:02:42,680 --> 00:02:46,560 Speaker 2: I think that requires all that detail and that texture 60 00:02:46,639 --> 00:02:49,520 Speaker 2: and the you know, it's your lived experience, and so 61 00:02:49,800 --> 00:02:51,920 Speaker 2: I felt like I was living that experience with you. 62 00:02:52,000 --> 00:02:54,920 Speaker 2: And so every question I ask you today is me 63 00:02:55,080 --> 00:02:58,120 Speaker 2: wanting to know a bit more about you from different angles, 64 00:02:58,120 --> 00:03:00,519 Speaker 2: different perspectives. Parts where I was like, I'm so lucky 65 00:03:00,560 --> 00:03:02,320 Speaker 2: that I get to sit with you and actually ask 66 00:03:02,360 --> 00:03:03,040 Speaker 2: these questions to you. 67 00:03:03,080 --> 00:03:04,080 Speaker 3: So let's dive in. 68 00:03:04,360 --> 00:03:07,360 Speaker 2: I want to start off with just setting context for people. 69 00:03:08,000 --> 00:03:12,840 Speaker 2: Seasons just finished, you're heading it off end of the playoffs, Like, 70 00:03:13,800 --> 00:03:18,560 Speaker 2: how do you prepare at this time to big your 71 00:03:19,400 --> 00:03:22,040 Speaker 2: huge start for you? You talk about hard work, work ethic 72 00:03:22,080 --> 00:03:24,359 Speaker 2: in the book all the time, but how is this 73 00:03:24,440 --> 00:03:26,280 Speaker 2: different or how do you set yourself up? 74 00:03:26,480 --> 00:03:30,000 Speaker 1: Yes, wow, this is my eighteenth season right in the NBA, 75 00:03:30,280 --> 00:03:34,160 Speaker 1: and it's been been a lot, right, A lot of 76 00:03:34,560 --> 00:03:37,080 Speaker 1: good things have happened, but a lot of unfortunate bad 77 00:03:37,120 --> 00:03:37,760 Speaker 1: things have happened. 78 00:03:37,840 --> 00:03:41,160 Speaker 4: Lost his injuries and all of this, and it's crazy. 79 00:03:41,200 --> 00:03:44,400 Speaker 1: I usually have like this dead date, right, honestly, Like 80 00:03:44,440 --> 00:03:47,000 Speaker 1: we usually have this dead date with everybody that works 81 00:03:47,000 --> 00:03:49,200 Speaker 1: with me, where we'd be like, look, Chris will be 82 00:03:49,240 --> 00:03:51,720 Speaker 1: doing meetings and all this stuff until this date and 83 00:03:51,760 --> 00:03:53,800 Speaker 1: then we just lock in, you know what I mean. 84 00:03:53,840 --> 00:03:58,480 Speaker 1: But doing the book and everything, it's been cool and 85 00:03:58,800 --> 00:04:01,560 Speaker 1: getting a chance to do this is really cool. And 86 00:04:01,640 --> 00:04:06,040 Speaker 1: so when you lose it something right, like one like 87 00:04:06,120 --> 00:04:09,520 Speaker 1: group of athletes I've always thought about is Olympians, right, 88 00:04:09,880 --> 00:04:12,800 Speaker 1: Like the Olympics happened once every four years, right, and 89 00:04:12,840 --> 00:04:17,520 Speaker 1: if you trip like in that race, that's it. You 90 00:04:17,600 --> 00:04:20,400 Speaker 1: got four years till you can get ready for it again. 91 00:04:20,760 --> 00:04:23,240 Speaker 1: We see for us, like when we lost last year 92 00:04:23,279 --> 00:04:26,800 Speaker 1: in the playoffs, you know, you feel that heartache and hurt, 93 00:04:26,839 --> 00:04:30,680 Speaker 1: and it's like I can't wait till next year. And 94 00:04:30,760 --> 00:04:33,400 Speaker 1: now finally next year is here, you know, so we 95 00:04:33,520 --> 00:04:36,280 Speaker 1: got five six days to get ready for our first game. 96 00:04:36,320 --> 00:04:37,880 Speaker 4: But it's it's nothing like it. 97 00:04:38,120 --> 00:04:40,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, in the book, you said you think the game. 98 00:04:41,400 --> 00:04:43,719 Speaker 2: And when I read that, I thought that was interesting 99 00:04:43,720 --> 00:04:45,719 Speaker 2: to me. I've sat down with so many athletes on 100 00:04:45,760 --> 00:04:48,400 Speaker 2: the show and behind the scenes as well, but I'd 101 00:04:48,400 --> 00:04:50,839 Speaker 2: never really heard anyone say it that way. 102 00:04:51,000 --> 00:04:53,560 Speaker 3: What does that mean today? What does that mean right now? 103 00:04:53,680 --> 00:04:56,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, that means do you do anything? Do you like 104 00:04:56,880 --> 00:04:58,159 Speaker 1: play cards at all? 105 00:04:58,320 --> 00:04:59,840 Speaker 3: I used to? I mean I used to play so 106 00:05:00,160 --> 00:05:01,719 Speaker 3: growing up. That favorite. 107 00:05:02,040 --> 00:05:05,719 Speaker 1: But like even if it's soccer, if it's connected four right, 108 00:05:05,800 --> 00:05:08,960 Speaker 1: like I played Dominant. Yeah, yeah, I play Ping Pong, 109 00:05:09,040 --> 00:05:11,680 Speaker 1: I play I play any and everything. And in everything 110 00:05:11,720 --> 00:05:14,119 Speaker 1: you do, you have to have a strategy, right, whether 111 00:05:14,120 --> 00:05:16,320 Speaker 1: it's a card game or anything, and you just have 112 00:05:16,400 --> 00:05:20,679 Speaker 1: to think different layers. You can always play right, just play, 113 00:05:20,800 --> 00:05:23,359 Speaker 1: but if you can think the game too. And so me, 114 00:05:24,040 --> 00:05:25,760 Speaker 1: like I was up this morning, as soon as I 115 00:05:25,760 --> 00:05:28,359 Speaker 1: woke up this morning, before I call my kids, I 116 00:05:28,400 --> 00:05:31,479 Speaker 1: was on YouTube, like looking at clips, Like I go 117 00:05:31,520 --> 00:05:34,760 Speaker 1: to YouTube and I'll look at or I'll go to 118 00:05:34,800 --> 00:05:37,560 Speaker 1: this website that'll show me every shot I've missed the 119 00:05:37,680 --> 00:05:40,320 Speaker 1: maid since I've been in the NBA. So like I'm 120 00:05:40,400 --> 00:05:43,640 Speaker 1: literally always watching trying to learn, trying to see how 121 00:05:43,680 --> 00:05:45,240 Speaker 1: it can get better. So that's what I mean when 122 00:05:45,279 --> 00:05:46,919 Speaker 1: I say I think the game Wow. 123 00:05:47,200 --> 00:05:50,200 Speaker 2: So you literally go on YouTube, type in CRISP Paul 124 00:05:50,279 --> 00:05:52,120 Speaker 2: Missus and then watch. 125 00:05:52,080 --> 00:05:55,719 Speaker 1: This website actually called Second Spectrum that you can go 126 00:05:55,800 --> 00:05:57,800 Speaker 1: do that. But I can go on YouTube and look 127 00:05:58,760 --> 00:06:01,120 Speaker 1: at this particular game. So we're playing the Clippers in 128 00:06:01,120 --> 00:06:04,120 Speaker 1: the playoffs, right, so I can go look on YouTube. 129 00:06:04,160 --> 00:06:06,760 Speaker 4: They got everything on there. I'm sure everybody know that too. 130 00:06:07,160 --> 00:06:10,320 Speaker 1: But you can go look at all of my shots 131 00:06:10,360 --> 00:06:12,320 Speaker 1: that I played against the Clippers this year. 132 00:06:13,400 --> 00:06:15,120 Speaker 3: Yeah, and you just study. 133 00:06:15,000 --> 00:06:17,559 Speaker 1: Study it, study the game, study who I might be guarded, 134 00:06:17,600 --> 00:06:19,880 Speaker 1: and study your opponent and all this stuff. So then 135 00:06:20,320 --> 00:06:22,599 Speaker 1: in the game, of course, talent and all that stuff, 136 00:06:22,600 --> 00:06:24,920 Speaker 1: but at some point you still got to be able 137 00:06:24,920 --> 00:06:27,719 Speaker 1: to think and sort of everybody has tendencies. Yeah, we 138 00:06:27,760 --> 00:06:31,520 Speaker 1: play eighty two games, right, there's certain things that guys 139 00:06:31,520 --> 00:06:33,360 Speaker 1: do on a regular basis. So if I can learn 140 00:06:33,360 --> 00:06:34,680 Speaker 1: that and figure that out, the better. 141 00:06:34,920 --> 00:06:36,360 Speaker 3: Yeah. I love that, And I saw that in your 142 00:06:36,360 --> 00:06:36,720 Speaker 3: book too. 143 00:06:36,760 --> 00:06:39,599 Speaker 2: It's like it's almost like you're observing patterns, right, Like 144 00:06:39,640 --> 00:06:41,800 Speaker 2: there's all these patterns, and that's what you're saying, Like 145 00:06:42,160 --> 00:06:45,039 Speaker 2: there's patterns over eighty two games, and when you start 146 00:06:45,040 --> 00:06:47,320 Speaker 2: spotting the patterns, it's hard for people to break them. 147 00:06:47,680 --> 00:06:49,080 Speaker 2: And so they're going to keep repeating that. 148 00:06:49,120 --> 00:06:51,720 Speaker 1: I can't imagine the things that you learned and all 149 00:06:51,720 --> 00:06:54,480 Speaker 1: the experiences that you had, right, But you know there 150 00:06:54,480 --> 00:06:58,040 Speaker 1: are certain things that are staple for people that are successful. 151 00:06:58,160 --> 00:06:59,840 Speaker 3: Yes, right, yeah, you know what I mean. 152 00:07:00,160 --> 00:07:03,360 Speaker 1: You gotta work hard, you gotta have some type of discipline, 153 00:07:03,720 --> 00:07:09,800 Speaker 1: right or else whatever you want to see come into existence, 154 00:07:09,880 --> 00:07:11,360 Speaker 1: it's just not going to happen. 155 00:07:11,680 --> 00:07:15,080 Speaker 4: It's like they always say, what is it. 156 00:07:15,120 --> 00:07:17,200 Speaker 1: I'd rather be lucky than good or something like that, 157 00:07:17,280 --> 00:07:19,920 Speaker 1: but you still got to have the work ethic to 158 00:07:20,320 --> 00:07:20,840 Speaker 1: see it through. 159 00:07:21,040 --> 00:07:22,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, what have been your Do you have like a 160 00:07:22,840 --> 00:07:25,440 Speaker 2: set morning routine on game days and preath days or 161 00:07:25,840 --> 00:07:28,160 Speaker 2: do you kind of intuitively figure it out? 162 00:07:28,200 --> 00:07:29,040 Speaker 3: Like what are you like? 163 00:07:29,080 --> 00:07:33,080 Speaker 2: Are you that disciplined beast that's just set up to win? 164 00:07:33,240 --> 00:07:34,480 Speaker 4: Or you know what? 165 00:07:34,760 --> 00:07:38,360 Speaker 1: A good friend of mine, JJ Reddick, he does a 166 00:07:38,400 --> 00:07:41,680 Speaker 1: podcast now. He talks He was my teammate but he's 167 00:07:41,720 --> 00:07:45,440 Speaker 1: retired now. Earlier this year he was talking about how 168 00:07:45,480 --> 00:07:48,880 Speaker 1: sometimes a routine can drive you nuts, right, And I 169 00:07:49,040 --> 00:07:51,640 Speaker 1: sort of got into that mode because I didn't played 170 00:07:51,680 --> 00:07:54,200 Speaker 1: so long I didne felt like if I don't do 171 00:07:54,360 --> 00:07:57,720 Speaker 1: this particular thing, I'm not sure what's going to happen tonight, 172 00:07:58,200 --> 00:08:00,240 Speaker 1: you know, especially with how many games I play. Like 173 00:08:00,320 --> 00:08:03,560 Speaker 1: I'm serious, I used to have so much anxiety, like, 174 00:08:04,440 --> 00:08:06,160 Speaker 1: oh man, if I didn't do this before I run 175 00:08:06,160 --> 00:08:09,240 Speaker 1: out on the court, got some injury might happen. I mean, 176 00:08:09,240 --> 00:08:11,240 Speaker 1: I used to have this crazy routine for the past 177 00:08:11,280 --> 00:08:14,600 Speaker 1: few years. Like I would get up, I would eat breakfast, 178 00:08:14,880 --> 00:08:16,840 Speaker 1: go to the gym, shoot around, might be at ten. 179 00:08:16,960 --> 00:08:20,560 Speaker 1: I might get there at eight fifteen, do all this stretching, workout, 180 00:08:20,680 --> 00:08:23,280 Speaker 1: shoot and go home. I would get bodywork from like 181 00:08:23,320 --> 00:08:27,560 Speaker 1: eleven fifteen, eleven thirty to like one o'clock, and then 182 00:08:27,600 --> 00:08:30,080 Speaker 1: I would lay down, had to be at one, get 183 00:08:30,160 --> 00:08:33,679 Speaker 1: up at three, shower, get dressed, eat, get in the car, 184 00:08:33,800 --> 00:08:35,800 Speaker 1: go to the game. You know, it just made for 185 00:08:35,880 --> 00:08:38,360 Speaker 1: a long day. Honestly, on a game day, it was 186 00:08:38,400 --> 00:08:42,079 Speaker 1: a long day. And so I stopped doing necessarily the 187 00:08:42,160 --> 00:08:44,719 Speaker 1: body work from eleven fifteen to one, just to give 188 00:08:44,760 --> 00:08:48,240 Speaker 1: me some time to live, honestly, to just be maybe 189 00:08:48,240 --> 00:08:50,000 Speaker 1: like watch a show for a little bit when my 190 00:08:50,080 --> 00:08:52,839 Speaker 1: kids in town, chill with them, or whatnot, and it's 191 00:08:52,920 --> 00:08:55,160 Speaker 1: actually been like liberating. 192 00:08:55,600 --> 00:08:56,160 Speaker 4: But for so. 193 00:08:56,240 --> 00:08:58,200 Speaker 1: Long you just like I gotta do this, I gotta 194 00:08:58,240 --> 00:08:59,880 Speaker 1: do that, and it'll drive you. 195 00:09:00,480 --> 00:09:02,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, and it sounds like that's the way of it though, right, 196 00:09:02,679 --> 00:09:05,640 Speaker 2: Like the reason you can take that break now or 197 00:09:05,640 --> 00:09:07,440 Speaker 2: what's that show or catch up with the kids is 198 00:09:07,480 --> 00:09:10,560 Speaker 2: because of that investment you put in for like yeah, 199 00:09:10,600 --> 00:09:12,800 Speaker 2: fifteen years, sixteen years, sure, for. 200 00:09:12,760 --> 00:09:16,240 Speaker 1: Sure, but you also realize that sometimes you gotta break 201 00:09:16,320 --> 00:09:20,320 Speaker 1: up the monotony of that routine or whatnot just to 202 00:09:20,360 --> 00:09:21,320 Speaker 1: give yourself a break. 203 00:09:21,400 --> 00:09:21,679 Speaker 3: Yeah. 204 00:09:21,960 --> 00:09:23,760 Speaker 2: I think that's going to help a lot of people listening, 205 00:09:23,800 --> 00:09:26,680 Speaker 2: because I think there's so many people listening right now 206 00:09:26,720 --> 00:09:30,320 Speaker 2: who are stuck in their routine and don't realize how 207 00:09:30,400 --> 00:09:31,599 Speaker 2: much it'll. 208 00:09:31,160 --> 00:09:32,040 Speaker 4: Drive you crazy. 209 00:09:32,200 --> 00:09:36,000 Speaker 1: Especially in what we do now, there's certain things, like 210 00:09:36,480 --> 00:09:39,440 Speaker 1: there's certain handshakes that's got to happen, Like a few 211 00:09:39,440 --> 00:09:43,480 Speaker 1: things not going to change, right, Like when they call 212 00:09:43,520 --> 00:09:45,439 Speaker 1: our name out for the starting lineups, I make sure 213 00:09:45,440 --> 00:09:47,480 Speaker 1: I dip up all my teammates. Then I go to 214 00:09:48,360 --> 00:09:51,720 Speaker 1: the little slat board. I make sure I put my 215 00:09:51,720 --> 00:09:53,920 Speaker 1: foot on that three times. I make sure I get 216 00:09:53,960 --> 00:09:57,000 Speaker 1: the chalk, rub my hands together, clap them together three times, 217 00:09:57,440 --> 00:09:58,559 Speaker 1: hit the backstanchion. 218 00:10:00,000 --> 00:10:01,839 Speaker 4: I got a lot of routine stuff that I do. 219 00:10:01,880 --> 00:10:02,880 Speaker 4: I like, hit my chest. 220 00:10:02,920 --> 00:10:05,280 Speaker 1: Then I look up and you know, say what up 221 00:10:05,280 --> 00:10:07,240 Speaker 1: to Kobe, you know what I mean, and then we 222 00:10:07,360 --> 00:10:10,120 Speaker 1: do the jump ball. Some of that stuff not gonna change, 223 00:10:10,520 --> 00:10:12,800 Speaker 1: but some of the other things or whatnot. 224 00:10:12,840 --> 00:10:16,520 Speaker 4: You have to look at your situation and realize, how 225 00:10:16,559 --> 00:10:19,480 Speaker 4: can you be I don't know, intentional what you're doing. Yeah? 226 00:10:19,559 --> 00:10:21,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, And do you feel like all of those things 227 00:10:21,440 --> 00:10:23,400 Speaker 2: you just mentioned that aren't going to change? There were 228 00:10:23,440 --> 00:10:26,200 Speaker 2: things you picked up along the way because of wins, 229 00:10:26,240 --> 00:10:27,520 Speaker 2: Like where did those originate from? 230 00:10:27,640 --> 00:10:29,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, So it's funny. It's funny you asked that. And 231 00:10:29,760 --> 00:10:33,160 Speaker 1: being on a team for all of my life, you know, 232 00:10:33,200 --> 00:10:35,080 Speaker 1: I've been on a team since I was five years old. 233 00:10:35,480 --> 00:10:38,640 Speaker 1: And so when you find these little things, they sort 234 00:10:38,640 --> 00:10:41,319 Speaker 1: of just happen, right. So you're out there with your 235 00:10:41,320 --> 00:10:44,360 Speaker 1: teammates and you come up with a handshake, and then 236 00:10:44,640 --> 00:10:47,200 Speaker 1: somebody like accidentally do something and then you're like, oh, 237 00:10:47,280 --> 00:10:47,720 Speaker 1: I like that. 238 00:10:47,760 --> 00:10:49,920 Speaker 4: We're gonna keep doing that. We're gonna keep doing that. 239 00:10:49,960 --> 00:10:52,920 Speaker 1: So all these things just sort of get added along 240 00:10:52,920 --> 00:10:53,680 Speaker 1: the way, you. 241 00:10:53,720 --> 00:10:54,160 Speaker 4: Know what I mean. 242 00:10:54,200 --> 00:10:58,160 Speaker 1: So like before, before I leave the locker room, I 243 00:10:58,240 --> 00:11:03,080 Speaker 1: also do like a one, two three, and a bunch 244 00:11:03,120 --> 00:11:05,800 Speaker 1: of our team trainers they yell it with me. I 245 00:11:05,880 --> 00:11:08,760 Speaker 1: do one and they yell two three. You know, So 246 00:11:08,880 --> 00:11:11,080 Speaker 1: that stuff just sort of picks up and you keep 247 00:11:11,080 --> 00:11:11,440 Speaker 1: doing it. 248 00:11:11,600 --> 00:11:12,199 Speaker 3: That's amazing. 249 00:11:12,240 --> 00:11:12,400 Speaker 4: Man. 250 00:11:12,960 --> 00:11:15,400 Speaker 2: One of the things that comes through your book is 251 00:11:15,440 --> 00:11:18,520 Speaker 2: you talk so much about hard work. Confidence, you know, 252 00:11:18,600 --> 00:11:20,960 Speaker 2: seeing your own potential when no one else sees it, 253 00:11:21,520 --> 00:11:25,040 Speaker 2: being able to bet on yourself, having that confidence, and 254 00:11:25,080 --> 00:11:27,360 Speaker 2: even today I can tell this. But at the same time, 255 00:11:27,400 --> 00:11:32,080 Speaker 2: with that confidence, there's this humility in your book too, 256 00:11:32,360 --> 00:11:34,520 Speaker 2: because you talk so much about the teachers and the 257 00:11:34,520 --> 00:11:36,760 Speaker 2: coaches and the mentors, and you talk about this idea 258 00:11:36,800 --> 00:11:39,160 Speaker 2: about how no one's really self made, right, and so 259 00:11:39,200 --> 00:11:42,480 Speaker 2: you have this great balance between this confidence and this humility. 