1 00:00:00,040 --> 00:00:02,160 Speaker 1: Welcome back to the Truth with Lisa Booth, where we 2 00:00:02,200 --> 00:00:04,000 Speaker 1: get to the heart of the issues that matter to 3 00:00:04,080 --> 00:00:07,400 Speaker 1: you today. I am thrilled to welcome Shannon Breem to 4 00:00:07,480 --> 00:00:09,600 Speaker 1: the show. She is a colleague of Mind of Fox 5 00:00:09,680 --> 00:00:12,319 Speaker 1: News anchor also just one of the kindest people you'll 6 00:00:12,320 --> 00:00:15,680 Speaker 1: ever meet. God's really does radiate through her. But she's 7 00:00:15,720 --> 00:00:19,000 Speaker 1: also the author of her fourth straight New York Times 8 00:00:19,640 --> 00:00:22,920 Speaker 1: number one best selling books, Nothing Is Impossible with God 9 00:00:22,960 --> 00:00:24,720 Speaker 1: out now you can go get it. 10 00:00:24,720 --> 00:00:25,960 Speaker 2: It's a powerful book. 11 00:00:26,079 --> 00:00:30,080 Speaker 1: She dives into the stories of eleven Biblical heroes who 12 00:00:30,080 --> 00:00:33,919 Speaker 1: have faced fear, failure, waiting, doubt, and pain, all the 13 00:00:33,920 --> 00:00:36,599 Speaker 1: things that we experience in our own lives. Yet they 14 00:00:36,600 --> 00:00:40,280 Speaker 1: discover that with God, nothing is impossible. So we're talking 15 00:00:40,320 --> 00:00:44,640 Speaker 1: real life encouragement for anyone feeling stuck, weary that they're 16 00:00:44,680 --> 00:00:47,120 Speaker 1: not enough, and we're going to talk about how God 17 00:00:47,240 --> 00:00:50,960 Speaker 1: works through these imperfect people, turns their pain into purpose 18 00:00:51,080 --> 00:00:54,160 Speaker 1: and shows up even in our longest in between seasons 19 00:00:54,160 --> 00:00:56,800 Speaker 1: where we feel like we have been waiting for forever. 20 00:00:57,240 --> 00:01:05,880 Speaker 1: So stay tuned for the great Channon brand Well. Shannon Breem, 21 00:01:06,080 --> 00:01:08,240 Speaker 1: It's such an honor to have you on the show. 22 00:01:08,520 --> 00:01:11,119 Speaker 1: You are one of the kindest people in the industry, 23 00:01:11,440 --> 00:01:14,280 Speaker 1: and I'm so happy for you. You've got another number 24 00:01:14,319 --> 00:01:17,600 Speaker 1: one Times bestseller, which is not an easy thing to do, 25 00:01:17,680 --> 00:01:20,120 Speaker 1: so congratulations, Thank you. 26 00:01:20,120 --> 00:01:21,760 Speaker 2: You know, it's a team effort, and I got to 27 00:01:21,800 --> 00:01:24,240 Speaker 2: say our Fox Books team, which has launched this just 28 00:01:24,400 --> 00:01:26,280 Speaker 2: you know a few years ago, has just had amazing 29 00:01:26,319 --> 00:01:27,080 Speaker 2: success with us. 30 00:01:27,959 --> 00:01:29,959 Speaker 1: Well, I no doubt because of a lot of books 31 00:01:30,000 --> 00:01:33,040 Speaker 1: that you've written as well. I'm really interested in talking 32 00:01:33,040 --> 00:01:35,319 Speaker 1: to you about this new book, Nothing Is Impossible with God, 33 00:01:35,400 --> 00:01:39,200 Speaker 1: because it's so relatable on so many fronts. We've all 34 00:01:39,240 --> 00:01:42,400 Speaker 1: got issues, we've all got yes, we do, and your 35 00:01:42,440 --> 00:01:46,240 Speaker 1: book really gets into that, using these different examples to 36 00:01:46,280 --> 00:01:48,320 Speaker 1: sort of let us know that we're not alone, both 37 00:01:48,440 --> 00:01:50,280 Speaker 1: historically and biblically. 38 00:01:50,480 --> 00:01:53,360 Speaker 2: So we'll just start off. You say, nothing is impossible 39 00:01:53,400 --> 00:01:53,760 Speaker 2: with God. 40 00:01:53,960 --> 00:01:56,880 Speaker 1: You know, for someone right now who is listening and 41 00:01:56,960 --> 00:01:59,480 Speaker 1: just feels stuck right now, what does it look like 42 00:01:59,640 --> 00:02:01,960 Speaker 1: it in real life, everyday life, that nothing is impossible 43 00:02:02,000 --> 00:02:03,880 Speaker 1: with God? You know, these. 44 00:02:03,720 --> 00:02:06,280 Speaker 2: Eleven stories from the Bible that I included, they all 45 00:02:06,280 --> 00:02:09,720 Speaker 2: include moments of that. And you know Ecclesiast he says 46 00:02:09,760 --> 00:02:12,000 Speaker 2: there's nothing new under the sun. So whether it's a 47 00:02:12,000 --> 00:02:16,120 Speaker 2: physical challenge, a financial challenge, of broken family, feeling, oppression, 48 00:02:16,160 --> 00:02:18,320 Speaker 2: your own failures. I mean all of those things I 49 00:02:18,320 --> 00:02:21,839 Speaker 2: think translate into twenty twenty six. So we've all walked 50 00:02:21,880 --> 00:02:23,760 Speaker 2: through things like that. I would not have chosen the 51 00:02:23,840 --> 00:02:27,679 Speaker 2: really dark, hard valleys in my life, but I can 52 00:02:27,680 --> 00:02:30,160 Speaker 2: see with some retrospects what God was up to and 53 00:02:30,160 --> 00:02:32,000 Speaker 2: what he was working on. So my hope is that 54 00:02:32,040 --> 00:02:35,800 Speaker 2: when people dip into these characters, meet these people made 55 00:02:35,800 --> 00:02:38,680 Speaker 2: me feel like, Okay, I'm walking through something similar. I 56 00:02:38,720 --> 00:02:41,840 Speaker 2: can see how there is good that could potentially come 57 00:02:41,919 --> 00:02:44,440 Speaker 2: from this, and maybe my prayers aren't answered exactly the 58 00:02:44,440 --> 00:02:46,359 Speaker 2: way that I want. We see that in the Bible too, 59 00:02:46,400 --> 00:02:49,440 Speaker 2: But God is always listening and answering our prayers, and 60 00:02:49,480 --> 00:02:51,800 Speaker 2: he is working at a level that sometimes we can't 61 00:02:51,880 --> 00:02:54,280 Speaker 2: understand in the worst of those moments. 