1 00:00:00,640 --> 00:00:04,160 Speaker 1: Hi, I'm Molly John Fast and this is Fast Politics, 2 00:00:04,360 --> 00:00:07,120 Speaker 1: where we discussed the top political headlines with some of 3 00:00:07,160 --> 00:00:12,040 Speaker 1: today's best minds, and a new report from CIVICUS downgraded 4 00:00:12,200 --> 00:00:16,920 Speaker 1: US freedom to obstruct it whatever that means. We have 5 00:00:17,079 --> 00:00:20,000 Speaker 1: such a great show for you today as the world churns. 6 00:00:20,040 --> 00:00:22,360 Speaker 2: Andy Leeby stops by to talk. 7 00:00:22,160 --> 00:00:26,960 Speaker 1: About impeaching RFK Junior, and then we'll talk to Senator 8 00:00:27,000 --> 00:00:32,680 Speaker 1: Tammy Baldwin about the upcoming battle to keep your insurance affordable. 9 00:00:33,040 --> 00:00:36,080 Speaker 2: We'll say, but first we have the news. 10 00:00:36,280 --> 00:00:41,519 Speaker 3: Molly, their back. The Heritage Foundation now has a Project 11 00:00:41,520 --> 00:00:44,280 Speaker 3: twenty twenty six. It's not looking good. 12 00:00:44,400 --> 00:00:48,080 Speaker 1: Okay, So Heritage Foundation got everything it fucking wanted with 13 00:00:48,200 --> 00:00:49,440 Speaker 1: Project twenty twenty five. 14 00:00:49,880 --> 00:00:52,440 Speaker 2: So now, like the greedy. 15 00:00:52,000 --> 00:00:54,680 Speaker 1: Little children they are, they have a Project twenty twenty 16 00:00:54,760 --> 00:00:58,280 Speaker 1: six policy vision. Part of this is because Donald Trump 17 00:00:58,440 --> 00:01:01,320 Speaker 1: does not have any policy, right, he has no policy. 18 00:01:01,360 --> 00:01:05,000 Speaker 1: His policy is make money and turn paint things yellow. 19 00:01:05,280 --> 00:01:11,679 Speaker 1: And so the Heritage Foundation has decided they have some 20 00:01:12,280 --> 00:01:16,119 Speaker 1: policies that they would like to enact. Some of them 21 00:01:16,120 --> 00:01:18,600 Speaker 1: are pretty obvious. Some of them are stuff Trump would 22 00:01:18,600 --> 00:01:22,640 Speaker 1: not get involved in. Maybe, so Number one, resisting the 23 00:01:22,680 --> 00:01:26,720 Speaker 1: communist Party, the Chinese Communist Party. These people are probably 24 00:01:26,720 --> 00:01:28,360 Speaker 1: not going to be happy because Donald Trump just said 25 00:01:28,360 --> 00:01:31,160 Speaker 1: he's going to sell Navidia chips to China. 26 00:01:31,600 --> 00:01:33,440 Speaker 3: Yeah, this is like the funniest one to be if 27 00:01:33,440 --> 00:01:35,559 Speaker 3: a big hoddest as. I was reading this earlier because 28 00:01:36,120 --> 00:01:38,160 Speaker 3: this is basically like saying like, could we just get 29 00:01:38,200 --> 00:01:39,920 Speaker 3: Trump to stop being trump pud trade? 30 00:01:40,280 --> 00:01:40,520 Speaker 1: Yeah? 31 00:01:40,560 --> 00:01:43,440 Speaker 2: Exactly. So well, I mean he's in a trade war 32 00:01:43,520 --> 00:01:44,119 Speaker 2: with them, so. 33 00:01:44,160 --> 00:01:45,160 Speaker 4: That's something basic. 34 00:01:45,560 --> 00:01:48,160 Speaker 3: Yeah, but the problem is he's busy in riching himself 35 00:01:48,200 --> 00:01:49,160 Speaker 3: and contradicting it. 36 00:01:49,280 --> 00:01:50,280 Speaker 2: Yes, that is true. 37 00:01:50,360 --> 00:01:54,680 Speaker 1: Okay, so he has resisting the Communist Chinese Party. That's 38 00:01:54,800 --> 00:01:57,480 Speaker 1: never gonna happen, and he shouldn't have sold them Navidio 39 00:01:57,920 --> 00:02:02,000 Speaker 1: immigration restrictions, I'm I mean, for who, nobody's coming. 40 00:02:01,720 --> 00:02:02,640 Speaker 2: Here, but okay. 41 00:02:02,880 --> 00:02:07,360 Speaker 1: And then my favorite is election refinements. You know what 42 00:02:07,400 --> 00:02:10,720 Speaker 1: that means, right, oppression? Yeah, my man is going to 43 00:02:10,760 --> 00:02:14,120 Speaker 1: refine the elections so that he doesn't lose them. 44 00:02:14,360 --> 00:02:16,840 Speaker 3: But the detail in here is interesting that they're really 45 00:02:16,880 --> 00:02:19,079 Speaker 3: not into rank choice voting, and some of that makes 46 00:02:19,120 --> 00:02:22,080 Speaker 3: me think they saw the TikTok jahatas or on and 47 00:02:22,080 --> 00:02:23,200 Speaker 3: they're getting real scared. 48 00:02:23,440 --> 00:02:26,800 Speaker 1: Rank choice voting. They don't like anything, Okay, reality check. 49 00:02:27,000 --> 00:02:29,400 Speaker 1: Rank choice voting, now used in both deep bread and 50 00:02:29,440 --> 00:02:33,639 Speaker 1: deep blue jurisdictions, has increased in popularity. Research shows the 51 00:02:33,639 --> 00:02:38,440 Speaker 1: party neutral system can increase voter turnout and improve representation 52 00:02:38,639 --> 00:02:42,720 Speaker 1: for women and people of color. Ara Ago, they don't 53 00:02:42,840 --> 00:02:43,359 Speaker 1: want it. 54 00:02:43,760 --> 00:02:45,600 Speaker 3: This is sending real pro democracy to me. 55 00:02:46,240 --> 00:02:49,560 Speaker 1: Elimination of the Department of Education. Let me tell you 56 00:02:49,600 --> 00:02:52,840 Speaker 1: a secret here. Team of course they want to get 57 00:02:52,919 --> 00:02:56,119 Speaker 1: rid of that, and there's a reason for that, because 58 00:02:56,360 --> 00:02:59,560 Speaker 1: of course they do. So they want to dismantle the 59 00:02:59,600 --> 00:03:03,440 Speaker 1: Department Education. Trump is already trying to do that. He 60 00:03:03,520 --> 00:03:08,400 Speaker 1: put Linda McMahon, everyone's favorite wrestling princess in there. So 61 00:03:09,000 --> 00:03:12,160 Speaker 1: not surprising. I don't know how they would do that. 62 00:03:12,600 --> 00:03:13,960 Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know how they could do that 63 00:03:14,000 --> 00:03:16,960 Speaker 1: more than they're doing it already. Fighting big tech. This 64 00:03:17,120 --> 00:03:19,480 Speaker 1: is one of my favorite of these ideas. 65 00:03:19,040 --> 00:03:21,639 Speaker 4: Because this one's so funny. 66 00:03:21,960 --> 00:03:24,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, it is really funny. Let's talk about it. Big 67 00:03:24,480 --> 00:03:28,520 Speaker 1: tech has interfered with our elections. Okay, yeah, but they 68 00:03:28,600 --> 00:03:32,160 Speaker 1: have four Republicans, so whoa so I to groom and 69 00:03:32,200 --> 00:03:35,360 Speaker 1: brainwash our children with perverted left wing ideologies? 70 00:03:36,080 --> 00:03:39,480 Speaker 2: FYI, Big tech is how our. 71 00:03:39,440 --> 00:03:44,440 Speaker 1: Children got to think that, Like Joe Rogan and Charlie 72 00:03:44,520 --> 00:03:46,320 Speaker 1: Kirk were the you know. 73 00:03:46,640 --> 00:03:50,880 Speaker 3: Yeah YouTube pipeline, the gen z that voted for Trump 74 00:03:51,080 --> 00:03:54,520 Speaker 3: down that pipeline by recommending videos after other videos were 75 00:03:54,520 --> 00:03:57,000 Speaker 3: done on YouTube. Fat period paragraph. 76 00:03:56,680 --> 00:03:59,080 Speaker 2: Done right, right, right, right, So. 77 00:03:59,400 --> 00:04:01,320 Speaker 3: This is themating themselves of their own foot But hey, 78 00:04:01,360 --> 00:04:04,120 Speaker 3: if they want common clause of regulating big tech, I 79 00:04:04,240 --> 00:04:06,320 Speaker 3: just hope they get to know someone named Lena Khan 80 00:04:06,440 --> 00:04:08,480 Speaker 3: and we can get it going. Yea, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, 81 00:04:08,640 --> 00:04:09,720 Speaker 3: not holding my breath though. 82 00:04:09,760 --> 00:04:10,040 Speaker 4: All right. 83 00:04:10,080 --> 00:04:13,560 Speaker 3: So we also have promoting traditional family values real shocker 84 00:04:13,600 --> 00:04:17,279 Speaker 3: in here, and then my favorite one, supporting the Trump administration. 85 00:04:17,640 --> 00:04:22,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, so let's talk about supporting the Trump administration promoting 86 00:04:22,680 --> 00:04:27,640 Speaker 1: traditional family values restore the nuclear family to the center 87 00:04:27,680 --> 00:04:30,560 Speaker 1: of American life. Who better to do that than a 88 00:04:30,720 --> 00:04:34,120 Speaker 1: man who is married to his third wife. 89 00:04:34,480 --> 00:04:38,240 Speaker 2: Yeah. Foundation also asserts that children should be born to 90 00:04:38,360 --> 00:04:41,320 Speaker 2: a mother and father who are married, singling opposition to 91 00:04:41,480 --> 00:04:46,280 Speaker 2: same sex marriage and efforts to eliminate related protections. 92 00:04:46,600 --> 00:04:49,880 Speaker 1: I don't know, I mean sure. Heritage says it will 93 00:04:49,880 --> 00:04:53,840 Speaker 1: back trump efforts to reshape the federal government and restore 94 00:04:54,760 --> 00:04:58,480 Speaker 1: efficient operations again Okay, I mean I don't know what 95 00:04:58,520 --> 00:05:02,080 Speaker 1: that means. It plans to size the constitution separations of 96 00:05:02,160 --> 00:05:06,440 Speaker 1: power and expand authority for independent agencies. That's what has 97 00:05:06,480 --> 00:05:09,560 Speaker 1: been doing all this time. And also, and by the way, 98 00:05:09,560 --> 00:05:13,839 Speaker 1: I love this, it wants to increase fossil fuel production. 