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Speaker 2: Welcome to the Buck Brief. Our friend Joe Burrelli joins
Speaker 2: with us. He is the Sage of Staten Island, a
Speaker 2: man who needs no introduction, but we will give him
Speaker 2: one on this podcast anyway, because he is a city
Speaker 2: council member in New York surrounded by communists, holding the
Speaker 2: torture freedom and doing so for Staten Island. No less,
Speaker 2: we have our friend Joe Burrelli here with us. Mister Joe,
Speaker 2: good to see.
Speaker 3: You, always, good to see you, Buck. Thanks for having me.
Speaker 2: Okay, so I saw this. You know you got to
Speaker 2: give us the update and what's going on in America's
Speaker 2: biggest city. Because I saw this and there was a
Speaker 2: part of me that thought this can't really be real.
Speaker 2: But there's a law, a city statute, right that's under consideration,
Speaker 2: city ordinance whatever. That would mean that members of the NYPD,
Speaker 2: for any interaction direct interaction with the public while on duty,
Speaker 2: would have to note the race, gender, and age of
Speaker 2: the person they talk to. Can you give us first?
Speaker 2: Is that basically right, I mean bring us into this conversation.
Speaker 2: What's going on up there?
Speaker 3: Ye?
Speaker 1: So the city Council passed a local law for the
Speaker 1: city requiring the police department and their officers to basically
Speaker 1: fill out a checkbox form and an explanation or a
Speaker 1: level one stop. So NYPD, like many police departments, per
Speaker 1: case law, you know, years of Fourth Amendment, case law
Speaker 1: has three levels of stops. So level three is when
Speaker 1: you actually search someone. You go in their pockets, you
Speaker 1: search in their waistband, a little bit more invasive. The
Speaker 1: New York City Police Department already reports on those type
Speaker 1: of interactions as to who we are stopping and frisking,
Speaker 1: et cetera. The council passed a bill saying that now
Speaker 1: level two and level one investigatory questions will have to
Speaker 1: have the same basic treatment. So basically, if a level
Speaker 1: one stop could be anything like, you know, an officer
Speaker 1: going around with a picture of a missing kid saying, hey,
Speaker 1: have you guys seen this girl? She's missing sin yesterday.
Speaker 1: If they go up to a group of people and say, hey,
Speaker 1: have you seen this girl, that officer at the end
Speaker 1: of his or her tour has to actually go back
Speaker 1: and do paperwork one document for every person in the
Speaker 1: group she encountered and say their race, their gender, their ethnicity,
Speaker 1: and an explanation of why they ask them some sort
Speaker 1: of investigatory question.
Speaker 3: So it could be that kind of thing.
Speaker 1: It could be you're a police officer doing what you're
Speaker 1: supposed to be doing, you know, maybe going to a
Speaker 1: street corner where there's a high perpensity for crime and
Speaker 1: gang activity. Maybe you see a group of young males
Speaker 1: and you decide to go up to them and say, hey,
Speaker 1: what are you guys doing here? You know, there's been
Speaker 1: a lot of complaints around here, you guys behaving. Those
Speaker 1: sort of things that were for many years encouraged by
Speaker 1: police departments to embrace that's called community policing, are It's
Speaker 1: now going to be just ways to generate more bureaucratic paperwork,
Speaker 1: wasting more hours of police officers time Level one stops.
Speaker 1: There were something like eight point five million of them
Speaker 1: in the City of New York last year, so we're
Speaker 1: talking of hundreds upon hundreds and thousands of hours of
Speaker 1: police work. The sad thing is this is also a
Speaker 1: case where the Left just goes a little bit too far.
Speaker 1: They're never satisfied, the police department said, if you actually
Speaker 1: just limit this to level two stops, they said, basically, hey,
Speaker 1: you know, there's not that many Level two stops. They
Speaker 1: are a little bit more intrusive, and we'd actually be
Speaker 1: okay with this law. This is the direction the council
Speaker 1: wants to go in. But for the left, you know,
Speaker 1: no inch is good enough. They always want that mile.
Speaker 1: And now they're putting basically the public in jeopardy by
Speaker 1: requiring countless hours of nonsense every time an officer makes
Speaker 1: a general question to mever of the public.
