1 00:00:00,760 --> 00:00:03,600 Speaker 1: You are listening to the Dan Patrick Show on Fox 2 00:00:03,680 --> 00:00:08,160 Speaker 1: Sports Radio. Daniel Jeremiah, I don't think they're checking hand 3 00:00:08,240 --> 00:00:11,600 Speaker 1: size for the analyst here, the NFL network analyst and 4 00:00:11,880 --> 00:00:15,560 Speaker 1: former NFL scouts. Daniel, have you had your hands measured 5 00:00:15,760 --> 00:00:20,160 Speaker 1: at the combine? I've had my hand measured when I 6 00:00:20,239 --> 00:00:23,279 Speaker 1: was scouting because we would do scouting clinics for young 7 00:00:23,360 --> 00:00:25,360 Speaker 1: scouts at training camp. So when I was with the 8 00:00:25,360 --> 00:00:29,080 Speaker 1: Baltimore Ravens, they had me measure my hand in front 9 00:00:29,080 --> 00:00:31,360 Speaker 1: of the groups. They could teach people how to measure 10 00:00:31,400 --> 00:00:33,880 Speaker 1: your hands. And I don't know if I've gotten older 11 00:00:33,960 --> 00:00:35,680 Speaker 1: or just imagined it, but I want to say I 12 00:00:35,800 --> 00:00:39,120 Speaker 1: was Oh, he was just ready to reveal, and we 13 00:00:39,240 --> 00:00:43,479 Speaker 1: just lost content. We saw three of the fingers. Yes, yes, yeah, 14 00:00:43,520 --> 00:00:47,839 Speaker 1: I'm gonna guess over nine and a half for Daniel Jeremiah. There, 15 00:00:48,040 --> 00:00:50,479 Speaker 1: I'm gonna go by the way before we'll try to 16 00:00:50,479 --> 00:00:53,720 Speaker 1: get Daniel back with us. I just saw where Pete 17 00:00:53,760 --> 00:00:56,720 Speaker 1: Carroll said that the Seahawks have no intention of training 18 00:00:56,800 --> 00:01:01,360 Speaker 1: Russell Wilson. That doesn't mean anything. If Pete Carroll said 19 00:01:01,720 --> 00:01:06,319 Speaker 1: he's untouchable, there's no way we're trading him. Okay, now, yeah, 20 00:01:06,680 --> 00:01:09,440 Speaker 1: you say no intention. You know what happens. It's when 21 00:01:09,800 --> 00:01:12,640 Speaker 1: the you know, the Giants send you three first round 22 00:01:12,640 --> 00:01:15,039 Speaker 1: picks or something. You go, look, we had no intention 23 00:01:15,080 --> 00:01:18,199 Speaker 1: of trading Russ, but we got three first round picks. 24 00:01:18,480 --> 00:01:22,240 Speaker 1: We had to trade him. Here doesn't mean anything. Let's 25 00:01:22,280 --> 00:01:24,560 Speaker 1: bring back Daniel. So, Daniel, what was your hand size 26 00:01:24,600 --> 00:01:27,480 Speaker 1: when you measured? Yeah? It was nine, Dan, So it 27 00:01:27,600 --> 00:01:30,959 Speaker 1: was right at nine the threshold that was acceptable. You know, 28 00:01:31,840 --> 00:01:33,800 Speaker 1: I wouldn't know it watching me throw the football, but 29 00:01:34,000 --> 00:01:36,400 Speaker 1: my hands were sick enough. Man, this was a big 30 00:01:36,440 --> 00:01:39,880 Speaker 1: deal with Kenny Pickett's hand size, and I don't know 31 00:01:40,040 --> 00:01:42,480 Speaker 1: how much it should be. So as a former scout, 32 00:01:42,959 --> 00:01:45,880 Speaker 1: if you were looking at Kenny Pickett, and let's say 33 00:01:45,880 --> 00:01:48,760 Speaker 1: you're the Steelers, what would what would this do for 34 00:01:48,840 --> 00:01:52,160 Speaker 1: your opinion of Kenny Pickett and where you were drafting 35 00:01:52,200 --> 00:01:55,280 Speaker 1: based off his hand size. Well, first of all, you've 36 00:01:55,600 --> 00:01:58,960 Speaker 1: you've seen him throw azilion passes in your exact same environment, 37 00:01:59,120 --> 00:02:02,120 Speaker 1: so that that should help you right there. When I 38 00:02:02,160 --> 00:02:04,640 Speaker 1: see a measurement like that, what I think? And I 39 00:02:04,720 --> 00:02:07,480 Speaker 1: knew into the fall even that he had small hands, 40 00:02:07,520 --> 00:02:09,840 Speaker 1: So when you watch him, you have that in mind. 41 00:02:09,840 --> 00:02:11,720 Speaker 1: And I want to see is there evidence of it 42 00:02:11,800 --> 00:02:14,680 Speaker 1: affecting him as a thrower, And I did not see 43 00:02:14,680 --> 00:02:16,800 Speaker 1: any evidence of that impact of him as a thrower 44 00:02:16,800 --> 00:02:19,720 Speaker 1: at the college level. But then you look at the 45 00:02:19,760 --> 00:02:22,200 Speaker 1: next thing and say, okay, well what about fumbles. Well 46 00:02:22,200 --> 00:02:24,839 Speaker 1: he had twenty six fumbles in forty nine games, which 47 00:02:24,880 --> 00:02:27,880 Speaker 1: is a tremendous amount of fumbles. So that's where the 48 00:02:27,919 --> 00:02:29,880 Speaker 1: issue is. So then you go back through and with 49 00:02:30,000 --> 00:02:32,799 Speaker 1: the video capabilities you have, now I can watch one 50 00:02:32,840 --> 00:02:36,000 Speaker 1: fumble after another, and he's got he's really got a 51 00:02:36,040 --> 00:02:38,800 Speaker 1: bad habit of separating his hands when he moves around 52 00:02:38,800 --> 00:02:41,520 Speaker 1: in the pocket. So I think you can correct a 53 00:02:41,520 --> 00:02:43,840 Speaker 1: lot of those issues just by keeping his offhand on 54 00:02:43,880 --> 00:02:46,600 Speaker 1: the ball when he's climbing and moving around inside the pocket. 55 00:02:46,680 --> 00:02:49,160 Speaker 1: So those are reasons why I can I can get 56 00:02:49,200 --> 00:02:51,400 Speaker 1: past it. I would have felt a lot better if 57 00:02:51,480 --> 00:02:53,720 Speaker 1: during the rainy day down there at the Senior Bowl, 58 00:02:53,720 --> 00:02:55,320 Speaker 1: if he had a good practice and didn't have a 59 00:02:55,320 --> 00:02:58,480 Speaker 1: bad one. But that was that was not a good 60 00:02:58,520 --> 00:03:00,359 Speaker 1: day for him down there at the Senior Bowl, that wet, 61 00:03:00,440 --> 00:03:04,200 Speaker 1: rainy day. But on the whole, I think most teams 62 00:03:04,200 --> 00:03:06,200 Speaker 1: are going to be okay, all right, we have a 63 00:03:06,280 --> 00:03:10,840 Speaker 1: bet here, Paulie says that a quarterback will be taken 64 00:03:10,880 --> 00:03:13,600 Speaker 1: in the first thirteen picks. The over under was thirteen 65 00:03:13,639 --> 00:03:16,800 Speaker 1: and a half. Where would you bet today, will we 66 00:03:16,840 --> 00:03:22,040 Speaker 1: have a quarterback selected in the first thirteen picks? I 67 00:03:22,120 --> 00:03:25,760 Speaker 1: think I would. I would lean towards no And but 68 00:03:26,080 --> 00:03:28,440 Speaker 1: I don't feel great about that. I would lean towards Noah, 69 00:03:28,560 --> 00:03:31,000 Speaker 1: partly because of Ron Rivera coming out and it's kind 70 00:03:31,000 --> 00:03:33,520 Speaker 1: of showing his cards the other day and saying we 71 00:03:33,680 --> 00:03:36,320 Speaker 1: need a veteran. So if you scratch them off the list, 72 00:03:37,160 --> 00:03:39,600 Speaker 1: that takes away one of those teams, the Carolina Panthers. 73 00:03:40,280 --> 00:03:42,640 Speaker 1: We'll see what they do in the veteran market. They 74 00:03:42,680 --> 00:03:45,800 Speaker 1: seem like they're pretty interested in trying to be aggressive 75 00:03:45,880 --> 00:03:48,880 Speaker 1: during this veteran period. So I know one thing, whatever, 76 00:03:48,960 --> 00:03:50,720 Speaker 1: whatever the bed is, I think you're probably going to 77 00:03:50,760 --> 00:03:53,600 Speaker 1: know after free agency who's winning it. What do you 78 00:03:53,640 --> 00:03:57,119 Speaker 1: think is going to happen in free agency? I don't 79 00:03:57,160 --> 00:03:59,960 Speaker 1: think the big guys are moving. I think Aaron Rodd 80 00:04:00,000 --> 00:04:02,360 Speaker 1: as a resign. I don't think Russell Wilson is going anywhere. 