Speaker 1: Watch up and welcome back to another episode and no
Speaker 1: Sillers podcast with your host. Now funk that with your
Speaker 1: low glasses Malone, Pete Dog Dog Boo Rude. We're back
Speaker 1: in it. We're back in it up rup Rube was
Speaker 1: crazy at earlier today right I was reading the comments.
Speaker 1: I had did a um a dupe conversation with bond First.
Speaker 1: Bond First is like, um, so there's a lot of
Speaker 1: YouTube channels that are dedicated solely to Tupac and things
Speaker 1: of Tupac's legacy, which is amazing. You know, I grew
Speaker 1: up in there with tupacles like the underdog and so
Speaker 1: that you know, I had to have people dedicate complete
Speaker 1: immediate to his It's very existence of twenty five years
Speaker 1: is amazing. Um. I did a conversation with uh a
Speaker 1: platform called Bond First, and UH John and um Reggie White.
Speaker 1: They both Reggie Wright was running death Row for a
Speaker 1: while and John worked at death Row for a while.
Speaker 1: Got um so they're super knowledgeable on the music business.
Speaker 1: Super yeah. Yeah. We talked to Yeah, that's the chronicles,
Speaker 1: so we we you know, all things knowledgeable when it
Speaker 1: comes to death Row. And they were the first platform
Speaker 1: once I dropped. This is the third anniversary, you know,
Speaker 1: July seventeen is the third anniversary of Tupac Must Dive
Speaker 1: me releasing it. And we did a conversation. We were
Speaker 1: talking about different things and to watch people in the comments,
Speaker 1: no like antagonized or attempt to antagonize me is like
Speaker 1: almost like the greatest thing I ever saw, because you
Speaker 1: gotta think. Right before I dropped two pop must Die like, um, like,
Speaker 1: the title itself was really inspired by Romeo almost. I
Speaker 1: think it's obvious, right, I don't know. I don't think
Speaker 1: it was that obvious, but I thought it was obvious, right,
Speaker 1: So um, the idea behind the story. So this is
Speaker 1: what's crazy, right, so old The first off, no seilings,
Speaker 1: jail my man Peter bosson, and ship is not going
Speaker 1: to work, right, so click on right. So two thousand twelve,
Speaker 1: I leave Cash Money Records. Two thousand and eleven, I
Speaker 1: leave Cash Money Records. I'm in a studio with DJ Head.
Speaker 1: I'm working on what is White Lightning two at the time, right,
Speaker 1: and I'm recording all these songs and everybody or anybody
Speaker 1: who knows me knows that scar Face is like my
Speaker 1: favorite rapper. You know what I mean like he like
Speaker 1: I have the utmost respect for Scarface, probably more than
Speaker 1: any other MC that ever breathe just as a artist,
Speaker 1: like a vocally performing artist, not necessarily the same cultural
Speaker 1: phenomenon that I celebrated about Snoop, you know, which is
Speaker 1: why I say he's the greatest hip hop artist ever. Um,
Speaker 1: not the business acumen of a whole which is why
Speaker 1: you know, you know he's the most successful rapper ever,
Speaker 1: or the creative brilliance of Kanye West, you know, all
Speaker 1: my top five guys, or the or the imagination and
Speaker 1: and the lushness of that is Rick Ross. Scarface rapping
Speaker 1: right is literally I said, it's like if if if
Speaker 1: God of the Old Testament was an m C, that's
Speaker 1: how he he would sound and rap about the same
Speaker 1: stuff scar Face rapp about. Right. So I was super
Speaker 1: inspired by Scarface making music at that time. In two
Speaker 1: thousand and eleven, and DJ Head comes into the studio.
Speaker 1: Right now, DJ has been DJ and about four years,
Speaker 1: but he picked it up lightning fast, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean, he knew exactly what to do with it.
Speaker 1: It's it's almost unbelievable how fast he became a great
Speaker 1: DJ and I'm recording the booth and he comes to
Speaker 1: the door of the booth. He like, man, why is
Speaker 1: all your fucking songs slow? And I'm like, what you mean?
Speaker 1: Music is slow? Like nigga music is just music. He's like, nah, man,
Speaker 1: it's bpms beach per minute. And I'm like, what the
Speaker 1: funk you're talking about. I'm like, man, beat it, you know,
Speaker 1: we get the funk out of here. So he goes
Speaker 1: in the engineer room with Tommy and uh. I come out.
Speaker 1: I'm listening to the song, like, yeah, this so hard, cruise,
Speaker 1: you ain't funk with this. He's like, man, it's just
Speaker 1: so slow. And I'm like, man, bla blah blah. I
Speaker 1: walked out of that control room right studio signal here,
Speaker 1: and I walked into the other control room and I
Speaker 1: came back and Head was in the booth recording in
Speaker 1: the same cadus to the same beat on my fucking
Speaker 1: song slow, like just being an asshole, right, So I'm
Speaker 1: like what fuck? So, like, man, what are you talking about?
Speaker 1: Music is slow? Because how could he like this rhythm? Bpm?
Speaker 1: He said like, you know, hit your chests, no, he
Speaker 1: told me. Tapped the table, and you know, I was
Speaker 1: tapping into the beat. He like, he was playing my song.
Speaker 1: He like, see this your song, and he said, this
Speaker 1: is a scar Face song and play that's the same temple.
Speaker 1: He said. The difference is this is a snoop song
Speaker 1: and I'm tapping faster, and I'm like, holy shit, Like
Speaker 1: there's a difference, right. But before that, music to me
Speaker 1: was just ballots and Luke. Ballot and Luke and everything
Speaker 1: in the middle was the same thing. Because I wasn't
Speaker 1: going to parties to dance. I mean, it ain't like,
Speaker 1: you know, G Funk was making music as fast as
Speaker 1: you know, Bill bb to vote or new Jack Schwang
Speaker 1: and something's not that speed. So that was like the
Speaker 1: first revelation I had, you know, in the step of
Speaker 1: the education that is the record business. And from that
Speaker 1: point on, like I just kind of fell down this hole,
Speaker 1: like head pushed me down this hole and I'm falling.
Speaker 1: I'm catching BPM. I'm starting here, the samples I'm hearing
Speaker 1: how you know, genres matter, you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: Where you at around the country. I noticed the West
Speaker 1: coast really took the funk. I noticed the South took
Speaker 1: the blues. I noticed that Midwest took thor and B
Speaker 1: and I noticed the East Coast took the jazz, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. So now I'm falling falling. So
Speaker 1: now I'm learning the records. I pick it up. I
Speaker 1: got a decent understanding. You know. Then you keep falling
Speaker 1: because now you're starting to understand what's hip hop. You're like, Okay,
Speaker 1: it's way more than just It ain't really the music,
Speaker 1: you know, I mean, it's the way people from urban
Speaker 1: street culture. It's culture, you know. I mean how they
Speaker 1: was freaking the music and culturally, you know, it depends
Speaker 1: on where you at determines how they're freaking the music.
Speaker 1: But it's all rooted in urban street culture, you know,
Speaker 1: densely populated, crime written neighborhoods. Sounds like okay, So now
Speaker 1: I'm getting a vibe for that. And then I started
Speaker 1: understanding marketing right, What marketing was branding right, It's like
Speaker 1: understanding your business. Marketing is understanding your customers, and when
Speaker 1: they line up right, you have an amazing business. Right.
Speaker 1: Sounds like damn. So it became eight years of this ship.