260 00:11:42,520 --> 00:11:45,520 Speaker 2: I wonder, what was something that you were insecure about 261 00:11:45,559 --> 00:11:47,440 Speaker 2: as a kid. Was there anything in your life that 262 00:11:47,800 --> 00:11:51,439 Speaker 2: you weren't confident about or things that made you doubt 263 00:11:51,440 --> 00:11:52,160 Speaker 2: yourself at all? 264 00:11:52,520 --> 00:11:53,560 Speaker 4: All types of things. 265 00:11:53,640 --> 00:11:57,520 Speaker 1: I mean I was small, right, Well, some people will 266 00:11:57,520 --> 00:12:00,960 Speaker 1: still say I am you know what I mean in 267 00:12:01,040 --> 00:12:04,800 Speaker 1: my profession, but I mean I was a little brother, right, 268 00:12:04,800 --> 00:12:06,640 Speaker 1: So I had my older brother and all his friends 269 00:12:06,760 --> 00:12:07,560 Speaker 1: would pick on me. 270 00:12:07,679 --> 00:12:09,080 Speaker 4: You can't do this, you can't do that. 271 00:12:10,040 --> 00:12:12,800 Speaker 1: I played football, I mean I was on my AAU 272 00:12:12,840 --> 00:12:13,600 Speaker 1: basketball team. 273 00:12:13,640 --> 00:12:15,040 Speaker 4: I think I talk about this in the book. 274 00:12:15,080 --> 00:12:18,880 Speaker 1: And everybody on my team was on varsity except for me, right, 275 00:12:18,960 --> 00:12:22,000 Speaker 1: and so I was a little bit slower, right than 276 00:12:22,040 --> 00:12:24,040 Speaker 1: some of the other guys. I mean, one of the 277 00:12:24,040 --> 00:12:27,120 Speaker 1: most embarrassing things was back then, our team used to 278 00:12:27,200 --> 00:12:30,520 Speaker 1: run out for warm ups and back then, like our 279 00:12:30,600 --> 00:12:34,200 Speaker 1: parents had chance and all these songs they would sing, 280 00:12:34,400 --> 00:12:37,400 Speaker 1: and as my teammates we ran out to the court, 281 00:12:37,720 --> 00:12:42,280 Speaker 1: everyone would run and smack the backboard, right, everybody, everybody 282 00:12:42,360 --> 00:12:45,800 Speaker 1: smacking the backboard. I couldn't touch the backboard, so I 283 00:12:45,840 --> 00:12:49,160 Speaker 1: would have to run by the backboard and just get 284 00:12:49,160 --> 00:12:51,520 Speaker 1: back in line. So I just had this conversation with 285 00:12:51,559 --> 00:12:53,560 Speaker 1: my son the other day because I told my son 286 00:12:53,600 --> 00:12:56,440 Speaker 1: he's gonna be vertically challenged just like me, and so 287 00:12:57,559 --> 00:13:00,760 Speaker 1: one of his biggest goals is to be able to dump. Right, 288 00:13:00,920 --> 00:13:03,520 Speaker 1: So he asked me, when did I dunk for the 289 00:13:03,520 --> 00:13:06,040 Speaker 1: first time. I was a junior, I think in high 290 00:13:06,040 --> 00:13:08,400 Speaker 1: school when I dunk for the first time. So he 291 00:13:08,440 --> 00:13:10,080 Speaker 1: was like, I'm a dunk before that. I'm a dunk 292 00:13:10,080 --> 00:13:12,000 Speaker 1: before that, And I told him I'm cool and fine 293 00:13:12,040 --> 00:13:14,280 Speaker 1: with that, but I also want him to develop the 294 00:13:14,360 --> 00:13:19,040 Speaker 1: actual skills of like playing the game. I feel like 295 00:13:19,120 --> 00:13:21,559 Speaker 1: so many times now kids just want to be able 296 00:13:21,600 --> 00:13:25,160 Speaker 1: to dunk instead of learning actually how to play the game. 297 00:13:25,280 --> 00:13:28,280 Speaker 2: How did you make that difference for yourself growing up? 298 00:13:28,320 --> 00:13:31,480 Speaker 2: Because I feel like kids are always kids, right, right. 299 00:13:31,679 --> 00:13:34,679 Speaker 2: You grew up watching Jordan and you want to you know, 300 00:13:34,760 --> 00:13:37,720 Speaker 2: so I feel like everyone who grows up watching anyone, 301 00:13:37,760 --> 00:13:41,000 Speaker 2: we all want to stand that way imitate, right, And 302 00:13:41,080 --> 00:13:44,720 Speaker 2: so how did you stop yourself as an athlete when 303 00:13:44,720 --> 00:13:46,960 Speaker 2: you were coming up to refocus just as you're encouraging 304 00:13:47,040 --> 00:13:47,800 Speaker 2: little Chris to do? 305 00:13:47,960 --> 00:13:49,000 Speaker 4: It was just different. 306 00:13:49,120 --> 00:13:53,400 Speaker 1: And I say different because and it may be because 307 00:13:53,400 --> 00:13:56,880 Speaker 1: of my circumstances in my situation, right and seeing my 308 00:13:56,920 --> 00:14:00,200 Speaker 1: grandfather right, so, I saw how my grandfather provides it 309 00:14:00,240 --> 00:14:03,720 Speaker 1: for my family in so many different ways, especially financially, 310 00:14:04,400 --> 00:14:08,560 Speaker 1: and growing up the way I grew up, I always 311 00:14:08,640 --> 00:14:13,080 Speaker 1: wanted more, Like I wanted more, not just like financially, 312 00:14:13,120 --> 00:14:15,120 Speaker 1: but I wanted to see things, and I wanted my 313 00:14:15,200 --> 00:14:19,360 Speaker 1: family to see things. And I don't know, I've just 314 00:14:19,480 --> 00:14:23,000 Speaker 1: always been very competitive, and my brother helped make me 315 00:14:23,080 --> 00:14:27,280 Speaker 1: that way. But I just, I mean still to this day, 316 00:14:27,360 --> 00:14:31,000 Speaker 1: like I really don't take no for an answer, right, 317 00:14:31,120 --> 00:14:33,200 Speaker 1: Like there's got to be a way, There's got to 318 00:14:33,200 --> 00:14:35,160 Speaker 1: be a solution, and if you tell me I can't 319 00:14:35,160 --> 00:14:38,600 Speaker 1: do it, then we're gonna see about it, you know. 320 00:14:39,040 --> 00:14:40,800 Speaker 1: And so it was it was a drive about it, 321 00:14:40,840 --> 00:14:43,120 Speaker 1: and it was a drive to just want to be 322 00:14:43,200 --> 00:14:48,120 Speaker 1: better and the curiosity and I don't know, like I said, 323 00:14:48,520 --> 00:14:51,920 Speaker 1: it was almost subconscious watching my grandfather work. 324 00:14:52,840 --> 00:14:56,200 Speaker 4: Right, So I played football. My coaches were. 325 00:14:56,080 --> 00:14:59,080 Speaker 1: Hard on me, you know, and I just knew if 326 00:14:59,120 --> 00:15:01,000 Speaker 1: I wanted to do so, I had to work. 327 00:15:01,120 --> 00:15:03,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, that work was just obvious through your grandfather who. 328 00:15:03,680 --> 00:15:07,960 Speaker 3: Just lived it every day. And you know when you 329 00:15:08,040 --> 00:15:09,480 Speaker 3: took the. 330 00:15:09,520 --> 00:15:11,840 Speaker 2: Kids back to see the service station in the space, 331 00:15:11,960 --> 00:15:15,320 Speaker 2: that part of the book is really special because you 332 00:15:15,440 --> 00:15:19,080 Speaker 2: reminded me so I was. I was nine years old 333 00:15:19,080 --> 00:15:20,960 Speaker 2: when my dad took me back to the home he 334 00:15:21,000 --> 00:15:25,600 Speaker 2: grew up in. And my dad's home was probably as big. 335 00:15:25,760 --> 00:15:28,840 Speaker 2: His home was as big as this room. Like cut 336 00:15:28,840 --> 00:15:30,920 Speaker 2: off that part as well, like none of that alway, 337 00:15:31,280 --> 00:15:34,840 Speaker 2: So his whole house was this big, and it was 338 00:15:34,880 --> 00:15:36,600 Speaker 2: in India where he grew up, and so he took 339 00:15:36,640 --> 00:15:39,280 Speaker 2: me there and I remember like walking outside, there was 340 00:15:39,280 --> 00:15:42,280 Speaker 2: a lot of like trash on the floor. There were 341 00:15:42,320 --> 00:15:46,360 Speaker 2: like rats running around, there were cockroaches inside this big 342 00:15:46,440 --> 00:15:49,440 Speaker 2: bat floor on my face like had my Batman moment, 343 00:15:49,600 --> 00:15:51,840 Speaker 2: Like I was like other nine year old kid did 344 00:15:51,880 --> 00:15:53,880 Speaker 2: this back floor of my face and it was disgusting. 345 00:15:53,960 --> 00:15:55,840 Speaker 2: My dad put it out my eyes and then we 346 00:15:55,880 --> 00:15:57,720 Speaker 2: went in this house and it was literally this big, 347 00:15:58,520 --> 00:16:00,200 Speaker 2: and I remember my dad was telling me how they 348 00:16:00,240 --> 00:16:02,640 Speaker 2: shared like a toilet with like thirty families, like he 349 00:16:02,680 --> 00:16:05,240 Speaker 2: grew up in, like you know, immense poverty, and it 350 00:16:05,320 --> 00:16:07,600 Speaker 2: was just one of the best experiences of my life 351 00:16:07,680 --> 00:16:09,040 Speaker 2: going there as a nine year old. So when I 352 00:16:09,040 --> 00:16:11,800 Speaker 2: was reading about you taking your kids back to drop 353 00:16:11,840 --> 00:16:13,520 Speaker 2: our service station in the space you grow up, I 354 00:16:13,560 --> 00:16:15,960 Speaker 2: was like, I know how formative that's been for me. 355 00:16:16,920 --> 00:16:20,320 Speaker 2: Walk us through what their reaction was. Yeah, your reasoning, 356 00:16:20,360 --> 00:16:23,120 Speaker 2: Actually everything that you just said is so valid. 357 00:16:23,160 --> 00:16:25,760 Speaker 1: And if I be if I'm gonna be very honest, 358 00:16:25,920 --> 00:16:31,080 Speaker 1: like when you're a kid, you only know what you know, right, 359 00:16:31,160 --> 00:16:34,800 Speaker 1: And so the times that something was going on and 360 00:16:34,840 --> 00:16:37,400 Speaker 1: I seen my grandfather pour that wad of money out 361 00:16:37,400 --> 00:16:40,920 Speaker 1: of his pocket. I used to start tripping. That's a 362 00:16:40,960 --> 00:16:44,720 Speaker 1: lot of money to me, to anybody. And so like, 363 00:16:44,800 --> 00:16:47,840 Speaker 1: as a kid, you want things. I mean when we 364 00:16:47,840 --> 00:16:50,040 Speaker 1: was in the car and we went to McDonald's or something, right, 365 00:16:50,720 --> 00:16:52,000 Speaker 1: or say you went to Wendy's. 366 00:16:52,040 --> 00:16:52,880 Speaker 4: I don't care where you went. 367 00:16:53,280 --> 00:16:55,880 Speaker 1: Like if you went to Wendy's, we want the biggie 368 00:16:55,880 --> 00:16:59,040 Speaker 1: size fries, right, like we want the extra large fries 369 00:16:59,080 --> 00:17:02,280 Speaker 1: and the extra large self. We couldn't do that, you 370 00:17:02,360 --> 00:17:04,880 Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, Like my parents just wasn't doing 371 00:17:04,920 --> 00:17:08,679 Speaker 1: it because we didn't have the money to do it. 372 00:17:08,720 --> 00:17:10,639 Speaker 4: And as a kid, I watched movies too. Did you 373 00:17:10,640 --> 00:17:11,480 Speaker 4: ever see Richie Rich? 374 00:17:11,640 --> 00:17:11,840 Speaker 3: Yeah? 375 00:17:12,280 --> 00:17:15,040 Speaker 4: Right, so you see Richie Rich? You see that movie? 376 00:17:15,440 --> 00:17:17,600 Speaker 4: What was it? Blank Check? You know what I mean. 377 00:17:18,440 --> 00:17:20,440 Speaker 4: As a kid, it's like, dang, I'm trying to see 378 00:17:20,440 --> 00:17:23,520 Speaker 4: what that be like? Right, And so of course you 379 00:17:23,680 --> 00:17:26,760 Speaker 4: want things, you want things. 380 00:17:26,800 --> 00:17:29,919 Speaker 1: But the biggest thing that I learned is when I 381 00:17:29,960 --> 00:17:33,399 Speaker 1: got to the NBA, right, and you can get those things, 382 00:17:33,440 --> 00:17:36,800 Speaker 1: they don't complete you at all, Like they don't. But 383 00:17:36,840 --> 00:17:39,639 Speaker 1: what you start to realize is that with the money 384 00:17:39,640 --> 00:17:41,760 Speaker 1: and the finance, at times you have an opportunity to 385 00:17:41,840 --> 00:17:45,040 Speaker 1: change other people's lives. So that's when the work really 386 00:17:45,160 --> 00:17:47,240 Speaker 1: just sets in and it's like, all right, I want 387 00:17:47,240 --> 00:17:49,600 Speaker 1: to keep working because I want to keep providing, helping 388 00:17:50,000 --> 00:17:52,720 Speaker 1: others or whatnot. So when it came to my kids, 389 00:17:53,240 --> 00:17:55,240 Speaker 1: they live a totally different life than me and my 390 00:17:55,280 --> 00:17:59,600 Speaker 1: wife ever did, right, And so this is so crazy. 391 00:17:59,800 --> 00:18:02,479 Speaker 1: I'm I'm picturing these real conversations that I have with 392 00:18:02,520 --> 00:18:07,159 Speaker 1: my kids because for me and my wife, like I 393 00:18:07,240 --> 00:18:11,240 Speaker 1: wanted something different from my parents, right, And the hardest 394 00:18:11,240 --> 00:18:13,240 Speaker 1: thing is trying to figure out how to get my 395 00:18:13,400 --> 00:18:17,160 Speaker 1: kids motivated because they can't get me at my wife 396 00:18:17,200 --> 00:18:20,040 Speaker 1: a new house, you know what I mean, they just can't. 397 00:18:20,119 --> 00:18:22,399 Speaker 1: And so it's constantly just making sure that they have 398 00:18:22,560 --> 00:18:25,320 Speaker 1: their own motivation. What's going to motivate them? So I 399 00:18:25,359 --> 00:18:28,239 Speaker 1: wanted them to see why I am the way I 400 00:18:28,280 --> 00:18:31,320 Speaker 1: am because sometimes they just see mom and dad or 401 00:18:31,320 --> 00:18:33,560 Speaker 1: they just see me, but they got a chance to 402 00:18:33,600 --> 00:18:36,960 Speaker 1: really go see why I get mad if the trash 403 00:18:37,000 --> 00:18:40,760 Speaker 1: ain't taken out, you know, because growing up, I was 404 00:18:40,800 --> 00:18:45,119 Speaker 1: having to cut the grass, we were having to fold clothes, 405 00:18:45,400 --> 00:18:47,880 Speaker 1: wash clothes, do all these different type things. So that's 406 00:18:47,920 --> 00:18:50,720 Speaker 1: one of the challenges as a parent of how do 407 00:18:50,760 --> 00:18:52,680 Speaker 1: you instill some of these things in your kids. 408 00:18:52,760 --> 00:18:55,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, and throughout the book you see just how conscious 409 00:18:55,359 --> 00:18:58,199 Speaker 2: and intentional you are about the kids. And again, I 410 00:18:58,200 --> 00:19:00,359 Speaker 2: think there's this healthy balance where like there's a lot 411 00:19:00,359 --> 00:19:02,280 Speaker 2: of love for them and you get that it's not 412 00:19:02,359 --> 00:19:05,919 Speaker 2: their fault that they didn't have that experience. Yeah, but 413 00:19:06,080 --> 00:19:07,600 Speaker 2: at the same time you want to help them. And 414 00:19:07,640 --> 00:19:10,919 Speaker 2: I think that it's it's such a it's such a 415 00:19:10,960 --> 00:19:13,800 Speaker 2: hard balance to do, but it sounds like because you 416 00:19:13,800 --> 00:19:17,679 Speaker 2: and Jada are taking it so thoughtfully and intentionally that 417 00:19:17,800 --> 00:19:20,440 Speaker 2: I I just see it all the time, Like the 418 00:19:20,480 --> 00:19:24,000 Speaker 2: amount of celebrity create kids who also feel the pressure 419 00:19:24,680 --> 00:19:27,040 Speaker 2: a to be like their parents in their field. 420 00:19:27,080 --> 00:19:28,200 Speaker 3: That's already a pressure. 421 00:19:28,600 --> 00:19:30,880 Speaker 2: Second of all, there's a feeling which I don't think 422 00:19:30,880 --> 00:19:32,280 Speaker 2: a lot of people realize, but there's a lot of 423 00:19:32,280 --> 00:19:34,800 Speaker 2: feeling of guilt for kids to be like, well, I 424 00:19:34,800 --> 00:19:36,919 Speaker 2: didn't deserve this, or my friends don't have this, or 425 00:19:36,960 --> 00:19:39,720 Speaker 2: like I didn't do it. And then on the other side, 426 00:19:40,160 --> 00:19:42,640 Speaker 2: which you get, is the entitlement as well. 427 00:19:42,800 --> 00:19:45,919 Speaker 1: So it's such so much, so much to deal with it, 428 00:19:46,040 --> 00:19:48,399 Speaker 1: so much that goes into it. Man and I think 429 00:19:48,680 --> 00:19:52,639 Speaker 1: the only thing for us that we've always tried to 430 00:19:52,640 --> 00:19:55,800 Speaker 1: do is at least communicate with them and don't make 431 00:19:55,880 --> 00:19:58,679 Speaker 1: them guess or try to figure it out on their own. 432 00:19:59,280 --> 00:20:03,000 Speaker 1: And even oh, I'm here somewhat giving advice or whatnot, 433 00:20:03,119 --> 00:20:06,280 Speaker 1: or talking about my memoir, I'm always looking for advice 434 00:20:06,800 --> 00:20:09,159 Speaker 1: some of the people that I've looked to as mentors 435 00:20:09,200 --> 00:20:12,120 Speaker 1: or whatnot. Most of our conversations have been on parenting 436 00:20:12,520 --> 00:20:14,919 Speaker 1: because this thing don't come with a manual, you know, 437 00:20:15,000 --> 00:20:19,760 Speaker 1: it doesn't. And I'm constantly learning, adapting, trying to adjust 438 00:20:19,840 --> 00:20:26,280 Speaker 1: because kids, for sure will will will like test you, 439 00:20:26,280 --> 00:20:28,240 Speaker 1: you know, and I think it's been the best test 440 00:20:28,280 --> 00:20:30,080 Speaker 1: that I've ever had because they show you how to 441 00:20:30,119 --> 00:20:32,200 Speaker 1: love unconditionally and. 442 00:20:33,560 --> 00:20:35,480 Speaker 4: It's the best ride. 443 00:20:35,680 --> 00:20:37,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, the part in the book that really got me 444 00:20:37,920 --> 00:20:40,440 Speaker 2: was when you're because I don't have kids yet, and 445 00:20:40,960 --> 00:20:43,080 Speaker 2: me and my wife have been together for around ten 446 00:20:43,160 --> 00:20:46,520 Speaker 2: years now, and we moved from London to New York 447 00:20:46,560 --> 00:20:48,480 Speaker 2: to LA and now we live in LA. But the 448 00:20:48,560 --> 00:20:51,399 Speaker 2: last seven years have been moving around and you know, 449 00:20:51,440 --> 00:20:53,880 Speaker 2: in our own way. Obviously I'm not moving how you are, 450 00:20:53,920 --> 00:20:56,840 Speaker 2: but still kind of that feeling of not having a 451 00:20:56,880 --> 00:20:58,879 Speaker 2: home right now we know we're living in LA and 452 00:20:58,880 --> 00:21:04,040 Speaker 2: we're happy, but I often think about, like how my 453 00:21:04,160 --> 00:21:06,560 Speaker 2: kids will have a different life to the life I had, 454 00:21:06,640 --> 00:21:09,439 Speaker 2: even in so that the protram picking out of your 455 00:21:09,440 --> 00:21:13,480 Speaker 2: book is when you're leaving LA and you're talking to 456 00:21:13,520 --> 00:21:15,919 Speaker 2: little Chris about it and he's really upset about it, 457 00:21:15,960 --> 00:21:18,639 Speaker 2: like because he's made his friends and he's going to 458 00:21:18,760 --> 00:21:21,920 Speaker 2: miss him and and you can relate to that as 459 00:21:21,920 --> 00:21:24,760 Speaker 2: a kid. It doesn't matter who your dad is. It's 460 00:21:24,800 --> 00:21:27,720 Speaker 2: like as a kid, it's like your friends are everything. 