81 00:04:02,800 --> 00:04:04,800 Speaker 1: I think this Kyler Murray thing will probably give us 82 00:04:04,880 --> 00:04:07,760 Speaker 1: some drama over the next month, but they're not trading him. 83 00:04:07,800 --> 00:04:10,880 Speaker 1: He's not going anywhere. So then then you start looking 84 00:04:10,920 --> 00:04:14,520 Speaker 1: at you know, Deshaun Watson in that whole situation and 85 00:04:15,320 --> 00:04:17,680 Speaker 1: waiting for the legal process to you know, the kind 86 00:04:17,680 --> 00:04:19,719 Speaker 1: of clear up to see who's going to be you know, 87 00:04:19,720 --> 00:04:21,640 Speaker 1: who's going to be aggressive in that in that way, 88 00:04:21,760 --> 00:04:25,400 Speaker 1: you know, it's it's donetlike anything we've seen with his situation. 89 00:04:25,440 --> 00:04:27,520 Speaker 1: I mean a guy I think he's twenty six years old, 90 00:04:27,960 --> 00:04:30,440 Speaker 1: Um Dan, he's in the you know, he's absolutely in 91 00:04:30,480 --> 00:04:32,120 Speaker 1: the prime of his career, and as a player, he's 92 00:04:32,440 --> 00:04:34,760 Speaker 1: he's a top five player at the most important position. 93 00:04:34,839 --> 00:04:38,760 Speaker 1: So that's a different scenario than I've ever encountered. Why 94 00:04:38,760 --> 00:04:41,840 Speaker 1: don't we measure the hand size of wide receivers or 95 00:04:42,400 --> 00:04:44,480 Speaker 1: or make a big deal? I know they do measure, 96 00:04:44,520 --> 00:04:45,960 Speaker 1: but why don't we make a big deal about the 97 00:04:45,960 --> 00:04:50,840 Speaker 1: guys who actually catch the ball? Yeah, no, it's um 98 00:04:51,000 --> 00:04:53,599 Speaker 1: it's interesting, absolutely if you do. We do measure it 99 00:04:53,600 --> 00:04:55,440 Speaker 1: and they get to discuss some in the in the room. 100 00:04:55,480 --> 00:04:58,640 Speaker 1: But I think I've seen some guys with small hands 101 00:04:58,640 --> 00:05:00,280 Speaker 1: as some of the best hand in the NFL, so 102 00:05:00,400 --> 00:05:02,800 Speaker 1: it hasn't been as much of an issue there. I 103 00:05:02,800 --> 00:05:06,599 Speaker 1: think there has been some issues with more fringey quarterbacks, 104 00:05:06,600 --> 00:05:08,960 Speaker 1: but quarterbacks of smaller hands having more of an issue 105 00:05:09,000 --> 00:05:11,400 Speaker 1: of controlling the football than guys with smaller hands catching 106 00:05:11,440 --> 00:05:15,320 Speaker 1: the football. But I mean, DeAndre Hopkins has I think 107 00:05:15,320 --> 00:05:17,280 Speaker 1: he might have eleven inch hands or something. He's got 108 00:05:17,320 --> 00:05:19,000 Speaker 1: some of the biggest hands you've ever seen. He's probably 109 00:05:19,000 --> 00:05:21,360 Speaker 1: got the best hands in the NFL. So yeah, I 110 00:05:21,400 --> 00:05:24,640 Speaker 1: think there's a case to be made. Maybe maybe maybe 111 00:05:24,680 --> 00:05:26,440 Speaker 1: we should talk about it more with whiteouts than we 112 00:05:26,480 --> 00:05:29,479 Speaker 1: do with quarterbacks. But there has been evidence of quarterbacks 113 00:05:29,520 --> 00:05:32,200 Speaker 1: of small hands having issues controlling that bigger NFL ball. 114 00:05:32,360 --> 00:05:34,360 Speaker 1: I just want to know how strong your hands are. 115 00:05:35,440 --> 00:05:37,920 Speaker 1: I mean I have grip strength, yeah, And that's with 116 00:05:38,000 --> 00:05:41,400 Speaker 1: wide receivers. It's like Jerry Rice and Chris Carter. You know, 117 00:05:41,440 --> 00:05:43,920 Speaker 1: they didn't know Larry Fitzgerald didn't have good forty yard 118 00:05:43,960 --> 00:05:47,359 Speaker 1: dash times, but they had great hands, strong hands that 119 00:05:47,400 --> 00:05:49,040 Speaker 1: when it caught it, you weren't going to knock it out. 120 00:05:49,040 --> 00:05:51,400 Speaker 1: And you know, Cooper Cup like when we talk about 121 00:05:51,400 --> 00:05:55,040 Speaker 1: this forty yard dash thing, and I always tell my audience, 122 00:05:55,160 --> 00:05:57,680 Speaker 1: you got to go back, you know, decades ago when 123 00:05:57,680 --> 00:06:00,640 Speaker 1: Paul Brown was looking for how fast you ran down 124 00:06:00,960 --> 00:06:04,719 Speaker 1: on a punt return. Forty yard dash. We don't use 125 00:06:04,760 --> 00:06:07,160 Speaker 1: the forty yard dash in a game. It's very rare 126 00:06:07,200 --> 00:06:10,080 Speaker 1: when you're running forty yards it's And that's why these 127 00:06:10,400 --> 00:06:14,080 Speaker 1: cone drills, although I can't sit there and watch them, 128 00:06:14,200 --> 00:06:16,120 Speaker 1: they're more important to me, I would think, is his 129 00:06:16,200 --> 00:06:18,840 Speaker 1: scout and you would know this obviously better than me. 130 00:06:19,360 --> 00:06:21,760 Speaker 1: That's going to give me a better indication of can 131 00:06:21,800 --> 00:06:24,599 Speaker 1: you run a route? Do you do you have sharp cuts? 132 00:06:24,640 --> 00:06:26,560 Speaker 1: Can you get in and out of these routes? How 133 00:06:26,640 --> 00:06:29,360 Speaker 1: quick are you in the first three to five yards 134 00:06:29,400 --> 00:06:32,920 Speaker 1: seven yards? And that's where Cooper Cup was really good 135 00:06:32,920 --> 00:06:36,320 Speaker 1: at the combine, whereas forty yard dash was in the 136 00:06:37,080 --> 00:06:41,360 Speaker 1: lower quarter of all of those guys who ran that year. Yeah, 137 00:06:41,480 --> 00:06:44,880 Speaker 1: and that's a great point. With his three cone drills specifically, 138 00:06:44,920 --> 00:06:46,440 Speaker 1: I think it was the best of any receiver in 139 00:06:46,440 --> 00:06:48,960 Speaker 1: the draft that year, showing you that ability to be 140 00:06:49,120 --> 00:06:52,760 Speaker 1: full speed and change direction. So you have a combination 141 00:06:52,760 --> 00:06:55,360 Speaker 1: of things now, Dan, you have those shuttle drills, which 142 00:06:55,360 --> 00:06:57,120 Speaker 1: you show you some of the change of direction stuff. 143 00:06:57,480 --> 00:07:00,400 Speaker 1: You have the GPS numbers for actual game speed that 144 00:07:00,760 --> 00:07:03,039 Speaker 1: most of these teams can access. So you can see 145 00:07:03,040 --> 00:07:04,800 Speaker 1: how fast he's in the game. Like a great example 146 00:07:04,839 --> 00:07:07,680 Speaker 1: Traylan Burke's yesterday. I think we had him four or 147 00:07:07,680 --> 00:07:11,040 Speaker 1: five five from from Arkansas. Well, he's faster than He's 148 00:07:11,080 --> 00:07:13,200 Speaker 1: faster than the secondary Alabama because I saw it with 149 00:07:13,200 --> 00:07:15,240 Speaker 1: my own eyes. They couldn't catch him when he got 150 00:07:15,240 --> 00:07:17,400 Speaker 1: out there in the open fields. But as such a 151 00:07:17,480 --> 00:07:19,840 Speaker 1: big guy, he's not gonna he's not gonna blow you 152 00:07:19,880 --> 00:07:22,160 Speaker 1: away right off the line. But he's one of those 153 00:07:22,160 --> 00:07:25,200 Speaker 1: build speed players. So I think you got to put 154 00:07:25,240 --> 00:07:28,800 Speaker 1: all that stuff into the proper context. One thing. One 155 00:07:28,800 --> 00:07:30,640 Speaker 1: thing it can do is it can alert you to 156 00:07:30,680 --> 00:07:33,080 Speaker 1: the fact of maybe a guy's had a body change 157 00:07:33,120 --> 00:07:35,360 Speaker 1: and so he's running faster, you know, in the forty 158 00:07:35,400 --> 00:07:37,960 Speaker 1: than maybe you saw him on on tape. Maybe he's 159 00:07:38,080 --> 00:07:39,800 Speaker 1: come back from an injury that you didn't know that 160 00:07:39,840 --> 00:07:41,960 Speaker 1: he had, So it can kind of it can kind 161 00:07:41,960 --> 00:07:44,040 Speaker 1: of alert you to some things. If a guy wants 162 00:07:44,640 --> 00:07:47,720 Speaker 1: faster or slower than you anticipate. Um, I think it 163 00:07:47,720 --> 00:07:49,640 Speaker 1: can lead you to maybe some some good questions. But 164 00:07:49,680 --> 00:07:52,520 Speaker 1: a guy like Cooper Cup it's a great lesson for everybody, 165 00:07:52,680 --> 00:07:54,880 Speaker 1: which is no know he runs away from people on 166 00:07:54,920 --> 00:07:57,400 Speaker 1: tape his shuttle drills are off the charts. Let's not 167 00:07:57,440 --> 00:08:01,200 Speaker 1: overthink this thing. He's Daniel Jeremiah, Follow him on Twitter 168 00:08:01,400 --> 00:08:04,320 Speaker 1: and move the sticks. NFL Networks live coverage. So the 169 00:08:04,360 --> 00:08:08,320 Speaker 1: combine on field workouts continues today at four Eastern running backs, 170 00:08:08,320 --> 00:08:11,520 Speaker 1: offensive line, special teams. Where is the drama in this 171 00:08:11,600 --> 00:08:16,080 Speaker 1: year's draft? I think it's what what order these edge 172 00:08:16,120 --> 00:08:17,960 Speaker 1: rushers come off the board? Dan, I think we're going 173 00:08:18,000 --> 00:08:20,240 Speaker 1: to see a ton of them. We might see seven 174 00:08:20,320 --> 00:08:21,720 Speaker 1: or eight of them go in the first round. I 175 00:08:21,720 --> 00:08:23,640 Speaker 1: wouldn't be shocked if we saw a handful of them 176 00:08:23,640 --> 00:08:26,440 Speaker 1: go in the top ten picks. So to me, it's 177 00:08:26,480 --> 00:08:28,120 Speaker 1: it's kind of how they're going to stack up. We'll 178 00:08:28,120 --> 00:08:31,480 Speaker 1: see them work out. Gosh, tomorrow, we'll get a chance 179 00:08:31,480 --> 00:08:33,360 Speaker 1: to see those guys. It's as good as an edge 180 00:08:33,400 --> 00:08:36,559 Speaker 1: rusher draft as I can remember, not just in kind 181 00:08:36,600 --> 00:08:39,160 Speaker 1: of having some some real top end guys, but just 182 00:08:39,240 --> 00:08:41,680 Speaker 1: a sheer number of them. So when you look around 183 00:08:41,720 --> 00:08:43,280 Speaker 1: the league and you look at you know, look at 184 00:08:43,280 --> 00:08:44,679 Speaker 1: the team that just won the Super Bowl, and you 185 00:08:44,679 --> 00:08:47,360 Speaker 1: look at the teams that are consistently good every year. 186 00:08:47,480 --> 00:08:50,640 Speaker 1: They've got great quarterbacks and they've got a great pass rush. 187 00:08:50,679 --> 00:08:53,120 Speaker 1: So while the quarterback group might be down a little bit, 188 00:08:53,760 --> 00:08:55,439 Speaker 1: I think this is as good a pass rush group 189 00:08:55,480 --> 00:08:57,520 Speaker 1: as we've had in a long time. So that, to 190 00:08:57,520 --> 00:08:59,600 Speaker 1: me is the exciting part to see how these guys 191 00:08:59,679 --> 00:09:02,440 Speaker 1: kind of work themselves out. But I also wonder, with 192 00:09:02,520 --> 00:09:05,800 Speaker 1: the success of Aaron Donald, are we looking for the 193 00:09:05,840 --> 00:09:08,360 Speaker 1: next Aaron Donald. It feels like we got a lot 194 00:09:08,400 --> 00:09:13,800 Speaker 1: of edge rushers. There's only one Aaron Donald. Yeah, And 195 00:09:13,880 --> 00:09:15,719 Speaker 1: that's the problem is that you don't know. You get 196 00:09:15,720 --> 00:09:18,520 Speaker 1: an Aaron Donald once every twenty years. You can keep 197 00:09:18,600 --> 00:09:20,319 Speaker 1: you can keep looking for him, but you know, I 198 00:09:20,320 --> 00:09:22,040 Speaker 1: don't know if you're if you're ever going to find 199 00:09:22,120 --> 00:09:24,640 Speaker 1: one quite like that. You know, Chris Jones and we've 200 00:09:24,640 --> 00:09:27,640 Speaker 1: got some other good ones that have had big time impacts. 201 00:09:28,080 --> 00:09:30,920 Speaker 1: We've got a solid group of defensive tackles in this 202 00:09:31,720 --> 00:09:34,080 Speaker 1: in this draft. What we do have, though Dani's we've 203 00:09:34,080 --> 00:09:36,680 Speaker 1: got guys that can that can be versatile and you 204 00:09:36,720 --> 00:09:38,880 Speaker 1: can let them rush inside. I think let's go back 205 00:09:38,880 --> 00:09:41,520 Speaker 1: in the time machine to that Super Bowl that the 206 00:09:41,520 --> 00:09:44,160 Speaker 1: Giants won against the Patriots, where you saw Justin Tuck, 207 00:09:44,240 --> 00:09:47,120 Speaker 1: who is a big defensive end who went inside and 208 00:09:47,160 --> 00:09:50,720 Speaker 1: just destroyed those guards. We've got guys like Travon Walker, 209 00:09:51,200 --> 00:09:53,240 Speaker 1: who's going to be two hundred and seventy five pounds 210 00:09:53,240 --> 00:09:55,800 Speaker 1: from Georgia, who can he can fly inside there and 211 00:09:55,800 --> 00:09:58,320 Speaker 1: do things like that. Jermaine Johnson from Florida State can 212 00:09:58,360 --> 00:10:00,319 Speaker 1: do that as well. I think a lot of teams 213 00:10:00,320 --> 00:10:02,960 Speaker 1: called out their NASCAR package. Do you put four defensive 214 00:10:03,040 --> 00:10:05,240 Speaker 1: ends out there and let two of those guys rush 215 00:10:05,320 --> 00:10:07,679 Speaker 1: inside and beat up on these unathletic guards. I think 216 00:10:07,720 --> 00:10:09,400 Speaker 1: that's what this draft has a chance to give you. 217 00:10:10,200 --> 00:10:12,920 Speaker 1: If you're Kenny Pickett, do you walk around Indianapolis with 218 00:10:12,960 --> 00:10:18,680 Speaker 1: your hands in your pocket? Or um? I don't know 219 00:10:18,760 --> 00:10:22,160 Speaker 1: what I found myself, and I've told you I don't 220 00:10:22,160 --> 00:10:24,719 Speaker 1: even I don't see it as a major deal. I'm 221 00:10:24,720 --> 00:10:27,080 Speaker 1: okay with his hand side, but like even on the 222 00:10:27,120 --> 00:10:29,240 Speaker 1: coverage last night, when we would show him on the 223 00:10:29,320 --> 00:10:32,920 Speaker 1: screen and if there's that, you know that lower third 224 00:10:32,920 --> 00:10:34,840 Speaker 1: graphic would be covering up his hands and I'd be 225 00:10:34,840 --> 00:10:36,360 Speaker 1: trying to look around it like I cannot get to 226 00:10:36,360 --> 00:10:40,840 Speaker 1: see his hands, look like, oh, he got the meme 227 00:10:41,040 --> 00:10:45,320 Speaker 1: treatment yesterday though of oh good Dan my phone. I'd 228 00:10:45,360 --> 00:10:47,040 Speaker 1: get a lot of text in us just at a 229 00:10:47,040 --> 00:10:49,160 Speaker 1: lot of a lot of pictures, a lot of pictures. 230 00:10:50,000 --> 00:10:52,199 Speaker 1: I'm going to make you the GM of the Colts. 231 00:10:53,120 --> 00:10:57,719 Speaker 1: What do you do with Carson Wentz oh Man? Um, 232 00:10:59,720 --> 00:11:03,240 Speaker 1: I think I'm trying to trade him. Um. They've made 233 00:11:03,240 --> 00:11:05,280 Speaker 1: it so that I don't believe in his contract he 234 00:11:05,280 --> 00:11:07,959 Speaker 1: has any offsets at all. So if you cut him 235 00:11:08,080 --> 00:11:09,840 Speaker 1: and he signs somewhere else, you're not going to get 236 00:11:09,880 --> 00:11:13,160 Speaker 1: any relief or any relief I should say, from that contract, 237 00:11:13,200 --> 00:11:14,600 Speaker 1: which is good for him. He's going to be able 238 00:11:14,640 --> 00:11:16,920 Speaker 1: to double dip if he does get does get cut. 239 00:11:17,320 --> 00:11:19,679 Speaker 1: I just think when when the owner of the organization 240 00:11:19,720 --> 00:11:22,400 Speaker 1: comes out and basically states they don't have much confidence 241 00:11:22,400 --> 00:11:24,960 Speaker 1: and they need to need to get better. Um, I 242 00:11:25,000 --> 00:11:27,280 Speaker 1: don't know how that's how you run that back. So 243 00:11:27,720 --> 00:11:29,600 Speaker 1: the challenge is going to be who the heck is there? 