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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast, your guide to

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Speaker 1: the Whitetail Woods, presented by First Light, creating proven versatile

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Speaker 1: hunting apparel for the stand, saddle or blind. First Light

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Speaker 1: Go Farther, stay Longer, and now your host, Mark Kenyon.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast, which is brought

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Speaker 2: to you by First Light. I'm your guest host, Tony Peterson,

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Speaker 2: and today I'm joined by my good buddy Greg Litzinger

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Speaker 2: to talk about the tree standfall that nearly took him

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Speaker 2: out of the game forever. All right, folks, welcome to

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Speaker 2: the Wired to Hunt podcast, which is brought to you

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Speaker 2: by First Light. Before I tell you where Mark is,

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Speaker 2: I need to remind everyone that he and I have

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Speaker 2: been putting together a new project called Whitetail Edu. In it,

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Speaker 2: we take a lot of the questions we get asked

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Speaker 2: over and over by our audience try to break them

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Speaker 2: down in video form. You'll be able to watch the

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Speaker 2: first episodes dropping on the mediator Clip YouTube channel any

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Speaker 2: day now. All right, so you figure it out. You

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Speaker 2: know Mark's not here. It's because he's out with an

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Speaker 2: injury to his thumb. I know this because he texted

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Speaker 2: me a picture of his hand with a caption that said, hey, Besty,

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Speaker 2: got myself a little ouchy here, so I'm going on

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Speaker 2: vacation for the seventh time this year. I didn't ask

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Speaker 2: him what he did because I knew it just meant

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Speaker 2: that I'd have to do his job for him again,

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Speaker 2: and some might argue rightly, so I would say, do

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Speaker 2: it quite a bit better than he does now. While

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Speaker 2: I actually don't know how he injured his thumb, I

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Speaker 2: did see in the background of that picture a book

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Speaker 2: that said getting started in shadow puppetry, and there's a

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Speaker 2: that looked pretty sharp. There were also quite a few

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Speaker 2: tear stains on the paper, so feel free to wish

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Speaker 2: him a speedy recovery on his auchi. My guest today

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Speaker 2: is a fella you might know of named Greg Litzay.

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Speaker 2: Greg is a New Jersey bowhunter with a serious reputation

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Speaker 2: for killing good deer on public land. He also had

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Speaker 2: one hell of a tree standfall some years back, which

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Speaker 2: is what I really wanted to talk to him about today.

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Speaker 2: To wrap up this month of episodes dedicated to the

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Speaker 2: different ways the ship might hit, the old fan for

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Speaker 2: us white tail addicts. This is a good one and

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Speaker 2: it's a great reminder to use the right safety gear

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Speaker 2: the right way. Greg, buddy, how are you having the man?

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Speaker 2: So I gotta ask you right away here. This has

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Speaker 2: been Getting this podcast actually booked and recorded has been

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Speaker 2: a hell of a challenge for me. And Uh, how's

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Speaker 2: your how's your old man doing?

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Speaker 3: Uh, it's still all right, he's I guess it's gonna

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Speaker 3: put him in a it's gonna put him in a

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Speaker 4: Originally I'm gonna do surgery, but they kind of pulled

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Speaker 4: back on that. Donna let the kneecap hopefully heal.

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Speaker 3: They're going to revisit it, I guess in a week

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Speaker 2: So he's he's seventy five, right, Yeah, and he's out

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Speaker 2: night fishing for large mouths.

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Speaker 3: Yeah whatever, pointing in the fresh water like nothing, nothing crazy,

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Speaker 2: So seventy five years old, he's out night fishing, and

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Speaker 3: He's putting his boat. I think he's putting this boat

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Speaker 3: He broke bones in that foot and they come crashing

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Speaker 2: So let's just I gotta I gotta frame this up.

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Speaker 2: Your seventy five year old dad goes night fishing, falls

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Speaker 2: off of a dock working with a boat. Somehow whatever

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Speaker 4: It was just a nightmare, man.

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Speaker 2: And so your sister calls you for some help because

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Speaker 2: And we haven't even got to your the actual reason

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Speaker 2: Have you do you? Have you ever done any history

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Speaker 4: Uh? I'm just dumb.

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Speaker 3: Most my injuries are reminds to Pitty like snowboarding, like

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Speaker 4: Powder, how hard can it hurt? That hurts pretty good?

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Speaker 4: So now I'm in line to get another surgery next month.

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Speaker 2: So you're bumping up offul close to deer season here, dude.

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Speaker 3: I'm at the mouth tapping up. I might be ready

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Speaker 4: My ball's a little bow.

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Speaker 3: And I could see you on that little bit of

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Speaker 4: But it's like for me, like gun hunting, I just don't.

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Speaker 2: I deal with this with the a lot of the

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Speaker 2: And I'm like, I just like, doesn't interest me. I

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Speaker 3: It's like like Pa and they had that flip moth

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Speaker 3: And like, I mean those there's a point where I like,

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Speaker 3: belt just a few times, and I mean I got

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00:21:47,800 --> 00:21:50,639
Speaker 3: used to it in a handful of times. Being there,

434
00:21:50,680 --> 00:21:52,919
Speaker 3: I'm like, man, this is way easier hanging that stand.

435
00:21:53,640 --> 00:21:57,120
Speaker 3: So muscle memory kicks in and it's like, oh it's there,

436
00:21:57,800 --> 00:22:01,880
Speaker 3: and it wasn't. And I'll tell you one thing. Everybody says,

437
00:22:01,920 --> 00:22:02,880
Speaker 3: I'm going to be able.

438
00:22:02,720 --> 00:22:08,200
Speaker 4: To grab a branch by fall, bull get you fall,

439
00:22:09,480 --> 00:22:11,840
Speaker 4: Like in my head, I still remember that day. It's

440
00:22:11,880 --> 00:22:14,760
Speaker 4: like I'm just grab this branch, Like it's like the

441
00:22:14,840 --> 00:22:17,679
Speaker 4: branch is right there. You're not grabbing the branch, man,

442
00:22:17,800 --> 00:22:21,080
Speaker 4: Like you fall and there's nothing you do about it.

443
00:22:21,560 --> 00:22:25,600
Speaker 4: And I was very very lucky, you know.

444
00:22:25,680 --> 00:22:30,240
Speaker 3: I fell in between like it's like a trade that

445
00:22:30,400 --> 00:22:32,760
Speaker 3: was all like it hit my lightning or blew over.

446
00:22:32,800 --> 00:22:35,080
Speaker 3: It was all like kind of like shredded up and

447
00:22:35,200 --> 00:22:37,879
Speaker 3: I literally scraped the back of my head, you know,

448
00:22:38,000 --> 00:22:39,920
Speaker 3: it was like three into one or another. I probably

449
00:22:39,960 --> 00:22:41,600
Speaker 3: would have been entailed in the back of my head.

450
00:22:41,640 --> 00:22:44,760
Speaker 3: And the irony is no one knew where I was,

451
00:22:46,200 --> 00:22:49,200
Speaker 3: because not many people know where I hunt, you know,

452
00:22:49,359 --> 00:22:53,040
Speaker 3: So it's like, but I, uh, I get a little

453
00:22:53,080 --> 00:22:53,719
Speaker 3: head of myself here.

454
00:22:53,760 --> 00:23:07,520
Speaker 2: But for me, this is very easy to understand and

455
00:23:07,560 --> 00:23:11,639
Speaker 2: relate to. You are the kind of person who has

456
00:23:11,760 --> 00:23:15,520
Speaker 2: no fear of heights, so you're very comfortable up there,

457
00:23:16,920 --> 00:23:20,800
Speaker 2: but you decide to be safe use use a lineman's belt,

458
00:23:21,240 --> 00:23:23,440
Speaker 2: and you get used to that, and honestly, like what

459
00:23:23,560 --> 00:23:25,359
Speaker 2: you said, it's it's kind of a revelation when you

460
00:23:25,400 --> 00:23:28,439
Speaker 2: first start using them because you have hands free. I mean,

461
00:23:28,480 --> 00:23:31,840
Speaker 2: it's just it's so much easier to work in the tree,

462
00:23:32,240 --> 00:23:35,159
Speaker 2: safer and everything. But you in your head because you've

463
00:23:35,240 --> 00:23:37,400
Speaker 2: just started using this thing, you're like, I can lean

464
00:23:37,600 --> 00:23:40,159
Speaker 2: back work on this tree, and you didn't have it on,

465
00:23:40,359 --> 00:23:42,000
Speaker 2: so you lean back with nothing there.

466
00:23:42,960 --> 00:23:45,840
Speaker 4: Yeah, And they said that.

467
00:23:47,800 --> 00:23:51,960
Speaker 3: To this day, I think about that. It's like what why,

468
00:23:52,200 --> 00:23:54,080
Speaker 3: Like why, I mean, there is no why you know,

469
00:23:54,160 --> 00:23:57,359
Speaker 3: it's just a human error in a rush because I

470
00:23:57,440 --> 00:24:00,359
Speaker 3: wanted to get a bunch of spots done that day

471
00:24:00,440 --> 00:24:02,359
Speaker 3: for the hurricane. So I was kind of, you know,

472
00:24:03,160 --> 00:24:05,680
Speaker 3: making cutting corners a little bit. Maybe maybe I should

473
00:24:05,720 --> 00:24:08,600
Speaker 3: have slowed down, but I didn't.

474
00:24:09,640 --> 00:24:14,320
Speaker 2: Well, I mean, dude, it happens. Yeah, I mean it happened.

475
00:24:14,359 --> 00:24:16,399
Speaker 2: So you're you're how high were you?

476
00:24:18,400 --> 00:24:21,359
Speaker 3: I would say fifteen yeah, my feet, my feet might

477
00:24:21,400 --> 00:24:23,640
Speaker 3: have been like fifteen around that range.

478
00:24:23,720 --> 00:24:25,280
Speaker 4: You have fifteen seventeen feet.

479
00:24:25,080 --> 00:24:29,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, pretty average? Yeah, nothing crazy, and you you lean back,

480
00:24:29,960 --> 00:24:33,520
Speaker 2: you fall, like you said everybody. I can remember when

481
00:24:33,560 --> 00:24:37,359
Speaker 2: I first started bow hunting, we had those. They were

482
00:24:37,400 --> 00:24:40,040
Speaker 2: like a waste safety harness that you know, went around

483
00:24:40,080 --> 00:24:42,960
Speaker 2: your waist and they're built out of like the seatbelt material. Yep,

484
00:24:43,480 --> 00:24:46,480
Speaker 2: big big rope or you know, like a big lineup

485
00:24:46,520 --> 00:24:50,040
Speaker 2: with a arabiner on there. And I can remember when

486
00:24:50,080 --> 00:24:52,000
Speaker 2: my when I started bow hunting when I was twelve,

487
00:24:52,280 --> 00:24:55,800
Speaker 2: my dad bought each of us those harnesses, which we

488
00:24:55,920 --> 00:24:58,359
Speaker 2: know now are terrible because you fall and end up

489
00:24:58,440 --> 00:25:02,040
Speaker 2: upside down and die anyway, you just die like slower

490
00:25:02,320 --> 00:25:03,080
Speaker 2: and in more pain.

491
00:25:03,600 --> 00:25:03,719
Speaker 3: Uh.