62 00:02:55,560 --> 00:02:58,040 Speaker 1: And I think what's really special too, is and you 63 00:02:58,160 --> 00:03:01,280 Speaker 1: tell these stories as well, but God uses imperfect people, 64 00:03:03,160 --> 00:03:07,400 Speaker 1: and I think those testimonies actually go really far with people, 65 00:03:07,480 --> 00:03:09,040 Speaker 1: right because there's so many people are saying I can't 66 00:03:09,080 --> 00:03:10,799 Speaker 1: be a Christian, I've messed up, I've done X, Y 67 00:03:10,880 --> 00:03:13,720 Speaker 1: and Z, what have you? And then no, God uses 68 00:03:13,760 --> 00:03:17,800 Speaker 1: imperfect people throughout the Bible, and you tell those stories 69 00:03:17,840 --> 00:03:21,800 Speaker 1: as well, and nothing's impossible with God. Why do you 70 00:03:21,800 --> 00:03:24,680 Speaker 1: think it's so important that God used people who were. 71 00:03:24,560 --> 00:03:27,880 Speaker 2: Imperfect, Well, it's good news for all of us, because 72 00:03:27,960 --> 00:03:31,359 Speaker 2: then it means that us, as sinful, flawed people who 73 00:03:31,400 --> 00:03:33,880 Speaker 2: often feel like I've messed up so much. God couldn't 74 00:03:33,880 --> 00:03:36,280 Speaker 2: love me, or he could never use me. He gives 75 00:03:36,360 --> 00:03:38,800 Speaker 2: us example after example in the Bible, and I find 76 00:03:38,800 --> 00:03:42,440 Speaker 2: that so encouraging personally, like we're never beyond the reach 77 00:03:42,520 --> 00:03:46,160 Speaker 2: of his redemption, or of his kindness, or of his fellowship, 78 00:03:46,240 --> 00:03:49,240 Speaker 2: or of his love. Most certainly, and I think Peter's 79 00:03:49,280 --> 00:03:51,600 Speaker 2: one of the stories that I included that it is 80 00:03:51,640 --> 00:03:54,280 Speaker 2: the best illustration of that, because he was so close 81 00:03:54,320 --> 00:03:57,000 Speaker 2: to Jesus, he was in that inner inner circle with him, 82 00:03:57,520 --> 00:03:59,960 Speaker 2: and yet he even got things wrong. Sometimes he didn't 83 00:04:00,080 --> 00:04:03,040 Speaker 2: would really realize who Jesus was, even though he walked 84 00:04:03,080 --> 00:04:06,320 Speaker 2: so closely with him. And there were times too that 85 00:04:06,360 --> 00:04:08,520 Speaker 2: he was you know, it was such a passionate, fiery 86 00:04:08,560 --> 00:04:11,600 Speaker 2: guy like you. He's spoken, you know, just extremes like 87 00:04:11,680 --> 00:04:14,000 Speaker 2: always and never like when Jesus told him at the 88 00:04:14,080 --> 00:04:16,760 Speaker 2: last supper, You're going to betray me. Peter just couldn't 89 00:04:16,760 --> 00:04:19,680 Speaker 2: fathom that he would do that, and he's like, never, never, Lord, 90 00:04:19,440 --> 00:04:21,159 Speaker 2: would even if have to die with you, I would 91 00:04:21,200 --> 00:04:23,280 Speaker 2: never do that. And yet it was just a matter 92 00:04:23,320 --> 00:04:25,719 Speaker 2: of hours later that he did that, and it broke 93 00:04:25,839 --> 00:04:28,599 Speaker 2: his own heart. It crushed him that in the moment 94 00:04:28,640 --> 00:04:32,240 Speaker 2: when his his friend needed him going off to that 95 00:04:32,320 --> 00:04:36,080 Speaker 2: sham trial and to the crucifixion, that you know, he 96 00:04:36,360 --> 00:04:38,719 Speaker 2: was the one who turned his back on him. So 97 00:04:39,000 --> 00:04:42,000 Speaker 2: instead of being true to his friend, he betrayed him, 98 00:04:42,000 --> 00:04:44,159 Speaker 2: just as Jesus said he would. And I've often thought, 99 00:04:44,600 --> 00:04:48,599 Speaker 2: you know, that weekend before that first Easter Resurrection, how 100 00:04:48,640 --> 00:04:52,359 Speaker 2: broken hearted Peter must have been, not maybe understanding that 101 00:04:52,440 --> 00:04:54,560 Speaker 2: Jesus was going to come back and defeat death and 102 00:04:54,600 --> 00:04:57,479 Speaker 2: sin rise from the grave. I mean, he probably felt like, 103 00:04:57,920 --> 00:05:00,520 Speaker 2: how in the world could I have done this to him? 104 00:05:01,000 --> 00:05:03,800 Speaker 2: But when Jesus does come back, he doesn't say, hey, 105 00:05:03,800 --> 00:05:07,279 Speaker 2: you're totally disqualified, you left me, you betrayed your faith. 106 00:05:07,560 --> 00:05:09,479 Speaker 2: He doesn't do that. He goes to Peter and he 107 00:05:09,600 --> 00:05:13,920 Speaker 2: talks him through lovingly bringing him back, repairing that relationship, 108 00:05:13,920 --> 00:05:16,440 Speaker 2: and then obviously using him to build the Early Church. 109 00:05:16,480 --> 00:05:18,599 Speaker 2: He'd renamed Peter the Rock. He was the rock of 110 00:05:18,600 --> 00:05:21,360 Speaker 2: the Early Church. So I love that every single one 111 00:05:21,360 --> 00:05:23,520 Speaker 2: of these people is flawed because and it means that, 112 00:05:23,839 --> 00:05:25,560 Speaker 2: you know, us being flawed, we can be part of 113 00:05:25,600 --> 00:05:26,360 Speaker 2: God's plan too. 114 00:05:26,760 --> 00:05:29,200 Speaker 1: Well. Yeah, and even if you're walking closely with Jesus, 115 00:05:29,200 --> 00:05:33,039 Speaker 1: you can still fall. Yes, there's even redemption for that 116 00:05:33,160 --> 00:05:35,760 Speaker 1: as well. So this next question is a little bit 117 00:05:36,040 --> 00:05:38,760 Speaker 1: I ask it selfishly about periods. 118 00:05:39,040 --> 00:05:40,480 Speaker 2: It's about periods of waiting. 119 00:05:40,640 --> 00:05:41,960 Speaker 1: You know a lot of these figures that you know, 120 00:05:42,000 --> 00:05:45,080 Speaker 1: they didn't have instant breakthroughs, they had long periods of 121 00:05:45,080 --> 00:05:48,680 Speaker 1: waiting in life. What do you say to people who 122 00:05:48,680 --> 00:05:51,560 Speaker 1: are in those in between periods, who you know they've 123 00:05:51,560 --> 00:05:55,320 Speaker 1: got these dreams and these desires and they haven't they 124 00:05:55,320 --> 00:05:56,640 Speaker 1: haven't quite gotten there yet. 125 00:05:56,960 --> 00:05:59,480 Speaker 2: Well, listen, I can totally relate because I think sometimes 126 00:05:59,520 --> 00:06:01,600 Speaker 2: people will look at your life at the moment it 127 00:06:01,640 --> 00:06:04,000 Speaker 2: is now, this snapshot in time, like, oh, you're successful 128 00:06:04,040 --> 00:06:06,800 Speaker 2: and this is working, and that's working when everybody who 129 00:06:06,800 --> 00:06:09,320 Speaker 2: gets to that place has had failures and we'll have 130 00:06:09,400 --> 00:06:11,400 Speaker 2: other failures. And I had times of waiting where I 131 00:06:11,400 --> 00:06:13,240 Speaker 2: just felt like I was beating my head against a 132 00:06:13,279 --> 00:06:16,400 Speaker 2: brick wall, like, why is nothing working? All these things? 