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Speaker 1: This One Bill's Live presented by Calida Health. Hey how

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a Thursday here on One Bill's Live. Chris Brown,

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Speaker 2: Steve Tasker with you. Mandatory Mini camp is over, not

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Speaker 2: because today was the last day, but because it got scrapped,

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Speaker 2: as has been the case the last few years under

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Speaker 2: head coach Sean McDermott. I want to say every year

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Speaker 2: since maybe maybe twenty seventeen was the only year he

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Speaker 2: didn't scrap the last mandatory mini camp that.

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Speaker 3: They didn't and one of a growing number of NFL

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Speaker 3: teams that finger quotes always scrapped the last.

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Speaker 4: Day of their mandatory MENI just didn't have theirs at all.

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Speaker 3: Patriots didn't have their last day. Who else there's a Yeah,

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Speaker 3: it's just starting to be.

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Speaker 4: It's common practice.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, these teams, because of the OTAs and the attendance

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Speaker 3: of those OTAs and the bills, have been there for

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Speaker 3: three been there for three weeks. Those last few days,

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Speaker 3: given the parameters that which they got to work in,

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Speaker 3: it's like, eh, you know, they've been doing.

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Speaker 1: This for three weeks, so.

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Speaker 3: One more hour and a half practice isn't gonna make

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Speaker 3: or break them. And they probably got all their stuff done.

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Speaker 3: Their agenda, all their installation, all their teaching on the field,

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Speaker 3: all their meetings, all that stuff's done.

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Speaker 1: So they, you know what, just cut them loose.

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Speaker 3: I think it's yeah, it's a cursory gesture towards the players,

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Speaker 3: I guess right.

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Speaker 2: And the reason the Jets scrap their mini camp was

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Speaker 2: they come back for training camp before anybody else except

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Speaker 2: for one other team because they're playing in the Hall

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Speaker 2: of Fame game. So by virtue of having an extra

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Speaker 2: preseason game, they can start their training camp early.

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Speaker 4: They'll have extra practices.

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Speaker 2: Not to mention the fact they'll have an extra preseason

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Speaker 2: game to get reps in as well.

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Speaker 3: So, yeah, it's so different these days, and it's better.

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Speaker 3: I gotta admit to as an old guy. But it

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Speaker 3: used to be you never took a day out. Oh

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Speaker 3: my gosh, it was like no days. I was like,

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Speaker 3: it's like, oh, you may as well just give up.

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Speaker 3: If you're gonna take if you're gonna cut this rep short,

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Speaker 3: you know, if you're gonna if you're gonna if you're

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Speaker 3: gonna take out this section of practice and not do

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Speaker 3: one on ones today, you may as well just give

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Speaker 3: up your you're weak you're worthless and weak. I mean,

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Speaker 3: it's really the mentality used to have. I was like,

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Speaker 3: you you know, I get it, dude.

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Speaker 1: This is better.

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Speaker 3: They works, they got science involved in it, they got

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Speaker 3: you know, these guys are going to listen, these guys

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Speaker 3: are you know, all the GPS stuff they've got. They

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Speaker 3: know how hard these guys are working, where they're running,

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Speaker 3: where they're you know, exertion, heart their heart level, their

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Speaker 1: And they say, you know.

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Speaker 4: What load management.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a thing, and they're just better now because

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Speaker 3: of it. Guys are out there, Guys are out there

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Speaker 3: dropping fifteen pounds in two a days, in a single day.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and they're like, come on, suck it up, let's go.

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Speaker 3: The guy's going dude, I weigh I lost more weight

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Speaker 1: You know, it's like unbelievable.

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Speaker 4: It's a little different. It's a little different now for sure.

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Speaker 2: So the final practice got canceled by a head coach

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Speaker 2: Sean McDermott on the heels of him addressing the situation

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Speaker 2: Stefan Digg's absence and then return to Miniicamp practice and

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Speaker 2: in his words, he feels the whole situation is now resolved.

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Speaker 2: So they break for the summer, They get their five

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Speaker 4: And uh, you know that's.

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Speaker 1: Is that the best thing to come out of Minichamp.

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Speaker 2: This thing had a life of its own day and

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Speaker 3: So yeah, it's funny, I not funny, but it all

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Speaker 3: came from Sean mcdermy. Sean mcdermot' say, very concerned.

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Speaker 1: That was it right? If so, if whatever, we.

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Speaker 3: People in our industry. I made this joke yesterday. It's

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Speaker 3: It gives them all the day off. I mean, that's

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Speaker 3: They don't want to hear about anything except that. So

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Speaker 3: it all it gave the entire Western New York media

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Speaker 4: To chew on a free day.

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Speaker 5: You know.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So that's over and done with, and you know,

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Speaker 2: they'll they'll be right back at it, you know, five

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Speaker 4: Get a break.

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Speaker 2: The rookies are probably really happy for this break because

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Speaker 2: they've been going basically since the college football season ended.

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Speaker 2: They've been on the pre draft train doing all of

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Speaker 2: that prepping for the combine and then the banquet circuit

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Speaker 2: then into OTA's a lot of extra classroom sessions because

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Speaker 2: they got to get up to speed on everything from

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Speaker 2: the playbook here. So they'll have a well deserved respite

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Speaker 4: I mean, they're young guys. They'll bounce back.

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Speaker 2: You know, we're talking twenty two and twenty three year olds,

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Speaker 2: twenty one year olds, But it's it's a six month grind.

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Speaker 2: I can't tell you how many times I would interview

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Speaker 2: I'm just looking forward to a normal off season as

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Speaker 2: I in good enough shape to run at the combine?

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Speaker 2: What is my agent telling me about the draft? Who

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Speaker 2: do I have to bring to the draft If I'm

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Speaker 3: Where am I staying when I get to the Where

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Speaker 3: am I going to live? Ye?

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Speaker 1: Of you know?

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Speaker 3: What where do I live? What town? Do I pick

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Speaker 1: They got their people.

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Speaker 3: They gotta figure out what they're gonna do with them

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Speaker 3: doing those people have to figure out how they're gonna

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Speaker 3: a life altering thing that happens to these young players,

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Speaker 3: and they get through this season, and then once that,

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Speaker 1: Rememberer just from a year ago. Oh that was me.

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Speaker 1: I was there. I'm like, oh, glad I don't have

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but also it's like, oh that that that's the

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Speaker 3: whole thing. So I went through this whole. This is

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Speaker 3: Oh I got this kind kind of that thing like,

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Speaker 3: oh I've seen all this before, Okay, now I got

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Speaker 3: I think for pro athletes because they it's such a

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Speaker 2: Now, may not know where anything is a training camp.

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Speaker 2: They'll need to get an orientation session there because I'm

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Speaker 2: willing to bet none of them have been to Saint

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Speaker 2: just like every other rookie that came before.

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Speaker 4: And that's part of the reason why.

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Speaker 1: I've said this before.

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Speaker 3: I had a coach, and the best coach I ever had,

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Speaker 1: To act like you should act.

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Speaker 3: And he's right, you just because you don't know how

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Speaker 6: You know?

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Speaker 4: Do I need a scooter to get around?

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Speaker 1: Do they have football? Do they have a stadium there?

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Speaker 1: Do we practice on stadium?

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Speaker 1: What do we you know, all this stuff they don't

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Speaker 2: And I think that's you know, all of those unknowns,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we'll see how it plays out when we're all

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Speaker 4: Six weeks time.

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Speaker 2: Let's go around the NFL, presented by a Kalaida Healthy,

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Speaker 4: And we begin with Hopkins.

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Speaker 2: Watch DeAndre Hopkins visiting with the Patriots today. There was

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Speaker 4: But we'll see.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, they the Patriots have got Juju Smith Schuster on

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Speaker 1: Number one guy. In New England.

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Speaker 3: Smith Schuster can't stay healthy, has really struggled with it

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Speaker 3: But I'll say this too, Bran, I the Patriots need

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Speaker 2: Right, I mean, they have other talent there. Kendrick Bourne's

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Speaker 4: Whatever.

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Speaker 4: I mean that's it.

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Speaker 2: They could use the help. I think that goes without

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Speaker 2: saying I'm gonna be very I mean, if they do

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Speaker 1: Right, But I'm with you.

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Speaker 3: I if the Patriots are thinking the way everybody else

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Speaker 3: But if it's DeAndre Hopkins acting like the guy we

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Speaker 2: Well, they're pretty much done between now and training camp.

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Speaker 2: Johan Dotson, speaking of receivers, Washington Commander's receiver Johan Dotson

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's yeah. I think it's gonna be a minute

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Speaker 2: If it does, and then there's the precipitous fall Steve

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Speaker 4: With a club.

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Speaker 3: That is unbelievable. Yeah, he was playing at an MVP

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Speaker 1: Massive. Yeah, and I think he is part of that.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't know.

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Speaker 3: Because Carson Wentz. This is my now I'm opening up

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Speaker 1: What about this guy? And then you put him in

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Speaker 4: I mean we're at the end.

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Speaker 3: it started, it started, and he just went. You know,

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Speaker 3: and the club obviously reviews every single inch of every

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Speaker 3: moment of footage they see, and they okay this and

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Speaker 3: okay that, and they only put they only allow HBO

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Speaker 3: Hard Knocks to put out approved footage of what they

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Speaker 3: have done, right of the hundreds of the final sign

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Speaker 3: off of the hundreds of hours and that they shoot.

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Speaker 3: You know, they only put on like fifty minutes of

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Speaker 3: it or whatever, and they review all of it. So

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Speaker 3: they only so that none of the proprietary information is

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Speaker 3: shown publicly. It's still shot. So what happens that footage

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Speaker 3: that you don't show on TVs? It lay around?

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Speaker 1: Or does it?

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Speaker 3: Does it get pilfered? Certainly all of that maybe not,

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Speaker 3: Probably none of it does. But it's always that suspicion

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Speaker 3: like you're trusting somebody with your playbook.

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Speaker 4: Yeah right, it's tricky.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, And plus you got guys that are trying to

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Speaker 3: make a team and you're kind of getting in the

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Speaker 3: way of their group. It just seems hugely distractive to me,

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Speaker 3: hugely distracted, but it is compelling viewing, no question about it.

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Speaker 2: Time to pitch our topic of the day out to

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Speaker 2: you if you didn't catch it on Twitter and respond

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Speaker 2: on the tweet sheeet.

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Speaker 4: You can do that at one Bill's Live.

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Speaker 2: Question here though, is as mini camp comes to a close,

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Speaker 2: is there anything you're still wondering about with the Bills

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Speaker 2: heading into training camp? You let us know aight oh

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Speaker 2: three oh five point fifty one eight eight eight five

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Speaker 2: fifty two five fifty some of that's on your mind

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Speaker 2: that you're still openly wondering about that, You know, maybe

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Speaker 2: it's rolling around in your head and you're eager to

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Speaker 2: see an answer to it. Could be anything, roster scheme,

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Speaker 2: progress of a particular player, whatever it is, you tell

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Speaker 2: us what and why and uh, let's uh, let's jump

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Speaker 2: on the phones here right away at eight o three

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Speaker 2: oh five fifty open line for you there one eight

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Speaker 2: eight eight five fifty two five fifty.

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Speaker 4: We go to Tom in cheek Towaga. First, what do

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Speaker 4: you got for us? Tom?

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Speaker 7: Hi, gentlemen, thank you very much for taking my call. Sure,

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Speaker 7: i'd uh First off, Steve, I just want to tell

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Speaker 7: you a huge fan of Ears, you belong in the

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Speaker 7: Hall of Fame, and I'd be remiss to say it.

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Speaker 7: Today's actually seven years since my dad passed. He was

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Speaker 7: a huge fan, and I know he'd want me to

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Speaker 7: say that you belong in the Hall of Fame and

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Speaker 7: you're an absolute rockstar.

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Speaker 8: Man.

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Speaker 7: My question for you guys is now, Spencer Brown last year,

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Speaker 7: I know a lot of people are like he underperformed.

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Speaker 7: I think a lot of people were saying that. I mean,

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Speaker 7: I think he's still young and has his best football

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Speaker 7: ahead of him. But do you think the bringing in

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Speaker 7: of McGovern and Shechell was more of a depth move

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Speaker 7: or I mean, obviously it's to make competition and training

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Speaker 7: camp and things. But do you think it's maybe to

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Speaker 7: replace him and maybe let him sit back and got

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Speaker 7: a year maybe watching a more veteran guy do the job.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, good question there, Tom. Thanks for the call. McGovern's

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Speaker 2: starting at left guard. I think that's going to happen.

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Speaker 2: I think he's going to be the starter there. He

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Speaker 2: is the largest free agent investment that this team made

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Speaker 2: in the offseason in terms of total dollars. So it's

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Speaker 2: my it's my belief. You don't make that kind of

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Speaker 2: an investment for someone who's going to be a depth player.

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Speaker 2: So just by the financial investment in Connor McGovern, who,

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Speaker 2: by the way, is a proven starter in Dallas, I'd

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Speaker 2: be stunned if he's not one of the starting five.

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Speaker 2: That's number one. You mentioned Brandon Shell signed in here late,

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Speaker 2: you know.

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Speaker 4: In June.

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Speaker 2: But this is another guy who's got a proven track

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Speaker 2: record as a starter. I mean, the guy's been in

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Speaker 2: the league since twenty sixteen, he's been a starter since

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Speaker 2: twenty seventeen.

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Speaker 4: He's a seven year starter.

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Speaker 2: The guy's got seventy two starts in his career, most

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Speaker 2: of them at right tackle Your darn Righty's competition for

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Speaker 2: Spencer Brown. Now, I'll also say this, Aaron Kromer loves

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Speaker 2: Spencer Brown, loves that guy, and I think a lot

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Speaker 2: of things have been thrown in front of Spencer Brown

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Speaker 2: as hurdles. You know, the guy gets drafted in twenty

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Speaker 2: twenty one, doesn't have a real training camp because you know,

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Speaker 2: we're still operating under COVID rules, so he's navigating all

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Speaker 2: of that. And then we know last year, coming into

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Speaker 2: year two, he had off season back surgery. Basically missed

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Speaker 2: all of training camp, so now he's playing ketchup for

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Speaker 2: much of the first half of the season. And then,

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Speaker 2: as Steve has pointed out from time to time, he

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Speaker 2: had a high ankle sprain. And you try kick sliding

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Speaker 2: with a high ankle sprain and pass protection.

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Speaker 1: That's not fun.

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Speaker 2: So I think they're overall, I think they're encouraged that

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Speaker 2: going into a season healthy third year, that Spencer Brown

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Speaker 2: will blossom this season and prove that he deserves to

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Speaker 2: be the starting right tackle.

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Speaker 4: If he falls short, though, there's somebody there that's more

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Speaker 4: than capable of taking the job.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Brownie and I talked before they signed Brandon Shell.

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Speaker 3: It was a very only of late in the last

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Speaker 3: couple of weeks if they signed Brandon Shell, and up

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Speaker 3: until that point they hadn't done anything at the tackle position.

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Speaker 3: They did sign re signed Kessenberry, and you know, they

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Speaker 3: had Baits already here, they had Vandermark was here, and

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Speaker 3: also Alec Anderson was already here, but they didn't sign

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Speaker 3: anybody with any starting not of Brandon Shell's you know, caliber,

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Speaker 3: So we thought, and I think rightfully, so I think

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Speaker 3: it's still there. I think they have a lot more

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Speaker 3: faith in Spencer Brown than the general public did. I

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Speaker 3: don't know that everybody knew that Brown was struggling physically

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Speaker 3: during the season, but he was, and I think the

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Speaker 3: club appreciated his gutsiness of plowing through those injuries and

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Speaker 3: playing even though he's playing some inconsistent football. He was

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Speaker 3: gutting it out and playing for him and going hard.

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Speaker 3: He was he had the best ability of all. He

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Speaker 3: was available. He had availability, So I think for us,

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Speaker 3: the fact that they waited so long to sign competition

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Speaker 3: for him says I think that they had a little

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Speaker 3: more faith than the rest.

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Speaker 1: Of us did.

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Speaker 3: But I'm with you, they did a ton this offensive line.

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Speaker 3: I they always grab some guys, but man oh man,

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Speaker 3: it's hard to I think they put more effort and

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Speaker 3: assets into the offensive line this offseason and got a

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Speaker 3: hold of Not that you know that they didn't try before,

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Speaker 3: but they signed guys with that are younger, bigger, more athletic,

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Speaker 3: and have a bigger upside than guys they've signed in

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Speaker 3: the past. Osiris Torreans is just the tip of the iceberg.

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Speaker 6: For that.

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Speaker 2: We have to take a break here, but more of

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Speaker 2: your phone calls when we come back. So if you're

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Speaker 2: holding at eight oh three oh five fifty. We'll get

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Speaker 2: to you when we return here on One Bill's Live, presented.

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Speaker 4: By it Collida Health.

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Speaker 9: It's Buffalo Bill's Radio.

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Speaker 4: All right, here we are on one Bill's Live.

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Speaker 2: Got to get right back to the phones where we

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Speaker 2: are asking you today? Is there anything you're still wondering

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Speaker 2: about with the Bills heading into training camp? Now that

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Speaker 2: mini camp has been put to bed and the spring

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Speaker 2: off season program is done and over with.

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Speaker 4: To the phones we go into Sydney out in LA.

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Speaker 4: What do you got for Sydney?

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Speaker 10: Hey, guts, thanks for having me. I really appreciate it,

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Speaker 10: love the show.

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Speaker 4: Thanks.

