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Speaker 1: Revere Revere Dalks. Look at us now, tip to tip.

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Speaker 1: This is our life, this is our passion. That's the

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Speaker 1: spirit we bring to this show. I'm Luke Thomas, I'm

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Speaker 1: Brian Campbell.

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Speaker 2: This this morning Combat. Yes, let's go, Let's go. Hi everyone,

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Speaker 2: it is the twentieth of February March of twenty twenty three.

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Speaker 2: My name is Luke Thomas. I am one half of

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Speaker 2: your hosting duo for the best damn combat sports maybe

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Speaker 2: even sports podcast in the world. Thank you so much

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Speaker 2: for joining me. As I mentioned, Luke Thomas here authority

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Speaker 2: from the capital of Status of Needles right here in Washington.

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Speaker 3: D C.

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Speaker 2: Joined by the the AA himself, the King of ct

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Speaker 2: with all the CTE you could possibly stand. It's Brian Campbell. Hi,

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Speaker 2: Brian Campbell, Hi Luke Thomas.

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Speaker 3: I mean, does does porous dieting for you know, multiple

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Speaker 3: decades lead to CTE? I don't know it leads to

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Speaker 3: a black liver, I'll tell you that much, but uh,

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Speaker 3: you know it must be the factory water. I drag hey.

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Speaker 3: Happy to be back at it Monday, Luke UFC two

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Speaker 3: eighty six in the rear view. But a lot to

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Speaker 3: talk about today and obviously we start banging that drum

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Speaker 3: Luke for all things, right, Caleb Plant David Benavidez this Saturday, Uh,

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Speaker 3: maybe even all things uh you know Corey Sanhagen against

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Speaker 3: that other guy Luke.

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Speaker 2: You know, yeah, Cheeto Vera? Is that who you meant

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Speaker 3: But yeah, Marlon Vera.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, for mind everyone Showtime dot Com to get the

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Speaker 2: regular Showtime thirty day free trophy, like if you can

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Speaker 2: keep it, if not, you can bounce you know the trail.

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Speaker 2: But for this weekend, BC and I are going to

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Speaker 2: be on a bird. We're gonna go to Las Vegas

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Speaker 2: four Kayleb Plant versus David Benavidez. That'll be on Showtime

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Speaker 2: dot Com slash PPV to get your orders in for that.

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Speaker 2: That is gonna be a hell of a good time.

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Speaker 2: But but as you niicate to be see great boxing weekend

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Speaker 2: and of course there'll be some UFC. We'll get you

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Speaker 3: Well. Look, could we pick a busier week to slide

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Speaker 3: into to uh most izeleys Baseport there, Las Vegas. They're

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Speaker 3: since city. We're talking about what WW SmackDown Taylor Swift

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Speaker 3: at the Damn Dome The NCAA tournament in Vegas pay

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Speaker 3: per view boxing, John Cougar, Mellencamp. It's a big week, Luke.

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Speaker 2: Okay, where is where is? Uh? What's that song? Da

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Speaker 2: Da da outside to taste the Freeze?

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Speaker 3: Where is Where is Old Erry Bom? Yeah? Yeah, he's

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Speaker 3: been closing with that lately, Luke, seventy one years old,

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Speaker 3: he's still rocking. You know, I want to go to

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Speaker 3: two hundred and fifty dollars Vegas prices? I mean, do

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Speaker 3: we know anybody? Maybe the maybe the doorman's a donk Luke. Okay,

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Speaker 3: I'm Johnny Cougar.

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Speaker 2: I heard that the ticket prices for like these UFC shows. Oh,

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Speaker 3: Thousand people telling me it took him a thousand just

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Speaker 3: I don't think enough people are talking about it, like,

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Speaker 3: every month, sometimes twice a month. Luke, It's gonna cost

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Speaker 3: But is it worth it at least once? I'll tell

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Speaker 2: You know, people are paying for it. I mean, I

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Speaker 3: But either way, concerts, Luke, Saturday night, Philadelphia. You you

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Speaker 2: I did. I went and saw Vinnie Pass by the way, BCEE.

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Speaker 2: I got to see the last, probably the last Philadelphia

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Speaker 2: I got recognized a couple of times when I was there,

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Speaker 2: It was too cold? It was too cold, so I

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Speaker 2: In addition to all things I mentioned on showtime, of course,

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Speaker 3: Before we do, we have to Luke, I don't think

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Speaker 2: I am decidedly mediocre and you are decidedly bad. That's

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Speaker 2: So we both thought kamar Usman was gonna win. That's

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Speaker 3: Your thoughts, Yeah, you know, I wouldn't say I'm doing great,

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Speaker 3: The last time we said that term was about fifteen

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Speaker 3: But okay, bed okay, I'll see you at that concert

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Speaker 3: think at the end of the day, Luke, you know,

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Speaker 2: Well, I'd like to shit on you, but again, I'm

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Speaker 2: only better than terrible. That's what I am, Luke Thomas,

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Speaker 3: I'd like to welcome you to my Cleveland Steamer, but

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Speaker 3: I you know, I don't take those off for a

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Speaker 2: Believe me, Okay, I bet you don't. All right with

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Speaker 2: Leon Edwards defeats Kamara Usman via majority decision. It goes

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Speaker 2: He is a better fighter. I mean, this was the

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Speaker 2: was the performance of Leon Edwards's life. Ladies and gentlemen.

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Speaker 2: I've seen a lot of talk about the decline of Kamaru. Yes,

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Speaker 2: That does not explain the result. That helps explain the

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Speaker 2: the technical and strategic maturation of Leon Edwards. Both in strategy.

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Speaker 2: Here's what I mean. He was so much better. We

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Speaker 2: If you were kamar usman, it had to be pressure.

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Speaker 2: just Leon Edwards denied him so many times? How many

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Speaker 2: so you can really see how this evolution changed over time. Namely,

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Speaker 2: But by the third fight he went four four fifteen

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Speaker 2: the first fight, Leon Edwards landed three leg kicks. In

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Speaker 2: the second fight he landed thirteen. On Saturday at UFC

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Speaker 2: two eighty six, he landed fifty fifty leg kicks. That

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Speaker 2: is so important, not just for adding volume and then

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Speaker 2: Leon Edwards won this fight by being the better fighter

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Speaker 2: unlike the rematch, utterly unlike the first fight, and it's

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Speaker 2: because of the growth of Leon Edwards a most deserving

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Speaker 3: Barrian Campbell dude, Leon literally shut down everything Kamaru tried

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Speaker 3: Kamoraw was throwing those quick left hopes as Leon covered up,

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Speaker 3: Whether you agree with that framing of it or not.

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Speaker 3: But as soon as Camorrow comes out hot and getting

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Speaker 3: that moment where where Leon puts his hand out, meets

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Speaker 3: he was in great shape. He pushed a pace. But Luke,

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Speaker 3: why ultimately outside of just Leon cutting you know, cutting

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Speaker 3: Now you could say, physically with the with the you know,

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Speaker 3: of old and Russell Russell Russell. Yes, there was a

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Speaker 2: He was made to do that. He was made to

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Speaker 2: that's probably true. Here is what really Leon did. This

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Speaker 2: to kind of you know, lunge ebb from a range

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Speaker 2: They can be majorly consequential. Here's why when you come

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Speaker 2: You'll see really good fighters cheat this. They do it

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Speaker 2: when you do it all the time, when it becomes habitual,

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00:19:55,040 --> 00:19:57,320
Speaker 2: you get really heavy on your front foot and I

432
00:19:57,600 --> 00:19:59,680
Speaker 2: sometimes we will angle you right in front of your opponent.

433
00:20:00,040 --> 00:20:01,359
Speaker 2: The biggest thing is that when you land on the

434
00:20:01,400 --> 00:20:05,040
Speaker 2: front foot, you are now heavy. It prevents sometimes pivoting

435
00:20:05,600 --> 00:20:07,960
Speaker 2: and it brings you to your opponent in an off

436
00:20:08,000 --> 00:20:11,199
Speaker 2: balanced way right because you're just so heavy leaning on

437
00:20:11,200 --> 00:20:13,400
Speaker 2: that front leg. They took that away from him all

438
00:20:13,480 --> 00:20:16,479
Speaker 2: the time every time he tried to step into range.

439
00:20:17,000 --> 00:20:19,800
Speaker 2: That with the footwork where he's coming front foot very heavy.

440
00:20:20,119 --> 00:20:21,800
Speaker 2: That was when the leg kicks came. That was when

441
00:20:21,800 --> 00:20:23,680
Speaker 2: the angle change came, That was when the post and

442
00:20:23,760 --> 00:20:26,640
Speaker 2: turn came. All of it came from that. They were

443
00:20:26,680 --> 00:20:30,440
Speaker 2: able to time and weaponize the way in which Kamorrow

444
00:20:30,520 --> 00:20:33,440
Speaker 2: moves into Leon as a way to set up all

445
00:20:33,480 --> 00:20:37,960
Speaker 2: of Leon's attacks, most substantially kicking attacks, but more than

446
00:20:38,080 --> 00:20:40,480
Speaker 2: just that movement off of it, and Kamorrow had a

447
00:20:40,520 --> 00:20:43,720
Speaker 2: hard time closing that distance. He had a hard time

448
00:20:43,800 --> 00:20:46,400
Speaker 2: navigating it. So to your point, the takedowns didn't look

449
00:20:46,440 --> 00:20:49,640
Speaker 2: great because he was made to be further away. Also,

450
00:20:49,680 --> 00:20:52,720
Speaker 2: I'm going to point out the grip, the grip breaking

451
00:20:52,800 --> 00:20:55,600
Speaker 2: and the grip preventing ability of Leon Edwards was much

452
00:20:55,680 --> 00:20:57,760
Speaker 2: better this time, because even if he got up against

453
00:20:57,800 --> 00:21:00,119
Speaker 2: the fence, the minute that Kamorrow charged into him, what

454
00:21:00,119 --> 00:21:02,000
Speaker 2: did you notice he'd do? He would himp into it,

455
00:21:02,119 --> 00:21:04,600
Speaker 2: whizzer over fire the underhook, or at least do far

456
00:21:04,680 --> 00:21:08,600
Speaker 2: side risk control. He just had a much better down blocking,

457
00:21:08,720 --> 00:21:12,600
Speaker 2: much better distance management, and they timed the forward progression

458
00:21:12,800 --> 00:21:15,840
Speaker 2: of Usman to make it very difficult for him to

459
00:21:15,880 --> 00:21:18,439
Speaker 2: even begin to set up attacks. This is what I mean.

460
00:21:18,480 --> 00:21:22,080
Speaker 2: And folks want to deny Leon, I'm gonna say, I'm sorry.

461
00:21:22,119 --> 00:21:25,840
Speaker 2: I don't see that at all. Killed it on Saturday.

462
00:21:26,000 --> 00:21:28,400
Speaker 3: I don't say any of this to try to put that,

463
00:21:28,480 --> 00:21:31,200
Speaker 3: you know, American shade on Leon, and you know BC,

464
00:21:31,320 --> 00:21:34,159
Speaker 3: you're you know, you're always against the UK fighters sometimes

465
00:21:34,560 --> 00:21:36,520
Speaker 3: it turns that way, and I'm not getting I'm just

466
00:21:36,520 --> 00:21:40,280
Speaker 3: giving you analysis. I do think ultimately this was Leon

467
00:21:40,840 --> 00:21:42,480
Speaker 3: shutting him down at every turn, and I like the

468
00:21:42,480 --> 00:21:44,720
Speaker 3: way you broke that down. From a technical standpoint, do

469
00:21:44,840 --> 00:21:47,320
Speaker 3: you agree at all with with sort of my way

470
00:21:47,359 --> 00:21:49,879
Speaker 3: of looking through what I saw and trying to figure

471
00:21:49,880 --> 00:21:52,359
Speaker 3: out some other elements to this. We've never seen Kamorrow

472
00:21:52,440 --> 00:21:56,240
Speaker 3: Usman have to come from behind. We've seen him, you

473
00:21:56,280 --> 00:21:57,720
Speaker 3: know in this this is what happens. I don't do

474
00:21:57,720 --> 00:21:59,879
Speaker 3: I think Kamara Usman is a front runner. No, but

475
00:22:00,080 --> 00:22:02,639
Speaker 3: when you have a long stretch of dominating people on

476
00:22:02,760 --> 00:22:06,320
Speaker 3: your own terms, that can sometimes become it because you

477
00:22:06,359 --> 00:22:10,720
Speaker 3: haven't had the necessity to make changes to the second, third, fourth,

478
00:22:10,760 --> 00:22:12,879
Speaker 3: gear or game plan. Now, look, it doesn't mean he

479
00:22:12,880 --> 00:22:14,879
Speaker 3: hasn't had close fights. The first fight with Colby was

480
00:22:14,920 --> 00:22:17,320
Speaker 3: a kickbob, you know, largely a boxing match, back and

481
00:22:17,359 --> 00:22:21,160
Speaker 3: forth until ultimately one guy broke. Yeah, one guy broke

482
00:22:21,200 --> 00:22:22,760
Speaker 3: at the end, he broken jaw, and you know the

483
00:22:22,760 --> 00:22:25,800
Speaker 3: referee jumped in, So that might be part of it.

484
00:22:25,880 --> 00:22:29,040
Speaker 3: But I think ultimately, for Camorrow, the worst thing that

485
00:22:29,040 --> 00:22:30,640
Speaker 3: happened to him, And tell me if I'm way off

486
00:22:30,640 --> 00:22:34,320
Speaker 3: on this is all the fouling and ultimately the point

487
00:22:34,400 --> 00:22:38,240
Speaker 3: deduction from Leon. Why because it made the fight closer

488
00:22:38,600 --> 00:22:42,439
Speaker 3: in Kamorrow's mind than it necessarily, not necessarily would have

489
00:22:42,600 --> 00:22:45,280
Speaker 3: been if he doesn't lose that point. If that third

490
00:22:45,359 --> 00:22:47,200
Speaker 3: round is let's say, you know close enough where you

491
00:22:47,200 --> 00:22:49,320
Speaker 3: could go either way. And then he goes back to

492
00:22:49,359 --> 00:22:51,919
Speaker 3: the corner with with with his coaching team and they

493
00:22:51,960 --> 00:22:55,000
Speaker 3: may have to give him the same speech Leon's coach

494
00:22:55,080 --> 00:22:58,000
Speaker 3: gave him before round five of the second fight. Luke,

495
00:22:58,080 --> 00:23:02,280
Speaker 3: maybe ultimately the point deduction in this fight, being technically

496
00:23:02,320 --> 00:23:06,120
Speaker 3: contested on fairly close terms, turned out to be the

497
00:23:06,160 --> 00:23:09,600
Speaker 3: wrong result for Tomorrow because it never challenged him to

498
00:23:09,680 --> 00:23:13,840
Speaker 3: find another game plan, gear, or anything different than I'm

499
00:23:13,880 --> 00:23:16,000
Speaker 3: going to back you up with my jab and try

500
00:23:16,000 --> 00:23:18,520
Speaker 3: to land right hands that really never were there, and

501
00:23:18,600 --> 00:23:21,080
Speaker 3: I'm gonna shoot at times but get stuffed or get

502
00:23:21,320 --> 00:23:24,120
Speaker 3: raised back up right away. Because if there's one thing

503
00:23:24,160 --> 00:23:27,840
Speaker 3: he lacked Luke, it was that next level gear urgency.

504
00:23:28,080 --> 00:23:30,639
Speaker 3: Is some of that delayed by age maybe, but I

505
00:23:30,640 --> 00:23:34,000
Speaker 3: think the circumstances almost conspired against him because when have

506
00:23:34,000 --> 00:23:36,879
Speaker 3: you seen Tomorrow have to go to another level to

507
00:23:36,880 --> 00:23:38,439
Speaker 3: pull out a fight. It just hasn't been part of

508
00:23:38,480 --> 00:23:38,959
Speaker 3: his journey.

509
00:23:39,480 --> 00:23:41,159
Speaker 2: I think, I mean, there might be something to that.

510
00:23:41,200 --> 00:23:43,280
Speaker 2: I can't say that's a crazy theory. I think that

511
00:23:43,600 --> 00:23:45,440
Speaker 2: we should talk about the fouling of Leon for a second,

512
00:23:45,480 --> 00:23:48,119
Speaker 2: because I called it a masterful performance. But for that

513
00:23:48,200 --> 00:23:50,240
Speaker 2: I think that that is just without doubt. When you

514
00:23:50,400 --> 00:23:53,600
Speaker 2: began to look at the fouling, you know, it changes

515
00:23:53,720 --> 00:23:55,840
Speaker 2: the picture a little bit. And certainly I went back

516
00:23:55,840 --> 00:23:58,520
Speaker 2: and watched the second fight. Kamara was complaining about fouls there.

517
00:23:58,640 --> 00:24:00,159
Speaker 2: I mean, we should say something. I'm not even been

518
00:24:00,200 --> 00:24:02,720
Speaker 2: mad at Kamorrow, but I think that some of those

519
00:24:02,760 --> 00:24:07,200
Speaker 2: fouls were very legitimate. I'm glad that referee Herbdean took

520
00:24:07,240 --> 00:24:09,439
Speaker 2: a point in the third round. I believe it was

521
00:24:09,440 --> 00:24:12,800
Speaker 2: for the fence grab that was very blatant, and Leon

522
00:24:12,920 --> 00:24:15,120
Speaker 2: deserved to have a point taken from him fair enough.

523
00:24:16,080 --> 00:24:19,159
Speaker 2: On the other hand, I'm just not really willing to

524
00:24:19,200 --> 00:24:21,679
Speaker 2: believe that that is the defining reason why he went

525
00:24:21,800 --> 00:24:23,800
Speaker 2: not saying that's what you're saying, but just to be

526
00:24:23,880 --> 00:24:26,600
Speaker 2: put it out there. It could it have put him

527
00:24:26,640 --> 00:24:28,359
Speaker 2: in a mental state where he didn't have to rally

528
00:24:28,400 --> 00:24:32,119
Speaker 2: and therefore, you know, there was nothing making him go

529
00:24:32,200 --> 00:24:35,760
Speaker 2: to the next level. It could be true. I just

530
00:24:35,800 --> 00:24:38,639
Speaker 2: think he's also out of ideas a little bit. Right

531
00:24:38,680 --> 00:24:41,840
Speaker 2: like Leon Leon, who is he the only guy to

532
00:24:41,880 --> 00:24:44,360
Speaker 2: fight Kamorrow three times? I think that he is right,

533
00:24:44,400 --> 00:24:47,320
Speaker 2: So he's had several cracks at this in a way

534
00:24:47,359 --> 00:24:50,479
Speaker 2: where you might like his chances. Imagine if Kolby had

535
00:24:50,480 --> 00:24:52,480
Speaker 2: a third crack at Kamoru, Like, you get three cracks

536
00:24:52,520 --> 00:24:54,359
Speaker 2: at a guy like that, you're gonna be able to

537
00:24:54,359 --> 00:24:57,879
Speaker 2: switch up enough stuff to be able to to really

538
00:24:58,359 --> 00:25:01,080
Speaker 2: home in on a very very detail game plan, a

539
00:25:01,160 --> 00:25:03,280
Speaker 2: very specific one. And again at thirty five thirty six,

540
00:25:03,359 --> 00:25:05,600
Speaker 2: you see, it's like, people like, why didn't Comar to

541
00:25:05,640 --> 00:25:07,280
Speaker 2: do this? Why didn't Comar do that? Dude, he's at

542
00:25:07,280 --> 00:25:09,000
Speaker 2: the age he's at. There are some certain limits with that,

543
00:25:09,080 --> 00:25:11,760
Speaker 2: But on top of it, what was it you wanted

544
00:25:11,800 --> 00:25:15,720
Speaker 2: him to do that he that was reasonably within his limits.

545
00:25:16,000 --> 00:25:18,080
Speaker 2: If every time you're trying to get close to a guy,

546
00:25:18,080 --> 00:25:20,840
Speaker 2: he's kicking your legs out, pushing you backwards on the move,

547
00:25:21,240 --> 00:25:23,880
Speaker 2: he's clinch breaking, he's fighting your hands, you can't make

548
00:25:23,920 --> 00:25:26,800
Speaker 2: grips on him, right, you can't make grips on him,

549
00:25:27,600 --> 00:25:30,960
Speaker 2: you know, like the other guy's just fucking better. I

550
00:25:30,960 --> 00:25:32,520
Speaker 2: don't I mean, I don't know why people can't just

551
00:25:32,560 --> 00:25:35,960
Speaker 2: say that Leon has always been a guy where he

552
00:25:36,000 --> 00:25:38,480
Speaker 2: didn't have a dazzling game in the sense that he

553
00:25:38,520 --> 00:25:42,359
Speaker 2: had again prior to the second fight, an array of knockouts,

554
00:25:42,400 --> 00:25:45,719
Speaker 2: an array of submissions like this devastating finisher. He's been

555
00:25:45,720 --> 00:25:48,520
Speaker 2: a guy who could always play the levels. You saw

556
00:25:48,560 --> 00:25:52,120
Speaker 2: that out here to the nth degree. It was marred

557
00:25:52,160 --> 00:25:54,560
Speaker 2: by some of the lack of discipline. But the last

558
00:25:54,560 --> 00:25:56,720
Speaker 2: thing I'd say on that BC is, come on, Kamorrow's

559
00:25:56,760 --> 00:25:58,639
Speaker 2: a vet, and I ain't mad at him for it,

560
00:25:58,840 --> 00:26:02,120
Speaker 2: but he milked some of those fouls. Some of those

561
00:26:02,200 --> 00:26:05,800
Speaker 2: were a little bit him, you know, playing the veterans benefit.

562
00:26:05,880 --> 00:26:10,680
Speaker 3: Leon ultimately benefited from it, right that to some degree, Luke,

563
00:26:11,200 --> 00:26:13,399
Speaker 3: it shows because like I almost felt like, to some

564
00:26:13,440 --> 00:26:15,320
Speaker 3: degree Leon had to do that. There was some element

565
00:26:15,320 --> 00:26:18,840
Speaker 3: where he had to stand up to the bully because usman, okay,

566
00:26:19,040 --> 00:26:21,000
Speaker 3: am I saying he had to follow to do that. No,

567
00:26:21,119 --> 00:26:23,000
Speaker 3: but when you're playing into the idea here is Tomorrow

568
00:26:23,080 --> 00:26:25,680
Speaker 3: tried everything mentally to get in his head right, talking

569
00:26:25,760 --> 00:26:27,840
Speaker 3: down to him throughout the whole build up, trash talking,

570
00:26:28,000 --> 00:26:30,119
Speaker 3: trying to get in his face multiple times, including at

571
00:26:30,119 --> 00:26:32,199
Speaker 3: the end of the first and second round, trying to

572
00:26:32,200 --> 00:26:34,080
Speaker 3: start the round right in his face. A lot of

573
00:26:34,080 --> 00:26:36,560
Speaker 3: this stuff. I just wonder, Look, that was Leon showing

574
00:26:36,640 --> 00:26:40,080
Speaker 3: back that you're not gonna man handle me mentally or physically.

575
00:26:40,359 --> 00:26:42,120
Speaker 3: But I do think, like I had just broken down,

576
00:26:42,240 --> 00:26:44,479
Speaker 3: that it ultimately led to it feeling like a closer

577
00:26:44,520 --> 00:26:47,399
Speaker 3: fight maybe than it was for tomorrow. And look, he

578
00:26:47,520 --> 00:26:51,159
Speaker 3: just for whatever reason, all reasons combined, Tomorrow didn't have

579
00:26:51,200 --> 00:26:52,800
Speaker 3: that extra gear he didn't have. I mean, I just

580
00:26:52,880 --> 00:26:55,119
Speaker 3: wonder when he goes to the scorecards with his hands raised,

581
00:26:55,840 --> 00:26:58,440
Speaker 3: and again, was a close fight? Could you have given

582
00:26:58,480 --> 00:27:01,200
Speaker 3: it Usman by one point? There's a way you could

583
00:27:01,240 --> 00:27:03,040
Speaker 3: have made that mass work based on how you watched it.

584
00:27:03,080 --> 00:27:05,920
Speaker 3: I'm not saying I would recommend that, but I don't

585
00:27:05,920 --> 00:27:08,399
Speaker 3: know if Husman could can consit alone after this and

586
00:27:08,760 --> 00:27:12,520
Speaker 3: really believe he had done enough to win. Don't you know?

587
00:27:12,720 --> 00:27:16,040
Speaker 3: Just pressuring someone backwards is not enough. Working a jab

588
00:27:16,119 --> 00:27:18,199
Speaker 3: is not enough. So, Luke, I don't want to be

589
00:27:18,320 --> 00:27:20,560
Speaker 3: labor the idea of what Usman didn't do, because again

590
00:27:20,560 --> 00:27:23,120
Speaker 3: I spent most of the reaction show late Saturday talking

591
00:27:23,119 --> 00:27:25,199
Speaker 3: to you about what Leon did do. But in a

592
00:27:25,359 --> 00:27:29,920
Speaker 3: larger sense, is aggressive wrestling just not a sustainable style

593
00:27:30,200 --> 00:27:33,480
Speaker 3: for a mid to late thirties elite mixed martial artist.

594
00:27:33,560 --> 00:27:37,199
Speaker 3: Did Hobib get out at the right time, Luke, although

595
00:27:37,240 --> 00:27:38,920
Speaker 3: not for that reason. Do you know what I'm saying,

596
00:27:38,960 --> 00:27:42,040
Speaker 3: Because I asked DC to do things in his early

597
00:27:42,080 --> 00:27:45,480
Speaker 3: forties against Depa that apparently just more physically possible to

598
00:27:46,080 --> 00:27:48,359
Speaker 3: keep that gas tank going for twenty five minutes and

599
00:27:48,400 --> 00:27:49,479
Speaker 3: try to grind people.

600
00:27:50,760 --> 00:27:53,919
Speaker 2: I mean, I thought Leon was somewhat physically fading in

601
00:27:53,960 --> 00:27:56,520
Speaker 2: the fifth somewhat. If you go back and look, he's

602
00:27:56,560 --> 00:27:59,639
Speaker 2: a lot more move and stop, which he did throughout

603
00:27:59,640 --> 00:28:01,679
Speaker 2: the first, but he's a lot more like that in

604
00:28:01,720 --> 00:28:05,240
Speaker 2: the fifth. But again, I just think that Kamaru met

605
00:28:05,240 --> 00:28:07,120
Speaker 2: his match. All the time, when you see a dominant

606
00:28:07,119 --> 00:28:09,359
Speaker 2: figure like this lose, everyone wants to go to some

607
00:28:09,480 --> 00:28:11,560
Speaker 2: kind of explanation to say, oh, this is why it's different.

608
00:28:11,640 --> 00:28:14,639
Speaker 2: They were at elevation last time and now they weren't.

609
00:28:14,680 --> 00:28:17,560
Speaker 2: So you know, Leon somehow has better cardio and Camoras

610
00:28:17,680 --> 00:28:20,040
Speaker 2: is always good. Does this explain the difference? I'm sure

611
00:28:20,080 --> 00:28:23,120
Speaker 2: it helped. I don't think it explains the difference the fouling.

612
00:28:23,119 --> 00:28:25,800
Speaker 2: Could that have mentally rattled or somehow changed the game

613
00:28:25,840 --> 00:28:28,879
Speaker 2: plan of Kamorrow or certainly his expectations anyway for what

614
00:28:28,920 --> 00:28:31,000
Speaker 2: was happening, probably to some extent, I don't think that

615
00:28:31,040 --> 00:28:34,719
Speaker 2: explains it. In the end, the simplest explanation is typically

616
00:28:34,800 --> 00:28:37,399
Speaker 2: the right one, right Okham's razor. The simple explanation, guys,

617
00:28:37,720 --> 00:28:41,000
Speaker 2: is on Saturday night, Leon was for the vast majority

618
00:28:41,040 --> 00:28:45,680
Speaker 2: of that fight fouling, notwithstanding much better, he was much better.