Speaker 2: Joe, why do they want to do this? What's the
Speaker 2: real reason?
Speaker 3: Right?
Speaker 2: What do you think is behind trying to make it
Speaker 2: so that cops have to do these level one stops
Speaker 2: and record them.
Speaker 3: I think there's two schools of thought.
Speaker 1: One is that police departments and police officers are inherently racist,
Speaker 1: so we have to get to the bottom of who
Speaker 1: they're stopping, who they're questioning, and why. And that's one view.
Speaker 1: The other view is really even more extreme than that.
Speaker 1: It's that we don't want police officers to be engaged
Speaker 1: in our neighborhoods. We want police officers to almost not
Speaker 1: exist in the City of New Yorker in a lot
Speaker 1: of urban areas, and we're going to do everything we
Speaker 1: possibly can to impede the works that police officers do,
Speaker 1: because again going back to that first view, they're inherently racist, evil, fascist,
Speaker 1: you know, boot licking the whole nine yards. So if
Speaker 1: we can impede police officers, that's a win for the
Speaker 1: violent and vocal left.
Speaker 2: So it's meant possibly to just overwhelm the system. I mean,
Speaker 2: I remember when I had a friend who was working
Speaker 2: in the New York Manhattan District Attorney's office. He said
Speaker 2: that one of the things the activist, the anti cop
Speaker 2: activist you know groups and you know, lawyers associations, et cetera,
Speaker 2: we're very happy with was creating such a massive paperwork
Speaker 2: burden on district attorneys that they end up they they
Speaker 2: don't actually have the man hours to fill out the
Speaker 2: paperwork to prosecute people for lesser offensive so they just
Speaker 2: have to dismiss it.
Speaker 1: Right, And we always talk about bail reform as sort
Speaker 1: of the culprit of sort of the lawlessness that's happening
Speaker 1: in New York's major cities. But you're right, So the
Speaker 1: new discovery laws that were pasted the same time as
Speaker 1: the bail reform laws are in some ways a lot worse,
Speaker 1: so you're less assuming we even have a prosecutor that
Speaker 1: wants to prosecute. Certainly not Alvin Bragg, but there are
Speaker 1: other prosecutors in the other four boroughs who would like
Speaker 1: to to sort of ramp up their enforcement. From time
Speaker 1: to time, they have to make a choice, you know,
Speaker 1: do you allow prosecutor a do you allow them to
Speaker 1: waste you know, eight hours of their working day filing discovery,
Speaker 1: emotions and documentation for someone who's shoplifting or someone who
Speaker 1: committed some sort of a violent felony. Obviously you're always
Speaker 1: gonna go with the violence felon just about nine times
Speaker 1: out of ten. But that just means that people that
Speaker 1: are competing participating in repetitive, lower level crimes are just
Speaker 1: simply getting away with it. So they're getting out on
Speaker 1: no bail basically when they first get arrested because that's
Speaker 1: the law. And then when it actually comes time for
Speaker 1: them to show up in court, oftentimes these prosecutors, through
Speaker 1: no fall of their own, in many cases, have to
Speaker 1: plead down the case just because they can't possibly comply
Speaker 1: with the discovery requirements of prosecuting this particular person.
Speaker 2: I want to come back and ask you about how
Speaker 2: things are going for the Adams Administration New York City,
Speaker 2: And basically you're gonna have to tell me is it
Speaker 2: time for going to move back? Have they cleaned it
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Speaker 2: in my fair city? Are they locking up criminals and
Speaker 2: cleaning up the streets or what?
Speaker 3: Well, we're making a few more arrests.
Speaker 1: Look, Eric adams original in when it comes to the
Speaker 1: people of New York City is the migrant crisis. I mean,
Speaker 1: now he's trying to back himself out of it, But
Speaker 1: just eighteen months ago he was more than happy to
Speaker 1: stand at the Port Authority bus terminal and smile and
Speaker 1: greet people and promise them the entire world. Now, obviously
Speaker 1: he's trying to to sort of reverse that trend and
Speaker 1: get things under control, and a lot of people will
Speaker 1: never ever ever forgive him for that on crime though
Speaker 1: he really is not that bad.