492
00:25:04,280 --> 00:25:06,480
Speaker 2: But I can remember the guys that kind of his

493
00:25:06,720 --> 00:25:10,760
Speaker 2: hunting buddies at that time, we're all like, you're wearing

494
00:25:10,800 --> 00:25:13,959
Speaker 2: a harness, like and they said the same thing, like, oh, man,

495
00:25:14,000 --> 00:25:16,040
Speaker 2: if I fall, I'm just going to be grabbing everything.

496
00:25:17,359 --> 00:25:20,639
Speaker 3: And it's like unless unless you're the thing you might

497
00:25:20,680 --> 00:25:22,840
Speaker 3: be grabbing is if you're falling into the limb and

498
00:25:22,920 --> 00:25:24,359
Speaker 3: maybe you get a chance, but if.

499
00:25:24,280 --> 00:25:27,080
Speaker 4: You're like if you have to reach out, like you know,

500
00:25:27,359 --> 00:25:30,000
Speaker 4: I've skyn eyed before. He falls pretty fast.

501
00:25:30,320 --> 00:25:32,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, if there's nothing, if your feet are on the ground, like,

502
00:25:32,680 --> 00:25:36,040
Speaker 3: you're moving pretty good, and you better have some you know,

503
00:25:36,240 --> 00:25:39,480
Speaker 3: Bruce laites at reflexes, man, But the average person that's

504
00:25:39,520 --> 00:25:40,080
Speaker 3: not no.

505
00:25:40,240 --> 00:25:42,960
Speaker 2: And I mean the other lesson there too, you know,

506
00:25:43,080 --> 00:25:45,080
Speaker 2: like with your old man and his injury. You know,

507
00:25:45,119 --> 00:25:48,840
Speaker 2: they say one of the most important things about keeping

508
00:25:48,920 --> 00:25:51,639
Speaker 2: healthy as you age, get to that is grip strength,

509
00:25:51,920 --> 00:25:54,600
Speaker 2: because if you start to fall in the shower, whatever,

510
00:25:54,760 --> 00:25:57,920
Speaker 2: on the boat, landing like little stupid stuff, if you

511
00:25:58,000 --> 00:26:00,240
Speaker 2: can't get a hold of something and hold yourself up,

512
00:26:00,680 --> 00:26:02,600
Speaker 2: you know, or rest your fall, you're in trouble. But

513
00:26:02,640 --> 00:26:05,359
Speaker 2: you're never gonna do it when you're in a tree. Dude,

514
00:26:05,440 --> 00:26:07,959
Speaker 2: I had a I'm gonna let you keep going here,

515
00:26:08,000 --> 00:26:11,240
Speaker 2: but I tell you this, I had the only time

516
00:26:11,280 --> 00:26:12,879
Speaker 2: I ever had got any kind of injury with a

517
00:26:12,920 --> 00:26:15,600
Speaker 2: tree stand fall was when I was pulling a stand

518
00:26:15,800 --> 00:26:19,359
Speaker 2: years ago. That was the last stand in the you know,

519
00:26:19,480 --> 00:26:23,280
Speaker 2: late winter, early spring, pulling all my stands on different properties,

520
00:26:23,600 --> 00:26:26,240
Speaker 2: and that was when we use screwing steps a lot.

521
00:26:26,960 --> 00:26:29,760
Speaker 2: And I was up there working on that stand and

522
00:26:30,080 --> 00:26:32,120
Speaker 2: both of the steps I was standing on pulled out

523
00:26:32,119 --> 00:26:34,119
Speaker 2: of a tree at the same time, so I was

524
00:26:34,200 --> 00:26:36,520
Speaker 2: harnessed in, but I hit my ribs on the on

525
00:26:36,640 --> 00:26:41,040
Speaker 2: the seat kind of the stem. But you think, like,

526
00:26:41,200 --> 00:26:42,960
Speaker 2: if anybody's listening to this and they're like, oh, you

527
00:26:43,080 --> 00:26:46,639
Speaker 2: think that you're going to have like anything to react to,

528
00:26:47,440 --> 00:26:50,480
Speaker 2: like any barrel roll, you're gonna do it. You have nothing.

529
00:26:50,880 --> 00:26:52,840
Speaker 4: You are just huge. I'm not sure.

530
00:26:53,320 --> 00:26:56,320
Speaker 3: Maybe if you're a gymnast and you're used to something

531
00:26:56,520 --> 00:26:59,440
Speaker 3: like you know that, but the average person now you're

532
00:26:59,520 --> 00:27:01,560
Speaker 3: you're just you're pistoning in the windo at that dude.

533
00:27:01,600 --> 00:27:04,680
Speaker 2: I think the Venn diagram of gymnasts and bow hunters

534
00:27:04,800 --> 00:27:08,119
Speaker 2: is it barely touches. I don't think we got a

535
00:27:08,160 --> 00:27:11,320
Speaker 2: lot of gymnasts in our in our ranks, Yeah, definitely not.

536
00:27:11,840 --> 00:27:15,960
Speaker 2: So you you fall out, you knew, you probably knew

537
00:27:15,960 --> 00:27:19,000
Speaker 2: you screwed up instantly when you lean back, you hit.

538
00:27:19,160 --> 00:27:21,240
Speaker 2: You hit the bottom there, and you're in a tree

539
00:27:21,280 --> 00:27:23,520
Speaker 2: that has basically a bunch of wooden daggers sticking up

540
00:27:23,560 --> 00:27:26,600
Speaker 2: because of the lightning strike. You get lucky there. What's

541
00:27:26,760 --> 00:27:29,239
Speaker 2: what's like your first thought when you hit? Well, when

542
00:27:29,280 --> 00:27:32,920
Speaker 2: I woke up, I came to I was supposed to

543
00:27:32,960 --> 00:27:35,200
Speaker 2: meet my buddy for lunch. There was like a timeframe

544
00:27:35,200 --> 00:27:37,120
Speaker 2: of buddy, Kenny, We're going to meet up for lunch.

545
00:27:37,880 --> 00:27:40,600
Speaker 3: I remember falling, you know, and like trying to catch that,

546
00:27:41,119 --> 00:27:43,800
Speaker 3: and I don't know, it's just my brain on replay

547
00:27:44,240 --> 00:27:47,320
Speaker 3: when I came to, you know, Meanwhile, like I'm on

548
00:27:47,400 --> 00:27:49,640
Speaker 3: the edge of water, Like I'm close to the water,

549
00:27:49,840 --> 00:27:53,160
Speaker 3: so the place floods out. So if the hurring Thane's coming,

550
00:27:53,920 --> 00:27:55,240
Speaker 3: where I am is gonna be underwater.

551
00:27:56,160 --> 00:28:01,560
Speaker 4: So when I come to, I can't move, can't move

552
00:28:01,640 --> 00:28:06,080
Speaker 4: my arms, can't move anything. I'm just in the dirt,

553
00:28:06,480 --> 00:28:11,560
Speaker 4: breathing real heavy. And yeah, it's just.

554
00:28:14,720 --> 00:28:15,520
Speaker 2: How old were you here?

555
00:28:15,920 --> 00:28:21,160
Speaker 3: Thirty thirty four? Okay, thirty five, no kids yet? No wife,

556
00:28:21,240 --> 00:28:22,159
Speaker 3: no kids, It's just me.

557
00:28:22,320 --> 00:28:27,080
Speaker 2: But I I couldn't move And did you think you

558
00:28:27,119 --> 00:28:27,959
Speaker 2: were paralyzed?

559
00:28:28,480 --> 00:28:30,720
Speaker 4: Oh yeah. I was like, well this is it.

560
00:28:31,400 --> 00:28:34,800
Speaker 3: And I'm like, and I tell you, this is the

561
00:28:34,840 --> 00:28:39,880
Speaker 3: weird how my brain works. I lived a pretty cool life,

562
00:28:39,920 --> 00:28:41,880
Speaker 3: done a lot of cool stuff. It wasn't like I

563
00:28:42,040 --> 00:28:48,520
Speaker 3: was like regretful that I couldn't move. My biggest at

564
00:28:48,560 --> 00:28:51,000
Speaker 3: the time was like spiders and snakes.

565
00:28:51,560 --> 00:28:53,840
Speaker 4: I'm not gonna be able to have Spider's gonna crawl

566
00:28:53,920 --> 00:28:56,400
Speaker 4: with me and snakes. There's nothing I can go about it.

567
00:28:56,560 --> 00:29:00,080
Speaker 4: That's all. Like I'm gonna drown. I was like, and

568
00:29:00,120 --> 00:29:02,440
Speaker 4: then Spider's next to a crawl on me. Not then

569
00:29:02,480 --> 00:29:04,280
Speaker 4: I can't move or anything. I'm like, I didn't was

570
00:29:04,400 --> 00:29:07,000
Speaker 4: like this is this is how it ends. I'm like, oh,

571
00:29:07,200 --> 00:29:08,680
Speaker 4: I was like, okay, I can deal with this. But

572
00:29:08,760 --> 00:29:13,000
Speaker 4: I'm like, I'm gonna drown, so horrible death probably, or

573
00:29:13,160 --> 00:29:17,520
Speaker 4: I'm gonna just have have anxiety and panic attack because spiders.

574
00:29:17,160 --> 00:29:20,400
Speaker 3: And snake is gonna be all over me, and you know,

575
00:29:20,440 --> 00:29:23,000
Speaker 3: and then like I don't know how long I was

576
00:29:23,080 --> 00:29:26,160
Speaker 3: out knocked out or how long I was having these

577
00:29:26,240 --> 00:29:27,400
Speaker 3: thoughts in my brain.

578
00:29:28,080 --> 00:29:31,200
Speaker 4: And then you know, it was like, what was that?

579
00:29:31,440 --> 00:29:33,600
Speaker 4: Like I thought something might be like on me, like,

580
00:29:34,040 --> 00:29:37,400
Speaker 4: but my body started like coming to coming.

581
00:29:37,240 --> 00:29:40,920
Speaker 2: Around, like you did a hard reset there, buddy.

582
00:29:41,480 --> 00:29:43,640
Speaker 4: Exactly what the guy at the hospital said.

583
00:29:43,640 --> 00:29:46,240
Speaker 3: He goes, your body went in the preservation move when

584
00:29:46,280 --> 00:29:49,560
Speaker 3: you felt gonna preserve all internal organ to stay alive.

585
00:29:49,760 --> 00:29:50,920
Speaker 4: Everything else gets struck down.

586
00:29:51,080 --> 00:29:54,920
Speaker 3: And I was like, that makes sense because you you

587
00:29:55,080 --> 00:29:58,280
Speaker 3: hit head pretty good and then that impact, but it

588
00:29:58,360 --> 00:30:03,040
Speaker 3: basically shattered. You can see a shatteredness to be a plateau,

589
00:30:05,560 --> 00:30:07,360
Speaker 3: just like my dad's left swallowed me.

590
00:30:07,800 --> 00:30:10,280
Speaker 4: I was pretty much in the same same boat.

591
00:30:10,760 --> 00:30:15,840
Speaker 5: But uh, I remember being able to move, and thank goodness,

592
00:30:16,520 --> 00:30:19,720
Speaker 5: my phone was in my bag on the ground, because

593
00:30:19,760 --> 00:30:21,280
Speaker 5: if I would have probably had my phone in my

594
00:30:21,360 --> 00:30:23,720
Speaker 5: pocket when I fell, I might have broke it.