244 00:11:30,120 --> 00:11:33,160 Speaker 1: Who the heck is their quarterback? Um? You know that 245 00:11:33,160 --> 00:11:34,720 Speaker 1: that that is going to be the challenge for them 246 00:11:34,720 --> 00:11:37,120 Speaker 1: trying to figure out who that is. I think it's 247 00:11:37,160 --> 00:11:40,000 Speaker 1: a It's one of the easier quarterback positions to play 248 00:11:40,000 --> 00:11:41,800 Speaker 1: in the league right now, with their offensive line and 249 00:11:41,840 --> 00:11:44,760 Speaker 1: run game and uh in a pretty good defense. I 250 00:11:44,800 --> 00:11:46,280 Speaker 1: don't think as much as going to be asked if 251 00:11:46,280 --> 00:11:49,880 Speaker 1: that quarterback so you know, I could see, yeah, I 252 00:11:49,960 --> 00:11:51,599 Speaker 1: would be shocked at all if that was like a 253 00:11:51,920 --> 00:11:54,400 Speaker 1: you know, you bring in a Mariota or a True 254 00:11:54,400 --> 00:11:56,439 Speaker 1: Bisky or somebody like that on a on a pretty 255 00:11:56,440 --> 00:11:58,280 Speaker 1: friendly deal and and just see if they can put 256 00:11:58,280 --> 00:12:01,360 Speaker 1: that offense on autopilot. How about you're the GM of 257 00:12:01,360 --> 00:12:05,520 Speaker 1: the Eagles, what are you doing that quarterback? I'm gonna 258 00:12:05,559 --> 00:12:07,800 Speaker 1: rune back with Jalen Hurts. I mean, I'm gonna call. 259 00:12:07,880 --> 00:12:10,280 Speaker 1: I'm gonna call the Seahawks and see if there's any 260 00:12:10,360 --> 00:12:13,640 Speaker 1: way it all they'll change their mind pull something off there. 261 00:12:13,679 --> 00:12:15,360 Speaker 1: I don't think they're gonna answer. I don't think they're 262 00:12:15,360 --> 00:12:18,320 Speaker 1: gonna do anything. But after you do your due diligence 263 00:12:18,360 --> 00:12:20,640 Speaker 1: on that, you know, I guess you call on Aaron Rodgers. 264 00:12:20,640 --> 00:12:22,839 Speaker 1: I don't think that's happening either. But I think when 265 00:12:22,840 --> 00:12:25,880 Speaker 1: you stack up Jalen with the quarterbacks in this draft class, 266 00:12:25,920 --> 00:12:28,360 Speaker 1: I think I would use those three picks. I'm gonna 267 00:12:28,360 --> 00:12:30,360 Speaker 1: try and add some some more players. You know you 268 00:12:30,440 --> 00:12:34,280 Speaker 1: were Seattle though, Daniel, and I got Jalen Hurts and 269 00:12:34,400 --> 00:12:37,600 Speaker 1: I got three first round draft picks. Seattle would be 270 00:12:37,640 --> 00:12:41,160 Speaker 1: crazy not to take that. I would, I would be 271 00:12:41,200 --> 00:12:43,719 Speaker 1: making that phone call. But I mean, I'm just kind 272 00:12:43,720 --> 00:12:45,440 Speaker 1: of taking Pete at his word the other day saying 273 00:12:45,440 --> 00:12:48,679 Speaker 1: that that's not happening. No, he said they have no intention. Daniel, 274 00:12:48,720 --> 00:12:51,040 Speaker 1: you know what that means. We had no intention, but 275 00:12:51,080 --> 00:12:53,360 Speaker 1: then we were blown away by this trade. We couldn't 276 00:12:53,400 --> 00:12:57,120 Speaker 1: turn it down. So well, we can make that. I've 277 00:12:57,120 --> 00:12:59,120 Speaker 1: been out. We can make that trade right now. I 278 00:12:59,160 --> 00:13:00,880 Speaker 1: think I would. I think I would do that if 279 00:13:00,880 --> 00:13:02,800 Speaker 1: I would the philadelph Eagles. You said you would do it, 280 00:13:02,840 --> 00:13:05,360 Speaker 1: if the Seattle Seahawks. So if you can make this trade, 281 00:13:05,400 --> 00:13:07,600 Speaker 1: maybe they can make it too. Well. I think that. 282 00:13:07,840 --> 00:13:09,800 Speaker 1: I mean, if I'm Seattle, I got to get on 283 00:13:09,840 --> 00:13:12,280 Speaker 1: a rookie contract here with a quarterback. I got to 284 00:13:12,320 --> 00:13:14,400 Speaker 1: be able to rebuild. I get you know, I get 285 00:13:14,440 --> 00:13:16,920 Speaker 1: first round draft picks. I got a chance. Russ is 286 00:13:16,920 --> 00:13:20,360 Speaker 1: gonna you know, he's thirty three. He's gonna cost you. 287 00:13:20,720 --> 00:13:23,160 Speaker 1: At what point do you get something in return for him? 288 00:13:23,440 --> 00:13:27,400 Speaker 1: Philadelphia not exactly ready to win now, maybe close, But 289 00:13:28,120 --> 00:13:31,040 Speaker 1: I would do then if I'm Seattle. I think Seattle 290 00:13:31,120 --> 00:13:33,319 Speaker 1: is going to move. I think Seattle wants to move on. 291 00:13:33,760 --> 00:13:35,960 Speaker 1: I just think they're trying to figure out what exactly 292 00:13:36,000 --> 00:13:38,640 Speaker 1: can they get for Russ Well, I think that I 293 00:13:38,640 --> 00:13:40,920 Speaker 1: think the photoelph Eagles would be highly motivated there, and 294 00:13:41,200 --> 00:13:44,280 Speaker 1: I actually, I actually think they're They're a team that 295 00:13:44,320 --> 00:13:47,800 Speaker 1: could make a you know, Tampa Bay bucceteer type leaps 296 00:13:48,120 --> 00:13:51,240 Speaker 1: with somebody like Russell Wilson because they're good on the 297 00:13:51,240 --> 00:13:53,280 Speaker 1: line of scrimmage. They're one of the better offensive lines 298 00:13:53,320 --> 00:13:55,760 Speaker 1: in the NFL. You've got Goddard, who's one of the 299 00:13:55,760 --> 00:13:58,480 Speaker 1: better tight ends. I think DeVante Smith with the guy 300 00:13:58,520 --> 00:14:02,800 Speaker 1: like Russell Wilson would catch his allion balls. Defensively, I 301 00:14:02,880 --> 00:14:04,680 Speaker 1: know their sacked numbers were down, but they've got a 302 00:14:04,679 --> 00:14:07,360 Speaker 1: premier corner and sleigh. They still got some town along 303 00:14:07,360 --> 00:14:10,200 Speaker 1: that defensive line. You'd add some pieces here or there, 304 00:14:10,400 --> 00:14:13,280 Speaker 1: but yeah, I could make a strong case, especially in 305 00:14:13,280 --> 00:14:16,040 Speaker 1: a division that's pretty average, that the Eagles could take 306 00:14:16,200 --> 00:14:18,600 Speaker 1: a real quick leap. All right, real quick. You're the 307 00:14:18,679 --> 00:14:25,000 Speaker 1: GM of the Giants. Well, first of all, thanks for 308 00:14:25,000 --> 00:14:26,640 Speaker 1: giving me l HGM jobs. This has been a heck 309 00:14:26,680 --> 00:14:28,520 Speaker 1: of a morning. I've already got four GM jobs. I 310 00:14:28,520 --> 00:14:32,200 Speaker 1: haven't had lunch yet. If I'm the GM of the Giants. 311 00:14:32,880 --> 00:14:36,840 Speaker 1: I'm probably trying to I'm probably very aggressively trying to 312 00:14:36,920 --> 00:14:39,360 Speaker 1: trade down in this draft. I think they've got a 313 00:14:39,360 --> 00:14:41,440 Speaker 1: lot of holes to fill. I think they are going 314 00:14:41,520 --> 00:14:44,440 Speaker 1: to stay committed to Daniel Jones, and i'd agree with 315 00:14:44,440 --> 00:14:46,440 Speaker 1: that when you stack him up with this year's quarterbacks 316 00:14:47,160 --> 00:14:48,600 Speaker 1: to try and give him some help. I don't know 317 00:14:48,640 --> 00:14:51,160 Speaker 1: if they'll find any trade partners to slide down and 318 00:14:51,160 --> 00:14:53,520 Speaker 1: collect a bunch of picks, but so that would be 319 00:14:53,560 --> 00:14:55,680 Speaker 1: the effort I would be trying to make. And you've 320 00:14:55,680 --> 00:14:58,040 Speaker 1: got to get a good evaluation on your quarterback this year. 321 00:14:58,280 --> 00:15:00,360 Speaker 1: So they've got to upgrade the offensive line, and I 322 00:15:00,400 --> 00:15:02,720 Speaker 1: think they've got to give him another another weapon to 323 00:15:02,720 --> 00:15:05,160 Speaker 1: play with. If at the end of this year you 324 00:15:05,200 --> 00:15:07,840 Speaker 1: can make a proper determination on Daniel Jones, I think 325 00:15:07,840 --> 00:15:09,680 Speaker 1: you do that as a success. But they can't go 326 00:15:09,720 --> 00:15:12,480 Speaker 1: into next offseason with the lack of clarity that they 327 00:15:12,480 --> 00:15:15,680 Speaker 1: have right now. All right, real quickly, the college quarterback 328 00:15:15,760 --> 00:15:18,440 Speaker 1: we are not talking about now, but we should be 329 00:15:18,760 --> 00:15:21,440 Speaker 1: or will be. Yeah, I think I'll give that to 330 00:15:21,480 --> 00:15:24,080 Speaker 1: Desmond Ritter. You know, I thought you saw that yesterday. 