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Speaker 10: I guess of anything, I would just say just a

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Speaker 10: tiny bit and I'll leave it at this is the

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Speaker 10: Digs thing and I really want to bury it. But

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Speaker 10: yesterday someone called in, a lot of people called in

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Speaker 10: and just kind of voice their opinion about everything, and

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Speaker 10: rightfully so. And then Steve you kind of came in

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Speaker 10: in kind of a big defense of stuff on which

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Speaker 10: you know, all respect to that point. I think what

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Speaker 10: really people were upset about, as Damian Woodie also pointed out, well,

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Speaker 10: was the timing. It was just like why, now you

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Speaker 10: know kind of like Steve, if you know, you showed

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Speaker 10: up to work today and Chris wasn't there because of

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Speaker 10: a beef he had with you last week that he

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Speaker 10: could have called you, you know, over the weekend and said, hey, man,

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Speaker 10: what's up with this? Why didn't you you know what

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Speaker 10: I mean? And then it's just like, why did he

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Speaker 10: wait until the first day to you know, bring this up?

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Speaker 10: That was my only point. I just curious the what

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Speaker 10: you guys thought. Thank you for having me.

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Speaker 1: It's good call sitting. And you're right.

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Speaker 3: I did kind of go off a little bit yesterday,

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Speaker 3: said we're When you do that around here, you kind

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Speaker 3: of be you know, people give people listening to talk

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Speaker 3: to you about. So I've been talked to about that,

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Speaker 3: not by the higher everyone, but all my coworkers.

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Speaker 1: So you're right. It didn't go perfect this week with

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Speaker 1: the Steph Diggs thing. It didn't go perfect.

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Speaker 3: He could have handled it better, I think, and certainly

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Speaker 3: I you know, when Sean said he was very concerned

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Speaker 3: and then didn't elaborate, then it left us all twisting

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Speaker 3: in the wind figure and trying to figure out what

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Speaker 3: he meant. And then he kind of came back and

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Speaker 3: all of a sudden, it was like, oh, he excused you.

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Speaker 1: I get it.

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Speaker 3: Steph coming in and waiting till now to do it.

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Speaker 3: I get that too. From I think from the outside

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Speaker 3: looking in, maybe you're right, maybe he should have done

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Speaker 3: it like in February, March, April, or whenever it was.

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Speaker 3: Other than this did not to get in the way

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Speaker 3: of a team thing. But to be very honest, this

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Speaker 3: wasn't a distraction for the guys and the coaches on

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Speaker 3: the field while they're practicing at mini camp. It was

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Speaker 3: a distraction for all of us. This is how things

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Speaker 3: go in the NFL. You do it when you're all

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Speaker 3: together so you can all take part in it. You

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Speaker 3: don't want Steph coming in in April by himself for

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Speaker 3: a couple of days, and then Sean will say, okay,

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Speaker 3: I'll call Josh and tell him, or you called Josh

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Speaker 3: and tell him. It's better when you're all gonna be

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Speaker 3: there together at the same time, and if you have issues,

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Speaker 3: hash it out together while you're all there and throw

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Speaker 3: it into the agenda for the week.

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Speaker 1: I get it that.

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Speaker 3: It seems like it throws a wrench into a smooth

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Speaker 3: operation of the bill have got going here, But in actuality.

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Speaker 3: It's like I said yesterday, they build this culture to

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Speaker 3: handle stuff, not to prevent stuff like this from happening,

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Speaker 3: but to be able to handle it when it does happen.

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Speaker 3: And that's what the way this went down this week.

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Speaker 3: You're right though, Sydney wasn't a perfect way for this

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Speaker 3: to happen. But I'll say this, I was thinking about

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Speaker 3: this today. You know, I was on in nineteen eighty nine.

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Speaker 3: We were the bickering Bills, and I'll say this, there's

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Speaker 3: when I look back at it now, there's no doubt

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Speaker 3: about it.

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Speaker 1: That team was growing fast.

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Speaker 3: And it was painful. It was painful. It's a it

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Speaker 3: when you want to take another step, you're gonna have

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Speaker 3: to change and do something different and sometimes it hurts.

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Speaker 3: And I on a best case scenario, this might This

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Speaker 3: is what it takes to take another step.

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Speaker 1: You got to go through some stuff where you're.

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Speaker 3: Gonna say, hey, listen, we got to you know, guy's

660
00:34:55,880 --> 00:34:58,840
Speaker 3: got a squawk and there's gonna be some pain and

661
00:34:58,840 --> 00:35:01,000
Speaker 3: you're gonna have to say good to some player.

662
00:35:01,080 --> 00:35:02,480
Speaker 1: We did that in nineteen eighty nine.

663
00:35:02,480 --> 00:35:05,600
Speaker 3: The next year, some of our older leadership on that

664
00:35:05,640 --> 00:35:10,400
Speaker 3: team was let go so that the young, good, great

665
00:35:10,440 --> 00:35:13,120
Speaker 3: players to be could make it their team.

666
00:35:14,080 --> 00:35:15,879
Speaker 1: And I'm not saying this.

667
00:35:15,800 --> 00:35:17,759
Speaker 3: Has anything to do with the leadership or who you know,

668
00:35:17,840 --> 00:35:19,920
Speaker 3: letting guys go or cutting them, but those of the

669
00:35:20,000 --> 00:35:22,839
Speaker 3: kind of pain we're talking about in the strife and

670
00:35:23,080 --> 00:35:26,800
Speaker 3: arguments and disagreements is part of the process it takes

671
00:35:26,800 --> 00:35:30,960
Speaker 3: to get better and grow. And while this didn't seem

672
00:35:31,000 --> 00:35:33,239
Speaker 3: perfect from our end of it, you know, outside the

673
00:35:33,239 --> 00:35:35,240
Speaker 3: locker room and looking in at it from the fishbowl

674
00:35:35,320 --> 00:35:38,640
Speaker 3: these guys live live in, I think it was far

675
00:35:38,719 --> 00:35:40,520
Speaker 3: more normal than maybe we give it credit for.

676
00:35:40,960 --> 00:35:47,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, I would say timing could have been better, agreed, Sydney.

677
00:35:47,520 --> 00:35:52,359
Speaker 2: But a lot of times, hard conversations and painful conversations,

678
00:35:52,400 --> 00:35:56,520
Speaker 2: as Steve alluded to, are never perfect. And the fact

679
00:35:56,600 --> 00:36:01,640
Speaker 2: that this wasn't and yet they still came through it

680
00:36:02,239 --> 00:36:05,480
Speaker 2: and found a resolution I think speaks even more to

681
00:36:05,560 --> 00:36:06,680
Speaker 2: the strength of the culture here.

682
00:36:06,680 --> 00:36:07,560
Speaker 4: When you think about.

683
00:36:07,360 --> 00:36:09,800
Speaker 3: It, and I'll say this too, you have those hard conversations,

684
00:36:09,800 --> 00:36:13,280
Speaker 3: that's when you can really I mean, there is no filter.

685
00:36:13,760 --> 00:36:13,960
Speaker 1: You know.

686
00:36:14,360 --> 00:36:16,360
Speaker 3: I'm not saying these guys were in They're screaming and jumping,

687
00:36:16,560 --> 00:36:18,680
Speaker 3: pounded on the desk and you know, got into a

688
00:36:18,680 --> 00:36:21,399
Speaker 3: shoving match, you like, nothing like that. I'm just saying,

689
00:36:21,440 --> 00:36:23,640
Speaker 3: when you when you have hard conversations, it's when you

690
00:36:23,840 --> 00:36:26,839
Speaker 3: can finally be the most honest and if you're going

691
00:36:26,920 --> 00:36:31,480
Speaker 3: to grow in a relationship, it takes conversations like that. Yeah,

692
00:36:31,480 --> 00:36:33,719
Speaker 3: and so that's that's kind of my point. You're right,

693
00:36:33,800 --> 00:36:34,160
Speaker 3: it wasn't.

694
00:36:34,200 --> 00:36:34,959
Speaker 1: I didn't. It didn't.

695
00:36:35,200 --> 00:36:38,000
Speaker 3: Wasn't perfect at all. Maybe the timing of it, maybe

696
00:36:38,000 --> 00:36:41,120
Speaker 3: how either side handled it. But I think too, by

697
00:36:41,120 --> 00:36:43,399
Speaker 3: the evidence yesterday and what we've heard and what Sean said,

698
00:36:44,120 --> 00:36:44,920
Speaker 3: they got through it.

699
00:36:45,200 --> 00:36:45,439
Speaker 1: Yep.

700
00:36:46,360 --> 00:36:47,880
Speaker 4: Let's go back to the phones and to Mark and

701
00:36:47,920 --> 00:36:49,040
Speaker 4: West Seneca. What do you got first?

702
00:36:49,080 --> 00:36:53,000
Speaker 11: Mark, Hey, Brownie, how Steve? I got a question that

703
00:36:53,480 --> 00:36:55,720
Speaker 11: I was wondering if you guys think is this crazy?

704
00:36:55,800 --> 00:36:58,040
Speaker 11: And then I like to make a real quick comment

705
00:36:58,080 --> 00:37:02,440
Speaker 11: about the stuff thing. Okay, My question is this on

706
00:37:02,560 --> 00:37:06,000
Speaker 11: the surface, physically, do you think the Bills would ever

707
00:37:06,160 --> 00:37:11,959
Speaker 11: entertain starting to groom o cyrus tyrants or torrents as

708
00:37:12,040 --> 00:37:16,400
Speaker 11: the next center on? You know, physically, to me, that

709
00:37:16,560 --> 00:37:19,560
Speaker 11: huge body in the middle, his ability to anchor into

710
00:37:19,600 --> 00:37:23,719
Speaker 11: the ground, and then with the ability to plug Edwards

711
00:37:24,200 --> 00:37:28,240
Speaker 11: and McGovern in that would be a formidable size wise

712
00:37:28,960 --> 00:37:32,680
Speaker 11: middle of an offensive line, and assuming that he could

713
00:37:32,719 --> 00:37:36,719
Speaker 11: slowly grasp the mental aspect of that is that And

714
00:37:36,760 --> 00:37:40,279
Speaker 11: I understand he probably has never played center, and if it,

715
00:37:40,560 --> 00:37:43,759
Speaker 11: maybe for a heartbeat he did, but I've never heard

716
00:37:43,760 --> 00:37:46,600
Speaker 11: it reported. But is that a crazy idea to think

717
00:37:46,960 --> 00:37:49,560
Speaker 11: at this level that you start to maybe move a

718
00:37:49,600 --> 00:37:54,120
Speaker 11: guy or grooming him to a new position. That's that's

719
00:37:54,160 --> 00:37:58,320
Speaker 11: my question as far as the dig thing goes, plenty

720
00:37:58,320 --> 00:38:03,359
Speaker 11: of learning aspects for both sides. For Steph, I think

721
00:38:03,400 --> 00:38:06,319
Speaker 11: he could have handled it better as far as the

722
00:38:06,360 --> 00:38:10,080
Speaker 11: timing question goes, and there's so much assumptions being made.

723
00:38:10,120 --> 00:38:13,560
Speaker 11: Still to this hour, we don't know what, if any

724
00:38:13,680 --> 00:38:19,160
Speaker 11: communications were had between January to now between Steph and

725
00:38:19,360 --> 00:38:22,520
Speaker 11: management of the bills. We have absolutely no idea. So

726
00:38:22,640 --> 00:38:26,080
Speaker 11: that's number one and number two. As far as Sean,

727
00:38:26,239 --> 00:38:29,719
Speaker 11: I respect how he keeps everything in house, but sometimes

728
00:38:29,719 --> 00:38:31,840
Speaker 11: he's a little bit too close to the vest. My

729
00:38:31,960 --> 00:38:35,560
Speaker 11: point is this what he said yesterday and letting us

730
00:38:35,560 --> 00:38:38,960
Speaker 11: to know that day actually gave him an excused absence,

731
00:38:39,040 --> 00:38:41,239
Speaker 11: and the way he phrased it, if he would have

732
00:38:41,280 --> 00:38:45,520
Speaker 11: said those words exactly what he did, yesterday on Tuesday,

733
00:38:46,120 --> 00:38:48,080
Speaker 11: ninety percent of the fire would have been put out,

734
00:38:48,600 --> 00:38:52,319
Speaker 11: So at both sides, learning aspect for both So thanks guys.

735
00:38:52,440 --> 00:38:54,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, no problem, Mark, I mean as far.

736
00:38:54,320 --> 00:38:56,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I don't think we need to rehash that

737
00:38:56,280 --> 00:38:58,160
Speaker 2: stuff we just kind of did five minutes earlier.

738
00:38:58,560 --> 00:39:01,040
Speaker 4: But I will say, with regard to Osyrus.

739
00:39:00,680 --> 00:39:04,799
Speaker 2: Torrance, I'm never gonna say never, but I don't see

740
00:39:04,800 --> 00:39:07,000
Speaker 2: it for him this year in any capacity. And the

741
00:39:07,040 --> 00:39:11,040
Speaker 2: reason why is You're you're probably putting too much on

742
00:39:11,080 --> 00:39:13,000
Speaker 2: his plate. We just talked at the top of the

743
00:39:13,000 --> 00:39:16,480
Speaker 2: show about how much rookies have to deal with outside

744
00:39:16,480 --> 00:39:18,960
Speaker 2: of football and all the stuff that goes the ancillary

745
00:39:19,000 --> 00:39:22,560
Speaker 2: stuff that goes around football. Where I'm gonna live, you know,

746
00:39:22,680 --> 00:39:24,920
Speaker 2: who's gonna how am I gonna cook meals? Who's cooking

747
00:39:24,920 --> 00:39:26,719
Speaker 2: my meals? Am I ordering meals? Am I making my

748
00:39:26,719 --> 00:39:28,080
Speaker 2: own food? Am I gonna learn how to cook?

749
00:39:28,120 --> 00:39:28,560
Speaker 4: What am I like?

750
00:39:28,600 --> 00:39:33,239
Speaker 2: It's there's a laundry list of things. So putting him

751
00:39:33,320 --> 00:39:36,000
Speaker 2: out of his comfort zone on the football field too,

752
00:39:36,680 --> 00:39:38,880
Speaker 2: I don't know if that's the best recipe for success

753
00:39:38,960 --> 00:39:39,640
Speaker 2: for him.

754
00:39:40,000 --> 00:39:41,560
Speaker 4: So I'll never say never.

755
00:39:41,680 --> 00:39:43,359
Speaker 2: Maybe two years from now they say, hey, this might

756
00:39:43,400 --> 00:39:45,319
Speaker 2: not be a bad idea, but right now for his

757
00:39:45,400 --> 00:39:47,239
Speaker 2: rookie year, no, my answer would be no.

758
00:39:47,560 --> 00:39:50,600
Speaker 3: I get your idea though, putting just the biggest body

759
00:39:50,600 --> 00:39:54,520
Speaker 3: you can down inside and and I couldn't tell you

760
00:39:54,560 --> 00:39:55,280
Speaker 3: how different.

761
00:39:55,520 --> 00:39:56,040
Speaker 1: I don't know.

762
00:39:56,560 --> 00:39:59,319
Speaker 3: I don't know how difficult it is to move from

763
00:39:59,400 --> 00:40:05,799
Speaker 3: guard down center. Certainly, the center historically is the guy

764
00:40:05,840 --> 00:40:09,160
Speaker 3: that recognizes the defense, sets the protections, and makes some

765
00:40:09,320 --> 00:40:12,960
Speaker 3: calls down inside there. If for some of you who

766
00:40:13,000 --> 00:40:15,840
Speaker 3: don't realize it, when you're down close to the field

767
00:40:15,880 --> 00:40:17,960
Speaker 3: and you're in a practice and all that, there's a

768
00:40:18,000 --> 00:40:20,799
Speaker 3: lot of yelling and screaming going on during the play.

769
00:40:20,840 --> 00:40:22,680
Speaker 3: You can't really hear it on the broadcast if you

770
00:40:22,680 --> 00:40:25,800
Speaker 3: watch it on TV, and a lot of that comes

771
00:40:25,800 --> 00:40:30,160
Speaker 3: from the big guys up front. The center call makes

772
00:40:30,320 --> 00:40:33,439
Speaker 3: calls that tell the other four guys on the line

773
00:40:33,440 --> 00:40:35,960
Speaker 3: of scrimmage and the and the tight end or whoever's

774
00:40:36,000 --> 00:40:38,920
Speaker 3: in there, this is how we're gonna block these guys

775
00:40:39,000 --> 00:40:41,120
Speaker 3: right now, here's what's gonna go. And he has these

776
00:40:41,320 --> 00:40:44,840
Speaker 3: you know, code words that lets these guys know. It

777
00:40:44,920 --> 00:40:49,839
Speaker 3: takes a lot of mental acuity to do that. If

778
00:40:49,880 --> 00:40:52,399
Speaker 3: you're not used now osire Storm has been playing guard

779
00:40:52,440 --> 00:40:54,680
Speaker 3: for as long as you can think of. He's heard

780
00:40:54,719 --> 00:40:56,600
Speaker 3: it done, seen it done, and taken part in that

781
00:40:56,680 --> 00:40:59,360
Speaker 3: a ton so he would know what would be expected

782
00:40:59,400 --> 00:41:01,719
Speaker 3: of him as a But having to do it and

783
00:41:02,200 --> 00:41:04,839
Speaker 3: make those calls and having the wherewithal to do it

784
00:41:04,880 --> 00:41:07,959
Speaker 3: and making sure that the quarterback has the football after

785
00:41:08,000 --> 00:41:14,319
Speaker 3: you're done snapping it. It sounds simple, but it's not

786
00:41:14,440 --> 00:41:18,120
Speaker 3: that easy. And I get the idea. Let's get the

787
00:41:18,160 --> 00:41:21,239
Speaker 3: biggest dudes we can find, put them down inside, and

788
00:41:21,320 --> 00:41:24,799
Speaker 3: let's go. I'm all about it. I'm all about I

789
00:41:24,840 --> 00:41:27,000
Speaker 3: love that idea, but it doesn't mean that. You know,

790
00:41:27,080 --> 00:41:29,200
Speaker 3: David Edwards couldn't be that guy, and he's just as

791
00:41:29,239 --> 00:41:31,080
Speaker 3: big and strong. You know, any one of those guys

792
00:41:31,080 --> 00:41:34,600
Speaker 3: could be a fit. But for the time being, Mitch

793
00:41:34,680 --> 00:41:37,960
Speaker 3: Morris is a really, really good center and unless he

794
00:41:37,960 --> 00:41:40,359
Speaker 3: gets heard, there's no reason to put anybody else in there.

