1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:04,520 Speaker 1: Ron Andanian. That absolutely guarantee you cars are not going 2 00:00:04,559 --> 00:00:06,920 Speaker 1: to get simpler from this moment on. They're going to 3 00:00:07,000 --> 00:00:34,360 Speaker 1: get much more difficult. Blacky that time, the Car Doctor, 4 00:00:34,520 --> 00:00:37,080 Speaker 1: I'm amazed at a body shop would release a vehicle 5 00:00:37,080 --> 00:00:39,720 Speaker 1: with an airbag light on. If you're getting to another 6 00:00:39,800 --> 00:00:42,680 Speaker 1: accident and that airbag lights on, the air bag system 7 00:00:42,720 --> 00:00:45,040 Speaker 1: doesn't work, You're in a dangerous vehicle at that point. 8 00:00:45,159 --> 00:00:48,800 Speaker 1: Welcome to the radio home of Ron Andanian the Car Doctor, 9 00:00:49,080 --> 00:00:53,280 Speaker 1: since this is where car owners the world overturned to 10 00:00:53,680 --> 00:00:57,920 Speaker 1: for their definitive opinion on automotive repair. If your mechanics 11 00:00:57,960 --> 00:01:00,560 Speaker 1: giving you a busy signal, pick up the own and 12 00:01:00,640 --> 00:01:03,880 Speaker 1: call in the garage orders are open, but I am 13 00:01:03,920 --> 00:01:06,240 Speaker 1: here to take your calls at eight five five five 14 00:01:06,280 --> 00:01:14,679 Speaker 1: six and now he running again? Hey, why not here again? 15 00:01:14,760 --> 00:01:16,600 Speaker 1: Ron and Any and the Car Doctor eight five five 16 00:01:16,680 --> 00:01:18,920 Speaker 1: five six zero nine nine zero sero. Yeah, I get 17 00:01:19,000 --> 00:01:20,360 Speaker 1: up each and every week. Look at this, here we 18 00:01:20,400 --> 00:01:22,880 Speaker 1: are on radio again. How does this keep on happening? 19 00:01:23,120 --> 00:01:25,080 Speaker 1: I'm not sure. I fell asleep this week before the 20 00:01:25,080 --> 00:01:26,560 Speaker 1: show and they wheeled me into the booth and they 21 00:01:26,600 --> 00:01:28,640 Speaker 1: said the regular guy didn't show up at your turn 22 00:01:28,760 --> 00:01:30,399 Speaker 1: or something like that. I'm not quite sure what the 23 00:01:30,400 --> 00:01:33,080 Speaker 1: heck happened. Anyway, this is the Car Doctor. I am 24 00:01:33,160 --> 00:01:34,680 Speaker 1: Ron and any and I am here to answer your 25 00:01:34,720 --> 00:01:36,880 Speaker 1: car questions and help you solve whatever it is you're 26 00:01:36,920 --> 00:01:39,760 Speaker 1: looking for. There's more information about this radio show at 27 00:01:39,760 --> 00:01:42,320 Speaker 1: car doctor show dot com with links to various websites 28 00:01:42,360 --> 00:01:44,920 Speaker 1: about podcasting and all sorts of different ways to take 29 00:01:44,959 --> 00:01:48,360 Speaker 1: it automated and otherwise. Tune in my heart iTunes radio 30 00:01:48,680 --> 00:01:50,400 Speaker 1: need me during the week, It's Ron at car Doctor 31 00:01:50,480 --> 00:01:52,440 Speaker 1: show dot com. I understand what we're app On Google 32 00:01:52,480 --> 00:01:54,840 Speaker 1: play now you can get podcasts of the radio show 33 00:01:54,840 --> 00:01:57,640 Speaker 1: there and just roll along with us, and we enjoy 34 00:01:57,800 --> 00:01:59,840 Speaker 1: each of you listening each and every week and being 35 00:02:00,080 --> 00:02:02,720 Speaker 1: this and being part of the Car Doctor Nation. I 36 00:02:02,720 --> 00:02:05,840 Speaker 1: think auto repairs is like a needle in a haystack. 37 00:02:05,920 --> 00:02:08,639 Speaker 1: Sometimes you're you're looking for just that, and it's always 38 00:02:08,680 --> 00:02:11,880 Speaker 1: that least little part that you think of when you've 39 00:02:11,919 --> 00:02:14,840 Speaker 1: exhausted all other solutions. It's sort of like that old saying, 40 00:02:14,880 --> 00:02:16,480 Speaker 1: it's always the last place you look for it, that's 41 00:02:16,520 --> 00:02:18,680 Speaker 1: where you find it. Auto repair is always the last 42 00:02:18,720 --> 00:02:20,600 Speaker 1: thing you check. That's what you figure out is bad 43 00:02:21,160 --> 00:02:24,720 Speaker 1: and sometimes it's very tiny. It's a very small inherent 44 00:02:24,800 --> 00:02:28,560 Speaker 1: component part that you may overlook because you just take 45 00:02:28,600 --> 00:02:31,520 Speaker 1: it for granted. Your brain plays small tricks on you 46 00:02:32,040 --> 00:02:34,799 Speaker 1: happened to me twice this week. One was a two 47 00:02:34,840 --> 00:02:37,480 Speaker 1: thousand six four one pick them up truck with a 48 00:02:37,480 --> 00:02:40,040 Speaker 1: bad air conditioning compressor. The A C compressor was bad. 49 00:02:40,400 --> 00:02:44,120 Speaker 1: It had a eighth inch gap almost almost I'm sorry, 50 00:02:44,120 --> 00:02:46,680 Speaker 1: a quarter of an inch gap, uh for down down 51 00:02:46,720 --> 00:02:48,680 Speaker 1: at the clutch, and it just wouldn't pull in an engage. 52 00:02:48,680 --> 00:02:50,919 Speaker 1: And we put a compressor in it and always well. 53 00:02:50,960 --> 00:02:54,640 Speaker 1: It came back three days later and the compressor was 54 00:02:54,680 --> 00:02:57,640 Speaker 1: short cycling like, it was low and refrigerant, and I 55 00:02:57,720 --> 00:03:00,480 Speaker 1: ran through the system naturally. New means never worked in 56 00:03:00,560 --> 00:03:02,799 Speaker 1: my world, because I don't believe anything is good, even 57 00:03:02,840 --> 00:03:05,360 Speaker 1: if it's new, has to be checked out and verified. 58 00:03:05,400 --> 00:03:07,280 Speaker 1: And the compressor was fine, there were no leaks in 59 00:03:07,320 --> 00:03:11,160 Speaker 1: the system. But I noticed that the high side service 60 00:03:11,280 --> 00:03:15,079 Speaker 1: cap was missing. And that's not like me. That's just 61 00:03:15,240 --> 00:03:17,520 Speaker 1: not something I'm pretty automated in that I will sit 62 00:03:17,560 --> 00:03:20,880 Speaker 1: there and you know, consistently, there's a there's a methodology 63 00:03:20,880 --> 00:03:23,240 Speaker 1: I'll always follow, and it just becomes second nature. At 64 00:03:23,280 --> 00:03:25,120 Speaker 1: this point in the game forty something years about to 65 00:03:25,200 --> 00:03:28,639 Speaker 1: repair where the high side pressure kept going, more importantly, 66 00:03:28,639 --> 00:03:32,359 Speaker 1: where the refrigerant go. And in looking at it, there 67 00:03:32,400 --> 00:03:34,400 Speaker 1: was a little bit left in the system, a little 68 00:03:34,400 --> 00:03:36,560 Speaker 1: bit of soapy water up on top of that service 69 00:03:36,600 --> 00:03:40,680 Speaker 1: cap and it was bubbling. Uh ha. The nickel part, 70 00:03:40,720 --> 00:03:42,680 Speaker 1: well not really a nickel part. The eleven dollar and 71 00:03:43,000 --> 00:03:46,240 Speaker 1: two cent straighter valve inside the service port was sticking, 72 00:03:46,920 --> 00:03:51,640 Speaker 1: and probably because the original air conditioning system, the original 73 00:03:51,640 --> 00:03:53,960 Speaker 1: complaint took the customer two years to bring in. They 74 00:03:54,080 --> 00:03:56,040 Speaker 1: they had a problem for the past two years. They've 75 00:03:56,040 --> 00:03:59,240 Speaker 1: been trying to fight it, and finally they said, no more, 76 00:03:59,360 --> 00:04:03,080 Speaker 1: no moss. Right, a little Duran boxing match. There wasn't 77 00:04:03,080 --> 00:04:05,160 Speaker 1: that the no moss, no moss. They just couldn't take it. 78 00:04:05,200 --> 00:04:07,520 Speaker 1: And uh the side of the fix the air conditioning, 79 00:04:07,520 --> 00:04:09,280 Speaker 1: And I did, but I guess the valve was stuck, 80 00:04:09,320 --> 00:04:12,240 Speaker 1: and I charged the system and it just never receded 81 00:04:12,280 --> 00:04:15,560 Speaker 1: and sealed itself again. As for the service cap, well, 82 00:04:15,600 --> 00:04:19,039 Speaker 1: I found it. It had popped off the service port 83 00:04:19,200 --> 00:04:21,920 Speaker 1: and it was laying in the frame rail. So when 84 00:04:21,920 --> 00:04:24,159 Speaker 1: the pressure built up enough under the cap, it went 85 00:04:24,480 --> 00:04:27,880 Speaker 1: buoying and off it went, and always that needle in 86 00:04:27,880 --> 00:04:30,240 Speaker 1: a haystack. The service cap was actually the clue, that 87 00:04:30,240 --> 00:04:32,480 Speaker 1: tip you know off that said maybe something's leaking, building 88 00:04:32,560 --> 00:04:37,000 Speaker 1: up pressure. The second was at home, walked out of 89 00:04:37,040 --> 00:04:38,839 Speaker 1: the house the other morning. And this story may have 90 00:04:38,960 --> 00:04:40,920 Speaker 1: deja vou for a long if you're a long term 91 00:04:40,920 --> 00:04:44,320 Speaker 1: car doctor listener. My daughter's current car, she was remember 92 00:04:44,360 --> 00:04:46,160 Speaker 1: the years ago. She was driving the Volvo while the 93 00:04:46,240 --> 00:04:50,360 Speaker 1: Volvo kids driving a Toyota, and I noticed that her 94 00:04:50,680 --> 00:04:54,719 Speaker 1: left front tire was almost flat. Now, I had just 95 00:04:54,880 --> 00:04:58,360 Speaker 1: changed the oil and service that the week before, and 96 00:04:58,480 --> 00:05:00,400 Speaker 1: I walked him back in and I said, they listen, 97 00:05:00,440 --> 00:05:01,840 Speaker 1: bring your card down to the shop later today. I 98 00:05:01,880 --> 00:05:03,200 Speaker 1: want to look at that left front tire. I want 99 00:05:03,200 --> 00:05:05,480 Speaker 1: to see what's going on there. It's it's it's almost 100 00:05:05,520 --> 00:05:07,200 Speaker 1: on the ground. You've got enough there to get to 101 00:05:07,200 --> 00:05:10,240 Speaker 1: the shop, but not much further. And she showed up 102 00:05:10,279 --> 00:05:12,520 Speaker 1: and yeah, it only had about eighteen pounds of air 103 00:05:12,560 --> 00:05:16,880 Speaker 1: in it. And when I looked tank the tire, went 104 00:05:16,920 --> 00:05:19,240 Speaker 1: through looking for rim leaks, went through looking for any 105 00:05:19,240 --> 00:05:22,320 Speaker 1: small crazy puncture, took the tire apart, ran my hand 106 00:05:22,320 --> 00:05:24,360 Speaker 1: around the inside, did a visual over every square inch 107 00:05:24,360 --> 00:05:29,320 Speaker 1: of that tire. Found nothing wrong the service cap or 108 00:05:29,360 --> 00:05:33,440 Speaker 1: the valve stem. Right, the valve stem must have been leaking. 109 00:05:33,440 --> 00:05:36,480 Speaker 1: I put a new valve stem in it, and four 110 00:05:36,600 --> 00:05:40,680 Speaker 1: days later tires holding air. It's like needles and pins 111 00:05:40,680 --> 00:05:42,599 Speaker 1: and pins and needles and looking for that needle in 112 00:05:42,600 --> 00:05:45,240 Speaker 1: a haystack. Sometimes you've always got to look down to 113 00:05:45,279 --> 00:05:49,160 Speaker 1: the least smallest detail and go through everything and never 114 00:05:49,240 --> 00:05:54,080 Speaker 1: assume that, well, the problem must be fairy dust sprinkled somewhere, 115 00:05:54,080 --> 00:05:56,279 Speaker 1: and it's caused it to happen with no rhyme or reason. 116 00:05:56,800 --> 00:05:59,640 Speaker 1: Everything that happens inside of an automobile under the hood 117 00:06:00,400 --> 00:06:02,839 Speaker 1: until the driver gets in and starts driving, there's a 118 00:06:02,839 --> 00:06:05,760 Speaker 1: great deal of logic that occurs inside of an automobile. 119 00:06:05,839 --> 00:06:10,360 Speaker 1: And it's always something mechanical, and it's always something high 120 00:06:10,360 --> 00:06:14,400 Speaker 1: school science basics. It's always right there staring at you. 121 00:06:14,400 --> 00:06:16,799 Speaker 1: You've got to be the detective and find it. Hello, 122 00:06:16,839 --> 00:06:19,960 Speaker 1: and welcome Broughton, Ady and the car doctor here. Zero 123 00:06:20,480 --> 00:06:22,599 Speaker 1: zero zero. As I said before and so many times 124 00:06:22,839 --> 00:06:24,800 Speaker 1: these past twenty five years, I am here to help 125 00:06:24,800 --> 00:06:27,279 Speaker 1: you solve your automotive problem. Whatever that the lemma is. 126 00:06:27,279 --> 00:06:29,720 Speaker 1: We're gonna kick the curarage doors open right now and 127 00:06:29,760 --> 00:06:32,240 Speaker 1: get going because the phone lines are already backed up. 128 00:06:32,520 --> 00:06:34,320 Speaker 1: They're looking for us early. Let's get over and talk 129 00:06:34,360 --> 00:06:37,160 Speaker 1: to Tom again, Lacrosse, Wisconsin. A return call from last week, 130 00:06:37,600 --> 00:06:41,760 Speaker 1: the four fifty with vacuum leek, vacuum week problem yet, Tom, 131 00:06:41,920 --> 00:06:45,480 Speaker 1: what's going on this week? Well? I love your program around. 132 00:06:45,480 --> 00:06:48,480 Speaker 1: I appreciate you taking my call. Thank you, sir. Here 133 00:06:48,520 --> 00:06:52,839 Speaker 1: here is a scenario. I put a little extra vacuum 134 00:06:52,839 --> 00:06:54,839 Speaker 1: on it with the engine off, and I find that 135 00:06:55,080 --> 00:06:59,560 Speaker 1: my vacuum control switch valve on this Ford four point 136 00:06:59,640 --> 00:07:03,440 Speaker 1: to actually allows vacuum to leak into that valve. And 137 00:07:03,960 --> 00:07:06,960 Speaker 1: my first question is is that normal for that to 138 00:07:07,000 --> 00:07:09,760 Speaker 1: allow air to suck in there? Refresh my memory? Talk 139 00:07:09,840 --> 00:07:11,200 Speaker 1: what was wrong with this truck again? I remember I 140 00:07:11,200 --> 00:07:14,240 Speaker 1: had a vacuum leak of some kind of remember the specifics. Well, 141 00:07:14,400 --> 00:07:16,240 Speaker 1: it does have a vacuum leak, and it's kind of 142 00:07:16,320 --> 00:07:20,240 Speaker 1: unique it U and what what? How I determined it 143 00:07:20,280 --> 00:07:22,960 Speaker 1: was leaking is that going down the road, cruise on 144 00:07:23,200 --> 00:07:26,760 Speaker 1: nice and level, air conditioner running, everything just spine until 145 00:07:26,800 --> 00:07:28,360 Speaker 1: all of a sudden the engine has to work a 146 00:07:28,360 --> 00:07:32,560 Speaker 1: little harder. And then apparently I'm guessing the vacuum drops 147 00:07:32,920 --> 00:07:35,560 Speaker 1: and it drops out my ventilation from the e c 148 00:07:36,440 --> 00:07:38,840 Speaker 1: UH And that's how I initially noticed it. But after 149 00:07:39,120 --> 00:07:41,360 Speaker 1: that I did some more research and I realized I'm 150 00:07:41,360 --> 00:07:45,520 Speaker 1: losing vacuum and losing it pretty quickly. Okay, so it's 151 00:07:45,600 --> 00:07:49,440 Speaker 1: it's not holding it at the reserve tank, that's correct. 