331 00:15:24,520 --> 00:15:27,440 Speaker 1: His accuracy was the questions when you watched him on tape. 332 00:15:27,600 --> 00:15:30,920 Speaker 1: This kid's smart, he's a great leader, Joshy random four 333 00:15:30,960 --> 00:15:34,200 Speaker 1: or five yesterdays, He's tremendously athletics. I think you've got 334 00:15:34,240 --> 00:15:36,280 Speaker 1: a lot to work with with a kid like that. 335 00:15:36,320 --> 00:15:38,400 Speaker 1: And I thought he cleaned up some of the footwork 336 00:15:38,440 --> 00:15:41,520 Speaker 1: stuff that impacted his accuracy. So that's what I think 337 00:15:41,560 --> 00:15:44,280 Speaker 1: we'll be talking more about as we go forwards. Thank you, Bud, 338 00:15:44,360 --> 00:15:47,640 Speaker 1: have a great day. We appreciate your time. As always, Thanks, Dan, 339 00:15:47,680 --> 00:15:50,840 Speaker 1: appreciate you. Be sure to catch the live edition of 340 00:15:50,840 --> 00:15:53,680 Speaker 1: The Dan Patrick Show week days at nine am Eastern 341 00:15:53,800 --> 00:15:57,440 Speaker 1: six am Pacific on Fox Sports Radio and the iHeart 342 00:15:57,520 --> 00:16:01,360 Speaker 1: Radio WAP All right, hand size bets, Paul, Dan, I 343 00:16:01,400 --> 00:16:04,120 Speaker 1: got the back room if you want it, Oh quickly, okay, 344 00:16:04,240 --> 00:16:06,480 Speaker 1: a back room, guys, the brgs at the DP Show, 345 00:16:07,440 --> 00:16:10,880 Speaker 1: Mario has the biggest hands ten point one, which is 346 00:16:10,960 --> 00:16:13,080 Speaker 1: too bad because if he had smaller hands, he wouldn't 347 00:16:13,080 --> 00:16:15,320 Speaker 1: have caught that pass in the corner and shot that 348 00:16:15,360 --> 00:16:17,360 Speaker 1: airball in au Hey may have dropped. You. See, big 349 00:16:17,360 --> 00:16:19,520 Speaker 1: hands don't help you when you're shooting the basketball. Apparently, 350 00:16:19,920 --> 00:16:22,520 Speaker 1: Eric the big German nine point seven five inches, okay, 351 00:16:22,960 --> 00:16:25,480 Speaker 1: Dylan the graphics guy. We got the beer out of 352 00:16:25,480 --> 00:16:27,120 Speaker 1: his hand for a minute to measure at nine point 353 00:16:27,200 --> 00:16:31,120 Speaker 1: five inches. Weeks of cameraman nine point four inches. Let's 354 00:16:31,160 --> 00:16:35,240 Speaker 1: see Tyler the moderator nine point two inches. He was 355 00:16:35,280 --> 00:16:36,920 Speaker 1: petting a dog at the time, so we had to 356 00:16:36,960 --> 00:16:40,240 Speaker 1: measure quickly. Ray the intern eight and a half inches. 357 00:16:41,200 --> 00:16:46,640 Speaker 1: Kenny Pickett, Yes, well, no shock at all, robt editor. Yeah, 358 00:16:46,760 --> 00:16:49,160 Speaker 1: his were like four point something like that. They didn't 359 00:16:49,160 --> 00:16:54,120 Speaker 1: even hit the scale. He buys children's mittens when he 360 00:16:54,320 --> 00:16:56,600 Speaker 1: You know, that's a big You think Ray raise a taller, 361 00:16:57,120 --> 00:17:01,800 Speaker 1: taller fella. Yeah, that was surprobably, so Mario finally doing something. 362 00:17:02,040 --> 00:17:05,480 Speaker 1: Uh right, okay, I have the front room order from 363 00:17:05,520 --> 00:17:07,480 Speaker 1: biggest to smallest. All right, do you want to do 364 00:17:07,480 --> 00:17:12,239 Speaker 1: a prediction or do you want to hit it? You 365 00:17:12,320 --> 00:17:17,600 Speaker 1: hit it? All right? Here we go, the biggest hands 366 00:17:17,640 --> 00:17:19,960 Speaker 1: of anyone on the Dan Patrick Show on the air, 367 00:17:22,080 --> 00:17:24,560 Speaker 1: Dan Patrick nine point three eight inches. Oh my god, 368 00:17:24,760 --> 00:17:28,080 Speaker 1: you did it so nervous. What a relief? Yeah, wait 369 00:17:28,119 --> 00:17:30,440 Speaker 1: a minute, years are nine point three? Yeah? Oh, I'm 370 00:17:30,440 --> 00:17:34,679 Speaker 1: gonna be like seven and a half in second place. 371 00:17:35,280 --> 00:17:37,080 Speaker 1: There have never been used to do any type of 372 00:17:37,160 --> 00:17:43,560 Speaker 1: manual labord. Wow, which and it's funny the backroom, guys, listen, 373 00:17:43,680 --> 00:17:45,520 Speaker 1: his is nine and two ace instead of nine and 374 00:17:45,600 --> 00:17:49,320 Speaker 1: a Quarter's interesting. I found nine point one to be interesting, Like, 375 00:17:49,359 --> 00:17:52,240 Speaker 1: what is the point one part in third place? Who 376 00:17:52,240 --> 00:17:56,040 Speaker 1: do you guys? Got it? I'm gonna go. I'm gonna go, Marvin, 377 00:17:57,400 --> 00:18:01,359 Speaker 1: I'm in third place, upset. Just a shade of the 378 00:18:01,480 --> 00:18:06,520 Speaker 1: nine inches, that's what she said. Okay, Marvin, Wow, man, 379 00:18:06,760 --> 00:18:11,200 Speaker 1: Marvin Man, you're taking a hit. Taking a hit, brother, No, 380 00:18:11,280 --> 00:18:13,960 Speaker 1: it's all good. I knew it. I knew it. Small feet, 381 00:18:14,760 --> 00:18:17,440 Speaker 1: small hands. I may need a remiss your part. Can't 382 00:18:17,560 --> 00:18:27,520 Speaker 1: dance in fourth place? Seno? Counterfes Marvin, they're seven and 383 00:18:27,640 --> 00:18:37,200 Speaker 1: seven eights. Yes, Kenny Pickett's making fun of you. Yes, Wow, 384 00:18:38,520 --> 00:18:46,160 Speaker 1: I didn't see that coming. Wow. Sorry, Marv. You want 385 00:18:46,160 --> 00:18:49,880 Speaker 1: to go in the back room? Now? That's great. 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Listen to All Ball with Doug Gotlieb on 396 00:19:25,920 --> 00:19:30,760 Speaker 1: the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or ever you get your podcasts. 397 00:19:32,160 --> 00:19:35,440 Speaker 1: Dan Waikey covers the NBA covers the Lakers for the 398 00:19:35,600 --> 00:19:37,640 Speaker 1: LA Times. All right, where do you want to start here? Dan? 399 00:19:37,800 --> 00:19:41,560 Speaker 1: With what happened last night? It's been great theater. Dan, 400 00:19:41,720 --> 00:19:46,600 Speaker 1: I just want to say thank you. You know, you 401 00:19:46,680 --> 00:19:48,399 Speaker 1: say you want to watch the struggle Like that's the 402 00:19:48,480 --> 00:19:50,960 Speaker 1: crazy things. Like they have seven more games on national 403 00:19:51,040 --> 00:19:54,359 Speaker 1: TV as the season plays out, right, Like, so we 404 00:19:54,480 --> 00:19:57,919 Speaker 1: are all gonna see this like it is very public. Um, 405 00:19:58,160 --> 00:20:00,200 Speaker 1: I mean I think, I mean Russ's is go a 406 00:20:00,240 --> 00:20:03,360 Speaker 1: place to start at any because that decision impacted everything, 407 00:20:04,320 --> 00:20:07,359 Speaker 1: not just in terms of what he's able to do 408 00:20:07,520 --> 00:20:11,600 Speaker 1: on the court, sort of the math problems it caused 409 00:20:11,640 --> 00:20:15,760 Speaker 1: for them when you trade three players for one, when 410 00:20:16,080 --> 00:20:18,960 Speaker 1: that player makes forty three million dollars and that's money 411 00:20:19,000 --> 00:20:22,480 Speaker 1: you can't spend elsewhere. You know, I was watching in 412 00:20:22,600 --> 00:20:24,800 Speaker 1: that third quarter and you watched that, you know, the 413 00:20:25,040 --> 00:20:26,840 Speaker 1: Clippers going. I think it was like a twenty three 414 00:20:26,880 --> 00:20:29,639 Speaker 1: to run at one point, and you look around it's like, 415 00:20:29,680 --> 00:20:33,320 Speaker 1: why can't this team stop anybody? And you realize, oh, well, 416 00:20:33,720 --> 00:20:36,480 Speaker 1: Kyle Kuzman, Contavious called Poper on