595
00:30:24,000 --> 00:30:26,600
Speaker 3: And so it was lucky I had the phone in

596
00:30:26,680 --> 00:30:29,240
Speaker 3: the bag. And I remember crawling to the bag because

597
00:30:29,240 --> 00:30:31,280
Speaker 3: I couldn't move my legs. My legs still weren't moving,

598
00:30:31,880 --> 00:30:34,360
Speaker 3: so I'm crawling to the bag. Tell my buddy Kenny,

599
00:30:35,640 --> 00:30:38,040
Speaker 3: tell him what happened. And I had to tell him

600
00:30:38,040 --> 00:30:42,200
Speaker 3: where I was, and it was very painful because he's

601
00:30:42,320 --> 00:30:44,680
Speaker 3: known to slide it in your spots.

602
00:30:44,400 --> 00:30:47,120
Speaker 2: When you're not around classic Kenny.

603
00:30:47,880 --> 00:30:48,080
Speaker 4: Yeah.

604
00:30:48,320 --> 00:30:52,719
Speaker 3: So Kenny and my buddy Tony and my buddy Chair

605
00:30:52,840 --> 00:30:54,880
Speaker 3: is at MT They brought a deer carn out.

606
00:30:54,960 --> 00:30:57,960
Speaker 4: Jerry came out by that kind of brace.

607
00:30:58,080 --> 00:31:01,000
Speaker 3: But I remember trying to pull myself off up on

608
00:31:01,120 --> 00:31:03,920
Speaker 3: these trees and letting go and just fall him right

609
00:31:03,960 --> 00:31:04,480
Speaker 3: back down, like.

610
00:31:04,560 --> 00:31:09,280
Speaker 4: I thought my legs were done, and uh, it took

611
00:31:09,360 --> 00:31:16,040
Speaker 4: me to the hospital. Oh and I remember being being

612
00:31:16,040 --> 00:31:18,440
Speaker 4: in the hospital and the band like I had my

613
00:31:18,520 --> 00:31:20,600
Speaker 4: good pants on and they wanted to cut.

614
00:31:20,560 --> 00:31:23,200
Speaker 3: My pants and I was like, don't cut my pants.

615
00:31:23,240 --> 00:31:24,959
Speaker 3: In my favorite pants and were like dickeys that were

616
00:31:25,000 --> 00:31:26,520
Speaker 3: like I had them for like ten years. I was

617
00:31:26,600 --> 00:31:28,880
Speaker 3: like like I could take them off. This is just

618
00:31:29,000 --> 00:31:30,560
Speaker 3: let me take them off. And they're like, well, cut them.

619
00:31:30,560 --> 00:31:33,800
Speaker 3: I'm like, don't cut my pants. I was like I'm already, man,

620
00:31:33,920 --> 00:31:36,160
Speaker 3: Like my legs were working, but weren't working at the time.

621
00:31:36,480 --> 00:31:39,840
Speaker 4: It was a weird, weird thing. And the hurricane hit.

622
00:31:40,200 --> 00:31:44,160
Speaker 4: I was in the hospital, you know, for plose for

623
00:31:44,240 --> 00:31:44,960
Speaker 4: two weeks.

624
00:31:45,800 --> 00:31:49,040
Speaker 2: So we got a back up here. Hold on, all right,

625
00:31:50,600 --> 00:31:52,320
Speaker 2: you're glassing over a lot of stuff. I want to

626
00:31:52,320 --> 00:31:57,480
Speaker 2: get into buddy. First off, the just let's just acknowledge

627
00:31:57,560 --> 00:32:00,680
Speaker 2: the power of a phobia. You've fallen out of a

628
00:32:00,720 --> 00:32:05,880
Speaker 2: tree stand You're like, I'm I'm now paralyzed. This is

629
00:32:06,040 --> 00:32:09,640
Speaker 2: this is your new reality. And two of your three

630
00:32:09,720 --> 00:32:14,680
Speaker 2: biggest fears at the moment are snakes and spiders crawling

631
00:32:14,760 --> 00:32:19,120
Speaker 2: on you. Where You're not in Africa, right, Like, you're

632
00:32:19,160 --> 00:32:21,080
Speaker 2: not in a place where yeah you might have a

633
00:32:21,120 --> 00:32:22,640
Speaker 2: spider crawl on you, but it's not going to bite

634
00:32:22,640 --> 00:32:24,840
Speaker 2: you and kill you. Yeah, Like you don't have a

635
00:32:24,920 --> 00:32:26,840
Speaker 2: lot of snakes out there probably that are going to

636
00:32:26,880 --> 00:32:29,320
Speaker 2: be like super dangerous to you. But that's the power

637
00:32:30,320 --> 00:32:32,240
Speaker 2: of a phobia like that. It's like, now all of

638
00:32:32,280 --> 00:32:35,440
Speaker 2: a sudden, you can't get away from something that you

639
00:32:35,560 --> 00:32:39,000
Speaker 2: have this irrational fear of. So even though you're like,

640
00:32:39,120 --> 00:32:42,040
Speaker 2: well I just paralyzed myself, you're like, I hope a

641
00:32:42,120 --> 00:32:43,360
Speaker 2: spider doesn't crawl on me.

642
00:32:43,520 --> 00:32:44,120
Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah.

643
00:32:44,200 --> 00:32:45,680
Speaker 3: And I was like, you don't seem like the horror

644
00:32:45,720 --> 00:32:48,080
Speaker 3: movies are sitting there and like, right, somebody that is

645
00:32:48,120 --> 00:32:50,200
Speaker 3: like a spider or something's coming across their face. That's

646
00:32:50,240 --> 00:32:51,840
Speaker 3: all I kept thinking about. And I'm like, and why

647
00:32:52,320 --> 00:32:54,840
Speaker 3: I have no idea, I pick up spiders and snakes.

648
00:32:55,320 --> 00:32:59,640
Speaker 3: But that's what I reverted to in that moment. Why

649
00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:03,880
Speaker 3: I have no idea, Like I'm not a fan of

650
00:33:03,960 --> 00:33:06,040
Speaker 3: spiders snakes, I'll pick them up like snakes and house

651
00:33:06,040 --> 00:33:08,520
Speaker 3: I'll take them out. You know, I'm a lot better

652
00:33:08,600 --> 00:33:10,760
Speaker 3: now than I got kids. I should have kids, Like, oh,

653
00:33:10,880 --> 00:33:15,200
Speaker 3: spiders are great. Meanwhile, I'm fifty fifties on spiders, you know.

654
00:33:15,600 --> 00:33:16,400
Speaker 2: But that's me.

655
00:33:16,560 --> 00:33:16,880
Speaker 4: Yeah, that.

656
00:33:18,680 --> 00:33:21,719
Speaker 3: Moment, that that's all I can tell because where as

657
00:33:21,800 --> 00:33:25,080
Speaker 3: I hunt there a lot, there's some big wolf looking

658
00:33:25,200 --> 00:33:27,680
Speaker 3: type spiders, and it's like I just know what's there.

659
00:33:27,760 --> 00:33:29,760
Speaker 3: I see black snakes and see water snakes all the time,

660
00:33:29,800 --> 00:33:32,480
Speaker 3: and I'm like, God, this is it, Like this is

661
00:33:32,520 --> 00:33:33,200
Speaker 3: what's going to happen.

662
00:33:33,480 --> 00:33:37,320
Speaker 4: Or I drowned, So I'm like, but the drowning was

663
00:33:37,400 --> 00:33:38,440
Speaker 4: like number three.

664
00:33:38,400 --> 00:33:40,800
Speaker 3: On the snakes and spiders, like their drowning was coming

665
00:33:40,840 --> 00:33:43,400
Speaker 3: at the bottom, which I don't know why that was.

666
00:33:43,720 --> 00:33:46,640
Speaker 4: That should have been number one, but it wasn't.

667
00:33:46,880 --> 00:33:51,680
Speaker 2: Dude. It's like, uh, I'm sure they've studied this or something,

668
00:33:51,720 --> 00:33:55,920
Speaker 2: but it's almost like you you went back like in

669
00:33:56,000 --> 00:33:58,760
Speaker 2: the time, Like no, no, it's like yeah, like I

670
00:33:58,800 --> 00:34:00,640
Speaker 2: mean it's almost like you went back to like our

671
00:34:00,680 --> 00:34:04,240
Speaker 2: primal roots where you're like, okay, here's here's the actual

672
00:34:04,440 --> 00:34:10,600
Speaker 2: dangers I'm facing. It's nature, you know, like a wild Okay,

673
00:34:11,120 --> 00:34:14,680
Speaker 2: so you get ahold of spots stealing Kenny, Yeah, and

674
00:34:14,800 --> 00:34:17,040
Speaker 2: you're like you gotta come get me, but don't take

675
00:34:17,080 --> 00:34:19,160
Speaker 2: my spot, like this is one of my favorite spots

676
00:34:19,160 --> 00:34:22,520
Speaker 2: close to bedding area. He read he ropes in some

677
00:34:22,640 --> 00:34:26,080
Speaker 2: bodies and they come out with a deer cart. Yeah,

678
00:34:26,360 --> 00:34:32,080
Speaker 2: and they have they have a a neck brace for you.

679
00:34:34,360 --> 00:34:36,360
Speaker 4: Yeah. My buddy, Jerry's not a hunter, he's an AMT.

680
00:34:36,520 --> 00:34:37,120
Speaker 4: I called him.

681
00:34:38,440 --> 00:34:40,560
Speaker 3: Him and his girlfriend came out and they had their

682
00:34:40,640 --> 00:34:42,880
Speaker 3: bags like they they they're they're ready to him all

683
00:34:42,920 --> 00:34:47,600
Speaker 3: the time for dis answers. So they came out because

684
00:34:47,600 --> 00:34:49,360
Speaker 3: he was like, I kept trying to move. It's like,

685
00:34:49,520 --> 00:34:52,600
Speaker 3: don't move, just stop trying to move. But I'm a

686
00:34:52,680 --> 00:34:54,400
Speaker 3: man and like my arms work, and I'm like I

687
00:34:54,480 --> 00:34:55,800
Speaker 3: need to get my legs to move. I'm going to

688
00:34:55,960 --> 00:34:56,839
Speaker 3: keep pull myself off.

689
00:34:56,760 --> 00:35:00,320
Speaker 4: On his branch and fall up. And it's like you know,

690
00:35:00,640 --> 00:35:02,920
Speaker 4: and uh, we're they put me on a neck brace.

691
00:35:02,960 --> 00:35:05,000
Speaker 3: They take all my vinyls and they put me on

692
00:35:05,080 --> 00:35:09,080
Speaker 3: a deer cart and Tony has a picture of me

693
00:35:10,040 --> 00:35:14,080
Speaker 3: neck brace on getting drug getting drug out with a

694
00:35:14,160 --> 00:35:16,239
Speaker 3: deer cart, and every now and again he'll be like,

695
00:35:16,320 --> 00:35:17,839
Speaker 3: you know, I gotta picture you at a deer cart

696
00:35:17,840 --> 00:35:21,560
Speaker 3: in the neck brace and I'm like, I'm sure you do, buddy,

697
00:35:21,560 --> 00:35:22,080
Speaker 3: I'm sure you do.