152 00:07:49,760 --> 00:07:52,679 Speaker 1: So did you I think we had a conversation about 153 00:07:52,880 --> 00:07:55,440 Speaker 1: the red vacuum line or the vacuum line with if 154 00:07:55,440 --> 00:07:57,440 Speaker 1: it's if it's a black rubber line, it's gonna have 155 00:07:57,480 --> 00:08:00,280 Speaker 1: a red trace on it, a red stripe on it, 156 00:08:00,600 --> 00:08:03,000 Speaker 1: if you trace that out going into the dash. If 157 00:08:03,040 --> 00:08:06,400 Speaker 1: you plug that off and put a vacuum pump on 158 00:08:06,440 --> 00:08:08,280 Speaker 1: that and you block it off wherever the sources that 159 00:08:08,360 --> 00:08:10,000 Speaker 1: the engine allow, there's a check valve there and it 160 00:08:10,000 --> 00:08:15,800 Speaker 1: shouldn't matter. Does it hold vacuum And the answer is no. 161 00:08:17,040 --> 00:08:20,360 Speaker 1: And what what I've determined is, uh, it is definitely 162 00:08:20,520 --> 00:08:24,760 Speaker 1: letting air in at what I've determined it's called the 163 00:08:24,840 --> 00:08:28,840 Speaker 1: vacuum control switch valve. And it is a little valve 164 00:08:29,120 --> 00:08:31,560 Speaker 1: right there, not too far off the manifold that I 165 00:08:31,640 --> 00:08:33,840 Speaker 1: assume he has something to do with the e g R. 166 00:08:34,960 --> 00:08:37,680 Speaker 1: But but that thing is actually allowing vacuum to suck 167 00:08:37,720 --> 00:08:40,520 Speaker 1: into it. Okay, so if you if you disconnect that line, 168 00:08:40,559 --> 00:08:42,760 Speaker 1: if you disconnect that valve and put your finger over 169 00:08:42,840 --> 00:08:45,120 Speaker 1: and block that off, the system holds vacuum up to 170 00:08:45,240 --> 00:08:48,840 Speaker 1: that point around that would be an excellent test. And 171 00:08:48,880 --> 00:08:51,520 Speaker 1: I didn't think to do that, but I wish I had. 172 00:08:52,400 --> 00:08:54,320 Speaker 1: I just made the assumption that I got to find 173 00:08:54,320 --> 00:08:58,640 Speaker 1: out if that possible, uh uh, that that the vacuum 174 00:08:58,679 --> 00:09:01,599 Speaker 1: could actually leak in through that because they know the 175 00:09:01,679 --> 00:09:05,840 Speaker 1: vacuum system. Ideally it doesn't actually let any air in. 176 00:09:06,520 --> 00:09:09,559 Speaker 1: But I thought maybe this device is supposed to or something, 177 00:09:09,640 --> 00:09:14,720 Speaker 1: or maybe it's aunt Sure, the the the only thing 178 00:09:14,800 --> 00:09:18,160 Speaker 1: that can be from my seat without looking at it 179 00:09:18,240 --> 00:09:22,000 Speaker 1: up close is a vacuum check valve. It's going to 180 00:09:22,120 --> 00:09:25,440 Speaker 1: allow vacuum to be pulled so that the engine manifold 181 00:09:25,520 --> 00:09:28,440 Speaker 1: vacuum pulls through the system, but doesn't allow it to 182 00:09:28,520 --> 00:09:31,959 Speaker 1: bleed off quickly. All right, it's either a delayer or 183 00:09:31,960 --> 00:09:34,439 Speaker 1: a restriction that doesn't allow it to bleed off quickly. 184 00:09:34,480 --> 00:09:37,000 Speaker 1: So when you're in that type of situation uphill under 185 00:09:37,040 --> 00:09:39,960 Speaker 1: load foot to the floor, it doesn't lose manifold vacuum 186 00:09:40,040 --> 00:09:42,439 Speaker 1: right away and take away from the vacuum reserve tank 187 00:09:42,920 --> 00:09:46,080 Speaker 1: all right. Or or it's a check valve in the 188 00:09:46,120 --> 00:09:48,720 Speaker 1: event of engine backfire that it won't allow a backfire 189 00:09:48,720 --> 00:09:51,120 Speaker 1: to occur inside the hoses. It's a safety device for 190 00:09:51,200 --> 00:09:53,160 Speaker 1: the system. What I would tell you to do is 191 00:09:53,360 --> 00:09:56,760 Speaker 1: look on that valve. There should be a Ford part 192 00:09:56,880 --> 00:10:00,160 Speaker 1: number F what yours is, truck it will be F 193 00:10:00,320 --> 00:10:04,520 Speaker 1: eight ZF something uh dash for Apple, Bob Baker or 194 00:10:04,559 --> 00:10:07,120 Speaker 1: something like that. Identify the part that way to figure 195 00:10:07,120 --> 00:10:11,320 Speaker 1: out what it is should you have to order another one, okay, 196 00:10:11,360 --> 00:10:13,440 Speaker 1: And I actually do have a number. It is a 197 00:10:13,559 --> 00:10:17,679 Speaker 1: P A like Paul Apple six six, and after that 198 00:10:17,800 --> 00:10:20,920 Speaker 1: is a g F three three. No, that's not a 199 00:10:20,960 --> 00:10:24,000 Speaker 1: Ford number we're looking for. That's that's that might be 200 00:10:24,040 --> 00:10:26,200 Speaker 1: a vendor number. But when you go down to the 201 00:10:26,240 --> 00:10:28,240 Speaker 1: Ford store, take the part down to the Ford store, 202 00:10:28,280 --> 00:10:30,839 Speaker 1: see if they can identify it. It will have it 203 00:10:30,920 --> 00:10:33,120 Speaker 1: should have a Ford part number on it somewhere. I 204 00:10:33,120 --> 00:10:34,920 Speaker 1: think you're looking at a molding number. I've seen that 205 00:10:35,000 --> 00:10:37,880 Speaker 1: p A number before too. It's also sometimes a P B. 206 00:10:38,520 --> 00:10:41,640 Speaker 1: But um, you know you're looking for that. If you 207 00:10:41,760 --> 00:10:45,880 Speaker 1: take that out of the system and run direct vacuum. 208 00:10:45,920 --> 00:10:50,600 Speaker 1: Does the system still lose its charge going uphill? That 209 00:10:50,840 --> 00:10:52,679 Speaker 1: is an excellent thing to try, and that's what I'm 210 00:10:52,679 --> 00:10:56,679 Speaker 1: gonna do. But that's some type of restrictor. Don't leave 211 00:10:56,720 --> 00:11:00,920 Speaker 1: it out on a permanent basis. All right, Tom, all right, well, 212 00:11:00,920 --> 00:11:03,520 Speaker 1: thank thank you very much. You're very welcome. I'm Ron 213 00:11:03,559 --> 00:11:06,960 Speaker 1: and in the card doctor eight five zero nine zero zero. 214 00:11:07,080 --> 00:11:21,520 Speaker 1: We'll be back right after This day is smoke back 215 00:11:26,840 --> 00:11:43,000 Speaker 1: che e, Ron and Nanien. Hey, welcome back, ran the 216 00:11:43,040 --> 00:11:45,559 Speaker 1: car doctor here, let's cruis on over and talk to 217 00:11:45,760 --> 00:11:48,960 Speaker 1: Clyde Lewis and Idaho. Clyde, welcome back with the details 218 00:11:49,000 --> 00:11:51,680 Speaker 1: here one jet O one point eight with a surging 219 00:11:51,720 --> 00:11:55,040 Speaker 1: IDOL last week. What sort of results do we have? Yeah, well, 220 00:11:55,120 --> 00:11:57,400 Speaker 1: you told me to do three things. You said, check 221 00:11:57,440 --> 00:12:00,199 Speaker 1: the holdage between pins three and four on m F 222 00:12:00,280 --> 00:12:03,679 Speaker 1: should be five volts. That's correct. He told me to 223 00:12:03,800 --> 00:12:06,160 Speaker 1: check the voltage on pin two of the m AF 224 00:12:06,320 --> 00:12:09,959 Speaker 1: with the ignition on and the engine off, and then 225 00:12:10,000 --> 00:12:12,760 Speaker 1: with the engine running. With the engine off, you got 226 00:12:13,760 --> 00:12:16,760 Speaker 1: about a quarter of a volt point to eight. With 227 00:12:16,920 --> 00:12:19,640 Speaker 1: it running, you get from one point five to one 228 00:12:19,720 --> 00:12:22,120 Speaker 1: point seven. Okay, wait, wait, wait, went back up there, 229 00:12:22,800 --> 00:12:27,319 Speaker 1: the pin too blue red. The voltage there with the 230 00:12:27,400 --> 00:12:33,920 Speaker 1: engine off was what zero point to eight volts should 231 00:12:33,960 --> 00:12:38,760 Speaker 1: be one point two to one point five. Well, uh, 232 00:12:39,280 --> 00:12:43,000 Speaker 1: that that's what we're found. Yeah, so that's wrong. Um, 233 00:12:43,920 --> 00:12:47,400 Speaker 1: that is an all likelihood a bad mass airflow sensor. 234 00:12:47,800 --> 00:12:49,920 Speaker 1: Now you said you replaced the mass air flow, didn't you. 235 00:12:51,280 --> 00:12:54,360 Speaker 1: I No, I hadn't last week. But this week I 236 00:12:54,440 --> 00:12:56,199 Speaker 1: had another one. I stuck it in there and got 237 00:12:56,240 --> 00:13:02,120 Speaker 1: the same results. M M M. Pin two is a 238 00:13:02,200 --> 00:13:09,000 Speaker 1: blue red, that's right. Yeah. Um, I'm gonna have to 239 00:13:09,040 --> 00:13:12,120 Speaker 1: tell you send me the vent on this car, send 240 00:13:12,160 --> 00:13:15,760 Speaker 1: me the seventeen digit VIN off this car claude something. 