619
00:28:45,880 --> 00:28:47,440
Speaker 2: And again this is a guy Me and you right

620
00:28:47,480 --> 00:28:49,800
Speaker 2: heading into the fight were like, Okay, he performed well

621
00:28:49,800 --> 00:28:52,520
Speaker 2: in the second fight, but I just didn't see enough. Okay,

622
00:28:52,800 --> 00:28:55,800
Speaker 2: now I have seen enough. Now he has convinced me.

623
00:28:55,920 --> 00:28:58,520
Speaker 2: This was a for me, not a doubt or a

624
00:28:58,520 --> 00:29:01,160
Speaker 2: skeptic of Leon, but someone who had some questions about

625
00:29:01,160 --> 00:29:04,800
Speaker 2: what his true ceiling was. Yeah. Boy, he made a

626
00:29:05,080 --> 00:29:06,200
Speaker 2: raised spot for that.

627
00:29:06,280 --> 00:29:08,720
Speaker 3: He raised that ceiling, and that's where you give him credit.

628
00:29:08,840 --> 00:29:11,600
Speaker 3: And oh, by the way, Luke, although that lightning never

629
00:29:11,640 --> 00:29:13,840
Speaker 3: struck twice with the head kick, I got to give

630
00:29:13,920 --> 00:29:17,160
Speaker 3: lee On a lot of credit for establishing the foundation

631
00:29:17,240 --> 00:29:19,920
Speaker 3: with those jumping knees and how close he came a

632
00:29:19,960 --> 00:29:22,080
Speaker 3: couple times for the high kick of that Camaro block

633
00:29:22,760 --> 00:29:24,800
Speaker 3: that you fuck around, you try to bully me, that's

634
00:29:24,800 --> 00:29:28,960
Speaker 3: going to be there. So ultimately you know why it

635
00:29:29,000 --> 00:29:32,600
Speaker 3: wasn't Usban Moore urgent in some key areas because Edwards

636
00:29:32,640 --> 00:29:36,440
Speaker 3: established that I'm quicker, I've studied you better, and I

637
00:29:36,480 --> 00:29:38,120
Speaker 3: could get you out of here a second time if

638
00:29:38,120 --> 00:29:39,680
Speaker 3: that happened. So yeah, at the end of the day,

639
00:29:40,720 --> 00:29:42,560
Speaker 3: shout out to Rocky Luke on the same weekend, and

640
00:29:42,600 --> 00:29:45,240
Speaker 3: I finally wrapped up this Rocky and Creed journey after

641
00:29:45,560 --> 00:29:49,320
Speaker 3: nine movies. Leon, Rocky Edwards not a one hit wonder,

642
00:29:49,640 --> 00:29:52,440
Speaker 3: thirty one years old, peak of his prime. You're welserweight

643
00:29:52,560 --> 00:29:54,760
Speaker 3: champion and now it's time to talk about Luke. What

644
00:29:54,800 --> 00:29:55,760
Speaker 3: the hell is next?

645
00:29:56,160 --> 00:29:57,640
Speaker 2: Well, and last thing on this I asked you about

646
00:29:57,640 --> 00:29:59,160
Speaker 2: to stay of the rivalry. Do you remember last week

647
00:29:59,200 --> 00:30:00,800
Speaker 2: when I was like, you know, in some ways Leon

648
00:30:00,840 --> 00:30:06,000
Speaker 2: has become like the dominant rival of Kumaru. I still

649
00:30:06,080 --> 00:30:07,960
Speaker 2: I definitely feel that. I feel that way even more

650
00:30:08,000 --> 00:30:09,760
Speaker 2: now than I did last week. I mean, he's got

651
00:30:09,800 --> 00:30:12,480
Speaker 2: two wins over the guy. I guess to your point,

652
00:30:12,480 --> 00:30:14,880
Speaker 2: it doesn't change the reality that Kolby was a more

653
00:30:16,400 --> 00:30:20,560
Speaker 2: celebrated rival and sort of engroomed for that position. But

654
00:30:20,640 --> 00:30:23,320
Speaker 2: in the end it was Leon Edwards who solved the puzzle,

655
00:30:23,600 --> 00:30:26,040
Speaker 2: and eventually all the champions get solved. We saw it

656
00:30:26,080 --> 00:30:28,680
Speaker 2: with the Valentina, like you're gonna get solved. There's too

657
00:30:28,760 --> 00:30:30,400
Speaker 2: much we talk about last week, right, we should bring

658
00:30:30,440 --> 00:30:32,800
Speaker 2: it up again. How much tape is there on Kamaru?

659
00:30:32,880 --> 00:30:35,720
Speaker 2: And if you're Leon, you had basically, because it ended

660
00:30:35,760 --> 00:30:37,880
Speaker 2: at fifty seconds of the fifth round the second time,

661
00:30:38,160 --> 00:30:42,280
Speaker 2: you basically had eight rounds of practice heading into this contest.

662
00:30:42,760 --> 00:30:45,240
Speaker 2: And sometimes that's not enough for people, but it was

663
00:30:45,360 --> 00:30:48,240
Speaker 2: enough for him. He really proved himself to be more

664
00:30:48,280 --> 00:30:50,320
Speaker 2: than a worthy adversary. He proved himself to be the

665
00:30:50,360 --> 00:30:54,120
Speaker 2: adversary to this point anyway of Kamar Usman's career. And

666
00:30:54,160 --> 00:30:58,040
Speaker 2: it's a remarkable achievement. All right, you see, let's talk

667
00:30:58,040 --> 00:31:04,040
Speaker 2: about point number two. Okay. Colby Covington featured quite prominently

668
00:31:04,080 --> 00:31:06,200
Speaker 2: in this event in a way that none of us

669
00:31:06,200 --> 00:31:07,640
Speaker 2: had expected. I think someone asked me in my live

670
00:31:07,680 --> 00:31:09,000
Speaker 2: chat last week, like where's Colby? And I was like,

671
00:31:09,040 --> 00:31:10,720
Speaker 2: has anyone seen this fucking guy? And then sure enough

672
00:31:10,760 --> 00:31:13,520
Speaker 2: he weighs in the next day and then BC this

673
00:31:13,680 --> 00:31:16,800
Speaker 2: was the interesting part. They had him sitting cage side

674
00:31:16,840 --> 00:31:19,640
Speaker 2: in addition to weighing in, the cameras were on him

675
00:31:19,760 --> 00:31:23,800
Speaker 2: as the reactions were not red but afterwards like He

676
00:31:23,880 --> 00:31:26,440
Speaker 2: also played a role in the reaction drama. And then

677
00:31:26,480 --> 00:31:28,680
Speaker 2: after the fight was over on the pay per view broadcast,

678
00:31:29,040 --> 00:31:32,520
Speaker 2: they had Colby give his assessment about the fight and

679
00:31:32,760 --> 00:31:34,720
Speaker 2: what might be next, and you know him asserting his

680
00:31:34,840 --> 00:31:37,360
Speaker 2: place as like a rightful contender, and then Dana White

681
00:31:37,360 --> 00:31:39,800
Speaker 2: basically confirmed it, although Leon Edwards was like, why on

682
00:31:39,840 --> 00:31:42,080
Speaker 2: earth would it be Colby BC? Let me ask you

683
00:31:42,120 --> 00:31:45,120
Speaker 2: the same question that Leon Edwards asked the world. Why

684
00:31:45,320 --> 00:31:47,440
Speaker 2: is Colby Covington getting a title shot?

685
00:31:48,840 --> 00:31:52,080
Speaker 3: Number one star power? Let's not forget that he and look,

686
00:31:52,200 --> 00:31:56,440
Speaker 3: am I necessarily supporting this idea? No? Do I understand it?

687
00:31:56,560 --> 00:31:59,080
Speaker 3: Have I been talking about it leading up to because

688
00:31:59,160 --> 00:32:01,520
Speaker 3: I know how this come? But he works? Yes, he

689
00:32:01,600 --> 00:32:04,760
Speaker 3: has star power, he has a natural villain. Is an

690
00:32:04,760 --> 00:32:08,080
Speaker 3: overplayed forced role most of the time. Yes, But you

691
00:32:08,080 --> 00:32:09,640
Speaker 3: know I don't have to teach you marketing when you

692
00:32:09,680 --> 00:32:12,520
Speaker 3: get a babyface champion and a pro wrestling term which

693
00:32:12,680 --> 00:32:16,880
Speaker 3: Leon Rocky Edwards is this inspirational journey overcoming and you

694
00:32:17,000 --> 00:32:19,280
Speaker 3: got a guy now who represents this market. And I

695
00:32:19,280 --> 00:32:21,760
Speaker 3: don't know if you watch Daniel White's post fight press

696
00:32:21,800 --> 00:32:24,520
Speaker 3: conference on Saturday, but along with him not hearing every

697
00:32:24,600 --> 00:32:27,560
Speaker 3: question and needing it to be relayed, Luke, every single

698
00:32:27,600 --> 00:32:29,040
Speaker 3: question was about when are you come back to the

699
00:32:29,160 --> 00:32:31,600
Speaker 3: UK reworded or can you go to this UK city

700
00:32:31,640 --> 00:32:35,560
Speaker 3: or can you go here? You need the natural villain

701
00:32:35,840 --> 00:32:39,160
Speaker 3: that can elevate the baby face, like chelsn and ultimately

702
00:32:39,160 --> 00:32:41,760
Speaker 3: did for Anderson Silvy, even though that's not the perfect comparison,

703
00:32:41,800 --> 00:32:44,560
Speaker 3: because Silva he's in the Hall of Fame. I mean,

704
00:32:44,600 --> 00:32:46,240
Speaker 3: he's one of the greatest of all time. He would

705
00:32:46,240 --> 00:32:48,480
Speaker 3: have probably been anyway. But when you have a yard

706
00:32:48,480 --> 00:32:51,520
Speaker 3: barking rival across from you that people want to see

707
00:32:51,520 --> 00:32:54,280
Speaker 3: get his ass kicked, it's perfect. On top of that, Luke,

708
00:32:54,280 --> 00:32:56,920
Speaker 3: when you look back at the last eight years of

709
00:32:56,960 --> 00:33:01,400
Speaker 3: Colby Covington's career, he's lost to only Kamara Usman twice,

710
00:33:01,560 --> 00:33:05,760
Speaker 3: one of them very close and actually both close ish right,

711
00:33:05,800 --> 00:33:08,960
Speaker 3: I mean both very very close. I'm not saying he

712
00:33:09,000 --> 00:33:11,200
Speaker 3: has been busy enough to make this make a lot

713
00:33:11,200 --> 00:33:14,080
Speaker 3: of sense. I'm not saying he has you know, some

714
00:33:14,280 --> 00:33:17,600
Speaker 3: Brent Brookhouse, our colleague at CBS Sports, broke down every

715
00:33:18,000 --> 00:33:20,800
Speaker 3: Colby fight based on who he was fighting with, their record,

716
00:33:20,880 --> 00:33:22,560
Speaker 3: their recent record was coming in. You have to go

717
00:33:22,600 --> 00:33:24,960
Speaker 3: back to twenty seventeen, the last time Colby fought a

718
00:33:24,960 --> 00:33:26,920
Speaker 3: guy who was like coming in on a multiple fight

719
00:33:26,960 --> 00:33:30,080
Speaker 3: win streak and you know, had momentum and was looking

720
00:33:30,120 --> 00:33:33,000
Speaker 3: to climb the ladder of the rankings. To some degree,

721
00:33:33,480 --> 00:33:35,480
Speaker 3: he was able to be the riser as some of

722
00:33:35,520 --> 00:33:37,760
Speaker 3: these names were coming down and he beat them in advance.

723
00:33:38,080 --> 00:33:40,600
Speaker 3: But Luke, if he didn't have his last fight be

724
00:33:40,600 --> 00:33:43,160
Speaker 3: a pay per view main event against Jorge Masbral one

725
00:33:43,200 --> 00:33:46,880
Speaker 3: in whench he largely dominated, would I would play further

726
00:33:46,960 --> 00:33:49,520
Speaker 3: into the idea that this is just Dana white privilege.

727
00:33:49,560 --> 00:33:52,400
Speaker 3: And well, by the way, Blall Mohammad actually quote tweeted

728
00:33:52,400 --> 00:33:54,720
Speaker 3: that and now deleted it that when somebody asked him

729
00:33:54,720 --> 00:33:57,120
Speaker 3: why is Colby getting this and he said, because he's white.

730
00:33:57,600 --> 00:33:59,920
Speaker 3: I don't you know, I don't lean that far into this,

731
00:34:00,200 --> 00:34:01,960
Speaker 3: but I do lean into the idea, what's the history

732
00:34:02,000 --> 00:34:05,120
Speaker 3: of the UFC rewarding guys with big names who get

733
00:34:05,160 --> 00:34:06,480
Speaker 3: a lot of growth, you know, gain a lot of

734
00:34:06,480 --> 00:34:09,120
Speaker 3: attention through their mouth and their ability to play that role.

735
00:34:09,760 --> 00:34:11,719
Speaker 3: This is what this is. And look, if he was

736
00:34:12,080 --> 00:34:13,960
Speaker 3: coming off defeats or whatever, I mean, like I know,

737
00:34:14,040 --> 00:34:16,600
Speaker 3: he sat out and been extra strategic and I know

738
00:34:16,719 --> 00:34:19,640
Speaker 3: by default everybody hates him. And I know this division

739
00:34:19,760 --> 00:34:22,600
Speaker 3: is getting some real you know, it's getting heavy, it's

740
00:34:22,600 --> 00:34:24,439
Speaker 3: getting at the top, it's getting busy at the top.

741
00:34:24,480 --> 00:34:26,239
Speaker 3: There's a lot of guys who want to see, you know,

742
00:34:26,280 --> 00:34:29,560
Speaker 3: how soon forshav got all this stuff. But Luke, I

743
00:34:29,680 --> 00:34:34,279
Speaker 3: get it. I don't think it's a major sort of

744
00:34:34,320 --> 00:34:37,320
Speaker 3: you know, black eye on the marketing or promotional direction.

745
00:34:38,560 --> 00:34:41,600
Speaker 3: It just doesn't serve ultimately like the idea of the

746
00:34:41,600 --> 00:34:44,160
Speaker 3: guy next in line. Let's see Colby sat out, I

747
00:34:44,200 --> 00:34:46,560
Speaker 3: thought strategically, and now he's getting the reward for it.

748
00:34:46,680 --> 00:34:49,120
Speaker 3: And what did he just do? Exactly what the company

749
00:34:49,120 --> 00:34:51,759
Speaker 3: expects from a company man, show up last minute and

750
00:34:51,880 --> 00:34:55,120
Speaker 3: essentially a day's notice, cut eighteen pounds, which is what

751
00:34:55,160 --> 00:34:57,520
Speaker 3: the rumor was in the post ray press conference, and

752
00:34:57,600 --> 00:35:00,000
Speaker 3: then make weight for Dana just in case something happened.

753
00:35:00,160 --> 00:35:02,319
Speaker 3: So I mean, look, you get it, right. I'm not

754
00:35:02,320 --> 00:35:04,080
Speaker 3: saying I want this fight next week. You get it.

755
00:35:06,360 --> 00:35:09,279
Speaker 2: I'm not sure how much I get it. I'm not

756
00:35:09,320 --> 00:35:14,040
Speaker 2: sure how much I get it. So the okay, clearly

757
00:35:14,080 --> 00:35:16,960
Speaker 2: we can say this. The UFC does not appear to

758
00:35:16,960 --> 00:35:21,399
Speaker 2: be very interested in putting Balal Mohammed in a title fight. Right,

759
00:35:21,480 --> 00:35:22,520
Speaker 2: we can say that would.

760
00:35:22,400 --> 00:35:24,520
Speaker 3: Strong giving him the Leon Edwards treatment.

761
00:35:24,239 --> 00:35:26,520
Speaker 2: Tru or they are giving him the Leon That's a

762
00:35:26,560 --> 00:35:28,600
Speaker 2: great way to put it. He's the new one, right,

763
00:35:28,680 --> 00:35:29,399
Speaker 2: He's the new one.

764
00:35:29,400 --> 00:35:31,880
Speaker 3: Where by the way, reminder, Max Holloway had to go

765
00:35:31,920 --> 00:35:34,480
Speaker 3: through the Leon Edwards treatment too. People forget that for.

766
00:35:34,440 --> 00:35:37,520
Speaker 2: A little while. Certainly certainly happen, but Max also was

767
00:35:37,560 --> 00:35:39,360
Speaker 2: able to change his fortunes by getting a series of

768
00:35:39,360 --> 00:35:42,240
Speaker 2: stoppages in ways that you know, it's a little bit different.

769
00:35:42,239 --> 00:35:43,920
Speaker 2: But I just I just want to remind folks, like,

770
00:35:44,400 --> 00:35:47,520
Speaker 2: two questions remain for me. First one is the obvious one,

771
00:35:47,560 --> 00:35:50,200
Speaker 2: which is the worthiness of it in terms of his resume.

772
00:35:50,360 --> 00:35:53,239
Speaker 2: So here is his resume, Coolby Covington. His last fight

773
00:35:53,320 --> 00:35:55,480
Speaker 2: was a win over Jorge mass but all back in

774
00:35:55,719 --> 00:35:59,439
Speaker 2: about a year ago, right in March of twenty twenty two,

775
00:36:00,239 --> 00:36:01,799
Speaker 2: lost to Kamara. Before that he had a win over

776
00:36:01,880 --> 00:36:04,040
Speaker 2: Tyrant and then a lost to Kamaru. Then he had

777
00:36:04,080 --> 00:36:06,600
Speaker 2: this was his win streak. Robby Lawler, Dosan Jose Demi

778
00:36:06,600 --> 00:36:09,720
Speaker 2: and Don Kun, Kim, Brian Barberina, Max Griffin and Jonathan Munier,

779
00:36:09,800 --> 00:36:12,880
Speaker 2: and then before that to Warlealvis, meaning the only person

780
00:36:13,000 --> 00:36:15,560
Speaker 2: inside the top fifteen he has a winover is number

781
00:36:15,560 --> 00:36:18,160
Speaker 2: eleven Jorge Maswitdoal, who is probably on the decline of

782
00:36:18,160 --> 00:36:20,480
Speaker 2: his career at this point. That certainly we'll see what

783
00:36:20,520 --> 00:36:22,680
Speaker 2: happens at the next UFC event UFC two eighty seven.

784
00:36:23,640 --> 00:36:28,959
Speaker 2: That's it. Like the worthiness of his run is utterly manufactured.

785
00:36:29,000 --> 00:36:30,560
Speaker 2: I know some folks like, well, he you know, maybe

786
00:36:30,560 --> 00:36:33,040
Speaker 2: he doesn't deserve it. No, no, no, flat out, he doesn't

787
00:36:33,040 --> 00:36:36,480
Speaker 2: deserve it. Like, there's not an argument from a meritocracy

788
00:36:36,480 --> 00:36:40,759
Speaker 2: standpoint on his record. He deserves it the period. The

789
00:36:40,800 --> 00:36:43,600
Speaker 2: bigger question is the star power one that you raised BC.

790
00:36:43,840 --> 00:36:47,560
Speaker 2: What is the evidence in your mind that he has.

791
00:36:48,520 --> 00:36:50,840
Speaker 2: I'm not saying he doesn't have a bigger star profile

792
00:36:50,920 --> 00:36:53,200
Speaker 2: than Belah Mohammed, because I think he does. He's been

793
00:36:53,239 --> 00:36:56,320
Speaker 2: in bigger fights in terms of a spectacle and whatnot.

794
00:36:56,600 --> 00:36:59,200
Speaker 2: He's been on pay per view main events. Okay, how

795
00:36:59,280 --> 00:37:01,520
Speaker 2: much of that really translates to sales?

796
00:37:02,640 --> 00:37:04,920
Speaker 3: Okay, do I have proof here on tickets? No? But

797
00:37:06,840 --> 00:37:10,320
Speaker 3: is this not the exact type of athlete that the

798
00:37:10,400 --> 00:37:13,040
Speaker 3: UFC wants. I'm not saying Kobe Coventon fights in the

799
00:37:13,080 --> 00:37:15,120
Speaker 3: same blood and good style. That is the quickest way

800
00:37:15,160 --> 00:37:18,360
Speaker 3: to dan as hard as I often say, no, but ready,

801
00:37:18,400 --> 00:37:21,640
Speaker 3: willing and able to fight anybody gets the promotional side

802
00:37:21,640 --> 00:37:24,120
Speaker 3: of it and just did the company job that they

803
00:37:24,160 --> 00:37:26,280
Speaker 3: asked of him to fly to London and that again,

804
00:37:26,600 --> 00:37:28,439
Speaker 3: do I think meritocracy this is the right move?

805
00:37:28,520 --> 00:37:28,560
Speaker 2: No?

806
00:37:29,080 --> 00:37:32,239
Speaker 3: I don't think this though, is some monster outcry. It's

807
00:37:32,239 --> 00:37:35,040
Speaker 3: not cool for Balha Mohammed. But Luke, when you look

808
00:37:35,040 --> 00:37:37,800
Speaker 3: at Blahama Muhammad's run, I mean, it's not his fault,

809
00:37:37,800 --> 00:37:39,840
Speaker 3: and no contest with Leon happen, and that would have

810
00:37:39,880 --> 00:37:42,720
Speaker 3: been one of those sort of key critical wins against

811
00:37:42,760 --> 00:37:45,160
Speaker 3: a highly ranked guy that you sort of need to

812
00:37:45,200 --> 00:37:47,360
Speaker 3: get out of that doghouse at times when you're not

813
00:37:47,520 --> 00:37:51,520
Speaker 3: overly marketable. But this is what they do, dude. I mean,

814
00:37:51,840 --> 00:37:54,800
Speaker 3: are you surprised that Connor's talking about if I beat Chandler,

815
00:37:55,000 --> 00:37:57,239
Speaker 3: I want a welterweight title shot, and everybody's like, yeah,

816
00:37:57,360 --> 00:37:58,439
Speaker 3: it's inevitable, So why.

817
00:37:58,400 --> 00:38:00,879
Speaker 2: No, Connor has proof that he can pull on pay

818
00:38:00,880 --> 00:38:01,200
Speaker 2: per view.

819
00:38:01,320 --> 00:38:06,480
Speaker 3: Okay, but to the metrics that the company likes, doesn't

820
00:38:06,520 --> 00:38:09,840
Speaker 3: Colby check every one of those boxes, with the exception

821
00:38:10,440 --> 00:38:13,000
Speaker 3: of regularly fighting a blood and gut style, which he

822
00:38:13,040 --> 00:38:15,360
Speaker 3: did show against Camorrow in the first fight, that he

823
00:38:15,400 --> 00:38:16,120
Speaker 3: is willing to do.

824
00:38:18,160 --> 00:38:20,879
Speaker 2: Since when did Colby Covington's fight style become a thing

825
00:38:20,880 --> 00:38:23,440
Speaker 2: that people liked. I don't only.

826
00:38:23,239 --> 00:38:25,200
Speaker 3: Asking you from the standpoint of does he check the

827
00:38:25,239 --> 00:38:27,600
Speaker 3: boxes that the company prefers and wants.

828
00:38:28,120 --> 00:38:31,239
Speaker 2: He's a better self promoter than Belah, and he'll be

829
00:38:31,320 --> 00:38:34,720
Speaker 2: much more antagonistic towards Leon, even though Leon and Bolall

830
00:38:34,760 --> 00:38:36,600
Speaker 2: had a previous fight and it went nowhere.

831
00:38:36,760 --> 00:38:39,520
Speaker 3: Maybe Leon a bigger baby face in his home country.

832
00:38:39,560 --> 00:38:41,279
Speaker 3: That's the point of this, That's why.

833
00:38:41,360 --> 00:38:44,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, But I just don't believe that Colby is I

834
00:38:44,080 --> 00:38:47,440
Speaker 2: don't believe that the difference between Belaw and Colby is

835
00:38:47,600 --> 00:38:50,440
Speaker 2: so big. I do believe there's a difference, but I

836
00:38:50,560 --> 00:38:53,640
Speaker 2: personally it doesn't matter. Of course, I personally don't believe

837
00:38:53,719 --> 00:38:58,480
Speaker 2: it's so big that it matters looking past what Belall

838
00:38:58,560 --> 00:39:01,480
Speaker 2: has done in favor of Colby. Actually don't if there

839
00:39:01,520 --> 00:39:03,960
Speaker 2: was a really clear difference in star par like a

840
00:39:04,000 --> 00:39:06,360
Speaker 2: major one that we could detect, fine, and maybe they

841
00:39:06,400 --> 00:39:09,359
Speaker 2: have internal metrics to that to support that. But from

842
00:39:09,360 --> 00:39:11,760
Speaker 2: the external metrics, it just seems like yeah, he's better.

843
00:39:11,800 --> 00:39:15,160
Speaker 2: He's bigger as a star, but not like by a

844
00:39:15,400 --> 00:39:19,279
Speaker 2: ginormous amount, and he has no claim to this title

845
00:39:19,320 --> 00:39:22,640
Speaker 2: shot whatsoever. Also, here's my question back to he has.

846
00:39:22,480 --> 00:39:25,560
Speaker 3: Been ranking the top three for like five years. There

847
00:39:25,600 --> 00:39:27,680
Speaker 3: is some level of a clipbook. I'm not a Colby guy,

848
00:39:27,719 --> 00:39:30,279
Speaker 3: but when his only losses in eight years are to

849
00:39:30,320 --> 00:39:33,400
Speaker 3: Camorrow and two close fights, and he is coming off

850
00:39:33,440 --> 00:39:35,520
Speaker 3: a pay per view main event win, I'm just saying, Luke,

851
00:39:35,520 --> 00:39:39,720
Speaker 3: it's hard to frame this as insanely egregious, white power,

852
00:39:39,800 --> 00:39:41,399
Speaker 3: white privilege all that. Yeah.

853
00:39:41,520 --> 00:39:42,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm not saying any of that. I don't think

854
00:39:42,960 --> 00:39:45,399
Speaker 2: it's I don't I don't. Yeah, I don't buy into

855
00:39:45,440 --> 00:39:47,120
Speaker 2: any of that. I think ball All was frustrated, but

856
00:39:47,160 --> 00:39:48,799
Speaker 2: I yes, I don't think that plays a role. I

857
00:39:48,800 --> 00:39:51,799
Speaker 2: think I will say that, you know, Colby doing the

858
00:39:51,880 --> 00:39:55,160
Speaker 2: Trump Supporting Act probably helps a little bit, But even then,

859
00:39:55,200 --> 00:39:57,080
Speaker 2: I don't really think that's really what's good, what it's

860
00:39:57,080 --> 00:39:58,960
Speaker 2: got to do with. But it's I mean, I want

861
00:39:58,960 --> 00:40:03,560
Speaker 2: to be clear, this is Colby Comington has zero claim

862
00:40:03,640 --> 00:40:05,960
Speaker 2: to this title other than he was just gifted one

863
00:40:06,040 --> 00:40:09,239
Speaker 2: for I guess doing the UFC a favor and it

864
00:40:09,280 --> 00:40:11,760
Speaker 2: doesn't appear to be anything more to it than that.

865
00:40:11,760 --> 00:40:15,040
Speaker 2: That's really the story. Also, I've seen some of the

866
00:40:15,080 --> 00:40:17,920
Speaker 2: odds floating around. There's nothing official yet. And by the way,

867
00:40:18,000 --> 00:40:21,400
Speaker 2: Leon could decline the fight, in which case I wonder

868
00:40:21,440 --> 00:40:23,719
Speaker 2: what happens there. He kind of indicated he would. He

869
00:40:23,800 --> 00:40:26,160
Speaker 2: was like, I get to decide, we'll see what happens.

