Speaker 1: Welcome.
Speaker 2: It is verdict with center Ted Cruz, Ben Ferguson with you, Senator,
Speaker 2: it is a clown show, this court case in New
Speaker 2: York City. Yet you have a judge that has made
Speaker 2: it very clear to Donald Trump, I will put you
Speaker 2: in jail. I don't care that you're a former president
Speaker 2: or is he put it maybe the next president of
Speaker 2: the United States of America.
Speaker 3: Well, I got to say, Ben, what you're saying I
Speaker 3: think is profoundly unfair to clowns. What we're saying in
Speaker 3: New York is ridiculous. It is a partisan Democrat judge
Speaker 3: who is threatening to put Donald Trump in jail. We're
Speaker 3: going to break down what that looks like, what the
Speaker 3: threat is, and what the consequences would be if that
Speaker 3: actually happened. We're also going to talk about what has
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Speaker 3: He's been arrested in Florida over the alleged kidnapping and
Speaker 3: sexual assault of a minor under the age of thirteen.
Speaker 3: This is another illegal immigrant. Biden's release this is happening
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Speaker 2: Let's get to the overview of this trial in New
Speaker 2: York City. This was a trial that we need to
Speaker 2: remind people. The federal government refused to prosecute you. Then
Speaker 2: had Alvin Bragg, who was a guy that said vote
Speaker 2: for me, I'll go after try and has raised literally
Speaker 2: one hundred thousands of dollars off of prosecuting Trump. And
Speaker 2: then we find out even more that the entire team
Speaker 2: around this trial representing the state and Alvin Bragg are
Speaker 2: primo lawyers that took massive emotions to come down and
Speaker 2: work on this specific case to get Donald Trump. And
Speaker 2: that's just the beginning of where we are.
Speaker 3: Well, as you said, this entire thing is a clown show,
Speaker 3: and as I said, that's not fair to clowns. But
Speaker 3: we are seeing a disgraceful display in New York. This
Speaker 3: is the second trial in a row brought by partisan
Speaker 3: Democrat prosecutors who hate Donald Trump, who are ambitious, who
Speaker 3: campaigned promising to go after Donald Trump, and we're bringing
Speaker 3: wildly unfair partisan cases against Trump because it is in
Speaker 3: their political interest. The law doesn't matter in this case.
Speaker 3: We saw this week testimony from Stormy Daniels. It was scintillating.
Speaker 3: It was all desired to say sex, sex, sex.
Speaker 4: I mean that was enough to scream.
Speaker 3: And you know what, if you are a left wing partisan,
Speaker 3: this is like, this is cracked to you.
Speaker 4: This is just.
Speaker 3: Dragging Trump through the gutter. And mind you, this is
Speaker 3: all intended to be a distraction. Understand why this is happening.
Speaker 3: This is not happening because a politician has a sex scandal. Again,
Speaker 3: that is not the first time that has occurred. This
Speaker 3: is happening because Democrats are terrified that the American people
Speaker 3: are going to vote for Donald Trump in November, and
Speaker 3: they are trying to interfere with the election. They're trying
Speaker 3: to stop the election. They're trying to do everything they
Speaker 3: can to stop Trump from being re elected. And they
Speaker 3: don't want the voters focused on what actually matters to
Speaker 3: most voters. Most voters when they go in and vote,
Speaker 3: what they're thinking about is how does this affect my life,
Speaker 3: How does this affect my family, How does this affect
Speaker 3: my kids? And if those are the questions you asking,
Speaker 3: you're going to vote for Trump. Look under Biden, everything
Speaker 3: Biden's touched has gone to crap. It's been a train wreck.
Speaker 3: The policy agenda has been terrible. We've seen inflation out
Speaker 3: of control, crime out of control, the border out of control.
Speaker 3: We've seen relentless partisans, an attack on our constitutional rights,
Speaker 3: an attack on free speech, on religious liberty, on the
Speaker 3: Second Amendment. And that's not to mention the utter chaos
Speaker 3: and disaster. Foreign policy of national security is whether it's
Speaker 3: the Afghanistan debacle or Ukraine or the horrors unfolding in Israel.
Speaker 3: Everything Joe Biden has touched has gone to crap. So
Speaker 3: if you're a partisan Democrat, you don't want to talk
Speaker 3: about Biden's record, Nope, can't defend that. What do you
Speaker 3: want to do? You want to try to smear Trump?
Speaker 3: And I got to say what happened this week? Listen,
Speaker 3: this judge, by all appearances, this judge is a hardcore
Speaker 3: partisan Democrat, just like Alvin Bragg, the George Soros prosecutor.
Speaker 3: So he is now held Donald Trump in contempt twice,
Speaker 3: he's imposed a gag order that said Trump can't talk
Speaker 3: about anything.
Speaker 4: Twice.