a different team, Alex 417 00:20:36,520 --> 00:20:38,280 Speaker 1: Caruso is on a different team. Like these are the 418 00:20:38,400 --> 00:20:41,760 Speaker 1: guys that were parts of the pillars of the identity 419 00:20:42,160 --> 00:20:44,280 Speaker 1: that the Lakers won a title with, which was built 420 00:20:44,320 --> 00:20:47,000 Speaker 1: on defense, and that has all been traded out. That 421 00:20:47,119 --> 00:20:49,479 Speaker 1: has all been gone in an effort to be more 422 00:20:49,600 --> 00:20:53,720 Speaker 1: dynamic on offense. And they stink on offense and they're 423 00:20:54,440 --> 00:20:58,400 Speaker 1: slightly below average on defense, and that's why they are 424 00:20:58,760 --> 00:21:02,000 Speaker 1: in the position there. Jim Leagler was on yesterday and 425 00:21:02,119 --> 00:21:05,200 Speaker 1: he said that he's watching the body language and he 426 00:21:05,280 --> 00:21:07,920 Speaker 1: said during timeouts, they're not talking to each other, like 427 00:21:08,000 --> 00:21:11,440 Speaker 1: there's no spirit there. There's nobody who's sort of yeah, 428 00:21:11,680 --> 00:21:14,120 Speaker 1: you know, getting in somebody's face here. And they've they've 429 00:21:14,200 --> 00:21:16,760 Speaker 1: had those players in previous years. They just don't have 430 00:21:16,960 --> 00:21:20,280 Speaker 1: that now. But I wonder what do you do in 431 00:21:20,320 --> 00:21:24,840 Speaker 1: the off season? A lot? Right? And I think I 432 00:21:24,920 --> 00:21:27,240 Speaker 1: think Legs is right, Um, you know, I think what 433 00:21:27,320 --> 00:21:29,200 Speaker 1: we're seeing, right, dan As, You're seeing a team that 434 00:21:29,320 --> 00:21:34,080 Speaker 1: had championship expectations being confronted with the reality and they 435 00:21:34,160 --> 00:21:35,960 Speaker 1: might not even be the teph best team in the West, 436 00:21:36,440 --> 00:21:39,560 Speaker 1: you know, And that's it's jarring. And it has been 437 00:21:40,240 --> 00:21:42,040 Speaker 1: you know, let's wait, like you said, we'll wait to 438 00:21:42,160 --> 00:21:43,680 Speaker 1: dand in summer. This has been their approach on a 439 00:21:43,680 --> 00:21:45,800 Speaker 1: lot of things, at least publicly, is like, well, let's 440 00:21:45,840 --> 00:21:47,600 Speaker 1: wait and see where we're at once we're healthy. Let's 441 00:21:47,600 --> 00:21:49,520 Speaker 1: wait and see where were at once to get some continuity. 442 00:21:50,480 --> 00:21:52,000 Speaker 1: You know, here we are with twenty games left in 443 00:21:52,080 --> 00:21:55,320 Speaker 1: the season, and it doesn't seem it seems impossible to 444 00:21:55,400 --> 00:21:58,159 Speaker 1: imagine that they'll get either of those things as far 445 00:21:58,200 --> 00:22:01,960 Speaker 1: as the off season goes, you know, dealing with the 446 00:22:02,040 --> 00:22:04,760 Speaker 1: Russell Westbrook issue, um seems like it'll be at the 447 00:22:04,880 --> 00:22:07,879 Speaker 1: very top of the list, right best for both parties, 448 00:22:07,920 --> 00:22:11,040 Speaker 1: I think, probably to figure out a solution now that 449 00:22:11,240 --> 00:22:13,440 Speaker 1: that's gonna it's gonna like the Lakers are gonna have 450 00:22:13,520 --> 00:22:16,320 Speaker 1: to pay for that. It's not a simple like let's 451 00:22:16,359 --> 00:22:18,359 Speaker 1: find a team that wants Russ Like they're gonna have 452 00:22:18,480 --> 00:22:21,080 Speaker 1: to sweeten that deal. They're gonna have to use draft 453 00:22:21,160 --> 00:22:23,240 Speaker 1: picks to kind of start to dig out of the 454 00:22:23,320 --> 00:22:25,880 Speaker 1: hole that they're in. But they've probably got to dig 455 00:22:25,920 --> 00:22:28,520 Speaker 1: out of the hole. And then I think secondarily, um, 456 00:22:28,760 --> 00:22:31,480 Speaker 1: you know, a coaching change seems likely. The Lakers have 457 00:22:31,640 --> 00:22:35,680 Speaker 1: kind of said that, um you know, with with with 458 00:22:35,920 --> 00:22:39,480 Speaker 1: a half hearted extension, um with kind of letting Frank 459 00:22:39,560 --> 00:22:42,160 Speaker 1: Vogel dangle a little bit here during during this season. 460 00:22:42,320 --> 00:22:45,280 Speaker 1: I mean, they've sort of made their their feelings known there. 461 00:22:45,560 --> 00:22:49,400 Speaker 1: And I think, um again, another situation probably for best 462 00:22:49,440 --> 00:22:52,400 Speaker 1: for both parties. Um, you know, like there's gonna be big, 463 00:22:52,440 --> 00:22:54,720 Speaker 1: there'll be big changes. This team has to look differently 464 00:22:54,720 --> 00:22:57,120 Speaker 1: in the next year. Then here's the crazy thing. I'm 465 00:22:57,160 --> 00:23:00,760 Speaker 1: not convinced to look that much better. Well, I wonder 466 00:23:00,920 --> 00:23:04,080 Speaker 1: if Lebron knows the clock is ticking. He wants to 467 00:23:04,160 --> 00:23:07,960 Speaker 1: win at least one more championship, and he's got to 468 00:23:08,000 --> 00:23:10,520 Speaker 1: look around and going, can I win a champ Do 469 00:23:10,600 --> 00:23:13,960 Speaker 1: you think Lebron can win a championship in the next 470 00:23:14,080 --> 00:23:17,439 Speaker 1: couple of years there in Los Angeles? I mean now 471 00:23:17,520 --> 00:23:21,560 Speaker 1: without a certain level of luck that hasn't been there, right, Like, 472 00:23:21,640 --> 00:23:24,080 Speaker 1: I mean, you're gonna need he's gonna have to continue 473 00:23:24,080 --> 00:23:26,000 Speaker 1: to defy age on the court. But he's gonna have 474 00:23:26,040 --> 00:23:30,200 Speaker 1: to stay on before, right. You know, Lebron has missed 475 00:23:30,200 --> 00:23:33,399 Speaker 1: a lot of time this year. His running mate is 476 00:23:33,400 --> 00:23:36,960 Speaker 1: Anthony Davis, and so you need Anthony Davis on the court. Like, 477 00:23:37,160 --> 00:23:39,919 Speaker 1: these are big ifs when you talk about the Lakers, 478 00:23:40,000 --> 00:23:42,920 Speaker 1: if Anthony Davis was healthy, if Lebron James keeps playing 479 00:23:42,960 --> 00:23:45,920 Speaker 1: at this level. I mean, you know, next season, Lebron 480 00:23:45,920 --> 00:23:48,760 Speaker 1: will be thirty eight. You know, the York to that 481 00:23:48,840 --> 00:23:51,960 Speaker 1: will be thirty nine, And eventually you would think like that, 482 00:23:52,200 --> 00:23:53,720 Speaker 1: I mean, maybe we're already starting to see some of 483 00:23:53,760 --> 00:23:56,879 Speaker 1: those things slow down. You know, the Swellen knee, you know, 484 00:23:56,960 --> 00:23:59,000 Speaker 1: the ankle injuries seemed kind of freakish, but you know 485 00:23:59,160 --> 00:24:01,040 Speaker 1: he's had other things. He's a groin injury that he's 486 00:24:01,080 --> 00:24:03,800 Speaker 1: dealt with, like these soft tissue injuries that tend to 487 00:24:03,920 --> 00:24:08,600 Speaker 1: kind of suggest older age. You know, I think I 488 00:24:08,720 --> 00:24:12,120 Speaker 1: think that is obviously those are hugest can it happen? 