870
00:40:26,200 --> 00:40:29,040
Speaker 3: No, look, I love that idea, but at this point,

871
00:40:29,880 --> 00:40:32,600
Speaker 3: I mean, they've taken belts off of people for less. Okay,

872
00:40:32,600 --> 00:40:34,440
Speaker 3: I'm not saying that he's in line of getting stripped

873
00:40:34,440 --> 00:40:36,319
Speaker 3: if he doesn't take this fight. But you saw what

874
00:40:36,360 --> 00:40:39,040
Speaker 3: happened de Nico Montagne, saw what happened to Jerane durand

875
00:40:39,040 --> 00:40:40,400
Speaker 3: to me, like, they'll do that shit to you.

876
00:40:42,200 --> 00:40:43,759
Speaker 2: They will, although I don't think they want to do

877
00:40:43,800 --> 00:40:45,799
Speaker 2: that to their most six. I would argue their best

878
00:40:45,800 --> 00:40:48,719
Speaker 2: British champion ever. I mean that's what bon Edwards is right.

879
00:40:49,360 --> 00:40:51,440
Speaker 3: Well, they'll solve this with money, Luke, They'll solve it

880
00:40:51,480 --> 00:40:51,839
Speaker 3: with money.

881
00:40:51,920 --> 00:40:54,319
Speaker 2: Okay, that's another one they could do. That's certainly another

882
00:40:54,360 --> 00:40:56,520
Speaker 2: way they could go. Anyway. What do you do with

883
00:40:56,640 --> 00:40:59,720
Speaker 2: balal Muhammad? Now they're talking about having him fight Shotga.

884
00:40:59,760 --> 00:41:02,279
Speaker 2: Can you imagine being bal Mohammed, where you've beaten all

885
00:41:02,320 --> 00:41:04,400
Speaker 2: these fucking guys, and then they're like, coming off to

886
00:41:04,400 --> 00:41:06,680
Speaker 2: Sean Brady win his best win in terms of how

887
00:41:06,719 --> 00:41:09,480
Speaker 2: he looked and how prepared he was right, finishing off

888
00:41:09,480 --> 00:41:12,000
Speaker 2: a guy with the way that he did with strikes unbelievable,

889
00:41:12,200 --> 00:41:14,279
Speaker 2: and they're like, your reward is not a title shot,

890
00:41:14,320 --> 00:41:16,600
Speaker 2: even though you're claim to it is pretty good. Your

891
00:41:16,640 --> 00:41:20,840
Speaker 2: reward is gonna be Shavcot rock manoff. I mean you

892
00:41:20,880 --> 00:41:22,279
Speaker 2: got to be like you've he a ballall, Like, what

893
00:41:22,320 --> 00:41:24,120
Speaker 2: the fuck? Bro? Yeah?

894
00:41:24,160 --> 00:41:27,480
Speaker 3: So Belall's winless in ten, I'm sorry, he's got a

895
00:41:27,560 --> 00:41:30,239
Speaker 3: He's got an unbeaten street going of ten fights. And

896
00:41:30,800 --> 00:41:34,560
Speaker 3: when your last four wins over Sean Brady, Vicente, Luke, WonderBoy,

897
00:41:34,560 --> 00:41:37,680
Speaker 3: Thompson and Demian might like, you know, there's some element

898
00:41:37,719 --> 00:41:42,320
Speaker 3: of claim there is there? Enough though prime in the moment,

899
00:41:42,360 --> 00:41:45,919
Speaker 3: top five wins that could trump everything else Colby has

900
00:41:46,320 --> 00:41:48,480
Speaker 3: has going for him. And I'm not saying Colby has

901
00:41:48,560 --> 00:41:51,800
Speaker 3: a bunch of active wins over top five guys. Colby

902
00:41:51,840 --> 00:41:56,120
Speaker 3: again fought. It turned out that he's that he strategically

903
00:41:56,120 --> 00:41:57,880
Speaker 3: fought guys that were going in that direction as he

904
00:41:57,920 --> 00:42:00,359
Speaker 3: was coming up. Tyron Woodley fight is another example of that,

905
00:42:00,560 --> 00:42:02,920
Speaker 3: which is like, you know, his last big win outside

906
00:42:02,960 --> 00:42:06,359
Speaker 3: of the Masvidal one. But is this claim enough, Luke?

907
00:42:06,400 --> 00:42:08,560
Speaker 3: The ten win fight, Lynn win, the streak those four

908
00:42:08,600 --> 00:42:11,000
Speaker 3: strong names in a row is the Sean Brady? What

909
00:42:11,040 --> 00:42:12,799
Speaker 3: was Sean Brady rank at the moment? Like, I know,

910
00:42:12,840 --> 00:42:16,160
Speaker 3: I'm playing, you know, huge almost dick role of Devil's

911
00:42:16,160 --> 00:42:20,319
Speaker 3: advocate here, but I guess I just understand promotion, Luke.

912
00:42:20,360 --> 00:42:23,600
Speaker 3: And if Bilal had beaten Sean Brady was a great

913
00:42:23,680 --> 00:42:25,959
Speaker 3: level and he got past it by stoppage to your point,

914
00:42:26,040 --> 00:42:29,640
Speaker 3: like it was a breakthrough win. But has he beaten

915
00:42:29,640 --> 00:42:31,600
Speaker 3: a top five guy, which is normally if you're not

916
00:42:31,719 --> 00:42:34,680
Speaker 3: knocking on the door because of commercialism and marketing, if

917
00:42:34,719 --> 00:42:37,080
Speaker 3: you're not knocking on the door because you're somebody like

918
00:42:37,120 --> 00:42:40,480
Speaker 3: hams Out who's just you know, destroying everybody, you sometimes

919
00:42:40,520 --> 00:42:42,719
Speaker 3: need that top five win to get entry. He has

920
00:42:42,760 --> 00:42:44,560
Speaker 3: not had that yet, correct, I mean, where was wonder

921
00:42:44,600 --> 00:42:46,160
Speaker 3: Boy at that at the point of that fight.

922
00:42:46,680 --> 00:42:48,520
Speaker 2: I don't know where he was at that time. He

923
00:42:48,560 --> 00:42:53,160
Speaker 2: currently sits at seven ballall at four ballall has beaten

924
00:42:53,280 --> 00:42:56,480
Speaker 2: number seven Jeff Thompson, number nine, Sean Brady number ten,

925
00:42:56,560 --> 00:43:00,919
Speaker 2: Vicente Luke. So you know, all three of his most

926
00:43:00,920 --> 00:43:04,000
Speaker 2: recent wins are better than Colby's last win, for.

927
00:43:04,000 --> 00:43:07,640
Speaker 3: Sure, But is there enough argument in there to trump

928
00:43:07,920 --> 00:43:10,840
Speaker 3: what the company perceives that Colbe brings. That's really it,

929
00:43:10,880 --> 00:43:14,160
Speaker 3: because Luke, if they make it, it's a big event in

930
00:43:14,200 --> 00:43:19,560
Speaker 3: the UK just because it's Leon. But I mean, I

931
00:43:19,600 --> 00:43:21,400
Speaker 3: get it, I get it. I mean I hate that

932
00:43:21,440 --> 00:43:23,040
Speaker 3: Ball has got to go through this journey. I wish

933
00:43:23,200 --> 00:43:25,120
Speaker 3: I wish they would remember the name Luke. I wish

934
00:43:25,120 --> 00:43:27,359
Speaker 3: the meritocracy would angle in there more.

935
00:43:27,440 --> 00:43:29,880
Speaker 2: But let me ask you, I've seen some of the

936
00:43:29,920 --> 00:43:33,480
Speaker 2: odds have Leon as a slight underdog. Again, these are

937
00:43:33,640 --> 00:43:36,640
Speaker 2: betting odds. I gotta tell you this again, this notion

938
00:43:36,800 --> 00:43:41,719
Speaker 2: that Leon like underperformed on Saturday, I find completely baffling.

939
00:43:41,800 --> 00:43:44,719
Speaker 2: It's the best performance of his career, the last minute

940
00:43:44,719 --> 00:43:47,320
Speaker 2: of the second fight notwithstanding, it's just shocking that people

941
00:43:47,320 --> 00:43:48,040
Speaker 2: are saying this to me.

942
00:43:48,120 --> 00:43:52,200
Speaker 3: So we don't tend to overinflate the early overseas odds.

943
00:43:52,200 --> 00:43:53,480
Speaker 3: This is what we're talking about, right, We all get

944
00:43:53,480 --> 00:43:56,680
Speaker 3: those yas. But Luke, according to that plus one ten

945
00:43:56,760 --> 00:44:02,879
Speaker 3: Leon Edwards minus one thirty Colby Covington. Even if you're

946
00:44:02,920 --> 00:44:07,560
Speaker 3: looking at this from the standpoint of well that's an

947
00:44:07,560 --> 00:44:10,160
Speaker 3: older Kamara. Usman is coming off a you know, being

948
00:44:10,239 --> 00:44:13,080
Speaker 3: knocked out cold, which I think would be largely wrong

949
00:44:13,160 --> 00:44:16,120
Speaker 3: to lean in that level. A lot of times these

950
00:44:16,120 --> 00:44:18,640
Speaker 3: odds makers are smarter than we are, Luke or it's

951
00:44:18,640 --> 00:44:20,920
Speaker 3: an element of I need to induce betting in this direction.

952
00:44:21,440 --> 00:44:23,920
Speaker 3: What is it with this line? Because I get the

953
00:44:23,920 --> 00:44:28,320
Speaker 3: the in theory idea of Covington's gonna spam takedowns more

954
00:44:28,880 --> 00:44:31,000
Speaker 3: than what we saw at Usman really in fights two

955
00:44:31,040 --> 00:44:33,279
Speaker 3: and three, even though he had more success taking down

956
00:44:33,520 --> 00:44:38,400
Speaker 3: Edwards and fight two. But you know it's is Colby

957
00:44:38,440 --> 00:44:41,399
Speaker 3: a threat on the feet to Leon, No, not even

958
00:44:42,200 --> 00:44:46,640
Speaker 3: and if Leon just stuffed Usman to that level, this

959
00:44:46,800 --> 00:44:48,160
Speaker 3: is some I mean, I know it's only plus one

960
00:44:48,239 --> 00:44:49,720
Speaker 3: ten for the champion as the underdog.

961
00:44:49,760 --> 00:44:51,880
Speaker 2: It's not you know again, this is what I This

962
00:44:51,920 --> 00:44:53,480
Speaker 2: is what I mean. It's like, well, Colby could do

963
00:44:53,560 --> 00:44:56,000
Speaker 2: something that Leon are asceiving that Kamaru can't. Okay, well,

964
00:44:56,000 --> 00:44:58,359
Speaker 2: they're not the same fighter, and I certainly grant that

965
00:44:58,400 --> 00:45:01,359
Speaker 2: there is By the way, Kolby a little bit more

966
00:45:01,400 --> 00:45:04,799
Speaker 2: willing to attack the back than Kamaro has been. I

967
00:45:04,800 --> 00:45:07,919
Speaker 2: think that is a noteworthy difference, fair enough that could

968
00:45:07,960 --> 00:45:11,879
Speaker 2: end up playing a role. But like, dude, what the

969
00:45:11,960 --> 00:45:17,080
Speaker 2: fuck are people talking about? In terms of like thinking

970
00:45:17,880 --> 00:45:21,360
Speaker 2: Koby is like gonna fix the things that Colby's thirty

971
00:45:21,440 --> 00:45:25,880
Speaker 2: five years old, Kamarrow is thirty five years old. Kolby's

972
00:45:25,960 --> 00:45:28,759
Speaker 2: last relevant win is Jorge Mosbital. The other guys aren't

973
00:45:28,760 --> 00:45:31,040
Speaker 2: even in the fucking UFC, the vast majority of them.

974
00:45:31,560 --> 00:45:35,560
Speaker 2: What on earth gives people confidence that that guy has

975
00:45:35,640 --> 00:45:37,880
Speaker 2: like the missing not to say he couldn't be competitive

976
00:45:37,920 --> 00:45:39,680
Speaker 2: or win BC. I'm not even saying that he could

977
00:45:39,680 --> 00:45:42,200
Speaker 2: be competitive, he could win, but that like he's the

978
00:45:42,320 --> 00:45:45,280
Speaker 2: antidote to what Kamaro could. Is he younger?

979
00:45:45,440 --> 00:45:45,520
Speaker 3: No?

980
00:45:45,760 --> 00:45:47,160
Speaker 2: Is he a better version of Kamorrow?

981
00:45:47,360 --> 00:45:47,440
Speaker 3: No?

982
00:45:48,120 --> 00:45:50,520
Speaker 2: Like, does he have like radically different takedowns than Kamorrow?

983
00:45:50,719 --> 00:45:50,759
Speaker 3: No?

984
00:45:51,560 --> 00:45:53,239
Speaker 2: Life, Like, I don't understand what people are fucking looking

985
00:45:53,280 --> 00:45:53,640
Speaker 2: at here.

986
00:45:53,680 --> 00:45:55,960
Speaker 3: And Leon's also a big welterweight. I mean, see you

987
00:45:56,000 --> 00:45:56,359
Speaker 3: know what I mean?

988
00:45:56,440 --> 00:45:57,880
Speaker 2: Like, right, do you see what kind of shape he

989
00:45:57,920 --> 00:45:59,600
Speaker 2: was in? Do he looked like he was in tremendous

990
00:45:59,640 --> 00:46:01,120
Speaker 2: condition Bakzilla.

991
00:46:01,520 --> 00:46:04,120
Speaker 3: Let me let me ask you this one thing. I

992
00:46:04,200 --> 00:46:06,600
Speaker 3: know that we don't take the UFC rankings as like

993
00:46:07,080 --> 00:46:09,960
Speaker 3: life and death. Why because the UFC can often flip

994
00:46:10,000 --> 00:46:12,040
Speaker 3: the middle finger at their own rankings and just say, oh, no,

995
00:46:12,120 --> 00:46:14,120
Speaker 3: guy number nine, guy is gonna fight for the title

996
00:46:14,120 --> 00:46:17,400
Speaker 3: because we want him to. But I think the biggest

997
00:46:17,480 --> 00:46:21,200
Speaker 3: problem fundamentally with the UFC ranking system is that whenever

998
00:46:21,239 --> 00:46:24,840
Speaker 3: somebody loses a title fight, they are then automatically installed

999
00:46:24,840 --> 00:46:28,480
Speaker 3: as the number one contender, when in reality, sometimes yes,

1000
00:46:28,760 --> 00:46:31,160
Speaker 3: you build up a run winning three, four, five fights

1001
00:46:31,160 --> 00:46:32,880
Speaker 3: in a row, and you become a number one contender,

1002
00:46:33,040 --> 00:46:35,200
Speaker 3: but then when you lose, and in a lot of

1003
00:46:35,200 --> 00:46:39,000
Speaker 3: cases when you lose dominantly, the reality is, especially in

1004
00:46:39,040 --> 00:46:41,000
Speaker 3: a busy division, you should be put back at four

1005
00:46:41,080 --> 00:46:43,400
Speaker 3: or five six in a ranking based on the situation.

1006
00:46:44,000 --> 00:46:47,160
Speaker 3: Both times Colby fought Usmann and he lost close. So

1007
00:46:47,239 --> 00:46:48,960
Speaker 3: in this case maybe that's not it, but just the

1008
00:46:48,960 --> 00:46:51,640
Speaker 3: fact that they automatically make Colby the number one contender

1009
00:46:51,760 --> 00:46:55,000
Speaker 3: after each time he lost to Usman, and then he's

1010
00:46:55,000 --> 00:46:57,480
Speaker 3: not being active, and again then he's coming off a

1011
00:46:57,520 --> 00:46:59,880
Speaker 3: win over Jorge. It is hard for the company on

1012
00:47:00,120 --> 00:47:02,960
Speaker 3: to their own preset rules to then push him back

1013
00:47:02,960 --> 00:47:05,080
Speaker 3: in the rankings and try to make you know, try

1014
00:47:05,080 --> 00:47:07,640
Speaker 3: to make a room for Ballal. So partially the system

1015
00:47:07,680 --> 00:47:11,000
Speaker 3: is flawed. Partially you understand what the look from the

1016
00:47:11,000 --> 00:47:14,600
Speaker 3: promotional standpoint, they probably believe Leon should win this fight,

1017
00:47:14,680 --> 00:47:17,760
Speaker 3: so you're using Colby to get Leon to the next level.

1018
00:47:18,160 --> 00:47:20,959
Speaker 3: And and then you find out there and look, if

1019
00:47:21,120 --> 00:47:23,520
Speaker 3: Blal has Ball's got to climb another mountain, and that

1020
00:47:23,560 --> 00:47:25,600
Speaker 3: mountain may be shoff cut and that's that's been a

1021
00:47:25,640 --> 00:47:28,239
Speaker 3: lot of him. But if he does that, Luke, and

1022
00:47:28,280 --> 00:47:30,319
Speaker 3: I'm sorry, his unbeating street currently is at nine. If

1023
00:47:30,360 --> 00:47:33,200
Speaker 3: he extends that to ten, which is where Leon was

1024
00:47:33,239 --> 00:47:36,520
Speaker 3: coming into his first title fight, finally, uh, there will

1025
00:47:36,560 --> 00:47:38,759
Speaker 3: be no holding him back. I love me some Bala

1026
00:47:38,880 --> 00:47:42,160
Speaker 3: Muhammed Luke. He's I mean, you know, he's got great chesticles.

1027
00:47:42,520 --> 00:47:43,719
Speaker 3: I mean really, his.

1028
00:47:43,760 --> 00:47:48,040
Speaker 2: Pecs are yeah, amazing. Here's a little here's a little,

1029
00:47:48,120 --> 00:47:51,920
Speaker 2: uh the data point for you. So in title fights,

1030
00:47:51,960 --> 00:47:54,319
Speaker 2: we're talking about the overall record in title fights of

1031
00:47:54,680 --> 00:47:57,920
Speaker 2: fighters thirty five years or of age or older between

1032
00:47:57,960 --> 00:48:00,640
Speaker 2: flyweight and Walter Witz. We're not talking about middle waiting up.

1033
00:48:00,640 --> 00:48:02,640
Speaker 2: So one twenty five thirty five, forty five, fifty five,

1034
00:48:02,760 --> 00:48:06,239
Speaker 2: seventy Okay, what do you there's thirty fights to talk

1035
00:48:06,360 --> 00:48:08,040
Speaker 2: we're talking about. We're talking about the record of the

1036
00:48:08,040 --> 00:48:11,560
Speaker 2: guys who meet that, right, so over thirty five between

1037
00:48:12,560 --> 00:48:15,080
Speaker 2: Flyweight and Walter. Wait, what do you think their their

1038
00:48:15,600 --> 00:48:17,840
Speaker 2: record is in thirty total.

1039
00:48:17,600 --> 00:48:21,800
Speaker 3: Fights under five hundred by a good degree.

1040
00:48:22,120 --> 00:48:25,360
Speaker 2: You're right. How about two and twenty eight two, in

1041
00:48:25,480 --> 00:48:30,359
Speaker 2: twenty eight, two and twenty eight, Colby's thirty five. He'll

1042
00:48:30,360 --> 00:48:32,160
Speaker 2: be probably close to thirty six by the time they

1043
00:48:32,160 --> 00:48:34,920
Speaker 2: make this fucking fight happen. Tell me why he's the

1044
00:48:34,960 --> 00:48:38,560
Speaker 2: antidote again to a guy who just shut down Kamara

1045
00:48:38,640 --> 00:48:40,879
Speaker 2: Usman for four and fifteen. Get the what the fuck?

1046
00:48:41,040 --> 00:48:44,200
Speaker 3: Unless it's an idea of let's induce bets for for

1047
00:48:44,320 --> 00:48:45,520
Speaker 3: Leon to even this.

1048
00:48:45,680 --> 00:48:48,719
Speaker 2: Right exactly that that explanation, I get. I get that completely,

1049
00:48:48,800 --> 00:48:51,239
Speaker 2: But other than that, I just don't think. Again, he's

1050
00:48:51,239 --> 00:48:54,239
Speaker 2: a threat. I'm not saying it's not a threat, but like,

1051
00:48:54,239 --> 00:48:55,200
Speaker 2: like he's the guy.

1052
00:48:55,440 --> 00:48:58,080
Speaker 3: Like here's the problem though, if you are of the

1053
00:48:58,080 --> 00:49:00,279
Speaker 3: belief that Ball is getting screwed here in that this

1054
00:49:00,320 --> 00:49:03,560
Speaker 3: is all about UFC just keeping their favorite guys alive.

1055
00:49:03,600 --> 00:49:06,440
Speaker 3: Here with Colby getting the shot, and Dana was like, unequivocally,

1056
00:49:06,520 --> 00:49:10,399
Speaker 3: Colby is next, Luke. Not that this should necessarily matter,

1057
00:49:10,440 --> 00:49:12,840
Speaker 3: but if you already hate Colby, he has an updated

1058
00:49:12,880 --> 00:49:14,680
Speaker 3: the shtick at all, and that's kind of pissing me off.

1059
00:49:14,719 --> 00:49:16,160
Speaker 3: Not that I'm saying he has to come off with

1060
00:49:16,239 --> 00:49:19,560
Speaker 3: like DeSantis twenty twenty four t shirts and completely change it,

1061
00:49:20,080 --> 00:49:23,799
Speaker 3: but it might be time. I mean, it's certainly time

1062
00:49:23,840 --> 00:49:26,800
Speaker 3: to drop the shtick. I'm okay if the trash talking

1063
00:49:26,840 --> 00:49:29,959
Speaker 3: is real and smart and well angled. But as much

1064
00:49:30,000 --> 00:49:33,480
Speaker 3: as Colby became a student of the great Dan Lambert

1065
00:49:33,520 --> 00:49:36,080
Speaker 3: on how to become a pro wrestling heel, I don't

1066
00:49:36,080 --> 00:49:38,959
Speaker 3: feel like he's ever added to those teachings. And boy

1067
00:49:39,080 --> 00:49:40,680
Speaker 3: is it cringe. I mean, the close up he got

1068
00:49:40,680 --> 00:49:43,200
Speaker 3: this weekend of the interviews he did, it's like, damn,

1069
00:49:43,239 --> 00:49:45,440
Speaker 3: can we get a Can we get a strategist, a

1070
00:49:45,480 --> 00:49:47,680
Speaker 3: strategist in his corner, Luke and help him figure out

1071
00:49:47,680 --> 00:49:49,719
Speaker 3: a new angle here on how to be this villainous

1072
00:49:49,719 --> 00:49:52,920
Speaker 3: trash talking character. Because it's pretty not you know, it's

1073
00:49:52,920 --> 00:49:54,239
Speaker 3: pretty vanilla right now. It is.

1074
00:49:54,719 --> 00:49:56,960
Speaker 2: It's coming to a close. It's coming He's thirty five.

1075
00:49:56,960 --> 00:49:58,720
Speaker 2: He's got a few big fights left and that's probably

1076
00:49:58,760 --> 00:50:02,120
Speaker 2: about it, so we'll see BC. Speaking of big fights,

1077
00:50:02,200 --> 00:50:05,359
Speaker 2: let's talk about this one. How about that co main event? Man,

1078
00:50:05,400 --> 00:50:07,200
Speaker 2: can you imagine if that thing was five rounds? I

1079
00:50:07,200 --> 00:50:09,240
Speaker 2: don't know how much longer it would have gone past three?

1080
00:50:09,440 --> 00:50:13,880
Speaker 2: But the three we got were incredible. How about Justin Geechee,

1081
00:50:13,960 --> 00:50:18,040
Speaker 2: Ladies and gentlemen, What a performance by him? Because BC,

1082
00:50:18,760 --> 00:50:20,640
Speaker 2: a lot of the things that we had expected from

1083
00:50:20,719 --> 00:50:24,080
Speaker 2: Phyzeve were true. How about the upper cuts, well, actually

1084
00:50:24,080 --> 00:50:26,080
Speaker 2: from Gecha we called those, But how about this did

1085
00:50:26,120 --> 00:50:28,680
Speaker 2: I not call explicitly? And you heard him talk about

1086
00:50:28,680 --> 00:50:31,719
Speaker 2: it on the broadcast? The speed of physive, dude, he

1087
00:50:31,920 --> 00:50:36,120
Speaker 2: was wheeling and dealing through certainly the first round, good

1088
00:50:36,120 --> 00:50:40,919
Speaker 2: portions of the second, but Justin Geechee absolutely storming back

1089
00:50:41,320 --> 00:50:43,600
Speaker 2: in the third. Second round was close enough. He gets

1090
00:50:43,600 --> 00:50:45,120
Speaker 2: the nod in the end ale though that was pretty

1091
00:50:45,120 --> 00:50:48,839
Speaker 2: close too, BC. How was he able to do it?

1092
00:50:48,880 --> 00:50:51,040
Speaker 2: What did Justin Geechee do to get this win? And

1093
00:50:51,200 --> 00:50:54,040
Speaker 2: what does this win mean? We'll start first with the

1094
00:50:54,080 --> 00:50:56,040
Speaker 2: title picture at one fifty five.

1095
00:50:56,400 --> 00:50:58,319
Speaker 3: Well, quickly, you know, he weathered the storm of that

1096
00:50:58,360 --> 00:51:01,600
Speaker 3: first round when the speed difference in the technique technical

1097
00:51:01,600 --> 00:51:04,840
Speaker 3: difference was on high alert because it is hard to

1098
00:51:04,920 --> 00:51:08,360
Speaker 3: match physique when he's when he's fresh coming out of

1099
00:51:08,360 --> 00:51:10,239
Speaker 3: the gate. I mean those those I mean he would

1100
00:51:10,320 --> 00:51:12,520
Speaker 3: dart in for those you know, body kicks and just

1101
00:51:12,560 --> 00:51:14,520
Speaker 3: get the hell out of there after landing a big pop.