Speaker 3: Trump has well, he is the Republican nominee to be president,
Speaker 3: he's running for president. He's going to talk about the
Speaker 3: political persecution going on against him. Well, he violated this
Speaker 3: order and he's received ten thousand dollars worth of fines
Speaker 3: since the trial began, one thousand dollars for each violation,
Speaker 3: and the judge is imposing one after the other after
Speaker 3: the other. And on Monday, here's what the judge said, quote.
Speaker 3: It appears that the one thousand dollars fines are not
Speaker 3: serving as a deterrent. Going forward, this court will have
Speaker 3: to consider a jail sanction. I've got to say it
Speaker 3: is extraordinary. Trump sent out a fundraising email on Monday
Speaker 3: that said, quote, the liberal judge in New York just
Speaker 3: threatened to throw me in jail. All caps and read
Speaker 3: lettering and throw me in jail. They want me in handcuffs.
Speaker 3: And the email, of course sought fundraising. But I'll say
Speaker 3: Trump is saying he will stand up, he will go
Speaker 3: to jail in order to defend the First Amendment. He said, quote,
Speaker 3: I'll do that sacrifice. The circus keeps getting crazier and crazier.
Speaker 2: The fantasy of the left, and this has really been
Speaker 2: i think since twenty sixteen when they went after the
Speaker 2: first impeachment in Russian collusion and the deep state, then
Speaker 2: turn and then the going after people around Trump to
Speaker 2: try to squeeze him with General Flynn and other And
Speaker 2: that's just a few of the highlights. But we also know,
Speaker 2: like for example, the FBI, they knew that the Steele
Speaker 2: dossier was user generated, they classified as user generated. They
Speaker 2: knew that Hillary Clinton's campaign and the DNC Democrat National
Speaker 2: Committee paid for that dossier. They knew that it was
Speaker 2: made out of thin air. And yet the Democratic Party
Speaker 2: still weaponize it to try to get rid and overthrow
Speaker 2: the will of the people. That was the very beginning.
Speaker 2: But even since then, there's been an obsession with this
Speaker 2: idea of putting Donald Trump in prison. There has been
Speaker 2: an obsession with him going to jail, and every time
Speaker 2: they keep coming after him, it seems to come back
Speaker 2: to that idea. This is now a reality that he
Speaker 2: could in fact go to jail. And if he does,
Speaker 2: would this be the most egregious act of election interference
Speaker 2: that the United States of America has ever seen. Because
Speaker 2: he's the front runner and we're within six months of
Speaker 2: election day.
Speaker 3: Yes, but it's already that it has already crossed that barrier.
Speaker 3: And I understand the left, their brains have melted down.
Speaker 3: They hate Trump so much that no norms matter, no
Speaker 3: standards matter, the rule of law doesn't matter. They want Look,
Speaker 3: you're seeing leftists fantasizing about murdering Donald Trump. That that's
Speaker 3: how extreme they are. And and and you know, I'm
Speaker 3: going to say something that may seem extremely in to
Speaker 3: back it up, not a single elected Democrat in Washington
Speaker 3: gives a damn about the rule of law. Now as
Speaker 3: I say that the sort of middle of the road.
Speaker 3: Reasonable person immediately kind of recoils and says, well, boy,
Speaker 3: that seems extreme. Surely there's a Democrat who cares about
Speaker 3: the rule of law. Let me suggest a test. If
Speaker 3: you cared about the rule of law, you would speak
Speaker 3: out against this horrific political persecution that is occurring directed
Speaker 3: at Donald Trump. Now, listen, you don't have to love Trump.
Speaker 3: You don't have to vote for Trump. If you're a Democrat,
Speaker 3: I get that you wouldn't vote for Trump. You'll jump
Speaker 3: on board with with Biden. That's okay, that's your team.
Speaker 3: But we're not talking about who you, as standard Democrat,
Speaker 3: senator or House member, is going to vote for. We're
Speaker 3: talking about basic standards. Do you think it is right
Speaker 3: to abuse the justice system to have partisan prosecutors run
Speaker 3: and campaign saying I'm going to be elected so I
Speaker 3: can prosecute Donald Trump? Do you think it's right for
Speaker 3: the results of those prosecutions and over two hundred years
Speaker 3: we've never prosecuted a former president. We now have four
Speaker 3: pending indictments plus a ridiculous civil suit seeking a half
Speaker 3: billion dollars from Donald Trump, all at the same time.
Speaker 3: This is the absolute abuse of power. And I don't
Speaker 3: know a single Democrat in the Senate, not one. They're
Speaker 3: fifty one of them. Ben, I cannot tell you one
Speaker 3: of my colleagues who stood up and said, hey, this
Speaker 3: is going too far. And you know what, you now
Speaker 3: have this judge literally saying threatening, We're going to put
Speaker 3: Donald Trump in handcuffs and send them to prison. And
Speaker 3: by the way, it's May. There's an election in November
Speaker 3: where he might be just about ready to go back
Speaker 3: to the oval office.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's very interesting to watch how the media.