241 00:13:15,840 --> 00:13:19,760 Speaker 1: The wiring diagram doesn't match up then, But you know 242 00:13:19,880 --> 00:13:23,559 Speaker 1: pin pin two is always one point two vault and 243 00:13:23,559 --> 00:13:25,760 Speaker 1: a half, because then you're gonna tell me. You check 244 00:13:25,840 --> 00:13:29,640 Speaker 1: the two censor signal and it was okay, right, Well, 245 00:13:31,280 --> 00:13:33,079 Speaker 1: let's see last week I told you I've done the 246 00:13:33,160 --> 00:13:37,400 Speaker 1: torque chest on that, and it seemed like it was 247 00:13:37,480 --> 00:13:43,200 Speaker 1: all right. It varied in the range it's supposed to. Okay. 248 00:13:43,360 --> 00:13:46,480 Speaker 1: I also checked that the CTS was wired correctly to 249 00:13:46,559 --> 00:13:49,360 Speaker 1: the pins to the E C U and that's correct. 250 00:13:50,320 --> 00:13:53,080 Speaker 1: I swopped out the cts. The fact that we've got 251 00:13:53,640 --> 00:13:55,559 Speaker 1: just the fact that we've got a discrepancy on that 252 00:13:55,640 --> 00:14:01,280 Speaker 1: one wire at the mass Air. Something's wrong either either. 253 00:14:02,240 --> 00:14:05,559 Speaker 1: And my notes are pretty accurate. Um, It's been a 254 00:14:05,600 --> 00:14:08,360 Speaker 1: while since I look at the ninety one, but they're 255 00:14:08,400 --> 00:14:10,440 Speaker 1: tried and true. I've got to think my notes are right. 256 00:14:10,480 --> 00:14:13,880 Speaker 1: And something's wrong with the test on your end. Maybe 257 00:14:14,000 --> 00:14:16,440 Speaker 1: I'm looking at the Bentley manual now and it shows 258 00:14:17,000 --> 00:14:19,880 Speaker 1: pin to the blue red going to pin twenty one 259 00:14:20,080 --> 00:14:25,680 Speaker 1: of the e c U And that's that's correct because 260 00:14:25,800 --> 00:14:30,320 Speaker 1: I checked it. Yeah that should Yeah, get me the VN. 261 00:14:30,520 --> 00:14:32,000 Speaker 1: I want to I want to match this up by 262 00:14:32,080 --> 00:14:34,440 Speaker 1: vin the other thing. I was thinking about what this 263 00:14:34,600 --> 00:14:37,880 Speaker 1: car is and I'll don't want to make any assumptions. 264 00:14:38,160 --> 00:14:43,440 Speaker 1: Throttle plate is clean, yeah okay. And the throttle switch works. 265 00:14:44,720 --> 00:14:49,520 Speaker 1: Oh yeah. The throttle switch is closed when uh, when 266 00:14:49,560 --> 00:14:52,560 Speaker 1: it's supposed to be when the when the throttles closed, 267 00:14:52,600 --> 00:14:56,360 Speaker 1: the switch isn't doing what it's supposed to do. Right. 268 00:14:56,960 --> 00:14:59,720 Speaker 1: As soon as you're off off, off, close throttle, the 269 00:14:59,760 --> 00:15:03,560 Speaker 1: swit which goes the other way right, Okay, send me, um, 270 00:15:03,920 --> 00:15:05,480 Speaker 1: send me to send me the vent of this car 271 00:15:05,720 --> 00:15:08,800 Speaker 1: Claude Ron at Car Doctor showed Ron at Car Doctor 272 00:15:08,880 --> 00:15:11,000 Speaker 1: show dot com. Write your results down stick him in 273 00:15:11,040 --> 00:15:14,480 Speaker 1: the email. I'll get back to you midweek. Very good. 274 00:15:14,480 --> 00:15:17,800 Speaker 1: All right, welcome hanging there. We'll fix it. No worries. 275 00:15:18,280 --> 00:15:21,320 Speaker 1: All let's get over to damn Middletown, Connecticut. Dan, what 276 00:15:21,400 --> 00:15:23,240 Speaker 1: do you got here? Can do? Yes? Sir? How can 277 00:15:23,280 --> 00:15:27,880 Speaker 1: I help? Yes, sir? Hey Danny and the car doctor. 278 00:15:27,920 --> 00:15:30,680 Speaker 1: How can I help? Oh? Um, I have a two 279 00:15:30,760 --> 00:15:36,520 Speaker 1: thou eight Dodge Avenger RT three five Leader and uh 280 00:15:38,000 --> 00:15:42,640 Speaker 1: I thought it uh June six this year has fifty 281 00:15:43,080 --> 00:15:48,120 Speaker 1: miles on it, and um, the problem started six weeks 282 00:15:48,400 --> 00:15:50,880 Speaker 1: after I bought it. Um, I got all. I got 283 00:15:51,040 --> 00:15:53,880 Speaker 1: engine lights on. I got the check engine light, the 284 00:15:53,960 --> 00:15:57,040 Speaker 1: A B S light, the engine oil pressure light on. 285 00:15:57,880 --> 00:16:02,520 Speaker 1: And then he broke down all the codes and there 286 00:16:02,560 --> 00:16:06,960 Speaker 1: were seven teen codes. And then I cleared him and 287 00:16:07,120 --> 00:16:12,920 Speaker 1: then and then I get only two engine lights on. 288 00:16:13,320 --> 00:16:18,320 Speaker 1: And it's sometimes it won't start in part, but it 289 00:16:18,400 --> 00:16:21,680 Speaker 1: will start in neutral. So when I get it started, 290 00:16:22,240 --> 00:16:26,080 Speaker 1: I get the The only engine light that I get 291 00:16:26,200 --> 00:16:31,160 Speaker 1: are the are the oil pressure light and the check 292 00:16:31,280 --> 00:16:34,120 Speaker 1: engine light. Well, yeah, I'm not I'm not so much 293 00:16:34,120 --> 00:16:37,360 Speaker 1: worried about the lights the seventeen codes. Have any of 294 00:16:37,440 --> 00:16:43,960 Speaker 1: those returned? Uh no? Uh well yeah, there's not all 295 00:16:44,040 --> 00:16:46,800 Speaker 1: of them. Most of them are the pretty insignificant. There's 296 00:16:46,840 --> 00:16:50,480 Speaker 1: no no misfire codes. I have the descriptions of all 297 00:16:50,560 --> 00:16:53,200 Speaker 1: of them. Well, and I'm not I'm not thinking you're 298 00:16:53,200 --> 00:16:55,560 Speaker 1: gonna have a misfire fault. I'm thinking more of what 299 00:16:55,640 --> 00:16:58,160 Speaker 1: you're gonna tell me is somewhere here we've got a 300 00:16:58,200 --> 00:17:01,000 Speaker 1: communication folter, Are you using a handheld O B D 301 00:17:01,120 --> 00:17:06,320 Speaker 1: two scanner? Yes? Okay, a problem like this, My advice 302 00:17:06,520 --> 00:17:08,840 Speaker 1: is the only thing that's really gonna work is using 303 00:17:08,880 --> 00:17:11,680 Speaker 1: a manufacturer specific models, something that can go in your 304 00:17:11,720 --> 00:17:14,720 Speaker 1: make model, because I want to go and look for 305 00:17:14,880 --> 00:17:20,440 Speaker 1: communication faults between modules. It almost did have somebody have 306 00:17:20,600 --> 00:17:22,880 Speaker 1: one where you can put in the year and make 307 00:17:23,040 --> 00:17:28,840 Speaker 1: yeah okay, um, no communication fault codes here, Yeah, there is. 308 00:17:29,160 --> 00:17:33,840 Speaker 1: There is. There's a high speed can communication bus code 309 00:17:34,400 --> 00:17:40,960 Speaker 1: right right, there's a communication bus performance code and there's 310 00:17:41,040 --> 00:17:46,320 Speaker 1: a lost communication with body control module there it is. Yeah, Yeah, 311 00:17:46,520 --> 00:17:49,280 Speaker 1: that's that's the code. Those are the codes you want 312 00:17:49,320 --> 00:17:51,760 Speaker 1: to pay attention to. That's what you want to go 313 00:17:51,880 --> 00:17:55,000 Speaker 1: and chase because what it sounds like, it sounds like 314 00:17:55,200 --> 00:17:59,640 Speaker 1: something is losing communication ability with the other and consequently 315 00:17:59,680 --> 00:18:02,240 Speaker 1: it's a slew of false code. Send you down the 316 00:18:02,320 --> 00:18:05,520 Speaker 1: merry path. What I would tell you to do is 317 00:18:05,920 --> 00:18:10,959 Speaker 1: disconnect the battery cables. Jump for them together. All right, 318 00:18:11,280 --> 00:18:13,560 Speaker 1: did you touch the two battery cables together for thirty 319 00:18:13,680 --> 00:18:18,480 Speaker 1: thirty to sixty seconds? Okay, lead everything out, make sure 320 00:18:18,560 --> 00:18:20,600 Speaker 1: the cables when they go back on are clean and tight. 