795
00:41:41,520 --> 00:41:42,759
Speaker 4: We have to take a break here.

796
00:41:42,760 --> 00:41:44,319
Speaker 2: But if you're holding an eight oh three oh five

797
00:41:44,400 --> 00:41:46,759
Speaker 2: fifty hang type, we'll get to you. But you on

798
00:41:46,800 --> 00:41:48,839
Speaker 2: the east side, Tony and Buffalo and others holding an

799
00:41:48,840 --> 00:41:50,799
Speaker 2: ATO three oh five fifty, we're back with more phone

800
00:41:50,800 --> 00:41:53,000
Speaker 2: calls in a second here on One Bill's Live, stay tuned.

801
00:42:04,640 --> 00:42:06,840
Speaker 4: There're the phones. We go where we got people holding,

802
00:42:06,920 --> 00:42:08,640
Speaker 4: get to as many as you as we can. We

803
00:42:08,719 --> 00:42:10,480
Speaker 4: go to Butcher on the east side. Next, what do

804
00:42:10,480 --> 00:42:10,959
Speaker 4: you got butch?

805
00:42:12,360 --> 00:42:14,799
Speaker 8: Gentlemen, gentlemen, is so good to hear your voice and

806
00:42:14,960 --> 00:42:17,600
Speaker 8: talk to you again. It's been a while, been listening

807
00:42:17,640 --> 00:42:19,880
Speaker 8: from a distance, and I've been wanting to call you guys.

808
00:42:20,200 --> 00:42:21,920
Speaker 8: But I'm gonna get right into it. I got like

809
00:42:22,000 --> 00:42:24,400
Speaker 8: two folders in a small moer, but I gotta definitely

810
00:42:24,400 --> 00:42:26,600
Speaker 8: do it. I appreciate your time that you're giving me.

811
00:42:26,920 --> 00:42:29,719
Speaker 8: Number one, I'm open up this folder. I wish she

812
00:42:29,880 --> 00:42:32,360
Speaker 8: was there, but I want to just say to the

813
00:42:32,440 --> 00:42:36,560
Speaker 8: Queen of One Bills drive, Miss Maddie G. I want

814
00:42:36,600 --> 00:42:39,440
Speaker 8: to just Miss Maddie G represent it the way I

815
00:42:39,520 --> 00:42:42,719
Speaker 8: was raised by my mom and my dad about being

816
00:42:42,840 --> 00:42:46,279
Speaker 8: a master of ceremonies or being when you speak to

817
00:42:46,320 --> 00:42:49,520
Speaker 8: people or speak at different functions of different organizations. I

818
00:42:49,640 --> 00:42:53,719
Speaker 8: watched Miss Mattie G go to the groundbreaking announcement of

819
00:42:53,760 --> 00:42:57,640
Speaker 8: the new stadium and the master of ceremonies of that event,

820
00:42:58,200 --> 00:43:02,200
Speaker 8: and I just want to say applaud and sink congratulations

821
00:43:02,200 --> 00:43:06,919
Speaker 8: to all her educational institutions actually put to actually put

822
00:43:07,000 --> 00:43:10,319
Speaker 8: jewels in her in her mind and her parents and

823
00:43:10,360 --> 00:43:14,160
Speaker 8: their grandparents, anybody affiliated with her, plus herself when she's

824
00:43:14,160 --> 00:43:15,799
Speaker 8: in the bathroom looking at the man to give him

825
00:43:15,800 --> 00:43:18,239
Speaker 8: the confidence to be who she is. She did job,

826
00:43:19,560 --> 00:43:21,680
Speaker 8: she did out standing that she represented the fan base

827
00:43:21,719 --> 00:43:23,239
Speaker 8: that I want to applaud her for that. Thank you

828
00:43:23,280 --> 00:43:25,680
Speaker 8: so much, Ms. Maddi Gee. Second photo I want to

829
00:43:25,680 --> 00:43:29,160
Speaker 8: get to it right away, is the Stefan Digg situation.

830
00:43:29,640 --> 00:43:31,839
Speaker 8: Years ago when Stephan first came to Buffalore. I met

831
00:43:31,840 --> 00:43:34,520
Speaker 8: Stephan a the eatetery and uh, you know, he was,

832
00:43:34,640 --> 00:43:36,560
Speaker 8: you know, just talking. I shook his hand and told

833
00:43:36,600 --> 00:43:39,280
Speaker 8: welcome the Buffalo, YadA ya, and he was actually questions

834
00:43:39,320 --> 00:43:41,840
Speaker 8: about the city in different areas and different places they'll go,

835
00:43:42,000 --> 00:43:45,560
Speaker 8: and such things as that nature. And he just then

836
00:43:45,640 --> 00:43:47,880
Speaker 8: he spoke about what Steve and those guys about the

837
00:43:47,920 --> 00:43:50,040
Speaker 8: four Super Bowls and I told him, listen, we could

838
00:43:50,080 --> 00:43:52,000
Speaker 8: have went the six. And he said, what do you mean.

839
00:43:52,239 --> 00:43:54,000
Speaker 8: I said, we could have went to Cleveland with Ronnie

840
00:43:54,000 --> 00:43:55,640
Speaker 8: Herron the ball with up his hands. You've lost a

841
00:43:55,719 --> 00:43:59,319
Speaker 8: eighty eight to Cincinnati at the AFC Championship and we

842
00:43:59,360 --> 00:44:02,040
Speaker 8: went furth straight after. People forget that, but I said

843
00:44:02,080 --> 00:44:04,960
Speaker 8: at the same time, he said, well, I'm determined to

844
00:44:05,040 --> 00:44:08,399
Speaker 8: bring those and revenge those situations. And I appreciated that.

845
00:44:08,600 --> 00:44:11,200
Speaker 8: This is years ago now when he went off, when

846
00:44:11,239 --> 00:44:14,759
Speaker 8: he did a the other day, I knew that was

847
00:44:14,760 --> 00:44:16,680
Speaker 8: how I was just waiting to afford to get done.

848
00:44:16,719 --> 00:44:19,560
Speaker 8: I saw it last year. It's at today game. This

849
00:44:19,640 --> 00:44:23,960
Speaker 8: is what it really is about. Per se. He's he

850
00:44:24,120 --> 00:44:28,160
Speaker 8: worked so hard, just like Vaughn. And Josh said on

851
00:44:28,320 --> 00:44:32,280
Speaker 8: his craft that he's not playing just to make Buffalo

852
00:44:32,440 --> 00:44:36,160
Speaker 8: relevant again. He's not playing just so we're back on

853
00:44:36,160 --> 00:44:38,320
Speaker 8: the map and getting Monday nine and Thursday night games

854
00:44:38,360 --> 00:44:41,160
Speaker 8: to get accolades from around the world. He wants to

855
00:44:41,160 --> 00:44:43,840
Speaker 8: bring those things that Steve and those guys were shooting

856
00:44:43,880 --> 00:44:47,879
Speaker 8: for back to Buffalo. And when during the second half

857
00:44:47,880 --> 00:44:49,880
Speaker 8: of the season, this is when it all began. I

858
00:44:49,880 --> 00:44:53,200
Speaker 8: saw that a fortune giving out toys when they're written.

859
00:44:53,200 --> 00:44:57,160
Speaker 8: When the route changed, when everybody criticized Josh Allen about

860
00:44:57,200 --> 00:45:01,120
Speaker 8: foreign interceptions and Ken Dorsey the head and change the

861
00:45:01,280 --> 00:45:03,799
Speaker 8: routes so they throw more to an outside so Josh

862
00:45:03,800 --> 00:45:07,759
Speaker 8: so and threw down the middle now saying that we

863
00:45:07,880 --> 00:45:10,640
Speaker 8: need players just like you said, Stevens. Even though see

864
00:45:10,760 --> 00:45:14,840
Speaker 8: you might, I'm gonna say apologize what you said yesterday.

865
00:45:15,040 --> 00:45:17,440
Speaker 8: I don't don't. I didn't take it that way. I

866
00:45:17,480 --> 00:45:19,239
Speaker 8: told you that you decended what you had to say,

867
00:45:19,400 --> 00:45:21,640
Speaker 8: You meant what you had to say, and the caller

868
00:45:22,040 --> 00:45:24,399
Speaker 8: is not in the business of what you guys do.

869
00:45:24,760 --> 00:45:27,239
Speaker 8: Really don't know, like you said the Vickery bills or

870
00:45:27,320 --> 00:45:30,440
Speaker 8: people don't really understand when the Big Ring Bills happened

871
00:45:30,440 --> 00:45:32,240
Speaker 8: and the Buffalo Loos blew it out of a portion,

872
00:45:32,680 --> 00:45:35,279
Speaker 8: that team came together and they got more. They got

873
00:45:35,320 --> 00:45:37,560
Speaker 8: like a solid fist and they punched the walls and

874
00:45:37,600 --> 00:45:40,040
Speaker 8: they went back to the Super Bowl. Now you got

875
00:45:40,040 --> 00:45:42,279
Speaker 8: a guy here to say that I'm not working hard

876
00:45:42,560 --> 00:45:46,080
Speaker 8: coach or Brandon, And I love you guys, Brandon coach,

877
00:45:46,360 --> 00:45:48,839
Speaker 8: but I didn't work it hard all season just to

878
00:45:48,880 --> 00:45:51,759
Speaker 8: come here just to say, well, we went thirteen to three,

879
00:45:52,080 --> 00:45:54,400
Speaker 8: we want a division. I come here to win the

880
00:45:54,480 --> 00:45:57,520
Speaker 8: chick thirteen. Tucker is the best White that kid when

881
00:45:57,520 --> 00:46:00,040
Speaker 8: the Kansas Cities beat us and he stood on the

882
00:46:00,040 --> 00:46:01,640
Speaker 8: field with the coach and to walk out there and

883
00:46:01,960 --> 00:46:06,120
Speaker 8: bringing back is because that's what he wants now. The

884
00:46:06,239 --> 00:46:10,480
Speaker 8: last thing but that less is that I appreciate, uh,

885
00:46:10,560 --> 00:46:13,000
Speaker 8: the way this team is being built. Your question is

886
00:46:13,040 --> 00:46:15,719
Speaker 8: what can we do with what I'm expecting better. I'm

887
00:46:15,760 --> 00:46:19,879
Speaker 8: expecting that same scenario what I'm speaking about of how

888
00:46:20,080 --> 00:46:22,720
Speaker 8: kindors she will allow Josh handlers, don't try to handle

889
00:46:22,840 --> 00:46:25,640
Speaker 8: him and let him be who he is, that receiving

890
00:46:25,719 --> 00:46:28,239
Speaker 8: courted that Steve played for, and that the rest of them.

891
00:46:28,520 --> 00:46:30,200
Speaker 8: I think we're gonna be deep. I'm gonna watch the

892
00:46:30,280 --> 00:46:32,399
Speaker 8: cuts that and watch the trades, like you guys said

893
00:46:32,719 --> 00:46:36,319
Speaker 8: during the season, maybe with the Giants predominantly, but I'm

894
00:46:36,320 --> 00:46:38,520
Speaker 8: looking forward to the season. But again, thank you so

895
00:46:38,600 --> 00:46:41,080
Speaker 8: much for your time. It's good to hear you guys voices.

896
00:46:41,120 --> 00:46:41,319
Speaker 6: Again.

897
00:46:41,320 --> 00:46:43,600
Speaker 8: I love you guys, and please send Maddy g the

898
00:46:43,640 --> 00:46:46,759
Speaker 8: Queen the one that world one Bill's live h what

899
00:46:46,880 --> 00:46:48,840
Speaker 8: I said, and tell her thank you so much on

900
00:46:48,920 --> 00:46:49,880
Speaker 8: behalf of my family.

901
00:46:49,960 --> 00:46:54,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, we agree with you. She's great. To worry.

902
00:46:54,640 --> 00:46:56,719
Speaker 4: I told her, I told her right after he did great.

903
00:46:56,800 --> 00:46:59,160
Speaker 3: She did, she did great. And thanks for noticing Butcher

904
00:46:59,160 --> 00:46:59,800
Speaker 3: and saying something.

905
00:47:00,280 --> 00:47:03,000
Speaker 2: But I mean as far as Steph, I mean, I

906
00:47:03,040 --> 00:47:05,480
Speaker 2: think he's preaching to the choir though, this whole thing

907
00:47:05,520 --> 00:47:09,640
Speaker 2: about him having this burning passion to win. He's preaching

908
00:47:09,680 --> 00:47:14,480
Speaker 2: to the choir. Sean McDermott is obsessed with it, like

909
00:47:15,040 --> 00:47:18,839
Speaker 2: this guy lives it every single minute of every single day.

910
00:47:19,560 --> 00:47:24,000
Speaker 2: He plans everything. He's methodical, he's meticulous, and it's all

911
00:47:24,120 --> 00:47:26,800
Speaker 2: about the team and putting it in the best position

912
00:47:26,920 --> 00:47:29,759
Speaker 2: to succeed and win. And so I think when you

913
00:47:29,840 --> 00:47:33,680
Speaker 2: have those hard conversations that those people had him, Josh Coach,

914
00:47:33,719 --> 00:47:38,480
Speaker 2: whoever else was involved, I think there's a better understanding of, Oh,

915
00:47:38,520 --> 00:47:40,040
Speaker 2: he wants to win just as bad as I do.

916
00:47:40,760 --> 00:47:44,000
Speaker 2: I mean, Sean McDermott did something here that in all

917
00:47:44,040 --> 00:47:45,640
Speaker 2: the coaches that I've covered here in the twenty plus

918
00:47:45,760 --> 00:47:47,160
Speaker 2: years of covering this team, I had never.

919
00:47:47,040 --> 00:47:47,800
Speaker 4: Heard of before.

920
00:47:48,120 --> 00:47:51,560
Speaker 2: At the end of a season, coaches and exit interviews

921
00:47:51,600 --> 00:47:54,239
Speaker 2: tell players what they can do to make themselves better

922
00:47:54,239 --> 00:47:56,720
Speaker 2: for the next season. They'll give him a list based

923
00:47:56,719 --> 00:48:00,680
Speaker 2: on film, study, daily work, habits, whatever it is. The

924
00:48:00,719 --> 00:48:04,960
Speaker 2: second season. After the second season in twenty eighteen, Sean

925
00:48:05,080 --> 00:48:09,680
Speaker 2: McDermott brought that to his players and asked them to

926
00:48:09,760 --> 00:48:13,200
Speaker 2: tell him and his coaching staff how they could do better.

927
00:48:14,000 --> 00:48:14,440
Speaker 12: It was a.

928
00:48:14,400 --> 00:48:15,640
Speaker 4: Complete role reversal.

929
00:48:15,719 --> 00:48:18,920
Speaker 2: I've never heard of it before, especially at the professional level,

930
00:48:19,800 --> 00:48:23,080
Speaker 2: but I think it just demonstrates the lengths that coach

931
00:48:23,120 --> 00:48:26,600
Speaker 2: McDermott is willing. He's opening himself up to vulnerability to

932
00:48:26,680 --> 00:48:30,160
Speaker 2: his own players and say, you tell me how I

933
00:48:30,200 --> 00:48:33,280
Speaker 2: can help you be better on the field. That's how

934
00:48:34,320 --> 00:48:37,719
Speaker 2: far McDermott and his staff are willing to go to

935
00:48:37,719 --> 00:48:40,120
Speaker 2: make this team better. And I don't think it gets

936
00:48:40,200 --> 00:48:46,200
Speaker 2: enough credit anywhere, but I wouldn't be surprised if Steph

937
00:48:46,280 --> 00:48:49,240
Speaker 2: Day comes in here thinking I have the biggest burning

938
00:48:49,280 --> 00:48:52,440
Speaker 2: passion to win of anybody in this building and found out, oh,

939
00:48:52,480 --> 00:48:54,239
Speaker 2: you know what, there's other people that care just as

940
00:48:54,320 --> 00:48:54,960
Speaker 2: much as I do.

941
00:48:55,640 --> 00:48:59,319
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I think too that, you know, hard conversations

942
00:48:59,320 --> 00:49:02,280
Speaker 3: are just that they are hard because they're completely honest.

943
00:49:02,360 --> 00:49:05,960
Speaker 3: And I think their ability and willingness to do that

944
00:49:06,880 --> 00:49:09,000
Speaker 3: speaks a lot about the culture and that and I'll

945
00:49:09,000 --> 00:49:11,520
Speaker 3: say it again, the culture isn't built to prevent problems

946
00:49:11,520 --> 00:49:13,760
Speaker 3: like this. It's built to embrace them and overcome them together.

947
00:49:14,160 --> 00:49:15,080
Speaker 3: And that's what they did.

948
00:49:16,520 --> 00:49:17,600
Speaker 1: Yeah. Did it go perfect?

949
00:49:17,719 --> 00:49:17,759
Speaker 13: No?