Speaker 2: The media got us to this point that we are
Speaker 2: right now. They're the ones that have taken these stories
Speaker 2: and weaponized them and give cover to these attacks and
Speaker 2: these ridiculous indictments of Donald Trump. But what's also interesting
Speaker 2: now is just how scumbaggery is the best way I
Speaker 2: can describe it with words I'm allowed to use here
Speaker 2: the media is even while they're covering this moment.
Speaker 3: But by the way, Bennett, it is a podcast. You're
Speaker 3: allowed to use this any word. But I will say
Speaker 3: it's a family friendly podcast. So even though the SCC
Speaker 3: will not block you, I might have Rump disapprovingly if
Speaker 3: you drop some profanities that's true.
Speaker 2: So see, this is why I'm this is why I'm
Speaker 2: keeping it PG. You look at and see it in
Speaker 2: and it's like their bipolar gosh Diggley Dunnik.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there you go.
Speaker 2: It's like their bipolar while they're covering this. So there's
Speaker 2: this obsession with them to put Trump in jail. But
Speaker 2: then they say, well, we're gonna make fun of Trump
Speaker 2: and say Trump couldn't handle jail because he doesn't even
Speaker 2: like being in a hotel. But then we're gonna say,
Speaker 2: if the judge does this, it could have repercussions for reelection,
Speaker 2: maybe in a negative way against Democrats. And they did
Speaker 2: all this while live on TV listen.
Speaker 3: Violation to the gag order since then, and my senses
Speaker 3: he probably won't.
Speaker 5: I just want to read more of what the judge
Speaker 5: actually said to Trump today. He said, mister Trump, it's
Speaker 5: important to understand the last thing I want to do
Speaker 5: is put you in jail. You're the former president of
Speaker 5: the United States and possibly the next president as well.
Speaker 5: There are many reasons why incarceration is truly a last resort.
Speaker 5: For me to take that step would be disruptive and
Speaker 5: to these proceedings which I imagine you want to end
Speaker 5: as quickly as possible, just politically, Caitlin.
Speaker 1: What would this mean?
Speaker 6: I mean, the argument is that Trump would relish it
Speaker 6: in the sense that he would be able to argue
Speaker 6: what he's been arguing every day outside that courtroom, that
Speaker 6: he is being politically persecuted here, that he can't use
Speaker 6: his First Amendment right, he can't speak freely, that this
Speaker 6: is protected political speech. The idea that Donald Trump actually
Speaker 6: would want to go to.
Speaker 7: Jail is ridiculous.
Speaker 6: Anyone who knows him knows that he doesn't even like
Speaker 6: to stay in a hotel when he goes on foreign trips.
Speaker 6: When he went as president, it was a whole thing
Speaker 6: to actually get him to stay over night in places.
Speaker 6: So this idea that he actually does want to do
Speaker 6: this for the optics perspective, I mean, when you speak
Speaker 6: to his closest advisors and allies, they'll say that's completely
Speaker 6: far fetched. Now do they think it would work to
Speaker 6: their advantage? Maybe politically, but I do think Donald Trump
Speaker 6: heating This is something that you never see Donald Trump do,
Speaker 6: which is actually watching his words, and he keeps acknowledging
Speaker 6: that every time he goes into that courtroom, even if
Speaker 6: he is lying about what the gag order actually says
Speaker 6: he can and cannot do, he is being careful. And
Speaker 6: he did the same thing after the Egen Carol verdicts
Speaker 6: came out where he was found to have defamed her
Speaker 6: and it was going to cost him a lot of money.
Speaker 6: He changed the way that he would speak publicly about.
Speaker 8: Her until until he to fame Drick with you in
Speaker 8: your in your town hall, and then she ended up
Speaker 8: bringing him back to court over that incident.
Speaker 1: I mean, I love that there.
Speaker 2: Even on TV when they're trying to make a point,
Speaker 2: the other host on there's like, well, except he didn't
Speaker 2: do what you just said, because he went back to
Speaker 2: court for doing the exact opposite of what Caitlyn Collins
Speaker 2: just said. And then she's like, alwa, he's a wish Oh.
Speaker 2: He couldn't handle jail, always be afraid of it. He
Speaker 2: can't even handle a hotel room. I mean, this is
Speaker 2: the insanity of the media. Why anyone watches these people
Speaker 2: is beyond me at this point.
Speaker 3: Well, CNN hates Donald Trump. It suffuses throughout their entire
Speaker 3: fake news media organization.
Speaker 4: They hate him. They hate him, they hate him.
Speaker 3: Every moment of news coverage they have is designed to
Speaker 3: attack him. But I'm gonna make two observations. Number One,
Speaker 3: I do not believe Donald Trump will spend a single
Speaker 3: day in jail.
Speaker 4: I do not believe.