321 00:18:21,680 --> 00:18:24,680 Speaker 1: Start it back up. See what codes come back, and 322 00:18:24,760 --> 00:18:28,159 Speaker 1: then let's begin that conversation next week. What is that 323 00:18:28,280 --> 00:18:31,800 Speaker 1: to try and reboot? Let's try and reboot the computer system. 324 00:18:31,840 --> 00:18:33,760 Speaker 1: Even if you left it tied together like that for 325 00:18:34,600 --> 00:18:36,880 Speaker 1: five minutes, it'll help that much more. But that's where 326 00:18:36,920 --> 00:18:38,760 Speaker 1: we're gonna go, and then call me back next week, 327 00:18:39,040 --> 00:18:40,760 Speaker 1: give me some codes and we'll talk about it. Then. 328 00:18:40,840 --> 00:18:42,600 Speaker 1: All right, sir, I'm runing any of the car doctor 329 00:18:42,640 --> 00:18:57,359 Speaker 1: We're back right after this. Hey, run any of the 330 00:18:57,440 --> 00:19:02,160 Speaker 1: car doctor rolling along the Saturday zero give us a call. 331 00:19:02,280 --> 00:19:04,560 Speaker 1: Let's fix your problem. Let's get together and talk about it. 332 00:19:04,800 --> 00:19:06,440 Speaker 1: Let's get on over and talk about it with Gordon 333 00:19:06,520 --> 00:19:10,199 Speaker 1: down in Lakeland, Florida. Caravan Gordon welcome to the car doctor, sir, 334 00:19:10,280 --> 00:19:12,400 Speaker 1: How can I help? Hey, thank you Ron for taking 335 00:19:12,480 --> 00:19:16,560 Speaker 1: my call. Anyhow, my station is kind of odd. It 336 00:19:16,800 --> 00:19:19,080 Speaker 1: um the back when she'll whip her. It has a 337 00:19:19,160 --> 00:19:22,960 Speaker 1: back win she'll whip her. It Um occasionally will try 338 00:19:23,040 --> 00:19:25,280 Speaker 1: to come on, and there's nothing I can do to 339 00:19:25,320 --> 00:19:26,920 Speaker 1: turn it off. I twist all the knobs and I 340 00:19:27,000 --> 00:19:30,239 Speaker 1: look all around like a maniac. And when it does 341 00:19:30,359 --> 00:19:32,399 Speaker 1: try to come on, it acts like it's jammed or 342 00:19:32,520 --> 00:19:36,359 Speaker 1: something where the motor is pushing against something. But it 343 00:19:36,480 --> 00:19:39,440 Speaker 1: only does that sometimes. But when it doesn't come on, 344 00:19:40,200 --> 00:19:42,120 Speaker 1: I can't do anything to turn it on. I mean, 345 00:19:42,560 --> 00:19:44,400 Speaker 1: it turns on when it wants to, and it turns 346 00:19:44,440 --> 00:19:47,200 Speaker 1: off when it wants to. Maybe maybe there was something 347 00:19:47,320 --> 00:19:51,480 Speaker 1: that U shorted to switch on and and burn it out. 348 00:19:51,520 --> 00:19:56,360 Speaker 1: I'm just guessing. Well, there's there's, there's there's three components. Here. 349 00:19:56,400 --> 00:20:00,840 Speaker 1: There's there's the real wiper motor, there's the real wiper switch, 350 00:20:01,920 --> 00:20:05,640 Speaker 1: and then and here's the biggie. There's the rear wiper 351 00:20:05,720 --> 00:20:11,159 Speaker 1: control module inside the lift gate door. All right, the 352 00:20:11,280 --> 00:20:15,520 Speaker 1: electronic module was prone to failure and to do erratic things, 353 00:20:15,600 --> 00:20:18,480 Speaker 1: just like you're describing. Um, what I would tell you 354 00:20:18,600 --> 00:20:20,920 Speaker 1: to do, depending on how serious you are about fixing, 355 00:20:20,960 --> 00:20:23,520 Speaker 1: and I'm not saying you're not. Um. The first question 356 00:20:23,600 --> 00:20:25,200 Speaker 1: I would do is I would talk to Chrysler. I 357 00:20:25,240 --> 00:20:29,040 Speaker 1: would find out what's available switch, module, motor. I'm thinking 358 00:20:29,080 --> 00:20:32,800 Speaker 1: the motor still available. I'm guessing that the module no 359 00:20:33,000 --> 00:20:36,119 Speaker 1: longer is, and you may be able to find the switch. 360 00:20:36,280 --> 00:20:38,760 Speaker 1: But that's a question unto itself. And my point is 361 00:20:39,280 --> 00:20:42,880 Speaker 1: that if that module is not available to go through 362 00:20:42,920 --> 00:20:46,160 Speaker 1: the trouble of pulling the back panel down and having 363 00:20:46,200 --> 00:20:48,440 Speaker 1: access to that module, should it start to wipe and 364 00:20:48,520 --> 00:20:50,760 Speaker 1: do it? You know, do its mystery ghost dance again. 365 00:20:51,680 --> 00:20:54,679 Speaker 1: I would want to be there with a voultmeter looking 366 00:20:54,880 --> 00:20:58,359 Speaker 1: at the pin requests going on in and out of 367 00:20:58,400 --> 00:21:02,520 Speaker 1: that module. You're down to you. I took electronic college 368 00:21:02,560 --> 00:21:05,240 Speaker 1: and I got straight a's. I can find a motor 369 00:21:05,320 --> 00:21:08,080 Speaker 1: and a wiper that work. I'm thinking of maybe just 370 00:21:08,400 --> 00:21:10,480 Speaker 1: if I get time and money, just straight wiring it 371 00:21:10,560 --> 00:21:13,400 Speaker 1: and running a switch up to running the switch from 372 00:21:13,400 --> 00:21:16,600 Speaker 1: the battery to wherever, and I'm just wiring it to 373 00:21:16,680 --> 00:21:19,720 Speaker 1: come on and off when I want? Why not? Yeah? 374 00:21:19,760 --> 00:21:22,359 Speaker 1: Why not? Yeah? Sure? Why not just bypass the module? 375 00:21:22,359 --> 00:21:23,640 Speaker 1: If that's what you want to do. Now you gotta 376 00:21:23,720 --> 00:21:25,920 Speaker 1: now you got to incorporate a washer circuit, and you 377 00:21:26,000 --> 00:21:28,240 Speaker 1: gotta be careful because at the rate you're going, you're 378 00:21:28,240 --> 00:21:32,040 Speaker 1: gonna rewire half the car. So it's it's never it's 379 00:21:32,119 --> 00:21:35,720 Speaker 1: it's never that simple. But if if I was a 380 00:21:35,800 --> 00:21:38,399 Speaker 1: betting man boarding, I would tell you to very closely 381 00:21:38,440 --> 00:21:40,920 Speaker 1: if you've got the electronics degree, I would just take 382 00:21:41,000 --> 00:21:43,320 Speaker 1: a very close look at that wiper module inside the 383 00:21:43,359 --> 00:21:45,959 Speaker 1: lift gate because that's probably where the fault is. They 384 00:21:46,000 --> 00:21:48,280 Speaker 1: were they were to relay that all it is. No, 385 00:21:48,359 --> 00:21:53,840 Speaker 1: it's a printed circuit board. It's got a little electronics um. 386 00:21:54,680 --> 00:21:57,280 Speaker 1: Sometimes it's simpler to just go out and get a 387 00:21:57,320 --> 00:21:59,800 Speaker 1: new one. When sometimes getting to the wires, I re 388 00:22:00,000 --> 00:22:03,040 Speaker 1: wire the inside lighting, the interior lives and that that 389 00:22:03,160 --> 00:22:05,000 Speaker 1: part was easy, but getting to the wires and putting 390 00:22:05,040 --> 00:22:07,520 Speaker 1: them in was a real headache. Well yeah, and like 391 00:22:07,680 --> 00:22:11,240 Speaker 1: I said, if that module, if that module is still available, 392 00:22:11,640 --> 00:22:14,320 Speaker 1: that's a that's a whole another question unto itself. Gordon, 393 00:22:14,440 --> 00:22:16,240 Speaker 1: I wish your luck. If you need any more help, 394 00:22:16,280 --> 00:22:17,399 Speaker 1: you know where to find us. And if you do 395 00:22:17,520 --> 00:22:20,080 Speaker 1: find that module, and so I'll just let us know 396 00:22:20,160 --> 00:22:22,359 Speaker 1: that too. We're always here for you down there in Lakeland, Florida. 