461 00:21:27,760 --> 00:21:29,360 Speaker 2: You're scared about what it's going to be like going 462 00:21:29,359 --> 00:21:31,040 Speaker 2: to a new school. I think that's when you're moving 463 00:21:31,040 --> 00:21:35,080 Speaker 2: from LA to Houston and you're just you're feeling this discomfort. 464 00:21:35,080 --> 00:21:36,879 Speaker 2: And I love what you say to him where you're like, 465 00:21:37,600 --> 00:21:40,280 Speaker 2: I need you. And I thought that was amazing to 466 00:21:40,359 --> 00:21:42,520 Speaker 2: hear a dad say like I need you. It wasn't 467 00:21:42,560 --> 00:21:44,680 Speaker 2: like you need to do this for me or you 468 00:21:44,800 --> 00:21:47,040 Speaker 2: got to you know, just just fix up and be 469 00:21:47,560 --> 00:21:51,600 Speaker 2: strong and man up. And how did you recognize that? 470 00:21:51,600 --> 00:21:52,440 Speaker 2: That was the conversation. 471 00:21:52,600 --> 00:21:52,760 Speaker 4: Jay. 472 00:21:52,800 --> 00:21:56,000 Speaker 1: I'm very visual, so even when as you're talking to me, 473 00:21:56,119 --> 00:21:58,840 Speaker 1: like I'm envisioning when it happened and we were in 474 00:21:58,880 --> 00:22:02,240 Speaker 1: my office in my house in Calabasas, and I'll never 475 00:22:02,280 --> 00:22:03,000 Speaker 1: forget his face. 476 00:22:03,359 --> 00:22:04,920 Speaker 4: Ever. It was tough. 477 00:22:04,960 --> 00:22:07,800 Speaker 1: And like I said, I grew up around the same friends, 478 00:22:08,480 --> 00:22:10,680 Speaker 1: right like me and my brother got a group chat 479 00:22:10,720 --> 00:22:12,680 Speaker 1: with our homies back home that we grew up with. 480 00:22:13,200 --> 00:22:17,760 Speaker 1: And that is probably one of the coolest things about 481 00:22:17,800 --> 00:22:20,760 Speaker 1: my childhood. Whereas I know, to each his own, some 482 00:22:20,800 --> 00:22:22,880 Speaker 1: people moved around a lot, and it gave them the 483 00:22:22,920 --> 00:22:26,959 Speaker 1: ability to be flexible to different cultures and this and that. 484 00:22:27,040 --> 00:22:29,639 Speaker 1: But it was cool having a home base. And so 485 00:22:30,720 --> 00:22:33,359 Speaker 1: when we left and Chris said that it was hard, 486 00:22:33,880 --> 00:22:37,040 Speaker 1: it was really hard, which is why we ultimately made 487 00:22:37,080 --> 00:22:40,280 Speaker 1: the decision when we went from Houston, OKC to let 488 00:22:40,359 --> 00:22:44,640 Speaker 1: them stay in LA And it's always going to be hard. 489 00:22:44,720 --> 00:22:47,160 Speaker 1: That's what you understand is that there's no perfect life, 490 00:22:47,160 --> 00:22:51,560 Speaker 1: there's no perfect family. Because in trying to give them stability, 491 00:22:52,600 --> 00:22:56,040 Speaker 1: now the last four years I've been without them, you know, 492 00:22:56,160 --> 00:22:59,240 Speaker 1: So I think what always ends up happening is somebody 493 00:22:59,240 --> 00:23:02,239 Speaker 1: got a sacrifice, right And if anybody gonna sacrifice as 494 00:23:02,240 --> 00:23:04,199 Speaker 1: far as my family go, I'm gonna make sure it's me, 495 00:23:04,640 --> 00:23:04,879 Speaker 1: you know. 496 00:23:05,000 --> 00:23:07,600 Speaker 4: And that's that's how we got to where we are. 497 00:23:07,520 --> 00:23:09,720 Speaker 2: Now, and how do you stay strong in that time? 498 00:23:09,760 --> 00:23:12,960 Speaker 2: Because I get that too, Like my wife and I 499 00:23:13,040 --> 00:23:14,760 Speaker 2: end up spending a bit of time apart every year 500 00:23:14,800 --> 00:23:18,600 Speaker 2: as well because her family, both of our families are 501 00:23:18,640 --> 00:23:20,960 Speaker 2: from London and they live in London and aniece and 502 00:23:20,960 --> 00:23:23,520 Speaker 2: nephew are there, our sisters are there. So my wife 503 00:23:23,560 --> 00:23:26,760 Speaker 2: misses family a lot, and her family's like her her 504 00:23:26,840 --> 00:23:30,200 Speaker 2: like fuel, right, and so we end up spending quite 505 00:23:30,200 --> 00:23:31,840 Speaker 2: a few months apart every year, And I wonder, how 506 00:23:31,880 --> 00:23:34,520 Speaker 2: do you stay strong, how do you kind of like, 507 00:23:34,560 --> 00:23:36,520 Speaker 2: what do you work on to make sure that you're 508 00:23:36,560 --> 00:23:39,280 Speaker 2: filled up as well? Because like you said, it's a sacrifice, 509 00:23:39,440 --> 00:23:41,480 Speaker 2: but at the same time, you have to take you 510 00:23:41,520 --> 00:23:42,080 Speaker 2: have to be the. 511 00:23:42,000 --> 00:23:44,600 Speaker 1: One I'm looking for tips and advice every day. I'm 512 00:23:44,640 --> 00:23:48,080 Speaker 1: telling you, it's so hard. And I tell you, I 513 00:23:48,080 --> 00:23:51,399 Speaker 1: think that the the biggest thing that I try to 514 00:23:51,440 --> 00:23:53,800 Speaker 1: do is make sure that I'm not not too emotional 515 00:23:53,880 --> 00:23:56,680 Speaker 1: in front of in front of my kids, right, because 516 00:23:58,080 --> 00:24:04,560 Speaker 1: my kids are spell like my son is so thoughtful, 517 00:24:04,920 --> 00:24:09,200 Speaker 1: you know, and my daughter is the same way. And 518 00:24:09,240 --> 00:24:13,800 Speaker 1: it's so different, right, My childhood was my dad was 519 00:24:14,040 --> 00:24:16,600 Speaker 1: coach and all that my mom was a team mom, 520 00:24:16,680 --> 00:24:19,760 Speaker 1: so my parents never missed anything. I think probably one 521 00:24:19,800 --> 00:24:23,200 Speaker 1: of the coolest interactions was we played in La maybe 522 00:24:23,200 --> 00:24:25,560 Speaker 1: like a week and a half, two weeks ago, and 523 00:24:25,880 --> 00:24:27,719 Speaker 1: my family came to the game and my kids were 524 00:24:27,760 --> 00:24:30,320 Speaker 1: standing outside the locker room. And I had no clue 525 00:24:30,359 --> 00:24:32,960 Speaker 1: they did this, But when a few of my teammates left, 526 00:24:33,000 --> 00:24:35,160 Speaker 1: they saw my daughter and they was like. 527 00:24:35,200 --> 00:24:37,119 Speaker 4: Cam, we be watching your baseball games. 528 00:24:37,119 --> 00:24:40,560 Speaker 1: We'd be watching your basketball games because because I can't 529 00:24:40,560 --> 00:24:43,960 Speaker 1: be there, I'll literally be in the locker room before game. 530 00:24:44,600 --> 00:24:48,480 Speaker 1: My iPad is set up, my wife is video in 531 00:24:48,560 --> 00:24:52,520 Speaker 1: the game, and I'm doing my stretches and exercises before 532 00:24:52,560 --> 00:24:55,359 Speaker 1: the game, and anybody is in the locker room, they 533 00:24:55,400 --> 00:24:58,439 Speaker 1: can hear. They can hear my daughter's game going on. 534 00:24:58,560 --> 00:25:01,520 Speaker 1: So to see my wife told me how much my 535 00:25:01,640 --> 00:25:05,680 Speaker 1: daughter like. She just lit up, knowing you know that 536 00:25:05,880 --> 00:25:10,000 Speaker 1: I'm not there physically, but I'm always, you know, at 537 00:25:10,040 --> 00:25:11,760 Speaker 1: least watching and trying to when I came. 538 00:25:12,080 --> 00:25:14,840 Speaker 2: I feel like kids feel that presence, you know. I 539 00:25:14,880 --> 00:25:16,560 Speaker 2: always felt like my parents didn't have a lot of 540 00:25:16,560 --> 00:25:19,960 Speaker 2: time for me. They were both immigrants, working hard, trying 541 00:25:19,960 --> 00:25:21,680 Speaker 2: to put food on the table. But I always felt 542 00:25:21,680 --> 00:25:25,080 Speaker 2: their presence because when I was with them or when 543 00:25:25,119 --> 00:25:29,160 Speaker 2: they did see me, there was a real connection there. Yeah, 544 00:25:29,160 --> 00:25:31,400 Speaker 2: and I didn't need like eight hours a day, ten hours. 545 00:25:31,440 --> 00:25:33,560 Speaker 2: I didn't have that luxury. They didn't have that luxury. 546 00:25:33,800 --> 00:25:35,639 Speaker 2: But even if it was for those couple of hours 547 00:25:35,680 --> 00:25:36,320 Speaker 2: every day. 548 00:25:36,280 --> 00:25:37,359 Speaker 4: I say that all the time. 549 00:25:37,440 --> 00:25:41,679 Speaker 1: Man, I'm so aware and conscious that like kids, my 550 00:25:41,800 --> 00:25:44,199 Speaker 1: kids now thirteen and ten, they're very smart. 551 00:25:44,200 --> 00:25:46,840 Speaker 4: They're very aware that if you was. 552 00:25:46,880 --> 00:25:48,560 Speaker 1: To get them a gift, say you're a big time 553 00:25:48,600 --> 00:25:50,600 Speaker 1: person or something, you get them a gift, and somebody 554 00:25:50,680 --> 00:25:52,760 Speaker 1: works for you got them to gift your kids, you 555 00:25:52,800 --> 00:25:54,040 Speaker 1: can't fool them, you. 556 00:25:54,000 --> 00:25:56,080 Speaker 4: Know, But they would much rather have that time. 557 00:25:56,200 --> 00:25:59,680 Speaker 1: So when I'm in town or whatnot, if I get 558 00:25:59,680 --> 00:26:02,119 Speaker 1: a day off and I go home, the best time 559 00:26:02,359 --> 00:26:05,480 Speaker 1: for me is taking my kids to school. Right that 560 00:26:05,600 --> 00:26:08,440 Speaker 1: twenty twenty five minute drive to school. And then even 561 00:26:08,600 --> 00:26:10,840 Speaker 1: the fact that my daughter still lets me walk her in. 562 00:26:11,119 --> 00:26:14,640 Speaker 1: Those I think are the most priceless moments because one 563 00:26:14,640 --> 00:26:18,360 Speaker 1: thing that I learned during quarantine was that was the. 564 00:26:18,320 --> 00:26:20,320 Speaker 4: First year that I lived away from my family. 565 00:26:20,600 --> 00:26:25,240 Speaker 1: Right I was in Oklahoma and then the shutdown happened 566 00:26:25,240 --> 00:26:27,399 Speaker 1: and we all went home for a while. And it 567 00:26:27,520 --> 00:26:29,879 Speaker 1: was just crazy because even though my kids might be 568 00:26:29,920 --> 00:26:33,719 Speaker 1: doing their own thing, they felt comfort. And I was 569 00:26:33,800 --> 00:26:36,399 Speaker 1: like on zoom trying to set up the bubble, right 570 00:26:36,440 --> 00:26:37,920 Speaker 1: because I was the union president. 571 00:26:37,640 --> 00:26:38,080 Speaker 4: Of the town. 572 00:26:38,480 --> 00:26:41,520 Speaker 1: But they felt comfort in doing their own thing. But 573 00:26:41,600 --> 00:26:43,400 Speaker 1: they knew if they looked out the side of their 574 00:26:43,400 --> 00:26:46,080 Speaker 1: eye that they could see me in my office, right, 575 00:26:46,119 --> 00:26:48,640 Speaker 1: So just the awaring it. You might not necessarily be 576 00:26:49,080 --> 00:26:51,639 Speaker 1: right there next to them all the time, but just 577 00:26:51,720 --> 00:26:53,040 Speaker 1: the fact that they know you're there. 578 00:26:53,280 --> 00:26:56,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, well said, well said. And going back to 579 00:26:56,000 --> 00:26:57,600 Speaker 2: one of your rituals, I was just thinking about this. 580 00:26:57,880 --> 00:27:00,800 Speaker 2: You said, you right, can't give up now, yeap on 581 00:27:00,840 --> 00:27:03,560 Speaker 2: your shoes before you go out to play a game, 582 00:27:03,640 --> 00:27:06,280 Speaker 2: And I was thinking, like, what is that? You know, 583 00:27:06,440 --> 00:27:10,280 Speaker 2: eighteen years is a long time to dedicate professionally and 584 00:27:10,320 --> 00:27:12,520 Speaker 2: then what to speak of all the prep and and 585 00:27:12,600 --> 00:27:15,800 Speaker 2: everything else that goes into it. But what does it 586 00:27:15,800 --> 00:27:18,960 Speaker 2: feel like to get traded, to feel down and out, 587 00:27:19,000 --> 00:27:21,080 Speaker 2: to feel like it's not going in the direction you want, 588 00:27:21,119 --> 00:27:21,560 Speaker 2: and then to. 589 00:27:21,800 --> 00:27:22,760 Speaker 3: Can't give up now? 590 00:27:23,440 --> 00:27:27,159 Speaker 2: Like I find that that kind of pivot for some 591 00:27:27,320 --> 00:27:29,240 Speaker 2: people it breaks them, and for some people it makes 592 00:27:29,280 --> 00:27:31,480 Speaker 2: them and for you, any sort of pivots have only 593 00:27:31,560 --> 00:27:33,879 Speaker 2: taken you further and further and further for you to 594 00:27:33,920 --> 00:27:38,040 Speaker 2: perform and pursue at a higher level. What is that? 595 00:27:38,119 --> 00:27:40,240 Speaker 2: Because I think people look at you and even when 596 00:27:40,240 --> 00:27:43,080 Speaker 2: I read your book, I was just thinking, you're working 597 00:27:43,119 --> 00:27:45,520 Speaker 2: really hard at basketball, You're really working out of your family, 598 00:27:45,520 --> 00:27:47,240 Speaker 2: You're working out of being a dad. I'm like, this 599 00:27:47,320 --> 00:27:49,359 Speaker 2: guy works hard on every area of his life. Like 600 00:27:49,400 --> 00:27:50,000 Speaker 2: there's not. 601 00:27:50,200 --> 00:27:51,679 Speaker 4: Such you're trying to. 602 00:27:51,800 --> 00:27:54,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, I respect that you don't come across as you're 603 00:27:54,800 --> 00:27:57,880 Speaker 2: perfecting it, but there's this energy of like thinking about 604 00:27:57,920 --> 00:28:01,080 Speaker 2: how'm raising my kids and thinking about my relationship. But 605 00:28:01,160 --> 00:28:05,480 Speaker 2: then when the career part is having its hiccups and 606 00:28:05,520 --> 00:28:08,600 Speaker 2: slip ups and whatever else in the past, what did 607 00:28:08,640 --> 00:28:11,000 Speaker 2: you find when you get that call give up? Now? 608 00:28:11,119 --> 00:28:11,199 Speaker 4: Like? 609 00:28:11,320 --> 00:28:12,200 Speaker 3: Where does that come from? 610 00:28:12,280 --> 00:28:13,720 Speaker 4: So I'll tell you where that came from. 611 00:28:14,119 --> 00:28:18,399 Speaker 1: Was when I got traded from Houston to Okce Like 612 00:28:18,480 --> 00:28:22,360 Speaker 1: to be, I was mad, like really mad because I've 613 00:28:22,400 --> 00:28:24,920 Speaker 1: been told one thing and another thing happened. And when 614 00:28:24,960 --> 00:28:28,199 Speaker 1: I went to Houston, we moved like fifteen people to Houston, 615 00:28:28,600 --> 00:28:32,080 Speaker 1: right so to not know and to know that I 616 00:28:32,119 --> 00:28:33,359 Speaker 1: was going to Oklahoma city. 617 00:28:33,840 --> 00:28:34,480 Speaker 4: I was hot. 618 00:28:34,560 --> 00:28:38,400 Speaker 1: I was in Augusta, Georgia, and I didn't know what 619 00:28:38,440 --> 00:28:41,160 Speaker 1: that meant, right, I didn't know what that meant. I 620 00:28:41,160 --> 00:28:43,200 Speaker 1: didn't know what was next. It was the first time 621 00:28:43,240 --> 00:28:45,680 Speaker 1: I had been blindsided with something like that. It's a 622 00:28:45,680 --> 00:28:48,760 Speaker 1: song by Mary Mary Right. It's called I Can't give 623 00:28:48,800 --> 00:28:50,480 Speaker 1: Up Now. Because, like I said in the book, I 624 00:28:50,520 --> 00:28:52,160 Speaker 1: grew up in church. I was in church four or 625 00:28:52,160 --> 00:28:54,520 Speaker 1: five days a week, and I remember listening to that 626 00:28:54,600 --> 00:28:57,200 Speaker 1: song and like getting emotional and it was like, look, 627 00:28:57,800 --> 00:29:00,560 Speaker 1: the trade didn't happen to ESPN, everybody talking about it 628 00:29:00,640 --> 00:29:04,040 Speaker 1: or whatnot. I learned this a while ago in the league, 629 00:29:04,120 --> 00:29:06,360 Speaker 1: is that ain't nobody gonna feel sorry for you? And 630 00:29:06,400 --> 00:29:08,960 Speaker 1: like you said, I've learned that too in this business, 631 00:29:09,000 --> 00:29:12,600 Speaker 1: that there's two different type of people. People who gonna 632 00:29:12,600 --> 00:29:15,440 Speaker 1: feel bad for themselves and just salt, and then there's 633 00:29:15,520 --> 00:29:17,320 Speaker 1: other people who gonna get to work. 634 00:29:17,760 --> 00:29:19,840 Speaker 4: And so that was my that was my mindset. 635 00:29:20,080 --> 00:29:22,680 Speaker 1: It was like, all right, I think I'm done, all right, cool, 636 00:29:23,040 --> 00:29:25,560 Speaker 1: I got I put my head down and do the work. 637 00:29:25,880 --> 00:29:30,080 Speaker 1: And so that was, you know, my whole energy going 638 00:29:30,120 --> 00:29:30,520 Speaker 1: into that. 639 00:29:31,240 --> 00:29:33,200 Speaker 3: How do you differentiate between. 640 00:29:34,320 --> 00:29:37,600 Speaker 2: Well, the media is building is a narrative versus your narrative, Like, 641 00:29:37,600 --> 00:29:41,600 Speaker 2: how do you I find like athletes? That's what makes 642 00:29:41,640 --> 00:29:44,400 Speaker 2: the athletes job a million times harder than even playing 643 00:29:44,440 --> 00:29:47,400 Speaker 2: the game, especially now with social media where there's so 644 00:29:47,520 --> 00:29:49,880 Speaker 2: much chatter, so much conversation. How do you keep your 645 00:29:49,920 --> 00:29:52,120 Speaker 2: focus around this is reality? 646 00:29:52,160 --> 00:29:52,880 Speaker 3: And that's just. 647 00:29:53,120 --> 00:29:56,280 Speaker 1: Crazy you said that because I learned something about myself 648 00:29:57,400 --> 00:30:01,160 Speaker 1: even a few years ago. I can't have that clutter right. 649 00:30:01,480 --> 00:30:04,480 Speaker 1: And when I played back in LA I think I 650 00:30:04,520 --> 00:30:06,920 Speaker 1: said this in the book too with the Clippers Doc Rivers. 651 00:30:07,200 --> 00:30:10,040 Speaker 1: He used to talk about getting rid of the clutter. 652 00:30:10,280 --> 00:30:10,440 Speaker 4: Right. 653 00:30:10,480 --> 00:30:12,360 Speaker 1: So when you get home from a game, if your 654 00:30:12,360 --> 00:30:15,680 Speaker 1: team lose, everybody is with your family and all that. 655 00:30:15,800 --> 00:30:18,760 Speaker 1: What they're gonna do if y'all lost the game, what 656 00:30:18,760 --> 00:30:22,560 Speaker 1: they're gonna say it was everybody else's fault. 