Speaker 1: I tried to put out music and I couldn't because
Speaker 1: my mind was just I'm falling down the whole. I
Speaker 1: could never grab nothing to stop me from falling, and
Speaker 1: it was just crazy. And right around two thousand and eighteen,
Speaker 1: towards the end, I noticed I was like, holy sh it,
Speaker 1: this is way deeper than I thought. So I didn't
Speaker 1: got all this information. So now as I started understanding
Speaker 1: the business that Glasses and Malone records needed to be,
Speaker 1: it became a parent right understanding the brand, Right, how
Speaker 1: do people see the brand that is Glasses? Where am
Speaker 1: I really an expert at? You know where? What urban
Speaker 1: street culture am I a professor in? Like? What could
Speaker 1: I teach of the population? What information do I have
Speaker 1: that they don't have. I'm a crip, and I'm a
Speaker 1: crip in a way right to where I've always been sober,
Speaker 1: I've always asked questions. You know, I fought shot and
Speaker 1: everything you could do, went to jail the whole, non soul, drugs, everything.
Speaker 1: But I was always awoke. I was never even under
Speaker 1: the influence of weed. I never smoked weed in my life.
Speaker 1: I never drank alcohol in my life, So I've always
Speaker 1: conscious that things were going on. So my take on
Speaker 1: gang banging right is really unique because it's from very
Speaker 1: much the experience but with a level of rational So
Speaker 1: I realized people saw my brand. Right, they look at
Speaker 1: Glass and they're like, oh, he's a crip. So that
Speaker 1: is something they are willing to accept from me, right
Speaker 1: when it comes to my excellence as as a as
Speaker 1: a as a professor in gang banging. Right, Um, moving forward,
Speaker 1: Like my customer is people that are fans of gangster rap.
Speaker 1: I was like, okay, so what's gangster right? And I'm like, okay,
Speaker 1: this is crime, right, Okay. Hip hop is when and
Speaker 1: the greatest hip hop is when you unearthed culture, like
Speaker 1: culture that hasn't been obviously presented. So you know the
Speaker 1: first time you heard snooping them and you've seen the
Speaker 1: video and you've seen low Riders in the music video, right,
Speaker 1: that was them unearthened the culture style of the West Coast. Right,
Speaker 1: you see them wearing dickeys and penalties and chucks and
Speaker 1: blue laces and hats and in the five and one
Speaker 1: denim Jackie's you've seen the fashion another aspect of culture. Right.
Speaker 1: So they've been unearthened culture, you know, and gangster aft
Speaker 1: for thirty years at this point. So I'm like, damn man,
Speaker 1: you know, So I started looking up the word culture, right,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, okay, these are different aspects. And one
Speaker 1: aspect stuck out to me, which was morality. I mean,
Speaker 1: I don't think people really understand morally what's acceptable in
Speaker 1: our line of lifestyle. And something in me decided it
Speaker 1: was two things I had to do, right, If I
Speaker 1: wanted people to care about the culture, I had to
Speaker 1: put I had to make somebody a part of it
Speaker 1: that they had vested interest in the mainstream world. Yeah,
Speaker 1: So it was two ideas I had. One was the
Speaker 1: story of the riots right in Reginald Denny right, how
Speaker 1: the A trades kicked off what we called the Los
Speaker 1: Angeles Rods in the two when that video comes out
Speaker 1: to I still it to play, Reginaldny you have to
Speaker 1: you have to right. So and then uh, it was
Speaker 1: that or Tupacs cor right, who when I was growing
Speaker 1: up was culturally ours. You know, he belonged to urban
Speaker 1: a maror he belonged like my mom bought me a CD.
Speaker 1: Like he's perfect, Like he has the right attitude, know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. So, um, he was culturally ours initially,
Speaker 1: but as he passed away and reached his heights as
Speaker 1: a musician, and as an entertainer, and then he passed away,
Speaker 1: so tragically it sent him into a trajectory, right, that
Speaker 1: was Jesus like right, it was like Jesus where he
Speaker 1: became a figure you could pray to and in theory
Speaker 1: unite people. And then so they created just like Christianity,
Speaker 1: they created a whole religion around Tupac that what a
Speaker 1: due respect, altered some of the facts, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean, for for the justification of bringing humanity together.
Speaker 1: Like Constantine when he when you know, when he when
Speaker 1: he orgestrated what would be called Christianity. It was the
Speaker 1: goal to bring Rome together. So they allowed things that
Speaker 1: didn't have to necessarily be true, you know, as they
Speaker 1: made it the truth because this was the smartest way
Speaker 1: to you, you you know, unify people, stop these fights.
Speaker 1: And that's what I think the legacy of Tupac does, know,
Speaker 1: I mean, they have you know, it's a religion, and
Speaker 1: you have preachers, right, you have bond first, you have
Speaker 1: art of dialogue, right, who are really some intelligent brothers
Speaker 1: and different people who run around preaching the gospel of
Speaker 1: Tupacs and corps. And it don't matter if it's not
Speaker 1: real or if it's false or none of that. It's
Speaker 1: like long as it brings people together in the name
Speaker 1: of Tupac. Like I realized there was a TV it
Speaker 1: was a movie called uh Um. It was a superhero
Speaker 1: like like a knockoff X Man the Watchman. It's not
Speaker 1: a knockoff x Man. Forgive me the Watchman, right, And
Speaker 1: it was the same. It was the same moral storyline
Speaker 1: of Jesus or you know pop where people bring They
Speaker 1: they created a lie, right, they made Russia looked like
Speaker 1: they were about to attack America right to bring you
Speaker 1: know that or no, excuse me, I take that back.
Speaker 1: Uh alien superhero was attacking Earth to stop the war
Speaker 1: between America and Russia. I mean they made this this figure,
Speaker 1: this alien figure from another planet, seemed like he was
Speaker 1: attacking the Earth so all of the countries could come together,
Speaker 1: you know, and stop warring. And even though it was
Speaker 1: based off the premise of a lie, it didn't matter.
Speaker 1: It didn't fucking matter for me. It didn't matter. And
Speaker 1: that's what happens with the legacy of Tupacs to cord.
Speaker 1: At this point, they're creating a religion around it, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean, to unite people, so it's okay.
Speaker 1: You know what I mean, it's okay and long story short.
Speaker 1: So when I decided to make the song, I realized
Speaker 1: I needed to take a mainstream event that had somebody
Speaker 1: in it that the mainstream people care about, and then
Speaker 1: somebody from the urban streets that I'm from or the
Speaker 1: lifestyle that they may have misunderstood. You're kind of in
Speaker 1: a way just declared yourself, Homer to Tupacs Odysseus with
Speaker 1: like the Iliot and the Odyssey. Sure, sure, And my
Speaker 1: goal was never to disc You can't discredit tuopocs re cord.