397 00:22:22,440 --> 00:22:24,800 Speaker 1: Let's go talk to Joe Nanuet, New York. Joe, Welcome 398 00:22:24,800 --> 00:22:29,119 Speaker 1: to the car doctor, Sir, How can I help us 399 00:22:29,240 --> 00:22:36,960 Speaker 1: to get your answers to the stable right left sun 400 00:22:38,280 --> 00:22:42,920 Speaker 1: strut and spring assembly. The spring broke went through to 401 00:22:43,119 --> 00:22:47,040 Speaker 1: tire and I would try to replace it by apart 402 00:22:48,200 --> 00:22:54,040 Speaker 1: and I can't see the locate right land strut assembly. 403 00:22:55,000 --> 00:22:56,640 Speaker 1: What do you mean you can't locate the right lane 404 00:22:58,720 --> 00:23:02,080 Speaker 1: A part stealer, right? Well? I ordered them from ay 405 00:23:02,160 --> 00:23:05,200 Speaker 1: one first, my son ordered them for me. They can 406 00:23:05,800 --> 00:23:12,280 Speaker 1: and they measured like you're talking about height right okay, 407 00:23:12,560 --> 00:23:16,359 Speaker 1: and to the bottom. So I sent them back and 408 00:23:16,480 --> 00:23:19,560 Speaker 1: I checked around and around, and the best I could 409 00:23:19,600 --> 00:23:24,399 Speaker 1: come up with is one which is still tough to 410 00:23:24,520 --> 00:23:28,800 Speaker 1: get in. But a spect on the mind Rose say 411 00:23:28,880 --> 00:23:33,760 Speaker 1: it's nineteen, but I can't go by that. I come 412 00:23:33,840 --> 00:23:39,639 Speaker 1: to the conclusion that every one, every manufact is roughly 413 00:23:41,280 --> 00:23:45,560 Speaker 1: when you're when you're measuring the height, Joe, you're measuring 414 00:23:45,640 --> 00:23:47,800 Speaker 1: from what to what? You're measuring from the tip of 415 00:23:47,840 --> 00:23:51,080 Speaker 1: the strut to the bottom of the strut. I know 416 00:23:51,480 --> 00:23:57,000 Speaker 1: I'm measuring it from the flames with the three studs 417 00:23:57,080 --> 00:24:01,280 Speaker 1: that go up to the fender to the bottom of 418 00:24:01,359 --> 00:24:07,879 Speaker 1: the strut. Okay, now my problem is I have to 419 00:24:08,000 --> 00:24:11,160 Speaker 1: think conflicting things how to get it in. You try 420 00:24:11,240 --> 00:24:13,400 Speaker 1: it down as much as you can, you can't wake 421 00:24:13,480 --> 00:24:18,560 Speaker 1: it enough. They say this, uh connect sub assembly, which 422 00:24:18,680 --> 00:24:22,879 Speaker 1: I really don't want to do because dnngine everything is 423 00:24:23,080 --> 00:24:25,680 Speaker 1: cooked to that. So your problem is actually getting the 424 00:24:25,760 --> 00:24:28,240 Speaker 1: strut in the car. It's not the height because you're 425 00:24:28,440 --> 00:24:32,119 Speaker 1: you're trying to clear it over the knuckle right because 426 00:24:32,160 --> 00:24:34,800 Speaker 1: it's a split knuckle. There's a pinch ball back there 427 00:24:34,800 --> 00:24:37,520 Speaker 1: and you have to get it down really low in 428 00:24:37,680 --> 00:24:43,280 Speaker 1: order to gain clearance right. Otherwise on bottoms out and 429 00:24:43,400 --> 00:24:46,240 Speaker 1: it's as far as it can go. I'm still like 430 00:24:46,960 --> 00:24:50,639 Speaker 1: the winches away. Then I'm going to tell you that 431 00:24:50,880 --> 00:24:55,080 Speaker 1: as long as the structs are proper by application, it's 432 00:24:55,400 --> 00:24:59,080 Speaker 1: it's not the struct manufacturer, it's your method of installation. 433 00:25:00,880 --> 00:25:03,160 Speaker 1: And yeah you might you might have to on bolt 434 00:25:03,240 --> 00:25:06,159 Speaker 1: that lower control arm and wedge it in and then 435 00:25:06,280 --> 00:25:08,240 Speaker 1: bolted in before you bolt the rest of the strut. 436 00:25:08,320 --> 00:25:10,920 Speaker 1: And I have fought with those, but now understand I'm 437 00:25:10,920 --> 00:25:12,640 Speaker 1: doing it on a lift four feet in the air, 438 00:25:14,520 --> 00:25:16,320 Speaker 1: and I've got a three foot pride bar at the shop. 439 00:25:16,400 --> 00:25:18,920 Speaker 1: I can make anything fit. Well, I've got a six 440 00:25:18,960 --> 00:25:24,800 Speaker 1: foot fide board. But you're on the ground. Um, here's 441 00:25:24,880 --> 00:25:26,760 Speaker 1: here's the question I've got. If you take your if 442 00:25:26,800 --> 00:25:29,199 Speaker 1: you take your old strut out and line it up 443 00:25:29,240 --> 00:25:31,960 Speaker 1: with the new strut, are the physical dimensions the same? 444 00:25:32,119 --> 00:25:36,520 Speaker 1: Is the spatiality the same between between where that pinch 445 00:25:36,600 --> 00:25:40,160 Speaker 1: bolt sits in the bottom of the strut, the lower 446 00:25:40,280 --> 00:25:43,400 Speaker 1: perch and the top struct mount. And keep in mind 447 00:25:43,480 --> 00:25:46,640 Speaker 1: your struts also fifteen years old and it's been beat 448 00:25:46,720 --> 00:25:48,520 Speaker 1: up by New York roads, So it's gonna be a 449 00:25:48,600 --> 00:25:51,640 Speaker 1: little bit more compressed in certain areas. I'm not saying 450 00:25:51,680 --> 00:25:53,959 Speaker 1: it's overall length is going to be different, but it's 451 00:25:54,000 --> 00:25:57,160 Speaker 1: gonna be a little bit more compressed in spring area, 452 00:25:57,320 --> 00:25:59,359 Speaker 1: and then in the area between the seat and the 453 00:25:59,440 --> 00:26:03,080 Speaker 1: top of the strut. Right, I've never seen this or 454 00:26:03,160 --> 00:26:06,400 Speaker 1: had this as a problem, So I've got to think 455 00:26:06,440 --> 00:26:08,560 Speaker 1: it's something in the way you're either measuring or something 456 00:26:08,600 --> 00:26:11,880 Speaker 1: in the way you're installing. Trust me, if if if 457 00:26:11,960 --> 00:26:15,119 Speaker 1: strutt manufacturers were making them all the wrong length, and 458 00:26:15,200 --> 00:26:17,800 Speaker 1: again you wanted my answer, I'm gonna give it to you. 459 00:26:18,400 --> 00:26:21,240 Speaker 1: If strut manufacturers were making them all the wrong length, 460 00:26:21,960 --> 00:26:24,840 Speaker 1: there's more than a few two thousand two Mercury Sable 461 00:26:24,880 --> 00:26:28,480 Speaker 1: and four tour same car out on the road. I 462 00:26:28,520 --> 00:26:30,240 Speaker 1: would have been getting a lot more phone calls a 463 00:26:30,320 --> 00:26:36,399 Speaker 1: lot sooner than this. It's it's fifteen years ago, you know. 464 00:26:36,960 --> 00:26:38,520 Speaker 1: So you've got to take a look at how you're 465 00:26:38,560 --> 00:26:41,399 Speaker 1: installing that. I will tell you that when I do this, 466 00:26:41,520 --> 00:26:43,840 Speaker 1: I always both the strutting at the top first, which 467 00:26:43,840 --> 00:26:47,760 Speaker 1: I'm sure you're doing all right, and then I will 468 00:26:47,840 --> 00:26:50,879 Speaker 1: get it down low, line it up and sort of 469 00:26:51,000 --> 00:26:55,400 Speaker 1: cannon lever the two together and it just pops in well. 470 00:26:55,720 --> 00:26:58,640 Speaker 1: And my problem is I could bend the knuckle over 471 00:26:59,240 --> 00:27:02,760 Speaker 1: until it hits stay universe and join on a hack 472 00:27:03,560 --> 00:27:06,680 Speaker 1: and I'm down as far as I can and I'm 473 00:27:06,720 --> 00:27:10,000 Speaker 1: still like winches. So something else? Are you? Are you 474 00:27:10,160 --> 00:27:13,800 Speaker 1: on bolting the ball joint from the lower portion of 475 00:27:13,840 --> 00:27:17,800 Speaker 1: the knuckle. I haven't done it yet, but I assume 476 00:27:17,920 --> 00:27:21,280 Speaker 1: that that would help. Yeah, that would help. That's what 477 00:27:21,359 --> 00:27:24,040 Speaker 1: you're fighting. Because the distance from the top of the 478 00:27:24,160 --> 00:27:26,080 Speaker 1: stud of the ball joined to the top of the 479 00:27:26,160 --> 00:27:30,359 Speaker 1: knuckle is two inches two and a half inches versus 480 00:27:30,800 --> 00:27:33,560 Speaker 1: the four inches you're trying to compress it to clear 481 00:27:33,600 --> 00:27:37,120 Speaker 1: the strut back into the knuckle. Right, that's the difference. 