657 00:30:22,320 --> 00:30:25,440 Speaker 4: Right. If you lose a game and you. 658 00:30:25,360 --> 00:30:28,520 Speaker 1: Get home, everybody in your family gon, they're gonna be like, 659 00:30:29,200 --> 00:30:31,800 Speaker 1: this person wasn't doing that, that person wasn't doing that. 660 00:30:31,920 --> 00:30:34,800 Speaker 1: They ain't never gonna say nothing about you, right, And 661 00:30:34,840 --> 00:30:38,080 Speaker 1: so that's literally clutter right, And the same thing I've 662 00:30:38,160 --> 00:30:40,719 Speaker 1: learned years ago in the playoffs, Like in the playoffs, 663 00:30:41,160 --> 00:30:43,840 Speaker 1: you got to win four games out of seven, right, 664 00:30:43,880 --> 00:30:46,600 Speaker 1: And I don't care what anybody says about social media 665 00:30:46,760 --> 00:30:49,200 Speaker 1: or whatnot. But if you win a game in the 666 00:30:49,240 --> 00:30:52,560 Speaker 1: playoffs and you go on the social media and you 667 00:30:52,680 --> 00:30:55,160 Speaker 1: had a great game and everybody talking about you like 668 00:30:55,200 --> 00:30:58,480 Speaker 1: you the best thing since payings with pockets, then you 669 00:30:58,600 --> 00:31:00,440 Speaker 1: might let your guard down, right. 670 00:31:00,520 --> 00:31:01,280 Speaker 4: And the same thing. 671 00:31:01,320 --> 00:31:02,960 Speaker 1: If you don't have a good game and you go 672 00:31:03,040 --> 00:31:06,200 Speaker 1: out there and everybody's talking about how sorry you are, 673 00:31:06,320 --> 00:31:07,960 Speaker 1: you might lose a little bit of confidence. 674 00:31:08,280 --> 00:31:10,240 Speaker 4: So for me, I try to block out all of 675 00:31:10,280 --> 00:31:12,240 Speaker 4: that noise, you know what I mean. 676 00:31:12,320 --> 00:31:14,640 Speaker 1: So that's like when the playoffs start, I don't want 677 00:31:14,680 --> 00:31:17,160 Speaker 1: to see what ESPN talking about. I don't want to 678 00:31:17,200 --> 00:31:19,040 Speaker 1: see what bleacher. I don't want to see what none 679 00:31:19,080 --> 00:31:21,440 Speaker 1: of them talking about. Because you got to just stay 680 00:31:21,480 --> 00:31:23,880 Speaker 1: locked in and stay focused. And as long as you 681 00:31:23,960 --> 00:31:27,280 Speaker 1: know what's true, you know what I mean. People always 682 00:31:27,360 --> 00:31:30,000 Speaker 1: going to say something, always they going to try to 683 00:31:30,480 --> 00:31:32,760 Speaker 1: have some type of narrative or whatnot. But as long 684 00:31:32,800 --> 00:31:34,920 Speaker 1: as you know what's real, I think that's what can 685 00:31:34,960 --> 00:31:36,000 Speaker 1: help you keep your sanity. 686 00:31:36,240 --> 00:31:38,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, And I think that's one of the hardest skills 687 00:31:39,000 --> 00:31:42,120 Speaker 2: for anyone. Let learn, someone who a lot of people 688 00:31:42,120 --> 00:31:44,680 Speaker 2: in the world are talking about like that's you know, 689 00:31:44,720 --> 00:31:47,520 Speaker 2: I can imagine that affects kids today. I'm sure kids 690 00:31:47,560 --> 00:31:49,840 Speaker 2: feel at school and you see that with them at school. 691 00:31:50,240 --> 00:31:51,800 Speaker 1: And see, this is the thing I tell you. And 692 00:31:51,880 --> 00:31:54,880 Speaker 1: I'm not a parent, coach or anything like that. I 693 00:31:54,880 --> 00:31:58,640 Speaker 1: can only tell you my experience. But what I've learned 694 00:31:59,120 --> 00:32:02,400 Speaker 1: with social media with kids, right and having a thirteen 695 00:32:02,400 --> 00:32:05,520 Speaker 1: and a ten year old, is that when I was 696 00:32:05,520 --> 00:32:08,400 Speaker 1: growing up, if a girl didn't like you or something 697 00:32:08,440 --> 00:32:11,600 Speaker 1: like that, you dealt with it at school. Right once 698 00:32:11,640 --> 00:32:14,160 Speaker 1: you went home, you didn't have to deal with it, right, 699 00:32:14,200 --> 00:32:15,840 Speaker 1: you just saw her at school. 700 00:32:15,520 --> 00:32:16,120 Speaker 4: The next day. 701 00:32:16,480 --> 00:32:20,440 Speaker 1: Now, with phones and social media and all that, one 702 00:32:20,440 --> 00:32:22,560 Speaker 1: thing I know is that these kids are dealing with 703 00:32:22,600 --> 00:32:23,920 Speaker 1: things all day long. 704 00:32:24,360 --> 00:32:24,560 Speaker 4: Right. 705 00:32:24,600 --> 00:32:27,040 Speaker 1: It could be on Snapchat, it could be on Instagram 706 00:32:27,120 --> 00:32:30,280 Speaker 1: or whatnot. And if us as adults, if we can't 707 00:32:30,320 --> 00:32:33,120 Speaker 1: handle that mental capacity, Like I said, I can't handle that, 708 00:32:33,520 --> 00:32:36,200 Speaker 1: Like I'm on Instagram, but I'll go weeks without even 709 00:32:36,240 --> 00:32:38,480 Speaker 1: looking at it, you know what I mean? Just because 710 00:32:40,040 --> 00:32:42,120 Speaker 1: I feel like, you know, with our stories and stuff 711 00:32:42,120 --> 00:32:44,800 Speaker 1: like that. Now we ask people how they're doing, we 712 00:32:44,880 --> 00:32:46,480 Speaker 1: already know what the hell they didn't did for the 713 00:32:46,520 --> 00:32:48,760 Speaker 1: last three weeks, you know what I mean. 714 00:32:48,840 --> 00:32:49,880 Speaker 4: So that's just me. 715 00:32:50,200 --> 00:32:54,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, there's I want to shift here because there's 716 00:32:54,440 --> 00:32:59,240 Speaker 2: what I found was really special as someone who was 717 00:32:59,280 --> 00:33:02,600 Speaker 2: reading your book and just again, like I said, learning 718 00:33:02,680 --> 00:33:05,360 Speaker 2: so much about you. It was like you said that 719 00:33:05,400 --> 00:33:08,840 Speaker 2: your grandpa, you know, used to encourage you to listen 720 00:33:08,880 --> 00:33:12,480 Speaker 2: to obituaries and when they came on and you'd he'd 721 00:33:12,480 --> 00:33:15,240 Speaker 2: tell you more about that person too, like yeah, this 722 00:33:15,360 --> 00:33:16,120 Speaker 2: amazing memory. 723 00:33:16,240 --> 00:33:18,200 Speaker 4: Weirdo. It was. 724 00:33:18,320 --> 00:33:21,960 Speaker 1: It was weird and kind of strange because like it 725 00:33:22,120 --> 00:33:24,680 Speaker 1: wasn't no like iPhones with the alarm went off and 726 00:33:24,720 --> 00:33:26,840 Speaker 1: he knew to do it. It's like everybody would be 727 00:33:26,880 --> 00:33:29,200 Speaker 1: working and my granddaddy would just be like cut on 728 00:33:29,240 --> 00:33:33,880 Speaker 1: obituaries and as soon as somebody hit the little radio player, 729 00:33:34,080 --> 00:33:38,200 Speaker 1: the song would be playing. It's like kind of morbid, 730 00:33:38,760 --> 00:33:41,680 Speaker 1: and they would just start naming off the people who 731 00:33:41,760 --> 00:33:46,520 Speaker 1: had died, right, And I mean everybody out there working 732 00:33:46,520 --> 00:33:49,600 Speaker 1: and you might hear mister Ulysses or Bow or somebody say, 733 00:33:49,640 --> 00:33:51,920 Speaker 1: oh such and such die, you know, they didn't know, 734 00:33:52,840 --> 00:33:55,320 Speaker 1: and my granddad might start talking about one of them. 735 00:33:55,360 --> 00:33:57,920 Speaker 1: But because I talk about my grandmother dying when I 736 00:33:57,960 --> 00:34:01,000 Speaker 1: was seven. That was my first time, you know, being 737 00:34:01,480 --> 00:34:05,520 Speaker 1: faced with death. And then it's crazy. It was a 738 00:34:05,640 --> 00:34:08,960 Speaker 1: funeral home in our hometown called Russell's Funeral Home. Like 739 00:34:09,000 --> 00:34:11,359 Speaker 1: once every like two weeks or whatnot. They would bring 740 00:34:11,400 --> 00:34:14,719 Speaker 1: their fleet of cars up to the service station because 741 00:34:14,760 --> 00:34:17,359 Speaker 1: they had like a it's crazy to think about it now, 742 00:34:17,360 --> 00:34:20,520 Speaker 1: they had a business account right with my granddad's service station, 743 00:34:21,040 --> 00:34:23,879 Speaker 1: and so just it was a lot. 744 00:34:24,000 --> 00:34:24,239 Speaker 4: Man. 745 00:34:24,560 --> 00:34:26,880 Speaker 1: That's why I still don't deal with death. Well you 746 00:34:26,920 --> 00:34:29,520 Speaker 1: know what I mean to see the hearses pull in 747 00:34:29,560 --> 00:34:32,560 Speaker 1: there and I don't know it was it was different. 748 00:34:32,920 --> 00:34:36,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's you said that with your grandmother's past and 749 00:34:36,400 --> 00:34:38,239 Speaker 2: you were like, I never really got over that, like 750 00:34:38,280 --> 00:34:42,560 Speaker 2: and I think that's that's so real for so many people. 751 00:34:42,560 --> 00:34:44,640 Speaker 2: But like you said, like people often say like, oh, 752 00:34:44,680 --> 00:34:46,799 Speaker 2: I know how you feel, but no one can know 753 00:34:46,800 --> 00:34:48,719 Speaker 2: how you feel because they didn't know that person. They 754 00:34:48,760 --> 00:34:52,800 Speaker 2: didn't know your connection to them, that experience. Like you, 755 00:34:52,960 --> 00:34:56,080 Speaker 2: you dealt with that so early on at seven, and 756 00:34:56,200 --> 00:34:58,359 Speaker 2: like you said, you didn't you never really got got 757 00:34:58,440 --> 00:35:01,000 Speaker 2: over it. Now when you look back on it, is 758 00:35:01,000 --> 00:35:03,520 Speaker 2: it something you even want to get over or is 759 00:35:03,560 --> 00:35:05,120 Speaker 2: it something that just stays with you at it. 760 00:35:05,480 --> 00:35:09,479 Speaker 1: I think it just stays with me because I tell you, 761 00:35:09,520 --> 00:35:12,160 Speaker 1: like writing this book was also like therapeutic because some 762 00:35:12,200 --> 00:35:15,480 Speaker 1: of the stuff I never talked about, and so might 763 00:35:15,520 --> 00:35:17,000 Speaker 1: have been. A week or two ago, I was talking 764 00:35:17,000 --> 00:35:19,440 Speaker 1: to my parents and was just asking them like I 765 00:35:19,480 --> 00:35:20,959 Speaker 1: was like that, I was like, when was the first 766 00:35:20,960 --> 00:35:22,800 Speaker 1: time you dealt with death? 767 00:35:23,200 --> 00:35:23,359 Speaker 4: Right? 768 00:35:23,440 --> 00:35:28,000 Speaker 1: Because my kids are thirteen and ten and they haven't. Right, 769 00:35:28,040 --> 00:35:31,200 Speaker 1: the only person I think that they've seen pass away 770 00:35:32,040 --> 00:35:38,360 Speaker 1: wood is my wife's grandmother, right, And so obviously the 771 00:35:38,440 --> 00:35:41,080 Speaker 1: less you have to deal with death, the better. But 772 00:35:42,520 --> 00:35:45,200 Speaker 1: I mean, as soon as I go to a funeral, right, 773 00:35:46,719 --> 00:35:49,279 Speaker 1: all those emotions from when I was seven, you know, 774 00:35:49,320 --> 00:35:52,000 Speaker 1: they come right back, they come right back, and it's 775 00:35:52,000 --> 00:35:56,400 Speaker 1: something about the closure aspect of it and somebody not 776 00:35:56,600 --> 00:36:00,359 Speaker 1: being there anymore. I'll tell you something really cool. When 777 00:36:00,360 --> 00:36:02,839 Speaker 1: I grew up as a kid, videoed everything. Every one 778 00:36:02,880 --> 00:36:06,880 Speaker 1: of my games was vhs, all of that. My dad 779 00:36:08,320 --> 00:36:10,120 Speaker 1: found a bunch of those tapes and he had them 780 00:36:10,120 --> 00:36:15,919 Speaker 1: converted into DVDs, and so recently, maybe like three weeks ago, 781 00:36:17,120 --> 00:36:18,400 Speaker 1: he sent the DVDs to me. 782 00:36:18,680 --> 00:36:21,120 Speaker 4: He hadn't even watched him, and I put one of 783 00:36:21,120 --> 00:36:24,440 Speaker 4: the DVDs in and I was watching it. 784 00:36:24,480 --> 00:36:26,840 Speaker 1: And we used to have events all the time at 785 00:36:26,880 --> 00:36:28,480 Speaker 1: this place up the street from my house. 786 00:36:28,760 --> 00:36:30,440 Speaker 4: And I was looking at the video and I was like, 787 00:36:30,480 --> 00:36:32,360 Speaker 4: what is this? And I kept. 788 00:36:32,120 --> 00:36:34,879 Speaker 1: Watching it for a while, and my granddad walked in. 789 00:36:35,440 --> 00:36:38,960 Speaker 1: It was actually a video from his sixtieth birthday, right 790 00:36:39,160 --> 00:36:43,239 Speaker 1: literally just three weeks ago. Came across this and it 791 00:36:43,360 --> 00:36:46,560 Speaker 1: was like emotional watching it, and I started filming some 792 00:36:46,640 --> 00:36:49,960 Speaker 1: of it because I hadn't heard my granddad's voice in 793 00:36:51,320 --> 00:36:54,200 Speaker 1: over twenty years since he passed away. I took a 794 00:36:54,280 --> 00:36:56,319 Speaker 1: video of it and I put in our family group chat. 795 00:36:56,440 --> 00:36:58,879 Speaker 1: My mom called me. She pulled over to the side 796 00:36:58,880 --> 00:37:01,480 Speaker 1: of the road and she was crying because you don't 797 00:37:01,520 --> 00:37:03,319 Speaker 1: think about stuff like that, you know what I mean. 798 00:37:03,360 --> 00:37:05,799 Speaker 1: My kids they know the story of my grandfather, they 799 00:37:05,840 --> 00:37:08,160 Speaker 1: know all of that, but they had never heard his voice. 800 00:37:08,400 --> 00:37:11,440 Speaker 4: My wife, I didn't know. She had never heard his voice. 801 00:37:11,960 --> 00:37:16,680 Speaker 1: Right, So to have this footage now and my brother 802 00:37:16,800 --> 00:37:21,880 Speaker 1: talked wishing him a happy birthday. And I'm anxiously watching. 803 00:37:21,960 --> 00:37:23,560 Speaker 1: I'm like, man, where am I? 804 00:37:23,640 --> 00:37:24,160 Speaker 4: Where am I? 805 00:37:24,280 --> 00:37:26,839 Speaker 1: Because you see everybody setting up and then you see 806 00:37:26,840 --> 00:37:29,400 Speaker 1: somebody say all right, everybody be quiet. He about to 807 00:37:29,400 --> 00:37:31,759 Speaker 1: walk in because it was like a surprise. And so 808 00:37:31,800 --> 00:37:34,160 Speaker 1: when I heard somebody say that, I was like, oh, 809 00:37:34,160 --> 00:37:36,400 Speaker 1: I must be bringing him in to surprise because we 810 00:37:36,520 --> 00:37:38,600 Speaker 1: used to be together all the time. And then he 811 00:37:38,680 --> 00:37:41,000 Speaker 1: walks in and out, I don't see myself, and I'm like, 812 00:37:41,120 --> 00:37:44,320 Speaker 1: where am I in this video? And as my brother's 813 00:37:44,320 --> 00:37:48,480 Speaker 1: giving his happy Birthday speech to my granddad, he says, 814 00:37:48,560 --> 00:37:52,120 Speaker 1: if Chris was here, he would have said the same thing. 815 00:37:53,080 --> 00:37:56,120 Speaker 1: And then I like just this whole feeling came over 816 00:37:56,200 --> 00:37:59,200 Speaker 1: me because I wasn't there, and I called my mom. 817 00:37:59,280 --> 00:38:02,440 Speaker 4: I was like, Mom, where it was? I? Where was I? 818 00:38:02,480 --> 00:38:04,440 Speaker 1: And she was like, you had to be at an 819 00:38:04,480 --> 00:38:07,359 Speaker 1: AU tournament. And so it was crazy, like I was 820 00:38:07,400 --> 00:38:09,600 Speaker 1: getting emotional again because I was like, damn, that's sort 821 00:38:09,600 --> 00:38:11,840 Speaker 1: of been the story of my life is missing stuff, 822 00:38:12,360 --> 00:38:15,960 Speaker 1: you know what I mean. But it's crazy, Like I said, 823 00:38:16,040 --> 00:38:18,200 Speaker 1: death and all this stuff, you just you never get 824 00:38:18,239 --> 00:38:22,239 Speaker 1: over it and you're not reminded of it until you 825 00:38:22,400 --> 00:38:23,240 Speaker 1: face with it again. 826 00:38:23,360 --> 00:38:25,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, thank you for sharing that story, man. I mean 827 00:38:25,600 --> 00:38:29,560 Speaker 2: that's like the oh I mean to be reminded of 828 00:38:29,920 --> 00:38:33,480 Speaker 2: being absent because you're pursuing your dream, but then you 829 00:38:33,480 --> 00:38:36,680 Speaker 2: know the stuff like you said sacrifice, You said, something 830 00:38:36,760 --> 00:38:39,000 Speaker 2: has to be sacrificed. But I can't imagine what it 831 00:38:39,040 --> 00:38:42,760 Speaker 2: felt like to, you know, reconnect back with that memory 832 00:38:42,840 --> 00:38:46,520 Speaker 2: through finding an amazing tape but then feeling like you know. 833 00:38:46,600 --> 00:38:48,799 Speaker 1: This, especially at this time with the book coming out, 834 00:38:48,880 --> 00:38:52,719 Speaker 1: to finally see that that was really cool and I think, 835 00:38:53,040 --> 00:38:54,920 Speaker 1: I mean, I got my little cousin a j and 836 00:38:54,920 --> 00:38:58,839 Speaker 1: Takoya who like twenty nine and twenty seven, they had 837 00:38:58,920 --> 00:39:02,279 Speaker 1: never heard aj had but they were kids or whatever 838 00:39:02,280 --> 00:39:04,120 Speaker 1: when he died, so they hadn't heard anything. 839 00:39:04,360 --> 00:39:08,399 Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, what do you think was a lesson? There's 840 00:39:08,400 --> 00:39:11,040 Speaker 2: so many lessons in the book that you learned from 841 00:39:11,120 --> 00:39:13,759 Speaker 2: your grandpa, and that are you know. I think people 842 00:39:13,760 --> 00:39:15,600 Speaker 2: should read the book for it to learn the depth 843 00:39:15,640 --> 00:39:18,840 Speaker 2: of it. But what's the lesson that you think you 844 00:39:18,960 --> 00:39:21,280 Speaker 2: carry in your heart, the most that stays with you 845 00:39:21,400 --> 00:39:24,120 Speaker 2: right now till this day, that you feel lives with you. 846 00:39:24,960 --> 00:39:29,080 Speaker 1: Man, it sounds so generic, but I say the work ethic, right, 847 00:39:29,280 --> 00:39:32,359 Speaker 1: But it's crazy because I could sit here and say 848 00:39:32,400 --> 00:39:33,759 Speaker 1: you gotta work, you gotta work. 849 00:39:33,800 --> 00:39:35,839 Speaker 4: It's the work ethic. But I will also say it's 850 00:39:35,880 --> 00:39:37,480 Speaker 4: the balance because It's. 851 00:39:37,320 --> 00:39:40,960 Speaker 1: The one thing that I also learned about my family, 852 00:39:41,000 --> 00:39:43,399 Speaker 1: and my mom said this, and I never even thought 853 00:39:43,440 --> 00:39:46,480 Speaker 1: about this. Aspect of it was that my grandfather worked 854 00:39:46,800 --> 00:39:49,440 Speaker 1: so hard, and I think I said this in the book, 855 00:39:49,840 --> 00:39:53,200 Speaker 1: that that was all he knew. So he never actually, 856 00:39:54,000 --> 00:39:56,680 Speaker 1: I don't want to say, enjoyed our family, but he 857 00:39:56,800 --> 00:39:59,120 Speaker 1: never like went on vacation, you know what I mean. 858 00:39:59,160 --> 00:40:02,520 Speaker 1: And I'm not saying and you gotta go to another 859 00:40:02,600 --> 00:40:05,520 Speaker 1: country or something like that, but just try to make 860 00:40:05,560 --> 00:40:09,200 Speaker 1: sure that there's balance and make sure that of course you. 861 00:40:09,160 --> 00:40:11,480 Speaker 4: Gotta work work, work to provide. 