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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Gorgeous, smart, outgoing, she had

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Speaker 1: it all Holly Williams, plus she had a dud boyfriend,

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Speaker 1: William Landway. They're both found dead in a car crash

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Speaker 1: or were they? I'm Nancy Grace, this is Crime Stories.

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Speaker 1: Thank you for being with us here at Fox Nation

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Speaker 1: in Sirius XM one eleven. What an all star appanel

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Speaker 1: I've got with us today as we try to uncover

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Speaker 1: what happened to Hollywood, really happened to Holly straight out

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Speaker 1: to investigative reporter with the Austin American Statesman and kvu

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Speaker 1: E Tony Palahatsky, Tony, thank you for being with us.

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Speaker 1: Let's just start with finding Holly Williams dead in a

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Speaker 1: car crash and I guess there in the front seat

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Speaker 1: is ex boyfriend William Landwaite. Let's just start with that.

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Speaker 1: Tell me what happens well. Authorities initially were called to

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Speaker 1: Holly Williams's white two thousand and five Actua. It was

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Speaker 1: and there they both were Holly Williams and her strange boyfriend,

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Speaker 1: So let me understand something, Tony Flahatski, What were the

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Speaker 1: positions of the two bodies of this gorgeous young girl,

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Speaker 1: Holly Williams and the boyfriend, William Landway. She was found

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Speaker 1: So her body was on the back seat, stretched across

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Speaker 1: the back seat. He Landway was found head down on

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Speaker 1: the front passenger floorboard. Special guest joining us doctor Kendall Crowns,

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Speaker 1: the Chief Medical Examiner and Tarrant County. That's fort Worth

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Speaker 1: Texas and at Texas A and M doctor Kendall Crowns.

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Speaker 1: When you are are determining cause of death, very often

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Speaker 1: I would have the medical examiner, which would be you,

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Speaker 1: the chief medical examiner, or one of your minions, the investigators.

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Speaker 1: A lot of people don't know that the Medical Examiner's

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Speaker 1: don't catch And it's because your medical examiner investigators are

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Speaker 1: investigator like myself or like Robert Crispin. Now I'm an investigator,

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Speaker 1: it's Crispin Special Investigations, former law enforcement. We look at

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Speaker 1: it as to how am I going to prove a crime?

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Speaker 1: Or is there a crime? Your medical examiner team looks

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Speaker 1: at everything as it relates to the dead body. For instance,

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Speaker 1: forced entry. Let's look for a touch DNA. Let's look

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Speaker 1: is investigative reporter Jackie Howard Crime Online dot Com. Holly

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Speaker 1: Williams and Bill Lanway's bodies were found by a construction

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Speaker 1: worker inside Williams crashed two thousand and five White Accurate sNaN.

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Speaker 1: The car had gone off the construction road, traveled down

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Speaker 1: both bodies have multiple gunshot wounds. Rut Row. Okay, everything

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Speaker 1: out to you, Robert Crispin, private investigator, former law enforcement

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Speaker 1: he's at Crispin Investigations dot com. How's that here, you, Crispin? Clearly, Nancy,

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Speaker 1: What about it, Dale Carson? And even introduce you Del

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Speaker 1: Carson with me, high profile lawyer out of Jacksonville, former

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Speaker 1: long story short, we know it's Holly Williams, gorgeous, smart, gregarious,

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Speaker 1: to our cut zero zero A from crime Online. Holly

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Speaker 1: Williams grew up in Murphy's Villa, Tennessee. She was licensed

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Speaker 1: then he's planning to quote set up a meeting with her.

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Speaker 1: Take a listen to this. In March, after visiting with Williams, Mande,

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Speaker 1: who was married, received communications himself in the form of

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Speaker 1: a series of text messages from Bill Landway. Whoa wa

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Speaker 1: wa wait? Isn't he supposed to be getting sexy messages

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Speaker 1: back from Holly? Instead he gets messages from Bill Landway

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Speaker 1: the estranged boyfriend. Okay, take a listen to our friend

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Speaker 1: Dave Mack crime online cut ten. After his visit to

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Speaker 1: Nashville on March first, twenty twenty, Maunds received a series

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Speaker 1: of text messages from an individual, William Landway, who had

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Speaker 1: Maud and threatened to expose his relationship with Williams if

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Speaker 1: he did not receive it. Man then enlisted the services

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Speaker 1: Williams and the extortion demands, Well, hatsky, What the hey?