482 00:27:38,200 --> 00:27:40,480 Speaker 1: So it's not that the strut is too long. The 483 00:27:40,680 --> 00:27:42,800 Speaker 1: distance is too long and you've got to offset it 484 00:27:42,880 --> 00:27:48,040 Speaker 1: going the other way in one's probably the right distance, 485 00:27:48,200 --> 00:27:53,120 Speaker 1: but would never fit well. And again I'm not gonna 486 00:27:53,200 --> 00:27:55,240 Speaker 1: argue no, no, I'd have to see. I'd have to 487 00:27:55,320 --> 00:27:58,160 Speaker 1: line them up to see how they you know, what's 488 00:27:58,280 --> 00:28:01,040 Speaker 1: what's one version of what's you know, what are the 489 00:28:01,080 --> 00:28:05,240 Speaker 1: distances between the critical points. Keep keep in mind too 490 00:28:05,359 --> 00:28:07,080 Speaker 1: that you know, you've got to be careful with some 491 00:28:07,160 --> 00:28:10,200 Speaker 1: of the aftermarket struts. A lot of them are Chinese junks, 492 00:28:10,240 --> 00:28:14,760 Speaker 1: so you want to make sure of what you're buying. Well, well, 493 00:28:16,640 --> 00:28:18,800 Speaker 1: well Monroe is a good struck as long as long 494 00:28:18,840 --> 00:28:22,280 Speaker 1: as it's Monroe. UM. I would look at Monroe. I 495 00:28:22,320 --> 00:28:25,800 Speaker 1: would take a look at Um. I would talk to them. 496 00:28:25,800 --> 00:28:28,520 Speaker 1: I would see what motorcraft has, just for giggles and 497 00:28:28,680 --> 00:28:34,360 Speaker 1: just just you know what they say they're useless. Well, 498 00:28:34,880 --> 00:28:38,640 Speaker 1: they tell me they at eleven different springs and they 499 00:28:38,720 --> 00:28:41,800 Speaker 1: don't know what sprinks give me. And then I said, well, 500 00:28:41,880 --> 00:28:46,239 Speaker 1: what about well, the reason they the reason they tell 501 00:28:46,280 --> 00:28:49,080 Speaker 1: you there's eleven different springs, Joe, is because the car 502 00:28:49,240 --> 00:28:52,720 Speaker 1: probably had options for suspension and different spring rate. There's 503 00:28:52,760 --> 00:28:54,920 Speaker 1: a tag on that old spring that if he gave 504 00:28:55,000 --> 00:28:58,520 Speaker 1: them that tag number, I know it should be exactly right, 505 00:28:59,000 --> 00:29:00,960 Speaker 1: it would give you. Now, the cost is going to 506 00:29:01,040 --> 00:29:03,480 Speaker 1: be more. But if you're looking to maintain the ride quality, 507 00:29:03,920 --> 00:29:06,440 Speaker 1: then you know Fords the way to go. If not 508 00:29:06,960 --> 00:29:08,840 Speaker 1: use Monroe. But I'm both the bottom portion of the 509 00:29:08,920 --> 00:29:10,960 Speaker 1: knuckle and that'll do it for you. Ate five five 510 00:29:11,040 --> 00:29:13,040 Speaker 1: five six zero nine nine zero zero. The car doctor 511 00:29:13,080 --> 00:29:26,040 Speaker 1: is coming back right after this razing. That's no place 512 00:29:26,160 --> 00:29:42,240 Speaker 1: to go. It's hey, go go go run on any 513 00:29:42,240 --> 00:29:43,760 Speaker 1: of the car doctor on the go this hour and 514 00:29:44,040 --> 00:29:46,320 Speaker 1: five five five zero nine nine zero zero. It's gotta 515 00:29:46,360 --> 00:29:47,840 Speaker 1: be it's like a full moon show. There must be 516 00:29:47,880 --> 00:29:49,880 Speaker 1: a full moon coming up. I've come to that conclusion. 517 00:29:50,360 --> 00:29:53,440 Speaker 1: Just what a rough hour. Holy account. Let's uh, let's 518 00:29:53,480 --> 00:29:55,080 Speaker 1: motor run down the road here. Let's go talk to 519 00:29:55,200 --> 00:29:58,800 Speaker 1: Richard Milford, Connecticut. See what's going on Toyota Highland. Richard, 520 00:29:58,840 --> 00:30:00,080 Speaker 1: how can I help you? Sir? Run on Ny? That 521 00:30:00,160 --> 00:30:03,000 Speaker 1: your service? Hey? Run, how you doing what's going on 522 00:30:03,800 --> 00:30:08,360 Speaker 1: this tander three V six UM coming back from a 523 00:30:09,000 --> 00:30:11,840 Speaker 1: way for the weekend, about ten miles from home. The 524 00:30:11,960 --> 00:30:15,080 Speaker 1: check engine light comes on. I pulled the code on it. 525 00:30:15,240 --> 00:30:21,000 Speaker 1: It was T zero zero fifteen UM. Shortly after pulling 526 00:30:21,000 --> 00:30:23,680 Speaker 1: the code, the light went off. It's been off ever since. UM. 527 00:30:23,760 --> 00:30:27,200 Speaker 1: The only other thing was the traction control system light 528 00:30:27,280 --> 00:30:30,000 Speaker 1: came on saying the traction was off along with the 529 00:30:30,080 --> 00:30:32,000 Speaker 1: check engine light, and that went off when the light 530 00:30:32,040 --> 00:30:35,160 Speaker 1: went off. The nonsense and the reason they do that. Toyota, 531 00:30:35,240 --> 00:30:37,000 Speaker 1: like a lot of the manufacturers, if it sets an 532 00:30:37,040 --> 00:30:41,080 Speaker 1: engine FAULD code, they'll limit operation of vehicle stability control, 533 00:30:41,640 --> 00:30:45,360 Speaker 1: traction control systems ABS, whatever your name to jur is, 534 00:30:45,840 --> 00:30:48,520 Speaker 1: so that that's normal fixed to PCM fault and you'll 535 00:30:48,720 --> 00:30:52,120 Speaker 1: an all likelihood because the VSC or the A B 536 00:30:52,360 --> 00:30:54,160 Speaker 1: S or any other lights to go off as well, 537 00:30:54,680 --> 00:30:57,240 Speaker 1: so the first focus becomes check engine. They always do that. 538 00:30:57,360 --> 00:31:00,760 Speaker 1: They limit operation of other hang ons systems if you will, 539 00:31:01,200 --> 00:31:03,800 Speaker 1: based on what the PCM is reporting, and you had 540 00:31:03,840 --> 00:31:09,480 Speaker 1: a what fault code it was zero zero, So p 541 00:31:09,680 --> 00:31:14,760 Speaker 1: double O fifteen is the variable valve timing. Solenoid UM 542 00:31:15,640 --> 00:31:18,720 Speaker 1: is creating a problem at saying that the camshaft position 543 00:31:19,600 --> 00:31:22,720 Speaker 1: is over retarded on bank one. So what they're doing 544 00:31:22,840 --> 00:31:24,360 Speaker 1: is they're back in the old days when we were 545 00:31:24,400 --> 00:31:25,920 Speaker 1: hot rotters need to take the front of the engine 546 00:31:25,960 --> 00:31:28,600 Speaker 1: apart and we would offset the key way to advance 547 00:31:28,680 --> 00:31:31,720 Speaker 1: or retard the cam mechanically, depending upon you know, the 548 00:31:31,840 --> 00:31:36,280 Speaker 1: racing application. Now they're now they're doing that mechanically, I'm sorry, electronically. 549 00:31:37,000 --> 00:31:39,960 Speaker 1: So what they're saying is they've commanded it to go 550 00:31:40,200 --> 00:31:42,400 Speaker 1: back to go to a position and then they're not 551 00:31:42,560 --> 00:31:45,560 Speaker 1: seeing it respond. They're not seeing it hit that position. 552 00:31:46,200 --> 00:31:48,960 Speaker 1: So that's what v VT is, variable valve timing. It 553 00:31:49,720 --> 00:31:53,720 Speaker 1: it's constantly changing based on engine load, demand and so forth. 554 00:31:54,560 --> 00:31:59,360 Speaker 1: So what's common They do have issues with the actual 555 00:32:00,320 --> 00:32:04,240 Speaker 1: with the actual actuator itself. There's a bulletin out from Toyota. 