862 00:40:11,360 --> 00:40:13,439 Speaker 1: But make sure at some point you take some time 863 00:40:13,520 --> 00:40:16,680 Speaker 1: to enjoy the people around you and your family. Because 864 00:40:17,080 --> 00:40:20,880 Speaker 1: my mom said that the one time that my granddad 865 00:40:20,920 --> 00:40:24,000 Speaker 1: actually went on vacation was when my grandmother was about 866 00:40:24,000 --> 00:40:28,439 Speaker 1: to pass away. And so it wasn't until he's seen 867 00:40:28,520 --> 00:40:32,080 Speaker 1: that he was gonna lose my grandmother that he was like, Okay, 868 00:40:32,120 --> 00:40:33,680 Speaker 1: I need to do something with her. 869 00:40:33,920 --> 00:40:36,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, And you talk about how like you used to 870 00:40:36,400 --> 00:40:39,359 Speaker 2: finish work at like seven am to seven thirty and 871 00:40:39,440 --> 00:40:41,799 Speaker 2: then he started ending at six yep. And you were saying, 872 00:40:41,840 --> 00:40:43,359 Speaker 2: like to some people that may not be a big thing, 873 00:40:43,400 --> 00:40:44,640 Speaker 2: but in your family. 874 00:40:44,680 --> 00:40:45,240 Speaker 3: That was huge. 875 00:40:45,239 --> 00:40:46,400 Speaker 4: I was huge because all you. 876 00:40:46,400 --> 00:40:47,359 Speaker 3: Saw him do is work. 877 00:40:47,520 --> 00:40:49,600 Speaker 1: I always saw him. I always saw him do his work. 878 00:40:49,680 --> 00:40:54,800 Speaker 1: And when my grandmother died is when anywhere he went. 879 00:40:54,680 --> 00:40:56,719 Speaker 4: I tried to go with him. I try to go 880 00:40:56,760 --> 00:41:00,239 Speaker 4: with him. And it's it's tough, man. Like I like, 881 00:41:00,280 --> 00:41:00,880 Speaker 4: I keep. 882 00:41:00,719 --> 00:41:06,319 Speaker 1: Saying, my mom is unbelievable because I mean, I'll be 883 00:41:06,360 --> 00:41:09,279 Speaker 1: thirty eight in a few weeks and I still got 884 00:41:09,320 --> 00:41:12,080 Speaker 1: mom and dad. And it's not till I got older 885 00:41:12,120 --> 00:41:14,799 Speaker 1: and I started like I was like, man, mom, you 886 00:41:14,920 --> 00:41:19,640 Speaker 1: lost mom and dad? You know, so I can't imagine that. 887 00:41:20,120 --> 00:41:20,520 Speaker 4: Yeah? 888 00:41:20,640 --> 00:41:22,799 Speaker 2: Yeah, And how did they process it? Because you say 889 00:41:22,800 --> 00:41:24,840 Speaker 2: in the book, like how you know, we don't always 890 00:41:24,840 --> 00:41:26,520 Speaker 2: do therapy, We don't always talk about it. Like have 891 00:41:26,600 --> 00:41:29,400 Speaker 2: you helped them with their grief while you help yours? 892 00:41:29,440 --> 00:41:31,680 Speaker 2: Do you find it useful as a family to connect 893 00:41:31,800 --> 00:41:32,160 Speaker 2: or is it? 894 00:41:32,239 --> 00:41:34,040 Speaker 1: You know, it's crazy. I don't think my parents have 895 00:41:34,120 --> 00:41:36,520 Speaker 1: read the book yet. I'm so excited for him to 896 00:41:36,560 --> 00:41:37,920 Speaker 1: read it. I want them to read the book, but 897 00:41:37,960 --> 00:41:40,400 Speaker 1: I also want them to listen to the audiobook because 898 00:41:40,920 --> 00:41:43,600 Speaker 1: I did the audiobook so they can actually hear my voice. 899 00:41:44,120 --> 00:41:47,319 Speaker 1: And I think when they read it. They probably gonna 900 00:41:47,360 --> 00:41:50,120 Speaker 1: learn some stuff about me that they probably don't know. 901 00:41:50,239 --> 00:41:55,080 Speaker 1: And I know my family's extremely emotional and a lot 902 00:41:55,080 --> 00:41:57,200 Speaker 1: of times we're all working, we're all on the move, 903 00:41:57,280 --> 00:41:57,760 Speaker 1: we're all. 904 00:41:57,640 --> 00:41:59,840 Speaker 4: On the go. But I think it's going to be 905 00:41:59,840 --> 00:42:01,600 Speaker 4: so cool to talk about once they read it. 906 00:42:01,680 --> 00:42:03,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, what do you think is going to shock them 907 00:42:03,480 --> 00:42:05,880 Speaker 2: the most, to surprise them the most, or or something 908 00:42:05,880 --> 00:42:09,080 Speaker 2: you think that they're going to be maybe even is 909 00:42:09,080 --> 00:42:10,359 Speaker 2: there anything that would make them money easy? 910 00:42:10,560 --> 00:42:11,400 Speaker 3: What do you I don't. 911 00:42:11,200 --> 00:42:12,520 Speaker 4: Think anything's gonna be uneasy. 912 00:42:12,560 --> 00:42:16,040 Speaker 1: Some of it probably be funny because I talk about 913 00:42:16,040 --> 00:42:18,960 Speaker 1: some of me and my brothers, like childhood growing up, 914 00:42:19,040 --> 00:42:21,200 Speaker 1: my parents never talking to us about sex, all this 915 00:42:21,280 --> 00:42:25,880 Speaker 1: different type stuff. But it's gonna be real cool and 916 00:42:25,920 --> 00:42:28,359 Speaker 1: I think they'll probably I mean, I try to tell 917 00:42:28,400 --> 00:42:30,560 Speaker 1: my parents how much I appreciate them all the time, 918 00:42:30,640 --> 00:42:33,000 Speaker 1: but hopefully they get more of a feeling of that 919 00:42:33,080 --> 00:42:33,759 Speaker 1: through the book too. 920 00:42:33,960 --> 00:42:36,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, do you think you're talking about the hard work 921 00:42:36,239 --> 00:42:40,279 Speaker 2: and the balance and it's such a It's something that 922 00:42:40,360 --> 00:42:44,200 Speaker 2: I think all of us who are ambitious or obsessed 923 00:42:44,239 --> 00:42:48,480 Speaker 2: with figuring out right, you want to put everything into 924 00:42:48,840 --> 00:42:50,919 Speaker 2: the thing you love, the thing you were born to do. 925 00:42:51,239 --> 00:42:53,959 Speaker 2: And at the same time, you realize it's meaningless if 926 00:42:54,840 --> 00:42:57,239 Speaker 2: the family, the relationship, the friendships aren't there. 927 00:42:57,640 --> 00:42:57,799 Speaker 4: Right. 928 00:42:57,840 --> 00:42:59,680 Speaker 2: We always hear that to them, like no one wants 929 00:42:59,680 --> 00:43:01,640 Speaker 2: to be low at the top or it is lonely 930 00:43:01,680 --> 00:43:04,640 Speaker 2: at the top. Right, And so do you think that 931 00:43:04,640 --> 00:43:07,239 Speaker 2: that makes you sacrifice success or do you think that 932 00:43:07,320 --> 00:43:09,399 Speaker 2: it is success is to be able to have buzz? 933 00:43:09,560 --> 00:43:12,800 Speaker 1: It depends, it depends if you can have both, then 934 00:43:13,520 --> 00:43:16,160 Speaker 1: that's probably the ultimate goal, right, to have both, to 935 00:43:16,239 --> 00:43:19,919 Speaker 1: have that success and have that balance. But the thing 936 00:43:19,960 --> 00:43:23,319 Speaker 1: that I'm always battling with, right is that eighteen years 937 00:43:23,320 --> 00:43:26,839 Speaker 1: of my life I've been in the NBA, and that 938 00:43:27,000 --> 00:43:27,760 Speaker 1: is a blessing. 939 00:43:28,160 --> 00:43:30,640 Speaker 4: Right. I want to be there. I want to be 940 00:43:30,680 --> 00:43:31,960 Speaker 4: there for my kids' events. 941 00:43:32,040 --> 00:43:35,480 Speaker 1: I want to be a dad just like my dad 942 00:43:35,760 --> 00:43:38,480 Speaker 1: was to me, because I'm not where I'm at without 943 00:43:38,520 --> 00:43:42,560 Speaker 1: my dad sort of cultivating that and being there. And 944 00:43:42,560 --> 00:43:45,600 Speaker 1: then there's this other side of it too, whereas if 945 00:43:45,600 --> 00:43:48,840 Speaker 1: I was to retire, right and stop playing, knowing that 946 00:43:48,920 --> 00:43:50,759 Speaker 1: I still got a lot left in the tank and 947 00:43:50,800 --> 00:43:55,640 Speaker 1: still got the passion and whatnot, would I be this 948 00:43:55,800 --> 00:43:59,960 Speaker 1: amazing dad that I want to be if I gave 949 00:44:00,000 --> 00:44:04,840 Speaker 1: gave up my own passion, right. So that's the hard decision. 950 00:44:05,040 --> 00:44:09,080 Speaker 1: That's the hard decision that everyone has to make all 951 00:44:09,120 --> 00:44:12,040 Speaker 1: the time. And I constantly have those conversations with my 952 00:44:12,120 --> 00:44:15,200 Speaker 1: kids and my wife about it, and you know, we 953 00:44:15,280 --> 00:44:18,320 Speaker 1: ultimately sort of decided that they wouldn't like the person 954 00:44:18,360 --> 00:44:21,600 Speaker 1: that's at home if I stopped playing prematurely. 955 00:44:21,800 --> 00:44:24,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's so real, man, I think that's like the 956 00:44:25,840 --> 00:44:28,640 Speaker 2: that's that's the biggest realization, is like, how if you're 957 00:44:28,680 --> 00:44:32,759 Speaker 2: not living your purpose, the person you become is like 958 00:44:32,800 --> 00:44:36,000 Speaker 2: a figment, like a little tiny piece of who you 959 00:44:36,080 --> 00:44:39,160 Speaker 2: really are, and then everyone's getting that leftover version. 960 00:44:38,800 --> 00:44:39,720 Speaker 4: Of you exactly. 961 00:44:39,760 --> 00:44:43,719 Speaker 1: And so it's crazy. You just never know it's you know, 962 00:44:44,200 --> 00:44:47,480 Speaker 1: that time. You know you won't get that time back. 963 00:44:47,520 --> 00:44:49,480 Speaker 1: It ain't like you can stop playing and then called 964 00:44:49,480 --> 00:44:51,279 Speaker 1: the NBA in four or five years be like yo, 965 00:44:51,400 --> 00:44:54,080 Speaker 1: pick me back up, you know. But also you don't 966 00:44:54,120 --> 00:44:57,120 Speaker 1: get that time back with the kids. So that's what 967 00:44:57,200 --> 00:44:58,279 Speaker 1: we all trying to figure out. 968 00:44:59,200 --> 00:45:01,920 Speaker 2: If you were in that tape, if you're there at 969 00:45:01,960 --> 00:45:04,640 Speaker 2: that bus day, what would you have said? 970 00:45:05,040 --> 00:45:08,319 Speaker 1: Oh, man, I'm sure it's a tape somewhere from one 971 00:45:08,320 --> 00:45:10,279 Speaker 1: of those other birthdays, But I know I would have 972 00:45:10,400 --> 00:45:12,960 Speaker 1: just talked about how my granddad was my best friend, 973 00:45:13,440 --> 00:45:16,080 Speaker 1: you know, and how I was happy for him to 974 00:45:16,160 --> 00:45:18,759 Speaker 1: be there, and I probably would have said something about 975 00:45:18,800 --> 00:45:20,759 Speaker 1: him not having his teeth in you. 976 00:45:20,719 --> 00:45:22,919 Speaker 4: Know, in that video. In the video that I seen 977 00:45:23,000 --> 00:45:24,920 Speaker 4: of him, he didn't have his teeth in his mouth. 978 00:45:25,000 --> 00:45:27,000 Speaker 1: So as soon as I seen him walk in and 979 00:45:27,080 --> 00:45:29,439 Speaker 1: his whole face was closed up, I was like, where 980 00:45:29,560 --> 00:45:31,160 Speaker 1: is my granddaddy teeth at? 981 00:45:31,239 --> 00:45:33,040 Speaker 4: But I don't know? 982 00:45:33,239 --> 00:45:35,239 Speaker 1: And it was crazy for me because, like I said, 983 00:45:35,280 --> 00:45:38,080 Speaker 1: I'm watching his video not knowing what it is, and 984 00:45:38,080 --> 00:45:40,959 Speaker 1: then when I see it's his sixtieth birthday, knowing that 985 00:45:41,080 --> 00:45:44,000 Speaker 1: he died literally the next year at sixty one, it 986 00:45:44,160 --> 00:45:46,520 Speaker 1: was it was crazy. So I would have definitely just 987 00:45:46,560 --> 00:45:49,000 Speaker 1: told him, you know how much I love and appreciate him, 988 00:45:49,040 --> 00:45:51,080 Speaker 1: and probably try to get him to move in with 989 00:45:51,160 --> 00:45:51,520 Speaker 1: us again. 990 00:45:52,719 --> 00:45:55,200 Speaker 2: What do you think is a lesson that if he 991 00:45:55,280 --> 00:45:56,920 Speaker 2: was here with us today that he'd still want you 992 00:45:57,000 --> 00:45:59,640 Speaker 2: to learn or something he'd be poking at you at? 993 00:46:00,400 --> 00:46:03,360 Speaker 2: Oh man, what do you think he'd be coaching on 994 00:46:03,520 --> 00:46:05,960 Speaker 2: right now? Probably all the texts that I get my temper? 995 00:46:06,400 --> 00:46:09,360 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, probably, But I don't know. 996 00:46:09,400 --> 00:46:11,719 Speaker 1: I think the biggest thing that my granddad would be 997 00:46:11,840 --> 00:46:15,080 Speaker 1: proud of if he was still here was just that 998 00:46:15,120 --> 00:46:17,839 Speaker 1: our family is still together, you know what I mean. 999 00:46:17,880 --> 00:46:20,040 Speaker 1: I think that's the biggest thing that he'd be proud 1000 00:46:20,080 --> 00:46:23,120 Speaker 1: of because he had he had my mom, and he 1001 00:46:23,200 --> 00:46:27,080 Speaker 1: had my aunt Randa, right, and so the fact that 1002 00:46:27,400 --> 00:46:30,800 Speaker 1: even in La that's where my wife and kids lives, 1003 00:46:30,840 --> 00:46:34,200 Speaker 1: where my brother lives, that's where my aunt Ronda's kids, 1004 00:46:34,239 --> 00:46:37,800 Speaker 1: Aj and Koya live, like all the holidays, we all 1005 00:46:37,840 --> 00:46:40,880 Speaker 1: still get together, even after all this time. And uh, 1006 00:46:41,239 --> 00:46:42,880 Speaker 1: I think that's what he'd be most proud of. 1007 00:46:43,200 --> 00:46:46,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, you know, it's like when I'm reading 1008 00:46:46,560 --> 00:46:50,799 Speaker 2: the book, I had the the buds, I viewed note 1009 00:46:50,800 --> 00:46:53,239 Speaker 2: of what had happened in your experience, but then to 1010 00:46:53,320 --> 00:46:56,400 Speaker 2: read it and to get the real context of the 1011 00:46:56,440 --> 00:47:00,680 Speaker 2: depth of your relationship with your grandpa, which then when 1012 00:47:00,719 --> 00:47:03,680 Speaker 2: you read about what happens, you're like, you know that 1013 00:47:03,960 --> 00:47:06,600 Speaker 2: that like it gets it gets you, right, like it 1014 00:47:06,640 --> 00:47:08,600 Speaker 2: gets me. I wasn't close with my granddad at all. 1015 00:47:10,360 --> 00:47:12,799 Speaker 2: I never I barely met my dad's dad, and I 1016 00:47:12,840 --> 00:47:15,680 Speaker 2: was never really that close to my mom's dad, and 1017 00:47:15,719 --> 00:47:17,719 Speaker 2: so I didn't I don't have I can't even say 1018 00:47:17,760 --> 00:47:19,560 Speaker 2: I know how you feel because I don't even have 1019 00:47:19,680 --> 00:47:22,840 Speaker 2: that context. But I felt close to your relationship with 1020 00:47:22,920 --> 00:47:26,360 Speaker 2: your granddad because of how you describe him, and then 1021 00:47:26,640 --> 00:47:28,600 Speaker 2: I mean, there's no words to describe it, for it 1022 00:47:28,640 --> 00:47:30,759 Speaker 2: to happen, just in the most tragic way that you 1023 00:47:30,800 --> 00:47:33,839 Speaker 2: could lose someone you love, and the way you find out, 1024 00:47:33,960 --> 00:47:37,439 Speaker 2: the way you rush over there, Like, yeah, that whole 1025 00:47:37,440 --> 00:47:41,120 Speaker 2: moment when I'm reading it, it was like, I can't imagine 1026 00:47:41,120 --> 00:47:44,040 Speaker 2: how tough it is to relive that for you as 1027 00:47:44,040 --> 00:47:49,200 Speaker 2: you're writing it out. And why was it so important 1028 00:47:49,239 --> 00:47:52,880 Speaker 2: to share that piece and why did it mean so 1029 00:47:53,000 --> 00:47:54,280 Speaker 2: much to you to share that piece? 1030 00:47:54,760 --> 00:47:57,040 Speaker 4: Yeah, I think it was important for me to share 1031 00:47:57,120 --> 00:47:57,680 Speaker 4: it just. 1032 00:47:59,160 --> 00:48:03,560 Speaker 1: Selfishly for me too, you know, to talk about it, 1033 00:48:03,600 --> 00:48:05,920 Speaker 1: and also to show why I am sort. 1034 00:48:05,680 --> 00:48:08,120 Speaker 4: Of the way I am and why I'm wired the way. 1035 00:48:07,920 --> 00:48:12,200 Speaker 1: I am, and I don't know, keep learning little things 1036 00:48:12,520 --> 00:48:15,040 Speaker 1: like throughout the book. Throughout the process of writing a book, 1037 00:48:15,320 --> 00:48:17,879 Speaker 1: I was having to call and ask like my mom 1038 00:48:18,000 --> 00:48:20,400 Speaker 1: some questions, right, Like that's how I found out my 1039 00:48:20,400 --> 00:48:21,839 Speaker 1: granddad's name was. 1040 00:48:22,840 --> 00:48:25,400 Speaker 4: Chili, Like we called them pop out Chili, but. 1041 00:48:26,960 --> 00:48:30,160 Speaker 1: Called my mom Luckily, my granddad still has a few 1042 00:48:30,160 --> 00:48:32,239 Speaker 1: siblings that are still alive, and that's why it's so 1043 00:48:32,320 --> 00:48:36,880 Speaker 1: important to ask our grandparents and things like that questions 1044 00:48:36,920 --> 00:48:41,680 Speaker 1: so we know our history. And I don't know, I 1045 00:48:41,719 --> 00:48:45,080 Speaker 1: think it was just great for me. Obviously, I want 1046 00:48:45,120 --> 00:48:47,000 Speaker 1: a lot of people to read it. But sometimes I 1047 00:48:47,080 --> 00:48:49,200 Speaker 1: was almost in the book just talking to my family 1048 00:48:50,080 --> 00:48:53,719 Speaker 1: because even being away from home, right, I haven't lived 1049 00:48:53,760 --> 00:48:56,359 Speaker 1: in Winston Salem in eighteen years, and that's where all 1050 00:48:56,400 --> 00:48:58,840 Speaker 1: my family is, like you were saying, your wife, like 1051 00:48:58,960 --> 00:48:59,640 Speaker 1: London or whatever. 1052 00:48:59,640 --> 00:49:01,280 Speaker 4: I grew up around all my family. 