WEBVTT - Maseo of De La Soul 0:00:00.240 --> 0:00:21.120 The Quest Loft Show is a production of iHeartRadio. What's 0:00:21.239 --> 0:00:24.239 Up everybody? Welcome back to The Quest Loft Show. And 0:00:24.280 --> 0:00:25.920 a few weeks back, I did a one on one 0:00:26.000 --> 0:00:29.160 episode with Pasta News of Daila Soul, the legendary day 0:00:29.200 --> 0:00:31.160 La Soul, and I want to thank you all for 0:00:31.160 --> 0:00:34.000 the comments and the shares and the likes and all 0:00:34.040 --> 0:00:37.320 those reviews. You know, as I stated, I always wanted 0:00:37.320 --> 0:00:41.560 to have Maco on for his own episode. And here 0:00:41.600 --> 0:00:45.240 we are in iHeart Studios in New York making good 0:00:45.600 --> 0:00:48.480 on that promise. Over the next few weeks, we're doing 0:00:48.520 --> 0:00:51.440 something a little different here on the show. We've teamed 0:00:51.479 --> 0:00:55.160 up with Levi's and they're behind every original campaign for 0:00:55.200 --> 0:00:58.920 a series of special conversations, and honestly, the name says 0:00:58.960 --> 0:01:02.400 it all. We're talking to artists who charted their own path. 0:01:03.000 --> 0:01:07.160 People didn't wait for permission, didn't follow the blueprint, especially 0:01:07.200 --> 0:01:09.880 when things got hard, and came out the other side 0:01:09.959 --> 0:01:14.920 having left an actual indelible mark on the culture. Levi's 0:01:14.959 --> 0:01:17.199 has been the uniform for people like that for over 0:01:17.240 --> 0:01:21.160 one hundred and fifty years now. Extraordinary people who built 0:01:21.200 --> 0:01:24.400 their whole career on their own terms. It only makes 0:01:24.440 --> 0:01:26.720 sense that Levi's would be behind this. 0:01:26.800 --> 0:01:26.959 Two. 0:01:27.000 --> 0:01:29.520 Shout out to Levi's for doing this. This is a 0:01:29.600 --> 0:01:32.880 first of three conversations we're going to have called making 0:01:33.400 --> 0:01:37.360 of an Original and Dovetail perfectly and to my plans 0:01:37.400 --> 0:01:41.480 to speak with Maco as a producer, DJ and bigger 0:01:41.480 --> 0:01:45.959 than life personality, a living hip hop legend. Maco and 0:01:46.000 --> 0:01:48.920 his group are self made and we're here to talk 0:01:49.720 --> 0:01:53.600 about De La Soul and much more. Plug three Maco, 0:01:53.920 --> 0:01:56.440 my cousin Vinny, Welcome to the quest Love. 0:01:56.320 --> 0:01:59.400 Show my brother what goes on the intro? 0:01:59.560 --> 0:02:00.000 Thank you. 0:02:00.120 --> 0:02:04.960 There's a lot that you've done pioneered, just as yourself 0:02:05.040 --> 0:02:09.959 in this group that most people don't acknowledge. One is 0:02:10.000 --> 0:02:13.480 that the idea of the DJ actually having a voice 0:02:13.480 --> 0:02:17.760 on wax. You know, Furious five would address flash Flash 0:02:17.800 --> 0:02:18.320 two times. 0:02:18.320 --> 0:02:19.440 You just hear the band gooff. 0:02:19.600 --> 0:02:24.280 Public Enemy famously made terminator ex silent I later found 0:02:24.320 --> 0:02:26.359 out because he has the nerdiest voice of all time. 0:02:26.560 --> 0:02:28.880 That was one of the corner of the smartest. 0:02:28.720 --> 0:02:34.240 You said it not me, that's my man, Yeah right, yes, 0:02:35.000 --> 0:02:37.680 one of the greatest nerds of all time. You know, 0:02:38.440 --> 0:02:42.919 your contributions to the group like DJs didn't have equal 0:02:43.000 --> 0:02:45.280 my time. I mean, of course in the nineties, of 0:02:45.320 --> 0:02:47.760 course Pete Rock would do certain you know, people that 0:02:47.800 --> 0:02:51.000 would produce and rhyme at the same time. But it 0:02:51.080 --> 0:02:54.360 was it wasn't novelty, but it was almost like the 0:02:54.440 --> 0:02:56.600 DJ's allowed to rhyme too, Like the DJ was just 0:02:56.600 --> 0:02:59.480 supposed to be in the background scratch. Here's the thing. 0:03:00.639 --> 0:03:05.360 So I noticed on doing our Own Thing and on 0:03:05.440 --> 0:03:11.880 Peace Parts, you have some of the greatest intro stanzas 0:03:12.840 --> 0:03:15.840 and it never finishes. Because even last night I was 0:03:15.840 --> 0:03:17.760 listening to doing our Own Thing on the Jungle Brothers 0:03:17.800 --> 0:03:20.959 album and it's like me plug three. I was like, 0:03:20.960 --> 0:03:25.480 I baby, and after all the buddy, there's nothing else. 0:03:25.320 --> 0:03:29.400 I know, like Africa wrote that the mons for me too, okay, 0:03:29.480 --> 0:03:32.440 But even on Peace Parts, it was just like four lines. 0:03:32.520 --> 0:03:36.480 But in my head, I'm like, now, yes, legitimately you 0:03:36.520 --> 0:03:39.520 know afric connections and let me in all that stuff. 0:03:40.120 --> 0:03:42.800 You went deeper into it. But yeah, I was gonna say, 0:03:42.800 --> 0:03:45.200 why was your intro so short? Like did you not 0:03:45.320 --> 0:03:47.280 protest that I don't get at sixteen like the rest 0:03:47.280 --> 0:03:47.800 of you guys. 0:03:47.880 --> 0:03:49.960 Or first of all, I never really liked my voice. 0:03:50.880 --> 0:03:54.320 I really didn't. Honestly, you see it at that time too. 0:03:55.080 --> 0:03:59.560 Every time I would speak Africa q tip even pasta, 0:03:59.560 --> 0:04:02.320 it was like, oh man, you need the rhyme, you 0:04:02.360 --> 0:04:04.920 need the rhyme. And then also pass hurt me on 0:04:05.000 --> 0:04:08.800 some earlier stuff before we became a group, right when 0:04:08.840 --> 0:04:11.600 I was a part of another group. Okay, I just 0:04:11.600 --> 0:04:14.480 never really cared for my voice, but it was because 0:04:14.520 --> 0:04:17.160 you think you sound goofy. Yeah I think I sound but. 0:04:17.080 --> 0:04:20.160 You know I hate my voice too and didn't rhyme 0:04:20.240 --> 0:04:22.640 since the do you want more days? All right? So 0:04:22.680 --> 0:04:25.400 I'm the nerd that not only studies the records, but 0:04:25.440 --> 0:04:29.080 I also study the critical claim you get because I 0:04:29.120 --> 0:04:34.240 love journalism as well. And what I remember distinctively about 0:04:34.400 --> 0:04:37.760 the five Mic review of day Lot Soul Is Dead 0:04:38.680 --> 0:04:42.240 was them saying and goddamn like Macyo's rhyme and his 0:04:42.360 --> 0:04:47.080 ass off for me and Toka like what and it 0:04:47.240 --> 0:04:49.320 just so happens like that was one of the earliest 0:04:49.320 --> 0:04:53.240 examples of like and now I'm getting leaked way earlier 0:04:53.240 --> 0:04:56.960 than it should have. So somehow we had a connection 0:04:57.080 --> 0:04:59.960 to get day Los Soul is Dead like months beforehand. 0:05:00.520 --> 0:05:02.640 And actually you guys didn't know who we were like 0:05:02.640 --> 0:05:06.720 you did a trip to Philly and were performing it. 0:05:06.800 --> 0:05:09.159 We were like saying all the lyrics and you guys 0:05:09.200 --> 0:05:10.800 even look at us like, how do you guys know 0:05:10.880 --> 0:05:11.159 this shit? 0:05:11.279 --> 0:05:11.479 I was. 0:05:13.320 --> 0:05:17.080 So yeah, But I mean for you though, was it 0:05:17.120 --> 0:05:19.640 hard to talk you into taking so much? 0:05:20.600 --> 0:05:22.200 Versus one day I sould is dead? 0:05:22.320 --> 0:05:25.920 Or the people around me gave me confidence? I think 0:05:25.960 --> 0:05:30.120 I was surrounded around a strong set of him sees 0:05:30.960 --> 0:05:35.080 that saw something in me that I didn't see in myself. Okay, 0:05:35.200 --> 0:05:38.800 the way we all supported one another, you know, you 0:05:38.880 --> 0:05:41.680 felt the need to take heed. Why is he saying 0:05:41.680 --> 0:05:44.200 this or why is she saying this? There's something I 0:05:44.200 --> 0:05:47.080 think I need to be listening to because no one's 0:05:47.120 --> 0:05:50.119 really making fun of me. No one's they actually really 0:05:50.240 --> 0:05:53.360 taking these years and taking me seriously. So let me 0:05:53.600 --> 0:05:56.280 step into it, especially when I'm I feel like I'm 0:05:56.320 --> 0:06:00.680 being guided about by real credible You. 0:06:00.640 --> 0:06:04.359 Know, when you're doing your vocals, are you cutting? Like 0:06:04.400 --> 0:06:07.000 when I do that ship it's like Michael Jackson style. 0:06:07.000 --> 0:06:08.880 I want to I want to guard in front of me. 0:06:09.160 --> 0:06:11.520 I want to be in the dark. I want no 0:06:11.560 --> 0:06:13.440 one watching me. I want everyone out of the room. 0:06:13.560 --> 0:06:16.960 In the very beginning a lot of forty ounces. 0:06:18.600 --> 0:06:20.000 And it's coconut water. 0:06:22.839 --> 0:06:23.600 Was the courage? 0:06:23.839 --> 0:06:30.000 Okay? And then oh wait, you're talking about forty I 0:06:30.040 --> 0:06:31.279 was just playing this in the background. 0:06:31.320 --> 0:06:34.440 I think that forty was the courage. Really yeah, like 0:06:34.520 --> 0:06:37.920 you know, alcohol lessons and in ambitions, because. 0:06:37.880 --> 0:06:41.640 I did, I did wonder because the thing was, it 0:06:41.680 --> 0:06:46.560 was like I think because I have so much respect 0:06:47.000 --> 0:06:51.159 for Tarik as a wordsmith, and whenever people ask, like, yo, man, 0:06:51.240 --> 0:06:53.559 you you did like two verses on the first record, 0:06:53.560 --> 0:06:55.960 and then what happened And in my mind it was 0:06:56.040 --> 0:07:01.360 just like Tarik was so advanced math in his craft. 0:07:01.880 --> 0:07:03.240 I didn't want to insult that. 0:07:04.279 --> 0:07:06.400 I feel the same way, and I was like, you're 0:07:06.560 --> 0:07:08.320 nentwering God for the craft. 0:07:08.360 --> 0:07:10.880 But the thing is is that your word playing all 0:07:10.880 --> 0:07:15.080 that stuff, like especially on like with Afro Connections and 0:07:15.360 --> 0:07:15.920 let Me In. 0:07:16.720 --> 0:07:19.160 You kept up with them like it was an abstract rhyme. 0:07:19.200 --> 0:07:20.440 And I believe. 0:07:20.480 --> 0:07:24.160 Dress from Black Sheep helped me out let me In. Nice. 0:07:24.400 --> 0:07:27.080 I can't take full credit for all of that. Dave 0:07:27.200 --> 0:07:32.400 also helped me with my second verse on Afro connect Africnnection, Okay, 0:07:32.800 --> 0:07:36.120 but I think being around them a lot just rubbed 0:07:36.120 --> 0:07:41.080 off being in the whole native tongue wave of all 0:07:41.160 --> 0:07:43.760 the MC's that was around at that time. Especially that 0:07:43.840 --> 0:07:47.000 was also a time period I was I was hanging 0:07:47.040 --> 0:07:49.640 out with Grand Pooba a lot, okay, and Poob was 0:07:49.640 --> 0:07:51.800 putting the battery in my back as well. He's like, 0:07:51.880 --> 0:07:54.480 make you need the rhyme. And if Grand Pooba is 0:07:54.520 --> 0:07:56.600 telling you that, come on, man. 0:07:56.520 --> 0:07:59.760 Got you, got you? You know, especially with hip hop vin, 0:08:00.640 --> 0:08:03.960 A lot of your verses in your terms are now 0:08:04.160 --> 0:08:07.720 kind of in the roots every day vernacular. 0:08:07.960 --> 0:08:10.120 Like to this day, when I'm trying to duck. 0:08:10.000 --> 0:08:16.840 Somebody, I will respond, eog Passa is doing the producing, which. 0:08:18.200 --> 0:08:19.880 Yo, so this journalist is out here. 0:08:19.920 --> 0:08:21.760 No no, no, no, I'm like Passua is doing the producing. 0:08:22.440 --> 0:08:25.560 We probably drop. 0:08:26.000 --> 0:08:29.120 Shields, no hills, no bills, no, like oho, man, Like 0:08:29.280 --> 0:08:33.120 we probably stopped doing that maybe like right before phrenology, 0:08:33.280 --> 0:08:36.200 our expression of like oh shit, it's like, oh damn, 0:08:36.200 --> 0:08:38.680 shild hills, no bills, no. Like a lot of the 0:08:38.720 --> 0:08:44.199 things that you probably wouldn't think caught on to your 0:08:44.200 --> 0:08:47.720 fan base, Like a lot of that shit just became 0:08:48.360 --> 0:08:51.240 like our every day vernacular. But you nor your voice 0:08:51.280 --> 0:08:55.360 was awesome, man, and it gave me encouragement, like, oh 0:08:55.400 --> 0:08:57.320 so I just don't have to shut up and play ball, 0:08:57.440 --> 0:08:59.280 Like I don't just have to do the music. 0:08:59.320 --> 0:09:02.760 You said that to me on a video you made 0:09:02.920 --> 0:09:09.680 for my birthday. Yeah. I really appreciated that. I really 0:09:09.720 --> 0:09:10.160 really did. 0:09:10.240 --> 0:09:10.680 It was true. 0:09:10.760 --> 0:09:12.160 It had meant a lot to me. 0:09:12.400 --> 0:09:15.160 That gave a lot of us confidence, of those that 0:09:15.520 --> 0:09:17.840 didn't think they had a voice or any of that stuff. 0:09:18.600 --> 0:09:19.640 Where were you born? 0:09:20.280 --> 0:09:24.280 I was born in Brooklyn, Bedford Stoveson. Okay, same hospital 0:09:24.280 --> 0:09:26.439 as Michael Jordan, Mike Tyson. 0:09:26.880 --> 0:09:27.880 Okay, Okay. 0:09:28.120 --> 0:09:28.880 Yeah. 0:09:28.920 --> 0:09:34.480 It's weird because I think on first look, we would 0:09:34.760 --> 0:09:37.480 look to you. I always thought you were the oldest 0:09:37.480 --> 0:09:40.200 member of Day Last Soul, and it turns out you 0:09:40.240 --> 0:09:41.680 literally are the baby. 0:09:42.040 --> 0:09:46.160 The baby. What was your house environment? 0:09:46.280 --> 0:09:50.560 Like a single parent home, pretty volatile environment. I've been 0:09:50.640 --> 0:09:52.840 robbed in my childhood, so a big part of my 0:09:54.200 --> 0:09:57.000 childhood is doing what we do for a living. 0:09:57.200 --> 0:09:57.400 Right. 0:09:57.480 --> 0:10:01.760 This has been my dream since I started conceiving this thing. 0:10:02.679 --> 0:10:05.200 I could say, did you have siblings or no? 0:10:05.520 --> 0:10:07.959 One brother? One brother he's younger than I see you, 0:10:08.160 --> 0:10:10.960 old brother. Yeh, I'm the older brother. So that's another. 0:10:12.280 --> 0:10:13.080 Were you the leader. 0:10:13.200 --> 0:10:15.240 Yeah, pretty much, having to take care of my brother, 0:10:15.760 --> 0:10:19.560 helping my mother out in different scenarios, you know. But yeah, 0:10:20.000 --> 0:10:24.199 I turned in. My nineteen seventy seven was when I 0:10:24.240 --> 0:10:28.839 actually saw this thing up close. And I used to 0:10:28.880 --> 0:10:32.480 get a big will every summer. Yeah, I used to 0:10:32.480 --> 0:10:36.640 get a big will every summer, and seventy eight I 0:10:36.640 --> 0:10:38.680 didn't want a big will. I wanted a DJ mixer. 0:10:39.520 --> 0:10:41.760 And I had got a DJ mixer for my birthday 0:10:41.800 --> 0:10:47.040 and it was a sparsonic up and down okay fader. Yeah, yeah, 0:10:47.120 --> 0:10:49.760 I was the first thing I gotten, and my uncle 0:10:49.800 --> 0:10:56.840 helped me put two component stereos together. My first my 0:10:56.840 --> 0:11:00.440 first DJ set was the component set with the if 0:11:00.480 --> 0:11:05.640 the automatic uh little belt nothing. My slip match was 0:11:06.160 --> 0:11:09.280 other records. No, it was other records along with the 0:11:10.240 --> 0:11:14.880 wax from the Chinese restaurant with the wax paper smart 0:11:14.960 --> 0:11:21.000 from the Chinese Restaurantkay. So the grease on the yeah 0:11:21.040 --> 0:11:24.040 it will helped me slide the records. And also, you know, 0:11:24.240 --> 0:11:27.000 you played records longer back then, so due to the 0:11:27.040 --> 0:11:29.560 fact that I have no pitch control, I would play 0:11:29.600 --> 0:11:33.880 records around the same tempo and kind of drag them 0:11:34.360 --> 0:11:37.000 or push them a little because I had the wax 0:11:37.080 --> 0:11:39.720 paper just so I could get the mix in on time. 0:11:40.000 --> 0:11:44.720 But yeah, so okay, most people who are not Bronx 0:11:44.800 --> 0:11:50.360 born that come on the show, I always asked them about, 0:11:50.400 --> 0:11:52.880 like as far as their hip hop experiences are concerned, 0:11:52.920 --> 0:11:55.520 because I think, to the outside world, not one of 0:11:55.559 --> 0:11:58.760 them people. I thought hip hop was just a Bronx 0:11:58.840 --> 0:12:02.840 thing and a Bronx thing like Brooklyn, Long Island stat 0:12:02.920 --> 0:12:04.439 like none of them were doing what they were doing 0:12:04.480 --> 0:12:06.960 in the Bronx. But I later found out that that's 0:12:07.000 --> 0:12:11.160 not the case. Like where would you see these block parties? 0:12:11.160 --> 0:12:12.840 And who was the DJ of? 0:12:13.160 --> 0:12:15.920 What was your come to Jesus moment? My coming to 0:12:16.000 --> 0:12:20.880 Jesus moment? Handcocked between Marsy and no String, right in 0:12:20.920 --> 0:12:25.120 the streets of Brooklyn two thirty one Handcock Street. They 0:12:25.160 --> 0:12:30.439 came one day, these DJs. I learned it was DJ's 0:12:30.480 --> 0:12:33.199 that day. These guys were just on my block till 0:12:33.240 --> 0:12:36.360 they started bringing this equipment out this one summer. And 0:12:36.400 --> 0:12:40.480 this was the summer after the blackout. Okay, the summer 0:12:40.640 --> 0:12:42.280 do you remember the blackout of the New York I 0:12:42.320 --> 0:12:44.840 remember the blackout in New York. I was scared as hell. 0:12:45.120 --> 0:12:46.360 Yeah, how long? 0:12:46.440 --> 0:12:49.400 How long did it last week? It was a couple 0:12:49.480 --> 0:12:51.160 of days. I can't even really remember. It was a 0:12:51.200 --> 0:12:54.440 few days. Oh yeah, yeah, more than twenty four hours. Yeah, 0:12:54.440 --> 0:12:57.480 it was more than twenty four hours. I remember Williamsburg 0:12:57.640 --> 0:13:01.640 getting destroyed to shit around that time. Remember a long 0:13:01.679 --> 0:13:04.000 time Williamsburg was underdeveloped. 0:13:04.040 --> 0:13:06.559 Williamsburg is where date Night is for me. 0:13:06.800 --> 0:13:09.800 Now, But back then it was a desolate area you 0:13:09.920 --> 0:13:12.520 didn't want to be around, no time of day or night. 0:13:12.920 --> 0:13:13.800 The people live there. 0:13:13.800 --> 0:13:16.840 It was just like prior to the blackout. Yeah, it 0:13:16.880 --> 0:13:20.040 was businesses and everything, but when the blackout hit, it 0:13:20.080 --> 0:13:23.920 was completely destroyed, destroyed, when I tell you destroyed it. 0:13:23.920 --> 0:13:27.720 It was desolate nothing over there. You weren't even scared 0:13:27.760 --> 0:13:31.920 to take the train through there. It's nothing because I 0:13:32.040 --> 0:13:35.199 never heard people give shot out Williams. See Williamsburg to 0:13:35.240 --> 0:13:37.760 get turned around, like, trust me, A lot of what 0:13:37.840 --> 0:13:40.400 I see in Brooklyn these days are very shocking to me. 0:13:40.960 --> 0:13:43.320 You know, even now as you go through yeah, Fort Green, 0:13:43.920 --> 0:13:46.480 to see people over there, the greatest pancakes ever. 0:13:46.679 --> 0:13:50.079 Yo, see people over there with baby carriages and families 0:13:50.120 --> 0:13:52.920 and all of that. It wasn't that back then. Rol 0:13:53.440 --> 0:13:56.600 Fort Green a lot of people got ptst from Fort Green, 0:13:57.360 --> 0:14:00.280 you know, you know, but these was areas that were 0:14:00.920 --> 0:14:02.280 not so nice back then. 0:14:02.720 --> 0:14:05.240 So did you ever live in Long Island? Yeah, I moved. 0:14:05.280 --> 0:14:08.120 I moved to Long Island when I was fourteen. I 0:14:08.160 --> 0:14:12.760 had a huge fight in Brooklyn. And the last place 0:14:12.800 --> 0:14:14.880 I lived before I moved to Long Island was in 0:14:14.920 --> 0:14:19.480 Bushwick with my grandmother. And I grew up with Bushwick 0:14:19.480 --> 0:14:24.040 Bill a little bit too. Yeah, so he's from That's 0:14:24.040 --> 0:14:26.360 how he got his name. He's from Bushwick, Brooklyn. I 0:14:26.720 --> 0:14:29.680 knew that, yeah, okay, okay, And he went to Bushwick 0:14:29.720 --> 0:14:32.400 High School and he used to also hang out with 0:14:32.440 --> 0:14:38.080 these Zulu cats called Zulu Savages. It was a chapter 0:14:38.120 --> 0:14:41.160 of Zulu that was called Zulu Savages. They basically was 0:14:41.200 --> 0:14:45.280 the underworld for a Zulu nation. Okay, with the earners, 0:14:45.520 --> 0:14:48.880 you know, but for the most part I had gotten 0:14:48.920 --> 0:14:52.280 to a big fight with one of them dudes name 0:14:52.400 --> 0:14:56.360 his name was Mario, and everybody was pretty much scared 0:14:56.360 --> 0:14:59.040 as dude. I was scared of his dude. But the 0:14:59.080 --> 0:15:02.480 debo of kind of sort of what but he was 0:15:03.240 --> 0:15:08.400 a Napoleon de Boat short people, short but with a 0:15:08.440 --> 0:15:11.440 heart like a shop you know, and he was a 0:15:11.480 --> 0:15:13.480 supreme bully around this time. I had to have been 0:15:13.600 --> 0:15:19.080 like twelve, twelve thirteen. At this point, I was on 0:15:19.240 --> 0:15:21.680 my way to becoming a bit of a tyrant myself 0:15:21.680 --> 0:15:25.520 because I had some issues that turned me left, you know. 0:15:26.160 --> 0:15:27.840 So it was no more in terms of you had 0:15:27.840 --> 0:15:28.560 to protect yourself. 0:15:28.600 --> 0:15:30.240 Yeah, I had to protect myself, so it was no 0:15:30.320 --> 0:15:33.320 more bullying mace. I used to go to I used 0:15:33.320 --> 0:15:37.200 to go to bed Star Boxing Association. I used to 0:15:37.200 --> 0:15:40.120 go to Pao, so I'll started developing my hands. I 0:15:40.120 --> 0:15:42.640 also start getting familiar with the little weapons and all 0:15:42.680 --> 0:15:43.040 that I hear. 0:15:43.080 --> 0:15:46.680 And that for you though, as the oldest now, usually 0:15:46.720 --> 0:15:50.080 like around my way, if you went outside or whatever, 0:15:50.960 --> 0:15:55.080 very equivalent of wait till your father gets home is always, well, 0:15:55.080 --> 0:15:55.720 I'm gonna get. 0:15:55.560 --> 0:15:58.520 My brother to fuck you up or my cousin to 0:15:58.560 --> 0:15:59.120 fuck you up. 0:15:59.160 --> 0:16:01.600 Like there's some people that always protected, but when you're 0:16:01.600 --> 0:16:02.840 the oldest one, like did. 0:16:02.720 --> 0:16:04.920 You not have I don't got nobody to go home 0:16:04.920 --> 0:16:05.480 to for that. 0:16:05.800 --> 0:16:06.280 Yikes. 0:16:06.560 --> 0:16:08.040 OK So it was on and. 0:16:08.000 --> 0:16:11.600 Cracking every time I lived in a fight or flight 0:16:11.880 --> 0:16:12.280 a lot. 0:16:12.800 --> 0:16:13.840 You know, it's traumatic. 0:16:14.080 --> 0:16:17.200 Yeah, okay, so yeah it was one fight I had 0:16:17.520 --> 0:16:20.320 with this dude Mario that by the grace of God, 0:16:20.400 --> 0:16:23.360 I came out on top. You know, years went by. 0:16:23.720 --> 0:16:26.600 That was the fight that got me to Long Island. 