1102
00:51:14,840 --> 00:51:17,000
Speaker 3: But I really felt Gei Chee made an adjustment in

1103
00:51:17,040 --> 00:51:20,000
Speaker 3: the second round to shorten up his punches, not wing

1104
00:51:20,040 --> 00:51:21,960
Speaker 3: them as much as is Look, he was thrown in

1105
00:51:21,960 --> 00:51:23,640
Speaker 3: the first round luke the kind of hooks he throws

1106
00:51:23,680 --> 00:51:26,120
Speaker 3: when it's two way mono a mono battle. I thought

1107
00:51:26,120 --> 00:51:28,640
Speaker 3: he made some very slight adjustments in the second round,

1108
00:51:28,960 --> 00:51:31,239
Speaker 3: and then ultimately it became a lot of what the

1109
00:51:31,239 --> 00:51:33,759
Speaker 3: commentary was talking about, the fact that Gey Chee wasn't

1110
00:51:33,800 --> 00:51:36,680
Speaker 3: going anywhere and he got rocked at certain points in

1111
00:51:36,680 --> 00:51:38,760
Speaker 3: the first round and early in the second by Physige,

1112
00:51:38,760 --> 00:51:41,000
Speaker 3: where that was certainly in play because you know, look

1113
00:51:41,040 --> 00:51:43,560
Speaker 3: at Phyziv's run of knockouts of late. But I thought

1114
00:51:43,560 --> 00:51:46,479
Speaker 3: Geiche really figured out how to fight him at close terms,

1115
00:51:46,480 --> 00:51:48,360
Speaker 3: get off his power shots at a little bit of

1116
00:51:48,880 --> 00:51:52,879
Speaker 3: craft and wrinkle to it, and he learned phazive into

1117
00:51:52,960 --> 00:51:54,959
Speaker 3: an area where It basically was like, if you're going

1118
00:51:55,000 --> 00:51:57,160
Speaker 3: to knock me out, you're gonna have to stand in

1119
00:51:57,200 --> 00:51:59,839
Speaker 3: the trenches with me, like Eddie Alvarez and Dustin Poorrier did,

1120
00:51:59,880 --> 00:52:02,359
Speaker 3: and be willing to. And you know that's not the

1121
00:52:02,360 --> 00:52:05,320
Speaker 3: best use of Physiv's game, even though he can dart

1122
00:52:05,400 --> 00:52:07,799
Speaker 3: inside on you and land big strikes, and you know

1123
00:52:07,840 --> 00:52:11,000
Speaker 3: he wore obviously a lot of that in return. But

1124
00:52:11,600 --> 00:52:13,880
Speaker 3: I think Fazev needed this to kind of, you know,

1125
00:52:14,080 --> 00:52:16,000
Speaker 3: to kind of level out at this moment of the

1126
00:52:16,040 --> 00:52:18,480
Speaker 3: things he needs to add and work on a lot

1127
00:52:18,520 --> 00:52:20,760
Speaker 3: of people are gonna get blown away by first round Phyziv,

1128
00:52:20,800 --> 00:52:23,879
Speaker 3: even at this elite level, he's that good. But Justin

1129
00:52:23,920 --> 00:52:28,120
Speaker 3: Geechee was grittier. And you know as much as I,

1130
00:52:28,200 --> 00:52:31,319
Speaker 3: you know, I wrongly, just like I wrongly framed that

1131
00:52:31,360 --> 00:52:33,239
Speaker 3: Pourier would show up old and that Chandler fight, A

1132
00:52:33,320 --> 00:52:36,560
Speaker 3: wrongly frame that we'd see a Geechee that would return

1133
00:52:36,600 --> 00:52:39,080
Speaker 3: to more of that caveman style and go away from

1134
00:52:39,120 --> 00:52:41,960
Speaker 3: some of the changes that made him super elite for

1135
00:52:41,960 --> 00:52:44,640
Speaker 3: a season. No, he leaned back into those luke and

1136
00:52:44,640 --> 00:52:46,400
Speaker 3: there was enough of the threat of the takedown he

1137
00:52:46,400 --> 00:52:48,720
Speaker 3: gave us the obligatory takedown attempt and then he scored

1138
00:52:48,760 --> 00:52:50,960
Speaker 3: the one finally at the close of the third round.

1139
00:52:51,360 --> 00:52:53,440
Speaker 3: But I like that he said he's not going to

1140
00:52:53,520 --> 00:52:55,160
Speaker 3: be here for a long time. He's thirty four. He's

1141
00:52:55,200 --> 00:52:57,520
Speaker 3: taking it in a godly amount of risk and damage.

1142
00:52:58,000 --> 00:53:01,520
Speaker 3: But in this short window, Luke, he absolutely still is

1143
00:53:01,560 --> 00:53:07,080
Speaker 3: a viable lightweight contender. But it's not like Physius trying

1144
00:53:07,080 --> 00:53:09,279
Speaker 3: to take him down Luke. And when does ge Chee

1145
00:53:09,320 --> 00:53:11,879
Speaker 3: come up empty at the super elite level. His lack

1146
00:53:11,920 --> 00:53:15,200
Speaker 3: of a jiu jitsu grappling submission game there and does

1147
00:53:15,280 --> 00:53:17,960
Speaker 3: lack of his use of his own wrestling game. So

1148
00:53:18,640 --> 00:53:20,759
Speaker 3: this was the ticket that showed us he's still here.

1149
00:53:20,800 --> 00:53:22,480
Speaker 3: He's still in this and he's certainly got a big

1150
00:53:22,560 --> 00:53:24,879
Speaker 3: enough name and experience where if he gets a call

1151
00:53:24,920 --> 00:53:26,680
Speaker 3: at any point, whether it be one more fight for

1152
00:53:26,760 --> 00:53:28,640
Speaker 3: the title, or he's still in that spot where he

1153
00:53:28,640 --> 00:53:30,359
Speaker 3: could get a call at any point. When you're that,

1154
00:53:30,600 --> 00:53:32,640
Speaker 3: you know he's got a chance here Luke to still

1155
00:53:32,680 --> 00:53:34,759
Speaker 3: live out the dream. But I think he still got

1156
00:53:34,760 --> 00:53:37,719
Speaker 3: to go back into the workshop and and and try

1157
00:53:37,719 --> 00:53:40,239
Speaker 3: to work on some things. And I think we're seeing

1158
00:53:40,280 --> 00:53:43,000
Speaker 3: more and more Luke when people dedicate themselves. Like if

1159
00:53:43,000 --> 00:53:45,640
Speaker 3: you're not known, let's say for stopping takedowns, and then

1160
00:53:45,680 --> 00:53:49,360
Speaker 3: you dedicate yourself to it, you can make quick growth

1161
00:53:49,400 --> 00:53:51,960
Speaker 3: and quick evolutions, you know what I mean. Like not everybody,

1162
00:53:51,960 --> 00:53:56,799
Speaker 3: not every circumstance. But this was ultimately matchup dependent, I think,

1163
00:53:56,800 --> 00:53:58,759
Speaker 3: where he was able to pull it out against such

1164
00:53:58,800 --> 00:54:01,560
Speaker 3: a guy so dangerous. But he deserves to still be

1165
00:54:01,600 --> 00:54:04,000
Speaker 3: in this title picture, and I'm unhappy because he is,

1166
00:54:04,719 --> 00:54:07,240
Speaker 3: along with Dustin who's still lingering. These are the last

1167
00:54:07,280 --> 00:54:09,719
Speaker 3: of the Mohicans and this incredible class of lightweights that

1168
00:54:09,760 --> 00:54:11,520
Speaker 3: stormed through and made some of the best fights we've

1169
00:54:11,520 --> 00:54:15,000
Speaker 3: ever seen and made just such great rivalries. They're all

1170
00:54:15,040 --> 00:54:17,719
Speaker 3: going into you know, a legend old guy mode. Now,

1171
00:54:18,160 --> 00:54:20,600
Speaker 3: this is Geechee's probably the last guy, along with Poy,

1172
00:54:20,640 --> 00:54:21,920
Speaker 3: who still got one more shot at this.

1173
00:54:22,360 --> 00:54:23,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, these guys are not going to go

1174
00:54:23,840 --> 00:54:27,600
Speaker 2: away quietly. It tells you the the strength of this

1175
00:54:27,719 --> 00:54:31,000
Speaker 2: class of lightweights is so formidable that even a guy

1176
00:54:31,040 --> 00:54:34,479
Speaker 2: like Phyziv, who was poised to do well and did

1177
00:54:34,560 --> 00:54:37,719
Speaker 2: do well for long stretches, couldn't keep it up enough

1178
00:54:37,719 --> 00:54:40,000
Speaker 2: in the end. What a special group of lightweights, of

1179
00:54:40,040 --> 00:54:42,799
Speaker 2: which Geegee is a part, but again, the guys that

1180
00:54:42,960 --> 00:54:45,399
Speaker 2: been in his era are some of the best you'll

1181
00:54:45,440 --> 00:54:47,040
Speaker 2: ever see. So I want to sort of make a

1182
00:54:47,040 --> 00:54:51,040
Speaker 2: moment historically like that class of lightweights exceptional. I thought

1183
00:54:51,040 --> 00:54:52,960
Speaker 2: this was so impressive from Justin Gaegee and like the

1184
00:54:53,000 --> 00:54:54,839
Speaker 2: real to me, one of the big keys to him

1185
00:54:54,840 --> 00:54:59,360
Speaker 2: doing it was the jab. The jab. It made physive

1186
00:54:59,480 --> 00:55:01,520
Speaker 2: more hit up and it slowed him down at the

1187
00:55:01,520 --> 00:55:04,920
Speaker 2: same time, right, because if he's constantly kicking and going away,

1188
00:55:06,000 --> 00:55:07,680
Speaker 2: there's not much you can do. But as he moves

1189
00:55:07,880 --> 00:55:09,799
Speaker 2: you can pump that jab in there in front of him.

1190
00:55:10,040 --> 00:55:12,160
Speaker 2: It's disruptive to him. He had a longer reach, he

1191
00:55:12,200 --> 00:55:14,680
Speaker 2: was actually using it, I thought, more effectively finally, and

1192
00:55:14,719 --> 00:55:17,240
Speaker 2: he was really able to find and slow down physique

1193
00:55:17,280 --> 00:55:19,759
Speaker 2: over time. And then how about those uppercuts? Dude? Did

1194
00:55:19,800 --> 00:55:22,600
Speaker 2: we not call the uppercuts of Justin Gai Chee to

1195
00:55:22,800 --> 00:55:25,799
Speaker 2: a tee on Wednesday? And last Friday you saw those

1196
00:55:25,840 --> 00:55:29,239
Speaker 2: play out massively in the third round. So this is

1197
00:55:29,280 --> 00:55:31,239
Speaker 2: what I love about that finish. It wasn't just that

1198
00:55:31,239 --> 00:55:33,920
Speaker 2: he had to endure getting rocked, which he did and

1199
00:55:34,000 --> 00:55:36,960
Speaker 2: tremendous pain, which I'm sure he did. Dude. He had

1200
00:55:37,000 --> 00:55:40,319
Speaker 2: a strategic answer, like we go back to the main event.

1201
00:55:40,400 --> 00:55:43,080
Speaker 2: What was missing? Qumaro didn't have an answer for it.

1202
00:55:43,920 --> 00:55:46,400
Speaker 2: Justin gai Chie did. Justin gai Chie did have an

1203
00:55:46,440 --> 00:55:50,160
Speaker 2: answer for the for what's another way in which I

1204
00:55:50,160 --> 00:55:53,400
Speaker 2: can approach this problem in terms of diagnosing it and

1205
00:55:53,440 --> 00:55:57,480
Speaker 2: then having a problem solving solution ready to go. He did.

1206
00:55:57,920 --> 00:56:01,239
Speaker 2: He did that. He did at age thirty four. Probably well,

1207
00:56:01,280 --> 00:56:03,160
Speaker 2: I guess by the way it was judged, it wasn't

1208
00:56:03,160 --> 00:56:04,960
Speaker 2: down on the cards. But you know he didn't know

1209
00:56:05,040 --> 00:56:06,759
Speaker 2: going into round three he might have been down the

1210
00:56:06,760 --> 00:56:08,960
Speaker 2: cards too. Oh right, He had no clue. And so

1211
00:56:09,360 --> 00:56:13,400
Speaker 2: that was to me, dude, so impressive from Justin Gaichie,

1212
00:56:13,400 --> 00:56:16,920
Speaker 2: the old one thought Alvarez and Pourier he would have

1213
00:56:17,000 --> 00:56:19,440
Speaker 2: just kept lunging forward or something like you would not

1214
00:56:19,480 --> 00:56:22,799
Speaker 2: have had the same thoughtful response. So what I love

1215
00:56:22,800 --> 00:56:24,799
Speaker 2: about Justin Gaigchee is, dude, if he wants to be

1216
00:56:24,840 --> 00:56:28,000
Speaker 2: a barbarian, trust me when I don't even need to

1217
00:56:28,000 --> 00:56:30,359
Speaker 2: tell anyone out there. You know he has that gear

1218
00:56:30,360 --> 00:56:34,320
Speaker 2: in him at all times. But BC here he didn't

1219
00:56:34,800 --> 00:56:36,839
Speaker 2: let up off the violence. Look at look at the

1220
00:56:36,880 --> 00:56:39,399
Speaker 2: face of Physie by the time the fight was over.

1221
00:56:39,840 --> 00:56:43,320
Speaker 2: But he outthought him. That is what I love, still

1222
00:56:43,520 --> 00:56:48,399
Speaker 2: outthinking opponents, coming up with the right solutions and having

1223
00:56:48,400 --> 00:56:50,360
Speaker 2: a little bit of that dog in on which everyone

1224
00:56:50,400 --> 00:56:52,839
Speaker 2: talks about, to bring it to life, to take the

1225
00:56:52,840 --> 00:56:55,479
Speaker 2: fight to physive no matter what those guys were throwing

1226
00:56:55,520 --> 00:56:58,759
Speaker 2: at each other. Man, I have so much respect for

1227
00:56:58,920 --> 00:57:02,800
Speaker 2: this win by justin earned it. Absolutely, I would argue

1228
00:57:03,000 --> 00:57:05,120
Speaker 2: one of the hardest ways to earn that fight the

1229
00:57:05,160 --> 00:57:07,799
Speaker 2: win was the way he did it, and uh he

1230
00:57:07,840 --> 00:57:10,520
Speaker 2: did age thirty four extremely impressive.

1231
00:57:10,600 --> 00:57:12,759
Speaker 3: He's also a special guy who's able to weather that

1232
00:57:12,880 --> 00:57:15,200
Speaker 3: storm of physive, of that very high pace and the

1233
00:57:15,280 --> 00:57:19,120
Speaker 3: violence in there, and physive learned that when he slows down,

1234
00:57:19,480 --> 00:57:23,200
Speaker 3: you know, inevitably due to you know, fatigue and damage

1235
00:57:23,480 --> 00:57:26,520
Speaker 3: against a guy this good. There is a difference between

1236
00:57:26,560 --> 00:57:28,320
Speaker 3: the physiva in the first three four minutes of a

1237
00:57:28,400 --> 00:57:32,160
Speaker 3: fight and rounds two and three of a hotly contested

1238
00:57:32,160 --> 00:57:34,240
Speaker 3: fight against an elite guy who won't go anywhere. So

1239
00:57:34,520 --> 00:57:36,520
Speaker 3: I think there's still a lot that physiv can add

1240
00:57:36,560 --> 00:57:40,520
Speaker 3: from this, uh you know, technically, certain mentally and evolve

1241
00:57:40,600 --> 00:57:43,120
Speaker 3: from this and continue to work on that gas tank too.

1242
00:57:43,160 --> 00:57:46,360
Speaker 3: But yeah, I mean, that's a mature that's a mature

1243
00:57:46,400 --> 00:57:48,600
Speaker 3: ass veteran win from him. And it was really great

1244
00:57:48,600 --> 00:57:50,600
Speaker 3: to see after I you know, after both of us

1245
00:57:50,640 --> 00:57:53,320
Speaker 3: sort of softly counted them out right sort of said.

1246
00:57:53,240 --> 00:57:55,720
Speaker 2: I mean I thought, you know, you thought he could win,

1247
00:57:56,400 --> 00:57:58,960
Speaker 2: but you didn't think he'd win by just kind of

1248
00:57:59,160 --> 00:58:02,919
Speaker 2: dummying physics. Even the third that one was like, wow, man,

1249
00:58:03,000 --> 00:58:05,480
Speaker 2: he really had something for him here in a way

1250
00:58:05,520 --> 00:58:07,760
Speaker 2: that that part I just didn't expect that.

1251
00:58:07,800 --> 00:58:10,800
Speaker 3: I really did want to talk about your boy, Paul Sutherland,

1252
00:58:10,800 --> 00:58:14,320
Speaker 3: who gave a ten eight round for Gaegee and Ross Free,

1253
00:58:14,360 --> 00:58:16,720
Speaker 3: which didn't make sense, but made it a twenty eight

1254
00:58:16,800 --> 00:58:20,200
Speaker 3: twenty eight scorecard to make it a majority decision. And look,

1255
00:58:20,280 --> 00:58:24,160
Speaker 3: that's after blowing the Deleedes Avatory one kind of by

1256
00:58:24,160 --> 00:58:27,440
Speaker 3: going thirty twenty seven victory and then scoring at thirty

1257
00:58:27,520 --> 00:58:30,520
Speaker 3: twenty seven for the guy that lost badly against Chris

1258
00:58:30,600 --> 00:58:33,120
Speaker 3: Duncan and that Omar Morales in that early fight.

1259
00:58:33,280 --> 00:58:35,440
Speaker 2: Yeah seven Morales, Yeah.

1260
00:58:35,280 --> 00:58:38,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, wow, dude, s for Sutherland over here? Who is

1261
00:58:38,720 --> 00:58:40,840
Speaker 3: this guy the next Doug Crosby. What's going on here?

1262
00:58:41,280 --> 00:58:45,760
Speaker 2: Yeah? Those were some strange scorecards. I would not use

1263
00:58:45,760 --> 00:58:48,200
Speaker 2: that gentleman again if I I'm not here to like

1264
00:58:48,240 --> 00:58:49,760
Speaker 2: do one of these bits, like these judges are the

1265
00:58:49,800 --> 00:58:52,480
Speaker 2: worst people. Seems like an inexperienced judge just not a

1266
00:58:52,560 --> 00:58:53,960
Speaker 2: very good one and looks to me like he needs

1267
00:58:53,960 --> 00:58:56,040
Speaker 2: a little bit more work. So you know, I'll leave

1268
00:58:56,040 --> 00:58:59,200
Speaker 2: it at that. But in the end, you know, the

1269
00:58:59,280 --> 00:59:02,320
Speaker 2: right people one there's not like somebody who really has

1270
00:59:02,360 --> 00:59:05,760
Speaker 2: a strong case otherwise. But yeah, that his scoring awful

1271
00:59:05,840 --> 00:59:08,760
Speaker 2: and by the way, one thing on Phyzive, he clearly

1272
00:59:08,760 --> 00:59:11,080
Speaker 2: looked faster, right, that part was true. I was a

1273
00:59:11,080 --> 00:59:14,720
Speaker 2: little bit surprised at how much smaller he looked than Gegee, yeah,

1274
00:59:14,840 --> 00:59:17,200
Speaker 2: do you think he can make one forty five? Or

1275
00:59:17,200 --> 00:59:18,640
Speaker 2: am I being great?

1276
00:59:18,640 --> 00:59:21,040
Speaker 3: I mean, if he if he could luke this, this

1277
00:59:21,120 --> 00:59:23,840
Speaker 3: is uh, it'd be an interesting Uh. It's been an

1278
00:59:23,880 --> 00:59:27,840
Speaker 3: interesting idea to throw into the uh, into doctor Frankenstein's

1279
00:59:27,920 --> 00:59:29,720
Speaker 3: lab here and figure this out. He could come out

1280
00:59:30,080 --> 00:59:33,640
Speaker 3: dynamically dangerous. But yeah, got you know he's he's he's

1281
00:59:33,680 --> 00:59:37,200
Speaker 3: already jacked and cut a ship luke, So I don't know, yeah.

1282
00:59:37,080 --> 00:59:39,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I mean I'm asking a lot, I recognize that,

1283
00:59:39,280 --> 00:59:41,080
Speaker 2: but it was just kind of interesting, Like I do

1284
00:59:41,200 --> 00:59:44,640
Speaker 2: think I had not. I did not realize the difference

1285
00:59:44,720 --> 00:59:47,360
Speaker 2: was as big as it was, And I do think

1286
00:59:47,400 --> 00:59:49,360
Speaker 2: in the end that played a little bit of a role.

1287
00:59:50,080 --> 00:59:52,920
Speaker 2: Justin's sturdiness and then his own power punching. It looked

1288
00:59:52,920 --> 00:59:56,240
Speaker 2: like it looked like Phyziv's kicks can drop a horse,

1289
00:59:56,280 --> 00:59:57,760
Speaker 2: but it looks like his punches sometimes it can be

1290
00:59:57,760 --> 00:59:59,880
Speaker 2: great sometimes, and they were. They were hurting justin two.

1291
01:00:00,080 --> 01:00:01,919
Speaker 2: They were not quite enough to get him out of there.

1292
01:00:02,320 --> 01:00:04,480
Speaker 2: And to me, like some of Justin's punches wore on

1293
01:00:04,600 --> 01:00:08,880
Speaker 2: him quite heavily. But you know, either way, it wasn't

1294
01:00:08,880 --> 01:00:11,880
Speaker 2: like the Zeve performed poorly. He just he met a

1295
01:00:11,960 --> 01:00:14,560
Speaker 2: veteran who had a great call in the third and

1296
01:00:14,640 --> 01:00:17,520
Speaker 2: part of the second two and he got beat. He

1297
01:00:17,520 --> 01:00:19,360
Speaker 2: got beat by a better guy that night, simple as that.

1298
01:00:19,560 --> 01:00:22,120
Speaker 2: So the new class of one to fifty five ers

1299
01:00:22,240 --> 01:00:24,240
Speaker 2: with the z's and the v's in their name, they're

1300
01:00:24,240 --> 01:00:27,720
Speaker 2: still coming BC, but it's a it's a tough road

1301
01:00:27,840 --> 01:00:33,320
Speaker 2: to push that Parier gae che Ferguson Habid, that whole class.

1302
01:00:33,360 --> 01:00:34,640
Speaker 2: It's gonna be tough to get them out of there

1303
01:00:34,720 --> 01:00:35,200
Speaker 2: very easily.

1304
01:00:35,440 --> 01:00:40,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, Luke, what movie That horse is a diabetic.

1305
01:00:41,240 --> 01:00:42,000
Speaker 2: I don't remember.

1306
01:00:43,440 --> 01:00:45,200
Speaker 3: Come on, half baked, Come on.

1307
01:00:45,560 --> 01:00:47,479
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I haven't seen half baked in a while.

1308
01:00:47,480 --> 01:00:48,960
Speaker 2: And then you know I was half baked when I

1309
01:00:48,960 --> 01:00:51,680
Speaker 2: saw it. So there you go. All right, BC, let's

1310
01:00:51,680 --> 01:00:53,320
Speaker 2: talk about this one because I know this one's gonna

1311
01:00:53,360 --> 01:00:57,000
Speaker 2: rub you the wrong way. Marvin Vattori. So Marvin Vattori

1312
01:00:57,320 --> 01:01:00,640
Speaker 2: edges and I do mean edges the leads that he

1313
01:01:00,640 --> 01:01:02,160
Speaker 2: gets back in the win. Calm again. Some of the

1314
01:01:02,160 --> 01:01:05,680
Speaker 2: scores were whatever, But okay, he gets the win. BC.

1315
01:01:07,320 --> 01:01:11,320
Speaker 2: Did victory reassert himself in the middleweight division with this win?

1316
01:01:12,880 --> 01:01:17,160
Speaker 3: Yes? And no victory. Well rounded nature of his game,

1317
01:01:18,240 --> 01:01:20,160
Speaker 3: it's what won him this game against a guy who

1318
01:01:20,240 --> 01:01:22,240
Speaker 3: was a little bit more raw, guy who had huge

1319
01:01:22,240 --> 01:01:24,560
Speaker 3: power in the first round and was hulking, but the

1320
01:01:24,600 --> 01:01:27,240
Speaker 3: guy who started to slow down in his biggest fight

1321
01:01:27,280 --> 01:01:29,680
Speaker 3: to date, Roman Deledze, stepping up a fair level of

1322
01:01:29,720 --> 01:01:34,480
Speaker 3: competition after a spectacular twenty twenty two, Vittori used some

1323
01:01:34,480 --> 01:01:36,480
Speaker 3: of those veteran skills. I mean, luke he is. You know,

1324
01:01:36,560 --> 01:01:38,680
Speaker 3: we know the shape he comes in, we know the

1325
01:01:38,680 --> 01:01:41,280
Speaker 3: incredible chin he has, but we always talk about it.

1326
01:01:41,320 --> 01:01:44,440
Speaker 3: He's he's pretty well rounded. Unfortunately, on like a warning

1327
01:01:44,480 --> 01:01:47,320
Speaker 3: track level across the board. So he after that first

1328
01:01:47,400 --> 01:01:49,200
Speaker 3: round when he got you know, his nose bloodied and

1329
01:01:49,200 --> 01:01:51,800
Speaker 3: he got marked up and banged up a little bit,

1330
01:01:52,240 --> 01:01:55,960
Speaker 3: he made some very nice adjustments to really start to

1331
01:01:56,080 --> 01:01:59,520
Speaker 3: expose some of that rawness in Roman Deledze and pull

1332
01:01:59,560 --> 01:02:02,520
Speaker 3: out of this decision that knee jerk I didn't agree with.

1333
01:02:02,600 --> 01:02:04,640
Speaker 3: I thought twenty nine twenty eight Delee was a little

1334
01:02:04,640 --> 01:02:06,680
Speaker 3: bit better. That last round could have gone either way,

1335
01:02:07,200 --> 01:02:09,360
Speaker 3: uh and had they both had some big moments there,

1336
01:02:09,840 --> 01:02:12,680
Speaker 3: but certainly a score you could get yourself too in

1337
01:02:12,720 --> 01:02:16,280
Speaker 3: a close competitive fight. Didn't love thirty twenty seven from

1338
01:02:16,320 --> 01:02:19,520
Speaker 3: Paul Sutherland, But that's another topic. But Luke, I don't

1339
01:02:19,560 --> 01:02:22,160
Speaker 3: know if he's if he's still figured out the identity

1340
01:02:22,200 --> 01:02:24,760
Speaker 3: crisis of how do you beat the very elites when

1341
01:02:24,800 --> 01:02:28,680
Speaker 3: you're not a finishing threat in any one category?

1342
01:02:28,920 --> 01:02:32,320
Speaker 2: Great call, great call, Sorry, go ahead.

1343
01:02:32,960 --> 01:02:35,520
Speaker 3: That's it. That's the analysis right there, Luke. Yeah, I

1344
01:02:35,680 --> 01:02:37,720
Speaker 3: think I think that fits in bits in the cupboard.

1345
01:02:37,840 --> 01:02:40,440
Speaker 3: Sometimes I'll, I'll, I don't you know, Sometimes I'm credible.

1346
01:02:40,680 --> 01:02:43,240
Speaker 2: Sometimes yeahah no, No, I think that I think you

1347
01:02:43,360 --> 01:02:46,000
Speaker 2: nailed it. PC, I really do. Here's the difference. See

1348
01:02:46,120 --> 01:02:48,720
Speaker 2: in the end, this is why. Tell me if you

1349
01:02:48,760 --> 01:02:52,640
Speaker 2: think this is a good explanation for why for Torri won.

1350
01:02:52,840 --> 01:02:55,400
Speaker 2: And this isn't obviously the sum total something, it's kind

1351
01:02:55,400 --> 01:02:58,760
Speaker 2: of what it represents. But Vittori landed one hundred and

1352
01:02:58,840 --> 01:03:02,160
Speaker 2: six significant strikes the Leeds a just seventy one on

1353
01:03:02,240 --> 01:03:05,760
Speaker 2: a basic level. On a basic level, Vittori was just busier,

1354
01:03:05,840 --> 01:03:08,720
Speaker 2: busier with the jab and just kind of pressing the

1355
01:03:08,760 --> 01:03:11,560
Speaker 2: action a little bit more at a time to be

1356
01:03:11,680 --> 01:03:14,680
Speaker 2: like okay, but he didn't. It was this accumulative work

1357
01:03:15,000 --> 01:03:17,440
Speaker 2: that he was able to get. So I appreciate that

1358
01:03:17,480 --> 01:03:19,320
Speaker 2: he was able to do that, especially against a very

1359
01:03:19,360 --> 01:03:21,960
Speaker 2: hard hitting de Leeds. He rocked him a couple of times.

1360
01:03:22,440 --> 01:03:25,320
Speaker 2: But if Vittoria is tough, dude, he's physical, he's a

1361
01:03:25,360 --> 01:03:27,360
Speaker 2: big guy, and I think he fits really well at

1362
01:03:27,360 --> 01:03:30,400
Speaker 2: one eight five, and he really wants to win, like

1363
01:03:30,440 --> 01:03:33,560
Speaker 2: he doesn't run from tough challenges. And I will also

1364
01:03:33,640 --> 01:03:36,400
Speaker 2: say this was his first camp with a first camp

1365
01:03:36,480 --> 01:03:38,360
Speaker 2: in a new camp. Right, he's the extreme coutur. Now

1366
01:03:38,360 --> 01:03:40,680
Speaker 2: he's prey at King's Mma. It's going to take a

1367
01:03:40,720 --> 01:03:43,240
Speaker 2: little while for that to really for the dividends of

1368
01:03:43,240 --> 01:03:45,880
Speaker 2: the camp switch to really show up. It doesn't always

1369
01:03:45,880 --> 01:03:50,800
Speaker 2: happen automatically. Sometimes it can take two or three eric. So, No,

1370
01:03:50,800 --> 01:03:53,760
Speaker 2: I didn't see Nixtic there. I saw Dewey Cooper was there,

1371
01:03:54,000 --> 01:03:55,640
Speaker 2: Loue Cooper was in his corner, and some other guys

1372
01:03:55,640 --> 01:03:56,800
Speaker 2: I can't remember off the top of my head. But

1373
01:03:56,800 --> 01:03:59,080
Speaker 2: I did see Dewey Cooper there, who's a phenomenal coach, right,

1374
01:03:59,080 --> 01:04:01,240
Speaker 2: He's a great coach. So it takes some time to

1375
01:04:01,280 --> 01:04:04,760
Speaker 2: get there. But the same concerns I think I still have.