133 00:06:16,440 --> 00:06:19,560 Speaker 2: I'm working hard, I'm believing, I'm praying, I'm trying, and 134 00:06:19,600 --> 00:06:22,760 Speaker 2: I'm just stuck, like grinding in neutral. And whether that's 135 00:06:22,839 --> 00:06:25,400 Speaker 2: personally or professionally, I think we all can relate to 136 00:06:25,480 --> 00:06:28,200 Speaker 2: periods of that. And you know, I think about that. 137 00:06:28,240 --> 00:06:30,160 Speaker 2: In the Bible over and over again, we see people 138 00:06:30,240 --> 00:06:32,760 Speaker 2: who are waiting for God to answer. I think about, 139 00:06:33,000 --> 00:06:34,880 Speaker 2: you know, Hannah in the Old Testament, when she was 140 00:06:35,000 --> 00:06:38,279 Speaker 2: desperately wanting a child, you know, and we see her 141 00:06:38,440 --> 00:06:42,120 Speaker 2: in prayer in the synagogue, weeping and so overcome with 142 00:06:42,200 --> 00:06:44,960 Speaker 2: wanting this child that the priest essentially kicks her out. 143 00:06:45,040 --> 00:06:46,640 Speaker 2: He thinks she's drunk, like get out of here, a 144 00:06:46,720 --> 00:06:49,359 Speaker 2: drunk woman. And she's like, no, no, no, you don't understand. 145 00:06:49,400 --> 00:06:51,240 Speaker 2: You know, I'm just pouring out my heart in this, 146 00:06:51,400 --> 00:06:55,160 Speaker 2: in this brokenness over wanting this precious child, which eventually 147 00:06:55,200 --> 00:06:58,640 Speaker 2: came to be. But it just reminds us that, you know, 148 00:06:58,720 --> 00:07:02,000 Speaker 2: there are times of waiting where we learned patients. I 149 00:07:02,040 --> 00:07:04,200 Speaker 2: often tell the story about getting fired form my very 150 00:07:04,279 --> 00:07:06,920 Speaker 2: first TV job, and it was not pleasant. I would 151 00:07:06,960 --> 00:07:09,560 Speaker 2: not have chosen that. I do not recommend getting fired. 152 00:07:10,160 --> 00:07:12,600 Speaker 2: But I spent months and months and months looking for 153 00:07:12,720 --> 00:07:14,800 Speaker 2: my next job, for somebody to take a chance on me. 154 00:07:15,320 --> 00:07:17,320 Speaker 2: And there was a lot of time there to pray 155 00:07:17,360 --> 00:07:19,480 Speaker 2: and say like, all right, Lord, I know you're teaching 156 00:07:19,520 --> 00:07:21,600 Speaker 2: me something in this, but this is really painful to 157 00:07:21,680 --> 00:07:23,960 Speaker 2: not have a paycheck, to feel like I've blown up 158 00:07:23,960 --> 00:07:27,080 Speaker 2: my whole life, my career is destroyed. I get the 159 00:07:27,120 --> 00:07:29,600 Speaker 2: waiting period, but I can look back on it now 160 00:07:29,640 --> 00:07:33,360 Speaker 2: and see that I was actually learning things and sometimes 161 00:07:33,440 --> 00:07:35,200 Speaker 2: my thick skull, I got to learn them the hard way. 162 00:07:36,000 --> 00:07:39,320 Speaker 1: Well, Shannon, we share that in common. I was also fired. 163 00:07:39,840 --> 00:07:41,600 Speaker 1: It was kind of my fault because I gave them 164 00:07:41,600 --> 00:07:44,160 Speaker 1: an ultimatum and I was younger, and I thought I 165 00:07:44,320 --> 00:07:46,600 Speaker 1: kind of like had the cards, and then they're like 166 00:07:46,640 --> 00:07:47,920 Speaker 1: the other one, you're fired. 167 00:07:48,600 --> 00:07:51,080 Speaker 2: And relationships too, like if you don't do X, Y 168 00:07:51,120 --> 00:07:52,480 Speaker 2: and Z, then I'm out of here, and they're like, well, 169 00:07:52,520 --> 00:07:53,480 Speaker 2: I guess it's not going to work. 170 00:07:54,880 --> 00:07:57,440 Speaker 1: It's deeply humbling, and I honestly think it was one 171 00:07:57,440 --> 00:07:59,600 Speaker 1: of the best things that ever had happened to me. 172 00:07:59,880 --> 00:08:02,560 Speaker 1: I learned. I learned it was a character building lesson. 173 00:08:02,880 --> 00:08:06,760 Speaker 2: Hey, character building, that's a good way to put it exactly. 174 00:08:07,200 --> 00:08:08,760 Speaker 2: I think it's healthy every one, but. 175 00:08:08,720 --> 00:08:11,320 Speaker 1: Don't force it because you know I deserved it. We 176 00:08:11,400 --> 00:08:14,800 Speaker 1: also in that vein, you know, we experience self doubt. 177 00:08:15,000 --> 00:08:17,640 Speaker 1: You know, so many asks. You even even if you're 178 00:08:17,920 --> 00:08:20,720 Speaker 1: writing eye and things are going well, there's still that doubt, 179 00:08:20,800 --> 00:08:23,040 Speaker 1: like Moses question whether he was capable. 180 00:08:24,240 --> 00:08:25,800 Speaker 2: So walk us through that that. 181 00:08:26,040 --> 00:08:28,880 Speaker 1: You know, even the strongest people, the most capable people 182 00:08:29,120 --> 00:08:31,800 Speaker 1: still struggle with am I good enough? Can I do this? 183 00:08:32,679 --> 00:08:36,280 Speaker 2: I can still God calling exactly right? They don't often 184 00:08:36,320 --> 00:08:38,440 Speaker 2: start that way. A lot of these people were able 185 00:08:38,480 --> 00:08:41,160 Speaker 2: to meet them where they have enormous self doubt and 186 00:08:41,200 --> 00:08:43,840 Speaker 2: fear about what God is calling them to. We say 187 00:08:43,840 --> 00:08:45,920 Speaker 2: that with Gideon and with Moses, they're some of the 188 00:08:45,920 --> 00:08:49,400 Speaker 2: best stories for looking at that particular principle. And what 189 00:08:49,440 --> 00:08:52,240 Speaker 2: it requires is stepping out in faith on the next thing, 190 00:08:52,480 --> 00:08:54,160 Speaker 2: just the next thing. I mean, if God told us 191 00:08:54,160 --> 00:08:57,080 Speaker 2: our whole story, we'd probably be overwhelmed by every dip 192 00:08:57,120 --> 00:09:00,480 Speaker 2: and valley and mountaintop that would happen in our lives. 193 00:09:01,200 --> 00:09:03,400 Speaker 2: And you know when Moses, you know, God comes to 194 00:09:03,480 --> 00:09:06,280 Speaker 2: him in a burning bush, and I think we'd all 195 00:09:06,320 --> 00:09:07,920 Speaker 2: freak out I'm just going to speak for myself. I 196 00:09:07,960 --> 00:09:10,240 Speaker 2: would definitely freak out in that moment or these times 197 00:09:10,280 --> 00:09:13,200 Speaker 2: where an angel shows up to people. But instead of 198 00:09:13,240 --> 00:09:16,360 Speaker 2: Moses saying, like, Lord, okay, you send me, I'm going 199 00:09:16,400 --> 00:09:18,360 Speaker 2: to go. As we see some faithful people do in 200 00:09:18,400 --> 00:09:20,440 Speaker 2: the Bible, most of them have a little bit of 201 00:09:20,440 --> 00:09:22,400 Speaker 2: apprehension on the front end of their story, and Moses 202 00:09:22,440 --> 00:09:25,400 Speaker 2: is like, I can't speak, I'm not the person. You've 203 00:09:25,440 --> 00:09:28,560 Speaker 2: got the wrong person. We're essentially telling God he's wrong. 