950
00:49:18,280 --> 00:49:20,400
Speaker 3: But it didn't go perfect because why because none of

951
00:49:20,480 --> 00:49:22,200
Speaker 3: us knew what was going on. We weren't allowed to

952
00:49:22,239 --> 00:49:26,360
Speaker 3: be in on it. They don't need us to be

953
00:49:26,440 --> 00:49:28,919
Speaker 3: in that conversation. They can handle it. Then they did,

954
00:49:29,360 --> 00:49:32,239
Speaker 3: and there is probably won't be the last time. I

955
00:49:32,320 --> 00:49:34,319
Speaker 3: hate to say it like that, you know, except but

956
00:49:34,800 --> 00:49:38,440
Speaker 3: these conversations are going to be ongoing because I think

957
00:49:41,719 --> 00:49:45,120
Speaker 3: in much regard to like they were in twenty seventeen, eighteen,

958
00:49:45,560 --> 00:49:49,920
Speaker 3: and nineteen, I think this team has taking another step

959
00:49:49,920 --> 00:49:53,440
Speaker 3: of growth. We like Brownie and I love this roster

960
00:49:53,680 --> 00:49:56,600
Speaker 3: more than we've talked. We talked about this roster in

961
00:49:56,719 --> 00:49:59,560
Speaker 3: more glowing words than we have any other roster that

962
00:49:59,600 --> 00:50:03,640
Speaker 3: they've had. And I think they're growing. And I think

963
00:50:03,680 --> 00:50:05,880
Speaker 3: that comes with its sheriff pain.

964
00:50:05,960 --> 00:50:08,640
Speaker 4: And hardships and playoff disappointment.

965
00:50:08,080 --> 00:50:10,960
Speaker 3: Right, And I think this conversation this week is just

966
00:50:11,120 --> 00:50:13,920
Speaker 3: one of those aspects that that's going to be painful

967
00:50:13,920 --> 00:50:15,399
Speaker 3: for the team to go through. We may not find

968
00:50:15,440 --> 00:50:17,200
Speaker 3: out about all of it or how it's gonna work.

969
00:50:18,280 --> 00:50:21,319
Speaker 3: There may be some guys on the team that all

970
00:50:21,320 --> 00:50:23,200
Speaker 3: of us love and respect that may not be here.

971
00:50:23,440 --> 00:50:25,319
Speaker 3: There may be coaches that won't be here. There may

972
00:50:25,360 --> 00:50:29,040
Speaker 3: be all of that stuff. It's painful to grow, and

973
00:50:29,120 --> 00:50:30,680
Speaker 3: I think this is part of.

974
00:50:30,600 --> 00:50:33,120
Speaker 4: That break time for us here.

975
00:50:33,280 --> 00:50:35,279
Speaker 2: When we come back for Hour number two, we will

976
00:50:35,320 --> 00:50:37,880
Speaker 2: get to your phone calls, but not before we welcome

977
00:50:37,880 --> 00:50:40,400
Speaker 2: in NFL analyst and friend of the show, Mike Gardi.

978
00:50:40,680 --> 00:50:42,719
Speaker 2: He's got us here to the ground on the AFC East,

979
00:50:42,800 --> 00:50:43,879
Speaker 2: including what's going on.

980
00:50:43,920 --> 00:50:46,400
Speaker 4: Up there with d hop on his visit to New England.

981
00:50:46,440 --> 00:50:48,640
Speaker 2: Today we'll find out what's going on next here on

982
00:50:48,719 --> 00:50:50,680
Speaker 2: One Bill's Live, presented by a lot of health. It's

983
00:50:50,719 --> 00:51:24,520
Speaker 2: Buffalo Bills Radio.

984
00:51:25,360 --> 00:51:30,240
Speaker 3: This the One Bill's Live presented by Calida helth.

985
00:51:30,640 --> 00:51:32,759
Speaker 2: All Right, Hour number two on a Thursday, Chris Brown,

986
00:51:32,800 --> 00:51:35,719
Speaker 2: Steve's tasker with you and happy to be joined now

987
00:51:35,960 --> 00:51:39,600
Speaker 2: by NFL anast Mike Gardy, friend of the show and

988
00:51:39,640 --> 00:51:41,200
Speaker 2: a man with his ear to the ground on the

989
00:51:41,239 --> 00:51:42,160
Speaker 2: AFC East.

990
00:51:42,239 --> 00:51:43,960
Speaker 4: Mike, how you doing joining your summer.

991
00:51:44,960 --> 00:51:46,560
Speaker 12: Good to see you guys, Good to talk to you.

992
00:51:47,200 --> 00:51:48,520
Speaker 12: Rather eventful week.

993
00:51:48,560 --> 00:51:50,520
Speaker 4: Huh yeah, just a little bit.

994
00:51:51,239 --> 00:51:53,399
Speaker 3: Give us your idea, I mean, what have you what's

995
00:51:53,440 --> 00:51:55,560
Speaker 3: your take on what has happened here and how they

996
00:51:55,560 --> 00:51:58,040
Speaker 3: handled this little discussion?

997
00:51:59,560 --> 00:52:02,080
Speaker 12: Yeah, very interesting, right, because I felt as though there

998
00:52:02,120 --> 00:52:05,200
Speaker 12: had been a little bit of a disconnect between Steph

999
00:52:05,320 --> 00:52:10,600
Speaker 12: and whomever team offensive coordinator, head coach dating back to

1000
00:52:10,600 --> 00:52:14,040
Speaker 12: the end of last year, but figured that with all

1001
00:52:14,120 --> 00:52:16,359
Speaker 12: this time that was gone on in between, that even

1002
00:52:16,360 --> 00:52:18,920
Speaker 12: though he wasn't showing up for the OTAs not that

1003
00:52:19,000 --> 00:52:21,880
Speaker 12: big a deal. They'll be their mandatory mini camp and

1004
00:52:21,920 --> 00:52:24,120
Speaker 12: they'll be in a good place. And to have Sean

1005
00:52:24,160 --> 00:52:27,920
Speaker 12: come out and say what he said obviously send everybody

1006
00:52:28,000 --> 00:52:30,399
Speaker 12: sort of in full panic mode, like what's going on here.

1007
00:52:30,800 --> 00:52:32,800
Speaker 12: To be able to get him back on the field yesterday,

1008
00:52:32,840 --> 00:52:35,400
Speaker 12: albeit for just the individual stuff, and to see him

1009
00:52:35,400 --> 00:52:38,879
Speaker 12: interact with his teammates, I think tells you that things

1010
00:52:38,920 --> 00:52:41,480
Speaker 12: aren't a better place obviously. So whatever is going on

1011
00:52:41,560 --> 00:52:43,600
Speaker 12: there is probably something that you have to pay attention

1012
00:52:43,640 --> 00:52:47,800
Speaker 12: to going forward. But if it was dire, I don't

1013
00:52:47,800 --> 00:52:50,680
Speaker 12: think that Steph would have shown his face and put

1014
00:52:50,680 --> 00:52:51,759
Speaker 12: on the gear yesterday.

1015
00:52:52,040 --> 00:52:56,960
Speaker 2: Right, And look, we've heard and I'm gonna kind of

1016
00:52:56,960 --> 00:52:59,160
Speaker 2: switch gears on this because quite frankly, Mike, I'm a

1017
00:52:59,200 --> 00:53:01,399
Speaker 2: little tired about it, tired of it already after two

1018
00:53:01,480 --> 00:53:06,520
Speaker 2: days from one receiver to another. DeAndre Hopkins, as we know,

1019
00:53:06,680 --> 00:53:10,719
Speaker 2: is visiting New England today. He's already visited with Tennessee

1020
00:53:11,160 --> 00:53:13,480
Speaker 2: he's said he's going to take his time with this

1021
00:53:13,600 --> 00:53:14,320
Speaker 2: in terms.

1022
00:53:14,040 --> 00:53:15,120
Speaker 4: Of making a decision.

1023
00:53:15,160 --> 00:53:18,200
Speaker 2: Do you see any way that New England doesn't let

1024
00:53:18,280 --> 00:53:20,960
Speaker 2: him get out of town without a contract?

1025
00:53:22,360 --> 00:53:22,600
Speaker 6: Yeah?

1026
00:53:22,640 --> 00:53:25,000
Speaker 12: This is an interesting one, right because I don't think

1027
00:53:25,040 --> 00:53:27,880
Speaker 12: Deandres in any rush to sign with anybody at this point.

1028
00:53:28,600 --> 00:53:31,480
Speaker 12: I think the market's been slower to develop than he thought.

1029
00:53:32,160 --> 00:53:36,600
Speaker 12: I think the Odell Beckham contract has sort of either

1030
00:53:36,640 --> 00:53:38,920
Speaker 12: slowed things down screwed things up, however you want to

1031
00:53:38,960 --> 00:53:41,600
Speaker 12: look at it, because I know the Chiefs felt like

1032
00:53:41,800 --> 00:53:44,520
Speaker 12: before the draft that when they're having conversations with Arizona

1033
00:53:44,600 --> 00:53:46,920
Speaker 12: that you know, they felt like they were close on

1034
00:53:46,960 --> 00:53:49,120
Speaker 12: some things. And then all of a sudden, you know,

1035
00:53:49,760 --> 00:53:53,480
Speaker 12: that OBJ contract sort of continues to push. And now

1036
00:53:53,680 --> 00:53:57,160
Speaker 12: the player saying, well, I play OBIJ doesn't even play.

1037
00:53:57,360 --> 00:54:00,400
Speaker 12: I've been out there every year. I've been playing double

1038
00:54:00,400 --> 00:54:03,560
Speaker 12: digit games, and Beckham's barely played the last five seasons,

1039
00:54:03,560 --> 00:54:06,120
Speaker 12: So why am I not worth the same kind of money?

1040
00:54:06,160 --> 00:54:09,799
Speaker 12: So I still think that he wants to get as

1041
00:54:09,880 --> 00:54:12,960
Speaker 12: much money as humanly possible, which is you know, putting

1042
00:54:12,960 --> 00:54:16,120
Speaker 12: teams like Kansas City, like Buffalo in a difficult spot.

1043
00:54:16,160 --> 00:54:20,520
Speaker 12: Because I'm sure there's interest, but at what cost? How

1044
00:54:20,600 --> 00:54:22,400
Speaker 12: much do you have to do to make it happen?

1045
00:54:23,440 --> 00:54:26,279
Speaker 12: And I look, if I'm DeAndre, I keep waiting. You know,

1046
00:54:26,960 --> 00:54:29,319
Speaker 12: maybe it's maybe it's training camp. Maybe somebody goes down

1047
00:54:30,200 --> 00:54:31,960
Speaker 12: in the course of training camp and all of a sudden,

1048
00:54:32,239 --> 00:54:34,839
Speaker 12: a team that thinks that they can win says, yeah,

1049
00:54:34,840 --> 00:54:36,759
Speaker 12: we wouldn't give you the bag before, but we'll give

1050
00:54:36,760 --> 00:54:37,200
Speaker 12: you it now.

1051
00:54:37,960 --> 00:54:38,120
Speaker 1: Yep.

1052
00:54:38,200 --> 00:54:40,799
Speaker 3: That would really come down to just a handful of

1053
00:54:40,840 --> 00:54:43,400
Speaker 3: teams though, And at this point those teams, particularly with

1054
00:54:43,480 --> 00:54:46,879
Speaker 3: the ones like Buffalo, Kansas City, and Cincinnati to name

1055
00:54:46,920 --> 00:54:51,600
Speaker 3: a few, and perhaps LA as well the Chargers, those

1056
00:54:51,600 --> 00:54:54,120
Speaker 3: teams have got a pretty strong roster. It's pretty set

1057
00:54:54,200 --> 00:54:57,640
Speaker 3: right now. And they're not They weren't building their roster

1058
00:54:57,760 --> 00:55:01,320
Speaker 3: to have cap space to add a guy like DeAndre Hopkins.

1059
00:55:01,320 --> 00:55:04,479
Speaker 1: They're moving on. They've already moved on before he even

1060
00:55:04,480 --> 00:55:05,440
Speaker 1: became available.

1061
00:55:05,960 --> 00:55:09,680
Speaker 3: So if a team that is thinks they can win

1062
00:55:10,880 --> 00:55:12,680
Speaker 3: and still has that cab money doesn't seem to be

1063
00:55:12,719 --> 00:55:13,960
Speaker 3: one of the teams we're talking about.

1064
00:55:15,200 --> 00:55:17,680
Speaker 12: Yeah, And I think that's the interesting part now, is

1065
00:55:17,680 --> 00:55:20,520
Speaker 12: is he has DeAndre since he became officially became a

1066
00:55:20,560 --> 00:55:23,839
Speaker 12: free agent, how many teams have reached out and does

1067
00:55:23,880 --> 00:55:26,239
Speaker 12: he think and this is where, you know, does he

1068
00:55:26,320 --> 00:55:28,880
Speaker 12: leave New England without a contract? You know, does he

1069
00:55:28,960 --> 00:55:31,239
Speaker 12: think that there's still more out there than he can

1070
00:55:31,280 --> 00:55:33,760
Speaker 12: get from San New England, or Tennessee or even Houston

1071
00:55:33,840 --> 00:55:36,600
Speaker 12: he's rumored to have met with as well. And look

1072
00:55:36,600 --> 00:55:40,040
Speaker 12: from everybody who talked to around the league, the general

1073
00:55:40,080 --> 00:55:43,040
Speaker 12: consensus has been he still wants his money, and I don't.

1074
00:55:43,280 --> 00:55:45,560
Speaker 12: I'll save this a million times. I never fault any

1075
00:55:45,640 --> 00:55:48,759
Speaker 12: player for wanting every single dollar that they can possibly get,

1076
00:55:48,800 --> 00:55:51,239
Speaker 12: because we know, you know, your career lifespan is not

1077
00:55:51,400 --> 00:55:55,320
Speaker 12: very long in the National Football League. But at this point,

1078
00:55:55,440 --> 00:55:59,080
Speaker 12: because of it being past free agency, because of dragging

1079
00:55:59,120 --> 00:56:02,080
Speaker 12: your feet on maybe some potential trades before the draft,

1080
00:56:02,239 --> 00:56:04,000
Speaker 12: now you're in a situation where you're right, the money

1081
00:56:04,040 --> 00:56:05,880
Speaker 12: has dried up in a lot of places or teams

1082
00:56:05,880 --> 00:56:08,480
Speaker 12: just said, look, this is what we are, this is

1083
00:56:08,520 --> 00:56:10,479
Speaker 12: what we're going to do going forward, and unless something

1084
00:56:10,480 --> 00:56:13,200
Speaker 12: catastrophic happens, he's not part of our plans.

1085
00:56:13,320 --> 00:56:15,320
Speaker 4: As far as the bills.

1086
00:56:15,640 --> 00:56:19,480
Speaker 2: You know, reported interest in Hopkins when this first came down,

1087
00:56:19,600 --> 00:56:22,719
Speaker 2: you know, calling about a trade option before he was

1088
00:56:22,800 --> 00:56:26,040
Speaker 2: released by Arizona and then he's out there as a

1089
00:56:26,040 --> 00:56:29,799
Speaker 2: free agent. The Bills create more cap space with the

1090
00:56:29,960 --> 00:56:32,920
Speaker 2: Ed Oliver extension and choose to spend the money on

1091
00:56:33,000 --> 00:56:36,160
Speaker 2: Leonard Floyd on a one year, seven million dollar deal.

1092
00:56:37,280 --> 00:56:40,000
Speaker 2: To me, that pretty much is the tea leaves we're

1093
00:56:40,000 --> 00:56:42,400
Speaker 2: all looking for here as it pertains to Buffalo, Right.

1094
00:56:43,480 --> 00:56:47,920
Speaker 12: Yeah, it certainly feels that way. And look, given his brothers,

1095
00:56:48,000 --> 00:56:51,399
Speaker 12: I think Sean's gonna pick defense over offense ninety nine

1096
00:56:51,440 --> 00:56:53,680
Speaker 12: out of one hundred times. But I think when you

1097
00:56:53,719 --> 00:56:57,000
Speaker 12: look at some of the past seasons and maybe if

1098
00:56:57,000 --> 00:56:58,960
Speaker 12: you want to turn them failures but not getting as

1099
00:56:58,960 --> 00:57:01,040
Speaker 12: far as they would like at times, they've just had

1100
00:57:01,040 --> 00:57:02,919
Speaker 12: a hard time getting off the field on third down,

1101
00:57:02,960 --> 00:57:06,040
Speaker 12: and adding someone like Leonard Floyd who still has plenty

1102
00:57:06,040 --> 00:57:09,920
Speaker 12: of gas in the tank to a sort of help buffer.

1103
00:57:10,320 --> 00:57:12,320
Speaker 12: If Vaughn's not ready to go for week one and

1104
00:57:12,360 --> 00:57:15,360
Speaker 12: he's saying between week one and week six is his aim?

1105
00:57:15,520 --> 00:57:18,880
Speaker 12: Allows you that and then hey, if you don't get

1106
00:57:18,880 --> 00:57:21,000
Speaker 12: the production out of Rousseau you want, or you don't

1107
00:57:21,040 --> 00:57:25,760
Speaker 12: get a leap from Apanessa or Boogie Basham, that you

1108
00:57:25,880 --> 00:57:29,320
Speaker 12: have someone in Floyd who he's been there, done it,

1109
00:57:29,360 --> 00:57:31,720
Speaker 12: He's won a Super Bowl. He's got that kind of skill.