Speaker 1: That's just stupid. Like, let's start. Tuopocchord is one of
Speaker 1: the maze. Is one of the most amazing and greatest
Speaker 1: comeback stories in the history of human beings. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean period, Like I don't think Rudy's comeback story it
Speaker 1: is as great as Tupac's comeback story. Like tupacs comeback
Speaker 1: stories one of the greatest comeback stories in the history
Speaker 1: of mankind for me, Like, it's that great. But I
Speaker 1: realized that, you know, the story was to be told
Speaker 1: about the urban street experience, and I knew how to
Speaker 1: tell it in a much more detailed in deeper way
Speaker 1: that was start out and how it goes, because I'm
Speaker 1: experienced at it and I've studied it enough to understand
Speaker 1: it outside of my own understanding. So all of these
Speaker 1: things went into the thought that was Tupac must die
Speaker 1: to do it and to watch people in the comments
Speaker 1: reduce it down to cloud chasing, like oh, you just
Speaker 1: said Tupac name. It's like you're discrediting real like thought
Speaker 1: like this took me years to come up with this idea,
Speaker 1: Like these are not simple ideas, you mean, like if
Speaker 1: you listen to the depth of the song, you're here,
Speaker 1: you know, with gang banging, you're here. A lot of
Speaker 1: the shooes in it, you know what I mean, a
Speaker 1: lot of the malfunctionings of it. You know, the the
Speaker 1: you know, the over value of pride is in that song,
Speaker 1: you know if if you know, if we're get back
Speaker 1: to the city, everybody gonna try me. That's how you
Speaker 1: really kind of the whole thing of the song. When
Speaker 1: I first saw the project, I was like, oh, that's
Speaker 1: you know, kind of taking the most high profile gang
Speaker 1: related murder of all time and using that as an
Speaker 1: illustration to kind of define what happens and why things
Speaker 1: happen in real time in that world for other people
Speaker 1: who don't get it, you know, Like that's how it
Speaker 1: came off to me. Yeah, I agree. So, Um, it
Speaker 1: was just like the greatest illustration example ever for that
Speaker 1: you know that area. Yeah, and I put a lot
Speaker 1: into the song. The title itself was like the probably
Speaker 1: the easiest thing because I was just watching John Tucker
Speaker 1: Must Die, like Romeo Must Die, John Tucker Must Die,
Speaker 1: sure two Parker Must Die film. I didn't even think
Speaker 1: of it like people would say like must die, like
Speaker 1: like I think they get the film. I'm talking about
Speaker 1: this legacy or something weird. You know, sometimes people aren't
Speaker 1: that right, you know what I'm saying that, Like they
Speaker 1: are entirely too intellectually lazy to even care the process
Speaker 1: and idea. They have too many things going. They're too
Speaker 1: busy to think. Let's just be honest because so long
Speaker 1: story short, Um, we shoot the whole video first person.
Speaker 1: You know, the whole video is shot first person. You know,
Speaker 1: you you got to experience what it's like to to
Speaker 1: be with your homeboys. I turned you into a gangbanger,
Speaker 1: and I gave you the mind state I gave you
Speaker 1: the the things that I remember early about being a
Speaker 1: gang member. I gave you the the arrogance. I gave
Speaker 1: you the the pride that the ego. I gave you
Speaker 1: the concern. I gave you the pressure where niggas is like, yeah,
Speaker 1: you're gonna let this nigga get. I gave you everything
Speaker 1: I ever got as a gang member in less than
Speaker 1: five minutes. I got a question the first person perspective
Speaker 1: of the video and and most of it is on foot,
Speaker 1: is it a coincidence that, like, I don't like the
Speaker 1: beat or the baseline it. It's kind of got this
Speaker 1: plotting kind of sound to it, like matches up with
Speaker 1: a guy walking go go, Like it kind of fits
Speaker 1: in with a person just walking around all the time.
Speaker 1: And it's like perfectly, it's a very it is a
Speaker 1: very plotty type of sound and very menacing and thought.
Speaker 1: But it's so much into that song and that record
Speaker 1: to watch people like, oh, he just said Tupac's name.
Speaker 1: It's like, you know, and and that ship's hilarious to me,
Speaker 1: you know. But anytime I talk about it, you know,
Speaker 1: people talk about it to this day, they remember it.
Speaker 1: You feel me and what what made me comfortable with
Speaker 1: I knew what to expect, right, Um, I definitely didn't
Speaker 1: think people was this lazy intelligent like I thought by
Speaker 1: now people start figuring it out, but they still got
Speaker 1: some more time. Right. Um. It's almost weird because um,
Speaker 1: because what I'm saying, I don't actually see how is
Speaker 1: disrespect at all. That's what I've been trying to figure out.
Speaker 1: People like it's a tup this Tupac. Even when Dre
Speaker 1: was Like when Dr Drey was arguing me in the
Speaker 1: studio and I'm listening to him, I'm like, nik at
Speaker 1: this Tupac. Why would I this Tupac? He like, you
Speaker 1: got a song called Tupac. I'm like, no, I don't
Speaker 1: kind of dom ask it is that like Tupac passed
Speaker 1: away and I'm a Tupac. You know I love tupacs music.
Speaker 1: Why would I this Tupac? He was like, well, you
Speaker 1: know that's and that's what somebody told him. So that's
Speaker 1: how people are passing the message. Like, and I'm starting
Speaker 1: to realize it's actually not the content at all. It's
Speaker 1: how people are passing the message of the song, and
Speaker 1: most likely it's coming from somebody who never watched the
Speaker 1: song or the visual. Rather, they never heard the song
Speaker 1: and they're just passion it. And I'm starting to realize,
Speaker 1: like I'm counting the views on YouTube, is at three
Speaker 1: million views. On Facebook before my Facebook I stole it
Speaker 1: was at five million views. On Twitter, it's a two
Speaker 1: million views, right, So you're talking about a total of
Speaker 1: you know, ten million views, you know, on Instagram maybe
Speaker 1: another million views whatever it is. It's way more people
Speaker 1: talking about it. So that means all of these people
Speaker 1: didn't see it, yet they have an opinion about it.
Speaker 1: And I started to think about where we at in
Speaker 1: today's time, where people just read the headline and they
Speaker 1: think they know the story. Yeah, And the same thing
Speaker 1: was true also about tupacs shooting itself, Like how many
Speaker 1: people around hip hop media has some sort of speculative,
Speaker 1: you know, conspiracy theory or whatever about or what was
Speaker 1: behind it or how it happened, why all these different
Speaker 1: things for years, you know. But what I realized, the
Speaker 1: brilliance in it all wouldn't be respected unless it was
Speaker 1: by like like a colleague or like somebody critical. Like
Speaker 1: it wasn't meant to be a mass thing. And I
Speaker 1: realized that about n W as the police, or any
Speaker 1: time you unearthed a thought and culture, right, it is
Speaker 1: not for the mainstream to pick it up at that level. Now,
Speaker 1: you know a song like I just released, right, Kanye
Speaker 1: should have never married that bitch. That's a little bit
Speaker 1: more mainstream, right, because the concept is easier. Right, Um,
Speaker 1: you can't turn the whole into a housewife is an
Speaker 1: easy overstated concept in hip hop, at least culturally from us,
Speaker 1: not for everybody else. I think a lot of the
Speaker 1: other you know, the East, the West, the East, the Midwest,
Speaker 1: and the South. I don't know if they quite agree
Speaker 1: because they culturally the South they are mary strippers and
Speaker 1: all kind of crazy shit. Um, the East, same way
Speaker 1: in the Midwest, you know, I know they're a lot
Speaker 1: like us. They're not, Yeah, they're not. They're not gonna
Speaker 1: save them, the East of saving the South of Saban,
Speaker 1: But the Midwest and the West, like we just ain't
Speaker 1: gonna save them. So it's a little easier. And I
Speaker 1: also think the rhythm of the music, how fast it
Speaker 1: is as a as a record. So two Problem Must
Speaker 1: Die became this super duper anominaly and Pariah. And it's
Speaker 1: funny because somebody was talking to me They was like, man,
Speaker 1: I just knew people was gonna do other versions of
Speaker 1: that song, you know, like they would make another rapper.