99 00:05:14,720 --> 00:05:18,159 Speaker 3: Of course, So Boby, let's shift gears here away from 100 00:05:18,200 --> 00:05:20,400 Speaker 3: this hellscape. We have a lot of good news. I 101 00:05:20,400 --> 00:05:22,240 Speaker 3: have a prediction for you. I've been wanting to hear 102 00:05:22,279 --> 00:05:24,400 Speaker 3: your thoughts about this. I think the word of the 103 00:05:24,480 --> 00:05:26,480 Speaker 3: year next year is going to be dummy mander. 104 00:05:26,760 --> 00:05:30,320 Speaker 1: So, we have a Georgia Democrat flipping a state House 105 00:05:30,360 --> 00:05:33,320 Speaker 1: seat in a district Trump won by double digits. We're 106 00:05:33,320 --> 00:05:36,520 Speaker 1: talking about Tuesday's elections. We have a Democrat flipping the 107 00:05:36,520 --> 00:05:39,240 Speaker 1: Miami Mayor's office win in control for the first time 108 00:05:39,240 --> 00:05:42,719 Speaker 1: in thirty years. We have everybody moved to left, every 109 00:05:42,720 --> 00:05:47,520 Speaker 1: election moved left on Tuesday twelve points, ten points, fifteen 110 00:05:47,560 --> 00:05:52,440 Speaker 1: points left left left again not surprising if you looked 111 00:05:52,520 --> 00:05:55,000 Speaker 1: at the twenty five cycle at the. 112 00:05:54,720 --> 00:05:56,359 Speaker 2: Governor's race in New Jersey. 113 00:05:56,800 --> 00:05:59,520 Speaker 1: In Georgia, none of this is surprising, but it is 114 00:06:00,080 --> 00:06:04,960 Speaker 1: absolutely what we knew we would start seeing again Republicans. 115 00:06:05,000 --> 00:06:07,720 Speaker 1: That's why Trump is now talking about affordability. Of course 116 00:06:07,760 --> 00:06:12,560 Speaker 1: he's not, but it is affordability. Look, Trump isn't a 117 00:06:12,680 --> 00:06:15,040 Speaker 1: problem here. This is a real problem. I don't know 118 00:06:15,080 --> 00:06:17,680 Speaker 1: how Trump worlds, you know. I think they're going to 119 00:06:17,720 --> 00:06:19,960 Speaker 1: try to cheat. I think that's going to be the move. 120 00:06:20,240 --> 00:06:24,080 Speaker 1: But it is kind of fascinating to watch them just 121 00:06:24,400 --> 00:06:27,160 Speaker 1: lose and lose and lose. They still control a lot 122 00:06:27,160 --> 00:06:29,800 Speaker 1: of the Georgia House, right, It's not like this slips 123 00:06:29,839 --> 00:06:32,599 Speaker 1: the house, but it does show really where we are. 124 00:06:32,839 --> 00:06:35,039 Speaker 3: We're seeing a weather vane point where the wind is 125 00:06:35,080 --> 00:06:37,680 Speaker 3: presently blowing. Let's hope it keeps blowing that way and 126 00:06:38,080 --> 00:06:39,120 Speaker 3: harder and faster. 127 00:06:39,400 --> 00:06:41,840 Speaker 1: I mean, the question is more like can they stop it? 128 00:06:41,880 --> 00:06:44,600 Speaker 1: And I just don't see a way they can unless 129 00:06:44,640 --> 00:06:47,359 Speaker 1: they start to really cheat. And I think that's what 130 00:06:47,440 --> 00:06:48,480 Speaker 1: we're going to see next. 131 00:06:48,960 --> 00:06:52,040 Speaker 3: So one of the more annoying things I do is 132 00:06:52,200 --> 00:06:54,560 Speaker 3: when I talk to people who work in service, I 133 00:06:54,600 --> 00:06:57,080 Speaker 3: often ask them about the business. And one of the 134 00:06:57,120 --> 00:06:58,960 Speaker 3: things I keep hearing from people of New York is 135 00:06:58,960 --> 00:07:03,000 Speaker 3: that there's no Europeans here anymore since Trump got into office, 136 00:07:03,200 --> 00:07:05,479 Speaker 3: and our tourism has gone down and we've seen this 137 00:07:05,560 --> 00:07:08,839 Speaker 3: in repeated study after study, so it's not just ancidotal news. 138 00:07:08,920 --> 00:07:11,760 Speaker 3: And it looks like mister Trump wants to decimate our 139 00:07:11,760 --> 00:07:15,160 Speaker 3: tourism because now they want to mandate social media checks 140 00:07:15,240 --> 00:07:18,440 Speaker 3: for five years of their social media history before coming 141 00:07:18,480 --> 00:07:19,200 Speaker 3: to the country. 142 00:07:19,360 --> 00:07:22,480 Speaker 2: This is ridiculous. But also, who's going to even do this? 143 00:07:22,720 --> 00:07:26,360 Speaker 1: Like I don't mean to be the person here calling 144 00:07:26,960 --> 00:07:31,000 Speaker 1: fucking bullshit on this, but Trump administration I don't know. 145 00:07:31,160 --> 00:07:33,640 Speaker 1: I mean, were you gonna have TSA agents looking at 146 00:07:33,680 --> 00:07:36,840 Speaker 1: people's Twitter history? I mean, I just don't think that's 147 00:07:36,880 --> 00:07:40,200 Speaker 1: gonna fly. You know, like so much of this Trump 148 00:07:40,240 --> 00:07:42,440 Speaker 1: world stuff is like they decide they're going to do 149 00:07:42,560 --> 00:07:47,480 Speaker 1: autocracy from nothing, and like I don't. I don't think so. 150 00:07:47,840 --> 00:07:50,640 Speaker 1: I mean, I don't think that's how this is gonna go. 151 00:07:51,040 --> 00:07:52,680 Speaker 1: I mean it seems really dumb. 152 00:07:53,000 --> 00:07:55,800 Speaker 3: I think you're right like that. There's always these Republican 153 00:07:55,840 --> 00:07:59,920 Speaker 3: policies that Contract Toddict their small government, low budget policies, 154 00:08:00,120 --> 00:08:02,840 Speaker 3: like following every pregnant woman around till they reach the 155 00:08:02,880 --> 00:08:05,080 Speaker 3: birth turb and like, you know, like they can't do 156 00:08:05,160 --> 00:08:05,680 Speaker 3: this stuff. 157 00:08:05,960 --> 00:08:08,840 Speaker 1: Yes, even if they can't do it, like it's against 158 00:08:08,920 --> 00:08:12,440 Speaker 1: their gestalt or whatever. It's also just a question of 159 00:08:12,560 --> 00:08:16,520 Speaker 1: like who is going to practically look at people's cell phones? 160 00:08:16,920 --> 00:08:19,280 Speaker 2: Like this is the thing with so much of Trumpism. 161 00:08:19,360 --> 00:08:22,800 Speaker 1: It's like you were going to go from normal American 162 00:08:22,800 --> 00:08:28,280 Speaker 1: democracy to autocracy in fifteen months. Like I don't think so, man. 163 00:08:28,480 --> 00:08:31,120 Speaker 1: I mean, maybe maybe they're sub but you know, these 164 00:08:31,160 --> 00:08:34,160 Speaker 1: Europeans are going to come TSA agent is going to 165 00:08:34,240 --> 00:08:38,040 Speaker 1: stop them and be like, fuck you man, let me 166 00:08:38,080 --> 00:08:40,720 Speaker 1: see your phone. No, that's not how it's going to work. 167 00:08:40,800 --> 00:08:44,360 Speaker 1: I mean, I'm sorry, but no, I don't think that flies. 168 00:08:44,480 --> 00:08:45,760 Speaker 2: I don't think they can do it. 169 00:08:50,040 --> 00:08:54,800 Speaker 1: Over at our YouTube channel, we have some really exciting stuff. 170 00:08:54,960 --> 00:08:56,880 Speaker 2: Jesse and I have made a documentary. 171 00:08:57,160 --> 00:09:00,960 Speaker 1: It's called Project twenty twenty nine, A Real Imagining. 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I didn't see you there. 197 00:10:49,040 --> 00:10:50,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm here, baby. 198 00:10:50,880 --> 00:10:53,559 Speaker 1: My favorite thing about RFK is that he lied and 199 00:10:53,640 --> 00:10:56,440 Speaker 1: said during his hearing that he would not fuck up 200 00:10:56,559 --> 00:10:59,719 Speaker 1: vaccine schedules, immediately gets in there, doesn't do. 201 00:10:59,720 --> 00:11:02,079 Speaker 2: Any thing but fucks up vaccine schedules. 202 00:11:02,400 --> 00:11:07,360 Speaker 4: Discuss I also am opposed to him fucking up vaccine scheduling. 203 00:11:07,600 --> 00:11:12,160 Speaker 4: And look, we've now got articles of impeachment on the floor, 204 00:11:12,480 --> 00:11:16,320 Speaker 4: I guess in the House, which obviously, look, they're not 205 00:11:16,360 --> 00:11:21,319 Speaker 4: going to go anywhere because we have a Republican controlled House. 206 00:11:21,559 --> 00:11:25,240 Speaker 2: I mean controlled being the Yeah. 207 00:11:25,040 --> 00:11:28,960 Speaker 4: We have a Republican majority in the House. Yes, that's 208 00:11:28,960 --> 00:11:31,440 Speaker 4: probably a better way of putting it. Look, Mike Johnson 209 00:11:31,600 --> 00:11:34,559 Speaker 4: probably won't even hear about this for two weeks because 210 00:11:34,559 --> 00:11:37,240 Speaker 4: he doesn't really keep up with the news. But I 211 00:11:37,240 --> 00:11:40,160 Speaker 4: don't care if this is symbolic. I don't care if 212 00:11:40,200 --> 00:11:44,040 Speaker 4: it goes nowhere, both of which are probably true. I 213 00:11:44,040 --> 00:11:46,960 Speaker 4: think it's important. I think it's important to use the 214 00:11:47,040 --> 00:11:52,240 Speaker 4: mechanisms that are still vaguely in place to hold people accountable. 