1110
00:57:31,840 --> 00:57:34,880
Speaker 12: So I like the signing for them. I just I

1111
00:57:34,880 --> 00:57:37,200
Speaker 12: think it does speak a little bit to maybe those

1112
00:57:37,200 --> 00:57:40,040
Speaker 12: younger players that I just mentioned, not Rousseau so much

1113
00:57:40,080 --> 00:57:42,720
Speaker 12: as the other two not really developing to the point

1114
00:57:42,760 --> 00:57:45,600
Speaker 12: where you know, you can say, no, we trust these guys.

1115
00:57:45,640 --> 00:57:47,600
Speaker 12: We believe these guys can help us on third down

1116
00:57:47,960 --> 00:57:50,840
Speaker 12: in important games. Now saying this guy's just better than

1117
00:57:50,840 --> 00:57:53,160
Speaker 12: those guys right now, and with our window right now,

1118
00:57:53,760 --> 00:57:56,360
Speaker 12: let's do something like this. Let's help this maybe push

1119
00:57:56,440 --> 00:57:57,600
Speaker 12: us over this top defensively.

1120
00:57:58,000 --> 00:58:01,600
Speaker 3: What do you think it does the bills outlook, now

1121
00:58:01,640 --> 00:58:03,840
Speaker 3: that Tremaine Edmonds is out of the building and they've

1122
00:58:03,880 --> 00:58:08,520
Speaker 3: got three, four, five guys buying for his spot.

1123
00:58:09,600 --> 00:58:11,960
Speaker 12: I mean, it's such a competitive spot, right and it's

1124
00:58:11,960 --> 00:58:15,160
Speaker 12: such an important spot in Sean's defense.

1125
00:58:15,200 --> 00:58:15,520
Speaker 6: And you.

1126
00:58:17,160 --> 00:58:19,160
Speaker 12: Look, I think we kind of all saw the writing

1127
00:58:19,160 --> 00:58:21,120
Speaker 12: on the wall that someone was going to pay Tremaine

1128
00:58:21,120 --> 00:58:22,680
Speaker 12: more than the bills we're going to be able to

1129
00:58:22,720 --> 00:58:25,120
Speaker 12: extend to when you look at sort of the financial

1130
00:58:25,200 --> 00:58:27,840
Speaker 12: situation that they're in, and maybe some of the moves

1131
00:58:27,880 --> 00:58:30,640
Speaker 12: that they would have to make to allow that to happen, then,

1132
00:58:30,760 --> 00:58:32,880
Speaker 12: you know, signing Milano to the extension as well. So

1133
00:58:32,960 --> 00:58:35,040
Speaker 12: all right, well, if we're gonna those two have played

1134
00:58:35,080 --> 00:58:36,640
Speaker 12: together for a long time, we're not going to lose

1135
00:58:36,680 --> 00:58:37,960
Speaker 12: both of them. We're going to have at least one

1136
00:58:38,000 --> 00:58:40,480
Speaker 12: of them for an extended period of time, and sort

1137
00:58:40,480 --> 00:58:42,560
Speaker 12: of picking Milano in that regard. But I think that's

1138
00:58:42,600 --> 00:58:44,880
Speaker 12: a huge competition because I think there is a lot

1139
00:58:44,920 --> 00:58:48,200
Speaker 12: on whoever that player's shoulder is in the middle of

1140
00:58:48,240 --> 00:58:51,960
Speaker 12: the defense, what Sean wants, the communication, what Tremaine brought

1141
00:58:52,000 --> 00:58:54,200
Speaker 12: to the position. You know, it's not just what this

1142
00:58:54,280 --> 00:58:56,920
Speaker 12: new player can do and how he can influence the defense,

1143
00:58:56,920 --> 00:58:59,120
Speaker 12: but we're going to be comparing it to what Tremaine

1144
00:58:59,160 --> 00:59:02,160
Speaker 12: was able to do. Look to mean, as we've talked

1145
00:59:02,200 --> 00:59:04,520
Speaker 12: about a million times, a lot of experience in the league,

1146
00:59:04,600 --> 00:59:07,320
Speaker 12: still a young player, still getting better. So those are

1147
00:59:07,360 --> 00:59:08,919
Speaker 12: those are big shoes to fill for sure.

1148
00:59:10,240 --> 00:59:12,720
Speaker 2: Swinging it back to New England real quick here, Mike,

1149
00:59:12,880 --> 00:59:17,080
Speaker 2: we've heard reports out of you know, Patriots spring practices

1150
00:59:17,240 --> 00:59:21,960
Speaker 2: that the Gasicki hunter Henry Combo could lead to a

1151
00:59:22,000 --> 00:59:25,720
Speaker 2: greater use of twelve personnel for New England going forward

1152
00:59:25,800 --> 00:59:28,400
Speaker 2: under Bill O'Brien, the OC that's back in the fold.

1153
00:59:28,840 --> 00:59:30,960
Speaker 2: We've heard the same thing here in Buffalo with with

1154
00:59:31,080 --> 00:59:34,360
Speaker 2: Dalton Kinka being added to this offense with Dawson Knox.

1155
00:59:34,840 --> 00:59:37,800
Speaker 2: Are we sensing that there's a there's a trend developing

1156
00:59:37,840 --> 00:59:40,880
Speaker 2: here in the league where twelve personnel is suddenly going

1157
00:59:40,920 --> 00:59:43,000
Speaker 2: to be a little bit more in vogue going forward.

1158
00:59:44,240 --> 00:59:46,280
Speaker 12: Well, I think because of some of the players that

1159
00:59:46,320 --> 00:59:48,680
Speaker 12: we're talking about, and obviously we haven't seen Dalton play

1160
00:59:48,680 --> 00:59:52,240
Speaker 12: at ACXL NFL football game, but just sort of he's

1161
00:59:52,280 --> 00:59:54,520
Speaker 12: a he's a big slot more than he is a

1162
00:59:54,560 --> 00:59:56,840
Speaker 12: tight end. Right in Gaseki, I don't think anyone views

1163
00:59:56,920 --> 01:00:00,000
Speaker 12: Kaseki as a tight end, even though that's what's next

1164
01:00:00,080 --> 01:00:02,680
Speaker 12: to his name. Right He's a big wide receiver, he's

1165
01:00:02,680 --> 01:00:05,640
Speaker 12: a big slot. I think that's part of it. You know,

1166
01:00:05,680 --> 01:00:07,960
Speaker 12: you're just sort of looking at different ways to get this.

1167
01:00:08,000 --> 01:00:10,720
Speaker 12: I think the tight end position in general is cheaper.

1168
01:00:11,040 --> 01:00:12,640
Speaker 12: You're not having to spend as much money as you

1169
01:00:12,640 --> 01:00:14,880
Speaker 12: would on a top flight receiver. You draft the tight

1170
01:00:15,000 --> 01:00:17,120
Speaker 12: end again, there's a little bit more controlled cost or

1171
01:00:17,120 --> 01:00:19,280
Speaker 12: sign a tight end. There's a little bit more controlled

1172
01:00:19,280 --> 01:00:21,760
Speaker 12: costs in that regard. I would also say, just look

1173
01:00:21,800 --> 01:00:24,600
Speaker 12: from the New England standpoint, they didn't have a lot

1174
01:00:24,640 --> 01:00:27,560
Speaker 12: of their receivers running around during OTA's and Mini caamp.

1175
01:00:28,120 --> 01:00:30,680
Speaker 12: Some guys dealing with injuries. Taekwon Thorton their second round

1176
01:00:30,680 --> 01:00:33,800
Speaker 12: pick from a year ago as a hamstring issue, Juju

1177
01:00:33,800 --> 01:00:37,160
Speaker 12: Smith Schuster still rehabbing an injury from last year with

1178
01:00:37,200 --> 01:00:38,800
Speaker 12: the Chiefs, And then when you start to look at

1179
01:00:38,800 --> 01:00:40,920
Speaker 12: his career and how it's gone the last few years

1180
01:00:41,000 --> 01:00:43,960
Speaker 12: or the injuries, makes you wonder about the money that

1181
01:00:44,080 --> 01:00:46,200
Speaker 12: was allocated towards him and what that's going to look

1182
01:00:46,280 --> 01:00:50,240
Speaker 12: like here going forward. I would say, based on just

1183
01:00:50,280 --> 01:00:53,160
Speaker 12: what I saw in Mini Camp, Edatory Mini Caamp, they

1184
01:00:53,200 --> 01:00:55,000
Speaker 12: had no other choice but to throw to those guys

1185
01:00:55,000 --> 01:00:57,040
Speaker 12: and have those guys on the field a lot because

1186
01:00:57,240 --> 01:00:59,960
Speaker 12: there wasn't a whole lot around them to work with.

1187
01:01:00,840 --> 01:01:04,600
Speaker 3: What's Bill O'Brien said this last couple of weeks, both

1188
01:01:04,640 --> 01:01:07,400
Speaker 3: in the OTAs and now the mandatory Mini camp. What's

1189
01:01:07,440 --> 01:01:09,720
Speaker 3: his message been, Yeah.

1190
01:01:09,560 --> 01:01:11,200
Speaker 12: We haven't talked to we haven't been allowed to talk

1191
01:01:11,240 --> 01:01:12,320
Speaker 12: to Billy for a few weeks.

1192
01:01:12,720 --> 01:01:13,040
Speaker 4: Uh.

1193
01:01:13,080 --> 01:01:15,280
Speaker 12: His message though, at the beginning of all this was

1194
01:01:15,320 --> 01:01:18,480
Speaker 12: just clean slate and I think that speaks to a

1195
01:01:18,520 --> 01:01:20,520
Speaker 12: lot of different people on the offensive side of the ball,

1196
01:01:20,560 --> 01:01:23,480
Speaker 12: certainly the quarterback Mac Jones, who you know, after a

1197
01:01:23,520 --> 01:01:25,880
Speaker 12: pretty good rookie season, it was a disaster near two.

1198
01:01:26,520 --> 01:01:26,760
Speaker 6: Uh.

1199
01:01:26,800 --> 01:01:28,480
Speaker 12: And there are some people here who believe, you know,

1200
01:01:28,560 --> 01:01:31,600
Speaker 12: Bailly Zappi is actual real competition for him.

1201
01:01:32,040 --> 01:01:32,600
Speaker 6: Uh.

1202
01:01:32,800 --> 01:01:35,760
Speaker 12: I don't. I don't see that personally, but there are

1203
01:01:35,800 --> 01:01:38,360
Speaker 12: some people that believe that. There are at least there's

1204
01:01:38,360 --> 01:01:41,560
Speaker 12: at least one coach, not Bill O'Brien, who believes that

1205
01:01:41,640 --> 01:01:44,680
Speaker 12: Zappi is a better player than Mac Jones. So there

1206
01:01:44,760 --> 01:01:46,640
Speaker 12: might be a little bit we've We've saw a little

1207
01:01:46,640 --> 01:01:48,880
Speaker 12: bit in mandatory mini camp where Zappie was working with

1208
01:01:48,920 --> 01:01:52,120
Speaker 12: the Ones over Jones, but mostly it was Jones, and

1209
01:01:52,160 --> 01:01:54,920
Speaker 12: mostly Jones looked like the better, the better player. I

1210
01:01:55,000 --> 01:01:57,560
Speaker 12: just think and you guys saw it. You saw it

1211
01:01:57,600 --> 01:02:01,600
Speaker 12: twice offensively, and we we talked about it. It was

1212
01:02:01,600 --> 01:02:04,479
Speaker 12: talked about at nauseum. They had no plan last year,

1213
01:02:04,960 --> 01:02:07,840
Speaker 12: and when someone had an answer for whatever that plan was,

1214
01:02:07,960 --> 01:02:11,360
Speaker 12: that very limited plan, they had no counter and that

1215
01:02:11,560 --> 01:02:14,560
Speaker 12: was Bill Belichick putting Joe Judge and Matt Patricia. Matt

1216
01:02:14,560 --> 01:02:17,440
Speaker 12: Patricia primarily as a play caller in charge of that offense.

1217
01:02:17,480 --> 01:02:20,080
Speaker 12: It was ugly, it was a mess, and quite frankly,

1218
01:02:20,080 --> 01:02:22,720
Speaker 12: they got what they deserved based on what they did.

1219
01:02:23,080 --> 01:02:25,560
Speaker 12: And now you're in the third year of a first

1220
01:02:25,640 --> 01:02:28,040
Speaker 12: round pick, rookie quarterback, you know, on that rookie deal,

1221
01:02:28,520 --> 01:02:31,600
Speaker 12: and you're on your third offensive coordinator. So they've done

1222
01:02:31,640 --> 01:02:34,280
Speaker 12: a lot of things that you they would look at

1223
01:02:34,360 --> 01:02:37,480
Speaker 12: back in the day and say, that's how bad franchises operate. Well,

1224
01:02:37,560 --> 01:02:40,280
Speaker 12: I think the last three years that's sort of been

1225
01:02:40,600 --> 01:02:41,280
Speaker 12: their playbook.

1226
01:02:41,440 --> 01:02:44,760
Speaker 2: Okay, So with that change in mind, look, I think

1227
01:02:44,800 --> 01:02:49,240
Speaker 2: if somebody asked what's the most important or seismic move

1228
01:02:50,000 --> 01:02:53,040
Speaker 2: in the division, they would unquestionably say Aaron Rodgers being

1229
01:02:53,080 --> 01:02:54,200
Speaker 2: acquired by the Jets.

1230
01:02:54,720 --> 01:02:55,840
Speaker 4: What comes after that?

1231
01:02:55,920 --> 01:02:56,200
Speaker 6: Though?

1232
01:02:56,360 --> 01:02:59,840
Speaker 2: Is it Vic Fangio going to Miami? Is it you know,

1233
01:03:00,520 --> 01:03:02,680
Speaker 2: is it O'Brien going back to New England? Is it

1234
01:03:02,800 --> 01:03:05,480
Speaker 2: something else? What comes in second there in terms of

1235
01:03:05,520 --> 01:03:07,040
Speaker 2: a seismic shift in the division.

1236
01:03:08,360 --> 01:03:11,080
Speaker 12: So I would say that that's the Both names are perfect.

1237
01:03:11,080 --> 01:03:13,040
Speaker 12: I would say they're a tie, right because when you

1238
01:03:13,080 --> 01:03:17,160
Speaker 12: look at what Fangio inherits in Miami, there's some talent defensively,

1239
01:03:17,600 --> 01:03:19,840
Speaker 12: but they played a totally different way. They played the

1240
01:03:19,840 --> 01:03:23,200
Speaker 12: Brian Flores the zero Blitz, be aggressive as all get out.

1241
01:03:23,240 --> 01:03:25,720
Speaker 12: That's not how Vic's going to play. In fact, Vic

1242
01:03:25,880 --> 01:03:28,640
Speaker 12: is kind of a stark contrast from that. Vic carries

1243
01:03:28,680 --> 01:03:30,680
Speaker 12: a lot more weight, I think than Josh Barrier, who

1244
01:03:30,760 --> 01:03:34,520
Speaker 12: is now the deposed Dolphins defensive coordinator. And they make

1245
01:03:34,520 --> 01:03:36,520
Speaker 12: the deal for Janln Ramsey, so I'm saying he doesn't

1246
01:03:36,560 --> 01:03:38,400
Speaker 12: run as well as he used to. I have a

1247
01:03:38,440 --> 01:03:40,680
Speaker 12: feeling that he's going to be pretty motivated this year.

1248
01:03:40,800 --> 01:03:43,160
Speaker 12: Zavian Howard coming off a bad year as well, I

1249
01:03:43,160 --> 01:03:46,680
Speaker 12: think he'll be pretty motivated. So I would say Fangio

1250
01:03:46,800 --> 01:03:49,479
Speaker 12: gives that defense a jolt that they haven't had since

1251
01:03:49,480 --> 01:03:52,000
Speaker 12: Flora has walked out the door or was pushed out

1252
01:03:52,000 --> 01:03:54,680
Speaker 12: the door. And for the Patriots, having someone who has

1253
01:03:54,720 --> 01:03:57,120
Speaker 12: a plan, who has a counter to your counter at

1254
01:03:57,120 --> 01:03:59,920
Speaker 12: the very least puts them in a far better position

1255
01:04:00,040 --> 01:04:02,400
Speaker 12: than they were last year. And look, let's be real,

1256
01:04:03,320 --> 01:04:05,840
Speaker 12: the clock's ticking on Mac Jones now. Regardless of whether

1257
01:04:05,880 --> 01:04:07,560
Speaker 12: you want to throw out last year because of who

1258
01:04:07,600 --> 01:04:10,000
Speaker 12: was coaching him, he didn't play well. There are now

1259
01:04:10,120 --> 01:04:13,360
Speaker 12: questions about him going forward. The beginning of their schedule

1260
01:04:13,440 --> 01:04:15,880
Speaker 12: is very difficult. Like, it wouldn't surprise me if it

1261
01:04:15,960 --> 01:04:18,320
Speaker 12: sort of went sideways early that he's not the quarterback

1262
01:04:18,640 --> 01:04:20,720
Speaker 12: by the mid season of next year. Again, if it

1263
01:04:20,760 --> 01:04:23,600
Speaker 12: goes poorly, but he's got O'Brien, he's got some more pieces.

1264
01:04:24,520 --> 01:04:27,160
Speaker 12: Now he's got an opportunity. It's sick or swim.

1265
01:04:27,320 --> 01:04:30,040
Speaker 1: Wow, yeah, wow, it could be.