204 00:09:28,760 --> 00:09:30,560 Speaker 2: You know You're We're going to argue and reason with 205 00:09:30,600 --> 00:09:32,840 Speaker 2: God like, Nope, this assignment or what you've chosen me for, 206 00:09:33,280 --> 00:09:36,080 Speaker 2: can't do it. You got the wrong person. But God 207 00:09:36,120 --> 00:09:38,800 Speaker 2: doesn't abandon them there. I think he works them through. 208 00:09:38,880 --> 00:09:41,160 Speaker 2: And with Gideon, you see his story too. He meets 209 00:09:41,160 --> 00:09:44,160 Speaker 2: them where they're at. He understands their fear as human beings, 210 00:09:44,559 --> 00:09:46,920 Speaker 2: and he provides for them every little step of the way. 211 00:09:46,960 --> 00:09:49,360 Speaker 2: But they've got to take that next little step of faith. 212 00:09:49,480 --> 00:09:52,320 Speaker 2: So when you have self doubt, I mean, that's definitely 213 00:09:52,320 --> 00:09:54,360 Speaker 2: one of the things we all have to work to 214 00:09:54,400 --> 00:09:57,240 Speaker 2: overcome at some point. But if you know God is 215 00:09:57,280 --> 00:10:00,480 Speaker 2: with you in leading you, trusting him takes faith. That's 216 00:10:00,520 --> 00:10:02,600 Speaker 2: what it is. That's what faith is, is stepping out 217 00:10:02,840 --> 00:10:06,280 Speaker 2: where we don't see the guarantee of success or of 218 00:10:06,320 --> 00:10:09,600 Speaker 2: some happy ending, but just trusting that He has a 219 00:10:09,640 --> 00:10:13,160 Speaker 2: purpose in that journey. And so both in Moses and Gideon, 220 00:10:13,200 --> 00:10:16,480 Speaker 2: we see enormous, enormous growth in their faith and their 221 00:10:16,520 --> 00:10:19,280 Speaker 2: trust and everything that God told them. You know, when 222 00:10:19,600 --> 00:10:23,000 Speaker 2: Gideon is met by the Lord, God addresses him as 223 00:10:23,160 --> 00:10:27,120 Speaker 2: mighty warrior, and Gideon's anything but I mean, he's hiding out, 224 00:10:27,480 --> 00:10:29,559 Speaker 2: he's trying to do his work in secret, he's afraid. 225 00:10:29,720 --> 00:10:32,520 Speaker 2: He too tries to argue with God. Nope, I'm not 226 00:10:32,559 --> 00:10:34,360 Speaker 2: the guy. But by the end of it, he has 227 00:10:34,440 --> 00:10:36,480 Speaker 2: turned into that mighty warrior. And by the end of it, 228 00:10:36,559 --> 00:10:40,560 Speaker 2: Moses is this esteemed brave leader. So they might not 229 00:10:40,600 --> 00:10:43,040 Speaker 2: have started out that way, but through taking those steps 230 00:10:43,080 --> 00:10:44,520 Speaker 2: of faith, that's where they ended up. 231 00:10:45,840 --> 00:10:49,920 Speaker 1: You know. And we see too how God shapes us 232 00:10:49,920 --> 00:10:54,160 Speaker 1: through pain. We've experienced this recently as a country, even 233 00:10:54,440 --> 00:10:58,559 Speaker 1: just witnessing Charlie Kirk get murdered, and a lot of 234 00:10:58,559 --> 00:11:01,640 Speaker 1: people will say, well, how could God allow that? I mean, 235 00:11:01,679 --> 00:11:05,840 Speaker 1: you look at Charlie Kirk, someone who really lived lived 236 00:11:05,840 --> 00:11:09,280 Speaker 1: out as faith bravely, you know, he wore it on 237 00:11:09,360 --> 00:11:13,319 Speaker 1: his heart a sleeve, as you know, and followed the Bible. 238 00:11:13,360 --> 00:11:16,320 Speaker 1: And so it's like, how does God allow things like that? 239 00:11:16,920 --> 00:11:19,160 Speaker 1: What is the Bible? And what do you write about 240 00:11:19,200 --> 00:11:22,040 Speaker 1: in your book about how God sometimes uses that pain 241 00:11:22,280 --> 00:11:23,120 Speaker 1: to shape us? 242 00:11:24,320 --> 00:11:25,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I share a little bit of my 243 00:11:25,840 --> 00:11:29,000 Speaker 2: own story. I always think, you know, the more transparent 244 00:11:29,040 --> 00:11:31,240 Speaker 2: and vulnerable we are with each other, that's really the 245 00:11:31,280 --> 00:11:33,040 Speaker 2: best way to relate to each other and to be 246 00:11:33,160 --> 00:11:36,079 Speaker 2: of some help. And so I had serious health struggles 247 00:11:36,120 --> 00:11:39,400 Speaker 2: myself and for a period of almost two years lived 248 00:11:39,400 --> 00:11:42,120 Speaker 2: in just chronic pain that was often a ten out 249 00:11:42,120 --> 00:11:45,360 Speaker 2: of ten, going doctor to doctor, trying to get a diagnosis, 250 00:11:45,480 --> 00:11:49,440 Speaker 2: and feeling really really depressed and despondent during that and 251 00:11:49,480 --> 00:11:51,400 Speaker 2: just crying out to the Lord if you know, at 252 00:11:51,400 --> 00:11:52,920 Speaker 2: one point, okay, if you're not going to heal me, 253 00:11:52,960 --> 00:11:55,920 Speaker 2: if that's not your plan with this. I kept thinking 254 00:11:55,960 --> 00:11:57,839 Speaker 2: about Paul and Corinthian's where he to as that thorn 255 00:11:57,880 --> 00:11:59,440 Speaker 2: in his side and he's like, all right, I've asked 256 00:11:59,440 --> 00:12:01,440 Speaker 2: you and the Lord said no three times, I'm not 257 00:12:01,480 --> 00:12:03,719 Speaker 2: going to heal this. I just said, if you're not 258 00:12:03,760 --> 00:12:04,320 Speaker 2: going to heal me. 259 00:12:04,480 --> 00:12:04,959 Speaker 1: I have to. 260 00:12:04,960 --> 00:12:07,880 Speaker 2: Understand and accept that. But will you lead me to somebody? 261 00:12:07,880 --> 00:12:10,719 Speaker 2: Please at least lead me to the right doctor. And 262 00:12:10,760 --> 00:12:12,800 Speaker 2: within a very short period of time, got to the 263 00:12:12,840 --> 00:12:16,760 Speaker 2: right doctor, got the diagnosis. I deal with a cornea 264 00:12:16,840 --> 00:12:19,679 Speaker 2: disease that's genetic, it's not there's no cure for it. 265 00:12:19,720 --> 00:12:22,839 Speaker 2: But this doctor has been amazing and through God's grace, 266 00:12:22,880 --> 00:12:25,240 Speaker 2: has provided me a way to live with this and 267 00:12:25,320 --> 00:12:27,600 Speaker 2: to be painful most of the time, and to get 268 00:12:27,600 --> 00:12:29,640 Speaker 2: the treatments I needed and all of those things to 269 00:12:29,720 --> 00:12:32,520 Speaker 2: manage this. But that gave me a lot more empathy 270 00:12:32,559 --> 00:12:35,199 Speaker 2: for people who are suffering. When you live in that place, 271 00:12:35,240 --> 00:12:38,320 Speaker 2: it's just very dark. So what I felt like God 272 00:12:38,400 --> 00:12:41,320 Speaker 2: was growing me closer to him. Most certainly there was 273 00:12:41,360 --> 00:12:44,760 Speaker 2: a deeper fellowship there in his presence in that valley. 