Speaker 3: I think Number one, the judge, I'm not convinced that
Speaker 3: he has the guts to do it. I think he
Speaker 3: recognizes it's a big damn deal. As was quoted, he's
Speaker 3: the former president of the United States. He may well
Speaker 3: be the next president of the United States. I don't
Speaker 3: think this New York trial judge wants to send the
Speaker 3: president to jail, even as he's a partisan. I think
Speaker 3: he recognizes, Wow, that's a big step. Secondly, if he did,
Speaker 3: I think he would end up having the order to
Speaker 3: go to jail overturn on appeal. I think the appellate
Speaker 3: judges would be very, very nervous to send him to jail.
Speaker 3: So my prediction right now, Donald Trump will not serve
Speaker 3: a day in jail. And I'm going to make a
Speaker 3: second prediction.
Speaker 4: Wrong.
Speaker 3: If Donald Trump serves a day in jail, he'll be
Speaker 3: re elected as president in November. It would be a
Speaker 3: moment that would move the polls. And by the way,
Speaker 3: I'll say a year ago more than a year ago,
Speaker 3: when the first indictments were coming down against Trump, I
Speaker 3: said on this podcast to our terrific listeners who listened
Speaker 3: to Verdict regularly, I said, if Donald Trump is indicted,
Speaker 3: it will be worth ten points in the polls. Now,
Speaker 3: at the time that was viewed as kind of a
Speaker 3: wacky proposition. I can tell you within less than a
Speaker 3: week of the first indictment, Trump rose ten points in
Speaker 3: the polls. That's exactly right. I'm telling you right now,
Speaker 3: if these partisan left wing Democrats put him in jail
Speaker 3: for even a day, Trump will win in November. It
Speaker 3: will cost the Democrats.
Speaker 1: The White House.
Speaker 2: Well there's also, by the way, and this is, as
Speaker 2: we mentioned earlier, their fantasy since twenty sixteen, to put
Speaker 2: him in jail.
Speaker 1: They may be agreeing with you.
Speaker 2: I'm talking about the left and specifically the media that okay,
Speaker 2: maybe we don't want to put him in jail, and
Speaker 2: maybe that won't happen. They've moved on to a new fantasy.
Speaker 2: By the way, Senator Jensaki on MSNBC saying this.
Speaker 7: I think many of them want to be close to power.
Speaker 7: They also assume or have this thought in their mind
Speaker 7: that maybe Donald Trump will go away. Maybe he'll go
Speaker 7: to jail. Maybe he will die. Not to be too morbid,
Speaker 7: but maybe. I mean, he's not a young man.
Speaker 2: So now we moved on to dying, like, well, if
Speaker 2: the jail thing doesn't work, well, maybe he'll just die.
Speaker 3: So, Ben, can I ask you a question? Sure, is
Speaker 3: Joe Biden a young man?
Speaker 1: Yeah? No, of course he is.
Speaker 2: Remember he can run circles around Jensaki, the former White
Speaker 2: House President tery who you just heard speaking there, right,
Speaker 2: It's hard to keep up with him.
Speaker 3: They said, Look, there are fantasies on the left. I'm
Speaker 3: reminded of, like like when Trump was president, you had
Speaker 3: Bob Maller investigating him. Do you remember who's satur Night
Speaker 3: Live had playing Bob Maller.
Speaker 1: Who was it?
Speaker 4: Robert de Niro?
Speaker 3: Oh, that's right, And they had to zero playing Muller.
Speaker 3: And there's one episode on SNL and I grew up
Speaker 3: watching SNL. I've literally watched SNL for more than forty years,
Speaker 3: going back to the nineteen seventies when I was a
Speaker 3: little kid. But they have de Niro playing Bob Muller
Speaker 3: and they have a point where they're they're asking him.
Speaker 3: They say, hey, hey, are you going to get Trump
Speaker 3: or you're getting get Trump. And his whole message was
Speaker 3: I got him, trust me, I got him. He's going down.
Speaker 3: And this is what is called left wing porn. This
Speaker 3: is their fantasy Trump going to jail. They hate him,
Speaker 3: and never mind rule of law, never mind if he's
Speaker 3: guilty of anything. This is just I hate my opponent
Speaker 3: and we must destroy him, and let's put him in jail.
Speaker 3: And and that is that abuse of power is one
Speaker 3: of the many reasons why I think we're going to
Speaker 3: see a great election in November, because people don't want
Speaker 3: power abuse. And by the way, to all the hypocritical
Speaker 3: leftists who say, oh, if Trump is in power, he's
Speaker 3: going to set up concentration camp. He's going to prosecute
Speaker 3: all the liberals. He didn't do that before. Did you
Speaker 3: see any concentration camps? He was president for four years.
Speaker 3: He didn't use this power War three.
Speaker 2: Don't forget that you shouldn't be trusted with the nuclear codes.
Speaker 2: And yet he started no wars.
Speaker 3: Wait, wait, who's the one who started I don't know
Speaker 3: about World War three, but who's the one who started
Speaker 3: the war in Ukraine? Who's the one that that withdrew
Speaker 3: from Afghanistan and caused a disaster. Who's the one that
Speaker 3: caused the horrific war in Israel?