698
00:35:22,480 --> 00:35:27,120
Speaker 2: We're your emt friend. There were you Was he worried

699
00:35:27,160 --> 00:35:30,279
Speaker 2: about exacerbating this injury or were they just like, we

700
00:35:30,360 --> 00:35:32,000
Speaker 2: got to get you out and you.

701
00:35:32,040 --> 00:35:35,200
Speaker 4: Gotta get stabilized. Yeah. I had to get me to

702
00:35:35,280 --> 00:35:35,640
Speaker 4: the road.

703
00:35:35,880 --> 00:35:38,719
Speaker 3: There's a couple hundred yards to the room where the

704
00:35:38,760 --> 00:35:42,359
Speaker 3: ambulance was waiting, because he was like, the people are

705
00:35:42,360 --> 00:35:44,360
Speaker 3: gonna have a hard time coming back here with the stretcher.

706
00:35:44,400 --> 00:35:44,920
Speaker 4: We're gonna make it.

707
00:35:44,960 --> 00:35:47,239
Speaker 3: Worse, so we'll just He checked me out and he goes, okay,

708
00:35:47,320 --> 00:35:50,919
Speaker 3: we're there's no internal bleeding, like your vinyls were good.

709
00:35:51,680 --> 00:35:55,040
Speaker 4: Uh, your legs worry about that at another time.

710
00:35:55,120 --> 00:35:57,719
Speaker 3: But your your main vitals are good, blood pressure was good,

711
00:35:58,320 --> 00:35:58,960
Speaker 3: all that stuff.

712
00:35:59,520 --> 00:36:02,360
Speaker 4: Man gave the go ahead for the deer car. It

713
00:36:02,480 --> 00:36:02,680
Speaker 4: was like.

714
00:36:04,520 --> 00:36:09,520
Speaker 3: It was like not only just embarrassing, is I Kenny

715
00:36:10,040 --> 00:36:12,080
Speaker 3: is there and I know he likes to talk at

716
00:36:12,080 --> 00:36:14,319
Speaker 3: the bar and tell people what happened, and like, I'm

717
00:36:14,320 --> 00:36:18,640
Speaker 3: gonna lose my spot. Tony's taking picture of me on

718
00:36:18,680 --> 00:36:20,520
Speaker 3: the deer car, you know what it's like. And I

719
00:36:20,600 --> 00:36:23,600
Speaker 3: call him the favor, you know, like if someone comes

720
00:36:23,640 --> 00:36:27,000
Speaker 3: out you get you know, friends will do anything for you,

721
00:36:27,120 --> 00:36:29,880
Speaker 3: but there's like certain favors, like when that happened, you know,

722
00:36:30,040 --> 00:36:31,640
Speaker 3: like use certain favors up.

723
00:36:31,719 --> 00:36:33,600
Speaker 4: So now I'm like, I'm like, I'm like I'm ero

724
00:36:33,640 --> 00:36:35,840
Speaker 4: for three right now, you know. So it's like whenever

725
00:36:35,920 --> 00:36:38,560
Speaker 4: these kids, these guys call, whenever, I'm like, i have

726
00:36:38,640 --> 00:36:41,120
Speaker 4: to drop whatever I'm doing and go. So it's like

727
00:36:42,160 --> 00:36:43,800
Speaker 4: all that this is some I'm thinking, not about like

728
00:36:43,920 --> 00:36:45,480
Speaker 4: being paralyzed, I can't move with my legs.

729
00:36:45,520 --> 00:36:49,080
Speaker 3: I'm like, I have a lot of people favors. I'm

730
00:36:49,080 --> 00:36:51,200
Speaker 3: not gonna be at this year. And it's like I'm

731
00:36:51,239 --> 00:36:52,839
Speaker 3: on a deer car, you know what I'm saying. All

732
00:36:52,880 --> 00:36:55,279
Speaker 3: these things were in my head instead of like what

733
00:36:55,400 --> 00:36:56,880
Speaker 3: I should have been focused on, you know, and I

734
00:36:57,040 --> 00:36:59,320
Speaker 3: just I just bought this house I'm in. You know,

735
00:36:59,360 --> 00:37:00,839
Speaker 3: I also have an all this. You know, I wasn't

736
00:37:00,880 --> 00:37:02,560
Speaker 3: worried about any of it. I was just worried about

737
00:37:03,120 --> 00:37:06,279
Speaker 3: owing people favors which you got to pay back, you know.

738
00:37:06,480 --> 00:37:08,959
Speaker 2: Of course, do you do you think you were sort

739
00:37:09,000 --> 00:37:11,080
Speaker 2: of in I mean, obviously you're probably in shock, right.

740
00:37:12,600 --> 00:37:15,040
Speaker 2: Do you think that you were just you kind of

741
00:37:15,200 --> 00:37:18,240
Speaker 2: just maybe your brain was like not letting you fully

742
00:37:18,320 --> 00:37:21,360
Speaker 2: grasp the situation, distracting you a little bit. Or do

743
00:37:21,440 --> 00:37:23,239
Speaker 2: you think you just didn't think it was that bad?

744
00:37:24,640 --> 00:37:27,560
Speaker 4: I I take I've talked to you know.

745
00:37:27,719 --> 00:37:31,000
Speaker 3: I went to seen a therapist you know about this

746
00:37:31,200 --> 00:37:36,000
Speaker 3: because I was not upset that my legs weren't necessarily

747
00:37:36,080 --> 00:37:41,200
Speaker 3: working like it didn't never, it wasn't important. Maybe because

748
00:37:41,280 --> 00:37:45,719
Speaker 3: you know, I lived a pretty good aggressive I kind

749
00:37:45,760 --> 00:37:48,480
Speaker 3: of did whatever I wanted to do, you know, I

750
00:37:48,560 --> 00:37:50,439
Speaker 3: got I got to a point life when it second,

751
00:37:50,719 --> 00:37:53,200
Speaker 3: it's a lot of cool shit, man, like I'm I'm okay,

752
00:37:53,880 --> 00:37:57,640
Speaker 3: this is where it is, and and he just says

753
00:37:57,800 --> 00:37:59,920
Speaker 3: people just handle trauma differently.

754
00:38:00,239 --> 00:38:04,480
Speaker 4: But I never got upset that my legs weren't I

755
00:38:04,480 --> 00:38:06,839
Speaker 4: couldn't lift my legs up the whole time. They even

756
00:38:06,960 --> 00:38:09,440
Speaker 4: like in the hospital after surgery.

757
00:38:09,080 --> 00:38:12,239
Speaker 3: And coming home i'd be standing up, I'll just fall

758
00:38:12,320 --> 00:38:15,800
Speaker 3: to the ground, you know, like I couldn't do anything.

759
00:38:15,880 --> 00:38:18,240
Speaker 4: My legs just stop working. And they could never figure

760
00:38:18,239 --> 00:38:23,280
Speaker 4: out why that happened. They don't know, I've got scams

761
00:38:23,360 --> 00:38:26,279
Speaker 4: and all that other stuff. They could never figure out

762
00:38:27,239 --> 00:38:28,840
Speaker 4: why signals from my brain.

763
00:38:29,120 --> 00:38:30,960
Speaker 3: I probably got some type of trauma in the brain,

764
00:38:31,080 --> 00:38:35,279
Speaker 3: you know that might come back to bite me when

765
00:38:35,280 --> 00:38:36,040
Speaker 3: I'm seventy, you know.

766
00:38:36,680 --> 00:38:40,400
Speaker 2: But they so they never figured out where the disconnect

767
00:38:40,560 --> 00:38:40,879
Speaker 2: was there.

768
00:38:41,360 --> 00:38:46,160
Speaker 3: No, because it's not never consistent enough, like it would

769
00:38:46,200 --> 00:38:49,080
Speaker 3: happen and then I'd be good and it won't have

770
00:38:49,120 --> 00:38:52,640
Speaker 3: any issues, any problem. So it's like it's hard I

771
00:38:52,760 --> 00:38:54,760
Speaker 3: fix things for a living. It's hard to fix something

772
00:38:55,480 --> 00:38:57,560
Speaker 3: if it was not acting up when you're there, Like hey,

773
00:38:57,640 --> 00:38:58,600
Speaker 3: the machines bobbly.

774
00:38:58,640 --> 00:39:01,000
Speaker 4: You go there and it's fine. They're like, I don't

775
00:39:01,040 --> 00:39:04,080
Speaker 4: even know where to begin to look like they did EKGs.

776
00:39:04,160 --> 00:39:11,080
Speaker 4: And also everything was fine. So I haven't had any episodes. Uh,

777
00:39:12,480 --> 00:39:15,120
Speaker 4: probably three months after the injury was probably like the

778
00:39:15,239 --> 00:39:15,719
Speaker 4: last one.

779
00:39:17,160 --> 00:39:20,200
Speaker 2: All right, So your buddies get you out on the

780
00:39:20,280 --> 00:39:24,600
Speaker 2: deer cart to the ambulance. What's the uh? Are you

781
00:39:24,719 --> 00:39:28,080
Speaker 2: in pain or are you just going with the flow?

782
00:39:28,160 --> 00:39:32,200
Speaker 4: At that point, mixture both traveling.

783
00:39:33,840 --> 00:39:37,160
Speaker 3: Maybe like a little bit of fear, like since aware

784
00:39:37,239 --> 00:39:40,359
Speaker 3: that your feet their legs aren't working very well.

785
00:39:41,640 --> 00:39:41,800
Speaker 4: You know.

786
00:39:44,880 --> 00:39:47,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, I didn't want to like focus on you know, like, hey,

787
00:39:47,520 --> 00:39:51,439
Speaker 3: I can't move. I'm trying to like focus on trying

788
00:39:51,480 --> 00:39:54,279
Speaker 3: to maintain because I've had a lot of injuries before that,

789
00:39:54,440 --> 00:39:56,880
Speaker 3: you know, snowboarding and mountain biking, so like, I know,

790
00:39:57,080 --> 00:39:59,880
Speaker 3: like the whole injury game where you can't really change

791
00:40:00,040 --> 00:40:00,640
Speaker 3: what happened.

792
00:40:01,040 --> 00:40:02,399
Speaker 4: All you gotta do is just keep looking.

793
00:40:02,560 --> 00:40:05,600
Speaker 2: You know, what you do have, what you not necessarily

794
00:40:05,640 --> 00:40:08,040
Speaker 2: what you don't have, right, I mean, you can't go

795
00:40:08,400 --> 00:40:09,920
Speaker 2: back up the tree and do it all.