274 00:12:45,200 --> 00:12:48,360 Speaker 2: There's an empathy to really care more about other people's 275 00:12:48,360 --> 00:12:51,240 Speaker 2: suffering in that And you know, Joseph is included in 276 00:12:51,280 --> 00:12:53,440 Speaker 2: this book. Nothing is impossible with God. And if there's 277 00:12:53,520 --> 00:12:56,960 Speaker 2: anybody who faced injustices, may we be you know, as 278 00:12:56,960 --> 00:12:59,559 Speaker 2: faithful as Joseph was, I mean as brothers hated him, 279 00:12:59,559 --> 00:13:02,960 Speaker 2: they were he was the dad's favorite. They decided they 280 00:13:03,000 --> 00:13:04,520 Speaker 2: were going to kill him, and then they're like, no, 281 00:13:04,640 --> 00:13:06,640 Speaker 2: let's just walk back one step from that. We're going 282 00:13:06,679 --> 00:13:08,920 Speaker 2: to sell him into slavery, into a foreign country where 283 00:13:08,960 --> 00:13:11,720 Speaker 2: we'll never see him again. Who cares what happens to him, 284 00:13:11,880 --> 00:13:13,400 Speaker 2: And then we're going to let our father think that 285 00:13:13,440 --> 00:13:15,760 Speaker 2: he was killed by wild animals. I mean, it was 286 00:13:15,840 --> 00:13:19,640 Speaker 2: just so deceptive and devious. And he, you know, he's 287 00:13:19,679 --> 00:13:22,600 Speaker 2: such a man of honor. He continues to rise to 288 00:13:22,640 --> 00:13:25,360 Speaker 2: the top wherever he is planted. And then at one point, 289 00:13:25,440 --> 00:13:28,080 Speaker 2: when he's risen to the house of you know, managing 290 00:13:28,120 --> 00:13:30,160 Speaker 2: the household of one of the top leaders in Egypt, 291 00:13:30,400 --> 00:13:33,559 Speaker 2: he's falsely accused by the wife of sexual assault, goes 292 00:13:33,600 --> 00:13:36,440 Speaker 2: to prison for that, not having done it. He's there 293 00:13:36,480 --> 00:13:39,080 Speaker 2: for years. He meets someone along the way that he 294 00:13:39,080 --> 00:13:41,240 Speaker 2: helps them, and they say, when I get out of here, 295 00:13:41,320 --> 00:13:42,760 Speaker 2: I am going to make sure that you get out 296 00:13:42,760 --> 00:13:44,960 Speaker 2: of here. They totally forget about him. So it's like 297 00:13:45,040 --> 00:13:49,120 Speaker 2: twenty years of Joseph facing injustice after injustice, which makes 298 00:13:49,160 --> 00:13:52,520 Speaker 2: absolutely no sense on paper. Then yet at the end 299 00:13:52,559 --> 00:13:54,480 Speaker 2: of it, what we see is that his brothers come 300 00:13:54,559 --> 00:13:56,840 Speaker 2: back where he is now the number two in Egypt, 301 00:13:56,840 --> 00:13:59,560 Speaker 2: he's again risen because of his integrity and his faith 302 00:13:59,559 --> 00:14:01,920 Speaker 2: in God, and there's a famine all through the land. 303 00:14:01,960 --> 00:14:05,360 Speaker 2: His brothers come looking for food. Joseph is in a position. 304 00:14:05,400 --> 00:14:08,520 Speaker 2: They don't recognize him. He's in a position to save 305 00:14:08,559 --> 00:14:11,400 Speaker 2: his family. That's the family, that's the Hebrew people, the 306 00:14:11,440 --> 00:14:14,880 Speaker 2: genesis of Israel. And he's placed in that place in 307 00:14:14,960 --> 00:14:17,880 Speaker 2: time to do that. And when he finally reveals himself, 308 00:14:17,920 --> 00:14:20,120 Speaker 2: I can't imagine the freak out that his brothers had. 309 00:14:20,200 --> 00:14:24,000 Speaker 2: I mean to ask questions about this one day in heaven, 310 00:14:24,040 --> 00:14:26,840 Speaker 2: I just have so many. But what you know, what 311 00:14:26,920 --> 00:14:28,920 Speaker 2: Joseph says, he's graceful. I mean, what he says to 312 00:14:28,960 --> 00:14:31,880 Speaker 2: them is what you meant for evil, God meant for good. 313 00:14:32,520 --> 00:14:36,120 Speaker 2: So when we can't understand the evil of this world, 314 00:14:36,280 --> 00:14:39,280 Speaker 2: the horrible things that happen, I have to believe that 315 00:14:39,320 --> 00:14:42,720 Speaker 2: God is working. And man Joseph, we don't see in 316 00:14:43,000 --> 00:14:45,240 Speaker 2: the account of his life ever where he turns on 317 00:14:45,280 --> 00:14:46,960 Speaker 2: God and says, how are you letting this happen to me? 318 00:14:47,000 --> 00:14:48,720 Speaker 2: I don't know that I would be that faithful. But 319 00:14:49,240 --> 00:14:52,000 Speaker 2: he's really an inspiration that when evil, bad things are 320 00:14:52,040 --> 00:14:54,360 Speaker 2: happening to you. There can be good working through it. 321 00:14:54,840 --> 00:14:59,040 Speaker 1: Yeah. I'm unfortunately I'm a little bit more stubborn than Joseph. 322 00:14:59,080 --> 00:15:01,200 Speaker 1: You know. It just kind of goes to show you 323 00:15:01,280 --> 00:15:04,040 Speaker 1: that you know faith and God. You know, it doesn't 324 00:15:04,200 --> 00:15:07,920 Speaker 1: insulate you from like the pain and the suffering of 325 00:15:08,000 --> 00:15:10,200 Speaker 1: the world, but it does give you the strength to 326 00:15:10,280 --> 00:15:11,120 Speaker 1: walk through it. 327 00:15:12,880 --> 00:15:16,640 Speaker 2: Talk a little bit more about that. Yeah. I mean again, 328 00:15:16,920 --> 00:15:18,480 Speaker 2: like you said, none of us is going to be immune. 329 00:15:18,520 --> 00:15:21,840 Speaker 2: And you think about the verse for this book is 330 00:15:21,880 --> 00:15:24,680 Speaker 2: when Jesus is talking to his disciples and he says, 331 00:15:24,880 --> 00:15:26,960 Speaker 2: you're going to have trouble in this world. You know, 332 00:15:27,040 --> 00:15:29,200 Speaker 2: he doesn't sugarcoate it. He says, you're going to but 333 00:15:29,920 --> 00:15:32,480 Speaker 2: take heart because I have overcome the world. And that's 334 00:15:32,480 --> 00:15:34,920 Speaker 2: a closing chapter in this book. Nothing's impossible with God 335 00:15:35,400 --> 00:15:39,320 Speaker 2: because Jesus overcomes everything that could ever threaten or harm us. 336 00:15:39,680 --> 00:15:43,040 Speaker 2: He overcomes sin and death. And what I love is 337 00:15:43,040 --> 00:15:46,200 Speaker 2: that because he walked this earth fully manned fully, you 338 00:15:46,200 --> 00:15:48,800 Speaker 2: know God. At the same time, we know that he 339 00:15:48,920 --> 00:15:51,400 Speaker 2: understands our suffering. We know that he knows what it's 340 00:15:51,440 --> 00:15:56,280 Speaker 2: like to be tempted and exhausted and disregarded disrespected, and 