Speaker 1: And I'm like, the problem is people think I just
Speaker 1: said a rapper or certain fans would come to me
Speaker 1: right and people be like, oh, in when you're gonna
Speaker 1: do Biggie must die And I'm like, I don't know
Speaker 1: what happened to Biggie, nor what happened to Biggie is
Speaker 1: a street story. Yeah that's not a street story, right that, Like,
Speaker 1: nobody in the streets know what happened to Biggie. But
Speaker 1: that's how I knew. It was like a real high
Speaker 1: dollar hit, you know, I mean crazy ship. It wasn't
Speaker 1: like regular with Tupac. When when when Pop got shot,
Speaker 1: we knew in real time to the t like we
Speaker 1: knew when they jumped on you know, cousin the casino,
Speaker 1: all the way to when he caught up with him
Speaker 1: and found out he got shot before the news said it.
Speaker 1: Because street business travels in the streets. Biggie Ship was
Speaker 1: never street business. Nobody had an idea what happened. It
Speaker 1: wasn't even like nothing with Tupac. It was unanimous. At
Speaker 1: the same time, we all got the same cars and
Speaker 1: was calling each other around man the boys, and then
Speaker 1: got that pop say for jumping on him. And it
Speaker 1: was never like really no sad feeling. It was that's
Speaker 1: how it's going on streets as normal. Yeah, But to
Speaker 1: to to have this work and people realize it and
Speaker 1: just you know, they are so intellectually lazy or so
Speaker 1: you know, consider themselves a fan is I'm telling you
Speaker 1: it's no different than when I talked to like, I
Speaker 1: don't I don't like talking about religion, especially Christianity, right
Speaker 1: because I don't study Christianity the way other people do.
Speaker 1: I don't. First off, I don't study it under somebody
Speaker 1: watching down on me like a preacher or somebody trying
Speaker 1: to tell me. And nor do I study the Bible
Speaker 1: is not the beginning. I mean Christianity itself, you know,
Speaker 1: it starts with multiple different things way before that, even
Speaker 1: before you know the counselor not see it conveniing what
Speaker 1: I'm saying before that, like the ideas were already there.
Speaker 1: I'm saying, even if it wasn't called Christianity. So that's
Speaker 1: how I feel, and you just like I watch it
Speaker 1: and I watched how many pains like I got a
Speaker 1: chance to talk to dreb By, how many people hated
Speaker 1: them at the the police. I was able to get
Speaker 1: some counsel from me, and I was able to get
Speaker 1: counsel from the outside. And I realized when you make
Speaker 1: real gangster wrap, like, people don't like it. Their outrage.
Speaker 1: When Snoop first came out dog, I never forget it
Speaker 1: was a church group or a church collective, A bunch
Speaker 1: of churches bought like two or three hundred of his
Speaker 1: c ds and then put them out in the streets
Speaker 1: and had all these people out there rooting against it, right,
Speaker 1: and they were and they were um and they were
Speaker 1: like they rolled them over with like a steam press.
Speaker 1: I mean it was on the news. Even even in
Speaker 1: the watts of people still call the police, like if
Speaker 1: something happens to them, you know, that's significant enough. So
Speaker 1: it might be like, oh, they're not gonna shove, I'm
Speaker 1: not gonna call, But if it matters enough, people are
Speaker 1: still gonna call the police, you know, And though are
Speaker 1: the people that are gonna make up most of the audience.
Speaker 1: I thought one of the interesting points you made kind
Speaker 1: of in Passing a second Ago was like if um
Speaker 1: all you were saying, like, like like people get like fans
Speaker 1: who who don't know the guy get more passionately like engaged,
Speaker 1: like emotionally over the death of Tupac or celebrities in general.
Speaker 1: You know, then, like you would in a circumstance that
Speaker 1: makes sense over someone that you knew personally, Like if
Speaker 1: someone from you know, your hood that you knew I
Speaker 1: wouldn't got involved in, you know, deal whatever to somebody
Speaker 1: else and they came back and got him. I mean,
Speaker 1: you're gonna have to do what you're gonna have to do,
Speaker 1: but you're probably you're not gonna be irrationally like out
Speaker 1: of your mind over how it could possibly have taken place,
Speaker 1: You know what I mean? M hm um, you know
Speaker 1: what it is too. And I realized looking at it,
Speaker 1: I realize the difference between me and most people, and
Speaker 1: I have to stop calling myself that like. Fan is
Speaker 1: short for fanatic m hm. A fanatic is a person
Speaker 1: feel with excessive and single minded zeal, especially for any
Speaker 1: extreme purpose, whether it's religion or political cause. So a
Speaker 1: person feel so a Tupoc fan or Tupoc fanatic, or
Speaker 1: a snoop DOGG fanatic or a snoop dog fan is
Speaker 1: a person feeled with excessive and single minded zeal for
Speaker 1: this artist. I don't think I'm a fanatic of anyone. No,
Speaker 1: I can't cross that bridge either. It's it's a it's
Speaker 1: a state of delusion. I mean it's it's it's it's
Speaker 1: artificially manufacturing a relationship with the person that you don't
Speaker 1: know and have never met that doesn't exist, you know,
Speaker 1: and valls of emotional bonds that's not real. And it's
Speaker 1: people man who jump in my d M once or
Speaker 1: twice a year and literally just what cuts me out?
Speaker 1: And I'll ask them when I got time and feel
Speaker 1: like being bothered, I'd be like, why are you upset?
Speaker 1: What is wrong? He's like, when you made that song
Speaker 1: Distant Tupac, how did I diss him? Well? You know
Speaker 1: you you just capitalizing off his death. I'm like, anybody
Speaker 1: that talks about Tupac today capitalizes off his death. If
Speaker 1: they're telling the story that you feel favors him, it's
Speaker 1: capitalizing off his death. If you feel as somebody who
Speaker 1: says something negative, if somebody puts out a verse, they're
Speaker 1: capitalizing off the fact he died. And you start making
Speaker 1: sense to people, and because they're so single minded Lee,
Speaker 1: you know, excessively just enthusiastic about a person and they
Speaker 1: they're single minded. And the point about hip hop is
Speaker 1: it's all about that upside down perspective. So how if
Speaker 1: you're a fanatic of Tupoci Cord right, there's no way
Speaker 1: possible you can understand this song. Like if somebody is
Speaker 1: a fanatic of the police department and police services, fuck
Speaker 1: the police, could never make sense. It don't matter which
Speaker 1: point you point out, Like to me, Tupoc I was
Speaker 1: not Like, the goal was not to take an opposing
Speaker 1: side against Tupocsichord. That's just silly. It's not about that.
Speaker 1: It's to inform you right on the morality of a
Speaker 1: specific urby street culture. It's crimping. I mean, gang banging
Speaker 1: blood do the same exact thing like, and we morally
Speaker 1: all agree that it's the right thing to do, and
Speaker 1: we all respected. So I'm shedding a lot, you know,
Speaker 1: in in a place in hip hop that's never been
Speaker 1: sheared before. Moraley. But if somebody's a single minded, if
Speaker 1: they are a single minded and excessive you know what
Speaker 1: I mean, sending this over a person or a cause,
Speaker 1: I'm more delusional to think they can understand it, you
Speaker 1: know what what I'm saying, like, and it hit me like,
Speaker 1: I am not a fanatic. I'm not a fan of
Speaker 1: any fucking bodies. Yeah, I'm not a fan of anyone.
Speaker 1: I'm single minded about or excessive about any person. The
Speaker 1: closest would be scar Face, and yes, Scarface can do wrong.