1053 00:49:01,400 --> 00:49:04,640 Speaker 1: So in some parts of his memoirs, me talking to 1054 00:49:05,080 --> 00:49:07,520 Speaker 1: my family back home that I've been away from from 1055 00:49:07,600 --> 00:49:10,080 Speaker 1: a long time and just letting them know how much 1056 00:49:10,120 --> 00:49:14,480 Speaker 1: I appreciate him, how much I miss him through a lot. 1057 00:49:14,400 --> 00:49:17,120 Speaker 4: Of these experiences too. It's taught me. 1058 00:49:18,680 --> 00:49:22,319 Speaker 1: I really treasure the relationship that my kids have my 1059 00:49:22,480 --> 00:49:25,520 Speaker 1: parents and my wife's parents, right, because my dad, my 1060 00:49:25,560 --> 00:49:27,360 Speaker 1: mom and dad, they are not the same people to 1061 00:49:27,480 --> 00:49:31,120 Speaker 1: raise me, right, they are not the way they be 1062 00:49:31,280 --> 00:49:34,600 Speaker 1: so nice to my kids. And you know, my son 1063 00:49:34,680 --> 00:49:37,440 Speaker 1: in the backyard shooting basketball when he was younger, and 1064 00:49:37,480 --> 00:49:40,000 Speaker 1: he bricking left and right and my mama just yelling 1065 00:49:40,040 --> 00:49:44,800 Speaker 1: good job, baby, No, that is not what you're supposed 1066 00:49:44,800 --> 00:49:48,360 Speaker 1: to be doing. But there are times when my kids 1067 00:49:48,360 --> 00:49:50,440 Speaker 1: will do something and I get on them, and I 1068 00:49:50,480 --> 00:49:52,640 Speaker 1: see my dad them like be easy on them, and 1069 00:49:52,680 --> 00:49:56,440 Speaker 1: I like, you wasn't easy on me. But because of 1070 00:49:56,520 --> 00:50:00,880 Speaker 1: my grandfather and that relationship, I get it, like I 1071 00:50:00,960 --> 00:50:02,799 Speaker 1: get it when my parents would get mad at me 1072 00:50:02,960 --> 00:50:04,040 Speaker 1: or I get my butt whoop. 1073 00:50:04,120 --> 00:50:06,080 Speaker 4: The first person I called was my granddad. 1074 00:50:06,560 --> 00:50:13,560 Speaker 1: So I'm grateful for that because those relationships are really important, 1075 00:50:13,560 --> 00:50:16,480 Speaker 1: and I want to make sure that my kids have 1076 00:50:16,680 --> 00:50:17,960 Speaker 1: that bond that I had. 1077 00:50:17,800 --> 00:50:18,720 Speaker 4: Too with my granddad. 1078 00:50:19,200 --> 00:50:21,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure, And that's I'm so happy to hear that. 1079 00:50:22,080 --> 00:50:24,000 Speaker 2: I'm so happy to hear you feel that your kids 1080 00:50:24,000 --> 00:50:27,480 Speaker 2: have that video parents and Jada's parents, because yes, because. 1081 00:50:27,239 --> 00:50:29,160 Speaker 1: When they wake up, when my parents are in town 1082 00:50:29,239 --> 00:50:31,520 Speaker 1: and my kids wake up in the morning, they run 1083 00:50:31,560 --> 00:50:33,959 Speaker 1: in their first, they running that first, and I see 1084 00:50:33,960 --> 00:50:36,760 Speaker 1: the way that my parents light up, and it seriously 1085 00:50:36,840 --> 00:50:41,000 Speaker 1: like I literally look at my parents and I think 1086 00:50:41,040 --> 00:50:43,360 Speaker 1: back to my granddad and how he must have felt. 1087 00:50:44,560 --> 00:50:48,000 Speaker 1: It's so crazy. What's is twenty twenty three. My dad 1088 00:50:48,080 --> 00:50:51,440 Speaker 1: is sixty two now and so when my granddad, I mean, 1089 00:50:51,480 --> 00:50:54,239 Speaker 1: when my dad turned sixty one last year, it was 1090 00:50:54,280 --> 00:50:58,040 Speaker 1: like crazy emotional for me because I was like, man, 1091 00:50:58,120 --> 00:51:00,799 Speaker 1: this is how old my grandad it was when I 1092 00:51:00,840 --> 00:51:05,400 Speaker 1: lost them, and it's crazy to see like my dad. 1093 00:51:05,480 --> 00:51:08,239 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, absolutely, and for them to have him in 1094 00:51:08,360 --> 00:51:13,280 Speaker 2: health and greatness. It's I think the part that really 1095 00:51:13,719 --> 00:51:16,120 Speaker 2: blew my mind is you saying how you found a 1096 00:51:16,160 --> 00:51:20,759 Speaker 2: way to have empathy and you know, some sort of 1097 00:51:20,840 --> 00:51:27,600 Speaker 2: like forgiveness for the four individuals that assaulted your grandfather. 1098 00:51:27,719 --> 00:51:30,799 Speaker 2: And I think having to relive it again when the 1099 00:51:30,800 --> 00:51:33,680 Speaker 2: case gets opened up again and you know, you know, 1100 00:51:33,760 --> 00:51:35,560 Speaker 2: to deal with it up until twenty twenty one, I 1101 00:51:35,560 --> 00:51:39,799 Speaker 2: think it was like, you know, it's like that having 1102 00:51:39,800 --> 00:51:42,239 Speaker 2: to go through it is the worst thing anyway, and 1103 00:51:42,280 --> 00:51:44,480 Speaker 2: then to have to leave, relive it again, and for 1104 00:51:44,520 --> 00:51:47,480 Speaker 2: it to be opened up, and for innocence to be 1105 00:51:47,560 --> 00:51:50,160 Speaker 2: the topical conversation, and for then again for it to close. 1106 00:51:50,239 --> 00:51:52,640 Speaker 2: Like but for you to be in a place where 1107 00:51:52,640 --> 00:51:54,279 Speaker 2: you said, it's taken you a long time, but you 1108 00:51:54,320 --> 00:51:57,640 Speaker 2: feel like there's a certain level of empathy, I'm like, 1109 00:51:57,760 --> 00:52:02,800 Speaker 2: that is I mean, it walk us through the journey, 1110 00:52:02,920 --> 00:52:06,000 Speaker 2: not the end, because the end is the hard part. 1111 00:52:06,080 --> 00:52:11,160 Speaker 1: But yeah, the journey is tough because in the immediate reaction, 1112 00:52:12,080 --> 00:52:14,399 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, Like I said in the book, I had 1113 00:52:14,440 --> 00:52:18,439 Speaker 1: some family members who was gonna handle it, handle it themselves, but. 1114 00:52:18,400 --> 00:52:22,080 Speaker 4: It was I don't know, it took a while. 1115 00:52:22,239 --> 00:52:25,960 Speaker 1: But then you start to realize, no matter what happens, 1116 00:52:26,000 --> 00:52:28,879 Speaker 1: he's not coming back, right, I couldn't get him back. 1117 00:52:29,520 --> 00:52:32,560 Speaker 1: And I don't know if it was just getting older 1118 00:52:32,640 --> 00:52:35,640 Speaker 1: or the way that I like watch shows. You start 1119 00:52:35,760 --> 00:52:38,760 Speaker 1: learning about the prison system and all this different type stuff, 1120 00:52:38,800 --> 00:52:43,080 Speaker 1: and you just start realizing that people make mistakes, sometimes 1121 00:52:43,120 --> 00:52:49,640 Speaker 1: bigger than others. But being incarcerated for that long of 1122 00:52:49,640 --> 00:52:51,279 Speaker 1: a time, you know what I mean, If you can 1123 00:52:51,360 --> 00:52:55,560 Speaker 1: show that you're remorseful and everything, that everything has happened, 1124 00:52:56,200 --> 00:52:59,240 Speaker 1: that's when I definitely think you need a second chance 1125 00:52:59,239 --> 00:52:59,759 Speaker 1: at this thing. 1126 00:53:00,400 --> 00:53:03,439 Speaker 2: Did you ever receive any remorse or apology or any 1127 00:53:03,480 --> 00:53:05,960 Speaker 2: sort of thing from them or that never happened? 1128 00:53:06,080 --> 00:53:07,439 Speaker 4: No? No, never. 1129 00:53:07,960 --> 00:53:12,600 Speaker 1: And what's crazy is, like I said, when that case 1130 00:53:12,640 --> 00:53:15,839 Speaker 1: got reopened, that was one of the first times. It 1131 00:53:15,960 --> 00:53:18,080 Speaker 1: was the first time that I actually started finding out 1132 00:53:18,120 --> 00:53:20,960 Speaker 1: details about the case. Because you think about, like I said, 1133 00:53:21,000 --> 00:53:23,160 Speaker 1: I was in college and my. 1134 00:53:23,120 --> 00:53:24,040 Speaker 4: Parents wouldn't let me go. 1135 00:53:24,400 --> 00:53:26,560 Speaker 1: They wouldn't let me go to any of the court 1136 00:53:26,600 --> 00:53:29,680 Speaker 1: hearings or anything like that. And over the years, I 1137 00:53:29,760 --> 00:53:31,600 Speaker 1: tell you, my aunt Ronda, she'd have wanted to be 1138 00:53:31,680 --> 00:53:35,000 Speaker 1: on top of everything. And it was a few times 1139 00:53:35,040 --> 00:53:37,760 Speaker 1: that I used to ask her. I used to be like, Auntie, 1140 00:53:37,840 --> 00:53:40,480 Speaker 1: show show me what the boys looked like, you know, 1141 00:53:40,560 --> 00:53:43,040 Speaker 1: and she would like pull up a picture or whatnot. 1142 00:53:43,080 --> 00:53:46,240 Speaker 1: And that was like hard to even look at because 1143 00:53:46,960 --> 00:53:50,960 Speaker 1: you started questioning asking why, like hell, why would you 1144 00:53:51,000 --> 00:53:56,480 Speaker 1: do this? But as time goes on, you just you 1145 00:53:56,600 --> 00:53:57,279 Speaker 1: just try to heal. 1146 00:53:57,640 --> 00:54:02,800 Speaker 2: That's that's huge man, to hear the apology and remorse 1147 00:54:02,880 --> 00:54:07,080 Speaker 2: and to almost to accept an apology you never received 1148 00:54:07,960 --> 00:54:11,000 Speaker 2: in order to rise above. I mean that that's like, 1149 00:54:11,560 --> 00:54:13,279 Speaker 2: I mean, that's I mean. I was gonna ask you, 1150 00:54:13,320 --> 00:54:14,879 Speaker 2: what do you think is the toughest thing you've ever done? 1151 00:54:14,960 --> 00:54:18,120 Speaker 2: I'm like, that sounds like the toughest thing anyone's ever 1152 00:54:18,120 --> 00:54:18,480 Speaker 2: had to do. 1153 00:54:19,160 --> 00:54:21,719 Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure, it's definitely one of them. Like I said, 1154 00:54:21,760 --> 00:54:24,879 Speaker 1: I think it was the unexpected situation as far as 1155 00:54:24,920 --> 00:54:27,640 Speaker 1: my granddad and in the book, like I really like detail, 1156 00:54:28,600 --> 00:54:31,040 Speaker 1: you know, when traumatic things happen you sort of tend 1157 00:54:31,040 --> 00:54:34,280 Speaker 1: to remember everything down to I remember scuffing my Jordans, 1158 00:54:34,719 --> 00:54:38,680 Speaker 1: you know what I mean, right there about the gym, and. 1159 00:54:39,960 --> 00:54:40,680 Speaker 4: It was crazy. 1160 00:54:40,680 --> 00:54:43,040 Speaker 1: It was just a whirl when how everything happened that 1161 00:54:43,160 --> 00:54:45,960 Speaker 1: went from the best day on the fourteenth seriously like 1162 00:54:46,000 --> 00:54:48,799 Speaker 1: a movie. The fourteenth signed my letter of intent to 1163 00:54:48,880 --> 00:54:53,279 Speaker 1: the fifteenth that happened. You start to realize that, I 1164 00:54:53,320 --> 00:54:56,120 Speaker 1: don't know, like I'm right here thinking about it. Yeah, 1165 00:54:56,200 --> 00:54:59,000 Speaker 1: I love that when people when people call you sometimes 1166 00:54:59,080 --> 00:55:01,600 Speaker 1: now whatnot? Like you always hope for the best, but 1167 00:55:01,680 --> 00:55:04,600 Speaker 1: expect the worst. You know, when somebody says, yo, do 1168 00:55:04,760 --> 00:55:05,120 Speaker 1: just happen? 1169 00:55:05,160 --> 00:55:05,719 Speaker 4: You know what I mean? 1170 00:55:05,880 --> 00:55:09,560 Speaker 1: Even though that one situation happened, it sort of almost 1171 00:55:09,840 --> 00:55:13,080 Speaker 1: gets you on edge whenever something happens. 1172 00:55:13,440 --> 00:55:13,880 Speaker 4: Yeah. 1173 00:55:13,920 --> 00:55:17,160 Speaker 2: Well, well, I think that the book is genuinely like 1174 00:55:17,560 --> 00:55:20,920 Speaker 2: it's a beautiful dedication to your grandpa, Like it is 1175 00:55:21,000 --> 00:55:24,600 Speaker 2: like I can't imagine anyone in the world who wouldn't 1176 00:55:24,640 --> 00:55:28,279 Speaker 2: be super proud to be honored in that way. Like 1177 00:55:28,320 --> 00:55:30,880 Speaker 2: it's such a beautiful honoring of a person that you loved. 1178 00:55:30,920 --> 00:55:33,560 Speaker 2: And I don't think I've ever read a memoir that 1179 00:55:33,600 --> 00:55:35,400 Speaker 2: felt like an honoring of someone else. 1180 00:55:35,680 --> 00:55:36,640 Speaker 4: Man I appreciate it. 1181 00:55:36,719 --> 00:55:38,440 Speaker 3: Yeah, I really mean that. 1182 00:55:38,480 --> 00:55:40,280 Speaker 2: It's like I was reading it, I was like, you, 1183 00:55:40,280 --> 00:55:42,400 Speaker 2: you know, obviously you shared you do share so much 1184 00:55:42,400 --> 00:55:45,359 Speaker 2: about yourself, but so much about yourself is in him 1185 00:55:45,719 --> 00:55:48,759 Speaker 2: for sure and from him, and so you know, to 1186 00:55:49,120 --> 00:55:52,279 Speaker 2: read something with someone honest, like almost offering your life 1187 00:55:52,320 --> 00:55:55,600 Speaker 2: as an honoring to him, is to do that in 1188 00:55:55,640 --> 00:55:58,560 Speaker 2: a memoir, it's very very special. It's like very special. 1189 00:55:58,800 --> 00:55:59,920 Speaker 4: How many books have you written? 1190 00:56:00,320 --> 00:56:00,960 Speaker 3: Ran not too? 1191 00:56:02,160 --> 00:56:03,279 Speaker 4: Oh, yeah, this is one. 1192 00:56:03,560 --> 00:56:06,360 Speaker 1: And that was that took a while because, like you said, 1193 00:56:06,760 --> 00:56:08,960 Speaker 1: I wanted you to be able to feel like what 1194 00:56:09,040 --> 00:56:11,440 Speaker 1: I was experiencing and what I was going through. And 1195 00:56:11,719 --> 00:56:13,960 Speaker 1: it's cool, it's really cool. It's really cool to hear 1196 00:56:13,960 --> 00:56:14,840 Speaker 1: that you you read it. 1197 00:56:14,880 --> 00:56:15,040 Speaker 4: All. 1198 00:56:15,080 --> 00:56:17,160 Speaker 1: That sort of made me nervous when you said that too, 1199 00:56:17,600 --> 00:56:20,719 Speaker 1: because because it's probably not always going to be. 1200 00:56:22,640 --> 00:56:23,600 Speaker 4: The best or whatnot. 1201 00:56:23,600 --> 00:56:27,920 Speaker 1: But if somebody can draw any experience from it, right, 1202 00:56:28,040 --> 00:56:32,560 Speaker 1: any experience from it, and I think then that was 1203 00:56:32,600 --> 00:56:32,879 Speaker 1: a win. 1204 00:56:33,239 --> 00:56:33,520 Speaker 4: Yeah. 1205 00:56:33,560 --> 00:56:35,440 Speaker 2: And I didn't mean to scare you. I just wanted 1206 00:56:35,480 --> 00:56:37,400 Speaker 2: it to know, you know. I just I feel like 1207 00:56:37,440 --> 00:56:39,919 Speaker 2: when I when I started to dive into you and it, 1208 00:56:39,960 --> 00:56:43,279 Speaker 2: I was just like I just needed to feel like 1209 00:56:43,360 --> 00:56:46,240 Speaker 2: I had a real grasp of what you've gone through 1210 00:56:46,600 --> 00:56:49,160 Speaker 2: to honor you in this way as well, Like sure, 1211 00:56:49,200 --> 00:56:50,839 Speaker 2: when I sit down with someone, I feel like I'm 1212 00:56:50,880 --> 00:56:54,440 Speaker 2: trying to to some degree appreciate and honor their life 1213 00:56:54,520 --> 00:56:58,520 Speaker 2: because it's my ability to also capture your you as 1214 00:56:58,520 --> 00:57:02,520 Speaker 2: a as a human and even the name Like I 1215 00:57:02,560 --> 00:57:04,480 Speaker 2: remember when the book first came on my desk and 1216 00:57:04,520 --> 00:57:06,399 Speaker 2: I was trying to figure out like I didn't get 1217 00:57:06,400 --> 00:57:09,359 Speaker 2: the physical version, but the digital version. When it first 1218 00:57:09,360 --> 00:57:11,400 Speaker 2: came to me, I was like, sixty one interesting, and 1219 00:57:11,440 --> 00:57:15,719 Speaker 2: I started diving into everything around it, and what did 1220 00:57:15,800 --> 00:57:19,600 Speaker 2: it feel like when in that game, you you know 1221 00:57:19,640 --> 00:57:21,760 Speaker 2: when you talk about all the feelings that rush through 1222 00:57:21,800 --> 00:57:24,080 Speaker 2: ahead of like, oh, that's the record of Jordan at 1223 00:57:24,120 --> 00:57:27,280 Speaker 2: sixty seven, and you know, I feel like when you're 1224 00:57:27,320 --> 00:57:29,720 Speaker 2: in that place, so many things are flashing in between 1225 00:57:29,720 --> 00:57:32,840 Speaker 2: your eyes, like just walk us through that. 1226 00:57:33,560 --> 00:57:35,880 Speaker 1: It was crazy because, like I said, the high school 1227 00:57:35,920 --> 00:57:38,520 Speaker 1: that we played against was my mom's old high school, Parkland, 1228 00:57:39,120 --> 00:57:41,200 Speaker 1: and the most I scored in the game up to 1229 00:57:41,280 --> 00:57:43,840 Speaker 1: them might have been like thirty four or thirty six. 1230 00:57:44,880 --> 00:57:49,760 Speaker 1: And I know that when death happens or things happen 1231 00:57:49,840 --> 00:57:52,160 Speaker 1: for me. A lot of times I get quiet, right, 1232 00:57:52,200 --> 00:57:54,040 Speaker 1: and a lot of times that's because I'm just trying 1233 00:57:54,040 --> 00:57:56,920 Speaker 1: to collect my thoughts or trying to breathe, or I 1234 00:57:56,960 --> 00:58:00,960 Speaker 1: don't necessarily know what I'm always thinking. But I knew 1235 00:58:01,000 --> 00:58:03,880 Speaker 1: that I wanted to try to honor my granddad somehow, 1236 00:58:03,960 --> 00:58:08,880 Speaker 1: some way, and I didn't want everybody to know, you know, 1237 00:58:08,920 --> 00:58:10,680 Speaker 1: I'm one of those people to just like try to 1238 00:58:10,720 --> 00:58:16,360 Speaker 1: get it done right, get it done. And when it happened, 1239 00:58:16,440 --> 00:58:19,000 Speaker 1: and I had fifty nine and I drove and I 1240 00:58:19,040 --> 00:58:21,880 Speaker 1: scored the sixty first point. I think about it, that 1241 00:58:22,040 --> 00:58:26,800 Speaker 1: was twenty years ago, right, twenty years ago, So I 1242 00:58:27,320 --> 00:58:29,440 Speaker 1: couldn't foresee that I would be in the NBA all 1243 00:58:29,480 --> 00:58:34,760 Speaker 1: this different type stuff. But that was the highlight, right, 1244 00:58:34,800 --> 00:58:37,440 Speaker 1: And I just never forget being so tired and exhausted 1245 00:58:37,760 --> 00:58:42,440 Speaker 1: because emotionally I'd been drained, right, had literally been drained, 1246 00:58:43,120 --> 00:58:46,280 Speaker 1: and seeing my dad over there on the bench and 1247 00:58:46,360 --> 00:58:49,200 Speaker 1: my brother what not, just made it that much more emotional. 1248 00:58:49,280 --> 00:58:52,760 Speaker 1: And I knew, like right then that all my family 1249 00:58:52,840 --> 00:58:55,680 Speaker 1: was in town or whatnot, and that's something that would 1250 00:58:55,760 --> 00:58:57,600 Speaker 1: always connect us for the rest of our lives. 