215 00:11:52,880 --> 00:11:57,960 Speaker 4: And out of all the things that this administration is doing, 216 00:11:58,240 --> 00:12:02,240 Speaker 4: I think the attack on health and science are gonna 217 00:12:02,600 --> 00:12:05,400 Speaker 4: be the hardest to undo, or they're going to take 218 00:12:05,440 --> 00:12:07,920 Speaker 4: the longest to undo, is I guess a better way 219 00:12:07,960 --> 00:12:10,640 Speaker 4: of putting it. And I think everything we are seeing 220 00:12:10,679 --> 00:12:16,520 Speaker 4: now with vaccines, with vaccines for babies and newborns and kids. 221 00:12:16,679 --> 00:12:20,120 Speaker 4: It's so like you read this and you hear about this, 222 00:12:20,280 --> 00:12:22,840 Speaker 4: And first of all, my new thing now is I 223 00:12:22,880 --> 00:12:25,560 Speaker 4: read the news every day, and every time I see 224 00:12:25,559 --> 00:12:27,960 Speaker 4: a story, I'm like, well, there's another thing I can't 225 00:12:28,000 --> 00:12:31,240 Speaker 4: post on social media because of terms, because I'll get 226 00:12:31,280 --> 00:12:33,160 Speaker 4: banned for what I want to say about it. Like 227 00:12:33,200 --> 00:12:35,520 Speaker 4: you look at this and you're like, what is your 228 00:12:35,679 --> 00:12:38,640 Speaker 4: goal here? Because you're gonna kill You're gonna kill people. 229 00:12:38,720 --> 00:12:41,040 Speaker 2: So RFK is going to be impeached. 230 00:12:41,040 --> 00:12:44,000 Speaker 1: Now, we have a member of Congress, and we also 231 00:12:44,120 --> 00:12:46,400 Speaker 1: have we have a couple members of Congress who are 232 00:12:46,400 --> 00:12:50,119 Speaker 1: set up an impeachment fight. One of them is Haley Stevens. 233 00:12:50,280 --> 00:12:53,280 Speaker 1: She's running for She's running not for governor. She's running 234 00:12:53,280 --> 00:12:57,160 Speaker 1: for the Senate in Michigan in a very hotly contested 235 00:12:57,280 --> 00:12:59,479 Speaker 1: Senate primary discuss. 236 00:12:59,800 --> 00:13:01,880 Speaker 4: Yeah. Again, that's why when I said I don't care 237 00:13:01,880 --> 00:13:06,120 Speaker 4: if this is symbolic or performative, which I'm sure it 238 00:13:06,160 --> 00:13:10,120 Speaker 4: is against both, Yeah, exactly. I mean, look, Stevens is 239 00:13:10,880 --> 00:13:15,000 Speaker 4: fairly moderate. It's not like she's, you know, a super 240 00:13:15,040 --> 00:13:17,880 Speaker 4: progressive member of the House who you would look at 241 00:13:17,880 --> 00:13:19,880 Speaker 4: this and you would go, oh, right on, they're standing 242 00:13:19,920 --> 00:13:23,440 Speaker 4: up for what they believe in. She's a moderate. So yes, 243 00:13:23,600 --> 00:13:29,160 Speaker 4: I think this is very clearly a senatorial election ploy. 244 00:13:29,320 --> 00:13:32,520 Speaker 4: But again I guess I just I don't really care, 245 00:13:32,800 --> 00:13:34,760 Speaker 4: only because I think it's the right I think it 246 00:13:34,880 --> 00:13:36,960 Speaker 4: happens to be the right thing to do, whether that 247 00:13:37,120 --> 00:13:40,080 Speaker 4: was the intention or not. And I think, you know, 248 00:13:40,280 --> 00:13:43,040 Speaker 4: one of the things that the Democrats have really failed 249 00:13:43,080 --> 00:13:47,319 Speaker 4: at for me in this past year is in using 250 00:13:47,360 --> 00:13:50,440 Speaker 4: whatever measures are available to at least put up a 251 00:13:50,559 --> 00:13:53,680 Speaker 4: fight to hold them accountable, and to at least, like 252 00:13:53,720 --> 00:13:57,880 Speaker 4: I said, use mechanisms that exist to hold them accountable, 253 00:13:57,920 --> 00:14:01,040 Speaker 4: to hold you know, whether it's RFK, whether it's hag Seth, 254 00:14:01,120 --> 00:14:06,160 Speaker 4: whether it's well, the list is you know, long but undistinguished. 255 00:14:08,600 --> 00:14:11,480 Speaker 4: But like again, as as you and I have talked about, 256 00:14:11,559 --> 00:14:13,800 Speaker 4: as as a lot of people are talking about, it's 257 00:14:13,800 --> 00:14:20,320 Speaker 4: the fighting versus rolling over, you know, and so versus CA. Yeah, 258 00:14:20,360 --> 00:14:23,440 Speaker 4: and even if the fight is if in this case 259 00:14:23,480 --> 00:14:27,480 Speaker 4: it's being launched for the most political of reasons and 260 00:14:27,560 --> 00:14:30,440 Speaker 4: the most cynical of reasons, I'm still in favor of 261 00:14:30,480 --> 00:14:33,240 Speaker 4: it because I think it's something it's a battle that 262 00:14:33,280 --> 00:14:34,160 Speaker 4: has to be fought. 263 00:14:34,400 --> 00:14:38,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, so RFK Junior impeachment. By the way, if Den's 264 00:14:38,920 --> 00:14:42,960 Speaker 2: went back the House, they could impeach RFK. 265 00:14:42,760 --> 00:14:46,760 Speaker 1: Junior and you know, you could see they could maybe 266 00:14:46,800 --> 00:14:47,760 Speaker 1: remove them. 267 00:14:48,000 --> 00:14:51,200 Speaker 4: Look, anything is possible. And I mean as of now, 268 00:14:51,480 --> 00:14:54,040 Speaker 4: as of the end of twenty twenty five, it looks 269 00:14:54,200 --> 00:14:56,280 Speaker 4: like there is a decent chance at least of the 270 00:14:56,320 --> 00:14:58,760 Speaker 4: Democrats taking back the House next year. Obviously a lot 271 00:14:58,760 --> 00:15:01,040 Speaker 4: can change between now and then, but you know, we 272 00:15:01,120 --> 00:15:05,800 Speaker 4: just saw this week in some elections Democrats again did well. 273 00:15:05,880 --> 00:15:08,120 Speaker 2: They didn't do well, they did breezy. 274 00:15:07,720 --> 00:15:11,360 Speaker 4: Well yeah, oh absolutely absolutely. But again that's why I 275 00:15:11,360 --> 00:15:14,480 Speaker 4: think it's important to start doing this shit now and 276 00:15:15,000 --> 00:15:17,840 Speaker 4: and get it on the record. And then if you 277 00:15:17,920 --> 00:15:20,080 Speaker 4: gotta you know, if it gets dragged out, or if 278 00:15:20,080 --> 00:15:23,120 Speaker 4: you got to do it again in another year, fine, 279 00:15:23,840 --> 00:15:28,280 Speaker 4: but get yourself on the record as saying you know, 280 00:15:28,520 --> 00:15:30,880 Speaker 4: you can't just put out a press release and say 281 00:15:31,400 --> 00:15:34,880 Speaker 4: boo RFK Jr. And then go home and say, well, 282 00:15:34,920 --> 00:15:38,440 Speaker 4: I've done my job today. Like, you gotta do something, 283 00:15:38,560 --> 00:15:41,760 Speaker 4: and even if that is quixotic and doomed to fail 284 00:15:42,000 --> 00:15:45,440 Speaker 4: and whatever, you gotta at least you gotta show that 285 00:15:45,480 --> 00:15:48,320 Speaker 4: there's a fight here speaking of members of the Trump 286 00:15:48,400 --> 00:15:53,040 Speaker 4: administration doing absolutely crazy shit because they think they'll never 287 00:15:53,120 --> 00:15:54,239 Speaker 4: be held accountable. 288 00:15:54,680 --> 00:15:58,960 Speaker 1: Let us talk about the Department of War and Peace. 289 00:16:00,240 --> 00:16:03,920 Speaker 1: That Weekend anchor friend of yours, close personal friend of 290 00:16:03,960 --> 00:16:08,360 Speaker 1: yours from your time at Fox News, hot guy with 291 00:16:08,600 --> 00:16:14,080 Speaker 1: many many children from many different women. That guy he's 292 00:16:14,520 --> 00:16:18,040 Speaker 1: doesn't want the second video of the bombs to be 293 00:16:18,400 --> 00:16:21,520 Speaker 1: It's that second video that's the one that you're not 294 00:16:21,560 --> 00:16:23,160 Speaker 1: to discuss. 295 00:16:23,400 --> 00:16:27,920 Speaker 4: Yeah, look, obviously I've been following this story and the 296 00:16:27,960 --> 00:16:31,200 Speaker 4: one thing I feel like nobody is saying, and maybe 297 00:16:31,200 --> 00:16:33,320 Speaker 4: I'm wrong, maybe I just missed it, but you know, 298 00:16:33,360 --> 00:16:36,200 Speaker 4: we keep arguing whether this, Oh, is this a war crime? 299 00:16:36,800 --> 00:16:38,680 Speaker 4: Is it not a war crime because we're not at war, 300 00:16:38,840 --> 00:16:42,600 Speaker 4: and it's just it's murder like either way, horrible and dead. 301 00:16:42,960 --> 00:16:47,200 Speaker 4: What I've started thinking is what it is is state 302 00:16:47,240 --> 00:16:52,960 Speaker 4: sponsored terrorism. And if another nation did this to American boats, 303 00:16:53,040 --> 00:16:57,240 Speaker 4: American civilians on boats, we would call it an act 304 00:16:57,280 --> 00:17:00,200 Speaker 4: of terror. We would call it state sponsored terrorism. And 305 00:17:00,240 --> 00:17:04,439 Speaker 4: that's what we are now. The American state is is 306 00:17:04,480 --> 00:17:09,800 Speaker 4: committing terrorist acts. We are doing this for political reasons. 307 00:17:09,840 --> 00:17:13,000 Speaker 4: We are doing it to strike fear all the things 308 00:17:13,119 --> 00:17:15,040 Speaker 4: that you say, you know, well, how do you define 309 00:17:15,040 --> 00:17:18,119 Speaker 4: what terrorism is? And you know, those are two of 310 00:17:18,119 --> 00:17:21,600 Speaker 4: the big ones. It's obvious. You know. The latest news 311 00:17:21,640 --> 00:17:23,719 Speaker 4: now out of the I think it was in the 312 00:17:23,760 --> 00:17:28,000 Speaker 4: New York Times, is that the Pentagon is fighting very 313 00:17:28,000 --> 00:17:30,840 Speaker 4: hard to keep the survivors from being brought to the 314 00:17:30,960 --> 00:17:34,320 Speaker 4: United States because they don't want them to stand trial here, 315 00:17:34,880 --> 00:17:38,199 Speaker 4: so they want them to go to be put in 316 00:17:38,720 --> 00:17:42,680 Speaker 4: the same place in El Salvador, the same disgusting country. 