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Speaker 1: So the boyfriend upside down dead in the car is what?

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Speaker 1: Extorting the car dealership air, threatening to rap out his

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Speaker 1: sex affair with Holly to who Man's wife? That's what

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Speaker 1: investigators all allege in a thirteen page federal indictment that

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Speaker 1: frankly reads more like a movie script, but yes, and

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Speaker 1: a couple of outstanding questions that we don't know the

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Speaker 1: answer to is exactly how much Landway was asking from Lawn.

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Speaker 1: No dollar amount has ever been established. Time stories with

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Speaker 1: Nancy Grace. Guys, take a listen to our cut seven

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Speaker 1: from our fancy k v u E listen. Indictment alleges

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Speaker 1: that Maun then hired either directly or indirectly. According to

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Speaker 1: the indictment, three other men and the plot. One of

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Speaker 1: those men, Galen Paled, owns an Austome based security firm

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Speaker 1: called Spear Tip Security, and just five days ago Maund

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Speaker 1: left a glowing Google review of that company. The two

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Speaker 1: other men, Byron Brockway and Adam Carey, also had military

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Speaker 1: and security experience. According to those federal documents, Carrie and

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Speaker 1: Brockway both had served and special operations, and the marines

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Speaker 1: An authorities say Maun paid them at least seven hundred

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Speaker 1: and fifty thousand dollars as part of the plot. In

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Speaker 1: a statement this afternoon, attorneys Perryminton and Sam Bassett said

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Speaker 1: they are representing Maund and that quote, we have spoken

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Speaker 1: to mister Maun only briefly on the matter. We will

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Speaker 1: understand more in the coming days and weeks. The entire

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Speaker 1: Maun family loves and supports their son. Okay, so let

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Speaker 1: me understand what is happening to Robert Crispin joining me

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Speaker 1: private investigator at Crispin Special Investigations. What happened wells to me,

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Speaker 1: like these guys want to get some money out of

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Speaker 1: him and instort him for his affairies, having and routed

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Speaker 1: out to the wife. Which starts the slow role of

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Speaker 1: getting yourself caught with their electronic transmissions, which is the

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Speaker 1: best evidence out there for an investigator, because from the start,

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Speaker 1: this major thing, you're not kidding, go ahead, from the start,

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Speaker 1: this entire things don't the position of the bodies, there's

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Speaker 1: no driver, it's a passenger. Where's the driver, the low

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Speaker 1: impact crash, the bodies don't match the speed of the crash.

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Speaker 1: The relationship between the two, sure that comes into play.

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Speaker 1: They had some domestic violence, but how many women go

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Speaker 1: back to the guy, or how many guys go back

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Speaker 1: to the abusive woman. It's life, it's what they do.

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Speaker 1: Now we've got two dead bodies. Now the electronic evidence

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Speaker 1: starts coming in. It's a investigator's dream, electronic evidence, and

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Speaker 1: it's evidence that you can't alter or destroy and it

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Speaker 1: tells the story, Nancy, It lays everything out. What a

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Speaker 1: bunch of idiots. And now I know they're special ops,

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Speaker 1: which you'd think that they would set this up so

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Speaker 1: it's never to be detected. But guess what, guys, that's

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Speaker 1: typically in the movies where the murders are arranged and

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Speaker 1: the hitman it's never discovered. They're not Jason Bourne. All right,

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Speaker 1: let's just put it that way. Take a listen to

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Speaker 1: our cut eleven Dave Matt Crime online. On mar Eric

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Speaker 1: Mond withdrew fifteen thousand dollars from his bank account. On

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Speaker 1: that same day, an intelligence report was prepared and provided

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Speaker 1: to Gallaude Paled by a relative of Brian Brockway, who

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Speaker 1: worked for an internet based security company. A series of

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Speaker 1: actions were then undertaken by Adam Carey and others, including

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Speaker 1: traveling from out of state to Nashville to surveil Williams

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Speaker 1: and Landway, creating and using a PingER account to attempt

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Speaker 1: to communicate with Williams and Landway. On March nine, twenty twenty,