796
00:40:10,040 --> 00:40:13,520
Speaker 3: No, exactly, And the any time I was really truly

797
00:40:13,600 --> 00:40:18,239
Speaker 3: in pain, I remember being in the hospital and they

798
00:40:18,320 --> 00:40:21,239
Speaker 3: tried to straighten my leg for some reason, I don't know,

799
00:40:22,000 --> 00:40:24,520
Speaker 3: Like they literally trying to straighten the leg that's grenated,

800
00:40:24,600 --> 00:40:26,360
Speaker 3: like I had like a small little piece of bone

801
00:40:26,360 --> 00:40:28,040
Speaker 3: sticking out on one side of the skin, like it

802
00:40:28,200 --> 00:40:32,640
Speaker 3: was completely grenated. And for some reason this nerve tried

803
00:40:33,160 --> 00:40:35,879
Speaker 3: straightened my legs, and my girlfriend at the time, she said,

804
00:40:36,320 --> 00:40:41,400
Speaker 3: you literally areked backwards, you know, and my head was

805
00:40:41,480 --> 00:40:43,720
Speaker 3: near my ass, like I went like in the hospital

806
00:40:43,800 --> 00:40:46,160
Speaker 3: bed like full like extra style, and it was like

807
00:40:46,719 --> 00:40:49,680
Speaker 3: and she goes, you just let out this weird guttural

808
00:40:49,800 --> 00:40:52,400
Speaker 3: scream and then it just stopped and you were like

809
00:40:52,520 --> 00:40:56,880
Speaker 3: to tent and lady stopped and whoever came in stopped

810
00:40:56,920 --> 00:40:58,680
Speaker 3: making make them from doing it, because I think it

811
00:40:58,800 --> 00:41:01,680
Speaker 3: wanted to put a brace on my leg for some reason.

812
00:41:01,760 --> 00:41:04,040
Speaker 3: I don't know, but I'm like, that's the like, but

813
00:41:04,160 --> 00:41:09,160
Speaker 3: it really felt like pain. And in that moment, you know,

814
00:41:09,280 --> 00:41:13,640
Speaker 3: you're like, Okay, if I can feel that, I should

815
00:41:13,719 --> 00:41:17,719
Speaker 3: be good because if I was like all these things

816
00:41:17,800 --> 00:41:21,279
Speaker 3: kind of like connect at weird different times, it's like

817
00:41:21,600 --> 00:41:25,080
Speaker 3: I felt that, like really felt that, So I'm good,

818
00:41:26,040 --> 00:41:28,480
Speaker 3: good enough, like my leg will work, you know.

819
00:41:29,160 --> 00:41:29,440
Speaker 4: Maybe.

820
00:41:30,600 --> 00:41:34,680
Speaker 2: So in that moment, you were actually kind of relieved

821
00:41:34,760 --> 00:41:37,520
Speaker 2: by the pain because in your brain you're like, okay,

822
00:41:37,800 --> 00:41:38,440
Speaker 2: you don't get this.

823
00:41:39,400 --> 00:41:42,040
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, they were moving it like nothing.

824
00:41:42,800 --> 00:41:45,759
Speaker 3: It's like almost numb, like I can feel like I

825
00:41:45,840 --> 00:41:48,960
Speaker 3: can feel people touching me, but I couldn't feel like

826
00:41:50,200 --> 00:41:52,520
Speaker 3: like there was no pain until that that lady were

827
00:41:52,560 --> 00:41:54,000
Speaker 3: really torqued.

828
00:41:53,719 --> 00:41:56,760
Speaker 4: On my leg. There. It was like, all right, cool,

829
00:41:57,360 --> 00:41:59,719
Speaker 4: I'm a I'm a lot better than I thought I was.

830
00:42:10,960 --> 00:42:13,040
Speaker 2: All right, So you get you get in there, do

831
00:42:13,160 --> 00:42:15,600
Speaker 2: you think I mean, I I suppose when they when

832
00:42:15,640 --> 00:42:17,320
Speaker 2: you come in like that, they have to assess you

833
00:42:17,440 --> 00:42:20,760
Speaker 2: for everything, and probably their main concern is your spine

834
00:42:21,239 --> 00:42:24,680
Speaker 2: and just figuring out what's or you know, your brain whatever,

835
00:42:25,920 --> 00:42:29,360
Speaker 2: figuring that out. And then they start assessing the you know,

836
00:42:30,120 --> 00:42:32,600
Speaker 2: the the injuries that maybe aren't going to kill you,

837
00:42:32,680 --> 00:42:35,800
Speaker 2: like your knee, but are gonna gonna be a real issue.

838
00:42:36,400 --> 00:42:36,920
Speaker 3: U do they?

839
00:42:37,440 --> 00:42:40,400
Speaker 2: So you you get in there, they they do. They

840
00:42:40,480 --> 00:42:43,040
Speaker 2: keep you conscious like so they can go through your injuries.

841
00:42:43,880 --> 00:42:48,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, else else in and out. They're giving me some drugs.

842
00:42:48,440 --> 00:42:49,719
Speaker 3: I don't know what they were giving me. What I

843
00:42:49,760 --> 00:42:52,799
Speaker 3: would was it was just knocked me out. I mean,

844
00:42:52,840 --> 00:42:57,759
Speaker 3: it's putting me right out. And then uh, I don't

845
00:42:57,800 --> 00:43:01,880
Speaker 3: remember getting a wheel to surgery. But like it was

846
00:43:02,120 --> 00:43:04,200
Speaker 3: this happened during a hurricane, so like there's a massive

847
00:43:04,280 --> 00:43:06,080
Speaker 3: hurricane going on as I'm.

848
00:43:05,920 --> 00:43:06,560
Speaker 4: In the hospital.

849
00:43:07,400 --> 00:43:10,600
Speaker 3: So the MRI there and got cat scanned, they did

850
00:43:10,640 --> 00:43:12,399
Speaker 3: all that stuff. They said, I had a big scar,

851
00:43:12,640 --> 00:43:14,200
Speaker 3: you know, a big thing in the back of my head.

852
00:43:14,239 --> 00:43:16,439
Speaker 4: They're worried about, they said, the spine in the brain.

853
00:43:17,120 --> 00:43:18,440
Speaker 4: Making sure all that was working.

854
00:43:19,239 --> 00:43:21,719
Speaker 3: But as far as like the the knee injury, I

855
00:43:21,800 --> 00:43:26,400
Speaker 3: don't I don't remember getting wheeled to surgery or like

856
00:43:27,200 --> 00:43:32,000
Speaker 3: anything like or being signing papers to get the surgery done.

857
00:43:32,160 --> 00:43:34,000
Speaker 4: Like it was just like it needed to be done.

858
00:43:34,040 --> 00:43:36,360
Speaker 4: I was probably out and they're like, well, he's not

859
00:43:36,880 --> 00:43:41,160
Speaker 4: he's not on that right. Yeah, I said, it's doing

860
00:43:41,160 --> 00:43:41,640
Speaker 4: a hurricane.

861
00:43:41,760 --> 00:43:46,080
Speaker 3: Like no one was out there in the hospital after hours,

862
00:43:46,120 --> 00:43:47,680
Speaker 3: So it's like after me eight pm, it's on my

863
00:43:47,760 --> 00:43:50,560
Speaker 3: own and like my house flooded.

864
00:43:50,760 --> 00:43:52,799
Speaker 4: We lost power to my house for like two days.

865
00:43:52,960 --> 00:43:55,439
Speaker 4: Like I had friends coming here trying to get myself

866
00:43:55,480 --> 00:43:59,000
Speaker 4: pumps working my basement. I'm getting flooded. You know.

867
00:43:59,120 --> 00:44:01,120
Speaker 2: It was just like it's a dude, they were just

868
00:44:01,320 --> 00:44:04,239
Speaker 2: racking up the favors. Huh yeah.

869
00:44:04,400 --> 00:44:04,600
Speaker 4: Yeah.

870
00:44:04,760 --> 00:44:08,040
Speaker 2: So do you know do you know if the spot

871
00:44:08,080 --> 00:44:10,200
Speaker 2: you fell flooded in that hurricane.

872
00:44:11,280 --> 00:44:13,080
Speaker 4: It'll it'll flood under a high tide.

873
00:44:13,600 --> 00:44:18,200
Speaker 2: Oh really so not only so you would have been

874
00:44:18,320 --> 00:44:21,399
Speaker 2: underwater there eventually if you couldn't have got a yeah,

875
00:44:21,520 --> 00:44:22,160
Speaker 2: under high.

876
00:44:21,960 --> 00:44:27,680
Speaker 4: Tide, I probably be damn close, really like right close.

877
00:44:27,760 --> 00:44:31,600
Speaker 4: Maybe not drowning, but you know, damn close to it.

878
00:44:32,480 --> 00:44:35,440
Speaker 2: Well, I mean getting your arms back would have helped.

879
00:44:35,840 --> 00:44:43,759
Speaker 2: But yeah, that would be uh yeah right right that

880
00:44:44,600 --> 00:44:47,600
Speaker 2: that's like how they used to uh you know, they

881
00:44:47,719 --> 00:44:51,000
Speaker 2: used to like shackle somebody low tide, you know, and

882
00:44:51,080 --> 00:44:53,040
Speaker 2: then let the tide roll back in and you got

883
00:44:53,120 --> 00:44:55,279
Speaker 2: to think about that rising water for six hours or

884
00:44:55,320 --> 00:44:55,759
Speaker 2: however long.

885
00:44:56,280 --> 00:44:59,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's uh, it's weird.

886
00:44:59,120 --> 00:45:02,480
Speaker 3: Like I said, to go to physical therapy and like,

887
00:45:03,320 --> 00:45:06,520
Speaker 3: uh see a specialists and all that stuff, and the

888
00:45:06,600 --> 00:45:09,640
Speaker 3: one guy he was like, you don't see him bothered

889
00:45:09,680 --> 00:45:13,000
Speaker 3: by this? I was like, was I get bothered by?

890
00:45:13,760 --> 00:45:16,920
Speaker 3: I can't change what happened. I can't get mad myself.

891
00:45:16,960 --> 00:45:19,440
Speaker 3: I can't like regrets one of those like emotions. It's

892
00:45:19,440 --> 00:45:22,440
Speaker 3: just waste that you're just regretting what. Don't get yourself angry?

893
00:45:22,520 --> 00:45:23,919
Speaker 3: And I already had enough.

894
00:45:24,719 --> 00:45:27,560
Speaker 4: It's just going on. Uh huh. So I was just

895
00:45:27,800 --> 00:45:28,200
Speaker 4: trying to.

896
00:45:29,760 --> 00:45:32,439
Speaker 3: Save stay as positive as I could, you know, because

897
00:45:32,560 --> 00:45:34,040
Speaker 3: literally almost lost his house.

898
00:45:34,600 --> 00:45:36,920
Speaker 4: I bought it, you know, in June.

899
00:45:37,040 --> 00:45:40,719
Speaker 3: This happened in August, so I pretty much wiped out

900
00:45:41,120 --> 00:45:44,480
Speaker 3: everything I had yo and then like I was going

901
00:45:44,520 --> 00:45:48,040
Speaker 3: to work for six months, Like disability don't pay crap.

902
00:45:48,040 --> 00:45:50,680
Speaker 3: Anybody's been disabled for a long time. Four hundred hours

903
00:45:50,719 --> 00:45:53,640
Speaker 3: a week is nothing. I mean when it used to

904
00:45:53,719 --> 00:45:57,840
Speaker 3: making eight or nine. Four hundred is nothing, right, you know.

905
00:45:58,120 --> 00:46:01,359
Speaker 3: So the financial stream.