0:16:27.200 --> 0:16:29.920 My mother was like, my mother wrote a letter. My 0:16:29.960 --> 0:16:32.200 mother grew up a foster child most of her life, 0:16:32.560 --> 0:16:36.480 so yeah, my mom ended up writing her foster parents 0:16:36.960 --> 0:16:40.920 and her foster father and telling him the story. And 0:16:41.000 --> 0:16:44.520 I end up finding a letter later. But come the 0:16:44.640 --> 0:16:47.280 end of that summer, after that fight, because it was 0:16:47.320 --> 0:16:49.960 a really big thing, everybody was like my nickname at 0:16:49.960 --> 0:16:53.000 the time, to anybody from Brooklyn that calls me fat man, 0:16:53.240 --> 0:16:56.520 know me, really knows me? Okay, yeah, yeah, they were 0:16:56.560 --> 0:16:59.320 like fat he having a fight, fat fighting Mario fat 0:16:59.360 --> 0:17:02.320 fight married and that was a really big thing. Everybody 0:17:02.400 --> 0:17:05.879 was coming out their house and I just happened to 0:17:06.520 --> 0:17:09.159 I was scared. I don't know, he had to been 0:17:09.240 --> 0:17:12.199 much older. It just he appeared to be older, so 0:17:12.240 --> 0:17:15.719 I don't really know. I was all but thirteen. And 0:17:15.760 --> 0:17:17.760 then it was all over a centipede game. 0:17:18.720 --> 0:17:21.240 Dude, it's always over video games. 0:17:21.320 --> 0:17:23.480 Yeah. Yeah, this was one of the days. I was 0:17:24.560 --> 0:17:27.440 having a great day. I was killing it this day. 0:17:27.600 --> 0:17:31.119 Any other time I'm losing I'm killing it on this quarter, 0:17:31.200 --> 0:17:34.399 this day, getting a free man every time. All that, 0:17:34.920 --> 0:17:37.160 and he came over and he was like, yo, hurry 0:17:37.240 --> 0:17:39.680 up and get up off of this, and I looked 0:17:39.720 --> 0:17:41.280 at him like he was just crazy, and I just 0:17:41.359 --> 0:17:44.280 kept playing. I'm rocking the stores watching me play. You know, 0:17:44.359 --> 0:17:48.040 when you got having a good one, everybody's rallying around. Yo. 0:17:48.400 --> 0:17:51.879 He came over a few more minutes later and he 0:17:52.000 --> 0:17:56.400 pulled the plug. Instinctively, I just pushed him, like, what 0:17:56.440 --> 0:17:59.560 the fuck are you doing. I didn't mean to push him, 0:17:59.560 --> 0:18:02.320 but that it was an instinct, like fuck is on 0:18:02.400 --> 0:18:05.119 your mind? And then we started going at it, and 0:18:05.160 --> 0:18:07.399 he pulled out like a spike belt. He got a 0:18:07.400 --> 0:18:10.320 spike belt on. He wrapped around, swung on me. I 0:18:10.440 --> 0:18:12.840 caught it. Next thing, you know, I'm on him. The 0:18:12.920 --> 0:18:16.520 hands I was earning the last two summers came to 0:18:16.600 --> 0:18:19.200 life and I was lighting his ass up, and everybody 0:18:19.240 --> 0:18:23.320 was like, yo, fat man's fucking up Marrio and they sure, 0:18:23.440 --> 0:18:27.600 everybody was sure that, Like I just felt like I 0:18:27.640 --> 0:18:30.440 had a victory that day. But everybody was like, yo, 0:18:30.520 --> 0:18:32.879 he got to get out of here. He's got to 0:18:32.920 --> 0:18:34.720 get it, because they felt like and then he was 0:18:34.760 --> 0:18:36.720 gonna come back and murder me, you know what I mean. 0:18:37.040 --> 0:18:40.080 Because they were on that type of time Bushwick. Bill 0:18:40.280 --> 0:18:42.360 used to God rest his soul. He used to tell 0:18:42.400 --> 0:18:44.760 his story all the time, but he used to tell 0:18:44.760 --> 0:18:47.760 his story differently. He would tell his story all the 0:18:47.840 --> 0:18:50.240 time because Bill thought I went to school with him, 0:18:50.560 --> 0:18:52.960 and it didn't happened at Bushwick High School. I lived 0:18:52.960 --> 0:18:54.760 in the neighborhood, but I didn't go. 0:18:54.680 --> 0:18:58.680 To be beating the school bully or the counic neighborhood 0:18:58.680 --> 0:18:59.680 bully got around. 0:18:59.720 --> 0:19:01.760 Bill was around every day. Like we all played in 0:19:01.800 --> 0:19:05.439 Bushwick Park. So we either played softball or we played 0:19:05.760 --> 0:19:08.679 we played softball, we played basketball, or we was on 0:19:08.720 --> 0:19:11.320 the swings and all of that on the other side, 0:19:11.400 --> 0:19:13.600 you know, back then the swings used to be used 0:19:13.640 --> 0:19:16.200 to kind of you know, the swings was a real 0:19:16.240 --> 0:19:21.040 thing back then. Yeah, I'm busting my skull a few 0:19:21.080 --> 0:19:25.240 times doing that ship. But yeah, that was the park 0:19:25.320 --> 0:19:27.800 and we would play until they cut the lights off 0:19:27.800 --> 0:19:28.200 in the park. 0:19:28.280 --> 0:19:31.480 Do you have a fond memory of growing up that 0:19:31.480 --> 0:19:32.399 neighborhood as well? 0:19:32.520 --> 0:19:35.520 Or the only best memories I could say I had 0:19:35.720 --> 0:19:39.640 was getting up in the morning early mornings and everybody 0:19:39.640 --> 0:19:43.000 going to find each other to either play softball, stickball 0:19:43.640 --> 0:19:48.280 or basketball and kid or yeah, I was a Skelly 0:19:48.359 --> 0:19:51.680 kid also, I was a Skelly Skelley was Those were 0:19:51.720 --> 0:19:57.400 my best moments until somebody did something stupid till somebody 0:19:57.440 --> 0:20:00.320 it was either somebody in my crew or some somebody 0:20:00.359 --> 0:20:02.159 who's coming to mess with my crew, you know. 0:20:03.000 --> 0:20:07.280 Yeah, So when you get to Long Island, like what 0:20:07.440 --> 0:20:10.800 is your are you rejecting to this or is it 0:20:10.920 --> 0:20:13.000 like you just put them in and what are you thinking? 0:20:13.080 --> 0:20:15.040 Like it's like out there Long Island for you. 0:20:15.720 --> 0:20:19.359 I didn't know what to expect living out there. We 0:20:19.480 --> 0:20:22.240 used to go visit when I was younger, so I 0:20:22.320 --> 0:20:24.800 kind of knew where we were going, you know, I 0:20:24.880 --> 0:20:27.040 knew it was. I felt like a world or yeah, 0:20:27.040 --> 0:20:30.520 it felt country. It felt very southern like, you know, 0:20:30.560 --> 0:20:32.639 it felt like you were going down south. That's what 0:20:32.760 --> 0:20:35.760 Long Island used to feel like. Okay, you know, although 0:20:35.800 --> 0:20:38.639 it was maybe but an hour ride, but as a 0:20:38.680 --> 0:20:41.440 kid at that time, that seemed so funny forever. Yeah, 0:20:41.520 --> 0:20:44.520 and you get out there's grass, trees, crickets. We were 0:20:44.600 --> 0:20:47.679 even barely picking up kiss up bls. You know. My 0:20:47.920 --> 0:20:50.480 uncle had an FM booster for us to even pick 0:20:50.560 --> 0:20:55.960 up radio like that, you know, yeah, it was super quiet. 0:20:56.320 --> 0:20:58.480 And then also I dealt with the new kid in 0:20:58.560 --> 0:21:02.119 town issue. You know, I'm dealing what do you have 0:21:02.160 --> 0:21:04.159 to do to get there? A whole another level of 0:21:04.240 --> 0:21:08.119 bullying that I'm dealing with, the same thing, just a 0:21:08.160 --> 0:21:11.919 different environment. But now I got some new skills. I 0:21:11.960 --> 0:21:14.600 got some skills out and came with and then I 0:21:14.640 --> 0:21:18.960 also learned quickly. Around that time period, wrestling was a 0:21:18.960 --> 0:21:23.159 big thing on Long Island, not boxing. I had an 0:21:23.160 --> 0:21:29.199 advantage on a lot of cats because They're coming and 0:21:29.240 --> 0:21:33.320 I'm tapping, and I'm tapping two different fighting styles going on. 0:21:34.080 --> 0:21:37.520 So I'm coming up and learning people learning about me 0:21:37.720 --> 0:21:43.160 really quick. Other other behind fighting, playing basketball or DJing 0:21:43.440 --> 0:21:44.320 eventually music. 0:21:44.400 --> 0:21:59.359 Yeah, what do you think your first musical memory was? 0:22:00.080 --> 0:22:02.960 Your first time that you remember hearing music or like 0:22:04.240 --> 0:22:05.520 it having an effect on you. 0:22:05.960 --> 0:22:08.879 My earliest memory of it having an effect on me, 0:22:09.280 --> 0:22:14.320 and I muna say DJing more specifically than than just music. 0:22:14.560 --> 0:22:17.680 Dj had an effect on me when my mom used 0:22:17.680 --> 0:22:20.800 to date this guy from the from the I think 0:22:20.800 --> 0:22:23.600 he was from the bronxaw A, Harlem and he had 0:22:23.640 --> 0:22:26.640 a daughter and she was actually much older than us 0:22:27.400 --> 0:22:32.120 and her boyfriend Rick. I remember Rick to this day, 0:22:32.720 --> 0:22:35.880 and he had a DJ set. He had a DJ 0:22:36.000 --> 0:22:40.199 set and I was so fascinated with DJ in for 0:22:40.280 --> 0:22:44.199 some time, but I could never touch anybody's set. I 0:22:44.240 --> 0:22:48.320 also had. I had an uncle who had a DJ equipment. 0:22:48.359 --> 0:22:50.760 He wouldn't let me touch it. So it was Rick 0:22:50.840 --> 0:22:53.520 who let me touch his equipment for the very first time, 0:22:53.560 --> 0:22:56.680 and for some reason, for the very very first time 0:22:56.760 --> 0:22:58.959 I touched it, I knew what I was doing. And 0:22:59.000 --> 0:23:02.680 the record I was cutting up was Captain Scott Super Spun, 0:23:02.920 --> 0:23:05.719 Super Sprung. Okay, yeah, that was the first one I 0:23:05.760 --> 0:23:08.639 got to touch that one and Frisco Disco. Those are 0:23:08.680 --> 0:23:10.080 the two records I really remember. 0:23:10.240 --> 0:23:13.320 Like, how would you know I need two copies of 0:23:13.320 --> 0:23:15.640 Frisco Disco, like pre year career. 0:23:15.440 --> 0:23:19.760 Like it's what I saw. I didn't even have those records. 0:23:19.760 --> 0:23:24.080 It was already with the guys that I was studying 0:23:24.200 --> 0:23:29.080 at that time. Okay, whether it was Rick, ron C Loki, 0:23:29.600 --> 0:23:32.080 these are the guys that was in the neighborhood. 0:23:32.119 --> 0:23:34.239 Well, the reason why I'm asking is all right, So 0:23:34.400 --> 0:23:37.880 a great example is James Brown. Okay, so let's take 0:23:37.880 --> 0:23:40.960 the good Foot, Now, Get on the Good Foot comes 0:23:41.000 --> 0:23:45.400 out in seventy two and is a genuine hit, And. 0:23:45.240 --> 0:23:47.800 That wasn't popping in Brooklyn. That's what's crazy. 0:23:47.920 --> 0:23:51.840 What I'm saying is that even the period in which 0:23:52.280 --> 0:23:54.560 James Brown is trying to sell us on the original 0:23:54.600 --> 0:23:57.280 disco man and get up off that thing, like the 0:23:57.359 --> 0:24:01.320 Mustache era James Brown, hip hop is still staying in 0:24:01.400 --> 0:24:07.479 between seventy or sixty eighty, right, But it's not like 0:24:07.520 --> 0:24:10.720 you guys had a network or texting, Like, how would 0:24:10.800 --> 0:24:14.480 you guys know this song will never die? Like, as 0:24:14.480 --> 0:24:20.280 far as I'm concerned, Goodfood never died ever in since 0:24:20.320 --> 0:24:23.480 it's it's released in seventy two. But like, does someone 0:24:23.520 --> 0:24:25.159 tell you, like you got to pick the records that 0:24:25.240 --> 0:24:28.159 have at least a good break in it or a breakdown. 0:24:27.720 --> 0:24:30.919 Or by the time I got really got into James Brown, 0:24:31.680 --> 0:24:36.280 it was behind listening to Mally Okay, it was just 0:24:36.400 --> 0:24:37.320 rhyming with BIZ. 0:24:37.520 --> 0:24:41.560 I think what I'm asking you is, did it seem old? 0:24:42.000 --> 0:24:42.080 Like? 0:24:42.160 --> 0:24:45.520 Okay, it's nineteen eighty two, eighty three, I don't know 0:24:45.560 --> 0:24:48.760 if you're thirteen fourteen like starting to DJ and I'm 0:24:48.800 --> 0:24:51.639 reaching for a record from nineteen seventy two. Like for me, 0:24:52.560 --> 0:24:57.480 it took King Britt once brought a DJ muro to 0:24:57.560 --> 0:25:01.600 Philadelphia from Japan, and when he pulls out his records 0:25:01.600 --> 0:25:03.760 and I'm looking, I'm like, wait, my dad has these 0:25:03.800 --> 0:25:05.600 records in his thing, Like why is he spending this? 0:25:06.080 --> 0:25:10.359 Like I couldn't grasp that this roy Eras record and 0:25:10.359 --> 0:25:13.680 this Commodore's records from seventy four was going to work. 0:25:13.720 --> 0:25:15.399 I didn't know about the rhythm kitchen, and I know 0:25:15.440 --> 0:25:18.359 about giant steps like the idea of nostalgia culture, but 0:25:19.200 --> 0:25:23.200 even in pre eighty five moments like it isn't that 0:25:23.359 --> 0:25:26.320 once seem odd? That wait, why are we going back 0:25:27.240 --> 0:25:30.960 fifteen twenty years to play stuff for us instead of 0:25:31.880 --> 0:25:33.200 I mean, what was popping in eighty three? 0:25:33.320 --> 0:25:35.720 Oh? Did you ever touch the nineteen ninety nine record? 0:25:35.800 --> 0:25:39.480 Or right right, I get your point. I didn't touch 0:25:39.520 --> 0:25:40.480 anything current. 0:25:40.640 --> 0:25:43.520 I was going like, at least with sampling, then it's like, okay, 0:25:44.600 --> 0:25:47.680 I see the connection. But without even the context of sampling, 0:25:48.320 --> 0:25:51.480 did not seem odd to you that even in the eighties, 0:25:51.520 --> 0:25:53.679 I'm playing a song from like nineteen seventy seven and 0:25:53.720 --> 0:25:54.960 it still works, or. 0:25:55.400 --> 0:25:58.080 I didn't connect with it like that. Then I was 0:25:58.800 --> 0:26:03.440 really going on of what I was taught in my environment. 0:26:04.200 --> 0:26:06.600 So it was innately a part of me, and I 0:26:06.600 --> 0:26:09.280 didn't know nothing to wise her. I knew and my 0:26:09.440 --> 0:26:12.879 mom through some parties here and there. So these was 0:26:12.920 --> 0:26:16.959 also records that was in her collection as well, records 0:26:17.000 --> 0:26:19.320 that she would have when she's cleaning up the house. 0:26:19.840 --> 0:26:22.320 So it was just a part of me like that 0:26:22.359 --> 0:26:24.600 where I just knew it would work because it was 0:26:25.240 --> 0:26:27.119 it was working in her little parties, you know what 0:26:27.119 --> 0:26:27.400 I mean? 0:26:27.520 --> 0:26:31.359 Like, how old were you when you did your first. 0:26:31.600 --> 0:26:35.120 My first party? You're gonna You're gonna twelve? I was twelve. 0:26:35.240 --> 0:26:37.840 Where was mother's house woman party? We had moved the 0:26:37.840 --> 0:26:40.320 Crown Heights. We moved the Crown Heights. This is the 0:26:40.359 --> 0:26:43.440 first time we had lived in something really nice. And 0:26:43.480 --> 0:26:46.000 we lived on President Street. Actually I lived a couple 0:26:46.040 --> 0:26:49.119 of doors down from Stephanie Mills. Really, she wasn't no 0:26:49.160 --> 0:26:51.720 longer living there because she was doing the wiz. Her 0:26:51.760 --> 0:26:55.280 parents were there, gotcha, And well it's crazy. Ben Marine's 0:26:55.359 --> 0:26:58.119 daughter had lived down the other corner. Yeah, it was crazy. 0:26:58.160 --> 0:27:02.080 I lived on President Streets between Albany and Troy and 0:27:02.200 --> 0:27:05.359 Stephanie lived a little more close to Albany and bember 0:27:05.440 --> 0:27:08.159 Ring's daughter a little more closer to Troy on the 0:27:08.160 --> 0:27:11.520 other side of the street. But yeah, my mother's housewarming 0:27:11.560 --> 0:27:15.080 party and on President Street, and it was whoever the 0:27:15.160 --> 0:27:19.359 DJ was. He let me get on and I was rocking, 0:27:19.400 --> 0:27:21.800 and he was dancing with some girl like right, because 0:27:21.840 --> 0:27:24.200 this is when the music would be in one room 0:27:24.280 --> 0:27:26.320 with all the lights on and the speakers is out 0:27:26.720 --> 0:27:29.120 with everybody else, so nobody knew this twelve year old 0:27:29.320 --> 0:27:33.399 was playing. You know, So I'm playing and I remember 0:27:33.440 --> 0:27:36.680 the record that I really got off was Do I Do? 0:27:37.320 --> 0:27:42.359 By Steven That the way I dropped it. I will 0:27:42.400 --> 0:27:45.040 never forget that moment. My mother came and took a 0:27:45.040 --> 0:27:46.800 picture of me. I was standing on a milk crate 0:27:46.840 --> 0:27:52.440 out of a white, white, white collar shirt. It was crazy. 0:27:52.840 --> 0:27:57.080 Is there anything like the adrenaline of when you play 0:27:57.119 --> 0:28:01.000 the right record and motherfuckers go ah. 0:28:00.800 --> 0:28:04.480 Man, that's some of the best feelings ever. Sometimes the 0:28:04.560 --> 0:28:07.600 time it takes to even build that out, you know, 0:28:08.400 --> 0:28:11.359 you hope and that it'll have the impact that you 0:28:11.480 --> 0:28:13.879 think it's gonna have when you when you're trying to 0:28:13.880 --> 0:28:16.560 put it together and yeah, that's some of the best 0:28:16.560 --> 0:28:17.560 feelings in the world. 0:28:17.640 --> 0:28:19.960 I used to be amateur hour with it. Like when 0:28:19.960 --> 0:28:23.919 I first really started doing it professionally, I would just go. 0:28:23.840 --> 0:28:26.240 H h h h hit hit it and be like. 0:28:26.200 --> 0:28:29.840 Ah, oh, yeah, it's cool, he's killing it. 0:28:29.920 --> 0:28:33.640 And then like I realized, I overstimulated them. So then 0:28:33.680 --> 0:28:36.840 I had to learn like the art of highs and lows, 0:28:37.640 --> 0:28:39.760 Like a record like don't stop till you get enough, 0:28:39.760 --> 0:28:43.240 which you know, should you know, provoke like some sort 0:28:43.280 --> 0:28:46.440 of orgasmic scream. It's almost better if it comes from 0:28:46.480 --> 0:28:50.080 something that is lesser, so that it feels. 0:28:49.840 --> 0:28:51.320 It's feels much bigger later. 0:28:51.520 --> 0:28:54.240 So for you, in your all your years of DJing, 0:28:55.040 --> 0:28:59.479 what is your preferred starting record? 0:29:00.920 --> 0:29:03.000 Do you start with a monster? Do you build to 0:29:03.080 --> 0:29:06.720 a monster? I build to a monster. I like, I 0:29:06.840 --> 0:29:11.680 come from the eerror of sound system culture, so there's 0:29:11.720 --> 0:29:14.800 always been like a build up. You know. I actually 0:29:14.800 --> 0:29:18.640 started from being the DJ who actually brought the equipment 0:29:18.720 --> 0:29:23.880 in and packed it up. So yeah, I had Yeah, 0:29:23.920 --> 0:29:28.600 so you know that beginning of the night, it was 0:29:28.680 --> 0:29:34.960 always something monotone, slow, something to warm everybody up. You know, 0:29:35.360 --> 0:29:38.440 I'm warming up as they warming up, you know, I'll 0:29:38.480 --> 0:29:42.000 play for the people at the Bark more than I'm 0:29:42.000 --> 0:29:47.560 playing for whoever's rallying around the and your yeah, pretty much. 0:29:48.280 --> 0:29:50.479 Me and another DJ I would share this with, and 0:29:51.280 --> 0:29:54.959 his name was mister Bugs, and he he and I 0:29:55.000 --> 0:29:58.720 we had a great relationship because he would play most 0:29:58.720 --> 0:30:00.360 of the time. He would play the reggae and I 0:30:00.360 --> 0:30:03.719 would play the American music. What would make it eventful 0:30:04.080 --> 0:30:06.720 is when we would switch out and they'd be like, oh, 0:30:06.880 --> 0:30:10.959 Mason's playing reggae tonight. So that would be the performance 0:30:11.000 --> 0:30:13.920 part that everybody would be like, Wow, these guys are 0:30:13.920 --> 0:30:17.240 switching out tonight. He's playing reggae and he's playing American music. 0:30:17.280 --> 0:30:19.480 And then then I would They would call me Yankee 0:30:19.520 --> 0:30:26.280 Bear and all kinds of Jamaican dudes, all these titles 0:30:26.400 --> 0:30:30.800 Yankee Bell, Yankee Ball, bumba clod. 0:30:31.960 --> 0:30:33.560 What is so? 0:30:33.680 --> 0:30:34.600 What if? 0:30:34.760 --> 0:30:35.400 Right now? 0:30:35.600 --> 0:30:37.080 What is for you? 0:30:37.160 --> 0:30:41.320 The Bulletproof will Never Fail opening song for you? 0:30:42.360 --> 0:30:45.520 The Bulletproof opening song. I can't even say that, man, 0:30:45.560 --> 0:30:46.160 I don't even. 0:30:46.160 --> 0:30:50.600 See for me murder, she wrote, will never die? 0:30:50.880 --> 0:30:54.240 Okay if not, I don't know, especially now where it's 0:30:54.280 --> 0:30:56.760 like different generations and I don't know who I'm entertaining. 0:30:57.080 --> 0:30:59.240 I could be entertaining a bunch of rich cats. I 0:30:59.240 --> 0:31:02.720 could be entertained around the way people kids today, people 0:31:02.760 --> 0:31:06.680 that know who the roots are. Whatever Murdercy wrote at 0:31:06.760 --> 0:31:09.960 least buys me five minutes to figure out. Well, for 0:31:10.040 --> 0:31:12.479 one thing, it's like, I assuming you subscribe by the 0:31:12.480 --> 0:31:15.520 theory that women rule the dance for like, if they're 0:31:15.600 --> 0:31:18.240 dancing to it, then you know it's good. Yeah, that 0:31:18.400 --> 0:31:20.960 song for me will forever work, and then that'll buy 0:31:20.960 --> 0:31:24.080 me enough time to figure out where I go. What 0:31:24.240 --> 0:31:28.280 is a has never failed me once, never failed me, 0:31:28.440 --> 0:31:31.200 never failed me, Like I gotta wake this party up? 0:31:31.400 --> 0:31:37.200 Uh, never failed me. Galaxy by War has never failed me. 0:31:38.120 --> 0:31:41.000 Whether I started the party with it or I mixed 0:31:41.040 --> 0:31:43.920 it in, it's just the way it even starts off 0:31:43.960 --> 0:31:45.520 with the. 0:31:47.000 --> 0:31:48.400 Are you playing the intro and everything? 0:31:48.440 --> 0:31:51.400 Yeah, yeah, yeah. If I'm playing it from the beginning, 0:31:51.560 --> 0:31:54.320 if I'm playing like the beginning of a party, I 0:31:54.360 --> 0:31:56.680 could play it from the intro if I got if 0:31:56.680 --> 0:31:58.840 I'm mixing it in, then it's you know, it's definitely 0:31:58.840 --> 0:32:01.400 a build up. But that's the record that never failed me, 0:32:01.520 --> 0:32:05.640 that never failed me. And what's the name never failed 0:32:05.640 --> 0:32:09.960 me either, hijack the Herbie Man version. 0:32:10.960 --> 0:32:14.760 Yeah, it's so weird, like well, of course what the 0:32:14.760 --> 0:32:17.880 beat Nuts did to it, well. 0:32:17.680 --> 0:32:22.480 At least version they used. The other version, the one. 0:32:23.600 --> 0:32:27.400 Was more disco for me, and you liked that Brooklyn. 0:32:27.520 --> 0:32:30.760 Was a I can't even lie, like Brooklyn was a 0:32:30.800 --> 0:32:33.560 lot more disco than other Burroughs. 