1251 00:58:57,720 --> 00:59:00,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think for so many people went through something 1252 00:59:00,880 --> 00:59:04,640 Speaker 2: like that twenty years ago. It's easy to for all 1253 00:59:04,640 --> 00:59:06,320 Speaker 2: of us on the outside to look back now and 1254 00:59:06,400 --> 00:59:10,360 Speaker 2: see how incredible it is. But for so many people 1255 00:59:10,440 --> 00:59:12,960 Speaker 2: that would have been a very valid reason to give 1256 00:59:13,040 --> 00:59:16,320 Speaker 2: up on their dream or for it to not happen, 1257 00:59:16,440 --> 00:59:19,200 Speaker 2: because you know, it derails you and it can derail 1258 00:59:19,240 --> 00:59:21,560 Speaker 2: your life, and that would be completely valid. But to 1259 00:59:21,680 --> 00:59:25,240 Speaker 2: actually look back at it now and go, this career 1260 00:59:25,280 --> 00:59:30,040 Speaker 2: is dedicated to this person through your lens, it's remarkable 1261 00:59:30,240 --> 00:59:31,919 Speaker 2: to think that you can find the courage to step 1262 00:59:32,000 --> 00:59:32,960 Speaker 2: up again and go from that. 1263 00:59:33,520 --> 00:59:34,280 Speaker 4: Yeah. 1264 00:59:34,400 --> 00:59:36,560 Speaker 1: I think what's even crazier for me, probably at this 1265 00:59:36,720 --> 00:59:40,280 Speaker 1: point in my life, is that I've actually been without 1266 00:59:40,440 --> 00:59:44,120 Speaker 1: my grandfather longer than I was with him, right, And I. 1267 00:59:44,120 --> 00:59:47,080 Speaker 4: Never think about that. You sort of just live or whatnot. 1268 00:59:47,080 --> 00:59:50,960 Speaker 1: But there is literally almost nothing that I can do 1269 00:59:51,040 --> 00:59:54,160 Speaker 1: on a daily basis that I don't think about it, 1270 00:59:54,800 --> 00:59:59,520 Speaker 1: you know. And what's crazy is in the book, I 1271 00:59:59,560 --> 01:00:02,920 Speaker 1: think said something about one of his favorite scriptures being 1272 01:00:02,960 --> 01:00:04,200 Speaker 1: Philippians for thirteen. 1273 01:00:04,440 --> 01:00:06,440 Speaker 4: I can do all things through Christy strength is me. 1274 01:00:06,840 --> 01:00:09,600 Speaker 1: And that video I just found when he's standing up 1275 01:00:09,640 --> 01:00:14,800 Speaker 1: thanking everybody for coming to his birthday thing. He says that, 1276 01:00:15,480 --> 01:00:18,160 Speaker 1: and it gave me goosebumps, he says that in the video. 1277 01:00:18,360 --> 01:00:20,680 Speaker 1: So one thing about it, I'm gonna tell my daddy 1278 01:00:20,680 --> 01:00:25,360 Speaker 1: to keep finding videos because this is it's really nice 1279 01:00:25,400 --> 01:00:25,600 Speaker 1: to have. 1280 01:00:25,920 --> 01:00:28,160 Speaker 3: Yeah, and that's not the watch though, that's a different one. 1281 01:00:28,280 --> 01:00:32,400 Speaker 1: No, it isn't the watch. But Vacheron right, this is 1282 01:00:32,400 --> 01:00:33,080 Speaker 1: the two two two. 1283 01:00:33,800 --> 01:00:37,960 Speaker 4: I literally got this watch because it looks looks like 1284 01:00:38,160 --> 01:00:38,600 Speaker 4: the one. 1285 01:00:39,480 --> 01:00:42,320 Speaker 3: Yeah, the way you described was like, yeah, yeah, this. 1286 01:00:42,400 --> 01:00:45,480 Speaker 1: Watch looks like and I mean I think I talk 1287 01:00:45,520 --> 01:00:49,400 Speaker 1: about how strict my parents were growing up. There was 1288 01:00:49,440 --> 01:00:52,800 Speaker 1: no earrings, no nothing like this or whatnot, no tattoos 1289 01:00:52,880 --> 01:00:56,160 Speaker 1: or whatnot. But last summer I got this this tattoo 1290 01:00:56,240 --> 01:01:00,360 Speaker 1: right here with your chevron logos right yeah, for my 1291 01:01:00,440 --> 01:01:00,840 Speaker 1: brand there. 1292 01:01:01,080 --> 01:01:01,920 Speaker 3: Yeah. 1293 01:01:02,040 --> 01:01:04,560 Speaker 2: I love getting to do this because I even even 1294 01:01:04,600 --> 01:01:06,439 Speaker 2: just singing with you right now, I'm like, I'm thinking, 1295 01:01:06,760 --> 01:01:08,360 Speaker 2: I'm so grateful that I came out today to sit 1296 01:01:08,440 --> 01:01:12,120 Speaker 2: with you, to have this opportunity, because you know, it 1297 01:01:12,200 --> 01:01:14,440 Speaker 2: takes a lot of courage to sit with someone and 1298 01:01:15,120 --> 01:01:17,320 Speaker 2: for them to open up in this way, and obviously 1299 01:01:17,360 --> 01:01:19,240 Speaker 2: you have a book to do it. And I was 1300 01:01:19,280 --> 01:01:22,080 Speaker 2: really fortunate to have the same experience to sit down 1301 01:01:22,080 --> 01:01:26,800 Speaker 2: with Kobe in twenty nineteen. 1302 01:01:26,880 --> 01:01:29,240 Speaker 3: Twenty nineteen, yeah, twenty nineteen, it would have been. 1303 01:01:29,520 --> 01:01:29,800 Speaker 4: It was. 1304 01:01:29,840 --> 01:01:34,360 Speaker 2: It was literally like two months before his tragic accident. 1305 01:01:34,360 --> 01:01:36,200 Speaker 2: So I got to interview him and we didn't we 1306 01:01:36,200 --> 01:01:38,080 Speaker 2: didn't know each other in the same way we don't 1307 01:01:38,120 --> 01:01:41,000 Speaker 2: know each other, but I felt like there was a 1308 01:01:41,040 --> 01:01:45,120 Speaker 2: real connection. It was such a such a gravitas and 1309 01:01:45,200 --> 01:01:48,560 Speaker 2: such a presence when he spoke, and just his demeanor 1310 01:01:48,600 --> 01:01:51,160 Speaker 2: with the team and just everything. And even today, like 1311 01:01:51,960 --> 01:01:54,439 Speaker 2: you know, I think when you talk about not being 1312 01:01:54,440 --> 01:01:56,840 Speaker 2: able to play with someone but knowing what could have been, 1313 01:01:56,880 --> 01:01:58,800 Speaker 2: but you again, even today, you were like you look 1314 01:01:58,880 --> 01:02:01,520 Speaker 2: up and you know on him in that way, like 1315 01:02:03,000 --> 01:02:06,680 Speaker 2: how do you navigate what ifs in your career? I 1316 01:02:06,720 --> 01:02:09,560 Speaker 2: feel like that again, as an athlete is such a 1317 01:02:09,640 --> 01:02:12,560 Speaker 2: scale because there's so many what ifs, like what if 1318 01:02:12,600 --> 01:02:14,440 Speaker 2: I did that, played it that way, played with this, 1319 01:02:14,520 --> 01:02:16,560 Speaker 2: but like you know, and so talk us through that 1320 01:02:16,600 --> 01:02:18,680 Speaker 2: because I think even in life, like that's what your 1321 01:02:18,680 --> 01:02:22,360 Speaker 2: whole book about, just for everyone who's listening. Chris's whole 1322 01:02:22,360 --> 01:02:24,720 Speaker 2: book is about what his granddad tore him off the court, 1323 01:02:24,720 --> 01:02:26,560 Speaker 2: which applies on the court, and then on the court 1324 01:02:26,680 --> 01:02:28,760 Speaker 2: lessons that apply off the court, right, And there's this 1325 01:02:28,800 --> 01:02:30,920 Speaker 2: beautiful synergy. But I think there are so many people 1326 01:02:30,920 --> 01:02:33,840 Speaker 2: listening and watching right now who live their life and 1327 01:02:33,960 --> 01:02:37,400 Speaker 2: what ifs. Yep, And You've had a lot of what ifs. 1328 01:02:37,440 --> 01:02:39,160 Speaker 2: That's the big one you call out in the book. 1329 01:02:39,280 --> 01:02:41,640 Speaker 2: How do you breathe and live through that? 1330 01:02:41,760 --> 01:02:42,120 Speaker 4: You know what? 1331 01:02:42,200 --> 01:02:44,520 Speaker 1: It's twenty four chapters in my book. You know what 1332 01:02:44,560 --> 01:02:46,640 Speaker 1: I mean as a tribute to Kobe, You know what 1333 01:02:46,680 --> 01:02:49,120 Speaker 1: I mean. And I was actually on the phone with 1334 01:02:49,120 --> 01:02:52,400 Speaker 1: Adam Silver yesterday and I brought up a Kobe quote 1335 01:02:52,400 --> 01:02:54,520 Speaker 1: talking to him, and I actually talked to Vanessa every 1336 01:02:54,560 --> 01:02:57,920 Speaker 1: now and then too. That's probably one of the coolest, 1337 01:02:58,520 --> 01:03:01,320 Speaker 1: if not the best award that I've gotten since I've 1338 01:03:01,320 --> 01:03:05,160 Speaker 1: been in the NBA. Was a year before last they 1339 01:03:05,200 --> 01:03:07,760 Speaker 1: started a Kobe and GG Award and I was able 1340 01:03:07,800 --> 01:03:11,480 Speaker 1: to get the first one that they did. And so 1341 01:03:12,000 --> 01:03:15,640 Speaker 1: Cod was just different, right, and the way he approached things, 1342 01:03:15,680 --> 01:03:18,160 Speaker 1: but the way we competed against each other. And I 1343 01:03:18,200 --> 01:03:20,160 Speaker 1: think in the book, what I keep talking about when 1344 01:03:20,240 --> 01:03:25,720 Speaker 1: you say the what ifs, right, I always say, if 1345 01:03:25,760 --> 01:03:27,600 Speaker 1: there was one thing that I could change, in my 1346 01:03:27,800 --> 01:03:31,040 Speaker 1: entire career. It wouldn't be wins and losses. It would 1347 01:03:31,080 --> 01:03:35,160 Speaker 1: be how I rehabbed after my very first surgery. 1348 01:03:36,200 --> 01:03:36,360 Speaker 4: Right. 1349 01:03:36,400 --> 01:03:38,600 Speaker 1: So, I had surgery on my moniscus back in two 1350 01:03:38,600 --> 01:03:42,040 Speaker 1: thousand and nine, right, and I was so young and 1351 01:03:42,080 --> 01:03:44,800 Speaker 1: nine twenty ten, and I was so young at the 1352 01:03:44,880 --> 01:03:49,160 Speaker 1: time that it was like, all right, they did the. 1353 01:03:49,120 --> 01:03:51,200 Speaker 4: Surgery, Okay, I'm gonna be fine. 1354 01:03:51,840 --> 01:03:54,600 Speaker 1: Right, didn't really take rehab that series because I was 1355 01:03:54,640 --> 01:03:56,440 Speaker 1: just so young. It was like, Okay, they fixed it, 1356 01:03:56,440 --> 01:03:59,760 Speaker 1: I'm gonna be fine. But because of that, I've had 1357 01:03:59,760 --> 01:04:03,200 Speaker 1: so many different things over my career, different hamstring things 1358 01:04:03,280 --> 01:04:07,640 Speaker 1: or whatnot. And me and my agent was talking about 1359 01:04:07,680 --> 01:04:10,920 Speaker 1: it the other day, but sort of the story of 1360 01:04:10,960 --> 01:04:15,920 Speaker 1: my career has been the different situations that have happened 1361 01:04:15,920 --> 01:04:18,440 Speaker 1: over my career how I've learned from them. 1362 01:04:18,560 --> 01:04:18,840 Speaker 4: Right. 1363 01:04:18,960 --> 01:04:23,000 Speaker 1: So, an injury that I had, right, it taught me something, 1364 01:04:23,160 --> 01:04:25,000 Speaker 1: and I was like, Okay, I'm gonna figure out how 1365 01:04:25,600 --> 01:04:28,560 Speaker 1: how it's gonna make me better. Right I get traded 1366 01:04:28,840 --> 01:04:31,840 Speaker 1: or whatnot. Okay, they feel like I ain't performing well enough, 1367 01:04:31,960 --> 01:04:33,080 Speaker 1: I'm not playing enough games. 1368 01:04:33,120 --> 01:04:34,360 Speaker 4: Houses gonna make me better? 1369 01:04:34,560 --> 01:04:38,760 Speaker 1: So every time something has happened, right, you know, I 1370 01:04:38,760 --> 01:04:42,400 Speaker 1: gotta talk about in the book. The craziest thing, probably 1371 01:04:42,640 --> 01:04:44,760 Speaker 1: one of the crazy things in my career, was that 1372 01:04:44,880 --> 01:04:48,120 Speaker 1: injury in Houston when I got hurt and we were 1373 01:04:49,200 --> 01:04:51,880 Speaker 1: a game away from going to the NBA Finals. 1374 01:04:52,440 --> 01:04:52,800 Speaker 4: And so. 1375 01:04:54,320 --> 01:04:57,400 Speaker 1: Had that not happened, had I not hurt my hamstring 1376 01:04:58,440 --> 01:05:00,560 Speaker 1: that year and then heard it again next year, I 1377 01:05:00,560 --> 01:05:02,240 Speaker 1: don't think I still would be playing in the league 1378 01:05:02,320 --> 01:05:05,360 Speaker 1: right now. Because all of that stuff was a wake 1379 01:05:05,440 --> 01:05:06,880 Speaker 1: up call to me. It was like I got to 1380 01:05:06,960 --> 01:05:09,320 Speaker 1: change something. I got to change something, I got to 1381 01:05:09,320 --> 01:05:14,600 Speaker 1: figure this out. And once all that stuff happens, all right. 1382 01:05:14,640 --> 01:05:16,560 Speaker 1: So if you if you if you sit around and 1383 01:05:16,600 --> 01:05:18,400 Speaker 1: I'll tell you this, if you sit around and dwell 1384 01:05:18,440 --> 01:05:21,320 Speaker 1: on that, what if too long somebody gonna pass you by? 1385 01:05:22,080 --> 01:05:23,720 Speaker 1: You know, So if you're sitting over there trying and 1386 01:05:23,760 --> 01:05:26,600 Speaker 1: figure out, what if somebody else over here gonna take 1387 01:05:26,640 --> 01:05:27,040 Speaker 1: your job? 1388 01:05:28,160 --> 01:05:32,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, definitely. And that's and I love that idea. 1389 01:05:32,080 --> 01:05:34,680 Speaker 2: If this happened, what can I do better? This happened? 1390 01:05:34,680 --> 01:05:35,439 Speaker 3: What can I do better? 1391 01:05:35,480 --> 01:05:41,040 Speaker 2: That That mentality is like continuous improvement and rededication as opposed. 1392 01:05:40,640 --> 01:05:43,680 Speaker 1: To exactly instead of what if it might be, what's next. 1393 01:05:44,160 --> 01:05:47,200 Speaker 1: You know what I mean, because yeah, you can sit 1394 01:05:47,240 --> 01:05:49,440 Speaker 1: back and chill and me and Cob every now and 1395 01:05:49,440 --> 01:05:51,680 Speaker 1: then be like, man, we play together, we play together. 1396 01:05:51,840 --> 01:05:55,919 Speaker 1: Yeah whatnot? But everybody can't do it. But I can 1397 01:05:56,120 --> 01:05:58,760 Speaker 1: compartmentalize that. I can talk about this what if. But 1398 01:05:58,800 --> 01:06:01,680 Speaker 1: I'm still you know, I still got my eye on 1399 01:06:01,760 --> 01:06:03,120 Speaker 1: what's what the goal is. 1400 01:06:03,240 --> 01:06:05,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I think I think a lot of us 1401 01:06:05,080 --> 01:06:07,760 Speaker 2: live in what if, but we all have to learn 1402 01:06:07,840 --> 01:06:10,400 Speaker 2: to live in what is and then what's next, as 1403 01:06:10,440 --> 01:06:12,840 Speaker 2: you said, because that that's what we have. 1404 01:06:13,160 --> 01:06:13,360 Speaker 4: Yep. 1405 01:06:13,840 --> 01:06:15,440 Speaker 3: And I love hearing that. It's great. 1406 01:06:15,560 --> 01:06:18,439 Speaker 2: But what I appreciate is it's a nuance. It's really 1407 01:06:18,440 --> 01:06:20,040 Speaker 2: subtle what you just said there, And I want people 1408 01:06:20,080 --> 01:06:22,600 Speaker 2: to appreciate it because what you're saying is I can 1409 01:06:22,680 --> 01:06:26,200 Speaker 2: feel this way, I can compartmentalize it, and I can 1410 01:06:26,280 --> 01:06:30,160 Speaker 2: move on. And I think that's super healthy because I 1411 01:06:30,160 --> 01:06:32,200 Speaker 2: think a lot of us pretend like we don't have 1412 01:06:32,280 --> 01:06:34,440 Speaker 2: what ifs, right Like it's easy to and I love 1413 01:06:34,480 --> 01:06:35,840 Speaker 2: what you just what we do injury, it's a lot. 1414 01:06:35,880 --> 01:06:38,000 Speaker 2: It's very easy to walk up like I've got no regrets. 1415 01:06:38,240 --> 01:06:40,440 Speaker 2: I know what ifs in my life. But the truth 1416 01:06:40,520 --> 01:06:43,080 Speaker 2: is we all have them, and if you don't address them, 1417 01:06:43,120 --> 01:06:46,280 Speaker 2: they're going to come up somewhere exactly, but you're saying, no, 1418 01:06:46,400 --> 01:06:49,120 Speaker 2: you have it, compartmentalize it, and then focus on one. 1419 01:06:49,200 --> 01:06:52,320 Speaker 1: Next you're going to be sitting around telling them high 1420 01:06:52,320 --> 01:06:54,800 Speaker 1: school stories or whatnot that don't nobody care about. 1421 01:06:54,840 --> 01:06:55,160 Speaker 4: No more. 1422 01:06:56,280 --> 01:06:58,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, and that and that happens to all of us. 1423 01:06:58,200 --> 01:07:03,040 Speaker 2: We can all live in nostalgia and walk down memory lane. Chris, 1424 01:07:03,040 --> 01:07:05,320 Speaker 2: this has been such an honor to say with you. 1425 01:07:05,400 --> 01:07:08,160 Speaker 2: Is there something that I haven't asked you, something that's 1426 01:07:08,160 --> 01:07:09,600 Speaker 2: in your heart and mind right now? 1427 01:07:10,160 --> 01:07:10,400 Speaker 3: Before? 1428 01:07:10,400 --> 01:07:12,680 Speaker 2: I have a couple more questions, but is there anything 1429 01:07:12,720 --> 01:07:14,880 Speaker 2: that I haven't asked you, something that's in your heart 1430 01:07:14,880 --> 01:07:16,439 Speaker 2: and mind right now that you really want to share 1431 01:07:16,520 --> 01:07:18,360 Speaker 2: that you feel like I haven't touched on. 1432 01:07:18,760 --> 01:07:22,520 Speaker 1: No, just the appreciation for this and being able to 1433 01:07:22,560 --> 01:07:25,240 Speaker 1: talk and tell my story through the book, and I 1434 01:07:25,280 --> 01:07:28,440 Speaker 1: hope people can really feel. 1435 01:07:27,560 --> 01:07:29,600 Speaker 4: That it was really about that. 1436 01:07:29,680 --> 01:07:32,520 Speaker 1: It was about letting people understand and know about me 1437 01:07:32,960 --> 01:07:36,320 Speaker 1: and make sure that people understand that, Look, my family, 1438 01:07:36,360 --> 01:07:40,640 Speaker 1: like anybody else, has got their issues. Everybody isn't all 1439 01:07:40,800 --> 01:07:43,960 Speaker 1: like loving and all this stuff on each other at 1440 01:07:43,960 --> 01:07:46,480 Speaker 1: all times. I mean extended family or whatnot. But at 1441 01:07:46,520 --> 01:07:48,680 Speaker 1: the end of the day, it's my family, you know. 1442 01:07:48,880 --> 01:07:52,200 Speaker 1: And as long as you, you know, try to work 1443 01:07:52,240 --> 01:07:56,360 Speaker 1: through different things with you and yours, I promise you, 1444 01:07:56,360 --> 01:07:57,440 Speaker 1: you know, you'll appreciate it. 1445 01:07:57,480 --> 01:07:57,760 Speaker 4: And there. 1446 01:07:58,160 --> 01:07:59,919 Speaker 3: Yeah, I love that. Well, Chris. 1447 01:08:00,080 --> 01:08:02,919 Speaker 2: The end every on Purpose episode with a final five 1448 01:08:03,760 --> 01:08:06,000 Speaker 2: and these ones have to be answered in one word 1449 01:08:06,040 --> 01:08:09,760 Speaker 2: to one sentence maximum. But I always change the rules, 1450 01:08:09,760 --> 01:08:15,600 Speaker 2: so we'll try. Chris, what's the best advice? And I'm 1451 01:08:15,640 --> 01:08:17,720 Speaker 2: guessing it's going to be from Grandpa, But what's the 1452 01:08:17,760 --> 01:08:20,040 Speaker 2: best advice you've ever heard or received? 