489 00:24:12,200 --> 00:24:13,879 Speaker 1: I mean they have a punch of chance. I mean 490 00:24:14,000 --> 00:24:16,159 Speaker 1: they are I was talking to a scout last night 491 00:24:16,560 --> 00:24:19,160 Speaker 1: and it's like they are as born on third base 492 00:24:19,359 --> 00:24:22,040 Speaker 1: of a team as anybody, right, because they have Lebron 493 00:24:22,119 --> 00:24:24,600 Speaker 1: James and Anthony Davis and sort of why despite all 494 00:24:24,640 --> 00:24:26,720 Speaker 1: of this stuff, you talk to teams around the league, 495 00:24:27,119 --> 00:24:28,840 Speaker 1: nobody still wants to play him. They don't want to 496 00:24:28,840 --> 00:24:30,119 Speaker 1: see them in the play and they don't want to 497 00:24:30,160 --> 00:24:31,880 Speaker 1: see them in the first round of the playoffs because 498 00:24:32,320 --> 00:24:34,280 Speaker 1: they have these two guys, and these two guys are 499 00:24:34,640 --> 00:24:39,000 Speaker 1: unquestionably great players. Is this a great team? No, not 500 00:24:39,160 --> 00:24:45,000 Speaker 1: close handicap the rest of the West here best team 501 00:24:45,160 --> 00:24:48,600 Speaker 1: is who I think, at full health, I think it's 502 00:24:48,640 --> 00:24:51,359 Speaker 1: the Phoenix Suns, but the Chris Fault thumb injury is 503 00:24:51,560 --> 00:24:54,359 Speaker 1: an interesting one. It is that team to me when 504 00:24:54,400 --> 00:24:57,720 Speaker 1: I see them, they make the most sense. Like you 505 00:24:57,880 --> 00:25:00,879 Speaker 1: just see them. They've got athletic wings now they have 506 00:25:01,280 --> 00:25:03,600 Speaker 1: they have experienced, they have perimeter scoring, they have an 507 00:25:03,680 --> 00:25:07,399 Speaker 1: interior presence, They've got tremendous depth. They've been there before. 508 00:25:07,760 --> 00:25:11,840 Speaker 1: It's a team I really like. I still sort of 509 00:25:11,920 --> 00:25:14,840 Speaker 1: think the Utah Jazz are lurking and they've they've disappointed 510 00:25:14,880 --> 00:25:18,239 Speaker 1: the playoffs so many times. But but you know, it's 511 00:25:18,280 --> 00:25:21,840 Speaker 1: a terrific offense, and you know, a team that's played 512 00:25:22,080 --> 00:25:25,040 Speaker 1: much better basketball, seemingly the only team the Lakers can 513 00:25:25,119 --> 00:25:28,159 Speaker 1: be weirdly enough, is the Utah Jazz. But but you know, 514 00:25:28,320 --> 00:25:30,840 Speaker 1: Utah and everybody that doesn't seem like a problem. They'll 515 00:25:30,840 --> 00:25:33,959 Speaker 1: have to conquerence the playoffs, you know, and then obviously 516 00:25:34,440 --> 00:25:37,080 Speaker 1: the Warriors are the Warriors. I mean, I think Steph 517 00:25:37,119 --> 00:25:38,800 Speaker 1: Curry's in a little bit of a funk right now. 518 00:25:39,320 --> 00:25:42,439 Speaker 1: M clay Thompson's still playing his way back and reintegrating 519 00:25:42,480 --> 00:25:46,119 Speaker 1: pieces like that. It's not easy, Dan it like it, 520 00:25:46,480 --> 00:25:49,920 Speaker 1: especially especially when it fends so long. It's hard to 521 00:25:50,000 --> 00:25:53,720 Speaker 1: readjust your identity like that. But again, that's just another 522 00:25:53,800 --> 00:25:56,720 Speaker 1: team that I think you know is in the mix. 523 00:25:57,000 --> 00:25:58,560 Speaker 1: It just to me, Phoenix just feels like they have 524 00:25:58,600 --> 00:26:01,199 Speaker 1: the least amount of questions. Thumb injury isn't the end 525 00:26:01,200 --> 00:26:03,080 Speaker 1: of the world. Chris Paul will be back on the 526 00:26:03,160 --> 00:26:05,679 Speaker 1: court at some point. He'll be able to stay in shape. 527 00:26:05,680 --> 00:26:07,280 Speaker 1: It's not like you can't jog if you have a 528 00:26:07,320 --> 00:26:09,359 Speaker 1: broken thumb. It's not like he can't work out a 529 00:26:09,440 --> 00:26:11,359 Speaker 1: little bit and stuff like that. Stuff. I don't think 530 00:26:11,359 --> 00:26:13,160 Speaker 1: it'll be hard for him to kind of to get 531 00:26:13,200 --> 00:26:16,320 Speaker 1: back running at full speed. Make a case for John 532 00:26:16,400 --> 00:26:24,400 Speaker 1: Moran to win MVP. The Memphis Grizzlies aren't on anybody's 533 00:26:24,520 --> 00:26:27,760 Speaker 1: radar if he's not like humping above the backboard every game, 534 00:26:28,080 --> 00:26:30,080 Speaker 1: you know, like in terms of value, if they're a 535 00:26:30,200 --> 00:26:32,760 Speaker 1: game out of the two seed right now, yeah, yeah, 536 00:26:32,920 --> 00:26:35,800 Speaker 1: yeah again, he is the value case right Um. And 537 00:26:36,119 --> 00:26:39,320 Speaker 1: you know, I didn't mention Memphis, and I probably should 538 00:26:39,359 --> 00:26:44,199 Speaker 1: because it's easy to kind of see the path for them, 539 00:26:44,359 --> 00:26:46,359 Speaker 1: right Like it is kind of a weird year again 540 00:26:46,800 --> 00:26:49,160 Speaker 1: in the West. You know, who knows what doors will 541 00:26:49,200 --> 00:26:53,040 Speaker 1: be open. They're tremendously athletic, another team with tremendous death. 542 00:26:54,119 --> 00:26:56,880 Speaker 1: They had never been there before, which is always it's 543 00:26:56,960 --> 00:26:59,200 Speaker 1: tough to go through the first time. And we'll see, 544 00:27:00,160 --> 00:27:02,359 Speaker 1: you know, how how a team defends John Moran over 545 00:27:02,440 --> 00:27:05,479 Speaker 1: seven game series is totally different from how you deal 546 00:27:05,520 --> 00:27:07,119 Speaker 1: with him on a night to night basis. And how 547 00:27:07,200 --> 00:27:10,200 Speaker 1: good are they had adjusting? But there's probably not a 548 00:27:10,280 --> 00:27:12,840 Speaker 1: more exciting player in the league right now. Um, it 549 00:27:12,960 --> 00:27:14,840 Speaker 1: does feel like he can do anything. I was in 550 00:27:14,920 --> 00:27:17,920 Speaker 1: the building when you know, he blocked that shot against 551 00:27:17,960 --> 00:27:19,960 Speaker 1: the Lakers and it looked like, you know, he had 552 00:27:20,000 --> 00:27:22,280 Speaker 1: a you know, a couple of Tesla rockets and the Sneakers, 553 00:27:22,400 --> 00:27:25,560 Speaker 1: like it's he he is like sort of one of 554 00:27:25,600 --> 00:27:27,200 Speaker 1: those guys when you when you open your phone or 555 00:27:27,240 --> 00:27:30,879 Speaker 1: you turn on League Pass or whatever, it's anything is 556 00:27:30,920 --> 00:27:35,560 Speaker 1: certainly possible. And on a team like that at this stage, 557 00:27:35,640 --> 00:27:39,800 Speaker 1: I mean, what who could be more valuable in that sense? Yeah, 558 00:27:39,800 --> 00:27:42,959 Speaker 1: I don't know. It's like most outstanding as far as 559 00:27:43,040 --> 00:27:46,560 Speaker 1: best highlights, sure, or because Jannis has won a couple, 560 00:27:47,280 --> 00:27:50,119 Speaker 1: it feels like it's Embads turn, even though the Joker 561 00:27:50,160 --> 00:27:52,560 Speaker 1: has played well with a Denver team that's you know, 562 00:27:53,040 --> 00:27:57,080 Speaker 1: been missing some players there. I always I'm always curious 563 00:27:57,119 --> 00:28:00,239 Speaker 1: about this meteoric rise. Like Luca had a meteoric yes, 564 00:28:00,280 --> 00:28:02,400 Speaker 1: but he didn't win the MVP because the team wasn't 565 00:28:02,440 --> 00:28:06,280 Speaker 1: good enough. John Moran is having that meteoric rise and 566 00:28:06,480 --> 00:28:10,520 Speaker 1: they're playing like there's validation in his value to them, 567 00:28:10,880 --> 00:28:12,919 Speaker 1: whereas Luke I said he's not going to be an 568 00:28:13,040 --> 00:28:16,520 Speaker 1: MVP anytime soon until they get better. Yeah, you know, 569 00:28:17,000 --> 00:28:19,520 Speaker 1: it's it's I'm glad at the other times, like we 570 00:28:19,560 --> 00:28:22,520 Speaker 1: don't vote on awards, which is like luckily it's something 571 00:28:22,760 --> 00:28:25,240 Speaker 1: I'm glad. I don't do it. To be totally honest, 572 00:28:25,320 --> 00:28:27,960 Speaker 1: like it is, it is a tricky. It is a 573 00:28:28,080 --> 00:28:30,240 Speaker 1: tricky thing to kind of figure this out because another 574 00:28:30,320 --> 00:28:32,719 Speaker 1: name we even mentioned is Demarta Rosen, you know who 575 00:28:32,800 --> 00:28:36,119 Speaker 1: has been again you talked about a team on a 576 00:28:36,200 --> 00:28:38,480 Speaker 1: quick meteoric rise. And he's the type of person that 577 00:28:38,520 --> 00:28:41,240 Speaker 1: I think voters want to reward because it's such a 578 00:28:41,320 --> 00:28:44,040 Speaker 1: good story. It's such a good like, kind of out 579 00:28:44,080 --> 00:28:47,320 Speaker 1: of nowhere, seemingly season. But it's hard to vote an 580 00:28:47,400 --> 00:28:50,280 Speaker 1: MVP with a hot You can't say, oh, remember that 581 00:28:50,440 --> 00:28:54,360 Speaker 1: time in that game against you know, the Joker had 582 00:28:54,480 --> 00:28:56,440 Speaker 1: sort of a season like that last year, but he 583 00:28:56,600 --> 00:29:06,240 Speaker 1: had some unbelievable passes Umarta Rosa. Yeah, but but look, Dan, 584 00:29:06,320 --> 00:29:08,160 Speaker 1: they've got to beat you know, and this is an issue. 