Speaker 1: Yeah, that was that with Joe Biden. Joe Biden, Joe.
Speaker 3: Biden, yep, and and and so all of their talking
Speaker 3: points run into real trouble when they're confronted by facts
Speaker 3: and reality.
Speaker 2: Final question on this, Uh, how does the left figure
Speaker 2: out how to to deal with the political fallout if
Speaker 2: Donald Trump survives all of this? Because on the view today,
Speaker 2: I know you're a loyal watcher. Uh, the view, they
Speaker 2: said they need to send a point, and a point
Speaker 2: must be proven that Donald Trump go to jail so
Speaker 2: that no one's above the law.
Speaker 8: I'm sort of about whether or not he should be
Speaker 8: held in contempt and put in He's already been held
Speaker 8: in contempt, but put in jail for it. But I
Speaker 8: do think that seventy one percent of Americans have said
Speaker 8: that he should be put in jail if he is convicted.
Speaker 8: The other thing, I will say, we all saw many
Speaker 8: of us are old enough to have seen the oj case.
Speaker 8: I remember how Judge Edo lost complete control of the courtroom,
Speaker 8: and I think that had a lot to do with
Speaker 8: the win. You cannot let Donald Trump be a runaway
Speaker 8: train in that courtroom. No, it's not his courtroom, it's
Speaker 8: judge's courtroom. And so I think that make a point,
Speaker 8: to prove a point.
Speaker 1: Put him in a clink, why not, And listen to
Speaker 1: the audience. I mean, listen to the audience. Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: let's put him in the clink.
Speaker 4: Are they going?
Speaker 2: Who I guess, yeah, let's whoop be up there. She's
Speaker 2: excited about this idea.
Speaker 3: I mean, it really is. This is fantasy that this
Speaker 3: is they hate. And by the way, let's be clear.
Speaker 3: They don't just want to put Donald Trump in jail.
Speaker 3: They want to put you in jail. Ben They want
Speaker 3: to put me in jail. They want to put half
Speaker 3: of America, the deplorables, they want to put all of
Speaker 3: us in jail. That is their fantasy. These are people
Speaker 3: who believe. And let's let's be clear. Let me ask
Speaker 3: you a question. Let me ask you a question.
Speaker 4: Do you want to put Joe Biden in jail?
Speaker 1: No?
Speaker 4: Do you want to put Hillary Clinton in jail?
Speaker 1: No?
Speaker 4: Do you want to put Chuck Schumer in jail?
Speaker 1: No?
Speaker 2: I'd like to anybody in jail because they're a Democrat.
Speaker 2: I only want people to go to jail that have
Speaker 2: actually broken the wall.
Speaker 3: I'd like to get him the hell out of office.
Speaker 3: I'd like to get them out office. They're doing real damage.
Speaker 3: But there is a vindictiveness, there's a self righteousness on
Speaker 3: the left that they say, if I don't like you,
Speaker 3: I want to put you in jail. And by the way,
Speaker 3: you look at the fantasies where you have Democrats saying
Speaker 3: and for Trump will take away your Secret Service protection,
Speaker 3: so that way you just get murdered by jail gangs. Well,
Speaker 3: who isn't that great? Will kill you like that? Is deranged?
Speaker 2: Yeah, jen Zaki, maybe I'll die, maybe that, and maybe
Speaker 2: that'll happen. Maybe I'll die and then we'll be done
Speaker 2: with them. I also go back to it. We played
Speaker 2: a montage on the show Gosh, it was probably a
Speaker 2: year ago now, Senator, and it was a montage of
Speaker 2: the media saying that we needed to send all Trump
Speaker 2: supporters to camps to deprogram them.
Speaker 1: Do you remember that?
Speaker 2: And when we played it, it was like, this is real, folks,
Speaker 2: this is what they believe about you. They want to
Speaker 2: send you to it basically camps to deprogram you from
Speaker 2: being a conservative that supported Trump.
Speaker 3: You know, I'm reminded about a story that I tell
Speaker 3: in my latest book, Unwoke Ow to Defeat Culture Marxism
Speaker 3: in America, And the last chapter in the book concerns China,
Speaker 3: and I opened the chapter by talking about sitting down
Speaker 3: with the Chinese ambassador to the United States, and then
Speaker 3: this was a really creepy meeting. I don't regularly meet
Speaker 3: with Chinese government officials. I despise communists. The Chinese ambassador,
Speaker 3: who later became the Chinese f Or Minister, asked to
Speaker 3: meet with me, and I wrestled with what to do,
Speaker 3: and I decided, Okay, I'm going to take the meeting.
Speaker 8: Now.