Speaker 1: What's weird to me is what Tupac must die. I
Speaker 1: don't think I pointed out anything wrong about him. I
Speaker 1: didn't say, oh, he did this wrong. I'm giving you
Speaker 1: a person's perspective of how they see it. And he
Speaker 1: didn't say did nothing wrong. He like, oh, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: show this nigga, because he showed every other nigga that
Speaker 1: wasn't Tupac just as well, even to his death. The
Speaker 1: nigga got into a crazy shootout with some niggas and
Speaker 1: showed them and died in the process. This is a
Speaker 1: nigga consistently showing, improving that he is not to be
Speaker 1: taking advantage of or disrespecting. I had the craziest conversation
Speaker 1: with Redge about this, right, and this was offline, and
Speaker 1: I was telling Redge, redg genuine Dredgy Reggie right, right?
Speaker 1: Was he ran the company that's death Row. He was security.
Speaker 1: You know, he's a he's a post. He was a
Speaker 1: police early on in his in his in his life
Speaker 1: because his father was like a legend that probably the
Speaker 1: most legendary law man from Compton. He was like a
Speaker 1: law man that everybody in Compton respected like it didn't matter,
Speaker 1: you know. Real like we was talking about the other day,
Speaker 1: real one per center and gang bang culture is the
Speaker 1: same culture. Really, people don't really disrespect the police like
Speaker 1: person like you understand the value for law and you
Speaker 1: run your place through law. It's it's more or less.
Speaker 1: You don't funk with big government, give me fed government.
Speaker 1: So right, um, and Reggie was really convinced that they
Speaker 1: put out you know, and I've heard O g uh
Speaker 1: kiv D said, I don't believe it. I don't give
Speaker 1: a fuck what they say. If you put out a
Speaker 1: seventy five hundred or ten thousand dollar bounty on a
Speaker 1: motherfucking death rod chain, because nigga, not only would everybody
Speaker 1: be fighting from one gang to mob right for they
Speaker 1: change Dad's and corrupt would have been in trouble. Ten
Speaker 1: thousand dollars, ten thousand motherfucking dollars you know what the
Speaker 1: type of ship motherfucker did in nine and watch that's
Speaker 1: down payment on the house. You know how many colors
Speaker 1: is and regals? Ten thousand dollar by man. Niggas would
Speaker 1: have been looking for Dad's and corrupt. So if you
Speaker 1: put a bounty out on a chain, bounties don't go
Speaker 1: to one neighborhood, the niggas is gonna tell other niggas.
Speaker 1: For sure. Babby Lane would have told dre Or Lane
Speaker 1: would have told niggas from Nutty Block or niggas from
Speaker 1: neighborhood comed the neighborhood the niggas that they freaking why
Speaker 1: didn't niggas wasn't looking for change? You know, I'm an
Speaker 1: verify further, but I just do not believe for two
Speaker 1: motherfucker's seconds that it was a ten thousand dollar bounty
Speaker 1: on about fifty chains and didn't no change come up missing.
Speaker 1: This is this is southern California, my nigga. This is
Speaker 1: a crip country. It is literally two already crypt for
Speaker 1: everyone blood and crypts don't like crips. So Dad's and
Speaker 1: corrupt for short Snoop would have been on the chopping
Speaker 1: block for ten thousand dollars, right, now I can pay
Speaker 1: ten thousand dollars and get snooped shot shot. For if
Speaker 1: I give a nigga ten thousand, they will shoot the
Speaker 1: ship out of dog. And it's snoop. Thinking about ten thousand,
Speaker 1: like ten thousand right now with inflation, ten thousand can't
Speaker 1: get you nothing but a couple of you know, tanks
Speaker 1: of gas. Now and get you nothing but a couple
Speaker 1: of in and out meals. Now, yeah, it's still a
Speaker 1: check celebration dinner. Ten thousand and nine six would have
Speaker 1: got you ten colorses and the probably during the right now,
Speaker 1: right ten ten colors is in the regal, nigga, and
Speaker 1: I'll talk about clean colors. Is with your rolls, nice interior?
Speaker 1: You know, I mean twenty seven thousand miles, you've had
Speaker 1: some nice g body colorses and regals. Because so for
Speaker 1: me right now, ten thousand dollars, nigked, that will get
Speaker 1: you just one clean colors. You can't even get a
Speaker 1: grand back. Then you could have got two grand Nationals
Speaker 1: for ten thousand and ninety six. So you mean to
Speaker 1: tell me, dog would have been walking around with a
Speaker 1: Niggas would have been on them, niggas like Boy White
Speaker 1: on rice ten ten was in ten thousand dollars. Niggas
Speaker 1: is crazy man, ten thousand. Now, I don't give a
Speaker 1: funk with all the niggas sin, none of them niggas.
Speaker 1: I love all of them with all my heart soul,
Speaker 1: and I think they'd be right nine of the time.
Speaker 1: But some of this ship is ridiculous. If I put
Speaker 1: a ten thousand dollar bounty right now on any nigga
Speaker 1: change in the city and ten thousand dollars because is
Speaker 1: not what ten thousand dollarge used to be. There's not
Speaker 1: a nigga click change if if it's more than ten change, nick,
Speaker 1: I will have three of the motherfucker's for ten thousand dollars,
Speaker 1: there'd be a run on your bank. How many would
Speaker 1: come back? Ten thousand right now? For one thousand name number,
Speaker 1: four months, rent and watts, that's what. That's four months
Speaker 1: and ten thousand fil me ten thousand in any other
Speaker 1: city is two to three months. So people think I'm
Speaker 1: starting to get that. People think I'm crazy, right, So
Speaker 1: there's there's a there's a tuproblem dis away entity right
Speaker 1: because um because like right, the conversation is with fanatics
Speaker 1: and it's their singlemindedly objective and and to some people, um,
Speaker 1: nothing Tupac did could warrant his death. That Tupac could
Speaker 1: have raped their mother and it didn't warrant their death.
Speaker 1: Tupac could have, you know, molested somebody and that didn't
Speaker 1: warrant his death. To this version of a fanatic, again,
Speaker 1: like if you talk to a Christian, I mean, and
Speaker 1: you explained to them Jesus was a man walking the
Speaker 1: earth and of course he did the wrong. No, Jesus
Speaker 1: didn't do nothing. It's impossible, and it's like, well, why
Speaker 1: couldn't he have I mean, but again, when you're a fanatic,
Speaker 1: you know, when you're single minded, you know, and you
Speaker 1: and I feel with excessive zeal for an entity or
Speaker 1: a person, there's no way possible. And and even with
Speaker 1: Tupac must die, like it's not you shouldn't dislike Tupac.
Speaker 1: If you hear the song like you don't, you don't
Speaker 1: have to dislike Tupac. All I'm expressing to you is
Speaker 1: the morality of gang members. Yeah, I don't get what
Speaker 1: is the problem. It's just these orthodox Tupac fundamentalists, orthodox
Speaker 1: Tuparc fundamentalists. I had an idea I was going to
Speaker 1: do with the outlaws, moprem different niggas. I wanted to
Speaker 1: make something called the Thible, the Thug Bible, right, and
Speaker 1: it's the Two Testament, and it's it's like just like Matthew,
Speaker 1: Mark Luke and John. I would have you know, all
Speaker 1: of the outlaws, all of the surviving members of thug
Speaker 1: life of treats, all right, these these biblical chap there
Speaker 1: these books, you know, like Bible books on their experiences
Speaker 1: with Tupac. And then I would compile it and make it,
Speaker 1: you know, I would. I would create a counsel of
Speaker 1: Compton right, a counsel of Compton right that literally has
Speaker 1: that creates this religion that follows the thug laws of Tupac,
Speaker 1: and you can create a legit religion from it. Because
Speaker 1: Tupac's legend has to be like, you know, bigger than
Speaker 1: Jesus legend was in that time, like like between Tupac,
Speaker 1: between Jesus dying, you know, being hung on the cross,
Speaker 1: all the way to when they created Christianity. His legend
Speaker 1: was spready, but his legend didn't spread as much as
Speaker 1: pox did after he passed away. To two thousand. Tupac's
Speaker 1: legend is worldwide. It is infectious and people love it.