Speaker 3: We were just at a gallo the other night for.
Speaker 1: Some of the big real estate moguls of New York City,
Speaker 1: a room full of billionaires and millionaires, and he leveled
Speaker 1: into these people and he actually gave a really good
Speaker 1: speech just talking about how nobody wants to come to
Speaker 1: New York City when the first question everybody asks is
Speaker 1: are the communities safe and the schools are good? And
Speaker 1: he gave this whole thematic speech on how we have
Speaker 1: to cut you know, obviously, you know, stop crime, and
Speaker 1: the crime numbers in fairness are down since he took off,
Speaker 1: so that is a good thing.
Speaker 3: He's right to tout that.
Speaker 1: However, you have a city council that's passing this bill
Speaker 1: that we're talking about him tooth and nail. They also
Speaker 1: passed the same day a ban on punitive segregation in
Speaker 1: Rikers Island jail. So now someone who stabs someone on
Speaker 1: video will essentially be put in a thirty minute timeout
Speaker 1: rather than be put in a solitary cell where they
Speaker 1: can't do themselves someone else or a correction officer armed.
Speaker 1: They're actually going to give them the same punishment that
Speaker 1: I give my eight year old when he says a
Speaker 1: four little word.
Speaker 3: I mean, this is the city that, unfortunately he has
Speaker 3: to navigate.
Speaker 1: And I give him credit for finally, after eight years
Speaker 1: of build a Blasio, finally saying the right things and
Speaker 1: focusing on public safety as an issue. I just wish
Speaker 1: we had a better system that he can allow the
Speaker 1: NYPD to do their jobs. We're actually stuck right now
Speaker 1: with state law where we have these you know, pro
Speaker 1: hamas protesters shutting down airports and shutting down bridges, and
Speaker 1: the NYPD is so restrained.
Speaker 3: We met with their legal bureau the other day and
Speaker 3: some of their chiefs.
Speaker 1: They are so restrained as to what they can do
Speaker 1: that even when you have someone that says, hey, let
Speaker 1: let's push the envelope a little bit, let's be more aggressive,
Speaker 1: the law is actually the limiting factor and not the
Speaker 1: able factor.
Speaker 2: What happens to people who block let's say, you know,
Speaker 2: the George Washington Bridge or something. I mean, what actually
Speaker 2: do they face as a as a punitive sanction in
Speaker 2: New York?
Speaker 3: Nothing?
Speaker 1: At the very best, if they push a cop back
Speaker 1: as they're being arrested, they get charged with an e felony,
Speaker 1: which is a bail ineligible crime. Eventually, the prosecutors can't
Speaker 1: keep up with discovery, so it'll be dismissed to a
Speaker 1: disorderly conduct ticket and nothing will happen to them. And
Speaker 1: you know, they have people We have heard these calls
Speaker 1: with these liberal groups, you know, prepping the the advocates
Speaker 1: quote unquote who are going to protest, and they are
Speaker 1: squared away with attorneys. They're ready to face any type
Speaker 1: of prosecutor. They're ready to back you up in court,
Speaker 1: ready to pay your fines. I mean, this is sort
Speaker 1: of when we talk about the Soros funding of liberal violence.
Speaker 1: The material result is that these people have lawyers, they
Speaker 1: have access to money, the fines get paid, et cetera.
Speaker 1: Nothing happens. I give credit to a prosecutor in Queen's
Speaker 1: Melenda Cats. She's a progressive district attorney by every other
Speaker 1: stretch of the imagination, but she pushed for federal charges
Speaker 1: when people drudge block the JFK entrance ramps. And I
Speaker 1: give her credit for that, for basically tying in a
Speaker 1: federal crime of obstructing an airport or something of that nature.
Speaker 1: So we do have some people pushing back, but we're
Speaker 1: so limited. We don't move back.
Speaker 2: Don't move back yet, All right, don't move back yet.
Speaker 3: That's good.
Speaker 2: What is this about a forty percent reduction in street
Speaker 2: trash can pickups? I saw this in the post and
Speaker 2: I thought, God's going to get very smelly and very
Speaker 2: messy very quickly.