1376
01:04:05,280 --> 01:04:09,200
Speaker 2: I appreciated the grittiness and the willingness of a Tory

1377
01:04:09,280 --> 01:04:11,480
Speaker 2: to just kind of kind of keep poking when he

1378
01:04:11,520 --> 01:04:14,200
Speaker 2: had to, and that was the difference. But did I

1379
01:04:14,280 --> 01:04:17,240
Speaker 2: see anything there that leads me to believe he's still

1380
01:04:17,240 --> 01:04:19,760
Speaker 2: on a path to claim a title by having the

1381
01:04:19,760 --> 01:04:22,920
Speaker 2: technical development that he needs. No, I did not see that.

1382
01:04:22,960 --> 01:04:25,000
Speaker 2: Now he's still young, at twenty eight or so, he's

1383
01:04:25,040 --> 01:04:27,360
Speaker 2: still got time. He's still got plenty of time. I'll

1384
01:04:27,360 --> 01:04:28,400
Speaker 2: look up his age here to be sure.

1385
01:04:28,440 --> 01:04:30,480
Speaker 3: Just you just don't want him to take too much,

1386
01:04:30,880 --> 01:04:33,320
Speaker 3: you know, to let the grind and take too much damage,

1387
01:04:33,320 --> 01:04:35,240
Speaker 3: because he does have a great chin and against the

1388
01:04:35,360 --> 01:04:37,720
Speaker 3: very elite. That's how he's been able to push them

1389
01:04:37,760 --> 01:04:40,600
Speaker 3: distances Luke to be in those fights, you know, ultimately

1390
01:04:40,640 --> 01:04:44,080
Speaker 3: one sided. But I don't know what the answer is.

1391
01:04:44,080 --> 01:04:47,960
Speaker 3: Is the answer retooling is striking to land more damage? Luke?

1392
01:04:48,040 --> 01:04:51,160
Speaker 3: Is it leaning into the idea that he's in incredible

1393
01:04:51,160 --> 01:04:53,720
Speaker 3: shape and he's hugely motivated. Should he be more about

1394
01:04:53,720 --> 01:04:56,200
Speaker 3: a high volume striker and try to win rounds that way?

1395
01:04:56,240 --> 01:04:58,720
Speaker 3: Should it be more about the wrestling. I'm not sure

1396
01:04:58,760 --> 01:05:01,120
Speaker 3: what it is, but that version of him is still

1397
01:05:01,160 --> 01:05:02,840
Speaker 3: not going to beat the very elite unless it's a

1398
01:05:03,600 --> 01:05:05,760
Speaker 3: matchup specific one, you know, like you talked about before.

1399
01:05:05,800 --> 01:05:08,320
Speaker 3: What about him against Poeton if that ever happened, Does

1400
01:05:08,360 --> 01:05:09,880
Speaker 3: he have an idea? You know, is there a lane

1401
01:05:09,880 --> 01:05:12,040
Speaker 3: in there where he can make that fight tougher? You

1402
01:05:12,080 --> 01:05:15,680
Speaker 3: know maybe? But uh, goodwin to its survive in advance? Deliz,

1403
01:05:15,920 --> 01:05:18,840
Speaker 3: who's older, has a smaller window.

1404
01:05:18,920 --> 01:05:21,480
Speaker 2: By the way of victory twenty nine, Yeah, in.

1405
01:05:21,520 --> 01:05:24,400
Speaker 3: Victoria and uh in delis thirty four, Luke and I

1406
01:05:24,440 --> 01:05:26,040
Speaker 3: thought it. You know, he lost the second round because

1407
01:05:26,040 --> 01:05:28,240
Speaker 3: he faded a bit after that. The pace he pushed

1408
01:05:28,280 --> 01:05:30,200
Speaker 3: in that first round. I did, like Luke that he

1409
01:05:30,240 --> 01:05:32,400
Speaker 3: bit down and came after it around the third. But

1410
01:05:32,920 --> 01:05:35,040
Speaker 3: you know, this fight was was supposed to tell us

1411
01:05:35,080 --> 01:05:37,840
Speaker 3: exactly whether he's ready to parachute into the top group.

1412
01:05:38,400 --> 01:05:41,080
Speaker 3: Not ready yet, but is there still time? What would

1413
01:05:41,120 --> 01:05:43,840
Speaker 3: you do with with a with a raw, dangerous package

1414
01:05:43,880 --> 01:05:46,200
Speaker 3: like Roman, delize to try to maximize it.

1415
01:05:46,880 --> 01:05:51,040
Speaker 2: For Roman, it looked to me like distance closing was

1416
01:05:51,080 --> 01:05:53,080
Speaker 2: a bit of a problem, like when he can close

1417
01:05:53,120 --> 01:05:55,280
Speaker 2: the distance or when guys like crash into him because

1418
01:05:55,280 --> 01:05:58,720
Speaker 2: they don't have nimble footwork or they're you know, in

1419
01:05:58,800 --> 01:06:02,560
Speaker 2: Vittoria is surprisingly at maintaining range and kind of staying

1420
01:06:02,560 --> 01:06:04,600
Speaker 2: out of trouble for the most part. When guys can

1421
01:06:04,640 --> 01:06:05,880
Speaker 2: do that with him, it looked like to me like

1422
01:06:05,920 --> 01:06:07,560
Speaker 2: he just didn't have a lot of answers. He was

1423
01:06:07,600 --> 01:06:10,640
Speaker 2: kind of winging punches and it was a bit of

1424
01:06:10,720 --> 01:06:12,920
Speaker 2: a problem for him, and so Vittori was smart by

1425
01:06:12,920 --> 01:06:14,680
Speaker 2: slowing the fight down that way. Again, dude, vit Toy

1426
01:06:14,720 --> 01:06:17,600
Speaker 2: fought a good fight. He just didn't fight the kind

1427
01:06:17,600 --> 01:06:19,840
Speaker 2: of fight that I thought and give me the inspiration

1428
01:06:19,880 --> 01:06:21,880
Speaker 2: to say, oh he can he can absolutely contend for

1429
01:06:21,920 --> 01:06:23,840
Speaker 2: a title in twenty twenty three. I didn't see that,

1430
01:06:24,600 --> 01:06:26,480
Speaker 2: so delize agently needs to work. I think a little

1431
01:06:26,520 --> 01:06:30,760
Speaker 2: bit more on, you know, setting up from fifty to fifty, right, Like,

1432
01:06:30,800 --> 01:06:32,240
Speaker 2: where are we here? How do I get in? How

1433
01:06:32,280 --> 01:06:34,320
Speaker 2: do I make that work? Because obviously he's got a

1434
01:06:34,320 --> 01:06:38,200
Speaker 2: big punch, he's dynamic as a finisher. He attacks on

1435
01:06:38,280 --> 01:06:40,840
Speaker 2: the ground, huge ground to pound. That's a great way

1436
01:06:40,840 --> 01:06:43,360
Speaker 2: for him. It's just that distance closing. Bit of a

1437
01:06:43,440 --> 01:06:46,400
Speaker 2: challenge for him, a bit of a challenge. All right,

1438
01:06:46,400 --> 01:06:49,400
Speaker 2: we see we wrap up all things on UFC two

1439
01:06:49,400 --> 01:06:52,760
Speaker 2: eighty six with the following point number five. Tell me

1440
01:06:52,840 --> 01:06:55,240
Speaker 2: anyone else, anyone else at UFC two eighty six, who

1441
01:06:55,280 --> 01:06:58,400
Speaker 2: in your mind took a noticeable step up or a

1442
01:06:58,440 --> 01:06:59,600
Speaker 2: noticeable step down.

1443
01:07:01,120 --> 01:07:03,000
Speaker 3: Jack Shore had a nice comeback win in the new

1444
01:07:03,040 --> 01:07:06,840
Speaker 3: division at featherweight there against Makwan Amir Khani, and I

1445
01:07:06,840 --> 01:07:09,760
Speaker 3: think he challenged Dariel Hajwani to a darts match afterwards. Here, Luke,

1446
01:07:09,800 --> 01:07:12,680
Speaker 3: but I'm really focusing in on the development coming off

1447
01:07:12,720 --> 01:07:16,200
Speaker 3: of the loss to Ricky Simone. Not as bad of

1448
01:07:16,240 --> 01:07:19,560
Speaker 3: a weight cut for him, second round submission via rare

1449
01:07:19,640 --> 01:07:21,680
Speaker 3: naked choke. Should we get back on the Jack Shure

1450
01:07:21,760 --> 01:07:23,360
Speaker 3: hype train? Because I liked what I saw there out

1451
01:07:23,360 --> 01:07:25,960
Speaker 3: of the Is he a Welshman? Luke? Is that the truth?

1452
01:07:26,720 --> 01:07:28,120
Speaker 2: Jack Shore? I believe is a Welshman.

1453
01:07:28,240 --> 01:07:31,000
Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, so you know I've been adopted by them,

1454
01:07:31,040 --> 01:07:34,760
Speaker 3: so I see something in him. Do you like him

1455
01:07:34,760 --> 01:07:35,400
Speaker 3: as a featherweight?

1456
01:07:35,400 --> 01:07:41,480
Speaker 2: Now, I didn't get a great read about that. In

1457
01:07:41,560 --> 01:07:45,360
Speaker 2: beating Amir Khani. I don't know how much that tells me.

1458
01:07:45,400 --> 01:07:47,400
Speaker 2: It's a nice win, get back in the win column,

1459
01:07:47,440 --> 01:07:49,360
Speaker 2: like I'm not bashing it. That's like, what does that

1460
01:07:49,400 --> 01:07:51,240
Speaker 2: mean for his future? I won forty five, beating my

1461
01:07:51,600 --> 01:07:55,160
Speaker 2: Amir Kani in twenty three doesn't tell us much. So

1462
01:07:55,920 --> 01:07:58,120
Speaker 2: if you're asking, do I have like a high degree

1463
01:07:58,160 --> 01:08:01,640
Speaker 2: of confidence in his abilities? Yes, I think he's very talented.

1464
01:08:02,040 --> 01:08:04,200
Speaker 2: But let's see, let's see sort of my answer.

1465
01:08:04,520 --> 01:08:06,520
Speaker 3: I think I can say, okay, bet if I focus

1466
01:08:06,720 --> 01:08:09,800
Speaker 3: all my picks in the future on the UFC's women

1467
01:08:09,920 --> 01:08:12,320
Speaker 3: straweight and flyweight divisions, look, because.

1468
01:08:12,160 --> 01:08:13,960
Speaker 2: I do have any Yeah you might, Because I actually

1469
01:08:14,000 --> 01:08:17,120
Speaker 2: was gonna say my answer was Jennifer Maya beating Casey O'Neil, dude,

1470
01:08:17,160 --> 01:08:21,080
Speaker 2: Jennifer Mayah on the feet just looked way better, Yeah,

1471
01:08:21,280 --> 01:08:24,760
Speaker 2: just way better. She had better movement, better accuracy. She

1472
01:08:24,840 --> 01:08:27,640
Speaker 2: was getting off first, she was hitting in combination. She

1473
01:08:27,680 --> 01:08:29,599
Speaker 2: was getting off first and then getting off at angles

1474
01:08:29,680 --> 01:08:32,840
Speaker 2: like O'Neil I still have. It's not like I don't

1475
01:08:32,840 --> 01:08:35,240
Speaker 2: I think O'Neill's some kind of got terrible future or

1476
01:08:35,520 --> 01:08:37,640
Speaker 2: is a bad fighter. No, none of that. She just

1477
01:08:37,720 --> 01:08:39,960
Speaker 2: ran into someone that night who you could tell b see.

1478
01:08:40,200 --> 01:08:42,519
Speaker 2: Do I think Maya's the best fighter in that weight class. No,

1479
01:08:42,560 --> 01:08:44,080
Speaker 2: I don't think he's the best fighter that weight class.

1480
01:08:44,360 --> 01:08:47,080
Speaker 2: But she is clearly experienced. You can tell this as

1481
01:08:47,080 --> 01:08:49,160
Speaker 2: a fighter who's had some good fights, had some bad ones,

1482
01:08:49,280 --> 01:08:51,439
Speaker 2: had some tough competition, had some music, like, just done

1483
01:08:51,479 --> 01:08:53,640
Speaker 2: a lot of stuff in her career, knows how to

1484
01:08:53,640 --> 01:08:56,680
Speaker 2: build her own game plan, had a great one for

1485
01:08:56,760 --> 01:09:00,200
Speaker 2: this contest, and executed it and executed it over the

1486
01:09:00,280 --> 01:09:03,840
Speaker 2: full distance, no problems. I was very impressed my mind.

1487
01:09:03,880 --> 01:09:05,040
Speaker 2: I thought that was one of your better picks of

1488
01:09:05,080 --> 01:09:07,519
Speaker 2: the card in general, or the okay Beth segment. And

1489
01:09:07,960 --> 01:09:09,160
Speaker 2: she looked great. She looked great.

1490
01:09:09,240 --> 01:09:11,680
Speaker 3: I think she struggles that time with fighters who have

1491
01:09:11,960 --> 01:09:16,680
Speaker 3: a quick, accurate and plentiful jab. You know, and Caitlyn Chukagian,

1492
01:09:16,720 --> 01:09:18,720
Speaker 3: who she's lost to, twice, gave her a lot of

1493
01:09:19,040 --> 01:09:21,280
Speaker 3: problems with the footwork and sort of setting up strikes,

1494
01:09:21,320 --> 01:09:23,559
Speaker 3: and you know, we've seen her lose to Valentina, we've

1495
01:09:23,600 --> 01:09:26,640
Speaker 3: seen her lose at the high level before, but she

1496
01:09:26,680 --> 01:09:28,559
Speaker 3: didn't even rely on her ground game Luke, which can

1497
01:09:28,560 --> 01:09:30,559
Speaker 3: be a strong suit. And we saw her certainly challenged

1498
01:09:30,600 --> 01:09:33,160
Speaker 3: Chevchenko with that. She's thirty four years old right now.

1499
01:09:33,160 --> 01:09:35,800
Speaker 3: She's proved in this fight that she's still she's still

1500
01:09:35,840 --> 01:09:38,160
Speaker 3: alive in this game. And it was the improvement of

1501
01:09:38,160 --> 01:09:40,479
Speaker 3: her boxing and head movement. You said in learning how

1502
01:09:40,520 --> 01:09:42,160
Speaker 3: to make the right handed weapon. I thought a few

1503
01:09:42,160 --> 01:09:45,080
Speaker 3: times she gave you know, Casey O'Neill pause and trying

1504
01:09:45,080 --> 01:09:48,080
Speaker 3: to rush forward and be the aggressive king Casey that

1505
01:09:48,120 --> 01:09:51,120
Speaker 3: she's known for. But this was the first fight after

1506
01:09:51,160 --> 01:09:53,920
Speaker 3: a long layoff and a serious injury for O'Neil. Didn't

1507
01:09:53,920 --> 01:09:57,760
Speaker 3: fight awful. Take the loss, advance, learn from it. But yeah,

1508
01:09:57,760 --> 01:10:01,000
Speaker 3: big win for Jennifer Maya there and Luca. On the

1509
01:10:01,360 --> 01:10:04,759
Speaker 3: same lane of talking, well, I don't know if Muhammad

1510
01:10:04,800 --> 01:10:08,040
Speaker 3: Makaya is ever gonna walk again, but he's a Flyway

1511
01:10:08,400 --> 01:10:11,400
Speaker 3: future title challenger without question at age twenty two. You

1512
01:10:11,920 --> 01:10:12,600
Speaker 3: in with this on me.

1513
01:10:13,160 --> 01:10:16,840
Speaker 2: Not yet, not yet. And again that's not a no

1514
01:10:17,520 --> 01:10:19,280
Speaker 2: because if I if I, if I, if I was

1515
01:10:19,320 --> 01:10:21,639
Speaker 2: really down, I'd be like, no, so not yet. He

1516
01:10:21,720 --> 01:10:24,120
Speaker 2: clearly has a lot of ability. He gets to finish here.

1517
01:10:24,160 --> 01:10:26,639
Speaker 2: That was really nice. Again, you thought he was gonna win.

1518
01:10:26,760 --> 01:10:27,920
Speaker 2: I thought he was gonna win. You thought he was

1519
01:10:27,960 --> 01:10:30,200
Speaker 2: gonna not go to distance. Same here, Like we were

1520
01:10:30,280 --> 01:10:33,559
Speaker 2: very much in sync with that. But he's so young.

1521
01:10:34,080 --> 01:10:36,439
Speaker 2: He's still got some control issues, Like there's just a

1522
01:10:36,479 --> 01:10:38,120
Speaker 2: lot of pieces of his game that in some ways

1523
01:10:38,160 --> 01:10:39,920
Speaker 2: are developed. But you know, we see I was talking

1524
01:10:39,960 --> 01:10:42,360
Speaker 2: to this with someone else. The thing with mokayav in me,

1525
01:10:42,520 --> 01:10:45,800
Speaker 2: it's because he is so young. It almost feels like

1526
01:10:45,880 --> 01:10:50,120
Speaker 2: one of the like like a really talented kids at

1527
01:10:50,160 --> 01:10:53,160
Speaker 2: the adult class were like, he does have a lot

1528
01:10:53,240 --> 01:10:55,120
Speaker 2: of the skills, and maybe more so than some of

1529
01:10:55,160 --> 01:10:57,439
Speaker 2: these other ones, but almost feels like he quite can't

1530
01:10:57,960 --> 01:11:00,559
Speaker 2: he can't quite excuse me physically imposed them with the

1531
01:11:00,600 --> 01:11:03,200
Speaker 2: same thing because like he's sixteen and the people in

1532
01:11:03,200 --> 01:11:05,160
Speaker 2: the kids class or the men's class like twenty five,

1533
01:11:05,760 --> 01:11:07,559
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying, Like he's got a lot

1534
01:11:07,600 --> 01:11:10,280
Speaker 2: of the skills, but he seems to not be able

1535
01:11:10,320 --> 01:11:13,720
Speaker 2: to like physically impose them in the way that maybe

1536
01:11:13,760 --> 01:11:15,639
Speaker 2: he might be able to at age twenty six twenty

1537
01:11:15,720 --> 01:11:18,080
Speaker 2: seven when he's a fair full grown man's strength not.

1538
01:11:18,120 --> 01:11:21,160
Speaker 3: To finished product was in was in huge trouble there

1539
01:11:21,200 --> 01:11:23,960
Speaker 3: with that knee bar. But his ability to turn that around,

1540
01:11:24,040 --> 01:11:27,720
Speaker 3: Luke and get the win, and damn, that's it's an

1541
01:11:27,760 --> 01:11:30,280
Speaker 3: interesting fighter right there. I'm looking in and look a

1542
01:11:30,280 --> 01:11:31,920
Speaker 3: lot of people want to see him go up against

1543
01:11:31,960 --> 01:11:34,080
Speaker 3: somebody who had a big win on this card, local product.

1544
01:11:34,160 --> 01:11:36,960
Speaker 3: Jake Hadley had that first round knockout of Malcolm Gordon

1545
01:11:37,000 --> 01:11:39,640
Speaker 3: where you moved by the long term potential there of

1546
01:11:39,640 --> 01:11:41,160
Speaker 3: that of that UK bloke.

1547
01:11:41,640 --> 01:11:42,960
Speaker 2: That was one of the fights I was not able

1548
01:11:43,000 --> 01:11:45,960
Speaker 2: to see. So I'm gonna I'm gonna chamber that round

1549
01:11:46,000 --> 01:11:47,479
Speaker 2: and wait till I see what the fight.

1550
01:11:47,760 --> 01:11:48,880
Speaker 3: In the chamber pot, Luke?

1551
01:11:48,920 --> 01:11:51,160
Speaker 2: Okay in the old chamber pot.

1552
01:11:51,960 --> 01:11:55,920
Speaker 3: Also, can we also shout out team Hardy because that

1553
01:11:56,120 --> 01:12:00,000
Speaker 3: was after three years off for old Veronica might say

1554
01:12:00,360 --> 01:12:03,920
Speaker 3: now turned Hardy wife of Dan against killer Miller. Dude.

1555
01:12:03,960 --> 01:12:06,400
Speaker 3: That was a It was a gutsy win, man, It's

1556
01:12:06,400 --> 01:12:10,000
Speaker 3: a gutsy as win from over the old.

1557
01:12:10,320 --> 01:12:12,479
Speaker 2: And I picked Miller to win and I was now,

1558
01:12:12,520 --> 01:12:14,679
Speaker 2: I'm like really regretting it on tape and her movement

1559
01:12:14,680 --> 01:12:17,400
Speaker 2: looked really like she just hadn't had a whole lot

1560
01:12:17,400 --> 01:12:19,679
Speaker 2: of time training striking on the ground. We talked about

1561
01:12:19,680 --> 01:12:22,560
Speaker 2: her ground game as she has to win over Mosquita

1562
01:12:22,720 --> 01:12:25,000
Speaker 2: in EBI roles and I was like, Okay, well then

1563
01:12:25,000 --> 01:12:27,720
Speaker 2: she was able to do that. Nope, nope, couldn't get

1564
01:12:27,720 --> 01:12:29,920
Speaker 2: it done, not at all. So great win.

1565
01:12:30,280 --> 01:12:33,320
Speaker 3: Miller got popped early and never recovered Luke, and she

1566
01:12:33,400 --> 01:12:36,040
Speaker 3: tried hard to challenge on the ground and make some

1567
01:12:36,080 --> 01:12:38,719
Speaker 3: things happen, and she did land some good combinations at times,

1568
01:12:38,800 --> 01:12:42,639
Speaker 3: but the technique of Hardy was just a to another level.

1569
01:12:42,640 --> 01:12:46,439
Speaker 3: And again, considering three years off, interesting long term player

1570
01:12:46,479 --> 01:12:48,639
Speaker 3: in this division if she can stacks and wins together

1571
01:12:48,680 --> 01:12:49,960
Speaker 3: and continue to grow Luke.

1572
01:12:49,840 --> 01:12:50,720
Speaker 2: Because she's got it.

1573
01:12:50,880 --> 01:12:53,920
Speaker 3: She's got great ground game. You know, she's she's a student.

1574
01:12:54,000 --> 01:12:57,760
Speaker 2: And also she has more much more experience than Miller too,

1575
01:12:57,760 --> 01:13:00,320
Speaker 2: which is something I should have more readily wrecked. Guys.

1576
01:13:00,360 --> 01:13:02,439
Speaker 2: You know, you win some, you lose some. But yeah,

1577
01:13:02,439 --> 01:13:04,000
Speaker 2: that was a good win by her for sure. So

1578
01:13:04,200 --> 01:13:07,479
Speaker 2: congratulations to team Hardy on that one. All right, BC.

1579
01:13:07,840 --> 01:13:10,600
Speaker 2: It is time for no longer you and me to

1580
01:13:10,600 --> 01:13:12,600
Speaker 2: ask each other questions. It's time for the donks. We

1581
01:13:12,640 --> 01:13:14,760
Speaker 2: put up social posts every Sunday. People fill them up,

1582
01:13:14,800 --> 01:13:17,240
Speaker 2: the producers pick them. It's time for your old d

1583
01:13:17,479 --> 01:13:19,960
Speaker 2: ms from the diggity dogs. Let's do it.

1584
01:13:25,320 --> 01:13:27,719
Speaker 3: Which member of the Malka staff made those sound effects?

1585
01:13:27,720 --> 01:13:31,080
Speaker 2: Do you think? Uh? Ashley? All right, here we go.

1586
01:13:31,320 --> 01:13:34,040
Speaker 3: I was saying, were they in the were they? Were

1587
01:13:34,040 --> 01:13:36,400
Speaker 3: they in the UH in the bathroom when they did Luco?

1588
01:13:36,439 --> 01:13:37,679
Speaker 3: But now that changed the equation.

1589
01:13:37,760 --> 01:13:44,000
Speaker 2: Sorry, all right, BC? First question from at Amy Kuslku Shole.

1590
01:13:44,200 --> 01:13:45,280
Speaker 2: However the fuck you say that?

1591
01:13:46,040 --> 01:13:46,320
Speaker 3: Uh?

1592
01:13:46,360 --> 01:13:49,920
Speaker 2: BC? What did Luke make of BC's brilliant into the

1593
01:13:49,920 --> 01:13:52,200
Speaker 2: post fight reaction for UFC two eighty six? So what

1594
01:13:52,240 --> 01:13:53,800
Speaker 2: am I missing? I did not see. I saw you

1595
01:13:53,800 --> 01:13:56,000
Speaker 2: the first five minutes of your reaction, not the last five.

1596
01:13:56,000 --> 01:13:56,519
Speaker 2: What happened? Well?

1597
01:13:56,560 --> 01:13:58,679
Speaker 3: I tried to keep the train on the tracks throughout

1598
01:13:58,680 --> 01:14:02,280
Speaker 3: the UH through the show, Luke, because I'm trying to

1599
01:14:02,280 --> 01:14:03,760
Speaker 3: be you. You know what I mean. I look up

1600
01:14:03,760 --> 01:14:08,120
Speaker 3: to you, Luke. No one does an analysis better than you,

1601
01:14:08,240 --> 01:14:10,759
Speaker 3: and you know, and I tried to keep the skits

1602
01:14:10,760 --> 01:14:12,519
Speaker 3: and bits on the down low, but I you know,

1603
01:14:12,560 --> 01:14:14,560
Speaker 3: it fell off the tracks down the stretch, and I

1604
01:14:14,840 --> 01:14:16,439
Speaker 3: think I said that. You know, Luke will be back

1605
01:14:16,439 --> 01:14:19,160
Speaker 3: on Monday. But knowing him, you know you'll probably see

1606
01:14:19,200 --> 01:14:21,479
Speaker 3: him post something on his personal channel, you know, and

1607
01:14:21,800 --> 01:14:23,639
Speaker 3: he'll probably charge you for it. But Luke, now I'm

1608
01:14:23,720 --> 01:14:26,000
Speaker 3: charging people for it on you.

1609
01:14:26,000 --> 01:14:28,519
Speaker 2: You really just mocked me for my live chat and

1610
01:14:28,560 --> 01:14:31,720
Speaker 2: then you turned into a cameo whore. You really have

1611
01:14:31,880 --> 01:14:33,360
Speaker 2: no fucking ground to stand up.

1612
01:14:33,479 --> 01:14:35,960
Speaker 3: Not my fault though, my buddy Lupy Contrarest, you know,

1613
01:14:36,080 --> 01:14:39,120
Speaker 3: Lupe Luke, but Great Box announcer, MMA announcer as well

1614
01:14:39,160 --> 01:14:41,720
Speaker 3: with Cambate. He was like, hey man, I think he'd

1615
01:14:41,760 --> 01:14:43,280
Speaker 3: be good on this, and you know, I like, I

1616
01:14:43,360 --> 01:14:46,439
Speaker 3: like connecting with our people. Luke, so cameo dot com

1617
01:14:46,479 --> 01:14:49,000
Speaker 3: slash Brian Campbell. You know it's a good deal, especially

1618
01:14:49,040 --> 01:14:51,080
Speaker 3: if you used to paying super chat prices. But Luke,

1619
01:14:51,360 --> 01:14:53,439
Speaker 3: you know that was me filling in there for you

1620
01:14:53,479 --> 01:14:55,400
Speaker 3: on the old m m A breakdowns. You can take

1621
01:14:55,400 --> 01:14:56,120
Speaker 3: that job back.