Speaker 3: I'll tell you when I took the meeting, I did
Speaker 3: not take it in my office because, frankly, I didn't
Speaker 3: trust allowing him in my office. I didn't know if
Speaker 3: he'd bring in listening equipment. I just I don't trust
Speaker 3: the Chinese. Chinese people are great, I don't trust the
Speaker 3: Chinese government that are communists and their murderers and their
Speaker 3: liars and their abusive So instead I took the meeting
Speaker 3: in a room in a Senate building that was far
Speaker 3: away from my office, and I sat there and the
Speaker 3: Chinese ambassador. I think he was expecting me to be apologetic.
Speaker 3: He read all sorts of negative comments I'd made about China,
Speaker 3: and he was expecting me to apologize. And I said, well,
Speaker 3: the reason I said you're lying, murderous, torturing, evil bastards
Speaker 3: is because you're lying murderous, torturous, evil bastards. And I'll
Speaker 3: stop saying that. When you stop lying, you start stop murdering,
Speaker 3: you stop torturing, and you stop being evil. And he
Speaker 3: truly didn't know what to say. But the reason I
Speaker 3: draw that analogy is I called him out for genocide.
Speaker 3: Over one million weeks are in concentration camps in China
Speaker 3: right now, and I called him out on it, and
Speaker 3: he said, no, no, no, you are mistaken. Those are
Speaker 3: not concentration camps. You see, these people refused to acknowledge
Speaker 3: the legitimacy of the Chinese Communist government. So they're obviously
Speaker 3: mentally ill. So we have put them in facilities to
Speaker 3: give them treatment to help correct their mental illness. And
Speaker 3: I got to say, Ben, the creepiest thing is he's
Speaker 3: relaying this was the absolute calm with which he described this,
Speaker 3: It was, you know, there are fairly few moments in
Speaker 3: my time in public office that I felt like, really
Speaker 3: the presence of evil. And Hannah Ran wrote about the
Speaker 3: banality of evil, about about how Nazis they weren't all
Speaker 3: just comic book villains like you know the joker in Batman,
Speaker 3: that that many of them were ordinary people. They were
Speaker 3: people who were bakers or shoemakers, or plumbers or electricians,
Speaker 3: people who were regular people who became horrible mass murderers
Speaker 3: and torturers. And what was so eerie about it was
Speaker 3: the utter calm because of his political indoctrination in which
Speaker 3: he said, if you disagree with the government, you are
Speaker 3: obviously mentally ill, and we are going to put you
Speaker 3: in a camp to treat you to cure you of
Speaker 3: that illness. I gotta say that same approach is the
Speaker 3: approach of the leftists. And so what do they do.
Speaker 3: They accuse conservatives of wanting to put them in camps,
Speaker 3: which is an utter lie. There's no one on the
Speaker 3: conservative side because the that is not something you hear
Speaker 3: conservatives say, but it is something that left us talk about.
Speaker 1: Yeah, great point there.
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Speaker 2: about what's also happening at the border. The President of
Speaker 2: the United States of America has come out and it's
Speaker 2: pretty clear we now know what his reelection campaign slogan
Speaker 2: I guess for the onslaught of illegal immigrants coming into
Speaker 2: this country is going to be.
Speaker 1: It is.
Speaker 2: We need to start handing out amnesty somehow. That's going
Speaker 2: to fix the problems in this country, and it's something
Speaker 2: that we can all be proud of if we give amnesty.
Speaker 2: Here is the President of the United States of America,
Speaker 2: in his own words.
Speaker 1: I love him.
Speaker 9: When people say why dreamers, can you imagine a kid
Speaker 9: two years old, Sam, Mom, don't take it because real
Speaker 9: ground is against the law. Give me a break. These
Speaker 9: have been model citizens. Congress has to act, and the
Speaker 9: right thing to do is to keep pushing forward until
Speaker 9: we get it done. Get it done.
Speaker 2: So there's this famous line, get it done. So he
Speaker 2: is doubling down. Now not only we have a wide
Speaker 2: open borders, we have countless millions of illegal immigrants coming in.
Speaker 2: But he refuses to admit the carnage is taking place
Speaker 2: in the southern border. And now it's pushing for amnesty
Speaker 2: part one, which would be all of these, as he
Speaker 2: describes him, dreamers, and then the next part would be well,
Speaker 2: more illegal immigrants, and then part three would be even
Speaker 2: more illegal immigrants. This is what he's doing for this election.
Speaker 3: Well, listen, Biden's making clear that Joe Biden and the
Speaker 3: Democrats they stand with illegal immigrants. And given the choice
Speaker 3: between illegal immigrants and American citizens, they're with the illegals.