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Speaker 1: Polled received a document entitled Tennessee SitRep, which stated that

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Speaker 1: Adam Carey and others had surveilled Williams confirmed her address

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Speaker 1: and vehicle, confirmed that Landway had been staying at the

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Speaker 1: same address, and advised that Carry and others would use

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Speaker 1: everything at their disposal to stop the attempted extortion of

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Speaker 1: Eric Mond. It's exactly what Robert Crispin said. The electronic

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Speaker 1: trail these idgets are leaving behind is damning. Take a

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Speaker 1: listen to our cut twelve crime online. On March eleven,

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty, Gilpilled deposited eight thousand dollars in cash into

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Speaker 1: Spear Tip Security's business account and seven thousand dollars in

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Speaker 1: cash into his personal bank account. The following day, Eric

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Speaker 1: Mahn transferred one hundred and fifty thousand dollars via wire

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Speaker 1: from his bank account to a bank account controlled by Pilled.

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Speaker 1: On that same day, Brian Brockway and Adam Carey, armed

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Speaker 1: with firearms, confronted Holly Williams and William Landway in the

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Speaker 1: parking lot of William's apartment complex in West Nashville. They

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Speaker 1: murdered Landway by shooting him several times. They then kidnapped

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Speaker 1: Williams and drove her and the body of Landway to

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Speaker 1: a construction site on Old Hickory Boulevard in West Nashville,

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Speaker 1: where they then murdered Williams by shooting her several times.

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Speaker 1: The bodies were then discarded at the construction site, and

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Speaker 1: within hours of the murders, the PingER account used to

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Speaker 1: communicate was deleted and a rental car rented by Brockway

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Speaker 1: was returned. Carry then drove Brockway to Memphis, Tennessee, and

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Speaker 1: Brockway caught a flight to Austin, Texas. Adam Carey then

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Speaker 1: drove to Austin from Memphis Wow Tony pl joining me

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Speaker 1: investigative reporter Kvue and Austin American Statesman. The electronic trail

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Speaker 1: these idiots leave behind is overwhelming, and it indicates that Mond,

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Speaker 1: the rich husband the car dealership air, was willing to

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Speaker 1: pay seven hundred and fifty thousand dollars to two hitmen

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Speaker 1: to kill his lover, Holly Williams and her strange boyfriend.

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Speaker 1: I mean, they're dead in the water based on all

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Speaker 1: this evidence. Yeah, I mean, when you look at the

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Speaker 1: totality of everything, I mean, my goodness, the high dollar,

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Speaker 1: very high dollar bank transaction, the electronic communication between all

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Speaker 1: four of these players sophisticated, It was not I mean

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Speaker 1: we're dealing with a lot of money, but we're not

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Speaker 1: dealing with a lot of sophistication, a lot of brains. No,

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Speaker 1: a lot of money, yes for those of you just

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Speaker 1: joining us. A high profile businessman the Air to a

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Speaker 1: car dealership dynasty, charged with paying hitman seven hundred and

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Speaker 1: fifty thousand dollars to murder his mistress and her boyfriend

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Speaker 1: after the ex boyfriend threatens to tell his wife about

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Speaker 1: the sex affair. Lessen Our Cut thirteen Fox seven. Three

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Speaker 1: men from Austin or facing charges and a murder for

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Speaker 1: higher plot connected to the brutal killings of a couple

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Speaker 1: in Nashville. Police arrested these men on Friday. Forty six

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Speaker 1: year old day Eric Charles Mound, a partner at Manda

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Speaker 1: Automotive Group, a dealership company founded by his father. Forty

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Speaker 1: seven year old Gilead Pouline, a former member of the

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Speaker 1: Israeli Defense Forces and owner of Spear Tip Security in Austin,

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Speaker 1: and forty six year old Brian Brockway, a former Marine

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Speaker 1: and owner of Austin security company Ink Force. A fourth

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Speaker 1: man from North Carolina was also arrested. According to the indictment,

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Speaker 1: man would travel to Nashville, often, where he would occasionally

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Speaker 1: meet with thirty three year old Holly Williams. Her boyfriend,

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Speaker 1: William Landway, threatened to expose their relationship if monde, who's married,

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Speaker 1: and did not pay up. In March of twenty twenty,

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Speaker 1: police began looking for suspects after the bodies of Williams

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Speaker 1: and Landway were found at a construction site in Nashville.