1622
01:14:56,160 --> 01:14:58,360
Speaker 2: I mean it's not easy, very good, all right. You

1623
01:14:58,439 --> 01:15:01,479
Speaker 2: see at it's not Cage five. Assuming he gets the

1624
01:15:01,560 --> 01:15:04,720
Speaker 2: Leon fight. Where would Cooby rank among the most undeserved

1625
01:15:04,760 --> 01:15:07,960
Speaker 2: title shots in UFC history. Now that's a great question,

1626
01:15:08,520 --> 01:15:08,960
Speaker 2: all right.

1627
01:15:09,080 --> 01:15:10,760
Speaker 3: What is the short list? Pull?

1628
01:15:10,840 --> 01:15:10,960
Speaker 2: Is it?

1629
01:15:11,040 --> 01:15:12,920
Speaker 3: Dan Henderson at UFC two O four? Is that the

1630
01:15:13,120 --> 01:15:14,400
Speaker 3: Is that the first reference?

1631
01:15:15,040 --> 01:15:17,559
Speaker 2: That's a big one. You could even do Kator going

1632
01:15:17,600 --> 01:15:21,120
Speaker 2: up against Sylvia, right because remember Kator gets knocked out

1633
01:15:21,160 --> 01:15:25,639
Speaker 2: at light heavyweight, retires takes I don't know how long

1634
01:15:25,680 --> 01:15:27,719
Speaker 2: off it was, maybe a year or two. I can't remember.

1635
01:15:27,840 --> 01:15:29,400
Speaker 2: I can go double check, but there's a time off

1636
01:15:29,400 --> 01:15:31,400
Speaker 2: where he's like done. He's like, are gonna come out

1637
01:15:31,439 --> 01:15:33,479
Speaker 2: of retirement? I want to fight at heavyweight and he's like,

1638
01:15:33,880 --> 01:15:36,679
Speaker 2: fuck it, you can be in a title fight. That one.

1639
01:15:37,080 --> 01:15:40,040
Speaker 3: They weren't they secretly trying to get him like knocked

1640
01:15:40,040 --> 01:15:42,439
Speaker 3: out because they were always at odds within business wise.

1641
01:15:43,000 --> 01:15:44,880
Speaker 2: There could have been that it ended up blowing up

1642
01:15:44,880 --> 01:15:47,720
Speaker 2: in their fucking face if they thought that. But that's

1643
01:15:47,720 --> 01:15:49,759
Speaker 2: a big one. There's been There's been some several ones.

1644
01:15:49,760 --> 01:15:53,280
Speaker 3: But right, how about how about this? How about Josey

1645
01:15:53,360 --> 01:15:56,000
Speaker 3: Aldo after the split decision lost to Marlon Rice, which

1646
01:15:56,000 --> 01:15:57,960
Speaker 3: I don't think was a robbery. I thought Rece did

1647
01:15:58,080 --> 01:15:58,919
Speaker 3: enough in the close.

1648
01:15:58,760 --> 01:16:00,559
Speaker 2: Fight for him to be lost.

1649
01:16:00,640 --> 01:16:03,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, a title shot in his next fight. Did not

1650
01:16:03,720 --> 01:16:06,240
Speaker 3: love that. And how about Holly Holm fresh off of

1651
01:16:06,720 --> 01:16:10,880
Speaker 3: losses Tamisia Tate for the title, and Valentina Chefchenko got

1652
01:16:10,920 --> 01:16:15,200
Speaker 3: the inaugural featherweight title opportunity against Jermaine de Randomy when

1653
01:16:15,240 --> 01:16:18,120
Speaker 3: Cyborg couldn't make it. I didn't love that either.

1654
01:16:19,080 --> 01:16:21,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, so he's it's hard to say because he's not

1655
01:16:21,920 --> 01:16:23,760
Speaker 2: coming off of a loss. He's coming off of a win,

1656
01:16:24,160 --> 01:16:26,280
Speaker 2: and his last win is over a ranked contender, so

1657
01:16:26,320 --> 01:16:28,559
Speaker 2: it wouldn't be as bad as some of those. But

1658
01:16:28,680 --> 01:16:31,920
Speaker 2: it's still not great. It's still not But dude.

1659
01:16:31,800 --> 01:16:33,880
Speaker 3: I don't know how I turned it into Kolby supporter

1660
01:16:33,920 --> 01:16:36,960
Speaker 3: here because I do remember the name. But his only

1661
01:16:37,000 --> 01:16:40,160
Speaker 3: losses in eight years are to Kamara Usman as champion

1662
01:16:40,280 --> 01:16:42,840
Speaker 3: in very close fights. Can we not like that is

1663
01:16:42,880 --> 01:16:44,240
Speaker 3: a part of it? Right? Like?

1664
01:16:44,800 --> 01:16:47,439
Speaker 2: Come on, so we're gonna give him a title shot

1665
01:16:47,560 --> 01:16:55,599
Speaker 2: because he lost? Well, like, dude, it's who you fucking beat.

1666
01:16:55,680 --> 01:16:59,280
Speaker 2: It's supposed to be like. For example, for example, Canelo

1667
01:16:59,360 --> 01:17:03,320
Speaker 2: has a man coming up against John Ryder. Now I

1668
01:17:03,360 --> 01:17:06,240
Speaker 2: don't know what belt that's for, but whatever sanctioning bodies on.

1669
01:17:06,320 --> 01:17:08,840
Speaker 3: All four super middleweight World talp. Yeah, but you're right,

1670
01:17:08,880 --> 01:17:11,879
Speaker 3: one of the sanctioning bodies made him the mandatory.

1671
01:17:11,439 --> 01:17:14,920
Speaker 2: Right and so he got that in theory, that mandatory

1672
01:17:14,920 --> 01:17:17,760
Speaker 2: status because he had to beat enough guys to get there. Yes,

1673
01:17:17,920 --> 01:17:22,080
Speaker 2: like Colby just is not the mandatory fucking challenger here

1674
01:17:22,240 --> 01:17:24,720
Speaker 2: like not not not not not not not not not

1675
01:17:24,800 --> 01:17:29,639
Speaker 2: at all not. Yeah, all right, BC from at Keith underscore,

1676
01:17:29,720 --> 01:17:32,679
Speaker 2: Hickey underscore ninety Looking back, do you think Usman moving

1677
01:17:32,720 --> 01:17:34,840
Speaker 2: to work with Whitmen actually had a negative effect on

1678
01:17:34,880 --> 01:17:37,439
Speaker 2: his style? No, denying women is one of the best

1679
01:17:37,479 --> 01:17:39,960
Speaker 2: coaches in the business. But does it highlight just how

1680
01:17:39,960 --> 01:17:41,680
Speaker 2: important it is to find a coach that meshes with

1681
01:17:41,840 --> 01:17:42,400
Speaker 2: your style?

1682
01:17:42,720 --> 01:17:46,920
Speaker 3: Okay, I I don't buy this reasoning at all. I

1683
01:17:46,920 --> 01:17:48,560
Speaker 3: saw a lot of people saying Man shot out to

1684
01:17:48,600 --> 01:17:52,639
Speaker 3: Henry Hoof, who made you know Usman a dominant champion?

1685
01:17:53,160 --> 01:17:56,320
Speaker 3: I think Trevor Whitman allowed Usmann and and let's be fair,

1686
01:17:56,439 --> 01:17:58,120
Speaker 3: was it the timing because he was supposed to be

1687
01:17:58,120 --> 01:18:00,679
Speaker 3: fighting Gilbert Burns and they were teammates, so he went

1688
01:18:00,760 --> 01:18:02,320
Speaker 3: he got a new trainer for that or was that

1689
01:18:02,320 --> 01:18:03,920
Speaker 3: before that? Look, I'm trying to think of the timing

1690
01:18:04,240 --> 01:18:05,760
Speaker 3: of when Trevor Whitman came into his life.

1691
01:18:05,760 --> 01:18:08,000
Speaker 2: It was during something like that I can't remember anymore,

1692
01:18:08,000 --> 01:18:09,120
Speaker 2: but in jo did.

1693
01:18:08,960 --> 01:18:14,280
Speaker 3: Trevor Whitman elevate help help elevate Usman's game, especially rounding

1694
01:18:14,280 --> 01:18:16,479
Speaker 3: out some parts of his striking that allowed him to

1695
01:18:16,560 --> 01:18:20,280
Speaker 3: ultimately become the pomp for pound king. The answer is yes.

1696
01:18:21,240 --> 01:18:24,559
Speaker 3: But similar to the question I asked you about, can

1697
01:18:24,640 --> 01:18:28,519
Speaker 3: you actually sustain a wrestling heavy style in a weight

1698
01:18:28,560 --> 01:18:31,280
Speaker 3: class like this in your mid to late thirties? Did

1699
01:18:31,360 --> 01:18:33,800
Speaker 3: he go away from some of the elements that made

1700
01:18:33,880 --> 01:18:41,400
Speaker 3: him consistently great and dominant? Yeah? Yeah, Luke Mikey jumping

1701
01:18:41,400 --> 01:18:44,559
Speaker 3: in Mikey our producer Mike Mormle saying Trevor Whitman made

1702
01:18:44,640 --> 01:18:49,080
Speaker 3: Kamaru too confident in a striking That might actually be it, Luke,

1703
01:18:49,240 --> 01:18:51,240
Speaker 3: that might be it, you know what I mean? Like,

1704
01:18:51,400 --> 01:18:55,160
Speaker 3: did he abandon wrestling? No, But again, Luke, I thought

1705
01:18:55,160 --> 01:18:58,360
Speaker 3: there was I didn't. There was no like variety to

1706
01:18:58,400 --> 01:19:01,479
Speaker 3: his takedown attempts here in this fight. It was very

1707
01:19:01,560 --> 01:19:03,240
Speaker 3: much like I'm going to back you up into the

1708
01:19:03,240 --> 01:19:05,920
Speaker 3: cage and then shoot it instantly, shoot a double leg

1709
01:19:05,960 --> 01:19:08,040
Speaker 3: and try to just drag you down I'm not saying

1710
01:19:08,040 --> 01:19:10,920
Speaker 3: that doesn't work, and key and key parts, but where's

1711
01:19:10,960 --> 01:19:14,439
Speaker 3: the using the striking to set up the takedown threat?

1712
01:19:14,479 --> 01:19:15,160
Speaker 3: That wasn't there.

1713
01:19:16,560 --> 01:19:18,840
Speaker 2: We've been over We've been over this. We've been over

1714
01:19:18,920 --> 01:19:21,640
Speaker 2: We've been over this. He tried fifteen times, Dude, he

1715
01:19:21,720 --> 01:19:25,840
Speaker 2: tried fifteen fucking times. I just don't think people are

1716
01:19:25,920 --> 01:19:30,160
Speaker 2: really giving Leon no credit he deserves. But it's more

1717
01:19:30,200 --> 01:19:33,600
Speaker 2: than just stuffing them. If I can destabilize the conditions

1718
01:19:33,640 --> 01:19:37,320
Speaker 2: before they begin, there is no takedown really available, or

1719
01:19:37,520 --> 01:19:39,360
Speaker 2: there's a shitty set up that you can try and

1720
01:19:39,400 --> 01:19:42,000
Speaker 2: grasp for. I think that's what folks are missing. Yes,

1721
01:19:42,040 --> 01:19:44,280
Speaker 2: the takedown defense was nice, it was very good. But

1722
01:19:44,439 --> 01:19:46,439
Speaker 2: it's more than that. It's more than I'm not even

1723
01:19:46,439 --> 01:19:49,960
Speaker 2: gonna give you conditions where you typically shoot from because

1724
01:19:49,960 --> 01:19:52,280
Speaker 2: I know what they are, and I'm just gonna take

1725
01:19:52,280 --> 01:19:54,320
Speaker 2: those away like you do that. It makes it fucking hard.

1726
01:19:54,360 --> 01:19:57,280
Speaker 2: Now to that point, to that point where Colby might

1727
01:19:57,320 --> 01:20:00,200
Speaker 2: be more interesting is Colby might be like, look, really

1728
01:20:00,200 --> 01:20:01,599
Speaker 2: not going to strike with his fucking guy at all.

1729
01:20:01,640 --> 01:20:04,320
Speaker 2: I'm just going to go balls out. Bananza wrestle wrestle

1730
01:20:04,320 --> 01:20:06,880
Speaker 2: Wrestle Wrestle wrestle and that might work for a while,

1731
01:20:06,920 --> 01:20:09,639
Speaker 2: but I think even then he will find his come

1732
01:20:09,680 --> 01:20:12,799
Speaker 2: uppance ultimately. So we shall see.

1733
01:20:13,000 --> 01:20:16,400
Speaker 3: People abandon their wrestling once they get their striking up

1734
01:20:16,439 --> 01:20:19,599
Speaker 3: to a certain level. And it's it's not always the

1735
01:20:19,640 --> 01:20:20,880
Speaker 3: best the best choice.

1736
01:20:20,960 --> 01:20:23,760
Speaker 2: That's true. That's true. That's true. I can't deny that.

1737
01:20:23,760 --> 01:20:26,960
Speaker 3: That's definitely make Woody stopped wrestling right at a certain point.

1738
01:20:27,360 --> 01:20:31,439
Speaker 2: It worked for a while, yes, but also you get

1739
01:20:31,439 --> 01:20:34,320
Speaker 2: older in your capacity to wrestle like that also diminishes,

1740
01:20:34,560 --> 01:20:36,160
Speaker 2: you know. That's That's where it's like.

1741
01:20:36,080 --> 01:20:40,960
Speaker 3: Asking you once again, did Hibib get out exactly on time? Luke? Yes?

1742
01:20:41,200 --> 01:20:41,519
Speaker 3: Or no?

1743
01:20:42,200 --> 01:20:44,360
Speaker 2: No? He still could have beaten the people except I mean,

1744
01:20:44,560 --> 01:20:46,280
Speaker 2: he wouldn't fight Islam, but he could have beaten the

1745
01:20:46,280 --> 01:20:48,759
Speaker 2: other guys besides him. I think he would have whooped

1746
01:20:48,840 --> 01:20:52,720
Speaker 2: up on Charles all right, b c from our good

1747
01:20:52,760 --> 01:20:57,439
Speaker 2: friend telvin Ki Papa, He asks, I guess it's a

1748
01:20:57,439 --> 01:21:00,759
Speaker 2: new meme like Sea level King. There's no was breathing

1749
01:21:00,840 --> 01:21:04,680
Speaker 2: Geegee fall under the category of MMA mythology of Sea

1750
01:21:04,720 --> 01:21:07,520
Speaker 2: level Kane motivated BJ and Luke's favorite trt.

1751
01:21:07,920 --> 01:21:10,200
Speaker 3: I haven't heard this is this as opposed to mouth

1752
01:21:10,240 --> 01:21:12,200
Speaker 3: breathing Geatechie. Can you explain this. I haven't heard this.

1753
01:21:13,120 --> 01:21:15,559
Speaker 2: I didn't know that nose breathing Gaeichee was a thing.

1754
01:21:15,560 --> 01:21:17,240
Speaker 2: But I'm going to guess that he was breathing through

1755
01:21:17,280 --> 01:21:18,880
Speaker 2: his nose this time in a way that was like

1756
01:21:19,080 --> 01:21:23,840
Speaker 2: designed to control his emotions and his breathing and energy resources,

1757
01:21:23,840 --> 01:21:25,880
Speaker 2: and maybe that made a difference. I was watching it

1758
01:21:25,920 --> 01:21:26,599
Speaker 2: on my iPad.

1759
01:21:26,680 --> 01:21:29,519
Speaker 3: So Mikey says he got his nose fixed before the fight.

1760
01:21:30,240 --> 01:21:32,120
Speaker 2: Well, see, I had no surgery too, and it didn't

1761
01:21:32,160 --> 01:21:36,439
Speaker 2: really work. So I'm I'm less I'm less confident. That's

1762
01:21:36,479 --> 01:21:38,800
Speaker 2: a huge determinant, Luke.

1763
01:21:38,880 --> 01:21:40,680
Speaker 3: People have said, and I know you're not gonna like

1764
01:21:40,720 --> 01:21:42,360
Speaker 3: to hear this, but people have said that, along with

1765
01:21:42,439 --> 01:21:47,000
Speaker 3: sea level, Kane motivated bj trt Belfort that when Luke

1766
01:21:47,080 --> 01:21:50,840
Speaker 3: Thomas enters an MK episode, you know, willing to sell,

1767
01:21:50,880 --> 01:21:53,120
Speaker 3: willing to give and take, willing to have fun in

1768
01:21:53,160 --> 01:21:58,320
Speaker 3: the old barnyard, the entertainment possibilities are limitless.

1769
01:21:58,640 --> 01:22:03,320
Speaker 2: That's true. That's true. Yeah, that's true. All right. You

1770
01:22:03,360 --> 01:22:07,160
Speaker 2: see last but not least at Josh Herbald ninety two.

1771
01:22:07,800 --> 01:22:10,559
Speaker 2: Without necessarily naming names, can you confirm that there are

1772
01:22:10,600 --> 01:22:13,280
Speaker 2: well known fighters in boxing and MMA that blatantly lie

1773
01:22:13,320 --> 01:22:14,080
Speaker 2: about their height.

1774
01:22:16,280 --> 01:22:18,280
Speaker 3: Is this is this a long setup for some type

1775
01:22:18,280 --> 01:22:20,439
Speaker 3: of PF changed Joe Rogan joke? Because if it is, Luke,

1776
01:22:20,439 --> 01:22:21,680
Speaker 3: I'm not playing. I'm not. I'm not.

1777
01:22:21,720 --> 01:22:23,679
Speaker 2: I'm not biting down. I think I think you just did.

1778
01:22:23,840 --> 01:22:25,360
Speaker 2: I think you do that.

1779
01:22:25,439 --> 01:22:30,680
Speaker 3: Okay, everybody lie about their height, dude. There's things that

1780
01:22:30,720 --> 01:22:32,960
Speaker 3: people lie about all the time. Women will lie about

1781
01:22:32,960 --> 01:22:36,439
Speaker 3: their age, right, oh, here we go. They'll lie about

1782
01:22:36,439 --> 01:22:40,599
Speaker 3: how many partners they had, right yeah, And men will

1783
01:22:40,640 --> 01:22:42,639
Speaker 3: lie about their height. That's those are the three things

1784
01:22:42,680 --> 01:22:45,320
Speaker 3: that are guaranteed, right. I mean, I'm I'm I'm an exception.

1785
01:22:45,360 --> 01:22:45,559
Speaker 2: People.

1786
01:22:45,560 --> 01:22:47,200
Speaker 3: I was like, BC, man, you're so much taller that

1787
01:22:47,200 --> 01:22:49,120
Speaker 3: I thought, what are you? Six three six four? I'm like, no,

1788
01:22:49,200 --> 01:22:51,360
Speaker 3: I'm six one and a half. Luke, that's all it is,

1789
01:22:51,400 --> 01:22:53,880
Speaker 3: six one and a half. That's all you're getting from me, Okay,

1790
01:22:54,600 --> 01:22:57,000
Speaker 3: I know who I am, Luke? All right?

1791
01:22:57,840 --> 01:23:00,280
Speaker 2: Well, the thing about their height that I don't understand is, like, dude,

1792
01:23:00,280 --> 01:23:02,600
Speaker 2: the commission will take it or the promotion will take it.

1793
01:23:02,640 --> 01:23:06,680
Speaker 2: So like the promotion might say it's something, but like

1794
01:23:06,840 --> 01:23:09,000
Speaker 2: I don't know if fighters like going around being like

1795
01:23:09,040 --> 01:23:10,960
Speaker 2: I'm actually six seven, but I tell the world I'm

1796
01:23:11,000 --> 01:23:13,960
Speaker 2: six six to two, It's like, motherfucker, we know you're

1797
01:23:14,000 --> 01:23:14,720
Speaker 2: not six to two.

1798
01:23:15,439 --> 01:23:18,880
Speaker 3: Remember when Byron Houston of Oklahoma State in ninety two

1799
01:23:19,080 --> 01:23:21,160
Speaker 3: was at one point expected to be a lottery pick

1800
01:23:21,160 --> 01:23:23,200
Speaker 3: at power forward. Then they actually measured him for the

1801
01:23:23,320 --> 01:23:25,479
Speaker 3: NBA draft camps and they're like, oh, this guy's six '

1802
01:23:25,479 --> 01:23:29,240
Speaker 3: four and he's not necessarily Charles Barkley. Same thing. You

1803
01:23:29,240 --> 01:23:31,360
Speaker 3: know that happens to young to point guards, Luke, that

1804
01:23:31,439 --> 01:23:33,519
Speaker 3: are try to put six feet even when you know

1805
01:23:33,600 --> 01:23:36,000
Speaker 3: they're like five eleven, you know, five ten and a half.

1806
01:23:36,080 --> 01:23:38,760
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, I don't. I just don't. I've never heard

1807
01:23:38,800 --> 01:23:43,360
Speaker 2: of fighters in MMA or boxing trying to lie about

1808
01:23:43,400 --> 01:23:47,559
Speaker 2: their height. I've just never I've never really encountered that.

1809
01:23:47,680 --> 01:23:48,280
Speaker 2: I don't think.

1810
01:23:48,479 --> 01:23:49,840
Speaker 3: Are you six foot four, Luke?

1811
01:23:49,960 --> 01:23:52,280
Speaker 2: Is that the truth? Yeah? I've been. I've been measured

1812
01:23:52,360 --> 01:23:54,320
Speaker 2: multiple times because I was in the military. Seventy six

1813
01:23:54,320 --> 01:23:57,720
Speaker 2: inches in height. Yeah, six y four A right, shoeless.

1814
01:23:57,920 --> 01:24:00,720
Speaker 2: I just have like shit posture, but yeah, I'm six before.

1815
01:24:03,400 --> 01:24:06,599
Speaker 3: Josh Erballs that's a guy's name. Her balls in your

1816
01:24:06,720 --> 01:24:10,240
Speaker 3: mouth everybody from the north end to the south right.

1817
01:24:10,280 --> 01:24:14,400
Speaker 3: Remember that song we bill but they don't fall down wicked.

1818
01:24:14,960 --> 01:24:18,240
Speaker 2: That's all the rap songs you like are like the

1819
01:24:18,320 --> 01:24:20,000
Speaker 2: least relevant ones ever written.

1820
01:24:20,000 --> 01:24:22,240
Speaker 3: That's one point a white guys apparently, I don't know.

1821
01:24:23,520 --> 01:24:25,800
Speaker 2: Although I gotta tell you, well, you know who's at

1822
01:24:25,800 --> 01:24:29,360
Speaker 2: that concert. A lot of white Pennsylvanians, let me say that,

1823
01:24:29,600 --> 01:24:33,599
Speaker 2: A lot of dudes who were hoodies and have neck beards.

1824
01:24:33,680 --> 01:24:36,720
Speaker 2: That was That was me on Saturday.

1825
01:24:37,040 --> 01:24:40,479
Speaker 3: All right, Luke, you know, I mean, yeah, all right, yeah,

1826
01:24:40,600 --> 01:24:42,759
Speaker 3: I mean what is this was just like a Vinnie

1827
01:24:42,800 --> 01:24:45,000
Speaker 3: Paz go away tour, like this is the last time

1828
01:24:45,040 --> 01:24:45,720
Speaker 3: you'll get to see me.

1829
01:24:45,880 --> 01:24:49,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, so he uh uh, well, technically it was Jedi

1830
01:24:49,439 --> 01:24:52,040
Speaker 2: my Tricks. It was not because Vinnie has his own

1831
01:24:52,040 --> 01:24:54,280
Speaker 2: stufflthough he played solo stuff, but it technically it was

1832
01:24:54,280 --> 01:24:58,120
Speaker 2: the group. And uh yeah, so it's his last tour.

1833
01:24:58,200 --> 01:25:00,000
Speaker 2: He's done touring. They don't want to do it anymore.

1834
01:25:00,120 --> 01:25:02,360
Speaker 2: I mean, he might have a performance here or there,

1835
01:25:02,520 --> 01:25:03,920
Speaker 2: but yeah, that's it.

1836
01:25:04,360 --> 01:25:06,040
Speaker 3: I want to give you a compliment because I know

1837
01:25:06,080 --> 01:25:08,639
Speaker 3: you don't typically DM with the fans, Luke, but they

1838
01:25:08,680 --> 01:25:11,040
Speaker 3: they DM me a lot and although people think your

1839
01:25:11,360 --> 01:25:15,200
Speaker 3: rock tastes are largely abhorrent. I've been told many times

1840
01:25:15,240 --> 01:25:18,800
Speaker 3: that your taste in hip hop is like hipster, good

1841
01:25:19,080 --> 01:25:20,240
Speaker 3: ass shit, Luke.

1842
01:25:20,320 --> 01:25:22,200
Speaker 2: Like I try, I try, like you.

1843
01:25:22,160 --> 01:25:24,840
Speaker 3: Know what's good, Luke, and I'll you know, I can

1844
01:25:24,920 --> 01:25:26,160
Speaker 3: say I respect that out of you.

1845
01:25:26,200 --> 01:25:28,920
Speaker 2: Okay, I try, I try. I had. I really enjoyed

1846
01:25:28,960 --> 01:25:31,880
Speaker 2: the show. You know, the guy who met me who

1847
01:25:31,920 --> 01:25:34,000
Speaker 2: was nice to just wish he could have been like, hey,

1848
01:25:34,160 --> 01:25:36,320
Speaker 2: you can leave off the preamble of how the world

1849
01:25:36,400 --> 01:25:38,760
Speaker 2: wants to set my balls on fire. Thank you. I

1850
01:25:38,800 --> 01:25:43,439
Speaker 2: appreciate that. Like seriously, who does that? Who does who

1851
01:25:43,439 --> 01:25:45,040
Speaker 2: goes up to someone's like yeah, man, nice to meet you.

1852
01:25:45,080 --> 01:25:46,760
Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, you know, listen, the rest of the

1853
01:25:46,800 --> 01:25:48,920
Speaker 2: world wants to put a pole axe up your rear

1854
01:25:49,040 --> 01:25:52,240
Speaker 2: end and uh spin you around like a like a top.

1855
01:25:52,280 --> 01:25:54,240
Speaker 2: But you know, other than that, you think you're okay.

1856
01:25:55,680 --> 01:25:57,200
Speaker 3: I mean, look at what you're gonna find in this

1857
01:25:57,240 --> 01:26:00,800
Speaker 3: world is that you know you can't please everyone, so

1858
01:26:00,880 --> 01:26:03,160
Speaker 3: you've got to please yourself, Luke. And that's why your

1859
01:26:03,200 --> 01:26:05,120
Speaker 3: search history isn't discussing that.

1860
01:26:05,320 --> 01:26:07,760
Speaker 2: That's that's why on the airport bathrooms just don't go

1861
01:26:07,800 --> 01:26:09,280
Speaker 2: in after me. You know what I'm saying. All Right,

1862
01:26:09,400 --> 01:26:11,479
Speaker 2: all right, b C, that's it for me. You want

1863
01:26:11,479 --> 01:26:13,400
Speaker 2: to take it away with species please?

1864
01:26:13,520 --> 01:26:15,880
Speaker 3: Yeah? Here we go. I I scoured the globe. This

1865
01:26:15,960 --> 01:26:18,000
Speaker 3: is a small batch, right, small batch here mikey on

1866
01:26:18,000 --> 01:26:22,000
Speaker 3: the one, great great small batch though the highs and lows,

1867
01:26:22,080 --> 01:26:24,479
Speaker 3: the good, bad, the ugly, the in between, combat sports

1868
01:26:24,520 --> 01:26:27,320
Speaker 3: and beyond. We call this. Have you seen this year? Mm? Hm,

1869
01:26:34,320 --> 01:26:37,519
Speaker 3: oh god, oh god, Luke. Let's so, let's start off here.