0:32:34.560 --> 0:32:36.240 You know something, all right, So we just did a 0:32:36.280 --> 0:32:39.800 show together at the Hollywood Bowl and you made me 0:32:39.920 --> 0:32:44.480 realize something I have never ever like, this is a 0:32:44.520 --> 0:32:48.560 weird admission to make as a DJ. I've never ever 0:32:48.640 --> 0:32:52.040 played brad by Samande in my sets, and I didn't 0:32:52.080 --> 0:32:56.640 realize how fun it was until we started doing or 0:32:56.800 --> 0:33:00.360 change and speak right, And when we played it, I'm 0:33:00.400 --> 0:33:02.440 sitting on the set like, wait a minute, this is 0:33:02.440 --> 0:33:05.080 a bonifid classic. And I know it's a classic. How 0:33:05.080 --> 0:33:08.320 come I never want in my life ever play Bride 0:33:08.440 --> 0:33:11.640 by Simonde. And the way that you incorporated the original 0:33:12.440 --> 0:33:15.080 and like to bring in full circle with playing the 0:33:15.120 --> 0:33:17.800 sample and the version you did on three pi and rising, 0:33:19.040 --> 0:33:21.480 it literally made me. I remember having a note to 0:33:21.520 --> 0:33:29.479 myself actually saying at bra inside my notes. So for you, like, 0:33:30.200 --> 0:33:35.200 do you still like playing the traditional ingredients of what 0:33:35.240 --> 0:33:37.320 classic if I was, do you still like playing. 0:33:37.040 --> 0:33:40.760 Breaks or are you like what is your. 0:33:41.000 --> 0:33:44.800 I like playing everything. I like everything that really just 0:33:45.040 --> 0:33:48.200 feels good sounds good. Of course the breaks are in 0:33:48.240 --> 0:33:50.200 there because it's what we grew up on, you know. 0:33:51.040 --> 0:33:55.440 I incorporate what really just feels good, bro. And the 0:33:55.440 --> 0:33:58.960 more I learned, the more I incorporate, the more left 0:33:59.080 --> 0:34:02.120 I think I can go. I'll go so far left 0:34:02.160 --> 0:34:02.640 that I'm. 0:34:02.560 --> 0:34:05.080 Right, you know. 0:34:06.080 --> 0:34:09.799 And a lot of that stems from growing up in 0:34:09.880 --> 0:34:13.319 the New York area, with it being so much competition 0:34:13.560 --> 0:34:15.680 that I didn't want to be a part of the competition. 0:34:16.400 --> 0:34:20.240 There was nights I even played, you know, the Building 0:34:20.440 --> 0:34:23.399 and Palladium and you know the hot guys. Of course 0:34:23.520 --> 0:34:28.640 is Capri read at the time Clark Kent And also 0:34:28.719 --> 0:34:32.759 promoters had this thing too where if you played on 0:34:32.800 --> 0:34:35.040 the bill with these guys, you you kind of almost 0:34:35.040 --> 0:34:38.160 had to play the same records too, And because it 0:34:38.320 --> 0:34:42.120 was an audience that come in rotation, rotating throughout the night, 0:34:42.600 --> 0:34:45.400 that might have missed Capri when he played before I 0:34:45.520 --> 0:34:48.280 let go, so they want you to play it again. 0:34:48.640 --> 0:34:51.640 I did get out of that, and I started to 0:34:51.680 --> 0:34:54.240 play more boutique stuff. 0:34:54.360 --> 0:34:54.840 I felt. 0:34:55.000 --> 0:34:59.200 I was gonna say, have you ever felt the pressure 0:35:00.880 --> 0:35:06.719 to be as eclectic as your canon catalog is? 0:35:07.480 --> 0:35:09.000 Like after Blue Mind. 0:35:08.760 --> 0:35:11.680 State came out and once I discovered and again this 0:35:11.760 --> 0:35:14.839 is the post DJ Mureau effect, like when he came 0:35:14.840 --> 0:35:17.399 from Japan and started playing all this like rare shit. 0:35:18.480 --> 0:35:22.200 Never once did occur to me, like, oh, I should 0:35:22.239 --> 0:35:25.880 play Evil Vibrations before I play a roller skating jamming 0:35:25.920 --> 0:35:30.279 on Saturdays. I should play the tramp break before I 0:35:30.320 --> 0:35:33.560 play let Me whatever, like that whole idea back and forth, 0:35:34.120 --> 0:35:36.480 But and then I went all the ways silly with it, 0:35:36.560 --> 0:35:39.040 like I used to always play the Peace Parts Break, 0:35:39.920 --> 0:35:42.920 you know what I mean? Like, did you ever feel 0:35:42.920 --> 0:35:46.120 like the pressure that people might have expectations for you 0:35:46.200 --> 0:35:50.200 to be as eclectic as the idea of what Dai 0:35:50.320 --> 0:35:53.000 I sould was to your audience in the first few years. 0:35:53.120 --> 0:35:57.040 I never felt that pressure. I actually realized I was 0:35:57.120 --> 0:36:01.640 already there. And what made me realized I was already there. 0:36:02.200 --> 0:36:05.640 There was one tour I did with Mike g from 0:36:05.640 --> 0:36:08.120 the Jungle Brothers. We had did a DJ tour together. 0:36:09.000 --> 0:36:13.240 Sammy Bee wasn't well and Mike was like, Mace, let's 0:36:13.320 --> 0:36:16.279 do this DJ run you know and uh, that's when 0:36:16.280 --> 0:36:19.759 they were doing Jungle Brothers sound System and uh, this 0:36:19.840 --> 0:36:24.719 was my first DJ tour out the country because I 0:36:24.800 --> 0:36:27.080 really when it came down to DJ and I actually 0:36:27.160 --> 0:36:29.719 stayed local. I didn't go out on tour UNTI and 0:36:29.760 --> 0:36:32.040 I went with the group, so to speak. So it 0:36:32.080 --> 0:36:36.000 was Mike g who actually talked me into traveling abroad 0:36:36.200 --> 0:36:42.480 just playing music. And when we got out there, I 0:36:42.560 --> 0:36:46.000 saw Murdo, I saw everybody. I realized I was that 0:36:46.320 --> 0:36:49.440 I was already there. I was like, this is what 0:36:49.480 --> 0:36:51.960 I need to be doing, this is this is what 0:36:52.080 --> 0:36:55.600 I what I am. And it actually reminded me of 0:36:55.640 --> 0:36:58.680 a night that I played at Irvin Plaza because I 0:36:58.719 --> 0:37:00.680 used to play there a lot in the every beginning 0:37:00.719 --> 0:37:04.040 of our career, like and plug tuning days, plug tuning 0:37:04.120 --> 0:37:08.520 pothole days. I was playing at Urban Plaza and I 0:37:08.600 --> 0:37:12.560 used to play really off the chest. I never played 0:37:12.560 --> 0:37:16.800 any mixes, And it was one night. It was a 0:37:16.880 --> 0:37:19.880 lot of times I'm playing to even figure out what 0:37:19.960 --> 0:37:22.440 I want to use. It was like a lot of 0:37:22.440 --> 0:37:26.040 that kind of always in the creative space of what 0:37:26.160 --> 0:37:28.399 I want and and Urban Plaza was one of them 0:37:28.520 --> 0:37:32.680 eclectic spots. It was so I'll never forget. That's how 0:37:32.719 --> 0:37:35.360 I end up coming up with the idea for the 0:37:35.440 --> 0:37:39.000 remix of me and Myself and I is when I 0:37:39.080 --> 0:37:47.280 played I played GQ really slow. I played it real slow, 0:37:47.880 --> 0:37:49.160 and Chuck came up to me. 0:37:49.520 --> 0:37:51.440 I will never forget that, And Chuck D came up 0:37:51.440 --> 0:37:51.600 to me. 0:37:51.640 --> 0:37:55.919 He was like, yo, yo, I've been hearing this wrecking 0:37:56.000 --> 0:38:01.080 my whole life, and why does it sound so crazy? 0:38:01.160 --> 0:38:04.000 So it was I forget that moment, okay, Chuck coming 0:38:04.080 --> 0:38:06.840 up to me, And then next thing you know, it 0:38:07.120 --> 0:38:10.280 just started to click with me and myself for nine 0:38:10.520 --> 0:38:13.320 and figuring out what to do far as a remix 0:38:13.400 --> 0:38:13.560 for that. 0:38:14.040 --> 0:38:19.120 At the height of your sort of DJ craft, now 0:38:19.239 --> 0:38:22.920 you brought up Capri and my first time I giged 0:38:22.920 --> 0:38:28.080 with Capri, he arrives with thirteen crates. 0:38:28.200 --> 0:38:31.440 Yeah, thirteen, yeah, yeah, I've witnessed the days of it 0:38:31.520 --> 0:38:34.279 being twenty two or thirty crates. I remember them days. 0:38:34.360 --> 0:38:37.680 Yeah, at the height of it, like thank God for 0:38:37.760 --> 0:38:40.920 Serranto where you can now have like entire terabytes inside 0:38:40.960 --> 0:38:45.359 your computer. But at the height how many crates. 0:38:45.040 --> 0:38:47.840 Were you me for a gig you cared about? 0:38:48.120 --> 0:38:52.000 Uh? I was around the same around the saying you're thirteen, 0:38:52.200 --> 0:38:54.040 Yeah I was. I was around the same. How many 0:38:54.040 --> 0:38:56.400 people actually used to drive to a lot of my 0:38:56.480 --> 0:38:59.160 gigs because I felt like I needed to bring all 0:38:59.200 --> 0:39:01.880 my crates because you just didn't know. I didn't know 0:39:01.960 --> 0:39:04.040 what we're going to get into, what kind of audience 0:39:04.040 --> 0:39:06.680 it was gonna be. OU didn't want to not have anything, 0:39:07.520 --> 0:39:09.319 And you can have all of that and still not 0:39:09.440 --> 0:39:11.040 have something, you know. 0:39:11.200 --> 0:39:12.279 I can't even imagine that. 0:39:12.320 --> 0:39:14.920 Now, if you've been attracted to the lure of returning 0:39:14.920 --> 0:39:16.080 to forty five's only. 0:39:16.040 --> 0:39:18.880 I've done it too. I've caught the forty five bus. 0:39:18.880 --> 0:39:21.000 Does really needed. 0:39:21.440 --> 0:39:24.760 I caught it a long time ago. No, it's not needed, 0:39:25.520 --> 0:39:28.360 But if you catch the bug, it's kind of fun. 0:39:28.440 --> 0:39:33.160 It's just it's fun. Just still trying to uh meet 0:39:33.160 --> 0:39:37.520 the timing of everything and the balancing of the needle 0:39:37.680 --> 0:39:40.640 like we grew up on that, you know, and the 0:39:40.719 --> 0:39:44.279 imperfections of it, you know it. I even realized the 0:39:44.400 --> 0:39:47.960 audience likes that they're like the record just skipped. 0:39:50.120 --> 0:39:55.279 So I just discovered three weeks ago someone put me 0:39:55.560 --> 0:40:00.239 onto a YouTube account in which this guy literally has 0:40:00.239 --> 0:40:03.640 a collection of all live hip hop and I mean 0:40:03.680 --> 0:40:07.520 the early days, and this is post Cold crush, like 0:40:07.560 --> 0:40:10.440 the era of us collecting tapes. I'm talking about the 0:40:10.480 --> 0:40:13.000 Graham Ass and Flash and Furious five show once they're an. 0:40:12.960 --> 0:40:14.319 Established group type show. 0:40:14.920 --> 0:40:17.520 What twenty minutes Doug and Rick had, all the deaf 0:40:17.600 --> 0:40:22.640 jam shows like ll Public Enemy. I didn't realize how 0:40:23.880 --> 0:40:27.680 much the occurrence of a skipping record was back then. 0:40:28.280 --> 0:40:31.200 And you know, I'm iffy on playing. 0:40:31.000 --> 0:40:34.040 Other drum sets not my own, so usually I'll bring 0:40:34.120 --> 0:40:36.520 like my snare or something that's familiar that I know 0:40:36.560 --> 0:40:40.280 my sound and all that stuff. But for the most part, 0:40:40.480 --> 0:40:45.360 if you are just blindly going to a club for 0:40:45.440 --> 0:40:49.200 you guys to perform, and you're on what seconds left 0:40:49.239 --> 0:40:52.080 of knowing how to balance your turntables, like how much anxiety? 0:40:52.239 --> 0:40:54.680 Was it just dealing with the whole idea of like 0:40:55.239 --> 0:40:57.080 in the second verse there might be a skip there, 0:40:57.080 --> 0:40:59.680 so I got to catch it, and or any of 0:40:59.680 --> 0:41:02.760 those because even have you ever watched. 0:41:02.560 --> 0:41:06.200 Rundium see how much anxiety? Have you ever watched to 0:41:06.200 --> 0:41:11.920 know how much weed I smoke? Have you ever seen 0:41:12.000 --> 0:41:13.719 rundum Sea's live a performance? 0:41:14.040 --> 0:41:17.120 Yes, they're doing I don't know if they're doing uh 0:41:17.239 --> 0:41:20.399 uh succerum seas or whatever. But it just skips every 0:41:20.480 --> 0:41:22.920 and then eventually JA just has to catch it yep 0:41:23.560 --> 0:41:25.640 in a way so that it stays on beat. And 0:41:25.719 --> 0:41:28.360 it's almost like it's it's the world doesn't know what 0:41:28.480 --> 0:41:33.759 genius that is, but for you, like what basic anxiety 0:41:33.840 --> 0:41:35.799 things that you have to worry about as a DJ, 0:41:35.840 --> 0:41:37.400 because you're also like playing breaks and. 0:41:38.719 --> 0:41:41.960 In the beginning it was the soft spots in the 0:41:42.000 --> 0:41:45.200 stage and we had dancers and all of that, right, 0:41:45.280 --> 0:41:49.160 So my anxiety would be somebody walking a past a 0:41:49.200 --> 0:41:51.480 certain part of the stage and it skips the record, 0:41:51.960 --> 0:41:56.600 which ruins the whole performance. So I used to I 0:41:56.680 --> 0:42:00.640 used to do sound check where I would people, Yeah, 0:42:00.680 --> 0:42:02.680 I would actually play the record and jump around the 0:42:02.680 --> 0:42:05.439 different parts of the stage to see where it would 0:42:05.480 --> 0:42:09.720 skip the worst, and then I mark it, put exes 0:42:09.760 --> 0:42:12.279 down and let everybody know, look this is where the 0:42:12.320 --> 0:42:14.960 record skips. It skips over here and skips over here. 0:42:15.120 --> 0:42:18.840 If you actually see the performance we do at Tramps. 0:42:20.160 --> 0:42:23.000 I watched it this morning, you you will notice that 0:42:23.200 --> 0:42:26.919 is what's happening. You'll notice when they're doing the most 0:42:27.040 --> 0:42:29.440 energetic stuff that at the front of the stage or 0:42:29.480 --> 0:42:31.360 at the corner of the They know the hotspots, they 0:42:31.400 --> 0:42:33.279 all do. They all knew the hotspots, they knew the 0:42:33.280 --> 0:42:35.279 fly to this in, they knew the fly to that end. 0:42:35.600 --> 0:42:39.000 But don't come over here else you're going to ruin again. 0:42:39.520 --> 0:42:42.640 Question to ask you, and you see my face, I'm like, 0:42:43.840 --> 0:42:46.560 this is what I'm ask you. Have you ever been 0:42:46.600 --> 0:42:49.800 in this situation where black Sheep has been a guest 0:42:49.840 --> 0:42:53.399 on the show and you know engine engine number nine 0:42:53.440 --> 0:42:57.839 is gonna come and you're not using replay like. 0:42:59.040 --> 0:43:02.680 I used to warn dress, I would warn you know. 0:43:03.400 --> 0:43:06.120 It was a pet peeve mine, especially when we had 0:43:06.120 --> 0:43:09.239 this nightmare of a show at Beacon Theater. It was 0:43:09.280 --> 0:43:11.920 since that show we had at the Beacon Theater. All 0:43:11.960 --> 0:43:13.520 of that was a pet peeve to me. It was 0:43:13.560 --> 0:43:18.440 a destructive show. Ever, the worst right up in our 0:43:18.520 --> 0:43:22.480 lives here is this eighty nine. It was we was 0:43:22.520 --> 0:43:26.359 on the bill with slick Rick. It was us slick Rick. 0:43:27.200 --> 0:43:29.920 I forgot who Yeah, it was just us a slick Rick. 0:43:30.239 --> 0:43:33.360 When I think, yeah, this was slick Ricks. Days of 0:43:34.200 --> 0:43:35.440 the Ruler, Yeah. 0:43:35.480 --> 0:43:39.120 Damn ok, yeah, the Great Adventures of the fucking Ruler. 0:43:39.360 --> 0:43:44.600 Yeah yeah, yeah right, but yeah, it was a nightmare 0:43:45.040 --> 0:43:48.280 the dancers were bumping into each other, skipped the record, 0:43:48.719 --> 0:43:52.240 Dave was forgetting his rhymes. We had props on stage. 0:43:52.280 --> 0:43:55.760 This was around the era of having really nice props 0:43:55.760 --> 0:43:57.440 because you know when Ll used to come out in 0:43:57.480 --> 0:43:59.880 the Lamborghini and all that. So I'll come out in 0:44:00.080 --> 0:44:04.399 a baby carriage, you know what, days riding this bike 0:44:04.800 --> 0:44:05.480 or something, you know. 0:44:05.760 --> 0:44:08.760 And we had these balloons, and the balloons were supposed 0:44:08.800 --> 0:44:11.360 to have peace signs on them. Management messed up and 0:44:11.400 --> 0:44:21.759 they had Mercedes been side. I tell you, destructive matter 0:44:21.800 --> 0:44:24.680 is I wanted to forget that night. This is on 0:44:24.800 --> 0:44:32.600 my brain, Like, whe's the greatest laugh this show. Mercedes 0:44:32.640 --> 0:44:36.400 been side, all the balloons supposed to be peace side. 0:44:36.920 --> 0:44:41.480 Oh god, He's like, look the piece like me up, 0:44:44.400 --> 0:44:48.640 that's crazy, It's crazy. I was but that from that 0:44:48.800 --> 0:44:52.319 day forward, like that's when I pet peeve of like 0:44:53.040 --> 0:44:55.839 the sound, the parts of the stage, all of that, 0:44:55.960 --> 0:44:58.160 Like sound check is very important to me. 0:45:09.800 --> 0:45:11.800 When did you give into an instant replay? 0:45:12.040 --> 0:45:14.279 I gave into the instant replay. 0:45:14.360 --> 0:45:16.799 Reluctant to do this, I was, or you felt it 0:45:16.840 --> 0:45:17.480 was necessary. 0:45:17.600 --> 0:45:22.880 It was necessary for so the show can resonate ac quarterly. 0:45:23.000 --> 0:45:25.080 Sound wise, because I. 0:45:25.040 --> 0:45:28.680 Was gonna say, by sounded awesome. You know what, Tramps, 0:45:28.880 --> 0:45:31.439 I'm standing to the right of that camera. I watched 0:45:31.480 --> 0:45:35.600 that entire show in the sound booth next to the camera. Dude, like, 0:45:35.640 --> 0:45:39.279 I'm literally that was well, that was the third day, 0:45:39.320 --> 0:45:42.760 last show. I saw the New Year's show at the Palladium, 0:45:43.440 --> 0:45:47.120 like Tribe Dayline, Souls and Missions and the like when 0:45:47.239 --> 0:45:49.200 right before Dead came out, you guys came to the 0:45:49.239 --> 0:45:52.000 phillyate the track of Daryl. But yeah, I was there 0:45:52.040 --> 0:45:55.840 that night. And that was also the first time I 0:45:55.880 --> 0:45:59.279 saw most which I don't think the world knows that 0:45:59.320 --> 0:46:01.480 your instrument and sort of bringing him to. 0:46:01.840 --> 0:46:05.120 Oh yeah, the word I forgot. I was an instrument 0:46:05.200 --> 0:46:07.600 to that. What was it about Dante? 0:46:07.920 --> 0:46:13.279 Yeah, seen What was it about him that told you like, oh, 0:46:13.360 --> 0:46:15.279 this is going to be a great fit for us. 0:46:15.840 --> 0:46:20.680 Well, I heard Dante before I met him, and I 0:46:20.760 --> 0:46:22.719 you know, this was a time period still where you 0:46:22.719 --> 0:46:24.840 can hear artists and not know what they look like. 0:46:25.840 --> 0:46:31.279 And our mutual friend was our dancer Asia, we call 0:46:31.360 --> 0:46:35.520 the Asia Demons, and she knew Dante. I found out 0:46:35.520 --> 0:46:39.520 that he was when he first started to do the 0:46:39.560 --> 0:46:45.680 poetry readings pre poetry jam. I was djam those poetry 0:46:45.680 --> 0:46:50.200 readings like New yor Areekan Cafe and the museum that 0:46:50.320 --> 0:46:54.000 they had his mother's basement and something they had in Brooklyn. Yeah, 0:46:54.160 --> 0:46:57.200 I do that. Moms used to be their rest of soul. 0:46:59.239 --> 0:47:02.840 I would do those events for him, bringing the equipment 0:47:02.880 --> 0:47:06.839 and everything. Most used to do this poem called Peter 0:47:06.960 --> 0:47:10.880 Pan African, and that was like my favorite poem of his, 0:47:11.600 --> 0:47:14.279 Peter Pan African. Peter Pan, you gotta ask him to 0:47:14.280 --> 0:47:17.840 do that one. It's a dope poem, so dope. And 0:47:19.080 --> 0:47:23.000 I was just fascinated with his artistry altogether, like you know, 0:47:24.520 --> 0:47:28.640 k very charismatic. I didn't know he rhyme until we 0:47:28.760 --> 0:47:31.600 got outside and all the fellas was having a little 0:47:32.000 --> 0:47:36.399 cipher and I was like, yo, he nice. Yeah, I'm like, yo, 0:47:36.480 --> 0:47:40.200 this dude is super nice. Like he's multi talented. He 0:47:40.320 --> 0:47:43.560 was freestyling and singing and all of that. So and 0:47:43.600 --> 0:47:46.200 then it wasn't a tune. I had been following this group. 0:47:46.840 --> 0:47:50.480 I heard this record. I knew I think Domind had 0:47:50.520 --> 0:47:55.439 produced the Rich New and and one day that ship 0:47:55.600 --> 0:47:58.359 came on. Now mind you, I'm hanging out with this dude. 0:47:59.719 --> 0:48:03.600 Then I sit came on a video music box and 0:48:03.640 --> 0:48:07.840 I was like, yo, right, and mind you. But prior 0:48:07.880 --> 0:48:10.680 to that, when I met Most, I was like, oh, 0:48:10.920 --> 0:48:13.960 Cosmester mysteries. Right when I met him, I was like, 0:48:14.000 --> 0:48:16.759 oh Cosby mysteries. But then when I saw that, I 0:48:16.840 --> 0:48:19.440 was like, as soon as I saw that, I called him. 0:48:19.480 --> 0:48:21.719 I was like, yo, man, why you ain't telling me? 0:48:22.480 --> 0:48:25.520 Like he was like, yo man. You know He's like, 0:48:25.600 --> 0:48:27.799 you know, I didn't want to be that guy. I'm like, 0:48:29.160 --> 0:48:31.439 now you are that guy. I need to know this guy. 0:48:31.520 --> 0:48:34.000 You know what I'm saying, Like this confirms for me 0:48:34.840 --> 0:48:37.040 one of the biggest questions I ever had. All Right, 0:48:37.239 --> 0:48:38.680 I don't know if I should put this story all 0:48:38.680 --> 0:48:40.440 the way out there, but I will just say this 0:48:40.600 --> 0:48:46.399 much Most was dating someone that did not know that 0:48:46.520 --> 0:48:50.320 he was not only an extra like a main part 0:48:50.480 --> 0:48:54.680 of Michael Jackson's Ghosts. If you remember Michael Jackson in 0:48:54.920 --> 0:48:57.839 nineteen ninety seven when Blood on the Dance Floor came out, 0:48:58.320 --> 0:49:02.080 really try to you know, do the lightning in a 0:49:02.080 --> 0:49:05.359 bottle twice thing, like I got an outdo thriller. So 0:49:05.400 --> 0:49:10.000 he made another sixteen minute scary film called Ghosts and Whatnot. 0:49:10.200 --> 0:49:13.799 And Most is like one of two black people. It's 0:49:13.840 --> 0:49:16.520 like a town of an old man that's scared. It's 0:49:16.560 --> 0:49:19.520 like a Tales from the Crypt type thing, and we're 0:49:19.600 --> 0:49:22.160 watching it and I was like, oh, damn, they're the 0:49:22.280 --> 0:49:24.239 most and she's like, well, no, that's not him. 0:49:24.280 --> 0:49:26.880 I said, clearly, you're his voice, like you. 0:49:26.920 --> 0:49:33.279 Talk like that that that Brooklyn Opra thing Brooklyn and 0:49:33.520 --> 0:49:36.359 he has dialogue in this thing and she calls him. 0:49:36.400 --> 0:49:40.239 It's like, yo, like, why don't you tell me you're 0:49:40.280 --> 0:49:42.200 in the new Michael Jackson video. And he was like, 0:49:42.600 --> 0:49:46.440 that's not me, And I'm like, it is him, Like 0:49:46.560 --> 0:49:49.399 we could clearly we're all an electric lady watching this thing. 0:49:50.120 --> 0:49:54.160 And it just escalated there almost into an argument, and 0:49:54.280 --> 0:49:57.359 I'm like, why does he always deny when he does 0:49:57.560 --> 0:50:00.680 these like mind blowing things. But I, you know, also 0:50:00.760 --> 0:50:02.680 think that's part of the lord, like he doesn't want 0:50:02.719 --> 0:50:04.759 to appear to be I do. 0:50:04.920 --> 0:50:09.319 Remember in the beginning he was even he was saying, 0:50:09.400 --> 0:50:11.480 he was like he was keeping the acting. 0:50:12.040 --> 0:50:13.839 Like kind of monotone Search and State. 0:50:14.200 --> 0:50:18.840 Yeah, And he he was also turning down really huge 0:50:18.920 --> 0:50:22.279 projects because he's so in love with this hip hop thing. 