317 00:17:43,000 --> 00:17:48,600 Speaker 1: Well, they've pitched that idea, and the State Department lawyers 318 00:17:48,640 --> 00:17:52,160 Speaker 1: were like, what the actual fuck are you talking about. 319 00:17:52,800 --> 00:17:59,040 Speaker 1: You can't send survivors of strikes to death camps. And 320 00:17:59,040 --> 00:18:00,879 Speaker 1: they were like, yeah, yeah, we were just kidding. Like 321 00:18:00,960 --> 00:18:03,840 Speaker 1: you could see how that conversation went from the time 322 00:18:03,920 --> 00:18:04,439 Speaker 1: the reporter. 323 00:18:05,080 --> 00:18:08,479 Speaker 4: Yeah, absolutely, and look we know they weren't just kidding. 324 00:18:08,720 --> 00:18:11,680 Speaker 4: And this, of course is also the reason why, as 325 00:18:11,720 --> 00:18:14,879 Speaker 4: we see in those videos where they're trying their damn 326 00:18:14,920 --> 00:18:18,160 Speaker 4: best to make sure there are no survivors, because dead 327 00:18:18,160 --> 00:18:21,160 Speaker 4: men tell no tales, you know, and so they don't 328 00:18:21,200 --> 00:18:24,000 Speaker 4: want survivors to be able to come out there and say, hey, 329 00:18:24,119 --> 00:18:27,760 Speaker 4: we were a small fishing boat or whatever, and you know, 330 00:18:27,840 --> 00:18:29,959 Speaker 4: a boat that wouldn't even be able to make it 331 00:18:30,040 --> 00:18:33,840 Speaker 4: to the United States mainland, And it's terrorism to me. 332 00:18:34,000 --> 00:18:37,040 Speaker 4: And that's what we are now. We are now committing 333 00:18:37,119 --> 00:18:39,840 Speaker 4: acts of terror. I'm not saying we never have in 334 00:18:39,840 --> 00:18:42,800 Speaker 4: the past, but now it's just sort of, you know, 335 00:18:43,119 --> 00:18:47,359 Speaker 4: that's who we are. That's exactly what we've become. It sucks, Molly, 336 00:18:47,880 --> 00:18:48,399 Speaker 4: I don't like it. 337 00:18:48,520 --> 00:18:50,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, I want to talk about the first video for 338 00:18:50,520 --> 00:18:56,760 Speaker 1: a minute, because Tom Cotton, America's favorite senator, said that 339 00:18:56,840 --> 00:19:00,919 Speaker 1: the video showed that they were right to kill the survivors. 340 00:19:01,560 --> 00:19:04,560 Speaker 2: He saw that video, So what do you think the 341 00:19:04,640 --> 00:19:05,679 Speaker 2: thinking there was. 342 00:19:06,240 --> 00:19:08,560 Speaker 4: Look, as we know, Tom Cotton is the same person 343 00:19:08,560 --> 00:19:13,320 Speaker 4: who wanted US troops to be deployed against US citizens. 344 00:19:13,640 --> 00:19:16,960 Speaker 4: I don't know the thought process of someone like Tom Cotton, 345 00:19:17,000 --> 00:19:19,600 Speaker 4: and I'm kind of happy about that. Like, I don't 346 00:19:19,640 --> 00:19:22,520 Speaker 4: want to be able to understand that, because I think 347 00:19:22,560 --> 00:19:24,920 Speaker 4: that would that would it would be a character defect 348 00:19:25,359 --> 00:19:28,080 Speaker 4: to be able to look at that and go, oh, okay, well, 349 00:19:28,119 --> 00:19:31,880 Speaker 4: what he's saying, no, you know, what he's saying is 350 00:19:32,119 --> 00:19:36,760 Speaker 4: he has no problem with murder being committed. He has 351 00:19:36,800 --> 00:19:40,080 Speaker 4: no problem with watching snuff films. I'm not going to 352 00:19:40,320 --> 00:19:44,320 Speaker 4: get into any potential, you know, psychosexual issues that may 353 00:19:44,320 --> 00:19:47,760 Speaker 4: be involved here, because that's not my expertise. 354 00:19:47,760 --> 00:19:51,800 Speaker 1: There's also a second video, yes, and so I guess 355 00:19:51,840 --> 00:19:54,480 Speaker 1: there were This may have happened more than once. And 356 00:19:54,520 --> 00:19:56,600 Speaker 1: in fact, we do know that because we killed like 357 00:19:56,720 --> 00:20:00,960 Speaker 1: eighty seven people on these boats, which may or may 358 00:20:01,000 --> 00:20:04,120 Speaker 1: not have been fishing boats, but whatever, but we've killed 359 00:20:04,160 --> 00:20:09,679 Speaker 1: eighty seven people. So there's clearly some other video. Asked 360 00:20:09,840 --> 00:20:12,920 Speaker 1: about whether or not they would release the video, they 361 00:20:12,960 --> 00:20:13,760 Speaker 1: said they had. 362 00:20:14,320 --> 00:20:16,439 Speaker 2: HEG. Sas said he was reviewing. 363 00:20:16,920 --> 00:20:21,040 Speaker 1: This made Chuck Schumer, not known to be the toughest guy, 364 00:20:21,240 --> 00:20:21,760 Speaker 1: pretty mad. 365 00:20:22,280 --> 00:20:26,080 Speaker 4: Look again, I have no desire to watch these videos 366 00:20:26,119 --> 00:20:29,000 Speaker 4: because they are snuff films, but I do think that 367 00:20:29,600 --> 00:20:33,240 Speaker 4: they should be seen. You know, if you're so proud 368 00:20:33,280 --> 00:20:36,640 Speaker 4: of what you did, release the fucking videos. If you're 369 00:20:36,640 --> 00:20:39,600 Speaker 4: so proud of what you did, let the survivors come 370 00:20:39,680 --> 00:20:44,159 Speaker 4: to America, because if you're so convinced of your righteousness, 371 00:20:44,359 --> 00:20:47,200 Speaker 4: you should have nothing to fear from them giving their 372 00:20:47,240 --> 00:20:50,200 Speaker 4: side of the story. You know, it doesn't take any 373 00:20:50,520 --> 00:20:54,439 Speaker 4: moral courage whatsoever to order someone to push a button 374 00:20:54,640 --> 00:20:57,840 Speaker 4: to blow up a fishing boat and with Pete Hegseth 375 00:20:57,920 --> 00:21:01,320 Speaker 4: and people like that. They absolutely they lack moral courage. 376 00:21:01,560 --> 00:21:05,439 Speaker 4: If you have the courage of your convictions, then release 377 00:21:05,480 --> 00:21:10,359 Speaker 4: the videos. Let the survivors talk, and the videos may 378 00:21:10,480 --> 00:21:12,879 Speaker 4: end up being released, but I don't. I think in 379 00:21:13,000 --> 00:21:17,360 Speaker 4: his heart of hearts, whatever little shriveled up thing there 380 00:21:17,440 --> 00:21:19,960 Speaker 4: is in there, he accept doesn't want that video out 381 00:21:20,000 --> 00:21:24,679 Speaker 4: because he knows I think what it's gonna look like 382 00:21:25,040 --> 00:21:25,960 Speaker 4: to a lot of people. 383 00:21:26,200 --> 00:21:30,840 Speaker 1: Let's talk for a minute about where we go now. 384 00:21:31,240 --> 00:21:34,920 Speaker 2: So Trump is not popular. Trump not popular. 385 00:21:35,400 --> 00:21:41,399 Speaker 1: You know, these democratic results are just a complete disaster 386 00:21:41,520 --> 00:21:45,400 Speaker 1: and every for Republicans, like you know, they're flipping seats 387 00:21:45,400 --> 00:21:48,280 Speaker 1: that shouldn't be flipped there, you know, looks like dummy 388 00:21:48,280 --> 00:21:49,080 Speaker 1: Mander's coming. 389 00:21:49,359 --> 00:21:52,200 Speaker 2: You're Donald Trump, what do you do? 390 00:21:52,800 --> 00:21:55,000 Speaker 4: First of all, I would like to shoot down any 391 00:21:55,080 --> 00:21:58,600 Speaker 4: rumors that you are, in fact are allegations that I 392 00:21:58,640 --> 00:21:59,879 Speaker 4: am in fact on the Trump right. 393 00:22:00,200 --> 00:22:03,320 Speaker 2: It's being John Macovich. But you're being Donald Trump. 394 00:22:03,080 --> 00:22:06,600 Speaker 4: Right, Exactly everything you said is true. Trump is unpopular. 395 00:22:06,920 --> 00:22:09,560 Speaker 4: A lot of these MAGA policies, now that they're actually 396 00:22:09,600 --> 00:22:11,560 Speaker 4: being put into place, you're seeing a lot of you know, 397 00:22:12,200 --> 00:22:14,280 Speaker 4: as we keep saying a lot of people going that's 398 00:22:14,320 --> 00:22:16,080 Speaker 4: not what I voted for, even though it is what 399 00:22:16,119 --> 00:22:18,080 Speaker 4: they voted for. I do think all of this is 400 00:22:18,119 --> 00:22:22,280 Speaker 4: going to change now that the State Department is changing 401 00:22:22,320 --> 00:22:25,280 Speaker 4: their font So I do think you have to take 402 00:22:25,320 --> 00:22:28,560 Speaker 4: that into consideration that the popularity. I think we're going 403 00:22:28,600 --> 00:22:30,959 Speaker 4: to see a big change and a big upward movement 404 00:22:31,119 --> 00:22:34,880 Speaker 4: in the popularity. Donald Trump is Donald Trump, and it's 405 00:22:34,920 --> 00:22:38,560 Speaker 4: not like he's going to change or is capable of change. 406 00:22:38,600 --> 00:22:41,159 Speaker 4: I don't think he's been capable of change since he was, like, 407 00:22:41,320 --> 00:22:44,720 Speaker 4: you know, fourteen, And I guess I think the bigger 408 00:22:44,800 --> 00:22:48,720 Speaker 4: question is for the wanna be Trump's or the wannabe 409 00:22:48,840 --> 00:22:53,480 Speaker 4: next Trump's, the JD. Vance's of the world. So it's 410 00:22:53,520 --> 00:22:55,639 Speaker 4: a question of are they going to look at this 411 00:22:55,920 --> 00:23:01,760 Speaker 4: and realize that it's not working to a large extent, 412 00:23:02,080 --> 00:23:04,000 Speaker 4: I don't know the answer to that. I mean, Vance, 413 00:23:04,840 --> 00:23:08,800 Speaker 4: you know, seems he's a complete He's completely captured by 414 00:23:08,880 --> 00:23:13,000 Speaker 4: basically the online right and the Peter Thiel type people 415 00:23:13,320 --> 00:23:16,960 Speaker 4: who really don't I mean, you want to talk about 416 00:23:17,000 --> 00:23:19,920 Speaker 4: living in a bubble. I don't know that he can change. 