1453 01:08:20,840 --> 01:08:24,800 Speaker 1: Never delayed gratitude? I was actually from my college coach skript. 1454 01:08:24,520 --> 01:08:27,280 Speaker 3: Process walk us through that. Actually I want to hear them. 1455 01:08:27,560 --> 01:08:31,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, never delayed gratitude, and that means, you know, if 1456 01:08:31,360 --> 01:08:34,559 Speaker 1: you're grateful or thankful for anything, be sure and tell people, 1457 01:08:35,080 --> 01:08:37,479 Speaker 1: you know, be sure and tell people like I don't 1458 01:08:37,479 --> 01:08:39,880 Speaker 1: care where I'm at, what's going on. Whenever I get 1459 01:08:39,880 --> 01:08:42,200 Speaker 1: off the phone with my parents, my wife, my kids, 1460 01:08:42,240 --> 01:08:44,520 Speaker 1: or whatnot, it's always I love you. 1461 01:08:44,520 --> 01:08:45,360 Speaker 4: You know those. 1462 01:08:45,320 --> 01:08:48,200 Speaker 1: Times when you say you're going to tell somebody something 1463 01:08:48,240 --> 01:08:50,320 Speaker 1: in the morning or something like that, like you just 1464 01:08:50,479 --> 01:08:53,800 Speaker 1: never you absolutely never know what's going to happen. 1465 01:08:53,840 --> 01:08:55,320 Speaker 4: So never delayed gratitude. 1466 01:08:55,439 --> 01:08:57,080 Speaker 2: And that was a coach you said that to you, 1467 01:08:57,160 --> 01:08:59,880 Speaker 2: How did how did that apply to sport? And how 1468 01:09:00,200 --> 01:09:02,280 Speaker 2: why did he introduce because that's so interesting to get 1469 01:09:02,320 --> 01:09:04,559 Speaker 2: from a like a basketball coach. 1470 01:09:04,680 --> 01:09:06,840 Speaker 4: Yeah, so I talk about coach process a lot yees. 1471 01:09:07,080 --> 01:09:10,280 Speaker 1: Because he's one of the three most influential men in 1472 01:09:10,320 --> 01:09:13,280 Speaker 1: my life. And he just had all of these sayings, right, 1473 01:09:13,360 --> 01:09:16,240 Speaker 1: never delay gratitude. If you can't be on time, be early. 1474 01:09:17,160 --> 01:09:19,080 Speaker 1: Don't be a two to four guy, be a four 1475 01:09:19,120 --> 01:09:22,040 Speaker 1: to two guy. And it was just all these different things. 1476 01:09:22,160 --> 01:09:26,000 Speaker 1: And the reason that never delayed gratitude thing how it 1477 01:09:26,120 --> 01:09:30,599 Speaker 1: related to sports, was it's hard to win a game, right, 1478 01:09:31,000 --> 01:09:34,360 Speaker 1: It's hard to win one game, let alone make. 1479 01:09:34,200 --> 01:09:35,080 Speaker 4: It to the playoffs. 1480 01:09:35,080 --> 01:09:37,000 Speaker 1: Like I coached the other night when we clinched to 1481 01:09:37,000 --> 01:09:39,240 Speaker 1: make it to the playoffs. In the locker room, he 1482 01:09:39,400 --> 01:09:42,920 Speaker 1: just told everybody, he said, listen, I'm grateful for you guys. 1483 01:09:43,360 --> 01:09:45,000 Speaker 4: We always talk about gratitude. 1484 01:09:45,080 --> 01:09:47,280 Speaker 1: It's a lot of teams that's going home and going 1485 01:09:47,320 --> 01:09:50,360 Speaker 1: on vacation, but you know, don't take it for granted 1486 01:09:50,439 --> 01:09:52,200 Speaker 1: that you get a chance to play in the playoffs. 1487 01:09:52,400 --> 01:09:54,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's awesome, man, I love that, and I think 1488 01:09:54,320 --> 01:09:56,840 Speaker 2: a lot of young athletes are listening. If you have 1489 01:09:56,960 --> 01:09:59,639 Speaker 2: kids who a young athlete like, that's great advice because 1490 01:10:00,040 --> 01:10:03,680 Speaker 2: often that kind of softer touch is missed, like you 1491 01:10:03,680 --> 01:10:04,400 Speaker 2: don't think it's there. 1492 01:10:04,520 --> 01:10:04,720 Speaker 4: Yeah. 1493 01:10:04,920 --> 01:10:07,559 Speaker 1: But when I say never delay gratitude also mean for 1494 01:10:07,680 --> 01:10:10,000 Speaker 1: like kids to your parents. Like when I'm at my 1495 01:10:10,040 --> 01:10:12,960 Speaker 1: basketball camps, I always make all the kids stand up 1496 01:10:13,000 --> 01:10:15,439 Speaker 1: and turn around and tell their parents thanks because, like 1497 01:10:15,479 --> 01:10:17,599 Speaker 1: I said in the book, my dad spent his entire 1498 01:10:17,640 --> 01:10:20,400 Speaker 1: four one k on me and my brother playing travel basketball. 1499 01:10:20,760 --> 01:10:23,080 Speaker 1: So that's where these kids they get to go do 1500 01:10:23,200 --> 01:10:25,120 Speaker 1: all these camps and all this stuff. 1501 01:10:25,160 --> 01:10:28,200 Speaker 4: And don't delay gratitude. Tell your parents thank you, because 1502 01:10:28,200 --> 01:10:30,040 Speaker 4: every kid is not getting that opportunity. 1503 01:10:30,200 --> 01:10:31,840 Speaker 2: Yeah. Actually I want to I want to take a 1504 01:10:31,880 --> 01:10:33,680 Speaker 2: side note on that because one of the things I 1505 01:10:33,680 --> 01:10:35,599 Speaker 2: was blown away by in your journey is just how 1506 01:10:35,680 --> 01:10:38,960 Speaker 2: much purpose and giving back in service is such a 1507 01:10:39,000 --> 01:10:42,160 Speaker 2: big part of how your your foundation, the way it's 1508 01:10:42,160 --> 01:10:45,760 Speaker 2: set up your when you walk through the you know, 1509 01:10:45,880 --> 01:10:48,479 Speaker 2: the the murder of and the death of George Floyd 1510 01:10:48,560 --> 01:10:51,439 Speaker 2: and Black Lives Matter, and then how you're dealing with 1511 01:10:51,479 --> 01:10:53,120 Speaker 2: it in the bubble, and of course with your role 1512 01:10:53,160 --> 01:10:54,800 Speaker 2: at the time, and you talk about how like you 1513 01:10:55,000 --> 01:10:59,640 Speaker 2: changed the messaging three times. They went from peace, yeah, 1514 01:11:00,200 --> 01:11:01,080 Speaker 2: I forgot with the other. 1515 01:11:00,920 --> 01:11:03,280 Speaker 4: One say their name, yes, say I think it was equality? 1516 01:11:03,360 --> 01:11:06,639 Speaker 2: Equality yeah correct, yeah, yeah exactly, and you shift through it. 1517 01:11:07,240 --> 01:11:09,760 Speaker 2: And I was just thinking, like, there's just so much 1518 01:11:10,000 --> 01:11:12,320 Speaker 2: intention in your life with all the work that you've 1519 01:11:12,360 --> 01:11:16,719 Speaker 2: chosen to do. What's been kind of like a meaningful 1520 01:11:16,840 --> 01:11:19,600 Speaker 2: fruit or result that you've seen that as Really. 1521 01:11:20,080 --> 01:11:22,200 Speaker 1: It's a lot of different things, and I'm fortunate to 1522 01:11:22,280 --> 01:11:24,679 Speaker 1: have an amazing team that works with me or whatnot, 1523 01:11:24,720 --> 01:11:28,000 Speaker 1: because obviously I'm dealing with a lot of different things 1524 01:11:28,040 --> 01:11:30,519 Speaker 1: on a given day and trying to be the best 1525 01:11:30,640 --> 01:11:36,240 Speaker 1: athlete that I can be. But they're constantly bringing different things, saying, hey, 1526 01:11:36,400 --> 01:11:38,559 Speaker 1: would you like to support this or could you do this? 1527 01:11:38,720 --> 01:11:42,360 Speaker 1: And I'm always trying to as much as I can. 1528 01:11:42,520 --> 01:11:44,360 Speaker 1: And I think the most valuable thing that I have 1529 01:11:44,479 --> 01:11:47,600 Speaker 1: is time. So even if it's before a game or 1530 01:11:47,680 --> 01:11:51,280 Speaker 1: after a game, given a young kid an opportunity to 1531 01:11:51,320 --> 01:11:53,400 Speaker 1: watch me warm up or taking a picture with him 1532 01:11:53,439 --> 01:11:57,280 Speaker 1: and just giving them your undivided attention for five minutes 1533 01:11:57,400 --> 01:11:59,240 Speaker 1: is one of the most valuable things that you can 1534 01:11:59,280 --> 01:12:00,000 Speaker 1: do with anybody. 1535 01:12:00,280 --> 01:12:00,679 Speaker 4: Yeah. 1536 01:12:00,720 --> 01:12:02,680 Speaker 2: Absolutely, And I just I want to read this out 1537 01:12:02,720 --> 01:12:05,599 Speaker 2: because it's so it's so powerful. So last March, Chris 1538 01:12:05,680 --> 01:12:09,240 Speaker 2: was the only athlete appointed to President Biden's Advisory Board 1539 01:12:09,560 --> 01:12:13,960 Speaker 2: on Historically Black Colleges and Universities. And that's been I 1540 01:12:13,960 --> 01:12:17,720 Speaker 2: mean that, that's incredible that you've become a spokesperson and 1541 01:12:17,760 --> 01:12:20,400 Speaker 2: a champion for that. Is there some of the work 1542 01:12:20,439 --> 01:12:23,360 Speaker 2: there that's resonated or some stories that you think, oh man, 1543 01:12:24,479 --> 01:12:27,439 Speaker 2: it's probably so many. Yeah, I mean, well we got 1544 01:12:27,479 --> 01:12:30,640 Speaker 2: a lot of different things. What we've done is me 1545 01:12:30,680 --> 01:12:32,679 Speaker 2: and my brother a few years ago and then Carmen 1546 01:12:32,720 --> 01:12:35,400 Speaker 2: actually did it too. We went to this business class 1547 01:12:35,400 --> 01:12:41,280 Speaker 2: at Harvard with Anita Elbers, a bim's class Business Education, 1548 01:12:42,600 --> 01:12:47,200 Speaker 2: Management Sports I think. And after going to that class 1549 01:12:47,200 --> 01:12:52,080 Speaker 2: at Harvard, we were like, why isn't this curriculum of 1550 01:12:52,200 --> 01:12:57,360 Speaker 2: course offered at HBCUs. And we got to work and 1551 01:12:57,479 --> 01:13:00,400 Speaker 2: Anita helped with it, and now we have that had 1552 01:13:00,400 --> 01:13:04,800 Speaker 2: a few different hbcusow right, So just always trying to 1553 01:13:05,000 --> 01:13:07,280 Speaker 2: figure out how we can make some type of impact. 1554 01:13:07,479 --> 01:13:12,360 Speaker 2: Equality again exactly equal as equal access to education, it's incredible. 1555 01:13:12,360 --> 01:13:13,479 Speaker 3: I'm glad. I'm glad we went there. 1556 01:13:13,479 --> 01:13:17,040 Speaker 2: Actually, Second question, what is the worst advice you've ever 1557 01:13:17,080 --> 01:13:17,879 Speaker 2: heard or received? 1558 01:13:18,200 --> 01:13:23,600 Speaker 4: Worst advice? That cheese tastes good Jesus disgusting. 1559 01:13:24,560 --> 01:13:28,400 Speaker 1: Like, seriously, I've never had a cheeseburger, macaroni and cheese, 1560 01:13:29,240 --> 01:13:30,800 Speaker 1: none of that disgusting. 1561 01:13:31,400 --> 01:13:37,679 Speaker 2: I thought, you do my cheeses and money. Literally yeah, literal, yeah, literal, Okay, literally, 1562 01:13:37,720 --> 01:13:38,200 Speaker 2: So you don't like. 1563 01:13:38,240 --> 01:13:42,080 Speaker 4: Cheese at all at all? No evenrom pizza, no, no, no, no, 1564 01:13:42,240 --> 01:13:47,240 Speaker 4: I'm cool. No cheesy fries. Okay. My brother when we 1565 01:13:47,320 --> 01:13:49,640 Speaker 4: used to get home from school, he used to go 1566 01:13:49,720 --> 01:13:52,800 Speaker 4: in the refrigerator and get the block of cheese. What 1567 01:13:52,920 --> 01:13:54,720 Speaker 4: is that? 1568 01:13:54,720 --> 01:13:56,760 Speaker 2: That string cheese? Kind of like I think I know way. 1569 01:13:56,680 --> 01:13:58,400 Speaker 4: Too, I don't know. He used to have to take 1570 01:13:58,439 --> 01:14:01,840 Speaker 4: plastic off the saturday. Yeah, I'm doing that. Put muc 1571 01:14:01,880 --> 01:14:02,960 Speaker 4: it's all in his body. 1572 01:14:03,000 --> 01:14:07,080 Speaker 2: And now, oh so question number three, how would you 1573 01:14:07,160 --> 01:14:09,000 Speaker 2: define your current purpose? 1574 01:14:09,760 --> 01:14:13,280 Speaker 1: You know, basketball and athlete, that's what I do, not 1575 01:14:13,320 --> 01:14:17,799 Speaker 1: necessarily all of who I am, but just trying to 1576 01:14:17,840 --> 01:14:22,240 Speaker 1: help make a difference in different aspects of life, whether 1577 01:14:22,280 --> 01:14:24,920 Speaker 1: it be HBCUs, whether it be health and wellness, I 1578 01:14:24,960 --> 01:14:27,360 Speaker 1: think that's been a big thing that I've become passionate 1579 01:14:27,360 --> 01:14:30,240 Speaker 1: about the past four or five years, is trying to 1580 01:14:30,280 --> 01:14:34,560 Speaker 1: figure out how to make some of these health things 1581 01:14:35,080 --> 01:14:39,000 Speaker 1: more accessible, right, and make people more aware, like I'm 1582 01:14:39,000 --> 01:14:41,759 Speaker 1: always curious about this. 1583 01:14:43,320 --> 01:14:44,439 Speaker 4: That, whatever it may be. 1584 01:14:44,600 --> 01:14:48,160 Speaker 1: I'm so curious about water and the things that people 1585 01:14:48,200 --> 01:14:51,200 Speaker 1: are eating and all these different type things, and trying 1586 01:14:51,240 --> 01:14:53,160 Speaker 1: to make sure that other people become. 1587 01:14:52,920 --> 01:14:53,960 Speaker 4: Aware like I am. 1588 01:14:54,080 --> 01:14:58,240 Speaker 1: And the other biggest purpose is whatever I have to 1589 01:14:58,280 --> 01:15:01,720 Speaker 1: do for my family, whatever I have to do do 1590 01:15:01,840 --> 01:15:04,200 Speaker 1: for my family, especially my wife and kids. Is just 1591 01:15:04,240 --> 01:15:06,960 Speaker 1: trying to figure out how I can continue to pour 1592 01:15:07,000 --> 01:15:07,679 Speaker 1: into them. 1593 01:15:07,960 --> 01:15:12,240 Speaker 2: Question of before what's your reaction to the title point God? 1594 01:15:12,520 --> 01:15:16,639 Speaker 4: Oh man, the point god thing has been. 1595 01:15:17,880 --> 01:15:19,840 Speaker 1: It's crazy. I don't even know when it started. I 1596 01:15:19,880 --> 01:15:24,439 Speaker 1: don't even know when it started. But it's a privilege, right, 1597 01:15:24,640 --> 01:15:29,160 Speaker 1: like an honor basically that people see you playing. 1598 01:15:28,920 --> 01:15:30,240 Speaker 4: The game the right way. Now. 1599 01:15:30,280 --> 01:15:34,640 Speaker 1: It ain't some like worshiping thing or whatnot, but I 1600 01:15:34,680 --> 01:15:37,000 Speaker 1: get really like kind of shying back for when people 1601 01:15:37,080 --> 01:15:40,519 Speaker 1: say that or whatnot. But it's it's cool to be 1602 01:15:41,479 --> 01:15:45,240 Speaker 1: even in that consideration and playing for as long as 1603 01:15:45,240 --> 01:15:45,839 Speaker 1: I played. 1604 01:15:46,840 --> 01:15:49,920 Speaker 2: Fifth and final question, if you could create riositas to 1605 01:15:49,960 --> 01:15:52,160 Speaker 2: every guest who's ever been on the show, if you 1606 01:15:52,200 --> 01:15:55,320 Speaker 2: could create one law that everyone in the world had 1607 01:15:55,320 --> 01:15:56,879 Speaker 2: to follow, what would. 1608 01:15:56,720 --> 01:16:02,680 Speaker 4: It be one all everybody in the world, in the 1609 01:16:02,680 --> 01:16:03,479 Speaker 4: world had to follow. 1610 01:16:03,520 --> 01:16:03,920 Speaker 3: What would it be? 1611 01:16:04,000 --> 01:16:07,160 Speaker 1: And take you to Oh that everybody got to get 1612 01:16:07,160 --> 01:16:09,240 Speaker 1: them guns up, man, everybody. 1613 01:16:09,400 --> 01:16:13,440 Speaker 4: Everybody come turn them in. Everybody, come turn them in. Everybody. 1614 01:16:14,000 --> 01:16:16,080 Speaker 4: So we got some beef for something like that, or 1615 01:16:16,120 --> 01:16:18,880 Speaker 4: somebody got to do something. You got to fight it out. 1616 01:16:19,200 --> 01:16:21,360 Speaker 4: You got to fight it out. Oh no, that was 1617 01:16:21,360 --> 01:16:22,280 Speaker 4: the first thing. 1618 01:16:22,640 --> 01:16:23,960 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's awesome. 1619 01:16:24,120 --> 01:16:27,880 Speaker 2: Thank you, Chris, Paul everyone Chris incredible memoir sixty one. 1620 01:16:27,880 --> 01:16:29,519 Speaker 2: Make sure you grab it. We're gonna put the link 1621 01:16:29,560 --> 01:16:32,000 Speaker 2: and the comments and the captions across the board. I 1622 01:16:32,040 --> 01:16:34,040 Speaker 2: wanted to go read this book. If you're already a 1623 01:16:34,040 --> 01:16:36,759 Speaker 2: fan of Chris, you're gonna love it. If you're learning 1624 01:16:36,800 --> 01:16:39,240 Speaker 2: about Chris through this, you're gonna love it even more 1625 01:16:39,320 --> 01:16:43,440 Speaker 2: because it's it's truly a remarkable story of love, of sacrifice, 1626 01:16:43,479 --> 01:16:48,519 Speaker 2: of connection, of generations passing on beautiful lessons. You've got 1627 01:16:48,520 --> 01:16:51,040 Speaker 2: like four or five generations in the book being talked about. 1628 01:16:51,080 --> 01:16:52,960 Speaker 2: So I hope you go and grab a copy of 1629 01:16:53,000 --> 01:16:55,639 Speaker 2: sixty one. Chris Paul. It's been a pleasure. And honestly, 1630 01:16:56,560 --> 01:16:59,800 Speaker 2: you're you're you're a real one man. This is like 1631 01:17:00,040 --> 01:17:02,719 Speaker 2: this has been one of my favorite interviews. Honestly because 1632 01:17:02,720 --> 01:17:04,960 Speaker 2: you're so present. When I was sitting with your book, 1633 01:17:05,000 --> 01:17:07,000 Speaker 2: it felt that way. And to sit with you and 1634 01:17:07,120 --> 01:17:09,600 Speaker 2: to what you thinking and to what you visualize it 1635 01:17:09,640 --> 01:17:11,960 Speaker 2: and to what you telling it from memory, and then 1636 01:17:12,000 --> 01:17:14,120 Speaker 2: for you to share that story about finding that tape 1637 01:17:14,360 --> 01:17:17,080 Speaker 2: or your father finding that tape, I mean, just really 1638 01:17:17,080 --> 01:17:17,599 Speaker 2: grateful man. 1639 01:17:17,640 --> 01:17:18,120 Speaker 3: Thank you for this. 1640 01:17:18,360 --> 01:17:20,639 Speaker 4: I appreciate you. Jay, thank you, thank you, thank you man. 1641 01:17:20,760 --> 01:17:24,200 Speaker 2: If you love this episode, you'll love my interview with 1642 01:17:24,320 --> 01:17:28,320 Speaker 2: Kobe Bryant on how to be strategic and obsessive to 1643 01:17:28,400 --> 01:17:29,320 Speaker 2: find your purpose. 1644 01:17:29,640 --> 01:17:33,160 Speaker 4: Our children have become less imaginative about how to problem 1645 01:17:33,240 --> 01:17:36,439 Speaker 4: solve in parents and coaches have become more directive and 1646 01:17:36,479 --> 01:17:38,519 Speaker 4: trying to tell them how to behave orsus teaching them 1647 01:17:38,560 --> 01:17:39,080 Speaker 4: how to behave