Speaker 3: Joe.
Speaker 1: Yeah, this was one of the cuts that Adams had
Speaker 1: proposed to make with respect to the amount of money
Speaker 1: we spend on migrants. So two things happened since that announcement.
Speaker 1: Number one, I think the governor got the message and
Speaker 1: decided to give almost another billion dollars of state funding
Speaker 1: to the city for the purpose of, you know, meeting
Speaker 1: the need of needs the migrants. The other thing is
Speaker 1: that the economy has recovered a little bit better, and
Speaker 1: now we're predicting, like most economists around the country, more
Speaker 1: of a soft landing as opposed to a recession. So
Speaker 1: some of our projections, and rightfully so, we're based on
Speaker 1: a worst case scenario that really hasn't materialized. So now
Speaker 1: we can be a little bit more liberal with the money.
Speaker 1: So we're starting to restore some of these cuts. But
Speaker 1: going to like, you know, shorter basket pickup service would
Speaker 1: have been horrible.
Speaker 3: For most of New York City.
Speaker 1: It would have meant obviously more trash on the streets
Speaker 1: for longer, although that adds up to rats and roaches.
Speaker 3: And all sorts of things like that.
Speaker 1: So I'm glad the mayor made this cut as the
Speaker 1: rest of ration of the problem.
Speaker 3: But there's still a long way to go.
Speaker 1: We're still facing budgetary headwinds just not as much as
Speaker 1: we were about three months ago.
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Speaker 3: Joe?
Speaker 1: Well, it's still an unsustainable situation. You know, even with
Speaker 1: some of the cuts that were now restored by Mayor
Speaker 1: Adams and his administration, we're still spending more per day
Speaker 1: on migrants than we do on the Department of Sanitation
Speaker 1: and the Parks Department to two pretty critical uh uh
Speaker 1: city agencies, not just for our city but for any municipality.
Speaker 3: Uh. Again, this is not something that can keep going
Speaker 3: in the long term.
Speaker 2: I mean so Mayor Adams has said it might it's
Speaker 2: destroying the city. Is that fair?
Speaker 3: Yeah? I think it is fair.
Speaker 1: I think we got lucky with the recession not panning
Speaker 1: out and the governor giving more money, but it doesn't
Speaker 1: stop the problem. The problem is the spending and the
Speaker 1: unrestricted spending that seems to be happening. You know they're
Speaker 1: doing a decent job finally of giving sixty day eviction
Speaker 1: notices to some of these people. I know it's working
Speaker 1: because today, as we speak, some of my more liberal
Speaker 1: colleagues are outstanding in front of some homeless shelter protesting
Speaker 1: the mayor's sixty day eviction policy.
Speaker 3: So that's a good sign.
Speaker 1: Even though we've received more than one hundred and sixty
Speaker 1: thousand migrants at this point, right now, the population of
Speaker 1: people under our care is down to about sixty eight thousand,
Speaker 1: which means that a lot of people are getting out
Speaker 1: of the system.
Speaker 3: That's really what we need to happen.
Speaker 1: Unfortunately, the mayor knows this and he won't say it,
Speaker 1: but nothing's going to stop this until President Trump gets
Speaker 1: re elected. President Trump committed last night that he'll steal
Speaker 1: the border on day one. Nobody doubts that he will.
Speaker 1: Nobody doubts that the policies will change. I think a
Speaker 1: little part of Eric Adams is probably hoping that either
Speaker 1: Trump wins the election or that Biden, you know, finally
Speaker 1: wakes up and sees the reaction that most of America's
Speaker 1: large cities are facing problems larger than they've ever had.
Speaker 3: Happened before as a direct result of a federal failure.
Speaker 2: Joe Burrell, everybody, New York City Council, the most famous
Speaker 2: Staten Islander as far as I'm concerned. I don't know
Speaker 2: who else lives in Staten Island, but Joe BURRELLI is
Speaker 2: mister Staten Island. And come, here's us down here in Miami.
Speaker 2: All right, you gotta come hang out.
Speaker 3: We certainly will.
Speaker 2: Joe Brell, everybody. Good to see you, my friend.
Speaker 3: Thank you,