417 00:23:20,119 --> 00:23:22,280 Speaker 4: So I don't know where this goes next. I mean, look, 418 00:23:22,280 --> 00:23:25,280 Speaker 4: we're seeing all this infighting now, Marjorie Taylor Green. You know, 419 00:23:25,800 --> 00:23:29,399 Speaker 4: even Nancy Mace took a five minute break from the 420 00:23:29,480 --> 00:23:33,359 Speaker 4: crazies to say that, you know, hey, this weird stuff 421 00:23:33,400 --> 00:23:33,800 Speaker 4: going on. 422 00:23:34,200 --> 00:23:37,520 Speaker 1: Their problem is they feel like Mike Johnson is not 423 00:23:37,640 --> 00:23:41,080 Speaker 1: treating them like they're grown ups, right, I mean, he 424 00:23:41,160 --> 00:23:42,640 Speaker 1: treats women like children. 425 00:23:42,920 --> 00:23:43,760 Speaker 2: I don't know that that. 426 00:23:44,280 --> 00:23:48,120 Speaker 1: I'm not sure their problem is ideological as much as 427 00:23:48,240 --> 00:23:51,560 Speaker 1: it's like, you can't treat us like children. 428 00:23:52,320 --> 00:23:54,920 Speaker 4: Well, I do think with Marjorie Taylor Green, I mean 429 00:23:54,960 --> 00:23:58,840 Speaker 4: she's been and trust me, I have absolutely no interest 430 00:23:58,880 --> 00:24:01,960 Speaker 4: in rehabilitating her whatsoever. She doesn't deserve it. She's done 431 00:24:01,960 --> 00:24:04,119 Speaker 4: nothing to deserve it. She's a big part of the 432 00:24:04,119 --> 00:24:08,240 Speaker 4: problem she's now complaining about. But there is some ideology 433 00:24:08,280 --> 00:24:11,119 Speaker 4: going on there. I mean, she's talked about the healthcare stuff, 434 00:24:11,160 --> 00:24:15,280 Speaker 4: and a lot of MAGA right now is very anti 435 00:24:15,400 --> 00:24:18,639 Speaker 4: populist in you know, whether it's getting rid of the 436 00:24:18,720 --> 00:24:22,879 Speaker 4: healthcare subsidies, causing people's healthcare prices to increase or whatever. 437 00:24:23,320 --> 00:24:27,080 Speaker 4: That's not what populism is supposed to be. Populism is, 438 00:24:27,520 --> 00:24:30,560 Speaker 4: you know, for as much as the right wing populist 439 00:24:30,720 --> 00:24:34,760 Speaker 4: hate socialism and communism. There's a lot of government handouts 440 00:24:34,760 --> 00:24:38,399 Speaker 4: involved in populism. Government handouts is their term, which is 441 00:24:38,440 --> 00:24:42,280 Speaker 4: why I use it. Yeah, But so I do think 442 00:24:42,440 --> 00:24:45,040 Speaker 4: with Marjorie Tayler Green and with some of the other 443 00:24:45,119 --> 00:24:47,479 Speaker 4: MAGA people on the right, there is this sort of 444 00:24:47,720 --> 00:24:53,040 Speaker 4: realization again whether it's whether it's real or just playing politics, 445 00:24:53,080 --> 00:24:56,520 Speaker 4: but there's this realization that, hey, some of these policies 446 00:24:56,560 --> 00:25:00,119 Speaker 4: are actually going to hurt our base. Whereas I I 447 00:25:00,200 --> 00:25:04,320 Speaker 4: don't know that you know, that sort of intension with 448 00:25:04,640 --> 00:25:08,480 Speaker 4: the we got to get rid of the healthcare subsidies Obamacare. 449 00:25:08,760 --> 00:25:11,000 Speaker 4: It's Obamacare, we got to get rid of it. So 450 00:25:11,119 --> 00:25:13,760 Speaker 4: I do think there are some ideological tensions there. I 451 00:25:13,800 --> 00:25:17,520 Speaker 4: agree with you one hundred percent that, you know, Nancy Mason, 452 00:25:17,520 --> 00:25:20,200 Speaker 4: people like that. A lot of it is I don't 453 00:25:20,200 --> 00:25:22,719 Speaker 4: know if they just woke up today and or that 454 00:25:22,800 --> 00:25:25,360 Speaker 4: day and realized, oh, you know what, maggot, A lot 455 00:25:25,359 --> 00:25:29,200 Speaker 4: of these maggid dudes don't like women and don't think 456 00:25:29,240 --> 00:25:33,119 Speaker 4: we should be in Congress or in the workplace, you know, 457 00:25:33,200 --> 00:25:35,600 Speaker 4: to begin with. But I don't know what Donald Trump 458 00:25:35,720 --> 00:25:38,160 Speaker 4: himself does. I mean, I mean, I guess we're seeing 459 00:25:38,160 --> 00:25:39,960 Speaker 4: some of it where they want to, you know, sort 460 00:25:39,960 --> 00:25:45,280 Speaker 4: of offset his tariffs that are hurting farmers and stuff 461 00:25:45,320 --> 00:25:49,080 Speaker 4: like that. At a certain point, the lord willing people 462 00:25:49,400 --> 00:25:53,919 Speaker 4: who have voted for Trump are gonna maybe realize that 463 00:25:54,080 --> 00:25:57,080 Speaker 4: he's not actually fighting for them. It feels hard. 464 00:25:56,840 --> 00:25:58,840 Speaker 2: To be because. 465 00:25:58,000 --> 00:26:00,760 Speaker 4: We've had we've had a bunch of years of proof 466 00:26:00,800 --> 00:26:04,520 Speaker 4: of that, and they still believe it. But I don't know. 467 00:26:04,560 --> 00:26:06,960 Speaker 4: I think what Trump does is he just he continues 468 00:26:06,960 --> 00:26:09,879 Speaker 4: to lie. He continues to say the economy is strong, 469 00:26:10,119 --> 00:26:12,840 Speaker 4: and you know, prices are going down, and he just 470 00:26:12,920 --> 00:26:15,960 Speaker 4: has to hope that there's enough people out there that 471 00:26:16,359 --> 00:26:19,080 Speaker 4: continue to fall for it, even as they see their 472 00:26:19,080 --> 00:26:22,800 Speaker 4: prices go up and their wages stagnate or fall. I 473 00:26:22,800 --> 00:26:26,400 Speaker 4: guess the issue how how much longer can he get 474 00:26:26,440 --> 00:26:28,960 Speaker 4: away with the lies? I think is what it comes 475 00:26:29,000 --> 00:26:31,960 Speaker 4: down to. You know what. That's on the electorate, It's 476 00:26:32,000 --> 00:26:35,760 Speaker 4: on the media to be more proactive and stronger in 477 00:26:36,160 --> 00:26:39,280 Speaker 4: saying that he's lying. But I don't know the answer. 478 00:26:39,320 --> 00:26:41,800 Speaker 4: I mean, I think we are in sort of you know, 479 00:26:42,040 --> 00:26:45,160 Speaker 4: in a sense, we're in uncharted waters with this administration 480 00:26:45,480 --> 00:26:48,600 Speaker 4: and all the things we're seeing and all the rollbacks 481 00:26:48,600 --> 00:26:52,200 Speaker 4: of stuff we thought was settled, you know, fifty sixty 482 00:26:52,280 --> 00:26:55,080 Speaker 4: years ago. I just I don't know what the final 483 00:26:55,119 --> 00:26:58,520 Speaker 4: answer is, and I'm not sure that MAGA does either 484 00:26:58,840 --> 00:27:02,000 Speaker 4: or the Republican Party, but I repeat myself, and I 485 00:27:02,119 --> 00:27:05,199 Speaker 4: have to think that that's a little nerve racking for 486 00:27:05,320 --> 00:27:08,280 Speaker 4: them as we get closer, well, first of all in 487 00:27:08,280 --> 00:27:10,080 Speaker 4: the midterms, and then as we get closer to twenty 488 00:27:10,119 --> 00:27:10,679 Speaker 4: twenty eight. 489 00:27:10,720 --> 00:27:13,520 Speaker 1: Andy Levy, if you had to rate yourself on the 490 00:27:13,560 --> 00:27:16,440 Speaker 1: economy right now, how would you rate yourself? 491 00:27:16,520 --> 00:27:19,119 Speaker 4: Now, I'm just kidding, rate myself, like, how am I doing? 492 00:27:19,720 --> 00:27:22,200 Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, aa aa. 493 00:27:21,800 --> 00:27:22,920 Speaker 5: Plus plus plus. 494 00:27:23,160 --> 00:27:26,119 Speaker 4: Oh, oh, that's right. I forgot. We're doing letter grades 495 00:27:26,160 --> 00:27:28,800 Speaker 4: these days. These days, God. 496 00:27:30,280 --> 00:27:32,919 Speaker 2: Week, come back? Oh well you come back? Will you 497 00:27:32,960 --> 00:27:35,439 Speaker 2: come back? No? Come back, you monster? 498 00:27:35,760 --> 00:27:38,119 Speaker 4: After the way we treated today, you think I'm going 499 00:27:38,200 --> 00:27:38,640 Speaker 4: to come back. 500 00:27:40,920 --> 00:27:46,160 Speaker 1: Sammy Baldwin is the junior Senator the great state of Wisconsin. 501 00:27:47,160 --> 00:27:50,280 Speaker 1: Welcome to Fast Politics, Senator Baldwin. 502 00:27:50,000 --> 00:27:52,560 Speaker 5: I am so glad to join you. Thanks for having me. 503 00:27:52,800 --> 00:27:54,119 Speaker 2: Well, I'm delighted to have you. 504 00:27:54,200 --> 00:27:56,600 Speaker 1: And there's just so much to talk about in the 505 00:27:56,680 --> 00:27:59,600 Speaker 1: Senate right now. First, I think we should talk about 506 00:27:59,760 --> 00:28:05,760 Speaker 1: how these Obamacare premiums are just expiring. Like, get us 507 00:28:05,880 --> 00:28:08,160 Speaker 1: talking about what where we are. I feel like we're 508 00:28:08,200 --> 00:28:10,679 Speaker 1: on yet another affordability cliff. 509 00:28:11,160 --> 00:28:14,600 Speaker 5: There's no question that we are on the precipice of 510 00:28:14,640 --> 00:28:16,879 Speaker 5: a cliff right now. So I'm going to bring you 511 00:28:16,920 --> 00:28:20,480 Speaker 5: back to last summer where President Trump brought his signature 512 00:28:20,600 --> 00:28:24,760 Speaker 5: legislation to the floor on taxes. It was a tax bill. 513 00:28:24,920 --> 00:28:26,840 Speaker 2: It's a tax cut for wealthy people. 514 00:28:27,000 --> 00:28:27,440 Speaker 5: That's right. 