585 00:29:08,160 --> 00:29:10,480 Speaker 1: They have been beaten good teams. That's what I was 586 00:29:10,480 --> 00:29:12,240 Speaker 1: just gonna say. They've got to beat really good teams 587 00:29:12,520 --> 00:29:14,040 Speaker 1: and they just haven't done it. So I mean, I 588 00:29:14,120 --> 00:29:16,040 Speaker 1: think to me, like right now, if I was feeling 589 00:29:16,080 --> 00:29:18,120 Speaker 1: a ballot, I would look at and Beat, I would 590 00:29:18,120 --> 00:29:20,680 Speaker 1: look at Yo Kinch, and I would look at Morant 591 00:29:20,760 --> 00:29:23,400 Speaker 1: probably closest, and then Jannis is like right on the 592 00:29:23,520 --> 00:29:25,880 Speaker 1: edge of that, and then you just start to it. 593 00:29:26,200 --> 00:29:27,960 Speaker 1: At a certain point it becomes a level of taste 594 00:29:28,000 --> 00:29:30,920 Speaker 1: like those guys have all been so good. Um and 595 00:29:31,080 --> 00:29:32,920 Speaker 1: beat has been has been great on both sides of 596 00:29:32,920 --> 00:29:35,479 Speaker 1: the all. What Yokis is doing is still like kind 597 00:29:35,520 --> 00:29:39,840 Speaker 1: of rewriting possibilities and offense. Yannis Um, you know, is 598 00:29:40,400 --> 00:29:42,560 Speaker 1: maybe the most dominant player in the NBA. And then 599 00:29:42,600 --> 00:29:45,520 Speaker 1: you've got this guy John Morant, who, like I said, 600 00:29:45,560 --> 00:29:47,520 Speaker 1: I mean like seems like sort of a mix of 601 00:29:47,720 --> 00:29:51,320 Speaker 1: like Alan Iverson and Derreck Rose a little bit like 602 00:29:51,440 --> 00:29:53,480 Speaker 1: pre injury is kind of who I always see and 603 00:29:53,600 --> 00:29:56,320 Speaker 1: it's just sort of, you know, it really does feel 604 00:29:56,360 --> 00:29:59,280 Speaker 1: like he is He's on the precipice, is something really 605 00:29:59,360 --> 00:30:01,400 Speaker 1: really special. And that's the crazy thing with him, Dan 606 00:30:01,640 --> 00:30:03,400 Speaker 1: is like are we even seeing the best of him 607 00:30:03,480 --> 00:30:05,400 Speaker 1: right now? Like like how much more is there to go? 608 00:30:06,040 --> 00:30:08,840 Speaker 1: Bill Orum of the Athletic got yelled at by Lebron? 609 00:30:08,920 --> 00:30:14,080 Speaker 1: Have you been yelled at by Lebron? Um snarled at? Certainly, 610 00:30:14,240 --> 00:30:16,920 Speaker 1: not to that extent. I will say that I have 611 00:30:17,080 --> 00:30:22,000 Speaker 1: yelled at Bill. M definitely happen. Everybody yells at Bill. 612 00:30:23,120 --> 00:30:27,720 Speaker 1: Wait more than one Lebron snarled at you. Absolutely, Yeah, 613 00:30:27,760 --> 00:30:31,120 Speaker 1: I'm snarl worthy. I think you know, I mean, I 614 00:30:31,200 --> 00:30:32,840 Speaker 1: think there was a point at the time during the 615 00:30:32,880 --> 00:30:34,600 Speaker 1: season where he basically looked over and was like, you 616 00:30:34,720 --> 00:30:38,400 Speaker 1: keep asking the same questions, right, Like you keep asking 617 00:30:38,520 --> 00:30:41,240 Speaker 1: us and we don't know. And if we didn't know, 618 00:30:41,360 --> 00:30:43,640 Speaker 1: we would maybe answer, but you should have said, hey, 619 00:30:43,720 --> 00:30:46,360 Speaker 1: you guys keep playing the same way. That's why I 620 00:30:46,400 --> 00:30:49,720 Speaker 1: told him. I told him, I said, this is frustrating, 621 00:30:50,360 --> 00:30:53,200 Speaker 1: like we're trying, We're trying, Jennifer, I pulled the c. 622 00:30:53,320 --> 00:30:55,760 Speaker 1: J McCollum guard. You know, I mean I think that 623 00:30:57,000 --> 00:31:01,160 Speaker 1: you know, certainly the uh um, you know, the Bill 624 00:31:01,240 --> 00:31:05,000 Speaker 1: Lebron situation. Obviously like a little jet in there too 625 00:31:05,080 --> 00:31:08,120 Speaker 1: and stuff. It's just everybody's frustrated, Dan, like, honestly, like 626 00:31:08,280 --> 00:31:12,760 Speaker 1: it is a it is a very tiring team to 627 00:31:12,920 --> 00:31:14,840 Speaker 1: be around. And what I mean by that is that 628 00:31:14,920 --> 00:31:16,840 Speaker 1: it's just like I said, like, this is a team 629 00:31:16,880 --> 00:31:19,960 Speaker 1: that I think. You know, you heard them talk about championships, 630 00:31:20,240 --> 00:31:23,360 Speaker 1: you know, with a straight face through December. We heard 631 00:31:23,440 --> 00:31:26,640 Speaker 1: Russell Westbrook talking about a championship last night, you know, 632 00:31:26,720 --> 00:31:28,880 Speaker 1: saying like, the season's not over, our goals are still 633 00:31:28,920 --> 00:31:31,360 Speaker 1: in front of us, and it's you know, you're eight 634 00:31:31,400 --> 00:31:35,400 Speaker 1: games under five hundred, and you know, why are you 635 00:31:35,440 --> 00:31:39,640 Speaker 1: even talking about anything beyond you know, winning a single 636 00:31:39,720 --> 00:31:43,320 Speaker 1: game playing better than one quarter, Like this team hasn't 637 00:31:43,520 --> 00:31:46,320 Speaker 1: figured that out yet, and it's it is a little 638 00:31:46,320 --> 00:31:50,680 Speaker 1: bit exhausting constantly trying to dissect these huge, big picture 639 00:31:50,720 --> 00:31:53,120 Speaker 1: issues right Like these aren't little tiny problems. These are 640 00:31:53,320 --> 00:31:55,920 Speaker 1: big problems that they're trying to tackle, but like at 641 00:31:56,000 --> 00:31:57,840 Speaker 1: the same time, like they're not even getting like the 642 00:31:58,160 --> 00:32:02,080 Speaker 1: day to day results. That painting a tribute to Ferris 643 00:32:02,160 --> 00:32:05,560 Speaker 1: Bueller's day off. Yes, it's you know, I'm a Chicago 644 00:32:05,640 --> 00:32:08,040 Speaker 1: and my son is named Cameron. Um, you know it 645 00:32:08,240 --> 00:32:11,240 Speaker 1: is a it is high art in my room dance. 646 00:32:11,320 --> 00:32:13,400 Speaker 1: So you didn't want to go with Ferris as a 647 00:32:13,600 --> 00:32:15,800 Speaker 1: name for your son, Now, I didn't want to. I 648 00:32:15,840 --> 00:32:17,640 Speaker 1: didn't want to like people thinking, you know, like say 649 00:32:17,720 --> 00:32:21,680 Speaker 1: Ferris and stuff like that. Cameron underrated character. Um, I 650 00:32:21,760 --> 00:32:23,800 Speaker 1: don't know why. He's a Red Wings fan and never 651 00:32:23,880 --> 00:32:25,880 Speaker 1: made total sense to me. And maybe if they're in 652 00:32:25,880 --> 00:32:27,800 Speaker 1: a prequel or re Siquel that would ever get addressed. 653 00:32:27,840 --> 00:32:30,280 Speaker 1: But uh, yeah, you know I mean that everything about 654 00:32:30,360 --> 00:32:34,520 Speaker 1: Cameron he was an outsider, yeah, and and he worked 655 00:32:34,560 --> 00:32:37,720 Speaker 1: his way into like the popular social circle. A real 656 00:32:37,800 --> 00:32:41,640 Speaker 1: hero in my opinion, and I'm like me a father 657 00:32:41,760 --> 00:32:44,800 Speaker 1: with a great car. Dan, great to talk to you, 658 00:32:45,200 --> 00:32:48,040 Speaker 1: good luck the rest of the season. Thank you, enjoy 659 00:32:48,120 --> 00:32:48,640 Speaker 1: the struggle.