1870
01:26:37,560 --> 01:26:39,679
Speaker 3: This is actually like a reaction a bit to news here.

1871
01:26:39,720 --> 01:26:43,280
Speaker 3: Do you remember last week when we played up the

1872
01:26:43,320 --> 01:26:47,200
Speaker 3: extended Twitter battle between USADA and Connor McGregor that that

1873
01:26:47,320 --> 01:26:49,360
Speaker 3: stemmed from the appearance on the M A R. Where

1874
01:26:49,360 --> 01:26:49,840
Speaker 3: are Hajuan?

1875
01:26:50,560 --> 01:26:51,240
Speaker 2: I certainly do.

1876
01:26:52,040 --> 01:26:57,760
Speaker 3: Dana White, UFC president, was asked this week about that rivalry. Yeah,

1877
01:26:57,840 --> 01:26:59,920
Speaker 3: let's hear it. And speaking of Connor, it seems like

1878
01:27:00,000 --> 01:27:02,240
Speaker 3: there was a bit of a misunderstanding between him and you, Sada.

1879
01:27:02,280 --> 01:27:03,960
Speaker 2: You know he said two tests and I'll be back.

1880
01:27:04,000 --> 01:27:06,080
Speaker 3: You saw to put out a statement and said six

1881
01:27:06,120 --> 01:27:07,840
Speaker 3: months of testing as it usually is.

1882
01:27:07,920 --> 01:27:09,439
Speaker 2: Can we see an exemption for Connor?

1883
01:27:09,560 --> 01:27:09,640
Speaker 1: Or?

1884
01:27:09,720 --> 01:27:09,880
Speaker 3: Is it?

1885
01:27:10,400 --> 01:27:11,080
Speaker 2: I have no idea.

1886
01:27:11,080 --> 01:27:12,439
Speaker 3: I don't pay any attention to that shit.

1887
01:27:12,800 --> 01:27:15,400
Speaker 4: That's not my job anymore, man, and I'm happy to

1888
01:27:15,400 --> 01:27:15,920
Speaker 4: be out of it.

1889
01:27:16,360 --> 01:27:17,920
Speaker 3: Talk to you, Sada, I have no idea.

1890
01:27:18,640 --> 01:27:20,479
Speaker 4: I want nothing to do with the whole drug testing

1891
01:27:20,520 --> 01:27:21,400
Speaker 4: side of this business.

1892
01:27:24,160 --> 01:27:28,200
Speaker 3: Ah, not my job, not my not my circus.

1893
01:27:28,479 --> 01:27:31,920
Speaker 2: Guys, guys, I can't even be suspended for half a

1894
01:27:32,000 --> 01:27:37,120
Speaker 2: day lest this company suffer without my vigilant oversight. But

1895
01:27:37,520 --> 01:27:41,240
Speaker 2: when it comes to drug testing our athletes, I'm not involved.

1896
01:27:41,240 --> 01:27:43,400
Speaker 3: Okay, that's to get at the post press conference, and

1897
01:27:43,439 --> 01:27:45,960
Speaker 3: he just kept saying, Jeff, Jeff, Jeff, Jeff Novitski. You

1898
01:27:45,960 --> 01:27:48,080
Speaker 3: guys know him. Reach out to him. He'll he'll give

1899
01:27:48,080 --> 01:27:48,719
Speaker 3: you all the answer.

1900
01:27:48,800 --> 01:27:52,280
Speaker 2: Here's the answer. Connor's gonna steamroll you, Sada to doing

1901
01:27:52,320 --> 01:27:54,000
Speaker 2: what Connor wants. So there's your answer.

1902
01:27:54,040 --> 01:27:55,600
Speaker 3: And you're gonna make a lot of money off of

1903
01:27:55,640 --> 01:27:57,800
Speaker 3: that pay per view and probably charge five hundred dollars

1904
01:27:57,840 --> 01:27:59,439
Speaker 3: for the worst seat in the arena. Luke, that's how

1905
01:27:59,439 --> 01:28:02,360
Speaker 3: this business, this works. But to just as the president

1906
01:28:02,479 --> 01:28:05,479
Speaker 3: of the company, to just be like, you know what,

1907
01:28:06,120 --> 01:28:08,559
Speaker 3: I don't know anything about that ship and I don't

1908
01:28:08,600 --> 01:28:11,599
Speaker 3: want to, So why don't you go dial up somebody else.

1909
01:28:11,640 --> 01:28:15,200
Speaker 3: That's great, dude, that's fantastic. Hey, UFC two eighty six

1910
01:28:15,240 --> 01:28:18,760
Speaker 3: from London Time, Luke, listen to the sound of this

1911
01:28:18,920 --> 01:28:21,960
Speaker 3: Veronica Hardy head kick here to Lance.

1912
01:28:25,080 --> 01:28:31,200
Speaker 2: SHOT's hurt. Do you see how Miller just walks into

1913
01:28:31,280 --> 01:28:33,160
Speaker 2: range and then look how she holds her hands like this.

1914
01:28:33,840 --> 01:28:36,360
Speaker 2: You know, it's like, uh, it's not like I'm better,

1915
01:28:36,680 --> 01:28:38,800
Speaker 2: not saying I'm better. I'm not a coach. I'm not

1916
01:28:38,840 --> 01:28:42,439
Speaker 2: saying I'm a coach. I'm just saying this and straight

1917
01:28:42,479 --> 01:28:45,040
Speaker 2: lines is gonna cause problems. It's gonna I.

1918
01:28:45,080 --> 01:28:47,519
Speaker 3: Don't know if people were able to hear that, because

1919
01:28:47,560 --> 01:28:48,120
Speaker 3: it seemed.

1920
01:28:47,920 --> 01:28:56,760
Speaker 2: Like I heard it. It was alluded Yo Shot Miller's Yo.

1921
01:28:56,960 --> 01:28:59,960
Speaker 2: Miller's toughest ship bro tough as shit because she moved

1922
01:29:00,120 --> 01:29:02,280
Speaker 2: into it too right. It wasn't like she was leaning

1923
01:29:02,320 --> 01:29:04,799
Speaker 2: back in it caught her. She was coming right to do. Tough.

1924
01:29:04,960 --> 01:29:06,320
Speaker 2: Tough lady, tough lady.

1925
01:29:06,640 --> 01:29:09,240
Speaker 3: Look, you know what comedic impression is lingering in my head?

1926
01:29:09,560 --> 01:29:12,479
Speaker 3: Paul Craig. By the way, Paul Craig was sitting behind

1927
01:29:12,640 --> 01:29:15,840
Speaker 3: Arnold Allen in the arena that when I bet you

1928
01:29:15,880 --> 01:29:18,280
Speaker 3: they talked about room service diaries look, I hope they

1929
01:29:18,280 --> 01:29:21,880
Speaker 3: were fantastic. Do you remember when Paul Craig was doing

1930
01:29:21,920 --> 01:29:26,080
Speaker 3: the Mike Perry bit and he's like, let's fucking go Scotland.

1931
01:29:25,840 --> 01:29:29,280
Speaker 3: Look what I was feeling when Scotland's own Chris Duncan

1932
01:29:29,360 --> 01:29:30,920
Speaker 3: showed up at the way and check it out.

1933
01:29:31,560 --> 01:29:33,800
Speaker 2: Oh, look at the blue pet. Did Mike Perry tell

1934
01:29:33,880 --> 01:29:34,120
Speaker 2: him to?

1935
01:29:34,760 --> 01:29:36,120
Speaker 3: I hope so? He?

1936
01:29:37,680 --> 01:29:40,280
Speaker 2: Dude, it would be amazing if he's got a kilt

1937
01:29:40,280 --> 01:29:43,120
Speaker 2: in his hand or something. It would be amazing if

1938
01:29:43,160 --> 01:29:45,719
Speaker 2: every Scottish guy who wore blue was because Mike Perry

1939
01:29:45,760 --> 01:29:48,160
Speaker 2: like DMed him and was like, listen that I know

1940
01:29:48,240 --> 01:29:49,920
Speaker 2: what works for the Scots. Okay.

1941
01:29:50,760 --> 01:29:53,160
Speaker 3: Jojo Calder was like, we won't get out of my dms.

1942
01:29:53,200 --> 01:29:55,160
Speaker 3: He wants me to paint myself. You know what I mean?

1943
01:29:55,160 --> 01:29:57,559
Speaker 3: It's great? You know is she what isn't she too

1944
01:29:57,600 --> 01:29:58,680
Speaker 3: with Scottish No.

1945
01:30:00,040 --> 01:30:01,240
Speaker 2: One hundred Scottish? Yep?

1946
01:30:01,920 --> 01:30:04,200
Speaker 3: She had actually she had a big comeback win on Saturday.

1947
01:30:04,240 --> 01:30:06,599
Speaker 2: She had a nice one. Yeah. Yeah. In fact, Dan

1948
01:30:06,680 --> 01:30:09,160
Speaker 2: Hardy posted a picture with John Wood, who is the

1949
01:30:09,760 --> 01:30:13,880
Speaker 2: who runs Syndicate and is married to Joanne formerly called

1950
01:30:13,880 --> 01:30:16,400
Speaker 2: her Wood now just would yeah uh and He posted

1951
01:30:16,400 --> 01:30:18,960
Speaker 2: a picture with them two and then himself and Veronica

1952
01:30:19,000 --> 01:30:23,559
Speaker 2: Macedo slash Veronica Hardy and he wrote team husband as.

1953
01:30:23,600 --> 01:30:25,240
Speaker 2: The caption was like, yep.

1954
01:30:26,200 --> 01:30:29,680
Speaker 3: Uh, Luke Kamara Ustman, as I mentioned, tried to intimidate

1955
01:30:30,080 --> 01:30:32,240
Speaker 3: Leon Edwards at the start of this fight. What do

1956
01:30:32,280 --> 01:30:37,280
Speaker 3: you rank Leon's reaction of the handgun gesture with the uh,

1957
01:30:37,479 --> 01:30:37,880
Speaker 3: with the.

1958
01:30:40,200 --> 01:30:44,920
Speaker 2: Oh you know what? I never saw that in real time.

1959
01:30:46,040 --> 01:30:50,080
Speaker 2: Oh that is sick yo. I love that. I love

1960
01:30:50,200 --> 01:30:52,080
Speaker 2: that from Leon. That is, he had a.

1961
01:30:52,040 --> 01:30:56,320
Speaker 3: Counter for everything Tomorrow had on this night. Seriously, everything you.

1962
01:30:56,280 --> 01:30:59,320
Speaker 2: Remember when is he like did the second when then

1963
01:30:59,360 --> 01:31:01,400
Speaker 2: the second winning her fight when they met in the middle,

1964
01:31:01,600 --> 01:31:05,160
Speaker 2: and then Whittaker stook out his hand and as he

1965
01:31:05,240 --> 01:31:08,479
Speaker 2: went d D and then like did like like I

1966
01:31:08,520 --> 01:31:10,559
Speaker 2: think it was like paper beats rock or whatever it was,

1967
01:31:10,680 --> 01:31:12,759
Speaker 2: and then just grabbed it, you know, like just little

1968
01:31:12,760 --> 01:31:15,120
Speaker 2: shit like that where guys are just not intimidated by

1969
01:31:15,160 --> 01:31:15,840
Speaker 2: the moment at all.

1970
01:31:16,200 --> 01:31:20,160
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, definitely, Luke, justin Gatchee wasn't intimidated by this celebration.

1971
01:31:20,680 --> 01:31:23,000
Speaker 3: What would happen to your body if you tried this, Luke?

1972
01:31:28,600 --> 01:31:31,280
Speaker 3: Oh man, god, you'd never walk again. He almost he

1973
01:31:31,320 --> 01:31:33,160
Speaker 3: almost paralysis.

1974
01:31:33,200 --> 01:31:34,600
Speaker 2: Is the paralysis?

1975
01:31:35,240 --> 01:31:38,559
Speaker 3: Well, Mohammed Mokayev may never walk again, Luke. We saw

1976
01:31:38,560 --> 01:31:42,200
Speaker 3: how he survived that nasty knee bar attempt against fuel Hole.

1977
01:31:43,040 --> 01:31:45,160
Speaker 3: But this was him warming up before the fight. Now

1978
01:31:45,160 --> 01:31:47,479
Speaker 3: we know why that flexibility wasn't a looted dude. I

1979
01:31:47,520 --> 01:31:50,040
Speaker 3: would love to put my uh is that his grundle?

1980
01:31:50,080 --> 01:31:51,840
Speaker 3: I'd love to put my grundle flat on the ground

1981
01:31:51,880 --> 01:31:54,160
Speaker 3: like that? How long would I have to get into

1982
01:31:54,160 --> 01:31:55,400
Speaker 3: stretching to be able to do that?

1983
01:31:55,800 --> 01:31:57,559
Speaker 2: I wish I could do this and then put all

1984
01:31:57,600 --> 01:32:02,080
Speaker 2: of like your toothbrush, your cutlery, just all underneath my

1985
01:32:02,200 --> 01:32:04,680
Speaker 2: satchel and then rub testical grease all over it. I mean,

1986
01:32:04,680 --> 01:32:06,160
Speaker 2: I mean this is a big graphic, but you know.

1987
01:32:06,560 --> 01:32:10,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's very graphic. Looke. You know Steve Aoki, the DJ,

1988
01:32:10,280 --> 01:32:11,519
Speaker 3: You know that famous guy right?

1989
01:32:11,760 --> 01:32:14,840
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, I think he's got a vega all the time.

1990
01:32:14,800 --> 01:32:17,160
Speaker 3: Where he cakes people. Did you see this footage? Check

1991
01:32:17,240 --> 01:32:22,519
Speaker 3: this out?

1992
01:32:23,600 --> 01:32:31,559
Speaker 2: The fuck yo dude.

1993
01:32:31,560 --> 01:32:34,080
Speaker 3: We need a bit like that at our live shows, Luke,

1994
01:32:34,240 --> 01:32:36,920
Speaker 3: where people bring signs to say like KBC, like you know,

1995
01:32:37,000 --> 01:32:39,400
Speaker 3: piss on me or something like yo yo. Not that

1996
01:32:39,479 --> 01:32:43,320
Speaker 3: type of concert okay, but something like that, Luke, Okay, dude.

1997
01:32:43,120 --> 01:32:46,200
Speaker 2: That is amazing. I would love to kick someone like that.

1998
01:32:46,200 --> 01:32:47,440
Speaker 2: That is great.

1999
01:32:47,280 --> 01:32:48,920
Speaker 3: But if we had a bit where people come up

2000
01:32:48,920 --> 01:32:52,160
Speaker 3: to the stage and like, Luke, blow incredible vape smoke

2001
01:32:52,200 --> 01:32:54,479
Speaker 3: at me with designs, so it just engulfs me. Right.

2002
01:32:54,760 --> 01:32:56,479
Speaker 2: You know, I had an idea in college when we

2003
01:32:56,520 --> 01:32:59,120
Speaker 2: lived in the fraternity house that I was gonna buy

2004
01:32:59,160 --> 01:33:02,800
Speaker 2: a chimpanzee and then teach it to throw feces at

2005
01:33:02,840 --> 01:33:05,799
Speaker 2: only one fraternity member so that way he would always

2006
01:33:05,800 --> 01:33:08,160
Speaker 2: have to clean it up. Obviously, this idea never came

2007
01:33:08,200 --> 01:33:10,519
Speaker 2: to fruition, but I still think of it all the time.

2008
01:33:10,760 --> 01:33:15,160
Speaker 3: Another reason to avoid fraternity sororities and all other selective

2009
01:33:15,200 --> 01:33:17,160
Speaker 3: clubs of that nature. By the way, Luke, last night

2010
01:33:17,200 --> 01:33:18,840
Speaker 3: and I my wife and I watch a TV and

2011
01:33:18,840 --> 01:33:20,120
Speaker 3: it was like, you know, one of her shows that

2012
01:33:20,160 --> 01:33:24,400
Speaker 3: I was sitting in with her on, It's no All

2013
01:33:24,439 --> 01:33:28,080
Speaker 3: American Homecoming. It's like this college drama show, and uh,

2014
01:33:28,200 --> 01:33:31,160
Speaker 3: you know they were they were having frat and sorority

2015
01:33:31,200 --> 01:33:32,960
Speaker 3: like pledge week, and you know they were going through

2016
01:33:32,960 --> 01:33:36,240
Speaker 3: these rituals and being treated like slaves. And I'm just like, man,

2017
01:33:36,320 --> 01:33:39,520
Speaker 3: this sucks and she's and she gave the exact responses

2018
01:33:39,520 --> 01:33:41,559
Speaker 3: that you always do. She's like, yeah, I use it

2019
01:33:41,600 --> 01:33:43,280
Speaker 3: for you to say college drop out, right.

2020
01:33:44,520 --> 01:33:46,679
Speaker 2: And your own wife is roasting you with that ship.

2021
01:33:46,760 --> 01:33:51,320
Speaker 3: That's great. Yeah, all right, there you go. Luke. I

2022
01:33:51,400 --> 01:33:54,280
Speaker 3: found a video that perfectly describes every time a PF

2023
01:33:54,360 --> 01:33:56,799
Speaker 3: chain's reference tries to get snuck through m case security.

2024
01:33:56,800 --> 01:34:17,080
Speaker 2: Here we go, this homeless woman's crotch. I could have

2025
01:34:17,120 --> 01:34:17,519
Speaker 2: done with that.

2026
01:34:18,280 --> 01:34:19,280
Speaker 3: You in that scenario.

2027
01:34:19,479 --> 01:34:21,840
Speaker 2: You know, it's always like, there's this woman. This woman

2028
01:34:22,000 --> 01:34:24,559
Speaker 2: was living in a van down by the river quite literally,

2029
01:34:25,080 --> 01:34:27,519
Speaker 2: and they're like, hey, let's just look at her unwashed crotch.

2030
01:34:28,360 --> 01:34:30,599
Speaker 3: She probably used to be a BBL back in her day,

2031
01:34:30,640 --> 01:34:32,599
Speaker 3: but look she got knocked out by that. Here's your

2032
01:34:32,720 --> 01:34:34,720
Speaker 3: real knockouts of the week. Let's start in a c

2033
01:34:34,880 --> 01:34:37,759
Speaker 3: A one fifty four. This is Leonardo Silva.

2034
01:34:38,520 --> 01:34:42,519
Speaker 2: Oh he walks into it. Guy in the green, what's this.

2035
01:34:45,080 --> 01:34:45,360
Speaker 3: Boot?

2036
01:34:46,160 --> 01:34:50,719
Speaker 2: Oh shit, just shut the lights off in one go. Yeah,

2037
01:34:50,760 --> 01:34:53,200
Speaker 2: don't bring your head back to the same place. Don't

2038
01:34:53,240 --> 01:34:53,559
Speaker 2: do that.

2039
01:34:54,080 --> 01:34:57,760
Speaker 3: Didn't that look like this is not a bit a

2040
01:34:57,800 --> 01:35:00,080
Speaker 3: shop versus Rothwell had an ending like that?

2041
01:35:00,200 --> 01:35:03,120
Speaker 2: Okay, what what why are we doing fifty thousand bits today?

2042
01:35:03,160 --> 01:35:03,760
Speaker 2: What we said?

2043
01:35:03,760 --> 01:35:06,000
Speaker 3: It's not I just told you this is not a bit,

2044
01:35:06,080 --> 01:35:08,559
Speaker 3: didn't I can I make UFC history references to like

2045
01:35:08,560 --> 01:35:09,559
Speaker 3: the is.

2046
01:35:10,320 --> 01:35:12,960
Speaker 2: It that similar? Well, now the thing is, okay, we're

2047
01:35:13,000 --> 01:35:16,960
Speaker 2: being serious. The thing is didn't rothwell have follow up

2048
01:35:16,960 --> 01:35:18,480
Speaker 2: shots on the ground.

2049
01:35:18,600 --> 01:35:20,720
Speaker 3: Maybe, but he was getting lit up and then he

2050
01:35:20,840 --> 01:35:23,519
Speaker 3: landed one big left you know they were.

2051
01:35:23,479 --> 01:35:26,599
Speaker 2: Thrown at the same Oh, and then he fell. Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, okay, yes,

2052
01:35:26,640 --> 01:35:27,559
Speaker 2: you're right, you're right, you're right.

2053
01:35:27,800 --> 01:35:31,200
Speaker 3: I mean I've graduated from skits and bits, Luke.

2054
01:35:31,240 --> 01:35:35,880
Speaker 2: Okay, bc BC look at me. You'll never graduate from

2055
01:35:35,920 --> 01:35:38,160
Speaker 2: skits and bits. Skits and bits is who you are.

2056
01:35:38,400 --> 01:35:39,960
Speaker 2: It's who you are in your heart. Bro.

2057
01:35:40,439 --> 01:35:43,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, I know. Uh. The zone boxing over the weekend.

2058
01:35:43,200 --> 01:35:46,240
Speaker 3: Here's Orgy Chavez, Luke. Check this out.

2059
01:35:46,840 --> 01:35:48,439
Speaker 2: I gotta see this. I didn't see any of this.

2060
01:35:50,479 --> 01:36:00,280
Speaker 2: Oh dude, he ate that right hand flush, yeah, hand,

2061
01:36:00,400 --> 01:36:03,680
Speaker 2: right left hook pushes them off, left hook.

2062
01:36:03,840 --> 01:36:10,200
Speaker 3: Bang a yeah, that's over. Uh. Sometimes the best knockouts, Luke,

2063
01:36:10,240 --> 01:36:12,800
Speaker 3: are before the fights, during the face offside. This is

2064
01:36:12,840 --> 01:36:14,599
Speaker 3: Europe somewhere right. Let's check this.

2065
01:36:14,640 --> 01:36:19,960
Speaker 2: Listen Oh, I mean, I come on, fellas like, yeah, I.

2066
01:36:19,920 --> 01:36:22,600
Speaker 3: Mean, you know you gotta you gotta protect yourself at

2067
01:36:22,640 --> 01:36:26,040
Speaker 3: all times, Luke, Right, that's the deal. Oh boy, wow,

2068
01:36:26,360 --> 01:36:29,000
Speaker 3: all right, speaking of protecting yourself at all times, watch

2069
01:36:29,040 --> 01:36:29,639
Speaker 3: this highlight.

2070
01:36:36,320 --> 01:36:39,680
Speaker 2: The king is the sport of kings. This guy's out

2071
01:36:39,760 --> 01:36:42,360
Speaker 2: here like concussion barfing and any guy just comes up

2072
01:36:42,360 --> 01:36:43,479
Speaker 2: as like funk that I'm gonna hit them.

2073
01:36:43,560 --> 01:36:46,400
Speaker 3: That's gonna say. Should the referee like call time out

2074
01:36:46,400 --> 01:36:48,160
Speaker 3: if somebody's about the puke or is that fair game?

2075
01:36:48,360 --> 01:36:50,200
Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, if they're puking. Well, first of all, if

2076
01:36:50,200 --> 01:36:52,240
Speaker 2: you vomit in a fight, it's over. It's over there,

2077
01:36:52,280 --> 01:36:56,240
Speaker 2: Fight's over like they done. So you know, my man,

2078
01:36:56,320 --> 01:36:58,400
Speaker 2: my man, the referee there just taking a sweet ass

2079
01:36:58,400 --> 01:36:59,320
Speaker 2: time to get over there.

2080
01:36:59,720 --> 01:37:01,320
Speaker 3: That the rule at the dinner table. When I was

2081
01:37:01,320 --> 01:37:03,800
Speaker 3: a kid, Luke, I could avoid the endless amounts of

2082
01:37:03,800 --> 01:37:05,880
Speaker 3: cucumb raw cucumbers I had to eat as long as

2083
01:37:05,920 --> 01:37:06,360
Speaker 3: I puked.

2084
01:37:06,840 --> 01:37:09,360
Speaker 2: So I discovered, so I always discovered new things about BC.

2085
01:37:09,479 --> 01:37:13,519
Speaker 2: So BC, folks, I didn't realize this doesn't eat any

2086
01:37:13,640 --> 01:37:17,040
Speaker 2: melon of any kind, which would include honeydew, candaloupe, watermelon.

2087
01:37:17,080 --> 01:37:17,719
Speaker 2: Do you eat mango.

2088
01:37:19,160 --> 01:37:23,280
Speaker 3: No, do you drink juice? So look at this. I

2089
01:37:23,360 --> 01:37:27,320
Speaker 3: wasn't tortured as a kid, Luke, but as about a

2090
01:37:27,400 --> 01:37:30,120
Speaker 3: second or third grader, my parents got a hold of

2091
01:37:30,160 --> 01:37:37,599
Speaker 3: this book that was like vegetables and fruit, almost nothing else.

2092
01:37:37,640 --> 01:37:39,680
Speaker 3: You'll be the healthiest person of all time. And we

2093
01:37:39,720 --> 01:37:41,479
Speaker 3: lived that life for two years. So you know, when

2094
01:37:41,479 --> 01:37:43,040
Speaker 3: you're a kid in you like sugar, cereal and all

2095
01:37:43,120 --> 01:37:47,840
Speaker 3: kinds of you know, it's Luke, and then the like no,

2096
01:37:48,080 --> 01:37:51,640
Speaker 3: for two years, you're only gonna eat like plates, just

2097
01:37:51,680 --> 01:37:55,280
Speaker 3: lates of chopped It took you know. That's why when

2098
01:37:55,320 --> 01:37:57,320
Speaker 3: you and I go to the salad bar at Kava, Luke,

2099
01:37:57,320 --> 01:37:59,639
Speaker 3: I've got to tell them right away get that cucumber

2100
01:37:59,640 --> 01:38:03,519
Speaker 3: out of it. And I don't want any pickles either,

2101
01:38:03,520 --> 01:38:07,240
Speaker 3: because they're cucumbers disguise.

2102
01:38:07,320 --> 01:38:07,519
Speaker 1: Luke.

2103
01:38:08,200 --> 01:38:10,800
Speaker 3: You know that's not easy to be the only kid

2104
01:38:10,840 --> 01:38:15,280
Speaker 3: at field day when the dessert is watermelon to be like, no,

2105
01:38:15,439 --> 01:38:16,760
Speaker 3: I don't eat that stuff, Luke.

2106
01:38:17,360 --> 01:38:20,080
Speaker 2: Well, watermelon's delicious, and you have a of a toddler,

2107
01:38:20,160 --> 01:38:20,639
Speaker 2: it's okay.

2108
01:38:21,600 --> 01:38:24,800
Speaker 3: It's too close to cucumber with the seeds. It's disgusting.

2109
01:38:24,840 --> 01:38:27,559
Speaker 2: It's your sign.

2110
01:38:27,520 --> 01:38:29,120
Speaker 3: Is facing or is it just me? All right, there

2111
01:38:29,120 --> 01:38:32,160
Speaker 3: we go, let's keep this show going. I got strong

2112
01:38:32,280 --> 01:38:34,400
Speaker 3: McDonald's wye, I got like Taco bell WiFi. At the

2113
01:38:34,400 --> 01:38:40,040
Speaker 3: moment here, it's much stronger than me. Yo. So little

2114
01:38:40,160 --> 01:38:43,040
Speaker 3: little little Hendo on bizz ping two point zero right here, right?

2115
01:38:44,280 --> 01:38:47,960
Speaker 2: So he drops him? Does he get on top? A yeah,

2116
01:38:48,000 --> 01:38:52,519
Speaker 2: a little bit, although although Hendo went like jumping and

2117
01:38:52,520 --> 01:38:54,880
Speaker 2: then left his own feet and then like came down,

2118
01:38:55,080 --> 01:38:56,680
Speaker 2: you know, like the hammer of thor or something. By

2119
01:38:56,680 --> 01:38:58,520
Speaker 2: the way, you're asking, what's on my hand, it's temporary

2120
01:38:58,560 --> 01:39:01,639
Speaker 2: tattoos I got for my kid. I have a cash girl, dad.