906
00:46:01,400 --> 00:46:05,960
Speaker 4: Was tough, the emotional pull, but I will say one

907
00:46:06,040 --> 00:46:10,600
Speaker 4: thing and or is it? What theer is it? That's

908
00:46:11,920 --> 00:46:16,959
Speaker 4: this one right there.

909
00:46:18,719 --> 00:46:23,880
Speaker 3: So I went to the doctors and had brace crutches,

910
00:46:24,000 --> 00:46:26,840
Speaker 3: and the doctor was like, I kept saying, you know,

911
00:46:26,880 --> 00:46:28,400
Speaker 3: because I have.

912
00:46:28,640 --> 00:46:29,080
Speaker 2: I got time.

913
00:46:29,160 --> 00:46:30,680
Speaker 4: I was competing, so I'm a archery too, So I

914
00:46:30,760 --> 00:46:32,640
Speaker 4: was meeting with him once it supposed we shoot my bow.

915
00:46:33,040 --> 00:46:35,040
Speaker 4: You know, he's getting the arom on crusts. I'm shooting

916
00:46:35,120 --> 00:46:38,600
Speaker 4: like hunting kept me in a positive light to get

917
00:46:38,640 --> 00:46:43,360
Speaker 4: back that deer there, the doctor says. I was like,

918
00:46:43,440 --> 00:46:45,359
Speaker 4: can I go hut? And he goes. You can try

919
00:46:45,480 --> 00:46:49,400
Speaker 4: walking with the normal brains like.

920
00:46:49,440 --> 00:46:52,680
Speaker 3: A Dondroy yoga hinge brace you know, and try to

921
00:46:52,719 --> 00:46:53,759
Speaker 3: get out and see how that goes.

922
00:46:54,080 --> 00:46:58,040
Speaker 4: So I was like, awesome. Next morning I shot him.

923
00:47:00,160 --> 00:47:02,000
Speaker 4: I crawled. I have I have a lot more climber.

924
00:47:02,680 --> 00:47:05,840
Speaker 4: I go. I go all the way back there and

925
00:47:05,880 --> 00:47:07,719
Speaker 4: I had to walk like maybe like three hundred yards.

926
00:47:07,719 --> 00:47:12,080
Speaker 4: It's November seventh, I think I remember. Gets to your tree.

927
00:47:12,200 --> 00:47:14,879
Speaker 3: I'm exhausted and with a climber, so my knee still

928
00:47:14,920 --> 00:47:17,240
Speaker 3: not good. I'm climbing up a tree, but a climber

929
00:47:18,400 --> 00:47:19,800
Speaker 3: I might have got like ten feet. I was in

930
00:47:19,920 --> 00:47:23,440
Speaker 3: so much pain. It hurt so bad. I remember sitting down,

931
00:47:23,520 --> 00:47:24,880
Speaker 3: was like I shouldn't even be here, like this is

932
00:47:24,920 --> 00:47:28,360
Speaker 3: a bad idea, no ship huh yeah? And then that

933
00:47:28,440 --> 00:47:32,719
Speaker 3: guy shows up. I ended up shooting him. I had

934
00:47:32,719 --> 00:47:33,920
Speaker 3: to call Kenny again.

935
00:47:35,600 --> 00:47:38,160
Speaker 4: Because it was normal week. He's laid off, and I'm like,

936
00:47:38,920 --> 00:47:39,760
Speaker 4: I just shot a bucket.

937
00:47:39,800 --> 00:47:41,879
Speaker 3: I can't come out of the woods. So he comes

938
00:47:41,920 --> 00:47:45,680
Speaker 3: out and uh, he walks them the deer. Deer is

939
00:47:45,719 --> 00:47:47,440
Speaker 3: not dead, so he has to shoot it again. You

940
00:47:47,520 --> 00:47:51,520
Speaker 3: know I have, but so he has to drag.

941
00:47:51,800 --> 00:47:53,040
Speaker 4: He has to drag. He drug.

942
00:47:53,120 --> 00:47:55,320
Speaker 3: He drunk me out in the woods a few months prior,

943
00:47:55,400 --> 00:47:57,720
Speaker 3: and then he stopped dragging that deer out.

944
00:47:57,600 --> 00:48:01,960
Speaker 4: And looks for me. So it was a pretty cool

945
00:48:02,000 --> 00:48:02,440
Speaker 4: moment here.

946
00:48:02,480 --> 00:48:05,000
Speaker 2: You know, did you were you wearing a safety hardness

947
00:48:05,040 --> 00:48:09,560
Speaker 2: when he killed that buck Yeah? Yeah, not a full man.

948
00:48:09,760 --> 00:48:11,640
Speaker 2: I was hoping you were going to say yes.

949
00:48:12,560 --> 00:48:15,960
Speaker 3: Well, I ordered like I hate full body harnesses. I

950
00:48:16,080 --> 00:48:17,960
Speaker 3: always wore the waist spelt that was my thing. So

951
00:48:18,040 --> 00:48:23,719
Speaker 3: I girth hitched waste belt and uh that's what I used.

952
00:48:24,719 --> 00:48:28,560
Speaker 4: But it was like, oh it was it was tough.

953
00:48:28,960 --> 00:48:32,279
Speaker 3: You know, it was cool I killed that buck, you know,

954
00:48:32,440 --> 00:48:35,120
Speaker 3: like the doctor like said, you know, like hunting was

955
00:48:35,160 --> 00:48:37,680
Speaker 3: the other thing that kept me going therapy hard, like

956
00:48:38,080 --> 00:48:42,239
Speaker 3: not taking anything for granted, like really like pushing hard,

957
00:48:43,040 --> 00:48:47,480
Speaker 3: and uh like hunting got me through the darkest part

958
00:48:47,520 --> 00:48:49,919
Speaker 3: of that. It's like okay, like I'm good, Like, okay,

959
00:48:50,160 --> 00:48:53,400
Speaker 3: I did this. And then the lastern I killed the muzzloader.

960
00:48:54,320 --> 00:48:56,480
Speaker 3: I killed him first day, and mussload a couple of

961
00:48:56,520 --> 00:49:00,000
Speaker 3: days after I killed him. Two weeks after I killed him,

962
00:49:00,520 --> 00:49:03,399
Speaker 3: Muscled came in and shot that big eight, nice eight

963
00:49:03,440 --> 00:49:04,160
Speaker 3: with the muzzle litter.

964
00:49:04,800 --> 00:49:06,840
Speaker 4: It's had a pretty good season after what happened, you.

965
00:49:06,880 --> 00:49:12,040
Speaker 2: Know, dude. So like I work in the dog space

966
00:49:12,120 --> 00:49:13,840
Speaker 2: quite a bit too, Like I love bird dogs and

967
00:49:14,480 --> 00:49:18,839
Speaker 2: just I love dogs. And one of the things that's

968
00:49:19,360 --> 00:49:22,520
Speaker 2: really interesting about dog like work, sporting dogs, working dogs,

969
00:49:23,200 --> 00:49:27,400
Speaker 2: is they get a catastrophic injury and they heal up

970
00:49:27,480 --> 00:49:29,759
Speaker 2: really fast. And I've asked a lot, you know, like

971
00:49:30,680 --> 00:49:33,239
Speaker 2: crazy shit, right, like think about a German short hair pointer.

972
00:49:33,320 --> 00:49:34,920
Speaker 2: You let them out of the truck and they go

973
00:49:35,200 --> 00:49:37,320
Speaker 2: a thousand miles an hour over a cattle grate and

974
00:49:37,400 --> 00:49:39,560
Speaker 2: get their legs stuck in there and twist it, you know,

975
00:49:40,000 --> 00:49:42,600
Speaker 2: completely the wrong way, the shoulder or whatever. Shit like that,

976
00:49:42,960 --> 00:49:49,640
Speaker 2: or eating like catfish bait with a treble hook in it,

977
00:49:49,800 --> 00:49:52,279
Speaker 2: running away and setting the hook into their esophagus. That

978
00:49:52,480 --> 00:49:55,600
Speaker 2: kind of shit, right, And I've talked to a bunch

979
00:49:55,600 --> 00:49:58,760
Speaker 2: of different veterinarians about this, and they're always like dogs,

980
00:49:58,840 --> 00:50:02,080
Speaker 2: heel up, so far asked, and I'm always like why, Like,

981
00:50:02,200 --> 00:50:04,880
Speaker 2: what's what's the secret? It's because they don't have a

982
00:50:04,960 --> 00:50:08,400
Speaker 2: pity party for themselves. They don't anyway. So when you

983
00:50:08,560 --> 00:50:10,800
Speaker 2: talk about this is one of the things about this

984
00:50:11,120 --> 00:50:14,840
Speaker 2: month of episodes that's really kind of driven home for

985
00:50:14,960 --> 00:50:17,960
Speaker 2: me is we think about the injury, right, Like you

986
00:50:18,040 --> 00:50:21,600
Speaker 2: think about how how traumatic that injury is, but you

987
00:50:21,680 --> 00:50:25,880
Speaker 2: don't think about the emotional weight for everybody else around

988
00:50:25,960 --> 00:50:30,200
Speaker 2: you or the okay, like you can walk again, that's great,

989
00:50:30,320 --> 00:50:32,080
Speaker 2: you can you know, they worked on your knee, Like

990
00:50:32,120 --> 00:50:33,680
Speaker 2: you're going to be back out there. You're out killing

991
00:50:33,760 --> 00:50:38,040
Speaker 2: deer pretty quickly afterwards. But you've got a house payment,

992
00:50:38,160 --> 00:50:40,680
Speaker 2: a brand new house payment you can't make, and the

993
00:50:40,760 --> 00:50:43,960
Speaker 2: stress of that. And so when people when you when

994
00:50:43,960 --> 00:50:45,600
Speaker 2: you think about this kind of stuff.

995
00:50:45,360 --> 00:50:45,680
Speaker 4: It's like.

996
00:50:47,800 --> 00:50:50,040
Speaker 2: Our audience will understand it to some extent when you

997
00:50:50,160 --> 00:50:53,320
Speaker 2: say deer hunting and the prospect of going deer hunting

998
00:50:54,120 --> 00:50:57,239
Speaker 2: was a lot for you, not only just mentally to like,

999
00:50:57,400 --> 00:50:59,200
Speaker 2: I got to get back out there. That's the thing

1000
00:50:59,280 --> 00:51:01,759
Speaker 2: that I need to like fill my cup up, but

1001
00:51:01,880 --> 00:51:06,719
Speaker 2: also just go kick ass at PT and get better.

1002
00:51:07,000 --> 00:51:09,480
Speaker 2: That kind of thing instead of just sitting there wallowing

1003
00:51:09,560 --> 00:51:12,960
Speaker 2: in yourself pity changes the arc of your recovery.

1004
00:51:13,840 --> 00:51:18,200
Speaker 3: I've had a lot of I said, before this leg injury,

1005
00:51:18,280 --> 00:51:23,919
Speaker 3: I had countless surgeries and one thing I found out. Yeah,

1006
00:51:24,160 --> 00:51:28,239
Speaker 3: it's it's tough. It's harsh saying it, but people only

1007
00:51:28,400 --> 00:51:32,320
Speaker 3: care so much about your well being, so they have

1008
00:51:32,440 --> 00:51:35,319
Speaker 3: their own lives. Like before I had kids. It might

1009
00:51:35,360 --> 00:51:36,839
Speaker 3: be different now because they got a wife and kids.