341 00:15:56,960 --> 00:15:59,760 Speaker 2: I mean physically tortured and beaten. I mean he understands 342 00:15:59,760 --> 00:16:03,280 Speaker 2: all of these things. So while we don't get a 343 00:16:03,360 --> 00:16:05,960 Speaker 2: pass as you know, a believer, as a faithful person, 344 00:16:06,040 --> 00:16:07,480 Speaker 2: and I used to think as a kid, like, all right, 345 00:16:07,480 --> 00:16:09,960 Speaker 2: if you do everything right, you do all the Sunday 346 00:16:09,960 --> 00:16:12,520 Speaker 2: school lessons, you know, you behave yourself, you don't run 347 00:16:12,560 --> 00:16:15,560 Speaker 2: off into you know, crazy rebellion, your life is going 348 00:16:15,640 --> 00:16:18,160 Speaker 2: to be easy. But that's just not true. And anyone 349 00:16:18,160 --> 00:16:20,840 Speaker 2: who preaches that to you is not faithful to God's word. 350 00:16:21,440 --> 00:16:23,520 Speaker 2: But what he does promise us is that we'll never 351 00:16:23,560 --> 00:16:26,920 Speaker 2: be abandoned, will never be alone. And at my deepest 352 00:16:26,960 --> 00:16:29,960 Speaker 2: darkest moments, you know, when I left the doctor's office 353 00:16:30,080 --> 00:16:32,640 Speaker 2: finally having a diagnosis but him telling me there's no 354 00:16:32,760 --> 00:16:37,040 Speaker 2: cure for this, I was just so despondent, sobbing and 355 00:16:37,080 --> 00:16:39,240 Speaker 2: sobbing in my car, thinking I just can't go on, 356 00:16:40,000 --> 00:16:42,480 Speaker 2: and trying to understand, you know, God, where are you 357 00:16:42,640 --> 00:16:46,560 Speaker 2: in this, and feeling him say not audibly, but unmistakably 358 00:16:46,600 --> 00:16:49,880 Speaker 2: in my spirit, I will be with you, not I'm 359 00:16:49,880 --> 00:16:51,640 Speaker 2: going to heal you. This is all going to be fine. 360 00:16:51,640 --> 00:16:53,160 Speaker 2: I'm going to wrap this up in a neat bow. 361 00:16:53,280 --> 00:16:56,760 Speaker 2: But I'll be with you, and He is faithful to 362 00:16:56,880 --> 00:16:59,960 Speaker 2: be with us through whatever we walk through. We're never 363 00:17:00,120 --> 00:17:04,280 Speaker 2: ever truly alone. And that's been a great piece to me. 364 00:17:04,400 --> 00:17:06,480 Speaker 2: And like you said, the painful times, I think as 365 00:17:06,560 --> 00:17:08,440 Speaker 2: much as i'd like to think, oh, when I'm riding 366 00:17:08,440 --> 00:17:10,679 Speaker 2: and high in on the mountaintop, I can be spiritually growing. 367 00:17:10,760 --> 00:17:13,280 Speaker 2: You can that there was a different kind of growth 368 00:17:13,280 --> 00:17:16,360 Speaker 2: that has happened for me in my darkest moments. Yeah. 369 00:17:16,359 --> 00:17:18,800 Speaker 1: I mean I went through some health challenges last year 370 00:17:19,040 --> 00:17:22,320 Speaker 1: and fortunately I was just dealing with some dizzyness and fortunately, 371 00:17:22,760 --> 00:17:24,240 Speaker 1: you know, they figured out what was going. 372 00:17:24,040 --> 00:17:24,399 Speaker 2: On with me. 373 00:17:24,440 --> 00:17:26,280 Speaker 1: But it was really scary and to your point, it's 374 00:17:26,400 --> 00:17:30,040 Speaker 1: challenging and frustrating when there is the unknown, you don't 375 00:17:30,080 --> 00:17:32,240 Speaker 1: know what's going on with you, and you know you're 376 00:17:32,240 --> 00:17:33,919 Speaker 1: trying to get to the bottom of it and figure 377 00:17:33,960 --> 00:17:36,040 Speaker 1: it out. I've got to take a quick break. Please 378 00:17:36,080 --> 00:17:37,880 Speaker 1: stay with us. If you like what you're hearing, please 379 00:17:37,920 --> 00:17:39,680 Speaker 1: share on social media or send it to your family 380 00:17:39,720 --> 00:17:44,479 Speaker 1: and friends. You know, a lot of people ask, well, 381 00:17:44,520 --> 00:17:47,040 Speaker 1: then why does God allow his people to suffer? 382 00:17:47,480 --> 00:17:50,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, And I do think that's the hardest question and 383 00:17:50,080 --> 00:17:52,600 Speaker 2: certainly one that I get from people who are searching 384 00:17:52,640 --> 00:17:56,119 Speaker 2: and questioning faith, even faithful people, And I've had questions 385 00:17:56,200 --> 00:17:58,879 Speaker 2: with that too. I don't think it's an easily answered question. 386 00:17:59,840 --> 00:18:01,800 Speaker 2: I can only say this. You know, the world that 387 00:18:01,840 --> 00:18:04,440 Speaker 2: God created for us, the original plan, which I believe 388 00:18:04,480 --> 00:18:06,520 Speaker 2: in the Garden of Eden with Adam and Eve was 389 00:18:06,880 --> 00:18:09,680 Speaker 2: they weren't constant fellowship with God. It was a beautiful thing. 390 00:18:09,800 --> 00:18:12,320 Speaker 2: I mean, there were no barriers, there was no sin, 391 00:18:12,600 --> 00:18:15,800 Speaker 2: there was no deception, and that's the world He created 392 00:18:15,800 --> 00:18:18,720 Speaker 2: for us. Now the world we have is this fallen world, 393 00:18:18,760 --> 00:18:22,720 Speaker 2: which is full of evil. I believe good ultimately does 394 00:18:22,840 --> 00:18:25,600 Speaker 2: overcome evil. That's how this story ends. That gives me 395 00:18:25,760 --> 00:18:28,480 Speaker 2: hope in the midst of it. But the suffering in 396 00:18:28,520 --> 00:18:31,440 Speaker 2: the here and now is really difficult to understand. God 397 00:18:31,480 --> 00:18:34,800 Speaker 2: has given us free will, and that means that people 398 00:18:34,840 --> 00:18:37,880 Speaker 2: make choices, and many times they are choices that hurt 399 00:18:37,920 --> 00:18:41,479 Speaker 2: other people, that are devastating, and that are evil. And 400 00:18:41,520 --> 00:18:45,560 Speaker 2: so our world is so imperfect and so broken. So 401 00:18:45,800 --> 00:18:47,560 Speaker 2: for us to find hope in the midst of that, 402 00:18:47,600 --> 00:18:50,560 Speaker 2: I think is a really kind of miraculous thing. I 403 00:18:50,560 --> 00:18:53,040 Speaker 2: don't know how people get through this life without faith. 404 00:18:53,080 --> 00:18:55,560 Speaker 2: If you felt like, gosh, this is so broken and 405 00:18:55,680 --> 00:18:58,720 Speaker 2: hard and evil but there's no hope, it'd be tough 406 00:18:58,720 --> 00:19:00,560 Speaker 2: to get out of bed in the morning. But for me, 407 00:19:00,720 --> 00:19:04,520 Speaker 2: I think, you know, God understands, he sees He's trying 408 00:19:04,560 --> 00:19:07,199 Speaker 2: to move us to a place where all will be 409 00:19:07,280 --> 00:19:09,840 Speaker 2: made right, every tier will be wiped away. That time 410 00:19:09,960 --> 00:19:13,440 Speaker 2: is coming. It's not yet, but it is coming. Yeah. 411 00:19:13,480 --> 00:19:18,800 Speaker 1: I mean my biggest struggle is probably is I'm am impatient? 