515 00:28:27,640 --> 00:28:28,160 Speaker 2: Exactly. 516 00:28:28,280 --> 00:28:30,399 Speaker 5: The point I'm about to make is that you would 517 00:28:30,400 --> 00:28:35,760 Speaker 5: think the centerpiece of that signature bill, the signature tax bill, 518 00:28:36,119 --> 00:28:40,360 Speaker 5: would be a tax break for working American families to 519 00:28:40,360 --> 00:28:45,480 Speaker 5: be able to afford their healthcare premiums. But no, Instead 520 00:28:46,400 --> 00:28:51,920 Speaker 5: there is this massive tax break that disproportionally benefits big 521 00:28:51,960 --> 00:28:55,840 Speaker 5: corporations and billionaires and the wealthy. They pay for a 522 00:28:56,000 --> 00:29:01,600 Speaker 5: little bit of it by cutting food aid and medicaid. 523 00:29:01,400 --> 00:29:03,800 Speaker 2: Right snap, and medicaid, that's. 524 00:29:03,680 --> 00:29:06,640 Speaker 5: Right, And that only pays for a fraction of this 525 00:29:07,160 --> 00:29:11,480 Speaker 5: enormous tax break for the very wealthy. But they fail 526 00:29:11,640 --> 00:29:16,760 Speaker 5: to address this imminent crisis back in the summer, and 527 00:29:16,800 --> 00:29:19,640 Speaker 5: then we said, all right, you left something out, the 528 00:29:19,720 --> 00:29:22,640 Speaker 5: tax break for working people to be able to afford 529 00:29:22,680 --> 00:29:27,120 Speaker 5: their healthcare insurance, and so all year long we have 530 00:29:27,240 --> 00:29:31,920 Speaker 5: been offering opportunities to our Republican colleagues to join us 531 00:29:31,960 --> 00:29:36,800 Speaker 5: in some fashion to prevent people from going over this cliff. 532 00:29:37,080 --> 00:29:41,200 Speaker 5: So on December thirty first, this tax break for working 533 00:29:41,240 --> 00:29:45,800 Speaker 5: families will end unless we act, and the open enrollment 534 00:29:45,880 --> 00:29:50,920 Speaker 5: for Obamacare, the Affordable Care Act is from November first 535 00:29:51,200 --> 00:29:55,280 Speaker 5: through December fifteenth. By my count, there's just a couple 536 00:29:55,480 --> 00:29:59,280 Speaker 5: days left to people to shop for their insurance. When 537 00:29:59,280 --> 00:30:02,680 Speaker 5: they go to healthcare dot gov to shop, they know 538 00:30:02,880 --> 00:30:06,520 Speaker 5: what they were paying per month this year, and they're 539 00:30:06,560 --> 00:30:10,560 Speaker 5: seeing what they will pay next year for their same insurance. 540 00:30:10,640 --> 00:30:13,080 Speaker 5: Then they can shop around and see if there's another 541 00:30:13,200 --> 00:30:16,480 Speaker 5: offering that's a little more affordable. But most people are 542 00:30:16,520 --> 00:30:21,920 Speaker 5: seeing double, triple, quadruple the premiums they were paying this year, 543 00:30:22,280 --> 00:30:26,600 Speaker 5: and too many of them are thinking to themselves, I 544 00:30:26,880 --> 00:30:30,160 Speaker 5: don't know how I can do it. I just can't 545 00:30:30,200 --> 00:30:34,680 Speaker 5: stretch my budget that far. And so we're going to see. 546 00:30:34,720 --> 00:30:39,440 Speaker 5: The estimate is four million nationwide will forego healthcare next 547 00:30:39,480 --> 00:30:45,360 Speaker 5: year because of these tax breaks disappearing. We're fighting to 548 00:30:45,480 --> 00:30:48,240 Speaker 5: extend the tax breaks. We've been fighting to extend the 549 00:30:48,280 --> 00:30:52,000 Speaker 5: tax breaks for the year. We knew they were coming 550 00:30:52,040 --> 00:30:56,480 Speaker 5: to an end. And tomorrow we will get another vote 551 00:30:56,560 --> 00:31:02,520 Speaker 5: on extending these tax breaks. It'll be a three clean extension. Okay, 552 00:31:02,560 --> 00:31:04,960 Speaker 5: So what's happening on the Republican side. They have been 553 00:31:05,000 --> 00:31:07,080 Speaker 5: saying for a decade and a half that they want 554 00:31:07,080 --> 00:31:09,000 Speaker 5: to get rid of Obamacare. They want to get rid 555 00:31:09,040 --> 00:31:10,920 Speaker 5: of the Affordable Care Act. They're the same thing, by 556 00:31:10,920 --> 00:31:13,640 Speaker 5: the way, I just people know them as different things, 557 00:31:13,680 --> 00:31:16,400 Speaker 5: so I always put them together. They're the same thing. 558 00:31:16,640 --> 00:31:19,520 Speaker 5: So the Republicans want to get rid of it, and 559 00:31:20,000 --> 00:31:24,240 Speaker 5: they have never come up with a replacement. They talked 560 00:31:24,240 --> 00:31:27,520 Speaker 5: about repeal and replace for many, many years. Donald Trump 561 00:31:27,600 --> 00:31:31,360 Speaker 5: said during his last election, well have a concept of 562 00:31:31,400 --> 00:31:35,240 Speaker 5: a plan. Nothing's come to fruition. And at the eleventh 563 00:31:35,240 --> 00:31:38,560 Speaker 5: hour before we get this vote tomorrow on a clean 564 00:31:38,600 --> 00:31:42,320 Speaker 5: three year extension, Leader Thuon in the Senate has put 565 00:31:42,440 --> 00:31:45,240 Speaker 5: something on the calendar that has to do with health 566 00:31:45,320 --> 00:31:46,520 Speaker 5: savings accounts. 567 00:31:46,640 --> 00:31:50,200 Speaker 2: And this is crazy, it's half baked. 568 00:31:50,840 --> 00:31:53,560 Speaker 5: It doesn't deal with the cliff, it doesn't deal with 569 00:31:53,600 --> 00:31:59,760 Speaker 5: the crisis. So anyways, this is so avoidable. But yet 570 00:32:00,080 --> 00:32:03,720 Speaker 5: here we are. We have fought so hard to give 571 00:32:03,840 --> 00:32:07,800 Speaker 5: this relief to working families, people who are dealing with 572 00:32:08,040 --> 00:32:11,160 Speaker 5: high costs of all sorts of things and can ill 573 00:32:11,200 --> 00:32:17,960 Speaker 5: afford pun intended to have this increase in their healthcare premiums. 574 00:32:18,320 --> 00:32:21,200 Speaker 1: Suon is really an interesting guy because I feel like 575 00:32:21,520 --> 00:32:26,440 Speaker 1: he's one of these Republican senators who's had to make 576 00:32:26,600 --> 00:32:30,800 Speaker 1: a faustian bargain to go along with Trump. Is clearly 577 00:32:30,880 --> 00:32:33,120 Speaker 1: he knows better. He's been in the Senate a long time. 578 00:32:33,320 --> 00:32:37,360 Speaker 1: He's you know, I'm sure you've done bipartisan legislation with him. 579 00:32:37,640 --> 00:32:39,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, I wonder if you could talk. 580 00:32:39,560 --> 00:32:42,640 Speaker 1: About how if you're John Soon, I mean, what's the 581 00:32:42,720 --> 00:32:47,040 Speaker 1: play here, right? Because you see your already is just 582 00:32:47,600 --> 00:32:52,520 Speaker 1: hemorrhaging elections, right, you know that you could theoretically even 583 00:32:52,600 --> 00:32:55,320 Speaker 1: lose the Senate despite the Senate map being so bad 584 00:32:55,320 --> 00:32:58,880 Speaker 1: for Democrats. You have an impossible situation. But you know, 585 00:32:58,960 --> 00:33:02,920 Speaker 1: Republicans don't want extend these subsidies, partially because I think 586 00:33:03,040 --> 00:33:06,600 Speaker 1: they know that to step towards a government you know, 587 00:33:06,680 --> 00:33:10,000 Speaker 1: it's a step towards single payer, really, and that's why. 588 00:33:10,080 --> 00:33:12,320 Speaker 1: And it's from the pandemic, and they're hoping that maybe 589 00:33:12,320 --> 00:33:15,200 Speaker 1: they can reverse it and but I think I think 590 00:33:15,240 --> 00:33:17,920 Speaker 1: the public sentiment is to you know, Obamacare is as 591 00:33:18,000 --> 00:33:20,880 Speaker 1: popular as it's ever been. The recent polling showing it's 592 00:33:20,920 --> 00:33:23,360 Speaker 1: you know, gonzo, So talk us through what you think 593 00:33:23,720 --> 00:33:24,560 Speaker 1: is happening there. 594 00:33:24,720 --> 00:33:26,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, so as you reflect. 595 00:33:26,840 --> 00:33:33,240 Speaker 5: Polling suggests that huge percentages of Americans, including a majority 596 00:33:33,400 --> 00:33:38,880 Speaker 5: a significant majority of Republicans, want Congress to extend these 597 00:33:38,920 --> 00:33:42,000 Speaker 5: tax credits. I haven't seen the latest round of polling, 598 00:33:42,080 --> 00:33:47,520 Speaker 5: but this is very, very sizable majorities. Trump has access 599 00:33:47,560 --> 00:33:52,520 Speaker 5: to that polling. Trump maybe wants to keep both Houses 600 00:33:52,560 --> 00:33:56,360 Speaker 5: of Congress and Republican control in the second two years 601 00:33:56,400 --> 00:34:00,280 Speaker 5: of his administration so he can enact his agenda. And 602 00:34:00,320 --> 00:34:04,000 Speaker 5: so I think what might be going through Leader Thune's 603 00:34:04,080 --> 00:34:06,920 Speaker 5: brain is, is this guy gonna throw me under the 604 00:34:06,960 --> 00:34:10,520 Speaker 5: bus at some point when finally his holsters get his 605 00:34:10,560 --> 00:34:13,480 Speaker 5: attention and say, we lose the House if you don't 606 00:34:13,520 --> 00:34:16,719 Speaker 5: do something. I've got to think that he knows that. 607 00:34:17,960 --> 00:34:23,080 Speaker 5: Right now, Trump's expectation of Senate Republicans is that they 608 00:34:23,400 --> 00:34:28,160 Speaker 5: don't enact a democratic plan to extend the tax credits, 609 00:34:28,320 --> 00:34:31,680 Speaker 5: the tax breaks for working families for three more years. 