Speaker 1: So all you need to do is give them an
Speaker 1: organized way to practice said religion and to follow. Like
Speaker 1: I was so again today, like um um Kanye should
Speaker 1: have never married that bitch took place in a wedding chapter.
Speaker 1: But they see across He's like, how dare you you know?
Speaker 1: Um take that symbol of Jesus Christ and you defoul
Speaker 1: it with your visuals of using profanity. And I was like, well,
Speaker 1: you m in the church and I want to complain
Speaker 1: to him. God chased people. I mean, Jesus tastes people
Speaker 1: out the church with a broom. People chase him out
Speaker 1: the temple with the broom swinging on him, trying to
Speaker 1: whack them. Feel me, so not to mention Jesus did
Speaker 1: not select the cross as his symbol. That's like me,
Speaker 1: I'm alive. My number is seven. That's my number. So
Speaker 1: if you wanted the number that represent me seven and
Speaker 1: then I passed away and you for some reason talking
Speaker 1: about I got shot three times, so my number is three, bitch,
Speaker 1: my number was seven. That's mamma. If you follow me
Speaker 1: and you really fuck with me, how you let a
Speaker 1: bunch of other motherfucker's tell you what my number was
Speaker 1: that represents Oh, he got shot three times, so his
Speaker 1: numbers three, bitch, No, it's not. And that's how I
Speaker 1: feel about when they talk to me about Jesus with
Speaker 1: the Cross. Bro y'all chose that ship for your selfish
Speaker 1: purposes of like, oh, he died for our sins or
Speaker 1: the Cross. No, bitch, that represents your relationship. What represents
Speaker 1: Jesus is something that Jesus fun with that he picked.
Speaker 1: And I feel like that with Tupac too. I keep
Speaker 1: explaining this to people, right, Tupac loved the streets. He
Speaker 1: embraced them. He embraced everything that came with them. And
Speaker 1: you watch people telling about they Tupac fans and they
Speaker 1: Nip fans and they're trying to down the streets. These
Speaker 1: two niggas love the streets. They would never turn their
Speaker 1: back on the streets. Some people say, oh, it caused
Speaker 1: their death, that's why they die. No, they die because
Speaker 1: you gotta die. You is not gonna live on this
Speaker 1: motherfucker forever. You got to die. How you go out.
Speaker 1: What's more important than the fact you gotta die as
Speaker 1: how you live. And them two gentlemen understood that the
Speaker 1: best they understood that living a certain way was more
Speaker 1: important than just dying, and they chose to live the
Speaker 1: way they wanted to live. So it's weird that, like
Speaker 1: I said, if I say I'm a Tupac, like I
Speaker 1: enjoyed tupacs music, or before I realize I'm not a
Speaker 1: fanatic of anyone, like I would consider myself a fan
Speaker 1: of Tupac. I enjoyed his music thoroughly. And somebody said, well,
Speaker 1: how could you be his fan and make a song
Speaker 1: like Tupacs died? I'm like, that's exactly why you can
Speaker 1: make the song. Yeah, I mean, people are huge. It's
Speaker 1: usually people who have a passion for something, their research,
Speaker 1: something to try to answer an unsolved question or a
Speaker 1: question that's maybe been solved but not necessarily relayed to people,
Speaker 1: you have to be you know, indoctrinated in that person.
Speaker 1: To me, So it's like it's just been a weird experience. Man,
Speaker 1: the whole thing was a weird experience, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. But it was great. It was It was
Speaker 1: so by far as the first time I ever was
Speaker 1: called a cloud. I don't even know what that is.
Speaker 1: That Like I always had cloud, sayce high school. I
Speaker 1: don't even never not remember being one of those niggas.
Speaker 1: That would be like tantamount to saying that at the
Speaker 1: height of his career that the game was a cloud
Speaker 1: chaser because he always was always referring to like legendary
Speaker 1: West Coast Rappers all the time and ship in this vield.
Speaker 1: I think they only called it cloud chasing, right if
Speaker 1: if it's uh, if they feel the conversation is negative,
Speaker 1: if if you in a positive manner like where Chuck,
Speaker 1: which he uses those names, they say, he's a uh
Speaker 1: what's the word called? He always um uh it's it's
Speaker 1: a word for to name something uh maybe like game
Speaker 1: be uh. I forgot Anyway, it didn't matter to me
Speaker 1: because I don't I don't subscribe to none of that
Speaker 1: silly ass ship. I feel like people talk about things
Speaker 1: that people want to tune into. M hm. You know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. People talk about things that people want
Speaker 1: to tune into. And the thing about you know, Tupac
Speaker 1: Must Die was the title is because that was the
Speaker 1: mind state of the person he jumped. Not only was
Speaker 1: it a film, but I shot it first person, so
Speaker 1: if you watched the video, you watched it from the
Speaker 1: eyes of somebody that got jumped by Tupac and his friends.
Speaker 1: I mean, that's why must die based off of the
Speaker 1: fact that that was that right, it made perfect sense. Um,
Speaker 1: I don't know, man, like I don't. I don't, I don't.
Speaker 1: I don't think this should even be hard for fanatic
Speaker 1: to understand because this doesn't go against anything that Tupacs
Speaker 1: said or stood for. Like it's people who arguing maybe
Speaker 1: like a lot of Tupac wasn't a gang member, and
Speaker 1: I'm like Tupacs that he is from the mob, Like
Speaker 1: he started claiming mob starts at m O B and
Speaker 1: money over bitches and it's par Roux and talking about
Speaker 1: you know, Long Beach Boulevard and Rosecrans and you know,
Speaker 1: I think he was already you know, vested in the
Speaker 1: community at that point. Yes, that's I think pretty reasonable.
Speaker 1: Do you think that like a lot of like I
Speaker 1: could understand somebody from I don't like Irvine or suburban
Speaker 1: Phoenix or wherever the hell being a fan with no perspective,
Speaker 1: do you feel that a lot of the people who
Speaker 1: you know are hyper critical of the project to you
Speaker 1: would fit that um description or that they're like really
Speaker 1: street people who were just for some reason clouded by
Speaker 1: this one exceptional character. For the most part, nobody in
Speaker 1: the streets feels like that. What I realized, most people
Speaker 1: who do feel that way have never seen a video.