0:50:23.360 --> 0:50:27.840 He's famous, yes, and he I think he did the 0:50:27.920 --> 0:50:32.040 best job at not crossing the two, bouncing the two? 0:50:32.200 --> 0:50:34.560 Yeah where because he could have easily went the will 0:50:34.640 --> 0:50:35.920 Smith route and just been. 0:50:37.040 --> 0:50:39.239 But then we I don't think we would get the 0:50:39.360 --> 0:50:41.720 records we got. We wouldn't. We wouldn't got the artistry 0:50:41.960 --> 0:50:47.239 we got from him. I'll tell you most of our constituents, 0:50:47.320 --> 0:50:51.800 comrades that have lean that went the acting route and 0:50:52.000 --> 0:50:55.279 music either vanished or they started to make it a 0:50:55.360 --> 0:50:57.480 certain thing that cater to Yeah, a movie. 0:50:57.960 --> 0:51:00.320 Once they're once, they're trapped into it. Yeah, you know, 0:51:00.360 --> 0:51:03.920 I got it A question I didn't ask. You give 0:51:04.000 --> 0:51:07.799 me your version of the origins of how Da La 0:51:07.960 --> 0:51:11.360 Soul got formed? At what point are you meeting Paul 0:51:12.120 --> 0:51:14.760 and Dave and kelvin Mercy? 0:51:15.280 --> 0:51:20.880 I met Pass, Dave and Charlie He should be a 0:51:20.960 --> 0:51:26.279 fourth member. Yeah, before we even had a name, I 0:51:26.440 --> 0:51:29.600 met Pass and Dave do a guy named Charlie. We 0:51:29.719 --> 0:51:32.560 call him Charlie Rock. I met them in summer school. 0:51:32.960 --> 0:51:36.920 To be exact, okay, we all were in English and 0:51:37.120 --> 0:51:42.600 math together in summer school of eighty five, and somehow 0:51:42.719 --> 0:51:43.800 we clicked in school. 0:51:43.960 --> 0:51:46.440 And I also love the smartest group I know was 0:51:46.520 --> 0:51:51.719 always all of you were in summer school, of us, 0:51:53.040 --> 0:51:57.960 all of us, all us summer school. 0:51:59.200 --> 0:52:02.080 We clicked and I actually lived right across the street 0:52:02.200 --> 0:52:02.840 from the school. 0:52:03.600 --> 0:52:07.160 So as our relationship developed in class, next thing, you know, 0:52:07.320 --> 0:52:10.520 we started to end up at somebody's house. You know, 0:52:10.719 --> 0:52:13.560 more than likely would end up at my house or 0:52:13.680 --> 0:52:18.359 Chuck's house. You know, and then things just start to grow, 0:52:18.520 --> 0:52:22.840 like we you know, some some about this connection just 0:52:22.960 --> 0:52:26.640 kept bringing these odd four people together. You know, I'm 0:52:26.680 --> 0:52:29.320 still new in the neighborhood, so I'm just still relative 0:52:29.360 --> 0:52:33.800 relatively making new friends. Like anybody I'm kind of thinking. 0:52:33.840 --> 0:52:37.280 I got a certain kind of connection with I'm developing. 0:52:37.960 --> 0:52:41.560 So we were I'm just meeting still new friends at 0:52:41.600 --> 0:52:46.240 this time, and it was definitely over the music. Somehow 0:52:46.719 --> 0:52:49.640 we ended up at Chuck's house. Then we started ending 0:52:49.719 --> 0:52:52.800 up at my house. Link make a long story shut. 0:52:53.440 --> 0:52:56.040 Chuck was getting into things that nobody else was into, 0:52:56.200 --> 0:52:59.480 and you know, he pretty much exed himself out. You know, 0:53:00.080 --> 0:53:02.759 I'll never forget the big argument we all had. It 0:53:02.920 --> 0:53:05.440 was almost like a breakup to make up, because we 0:53:05.600 --> 0:53:09.120 initially broke up. We were like, we weren't even a 0:53:09.160 --> 0:53:10.000 group yet, but we were. 0:53:10.440 --> 0:53:11.680 We knew we had something. 0:53:12.440 --> 0:53:14.120 All I knew is we knew we had something that 0:53:14.960 --> 0:53:17.279 the vibe that was coming together had me going to 0:53:17.320 --> 0:53:19.960 buy Doctor Rhythm, Drummer Shine, and he had me just 0:53:20.440 --> 0:53:22.520 getting what I can afford to even lend to what 0:53:22.600 --> 0:53:25.360 we're trying to create here. Past was buying more records 0:53:25.400 --> 0:53:28.759 and stuff, and we studying rat and more, you know. 0:53:28.960 --> 0:53:31.680 And when he brought home Ultra Magnetic, that was like 0:53:32.120 --> 0:53:35.080 the light bulb that went off, you know. I was like, Okay, yeah, 0:53:35.120 --> 0:53:38.520 we could do this, you know. And then the frustrations 0:53:38.600 --> 0:53:46.799 behind meeting the fake mc shan, a fake BDP and wait, yeah, yeah, 0:53:47.560 --> 0:53:50.480 I knew Corey Rooney really well. We grew up with 0:53:50.560 --> 0:53:53.279 Corey actually went to high school with his sister and 0:53:54.080 --> 0:53:54.480 a lot of. 0:53:54.560 --> 0:53:58.880 Us using Corey Rooney. His father, Herb Rooney, Yes, synthetics institution. 0:53:59.080 --> 0:54:02.000 Like Herb was that guy. Herb was like, I knew 0:54:02.040 --> 0:54:04.640 her before I knew Corey. You got to meet Herb Rooney. Yeah, 0:54:04.680 --> 0:54:07.000 Herb was like the guy. Herb was like, I was 0:54:07.120 --> 0:54:10.680 like almost like a surrogate son to her. Why Corey 0:54:10.719 --> 0:54:12.080 could tell you that for real, I used to be 0:54:12.160 --> 0:54:15.520 over there a lot. Seriously, her was like I don't know. 0:54:15.680 --> 0:54:18.879 He had that spirit of like he welcomed the kids 0:54:19.000 --> 0:54:21.279 into his home, you know what I mean? Anybody like 0:54:21.520 --> 0:54:21.680 you know? 0:54:22.200 --> 0:54:25.480 Was he aware of what was happening with his record 0:54:25.960 --> 0:54:26.480 at that time? 0:54:26.520 --> 0:54:28.279 I'm not sure. I don't even know, Like, did. 0:54:28.239 --> 0:54:30.960 You ever play in the ultramate EGGX first single? 0:54:31.000 --> 0:54:34.279 And be like no, because even at that time I 0:54:34.320 --> 0:54:34.680 didn't know. 0:54:35.360 --> 0:54:36.879 Oh you didn't even even know either. 0:54:37.160 --> 0:54:41.440 He just organically knew HERB B Rney without knowing synthetic substitution. 0:54:41.800 --> 0:54:44.000 Nope, I got substitution, but I'm not. 0:54:44.280 --> 0:54:46.160 You didn't and you didn't connect with you together, and. 0:54:46.200 --> 0:54:48.799 I did not as crazy, not at all. It wasn't 0:54:48.840 --> 0:54:51.160 until after her past I put it together. 0:54:51.520 --> 0:54:52.640 Damn for real. 0:54:52.960 --> 0:54:56.440 Okay, okay, But we used to be over there a lot, 0:54:56.560 --> 0:55:00.760 and Corey was the prodigal son. He didn't go to school. 0:55:01.040 --> 0:55:04.520 He got home schooled. He played drums all day. And 0:55:04.680 --> 0:55:08.239 Corey ran around with an army suit on with a 0:55:08.400 --> 0:55:11.280 rifle on his back. Corey to be crazy. 0:55:12.800 --> 0:55:13.959 Was he in the army at least? 0:55:14.160 --> 0:55:17.920 Nah? Corey used to be crazy. We used to be 0:55:18.000 --> 0:55:20.200 scared of Corey. I can't in front. Corey used to be. 0:55:20.280 --> 0:55:20.759 Off the hook. 0:55:23.160 --> 0:55:26.600 I know, I don't know, and I know kry R 0:55:27.120 --> 0:55:31.759 Cory is kind of wild. No, man, Corey don't play, Yeah, 0:55:31.880 --> 0:55:36.320 I don't know. Hes been solid too, Like you know, 0:55:36.480 --> 0:55:38.880 I watched him step away from the fam and go 0:55:39.040 --> 0:55:41.319 do his thing with Prince Marky D and watch him 0:55:41.320 --> 0:55:41.880 step from that. 0:55:42.560 --> 0:55:42.719 You know. 0:55:43.360 --> 0:55:47.120 He even brought me into SO Convention. I had produced 0:55:47.160 --> 0:55:50.040 two songs from Mark. One of them made the album 0:55:50.320 --> 0:55:53.440 word Yeah. Mark robbed me though, Okay, I got to 0:55:53.520 --> 0:55:56.440 address it before he passed. Okay, okay, but I had 0:55:56.480 --> 0:55:59.880 a lowell Fulson record. Then the. 0:56:04.120 --> 0:56:05.800 Chorus I did not earlier. 0:56:05.960 --> 0:56:09.479 Yeah, yeah, I wrote the chorus, and I was like, yeah, 0:56:10.080 --> 0:56:14.760 Mark put my credit under Vincent Mason, not DJ Maycy 0:56:14.920 --> 0:56:17.640 or from Dayly. It was all like I was part 0:56:17.680 --> 0:56:20.880 of the Soul Convention family, but also learned at that 0:56:21.040 --> 0:56:23.080 time too, Corey was kind of on its way out 0:56:23.200 --> 0:56:24.840 from from SO Convention. 0:56:25.000 --> 0:56:29.600 I guess, wait, first of all, we're falling down a 0:56:29.680 --> 0:56:32.920 rabbit hole. How did you meet the fake and the 0:56:32.960 --> 0:56:34.560 fake bad people together? 0:56:35.160 --> 0:56:37.320 No, it was different. It was different days. 0:56:37.440 --> 0:56:38.239 How was that beef? 0:56:38.680 --> 0:56:42.040 It was different days. The fake mc shan came over 0:56:42.160 --> 0:56:46.040 Corey's house, so we end up getting an invite over 0:56:46.120 --> 0:56:49.480 there to because Corey knew what we was up to. 0:56:50.320 --> 0:56:52.840 You know, Corey also remembered me from being in a 0:56:52.880 --> 0:56:55.920 group called Hardcore and a song that I made with them, 0:56:56.000 --> 0:56:58.600 and he's still to this very day knows that song. 0:56:59.200 --> 0:56:59.719 Really he. 0:57:01.800 --> 0:57:06.080 Dude, I Won't to Rock Your Body. That was the 0:57:06.160 --> 0:57:09.080 name of his song. He remembers my verse for some reason. 0:57:09.360 --> 0:57:12.440 I don't even remember my first but but Corey remember that, 0:57:12.600 --> 0:57:15.360 and then he started to pay attention to what I 0:57:15.480 --> 0:57:19.360 was doing and me David Merse, he knew David Merse. 0:57:20.120 --> 0:57:22.360 He kind of knew what I knew. They nobody knew 0:57:22.360 --> 0:57:24.920 they rap. You know, it was like a closet thing 0:57:25.400 --> 0:57:28.240 we were doing for a long time. And Charlie lived 0:57:28.320 --> 0:57:31.560 right around the corner from Corey, so the back and 0:57:31.680 --> 0:57:34.800 forth was you know, it was especially with the invite 0:57:34.840 --> 0:57:37.760 from herb You know. This one day we go over 0:57:37.840 --> 0:57:41.920 there and this dude claimed to be Shan and I'm like, 0:57:42.440 --> 0:57:45.360 it was all suspect to me because I'm like, the 0:57:45.440 --> 0:57:48.240 way the dude talk and what I hear on the records, 0:57:48.320 --> 0:57:50.760 this don't sound like Shane. But I'm gonna rived this out, 0:57:50.920 --> 0:57:52.840 you know what I'm saying, I don't even know how 0:57:53.000 --> 0:57:56.160 he got to herb's crib, I don't you know. And 0:57:56.280 --> 0:58:00.640 then here it is different queens also, so I don't 0:58:00.680 --> 0:58:05.680 know somebody got to herb and was faking Jack's oh guy. 0:58:06.360 --> 0:58:08.520 And it got to a point in that even in 0:58:08.600 --> 0:58:12.040 that day, Corey was like, this ain't no mc shane, 0:58:12.120 --> 0:58:14.720 you know what I'm saying. And then the the BDP 0:58:15.480 --> 0:58:20.040 cat was Charlie's sister was dating somebody from that crew 0:58:21.080 --> 0:58:25.760 and the dude was hanging with BDP. He wasn't down 0:58:25.840 --> 0:58:30.080 with BDP. So that right there frustrated the hell out 0:58:30.120 --> 0:58:34.440 of Merce. I'll never forget that day. Merch was so 0:58:34.520 --> 0:58:37.160 frustrated with that shit. And then Charlie used to play 0:58:37.200 --> 0:58:40.160 around so much too. That was also another thing when 0:58:40.160 --> 0:58:42.200 we were really trying to get serious about trying to 0:58:42.280 --> 0:58:45.480 make some songs on Chuckler play too much. So that 0:58:45.640 --> 0:58:50.160 was all irkin Merce. And then it came one day 0:58:50.840 --> 0:58:52.680 put it like this is the day that we actually 0:58:52.760 --> 0:58:55.240 like Merce bassed out and he was like, I don't 0:58:55.400 --> 0:58:57.560 want to do this no more. I'm going home, taking 0:58:57.600 --> 0:59:00.920 my shirt home. I started carrying my equipment back around 0:59:01.000 --> 0:59:03.360 to my house because we end up bringing my equipment 0:59:03.560 --> 0:59:06.800 to Chuck's house. Dudes try to rob my house. And 0:59:07.000 --> 0:59:09.280 it's clear what they was trying to get because when 0:59:09.320 --> 0:59:11.760 they broke in my house, you could tell they went 0:59:11.800 --> 0:59:14.400 to the basement. Mind you, there's a sheepskin here, there's 0:59:14.400 --> 0:59:17.720 a sheepskin there, there's other Jordan's and all that. They 0:59:18.000 --> 0:59:20.200 headed to the basement. So somebody was trying to get 0:59:20.240 --> 0:59:22.840 my equipment, you know, and when my uncle ended up 0:59:22.880 --> 0:59:26.120 coming home, so they rushed out the window. They came in. 0:59:26.440 --> 0:59:26.600 You know. 0:59:27.400 --> 0:59:28.320 They weren't successful. 0:59:28.560 --> 0:59:30.800 No, they were showing up getting my equipment and taking 0:59:30.840 --> 0:59:32.520 it to the Chuck's house. So we would be at 0:59:32.600 --> 0:59:36.200 Chuck's house practicing. Chuck had the whole downstairs. Chuck, he 0:59:36.320 --> 0:59:38.480 was the Ricky Schroeder and the crew. He had his 0:59:38.640 --> 0:59:41.040 house parents had the big old house. He had the 0:59:41.160 --> 0:59:45.560 downstairs to himself, separate interests. He can even have female companies. 0:59:47.360 --> 0:59:48.640 They ever trained in the living room. 0:59:48.720 --> 0:59:52.360 Now he could have you know, like he could have. 0:59:52.640 --> 0:59:54.920 Have you seen him since Dale I started popping off. 0:59:55.080 --> 0:59:58.040 Actually I tried to continue my relationship with him by 0:59:58.120 --> 1:00:02.000 helping him with another group. And I even try to 1:00:02.040 --> 1:00:05.240 put him down with my cousin uptown, remember uptown dope 1:00:05.280 --> 1:00:08.880 one plastic cousin. Well, we call each other cousins because 1:00:08.880 --> 1:00:13.720 we grew up from babes. I thought that was yeah, 1:00:13.880 --> 1:00:16.640 I know, I know, I thought that was I did 1:00:16.720 --> 1:00:20.040 not know that was your damn Okay, we grew up 1:00:20.040 --> 1:00:22.919 from the sandbox. So I put I put truck down 1:00:23.000 --> 1:00:25.520 with him, and he messed that up too, you know. 1:00:26.160 --> 1:00:28.680 Tommy Boy turned around and was like, we want to 1:00:28.720 --> 1:00:32.480 sign uptown, but we don't know about your man. And 1:00:32.560 --> 1:00:35.680 I was like, there's another opportunity and stup for himself, 1:00:36.440 --> 1:00:39.320 you know. Yeah, so I'll never forget poss coming over 1:00:39.360 --> 1:00:42.480 the house though, him and Dave, and it was really 1:00:42.560 --> 1:00:46.000 odd to me. He was like, yo, man, we see 1:00:46.040 --> 1:00:49.040 you serious about this. You know we are just as serious. 1:00:49.160 --> 1:00:52.160 He's like, we want you to be our DJ. Dave 1:00:52.200 --> 1:00:55.760 didn't say nothing the whole time, but hindsight me knowing 1:00:56.080 --> 1:00:59.480 my brothers to this day, they spoke about this beforehand. 1:01:00.200 --> 1:01:03.040 You know, I do admire that about you guys. I 1:01:03.120 --> 1:01:05.320 mean there would be moments like Tarika and I are 1:01:05.720 --> 1:01:10.919 just in this kind of therapy stage of making sure 1:01:10.960 --> 1:01:13.800 that we're connected because every time I be around you guys, 1:01:14.760 --> 1:01:17.000 none of that what we hear, like the idea of 1:01:17.080 --> 1:01:20.360 day La soul, Like, oh, this group that has this 1:01:20.400 --> 1:01:23.520 great chemistry they laugh at each other's jokes whatever. Like 1:01:24.040 --> 1:01:26.600 your laugh to me is one of the most infectious 1:01:26.760 --> 1:01:28.880 things and one of the most authentic things. 1:01:29.320 --> 1:01:30.120 This is what you don't know. 1:01:30.280 --> 1:01:33.680 Okay, we're gonna fall down serious rabbit holes. All right. 1:01:33.720 --> 1:01:34.840 I used to teach at NYU. 1:01:35.000 --> 1:01:36.640 I hate my laugh too, but I can't do. 1:01:38.440 --> 1:01:39.800 All right, so they're back. 1:01:39.840 --> 1:01:42.840 When I used to teach at NYU, Professor A Milliard 1:01:43.520 --> 1:01:46.760 shout out to you Hello. She once did a study 1:01:47.800 --> 1:01:51.000 about the history of black music and she made an observation. 1:01:51.800 --> 1:01:54.720 So the very first time that a black voice or 1:01:54.760 --> 1:01:56.919 a black song was released, it was a song called 1:01:57.000 --> 1:02:00.640 The Laughing Song by a guy named George Johnson no 1:02:00.760 --> 1:02:04.840 relation to the Brothers Johnson, and The Laughing Song was 1:02:04.920 --> 1:02:09.440 almost like an ironic song, the same way that Stevie 1:02:09.520 --> 1:02:14.479 Wonder's Village Ghetto Land. It's done, you know, in classical music, 1:02:14.560 --> 1:02:17.800 and he's talking about like he's talking about impoverished conditions, 1:02:17.840 --> 1:02:19.880 but he's doing in such an ironic way, with like 1:02:20.200 --> 1:02:24.280 a tuxedo sort of level, basically saying like, you know, 1:02:24.680 --> 1:02:28.120 we're still struggling in nineteen seventy six with poverty and everything. 1:02:28.840 --> 1:02:32.880 But yet you know the world doesn't care if common 1:02:32.960 --> 1:02:37.160 man is starving. And so basically, since the days of 1:02:37.200 --> 1:02:41.000 the Reconstruction, black people weren't allowed to ever express emotions, 1:02:41.400 --> 1:02:43.880 which is why we invented cool, because you don't know 1:02:43.960 --> 1:02:46.320 what we're feeling. You can't be angry, you might get 1:02:46.360 --> 1:02:49.560 dealt with. You can't laugh, you might get dealt like literally, 1:02:49.920 --> 1:02:51.880 anything to do with emotions you're not allowed to do. 1:02:52.000 --> 1:02:55.120 And what she did was she conducted a study on 1:02:55.440 --> 1:03:00.040 every song in black music that contains laughter, and and 1:03:00.200 --> 1:03:03.760 she's like her findings were like ninety six percent of 1:03:03.800 --> 1:03:08.200 those songs. Laughter was always for the most ironic reasons, 1:03:08.440 --> 1:03:11.520 like you know, like when it's like we bet motherfuckers haa, 1:03:12.280 --> 1:03:15.600 like it's a laugh for evil, or if it's a 1:03:15.680 --> 1:03:20.280 James Brown command like or whatever. But never even Michael's 1:03:20.320 --> 1:03:23.360 he he's are always after some depressing shit. He just 1:03:23.440 --> 1:03:26.240 did you know, I want to be starting somethings depressing. 1:03:26.560 --> 1:03:32.840 Billy Jean's depressing. And there's rare occasions of and we're 1:03:32.880 --> 1:03:34.800 trying to think of, like has anyone ever laughed on 1:03:34.960 --> 1:03:38.439 record where it was actually genuine like I'm expressing joy 1:03:39.680 --> 1:03:41.760 And I was like, well, shit, I know the end 1:03:41.880 --> 1:03:46.480 of Rafty Rap Show where you hear like Macio and literally, 1:03:47.120 --> 1:03:50.120 so you were like one of a very rare case 1:03:50.320 --> 1:03:54.760 of a person laughing because something's actually funny and you're 1:03:54.840 --> 1:03:59.480 expressing which is it's a weird study to find that, Yeah, 1:03:59.800 --> 1:04:02.280 it's it's no. There's like a three year study that 1:04:02.400 --> 1:04:03.880 she did on just the history of. 1:04:03.960 --> 1:04:05.320 Laughing in black music. 1:04:05.680 --> 1:04:08.360 But for you, like when you're crafting these records, and 1:04:08.440 --> 1:04:10.480 I asked Pas, like, how are you guys able to 1:04:10.560 --> 1:04:14.520 make these intricate skits sound so spontaneous and off the cuff? 1:04:14.920 --> 1:04:17.640 But I know to record stuff, it's like and go 1:04:18.200 --> 1:04:20.320 and it never feels that way. It always just feels 1:04:20.360 --> 1:04:24.000 like a tape was always rolling. And you guys, just 1:04:24.280 --> 1:04:26.360 like the night you guys did the twenty minute version 1:04:26.440 --> 1:04:29.160 skipped to my loop like you can't plan that, Like 1:04:29.280 --> 1:04:30.160 what happens yo? 1:04:30.520 --> 1:04:31.240 That right there? 1:04:31.360 --> 1:04:33.400 That is my favorite shit of all time, by the way, 1:04:33.600 --> 1:04:35.920 And I listen to all twenty minutes of that shit, like. 1:04:36.800 --> 1:04:39.400 Everybody came over with my house. This is the first 1:04:39.440 --> 1:04:42.720 time I think everybody was at my House, Granny, rest 1:04:42.720 --> 1:04:48.200 of the Soul, China jet Right. Dave came, Mike, his 1:04:48.320 --> 1:04:53.120 brother Mike. We were trying to just figure something out, 1:04:54.200 --> 1:04:57.840 so you put it on record, put on his record, 1:04:57.960 --> 1:05:01.880 and it just start to skip on beat and Dave 1:05:02.000 --> 1:05:05.600 started skip to my Lou, Skip to my Lou, skip 1:05:05.720 --> 1:05:08.640 to my love. It just kept going, skip to my live, 1:05:09.080 --> 1:05:11.720 skip to my little and it's just and then more 1:05:11.880 --> 1:05:14.840 from there, and it was like we got to skip. 1:05:14.920 --> 1:05:16.800 We're looking for we got it. 1:05:17.280 --> 1:05:20.360 If you guys can find what's the mixtape you guys did. 1:05:20.680 --> 1:05:22.440 It's actually one of my favorite day Lout records, but 1:05:22.520 --> 1:05:24.480 you guys treated it as a mixtape. It's on that 1:05:24.600 --> 1:05:29.040 mixtape No No, No No, before the Dial of Daisy thing. 1:05:29.120 --> 1:05:34.880 You guys did the Impossible Mission. Oh if you have 1:05:35.040 --> 1:05:39.360 the Impossible Mission mixtape, it's on YouTube. You can hear 1:05:39.440 --> 1:05:42.440 the entire twenty minutes. I don't know why you want to, 1:05:42.520 --> 1:05:45.680 but it's like one of my favorite moments ever because 1:05:45.720 --> 1:05:48.480 it's you guys just being silly. That was a risky 1:05:48.560 --> 1:05:53.560 thing to do back then, Like has there ever been 1:05:53.640 --> 1:05:54.920 a thing because I've seen you. 1:05:55.000 --> 1:05:58.880 Gotta think Paul for that. You know, Paul was there 1:05:58.880 --> 1:06:00.880 ever a discussion like, yo, we can't appear to be 1:06:01.040 --> 1:06:03.520 too happy, go lucky your motherfuckers you will. 1:06:04.480 --> 1:06:07.360 No, that was never a discussion. It was never even 1:06:07.440 --> 1:06:11.320 really a thought. It was us being our natural silly selves. 1:06:12.320 --> 1:06:17.240 But Paul having the idea of recording it. That's it, like, Yo, 1:06:18.280 --> 1:06:20.720 we need to record all of this. It's too good. 1:06:20.880 --> 1:06:23.880 It's it's just too good. He would he would sit 1:06:24.040 --> 1:06:27.480 back like a real producer and just analyze everything and 1:06:27.600 --> 1:06:30.640 be like, yo, man, no idea, here is a bad idea. 1:06:31.400 --> 1:06:34.480 That's how he operated. We have to try everything. 1:06:47.000 --> 1:06:48.200 How did you make pluck tuneing? 