1266
01:04:30,320 --> 01:04:32,480
Speaker 3: It's interesting too because all three of the teams that

1267
01:04:32,520 --> 01:04:35,560
Speaker 3: are chasing that you know, obstensibly chasing Buffalo, they all

1268
01:04:35,640 --> 01:04:39,200
Speaker 3: made some moves that Ken O'Brien or Bill O'Brien is

1269
01:04:39,200 --> 01:04:41,640
Speaker 3: is a is a big move. Vic Fangio is I

1270
01:04:41,680 --> 01:04:45,080
Speaker 3: think as important a change in the in the division

1271
01:04:45,160 --> 01:04:47,800
Speaker 3: as the Aaron Rodgers change in New York. And certainly

1272
01:04:48,680 --> 01:04:52,120
Speaker 3: I don't know, and we've seen it before, like look

1273
01:04:52,120 --> 01:04:54,560
Speaker 3: at last year in Denver where they thought he was

1274
01:04:54,600 --> 01:04:56,480
Speaker 3: plugging in. A new guy at quarterback is going to

1275
01:04:56,520 --> 01:04:59,400
Speaker 3: make all the difference. It takes more than that, I

1276
01:04:59,440 --> 01:05:02,280
Speaker 3: think to make it happen. Aaron Rodgers has had good

1277
01:05:02,320 --> 01:05:07,080
Speaker 3: success with Nathaniel Hackett offensive coordinator. We'll see if that continues.

1278
01:05:07,120 --> 01:05:09,600
Speaker 3: But I think all three teams other than Buffalo in

1279
01:05:09,640 --> 01:05:14,120
Speaker 3: the division do have reason for optimism, but those reasons

1280
01:05:14,120 --> 01:05:17,720
Speaker 3: are also big question marks, and I think those yeah, yeah,

1281
01:05:17,720 --> 01:05:18,520
Speaker 3: go ahead.

1282
01:05:18,400 --> 01:05:21,400
Speaker 12: No see. I think it's a great point because even

1283
01:05:21,400 --> 01:05:23,760
Speaker 12: though Leslie Fraser is no longer here, I think we

1284
01:05:23,800 --> 01:05:27,040
Speaker 12: all believe Sean had his fingerprints and his hands all

1285
01:05:27,080 --> 01:05:29,520
Speaker 12: over that defense. So okay, yes, is there a little

1286
01:05:29,560 --> 01:05:32,080
Speaker 12: bit more pressure on Sean now that he's assuming that role. Yeah,

1287
01:05:32,160 --> 01:05:34,280
Speaker 12: I think it's clear there's there's one less person that

1288
01:05:34,400 --> 01:05:37,280
Speaker 12: you can say, you know, Leslie wasn't good enough in

1289
01:05:37,320 --> 01:05:39,080
Speaker 12: the big you know whatever, he couldn't get our defense

1290
01:05:39,080 --> 01:05:41,400
Speaker 12: ready to play in the big spots. Now he's taking

1291
01:05:41,440 --> 01:05:43,760
Speaker 12: that on himself. But I think in the other places

1292
01:05:43,760 --> 01:05:46,880
Speaker 12: now there's been some seismic changes, you know, obviously the

1293
01:05:46,920 --> 01:05:49,560
Speaker 12: quarterback for the Jets, which look, even if Aaron Rodgers

1294
01:05:49,600 --> 01:05:52,400
Speaker 12: is Aaron Rodgers of last year, which by all accounts wasn't,

1295
01:05:52,720 --> 01:05:55,120
Speaker 12: that's not a very good Aaron Rodgers, it's still way

1296
01:05:55,120 --> 01:05:57,640
Speaker 12: better than what they had at their position last year.

1297
01:05:57,680 --> 01:06:00,760
Speaker 12: And should you know, definitely I think elev them to

1298
01:06:00,840 --> 01:06:03,920
Speaker 12: sort of playoff status. But then, like what's Robert Stala

1299
01:06:03,920 --> 01:06:07,320
Speaker 12: as a coach. We don't do we really know, we

1300
01:06:07,360 --> 01:06:10,120
Speaker 12: don't really know, because I think we're not sure. Obviously,

1301
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Speaker 12: the offense has been a disaster last year. They were

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01:06:12,600 --> 01:06:15,160
Speaker 12: off to a really nice start and then just collapse

1303
01:06:15,240 --> 01:06:17,400
Speaker 12: down the stretch. Do you put that all on the quarterback?

1304
01:06:17,480 --> 01:06:21,120
Speaker 12: Or does the coach bear some responsibility for that? Mike McDaniels, right,

1305
01:06:21,200 --> 01:06:23,360
Speaker 12: they hire One of the reasons they hire him is

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01:06:23,400 --> 01:06:26,120
Speaker 12: that he's a great run game coordinator. I guess who

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01:06:26,120 --> 01:06:29,040
Speaker 12: doesn't run the ball the Miami Dolphins. So I think

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01:06:29,080 --> 01:06:33,640
Speaker 12: there are some interesting questions, not only from a player

1309
01:06:33,880 --> 01:06:37,840
Speaker 12: acquisition perspective, but from a coaching perspective. Where here in Buffalo,

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01:06:37,920 --> 01:06:41,040
Speaker 12: you know, you know what Sean is right, and I

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01:06:41,040 --> 01:06:43,640
Speaker 12: think he sort of even though Dorris is only in

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01:06:43,640 --> 01:06:45,520
Speaker 12: his second year as the OC, I think he kind

1313
01:06:45,560 --> 01:06:48,680
Speaker 12: of know what he wants the offensive DNA to be.

1314
01:06:48,920 --> 01:06:51,560
Speaker 12: So I think a lot of teams there could be

1315
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Speaker 12: some taker and early on, and you know who knows

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01:06:53,760 --> 01:06:54,640
Speaker 12: who knows how it works.

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Speaker 2: Mike, Thanks for the time as always, enjoy your summer.

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01:06:57,960 --> 01:07:00,000
Speaker 2: Will catch up a year around training camp time.

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Speaker 12: Thanks Mike, looking forward to your guys hitting straight.

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Speaker 4: Yeah that's Mike.

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Speaker 2: Do you already joining us NFL analyst here on the show.

1322
01:07:07,000 --> 01:07:09,800
Speaker 2: I always appreciate his insight, especially with the AFC East,

1323
01:07:10,080 --> 01:07:11,960
Speaker 2: which he keeps his ear to the ground on pretty

1324
01:07:12,640 --> 01:07:15,880
Speaker 2: uh diligently. So we want to turn back to the

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Speaker 2: phones though, because we had some people waiting for a while,

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01:07:18,400 --> 01:07:21,439
Speaker 2: as we've been asking you today with Mini Camp over

1327
01:07:21,520 --> 01:07:23,960
Speaker 2: and training camp on the horizon, anything you're still wondering

1328
01:07:23,960 --> 01:07:26,480
Speaker 2: about with this bills team. We go to Tony and

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01:07:26,520 --> 01:07:27,840
Speaker 2: Buffalo has been waiting patiently.

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Speaker 4: What do you got for us? Tony?

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01:07:29,960 --> 01:07:32,960
Speaker 6: Yes, fellas, how you doing good? Good Chris, Steve? What's

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01:07:33,000 --> 01:07:35,240
Speaker 6: going on y'all? Steve Man? I love it when people

1333
01:07:35,360 --> 01:07:37,760
Speaker 6: mentioned the Hall of Fame because it really looked like

1334
01:07:37,800 --> 01:07:40,200
Speaker 6: when you look down, you know, doing your GROCERI liss

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01:07:40,200 --> 01:07:42,800
Speaker 6: and your crosswork. Puzzle man, you do steep, you know

1336
01:07:42,880 --> 01:07:43,280
Speaker 6: what I mean?

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01:07:45,000 --> 01:07:47,800
Speaker 1: I am not thanks, Tony. That's nice of you.

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01:07:47,920 --> 01:07:51,080
Speaker 3: I do not lay awake at night worrying about that,

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01:07:51,200 --> 01:07:53,840
Speaker 3: but I appreciate you.

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01:07:52,960 --> 01:07:55,600
Speaker 6: No doubt. Second, we had to get a rid of Fraser.

1341
01:07:55,800 --> 01:07:56,960
Speaker 6: We had to get we had to get a rid

1342
01:07:57,000 --> 01:07:58,919
Speaker 6: of Germaine Etton. Think about it, y'all.

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01:08:00,080 --> 01:08:01,520
Speaker 12: The Ford the.

1344
01:08:01,440 --> 01:08:05,080
Speaker 6: Tremaine Edmonds entire four year contract with the fifth year pickup.

1345
01:08:05,440 --> 01:08:07,880
Speaker 6: The middle of the field was wide open. It was

1346
01:08:07,960 --> 01:08:10,320
Speaker 6: exploited year after year after year. I mean, if you

1347
01:08:10,360 --> 01:08:12,479
Speaker 6: got to have your blood pressure pills, like, yo, what's

1348
01:08:12,480 --> 01:08:16,320
Speaker 6: going on? Leslie Fraser? Excellent coach, But the defense is

1349
01:08:16,320 --> 01:08:18,800
Speaker 6: to relax. I don't care what anybody got to say

1350
01:08:18,840 --> 01:08:22,360
Speaker 6: about the Buffalo Bills. Sometimes no noise that the best noise.

1351
01:08:22,439 --> 01:08:27,080
Speaker 6: Let them sleep because with mcdermy calling the plays. Oh man,

1352
01:08:27,120 --> 01:08:29,160
Speaker 6: all hell about the break loose? The Buffalo Bills is

1353
01:08:29,160 --> 01:08:32,960
Speaker 6: a fully loaded clip. Third of all my I'm still

1354
01:08:32,960 --> 01:08:36,560
Speaker 6: scratching my head on the quarterback, the back of the

1355
01:08:36,600 --> 01:08:39,840
Speaker 6: situation with the quarterback, God for being anything happened to Allen?

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01:08:40,320 --> 01:08:43,960
Speaker 6: Who's this guy? Who's these guys sitting behind him? Okay?

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01:08:43,760 --> 01:08:44,120
Speaker 6: They are?

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01:08:44,160 --> 01:08:44,559
Speaker 8: They are?

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01:08:44,640 --> 01:08:47,679
Speaker 6: They skillful enough to hold the Ford down? God forbid,

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01:08:47,720 --> 01:08:49,599
Speaker 6: anything happened to Allen? You gotta sit out a couple

1361
01:08:49,640 --> 01:08:52,360
Speaker 6: of games. What's up with those guys? I'm gonna hang up, man.

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01:08:53,000 --> 01:08:54,960
Speaker 6: You know I'll speak to you O, you know another time.

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Speaker 4: All right? Thanks, Tony.

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01:08:57,040 --> 01:08:59,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, you know you've got Kyle Allen and

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01:08:59,080 --> 01:09:01,680
Speaker 2: Matt Barkley who's been here a while on and off.

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01:09:02,120 --> 01:09:05,360
Speaker 4: And they're backups. I mean that's what they are.

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01:09:06,479 --> 01:09:09,080
Speaker 2: Kyle Allen obviously the younger of the two players there

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01:09:09,400 --> 01:09:14,760
Speaker 2: a little bit more athletic. But it's hard because when

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01:09:14,840 --> 01:09:19,479
Speaker 2: your starter's Josh Allen, Yeah, there is inevitably going to be.

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Speaker 1: A drop off.

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Speaker 2: And seeing that drop off, I almost feel like Kyle

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01:09:25,120 --> 01:09:28,960
Speaker 2: Allen and Matt Barkley don't get a fair shake because

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01:09:30,040 --> 01:09:33,320
Speaker 2: there's really nobody else that can play like Josh, and

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01:09:33,400 --> 01:09:36,880
Speaker 2: so it puts them maybe even more under the microscope

1375
01:09:36,920 --> 01:09:40,599
Speaker 2: than most backup quarterbacks are. I will say that Kyle

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01:09:40,680 --> 01:09:43,880
Speaker 2: Allen's been around the block, He's been pressed into action

1377
01:09:43,960 --> 01:09:48,559
Speaker 2: at times. His statistics aren't going to overwhelm you. But

1378
01:09:48,800 --> 01:09:51,840
Speaker 2: I think if you need somebody to start a couple

1379
01:09:51,840 --> 01:09:54,880
Speaker 2: of games for you, he can manage the game for you.

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01:09:55,000 --> 01:09:59,160
Speaker 2: I don't think you should expect fireworks, unbelievable plays. You're

1381
01:09:59,200 --> 01:10:00,800
Speaker 2: just looking for somebody to get you through a game,

1382
01:10:00,840 --> 01:10:01,880
Speaker 2: put you in a position to win.

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01:10:02,439 --> 01:10:02,679
Speaker 6: Yeah.

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01:10:02,760 --> 01:10:06,639
Speaker 3: I don't want to jinx anything. And although I don't

1385
01:10:06,640 --> 01:10:10,360
Speaker 3: think I would. You look at the string of quarterbacks

1386
01:10:10,400 --> 01:10:12,240
Speaker 3: in the league. Who has started the most games in

1387
01:10:12,240 --> 01:10:16,280
Speaker 3: a row. Josh Allen has seventy one starts in a row.

1388
01:10:16,439 --> 01:10:18,680
Speaker 3: The next best one, I think is Pat Mahomes as

1389
01:10:18,760 --> 01:10:24,880
Speaker 3: thirty five. Josh is one of Josh's abilities, along with

1390
01:10:24,920 --> 01:10:27,240
Speaker 3: all the stuff he plays football, ass his availability.

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01:10:27,280 --> 01:10:28,599
Speaker 1: The guy shows up.

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01:10:29,520 --> 01:10:32,880
Speaker 3: We all worry about how you know, dangerous it is

1393
01:10:33,000 --> 01:10:35,559
Speaker 3: and how he plays the game and yady yeah and

1394
01:10:35,560 --> 01:10:38,759
Speaker 3: all that. The guy hasn't missed his start in seventy

1395
01:10:38,800 --> 01:10:43,559
Speaker 3: one games. Pat Mahomes is I think second, with like

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01:10:43,680 --> 01:10:45,280
Speaker 3: thirty five straight starts.

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01:10:46,840 --> 01:10:50,000
Speaker 1: That's just the way it is. You hope you never

1398
01:10:50,040 --> 01:10:53,559
Speaker 1: get down to that. And if you do, Brownie's right.

1399
01:10:54,920 --> 01:10:57,559
Speaker 3: Unless you got John Elway in his prime behind Josh,

1400
01:10:57,560 --> 01:10:58,479
Speaker 3: he ain't got nobody.

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01:10:59,240 --> 01:11:02,479
Speaker 1: So I like Cobo measures up.

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01:11:02,520 --> 01:11:02,840
Speaker 4: We should.

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01:11:03,120 --> 01:11:05,840
Speaker 3: I like Barkley, and let's forget bark You can say

1404
01:11:05,840 --> 01:11:08,920
Speaker 3: what you want. Barkley came in and in four days

1405
01:11:08,960 --> 01:11:12,719
Speaker 3: in twenty seventeen lit the Jets up off the street.

1406
01:11:13,439 --> 01:11:16,360
Speaker 3: Then he comes in week seventeen, last game of the

1407
01:11:16,360 --> 01:11:20,640
Speaker 3: season in twenty twenty, twenty twenty, and he lights the

1408
01:11:23,000 --> 01:11:26,479
Speaker 3: Miami Dolphins up. He beats him himself in a half

1409
01:11:26,479 --> 01:11:30,240
Speaker 3: of football. That's when they beat him fifty six twenty

1410
01:11:30,280 --> 01:11:34,720
Speaker 3: six or something like that. So Barkley can throw it,

1411
01:11:35,240 --> 01:11:37,920
Speaker 3: and I think he plays in a way that's unafraid.

1412
01:11:39,240 --> 01:11:41,600
Speaker 3: But you're but you're right. I mean, you say what

1413
01:11:41,640 --> 01:11:44,120
Speaker 3: you want about all the back. There's nobody's gonna be

1414
01:11:44,200 --> 01:11:46,240
Speaker 3: Josh when he gets in there. And if Josh goes down,

1415
01:11:46,320 --> 01:11:48,519
Speaker 3: the team's got problems. There's no question about it. And

1416
01:11:48,520 --> 01:11:51,720
Speaker 3: everybody knows it. And just every team will say the

1417
01:11:51,720 --> 01:11:55,920
Speaker 3: same thing. If Tua goes down, they got problems. If

1418
01:11:56,000 --> 01:12:00,519
Speaker 3: Aaron Rodgers goes down, they got problems. If Joe Burrow Holmes,

1419
01:12:00,560 --> 01:12:03,760
Speaker 3: And that's just the way it is. It's the world

1420
01:12:03,840 --> 01:12:04,280
Speaker 3: we live in.

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01:12:04,880 --> 01:12:07,560
Speaker 4: Back to the phones and to Greg and Palmira, what

1422
01:12:07,640 --> 01:12:08,160
Speaker 4: do you got for us?

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01:12:08,160 --> 01:12:08,439
Speaker 1: Greg?

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01:12:09,280 --> 01:12:14,360
Speaker 14: Hi? I earlier a caller called basically criticizing Spencer Brown

1425
01:12:14,439 --> 01:12:18,600
Speaker 14: or whatever. I'm calling to defend Spencer Brown during the

1426
01:12:18,640 --> 01:12:20,919
Speaker 14: off season. I don't have much of a life. I'm retired.

1427
01:12:21,240 --> 01:12:24,920
Speaker 14: I watched all the Bills games replayed on TV, and

1428
01:12:25,080 --> 01:12:29,080
Speaker 14: Spencer Brown he was he was fine. You'd watch him

1429
01:12:29,120 --> 01:12:31,120
Speaker 14: hit his man, open the hole and then he'd go

1430
01:12:31,240 --> 01:12:35,000
Speaker 14: downfield and pick up another guy. So I think people

1431
01:12:35,880 --> 01:12:38,519
Speaker 14: think that Spencer Brown is another Cody Ford. He's not.