Speaker 1: I would I would dare someone to read the lyrics
Speaker 1: and see the visuals and not say like, oh, this
Speaker 1: is genius and it's not a pot this. But again,
Speaker 1: it's a reason why it's only ten million views across
Speaker 1: the net, you know what I mean, Yet there's a
Speaker 1: hundred million to three hundred million opinions. Mm hmm. You
Speaker 1: I mean, it's it's a it's a cold thing. You
Speaker 1: feel me, it's it's it's it's almost unbelievable dog And
Speaker 1: it's in a lot of people for sake of the
Speaker 1: conversation surrounding it couldn't probably either didn't want to couldn't
Speaker 1: bring themselves to watch it, like like voter suppression of
Speaker 1: like viewer suppression. Yeah, because I think somewhere in their
Speaker 1: mind they thought if they watched it, that um that
Speaker 1: they if they if they watched it, that they may
Speaker 1: have a different opinion of somebody there. You know, they're
Speaker 1: singlemindedly and excessively filled with enthusiasm about Yeah, I don't
Speaker 1: get it. And and I'm gonna tell you how I
Speaker 1: know it's true and possible, right Um, during those eight
Speaker 1: years of studying the business and going crazy and like
Speaker 1: you know, I realized, like somebody like Michael Jackson right
Speaker 1: west side, real quick, I got you on the podcast
Speaker 1: I'm talking to Pete. Um, what is it when somebody
Speaker 1: uses names all the time to actually verify their point
Speaker 1: or to make you interested, like it I work with
Speaker 1: this nigga, this nigga? What do we call that name?
Speaker 1: What do we call it? Name dropping? No name something?
Speaker 1: What what was the slang word for what we call
Speaker 1: that name dropping? Name dropping? Need be name dropping? So
Speaker 1: if you say something positive or would people revere as
Speaker 1: positive about other people, they say is name dropping. If
Speaker 1: you say something that people feel is negative, they would
Speaker 1: call it cloud chasing. So either way, whether you funk
Speaker 1: with niggas that's celebrity or popular, you feel me, I
Speaker 1: meet you back, nigga, whether you funk with people that
Speaker 1: celebrity or popular, like, people are going to get mad
Speaker 1: about it. Like, can I put you on a spot
Speaker 1: real quick? Yeah? For sure? In your opinion based off
Speaker 1: of all the people you know and all the people
Speaker 1: you've talked to and known for years that were around
Speaker 1: Park and all and all. But you know a lot
Speaker 1: of people from and we're around death Throw on the
Speaker 1: Scene and all of it. Yeah, content and all of
Speaker 1: that has them. Was there any element of two PACs
Speaker 1: we'll call it relationship with my piru that had anything
Speaker 1: to do with beneficial branding or positive feedback of any
Speaker 1: kind of sort other than just pure organic social proximity. No,
Speaker 1: there's no economic benefit. Gangs are like super duper welcoming.
Speaker 1: You know, there's always a member right that's trying to
Speaker 1: figure out, Man, maybe I can change my life, maybe
Speaker 1: this could put me in a legal light to earn economically.
Speaker 1: So yeah, there's always those guys. But for the most part,
Speaker 1: gangs are just proud that you want to be a
Speaker 1: part of them. I'm not asking from the perspective of
Speaker 1: the gang. I'm asking from the perspective of the of
Speaker 1: the rapper. Like does the rappers affiliation with the name
Speaker 1: brand title of at the time of the West Coast
Speaker 1: Gangster Wraps that like full Throttle. I genuinely think when
Speaker 1: Pot came home, Park had read some really great books.
Speaker 1: Are the Wars one. I think Pot came home with
Speaker 1: a marketing strategy. He put together a marketing strategy sitting
Speaker 1: in jail that was going to be for a proof um.
Speaker 1: Then I think he initially was jails like, yeah, when
Speaker 1: I come home because I'm signing death from I'm a
Speaker 1: bank to mob im we should no. But I think
Speaker 1: what happened was when he came home, he saw how
Speaker 1: dope niggas was, Like, he saw how dope Trey vine
Speaker 1: Lane was. He saw how dope butt real I was.
Speaker 1: He saw how dope Heron was. He saw the love
Speaker 1: of niggas who grew up poor together in the camaraderie
Speaker 1: of it, and it's very infectious, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: Like like when you see how niggas get down with
Speaker 1: each other. I mean, I got putnished from the mob.
Speaker 1: My boy Mike, he Rue locked up the Boarrestie Peace
Speaker 1: turn Rib. I can go through names of mob niggas,
Speaker 1: droe Rescipe, Peace, different niggas that I genuinely love, feel
Speaker 1: me and you know, you you come up in the sect.
Speaker 1: Yeah it's not culture. It's a little different, but it's
Speaker 1: the same community, and you realize you got so much
Speaker 1: in common with niggas. And I think when Pop came home,
Speaker 1: Don't get me wrong, I think definitely when he signed
Speaker 1: with Death Row, he realized, like, yeah, this nigga kinda
Speaker 1: I'm not feeling how these niggas is on top. And
Speaker 1: they did kind of, you know, get my style of
Speaker 1: talking to the girls and ships. So feel me. And
Speaker 1: I got shot in the town and I could kind
Speaker 1: of take it where I want to take it. Like
Speaker 1: he had a plan for sure, But I don't think
Speaker 1: his plan involved let me become a mob piru. I
Speaker 1: think that happened organically. I thought they saw him and
Speaker 1: they liked him. This nigga, you know, it's a young,
Speaker 1: wild nigga, This nigga twenty four, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: he's a superstar to some degrees. He's a star. You
Speaker 1: mean he's in films. You I mean, he's like a nigga.
Speaker 1: You know, Pocket is a nigga, you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: Like feel me. He was vocal open, he had survived jail,
Speaker 1: he had been shot. There's a lot of things to
Speaker 1: respect about his experience. When you come from our backgrounds,
Speaker 1: you're like, ship man, this nigga. Nigga just got out
Speaker 1: of prison. Then they got a parole number. You feel me.
Speaker 1: They fucking with him, you know, he you know, he
Speaker 1: carried from the side slum, so you love it and
Speaker 1: he vocal this Nigga is brightened loud on niggas year
Speaker 1: and nigga popping and ship. So I could see how
Speaker 1: they could be indoctrinated into, you know, fucking with him
Speaker 1: and supporting him. He's a fucking awesome He's an awesome light.
Speaker 1: You know I'm saying going on and and from his eyes,
Speaker 1: you know you're talking about niggas that's down as a motherfucker. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I mean, the motherfucking niggas was. Damn they was with
Speaker 1: it and they was gonna. You know, there wasn't like
Speaker 1: no other niggas pop was around. No disrespect to nobody
Speaker 1: from from the bay, you know, from up top, no
Speaker 1: disrespect to none of the homies from thug life and
Speaker 1: none of that. But them niggas was some ship and
Speaker 1: them niggas was. They would press a hard line. And
Speaker 1: I think he saw that in that camaraderie, that love
Speaker 1: they had for each other, and that style and that
Speaker 1: culture and that fashion and that get down and he
Speaker 1: fell in love with it too. It's hard not to
Speaker 1: you see rappers today falling in love with it right now, singers,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. It's it's a very infectious thing.
Speaker 1: So I genuinely think, Na, he wasn't really if that
Speaker 1: wasn't part of the plan. And I'll be honest. I mean,
Speaker 1: I'll say something honest on this podcast, and its something
Speaker 1: I don't share often, but I definitely think, well, I
Speaker 1: think it was obvious the beef for bad Boy wasn't
Speaker 1: real from his perspective. It was just competitive. I mean,
Speaker 1: he wanted to compete for that spot. You know, Snoop
Speaker 1: had one spot. It wasn't take. It wasn't no taking
Speaker 1: Snoop spot. Stoop was the nigga I mean, but Biggie
Speaker 1: spot happened was a big deal. And this was his
Speaker 1: little homie, you know what I'm saying. This was his
Speaker 1: little nigga that he put on and put him on
Speaker 1: stages and funk with him and you know, showting love
Speaker 1: and now this nigga come home and you and jail.
Speaker 1: This nigga is the man. Big is the fucking man.