1010
00:51:36,880 --> 00:51:39,759
Speaker 3: But when I was alone, it's like I spent a

1011
00:51:39,800 --> 00:51:41,320
Speaker 3: lot on you know, I manage it this. In my

1012
00:51:41,360 --> 00:51:44,640
Speaker 3: early twenties, I was in the hospital for two weeks

1013
00:51:45,640 --> 00:51:48,000
Speaker 3: pretty much alone. People's got their lives going on.

1014
00:51:48,080 --> 00:51:49,800
Speaker 4: So yeah, we'll get there tomorrow. We'll get there tomorrow.

1015
00:51:50,280 --> 00:51:52,000
Speaker 3: Very few people came and see me, you know, some

1016
00:51:52,120 --> 00:51:55,279
Speaker 3: friends and workers, you know, my dad was working. It

1017
00:51:55,360 --> 00:51:58,360
Speaker 3: was kind of like, well whatever, so a couple of

1018
00:51:58,400 --> 00:52:00,880
Speaker 3: knee surgeries, no one comes to see you, Like, no

1019
00:52:01,000 --> 00:52:01,920
Speaker 3: one really cares.

1020
00:52:02,360 --> 00:52:05,760
Speaker 4: It's like that that level of caring stops.

1021
00:52:05,440 --> 00:52:08,200
Speaker 3: Because well, people have their own lives. There, every own

1022
00:52:08,280 --> 00:52:11,600
Speaker 3: problems to deal with. So it's like, while I'm a pity,

1023
00:52:12,560 --> 00:52:16,200
Speaker 3: no one cares. While I call it the e or mentality,

1024
00:52:16,560 --> 00:52:17,880
Speaker 3: Well with me, no one cares.

1025
00:52:18,640 --> 00:52:21,080
Speaker 4: Like I don't want to be around those people. So

1026
00:52:21,200 --> 00:52:24,360
Speaker 4: it's like why would I behave the same way. So

1027
00:52:24,480 --> 00:52:26,800
Speaker 4: it's like just accept.

1028
00:52:26,920 --> 00:52:30,120
Speaker 3: Whatever is happening, you know, and move forward, Like regret

1029
00:52:30,640 --> 00:52:34,279
Speaker 3: what do you regret? Regrets all in the past. All

1030
00:52:34,320 --> 00:52:35,839
Speaker 3: you got is here now, Like move forward.

1031
00:52:36,120 --> 00:52:39,120
Speaker 4: You're busted up. Good work through a problem, you know,

1032
00:52:39,200 --> 00:52:40,000
Speaker 4: work through your problem.

1033
00:52:40,040 --> 00:52:40,200
Speaker 3: You know.

1034
00:52:41,040 --> 00:52:43,319
Speaker 4: Then I came home.

1035
00:52:43,360 --> 00:52:46,920
Speaker 3: I'm laying in the hospital bed in my house and uh,

1036
00:52:47,600 --> 00:52:51,040
Speaker 3: just laying there just power of them alone, just thinking.

1037
00:52:51,800 --> 00:52:54,480
Speaker 4: And I was like, once I got home from the hospital,

1038
00:52:56,480 --> 00:52:58,440
Speaker 4: never really checked on me. You know. I was like,

1039
00:52:58,560 --> 00:53:01,840
Speaker 4: you know, a girlfriendmost worked, and you know, then my girlfriend's.

1040
00:53:01,440 --> 00:53:04,200
Speaker 3: Dad at the time, Like she got six, she wasn't here,

1041
00:53:04,280 --> 00:53:07,480
Speaker 3: like I was litterly alone. My buddy's like they got jobs,

1042
00:53:07,560 --> 00:53:09,279
Speaker 3: kids and stuff like that. So it's like you have

1043
00:53:09,360 --> 00:53:10,160
Speaker 3: a lot of time to think.

1044
00:53:10,200 --> 00:53:10,480
Speaker 4: It's like.

1045
00:53:12,000 --> 00:53:15,440
Speaker 3: Something that bad ever happens to me, like me falling

1046
00:53:15,440 --> 00:53:17,560
Speaker 3: out a tree. If I would have paralyzed, I would

1047
00:53:17,600 --> 00:53:21,520
Speaker 3: have screwed everyone's lives off, because not only mine, but

1048
00:53:21,680 --> 00:53:24,680
Speaker 3: everyone around me, because now they got to take care

1049
00:53:24,719 --> 00:53:26,239
Speaker 3: of me, They got to run me here, they got

1050
00:53:26,360 --> 00:53:29,080
Speaker 3: to do this. So it's like you have all these

1051
00:53:29,160 --> 00:53:32,520
Speaker 3: time to think, and it's like I gotta mentally get

1052
00:53:32,600 --> 00:53:35,840
Speaker 3: myself right and get out and do things I enjoyed

1053
00:53:36,239 --> 00:53:38,640
Speaker 3: because sitting in this bed, you know, I was like,

1054
00:53:39,600 --> 00:53:41,160
Speaker 3: it's not it's not for me.

1055
00:53:41,760 --> 00:53:43,799
Speaker 4: You can probably cut my length off. I'm still going

1056
00:53:43,840 --> 00:53:45,879
Speaker 4: out in the woods. I'm still gonna I'm gonna find

1057
00:53:45,920 --> 00:53:48,640
Speaker 4: a way to get out in the woods, shoot my

1058
00:53:48,680 --> 00:53:51,640
Speaker 4: bet and do things that for my my own mental

1059
00:53:51,719 --> 00:53:52,480
Speaker 4: state I need to do.

1060
00:53:52,800 --> 00:53:56,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, But I mean, that's it. It's so poignant to

1061
00:53:56,360 --> 00:53:58,960
Speaker 2: hear you talk about that. Like I just wrote about

1062
00:53:59,000 --> 00:54:03,080
Speaker 2: this with uh the situation where you know, the non

1063
00:54:03,200 --> 00:54:06,040
Speaker 2: resident resident thing where you know, residents are like, we

1064
00:54:06,120 --> 00:54:08,160
Speaker 2: got to kick non residents out so I have better hunting.

1065
00:54:08,719 --> 00:54:11,640
Speaker 2: Like there's always there's always a reason. We can always

1066
00:54:11,640 --> 00:54:14,359
Speaker 2: find a reason to not be successful, or we can

1067
00:54:14,360 --> 00:54:16,080
Speaker 2: always find a reason to not have the fun that

1068
00:54:16,160 --> 00:54:18,600
Speaker 2: we think we should or whatever. And I just keep

1069
00:54:18,680 --> 00:54:20,520
Speaker 2: looking at this. I'm like everybody I know who's a

1070
00:54:20,680 --> 00:54:23,799
Speaker 2: really good white tail hunter, like you, We know lots

1071
00:54:23,840 --> 00:54:25,279
Speaker 2: of the same people who go out and kind of

1072
00:54:25,320 --> 00:54:29,240
Speaker 2: get it done wherever they wherever they hunt. It's because

1073
00:54:29,280 --> 00:54:33,320
Speaker 2: you accept that you have sole agency over this, like

1074
00:54:33,760 --> 00:54:36,200
Speaker 2: it's it's on you. You know, you might have somebody

1075
00:54:36,239 --> 00:54:38,640
Speaker 2: come in and walk in on your setup at some point.

1076
00:54:39,160 --> 00:54:41,359
Speaker 2: I mean, you're going to write or you're gonna you're

1077
00:54:41,360 --> 00:54:43,040
Speaker 2: gonna be on Plan C for the night because there's

1078
00:54:43,040 --> 00:54:46,160
Speaker 2: trucks parked wherever. That's just like a little part of

1079
00:54:46,200 --> 00:54:49,160
Speaker 2: the game. But but you going out and scouting and

1080
00:54:49,560 --> 00:54:53,239
Speaker 2: you like planning those hunts and doing doing your thing.

1081
00:54:53,840 --> 00:54:57,120
Speaker 2: It's just on you. Like that, just the failure just

1082
00:54:57,160 --> 00:54:59,680
Speaker 2: as much as a success. And so when you talk

1083
00:54:59,680 --> 00:55:04,279
Speaker 2: about this that's so important to acknowledge. It's like you're right,

1084
00:55:04,480 --> 00:55:07,239
Speaker 2: nobody's sitting there like, oh, I you know, they're like, yeah,

1085
00:55:07,239 --> 00:55:08,960
Speaker 2: I feel bad for Greg, but I have to go

1086
00:55:09,080 --> 00:55:12,000
Speaker 2: pay my mortgage. I got to take care of my kids.

1087
00:55:12,400 --> 00:55:14,800
Speaker 2: He's a tough dude. He'll recover just fine. And you

1088
00:55:15,040 --> 00:55:19,120
Speaker 2: are there responsible for finding that thing that's going to

1089
00:55:19,239 --> 00:55:20,319
Speaker 2: drive you to keep going.

1090
00:55:21,080 --> 00:55:23,279
Speaker 4: Yeah, and uh, you know.

1091
00:55:23,600 --> 00:55:25,920
Speaker 3: I've gotten over now with kids, Like I still think

1092
00:55:25,960 --> 00:55:30,279
Speaker 3: about that, you know, like if something ever happens to me,

1093
00:55:30,560 --> 00:55:34,400
Speaker 3: if I'm hunting like now, like like the saddles came about,

1094
00:55:34,600 --> 00:55:37,400
Speaker 3: you know, like big so like I gravitated towards the

1095
00:55:37,440 --> 00:55:40,600
Speaker 3: saddle pretty much because like the safety aspect of it,

1096
00:55:40,719 --> 00:55:44,400
Speaker 3: like Okay, I'm from here there and down like I'm complete.

1097
00:55:45,120 --> 00:55:47,600
Speaker 4: I'm you know, I'm connected. I love that part.

1098
00:55:47,600 --> 00:55:50,040
Speaker 3: And it's like there are some times I'll stand like

1099
00:55:50,239 --> 00:55:53,239
Speaker 3: one stick just and I'll time up set the other

1100
00:55:53,280 --> 00:55:56,040
Speaker 3: stick and I'm like I shouldn't be I shouldn't even

1101
00:55:56,080 --> 00:55:58,080
Speaker 3: be five ft off the ground, and it's like the

1102
00:55:58,160 --> 00:56:00,360
Speaker 3: lineman's literally like right here on my thing. And it's like,

1103
00:56:01,360 --> 00:56:03,479
Speaker 3: you know, and like that AWAYS tell my daughter because

1104
00:56:03,480 --> 00:56:05,840
Speaker 3: you get in the cars, like sometimes I'll forget my

1105
00:56:05,920 --> 00:56:09,000
Speaker 3: safety belt. I always tell ant. I'm like yell at

1106
00:56:09,040 --> 00:56:11,000
Speaker 3: me if I forget to put my belt on because

1107
00:56:11,000 --> 00:56:13,360
Speaker 3: I'm trying to help you. Sometimes I forget and shivel

1108
00:56:13,440 --> 00:56:18,800
Speaker 3: like dad, your belt, safety first, and it's like, you know,

1109
00:56:18,920 --> 00:56:21,080
Speaker 3: it's like and it's like, so it's like I still

1110
00:56:21,120 --> 00:56:23,400
Speaker 3: forget because I'm I'm strapping her and doing this and

1111
00:56:23,480 --> 00:56:25,200
Speaker 3: I put it in reverse, you know, and I go

1112
00:56:25,360 --> 00:56:26,360
Speaker 3: and I'm like, I.

