1 00:00:00,840 --> 00:00:05,920 Speaker 1: Welcome to Fitness Disrupted, a production of My Heart Radio. 2 00:00:11,800 --> 00:00:17,880 Speaker 1: I am Tom Holland and this is Fitness Disrupted sprinted 3 00:00:18,079 --> 00:00:24,480 Speaker 1: into the studio today. So excited to do this podcast, Sprinton. 4 00:00:24,960 --> 00:00:27,320 Speaker 1: Pretty much every day it's still at fifty two. I 5 00:00:27,360 --> 00:00:30,760 Speaker 1: still run upstairs and I run up the stairs one 6 00:00:31,120 --> 00:00:36,360 Speaker 1: two flights to my studio because I love this job, 7 00:00:36,960 --> 00:00:40,080 Speaker 1: all aspects of it, especially the podcast. I have so 8 00:00:40,159 --> 00:00:44,640 Speaker 1: much just control over this podcast, and that is everything 9 00:00:44,680 --> 00:00:49,360 Speaker 1: when it comes to bringing you the best information. I 10 00:00:49,360 --> 00:00:53,080 Speaker 1: don't have anyone telling me what to talk about and 11 00:00:53,320 --> 00:01:00,000 Speaker 1: what topics to cover, and that's huge, that's big. That freedom, 12 00:01:00,120 --> 00:01:05,240 Speaker 1: that autonomy is everything in this industry. And I just 13 00:01:05,280 --> 00:01:10,920 Speaker 1: got finished reading like an amazing book. I abuse those terms. 14 00:01:10,959 --> 00:01:15,440 Speaker 1: I realized, even social media post everything amazing, incredible. You know, 15 00:01:16,680 --> 00:01:19,240 Speaker 1: those are the words I use, and when I use them, 16 00:01:19,280 --> 00:01:22,960 Speaker 1: I mean them. And there's other adjectives, but I like 17 00:01:23,080 --> 00:01:27,280 Speaker 1: to keep it simple. It's an amazing book. Susan Pierce Thompson, 18 00:01:27,920 --> 00:01:33,400 Speaker 1: Dr Thompson. I'm pitched so many people now and products 19 00:01:33,680 --> 00:01:37,720 Speaker 1: and programs to be on the show, and Dr Thompson 20 00:01:37,800 --> 00:01:42,760 Speaker 1: is the first one truly in this realm of I'd argue, 21 00:01:43,680 --> 00:01:48,760 Speaker 1: you know, psychology, nutrition, everything, weight loss, weight change, and 22 00:01:48,840 --> 00:01:53,600 Speaker 1: it's different. And as I read the book, there were 23 00:01:53,600 --> 00:01:56,560 Speaker 1: red flags that went up for me and then they 24 00:01:56,560 --> 00:02:01,360 Speaker 1: went down. So this book is an out about excessive moderation, 25 00:02:01,920 --> 00:02:05,960 Speaker 1: not at its core, but there's an openness to that. 26 00:02:06,800 --> 00:02:10,240 Speaker 1: But my point is this, this is different in a 27 00:02:10,240 --> 00:02:13,400 Speaker 1: good way. Right. The econoclass in the health and wellness 28 00:02:13,400 --> 00:02:17,000 Speaker 1: industry are often a conoclass just to get clicks, just 29 00:02:17,120 --> 00:02:23,760 Speaker 1: to sell bogus non scientific programs, products and people. But 30 00:02:23,880 --> 00:02:28,959 Speaker 1: this is different. But it's based in science, so you go. 31 00:02:30,240 --> 00:02:33,560 Speaker 1: As I was reading this book, I thought, and I'll 32 00:02:33,560 --> 00:02:35,880 Speaker 1: talk about this with her as well, because it was 33 00:02:35,919 --> 00:02:39,880 Speaker 1: like this epiphany in a weird way, that we talk 34 00:02:39,919 --> 00:02:44,680 Speaker 1: about bias, right, and that we all have our biases, right, 35 00:02:44,760 --> 00:02:47,160 Speaker 1: and my biases. I want to bring you the best information, 36 00:02:47,200 --> 00:02:50,800 Speaker 1: but I realized that I have a certain way of thinking, obviously, 37 00:02:52,680 --> 00:02:55,400 Speaker 1: but I try to be as open as possible to everything, 38 00:02:55,480 --> 00:02:58,480 Speaker 1: including reading this book. But what I want to read 39 00:02:58,680 --> 00:03:02,320 Speaker 1: from the smartest people is that we are thinking the 40 00:03:02,360 --> 00:03:04,320 Speaker 1: same thing, that we're reading the same studies, that we're 41 00:03:04,360 --> 00:03:06,560 Speaker 1: coming to the same conclusions. And an analogy would be 42 00:03:06,600 --> 00:03:10,359 Speaker 1: this if you have pain, right, if you needed surgery 43 00:03:10,520 --> 00:03:13,359 Speaker 1: and you go to five doctors, do you want them 44 00:03:13,400 --> 00:03:15,600 Speaker 1: all to have a different way of doing things or 45 00:03:15,720 --> 00:03:19,960 Speaker 1: a solution and diagnosis of your problem? Or do you 46 00:03:19,960 --> 00:03:24,000 Speaker 1: want consensus? Are you gonna go with the doctor who 47 00:03:24,080 --> 00:03:27,320 Speaker 1: is like way out there? Sometimes depends on your problem, 48 00:03:27,320 --> 00:03:31,000 Speaker 1: But you understand my point. You want the best of 49 00:03:31,040 --> 00:03:34,600 Speaker 1: the best to give you that same information, oftentimes in 50 00:03:34,639 --> 00:03:36,800 Speaker 1: a different way. But that's what I say to you 51 00:03:36,880 --> 00:03:39,920 Speaker 1: constantly on this podcast. You're gonna hear me go over 52 00:03:39,920 --> 00:03:41,839 Speaker 1: the same topics in the same way and talk about 53 00:03:41,880 --> 00:03:44,000 Speaker 1: what the same people. You know why, because that's what works, 54 00:03:45,320 --> 00:03:47,280 Speaker 1: that's what works, that's what the science is. And then 55 00:03:47,320 --> 00:03:49,280 Speaker 1: you have to figure out how you do that for yourself. 56 00:03:50,120 --> 00:03:53,160 Speaker 1: But when we talk about scientific principles, when it comes 57 00:03:53,200 --> 00:03:55,720 Speaker 1: to food and energy and strength training and I purchasing 58 00:03:55,800 --> 00:03:59,760 Speaker 1: all those things, you want consensus? You don't want that. Well, 59 00:04:00,600 --> 00:04:03,240 Speaker 1: I'll leave it at that. I could go on and 60 00:04:03,320 --> 00:04:08,440 Speaker 1: on and on. But my next guest, I I'm so excited. 61 00:04:09,080 --> 00:04:15,240 Speaker 1: I'm so excited. Who is my next guest? Well, let 62 00:04:15,240 --> 00:04:19,320 Speaker 1: me read her bio and it's short. I'm gonna let 63 00:04:19,360 --> 00:04:23,640 Speaker 1: her give you her story because it is amazing. But 64 00:04:23,839 --> 00:04:26,880 Speaker 1: Susan Pierce Thompson, pH d is the New York Times 65 00:04:26,880 --> 00:04:30,440 Speaker 1: best selling author of bright Line Eating and the official 66 00:04:30,480 --> 00:04:33,880 Speaker 1: bright Line Eating cookbook. She is an adjunct Associate Professor 67 00:04:34,360 --> 00:04:38,080 Speaker 1: of Brain and Cognitive Sciences at the University of Rochester 68 00:04:38,400 --> 00:04:41,039 Speaker 1: and an expert in the psychology of eating. She's the 69 00:04:41,080 --> 00:04:44,159 Speaker 1: president of the Institute for Sustainable Weight Loss and the 70 00:04:44,200 --> 00:04:46,799 Speaker 1: founder and CEO of bright Line Eating Solutions, a company 71 00:04:46,839 --> 00:04:50,880 Speaker 1: dedicated to helping people achieve long term sustainable weight loss. 72 00:04:51,160 --> 00:04:55,760 Speaker 1: You can visit her online at bright Line Eating dot com. 73 00:04:55,839 --> 00:04:59,799 Speaker 1: All right again, as I'm reading this book, I'm saying 74 00:05:00,200 --> 00:05:02,880 Speaker 1: certain things like I don't agree with when I was 75 00:05:02,920 --> 00:05:05,839 Speaker 1: open and I kept reading and I go, this doesn't 76 00:05:06,000 --> 00:05:10,120 Speaker 1: necessarily apply to me. And she talks about a scale, 77 00:05:10,680 --> 00:05:15,360 Speaker 1: a susceptibility scale. But there's such amazing information in here, 78 00:05:15,920 --> 00:05:18,200 Speaker 1: and these are the only people I bring to you, 79 00:05:18,960 --> 00:05:20,520 Speaker 1: and could not be more excited to have her. All 80 00:05:20,560 --> 00:05:23,400 Speaker 1: right enough talking, You're like, just come on, bring her 81 00:05:23,400 --> 00:05:28,240 Speaker 1: on quick break. We'll be right back with Dr Susan 82 00:05:28,960 --> 00:05:44,679 Speaker 1: Pierce Thompson, and we are back. You know you love 83 00:05:45,040 --> 00:05:48,360 Speaker 1: your job when you literally sprint into the studio because 84 00:05:48,400 --> 00:05:51,680 Speaker 1: you're so excited to talk to your guests that you're 85 00:05:51,680 --> 00:05:53,920 Speaker 1: gonna have on the podcast. And as I say frequently, 86 00:05:53,960 --> 00:05:57,360 Speaker 1: I'm pitched a lot of people products than programs, and 87 00:05:57,640 --> 00:06:01,160 Speaker 1: only the best. Uh. I'm looking at my my bookcase. 88 00:06:01,279 --> 00:06:03,640 Speaker 1: I only want the best books up there. We're gonna 89 00:06:03,640 --> 00:06:05,320 Speaker 1: we have limited time, and when it comes to health 90 00:06:05,360 --> 00:06:07,799 Speaker 1: and wellness, that's what this show is about. So Dr 91 00:06:07,880 --> 00:06:10,600 Speaker 1: Thompson's thanks so much for taking the time. Is that 92 00:06:10,960 --> 00:06:15,960 Speaker 1: Dr Thompson? Okay, Oh, Susan's fine. Susan, Well, you know 93 00:06:16,040 --> 00:06:18,760 Speaker 1: you work so hard for that PhD. I've got the masters. 94 00:06:18,800 --> 00:06:22,000 Speaker 1: I hope to get a PhD someday. But um, that 95 00:06:22,240 --> 00:06:30,159 Speaker 1: is doctor Susan. Um. If you could see my studio 96 00:06:30,279 --> 00:06:32,279 Speaker 1: right now, it's like that seen in a Beautiful Mind, 97 00:06:32,279 --> 00:06:34,679 Speaker 1: where there's just notes all over the walls and stuff. 98 00:06:34,720 --> 00:06:37,400 Speaker 1: Because when I read a book like yours, I'm just 99 00:06:37,560 --> 00:06:39,680 Speaker 1: writing everything down, stuff that I want to be able 100 00:06:39,720 --> 00:06:42,479 Speaker 1: to use later. So it's it's nuts and there's so 101 00:06:42,560 --> 00:06:45,360 Speaker 1: much to get to here. An amazing book. I gave 102 00:06:45,400 --> 00:06:48,240 Speaker 1: your intro quickly, but why don't you give people again? 103 00:06:48,480 --> 00:06:50,760 Speaker 1: Let me say this, Dr Thompson, I'm gonna probably say 104 00:06:50,800 --> 00:06:54,800 Speaker 1: Dr Thompson, just because it's coming naturally. But yeah, you've 105 00:06:54,800 --> 00:06:57,920 Speaker 1: got You've got the trifecta in my opinion, having been 106 00:06:57,960 --> 00:07:00,400 Speaker 1: this industry a long time. So you did it, you 107 00:07:00,480 --> 00:07:02,760 Speaker 1: studied it at a super high level, and you've proven 108 00:07:02,760 --> 00:07:06,359 Speaker 1: it works with a lot of people. That's kind of important. 