Speaker 3: Given the choice between criminals and law abiding citizens, there
Speaker 3: with criminals. And that is a consistent theme. It's why
Speaker 3: eleven million people across into this country illegally, because they
Speaker 3: look at those eleven million illegal immigrants and they say, hey,
Speaker 3: those are future Democrat voters. We stay in power if
Speaker 3: we let them in, and they turn a blind eye
Speaker 3: to the people who are suffering and dying. You know
Speaker 3: who Joe Biden didn't talk about this week? Who was
Speaker 3: that he didn't talk about Marvin Perez Lopez. Now, who
Speaker 3: is Marvin Perez Lopez. Well, he was arrested the last
Speaker 3: couple of days. He is an immigrant from Guatemala. He
Speaker 3: was arrested over the weekend for kidnapping a minor under
Speaker 3: the age of thirteen and sexual assault. That's courting the
Speaker 3: Palm Beach County Sheriff's Office. Marvin Perez Lopez was in
Speaker 3: the country illegally. Was arrested on May fourth. Perez Lopez
Speaker 3: reportedly left Guatemala in early January, crossed through Mexico, and
Speaker 3: what did he do. He turned himself into the border Patrol.
Speaker 3: But of course, Joe Biden, being a Democrat, he turned around,
Speaker 3: he let him go. Do you know when Perez Lopez
Speaker 3: was given a court date, I'm.
Speaker 2: Afraid that you're gonna say years from the moment they
Speaker 2: let him go.
Speaker 3: Twenty twenty seven, There you go, twenty twenty seven. He
Speaker 3: was released, he went to Florida, and then he turned
Speaker 3: around and he's now been charged with kidnapping a miner
Speaker 3: under the age of th thirteen and sexual assault. Now
Speaker 3: we're not going to say the miner's name, but we
Speaker 3: are going to point out, week after week after week,
Speaker 3: every single week, there's another violent crime committed by an
Speaker 3: illegal immigrant Joe Biden releases. And what is he is
Speaker 3: he talking about?
Speaker 9: That?
Speaker 3: Does he care about this child who was kidnapped and
Speaker 3: sexually assaulted? The answer has to be known.
Speaker 10: Now.
Speaker 3: Look, when I say that, Ben, some people might say, gosh,
Speaker 3: that's harsh. What do you mean he doesn't care about
Speaker 3: a child kidnapped and assaulted. If he cared, he would
Speaker 3: stop releasing illegal immigrants. You can't keep doing it when
Speaker 3: you see, Hey, when I do this, children get kidnapped
Speaker 3: and raped. Maybe I should stop doing this. That that's
Speaker 3: actually what someone who cared about the crime and wanted
Speaker 3: to prevent the next child from being kidnapped and raped
Speaker 3: would do. Joe Biden, And by the way, every single
Speaker 3: Democrat in Congress, without accept every single senator, every single
Speaker 3: House member, they don't care either. Why do I know
Speaker 3: they don't care, because if they cared they'd be willing
Speaker 3: to stand up to Biden and say enough is enough,
Speaker 3: stop releasing violent, criminal illegal aliens. And in the Senate,
Speaker 3: every single time I forced a vote, and I've done
Speaker 3: it over and over and over again, every Democrat, all
Speaker 3: of them vote in favor of releasing illegal immigrants, even
Speaker 3: if they're committing crimes against children in America.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I know, there's you know, the old saying, you know,
Speaker 2: see no evil here, no evil, right, and then you
Speaker 2: can insulate yourself. The Democrats, though, have heard enough to
Speaker 2: know just how bad it is the border, and now
Speaker 2: every state's a border state, and seeing how bad it
Speaker 2: is with what's happening, whether it's in New York City,
Speaker 2: whether it's in Denver, Colorado. I mean it's widespread, the
Speaker 2: chaos and the anarchy and the destruction and the abuse
Speaker 2: of children, the sexual abuse, the human trafficking, the drugs,
Speaker 2: the fetanol.
Speaker 1: Is there any of your.
Speaker 2: Colleagues that truly still don't know or is this just
Speaker 2: a if we don't talk about then we don't have
Speaker 2: to admit what we already know.
Speaker 3: Look, it's hypocrisy, I'll tell you tonight. I was in
Speaker 3: a classified briefing in the Senate. I was a classified
Speaker 3: briefing talking about all sorts of things, including the threats
Speaker 3: of terrorism in the United States, and there was a
Speaker 3: Democrat senator who at some point was sharing that, based
Speaker 3: on the briefings he'd received, there's an enormous risk of terrorism.
Speaker 3: He's deeply worried, and we do much more to prevent it.
Speaker 3: And I remember sitting there and thinking, Gosh, what you're
Speaker 3: saying sounds very reasonable. Why do you keep voting in
Speaker 3: favor of releasing eleven million legal immigrants, Like, at some point,
Speaker 3: you can't claim I'm worried about the threat of a
Speaker 3: terrorist attack when you have nearly two million gtaways, when
Speaker 3: you have a Ran calling for global jahad against America,
Speaker 3: when they have Hesbelon Hamas calling for global jihad, and
Speaker 3: the Biden administration letting them go. And he was What
Speaker 3: was interesting is sitting in this classified briefing, this Democrat
Speaker 3: senator sounded emphatic, he sounded believable. I'm like, Wow, he's
Speaker 3: really worried about a terrorist attack. But you know what,
Speaker 3: just a couple of weeks ago, we had a vote
Speaker 3: on the impeachment of Alejandro Majorcis, who has let eleven
Speaker 3: million illeg immigrants grit Go, and this Democrat, along with
Speaker 3: every single other Democrat, voted to throw the case out
Speaker 3: to hear no evidence. They didn't care about the risk
Speaker 3: of terrorism. That's the simple reality.