610 00:34:32,040 --> 00:34:35,480 Speaker 5: But what do they do as their endgame? I don't 611 00:34:35,520 --> 00:34:38,680 Speaker 5: know the answer to that. That's just speculation. But he's 612 00:34:38,719 --> 00:34:41,440 Speaker 5: got to be thinking about like when when is the 613 00:34:41,480 --> 00:34:44,120 Speaker 5: president going to throw me under the bus? Because I 614 00:34:44,120 --> 00:34:44,960 Speaker 5: think it's coming. 615 00:34:45,520 --> 00:34:47,719 Speaker 1: I mean, stefonic is such a great example of how 616 00:34:47,760 --> 00:34:49,680 Speaker 1: you can go along with Trump and then just he 617 00:34:49,719 --> 00:34:52,000 Speaker 1: has no loyalty to anyone, right. 618 00:34:52,440 --> 00:34:56,200 Speaker 5: Well, look at Taylor Green, I mean, Marjorie Taylor Green. 619 00:34:56,440 --> 00:34:57,960 Speaker 2: Green is unbelievable. 620 00:34:58,160 --> 00:35:00,960 Speaker 5: I mean, that was on this topic, Like just think 621 00:35:01,000 --> 00:35:04,799 Speaker 5: about she was so reflective in this particular instance of 622 00:35:04,840 --> 00:35:07,839 Speaker 5: what so many Americans are thinking. I understand. She has 623 00:35:07,880 --> 00:35:11,239 Speaker 5: adult children who got their notices that said this is 624 00:35:11,440 --> 00:35:13,799 Speaker 5: what your health care costs. Now, this is what it's 625 00:35:13,840 --> 00:35:17,040 Speaker 5: going to cost next year. They're young adults, new in 626 00:35:17,080 --> 00:35:20,320 Speaker 5: the work world, and they're looking at these premiums, going mom, 627 00:35:20,719 --> 00:35:23,719 Speaker 5: what am I going to do? And she's realizing that 628 00:35:23,760 --> 00:35:27,680 Speaker 5: her constituents, you know, this is real, this is you know, 629 00:35:27,760 --> 00:35:31,839 Speaker 5: every number is a person and a family. And so 630 00:35:31,920 --> 00:35:35,080 Speaker 5: she spoke up and said we should extend these And 631 00:35:35,600 --> 00:35:38,719 Speaker 5: that's what happens when you stand up to Trump. As 632 00:35:38,760 --> 00:35:44,160 Speaker 5: you've seen, she's not only not running again, she's leaving 633 00:35:44,719 --> 00:35:47,600 Speaker 5: the house before the end of her term. 634 00:35:48,000 --> 00:35:50,839 Speaker 1: Yeah, because she's getting Danser, She's getting the thing that 635 00:35:50,920 --> 00:35:52,879 Speaker 1: everybody gets when they go against Trump. 636 00:35:52,960 --> 00:35:54,240 Speaker 2: I mean, it's just wild. 637 00:35:54,520 --> 00:35:57,799 Speaker 1: So I know that Keem's camp has a sort of 638 00:35:57,840 --> 00:36:00,319 Speaker 1: clean discharge petition on House Care. 639 00:36:00,560 --> 00:36:02,200 Speaker 2: God bless them for a minute. 640 00:36:02,200 --> 00:36:04,080 Speaker 1: As someone who's been a Senator for a long time, 641 00:36:04,200 --> 00:36:07,000 Speaker 1: how shocked are you that discharge petitions are the new 642 00:36:07,040 --> 00:36:07,720 Speaker 1: normal now? 643 00:36:08,120 --> 00:36:11,960 Speaker 5: Well, in this environment, if there are going to be 644 00:36:12,239 --> 00:36:16,319 Speaker 5: checks and balances and Speaker Johnson is just going to 645 00:36:16,320 --> 00:36:21,200 Speaker 5: be Trump's lapdog, it is the only tool that works, right, 646 00:36:21,360 --> 00:36:24,520 Speaker 5: And so in some ways, you know, I hope that 647 00:36:24,600 --> 00:36:30,319 Speaker 5: there are still a handful or more House Republicans who say, oh, 648 00:36:30,320 --> 00:36:32,760 Speaker 5: by the way, we're the Article one branch of government, 649 00:36:32,840 --> 00:36:36,160 Speaker 5: and we're supposed to actually make the laws and appropriate 650 00:36:36,200 --> 00:36:39,239 Speaker 5: the dollars, not the president, and so we want to 651 00:36:39,280 --> 00:36:42,000 Speaker 5: actually exercise that. And the fact that it kind of 652 00:36:42,160 --> 00:36:47,640 Speaker 5: played out with the Epstein files is interesting because that 653 00:36:47,840 --> 00:36:50,400 Speaker 5: was not so much that we passed the laws we 654 00:36:50,480 --> 00:36:53,960 Speaker 5: fund the government, but it was a very important exercise 655 00:36:54,120 --> 00:36:58,280 Speaker 5: to say, hey, we're relevant as a Congress. So yeah, 656 00:36:58,400 --> 00:37:02,080 Speaker 5: I mean, in this and viron, in this crazy environment, 657 00:37:02,560 --> 00:37:06,880 Speaker 5: discharge petitions. I hope will become the norm if Speaker 658 00:37:07,000 --> 00:37:10,960 Speaker 5: Johnson remains Speaker for the balance of this session. 659 00:37:11,200 --> 00:37:14,400 Speaker 2: It seems like he might not right exactly. 660 00:37:14,400 --> 00:37:17,319 Speaker 5: I've been reading bits and pieces here that suggests that 661 00:37:17,520 --> 00:37:20,799 Speaker 5: there are folks that are unhappy. They're probably folks that 662 00:37:20,840 --> 00:37:23,520 Speaker 5: are very unhappy that he put them out of session 663 00:37:23,680 --> 00:37:27,120 Speaker 5: for seven weeks rather than face up to the discharge 664 00:37:27,520 --> 00:37:31,759 Speaker 5: petition during the shutdown. I mean, what sort of cowardice. 665 00:37:32,080 --> 00:37:36,040 Speaker 5: In any event, I used to be obsessed on the House. 666 00:37:36,080 --> 00:37:40,040 Speaker 5: Now I'm I'm not as much anymore, Like I just 667 00:37:40,080 --> 00:37:41,720 Speaker 5: want the Senate to do it stuff. 668 00:37:41,800 --> 00:37:44,680 Speaker 1: So talk to me about what Democrats are offering in 669 00:37:44,719 --> 00:37:45,200 Speaker 1: the Senate. 670 00:37:45,440 --> 00:37:48,080 Speaker 5: So we have a clean three year extension for the 671 00:37:48,160 --> 00:37:52,040 Speaker 5: tax breaks that working families rely on to bring down 672 00:37:52,040 --> 00:37:55,320 Speaker 5: the cost of their premiums. Now, I have to just say, 673 00:37:55,480 --> 00:37:59,160 Speaker 5: time is running out. We're talking days before the end 674 00:37:59,160 --> 00:38:03,160 Speaker 5: of open enroll and if we were to secure passage 675 00:38:03,160 --> 00:38:06,359 Speaker 5: of this legislation, they use a discharge petition to pass 676 00:38:06,400 --> 00:38:09,160 Speaker 5: it through the House, comes to the President's desk, he 677 00:38:09,320 --> 00:38:11,719 Speaker 5: signs it into law, we'd have to extend the open 678 00:38:11,800 --> 00:38:15,960 Speaker 5: enrollment period. That's a lot of ifs though, really a lot. Yeah, 679 00:38:16,320 --> 00:38:20,640 Speaker 5: that vote happens tomorrow. As I was describing earlier leader 680 00:38:20,760 --> 00:38:26,520 Speaker 5: thun plans on bringing this Republican plan of health savings 681 00:38:26,600 --> 00:38:30,480 Speaker 5: accounts as a side by side, I don't believe he 682 00:38:31,200 --> 00:38:35,080 Speaker 5: has all of his caucus on that plan. It's so 683 00:38:35,320 --> 00:38:38,560 Speaker 5: half baked. I don't know how many Republicans we get 684 00:38:38,760 --> 00:38:42,239 Speaker 5: to vote on our plan, But in order to pass it, 685 00:38:42,320 --> 00:38:45,520 Speaker 5: we would need thirteen of them to come join us 686 00:38:45,560 --> 00:38:48,359 Speaker 5: in that, which is a tall order in these very 687 00:38:48,400 --> 00:38:52,960 Speaker 5: divided times. Not impossible. So please keep calling your representatives 688 00:38:52,960 --> 00:38:53,680 Speaker 5: and senators. 689 00:38:53,920 --> 00:38:56,839 Speaker 1: Yeah, could you get thirteen? I feel like there are 690 00:38:56,880 --> 00:38:59,319 Speaker 1: four or five that are reasonable. 691 00:38:59,680 --> 00:39:02,919 Speaker 5: Yeah, and many of them who are upper reelection. It's 692 00:39:03,000 --> 00:39:05,279 Speaker 5: just a free vote for them to get well with 693 00:39:05,360 --> 00:39:09,080 Speaker 5: their constituents. I voted for the extension of the tax credits, 694 00:39:09,120 --> 00:39:12,040 Speaker 5: but it didn't pass, but I voted for it, so 695 00:39:12,080 --> 00:39:15,920 Speaker 5: we'll see what happens. Look, there are probably a handful 696 00:39:16,120 --> 00:39:20,560 Speaker 5: more than four that would vote for perhaps a shorter 697 00:39:20,719 --> 00:39:24,080 Speaker 5: extension or with some modifications. But that's not where we 698 00:39:24,120 --> 00:39:27,520 Speaker 5: wanted to start with our offer of like making all 699 00:39:27,560 --> 00:39:31,600 Speaker 5: the concessions to get like six Republicans instead of four. Right, 700 00:39:31,800 --> 00:39:35,640 Speaker 5: we need stability in the insurance market, and we need 701 00:39:35,680 --> 00:39:38,200 Speaker 5: to use that as a jumping off point for much 702 00:39:38,280 --> 00:39:42,279 Speaker 5: broader reforms. Let me be the first to say the 703 00:39:42,280 --> 00:39:45,839 Speaker 5: healthcare system is broken and we are just trying to 704 00:39:45,920 --> 00:39:49,840 Speaker 5: prevent a crisis in the individual market. But we have 705 00:39:50,040 --> 00:39:53,560 Speaker 5: a ton of work to do in broader reforms to 706 00:39:53,800 --> 00:39:57,320 Speaker 5: make sure that our healthcare system is working for everybody, 707 00:39:57,760 --> 00:40:01,520 Speaker 5: like most industrialized countries in the world, world do well. 708 00:40:01,760 --> 00:40:05,960 Speaker 1: Not to cite John Bayner, but didn't he say that 709 00:40:06,040 --> 00:40:10,040 Speaker 1: Republicans have never, ever, ever, ever agreed about any saying 710 00:40:10,080 --> 00:40:11,040 Speaker 1: when it comes to healthcare. 