109 00:07:06,720 --> 00:07:11,600 Speaker 1: So tell people like where it all started. Oh god, 110 00:07:12,040 --> 00:07:14,800 Speaker 1: you know, it started with me in the crack house 111 00:07:14,960 --> 00:07:19,400 Speaker 1: is where it started. I um, you know, my life's 112 00:07:19,400 --> 00:07:22,040 Speaker 1: work is around food and food addiction and weight loss, 113 00:07:22,160 --> 00:07:25,960 Speaker 1: but it started with addiction for me. My first heavy 114 00:07:25,960 --> 00:07:28,240 Speaker 1: addiction was to drugs. I was I was addicted to 115 00:07:28,280 --> 00:07:31,320 Speaker 1: food mildly as a kid. I just wasn't really aware 116 00:07:31,320 --> 00:07:33,400 Speaker 1: of it yet. I wasn't really in the grip yet. 117 00:07:33,440 --> 00:07:36,600 Speaker 1: But when I was fourteen, I started using drugs and 118 00:07:36,800 --> 00:07:39,320 Speaker 1: um from the age of fourteen to twenty, UM that 119 00:07:39,400 --> 00:07:44,280 Speaker 1: progressed pretty seriously, crystal meth, cocaine, freebasing, and then just 120 00:07:44,360 --> 00:07:48,640 Speaker 1: smoking crack on the streets and prostitution. And there was 121 00:07:48,800 --> 00:07:51,080 Speaker 1: a fair stretch from the age of nineteen to twenty 122 00:07:51,120 --> 00:07:53,600 Speaker 1: where I was living my life in a loop from 123 00:07:53,760 --> 00:07:56,600 Speaker 1: you know, prostitution into the crack house, and I got 124 00:07:56,960 --> 00:07:59,600 Speaker 1: struck clean and sober by a miracle when I was 125 00:07:59,640 --> 00:08:02,640 Speaker 1: twenty and I haven't had a drink or a drug 126 00:08:03,000 --> 00:08:09,080 Speaker 1: in twenty seven years, which, um blows my mind, Thank you. 127 00:08:09,160 --> 00:08:11,200 Speaker 1: I didn't think I was going to get you know, 128 00:08:11,440 --> 00:08:14,960 Speaker 1: I never I could. I could not use for two weeks, 129 00:08:15,360 --> 00:08:19,920 Speaker 1: let alone twenty seven years. But Um, after I quit using, 130 00:08:20,040 --> 00:08:22,600 Speaker 1: I got fat really fast. And I knew that was 131 00:08:22,640 --> 00:08:25,760 Speaker 1: going to happen. Um, because I've been I've been managing 132 00:08:25,800 --> 00:08:28,040 Speaker 1: my my eating and my weight with drugs for a 133 00:08:28,080 --> 00:08:30,800 Speaker 1: long time. I knew that was going to happen. And um, 134 00:08:30,840 --> 00:08:34,760 Speaker 1: that started many many years of addictive eating. And you know, 135 00:08:34,800 --> 00:08:36,800 Speaker 1: by the time I was twenty one, so I was 136 00:08:37,080 --> 00:08:40,200 Speaker 1: just not even a year into my sobriety journey. And 137 00:08:40,520 --> 00:08:44,400 Speaker 1: I looked at my eating and it was really clear, Tom, 138 00:08:44,440 --> 00:08:48,680 Speaker 1: I was not just over eating. I was using. I 139 00:08:48,720 --> 00:08:51,160 Speaker 1: was using like I used to smoke crack. I was 140 00:08:51,440 --> 00:08:54,120 Speaker 1: going to grocery stores and buying all kinds of bags 141 00:08:54,120 --> 00:08:56,560 Speaker 1: and boxes of binge foods. I was going home and 142 00:08:56,600 --> 00:08:59,720 Speaker 1: I was just eating and eating and eating, just like 143 00:08:59,760 --> 00:09:01,640 Speaker 1: I used to stay in the crack house and smoke 144 00:09:01,760 --> 00:09:05,360 Speaker 1: for days on end. And um, you know these binges 145 00:09:05,400 --> 00:09:07,680 Speaker 1: were severe and I and I realized this is not 146 00:09:07,760 --> 00:09:11,360 Speaker 1: sober behavior. I am. I am using And so it 147 00:09:11,440 --> 00:09:13,360 Speaker 1: took me a long time, though to figure out how 148 00:09:13,520 --> 00:09:17,720 Speaker 1: to stop, because you can't just stop eating. And even 149 00:09:17,760 --> 00:09:20,320 Speaker 1: the twelve step you know, kind of route that had 150 00:09:20,360 --> 00:09:23,440 Speaker 1: worked so well for me for drugs and alcohol, you know, 151 00:09:23,600 --> 00:09:26,360 Speaker 1: it proved tricky because like, what's the first addictive bite, 152 00:09:26,559 --> 00:09:29,280 Speaker 1: you know, and what exactly am I abstaining from? And 153 00:09:29,840 --> 00:09:31,440 Speaker 1: you know, you have to eat to live, but you 154 00:09:31,480 --> 00:09:34,160 Speaker 1: don't have to eat donuts to live. But still, even 155 00:09:34,240 --> 00:09:37,440 Speaker 1: if you're abstaining from donuts, there's a lot of gray area. 156 00:09:37,720 --> 00:09:41,080 Speaker 1: And um, I finally lost. I was obese by my 157 00:09:41,160 --> 00:09:44,319 Speaker 1: mid twenties, and I finally lost my excess weight when 158 00:09:44,360 --> 00:09:47,480 Speaker 1: I was twenty eight. I've been in a slender, right 159 00:09:47,520 --> 00:09:49,160 Speaker 1: sized body, whatever you want to call it. I call 160 00:09:49,200 --> 00:09:52,440 Speaker 1: it a bright body. Now, for god, what is it 161 00:09:52,520 --> 00:09:56,320 Speaker 1: like seventeen eighteen years consecutively, you know, size four? I'm 162 00:09:56,360 --> 00:10:01,640 Speaker 1: I'm tiny though, just naturally, and you know. And then 163 00:10:01,679 --> 00:10:05,040 Speaker 1: I started my academic route. After I got clean and sober, 164 00:10:05,120 --> 00:10:08,160 Speaker 1: even while still eating addictively, I was I went back 165 00:10:08,200 --> 00:10:12,679 Speaker 1: to school, UH Community College in California and transferred to 166 00:10:12,760 --> 00:10:16,240 Speaker 1: UC Berkeley and crushed it there, got four point ohs 167 00:10:16,320 --> 00:10:19,120 Speaker 1: UM spoke at the graduation, got into every grad school 168 00:10:19,160 --> 00:10:21,480 Speaker 1: I applied to, and ended up getting my PhD in 169 00:10:21,559 --> 00:10:24,400 Speaker 1: Brain and Cognitive sciences because I got really curious, you know, 170 00:10:24,480 --> 00:10:27,520 Speaker 1: how does a brain like mine go so far off 171 00:10:27,559 --> 00:10:31,520 Speaker 1: the rails? Like what the hell really? And UM did 172 00:10:31,520 --> 00:10:34,400 Speaker 1: a post stalk in psychology at the University of New 173 00:10:34,440 --> 00:10:37,320 Speaker 1: South Wales and Sydney and ended up being a psychology 174 00:10:37,400 --> 00:10:40,040 Speaker 1: professor for a long time, like sixteen years, and taught 175 00:10:40,080 --> 00:10:42,480 Speaker 1: a college course on the psychology of eating and the 176 00:10:42,520 --> 00:10:45,600 Speaker 1: neuroscience of food addiction. And meanwhile I was helping people 177 00:10:45,679 --> 00:10:49,160 Speaker 1: lose their excess weight and recover from food addiction, helping 178 00:10:49,200 --> 00:10:51,480 Speaker 1: people all the time, like spending thirty hours a week 179 00:10:51,600 --> 00:10:54,120 Speaker 1: for fun and for free, just helping people recover from 180 00:10:54,120 --> 00:10:58,760 Speaker 1: food addiction. And finally UM the to the academic side 181 00:10:58,760 --> 00:11:01,680 Speaker 1: of that, and then the sort of volunteer helping side 182 00:11:01,720 --> 00:11:04,360 Speaker 1: of that came together and I wrote the book Bright 183 00:11:04,400 --> 00:11:07,760 Speaker 1: Line Eating in two thousand seventeen. UM, So I started 184 00:11:07,760 --> 00:11:11,120 Speaker 1: the bright Line Eating email list first, and this bright 185 00:11:11,160 --> 00:11:13,400 Speaker 1: Line Eating movement, it just it's just spread around the world, 186 00:11:13,559 --> 00:11:15,920 Speaker 1: you know, every country on planet Earth. You know, one 187 00:11:15,920 --> 00:11:18,800 Speaker 1: point six million people have joined the email lists since 188 00:11:18,840 --> 00:11:22,600 Speaker 1: I launched it on April fifth of two thousand fourteen. 189 00:11:22,600 --> 00:11:25,400 Speaker 1: And I just help people. I help people who have 190 00:11:25,640 --> 00:11:29,600 Speaker 1: never found a way to, you know, lose their excess weight, 191 00:11:29,800 --> 00:11:33,040 Speaker 1: keep it off and get freedom from that mental chatter 192 00:11:33,120 --> 00:11:35,760 Speaker 1: about you know, what you've eaten or not eaten, or 193 00:11:35,760 --> 00:11:37,760 Speaker 1: whether you're on your plan or off your plan, how 194 00:11:37,760 --> 00:11:40,280 Speaker 1: many miles, how many calories, how many pounds you know, 195 00:11:40,320 --> 00:11:45,280 Speaker 1: how many sets, how many blah blah blah blah blah. Um, God, right, 196 00:11:45,440 --> 00:11:48,320 Speaker 1: just that insanity that you know, some of us just 197 00:11:48,400 --> 00:11:51,440 Speaker 1: eat right and exercise and it doesn't feel like a 198 00:11:51,480 --> 00:11:53,760 Speaker 1: bunch of squirrels running around the living room, you know. 199 00:11:53,840 --> 00:11:58,800 Speaker 1: But God, for me, it was just madness, you know, um, 200 00:11:58,880 --> 00:12:00,400 Speaker 1: and I and I don't live like that today. I 201 00:12:00,440 --> 00:12:03,160 Speaker 1: have peace, you know. I exercise in the morning, I 202 00:12:03,240 --> 00:12:07,640 Speaker 1: eat you know, three beautiful, abundant, colorful, delicious meals. I 203 00:12:07,640 --> 00:12:10,000 Speaker 1: don't think about my food anymore than I think about 204 00:12:10,040 --> 00:12:14,280 Speaker 1: my hot showers. They're great, I enjoy them, but I'm 205 00:12:14,280 --> 00:12:17,000 Speaker 1: not thinking about them before or after. You know. It's 206 00:12:17,040 --> 00:12:19,200 Speaker 1: like I'm glad when it's happening, and then I'm over 207 00:12:19,240 --> 00:12:22,120 Speaker 1: it and move on with my life. And I want 208 00:12:22,120 --> 00:12:25,199 Speaker 1: that for other people. And we're doing something wrong obviously, 209 00:12:25,320 --> 00:12:27,280 Speaker 1: and you know, listen to a bunch of your other interviews. 210 00:12:27,960 --> 00:12:30,360 Speaker 1: We're doing something wrong right, because people are not successful. 211 00:12:30,360 --> 00:12:32,600 Speaker 1: And that's what I so love about you and reading 212 00:12:32,600 --> 00:12:35,120 Speaker 1: your story and and now hearing it again. Uh in 213 00:12:35,160 --> 00:12:37,040 Speaker 1: a line I pulled right at the beginning of your book, 214 00:12:37,160 --> 00:12:38,840 Speaker 1: I just love that you say I speak for the 215 00:12:38,840 --> 00:12:43,680 Speaker 1: people who suffer with profound, overwhelming obsession and compulsion with food. 216 00:12:44,240 --> 00:12:45,760 Speaker 1: And that's a lot of people. And let me just 217 00:12:45,800 --> 00:12:48,400 Speaker 1: say from the get go to like, I'm the opposite 218 00:12:48,440 --> 00:12:50,520 Speaker 1: as as far as what I preach, right, I came 219 00:12:50,600 --> 00:12:52,640 Speaker 1: up with the terms and not new, but I talked 220 00:12:52,640 --> 00:12:55,600 Speaker 1: about excessive moderation, right, and your book is no, there's 221 00:12:55,640 --> 00:12:58,000 Speaker 1: people that can't do that, and and you and I 222 00:12:58,280 --> 00:13:00,959 Speaker 1: are at the level I would argue where go, Okay, 223 00:13:01,000 --> 00:13:03,520 Speaker 1: we're not all the same, and we'll talk about that too, 224 00:13:03,960 --> 00:13:06,520 Speaker 1: and you talk about the susceptibility scale, and we're not 225 00:13:06,559 --> 00:13:08,120 Speaker 1: all the same, and we all try to, oh, well, 226 00:13:08,280 --> 00:13:10,080 Speaker 1: my friend did this, so I'm gonna do what he 227 00:13:10,200 --> 00:13:12,600 Speaker 1: or she did and be successful. And that's not how 228 00:13:12,640 --> 00:13:15,040 Speaker 1: it works. That's not how it works how, and so 229 00:13:15,120 --> 00:13:17,040 Speaker 1: let's just there's so much to get to, but let's 230 00:13:17,280 --> 00:13:19,360 Speaker 1: let's just start with you know, I've had on Dr 231 00:13:19,440 --> 00:13:22,200 Speaker 1: Daniel Lieberman. The Hungry Brain is one of my favorite books. 