1:06:48.320 --> 1:06:49.080 In the demo? 1:06:49.800 --> 1:06:52.600 The demo we made with the sk one, it was 1:06:52.640 --> 1:06:55.480 a Cassio drum machine and the sk one and the 1:06:55.640 --> 1:06:57.840 sk one we put up to the speaker the sample 1:06:57.920 --> 1:07:02.080 the written on the wall sample. Yeah, so that's from 1:07:02.160 --> 1:07:04.680 the s k one. That's the sk one did demo? 1:07:05.040 --> 1:07:06.680 The actual demo? I heard it. 1:07:06.760 --> 1:07:11.800 It wasn't It didn't feel that homemade, like perfect timing 1:07:11.840 --> 1:07:12.040 to do? 1:07:12.160 --> 1:07:15.280 Yeah, who was the person that we were sharing? And 1:07:15.400 --> 1:07:18.880 it was more pause tape vibe because whatever was off, 1:07:20.080 --> 1:07:24.320 And also you had to we had the drum machine 1:07:24.440 --> 1:07:29.920 to follow because the drum program on the Casio RZ one. 1:07:30.240 --> 1:07:30.439 Yeah. 1:07:30.720 --> 1:07:34.080 Yeah, the drum pattern was pretty lock solid, so you 1:07:34.160 --> 1:07:36.800 could follow the pattern. You just get tired, you know 1:07:36.840 --> 1:07:37.280 what I'm saying. 1:07:37.400 --> 1:07:37.520 Right. 1:07:38.120 --> 1:07:40.200 Other than that, that was that was it, and we 1:07:40.280 --> 1:07:42.400 were overdubbing, overdubbing cassettes. 1:07:42.880 --> 1:07:47.400 I later found out that a line share of it 1:07:47.480 --> 1:07:49.360 Takes the Nature to Millions was also made the same 1:07:49.400 --> 1:07:53.720 way where they didn't read the manual to sequence. They 1:07:53.840 --> 1:07:57.760 literally like, that's triggered Flavor Flave doing all the eight 1:07:57.840 --> 1:08:00.840 o eights and Funky Drummer on rebels out of pause 1:08:00.880 --> 1:08:05.440 because he had a maculate timing, so Flavor play yes, 1:08:05.680 --> 1:08:08.080 right right, but he had a maculine timing with so 1:08:08.200 --> 1:08:11.160 he's the one that looped Funky drummer and all that stuff. 1:08:11.280 --> 1:08:13.360 So just to know that none of that was sequence 1:08:13.440 --> 1:08:17.479 and all put together by human is some mind blowing shit, you. 1:08:17.479 --> 1:08:20.439 Know, straight out the jungle is that album was all 1:08:20.640 --> 1:08:22.360 DJ Well. 1:08:22.640 --> 1:08:25.360 I figured like in a later listen that oh this 1:08:25.560 --> 1:08:30.519 is not triggered only because of you know, I'm also 1:08:30.600 --> 1:08:33.719 the guy like if you know Jazzy Jeff, He's taught 1:08:33.800 --> 1:08:37.280 me the idea of warping stuff and perfecting it, which 1:08:37.920 --> 1:08:41.160 sounds weird when you start trying to make things perfect 1:08:41.240 --> 1:08:44.200 sounding when it shouldn't be. So yeah, I learned the 1:08:44.360 --> 1:08:47.520 hard way of trying to I try to warp Jim Brownski, 1:08:47.840 --> 1:08:50.040 which is a nightmare. 1:08:50.320 --> 1:08:50.840 You know what I mean. 1:08:52.120 --> 1:08:53.800 Right, wait, I got to talk about. 1:08:55.080 --> 1:08:57.720 Style now. Of course we're doing this for Levi's, and 1:08:57.760 --> 1:09:02.280 it's just a coincidence that you guys are also style icons. 1:09:02.479 --> 1:09:07.560 I mean as far as like hairstyles and what you 1:09:07.680 --> 1:09:12.280 guys wore, which was unlike anything that I've ever seen 1:09:12.400 --> 1:09:15.720 anyone in the craft of hip hop rocking at the time. 1:09:15.840 --> 1:09:19.280 For me, I had an old Levi's jacket that I 1:09:19.920 --> 1:09:22.240 got when I we went to school with boys to men. 1:09:22.800 --> 1:09:24.439 So we did this motown Philly video. 1:09:24.680 --> 1:09:26.800 I'm like drumming and whatever, and I kept that shit 1:09:26.880 --> 1:09:28.880 on forever because Treik's like, you gotta wear the jacket 1:09:28.880 --> 1:09:31.679 every day because we can get girls numbers. They'll recognize 1:09:31.720 --> 1:09:35.240 the jacket from the video summertime me rocking this jacket 1:09:35.280 --> 1:09:37.920 or whatever. Was there ever an article of clothing like 1:09:38.160 --> 1:09:40.640 as far as like deciding what the personal style was. 1:09:40.720 --> 1:09:42.320 I know you guys said, like, oh, we go in 1:09:42.400 --> 1:09:43.759 our parents' cribs and wear their clothes. 1:09:43.800 --> 1:09:46.040 But was that really the case or. 1:09:46.280 --> 1:09:49.280 Like not, I really was the case, especially for them 1:09:49.360 --> 1:09:53.840 two guys. They were in their pops gear. Me, I 1:09:53.960 --> 1:09:56.960 had to go buy stuff to have a pop still. Okay, 1:09:57.240 --> 1:09:57.479 got that. 1:09:58.120 --> 1:10:00.679 But yeah, it was like your favorite art, cool clothing 1:10:00.840 --> 1:10:03.840 or like at least for the early days of daylight soul, 1:10:04.000 --> 1:10:06.000 like that never left you. 1:10:06.200 --> 1:10:10.200 I mean for the early days. What was cool about it? 1:10:10.320 --> 1:10:13.639 It was like the way they were hooking up their pants. 1:10:13.800 --> 1:10:17.599 Because I do come from an era of I'm more 1:10:17.680 --> 1:10:21.400 into the nostalgic where the classic where, you know, stuff 1:10:21.439 --> 1:10:24.479 that I always wanted to wear when I was younger 1:10:24.560 --> 1:10:27.080 watching my uncles and all of them, and I used to, 1:10:27.680 --> 1:10:29.320 you know, every now and again, my mom would get 1:10:29.320 --> 1:10:31.040 me a pair of shocks skins pants, you know what 1:10:31.080 --> 1:10:36.200 I mean. I used to rock shocks camp, Yeah, shock skin, 1:10:37.560 --> 1:10:40.760 the split Gabardine joints. Yeah, I used to rock that, 1:10:40.960 --> 1:10:43.960 you know. And then but they used to be pretty 1:10:44.000 --> 1:10:47.479 bell bottom. And then when I met Post and Dave 1:10:47.960 --> 1:10:50.519 David Mert excuse me, guys, I gotta call them Dave, 1:10:51.840 --> 1:10:56.200 they would kind of hem their pants, like almost make 1:10:56.280 --> 1:10:59.000 them straight leg. They would turn the bells into straits 1:10:59.200 --> 1:11:03.280 because they their father's pants were damn near the same, 1:11:03.800 --> 1:11:05.519 so they would make them straight leg. 1:11:06.160 --> 1:11:08.560 And I had safety pinning them together so they'd be 1:11:08.600 --> 1:11:09.520 more baggy. 1:11:09.520 --> 1:11:12.599 Instead of yeah. Yeah, And so when I saw Dave 1:11:12.720 --> 1:11:15.800 do that, I copied that. I was like, Yeah, that's 1:11:15.880 --> 1:11:17.880 exactly how I really want my pants to be. I 1:11:17.920 --> 1:11:20.040 don't want them to be bell bottom because I want 1:11:20.080 --> 1:11:21.880 you to see my shoes. I'm rocking too, you know 1:11:21.920 --> 1:11:25.320 what I mean. So, but I did come from the 1:11:25.680 --> 1:11:30.200 split gaberdines, the shark skin, the mock neck iceed Dice 1:11:30.439 --> 1:11:32.120 used to rock that. That was my thing. 1:11:32.240 --> 1:11:35.040 Well, you also mentioned when your households got broken into 1:11:35.040 --> 1:11:39.759 you like sheepskin. Yeah yeah, so if you were aware 1:11:39.880 --> 1:11:42.120 street fashion of the time, yeah I was. I was 1:11:42.200 --> 1:11:44.320 heavily because when we heard take it Off, We're just 1:11:44.439 --> 1:11:45.000 like I was. 1:11:45.000 --> 1:11:48.200 A baby jem Master Jay straight up. Okay, Yeah, I 1:11:48.360 --> 1:11:50.479 was lother pants and all of that, you know what 1:11:50.520 --> 1:11:54.600 I mean? Yeah, I was relatively dressing like flashing the 1:11:54.680 --> 1:11:56.439 Furious five and run. 1:11:56.360 --> 1:12:00.320 Dmc gotcha, how long did it take you to creft 1:12:00.840 --> 1:12:02.120 cool Breeze on the rocks? 1:12:02.600 --> 1:12:02.800 Now? 1:12:04.160 --> 1:12:07.040 I was heartbroken because of the new version, and of 1:12:07.120 --> 1:12:09.200 course that the clearest long but I love the way 1:12:09.240 --> 1:12:12.720 you guys handle it. It's even more hilarious. That was 1:12:12.720 --> 1:12:15.400 the most hilarious thing. If you can find the original 1:12:15.479 --> 1:12:17.800 cool Breeze on the Rocks on YouTube, listen to what 1:12:17.920 --> 1:12:20.040 it was and how my bow we were back then 1:12:20.760 --> 1:12:22.760 and compared to what they had to do now with it. 1:12:23.080 --> 1:12:26.120 But how long did that take to craft that piece? 1:12:27.920 --> 1:12:32.760 Made me hate engineering? It made me hate engineer. Now, 1:12:32.800 --> 1:12:35.400 don't get a twisted Now, I can engineer my ass 1:12:35.439 --> 1:12:37.760 off because I got no choice. But tell me about 1:12:37.760 --> 1:12:41.639 the punching. It made me hate engineering. Talk about it punching? 1:12:42.040 --> 1:12:46.320 How about spicing? Tape spicing? And I'm not talking about 1:12:46.360 --> 1:12:50.400 the spicing we do on able ten or tubes. I'm 1:12:50.479 --> 1:12:56.680 talking about tape, actual tape, spicing tape. I hate that. 1:12:58.080 --> 1:13:01.120 So wait, in my mind, you're in the studio with 1:13:01.280 --> 1:13:02.880 a two inch reel doing this. 1:13:03.280 --> 1:13:04.920 You're doing this on the second I did it on 1:13:05.040 --> 1:13:10.280 the half inch. I brought in all the records I 1:13:10.479 --> 1:13:13.280 found with the word rock with the word rock in it. 1:13:13.800 --> 1:13:15.200 And how long did it take you to do the 1:13:15.240 --> 1:13:18.040 research or did you just automatically know? I thought of 1:13:18.160 --> 1:13:21.080 different records off top and I went right to them 1:13:21.840 --> 1:13:24.200 and I was just, you know, go through making sure 1:13:24.439 --> 1:13:26.600 you know what I'm thinking is the correct thing, and 1:13:26.680 --> 1:13:29.240 then going down the rabbit hole of fine and all 1:13:29.280 --> 1:13:31.559 the stuff I wanted to say. Rock I knew. 1:13:31.640 --> 1:13:36.360 I always wanted to mess with kool Breese from Richard Pryor. 1:13:36.439 --> 1:13:39.720 I knew that. So it was like, cool breeze on 1:13:39.800 --> 1:13:42.560 the rocks. Okay, let's figure this out, you know what. 1:13:42.680 --> 1:13:45.560 And I went down every record that had rock. But 1:13:45.640 --> 1:13:49.680 then it was putting it together. It took two days, man, 1:13:50.320 --> 1:13:52.960 It took actually two days to do that one little piece. 1:13:53.640 --> 1:13:57.760 And I recorded all the rocks to the half inch. 1:13:58.520 --> 1:14:01.600 You know. I cut the kool bris, the koolbrees, but 1:14:01.800 --> 1:14:05.200 all the rocks I spliced. Oh so wait, it wasn't 1:14:05.240 --> 1:14:07.479 like you just added on to it, No, you just 1:14:07.880 --> 1:14:11.160 oh no, yeah, I just cut koolbrees. And then why 1:14:11.200 --> 1:14:12.760 did you do it that way? I didn't know no 1:14:12.880 --> 1:14:15.480 other way. I just it was come on. It was beginnings, 1:14:16.160 --> 1:14:20.479 the embryoic stages of what we were, what we were becoming. 1:14:20.960 --> 1:14:23.800 And I didn't Paul didn't know no other way. The 1:14:23.920 --> 1:14:27.080 engineer didn't know any other way. It was like we 1:14:27.880 --> 1:14:29.960 recorded to the half engine, then we're gonna splice it 1:14:30.000 --> 1:14:34.120 all together. But I was on deck learning to splice 1:14:34.160 --> 1:14:37.240 it because it was my idea. So I'm working with 1:14:37.400 --> 1:14:41.200 al the engineer, and I swear I hated that shit 1:14:41.280 --> 1:14:44.799 marking the tape trying to get it and then sometimes 1:14:44.840 --> 1:14:46.920 you're cutting over the part where you're trying to have 1:14:47.080 --> 1:14:49.320 so now you got to record it again again. I 1:14:49.800 --> 1:14:53.160 hated that ship man. I was like, I'm never doing 1:14:53.240 --> 1:14:56.000 this again. And I say, as an engineer, I don't 1:14:56.000 --> 1:14:58.439 want to be an engineer. I'll be a producer and 1:14:58.560 --> 1:15:02.439 I hire it. Man, we mixed this record. You don't 1:15:02.439 --> 1:15:05.400 even know, like no that I mean just and it's 1:15:05.439 --> 1:15:06.880 before automation. 1:15:06.560 --> 1:15:07.000 And all of that. 1:15:07.960 --> 1:15:10.880 Dude, like that made such a profound I know you 1:15:11.000 --> 1:15:13.240 probably think like this is a thirty second sketch. 1:15:13.040 --> 1:15:15.960 But just our collective minds were blown. I used. 1:15:16.240 --> 1:15:18.880 I worked at the Sam Goodies uh the week that 1:15:19.000 --> 1:15:20.760 that came out, and when we heard it, we all 1:15:20.800 --> 1:15:22.600 stopped in the thing like what the hell is this? 1:15:22.920 --> 1:15:25.400 Like we just I mean Nation of Millions was just 1:15:25.520 --> 1:15:29.840 one thing to take in, like seven songs coming at 1:15:29.880 --> 1:15:31.559 you at the same time out of key or whatever. 1:15:31.760 --> 1:15:34.840 But yeah, when that happened, the entire like white people 1:15:34.920 --> 1:15:36.640 stopped like what is this right? 1:15:36.760 --> 1:15:36.920 Right? 1:15:37.080 --> 1:15:40.080 Yeah? Literally, yeah, I was working in sam Goodies when 1:15:40.160 --> 1:15:41.160 when that record came out. 1:15:41.760 --> 1:15:44.400 My favorite device in the studio was the even did 1:15:45.479 --> 1:15:51.880 the even why the harmoniza. It allowed us to, you know, 1:15:52.200 --> 1:15:56.040 to mess records together that didn't really work, you know, zealmonically. 1:15:56.160 --> 1:15:58.360 You guys did that, and I forget the example of it. 1:15:59.640 --> 1:16:01.519 Buddy Buddy was one. 1:16:01.840 --> 1:16:03.040 Buddy was example of that. 1:16:03.479 --> 1:16:07.360 What's the name was an example of it. Also say 1:16:07.439 --> 1:16:11.120 no go yes with the with the baseline, with the 1:16:11.200 --> 1:16:15.840 baseline also along with sliding the family Stone record. Yes, no, no, no, 1:16:17.840 --> 1:16:19.559 those records don't work together. 1:16:20.240 --> 1:16:24.120 You guys were the first to match your samples so 1:16:24.280 --> 1:16:27.040 that it's together. Can I ask something for three feet? 1:16:28.080 --> 1:16:31.519 Was Bob involved in or did he come full time 1:16:31.600 --> 1:16:32.680 during Daylight soula his Dead? 1:16:32.760 --> 1:16:36.320 He came up during day Los Sola's Dead in the 1:16:36.479 --> 1:16:41.639 begin and it was Bob Coulter who actually was one 1:16:41.680 --> 1:16:47.000 of the partners of Calliope Studio. It was Sue Fisher loudly, 1:16:47.479 --> 1:16:51.439 God rest his soul. I forgot the Shane favor. 1:16:52.080 --> 1:16:54.479 Okay, Yeah, you guys were also one of the first 1:16:54.640 --> 1:16:57.479 rap groups that I noticed that didn't rhyme over their 1:16:57.560 --> 1:17:02.400 album versions or rhyme over I came rhyme over his 1:17:02.479 --> 1:17:03.439 Recordlick Rick two? 1:17:04.600 --> 1:17:06.240 Was was that a purpose? 1:17:06.400 --> 1:17:06.439 Like? 1:17:06.920 --> 1:17:08.280 And the closest that I did. 1:17:08.280 --> 1:17:11.719 See MC's rhyming to their instrumentals, you know, like Molly 1:17:11.760 --> 1:17:13.719 mal would I always have a dub on the B side? 1:17:14.120 --> 1:17:16.479 You allowed to hear the story, the story, the story 1:17:17.520 --> 1:17:20.439 way back when when like yeah, they would do and 1:17:20.520 --> 1:17:24.160 I think that was to say you know where you are, right, yeah, 1:17:24.640 --> 1:17:28.080 But you guys were the first thing I noticed was like, whoa, 1:17:28.200 --> 1:17:31.160 these are all instrumentals, Like because that GM didn't even 1:17:31.200 --> 1:17:35.160 start making instrumentals until eighty seven. So were you guys 1:17:35.400 --> 1:17:39.280 like already aware that instrumentals should be on the B 1:17:39.439 --> 1:17:41.200 side or was that a Tommy Boyd decision? 1:17:41.720 --> 1:17:45.439 It was stuff we learned from stet Okay, you know, 1:17:45.880 --> 1:17:49.400 I cant front Stecho. Sonic was a huge template for 1:17:49.560 --> 1:17:53.080 a lot of things we've became. You know, if you 1:17:53.120 --> 1:17:56.200 ever saw such a Sonic live show, it was one 1:17:56.240 --> 1:17:58.240 of the most incredible shows you can see. 1:17:58.400 --> 1:17:59.400 I have a wish in life. 1:17:59.760 --> 1:18:02.320 There is not I mean, the closest that you get 1:18:02.400 --> 1:18:06.800 to classic stet in their glory. It was some talk 1:18:06.880 --> 1:18:10.599 show where I think Ella was there to really promote 1:18:10.880 --> 1:18:13.519 Walking with the Panther, and I asked this with Chuck. 1:18:13.600 --> 1:18:16.800 I'm like, this is the era of least like the 1:18:16.880 --> 1:18:21.200 first generation of video cameras. Not one person in that 1:18:21.400 --> 1:18:24.280 circle doing those tours decided to record one Stets of 1:18:24.360 --> 1:18:24.920 Sonic show. 1:18:25.640 --> 1:18:28.320 All I will know is the folklore of. 1:18:30.000 --> 1:18:33.120 The craziest group and for me to be the sort 1:18:33.120 --> 1:18:36.439 of the back end of that, and having never ever 1:18:36.600 --> 1:18:40.080 seen Step like, I can't imagine a person not seeing 1:18:40.120 --> 1:18:42.559 a Root show once at least before they say, oh, 1:18:42.600 --> 1:18:44.439 they're the greatest group, Like I would love to say 1:18:44.479 --> 1:18:50.160 that myself, but there's no record whatsoever of their performance, 1:18:50.360 --> 1:18:52.560 Like does Paul have anything? Does he? 1:18:53.240 --> 1:18:55.559 I'll ask It's even harder to find you guys. 1:18:57.160 --> 1:18:59.519 If anybody would have picked up the camera back then, 1:19:00.080 --> 1:19:02.559 would have been Paul. But if he's in the show, 1:19:02.920 --> 1:19:06.640 he can't do it right. Maybe New Kirk rest of 1:19:06.760 --> 1:19:10.519 Soul might have recorded. Maybe somebody around Paul might have 1:19:10.680 --> 1:19:12.000 I'm gonna ask him, though. 1:19:11.960 --> 1:19:13.280 I was gonna say one of the one of the 1:19:13.320 --> 1:19:16.200 greatest things that I got to see kind of been 1:19:16.600 --> 1:19:18.439 reflecting on Dave's life. 1:19:18.920 --> 1:19:21.680 Was the footage of you guys recording. 1:19:21.360 --> 1:19:24.639 The day I sold his Dead album, which I mean 1:19:24.680 --> 1:19:27.040 any of those things that's like gold to me. Now, Like, 1:19:27.160 --> 1:19:30.920 how do you recall like CAMRA's being rolled often during 1:19:31.040 --> 1:19:34.960 like at least the first three records when video cameras are. 1:19:34.880 --> 1:19:38.800 Really conscious of the camera being on. You know, you've 1:19:38.800 --> 1:19:41.919 seen his footage, right, I've seen I saw the footage 1:19:42.000 --> 1:19:47.560 of Dave doing Johnny's Dead, Yes, yes, to see that 1:19:48.720 --> 1:19:52.479 Vincent Mason, right, what is the basis of that? 1:19:53.000 --> 1:19:53.680 He's just having to be. 1:19:53.640 --> 1:19:56.960 In a pan at the piano, got a freaking fool 1:19:57.080 --> 1:19:59.920 And it's one of them days where I call home. 1:20:00.040 --> 1:20:02.439 Work was done. You know, Paul would give us homework, 1:20:03.240 --> 1:20:06.200 so homework was done, so we had time in the 1:20:06.240 --> 1:20:09.920 studio just to do whatever. That's how the skits would 1:20:09.920 --> 1:20:12.519 even come to life, because once we took care of 1:20:12.600 --> 1:20:16.639 what was for homework, right, yeah, and then we got 1:20:16.720 --> 1:20:20.040 more time to just either come up with a new 1:20:20.120 --> 1:20:21.880 song or just mess around. 1:20:22.040 --> 1:20:24.200 You know, I always wanted to know this question, So 1:20:24.800 --> 1:20:28.800 I meant for us being as though instruments are a 1:20:28.840 --> 1:20:32.200 big part of what makes a roots album, that stuff 1:20:32.320 --> 1:20:34.439 was part of the budget. Hey, I want to get 1:20:34.520 --> 1:20:37.320 more an extra microphone for this particular sound. I want 1:20:37.360 --> 1:20:38.760 to buy these symbols or whatever. 1:20:39.360 --> 1:20:43.880 Was record shopping and digging part of the record budget 1:20:44.080 --> 1:20:44.920 or was that just like. 1:20:45.200 --> 1:20:47.600 Nah, that was naturally part of it. You own it. 1:20:47.720 --> 1:20:50.439 And I couldn't wait to go on tour so I 1:20:50.520 --> 1:20:53.240 could hit every city, go dig and go digging. I 1:20:53.280 --> 1:20:58.080 couldn't wait, especially going overseas. It was one time I 1:20:58.160 --> 1:21:00.280 went to some store and I damn the boy half 1:21:00.320 --> 1:21:03.040 the store and I got two tickets to a Prince concert. 1:21:03.120 --> 1:21:03.479 Behind that. 1:21:04.160 --> 1:21:08.400 Really, when Prince came out with Batman, I was in 1:21:08.520 --> 1:21:11.080 this record shop and I just like, this record shop 1:21:11.160 --> 1:21:15.000 had almost everything I my heart desired. I you know, 1:21:15.720 --> 1:21:17.560 first of all, the turntable was in there and so 1:21:17.680 --> 1:21:20.400 you could play everything you was checking for. And I 1:21:20.560 --> 1:21:23.360 was just I had a day. It was a gold 1:21:23.439 --> 1:21:26.760 rush day, and I damned brought half the store. And 1:21:26.880 --> 1:21:30.000 the dude was like any typical he kept it open 1:21:30.080 --> 1:21:31.960 for me. You know, I was in there after hours 1:21:32.000 --> 1:21:35.439 and he was like, yo, just because you bought so many, 1:21:35.560 --> 1:21:40.519 I got two tickets tonight for Prince at Wembley. Stop playing. 1:21:40.600 --> 1:21:42.519 He was like for really, I want to give you 1:21:42.600 --> 1:21:45.160 these two tickets and me and my at the time, 1:21:45.360 --> 1:21:47.280 my security at the time we went to the concert. 1:21:47.760 --> 1:21:53.479 It's crazy, I lost my voice everything else. It was 1:21:53.600 --> 1:21:55.040 the best. It was the best. 1:21:55.520 --> 1:21:58.519 Wait, I would say probably my era, like starting in 1:21:58.640 --> 1:22:05.240 ninety five, once record dealers became aware that, oh I 1:22:05.320 --> 1:22:08.400 can sell him this Golf McDermott record for fifty bucks. 1:22:08.960 --> 1:22:10.960 I could sell you know this this. 1:22:11.080 --> 1:22:13.400 Year Mark ups on us because they see us coming. 1:22:13.600 --> 1:22:16.160 So you were there for a magic period where people 1:22:16.280 --> 1:22:18.400 really didn't know the value of stuff and you could 1:22:18.439 --> 1:22:20.439 get something for a dollar or five dollars. 1:22:20.320 --> 1:22:21.360 Quarter even a quarter. 1:22:21.720 --> 1:22:26.480 What was the wild, wild gold rush days of record conventions? 1:22:26.680 --> 1:22:30.760 Like when I'm hearing these stories of like hotels being 1:22:31.520 --> 1:22:33.719 oh man, like, were you ever part of that madness? 