412 00:19:20,760 --> 00:19:22,160 Speaker 2: Yes, Shannon. 413 00:19:22,440 --> 00:19:24,840 Speaker 1: My dad's favorite thing is just to text me back 414 00:19:24,920 --> 00:19:25,880 Speaker 1: patience period. 415 00:19:25,880 --> 00:19:28,280 Speaker 2: And I'm like, oh man, and is that not so hard? 416 00:19:28,320 --> 00:19:29,919 Speaker 2: And you know, I joke all the time about like, 417 00:19:29,960 --> 00:19:32,040 Speaker 2: don't pray for patience, because then you're gonna be put 418 00:19:32,040 --> 00:19:34,640 Speaker 2: in situations where you develop that muscle. I mean, that's 419 00:19:34,680 --> 00:19:37,120 Speaker 2: the thing about faith is that I find sometimes I'm like, oh, 420 00:19:37,119 --> 00:19:39,600 Speaker 2: I don't want to walk through this painful or uncomfortable 421 00:19:39,640 --> 00:19:43,119 Speaker 2: thing or this delay. But I know that you know, 422 00:19:43,160 --> 00:19:44,880 Speaker 2: you don't work out by not going to the gym. 423 00:19:44,920 --> 00:19:47,520 Speaker 2: I mean you have to test and strengthen and tear 424 00:19:47,600 --> 00:19:51,080 Speaker 2: down the muscle to actually build it. So be careful 425 00:19:51,200 --> 00:19:53,640 Speaker 2: praying for patients. But I'm with you. I mean that's 426 00:19:53,960 --> 00:19:55,480 Speaker 2: you know. People are like, don't you ever lose it? 427 00:19:55,520 --> 00:19:58,000 Speaker 2: I'm like, oh, yeah, you should see me in my commute, 428 00:19:58,080 --> 00:20:00,480 Speaker 2: in my car. If there were a camera in there, 429 00:20:00,560 --> 00:20:03,040 Speaker 2: I would be so canceled and wiped off the face 430 00:20:03,080 --> 00:20:05,960 Speaker 2: of the earth, because I just patience is not one 431 00:20:05,960 --> 00:20:08,200 Speaker 2: of my best qualities. But I'm working on it. Yeah, 432 00:20:08,200 --> 00:20:08,359 Speaker 2: I know. 433 00:20:08,359 --> 00:20:10,199 Speaker 1: I always think I'm in the driver's seat and then 434 00:20:10,240 --> 00:20:12,040 Speaker 1: I'm quickly reminded that I am. 435 00:20:11,960 --> 00:20:14,679 Speaker 2: Not exactly And that's such a good thing for us 436 00:20:14,680 --> 00:20:15,080 Speaker 2: to remember. 437 00:20:15,200 --> 00:20:15,400 Speaker 1: Now. 438 00:20:15,640 --> 00:20:17,840 Speaker 2: I think it can be comforting too, because gosh, I 439 00:20:17,880 --> 00:20:19,760 Speaker 2: don't want to be running this universe. I tend to 440 00:20:19,760 --> 00:20:22,040 Speaker 2: be a micromanager, Like I'm like, if I don't do it, 441 00:20:22,040 --> 00:20:24,560 Speaker 2: it's not going to get done correctly, which is not true. 442 00:20:24,640 --> 00:20:28,000 Speaker 2: And certainly I'm not running the world. So thankfully God is. 443 00:20:28,119 --> 00:20:31,280 Speaker 2: He's perfect, he knows everything, he loves us perfectly, and 444 00:20:31,760 --> 00:20:35,160 Speaker 2: he's just, and he's wise, and that should be someone 445 00:20:35,240 --> 00:20:36,280 Speaker 2: running the universe, not me. 446 00:20:37,320 --> 00:20:40,800 Speaker 1: You know, we're seeing we're seeing some young people come 447 00:20:40,880 --> 00:20:44,399 Speaker 1: back to Christ, but we have seen sort of like 448 00:20:44,440 --> 00:20:49,199 Speaker 1: a consistent downward trend of people who believe. So what 449 00:20:49,240 --> 00:20:51,600 Speaker 1: do you make of where we are? Spiritually right now 450 00:20:51,680 --> 00:20:54,840 Speaker 1: as a country, and obviously some good news there with 451 00:20:54,880 --> 00:20:56,840 Speaker 1: some young people returning to faith. 452 00:20:58,000 --> 00:21:00,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, and you know I followed the last couple of 453 00:21:00,080 --> 00:21:02,480 Speaker 2: youre's these huge revivals. I'm sure you have two that 454 00:21:02,520 --> 00:21:05,159 Speaker 2: are happening on college campuses and talk to a lot 455 00:21:05,240 --> 00:21:07,719 Speaker 2: of people who've been behind those. And you know it 456 00:21:07,760 --> 00:21:11,040 Speaker 2: was the wife Tanya Pruett of an assistant basketball coach 457 00:21:11,080 --> 00:21:14,040 Speaker 2: at Auburn who a few years ago was you know, 458 00:21:14,160 --> 00:21:17,000 Speaker 2: having a Bible study and mentoring young students on campus. 459 00:21:17,400 --> 00:21:20,000 Speaker 2: One thing sort of led to another. They start having 460 00:21:20,080 --> 00:21:23,240 Speaker 2: these gatherings and you know, it turns into thousands of 461 00:21:23,400 --> 00:21:26,840 Speaker 2: kids showing up on these you know, secular college campuses, 462 00:21:27,000 --> 00:21:30,520 Speaker 2: singing and praising and worship, being sitting and listening, looking 463 00:21:30,560 --> 00:21:33,520 Speaker 2: for hope. Do these mass baptisms? I mean, there's definitely 464 00:21:33,560 --> 00:21:36,520 Speaker 2: something happening with young people. And you know, I talked 465 00:21:36,520 --> 00:21:39,760 Speaker 2: with Erica Kirk not long after Charlie was killed and said, 466 00:21:39,800 --> 00:21:42,560 Speaker 2: do you think that there was a revival that was happening? 467 00:21:42,680 --> 00:21:45,080 Speaker 2: Was Charlie part of this? Is his death now sparking 468 00:21:45,160 --> 00:21:46,959 Speaker 2: a new part of this revival? What is it? And 469 00:21:46,960 --> 00:21:49,439 Speaker 2: She's like something was already happening there, and you know, 470 00:21:49,520 --> 00:21:52,080 Speaker 2: her hope has been that young people and people of 471 00:21:52,119 --> 00:21:54,520 Speaker 2: all ages who you remember how there were churches that 472 00:21:54,600 --> 00:21:57,600 Speaker 2: were packed, that were running out of parking, places that 473 00:21:57,680 --> 00:21:59,679 Speaker 2: were giving away free bibles. I mean all of that 474 00:21:59,720 --> 00:22:02,320 Speaker 2: in the weeks after Charlie's death, and I've heard from 475 00:22:02,320 --> 00:22:05,960 Speaker 2: a lot of pastors and people that their attendancis stayed up, 476 00:22:05,960 --> 00:22:07,840 Speaker 2: maybe not to the peak that it was right after 477 00:22:07,880 --> 