232 00:13:22,240 --> 00:13:24,319 Speaker 1: And I know you know you're all about that kind 233 00:13:24,320 --> 00:13:28,360 Speaker 1: of stuff too, obviously the smartest of the smart. Right, Um, 234 00:13:29,200 --> 00:13:32,800 Speaker 1: let's talk about like the evolutionary framework of health and nutrition, 235 00:13:32,880 --> 00:13:37,200 Speaker 1: the considerations and context of how our brains are wired 236 00:13:37,280 --> 00:13:40,520 Speaker 1: when it comes to what we're talking about here. Yeah, 237 00:13:40,640 --> 00:13:44,280 Speaker 1: you know, well it's you know, we need to drill 238 00:13:44,440 --> 00:13:49,679 Speaker 1: this reality into everyone's consciousness. Food addiction is real, but 239 00:13:49,880 --> 00:13:53,600 Speaker 1: not everyone is affected or susceptible, right, And so just 240 00:13:53,640 --> 00:13:56,520 Speaker 1: because you can eat a cookie and then that you're 241 00:13:56,520 --> 00:14:00,000 Speaker 1: good to go, right, not everyone has that same experience. 242 00:14:00,280 --> 00:14:02,800 Speaker 1: And so we really do need to make space and 243 00:14:02,960 --> 00:14:08,199 Speaker 1: room for different people's experience at different people's physiology, their 244 00:14:08,280 --> 00:14:11,760 Speaker 1: their brain, because you know, research shows that one third 245 00:14:11,800 --> 00:14:15,840 Speaker 1: of brains are profoundly susceptible to addiction all addictions, and 246 00:14:15,880 --> 00:14:18,400 Speaker 1: one third of brains are moderately susceptible, and one third 247 00:14:18,440 --> 00:14:21,000 Speaker 1: of brains are just not susceptible at all. And I 248 00:14:21,040 --> 00:14:24,480 Speaker 1: mean you could inject them with heroin every day and 249 00:14:24,520 --> 00:14:27,560 Speaker 1: they wouldn't get addicted. I am not kidding. They would 250 00:14:27,560 --> 00:14:31,320 Speaker 1: not get addicted. When you stop injecting them every day 251 00:14:31,360 --> 00:14:34,480 Speaker 1: with heroin. They might show some withdrawal symptoms, that's just physiology, 252 00:14:34,600 --> 00:14:37,200 Speaker 1: but they're not going to look for another hit. They're done. 253 00:14:37,560 --> 00:14:39,520 Speaker 1: And we know this because we send people home with 254 00:14:39,840 --> 00:14:43,040 Speaker 1: you know, opiate prescriptions after back surgery and people have 255 00:14:43,120 --> 00:14:46,240 Speaker 1: to take you know, opiates every six hours, every four 256 00:14:46,280 --> 00:14:49,680 Speaker 1: hours for weeks and months, and they don't all become pillheads. 257 00:14:50,560 --> 00:14:52,400 Speaker 1: You know, some people can go to a concert and 258 00:14:52,440 --> 00:14:55,040 Speaker 1: have a cigarette and then not go by a pack. 259 00:14:55,400 --> 00:14:58,120 Speaker 1: That is not me, that is I have run that 260 00:14:58,200 --> 00:15:00,720 Speaker 1: experiment more than once. And let me tell you that 261 00:15:01,400 --> 00:15:03,640 Speaker 1: can you be at both ends because that listen, I 262 00:15:03,720 --> 00:15:07,040 Speaker 1: have really addictive personality traits in certain areas. And that's 263 00:15:07,040 --> 00:15:09,200 Speaker 1: what you talk about, like you talk about, hey, shopping 264 00:15:09,200 --> 00:15:11,880 Speaker 1: has never been for you, but you have other things obviously, 265 00:15:11,960 --> 00:15:14,520 Speaker 1: And so that's where it gets tricky, right, It isn't 266 00:15:14,560 --> 00:15:17,600 Speaker 1: black and white, it's really gray. But there are still 267 00:15:17,720 --> 00:15:20,960 Speaker 1: scientific principles that go to all of this. And you know, 268 00:15:21,000 --> 00:15:25,440 Speaker 1: I get sat talk about that for a second. There's 269 00:15:25,920 --> 00:15:30,400 Speaker 1: a reality there, right, So the susceptibility is across the 270 00:15:30,440 --> 00:15:35,600 Speaker 1: board with all addictions. The vulnerability, the inherent neurological vulnerability, 271 00:15:35,680 --> 00:15:39,960 Speaker 1: is across the board, and it's genetic and it's somewhat environmental, 272 00:15:40,000 --> 00:15:42,040 Speaker 1: meaning you get you've got two people who are not 273 00:15:42,120 --> 00:15:44,760 Speaker 1: addictively susceptible at all, they give birth to a baby 274 00:15:44,800 --> 00:15:47,320 Speaker 1: who's not addictively susceptible, but then they drop it off 275 00:15:47,320 --> 00:15:50,360 Speaker 1: at the orphanage, and there's some chance that that kid 276 00:15:50,360 --> 00:15:52,960 Speaker 1: will grow up to have an addictive susceptibility because you know, 277 00:15:53,040 --> 00:15:56,960 Speaker 1: really rough upbringing ken Also, you know, our ace adverse 278 00:15:57,040 --> 00:16:01,320 Speaker 1: child events can also produce addictive susceptible ability. But in 279 00:16:01,360 --> 00:16:04,880 Speaker 1: any particular domain, you've got to wire up the addiction 280 00:16:05,080 --> 00:16:08,000 Speaker 1: with the cues and the rewards in that domain. So 281 00:16:08,160 --> 00:16:12,160 Speaker 1: that takes time, that takes exposure. It usually takes pain 282 00:16:12,600 --> 00:16:16,360 Speaker 1: or need followed by a hit or relief, and then 283 00:16:16,360 --> 00:16:19,640 Speaker 1: the brain noticing, oh yeah, that'll do like what was 284 00:16:19,760 --> 00:16:22,400 Speaker 1: that right, and then you sort of seek that again 285 00:16:22,440 --> 00:16:25,440 Speaker 1: more in that domain. So you know, knock on, would 286 00:16:25,480 --> 00:16:27,680 Speaker 1: God willing? I still have yet to develop a wicked 287 00:16:27,680 --> 00:16:31,560 Speaker 1: gambling problem or shopping addiction. Right, but I'm eligible because 288 00:16:31,600 --> 00:16:35,320 Speaker 1: I'm the kind of underlying brain that I have, Right, 289 00:16:35,440 --> 00:16:39,080 Speaker 1: So yeah, that's how that works. Yeah, And you talk 290 00:16:39,160 --> 00:16:41,720 Speaker 1: about and you know, hungry brain and all those great 291 00:16:42,360 --> 00:16:44,360 Speaker 1: people who are studying this at the at the right 292 00:16:44,480 --> 00:16:46,840 Speaker 1: high levels. I would argue, Um, you know, you talk 293 00:16:46,880 --> 00:16:49,040 Speaker 1: about the food industry, and this one gets me really depressed. 294 00:16:49,040 --> 00:16:50,760 Speaker 1: I read your book and it's like gets me excited 295 00:16:50,800 --> 00:16:52,280 Speaker 1: to depress. And you know, I'm all over the place 296 00:16:52,320 --> 00:16:55,680 Speaker 1: because of numerous things. But you know, the food industry 297 00:16:55,720 --> 00:16:59,920 Speaker 1: obviously is out too literally, you know, get people addicted 298 00:17:00,160 --> 00:17:02,600 Speaker 1: and play into all of those evolutionary things where we were, 299 00:17:03,080 --> 00:17:05,560 Speaker 1: you know, meant to seek out food in a certain way, 300 00:17:06,000 --> 00:17:07,919 Speaker 1: and they know that and they're putting into that and 301 00:17:07,960 --> 00:17:10,920 Speaker 1: that's a huge part of the problem. You're right, they are. 302 00:17:11,080 --> 00:17:14,119 Speaker 1: They're putting people in f m R I machines now 303 00:17:14,520 --> 00:17:17,679 Speaker 1: UM to test the latest snack food concoctions UM and 304 00:17:17,760 --> 00:17:22,080 Speaker 1: the latest commercials to make sure that their formulations are 305 00:17:22,200 --> 00:17:25,000 Speaker 1: hitting the addictive centers of the brain just right, like 306 00:17:25,240 --> 00:17:29,080 Speaker 1: lighting up that nucleus incumbents ventral tegmental area, that whole 307 00:17:29,480 --> 00:17:33,720 Speaker 1: addiction reward complex insula, all the areas, right, and so 308 00:17:33,760 --> 00:17:37,399 Speaker 1: they can they can literally tell whether a particular taste 309 00:17:37,520 --> 00:17:40,639 Speaker 1: or a particular series of sights and sounds hits the 310 00:17:40,680 --> 00:17:43,800 Speaker 1: spot for someone who's food addicted, right, So they know, 311 00:17:44,160 --> 00:17:48,439 Speaker 1: they know, And you know, I don't. You know, I 312 00:17:48,480 --> 00:17:51,600 Speaker 1: haven't turned my career toward policy. What I'm trying to 313 00:17:51,640 --> 00:17:54,440 Speaker 1: do is help the person who's afflicted to live in 314 00:17:54,520 --> 00:17:57,720 Speaker 1: this current food environment, as toxic as it is, as 315 00:17:57,800 --> 00:18:00,879 Speaker 1: much of an onslaught as it is, and recover and 316 00:18:00,920 --> 00:18:04,399 Speaker 1: find peace even here and now. But I you know, 317 00:18:04,440 --> 00:18:06,320 Speaker 1: this is I talked about this in my latest book 318 00:18:06,320 --> 00:18:08,600 Speaker 1: that you just read. Um. Food is the hardest, and 319 00:18:08,640 --> 00:18:11,640 Speaker 1: a lot of it is because of the environmental conditions, 320 00:18:11,640 --> 00:18:13,840 Speaker 1: you know. And I quit crack. I was not being 321 00:18:13,840 --> 00:18:16,359 Speaker 1: triggered to smoke crack as I went to work. I 322 00:18:16,440 --> 00:18:18,960 Speaker 1: wasn't being asked to smoke crack when I went to 323 00:18:19,040 --> 00:18:22,399 Speaker 1: family gatherings. I could pretty much leave that behind and 324 00:18:22,440 --> 00:18:24,360 Speaker 1: I had a whole world to join. But not so 325 00:18:24,480 --> 00:18:27,440 Speaker 1: with food. Right, We've got a world full of food pushers, 326 00:18:27,800 --> 00:18:31,959 Speaker 1: and a world full of cueues and triggers and reminders. 327 00:18:32,000 --> 00:18:34,679 Speaker 1: Just as you navigate your day, it's like a series 328 00:18:34,720 --> 00:18:38,320 Speaker 1: of conditions, reinforcers and reminders that it's time to eat 329 00:18:38,320 --> 00:18:40,800 Speaker 1: off your plan and fall back into the ditch. So 330 00:18:40,920 --> 00:18:43,440 Speaker 1: it's harder. It's so hard. And I love that analogy 331 00:18:43,480 --> 00:18:45,680 Speaker 1: you give in the book. Are you talking about? You know, 332 00:18:45,720 --> 00:18:49,200 Speaker 1: it's basically asking an alcoholic to say, Okay, for breakfast, 333 00:18:49,240 --> 00:18:51,479 Speaker 1: you're gonna have wine, but you're only gonna have six ounces, right, 334 00:18:51,720 --> 00:18:53,959 Speaker 1: And then you're gonna have a cocaine, but you're only 335 00:18:53,960 --> 00:18:57,520 Speaker 1: gonna have two wines, right, And just yeah, it's nuts, 336 00:18:57,840 --> 00:19:01,040 Speaker 1: and it's nuts for different in different ways. And I 337 00:19:01,680 --> 00:19:04,760 Speaker 1: love that you just camera that home. And the policy side, 338 00:19:04,800 --> 00:19:06,359 Speaker 1: I'm so aligned with you because it's like, what can 339 00:19:06,440 --> 00:19:08,040 Speaker 1: we do right now? And we'll talk about that, right. 