2121
01:39:01,640 --> 01:39:03,360
Speaker 3: That's what I'm talking about. Dude, Kobe would have done

2122
01:39:03,360 --> 01:39:07,679
Speaker 3: the same thing. I love that I have a cow. Look, okay, look,

2123
01:39:07,680 --> 01:39:09,200
Speaker 3: I got a key question for you. How many white

2124
01:39:09,200 --> 01:39:12,720
Speaker 3: guys does it take to remove a tree branch? Yeah? Yeah,

2125
01:39:19,040 --> 01:39:20,639
Speaker 3: just too, just too Luca is the answer?

2126
01:39:20,640 --> 01:39:25,760
Speaker 2: All right, dude, tell that one again. You tell that

2127
01:39:25,800 --> 01:39:39,920
Speaker 2: one again. Here's friend. Oh Jesus Christ, Steve, what happened? Yes, yeah,

2128
01:39:39,960 --> 01:39:41,559
Speaker 2: you two are fucking idiots. That's what happened.

2129
01:39:41,640 --> 01:39:43,479
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's what happened. All right. Hey, let's go down

2130
01:39:43,479 --> 01:39:45,519
Speaker 3: on the boardwalk. Luke. You know, down on the shore,

2131
01:39:45,920 --> 01:39:48,640
Speaker 3: down on the boardwalk, we were having some fun. This

2132
01:39:48,760 --> 01:39:49,639
Speaker 3: is definitely something I.

2133
01:39:49,600 --> 01:39:57,759
Speaker 2: Want to bro This is a true story, a true story.

2134
01:39:57,800 --> 01:39:59,360
Speaker 2: When I was in Turkey one time, man, there was

2135
01:39:59,400 --> 01:40:04,200
Speaker 2: like a big soccer match there. It was Galatus Arry

2136
01:40:04,360 --> 01:40:06,360
Speaker 2: versus Fenerbacchi. And I know you want to appreciate that,

2137
01:40:06,400 --> 01:40:08,559
Speaker 2: but trust me when I tell you. Like Turkish football,

2138
01:40:08,960 --> 01:40:11,200
Speaker 2: the fans are known for like setting off flares at

2139
01:40:11,240 --> 01:40:13,439
Speaker 2: the events and shit like that, like it's crazy. And

2140
01:40:13,479 --> 01:40:15,759
Speaker 2: there was a dude chasing another dude down the street

2141
01:40:15,840 --> 01:40:18,479
Speaker 2: and I'm not making this up with a donor kebab sword,

2142
01:40:18,560 --> 01:40:21,040
Speaker 2: the swords they used to cut these fucking giants pieces

2143
01:40:21,080 --> 01:40:22,880
Speaker 2: of meat. He was chasing a guy down the street

2144
01:40:22,880 --> 01:40:25,360
Speaker 2: with a donor kobob sword. I was like, yo, Turkey

2145
01:40:25,479 --> 01:40:26,000
Speaker 2: is for me.

2146
01:40:27,520 --> 01:40:30,120
Speaker 3: Uh, how did you not have the same like religious

2147
01:40:30,160 --> 01:40:32,760
Speaker 3: experience you had attending that Madrid game. Is because those

2148
01:40:32,760 --> 01:40:34,800
Speaker 3: Turkish teams are not as globally successful.

2149
01:40:35,280 --> 01:40:37,640
Speaker 2: No, I didn't go to the game itself. We were

2150
01:40:37,720 --> 01:40:40,040
Speaker 2: in the area of Galata, which is an Istanbul and

2151
01:40:40,080 --> 01:40:43,880
Speaker 2: so there was like there was just partying. I mean,

2152
01:40:43,920 --> 01:40:45,719
Speaker 2: the streets were full. It was like a street festival.

2153
01:40:45,720 --> 01:40:49,320
Speaker 2: And then as we made our way out, there are

2154
01:40:48,720 --> 01:40:51,960
Speaker 2: the fans. The teams were greeting each other, or at

2155
01:40:52,000 --> 01:40:54,840
Speaker 2: least running into each other, and uh yeah, turned into

2156
01:40:54,880 --> 01:40:58,000
Speaker 2: a fucking nightmare. So for that guy, for that guy.

2157
01:40:57,880 --> 01:41:00,560
Speaker 3: I like spinning. Spinning meat is very active, Luke. I

2158
01:41:00,600 --> 01:41:02,280
Speaker 3: would love to jump over and take a bite out

2159
01:41:02,280 --> 01:41:05,360
Speaker 3: of that there. But let's go to the or Walk

2160
01:41:05,400 --> 01:41:07,760
Speaker 3: pizza parlor. Luke, tell him your pizza is shit. You

2161
01:41:07,760 --> 01:41:12,719
Speaker 3: pay there's a receipt for that. Yeah, right, dude.

2162
01:41:13,200 --> 01:41:15,439
Speaker 2: Honestly, if someone told me this is how you pay

2163
01:41:15,439 --> 01:41:17,640
Speaker 2: for pizza in Jersey, I believe it.

2164
01:41:18,080 --> 01:41:19,760
Speaker 3: Dude, if I was hanging out in there, I'd grab

2165
01:41:19,800 --> 01:41:22,120
Speaker 3: as many slices as I can't just run. That'd be great.

2166
01:41:22,680 --> 01:41:25,320
Speaker 2: Like, listen, I'm not I like a slice of cheese

2167
01:41:25,360 --> 01:41:26,720
Speaker 2: with three uppercuts.

2168
01:41:29,760 --> 01:41:31,920
Speaker 3: Hey, Luke, I realized I didn't have any elder abuse

2169
01:41:31,960 --> 01:41:34,200
Speaker 3: in this week's batch, so I found the greatest hit.

2170
01:41:34,320 --> 01:41:36,280
Speaker 3: Let's hit. Let's hit one of our greatest hits all

2171
01:41:36,320 --> 01:41:37,040
Speaker 3: over again here?

2172
01:41:37,560 --> 01:41:43,400
Speaker 2: All right? All right, oh hit old Grahama with the crossover. Yeah,

2173
01:41:43,439 --> 01:41:43,800
Speaker 2: what's up?

2174
01:41:45,000 --> 01:41:48,639
Speaker 3: Hey, Granny broke your ankles and your hip? Yeah, yeah, yeah,

2175
01:41:48,680 --> 01:41:51,479
Speaker 3: that is it all right? Uh Luke? People ask me

2176
01:41:51,560 --> 01:41:54,360
Speaker 3: a lot. How do you warm up for MK each Monday,

2177
01:41:54,360 --> 01:41:56,719
Speaker 3: Wednesday and Friday? I got it on video. Here we go.

2178
01:42:03,520 --> 01:42:05,599
Speaker 2: Instead of a heavy bag though, it's just other women

2179
01:42:05,640 --> 01:42:08,559
Speaker 2: in line at Starbucks.

2180
01:42:10,439 --> 01:42:11,640
Speaker 3: Are we still okay? We're still here?

2181
01:42:11,640 --> 01:42:13,799
Speaker 2: I had WiFi. We're here. We're here a fucker.

2182
01:42:14,160 --> 01:42:19,639
Speaker 3: That's great, h Luke. Chubb Rock on the it's called

2183
01:42:19,760 --> 01:42:23,639
Speaker 3: Sheil o'meal and he is my new basketball hero.

2184
01:42:27,760 --> 01:42:35,000
Speaker 2: Yo, Yo, chub Rock over here, yo hit with Luke.

2185
01:42:37,600 --> 01:42:41,360
Speaker 2: Wow Yo, this big fellow. Has he got any ups?

2186
01:42:41,479 --> 01:42:41,519
Speaker 3: No?

2187
01:42:41,800 --> 01:42:42,800
Speaker 2: Zero ups?

2188
01:42:43,320 --> 01:42:45,760
Speaker 3: You don't need him. You don't need him, Luke. Look

2189
01:42:45,840 --> 01:42:47,000
Speaker 3: at that from way downtown.

2190
01:42:47,160 --> 01:42:49,439
Speaker 2: Dude, just draining in front of these fucking guys. He's

2191
01:42:49,560 --> 01:42:52,400
Speaker 2: hedd He's the him and the guy who drank a

2192
01:42:52,400 --> 01:42:58,320
Speaker 2: bunch or the MK mascots. Also, this guy would fucking

2193
01:42:58,560 --> 01:43:00,559
Speaker 2: torch you and I in a game of hort. Believe

2194
01:43:00,600 --> 01:43:01,240
Speaker 2: that true.

2195
01:43:01,240 --> 01:43:03,639
Speaker 3: But his stemin has gotta be in question at this point.

2196
01:43:03,720 --> 01:43:05,640
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, and then you have a coronary on the

2197
01:43:05,720 --> 01:43:06,200
Speaker 2: on the court.

2198
01:43:06,280 --> 01:43:09,559
Speaker 3: Yeah, hey, it's time for some nutshots. Let's hit it.

2199
01:43:09,600 --> 01:43:11,439
Speaker 3: You know, I love a good park Corps fail once

2200
01:43:11,439 --> 01:43:18,000
Speaker 3: in a while, right oh you yo wow?

2201
01:43:19,360 --> 01:43:19,639
Speaker 2: Fuck?

2202
01:43:19,880 --> 01:43:26,000
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, Luke. I can't tell if this next nutshot

2203
01:43:26,240 --> 01:43:29,519
Speaker 3: or accident, accidental or or this is the beginning of

2204
01:43:29,560 --> 01:43:30,880
Speaker 3: a of a close relationship.

2205
01:43:39,600 --> 01:43:42,840
Speaker 2: You know, the black guy just ruined his balls with

2206
01:43:42,880 --> 01:43:47,160
Speaker 2: the parkour, but these two white gentlemen bumped into each

2207
01:43:47,200 --> 01:43:48,080
Speaker 2: other's balls.

2208
01:43:48,560 --> 01:43:50,559
Speaker 3: How about this guy? Look this guy's great Look at

2209
01:43:50,560 --> 01:43:51,040
Speaker 3: that suit.

2210
01:43:51,960 --> 01:43:53,360
Speaker 2: Do these kinds of parks like this?

2211
01:43:53,720 --> 01:43:59,400
Speaker 1: Oh oh oh yeah, wow, right in the we're in

2212
01:43:59,439 --> 01:44:00,240
Speaker 1: the back door there.

2213
01:44:00,360 --> 01:44:03,200
Speaker 2: Yikes, you know what, that's karma, Castigo devino. That guy

2214
01:44:03,240 --> 01:44:05,920
Speaker 2: shouldn't be reproducing anyway. He looks like a loser. Do

2215
01:44:05,960 --> 01:44:06,760
Speaker 2: you ever go to the.

2216
01:44:06,720 --> 01:44:11,080
Speaker 3: Mall in a shitty city on a weekday morning and like,

2217
01:44:11,120 --> 01:44:12,599
Speaker 3: if you're like, if you're like, you know, in your

2218
01:44:12,600 --> 01:44:14,400
Speaker 3: early twenties and you're real high and you have no

2219
01:44:14,520 --> 01:44:16,439
Speaker 3: other reason but to go eat at Arby's and try

2220
01:44:16,479 --> 01:44:18,160
Speaker 3: to see if you can buy a CD or something,

2221
01:44:18,200 --> 01:44:20,800
Speaker 3: And there's a guy walking around in like a pimp suit,

2222
01:44:20,880 --> 01:44:23,280
Speaker 3: look like with the cane and the hat, but like

2223
01:44:23,360 --> 01:44:26,400
Speaker 3: it's the most elaborate dress suit you've ever seen. I'd

2224
01:44:26,400 --> 01:44:28,400
Speaker 3: love to know those guys' stories, how they got here.

2225
01:44:28,439 --> 01:44:29,400
Speaker 3: You know what they're into.

2226
01:44:30,680 --> 01:44:32,920
Speaker 2: I don't even understand what you're talking about. I don't

2227
01:44:32,920 --> 01:44:34,680
Speaker 2: go to the mall at all, and if I did,

2228
01:44:34,680 --> 01:44:36,479
Speaker 2: I wouldn't eat at Arby's. I'm also not in my

2229
01:44:36,520 --> 01:44:40,040
Speaker 2: twenties and there's no guys in pimp suits. So showing

2230
01:44:40,120 --> 01:44:41,439
Speaker 2: up to Pentagon City mall.

2231
01:44:41,640 --> 01:44:44,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, sorry. I don't spend a lot of time in Waterbury, Connecticut.

2232
01:44:44,120 --> 01:44:47,040
Speaker 3: My life I anything can happen. Hey, Luke Real recognizes

2233
01:44:47,120 --> 01:44:51,599
Speaker 3: Reel again as Dravonte, Tank Davis, and Denzel catch up

2234
01:44:51,600 --> 01:44:51,800
Speaker 3: at it.

2235
01:44:53,479 --> 01:44:58,640
Speaker 2: Why is Denzel dressing like? I mean?

2236
01:44:58,720 --> 01:45:00,360
Speaker 3: Is it cool to dress like a bus boy like

2237
01:45:00,400 --> 01:45:00,920
Speaker 3: Joe Rogan?

2238
01:45:01,000 --> 01:45:03,880
Speaker 2: No, he dresses like he He dresses like he runs

2239
01:45:03,880 --> 01:45:04,719
Speaker 2: a hardware store.

2240
01:45:05,320 --> 01:45:06,559
Speaker 3: That is true. That is true.

2241
01:45:06,560 --> 01:45:07,240
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying.

2242
01:45:07,560 --> 01:45:10,200
Speaker 3: Indeed, what what's your favorite Denzel roll off the top

2243
01:45:10,240 --> 01:45:10,719
Speaker 3: of your head?

2244
01:45:12,280 --> 01:45:15,200
Speaker 2: Malcolm Malcolm X, Malcolm X?

2245
01:45:15,400 --> 01:45:18,760
Speaker 3: How about him? And Glory was amazing? Amazing?

2246
01:45:19,040 --> 01:45:22,360
Speaker 2: That's a great one, you know, even smaller ones. They

2247
01:45:22,360 --> 01:45:25,479
Speaker 2: don't make movies like this anymore. But like Pelican Brief, Yeah,

2248
01:45:25,640 --> 01:45:31,320
Speaker 2: he killed it in that The Equalizer's okay. I wasn't

2249
01:45:31,320 --> 01:45:34,200
Speaker 2: so into him on that role. You know, uh, he

2250
01:45:34,280 --> 01:45:36,639
Speaker 2: got game. How about he got game? Dude, Yeah, he

2251
01:45:36,680 --> 01:45:38,639
Speaker 2: got game. He kills it and he got game.

2252
01:45:39,439 --> 01:45:42,280
Speaker 3: Public Enemy on that soundtrack too, loved it, Luke, let's

2253
01:45:42,280 --> 01:45:43,880
Speaker 3: go to the gym. You know you've made fun of

2254
01:45:44,000 --> 01:45:47,080
Speaker 3: the lifting form of other former UFC fighters in the past.

2255
01:45:47,160 --> 01:45:50,800
Speaker 3: No skits here, dude, back off. Here's former light heavy

2256
01:45:50,840 --> 01:45:52,000
Speaker 3: with champion Tito Ortiz.

2257
01:45:52,120 --> 01:45:55,639
Speaker 2: Luke, Oh, titough?

2258
01:45:56,000 --> 01:45:56,679
Speaker 3: Is that normal?

2259
01:45:57,280 --> 01:46:01,439
Speaker 2: No? That's not normal. So here's just like a basic idea,

2260
01:46:01,439 --> 01:46:05,120
Speaker 2: Like here's how you know it's messed up, right, there's like, okay,

2261
01:46:06,320 --> 01:46:09,320
Speaker 2: just as a basic rule to understand something. Right, if

2262
01:46:09,360 --> 01:46:13,719
Speaker 2: I'm pulling this way right, that is a meaningfully different

2263
01:46:13,800 --> 01:46:18,120
Speaker 2: pull than overhead pulling down. But if I lean back

2264
01:46:18,160 --> 01:46:20,200
Speaker 2: far enough, I can just turn it into a row.

2265
01:46:20,240 --> 01:46:24,439
Speaker 2: You see the difference. Pull up, row, Roll the video again.

2266
01:46:24,600 --> 01:46:27,720
Speaker 2: Roll the video again. He's trying to do a pull

2267
01:46:27,800 --> 01:46:30,000
Speaker 2: up and ends up just doing a row. You see

2268
01:46:30,000 --> 01:46:31,960
Speaker 2: that because he leans so far back.

2269
01:46:32,400 --> 01:46:33,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's doing both at the same time.

2270
01:46:34,120 --> 01:46:37,400
Speaker 2: Well, no, he's on a piece of equipment that's designed

2271
01:46:37,400 --> 01:46:39,760
Speaker 2: to work a different part of your musculature than the

2272
01:46:39,760 --> 01:46:42,400
Speaker 2: one he's doing it. Also, he's leaning back to throw

2273
01:46:42,439 --> 01:46:44,280
Speaker 2: the way back so he can row it. It's like

2274
01:46:44,479 --> 01:46:48,639
Speaker 2: it's like it's like, okay, Tito, take about three notches

2275
01:46:48,680 --> 01:46:51,519
Speaker 2: off the plates and then just do it normally like

2276
01:46:51,560 --> 01:46:52,760
Speaker 2: you're fucking supposed to.

2277
01:46:53,800 --> 01:46:58,080
Speaker 3: Luke. Unbeaten boxer Francis Hogan made some made some noise

2278
01:46:58,080 --> 01:46:59,639
Speaker 3: at the weigh in over the weekend by.

2279
01:46:59,479 --> 01:47:03,639
Speaker 2: Going on, all right, all right, I mean this thing

2280
01:47:03,680 --> 01:47:06,320
Speaker 2: in MMA where guys get stupid haircuts and then wear

2281
01:47:06,360 --> 01:47:08,720
Speaker 2: borat swimsuits, it's just really gotta go.

2282
01:47:08,880 --> 01:47:11,360
Speaker 3: This is boxing. This was in Boston at the same

2283
01:47:11,479 --> 01:47:12,200
Speaker 3: card put.

2284
01:47:12,080 --> 01:47:15,679
Speaker 2: On by Combat Sports Combat sportsffler uh.

2285
01:47:15,800 --> 01:47:17,920
Speaker 3: That was on USC Fight Pass. I think Callum Walsh

2286
01:47:17,920 --> 01:47:18,920
Speaker 3: was the name of the guy in the main event.

2287
01:47:19,000 --> 01:47:19,160
Speaker 2: Luke.

2288
01:47:19,200 --> 01:47:21,519
Speaker 3: Dana was there and did you hear that? He told

2289
01:47:21,560 --> 01:47:24,920
Speaker 3: the Sports Business Journal this weekend Dana White that zoof

2290
01:47:24,960 --> 01:47:29,000
Speaker 3: for Boxing is in fact not dead and Dana once

2291
01:47:29,040 --> 01:47:32,160
Speaker 3: again has plans to make some noise and make big

2292
01:47:32,200 --> 01:47:33,240
Speaker 3: fights in the boxing game.

2293
01:47:33,280 --> 01:47:36,120
Speaker 2: You if you never quit, it's never dead, right.

2294
01:47:36,240 --> 01:47:37,800
Speaker 3: It's a fair point. That's a fair point.

2295
01:47:38,640 --> 01:47:39,880
Speaker 2: It's not really alive either.

2296
01:47:40,000 --> 01:47:44,000
Speaker 3: But you know, yeah, I got some food fair for you. Luke,

2297
01:47:44,000 --> 01:47:45,280
Speaker 3: would you would you would.

2298
01:47:45,160 --> 01:47:52,320
Speaker 4: You take this thing down at the County Fair, not

2299
01:47:52,439 --> 01:47:58,040
Speaker 4: with Mayo, now with the secret saucelet.

2300
01:47:58,240 --> 01:48:01,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, maybe a little mustard, but I you know, it's

2301
01:48:01,160 --> 01:48:01,599
Speaker 2: about it.

2302
01:48:02,080 --> 01:48:05,080
Speaker 3: We close this week's ship with the award winning segment

2303
01:48:05,240 --> 01:48:07,720
Speaker 3: sub segment not brought to you by Mamito's. It's called

2304
01:48:07,840 --> 01:48:11,360
Speaker 3: Rate that Tat. Luke. Here we go this for bald guys.

2305
01:48:11,360 --> 01:48:12,519
Speaker 3: What do you think about this idea?

2306
01:48:12,640 --> 01:48:15,639
Speaker 2: Okay, what the fuck are we doing?

2307
01:48:16,000 --> 01:48:18,080
Speaker 3: Isn't that what Lebron did to fix his widow's peak?

2308
01:48:18,160 --> 01:48:25,200
Speaker 2: Luke, I don't think Lebron did this. I'll rate that

2309
01:48:25,280 --> 01:48:28,920
Speaker 2: a fucking negative eight billion. I mean, what has this

2310
01:48:29,000 --> 01:48:32,519
Speaker 2: person done? Do people do some dumb ship.

2311
01:48:32,360 --> 01:48:35,439
Speaker 3: The steps to the Capitol on January six? Luke? Okay,

2312
01:48:35,479 --> 01:48:36,800
Speaker 3: what else have you done in your life?

2313
01:48:36,840 --> 01:48:39,120
Speaker 2: I mean seriously, I mean there's no way that this

2314
01:48:39,160 --> 01:48:42,360
Speaker 2: guy was like, you know, a Field's Medal winner or

2315
01:48:43,760 --> 01:48:44,439
Speaker 2: you know, it's like.

2316
01:48:44,360 --> 01:48:46,439
Speaker 3: The No, it's like the Nobel Prize. They only give

2317
01:48:46,479 --> 01:48:47,439
Speaker 3: it out every four years.

2318
01:48:47,439 --> 01:48:49,799
Speaker 2: Though this is actually coming along nicely.

2319
01:48:50,160 --> 01:48:52,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, rate this back, Tat. Let's let's check this thing out.

2320
01:48:52,240 --> 01:48:54,519
Speaker 2: Well, it's unfinished, so you'll be a little hard to

2321
01:48:54,520 --> 01:48:57,559
Speaker 2: do that. But this one's coming along. The snake looks

2322
01:48:57,600 --> 01:48:58,080
Speaker 2: pretty good.

2323
01:48:58,360 --> 01:49:00,799
Speaker 3: I don't think it's unfinished. Look at look at the horns.

2324
01:49:00,920 --> 01:49:03,160
Speaker 2: There's some negative The horns are unfinished, right, they have

2325
01:49:03,240 --> 01:49:03,439
Speaker 2: to be.

2326
01:49:04,120 --> 01:49:06,080
Speaker 3: They could. What if it's just negative white, What if

2327
01:49:06,080 --> 01:49:08,120
Speaker 3: it's just pale white skin, Lucy.

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Speaker 2: Then it's not so great. But assuming he's going to

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Speaker 2: finish it, this one's got a little bit of promise

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Speaker 2: to it. I mean I would never get a.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean this is great. Finally, Luke, our final

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Speaker 3: tattoo for you to rate, actually combines two of our

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Speaker 3: favorite things together, me and me in the middle here, Luke.

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Speaker 2: Uh, this is okay, not great, It's not bad. The

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Speaker 2: arms are a little bit out of proportion for the

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Speaker 2: body and the head, so there's some proportion issues. And

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Speaker 2: her feet get a little bit weird at the ankle.

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Speaker 2: At the ankle, how the ankle is like all the

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Speaker 2: way up by her calf.

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Speaker 3: That's a little weird, I mean, fanatically, Luke, Okay, this

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Speaker 3: is a BBL hot dog tattoo.

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Speaker 2: I mean, come on, yeah, short of that though, it's okay,

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Speaker 2: it's it's I would call this tattoo like decent, not great.

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Speaker 2: What flag is that okay, so it looked like it

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Speaker 2: was on its way to being the Chicago flag, which

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Speaker 2: it might be because of the dog at the top.

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Speaker 2: But the Chicago flag four red stars if I'm not mistaken.

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Speaker 2: So I don't know.

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Speaker 3: All right, there you go. That's your shit of the week.

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Speaker 3: Thanks to Mikey Mormal for picking the kernels there out

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Speaker 3: of the feces. Well, we'll be back next Monday with more,

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Speaker 3: and of course Morningcombat at gmail dot com gets you

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Speaker 3: entry into Wednesday's fansubmissions and Fridays Dead Wrong.

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Speaker 2: All right, let's remind everyone here very quickly. You can

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Speaker 2: email the show for Wednesday's fans ups. Friday's dead wrong.

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Speaker 2: We are gonna have a Wednesday show at home and

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Speaker 2: then we'll be on the road for Friday show in

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Speaker 2: Las Vegas. But Morning Coombat at gmail dot com Morningcombat

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Speaker 2: at gmail dot com. The producers will see it, Brian

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Speaker 2: and I will not, so just keep that in mind.

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Speaker 2: Showtime dot com is the label that pays you get

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Speaker 2: a showtime dot com thirty day free trial. If you'd

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Speaker 2: like it, you can keep it. If not, you can't bounce.

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Speaker 2: But of course, for Saturdays, Plant versus Benavidez showtime dot

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Speaker 2: com slash PPV. You can go ahead and order that

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Speaker 2: now and then merchb see Morningcombat dot store all the

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Speaker 2: good stuff there in anything else that we need to

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Speaker 2: remind from. Yeah, YouTube, vote for us if you can.

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Speaker 2: We forgot to do that at the top of the show.

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, vote for US Sports Podcast. They have launched

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Speaker 3: the nominees and all of their categories. We are up

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Speaker 3: for best Sports Combat Podcast for the second straight year.

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Speaker 3: We'll see what happens with a lot of heavy hitters

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Speaker 3: this year going up against US. Luke, I wanted to

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Speaker 3: mention quick that YouTube dot com slash Morning Combat is

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Speaker 3: where we have our extras are in betweens, our bonus

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Speaker 3: content that allows me to accurately say MK all day

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Speaker 3: nearly every day. And I took the kids yesterday, Luke

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Speaker 3: to Creed three in imax.

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Speaker 2: I did, okay, let's hear it. Let's hear it. We

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Speaker 2: don't don't spoil.

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Speaker 3: I think I'm going to put it out on a

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Speaker 3: separate video and rank all nine Rocky and Creed movies together,

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Speaker 3: not under the normal ranking system. I do of like,

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Speaker 3: what's the most rewatchable? So I'm always like, dude, Rocky

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Speaker 3: three and four Man. But I'm really gonna look at

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Speaker 3: it as what is the best films in order in

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Speaker 3: this great genre? Luke, I I liked. I liked Creed three.

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Speaker 3: It was great with my kids, it was fun, Giant

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Speaker 3: Imax theater was it was good. But yeah, I'll have

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Speaker 3: more content on that tomorrow. Thank you.

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Speaker 2: Awesome. I can't wait to see that. That's gonna be great,

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Speaker 2: all right, So we'll have that for you at YouTube

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Speaker 2: dot com Slash Morning Combat and yeah, all the socials.

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01:52:06,880 --> 01:52:10,040
Speaker 2: Give us a follow on all the places, Instagram, TikTok, wherever,

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Speaker 2: wherever the fuck you see it. Give us a nice

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Speaker 2: follow there if you'd be so kind. Thanks to Mikey,

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Speaker 2: great job on the Ones and Tuesday. Really appreciate that.

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Speaker 2: Back on Wednesday, Live at eleven, and that's it for us,

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Speaker 2: So for Brian Campbell, for Malka, for showtime for CBS Sports.

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Speaker 2: The great Mikey Morms did a great job today. We're out.

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Speaker 2: We'll see you on Wednesday, and until then, all of

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Speaker 2: your gains be loyal