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Speaker 1: Detective say Mond hired the other men to kidnap the

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Speaker 1: couple and kill them for about seven hundred and fifty

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Speaker 1: thousand dollars. To you, del Carson, why do I always

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Speaker 1: here injected that they were with Israeli military. What does

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Speaker 1: that mean? Well, because really military is very well trained,

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Speaker 1: and if the idea, then there's a supposition that they're

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Speaker 1: better than anybody else. I have known several of them

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Speaker 1: to be in the United States. But that's like saying

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Speaker 1: you're a sniper at a bar. It's often not true.

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Speaker 1: What about it, Crispin, what's the mistake about being in

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Speaker 1: the Israeli military. I think it's just bragging rights for

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Speaker 1: those guys so they can get business. And clearly, you

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Speaker 1: know this guy went to them to hire them, so

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Speaker 1: you know you you go to hire somebody, You go

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Speaker 1: to hire an investigator, You go to hire, you know,

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Speaker 1: a security firm. You go to their website. Let's look

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Speaker 1: at their resume, let's look at their bragging rights. You know,

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Speaker 1: you don't want to hire somebody their hitman website. Listen,

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Speaker 1: these guys took it to a level that we've never seen,

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Speaker 1: haven't to They got greedy, doctor Kimball Crowns. You called

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Speaker 1: it at the get go that something was way off.

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Speaker 1: What about it, Karen start, he's willing to pay seven

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Speaker 1: hundred and fifty thousand dollars to have two people murderers.

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Speaker 1: I'll tell you, Nancy, why don't just tell your wife, Look,

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Speaker 1: I screwed up. I had an affair and then let

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Speaker 1: the chips fall where they may. That would have been

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Speaker 1: better than this. All the money, Yeah, that would have

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Speaker 1: split all the money. Of course, you're right, del Cars

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Speaker 1: And what about it, Karen? You know what if that

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Speaker 1: were the case, then a lot of people would be

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Speaker 1: out of a job. Because yes, it's very easy to

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Speaker 1: just say, look this happened and I made a mistake.

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Speaker 1: But people don't do that. They're stupid. They think, okay,

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Speaker 1: I'm going to throw a lot of money at this

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Speaker 1: and see if I could get rid of the people,

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Speaker 1: and I'll shave myself from this embarrassment. It doesn't happen.

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Speaker 1: How many times have we seen that the minute that

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Speaker 1: you talked to somebody else and try to set up

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Speaker 1: any kind of murder, you're going to get caught. It's

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Speaker 1: going to happen. There's going to be some kind of trail.

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Speaker 1: It's human nature. Tony Plahatsky. Where does the case stand now?

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Speaker 1: So all four of these men have been indicted federally

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Speaker 1: and they are sitting in federal detention facilities. None of them,

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Speaker 1: by the way, have have thought to have their their

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Speaker 1: bond reduced at this point. So they're incarcerated. What charges?

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Speaker 1: What federal charges? Murder, conspiracy, whole, a whole number of charges. Actually, well,

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Speaker 1: conspiracy is the actual main one, because man is subject

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Speaker 1: to that. If he didn't actually participate directly in the murder,

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Speaker 1: he certainly started up. Well under the law, if they're

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Speaker 1: going to be prosecuted where they were killed in Nashville,

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Speaker 1: setting up a murder makes you guilty of a murder

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Speaker 1: just because you didn't pull the trigger yourself. If you're

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Speaker 1: the mastermind, you're going down for murder. And the last

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Speaker 1: time I looked at Tennessee, don't they still unless you're

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Speaker 1: stomping grounds. Don't they still have the death penalty? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: I think I'd let the Tennessee prosecutor take care of that.

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Speaker 1: Forget about the interstate murder. Well, I like the way

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Speaker 1: you're thinking. However, the local authorities could prosecute them for murder.

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Speaker 1: There is a murder at the state level. The FENSI

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Speaker 1: bigfoot at it and trying to get them on other charges.

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Speaker 1: But I'd go for the tried and true murder slash

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Speaker 1: death penalty route. But that's just me. Hey, let's see

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Speaker 1: where this thing lands. Nancy Grace Crime Story signing off

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