1:22:33.800 --> 1:22:37.439 And I was for a second, and then I started 1:22:37.479 --> 1:22:41.080 to notice the competitive behavior this is where and then 1:22:41.160 --> 1:22:42.439 I stopped going the. 1:22:42.479 --> 1:22:44.800 First time I'm hearing blah blahs and ass or blah 1:22:44.800 --> 1:22:47.680 blah blah, like you found out who cats really were 1:22:48.680 --> 1:22:50.800 during this period. And the one thing I always heard 1:22:50.880 --> 1:22:54.080 though was that Prince B was such a nice figure. 1:22:54.120 --> 1:22:54.960 Prince VI from. 1:22:54.840 --> 1:22:58.639 PM doing was that the dealers will always let him 1:22:58.720 --> 1:23:01.400 come in like at one in the morning, like eight 1:23:01.479 --> 1:23:03.559 hours before you guys even get a chance to get 1:23:03.600 --> 1:23:06.080 to it. Either he paid them extra money or is 1:23:06.080 --> 1:23:07.360 this extra nice to him or whatever. 1:23:07.840 --> 1:23:11.240 And then like come nine am when it's time to 1:23:11.360 --> 1:23:14.600 let everyone else in Capri used to be there the 1:23:14.720 --> 1:23:15.280 night before. 1:23:15.880 --> 1:23:17.840 Really he if you get a book of room in the. 1:23:17.880 --> 1:23:22.760 Hotel, smart smart, smart, so. 1:23:23.160 --> 1:23:24.640 It catch them while they's setting up. 1:23:25.240 --> 1:23:27.640 Really, let me see that. Let me so I'm an 1:23:27.680 --> 1:23:31.120 add its height? Like was it really just like the 1:23:31.240 --> 1:23:34.200 search for gold, the search for the perfect break? Not 1:23:34.360 --> 1:23:36.840 knowing what's on this or that? Like would you roll 1:23:36.880 --> 1:23:38.679 by yourself or would you guys roll as a group? 1:23:38.760 --> 1:23:41.320 I would go by myself. In the beginning, it would 1:23:41.360 --> 1:23:43.400 we would rally up and go together, you know, it 1:23:43.479 --> 1:23:45.880 would be kind of part of our day when we 1:23:46.000 --> 1:23:47.800 met up at the studio or something like that, you know. 1:23:48.479 --> 1:23:51.879 But then yeah, after a while, I start going by myself. 1:23:52.680 --> 1:23:56.479 I start even traveling different places just alone. Got you 1:23:56.640 --> 1:23:59.679 just how can focus? Okay and don't feel that pressure? 1:24:00.400 --> 1:24:04.639 Yeah okay, So I mean I've heard enough folklore behind 1:24:05.680 --> 1:24:09.080 you being responsible for me and myself and I all 1:24:09.080 --> 1:24:10.479 the way that we hate the song too. 1:24:10.720 --> 1:24:12.360 I guess okay, we like the song again. 1:24:12.400 --> 1:24:15.320 Now it's a legacy song from Suit the Nuts. What 1:24:15.520 --> 1:24:17.479 is your version of me? 1:24:17.640 --> 1:24:20.920 Myself and I? And also the three sided twelve inch idea? 1:24:21.080 --> 1:24:24.280 Like, Okay, let's start with the three sided thing with 1:24:24.400 --> 1:24:26.639 the double groove, right, I'm gonna give credit to Tom 1:24:26.680 --> 1:24:28.960 Silverman for that. Okay, I gotta give it to him 1:24:29.000 --> 1:24:33.439 for that. You know, I will always say, after whatever 1:24:33.680 --> 1:24:37.640 we decided to do business wise, you know, whether we 1:24:37.800 --> 1:24:40.920 liked it or not, whatever we decide after that creatively 1:24:41.040 --> 1:24:45.479 working with him was always pretty funky, you know. The 1:24:46.120 --> 1:24:48.960 so that double groove I did, I thought it wasn't 1:24:49.560 --> 1:24:51.000 I wish I thought of that, you know what I 1:24:51.080 --> 1:24:53.240 mean that. I was like that, well, we do give 1:24:53.280 --> 1:24:56.000 you guys credit for it, but I get it, you 1:24:56.160 --> 1:24:58.240 know what I'm saying. Why didn't come to me like 1:24:58.560 --> 1:25:01.040 you know, but I was up to him for that. 1:25:01.240 --> 1:25:04.640 You know. I had sat on that sample put it 1:25:04.720 --> 1:25:06.600 like that. I sat on that and more bounced to 1:25:06.680 --> 1:25:11.160 the ounce for a long time and more bounce broke 1:25:11.240 --> 1:25:15.000 my heart when e d And came along, because it 1:25:15.160 --> 1:25:17.479 was it was just a matter of time, especially when 1:25:17.520 --> 1:25:19.120 it's a dope loop, you know what I mean. It's 1:25:19.160 --> 1:25:22.280 just when it's in the ether, it's like somebody gonna 1:25:22.280 --> 1:25:24.639 get to this is out there. I grabbed it, somebody 1:25:24.680 --> 1:25:26.800 else grabbed it. It's all about who's gonna put it 1:25:26.840 --> 1:25:29.840 out now, you know. And sure enough they did an 1:25:29.880 --> 1:25:33.599 incredible job. I thought they you know, I wouldn't expect 1:25:33.640 --> 1:25:36.639 anything less. And then I sat on the Knee Deep 1:25:36.720 --> 1:25:39.040 record and I played with that for a while and 1:25:39.160 --> 1:25:39.760 they hated it. 1:25:40.040 --> 1:25:43.000 I'm saving people didn't catch on and like eighty nine 1:25:43.080 --> 1:25:45.400 for Knee Deep to finally make his debut and hip 1:25:45.400 --> 1:25:48.400 hop terms, that would have been super captain. That would 1:25:48.560 --> 1:25:50.519 that to me, would have been more obvious than anything 1:25:50.640 --> 1:25:54.880 James Brown did. But were you shocked that? Oh my god, 1:25:55.080 --> 1:25:58.479 not one person is bothered to go here yet to use. 1:25:59.080 --> 1:26:02.320 I was shocked, like put it like that. I felt 1:26:02.360 --> 1:26:05.479 like Eric Sermon was on my heels. I did feel that, 1:26:06.360 --> 1:26:09.439 you know, like he's a funk he knows, he knows. 1:26:09.640 --> 1:26:12.640 You know. I knew Paul was onto it because we 1:26:12.800 --> 1:26:16.760 both as Funkadelic fans. You know, I gave Paul, not 1:26:16.920 --> 1:26:20.920 even knowing, I gave Paul the Maggot Brain album with 1:26:21.080 --> 1:26:24.960 the joint we used for Millie. Yes, I didn't know 1:26:25.080 --> 1:26:27.719 that was on it like that. I gave it to Paul. 1:26:27.760 --> 1:26:28.799 I was do your homework. 1:26:28.960 --> 1:26:34.439 Yeah, so damn. 1:26:34.760 --> 1:26:37.599 I'm like Lisa is for us, like lisas for us, 1:26:38.120 --> 1:26:42.560 and yeah, the knee deep joint sat on it for 1:26:42.720 --> 1:26:46.400 so long. I even tried it with another artist and 1:26:46.520 --> 1:26:49.120 he didn't like it wasn't too fast or just I 1:26:49.200 --> 1:26:52.200 guess it was. Yeah, it was. This was around the 1:26:52.360 --> 1:26:54.960 era too, it was getting more up tempoed with things 1:26:55.000 --> 1:26:58.560 and it becoming more dance music hip hop, you know. 1:26:59.360 --> 1:27:02.680 So David Merse wasn't in it with me like that. 1:27:02.840 --> 1:27:05.280 They just was not there with me, you know. And 1:27:05.360 --> 1:27:07.439 I was like, shit, man, I was like, yo, we 1:27:07.560 --> 1:27:10.160 need to use this shit. I didn't know how to 1:27:10.880 --> 1:27:13.880 convince them in any way until we was at Tommy 1:27:13.960 --> 1:27:14.439 Boy and. 1:27:14.479 --> 1:27:17.120 They were fine with Hall of Newts and Steal he Dan, 1:27:17.840 --> 1:27:18.559 but this was like to. 1:27:19.880 --> 1:27:23.040 Hall of no that was past's idea, you know. And 1:27:23.120 --> 1:27:28.479 I could see, you know, conceptually, lyrically, I can understand 1:27:28.560 --> 1:27:30.640 those songs coming to life the way they did, you 1:27:30.720 --> 1:27:33.400 know what I mean, especially for what he had in mind, 1:27:33.600 --> 1:27:36.600 the anti drug song song about the Girl You know 1:27:36.640 --> 1:27:39.559 what I mean, Like this, when ellll was I Need love, 1:27:39.760 --> 1:27:42.920 King was with smooth operating, we need a girl's song, 1:27:43.000 --> 1:27:43.479 you know what I mean. 1:27:43.600 --> 1:27:46.479 So you saw this ass Oh, we need this song 1:27:46.560 --> 1:27:47.720 that the girls can get down to you. 1:27:47.840 --> 1:27:50.960 And that's what I saw him trying to do, like 1:27:51.160 --> 1:27:54.599 we need a As you evaluate in the records that's 1:27:54.640 --> 1:27:56.760 coming out around you, these are the templates we're going 1:27:56.800 --> 1:27:59.880 off of, you know, like listening to ELL's album, listening 1:27:59.880 --> 1:28:02.360 to pees album, listen to this one's album, listen to 1:28:02.840 --> 1:28:06.240 King's album, listening to slick Rick's new album. You know, 1:28:06.439 --> 1:28:09.280 cause slick rick album was like we needed to record 1:28:09.320 --> 1:28:11.559 two more songs. When we heard the Greatest Avinceres slick 1:28:11.640 --> 1:28:14.840 Rick that oh he came with a living in a 1:28:14.880 --> 1:28:18.880 full time era behind that trip, that that trip we had. 1:28:19.280 --> 1:28:21.960 We took a trip. We had some shows with forty 1:28:22.040 --> 1:28:24.760 five King and and like him Shabbaz and we was 1:28:24.800 --> 1:28:32.240 in a limo limo listening to the Greatest Adventures of 1:28:32.280 --> 1:28:36.720 slick Rick, and we was like, yo, we gotta come 1:28:36.760 --> 1:28:39.639 with it. We was like, okay, already off the gate. 1:28:39.680 --> 1:28:44.360 We was like, okay, this album already scrapped. The record 1:28:44.560 --> 1:28:48.160 was like our album isn't gonna not gonna do well. 1:28:48.240 --> 1:28:51.280 We we was already like, we're just thankful for the 1:28:51.400 --> 1:28:54.559 opportunity of making an album, you know what I'm saying. Also, 1:28:54.720 --> 1:28:57.920 when something when the labels also telling you, uh, we 1:28:58.080 --> 1:29:00.120 really think we got a great record here, but we 1:29:00.240 --> 1:29:01.920 only sell it. We only think it's gonna sell like 1:29:01.960 --> 1:29:06.240 fifty thousand units. We're being told these things. So I'm 1:29:06.320 --> 1:29:08.920 really thinking about going to the military and all that, 1:29:09.200 --> 1:29:11.400 all the things that was on my list before that 1:29:11.479 --> 1:29:15.400 album deal came along. I was pretty much I was 1:29:15.439 --> 1:29:17.960 about to put it. It was all back on my list, like, Okay, 1:29:18.000 --> 1:29:21.160 after this album, I'm probably going to the military or 1:29:21.640 --> 1:29:24.280 into the work force something, because I don't see this 1:29:24.520 --> 1:29:28.600 music thing really being successful for us. You know, I 1:29:28.840 --> 1:29:31.240 swear to you know where you at when you just 1:29:31.320 --> 1:29:34.880 got two singles out and you know, you're just happy, 1:29:35.160 --> 1:29:37.960 you know, And I'm just happy, Like, yeah, we were 1:29:38.040 --> 1:29:40.800 embarking upon this thing called sampling, and we got people 1:29:40.880 --> 1:29:44.400 who supposed to pay for tearing the samples. So we 1:29:45.160 --> 1:29:47.760 thinking we get permission to do all these things we're 1:29:47.840 --> 1:29:50.640 actually doing. So the body of work and the opportunity 1:29:50.680 --> 1:29:57.000 we're like every day was happy to be in the moment, right, 1:29:57.280 --> 1:30:01.040 you know, when is it gonna end? That was the question. 1:30:13.040 --> 1:30:16.559 At what point do you realize that you've caught lightning 1:30:16.600 --> 1:30:17.240 in a bottle? 1:30:18.360 --> 1:30:20.920 Like, oh shit, not only is this gonna work, but 1:30:21.720 --> 1:30:24.240 this will be as impactful as raising hell. 1:30:24.400 --> 1:30:27.360 After the marketing meeting at least with me myself or not. 1:30:27.800 --> 1:30:30.479 After the marketing meeting that we had that Tommy Boy 1:30:30.560 --> 1:30:32.840 and they were like, we feel like this is a 1:30:33.000 --> 1:30:36.040 great record. The feedback that we're getting back is phenomenal, 1:30:36.120 --> 1:30:38.920 but what's going on out there. We don't know if 1:30:38.960 --> 1:30:41.479 this is gonna do well. So we're guessing around fifty 1:30:41.560 --> 1:30:45.559 thousand units. We also have you guys got great records. 1:30:45.600 --> 1:30:48.880 You know, the music that you chose, the sample, you know, 1:30:49.320 --> 1:30:52.479 it was definitely white oriented, you know. So they was 1:30:52.520 --> 1:30:54.720 also like, we don't really have anything we can go 1:30:54.840 --> 1:30:58.880 to black radio with. Remember black radio was a thing then, yeah, 1:30:58.960 --> 1:31:01.759 you know what I'm saying. So, and I never forget 1:31:01.960 --> 1:31:05.160 at Strickland, remember ed being one of the main people 1:31:06.040 --> 1:31:08.760 feeling like there was nothing quite there yet to go 1:31:08.840 --> 1:31:12.040 to black radio way, And what ended up coming up 1:31:12.800 --> 1:31:16.960 was me myself and I and also the remix for 1:31:17.040 --> 1:31:20.519 Buddy that those were the two records that landed it 1:31:20.600 --> 1:31:23.320 for Black Radio. How I end up me myself and 1:31:23.400 --> 1:31:26.960 I end up being the record that we finally decided 1:31:26.960 --> 1:31:29.479 to say. Well, Paul called me up and was like, yo, 1:31:29.600 --> 1:31:33.439 may spring that to the studio. It was when I 1:31:33.560 --> 1:31:36.120 want to say it was the same day that evening 1:31:36.720 --> 1:31:39.479 we went to a Zulu Nation party at Hotel Amazon 1:31:40.360 --> 1:31:42.479 and I don't know if it was Bam or Jazzy 1:31:42.600 --> 1:31:44.599 J who was DJing, one of them was on at 1:31:44.640 --> 1:31:48.400 the time, and they dropped me deep. They dropped knee deep, 1:31:48.520 --> 1:31:51.920 and then it went crazy in there and I hit David. 1:31:51.920 --> 1:31:55.840 I'm like, I'm telling you this just right, Yeah, this 1:31:56.040 --> 1:31:57.200 is the one, and. 1:31:57.280 --> 1:31:59.840 He was looking at me like like gave me that 1:32:00.040 --> 1:32:02.320 look like I think he right, But I don't want 1:32:02.360 --> 1:32:03.040 to do this, you know. 1:32:03.840 --> 1:32:05.800 Dave was always the hardest one to convince. 1:32:05.600 --> 1:32:08.840 Always hardest one to convince. Sure enough. I don't know 1:32:08.960 --> 1:32:12.280 what made them. They must all had a discussion with Paul, 1:32:12.920 --> 1:32:14.880 and then Paul calledban was like, Mat, bring that to 1:32:15.000 --> 1:32:17.599 the studio, bring that drive to the studio. And then 1:32:17.600 --> 1:32:19.960 when I brought it to the studio, I just had 1:32:20.080 --> 1:32:23.040 a basic loop with the drum tap running a little 1:32:23.040 --> 1:32:25.360 bit more than what you hear on the record, some 1:32:25.560 --> 1:32:28.160 drum programming behind it, and Paul came with the wrapper, 1:32:28.240 --> 1:32:33.639 Dapper Snapper, the Dougie fresh cuts, got the He had 1:32:33.680 --> 1:32:37.280 the idea of running the loop, the running, running the 1:32:37.360 --> 1:32:41.920 loop from the tape into the DJ mixer back onto 1:32:42.000 --> 1:32:45.719 the tape so we could transform all the Yeah because 1:32:45.760 --> 1:32:50.800 a crazy on it. Yeah okay, and the Dougie first cuts. 1:32:50.800 --> 1:32:53.560 We were going back and forth with that boom. So 1:32:54.320 --> 1:32:56.320 it was me and Paul going back and forth like 1:32:56.400 --> 1:32:59.599 on some DJ ship in the studio developing the track. 1:33:00.080 --> 1:33:02.360 These two dudes sitting in the back and you can 1:33:02.400 --> 1:33:06.040 see the look on their face like this shit is 1:33:06.560 --> 1:33:10.840 coming out good, like oh shit, like it's working, Oh 1:33:11.000 --> 1:33:16.400 my god. And then all I can remember is these 1:33:16.479 --> 1:33:22.519 two guys spoofing black as Black Botto Jungle Brothers, and 1:33:23.439 --> 1:33:25.960 it was just they were just in the never because 1:33:26.000 --> 1:33:28.320 they was back there bucking out. And the more and 1:33:28.439 --> 1:33:32.680 more it got clownish in backfired, and I think that 1:33:32.920 --> 1:33:37.600 was also the revelation of the humor and. 1:33:37.680 --> 1:33:40.840 What we do is gonna work, gotcha, you know, Okay, 1:33:41.160 --> 1:33:43.920 I gotta ask this question, and maybe this is me 1:33:44.080 --> 1:33:46.800 bridging two Day Las Soul is Dead and kind of 1:33:46.880 --> 1:33:51.200 be even though steeped in humor, it did come a 1:33:51.240 --> 1:33:54.160 little defensive. But you know, for the record Day Lost 1:33:54.160 --> 1:33:56.240 Souls there is my all time favorite record, not even 1:33:56.360 --> 1:33:59.439 in your can, but just that's what made me tarik 1:33:59.479 --> 1:34:02.240 when I started group when we heard this. But can 1:34:02.320 --> 1:34:05.160 you give me what is your average memory of the 1:34:05.320 --> 1:34:11.439 Nitro tour with LL and Wa public enemy you guys. 1:34:11.920 --> 1:34:16.600 My average memory? Yes, I don't think anything was average about. 1:34:18.520 --> 1:34:19.120 What was it like? 1:34:19.320 --> 1:34:29.760 Oh man, it was uh okay, I'm trying to see 1:34:29.880 --> 1:34:32.120 where I could go with this without uh. 1:34:32.160 --> 1:34:34.280 Ah, you're right, right, right, okay, let me ask this 1:34:34.320 --> 1:34:35.840 is yes you no question? Okay. 1:34:35.920 --> 1:34:37.920 So one of the main positions on De La Soul's 1:34:37.960 --> 1:34:39.680 Dead is like, yo, cats are trying to test us 1:34:40.120 --> 1:34:43.760 and again to hear you guys were getting in the 1:34:43.840 --> 1:34:48.439 scuffles in various cities based on people thinking that you're 1:34:48.439 --> 1:34:51.920 a certain way or whatever, soft or whatever, like whatever 1:34:52.479 --> 1:34:55.160 the thing was in eighty nine to ninety Yeah, I 1:34:55.240 --> 1:34:57.760 mean irony that it's coming from you guys who in 1:34:57.840 --> 1:34:58.640 our heads were like. 1:34:59.000 --> 1:35:01.240 Wait this day all saw as the last group weeks back. 1:35:01.760 --> 1:35:05.200 This was also a time period We were still young 1:35:05.360 --> 1:35:10.519 and fresh on the scene, so being backstage and all 1:35:10.560 --> 1:35:13.040 of that wasn't all of that important to us. We 1:35:13.840 --> 1:35:18.519 enjoyed being around the people, but not realizing the danger 1:35:20.320 --> 1:35:21.840 we would be out in the audience. Man, we would 1:35:21.880 --> 1:35:23.880 be hanging out like we was hanging out at Club 1:35:24.000 --> 1:35:28.439 Mars or something like that Irvian Plaza, you know, like 1:35:28.520 --> 1:35:30.560 if we were just hanging out in the city, you know. 1:35:30.720 --> 1:35:34.560 And the way the tour was, it was like we 1:35:34.720 --> 1:35:37.879 all had camaraderie, you know. It was a real brotherhood 1:35:37.920 --> 1:35:42.280 out there, you know, like LL's and his pops. They 1:35:42.360 --> 1:35:45.960 all looked after us, you know, Kine's crew like you know. 1:35:46.040 --> 1:35:50.519 And this was also although the tour was marketed as 1:35:51.680 --> 1:35:56.400 LL Day Lost Slick Rick Kine, it was n w 1:35:56.600 --> 1:36:00.840 A on that tour too Short every now and Again 1:36:00.960 --> 1:36:07.640 Special led EPMDPE. It was hip hop from east to 1:36:07.720 --> 1:36:10.559 west all over this tour. Yoyo was on the tour 1:36:10.880 --> 1:36:14.160 like just a little bit of everybody. Every city had 1:36:14.280 --> 1:36:18.160 something body different or or you know, a string of dates. 1:36:18.760 --> 1:36:21.720 They was on Ghetto Boys every now and again, So 1:36:21.840 --> 1:36:24.200 it was like just a lot of love. Man. 1:36:24.600 --> 1:36:26.120 Is it true that you guys are there for the 1:36:26.280 --> 1:36:28.120 infamous Detroit Night with Yeah. 1:36:28.800 --> 1:36:31.240 Actually, but you see in the movie happen on that 1:36:31.439 --> 1:36:36.599 tour and really how it went. Wren dedicated the song 1:36:36.760 --> 1:36:40.840 to pas it was Passa's birthday. He dedicated the song 1:36:40.960 --> 1:36:43.760 the pass and then Cube went into it, you know, 1:36:44.760 --> 1:36:47.840 and it als maybe about less than sixty seconds the 1:36:47.960 --> 1:36:53.439 hoopla jumped off. Yeah, the police throwing eights. We I mean, 1:36:53.479 --> 1:36:55.439 obviously we all thought it was gunshots, but it was 1:36:55.560 --> 1:36:58.840 police who lit ads throw them towards stage as they 1:36:58.880 --> 1:37:02.160 went off. Of course, the soilid gunshot, so that created 1:37:02.240 --> 1:37:05.120 the chaos. You know, it was a big thing because 1:37:05.200 --> 1:37:10.680 of the police around the country had an issue with them, 1:37:10.800 --> 1:37:13.920 you know, FBI had an issue with them. So the 1:37:14.080 --> 1:37:18.080 actual officers on the scene really didn't have an issue. 1:37:18.160 --> 1:37:23.439 They were just following the job because when they got 1:37:23.520 --> 1:37:26.680 finally got to them, they asked them for autographs. When 1:37:26.720 --> 1:37:28.960 Easy came back to the hotel, he was like, oh man, 1:37:29.000 --> 1:37:32.840 they just wanted our autograph and they just seem embarrassed 1:37:32.880 --> 1:37:36.640 because of the song, and it's just it's just feel embarrassed. 1:37:37.200 --> 1:37:39.519 Like as a DJ, I hate speaking on the mic. 1:37:39.960 --> 1:37:43.760 I'm still on the this is this thing on your 1:37:44.280 --> 1:37:46.760 phone's here in the DJ booth and whatever. But like, 1:37:47.000 --> 1:37:51.519 how did you learn to do something with authority but 1:37:51.680 --> 1:37:55.439 actually make it fun and not? Is it just years 1:37:55.439 --> 1:37:57.400 and years of communicating or yeah? 1:37:57.520 --> 1:38:03.080 I think it's years of communicating, years of watching and 1:38:03.640 --> 1:38:06.799 remaining a student to this and watching the highs and lows, 1:38:07.439 --> 1:38:12.599 and also that having that feeling of knowing that there's 1:38:12.680 --> 1:38:15.639 somebody out there who may have never ever seen us before, 1:38:16.600 --> 1:38:21.640 you know, I guess also watching paying attention to the 1:38:21.760 --> 1:38:26.040 barometer of the business of day lasso and knowing when 1:38:26.080 --> 1:38:27.960 you're hot and knowing when you're not, you know what 1:38:28.000 --> 1:38:31.599 I mean, And knowing that every time you get up there, 1:38:32.160 --> 1:38:35.960 you're introducing yourself to somebody who may have never encountered 1:38:36.000 --> 1:38:38.360 you before. And I think a lot of that comes 1:38:38.400 --> 1:38:41.800 from also the early days of being on these festivals 1:38:42.680 --> 1:38:46.360 that are so alternative. Especially I think when we did 1:38:46.439 --> 1:38:49.360 define Young Cannibals to her, we were like a fish 1:38:49.400 --> 1:38:53.479 out of water, you know, and we got booed pretty bad, 1:38:54.439 --> 1:38:57.640 and two him, we did me myself and I it was. 1:38:57.720 --> 1:38:59.519 Like, damn, I would have thought that would have been 1:39:00.080 --> 1:39:01.280 easy reach. 