340 00:19:08,119 --> 00:19:10,440 Speaker 1: We're not going to change the big money now right 341 00:19:10,640 --> 00:19:13,280 Speaker 1: or the advertising thing into kids. We can change and 342 00:19:13,320 --> 00:19:17,440 Speaker 1: control what we can and and that's what you're focused on, um, 343 00:19:17,480 --> 00:19:19,600 Speaker 1: which is which is so important to actions we can 344 00:19:19,640 --> 00:19:22,360 Speaker 1: control right now. But plug for England, man I hear 345 00:19:22,400 --> 00:19:26,000 Speaker 1: in early two thousand twenty three they're implementing laws that 346 00:19:26,040 --> 00:19:29,520 Speaker 1: make it illegal to advertise any junkie food between five 347 00:19:29,680 --> 00:19:32,400 Speaker 1: thirty am and nine pm, all the hours that kids 348 00:19:32,400 --> 00:19:35,639 Speaker 1: are awake watching TV, and it's on streaming and the 349 00:19:35,840 --> 00:19:39,680 Speaker 1: internet and social media as well, a full ban on 350 00:19:40,119 --> 00:19:43,879 Speaker 1: hear that that just sounds not so that that's actually 351 00:19:43,880 --> 00:19:47,320 Speaker 1: gonna happen. I hope it does, right, I mean, dude, 352 00:19:47,359 --> 00:19:50,400 Speaker 1: they got nationalized healthcare. Who's pay Who's footing the bill 353 00:19:50,480 --> 00:19:54,679 Speaker 1: for this stuff? Right? Like? So when people say, you know, 354 00:19:54,880 --> 00:19:58,720 Speaker 1: the food companies are are profiting, I'm like, yeah, and 355 00:19:58,840 --> 00:20:04,360 Speaker 1: other big companies are losing, right, the insurance companies. Uh So, 356 00:20:04,600 --> 00:20:06,840 Speaker 1: don't just think that the big money flows in one 357 00:20:06,880 --> 00:20:10,080 Speaker 1: direction on this. So, you know, we have yet to 358 00:20:10,119 --> 00:20:11,720 Speaker 1: see how this is all going to shake out. As 359 00:20:11,720 --> 00:20:17,359 Speaker 1: obesity rates march ever upward unobated, we will see the 360 00:20:17,400 --> 00:20:20,359 Speaker 1: point at which collectively we cry uncle, and it's coming. 361 00:20:20,840 --> 00:20:22,439 Speaker 1: We're not there yet. I don't know why we're not 362 00:20:22,960 --> 00:20:25,359 Speaker 1: crying uncle yet, but God bless us, and we can 363 00:20:25,440 --> 00:20:27,199 Speaker 1: take a little more pain, but I don't know how 364 00:20:27,280 --> 00:20:30,240 Speaker 1: much more. Yeah, And you know, the statistics, as you 365 00:20:30,280 --> 00:20:32,720 Speaker 1: outline in the book are there, and you kind of 366 00:20:32,720 --> 00:20:34,760 Speaker 1: get into it at the beginning just to put them 367 00:20:34,760 --> 00:20:37,359 Speaker 1: out there, like people in America are dying in pain 368 00:20:37,440 --> 00:20:41,000 Speaker 1: and quoting you directly and prematurely from diseases that we 369 00:20:41,080 --> 00:20:44,080 Speaker 1: know our food and lifestyle related. We're constantly told that's 370 00:20:44,080 --> 00:20:45,840 Speaker 1: not true, that we don't have control. And that's a 371 00:20:45,920 --> 00:20:48,440 Speaker 1: huge part of this show. Susan is like me saying, 372 00:20:48,480 --> 00:20:50,119 Speaker 1: you know, you're reading all this stuff that says it's 373 00:20:50,119 --> 00:20:52,880 Speaker 1: your genetics, and sure, that's all related, and it's part 374 00:20:52,880 --> 00:20:56,920 Speaker 1: of it, but there's so much we can control and uh, 375 00:20:56,960 --> 00:20:58,760 Speaker 1: and we we need to know that. We need to 376 00:20:58,760 --> 00:21:01,479 Speaker 1: hear that more and more. Yeah, I mean, like with COVID, 377 00:21:01,600 --> 00:21:04,000 Speaker 1: I don't know why, for example, when it came out 378 00:21:04,160 --> 00:21:06,480 Speaker 1: that high CRP levels, which for anyone who doesn't know, 379 00:21:06,560 --> 00:21:11,480 Speaker 1: that's inflammation, right, and just overall low levels of inflammation 380 00:21:11,520 --> 00:21:14,359 Speaker 1: are associated with going to the hospital with COVID and 381 00:21:14,400 --> 00:21:18,480 Speaker 1: then dying. Right, Why aren't people saying if you change 382 00:21:18,480 --> 00:21:21,560 Speaker 1: your diet radically, you can bring down your inflammation in 383 00:21:21,600 --> 00:21:25,840 Speaker 1: a matter of date, like your blood changes dramatically, there's 384 00:21:25,920 --> 00:21:29,560 Speaker 1: things you can do to keep yourself healthier. Right. So 385 00:21:30,080 --> 00:21:33,040 Speaker 1: you know, I'm not promising you know, perfect outcomes from COVID. 386 00:21:33,080 --> 00:21:35,959 Speaker 1: I'm just saying we have a lot more agency around 387 00:21:35,960 --> 00:21:38,920 Speaker 1: all of this than you know, we're led to believe. 388 00:21:39,440 --> 00:21:41,399 Speaker 1: You know, when when as of right now, what are 389 00:21:41,400 --> 00:21:45,240 Speaker 1: the top two criteria right for issues? It's age and obesity, 390 00:21:45,320 --> 00:21:48,520 Speaker 1: right and when we can control when we can't, and 391 00:21:48,520 --> 00:21:50,119 Speaker 1: when they're talking about I don't want to get too 392 00:21:50,160 --> 00:21:53,400 Speaker 1: deep into this, but like the current discussion on misinformation 393 00:21:53,720 --> 00:21:56,120 Speaker 1: as far as how much it misinformation is out there 394 00:21:56,160 --> 00:21:58,240 Speaker 1: about what we're talking about now that has led to 395 00:21:58,680 --> 00:22:03,719 Speaker 1: people being predisposed and you know, susceptible to dying from COVID. 396 00:22:03,760 --> 00:22:06,800 Speaker 1: It's just I get frustrated, Dr Thompson, which is why 397 00:22:06,800 --> 00:22:09,880 Speaker 1: I have right and and we should be talking about 398 00:22:09,920 --> 00:22:12,320 Speaker 1: the weight issue. We should be talking about the weight issue. 399 00:22:12,560 --> 00:22:16,119 Speaker 1: I don't want anyone to be discriminated against. I am. 400 00:22:16,200 --> 00:22:18,840 Speaker 1: I am just a lover of people and I have 401 00:22:19,000 --> 00:22:21,840 Speaker 1: dedicated my life to being with people who struggle with 402 00:22:21,880 --> 00:22:26,200 Speaker 1: their weight. It is my heart's calling. And and for 403 00:22:26,240 --> 00:22:29,280 Speaker 1: anyone who wants a roadmap to get that weight off, 404 00:22:29,400 --> 00:22:32,240 Speaker 1: to to lose some weight, I am with you. When 405 00:22:32,240 --> 00:22:34,120 Speaker 1: I had when I was obese and I had all 406 00:22:34,119 --> 00:22:36,160 Speaker 1: that extra weight on my body, it did not feel 407 00:22:36,240 --> 00:22:38,160 Speaker 1: right on my body. I was like, this is not right. 408 00:22:38,520 --> 00:22:41,920 Speaker 1: Every time I would feel that that soul's calling to improve, 409 00:22:42,040 --> 00:22:45,240 Speaker 1: to strive to be the best version of myself. Number 410 00:22:45,240 --> 00:22:46,960 Speaker 1: one on the list was I gotta lose this weight. 411 00:22:47,680 --> 00:22:51,479 Speaker 1: You know, I cannot stay at this weight. So um, 412 00:22:51,520 --> 00:22:55,120 Speaker 1: and I have faith in the human the human souls 413 00:22:55,560 --> 00:22:58,760 Speaker 1: call for self actualization, right that Abraham Maslow talks about 414 00:22:58,760 --> 00:23:01,320 Speaker 1: what what a person can be, they must be, you know, 415 00:23:02,480 --> 00:23:04,640 Speaker 1: and so you know, I think the human spirit will 416 00:23:04,640 --> 00:23:06,840 Speaker 1: prevail on that one. We want to be better, we do. 417 00:23:07,040 --> 00:23:09,040 Speaker 1: We don't want to just get fatter and fatter as 418 00:23:09,040 --> 00:23:12,480 Speaker 1: a society. Nobody benefits from that, you know, except the 419 00:23:12,520 --> 00:23:15,560 Speaker 1: food companies. And they're separate issues, as you just said, right, 420 00:23:15,600 --> 00:23:17,320 Speaker 1: So I always say the same thing. You should love 421 00:23:17,320 --> 00:23:19,200 Speaker 1: yourself no matter what you weigh, of course, and it's 422 00:23:19,200 --> 00:23:21,440 Speaker 1: it's all tied into it, but they're not the same thing, 423 00:23:21,520 --> 00:23:24,560 Speaker 1: being healthy and being overweight. We want to be our 424 00:23:24,600 --> 00:23:28,280 Speaker 1: healthiest weight, whatever that number is. And you know so 425 00:23:28,400 --> 00:23:30,280 Speaker 1: much in your book obviously you go into this when 426 00:23:30,280 --> 00:23:33,640 Speaker 1: you talk about you know, not focusing on the outcomes, right, 427 00:23:33,680 --> 00:23:36,040 Speaker 1: and that's that's what we focus on too often. And 428 00:23:36,400 --> 00:23:38,679 Speaker 1: you know you talk about the non scale victories that 429 00:23:38,720 --> 00:23:41,000 Speaker 1: I talk about all the time as well. Those are 430 00:23:41,040 --> 00:23:44,439 Speaker 1: really important, like being healthier and the things we can't 431 00:23:44,720 --> 00:23:48,360 Speaker 1: see on a scale, right, every workout matters. Every time 432 00:23:48,400 --> 00:23:51,000 Speaker 1: you eat something healthy that is a benefit to you. 433 00:23:51,840 --> 00:23:53,840 Speaker 1: I always talk about two like, don't focus on what 434 00:23:53,920 --> 00:23:55,920 Speaker 1: you can't eat. Don't tell me what you can't, tell 435 00:23:55,920 --> 00:23:58,080 Speaker 1: me what you are, Tell me what you can do, 436 00:23:58,200 --> 00:24:01,600 Speaker 1: because that's so important. And and you know, being overweight 437 00:24:01,760 --> 00:24:06,359 Speaker 1: has myriad negative health outcomes. Yeah, it does for sure. 438 00:24:06,640 --> 00:24:09,200 Speaker 1: And in terms of non scale victories. You know what's 439 00:24:09,240 --> 00:24:12,320 Speaker 1: interesting is UM I talk in my first book a 440 00:24:12,359 --> 00:24:16,040 Speaker 1: lot about self perception theory. It's the idea that Darryl 441 00:24:16,080 --> 00:24:19,400 Speaker 1: ben came. He was from Cornell in in nineteen seventy something. 442 00:24:19,600 --> 00:24:23,120 Speaker 1: He did a series of studies showing that we learn 443 00:24:23,200 --> 00:24:26,679 Speaker 1: about ourselves by watching our behavior. You might think that 444 00:24:26,760 --> 00:24:29,200 Speaker 1: we know like what we think and what we believe, 445 00:24:29,280 --> 00:24:31,199 Speaker 1: like we know our political beliefs and then we go 446 00:24:31,320 --> 00:24:34,240 Speaker 1: vote vote accordingly. He said, no, actually, you watch how 447 00:24:34,280 --> 00:24:37,840 Speaker 1: you vote, and then you learn what your political beliefs are. Um. 448 00:24:37,960 --> 00:24:40,719 Speaker 1: You watch your behavior, You watch yourself be late, and 449 00:24:40,920 --> 00:24:44,720 Speaker 1: you over time and you learn, oh, you know, I'm 450 00:24:44,760 --> 00:24:47,880 Speaker 1: not super punctual, you know. So what happens is when 451 00:24:47,920 --> 00:24:50,880 Speaker 1: we watch ourselves betray ourselves with food, when we watch 452 00:24:50,920 --> 00:24:53,880 Speaker 1: ourselves pledge that we're going to eat this way and 453 00:24:53,920 --> 00:24:57,120 Speaker 1: then decide at the last minute to you know, order. 