Speaker 1: And you know, you see some little things being said,
Speaker 1: you see some things that you feel was played around
Speaker 1: so you could create enough of an attitude to compete. Now,
Speaker 1: how do you formulate the public to support you competing.
Speaker 1: You can't just say, well him niggas ain't better than me, right,
Speaker 1: It's like no, So a lot of times he allowed
Speaker 1: the public to be misled with belief that you know,
Speaker 1: people really feel like Biggie has something to do with
Speaker 1: him getting shot, or Biggie set him up, or Biggie
Speaker 1: called niggas and Pop always said that's not true. But
Speaker 1: he did give you little small tid bigs to where
Speaker 1: you think that could be possibly true, so that rallies
Speaker 1: you around, like POC understood war differently, and he came
Speaker 1: home with a plan and executed. So No, I don't
Speaker 1: think genuinely bro that that that was. Um, I don't
Speaker 1: think that's what he was on. I don't think he
Speaker 1: came home like y'all gonna be from MAB. I think
Speaker 1: saw like I said, them names them names them niggas,
Speaker 1: you know, shuk man. It really was like, man, I
Speaker 1: funk with this, I funk with these niggas, and they're
Speaker 1: down for me, you know what I'm saying. And they
Speaker 1: saw him and saw a little a light, a flashlight
Speaker 1: like a light like a lighte from God like a
Speaker 1: being you feel me, and they just like you know,
Speaker 1: they was attracted to each other the whole movement, and
Speaker 1: they got down and it ended up producing you know,
Speaker 1: possibly you know, one of the greatest hip hop albums
Speaker 1: or greatest albums ever to come out in music. So
Speaker 1: it's it's it's tough. It's tough, man, because while I
Speaker 1: do get how a fanatic can feel about something, right,
Speaker 1: but if you took the time to look at it
Speaker 1: and watch it, you feel me. It's not against POC.
Speaker 1: The idea is informative, is to help you understand. But
Speaker 1: again the point I was making when I lost my
Speaker 1: train of thought earlier, and then we jump off because
Speaker 1: I don't want to drag this out. But when I
Speaker 1: was along my studies from two thousand eleven to two
Speaker 1: thousand nineteen, I'm still studying there, but this is when
Speaker 1: I was at the grass Root and you know, getting
Speaker 1: my uh my bachelor's and record making, you know, getting
Speaker 1: my masters and hip hop, you know, getting my doctorates
Speaker 1: and marketing. Right as as I'm on that journey for
Speaker 1: those from two thousand eleven and nineteen, I learned about
Speaker 1: Michael Jackson. I learned Michael jackson dance move came from
Speaker 1: a gentleman named by False and a couple of mixed components.
Speaker 1: But a lot of the way he's moved that we've
Speaker 1: made him popular for or made him original, came from
Speaker 1: by false. Um. I figured out that, you know, Billy Jean,
Speaker 1: you know, Billy Jean is just hauling notes. I can't
Speaker 1: go for that. I realized that thriller is Rick James.
Speaker 1: I realized he kind of, you know, took a lot
Speaker 1: of the field from Ray Parker Badest Ghostbusters. I realized
Speaker 1: Don't start to You Get Enough is a poorly executed
Speaker 1: version of of Um Marvin Gays got to Give it Up.
Speaker 1: He wrote the song in his kitchen with the radio playing.
Speaker 1: The number one song in the country was Marvin Gaye
Speaker 1: Got to Give it Up. So if you listen to
Speaker 1: Michael Jackson, don't stop till You Get Enough. It's the
Speaker 1: reason he sings in falsetto poorly. It sounds horrible, like
Speaker 1: it's not the word, but it's not Royn Banks from
Speaker 1: the Dramatics. You know, that's not his style. But he
Speaker 1: was so possessed by what Marvin Gaye and Rick James
Speaker 1: and Prince, you know what I mean, and all that stuff,
Speaker 1: and Quincy Jones was such a machine that you could
Speaker 1: tell him and he could make it be that without
Speaker 1: being that. You know. Somebody asked me who did I
Speaker 1: think Quincy Jones was right, and they said that I
Speaker 1: think it was Dr Dre And I was like, I
Speaker 1: told DJ Quick this. I said, if Quick is Prince
Speaker 1: and Rick James mixed together, his influence on Dr Dre
Speaker 1: makes him Quincy Jones. But I don't think Dr Jars
Speaker 1: Quincy Jones. You know who's Quincy Jones? For real? That
Speaker 1: nigga is some ship. He will make some ship across
Speaker 1: all landscapes, and he will make some ship that feel
Speaker 1: like some ship that ain't that ship. And that's the
Speaker 1: same thing. So while I'm thinking right the fact that
Speaker 1: you know, the greatest the legends in the history of
Speaker 1: the game, what I tried to do with most niggas
Speaker 1: around me, and what I try to do musically, even
Speaker 1: with Tupac must Die. I tried to explain to you
Speaker 1: the stars are not that they're not that far out there,
Speaker 1: like these are not just super gifted people or super
Speaker 1: talented people. Most of these people that are successful at
Speaker 1: that level, like a poc was well studied. These nigga
Speaker 1: study history. These are animals and monsters. Dr Dre knows
Speaker 1: more records than anybody in the world. I just nigga
Speaker 1: know all the records. He don't know how to play
Speaker 1: the piano as much as he knows all these records.
Speaker 1: Scott Stories don't know all these records as much as
Speaker 1: you know how to play the piano. So again, the
Speaker 1: great like, So I'm telling this to my boy, and
Speaker 1: I'm showing him. You know, a movie of by Falls
Speaker 1: and they called The Little Prince, and it's a scene
Speaker 1: called the Snake. I'm saying where he's teaching this little
Speaker 1: boy where the snake is, and he turns into a
Speaker 1: human snake and he's explaining to this boy and that's
Speaker 1: where those moves Michael Jackson used from to the point
Speaker 1: where it's a moonwalk and everything you mean. And I
Speaker 1: showed him how. I start breaking down all of Michael
Speaker 1: Jackson's biggest records in the music and I'm like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I got it from here. And instead of the person
Speaker 1: I was teaching, instead of you're feeling like, oh I
Speaker 1: can because he's an artist, he's like, oh, instead of
Speaker 1: them saying I can be great, Like greatness is not
Speaker 1: that far away if I just put in my work
Speaker 1: and I study. You know what I'm saying, I can
Speaker 1: be that. It's like, oh, he's not that, that's the nigga.
Speaker 1: That was the nigga response. Oh I thought he was that.
Speaker 1: That nigga is not that. No, he's that nigga. I'm saying,
Speaker 1: you could be that. That's not a role that hasn't
Speaker 1: been traveled. That's a well documented road consistently. And I'm
Speaker 1: realizing how people are such fanatics that if you expressing them,
Speaker 1: how somebody built themselves into something that's still their joy.
Speaker 1: Like magic tricks are still magic tricks even if you
Speaker 1: know what's behind the curtain, but not to everybody else.
Speaker 1: They can't enjoy the magic trick if they know what's
Speaker 1: behind the curtains. That's the problem. And to me, that's
Speaker 1: what Tupac mus Die was. It was showing people what's
Speaker 1: behind the curtains. Damn. That's a perfect illustration of like
Speaker 1: such a huge human behavior and societal issue. It's like
Speaker 1: people want like if somebody is regular and they I
Speaker 1: want to know why they aren't great, It's it's because
Speaker 1: to be great, you have to be endowed from God
Speaker 1: with something. Otherwise, if anybody could do it, I didn't
Speaker 1: do it, and I have to reconcile. Good looking out
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