1:39:01.240 --> 1:39:04.439 Until we did that song is when we got the love. 1:39:04.560 --> 1:39:07.479 But throughout our performance. It was a struggle, was like, 1:39:07.600 --> 1:39:09.240 and you had to learn. You had to learn how 1:39:09.320 --> 1:39:14.080 to figure out what songs work for what audience, what territories, 1:39:14.240 --> 1:39:17.120 you know, start really thinking like a DJ, you know 1:39:17.160 --> 1:39:21.200 what I'm saying, and connecting with what's gonna work, what's 1:39:21.240 --> 1:39:26.040 not gonna work. Implement more crowd participation. Okay, for somebody 1:39:26.120 --> 1:39:28.760 who don't know us, we could still have a good time. 1:39:29.240 --> 1:39:31.880 Let's try to get them involved. So that's where a 1:39:31.920 --> 1:39:34.599 lot of the crowd participation come in because you'll find 1:39:34.640 --> 1:39:36.920 people going I never heard or say you guys before, 1:39:36.960 --> 1:39:38.920 but I had a great time, and that's only because 1:39:38.960 --> 1:39:39.840 they were involved. 1:39:40.160 --> 1:39:44.000 So to go from Fyan Cannibals to now you guys 1:39:44.040 --> 1:39:47.320 have been doing a lot of rotation with the gorillas, Yeah, well, 1:39:47.400 --> 1:39:49.720 first of all, I didn't even properly introduce you your 1:39:49.800 --> 1:39:54.800 Grammy Award winning Vin's Amazon. So cand you talk about 1:39:54.880 --> 1:39:58.120 working with the gorillas and even touring with them, and 1:39:58.320 --> 1:40:02.120 how that because by looking at the footage of what 1:40:02.240 --> 1:40:05.200 I see like nightly when you guys do gigs with them, 1:40:07.880 --> 1:40:10.280 you know, do you just talk about like the whole 1:40:10.360 --> 1:40:11.479 collaboration that feel good? 1:40:11.560 --> 1:40:13.400 I think by the time we got to the Gorillas, 1:40:13.439 --> 1:40:15.479 we were already well groomed, you know what I mean. 1:40:16.080 --> 1:40:20.000 It was for me before even the group even heard them. 1:40:20.040 --> 1:40:22.680 It was something I wanted to do, and I was 1:40:22.760 --> 1:40:26.880 already fascinated with them. When Dell worked with them, I 1:40:27.040 --> 1:40:29.320 was like, oh man, when Dell worked with them, I 1:40:29.400 --> 1:40:31.320 wasn't even thinking about working with them. I just really 1:40:31.360 --> 1:40:33.880 wanted the record. I was like, Yo, this record, It's crazy. 1:40:34.280 --> 1:40:37.240 I gotta have this. It was one of them I 1:40:37.360 --> 1:40:40.120 wanted under my belt. Here it is. I felt like, 1:40:40.360 --> 1:40:44.000 I played this record, they gonna want this from Massio. 1:40:44.200 --> 1:40:46.200 If I play that record, you know, they might not 1:40:46.280 --> 1:40:48.080 want it from Kupree, but they don't want it from me, 1:40:48.280 --> 1:40:49.960 you know what I'm saying, right right? So, and I 1:40:50.120 --> 1:40:53.000 was in love with it and then chasing it around 1:40:53.200 --> 1:40:57.360 for about a good year under the assumption that Danny 1:40:57.439 --> 1:41:00.720 Automator was the Gorillas. Come to find he wasn't. He's 1:41:00.760 --> 1:41:03.200 just a producer of that song. But I more and 1:41:03.320 --> 1:41:05.960 more I got closer to it. I forgot who. I 1:41:06.120 --> 1:41:09.280 met a cat. I met Matt, a cat named Matt, 1:41:09.880 --> 1:41:13.280 and then Matt ended up having a conversation with Remy. 1:41:14.360 --> 1:41:17.719 Remy is Damon's best friend. As I hear the story 1:41:17.800 --> 1:41:21.080 from the other side, Remy was the one going, Damon, 1:41:21.680 --> 1:41:24.800 you need to mess with Dayla. You need to mess 1:41:24.880 --> 1:41:28.160 with Dayla. Dell is like the sun of Daylight. 1:41:28.880 --> 1:41:30.720 I'm saying because I thought the same thing. 1:41:30.840 --> 1:41:33.640 He was like, you need to do this. But I 1:41:33.680 --> 1:41:37.960 could see Dell's intro was Dan, you know what I'm saying. 1:41:38.200 --> 1:41:40.439 I could see Damon and probably know much about Dan 1:41:40.960 --> 1:41:44.439 Dell either. So but Dan being on deck, you know, 1:41:44.800 --> 1:41:49.599 especially after doing you know, handsome boy modeling school, that's 1:41:49.640 --> 1:41:52.280 all in Damon's lane, you know what I'm saying, the 1:41:52.360 --> 1:41:55.120 corky projects, that's in his lane. So I could see 1:41:55.160 --> 1:41:57.840 how their relationship developed, and Dell got a part of that. 1:41:58.000 --> 1:42:01.160 But as I was fighting just to get the records, 1:42:02.240 --> 1:42:04.120 it landed up on his ears like yo, you need 1:42:04.200 --> 1:42:05.920 to mess with Daylight. And then we got a call 1:42:06.800 --> 1:42:09.200 to come be a part of this project. And it 1:42:09.280 --> 1:42:11.360 was supposed to be a completely another song altogether. 1:42:11.560 --> 1:42:12.320 How did they come together? 1:42:12.320 --> 1:42:15.240 Because actually you're laughter and all that stuff, like that's 1:42:15.479 --> 1:42:18.479 the most memorable part of it, Like how did that 1:42:18.560 --> 1:42:18.920 come to be? 1:42:19.600 --> 1:42:22.320 It was a different track altogether. I think the track 1:42:22.600 --> 1:42:25.120 now the track we were supposed to do is now 1:42:25.200 --> 1:42:28.960 titled Kids with Guns. When we were working on the track, 1:42:29.120 --> 1:42:32.040 it was like no one was really feeling it, you 1:42:32.120 --> 1:42:34.679 know what I mean, we were just kind of doing 1:42:34.800 --> 1:42:37.960 the job. It became one of the moments that I 1:42:38.040 --> 1:42:41.640 didn't like about us. You know, Let's not do this 1:42:42.600 --> 1:42:45.679 for the money, you know what I mean, Like, Okay, 1:42:45.760 --> 1:42:48.280 this money on the table, but if it ain't really clicking, 1:42:48.400 --> 1:42:51.000 let's not do this, you know what I mean. And 1:42:51.320 --> 1:42:54.040 somewhere in the session, Damon just stopped the session. He 1:42:54.200 --> 1:42:56.880 was like, Yo, honestly, what do y'all think about the song? 1:42:57.520 --> 1:42:59.519 I said, Yo, man, I think we're forcing something here, 1:43:00.080 --> 1:43:02.640 I said, I don't think it's a real collaboration. I 1:43:02.760 --> 1:43:08.160 think we're just featuring on something. You know. I said. 1:43:09.080 --> 1:43:11.160 No one's really putting the spirit in it into this 1:43:11.320 --> 1:43:13.160 that I know, you know we could put into this. 1:43:13.720 --> 1:43:16.400 I said me personally, I think the song is. I 1:43:16.479 --> 1:43:18.200 think the track is cool the way it is. I 1:43:18.240 --> 1:43:19.960 don't think we need to do anything to it. I 1:43:20.000 --> 1:43:22.679 don't think. I don't even hear these guys on this track. 1:43:23.240 --> 1:43:26.080 Merce already had something for it. So it did frustrate him. 1:43:26.120 --> 1:43:29.360 You know what, I'm saying Merce had something for it. Alreright, 1:43:29.560 --> 1:43:31.320 you know what I'm saying, I said, but I'm being honest. 1:43:31.360 --> 1:43:33.479 I don't even think I hit my cool on this track. 1:43:34.200 --> 1:43:36.479 And then Dave was like, Yo, why don't you play 1:43:36.560 --> 1:43:40.080 us everything you got you intend to put on the album? 1:43:40.479 --> 1:43:42.519 You know, just just play us with everything you you 1:43:42.600 --> 1:43:45.200 know you recorded that you think you're gonna it's gonna 1:43:45.200 --> 1:43:49.240 make the album. And they started playing stuff, and Merce 1:43:49.439 --> 1:43:52.960 was frustrated because Mer had his head, he had his 1:43:53.040 --> 1:43:55.960 tunnel vision for what was going on, and I knew 1:43:56.040 --> 1:44:00.479 that too, but I informed everybody. I was like, yo, man, 1:44:01.439 --> 1:44:03.559 let me know what it really is before I get 1:44:03.640 --> 1:44:07.840 on this plane. I said, Cuz I know I'm easy 1:44:07.920 --> 1:44:09.719 to upset the opera coot. You know what I'm saying. 1:44:09.960 --> 1:44:12.000 If I ain't feeling it, I ain't feeling it. I'm 1:44:12.000 --> 1:44:15.240 gonna speak my mind. You know, right, wrong and different. 1:44:15.240 --> 1:44:17.680 I'm gonna speak my mind and we go and go 1:44:17.800 --> 1:44:21.240 with it from there. So as I spoke my mind, 1:44:21.360 --> 1:44:26.559 things start to shift. Merce was slightly frustrated. Then Damon 1:44:26.600 --> 1:44:30.160 started playing stuff. Next thing you know, Tequila's coming out, 1:44:31.120 --> 1:44:34.639 Weed's coming out, but he's spending like a good nine 1:44:34.680 --> 1:44:37.920 hours in the studio listening to stuff and kind of 1:44:37.960 --> 1:44:41.479 waiting for the you know, the inspiration and all of 1:44:41.520 --> 1:44:45.559 these this tension to settle. Once at tension settled, Damon 1:44:45.640 --> 1:44:49.439 got around to the feel good in't track right, and 1:44:49.600 --> 1:44:52.240 next thing you know, this is one of the days 1:44:52.920 --> 1:44:57.280 Dave decides to smoke weed. Doesn't normally smoke weed. You know, 1:44:58.000 --> 1:45:00.720 I always called Dave a holiday smoker, but he only 1:45:00.960 --> 1:45:03.639 he's the only one that knows the holiday. You don't 1:45:03.640 --> 1:45:06.160 know when, you'll know when it's coming. So this was 1:45:06.200 --> 1:45:08.640 one of them days. And set en off. We're in there, 1:45:08.680 --> 1:45:12.960 we're getting charged, and the beat comes on and he goes, Mace, 1:45:14.160 --> 1:45:18.800 why do I keep hearing doodle Brown? He's like, I 1:45:18.960 --> 1:45:21.680 keep hearing Dude Brown. As the track is playing, he's going, 1:45:22.000 --> 1:45:23.320 don't stop bop. 1:45:23.160 --> 1:45:25.360 That pussy, let me see you doodle Brown. 1:45:25.640 --> 1:45:28.240 The whole time, he's like, why do I keep hearing this? 1:45:29.520 --> 1:45:33.880 So he start to craft the lyrics, and that's where 1:45:33.920 --> 1:45:38.080 you get the the lukeadens and check out how I 1:45:38.240 --> 1:45:43.280 na that's all that. Yeah, that's all of that. That's 1:45:43.280 --> 1:45:45.240 where it came from. That's where it came from. Dude 1:45:45.320 --> 1:45:49.080 Brown literally literally and he was like, yo, when he 1:45:49.160 --> 1:45:54.000 came with the check out, how I Mace, I need 1:45:54.080 --> 1:45:57.120 to laugh, Mace, I need to laugh, I need to laugh, 1:45:58.000 --> 1:46:01.720 and I laugh. I did that laugh. I forgot when 1:46:01.720 --> 1:46:04.599 I started doing that. It was a show we used 1:46:04.640 --> 1:46:08.080 to do bionics. We used to end the show with bionics, 1:46:09.080 --> 1:46:12.400 and I started to do the laugh. The laugh was 1:46:12.479 --> 1:46:15.080 intentional because I forgot what tour we was on. We 1:46:15.280 --> 1:46:21.360 was on Rock the Bells before l got the Way Back, 1:46:21.800 --> 1:46:24.560 we was on that. So the ensemble of artists that 1:46:24.760 --> 1:46:27.439 was on there, this is that competitive nature. Were all 1:46:27.479 --> 1:46:30.160 out there trying to pull out our best, our best shit. 1:46:30.320 --> 1:46:33.479 So you know, our secret weapon was always Fife and Biz. 1:46:34.640 --> 1:46:37.080 Bring Fife and Biz out and then we would close 1:46:37.200 --> 1:46:39.720 bionics and then I would do the laugh and the 1:46:39.840 --> 1:46:43.599 laugh as you know, it just it mean, it was intentional. 1:46:43.680 --> 1:46:47.160 It was like in the Bionics it was ha ha ha, 1:46:47.439 --> 1:46:50.800 We're still here. That's what it really meant in that moment, 1:46:51.400 --> 1:46:54.920 and then we just held on to it. It was like, yo, 1:46:55.000 --> 1:46:56.840 you gotta keep doing that, you gotta keep doing that. 1:46:57.479 --> 1:47:00.240 And then yeah, I just kept rocking it for while. 1:47:00.280 --> 1:47:03.400 I did a Cornerstone mixtape using a laugh and then 1:47:04.080 --> 1:47:06.280 came up to go to the Gorilla's record. Dave was 1:47:06.360 --> 1:47:10.479 like the laugh or recalled him, was like, I need 1:47:10.560 --> 1:47:13.240 to laugh. I laugh, okay, So it went down in 1:47:13.280 --> 1:47:16.160 the studio. I just kept doing it and doing it, 1:47:16.240 --> 1:47:19.240 and they was all fascinated in the studio how I 1:47:19.320 --> 1:47:21.960 could keep doing it and keep doing it, and it 1:47:22.080 --> 1:47:23.280 was like, how do you do that? I was like, 1:47:23.439 --> 1:47:25.479 I don't know, man, that's my laugh. I mean it's 1:47:25.520 --> 1:47:30.240 a little bit more embellished because I'm forcing something, you know, 1:47:31.080 --> 1:47:33.720 but it feels authentic though, But that's my laugh. I'm like, 1:47:34.000 --> 1:47:37.240 my laugh used to get me into trouble. My laugh 1:47:37.320 --> 1:47:40.560 would get me into fights literally, So for it to 1:47:40.640 --> 1:47:43.040 turn out to be that, you know what I mean, like, 1:47:43.120 --> 1:47:45.200 it's a good turnaround, you know. I mean I used 1:47:45.200 --> 1:47:48.080 to get ridiculed by behind my life. I end up 1:47:48.120 --> 1:47:50.360 in bouts a lot of times just behind my laugh, 1:47:50.600 --> 1:47:51.120 you know what I mean. 1:47:51.720 --> 1:47:55.200 You know, it's ironic because my first impression of you 1:47:55.280 --> 1:47:58.320 guys like, oh, that's the nerd, that's the happy, go 1:47:58.439 --> 1:48:00.160 lucky hippie, and he's one. 1:48:00.200 --> 1:48:02.600 Beat me up. But now it's like. 1:48:05.760 --> 1:48:09.200 David is a moody one. So for me to discover oh, 1:48:09.280 --> 1:48:11.200 the moody one is the one I thought was the nerd. 1:48:12.000 --> 1:48:15.240 Passu is based on his versus alone, and I think 1:48:15.280 --> 1:48:19.360 that's his his therapeutic thing. Pass is a low key player, 1:48:19.800 --> 1:48:25.120 like just when all this little like and I'm like, oh, okay, pass, 1:48:25.160 --> 1:48:27.160 I don't know you got downline and then you are 1:48:27.320 --> 1:48:42.559 actually the heart of day last soul to me. Besides 1:48:42.600 --> 1:48:46.160 getting your masters back, one of the most revolutionary things 1:48:46.240 --> 1:48:50.800 that you guys did was you were like first out 1:48:50.880 --> 1:48:55.400 the gate at least with using established group that I know, 1:48:55.560 --> 1:49:02.400 using Kickstarter as their business modus operandi, you know, like 1:49:02.560 --> 1:49:06.479 instead of relying on a record label. And I won't 1:49:06.479 --> 1:49:09.360 say the burden of wanting to take all that on yourself, 1:49:10.040 --> 1:49:15.800 how would you guys talked into kickstarting and raising funds 1:49:15.840 --> 1:49:18.479 for yourself? By the way, murs, I've not got my 1:49:18.560 --> 1:49:25.120 sneakers yet. However, what made you guys decide to do it? 1:49:25.240 --> 1:49:28.560 What have you learned about yourself as businessmen? And I 1:49:28.600 --> 1:49:31.680 guess I can also tie into having your masters now 1:49:32.000 --> 1:49:35.400 and what it takes to release the music that we 1:49:35.560 --> 1:49:38.000 want to hear again. So just like start with the 1:49:38.080 --> 1:49:41.560 whole kickstarter concept with what I would I don't know 1:49:41.600 --> 1:49:44.400 if it's a nightmare, or just like I'll sure we'll 1:49:44.439 --> 1:49:46.000 do it again, or not do it again? Like what 1:49:46.200 --> 1:49:46.800 was it like for you? 1:49:47.320 --> 1:49:52.559 It was a daunting experience, but an experience I wouldn't change, 1:49:52.800 --> 1:49:57.040 you know, well, because you give myself no pats on 1:49:57.160 --> 1:50:00.760 the back, But I pay attention really close to this 1:50:00.960 --> 1:50:03.840 business from the time we got in and all the 1:50:03.920 --> 1:50:07.880 different changes, the different fasts. I read Donald Passman's both 1:50:07.920 --> 1:50:12.200 of his books. You know, that was a great template 1:50:12.280 --> 1:50:15.439 for me to which book everything you know you didn't 1:50:15.439 --> 1:50:18.040 need to know about the music business. Yeah, and then 1:50:18.080 --> 1:50:21.360 he had did a second one that touched on the 1:50:21.479 --> 1:50:23.120 change with the Internet and know what, you know what 1:50:23.160 --> 1:50:27.960 I'm saying, Yeah, I'm data. Yeah. So those were great 1:50:28.000 --> 1:50:32.599 templates for me to continue to navigate through the business 1:50:33.479 --> 1:50:36.240 of Day Last Soul and the music business in general. 1:50:36.760 --> 1:50:39.400 Prior to that, it was always Prince Paul, you know, 1:50:39.600 --> 1:50:43.920 Prince Paul. When I was struggling with certain things, I 1:50:44.000 --> 1:50:45.720 went back to Paul and Paul was like, yo, I 1:50:45.800 --> 1:50:48.479 can't help you. Paul was like, I can't help you, 1:50:48.560 --> 1:50:50.880 he said, because you've had success that I never had. 1:50:52.360 --> 1:50:54.760 So that tripped me out. You know what, I'm saying 1:50:54.960 --> 1:50:58.880 it was like, yeah, yeah, it was like you had 1:50:58.920 --> 1:51:00.760 some success that I didn't have. He says, So I 1:51:00.840 --> 1:51:04.400 don't even know how to tell you how to navigate 1:51:04.520 --> 1:51:07.439 what you're dealing with, you know. So I started to 1:51:08.439 --> 1:51:12.320 pray a lot more, have study more, and have real 1:51:12.400 --> 1:51:16.480 discernment on different conversations I was having with different executives 1:51:16.520 --> 1:51:19.960 that like to manipulate and learning, they hustle and figuring 1:51:20.000 --> 1:51:22.680 out just just pulling this piece apart. And I know, 1:51:23.880 --> 1:51:27.240 the more waves you create, the more they want you 1:51:27.320 --> 1:51:29.639 to get out the way, you know. And that's one 1:51:29.680 --> 1:51:32.760 thing I did learn, like, oh, I'm creating waves. So 1:51:32.840 --> 1:51:35.519 nobody want to mess with Mace. They want to talk 1:51:35.600 --> 1:51:37.479 the past. They want to talk to Dave, they want 1:51:37.520 --> 1:51:41.760 to talk to who they think is docile, will be agreeable, 1:51:41.840 --> 1:51:45.639 and yeah, you know, not knowing that you might want 1:51:45.640 --> 1:51:51.360 to talk to me because my guys trust. 1:51:53.000 --> 1:51:53.720 Me that much. 1:51:53.800 --> 1:51:54.200 I do know. 1:51:54.760 --> 1:51:59.360 But in certain changes that were happening, you know, we 1:51:59.600 --> 1:52:03.560 are a little conflicting with one another based on the 1:52:03.680 --> 1:52:07.160 fact that some of us was paying attention to certain 1:52:07.200 --> 1:52:09.080 things that others weren't, you know what I'm saying. So 1:52:09.800 --> 1:52:13.680 this was another milestone in our relationship on trying to 1:52:13.800 --> 1:52:16.960 connect with one another's growth. For the longest, I've been 1:52:17.000 --> 1:52:20.479 the little brother, you know, I was like, here's for 1:52:20.520 --> 1:52:22.519 a better term. I was like, look, based on how 1:52:22.560 --> 1:52:25.160 we're growing in this, stop calling me the little brother. 1:52:25.439 --> 1:52:29.320 Call me the younger brother. Got you, you know, because 1:52:29.360 --> 1:52:32.720 the little brothers seems like the one you need to 1:52:32.760 --> 1:52:34.800 protect who don't know nothing, you know what I mean, 1:52:35.560 --> 1:52:39.120 that's a connotation, you know, you know, And that wasn't 1:52:40.080 --> 1:52:41.920 what was going on between me and past I was 1:52:42.000 --> 1:52:45.479 going on between me and Dave. So once we established that, 1:52:45.960 --> 1:52:49.880 it was another growth in our relationship as brothers, you know, 1:52:50.600 --> 1:52:52.800 like Mace may be on to something here, you know. 1:52:53.400 --> 1:52:55.760 The kickstarter idea came up. It was a bit of 1:52:55.840 --> 1:52:59.800 a struggle because Dave Verbatim felt like, Yo, we look 1:52:59.880 --> 1:53:03.519 like we begging. You know, it looked like we this 1:53:03.800 --> 1:53:06.519 system looked like we begging. And I was like, it 1:53:06.760 --> 1:53:07.280 wasn't weird. 1:53:07.600 --> 1:53:12.000 Like when when Tommy boyd impluded, you just think like, Okay, 1:53:12.040 --> 1:53:14.040 we'll just go to another label or fine. 1:53:14.120 --> 1:53:16.080 That was that was the you know, that's always the 1:53:16.400 --> 1:53:19.080 was the well. When Tommy Wait folded, we did go 1:53:19.160 --> 1:53:22.600 to another label. Scary we went to Sanctuary. 1:53:22.280 --> 1:53:23.320 And it was went off. 1:53:24.000 --> 1:53:27.519 It was like, was that album considered as it was? 1:53:28.280 --> 1:53:32.559 It was a corporate owned company with shareholders, fell apart 1:53:32.920 --> 1:53:37.000 completely great album though, thank you brother, thank you. It 1:53:37.120 --> 1:53:40.320 was a first partnership I can say we were in 1:53:40.640 --> 1:53:43.800 outside of Tommy Boy. So everything after that ended up 1:53:43.840 --> 1:53:47.920 being partnerships are just independent, you know, And luckily enough 1:53:48.000 --> 1:53:51.120 with the Kickstarter, it was a bit of both. It 1:53:51.280 --> 1:53:55.000 was when we decided to do the Kickstarter, it was 1:53:55.120 --> 1:53:58.720 because the deals that were out there were not favorable 1:53:58.840 --> 1:54:01.960 for what we were conditioned to to what was being offered, 1:54:02.479 --> 1:54:06.320 and respectfully, I had to go, yo, man, we are 1:54:06.560 --> 1:54:09.920 ten years without a record and the industry is plummeting 1:54:10.040 --> 1:54:12.800 in a certain way where it's going digitally and all 1:54:12.840 --> 1:54:16.240 of that. So these deals they're not hot now what 1:54:16.400 --> 1:54:20.040 they offering, Yo, we could go out there and do 1:54:20.200 --> 1:54:22.320 some shows and raise that kind of money on our 1:54:22.400 --> 1:54:26.719 own and maintain our ownership, you know. Then the first 1:54:26.880 --> 1:54:30.479 I saw Kickstarter, I don't know. It came across my 1:54:30.600 --> 1:54:34.360 Internet feed, and when I was doing my research on 1:54:34.480 --> 1:54:36.840 it and tapping into the different artists that were doing it, 1:54:37.520 --> 1:54:42.160 the person I really focused on was t og people 1:54:42.240 --> 1:54:47.560 don't know that Edog did a kickstarter. He did a 1:54:47.640 --> 1:54:51.680 kickstarter and he met his goal. Reason why, we don't know, 1:54:52.120 --> 1:54:55.000 because it wasn't six hundred thousand dollars, you know what 1:54:55.040 --> 1:54:58.880 I'm saying. It was like forty something fifty something thousand, 1:54:58.960 --> 1:55:01.480 But it was his goal. Oh so he met he 1:55:01.640 --> 1:55:04.960 met his goal. This wasn't newsworthy, That's all I'm saying. 1:55:05.520 --> 1:55:06.920 Break it down, like I'm a first grader. 1:55:07.040 --> 1:55:10.760 So the thing is that you decide from the gate 1:55:10.960 --> 1:55:13.560 what budget you want to raise, and then you create 1:55:13.640 --> 1:55:19.200 this record, and then the album sells, and do the 1:55:19.400 --> 1:55:21.680 those who contribute to get their money back or. 1:55:21.760 --> 1:55:24.560 Is it just nah, this is good. They just want 1:55:24.600 --> 1:55:27.040 to they want to just see it happen. I couldn't 1:55:27.040 --> 1:55:29.480 even believe it myself, like it was too good to 1:55:29.560 --> 1:55:31.960 be true, Like they don't want nothing. 