454 00:24:57,280 --> 00:25:00,000 Speaker 1: So when we when we do that over and over again, 455 00:25:00,720 --> 00:25:04,040 Speaker 1: our brain starts to look for a way to explain it, 456 00:25:04,359 --> 00:25:07,320 Speaker 1: and often it comes up with a theory that we 457 00:25:07,359 --> 00:25:10,400 Speaker 1: don't like ourselves very much, that we don't love ourselves, 458 00:25:10,440 --> 00:25:12,600 Speaker 1: that we don't want what's best for us, but we 459 00:25:12,680 --> 00:25:17,480 Speaker 1: don't um that we don't feel worthy of um, of 460 00:25:17,520 --> 00:25:21,680 Speaker 1: being healthy. And what happens when people start doing bright 461 00:25:21,720 --> 00:25:24,119 Speaker 1: line eating is um, I have them write their food 462 00:25:24,160 --> 00:25:26,760 Speaker 1: down the night before. We're not talking about logging your 463 00:25:26,760 --> 00:25:29,280 Speaker 1: food after you've eaten it. No, no no, no, you're gonna 464 00:25:29,280 --> 00:25:30,720 Speaker 1: get out of journal and you're gonna write down what 465 00:25:30,760 --> 00:25:33,439 Speaker 1: you're gonna eat the night before the day the day dawns, 466 00:25:33,760 --> 00:25:36,159 Speaker 1: and then when the day dawns, your only job is 467 00:25:36,200 --> 00:25:38,760 Speaker 1: to eat only and exactly that, and I mean only 468 00:25:38,800 --> 00:25:40,720 Speaker 1: in exactly that. I don't want you eating an extra 469 00:25:40,760 --> 00:25:44,000 Speaker 1: baby carrot, like let's get precise here. And the food 470 00:25:44,040 --> 00:25:46,000 Speaker 1: plan is plenty of food. So this is not a 471 00:25:46,040 --> 00:25:51,440 Speaker 1: restriction thing. This is an integrity thing because the benefit 472 00:25:51,480 --> 00:25:54,320 Speaker 1: of having those kinds of crisp lines around what you're 473 00:25:54,359 --> 00:25:57,240 Speaker 1: doing is that you get to do it for one 474 00:25:57,320 --> 00:25:59,640 Speaker 1: day and then put your head on the pillow and say, 475 00:25:59,720 --> 00:26:03,080 Speaker 1: look that I said I was going to eat this 476 00:26:03,359 --> 00:26:06,280 Speaker 1: and I did. And then you do it again, and 477 00:26:06,320 --> 00:26:09,080 Speaker 1: then you do it again. And what I find is 478 00:26:09,119 --> 00:26:12,520 Speaker 1: it only takes a few weeks, just a day after 479 00:26:12,600 --> 00:26:16,200 Speaker 1: day after day, just a little stretch of time first 480 00:26:16,320 --> 00:26:17,919 Speaker 1: for like, I don't know, I don't want to be 481 00:26:18,000 --> 00:26:23,200 Speaker 1: dramatic here, but you know, sixty seventy of someone's psychological 482 00:26:23,240 --> 00:26:27,879 Speaker 1: issues to melt away, the self loathing, the self um, 483 00:26:27,960 --> 00:26:31,560 Speaker 1: you know, the self contempt, the lack of self efficacy, 484 00:26:31,840 --> 00:26:36,000 Speaker 1: the sort of lack of self trust, Like, it all 485 00:26:36,040 --> 00:26:38,960 Speaker 1: starts to melt away. You start to have proof that 486 00:26:39,080 --> 00:26:41,520 Speaker 1: you value yourself. You can just look at how you're 487 00:26:41,520 --> 00:26:45,880 Speaker 1: treating yourself and suddenly it all starts to change. Yeah, 488 00:26:45,920 --> 00:26:48,800 Speaker 1: self efficacy is what I talk about. Frequent bandur out Like, 489 00:26:48,840 --> 00:26:52,040 Speaker 1: that's what I'm all about. Those small victories that aren't small, 490 00:26:52,119 --> 00:26:55,160 Speaker 1: right that, as you said, they build and the diets 491 00:26:55,240 --> 00:26:57,560 Speaker 1: out there. You're successful. You get through what you did, 492 00:26:57,560 --> 00:26:58,960 Speaker 1: what they asked you to do. That just there was 493 00:26:58,960 --> 00:27:00,800 Speaker 1: an end date and it was laud from the get go, 494 00:27:00,880 --> 00:27:02,720 Speaker 1: and that chips away at that that erodes the self 495 00:27:02,720 --> 00:27:06,120 Speaker 1: efficacy and when you have the control and listen, when 496 00:27:06,119 --> 00:27:08,159 Speaker 1: I first started reading your book, I'm like, wait a minute, 497 00:27:08,200 --> 00:27:10,359 Speaker 1: this is like a lot of control. And then I 498 00:27:10,400 --> 00:27:13,280 Speaker 1: realized it's necessary. It's not me. I'm not high on 499 00:27:13,280 --> 00:27:17,120 Speaker 1: that scale for this and for food other things. Yes, um, 500 00:27:17,160 --> 00:27:19,600 Speaker 1: but I get I get it, and I get the 501 00:27:19,600 --> 00:27:23,240 Speaker 1: control and and I and every podcast Susan by saying, 502 00:27:23,240 --> 00:27:25,560 Speaker 1: there's three things we can control, how much we move, 503 00:27:25,600 --> 00:27:27,640 Speaker 1: what we put into our mouths and attitudes. Now there's 504 00:27:27,840 --> 00:27:32,439 Speaker 1: trouble in there right with what kind of uh behind 505 00:27:32,480 --> 00:27:35,359 Speaker 1: those things. But I get it. I get your And 506 00:27:35,400 --> 00:27:37,040 Speaker 1: that's what I loved about reading your book, like this 507 00:27:37,080 --> 00:27:39,560 Speaker 1: is different. We need different and we need control. And 508 00:27:39,880 --> 00:27:42,320 Speaker 1: writing down the night before I never read that, and 509 00:27:42,359 --> 00:27:45,400 Speaker 1: that makes complete sense. And it's those victories and saying, 510 00:27:45,400 --> 00:27:48,480 Speaker 1: wait a minute, I was successful, as you said, twenty 511 00:27:48,520 --> 00:27:50,679 Speaker 1: four hours and then then the next day starts. I 512 00:27:50,760 --> 00:27:55,280 Speaker 1: love that. Yeah, yeah, and you know the the this 513 00:27:55,400 --> 00:27:57,399 Speaker 1: is different and like you know, this seems like a 514 00:27:57,400 --> 00:27:59,359 Speaker 1: lot of control and all that. You know, I just 515 00:27:59,400 --> 00:28:04,240 Speaker 1: want to say, look around right for everybody listening. You know, 516 00:28:05,119 --> 00:28:07,840 Speaker 1: there's a hundred and eight million people trying to lose 517 00:28:07,840 --> 00:28:09,680 Speaker 1: weight in the United States right now. They might say 518 00:28:09,680 --> 00:28:11,480 Speaker 1: they're on a diet. They might claim not to be 519 00:28:11,560 --> 00:28:13,880 Speaker 1: on a diet, but you look at what they're doing. 520 00:28:13,920 --> 00:28:17,200 Speaker 1: They're spending money on programs and services trying to lose weight. 521 00:28:17,280 --> 00:28:19,840 Speaker 1: That's according to the US weight loss and diet control market, 522 00:28:19,880 --> 00:28:25,639 Speaker 1: all right. And on average they will commence four or 523 00:28:25,840 --> 00:28:30,960 Speaker 1: five new attempts each year. Each year, what are the 524 00:28:30,960 --> 00:28:32,720 Speaker 1: odds that any one of them gets down to a 525 00:28:32,760 --> 00:28:35,160 Speaker 1: normal b M I any one of those people less 526 00:28:35,160 --> 00:28:39,600 Speaker 1: than one percent, less than one percent in bright line eating, 527 00:28:39,720 --> 00:28:45,280 Speaker 1: Our odds are fifty five times that published published odds 528 00:28:45,360 --> 00:28:49,240 Speaker 1: two years later, still maintaining every pound of that weight loss, 529 00:28:49,320 --> 00:28:55,240 Speaker 1: and double more. Yeah so, And almost everything I teach 530 00:28:55,280 --> 00:28:57,680 Speaker 1: flies in the face of what you hear out there. 531 00:28:57,880 --> 00:28:59,920 Speaker 1: People say, oh, you gotta eat six small meals a day, 532 00:29:00,000 --> 00:29:03,040 Speaker 1: stoke your metabolism. I say, hogwash, three meals a day. 533 00:29:03,200 --> 00:29:06,320 Speaker 1: That's different. People say, oh, you gotta exercise right away. 534 00:29:06,360 --> 00:29:08,400 Speaker 1: I say no, no no, no, no, hold off, get the 535 00:29:08,480 --> 00:29:13,520 Speaker 1: food nailed first. That's different. Yeah, you know. People say, 536 00:29:13,640 --> 00:29:15,120 Speaker 1: you know, write down your food after you get it. 537 00:29:15,120 --> 00:29:16,640 Speaker 1: I say no, no no, right down your food before you 538 00:29:16,680 --> 00:29:19,680 Speaker 1: eat it. Um, All kinds of things are different about 539 00:29:19,680 --> 00:29:21,680 Speaker 1: what I'm teaching people to do, and I'm just saying 540 00:29:21,960 --> 00:29:24,440 Speaker 1: it works. Look at the published studies. There is not 541 00:29:24,640 --> 00:29:26,920 Speaker 1: and you will not find another weight loss program out there. 542 00:29:27,040 --> 00:29:29,200 Speaker 1: Go look it up the Journal of Nutrition and Weight Loss. 543 00:29:29,520 --> 00:29:33,400 Speaker 1: Multiple published studies about what we're doing, and we what 544 00:29:33,400 --> 00:29:35,200 Speaker 1: we what we're teaching people to do flies in the 545 00:29:35,240 --> 00:29:37,120 Speaker 1: face of everything you've heard out there. I say, don't 546 00:29:37,120 --> 00:29:40,000 Speaker 1: eat cookies. Give up, give up the eating cookies experiment. 547 00:29:40,040 --> 00:29:42,280 Speaker 1: If it hasn't worked for you for the last forty 548 00:29:42,640 --> 00:29:46,320 Speaker 1: thousand trials, right, why don't you just abort that experiment 549 00:29:46,400 --> 00:29:48,240 Speaker 1: and try the Like I don't. I'm a person who 550 00:29:48,240 --> 00:29:51,600 Speaker 1: doesn't eat cookies, right, try that on as an identity, right, 551 00:29:52,040 --> 00:29:56,000 Speaker 1: totally and again, Like I surprise myself, but I like 552 00:29:56,120 --> 00:29:58,160 Speaker 1: to think I have an open mind. That's I want 553 00:29:58,160 --> 00:29:59,920 Speaker 1: to get better myself. That's why I was so excited 554 00:30:00,240 --> 00:30:02,320 Speaker 1: to have you on. And I'm so excited to do 555 00:30:02,400 --> 00:30:05,000 Speaker 1: my job because I get to speak with people like 556 00:30:05,080 --> 00:30:06,920 Speaker 1: you and and make myself better and bring it to 557 00:30:06,960 --> 00:30:09,520 Speaker 1: other people. Like that's my goal. I have no my biases, 558 00:30:09,560 --> 00:30:11,640 Speaker 1: I want to live long. I'm gonna enjoy my life, 559 00:30:11,720 --> 00:30:13,920 Speaker 1: and I went the best science out there. So when 560 00:30:13,920 --> 00:30:15,320 Speaker 1: I was reading your book, I'm like, I get it. 561 00:30:15,360 --> 00:30:16,800 Speaker 1: And then I was thinking, like when I trained, I 562 00:30:16,840 --> 00:30:18,840 Speaker 1: do iron Man's you know, and things like that. I've 563 00:30:18,880 --> 00:30:20,480 Speaker 1: got my issues. I used to say it was cheaper 564 00:30:20,480 --> 00:30:24,160 Speaker 1: than therapy and realist. It's probably not. Um, but you know, 565 00:30:24,280 --> 00:30:27,520 Speaker 1: when I'm training for an event, I know exactly what 566 00:30:27,600 --> 00:30:29,680 Speaker 1: my schedule is the next day, I pretty much know 567 00:30:29,760 --> 00:30:32,440 Speaker 1: exactly what I'm eating, So it's no different. I mean, 568 00:30:32,480 --> 00:30:34,320 Speaker 1: you have the line page seventy two in your book 569 00:30:34,320 --> 00:30:36,800 Speaker 1: you say, high performance results don't just happen. They are 570 00:30:36,840 --> 00:30:40,920 Speaker 1: the consequence of consistent intentionality over a long stretch of time. 571 00:30:41,600 --> 00:30:43,640 Speaker 1: And what I loved about your book, Susan, is like, 572 00:30:44,080 --> 00:30:46,920 Speaker 1: I'm reading stuff to confirm my bias, right, I don't 573 00:30:46,920 --> 00:30:49,160 Speaker 1: want to find something totally new and go wait a minute, 574 00:30:49,160 --> 00:30:51,120 Speaker 1: didn't think of that. No, it's just getting people like 575 00:30:51,200 --> 00:30:53,920 Speaker 1: you who even though your your approach maybe a little 576 00:30:53,960 --> 00:30:57,040 Speaker 1: different or a lot different, it's still based on all 577 