00:22:11,800 Speaker 2: he we lost him, but people who dug in started 478 00:22:11,840 --> 00:22:15,240 Speaker 2: asking questions, felt so inspired by him, and so you know, 479 00:22:15,520 --> 00:22:19,159 Speaker 2: hurts and by the tragic loss, that they really started 480 00:22:19,200 --> 00:22:22,040 Speaker 2: looking for answers. And so this thing that's been happening 481 00:22:22,040 --> 00:22:24,840 Speaker 2: on college campus is the last few years and Charlie's 482 00:22:24,840 --> 00:22:27,040 Speaker 2: movement and all of those things. I think young people 483 00:22:27,080 --> 00:22:29,199 Speaker 2: see that, you know, social media and the life of 484 00:22:29,200 --> 00:22:31,880 Speaker 2: an influence and all these things they're hollow. I mean, 485 00:22:31,920 --> 00:22:34,120 Speaker 2: you may have fun, of course, there are all kinds 486 00:22:34,119 --> 00:22:36,000 Speaker 2: of things that are fun in the short term that 487 00:22:36,119 --> 00:22:38,360 Speaker 2: do give you some endorphins or some kind of high 488 00:22:38,440 --> 00:22:40,359 Speaker 2: or some kind of approval, but they turn out to 489 00:22:40,359 --> 00:22:42,560 Speaker 2: be very empty at some point. And I think young 490 00:22:42,600 --> 00:22:46,520 Speaker 2: people are desperately looking for something authentic and I've talked 491 00:22:46,560 --> 00:22:50,720 Speaker 2: to people on college campuses too, campus pastors, campus rabbis, 492 00:22:51,240 --> 00:22:53,919 Speaker 2: campus priests. They're all saying that there is some return 493 00:22:54,000 --> 00:22:56,280 Speaker 2: to faith for young people who are looking for something 494 00:22:56,480 --> 00:22:58,680 Speaker 2: that is much more lasting than what the world has 495 00:22:58,680 --> 00:23:00,240 Speaker 2: been able to give them, you. 496 00:23:00,240 --> 00:23:02,880 Speaker 1: Know, a real purpose in life. Shannon, is there anything 497 00:23:02,920 --> 00:23:04,880 Speaker 1: else you'd like to leave us with before we go? 498 00:23:06,200 --> 00:23:09,480 Speaker 2: Whatever you're facing in life, I just pray that you 499 00:23:09,480 --> 00:23:11,560 Speaker 2: know you'll be encouraged. Nothing is impossible with God is 500 00:23:11,600 --> 00:23:15,040 Speaker 2: about encouraging you, but about equipping you to They're practical 501 00:23:15,080 --> 00:23:17,239 Speaker 2: things there. And again, these can be external things. I mean, 502 00:23:17,280 --> 00:23:20,199 Speaker 2: people are actively working against you. We all see that 503 00:23:20,240 --> 00:23:22,240 Speaker 2: in life, but also people who had self doubt in 504 00:23:22,240 --> 00:23:24,920 Speaker 2: their own failures, the rebellion. In the case of Jonah, 505 00:23:24,960 --> 00:23:26,680 Speaker 2: who God told him to do something, He's like, nope, 506 00:23:26,680 --> 00:23:29,359 Speaker 2: I'm going the exact opposite direction. It's easy to judge 507 00:23:29,400 --> 00:23:31,360 Speaker 2: him until I realize like, oh yeah, I've done that too. 508 00:23:32,280 --> 00:23:35,080 Speaker 2: So hopefully people will see themselves. They'll be encouraged, but 509 00:23:35,160 --> 00:23:37,159 Speaker 2: also equipped with some practical things. 510 00:23:37,200 --> 00:23:37,399 Speaker 1: You know. 511 00:23:37,400 --> 00:23:40,399 Speaker 2: There's sort of a mini sermon that Moses gives the 512 00:23:40,480 --> 00:23:43,960 Speaker 2: Israelites when he's they've left Egypt. God has set them 513 00:23:44,000 --> 00:23:47,399 Speaker 2: free from these centuries of slavery there, and Pharaoh has 514 00:23:47,400 --> 00:23:49,359 Speaker 2: finally let them go, and then he changes his mind. 515 00:23:49,480 --> 00:23:51,760 Speaker 2: So they're looking at the Red Sea, which is a 516 00:23:51,880 --> 00:23:54,000 Speaker 2: no go for them, and they're looking behind them, and 517 00:23:54,040 --> 00:23:57,560 Speaker 2: here comes Pharaoh's army, and Moses, who started out so afraid, 518 00:23:57,960 --> 00:24:00,639 Speaker 2: gives kind of this two verse little sermon, which is 519 00:24:00,920 --> 00:24:05,120 Speaker 2: kind of don't be afraid, stand firm, watch for God's 520 00:24:05,200 --> 00:24:09,120 Speaker 2: salvation for you. Be still, and he will fight for you. 521 00:24:09,359 --> 00:24:11,240 Speaker 2: And I think those are all things that I break 522 00:24:11,280 --> 00:24:13,639 Speaker 2: down in the book and flush them out that you 523 00:24:13,680 --> 00:24:16,080 Speaker 2: know they were totally applicable in twenty twenty six when 524 00:24:16,119 --> 00:24:18,280 Speaker 2: you face a red sea and you're wondering how you're 525 00:24:18,280 --> 00:24:20,240 Speaker 2: going to get through. So I hope that you'll be 526 00:24:20,320 --> 00:24:22,640 Speaker 2: encouraged but also find some really practical things too in. 527 00:24:22,560 --> 00:24:26,160 Speaker 1: The book Nothing Is Impossible with God New York Times 528 00:24:26,240 --> 00:24:28,840 Speaker 1: number one bestseller. Shannon, I'm so happy for you. You're 529 00:24:28,880 --> 00:24:30,639 Speaker 1: just one of those people where God's light really does 530 00:24:30,760 --> 00:24:34,280 Speaker 1: radiate through you. You're just You've always been so kind, so nice, 531 00:24:34,440 --> 00:24:36,480 Speaker 1: So I'm so happy for your success. 532 00:24:37,119 --> 00:24:39,080 Speaker 2: Thank you. Yes, I mean, it's all about Him and 533 00:24:39,119 --> 00:24:41,359 Speaker 2: so I'm just glad to be the messenger pointing people 534 00:24:41,400 --> 00:24:43,080 Speaker 2: in that direction and list I hope I see you 535 00:24:43,080 --> 00:24:43,440 Speaker 2: in person. 536 00:24:43,680 --> 00:24:45,560 Speaker 1: I know I would love that. Hope to see you soon. 537 00:24:45,600 --> 00:24:47,920 Speaker 1: Shannon Grat's under success and thank you so much for 538 00:24:48,000 --> 00:24:49,920 Speaker 1: them for the show. I really appreciate it. 539 00:24:50,200 --> 00:24:52,000 Speaker 2: God bless you. That was Shannon Breem. 540 00:24:52,080 --> 00:24:54,000 Speaker 1: Appreciate her for taking time to come on the show. 541 00:24:54,040 --> 00:24:57,000 Speaker 1: Appreciate you guys at home for listening every Tuesday and Thursday, 542 00:24:57,000 --> 00:24:59,040 Speaker 1: but you can listen throughout the week. Also want to 543 00:24:59,040 --> 00:25:01,680 Speaker 1: think John Cassio, producer for putting the show together. Until 544 00:25:01,720 --> 00:25:02,200 Speaker 1: next time.