1432
01:12:39,040 --> 01:12:41,720
Speaker 14: And Roger Saffle was the problem last year, you have

1433
01:12:41,800 --> 01:12:43,960
Speaker 14: one guy in the line that's weak and it makes

1434
01:12:43,960 --> 01:12:46,960
Speaker 14: the whole line look bad. So my kudos to Spencer Brown.

1435
01:12:46,960 --> 01:12:48,800
Speaker 14: He's gonna be awesome this year. Go Bill.

1436
01:12:49,000 --> 01:12:49,840
Speaker 4: Yeah, thanks, Greg.

1437
01:12:49,880 --> 01:12:52,400
Speaker 2: I do I do tend to think in year three

1438
01:12:52,439 --> 01:12:54,680
Speaker 2: that he will blossom. We've seen other examples of that

1439
01:12:54,720 --> 01:12:57,960
Speaker 2: in Bill's uniform before under the player development program that

1440
01:12:58,000 --> 01:13:00,680
Speaker 2: they have here. So I would tend to agree with

1441
01:13:00,760 --> 01:13:04,160
Speaker 2: you that I would expect bigger and better things from Spencer,

1442
01:13:04,200 --> 01:13:05,800
Speaker 2: who I think would be the first to tell you

1443
01:13:05,920 --> 01:13:08,640
Speaker 2: last year was an uneven season for him for a

1444
01:13:08,720 --> 01:13:11,320
Speaker 2: multitude of reasons that were not really connected to his

1445
01:13:11,400 --> 01:13:14,960
Speaker 2: willingness to win on every single snap. When we mentioned

1446
01:13:14,960 --> 01:13:18,160
Speaker 2: the injuries, not only the back surgery in the off season,

1447
01:13:18,200 --> 01:13:20,600
Speaker 2: but the high ankle spring during the season, it just

1448
01:13:20,680 --> 01:13:24,599
Speaker 2: compromises effectiveness as a player, So that's what made it so,

1449
01:13:24,960 --> 01:13:27,600
Speaker 2: that's in large part what made it so difficult for

1450
01:13:27,680 --> 01:13:29,280
Speaker 2: him at times last year.

1451
01:13:29,360 --> 01:13:33,800
Speaker 3: So one thing for sure that can't be denied. He's

1452
01:13:33,920 --> 01:13:37,280
Speaker 3: off to a better start this off season in preseason

1453
01:13:37,360 --> 01:13:40,759
Speaker 3: than he was a year ago. He gets to play

1454
01:13:41,360 --> 01:13:44,639
Speaker 3: this off season, he gets to practice this off season,

1455
01:13:45,120 --> 01:13:48,719
Speaker 3: he gets to get better this offseason instead of healing

1456
01:13:48,800 --> 01:13:50,080
Speaker 3: up this offseason.

1457
01:13:50,479 --> 01:13:52,320
Speaker 1: So at the very least.

1458
01:13:52,080 --> 01:13:54,639
Speaker 3: Until something happened, Unless something happens where he gets another

1459
01:13:54,680 --> 01:13:59,280
Speaker 3: injury or whatever, he's way ahead this season from where

1460
01:13:59,280 --> 01:14:02,080
Speaker 3: he was a year ago. Go just you know, including

1461
01:14:02,160 --> 01:14:04,160
Speaker 3: the fact that he's got an entire season under his

1462
01:14:04,240 --> 01:14:07,040
Speaker 3: belt now and playing with challenges that none of us

1463
01:14:07,120 --> 01:14:10,479
Speaker 3: knew coming out, and playing getting the chances to play

1464
01:14:10,520 --> 01:14:13,720
Speaker 3: healthy for a minute at least is going to get

1465
01:14:13,760 --> 01:14:15,680
Speaker 3: him off to a better start than he got last year.

1466
01:14:15,760 --> 01:14:19,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, let's squeeze in Terry and Easter. Rory here has

1467
01:14:19,000 --> 01:14:20,439
Speaker 2: been waiting patiently. What do you got for us?

1468
01:14:20,479 --> 01:14:20,759
Speaker 4: Terry?

1469
01:14:21,680 --> 01:14:23,120
Speaker 15: Hi, Hey, how are you guys?

1470
01:14:23,120 --> 01:14:23,280
Speaker 6: Man?

1471
01:14:23,360 --> 01:14:25,000
Speaker 15: I'd tell you this is an honor to talk to

1472
01:14:25,040 --> 01:14:25,719
Speaker 15: a legend and.

1473
01:14:25,640 --> 01:14:28,200
Speaker 1: You, Steve, thank you appreciate it.

1474
01:14:29,760 --> 01:14:30,720
Speaker 8: Steve, I saw.

1475
01:14:30,760 --> 01:14:32,120
Speaker 15: I was just about to walk up to it the

1476
01:14:32,120 --> 01:14:34,679
Speaker 15: Wayland a couple of weeks ago, but I was shy

1477
01:14:34,760 --> 01:14:37,840
Speaker 15: and a little gassy, so I stopped. But anyways, listen,

1478
01:14:38,479 --> 01:14:42,400
Speaker 15: I wonder about, logistically, when did these guys get their playbooks?

1479
01:14:42,439 --> 01:14:45,640
Speaker 15: My thinking is perhaps Stefan Diggs was maybe sold some

1480
01:14:45,680 --> 01:14:48,520
Speaker 15: Wolf tickets during the offseason, got to look at the playbook,

1481
01:14:48,840 --> 01:14:50,639
Speaker 15: it maybe had a little temper tangent.

1482
01:14:50,680 --> 01:14:53,960
Speaker 4: What do you guys think interesting theory?

1483
01:14:54,160 --> 01:14:55,840
Speaker 1: Maybe I kind of doubt it.

1484
01:14:55,920 --> 01:14:58,800
Speaker 3: I would lean against it because so much of what

1485
01:14:58,880 --> 01:15:03,559
Speaker 3: you get and the play book is so comprehensive. You

1486
01:15:03,600 --> 01:15:06,720
Speaker 3: can't you can't look at a playbook and say, Wow,

1487
01:15:06,760 --> 01:15:07,840
Speaker 3: they're never gonna throw to me.

1488
01:15:08,280 --> 01:15:09,439
Speaker 1: That's not the way it works.

1489
01:15:10,120 --> 01:15:12,799
Speaker 3: You get a game plan and you may think, Okay,

1490
01:15:12,840 --> 01:15:13,840
Speaker 3: they're not gonna throw to me.

1491
01:15:14,280 --> 01:15:19,120
Speaker 1: But a playbook it's too voluminous, it's huge, so it's got.

1492
01:15:18,920 --> 01:15:19,960
Speaker 4: Everything under the sun.

1493
01:15:20,000 --> 01:15:22,360
Speaker 2: There's no way to look at that and discern I'm

1494
01:15:22,400 --> 01:15:23,400
Speaker 2: not part of the plan.

1495
01:15:23,320 --> 01:15:26,120
Speaker 3: Now if they got into it, especially when you're the

1496
01:15:26,200 --> 01:15:30,760
Speaker 3: number one option in the passing game exactly. Yeah, So

1497
01:15:30,840 --> 01:15:33,800
Speaker 3: I doubt that it had anything to do with the playbook. So,

1498
01:15:35,160 --> 01:15:37,280
Speaker 3: just because of what we're saying, we.

1499
01:15:37,280 --> 01:15:38,280
Speaker 4: Got to take a break here.

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01:15:38,320 --> 01:15:40,720
Speaker 2: But Bill in Rochester, Frank in Rochester will lead us

1501
01:15:40,720 --> 01:15:42,720
Speaker 2: off when we return. More your phone calls next here

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01:15:42,720 --> 01:15:44,960
Speaker 2: on one Bill's Live presented by Collide Health. It's Buffalo

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01:15:45,040 --> 01:16:01,559
Speaker 2: Bill's Radio. All right back here, I want Bill's Live. First,

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01:16:01,600 --> 01:16:04,280
Speaker 2: Brown Steve Jasper with you, and we want to get

1505
01:16:04,280 --> 01:16:04,760
Speaker 2: back to the.

1506
01:16:04,720 --> 01:16:06,479
Speaker 4: Phones where we are asking you.

1507
01:16:06,439 --> 01:16:08,519
Speaker 2: Now that mini camp is in the books, in weight

1508
01:16:08,640 --> 01:16:10,719
Speaker 2: training camp five and a half to six weeks away.

1509
01:16:11,439 --> 01:16:13,080
Speaker 4: Is there anything you're still wondering about?

1510
01:16:13,360 --> 01:16:15,519
Speaker 2: With the Bills fired off at us at eight h

1511
01:16:15,560 --> 01:16:18,000
Speaker 2: three zero five fifty one eight eight five fifty two

1512
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Speaker 2: five fifty. Then I'm going to get on board open

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Speaker 2: lines for you there, but we lead off with Bill

1514
01:16:22,000 --> 01:16:22,639
Speaker 2: in Rochester.

1515
01:16:22,760 --> 01:16:24,960
Speaker 4: Here, what do you got Bill?

1516
01:16:25,120 --> 01:16:27,880
Speaker 16: Hi, Christmas, Steve, thanks for taking my call. Sure, yeah,

1517
01:16:27,920 --> 01:16:29,920
Speaker 16: I am wondering, as I think most of our Bills

1518
01:16:29,960 --> 01:16:33,439
Speaker 16: fans still are about what the heck happened yesterday? And

1519
01:16:33,479 --> 01:16:36,880
Speaker 16: it's like forty years of this. We've got the best

1520
01:16:36,920 --> 01:16:40,400
Speaker 16: fan base in the entire league, and we've gone to

1521
01:16:40,560 --> 01:16:44,000
Speaker 16: this with minus zero to win show factors of minus

1522
01:16:44,000 --> 01:16:46,320
Speaker 16: twenty six with the Jets game, back of that January

1523
01:16:47,840 --> 01:16:50,680
Speaker 16: story upon story, of all of the support we've had

1524
01:16:50,680 --> 01:16:53,000
Speaker 16: of this team. Now it's at the point where we've

1525
01:16:53,000 --> 01:16:55,720
Speaker 16: got I think the best combination of players that love

1526
01:16:55,760 --> 01:16:58,719
Speaker 16: each other, and all of a sudden, here we go again.

1527
01:16:58,800 --> 01:17:02,360
Speaker 16: We got another bad penny showing up, and it's we

1528
01:17:02,439 --> 01:17:07,840
Speaker 16: just don't need one more iota of disruption, and here

1529
01:17:07,880 --> 01:17:11,040
Speaker 16: we are like six months later since the Cincinnati game,

1530
01:17:11,520 --> 01:17:14,880
Speaker 16: and uh and Diggs has some problem going on with

1531
01:17:15,400 --> 01:17:18,640
Speaker 16: his mind. Who the heck knows what it is. And

1532
01:17:19,280 --> 01:17:21,800
Speaker 16: the players and the fans have always said if you

1533
01:17:21,840 --> 01:17:24,120
Speaker 16: had a bad play, get over it, you know, going

1534
01:17:24,200 --> 01:17:27,080
Speaker 16: to the next play, and he's just it seems like

1535
01:17:27,120 --> 01:17:29,880
Speaker 16: he can't make that step. He's bringing down the team,

1536
01:17:30,360 --> 01:17:33,160
Speaker 16: and I think everybody is wondering what the heck happened.

1537
01:17:33,280 --> 01:17:37,000
Speaker 16: So that's pretty much my two sets. I'm really disappointed

1538
01:17:37,360 --> 01:17:39,840
Speaker 16: in him. I don't think he's a team player. He's

1539
01:17:39,880 --> 01:17:43,920
Speaker 16: a great player, but he's really setting us back. And

1540
01:17:44,040 --> 01:17:47,760
Speaker 16: is this going to happen again in septembers? Let me

1541
01:17:47,800 --> 01:17:48,720
Speaker 16: just hope it comes to light.

1542
01:17:48,920 --> 01:17:53,960
Speaker 3: Let me just alleviate your your fears and concerns and concerns.

1543
01:17:54,960 --> 01:17:57,200
Speaker 3: This is not a big deal. It is not a

1544
01:17:57,200 --> 01:17:59,880
Speaker 3: big deal. He's not distracting the team, he's not dragging

1545
01:18:00,200 --> 01:18:03,599
Speaker 3: down He's not a distraction. He's not a me guy.

1546
01:18:03,680 --> 01:18:08,000
Speaker 3: He's not he's not a selfish guy. None of that

1547
01:18:08,160 --> 01:18:11,559
Speaker 3: is the case. And I know too that when all

1548
01:18:11,600 --> 01:18:13,519
Speaker 3: of us were left wondering what was going on when

1549
01:18:13,520 --> 01:18:15,160
Speaker 3: he didn't show up, and then we found out later

1550
01:18:15,200 --> 01:18:18,000
Speaker 3: he was excused all the stuff that has happened since then,

1551
01:18:18,400 --> 01:18:20,120
Speaker 3: it kind of blewed.

1552
01:18:19,920 --> 01:18:20,360
Speaker 1: Out of the water.

1553
01:18:20,400 --> 01:18:23,320
Speaker 3: But we were all left there speculating and all kinds,

1554
01:18:23,320 --> 01:18:26,120
Speaker 3: And I mean, it's what the internet does best. It's

1555
01:18:26,160 --> 01:18:29,040
Speaker 3: a full get carried away, right, And that's what happened.

1556
01:18:29,040 --> 01:18:30,760
Speaker 1: So this is not.

1557
01:18:31,520 --> 01:18:36,440
Speaker 3: Any of the fearful scenarios that you've just outlined.

1558
01:18:37,240 --> 01:18:37,840
Speaker 1: That's all I can.

1559
01:18:37,840 --> 01:18:41,120
Speaker 2: Say, and all I'll add to that because I don't

1560
01:18:41,120 --> 01:18:46,080
Speaker 2: think it's been said enough. I think he's when these

1561
01:18:46,120 --> 01:18:50,439
Speaker 2: things take place, I think they're somewhat misunderstood in terms

1562
01:18:50,520 --> 01:18:56,000
Speaker 2: of his motivation. There might not be another player on

1563
01:18:56,080 --> 01:18:59,400
Speaker 2: the roster with as much of a burning passion to

1564
01:18:59,479 --> 01:19:03,400
Speaker 2: win the whole damn thing more than Stefan Diggs. And

1565
01:19:04,680 --> 01:19:08,000
Speaker 2: I'm not going to pretend to know how he handled

1566
01:19:08,000 --> 01:19:09,839
Speaker 2: these things and if he did it in the exact

1567
01:19:10,000 --> 01:19:15,640
Speaker 2: best way, but his intentions are good. I'm confident of that.

1568
01:19:16,680 --> 01:19:19,360
Speaker 2: How he handled them. We can debate those every every

1569
01:19:19,439 --> 01:19:24,200
Speaker 2: day until Sunday. But this guy has a burning passion

1570
01:19:24,720 --> 01:19:28,479
Speaker 2: to win a championship and if he feels he needs

1571
01:19:28,560 --> 01:19:32,960
Speaker 2: to bring uncomfortable conversations up because he believes the outcome

1572
01:19:33,000 --> 01:19:34,280
Speaker 2: will make everybody better.

1573
01:19:34,800 --> 01:19:36,599
Speaker 4: He has the courage to have.

1574
01:19:36,560 --> 01:19:41,080
Speaker 2: Those conversations instead of sitting idly by and watching the

1575
01:19:41,160 --> 01:19:44,920
Speaker 2: results be not good enough, which have been which unfortunately

1576
01:19:44,960 --> 01:19:47,360
Speaker 2: has been the case each of the last three years.

1577
01:19:47,720 --> 01:19:52,120
Speaker 2: He's trying to enact change for the better here, even

1578
01:19:52,760 --> 01:19:55,080
Speaker 2: at the expense of him being painted in a poor

1579
01:19:55,120 --> 01:20:01,280
Speaker 2: light publicly. So in my estimation, that takes some courage.

1580
01:20:01,439 --> 01:20:03,800
Speaker 2: And he let's not forget he's a team captain. He

1581
01:20:03,800 --> 01:20:07,880
Speaker 2: was voted by his teammates to do that, and leadership

1582
01:20:07,920 --> 01:20:11,880
Speaker 2: speaks up when something needs to be said. Again, I'm

1583
01:20:11,880 --> 01:20:13,920
Speaker 2: not gonna pretend to know if it was handled the

1584
01:20:14,000 --> 01:20:17,120
Speaker 2: right way or not, but I will say it again,

1585
01:20:17,160 --> 01:20:20,840
Speaker 2: I think his intentions were pure in terms of what's

1586
01:20:20,920 --> 01:20:23,479
Speaker 2: best for the team and its future going forward. So

1587
01:20:23,600 --> 01:20:25,519
Speaker 2: I don't share your concerns.

1588
01:20:25,160 --> 01:20:28,840
Speaker 3: Right I you know, in the in the context of

1589
01:20:28,880 --> 01:20:32,920
Speaker 3: the way we've been saying it, I'm I'm much more

1590
01:20:32,960 --> 01:20:35,400
Speaker 3: comforted by it than I have been because we've we've

1591
01:20:35,439 --> 01:20:40,080
Speaker 3: talked about how you know, and and some people will say, well,

1592
01:20:40,160 --> 01:20:42,080
Speaker 3: you know, it's the same old, same old thing. Well

1593
01:20:42,080 --> 01:20:46,439
Speaker 3: that's exactly why a guy like Steph speaks up. I

1594
01:20:46,439 --> 01:20:48,639
Speaker 3: ain't doing this again like we did it. We're gonna

1595
01:20:48,640 --> 01:20:51,479
Speaker 3: do it different. We're gonna do it better. Even if

1596
01:20:51,520 --> 01:20:53,920
Speaker 3: everything looks the same, there's gonna be either different. There's

1597
01:20:53,960 --> 01:20:56,200
Speaker 3: gonna be some differences that are gonna make the difference.