1:55:34.160 --> 1:55:38.040 You know, I was trying two pairs of sneakers ahead. 1:55:39.480 --> 1:55:41.840 You heard that. You heard that? 1:55:42.880 --> 1:55:43.880 You oh bro, you. 1:55:45.760 --> 1:55:49.560 You oh pook you, oh pook you good? You good? 1:55:49.600 --> 1:55:49.920 You got? 1:55:50.600 --> 1:55:52.440 I got five pairs of day Love dunks anyway, so 1:55:52.520 --> 1:55:56.720 we're good. But uh yeah, so you did it. 1:55:57.000 --> 1:56:01.680 We went for the money that was being offered. Regarding 1:56:02.120 --> 1:56:05.080 the record deals. You know, we was like, okay, let's 1:56:05.880 --> 1:56:08.920 be fair and trying to raise what we know we can. 1:56:09.560 --> 1:56:12.400 All we need is to record the record. So the 1:56:12.520 --> 1:56:15.440 offerers that was out there was like nothing more than 1:56:15.480 --> 1:56:18.320 one hundred and fifty grand. So it was like, yo, 1:56:19.240 --> 1:56:21.280 we rang it around one hundred and thirty grand that 1:56:21.400 --> 1:56:23.840 we could raise. I said, look, we could raise one 1:56:23.880 --> 1:56:25.920 hundred and thirty grand and we still own the rights 1:56:25.960 --> 1:56:28.480 to our record. It's avenue give it up to some company. 1:56:28.640 --> 1:56:28.800 You know. 1:56:29.520 --> 1:56:32.480 That was the idea. Dave wasn't quite feeling it. Merce 1:56:32.640 --> 1:56:35.040 was on the fence, and it was really trying to 1:56:35.120 --> 1:56:40.480 come up with ideas of how we can give a 1:56:40.560 --> 1:56:45.280 little to the audience that's willing to support us. What 1:56:45.560 --> 1:56:49.000 can we It need to be a reciprocal thing. So 1:56:49.760 --> 1:56:52.480 we figured out how to do these tiers and come 1:56:52.600 --> 1:56:56.760 up with ideas of whether it's postcoing shopping, me going 1:56:56.840 --> 1:57:03.600 record shopping, somehow creating this relationship with the audience community. Yeah, 1:57:03.800 --> 1:57:07.160 so doing it, just doing something a little more because 1:57:07.200 --> 1:57:11.000 of what they're giving and documenting the sessions and all 1:57:11.040 --> 1:57:15.760 of that. You know, I think what sold us all 1:57:16.200 --> 1:57:19.160 on doing the entire ideas when we did an edm 1:57:19.280 --> 1:57:23.120 event in Miami, and somebody came to us and like, yo, 1:57:23.200 --> 1:57:25.640 you guys need to do a kickstarter. So of course 1:57:25.760 --> 1:57:26.280 I looked at. 1:57:26.280 --> 1:57:30.240 Both of them, was like jojie right right right nice? 1:57:30.760 --> 1:57:33.000 So, you know, but sometimes you got to hear from 1:57:33.040 --> 1:57:38.560 outside sauce, you know, for affirmation. And sure enough it 1:57:38.680 --> 1:57:42.440 wrapped around Dave's mind a little bit, wrapped around Mersu's 1:57:42.480 --> 1:57:45.520 mind a little bit. I think. Also everybody got wind 1:57:45.720 --> 1:57:49.440 of of what Spike Lee and Nelson George was doing 1:57:49.560 --> 1:57:53.440 us as well with raising money for the docs they 1:57:53.480 --> 1:57:55.920 were doing, right, you know what I'm saying. So it's like, yo, 1:57:56.040 --> 1:57:59.000 I'm telling you man, this is this got us written 1:57:59.040 --> 1:58:00.120 all over it, you know what I mean? You know, 1:58:00.160 --> 1:58:03.560 I like, look, there's an audience that actually just loves us. 1:58:03.640 --> 1:58:05.880 I'm like, be re late to the party is really 1:58:05.920 --> 1:58:07.920 what's going on? I was like, what's going on with 1:58:08.320 --> 1:58:11.000 the Internet and these nerds and the creators and all 1:58:11.040 --> 1:58:14.720 of that. Yo, they really are into heavily into artistic value. 1:58:14.800 --> 1:58:18.000 I was like, b and we not to pat OUs 1:58:18.040 --> 1:58:19.800 hoves on the back, but we had trust the sauce 1:58:19.920 --> 1:58:21.920 when it come to that. Yeah, I mean, I'm like, 1:58:22.760 --> 1:58:25.200 it's like y'all. It's a match me in heaven and 1:58:25.320 --> 1:58:26.920 Dave was still kind of hung up on it, but 1:58:27.000 --> 1:58:28.840 it looked like we begging for money, Mace. 1:58:29.280 --> 1:58:29.320 Not. 1:58:29.440 --> 1:58:31.720 If we approach this a certain way and it start 1:58:31.800 --> 1:58:34.360 to look at the tears of different things, we start 1:58:34.440 --> 1:58:36.920 to think we can offer in what they're given. 1:58:37.720 --> 1:58:41.680 So once you reach the finish line, like we superseded. 1:58:41.160 --> 1:58:44.120 The finish line because we always had looked to only 1:58:44.280 --> 1:58:46.120 raise about one hundred and thirty grand and it ended 1:58:46.160 --> 1:58:49.240 up superseding to being like six hundred grand. 1:58:50.480 --> 1:58:52.240 Would you want to do it again or is it 1:58:52.400 --> 1:58:54.760 just like just one project at the time? 1:58:54.960 --> 1:58:58.720 And I would love to do it again? And okay, 1:58:58.800 --> 1:59:01.720 let me, I don't know what for what project? It 1:59:01.760 --> 1:59:06.160 would have to be, uh, something special, you know something 1:59:06.240 --> 1:59:09.520 I think more than an album. Okay, you know something 1:59:10.520 --> 1:59:14.040 I don't know, something maybe musical and visual? 1:59:14.360 --> 1:59:18.160 You know all right? I have some nerdy, quick, rapid 1:59:18.240 --> 1:59:20.400 fire things to ask before I wrap up the show. 1:59:21.320 --> 1:59:23.440 Who stole your Pathfinder? In front of the studio? 1:59:25.480 --> 1:59:28.040 How wish somebody could tell me? Because I was ever 1:59:28.160 --> 1:59:32.480 find Nope, I had to chuck it up collect the 1:59:32.520 --> 1:59:35.720 insurance money ended up getting men did that. 1:59:35.840 --> 1:59:38.760 Happen as you recorded. Uh wanat to got to be 1:59:38.840 --> 1:59:39.720 where we were. 1:59:40.000 --> 1:59:44.160 Yeah, it was in that session for real. It was 1:59:44.240 --> 1:59:46.680 a night session for not going to be where everybody 1:59:46.760 --> 1:59:49.320 came up to the studio. I was in there. They 1:59:49.360 --> 1:59:52.880 all went to some club or whatever. All I know 1:59:53.080 --> 1:59:56.280 is I was in the studio and I'll never forget 1:59:56.400 --> 2:00:01.520 money going. Yo, where's the truck? Think everybody knew I 2:00:01.520 --> 2:00:03.880 couldn't park my truck the way it sat up so high. 2:00:03.880 --> 2:00:06.280 I was sitting on forties like I really had off 2:00:06.400 --> 2:00:09.040 roads like it's up top. So if it wasn't an 2:00:09.400 --> 2:00:16.160 outdoor parking lot, I couldn't park park on the street away. Yeah, 2:00:16.200 --> 2:00:19.040 I didn't think it may have gotten towed away, But 2:00:19.800 --> 2:00:23.800 once I contacted towing, Nah, my ship got stolen. And 2:00:23.920 --> 2:00:27.920 this was a year Nissan was getting stolen left and right. Yeah, 2:00:28.120 --> 2:00:29.840 so I was like I was, I only had it 2:00:29.960 --> 2:00:32.760 all but two and a half weeks. I was feeling 2:00:32.840 --> 2:00:38.200 myself come outside and it was gone, and I was like, damn. 2:00:38.760 --> 2:00:41.520 Moonie was like, what we gonna do. We're gonna go 2:00:41.600 --> 2:00:42.520 to Heavy D's party. 2:00:42.600 --> 2:00:46.800 That's what we still going without without a ride. 2:00:46.880 --> 2:00:48.640 Because I'm like, I knew I gotta take the train 2:00:48.720 --> 2:00:52.080 home at this point, and the train is long Ala 2:00:52.120 --> 2:00:57.000 Railroad don't come back on until five, So we got hell, 2:00:57.200 --> 2:01:00.320 let's go to have party, and I got take the 2:01:00.400 --> 2:01:00.880 train home. 2:01:01.080 --> 2:01:03.160 What are your five favorite dail I soul records? 2:01:04.560 --> 2:01:06.840 Oh, that's like saying what's your favorite. 2:01:06.520 --> 2:01:10.240 And right, and this includes the mixtapes and all those things, 2:01:12.320 --> 2:01:14.680 because I would have impossible mission inside my top five. 2:01:14.760 --> 2:01:14.960 But go. 2:01:16.480 --> 2:01:21.040 Wow, I guess I could say the songs I do 2:01:21.200 --> 2:01:25.400 get excited about. Now I'm talking about albums or albums. Wow, 2:01:26.000 --> 2:01:28.200 I gotta say right now, Cabin in the Sky bro 2:01:29.080 --> 2:01:30.720 just the way it's hit me. You know, each one 2:01:30.720 --> 2:01:32.400 of them hit me differently. You know what I mean? 2:01:32.800 --> 2:01:36.880 Is Cabin in the Sky the culmination of the long 2:01:37.040 --> 2:01:41.160 rumored Primo and Pete Rock are gonna do our records 2:01:41.200 --> 2:01:43.240 for us like you just married the two together? 2:01:43.600 --> 2:01:47.360 Yeah? Pretty much? Okay, pretty much? Are there any songs 2:01:47.440 --> 2:01:50.720 left over that haven't no? Okay, no, I think you 2:01:50.840 --> 2:01:53.839 got everything from the pre premum. 2:01:54.360 --> 2:01:56.960 Are there any extra day verses that are just on 2:01:57.160 --> 2:01:57.800 ice for now? 2:01:58.680 --> 2:02:01.280 I got something on ice? Okay, got a couple of 2:02:01.360 --> 2:02:04.080 things on ice I would love to consider for ao. 2:02:04.240 --> 2:02:04.560 I three. 2:02:04.880 --> 2:02:07.760 Okay, AOI three is still going to be a thing. 2:02:08.040 --> 2:02:12.400 That's a thing. Okay, that's happening. What is your favorite 2:02:12.440 --> 2:02:13.400 Daylas Soul album? 2:02:14.080 --> 2:02:18.080 The first one would probably always be very special because 2:02:18.120 --> 2:02:21.080 it was it saved your life. Yeah, and it saved 2:02:21.080 --> 2:02:22.720 my life for so many ways, you know what I mean. 2:02:23.200 --> 2:02:25.320 I was still a virgin, you know what I mean? 2:02:25.480 --> 2:02:31.720 Got you like you know pony Ride would be? How 2:02:31.800 --> 2:02:36.720 that idea come to be? That was Dave decided to 2:02:36.800 --> 2:02:40.680 sample him the direction in the record. Every Yeah, he 2:02:40.800 --> 2:02:43.560 sampled it just like that, you know how the tap? 2:02:43.880 --> 2:02:47.640 Yes like that? 2:02:48.120 --> 2:02:49.920 What five songs don't we know? 2:02:50.480 --> 2:02:52.680 In addition, when I asked me and myself and I 2:02:53.040 --> 2:02:56.800 question of you like helming it, what other four songs 2:02:56.880 --> 2:02:59.880 in the Daylight catalog did you helm that we might? 2:03:00.000 --> 2:03:02.600 I be aware of ego tripping? Okay? 2:03:02.800 --> 2:03:04.040 I know you did it in the woods, right in 2:03:04.120 --> 2:03:06.720 the woods. Okay, Out for connection. 2:03:07.120 --> 2:03:10.160 That was you. That is my favorite day La Joy. 2:03:11.720 --> 2:03:15.360 You guys opened with that when you did the Daylight 2:03:15.440 --> 2:03:18.320 Soul is Dead. That was your first song and we 2:03:18.440 --> 2:03:20.760 were we were right next to the speakers, so it's 2:03:20.840 --> 2:03:26.480 just like we weren't expecting that level boombastic. Okay, but 2:03:26.600 --> 2:03:31.360 I gotta ask, and I asked this to pass. In 2:03:31.480 --> 2:03:35.440 nineteen ninety one, no one in their right mind would 2:03:35.480 --> 2:03:41.400 even dare think of using mustache James Brown as a 2:03:41.480 --> 2:03:44.680 sample source. This is like a B side from the 2:03:44.720 --> 2:03:48.800 Get Up Off That Thing record, which again, no hip 2:03:48.840 --> 2:03:52.440 hop historian in that era would even think. 2:03:52.840 --> 2:03:56.360 Yo, what made you see the gold in. 2:03:57.880 --> 2:04:02.560 And otherwise unremarkable? Like you caught the best part ding 2:04:02.880 --> 2:04:04.600 ding ding ding ding. 2:04:05.720 --> 2:04:08.400 I don't know. I just happened to hear it. 2:04:08.600 --> 2:04:10.800 You just like James round record up for grab. 2:04:11.080 --> 2:04:13.880 I think it was also what I was using at 2:04:13.920 --> 2:04:18.040 the time. I was using this some eight second guitar 2:04:18.200 --> 2:04:22.760 pedal okay as a sampler. Okay, yeah it was, that 2:04:22.960 --> 2:04:27.200 was it was. It was my first real sampler, okay, 2:04:27.400 --> 2:04:30.280 for real, and I had it. I actually learned this 2:04:30.440 --> 2:04:33.720 from Paul, you know. I had that locked in with 2:04:33.840 --> 2:04:38.040 a sequential tom Lop thing my guitar player. 2:04:38.280 --> 2:04:41.160 Yes, that's the green box with the that's what you use. 2:04:41.240 --> 2:04:42.160 That's what I used for. 2:04:43.800 --> 2:04:48.800 Someone does not teach you here, is it? NBC sixty? Nah? 2:04:49.440 --> 2:04:49.560 Uh? 2:04:50.280 --> 2:04:51.960 You learned through a guitar looper? 2:04:52.240 --> 2:04:57.280 Yeah? At first I started out pausing tapes. Then I 2:04:57.920 --> 2:05:01.360 graduated to the s K one, then SK five got you. 2:05:01.560 --> 2:05:04.480 Then it was then I followed everything Paul was doing, 2:05:05.280 --> 2:05:07.360 and then you know, I was doing what I can 2:05:07.440 --> 2:05:11.760 afford pretty much. When I saw Paul, he had that 2:05:11.920 --> 2:05:14.880 pedal and he had a sequential toime drum machine and 2:05:15.240 --> 2:05:18.560 an eight track. I had a four track, okay, and 2:05:19.680 --> 2:05:22.640 he showed me how to lay sympty to the four 2:05:22.760 --> 2:05:27.360 track to get everything to trigger on time. Once he 2:05:27.440 --> 2:05:29.200 showed me how to lay sympty, I was off to 2:05:29.240 --> 2:05:33.280 the races. Wow, okay, and then anything after my first 2:05:33.440 --> 2:05:35.760 two or three samples that I got in time, then 2:05:35.800 --> 2:05:40.960 everything else was triggered. So that down, down, down down, 2:05:42.040 --> 2:05:43.480 that was because of what I was working with. 2:05:44.240 --> 2:05:48.280 That's crazy, Like in my mind, I love hearing unorthodox 2:05:48.600 --> 2:05:52.360 methods of making hip hop records in which knowing is 2:05:52.520 --> 2:05:55.280 just sequencing on a drum machine, none of that stuff, 2:05:55.320 --> 2:05:58.920 Like you're figuring out ways to loop and stuff outside. 2:05:58.440 --> 2:06:02.520 Of the outside of what we've eventually learned how to do. 2:06:03.080 --> 2:06:03.360 Okay. 2:06:03.440 --> 2:06:07.520 My last two questions, how long did it take for 2:06:07.800 --> 2:06:13.840 you immerse to really like, so we're doing this like 2:06:14.720 --> 2:06:18.400 for Dave, Like, how long did it take cause you know. 2:06:18.640 --> 2:06:24.320 I'll say that losing my manager Rich in twenty fourteen 2:06:24.520 --> 2:06:27.480 really put a good ten year pause on me in Tarik, 2:06:27.960 --> 2:06:30.560 like we did nothing without riches? What do you think? 2:06:30.600 --> 2:06:31.880 What do you think? And now it's like, oh, we 2:06:31.920 --> 2:06:33.360 got to be the adults in the room and do 2:06:33.440 --> 2:06:34.000 we trustee? 2:06:34.520 --> 2:06:34.680 You know? 2:06:34.960 --> 2:06:38.760 So we had distractions to and yes, it's still coming up. 2:06:38.760 --> 2:06:41.600 I'm sorry, the album's still coming. I know you guys 2:06:41.640 --> 2:06:43.720 think I'm bullsitting you now, but it's coming, I promise. 2:06:44.720 --> 2:06:48.560 But how long did it take to get over the 2:06:49.840 --> 2:06:56.400 anxiety of how do we restructure the show now? How 2:06:57.520 --> 2:07:02.800 do we turn this body of work into a full vision? 2:07:03.720 --> 2:07:05.560 How long was it before? I don't want to know 2:07:05.680 --> 2:07:08.720 from from beginning to end how it came together? 2:07:09.000 --> 2:07:11.960 But I wrote on a lot of postive strength. 2:07:12.480 --> 2:07:14.480 Was there a discussion like, hey, we're just going to 2:07:14.600 --> 2:07:15.200 end it right now? 2:07:15.520 --> 2:07:20.800 Or no, it was I was lost for a minute. 2:07:20.840 --> 2:07:20.880 No. 2:07:20.920 --> 2:07:24.680 One couldn't even really find me. He had to come. 2:07:24.840 --> 2:07:26.480 This is when I was living in Florida. He had 2:07:26.520 --> 2:07:29.480 to come to my house and really grab me. 2:07:29.480 --> 2:07:33.000 Out here, literally find you. Yeah, how long did it 2:07:33.080 --> 2:07:34.240 take for you to process it? 2:07:34.360 --> 2:07:36.400 Moren like, how how many months. 2:07:36.440 --> 2:07:38.640 Are you still bro I'm still morning, you know what 2:07:38.640 --> 2:07:41.400 I mean. It just it hits me different every day. 2:07:41.640 --> 2:07:43.680 Like it hit me earlier today when I saw D 2:07:44.480 --> 2:07:46.840 I cried earlier before you came in. Like actually, when 2:07:46.880 --> 2:07:49.080 you was in here setting up, I saw a D 2:07:49.320 --> 2:07:53.160 and you know we can relate obviously, right and he 2:07:53.320 --> 2:07:56.760 showed me his jam J about it. Just it broke 2:07:56.840 --> 2:07:58.800 me down, you know what I mean. So you know, 2:07:59.200 --> 2:08:02.040 just it hits me at different times. Just times I'm 2:08:03.440 --> 2:08:06.760 laughing a lot on the memories and then I'm crying 2:08:07.080 --> 2:08:09.560 at times because of the memories, you know what I mean. 2:08:09.680 --> 2:08:12.200 And I miss my dude. Man, I miss him. You know, 2:08:12.560 --> 2:08:17.920 there's a life partner. You know. It's probably the same 2:08:18.080 --> 2:08:20.480 feeling I'm gonna have if I lose my mom or 2:08:20.560 --> 2:08:23.080 my wife or somebody. You know what I'm saying. I'm 2:08:23.120 --> 2:08:25.680 never gonna get over that, you know, the ride of 2:08:25.760 --> 2:08:31.440 the ups and downs. You know, I miss everything, the arguments, everything. 2:08:31.840 --> 2:08:33.160 I miss him, man, you know what I mean. 2:08:34.200 --> 2:08:38.000 I'm glad you mentioned like the idea not of tension, 2:08:38.240 --> 2:08:40.120 but like in trying to convince him of me myself 2:08:40.160 --> 2:08:42.720 and I are convince him of kickstarting or convincing of 2:08:43.840 --> 2:08:47.879 you know, I will say that I've been the passive 2:08:47.920 --> 2:08:50.480 member of the roots. Don't like confrontation, don't like the 2:08:51.000 --> 2:08:53.760 you like y'all are the same in that well, no, 2:08:54.320 --> 2:08:56.640 like I'll be I don't know. I'm sharing this now 2:08:56.960 --> 2:09:00.440 like freak and I really had a personal breakthrough three 2:09:00.520 --> 2:09:05.000 days ago. And I mean, like thirty four years under 2:09:05.040 --> 2:09:08.880 the belt, just like sound check, let's make an album, 2:09:08.960 --> 2:09:13.560 all right, peace, see you tomorrow. And every time I 2:09:13.640 --> 2:09:16.000 get around you guys, and I'm like, damn, like you're 2:09:16.600 --> 2:09:19.920 you guys are still like I always thought it was 2:09:19.960 --> 2:09:26.560 impossible for friends and business partners to even exist in 2:09:26.760 --> 2:09:30.200 one thing like what happens when? And for me, it's 2:09:30.240 --> 2:09:32.880 always like I don't like that beat, and like, no 2:09:33.040 --> 2:09:36.840 matter how hard I worked on that shit, like weeks before, it's. 2:09:36.760 --> 2:09:41.520 Just like, okay, here it is. It's cool and you say. 2:09:43.000 --> 2:09:48.760 And then right, and so I admire that. And for me, 2:09:49.280 --> 2:09:51.120 I just always wanted to know, like, how are you 2:09:51.240 --> 2:09:54.680 there for each other now? That keeps you going? 2:09:56.000 --> 2:09:59.240 We always been brothers, man. I mean I think what 2:10:00.720 --> 2:10:18.880 people see now you could that's very obvious, you know, 2:10:19.520 --> 2:10:21.280 I think that was the answer. Yeah, that was. 2:10:23.160 --> 2:10:23.760 Did you get that. 2:10:24.840 --> 2:10:29.920 It's very obvious. Man. We we we truly love each other. Man. 2:10:30.160 --> 2:10:34.680 You know, I think that's perfect. People could Actually I 2:10:34.800 --> 2:10:37.520 probably notice it more because we don't have Dave, you 2:10:37.560 --> 2:10:39.840 know what I'm saying, So it's a little bit more. 2:10:39.960 --> 2:10:42.840 I think micro people are paying attention to certain things. 2:10:43.360 --> 2:10:46.320 And I think the way we've been expressing our loss, 2:10:47.280 --> 2:10:50.040 you know, there's something relatable there. Yeah, you know what 2:10:50.120 --> 2:10:53.160 I mean. My family, man, we've been through a lot, man, 2:10:53.240 --> 2:10:54.960 and it's all about how you come out on the 2:10:55.040 --> 2:10:59.840 other side. You know, family fights the fact, but that's 2:10:59.840 --> 2:11:02.280 the testament of being family, you know what I'm saying, 2:11:02.760 --> 2:11:04.680 how you come out on the other side. You know, 2:11:05.200 --> 2:11:07.000 it's always going to be some kind of conflict, some 2:11:07.120 --> 2:11:09.840 kind of confrontation. You know, it's how you get through it. 2:11:09.960 --> 2:11:10.160 Man. 2:11:11.400 --> 2:11:15.720 I'm a praying man. Pray man. God is all I've 2:11:15.800 --> 2:11:19.840 had since my childhood. You know, I lived in fight 2:11:19.960 --> 2:11:20.720 or flight. You know. 2:11:21.480 --> 2:11:23.720 To have a friend like Kelvin Mercer is a blessing, 2:11:24.520 --> 2:11:25.040 you know what I mean. 2:11:25.320 --> 2:11:29.880 True? My last question at one point, Ketchup was your 2:11:30.080 --> 2:11:34.240 angle and then you lost it? Why'd you lose the 2:11:34.320 --> 2:11:45.200 ketchup angle? High in sodium look, ladies and gentlemen. This 2:11:45.360 --> 2:11:48.440 is the first of three Behind the Originals. Thank you 2:11:48.600 --> 2:11:51.400 Levi's for for holding this down. Thank you Maceio Yo, 2:11:52.280 --> 2:11:52.960 thank you brother. 2:11:53.920 --> 2:11:57.920 I love you too, Man Levin, thank you for staying classic. Yes, 2:11:58.320 --> 2:11:59.160 y'all are classic. 2:11:59.560 --> 2:12:02.040 Yes, thank you levi O's for doing this for us, 2:12:02.480 --> 2:12:04.920 and we will see you on the next go round 2:12:05.600 --> 2:12:08.320 of court. Love Supreme. All right, Macie, thank you, I 2:12:08.400 --> 2:12:12.200 love you, Bro, love you too. And there you have it, 2:12:13.040 --> 2:12:16.840 Macio Man, myth legend correct on all counts, one of 2:12:16.880 --> 2:12:20.360 the best labs in the game. That's episode one of 2:12:20.440 --> 2:12:24.240 this very special behind every original run with Levi's. I 2:12:24.360 --> 2:12:26.120 want you to keep your eyes peeled to the feed 2:12:26.720 --> 2:12:30.240 and we'll be back soon with another legendary artist who 2:12:30.480 --> 2:12:35.360 did it their own way. Quest Loft Show is hosted 2:12:35.400 --> 2:12:40.160 by me Amir Quest Love Thompson. Executive producers are Sean 2:12:40.240 --> 2:12:46.400 g Brian Calhoun and Me. 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