711 00:40:11,320 --> 00:40:14,520 Speaker 5: I don't remember that quote specifically, but I trust you 712 00:40:14,760 --> 00:40:15,160 Speaker 5: on that. 713 00:40:15,239 --> 00:40:17,440 Speaker 2: I think recently he said something to that effect. 714 00:40:17,600 --> 00:40:20,120 Speaker 5: Yeah, he led the House when I was there, and 715 00:40:20,320 --> 00:40:25,160 Speaker 5: he certainly experienced that both before and during the Affordable 716 00:40:25,239 --> 00:40:28,759 Speaker 5: Care Act debate and after. The only thing that they 717 00:40:28,920 --> 00:40:32,480 Speaker 5: really agreed on was that they wanted to repeal something 718 00:40:32,640 --> 00:40:37,120 Speaker 5: that was nicknamed after the president who secured its passage, 719 00:40:37,320 --> 00:40:41,000 Speaker 5: President Obama. That's the only thing that I think Republicans 720 00:40:41,040 --> 00:40:44,160 Speaker 5: have really come to agree on. Healthcare is the issue 721 00:40:44,200 --> 00:40:47,719 Speaker 5: I'm most passionate about because it is so personal to 722 00:40:47,920 --> 00:40:50,480 Speaker 5: so many. I have bold reforms that I want to 723 00:40:50,480 --> 00:40:53,840 Speaker 5: see enacted. But I do see common ground with my 724 00:40:53,920 --> 00:40:58,719 Speaker 5: Republican colleagues on some more specific things that you know, 725 00:40:58,840 --> 00:41:02,520 Speaker 5: especially going after the little men and lifting the veil 726 00:41:02,719 --> 00:41:04,920 Speaker 5: of all the secret stuff that goes on behind the 727 00:41:05,000 --> 00:41:09,960 Speaker 5: veil that really adds costs to the system that are needless. 728 00:41:10,160 --> 00:41:14,480 Speaker 5: It's just folks that are in the system preferring profits 729 00:41:14,520 --> 00:41:15,680 Speaker 5: over patient care. 730 00:41:16,080 --> 00:41:16,360 Speaker 4: Right. 731 00:41:16,560 --> 00:41:21,319 Speaker 1: It's very unsurprising, and also it's really disappointing that the 732 00:41:21,480 --> 00:41:25,080 Speaker 1: Doge crew was not at all interested in fraud, waste, 733 00:41:25,080 --> 00:41:28,480 Speaker 1: and abuse for two seconds. There's so much carnage that 734 00:41:28,520 --> 00:41:31,600 Speaker 1: Trump world has wrought when it comes to foreign aid, 735 00:41:31,840 --> 00:41:33,960 Speaker 1: especially during the holiday season. We're thinking about all these 736 00:41:34,040 --> 00:41:36,480 Speaker 1: children who are you know, starving to death or dying 737 00:41:36,480 --> 00:41:40,400 Speaker 1: of preventable diseases, and then there's RFK Junior just running 738 00:41:40,600 --> 00:41:43,040 Speaker 1: roughshaw over all of our vaccines. 739 00:41:43,120 --> 00:41:44,840 Speaker 2: Is there anything you guys can do. 740 00:41:45,280 --> 00:41:47,760 Speaker 1: As has sort of grown ups in the room, about 741 00:41:47,800 --> 00:41:51,200 Speaker 1: any of the checks and balances on Trump's craziness? 742 00:41:51,520 --> 00:41:54,920 Speaker 5: There is? And I haven't given up hope that we 743 00:41:55,040 --> 00:41:59,120 Speaker 5: might be able to pass all of our appropriations bills, 744 00:41:59,239 --> 00:42:02,160 Speaker 5: because when those become law, we are going to be 745 00:42:02,200 --> 00:42:05,600 Speaker 5: in a much stronger position to force somebody like Secretary 746 00:42:05,719 --> 00:42:11,520 Speaker 5: Kennedy or in Education Secretary in McMahon to actually do 747 00:42:11,600 --> 00:42:14,479 Speaker 5: their jobs and spend the money as we direct rather 748 00:42:14,560 --> 00:42:17,520 Speaker 5: than spend the money as Doge or somebody else pleases. 749 00:42:17,800 --> 00:42:21,520 Speaker 5: And that's what we've seen, is that because we haven't 750 00:42:21,719 --> 00:42:26,040 Speaker 5: passed the twenty fiscal year twenty twenty six spending bills, 751 00:42:26,160 --> 00:42:28,800 Speaker 5: that they're just saying, well, if we don't have clear direction, 752 00:42:29,000 --> 00:42:31,720 Speaker 5: we can do what we want. So we've seen funding 753 00:42:31,800 --> 00:42:37,080 Speaker 5: to research cut, we've seen funding to disease prevention and 754 00:42:37,239 --> 00:42:41,600 Speaker 5: vaccine research and initiatives cut, and we've seen the Education 755 00:42:41,800 --> 00:42:45,799 Speaker 5: Department being dismantled before our very eyes. So why do 756 00:42:45,880 --> 00:42:48,640 Speaker 5: I have hoped that we can actually pass these appropriation bills. 757 00:42:48,680 --> 00:42:52,719 Speaker 5: The reason is because there's been bipartisan agreement to sort 758 00:42:52,760 --> 00:42:55,600 Speaker 5: of cueue them up for consideration. We've already passed three 759 00:42:55,760 --> 00:43:01,200 Speaker 5: into law, which has stabilized the Veterans Anddministration, which has 760 00:43:01,280 --> 00:43:05,239 Speaker 5: stabilized the US Department of Agriculture. But now we need 761 00:43:05,280 --> 00:43:08,840 Speaker 5: to take the next steps and pass the rest of 762 00:43:08,880 --> 00:43:12,880 Speaker 5: our appropriation bills for the Department of Labor, the Department 763 00:43:12,920 --> 00:43:17,759 Speaker 5: of Health, the Department of Education, for the Defense Department 764 00:43:17,840 --> 00:43:21,200 Speaker 5: to put some guardrails in there. There's a possibility. I'm 765 00:43:21,239 --> 00:43:23,960 Speaker 5: not going to say that I am one hundred percent 766 00:43:24,200 --> 00:43:25,799 Speaker 5: sure that we're going to be able to do that, 767 00:43:26,160 --> 00:43:29,000 Speaker 5: but we are making our way forward and I am 768 00:43:29,040 --> 00:43:30,400 Speaker 5: hopeful that we'll be able to do that. 769 00:43:30,640 --> 00:43:33,720 Speaker 1: Thank you so much, Senator Baldwin. This is really great 770 00:43:33,760 --> 00:43:34,840 Speaker 1: and really appreciate you. 771 00:43:35,360 --> 00:43:36,560 Speaker 5: Thank you for having me. 772 00:43:38,680 --> 00:43:44,000 Speaker 2: There all more secretly, Jesse Cannon. 773 00:43:44,040 --> 00:43:47,960 Speaker 3: So, Molly, as we know, the Trump administration has basically 774 00:43:47,960 --> 00:43:52,440 Speaker 3: got two arms, one doing disgustingly cruel policies and the 775 00:43:52,480 --> 00:43:56,400 Speaker 3: other is doing disgustingly corrupt policies. And this one falls 776 00:43:56,440 --> 00:43:59,440 Speaker 3: into the disgustingly corrupt. But there might be some oversight. 777 00:43:59,760 --> 00:44:05,279 Speaker 1: Yeah, so again, there might be so some over So 778 00:44:05,400 --> 00:44:10,799 Speaker 1: it's sad a US senator called for oversight of an 779 00:44:10,840 --> 00:44:14,680 Speaker 1: insider trading inquiry over Trump donor buying twelve million dollars 780 00:44:14,719 --> 00:44:19,320 Speaker 1: worth of shares. So you still liquefied natural gas firm 781 00:44:19,600 --> 00:44:26,000 Speaker 1: bought twelve million dollars of stock after meeting with Trump officials, 782 00:44:26,000 --> 00:44:29,440 Speaker 1: denies wrongdoing. Look, this is what keeps happening here with 783 00:44:29,480 --> 00:44:32,000 Speaker 1: Trump world, is they keep doing things like they keep 784 00:44:32,360 --> 00:44:36,480 Speaker 1: doing these kind of very kleptocratic moves. You know, you 785 00:44:36,560 --> 00:44:40,879 Speaker 1: got Jeff Merkley from Morgan saying that they're going to investigate. Look, 786 00:44:41,000 --> 00:44:44,520 Speaker 1: people are doing a lot of crimey shit. Now eventually 787 00:44:44,640 --> 00:44:47,520 Speaker 1: someone's going to get caught holding the bag. I don't 788 00:44:47,560 --> 00:44:50,240 Speaker 1: know when that is. I don't know how that works. 789 00:44:50,800 --> 00:44:55,560 Speaker 1: It could be anything. So I'll be curious to see 790 00:44:56,080 --> 00:44:59,240 Speaker 1: how we can do this, how this works, I don't 791 00:44:59,280 --> 00:45:02,040 Speaker 1: think again, and somebody who's going to get in trouble 792 00:45:02,080 --> 00:45:04,080 Speaker 1: for all the crazy shit they're doing. It's just a 793 00:45:04,160 --> 00:45:07,160 Speaker 1: question of when and who is left holding the bag 794 00:45:07,239 --> 00:45:07,680 Speaker 1: and who. 795 00:45:07,920 --> 00:45:08,799 Speaker 2: Certainly a lot of. 796 00:45:08,800 --> 00:45:10,760 Speaker 1: People are going to get away with a lot of stuff, 797 00:45:10,800 --> 00:45:14,360 Speaker 1: and we're already seeing that. That's it for this episode 798 00:45:14,440 --> 00:45:20,520 Speaker 1: of Fast Politics. Tune in every Monday, Wednesday, Thursday and 799 00:45:20,800 --> 00:45:24,520 Speaker 1: Saturday to hear the best minds and politics make. 800 00:45:24,480 --> 00:45:26,640 Speaker 2: Sense of all this chaos. 801 00:45:26,960 --> 00:45:29,799 Speaker 1: If you enjoy this podcast, please send it to a 802 00:45:29,880 --> 00:45:32,240 Speaker 1: friend and keep the conversation going. 803 00:45:32,719 --> 00:45:33,840 Speaker 2: Thanks for listening.