Speaker 2: One other thing, and you talk about hypocrisy, which does
Speaker 2: make me laugh. The Democratic Convention is going to be
Speaker 2: held in Chicago, and we're now hearing that ahead of
Speaker 2: the Democratic Convention, they are going to clear out the
Speaker 2: area of illegal immigrants. Take a listen to this from
Speaker 2: local NBC News in Chicago.
Speaker 11: Strong reaction tonight from residents after learning Mayor Brandon Johnson
Speaker 11: is considering plans to open a new temporary migrant shelter
Speaker 11: in their South Side neighborhood, and he.
Speaker 1: Don't know where to put him. Why would you put
Speaker 1: him in our neighborhood? Well, why don't we go by
Speaker 1: your house?
Speaker 2: All of that money that he's given them, we've been
Speaker 2: begging for yous.
Speaker 10: We've lived our whole life. We have a lot of
Speaker 10: bad things that happen here already. We do not need this,
Speaker 10: We just do not.
Speaker 11: Located just blocks away from Guaranteed Right Field, the proposed
Speaker 11: building near Canal and Pershing is in the city's eleventh ward.
Speaker 1: Look it works, Yeah, it's hit in the back. Why
Speaker 1: is that a good location? We have no amenities here
Speaker 1: as it is.
Speaker 11: Alder Woman Nicole issued this letter to constituents yesterday, saying
Speaker 11: she was notified earlier this week and met with the
Speaker 11: mayor on Thursday. She says the city wants to move
Speaker 11: migrants staying at the Standard Club near the Dirts and
Speaker 11: Federal Building to her ward before the Democratic National Convention.
Speaker 10: This is just insane. It doesn't make sense. Keep them downtown,
Speaker 10: keep them I don't know, I mean, this is not
Speaker 10: our problem.
Speaker 11: The alder Woman made it clear she is against the
Speaker 11: proposed plan, citing safety and location concerns and lack of
Speaker 11: justification for the move. She says, quote, as our city
Speaker 11: grapples with this unprecedented influx of migrants, it is crucial
Speaker 11: that we handle the migrant crisis safely, responsibly, and with
Speaker 11: full transparency. The well being of our communities must be
Speaker 11: the top priority.
Speaker 9: All we want to do is hal's our veterans and
Speaker 9: they're getting kicked at aside for the people who didn't do.
Speaker 1: Anything for this country. Yet those Mountain women honorably served,
Speaker 1: they should be coming first.
Speaker 2: I love the last guy there talking about our veterans.
Speaker 2: But you go back to why they're doing this center
Speaker 2: read behind the lines here. This is because the residents
Speaker 2: are downtown and the area where the DNC is going
Speaker 2: to be.
Speaker 1: They're saying, Hey, we got to clean this up.
Speaker 2: It's got to be nice and friendly and look good
Speaker 2: for the Democratic National Convention. We got to move them
Speaker 2: out of this area, all right, throw them out there
Speaker 2: in this other part of the city.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I know, that's exactly, And I thought they were
Speaker 3: most revealing comment and that montage you played was the
Speaker 3: Alderman saying, this is not our problem. Now she's a Democrat.
Speaker 3: All of those elected officials are Democrats. They keep voting
Speaker 3: for Democrats. They vote for a wild left wing Democrat mayor,
Speaker 3: they vote for a wild left wing Democrat governor, they
Speaker 3: vote for a wild left wing Democrat senator, they vote
Speaker 3: for a wild left wing Democrat president. Every one of
Speaker 3: those supports an invasion of this country of illegal immigrants.
Speaker 3: And they say, well, this is not our problem. Send
Speaker 3: them to Texas, send them to Florida, send them to
Speaker 3: anywhere other than our state. But we want them to
Speaker 3: keep coming in because you know what, We want them
Speaker 3: to show up in Texas and Florida and we want
Speaker 3: them to vote Democrats so we can be in power.
Speaker 3: But we don't actually want to deal with this invasion.
Speaker 3: The hypocrisy is massive and if you want to change this,
Speaker 3: we need to have some real accountability. If they want
Speaker 3: open borders, we ought to send every single one of
Speaker 3: them to these blue jurisdictions until they realize eleven million people,
Speaker 3: this is not right. They're doing it to Texas, they're
Speaker 3: doing it to Florida, and by the way, they're doing
Speaker 3: it to every other state in the Union. But they're
Speaker 3: trying to be utter hypocrites and say, don't do it
Speaker 3: to our own community.
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