556 00:32:04,280 --> 00:32:08,960 Speaker 1: You got a penhandy, take a look. Take a look 557 00:32:08,960 --> 00:32:11,640 Speaker 1: at Toyota Technical bullet in double oh ninety four Day 558 00:32:11,720 --> 00:32:14,480 Speaker 1: Show nine. It's been out there since March of two 559 00:32:14,560 --> 00:32:18,880 Speaker 1: thousand nine, and it references uh P double O fourteen 560 00:32:18,960 --> 00:32:22,920 Speaker 1: fift and a couple others, and they talk about if 561 00:32:22,920 --> 00:32:25,440 Speaker 1: you've got that light on and or a ticking noise 562 00:32:25,520 --> 00:32:29,240 Speaker 1: out of the engine on an intermittent basis. They take 563 00:32:29,280 --> 00:32:32,520 Speaker 1: you through a test procedure I how to determine itt Um. 564 00:32:32,600 --> 00:32:34,440 Speaker 1: I've had a few of these go through the shop myself. 565 00:32:34,560 --> 00:32:36,600 Speaker 1: Both of them been under extended warranty. They're going back 566 00:32:36,640 --> 00:32:40,160 Speaker 1: to the dealer and getting done. My feeling and I 567 00:32:40,280 --> 00:32:43,840 Speaker 1: can't prove this by any scientific method yet, but what 568 00:32:43,920 --> 00:32:46,480 Speaker 1: I've noticed is it seems like it's happening more on 569 00:32:46,560 --> 00:32:51,000 Speaker 1: the vehicles that are following. Watch this. The manufacturer's oil 570 00:32:51,080 --> 00:32:56,000 Speaker 1: change interval, like you know the five, the six, the 571 00:32:56,080 --> 00:32:58,320 Speaker 1: ten thousand mile interval that you never need to change 572 00:32:58,360 --> 00:33:01,320 Speaker 1: the oil and the particulate builds up over time. Typically 573 00:33:01,400 --> 00:33:03,600 Speaker 1: it happens in the forty to fifty thousand mile range, 574 00:33:03,640 --> 00:33:05,520 Speaker 1: which makes you kind of snap your neck because you go, 575 00:33:05,640 --> 00:33:07,920 Speaker 1: really fifty tho miles and already I've got a problem. 576 00:33:08,480 --> 00:33:12,479 Speaker 1: How many miles? Yeah? There you go? Um what's your 577 00:33:12,520 --> 00:33:16,760 Speaker 1: oil change interval? Just out of curiosity? Ten? Um? I 578 00:33:16,920 --> 00:33:20,600 Speaker 1: do I do five? Or six? Right? Yeah? With synthetic? 579 00:33:20,760 --> 00:33:23,680 Speaker 1: Tried doing four and uh, you know, if the light 580 00:33:23,720 --> 00:33:25,280 Speaker 1: comes back on, I would tell you. I would tell 581 00:33:25,320 --> 00:33:26,760 Speaker 1: you the short and the oil change interval up a 582 00:33:26,760 --> 00:33:28,200 Speaker 1: little bit if you curious to see what the inside 583 00:33:28,200 --> 00:33:29,600 Speaker 1: of the engine looks like, how clean it is. It 584 00:33:29,600 --> 00:33:32,440 Speaker 1: could just be a bad actuator too, But get your 585 00:33:32,480 --> 00:33:35,680 Speaker 1: hands on that TSB and you probably need that actuator. 586 00:33:35,760 --> 00:33:38,600 Speaker 1: It's probably going to happen again, and it will lead 587 00:33:38,640 --> 00:33:41,719 Speaker 1: you down to that diagnostic point, all right, sir? I mean, 588 00:33:42,000 --> 00:33:44,040 Speaker 1: should I wait for them to light to come back? Honest, 589 00:33:44,040 --> 00:33:47,120 Speaker 1: I go see Toyota first. Well, i'd probably go see 590 00:33:47,160 --> 00:33:49,120 Speaker 1: Toyota first and explain it to them. Of course, if 591 00:33:49,120 --> 00:33:50,720 Speaker 1: the light's not on, there's not much they're gonna be 592 00:33:50,720 --> 00:33:52,240 Speaker 1: able to do for you. They're gonna take you through that, 593 00:33:52,560 --> 00:33:54,520 Speaker 1: you know. If the light's not there, we can't do anything. 594 00:33:55,080 --> 00:33:57,000 Speaker 1: But it doesn't hurt to get it on record. Just 595 00:33:57,080 --> 00:33:59,000 Speaker 1: be careful. They'll probably end up charging you for you 596 00:33:59,320 --> 00:34:01,600 Speaker 1: unless you have tended warranty since the light's not on 597 00:34:01,680 --> 00:34:04,040 Speaker 1: at this particular moment. If anything else, Rich, you know 598 00:34:04,080 --> 00:34:07,720 Speaker 1: where to find me. Eight zero gotta go. I'm up 599 00:34:07,720 --> 00:34:10,120 Speaker 1: against the clock and I'll talk to you again. I'm 600 00:34:10,160 --> 00:34:12,040 Speaker 1: run a nating in the car. Doctor back right after this. 601 00:34:31,160 --> 00:34:38,920 Speaker 1: What this car is automatic, it's systematic, it's hard, dramatic, 602 00:34:40,960 --> 00:34:49,160 Speaker 1: what's breest lightning, get some four Welcome back. Weren't any 603 00:34:49,160 --> 00:34:50,839 Speaker 1: of the car Doctor here? As we wind things down 604 00:34:50,960 --> 00:34:52,719 Speaker 1: this hour, there's another hour of Car Doctor and to 605 00:34:52,760 --> 00:34:54,439 Speaker 1: come by the way if you're an affiliate, that takes 606 00:34:54,480 --> 00:34:57,960 Speaker 1: both hours. Quick comment from Tony Amelia, retired police retired 607 00:34:58,040 --> 00:35:01,120 Speaker 1: Chicago police officer and the Amilio sent me an article 608 00:35:01,120 --> 00:35:03,720 Speaker 1: about self driving cars. He says, ron f y about 609 00:35:03,719 --> 00:35:06,160 Speaker 1: self driving cars. Your comments on the subject or spot on, 610 00:35:06,239 --> 00:35:09,480 Speaker 1: say hi to the boys, stay safe, Tony Amelia, park Ridge, Illinois. 611 00:35:09,480 --> 00:35:12,239 Speaker 1: We appreciate that, Tony Um. The article goes on is 612 00:35:12,280 --> 00:35:14,920 Speaker 1: out of Chicago Tribune on Sunday seven thirty one. It 613 00:35:15,000 --> 00:35:17,200 Speaker 1: talks about self driving cars and the risk to self 614 00:35:17,280 --> 00:35:19,320 Speaker 1: driving cars is really you. That's the whole point of 615 00:35:19,360 --> 00:35:22,200 Speaker 1: the story. The driver, the human brain, the article states, 616 00:35:22,239 --> 00:35:25,080 Speaker 1: continually seeks stimulation. If the mind isn't engaged, it will 617 00:35:25,120 --> 00:35:27,879 Speaker 1: wander until it finds something more interesting to think about. 618 00:35:27,920 --> 00:35:30,080 Speaker 1: The more reliable the system, the more you like, more 619 00:35:30,200 --> 00:35:33,239 Speaker 1: likely it is that attention will wane. Automakers are in 620 00:35:33,280 --> 00:35:37,480 Speaker 1: the process of adding increasingly automated systems that effectively drive 621 00:35:37,560 --> 00:35:40,440 Speaker 1: cars in summer most circumstances. But still require the drivers 622 00:35:40,480 --> 00:35:44,000 Speaker 1: a backup in case the vehicle encounters a situation anticipated 623 00:35:44,040 --> 00:35:47,320 Speaker 1: by its engineers. That's kind of scary, right, technology is 624 00:35:47,320 --> 00:35:49,120 Speaker 1: gonna drag us to the brink of automation, and then 625 00:35:49,160 --> 00:35:51,800 Speaker 1: we've got to count on the engineer that he didn't fail, 626 00:35:51,880 --> 00:35:55,520 Speaker 1: that he did his homework, that he didn't have a 627 00:35:55,600 --> 00:35:58,680 Speaker 1: problem and a software glitch that puts us at peril 628 00:35:58,760 --> 00:36:01,359 Speaker 1: and risk. And the article then goes on to talk 629 00:36:01,400 --> 00:36:04,120 Speaker 1: about how someone was unfortunately killed in a self driving 630 00:36:04,160 --> 00:36:06,520 Speaker 1: car in a Tesla when they weren't paying attention. They 631 00:36:06,560 --> 00:36:10,040 Speaker 1: were watching a Harry Potter video of all things. So technology, 632 00:36:10,160 --> 00:36:12,080 Speaker 1: you gotta watch out for it each and every day. 633 00:36:12,239 --> 00:36:14,960 Speaker 1: I'm mony in the car, doctor. The mechanics aren't expensive, 634 00:36:15,120 --> 00:36:16,400 Speaker 1: they're priceless. See you