1598
01:20:57,240 --> 01:21:00,160
Speaker 3: That's when you guys like this speak up. And I've

1599
01:21:00,200 --> 01:21:03,720
Speaker 3: said it today a lot. I think this is these

1600
01:21:03,840 --> 01:21:06,080
Speaker 3: kind of incidents and these conversations that we've heard of.

1601
01:21:06,320 --> 01:21:08,599
Speaker 3: Although we have no idea what this conversation was about,

1602
01:21:09,479 --> 01:21:13,360
Speaker 3: but in general, difficult conversations happen when you're trying to grow,

1603
01:21:14,320 --> 01:21:16,280
Speaker 3: when you're trying to take it to another level, either

1604
01:21:16,320 --> 01:21:20,400
Speaker 3: a relationship, a family matter, or a business relationship or

1605
01:21:20,400 --> 01:21:27,920
Speaker 3: a business deal. Difficult conversations advance you. And that's what

1606
01:21:29,120 --> 01:21:31,000
Speaker 3: this is what I see here, right.

1607
01:21:31,200 --> 01:21:35,280
Speaker 2: And Steve's been part of professional sports team locker room dynamics.

1608
01:21:36,080 --> 01:21:38,719
Speaker 2: He knows what goes on in there, and these kinds

1609
01:21:38,720 --> 01:21:42,280
Speaker 2: of conversations do happen, and they may happen again, and

1610
01:21:42,320 --> 01:21:44,160
Speaker 2: you shouldn't be as concerned then either.

1611
01:21:44,240 --> 01:21:48,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, you may not ever hear about other difficult conversations

1612
01:21:48,080 --> 01:21:50,240
Speaker 3: that happen or have happened. This one happens to be

1613
01:21:50,280 --> 01:21:53,320
Speaker 3: at a time when all of a sudden, Steph disappears

1614
01:21:53,320 --> 01:21:58,840
Speaker 3: because Sean sends him home. And you know these guys,

1615
01:21:58,880 --> 01:22:02,280
Speaker 3: it doesn't sit well with guys like Steph and Josh

1616
01:22:02,360 --> 01:22:05,679
Speaker 3: and Mitch Morse and Micah and Jordan Poyer. It doesn't

1617
01:22:05,720 --> 01:22:07,880
Speaker 3: sit well with him when their season ends like it

1618
01:22:07,920 --> 01:22:09,400
Speaker 3: has the last couple three years.

1619
01:22:09,680 --> 01:22:11,719
Speaker 2: And if he sit well, yeah, and if he feels

1620
01:22:11,720 --> 01:22:16,599
Speaker 2: like there's any aspect of how they're doing things, that's

1621
01:22:16,640 --> 01:22:18,800
Speaker 2: probably not gonna help them get to where they want

1622
01:22:18,800 --> 01:22:21,840
Speaker 2: to go. He's gonna he's If he's not gonna demand change,

1623
01:22:21,880 --> 01:22:23,560
Speaker 2: he's at least gonna ask questions.

1624
01:22:24,080 --> 01:22:27,360
Speaker 4: And maybe that's all it was. Maybe he's just asking questions.

1625
01:22:27,400 --> 01:22:29,360
Speaker 4: He needed some clarity on some subjects.

1626
01:22:29,880 --> 01:22:32,559
Speaker 2: Coach McDermott, Josh, whoever was talking to him, gave him

1627
01:22:32,560 --> 01:22:33,160
Speaker 2: the right answers.

1628
01:22:33,160 --> 01:22:33,680
Speaker 4: And there you are.

1629
01:22:34,280 --> 01:22:36,360
Speaker 2: Let's go back to the phones and to Ryan and Albany.

1630
01:22:36,400 --> 01:22:37,200
Speaker 2: What do you got fors Ryan?

1631
01:22:38,320 --> 01:22:39,200
Speaker 5: How you doing? Guys?

1632
01:22:39,240 --> 01:22:39,920
Speaker 1: Good? Good?

1633
01:22:40,400 --> 01:22:40,639
Speaker 6: Good?

1634
01:22:40,840 --> 01:22:44,160
Speaker 5: My I think the offense that's gonna be fine. My

1635
01:22:44,400 --> 01:22:48,760
Speaker 5: problem is the defense side of the ball. Even back

1636
01:22:48,800 --> 01:22:53,000
Speaker 5: to the AFC Championship game when we lost the Bengals game,

1637
01:22:53,160 --> 01:22:57,719
Speaker 5: just giving the wide receivers, too much free space ten yards,

1638
01:22:57,760 --> 01:23:00,360
Speaker 5: you know, the quarterbacks playing way off. Don't know if

1639
01:23:00,400 --> 01:23:03,400
Speaker 5: that was Frazer or McDermott, but I'd like to see

1640
01:23:03,400 --> 01:23:05,200
Speaker 5: them jam with some guys on the line knocking some

1641
01:23:05,240 --> 01:23:09,040
Speaker 5: of the quarterback timing off just not free eight yard

1642
01:23:09,160 --> 01:23:13,559
Speaker 5: passes and just just three yards. I don't know if

1643
01:23:13,600 --> 01:23:15,760
Speaker 5: you guys see it or is just me, or if

1644
01:23:15,800 --> 01:23:17,640
Speaker 5: it's every game, but I'd just like to see a

1645
01:23:17,640 --> 01:23:20,559
Speaker 5: little more of physicality at the line with the getting

1646
01:23:20,640 --> 01:23:23,240
Speaker 5: knocking their wide receivers, you know, off their lines a

1647
01:23:23,280 --> 01:23:23,680
Speaker 5: little bit.

1648
01:23:24,040 --> 01:23:26,559
Speaker 3: Yeah, I get you right, And we've talked about this

1649
01:23:26,600 --> 01:23:27,320
Speaker 3: too on the show.

1650
01:23:27,360 --> 01:23:30,360
Speaker 1: Some you look back at the Bills.

1651
01:23:31,120 --> 01:23:33,840
Speaker 3: You know, in the recent history under Sean McDermott and

1652
01:23:33,880 --> 01:23:36,920
Speaker 3: their playoff losses. You know, they they dropped a sixteen

1653
01:23:36,920 --> 01:23:38,559
Speaker 3: point lead in the second half of the Houston game

1654
01:23:38,560 --> 01:23:41,000
Speaker 3: when they first when they first got back to the playoffs,

1655
01:23:41,800 --> 01:23:45,360
Speaker 3: and you know, the thirteen second game, and then last

1656
01:23:45,400 --> 01:23:51,160
Speaker 3: year in the stinker they laid against Cincinnati. This is

1657
01:23:52,439 --> 01:23:55,519
Speaker 3: you know, it's a team that and it's always you know,

1658
01:23:55,600 --> 01:23:57,880
Speaker 3: we say, wow, the defense should have played better, not okay,

1659
01:23:57,920 --> 01:24:01,320
Speaker 3: but the things you're describing the easy eight yard passes

1660
01:24:01,360 --> 01:24:05,080
Speaker 3: that you're describing ninety five percent of the National Football

1661
01:24:05,120 --> 01:24:09,760
Speaker 3: League defenses. It's a different kind of game these days,

1662
01:24:09,800 --> 01:24:13,360
Speaker 3: and certainly in the playoffs, you're not playing against a

1663
01:24:13,400 --> 01:24:15,800
Speaker 3: team that struggles offensively in this day and age. You

1664
01:24:15,880 --> 01:24:18,880
Speaker 3: used to do that back in the day, But when

1665
01:24:18,920 --> 01:24:21,240
Speaker 3: you get into the divisional round and the championship round

1666
01:24:21,240 --> 01:24:23,720
Speaker 3: of the NFL playoffs these days, you're dealing with a

1667
01:24:23,800 --> 01:24:28,320
Speaker 3: guy that can sling it almost exclusively, and so you

1668
01:24:28,400 --> 01:24:30,920
Speaker 3: got to play defense differently than you do when you

1669
01:24:31,320 --> 01:24:33,639
Speaker 3: than if you were playing Bob Greasy and Larry Zonka

1670
01:24:33,640 --> 01:24:37,960
Speaker 3: and Mercury Morris. It's a little different animal, and I

1671
01:24:38,040 --> 01:24:41,439
Speaker 3: get it. It's and sometimes it's really frustrating. But we've

1672
01:24:41,479 --> 01:24:43,920
Speaker 3: heard a little bit of this refrain in a show

1673
01:24:44,200 --> 01:24:46,519
Speaker 3: in some of our callers where they look and they

1674
01:24:46,520 --> 01:24:48,479
Speaker 3: look back and say the defense was just too timid,

1675
01:24:48,600 --> 01:24:50,880
Speaker 3: and they point to the thirteen second game where they,

1676
01:24:51,120 --> 01:24:53,479
Speaker 3: you know, the three consecutive plays of twenty yards and

1677
01:24:53,560 --> 01:24:56,240
Speaker 3: all that stuff, and they say, that's what did it

1678
01:24:55,960 --> 01:25:02,439
Speaker 3: is playing too conservatively, maybe, but we gotta wait and

1679
01:25:02,479 --> 01:25:04,599
Speaker 3: see how Sean mcdermot's gonna call this defense and how

1680
01:25:04,600 --> 01:25:07,240
Speaker 3: they're gonna play with this group of guys because all

1681
01:25:07,240 --> 01:25:09,479
Speaker 3: those playoff losses were even if you point to the

1682
01:25:09,479 --> 01:25:11,200
Speaker 3: defense in every single one of them, which I don't

1683
01:25:11,200 --> 01:25:15,000
Speaker 3: think he can, but even if you do, every one

1684
01:25:15,040 --> 01:25:18,400
Speaker 3: of those games is different than every other game. So

1685
01:25:18,439 --> 01:25:20,639
Speaker 3: you got to you gotta play the game that day.

1686
01:25:20,680 --> 01:25:22,639
Speaker 3: And I'll say it again, I'm gonna say it through

1687
01:25:22,640 --> 01:25:24,840
Speaker 3: this season. You gotta play well on that day, and

1688
01:25:24,880 --> 01:25:26,280
Speaker 3: that means on both sides of the ball.

1689
01:25:27,080 --> 01:25:30,960
Speaker 1: So we're not gonna solve.

1690
01:25:30,680 --> 01:25:37,080
Speaker 3: Any problems here in June that are gonna pop their

1691
01:25:37,120 --> 01:25:38,840
Speaker 3: heads up in February.

1692
01:25:39,200 --> 01:25:43,519
Speaker 2: But to your but to your question specifically, I think

1693
01:25:43,560 --> 01:25:48,080
Speaker 2: Sean McDermott, as the defensive play caller, is going to

1694
01:25:48,120 --> 01:25:52,360
Speaker 2: be more aggressive and is going to press receivers at

1695
01:25:52,400 --> 01:25:56,439
Speaker 2: the line of scrimmage more often number one, because he

1696
01:25:56,479 --> 01:26:00,360
Speaker 2: doesn't like giving up free yards. And number two, he's

1697
01:26:00,400 --> 01:26:03,040
Speaker 2: got the players that can do it. He's got a

1698
01:26:03,080 --> 01:26:07,519
Speaker 2: healthy Trudavius White, He's got Kaye Elim Christian Benford, who

1699
01:26:07,560 --> 01:26:10,760
Speaker 2: are guys that can all play pressman coverage. He's even

1700
01:26:10,800 --> 01:26:14,200
Speaker 2: got Dan Jackson, who's probably better I pressed than he

1701
01:26:14,280 --> 01:26:19,120
Speaker 2: is in zone. So you've got guys more than capable

1702
01:26:19,160 --> 01:26:22,799
Speaker 2: of executing that, and you've got a coach that clearly

1703
01:26:22,840 --> 01:26:25,719
Speaker 2: wants to make a greater impact in the splash play

1704
01:26:25,760 --> 01:26:26,800
Speaker 2: area of defense.

1705
01:26:27,880 --> 01:26:31,320
Speaker 4: You be aggressive, you get rewarded. So it wouldn't shock

1706
01:26:31,439 --> 01:26:33,200
Speaker 4: me if we saw a.

1707
01:26:33,360 --> 01:26:37,400
Speaker 2: Change in approach, not every week, but certainly in a

1708
01:26:37,520 --> 01:26:40,800
Speaker 2: timely This is the right moment to be aggressive type

1709
01:26:40,800 --> 01:26:43,640
Speaker 2: of way, and I hope that makes sense. We do

1710
01:26:43,720 --> 01:26:46,240
Speaker 2: have to take a break here, One final segment to go.

1711
01:26:46,320 --> 01:26:48,160
Speaker 2: We'll try to get some phone calls in when we return.

1712
01:26:48,200 --> 01:26:50,080
Speaker 2: Here on One Bill's Live, presented by Colia Health.

1713
01:26:50,080 --> 01:27:03,520
Speaker 9: It's Buffalo Bill's Radio.

1714
01:27:04,960 --> 01:27:06,960
Speaker 2: All right, One final segment here on One Bill's Live.

1715
01:27:07,000 --> 01:27:08,000
Speaker 2: On a Thursday.

1716
01:27:08,040 --> 01:27:09,880
Speaker 4: Back to the phones at the Pete in Buffalo. What

1717
01:27:09,880 --> 01:27:10,680
Speaker 4: do you got Pete?

1718
01:27:11,400 --> 01:27:15,719
Speaker 13: Yeah, Hi, thank you. I wasn't planning on calling because

1719
01:27:15,720 --> 01:27:17,880
Speaker 13: I'm getting over a cold and my voice is a mess.

1720
01:27:17,920 --> 01:27:20,880
Speaker 13: But I have to defend Diggs. The guy has three

1721
01:27:20,960 --> 01:27:26,360
Speaker 13: hundred over three hundred catches, almost four thousand yards, thirty touchdowns,

1722
01:27:26,720 --> 01:27:28,639
Speaker 13: and I can't believe people want to run him out

1723
01:27:28,640 --> 01:27:32,480
Speaker 13: of town. You know, I was thinking back in the nineties,

1724
01:27:32,520 --> 01:27:35,720
Speaker 13: after two years, people wanted to run molds out of

1725
01:27:35,760 --> 01:27:39,080
Speaker 13: town and he's probably the second best receiver in Bill's history.

1726
01:27:39,720 --> 01:27:43,000
Speaker 13: Read too. He got hurt in a playoff game and

1727
01:27:43,160 --> 01:27:45,840
Speaker 13: people were calling in on the radio after he didn't

1728
01:27:45,880 --> 01:27:49,080
Speaker 13: play that game and they were calling him gauntless. That's

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Speaker 13: the best receiver in Bill's history. So you know how

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01:27:51,960 --> 01:27:53,760
Speaker 13: many good players are we going to run out of

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01:27:53,800 --> 01:27:56,639
Speaker 13: town here? You can throw Marshawn Lynch into that as well.

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Speaker 13: So that's really all I had to say.

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Speaker 3: What don and I agree with you one hundred percent.

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01:28:02,439 --> 01:28:06,280
Speaker 3: You're right, But every player goes through a moment like that,

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01:28:06,720 --> 01:28:10,400
Speaker 3: most players do. People were all over Jim Kelly when

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01:28:10,439 --> 01:28:12,519
Speaker 3: he first got here and it wasn't going well at first,

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01:28:12,520 --> 01:28:14,280
Speaker 3: and he was yelling and screaming at guys on the

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01:28:14,320 --> 01:28:19,720
Speaker 3: sideline hard. And you know, people didn't like Bruce. He

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01:28:19,760 --> 01:28:21,960
Speaker 3: didn't like Bruce, didn practice or wasn't in the in

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Speaker 3: training camp or whatever. Bruce had his run ins with it.

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Speaker 3: Andre certainly did Eric Moles. As you mentioned, almost every

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01:28:28,640 --> 01:28:31,679
Speaker 3: player you can name had moments or times when people

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01:28:31,720 --> 01:28:35,240
Speaker 3: were like mad at him. It's what it's kind of

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01:28:35,280 --> 01:28:38,120
Speaker 3: what you sign up for as a pro. And what

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01:28:38,160 --> 01:28:39,960
Speaker 3: you have to remember is these guys are really good.

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01:28:39,960 --> 01:28:43,160
Speaker 3: They're they're Steph Diggs is talking to Sean McDermott and

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01:28:43,280 --> 01:28:46,400
Speaker 3: Josh Allen and Brandon Bean and his teammates and his

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01:28:46,520 --> 01:28:49,880
Speaker 3: receiver room, his quarterback, everybody. He's talking to his teammates

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Speaker 3: and the guys in the building. All of us are

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Speaker 3: allowed sort of to listen in a little bit of

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Speaker 3: it and watch what happens, but the conversations are private,

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01:28:59,720 --> 01:29:02,680
Speaker 3: and the acid test should be in always this. If

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01:29:02,680 --> 01:29:04,840
Speaker 3: his teammates love him and his coaches love him and

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01:29:04,840 --> 01:29:08,439
Speaker 3: they want him around, take their advice, keep him around.

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Speaker 1: And I get it.

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Speaker 3: We're all mad at each other once in a while,

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Speaker 3: but that's kind of what we all sign up for

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Speaker 3: when we love a sports team like we do.

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Speaker 2: That'll do it for a Thursday edition to One Bill's Live.

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Speaker 2: We'll be back here tomorrow at one and on the

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Speaker 2: show with us, we'll be PFF's Trevor Sikkima. We'll see

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Speaker 2: on Thursday or today's Thursday. We'll see on Friday.