00:30:57,080 --> 00:30:59,040 Speaker 1: the things we talk about all the time. It's just 578 00:30:59,080 --> 00:31:02,200 Speaker 1: taking them and doing them a little differently. Right, Um, 579 00:31:02,600 --> 00:31:04,680 Speaker 1: And when we have to do them differently. As you said, 580 00:31:04,960 --> 00:31:09,200 Speaker 1: it's not working. Yeah, And you know what, I'm just 581 00:31:09,240 --> 00:31:11,800 Speaker 1: like you, Tom, I learned and grow to Um. It 582 00:31:11,880 --> 00:31:14,440 Speaker 1: drives my community nuts sometimes because I'll change my mind 583 00:31:14,480 --> 00:31:17,000 Speaker 1: about something and they'll be like, hey, that's not what 584 00:31:17,160 --> 00:31:19,480 Speaker 1: you've been teaching us, And I say, well, I learned 585 00:31:19,520 --> 00:31:21,880 Speaker 1: something new, and I and I you know, I gave 586 00:31:21,920 --> 00:31:24,000 Speaker 1: it the sniff test. Then I gave it the good, 587 00:31:24,440 --> 00:31:27,560 Speaker 1: good serious try on myself, and it's working. And then 588 00:31:27,560 --> 00:31:29,080 Speaker 1: I tried it with a whole bunch of other people 589 00:31:29,120 --> 00:31:31,520 Speaker 1: and it's working. And I'm telling you so. For here's 590 00:31:31,520 --> 00:31:34,600 Speaker 1: an example. When I first founded Bright Line Eating, I 591 00:31:34,640 --> 00:31:40,000 Speaker 1: had a no protein powder, you know, guidance rule whatever, 592 00:31:40,120 --> 00:31:42,680 Speaker 1: you know, no protein, no powders, just eat your food 593 00:31:42,720 --> 00:31:47,760 Speaker 1: in whole, real form period um. And then I forgot 594 00:31:47,760 --> 00:31:50,640 Speaker 1: a series of things happened, and you know, I started 595 00:31:50,640 --> 00:31:55,880 Speaker 1: lifting weights more, and um, anyway, I started trying a 596 00:31:56,240 --> 00:32:01,040 Speaker 1: very very clean protein powder, no artificial swee eatener's nor 597 00:32:01,240 --> 00:32:03,840 Speaker 1: you know, monk fruits, not no kinds of sweeteners at all, 598 00:32:04,360 --> 00:32:07,520 Speaker 1: Very very clean, very pure. And you know I don't 599 00:32:07,520 --> 00:32:09,560 Speaker 1: blend it up with a banana or anything. I just 600 00:32:09,680 --> 00:32:12,080 Speaker 1: shake it up in water and I drink it like medicine. 601 00:32:12,560 --> 00:32:15,840 Speaker 1: But what I noticed was not only was it not addictive, 602 00:32:16,160 --> 00:32:20,640 Speaker 1: it was anti addictive. Like it I learned what I 603 00:32:20,720 --> 00:32:22,520 Speaker 1: what I did was I read a book like called 604 00:32:22,840 --> 00:32:25,280 Speaker 1: how to Eat Like the Animals was the name of 605 00:32:25,280 --> 00:32:27,640 Speaker 1: the book, and it was about the science of protein powder, 606 00:32:27,720 --> 00:32:31,480 Speaker 1: of protein in general protein. And it's an incredible book 607 00:32:31,680 --> 00:32:33,640 Speaker 1: and it blew my mind. And I didn't know that 608 00:32:33,680 --> 00:32:36,160 Speaker 1: protein was the dominant appetite and that if I was 609 00:32:36,200 --> 00:32:38,920 Speaker 1: ever developing what I call starvation brain, where my brain 610 00:32:39,040 --> 00:32:40,800 Speaker 1: was going, is it time to eat? How about now? 611 00:32:41,200 --> 00:32:44,480 Speaker 1: How about now? How about now? Um? That I should 612 00:32:44,520 --> 00:32:47,160 Speaker 1: look at how much protein I was consuming? Right, And 613 00:32:47,240 --> 00:32:49,760 Speaker 1: so I did, and I started supplementing with a little 614 00:32:49,760 --> 00:32:51,760 Speaker 1: bit of protein powder. And now I recommend it, so, 615 00:32:52,240 --> 00:32:54,400 Speaker 1: you know, in my community, because we don't eat sugar 616 00:32:54,400 --> 00:32:56,880 Speaker 1: and flour, which are powders, you know. And I taught 617 00:32:56,920 --> 00:33:00,560 Speaker 1: people basically against just powders, just don't eat your food 618 00:33:00,560 --> 00:33:04,520 Speaker 1: in powder form. But this is an exception, you know, like, Okay, well, 619 00:33:05,480 --> 00:33:08,600 Speaker 1: I don't know it works. It's it's new science and 620 00:33:08,680 --> 00:33:11,160 Speaker 1: we all have to stay open minded. This is why 621 00:33:10,960 --> 00:33:14,480 Speaker 1: I take issue with people, you know, under certain circumstances, 622 00:33:14,600 --> 00:33:17,520 Speaker 1: castigating our politicians for flip flopping. So I'm like, hold on, 623 00:33:17,840 --> 00:33:20,960 Speaker 1: if the person is thinking and they've changed their minds, right, 624 00:33:21,360 --> 00:33:24,240 Speaker 1: isn't that a good thing? Right? What people who are 625 00:33:24,240 --> 00:33:27,360 Speaker 1: thoughtful and can go You know, I I never thought 626 00:33:27,400 --> 00:33:29,480 Speaker 1: of it that way before. I didn't know that. You 627 00:33:29,560 --> 00:33:32,320 Speaker 1: just exposed me to a whole bunch of new science. 628 00:33:32,480 --> 00:33:34,840 Speaker 1: And I'm grateful. And you see that in your book. 629 00:33:35,000 --> 00:33:36,840 Speaker 1: On numerous occasions you say that you're like I was 630 00:33:36,920 --> 00:33:39,520 Speaker 1: at this point in my career, you know, in the 631 00:33:39,560 --> 00:33:42,280 Speaker 1: bright Line eating and I learned this and I adopted that, 632 00:33:42,680 --> 00:33:44,760 Speaker 1: And that's so rare. That's so rare that you have 633 00:33:44,840 --> 00:33:48,400 Speaker 1: someone at your level who writes that, puts that out there. 634 00:33:48,760 --> 00:33:51,200 Speaker 1: But again, the goal is to put ego aside, and 635 00:33:51,360 --> 00:33:52,480 Speaker 1: you don't have to be right. You want to be 636 00:33:52,520 --> 00:33:55,000 Speaker 1: healthy right, and then and then you're right right and 637 00:33:55,120 --> 00:33:57,560 Speaker 1: if you actually realize that, wait, maybe there is something 638 00:33:57,640 --> 00:34:00,640 Speaker 1: to this. I always say if I or get a 639 00:34:00,640 --> 00:34:02,640 Speaker 1: pitch from someone who says you should never do this, 640 00:34:03,160 --> 00:34:06,640 Speaker 1: it immediately goes never like the two words that I 641 00:34:06,680 --> 00:34:09,040 Speaker 1: get from people like you all the time. From Dr 642 00:34:09,160 --> 00:34:11,319 Speaker 1: Lieberman on down Matt FITZGERALDO. The best of the best, 643 00:34:11,360 --> 00:34:14,600 Speaker 1: I would argue is ask him just about any question 644 00:34:14,600 --> 00:34:16,360 Speaker 1: that we're talking about here, the common questions, and what 645 00:34:16,400 --> 00:34:21,480 Speaker 1: do they say? It depends. And I saw that struggle 646 00:34:21,520 --> 00:34:24,640 Speaker 1: with you in your book. I saw that you're like, listen, listen, 647 00:34:24,719 --> 00:34:27,600 Speaker 1: you have you know J F T F P right, 648 00:34:28,000 --> 00:34:33,439 Speaker 1: just follow the freeding plan. But there is variants, there's variability, 649 00:34:33,520 --> 00:34:36,000 Speaker 1: and you gotta figure that out. And there in lies 650 00:34:36,040 --> 00:34:38,759 Speaker 1: the right right, And so you're saying, like, if you 651 00:34:38,800 --> 00:34:41,200 Speaker 1: follow this plan, it will work. Now I know that 652 00:34:41,239 --> 00:34:44,160 Speaker 1: you're gonna probably tweak, but if you tweak, it probably won't. 653 00:34:44,280 --> 00:34:46,680 Speaker 1: So just go into that like that. I read that 654 00:34:46,760 --> 00:34:49,400 Speaker 1: struggle with you. But that's the truly intelligent people. I 655 00:34:49,440 --> 00:34:53,239 Speaker 1: would argue. It's it's it's it's what gives birth to 656 00:34:53,280 --> 00:34:55,359 Speaker 1: the feeling as we age that we just know less 657 00:34:55,400 --> 00:34:59,560 Speaker 1: than less with each passing year. Right, it always feels 658 00:34:59,560 --> 00:35:01,719 Speaker 1: like we unlearned. It's like, oh God, I used to 659 00:35:01,760 --> 00:35:04,600 Speaker 1: be so certain about so much, you know, God bless 660 00:35:04,640 --> 00:35:07,400 Speaker 1: me in my twenties and thirties, and now my favorite 661 00:35:07,440 --> 00:35:10,640 Speaker 1: word is nuanced, because yeah, I mean, all the interesting 662 00:35:10,680 --> 00:35:13,799 Speaker 1: things are just they're nuanced they are. You know, the 663 00:35:13,840 --> 00:35:16,279 Speaker 1: more you know, the more you realize we don't know, right, 664 00:35:16,560 --> 00:35:20,279 Speaker 1: that's that's right, It's really true. It's really true. It 665 00:35:20,280 --> 00:35:22,720 Speaker 1: takes a long time to develop the kind of wisdom 666 00:35:22,719 --> 00:35:24,880 Speaker 1: and a certain area. And you know, I'm just grateful 667 00:35:24,880 --> 00:35:27,359 Speaker 1: that I've been I've had my nose down, you know, 668 00:35:27,640 --> 00:35:32,400 Speaker 1: studying this food addiction recovery, weight loss problem for a 669 00:35:32,440 --> 00:35:34,600 Speaker 1: long time now, and I've just seen a lot of 670 00:35:34,640 --> 00:35:37,120 Speaker 1: patterns and I'm just grateful to be able to help 671 00:35:37,160 --> 00:35:39,839 Speaker 1: people because this is something that's needed, you know, And 672 00:35:39,880 --> 00:35:42,640 Speaker 1: I'm I'm grateful to be focused on a problem that's 673 00:35:42,760 --> 00:35:46,239 Speaker 1: of significant importance in this day and age. We have 674 00:35:46,480 --> 00:35:50,960 Speaker 1: got to get some more workable stuff into this domain 675 00:35:51,239 --> 00:35:54,480 Speaker 1: of human endeavor, right and bright line eating may not 676 00:35:54,560 --> 00:35:57,160 Speaker 1: be perfect, but it is working. It is working for 677 00:35:57,200 --> 00:35:59,719 Speaker 1: a lot of people. And that's more than you can 678 00:35:59,719 --> 00:36:03,360 Speaker 1: say about most approaches to weight loss. There there is 679 00:36:03,400 --> 00:36:05,360 Speaker 1: no perfect I'm sure you'd agree, And it's as close 680 00:36:05,400 --> 00:36:08,640 Speaker 1: to perfect I would argue, because it's that struggle that 681 00:36:08,760 --> 00:36:11,520 Speaker 1: again you had with here's what I know works, here's 682 00:36:11,560 --> 00:36:15,040 Speaker 1: the science. Yes, there's gonna be a variability based on 683 00:36:15,480 --> 00:36:19,000 Speaker 1: numerous things, but you have to be very careful about 684 00:36:19,040 --> 00:36:20,960 Speaker 1: how you put that in there, and you keep going 685 00:36:21,000 --> 00:36:23,040 Speaker 1: back and go, if it works for you, it works right. 686 00:36:23,120 --> 00:36:28,640 Speaker 1: But what's working right? Um, I'll give you the lines. Yeah, 687 00:36:28,640 --> 00:36:31,920 Speaker 1: So you say, um, there was tremendous variation. You were 688 00:36:31,960 --> 00:36:34,279 Speaker 1: talking about people who had been successful. You realize in 689 00:36:34,320 --> 00:36:36,840 Speaker 1: one of your groups there was tremendous variation. But it 690 00:36:36,840 --> 00:36:39,240 Speaker 1: all goes back to that balance point. Find what works 691 00:36:39,280 --> 00:36:41,520 Speaker 1: for you. And then you say, the journey may have 692 00:36:41,560 --> 00:36:43,440 Speaker 1: its ups and downs, and we each take our own 693 00:36:43,520 --> 00:36:45,640 Speaker 1: unique path all the way, but at the end of 694 00:36:45,640 --> 00:36:47,960 Speaker 1: the day, what we're all aiming for is the weather 695 00:36:48,040 --> 00:36:52,359 Speaker 1: in our bright body and it's it's great. But what 696 00:36:52,400 --> 00:36:54,799 Speaker 1: you're saying is, at the very least, followed my plan 697 00:36:54,920 --> 00:36:58,239 Speaker 1: to a t for as long as you can, for 698 00:36:58,320 --> 00:37:01,280 Speaker 1: as long as you can, and and then you can discuss, 699 00:37:01,400 --> 00:37:04,279 Speaker 1: you know, the variation. Um. One thing I want to 700 00:37:04,280 --> 00:37:06,720 Speaker 1: talk about because you you get there and you're living 701 00:37:06,719 --> 00:37:09,400 Speaker 1: proof of it. And my whole career is about hope. 702 00:37:09,560 --> 00:37:12,680 Speaker 1: Right that you know people they give up hope right 703 00:37:12,719 --> 00:37:15,239 Speaker 1: because they've tried everything and they go, I can't do it, 704 00:37:15,719 --> 00:37:17,319 Speaker 1: and let me pull up the lines. I mean, you 705 00:37:17,360 --> 00:37:21,040 Speaker 1: have such a great take on it. Oh gosh, uh 706 00:37:21,400 --> 00:37:24,520 Speaker 1: not missing out right? So you talk about that how 707 00:37:25,600 --> 00:37:27,359 Speaker 1: and I was this way, We've all been this way 708 00:37:27,360 --> 00:37:28,799 Speaker 1: where you're like, well, if I cut back on this, 709 00:37:28,960 --> 00:37:31,240 Speaker 1: if I can't, you know, have nine glasses of wine 710 00:37:31,239 --> 00:37:33,120 Speaker 1: at a party, I'm not gonna be as fun. I'm 711 00:37:33,120 --> 00:37:35,520 Speaker 1: not gonna have as much fun. And you're like, no, 712 00:37:35,680 --> 00:37:37,720 Speaker 1: you have to be open to all of those things 713 00:37:37,760 --> 00:37:40,160 Speaker 1: that will be open to you that you have no 714 00:37:40,239 --> 00:37:43,920 Speaker 1: idea how much better it can be because you're not 715 00:37:43,960 --> 00:37:46,959 Speaker 1: doing those things, and your life will change in ways 716 00:37:47,000 --> 00:37:50,560 Speaker 1: that you are completely oblivious to. It will be better. 717 00:37:50,840 --> 00:37:54,160 Speaker 1: But you have to give a time. Yeah. Yeah, I 718 00:37:54,200 --> 00:37:56,960 Speaker 1: haven't had a drink in twenty seven years. You know, 719 00:37:57,080 --> 00:37:59,640 Speaker 1: I don't each other or flower ever. I don't eat 720 00:38:00,000 --> 00:38:03,280 Speaker 1: inside of meal times ever. And you know, just saying 721 00:38:03,320 --> 00:38:06,960 Speaker 1: Tom invite me to a party, I am not unfun. Yeah, 722 00:38:07,000 --> 00:38:09,600 Speaker 1: I'll just tell you right now, I am not unfun. 723 00:38:10,480 --> 00:38:12,279 Speaker 1: And I you know, I just laughed when people pull 724 00:38:12,280 --> 00:38:15,040 Speaker 1: out the alcohol and do you mind? And I'm like, 725 00:38:15,200 --> 00:38:17,080 Speaker 1: giddy up, baby, you need a few of those to 726 00:38:17,120 --> 00:38:20,960 Speaker 1: reach the point I'm already at. So So I always 727 00:38:20,960 --> 00:38:22,880 Speaker 1: say I have five brothers six boys. One of the 728 00:38:22,880 --> 00:38:26,840 Speaker 1: reasons I'm insane Irish Catholic family and uh, one of 729 00:38:26,880 --> 00:38:28,520 Speaker 1: my brothers stopped drinking and I said, you know what, 730 00:38:28,920 --> 00:38:31,280 Speaker 1: good for you? Awesome, but but now we know you're nuts. 731 00:38:31,480 --> 00:38:34,480 Speaker 1: Right before we could blame Like, now it's clear as 732 00:38:34,600 --> 00:38:38,040 Speaker 1: day that you don't have that excuse anymore and you're worse, 733 00:38:38,600 --> 00:38:42,040 Speaker 1: you know, But that's part of the beauty of life. 734 00:38:42,080 --> 00:38:44,040 Speaker 1: So I love that and and that's so hard to 735 00:38:44,080 --> 00:38:45,799 Speaker 1: get across to people, right, And that's why I get 736 00:38:45,840 --> 00:38:48,080 Speaker 1: so frustrated when I read or hear people say you 737 00:38:48,080 --> 00:38:50,520 Speaker 1: don't have control and that you know you're doomed, You're 738 00:38:50,560 --> 00:38:53,840 Speaker 1: doomed to be who you are, and that you can't change. 739 00:38:53,960 --> 00:38:57,320 Speaker 1: And that's why you're honesty with your story to start 740 00:38:57,360 --> 00:39:00,319 Speaker 1: and holy cow, like to go from what you you know, 741 00:39:00,600 --> 00:39:04,280 Speaker 1: endured to where you got academically and helping other people 742 00:39:04,520 --> 00:39:06,400 Speaker 1: like your living proof and that's what we need to 743 00:39:06,400 --> 00:39:09,000 Speaker 1: look at more. Are people such as yourself. But you're 744 00:39:09,000 --> 00:39:11,399 Speaker 1: not just an experiment of one, you know, you're giving 745 00:39:11,400 --> 00:39:13,799 Speaker 1: it to so many people. Yeah, that's right. We have 746 00:39:13,880 --> 00:39:16,600 Speaker 1: a we have a Facebook group. Um I think it's 747 00:39:16,600 --> 00:39:20,359 Speaker 1: called the Official Bright Line Eating Facebook group or Bright 748 00:39:20,440 --> 00:39:23,040 Speaker 1: Line Eating Official, Right Line Eating Official. Anyway, go in there. 749 00:39:23,080 --> 00:39:26,160 Speaker 1: There's tens of right now, there's sixty two people in 750 00:39:26,200 --> 00:39:28,160 Speaker 1: that group, and just go in there and say, hey, 751 00:39:28,200 --> 00:39:30,759 Speaker 1: I need some inspiration. Would y'all post your before and 752 00:39:30,800 --> 00:39:34,359 Speaker 1: after pictures? And you know hundreds of comments will come 753 00:39:34,440 --> 00:39:38,239 Speaker 1: up and it'll blow your mind. I mean, doing what 754 00:39:38,400 --> 00:39:41,080 Speaker 1: medical science is saying can't be done. People from class 755 00:39:41,080 --> 00:39:44,200 Speaker 1: three obesity now at a normal b M I and 756 00:39:44,320 --> 00:39:50,440 Speaker 1: have been there for years and they're just living happily, contentedly, gratefully, 757 00:39:50,440 --> 00:39:53,919 Speaker 1: bright in community with each other, just loving and being 758 00:39:53,960 --> 00:39:57,640 Speaker 1: loved and just they found the answer. They found a solution. 759 00:39:57,760 --> 00:39:59,719 Speaker 1: You know, there is a solution. You wanted to talk 760 00:39:59,760 --> 00:40:04,239 Speaker 1: about hope, and there is hope. There is hope. And 761 00:40:04,480 --> 00:40:08,200 Speaker 1: if you've been eating in a way that doesn't feel 762 00:40:08,200 --> 00:40:11,160 Speaker 1: an alignment with how you want to eat, if you're 763 00:40:11,160 --> 00:40:13,920 Speaker 1: carrying weight that you really have tried very hard to 764 00:40:13,960 --> 00:40:16,520 Speaker 1: get off and maybe have even pledged that you would 765 00:40:16,520 --> 00:40:19,160 Speaker 1: never try again to get it off, I just want 766 00:40:19,160 --> 00:40:21,440 Speaker 1: you to know your brain has been working against you. 767 00:40:22,320 --> 00:40:26,120 Speaker 1: The brain does actively block weight loss, and your attempts 768 00:40:26,480 --> 00:40:29,160 Speaker 1: um you know those failed attempts were not your fault 769 00:40:29,200 --> 00:40:32,120 Speaker 1: because you know, unless you have a plan that knows 770 00:40:32,120 --> 00:40:34,759 Speaker 1: how to outsmart Uh, those locks in the brain that 771 00:40:34,800 --> 00:40:38,400 Speaker 1: won't let that weight come off and stay off, you're doomed. 772 00:40:38,560 --> 00:40:41,120 Speaker 1: Right And just take a look at my first book, 773 00:40:41,160 --> 00:40:44,680 Speaker 1: bright Line Eating. It explains why what's different. Or just 774 00:40:44,680 --> 00:40:47,400 Speaker 1: just go to bright line eating dot com and try 775 00:40:47,560 --> 00:40:50,000 Speaker 1: the membership. It's twenty bucks a month. Like it just 776 00:40:50,360 --> 00:40:52,399 Speaker 1: it used to be a thousand dollars to do bright 777 00:40:52,440 --> 00:40:55,359 Speaker 1: Line Eating for the first six months. Now it's now 778 00:40:55,360 --> 00:40:58,840 Speaker 1: it's twenty bucks a month. Like you just can't get 779 00:40:58,880 --> 00:41:02,640 Speaker 1: a better value Planet Earth than that. Um, just give 780 00:41:02,680 --> 00:41:05,520 Speaker 1: it a try. You've got nothing to lose, worth every 781 00:41:05,560 --> 00:41:08,120 Speaker 1: pen a lot of weight and a lot of depression 782 00:41:08,160 --> 00:41:10,600 Speaker 1: and just you know, improving your life and worth every 783 00:41:10,600 --> 00:41:13,080 Speaker 1: penny a thousand dollars. And just let me read to 784 00:41:13,200 --> 00:41:16,880 Speaker 1: your point right from your book wrote this one down. Uh, 785 00:41:16,920 --> 00:41:19,920 Speaker 1: And so hold the outcomes very loosely and instead surrender 786 00:41:19,960 --> 00:41:22,520 Speaker 1: to the process. In the fullness of time, we're likely 787 00:41:22,560 --> 00:41:24,840 Speaker 1: to find that our bright identity rewards is in ways 788 00:41:24,880 --> 00:41:28,520 Speaker 1: that we can't get physically, mentally, spiritually, and emotionally. As 789 00:41:28,600 --> 00:41:31,960 Speaker 1: that happens, our notion of outcomes will expand beyond the beyond. 790 00:41:32,440 --> 00:41:33,880 Speaker 1: So I know this is kind of out there, but 791 00:41:33,920 --> 00:41:36,040 Speaker 1: it needs to be out there in the way that 792 00:41:36,239 --> 00:41:39,960 Speaker 1: you have to be open to this life that that 793 00:41:40,040 --> 00:41:42,160 Speaker 1: Susan is talking about, in this way of living, in 794 00:41:42,160 --> 00:41:45,279 Speaker 1: this way of eating. It is not deprivation. You've been 795 00:41:45,320 --> 00:41:49,160 Speaker 1: sold deprivation and it's individual to you. Um, but thank 796 00:41:49,200 --> 00:41:50,960 Speaker 1: you so much. I can't wait, so let me get 797 00:41:51,000 --> 00:41:55,440 Speaker 1: the books right. So the first book was and then 798 00:41:55,440 --> 00:41:58,680 Speaker 1: the second one is the official bright Lene Eating Cookbook. 799 00:41:58,760 --> 00:42:01,799 Speaker 1: That's it, okay, that's where. Um, I'm excited to get 800 00:42:01,800 --> 00:42:04,680 Speaker 1: that one. And then when you're flipping through that, we 801 00:42:04,719 --> 00:42:07,680 Speaker 1: can all hear you flipping with the pages is called 802 00:42:07,960 --> 00:42:10,680 Speaker 1: that's my insane notes that I've taken. I mean, if again, 803 00:42:10,760 --> 00:42:13,960 Speaker 1: I'm not on your my my desk and the walls 804 00:42:14,000 --> 00:42:18,200 Speaker 1: are covered with quotes and things from the book because um, 805 00:42:18,239 --> 00:42:20,080 Speaker 1: I need I need to I need to bring them up. 806 00:42:20,560 --> 00:42:25,120 Speaker 1: UM got it? Um yes, And it's spelled it's spelled 807 00:42:25,200 --> 00:42:29,280 Speaker 1: our eas z o o resoom do it fast resume. Yeah. 808 00:42:29,440 --> 00:42:31,520 Speaker 1: And how do people follow you social media all that 809 00:42:31,560 --> 00:42:33,520 Speaker 1: kind of stuff. I think the easiest thing is to 810 00:42:33,560 --> 00:42:36,319 Speaker 1: go to bright Line Eating Dot com b R I 811 00:42:36,440 --> 00:42:39,279 Speaker 1: g H T l I n E. Yeah, go there. 812 00:42:39,520 --> 00:42:41,839 Speaker 1: And because what you can do there is you can 813 00:42:41,880 --> 00:42:45,480 Speaker 1: take the quiz to find out how susceptible your brain 814 00:42:45,600 --> 00:42:47,319 Speaker 1: is to food addiction on a scale from one to 815 00:42:47,400 --> 00:42:49,719 Speaker 1: tend right, I'm a ten, Tom. It sounds like you 816 00:42:49,800 --> 00:42:52,839 Speaker 1: might be a two or a three or something low? Right, Um, 817 00:42:53,680 --> 00:42:56,760 Speaker 1: Can I be like a two and then attend like 818 00:42:57,320 --> 00:43:01,359 Speaker 1: I definitely have with other stuff? Yeah? Yeah, totally this one, 819 00:43:01,400 --> 00:43:03,480 Speaker 1: this one, this just addresses food, that's what you're saying. 820 00:43:04,280 --> 00:43:08,040 Speaker 1: I'm kidding. Yeah, I definitely am. I definitely am. You know, 821 00:43:08,120 --> 00:43:09,440 Speaker 1: you say it in the book, like there's people I 822 00:43:09,480 --> 00:43:11,239 Speaker 1: will buy food at the store, put it in the 823 00:43:11,239 --> 00:43:14,000 Speaker 1: back of the car and forget, you know. And so 824 00:43:14,160 --> 00:43:16,360 Speaker 1: as I was reading that, and that's so important, and 825 00:43:16,440 --> 00:43:18,279 Speaker 1: let me just say that to people who you know 826 00:43:18,760 --> 00:43:20,480 Speaker 1: might be like me. But start reading a book like 827 00:43:20,520 --> 00:43:22,080 Speaker 1: this and go, this doesn't apply to me, and you stop. 828 00:43:22,080 --> 00:43:24,040 Speaker 1: You go, no, there's so much in there. You don't 829 00:43:24,080 --> 00:43:26,080 Speaker 1: have to fit all this stuff to a t right. 830 00:43:26,200 --> 00:43:28,800 Speaker 1: Most people don't. And you're you're gonna take certain parts 831 00:43:28,840 --> 00:43:31,759 Speaker 1: of it. So I learned so much about other people 832 00:43:31,800 --> 00:43:34,480 Speaker 1: that I can apply to myself apply to people that 833 00:43:34,560 --> 00:43:37,200 Speaker 1: I know. So let's not live in that, I would argue. 834 00:43:37,400 --> 00:43:39,560 Speaker 1: Thanks to social media and stuff. Now you know that 835 00:43:39,640 --> 00:43:43,719 Speaker 1: echo chamber right where we have to learn and as 836 00:43:43,760 --> 00:43:46,040 Speaker 1: you said, like you and I both learn more and 837 00:43:46,080 --> 00:43:48,239 Speaker 1: more over time, and there be things we go. Okay, 838 00:43:48,480 --> 00:43:50,920 Speaker 1: I'm looking at that in a new way. Yeah, I 839 00:43:51,040 --> 00:43:53,160 Speaker 1: love it, love it. And there is there is a 840 00:43:53,160 --> 00:43:55,919 Speaker 1: lot for anyone, um, anyone on any kind of food 841 00:43:56,000 --> 00:43:59,520 Speaker 1: journey or life journey. Yeah, I mean there's so much. 842 00:44:00,040 --> 00:44:01,040 Speaker 1: You know, this is where I want to do like 843 00:44:01,040 --> 00:44:03,560 Speaker 1: a Joe Rogan five hour podcast, And I'm like, no, 844 00:44:04,040 --> 00:44:06,600 Speaker 1: I don't have the tember, but no one else does. 845 00:44:06,680 --> 00:44:10,319 Speaker 1: But you know, get the book reads and then have 846 00:44:10,440 --> 00:44:12,799 Speaker 1: me back. Can we do that? That's what we're doing 847 00:44:12,840 --> 00:44:18,000 Speaker 1: that absolutely, because um, I cannot recommend this book more highly. Again, resume, 848 00:44:18,239 --> 00:44:19,839 Speaker 1: I don't care who you are, I don't care what. 849 00:44:19,960 --> 00:44:22,040 Speaker 1: I don't care if it's even food. Because we're talking 850 00:44:22,080 --> 00:44:24,920 Speaker 1: about so much in here, just about the psychology of 851 00:44:24,960 --> 00:44:28,440 Speaker 1: behavioral change and motivation and and all that kind of 852 00:44:28,440 --> 00:44:32,080 Speaker 1: stuff self control and stuff you've been sold, Uh that's 853 00:44:32,120 --> 00:44:34,000 Speaker 1: not based in science, and and it's gonna make you 854 00:44:34,239 --> 00:44:37,040 Speaker 1: hopeful and that show you what you can control. And 855 00:44:37,080 --> 00:44:39,720 Speaker 1: that's what like so about. Thank you so much. I'm 856 00:44:39,760 --> 00:44:42,839 Speaker 1: I'm you know, I gotta get on this before we 857 00:44:42,920 --> 00:44:45,759 Speaker 1: keep going a little man now, I just you know, 858 00:44:46,080 --> 00:44:47,840 Speaker 1: I'll go off on a tangent. We'll be here for 859 00:44:47,880 --> 00:44:50,080 Speaker 1: five hours and you didn't sign up for that, but 860 00:44:50,120 --> 00:44:52,120 Speaker 1: we will have you back. Thank you so much, and 861 00:44:52,280 --> 00:44:55,600 Speaker 1: we'll speak with you soon to alright, have a great 862 00:44:55,680 --> 00:44:57,880 Speaker 1: day and we will be right back after this short 863 00:44:57,920 --> 00:45:13,760 Speaker 1: passage and we are back. Thank you again, Dr Thompson. Amazing. 864 00:45:14,719 --> 00:45:18,720 Speaker 1: I get carried away. I get I get worked up 865 00:45:18,800 --> 00:45:22,320 Speaker 1: in a good manic way when I talked to people 866 00:45:22,360 --> 00:45:26,640 Speaker 1: like Dr Thompson, and I laughed that she could hear 867 00:45:26,680 --> 00:45:30,720 Speaker 1: it and realize she could hear me moving my notes around. 868 00:45:30,920 --> 00:45:34,359 Speaker 1: And they're copious as always, those professors copious. I think 869 00:45:34,400 --> 00:45:36,759 Speaker 1: that was my Latin and philosophy professors. The same guy 870 00:45:36,840 --> 00:45:38,440 Speaker 1: scared the heck out of me in high school should 871 00:45:38,440 --> 00:45:42,400 Speaker 1: have been actually was teaching it. Yale take copious notes, Uh, 872 00:45:42,960 --> 00:45:47,439 Speaker 1: but I did. I mean, I feel so fortunate that 873 00:45:47,760 --> 00:45:52,040 Speaker 1: my location is my passion, and that my passion is 874 00:45:52,200 --> 00:45:55,719 Speaker 1: living as health fully as possible and learning as much 875 00:45:55,719 --> 00:45:58,680 Speaker 1: as I can from people like Dr Thompson and for 876 00:45:58,680 --> 00:46:00,320 Speaker 1: those people who are in this indust you have the 877 00:46:00,400 --> 00:46:03,880 Speaker 1: ego and this is the only way, like really really 878 00:46:04,400 --> 00:46:05,880 Speaker 1: to be really on it. Well, I don't need to 879 00:46:05,920 --> 00:46:10,280 Speaker 1: go there be positive. So I can't wait to read 880 00:46:11,600 --> 00:46:14,239 Speaker 1: the first book, and I will, and I'll bring it 881 00:46:14,280 --> 00:46:16,480 Speaker 1: to you and we'll have her back on because there's 882 00:46:16,520 --> 00:46:18,799 Speaker 1: so much good stuff in there, and I need you 883 00:46:18,840 --> 00:46:20,960 Speaker 1: to read it with an open mind because it's different. 884 00:46:21,880 --> 00:46:25,920 Speaker 1: It's restrictive, but is it that's her point? Is it 885 00:46:26,000 --> 00:46:28,600 Speaker 1: really restrictive because when you get to the point that 886 00:46:28,640 --> 00:46:32,440 Speaker 1: this works for you and the alternative is way more challenging. 887 00:46:33,239 --> 00:46:36,800 Speaker 1: But as I said, what really struck me was how 888 00:46:37,360 --> 00:46:39,680 Speaker 1: she still was saying and does say in that book, 889 00:46:40,480 --> 00:46:43,040 Speaker 1: here's the way, here's the way, and if you follow 890 00:46:43,080 --> 00:46:48,520 Speaker 1: the way, you will absolutely see results. Right follow the plan. 891 00:46:49,239 --> 00:46:52,960 Speaker 1: But there's gonna be some things. You go, can I 892 00:46:52,960 --> 00:46:55,399 Speaker 1: get away with this? Can I do that? And she says, 893 00:46:55,640 --> 00:47:01,200 Speaker 1: I get it, maybe, But here are the tools that's 894 00:47:01,200 --> 00:47:05,640 Speaker 1: really important. Here are the tools to determine how and 895 00:47:05,800 --> 00:47:09,239 Speaker 1: if that's really working for you. It's great, people, but 896 00:47:09,360 --> 00:47:13,799 Speaker 1: that's really important. And the final takeaway that we talked 897 00:47:13,840 --> 00:47:22,440 Speaker 1: about you better darn well have incredible hope for achieving 898 00:47:22,480 --> 00:47:26,560 Speaker 1: things not only that you want to, but that you 899 00:47:26,640 --> 00:47:31,759 Speaker 1: have no idea you can achieve. That was really not 900 00:47:31,840 --> 00:47:37,040 Speaker 1: well said, but you know my invention there. In other words, yes, 901 00:47:37,120 --> 00:47:40,280 Speaker 1: you can achieve not only the goals you want to achieve, 902 00:47:40,400 --> 00:47:42,960 Speaker 1: but when you are open and when you follow a plan, 903 00:47:43,800 --> 00:47:48,680 Speaker 1: what happens is magical. I'm living proof of that too, 904 00:47:49,560 --> 00:47:53,600 Speaker 1: making the changes that she outlines, as restrictive as they 905 00:47:53,640 --> 00:47:55,560 Speaker 1: may be. And this is for those of you who 906 00:47:55,600 --> 00:47:59,319 Speaker 1: need that. It works, it gets better. You heard it 907 00:47:59,320 --> 00:48:03,000 Speaker 1: in her voice and she said it. It's sustainable and 908 00:48:03,040 --> 00:48:08,440 Speaker 1: it's awesome, all right, because we control three things and 909 00:48:08,480 --> 00:48:10,359 Speaker 1: which we will put what we put into our mouths 910 00:48:10,400 --> 00:48:14,040 Speaker 1: and our attitudes. I'm gonna qualify that today by saying 911 00:48:14,120 --> 00:48:17,319 Speaker 1: she's going to show you in that book different ways 912 00:48:17,360 --> 00:48:21,000 Speaker 1: to do that, to control what you put into your mouth. 913 00:48:21,360 --> 00:48:22,880 Speaker 1: Because I say it at the end of every show, 914 00:48:24,480 --> 00:48:28,000 Speaker 1: it's really challenging for many of you. You gotta find 915 00:48:28,120 --> 00:48:32,919 Speaker 1: and here and have the tools to do that for yourself, 916 00:48:34,239 --> 00:48:37,440 Speaker 1: and they're out there. And one of those tools is 917 00:48:37,480 --> 00:48:43,120 Speaker 1: resume the powerful reframe to end the crash and burn 918 00:48:43,280 --> 00:48:48,080 Speaker 1: cycle of food addiction. Get it, read it, he let 919 00:48:48,080 --> 00:48:50,600 Speaker 1: me hear about it again. You want to reach out. 920 00:48:50,880 --> 00:48:53,320 Speaker 1: Tom h Fit is Instagram, tom h Fit is Twitter. 921 00:48:53,719 --> 00:48:56,560 Speaker 1: Fitness Disrupted dot com is the website you can email 922 00:48:56,680 --> 00:48:59,640 Speaker 1: me through there. Thank you one final time to Dr 923 00:48:59,719 --> 00:49:03,560 Speaker 1: Tom's sin and remember my only bias that I know of. 924 00:49:05,120 --> 00:49:06,960 Speaker 1: It's trying to bring you the best information so you 925 00:49:06,960 --> 00:49:10,120 Speaker 1: can live your best life and part of that listening 926 00:49:10,160 --> 00:49:14,040 Speaker 1: to people like Dr Thompson. I am Tom Holland this 927 00:49:14,120 --> 00:49:21,640 Speaker 1: is Fitness Disrupted, Believe in yourself. Fitness Disrupted is a 928 00:49:21,680 --> 00:49:24,880 Speaker 1: production of I Heart Radio. 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