1113
00:56:26,400 --> 00:56:28,879
Speaker 4: May have my dun on. What's this beeping noise? It's

1114
00:56:28,920 --> 00:56:30,640
Speaker 4: a safety belt, And the show remind me. I'm like

1115
00:56:30,719 --> 00:56:33,640
Speaker 4: that safety first, and I'm like it's still to this day.

1116
00:56:33,719 --> 00:56:36,040
Speaker 3: You know, it's like come on, man, Like I'm forty

1117
00:56:36,120 --> 00:56:39,440
Speaker 3: six years old and I still cut corners and it's

1118
00:56:39,480 --> 00:56:41,840
Speaker 3: like and you're.

1119
00:56:41,360 --> 00:56:45,759
Speaker 4: Running gautlet you know, you take chances with anything. My job,

1120
00:56:45,840 --> 00:56:48,000
Speaker 4: I do some sketchy shit sometimes at work and you're like.

1121
00:56:48,840 --> 00:56:50,879
Speaker 3: Bruh, shouldn't have done that, hey, but the job's done.

1122
00:56:50,960 --> 00:56:53,640
Speaker 3: But it's like, come on, man, like you know better,

1123
00:56:54,560 --> 00:56:56,279
Speaker 3: like overreaching to get this boat.

1124
00:56:56,360 --> 00:56:59,640
Speaker 4: You're like, I got this, and it's like why you

1125
00:56:59,680 --> 00:57:00,440
Speaker 4: even doing on that night?

1126
00:57:01,000 --> 00:57:03,759
Speaker 2: Well? And I mean so my my wife is a

1127
00:57:03,760 --> 00:57:06,520
Speaker 2: physical therapist, right, and she worked at a pain clinic

1128
00:57:06,560 --> 00:57:08,200
Speaker 2: for a long time. She's dealt with a lot of

1129
00:57:08,280 --> 00:57:12,880
Speaker 2: people with random injuries, wild wild shit, right, and you

1130
00:57:13,000 --> 00:57:16,520
Speaker 2: always think, you know, like in the hunting space, people

1131
00:57:16,560 --> 00:57:18,440
Speaker 2: are always like, oh, have you seen a mountain lion?

1132
00:57:18,520 --> 00:57:22,400
Speaker 2: Have you ever ran into grizzly, a rattlesnake? Whatever? And

1133
00:57:22,440 --> 00:57:25,040
Speaker 2: I'm like, it's it's that's not what's going to get yeah,

1134
00:57:25,640 --> 00:57:27,960
Speaker 2: you know, like that's you're going to run a broadhead

1135
00:57:28,000 --> 00:57:30,560
Speaker 2: through your thigh doing something stupid, or you're going to

1136
00:57:30,640 --> 00:57:33,320
Speaker 2: fall out of a tree. And you know you mentioned

1137
00:57:33,440 --> 00:57:36,160
Speaker 2: even you put up one section of sticks, right, go

1138
00:57:36,280 --> 00:57:38,000
Speaker 2: to the next one. So like you said, your feet

1139
00:57:38,000 --> 00:57:41,120
Speaker 2: are maybe four to six feet off the ground, and

1140
00:57:41,240 --> 00:57:45,880
Speaker 2: you're like, big deal, right, well if you fall out

1141
00:57:45,920 --> 00:57:48,640
Speaker 2: of that. My wife has treated patients who've been paralyzed

1142
00:57:48,720 --> 00:57:51,520
Speaker 2: for falling out of hammocks, you know what I mean,

1143
00:57:51,920 --> 00:57:54,400
Speaker 2: Like stuff where you're just like, no, way, that's two feet.

1144
00:57:56,000 --> 00:57:58,280
Speaker 2: I did a I was at a media event one

1145
00:57:58,320 --> 00:58:01,320
Speaker 2: time years ago and there was a guy there who

1146
00:58:01,520 --> 00:58:06,160
Speaker 2: had he was six feet up doing what we're talking about,

1147
00:58:06,560 --> 00:58:11,560
Speaker 2: and fell six feet and he shattered both of his ankles.

1148
00:58:11,840 --> 00:58:14,040
Speaker 2: I mean you're talking like, like you said, like a

1149
00:58:14,200 --> 00:58:19,360
Speaker 2: life changing injury, you know, not not life threatening, but

1150
00:58:20,280 --> 00:58:23,080
Speaker 2: your quality of life, the future of your life changes

1151
00:58:23,120 --> 00:58:26,400
Speaker 2: in that moment from a six foot fall. You know,

1152
00:58:26,720 --> 00:58:28,320
Speaker 2: just it's crazy.

1153
00:58:28,880 --> 00:58:32,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, like Osha, they always say like most like in

1154
00:58:32,880 --> 00:58:36,120
Speaker 3: a workplace fall him or like under six feet are

1155
00:58:36,160 --> 00:58:38,600
Speaker 3: someone most fatal, And you're like six feet You're like,

1156
00:58:39,440 --> 00:58:42,080
Speaker 3: it's just a step lane, you know what I'm saying.

1157
00:58:42,200 --> 00:58:44,880
Speaker 3: But you fall, hit your head, you know, Like I

1158
00:58:45,000 --> 00:58:49,040
Speaker 3: know guys that have bumped their head and get brain bleeds,

1159
00:58:49,200 --> 00:58:50,600
Speaker 3: they'll know, go to bed and don't wake up.

1160
00:58:50,760 --> 00:58:50,960
Speaker 2: Yep.

1161
00:58:51,240 --> 00:58:53,919
Speaker 3: Then you're like guys that go hiking fall a trail,

1162
00:58:54,000 --> 00:58:56,440
Speaker 3: hit their heads, snowboarders like skateboards, all this stuff, and

1163
00:58:56,480 --> 00:58:59,360
Speaker 3: it's like he's just you never know, like some people

1164
00:58:59,680 --> 00:59:03,960
Speaker 3: just lucky, some people aren't. It's there's no rhyme or

1165
00:59:04,000 --> 00:59:06,400
Speaker 3: reason though it's your time.

1166
00:59:06,440 --> 00:59:07,280
Speaker 4: I guess it's your.

1167
00:59:07,160 --> 00:59:10,320
Speaker 2: Time, dude. I've never had like a bad, bad injury

1168
00:59:10,360 --> 00:59:13,720
Speaker 2: in the outdoors, but it is always it's something, you know,

1169
00:59:13,800 --> 00:59:16,040
Speaker 2: like I when I had that fence break on me

1170
00:59:16,120 --> 00:59:17,840
Speaker 2: in Oklahoma, and I thought I ripped my nuts off.

1171
00:59:18,200 --> 00:59:20,920
Speaker 2: I'm crossing the fence. You're crossing the fence, you know,

1172
00:59:21,000 --> 00:59:23,720
Speaker 2: I mean, how many times in a year do we

1173
00:59:23,880 --> 00:59:28,400
Speaker 2: cross barberer fences? Yeah, you know, or I mean I was.

1174
00:59:28,560 --> 00:59:30,600
Speaker 2: I was cutting up a deer one time. This is

1175
00:59:31,040 --> 00:59:33,440
Speaker 2: I was pretty young this time, but I was cutting

1176
00:59:34,320 --> 00:59:36,920
Speaker 2: like a leg bone with a saw over my like

1177
00:59:37,040 --> 00:59:39,800
Speaker 2: above my head. It was hanging up, yeah, and a

1178
00:59:39,880 --> 00:59:42,320
Speaker 2: piece of bone came out and hit me in the

1179
00:59:42,400 --> 00:59:46,400
Speaker 2: eye and I rubbed it and scratched right across my eye.

1180
00:59:46,920 --> 00:59:48,920
Speaker 2: And you know, I mean, just dumb, right, And I

1181
00:59:49,040 --> 00:59:51,520
Speaker 2: had it was day one I had the I had

1182
00:59:51,600 --> 00:59:54,560
Speaker 2: a five days after a hunt the rut, and I

1183
00:59:54,720 --> 00:59:58,840
Speaker 2: killed a dough And the whole time I'm sitting in

1184
00:59:58,920 --> 01:00:00,600
Speaker 2: a tree stand with a scratch in my eye in

1185
01:00:00,680 --> 01:00:04,440
Speaker 2: that you know, like twenty five degree wind blowing in

1186
01:00:04,560 --> 01:00:07,040
Speaker 2: and there's just twears running down my face the whole time,

1187
01:00:07,040 --> 01:00:09,320
Speaker 2: and like this is so like such a stupid like

1188
01:00:09,480 --> 01:00:09,880
Speaker 2: things like.

1189
01:00:09,960 --> 01:00:18,920
Speaker 4: That happen, you know, cattails. So the same year I

1190
01:00:19,000 --> 01:00:19,960
Speaker 4: broke I found on a tree.

1191
01:00:20,320 --> 01:00:23,479
Speaker 3: So we're gun, honey, We're I'm doing drys for people

1192
01:00:23,720 --> 01:00:28,320
Speaker 3: in through the swamp. On this hand here, No, it's

1193
01:00:28,360 --> 01:00:32,320
Speaker 3: actually this hand here right here, a cat tail went.

1194
01:00:33,840 --> 01:00:36,520
Speaker 4: And blayed me. I'm walking to the swamp.

1195
01:00:36,560 --> 01:00:39,200
Speaker 3: I'm like, man, some shut deer's blood everywhere here it

1196
01:00:39,320 --> 01:00:43,040
Speaker 3: is me. I'm like, oh my goodness, like everymbe was

1197
01:00:43,080 --> 01:00:45,560
Speaker 3: like I take off, like turn me. It's just pouring

1198
01:00:45,600 --> 01:00:48,240
Speaker 3: out of my hand. I'm going they we're like knee

1199
01:00:48,320 --> 01:00:50,760
Speaker 3: deep swamp and I'm like and like an idiot, I

1200
01:00:50,960 --> 01:00:52,920
Speaker 3: put my hand in the water, like to wash it all.

1201
01:00:53,080 --> 01:00:55,200
Speaker 4: Well. Know, So I'm like that was a tough idea.

1202
01:00:55,240 --> 01:00:57,040
Speaker 4: And I was like, I had to go get stitches

1203
01:00:57,120 --> 01:00:58,040
Speaker 4: on the top of my hand.

1204
01:00:58,440 --> 01:01:01,200
Speaker 3: And I'm like, from my cat, how many cattails are

1205
01:01:01,200 --> 01:01:05,040
Speaker 3: all going through, dude, thousands of miles of cattails.

1206
01:01:05,280 --> 01:01:06,960
Speaker 4: Never you know, you get him an eye whenever we

1207
01:01:07,200 --> 01:01:08,919
Speaker 4: like it cut me like a razor.

1208
01:01:09,600 --> 01:01:12,160
Speaker 3: It was, say, I don't even understand this, and like

1209
01:01:12,360 --> 01:01:14,520
Speaker 3: they're all laughing at me because I got this brace

1210
01:01:14,600 --> 01:01:15,200
Speaker 3: on my left leg.

1211
01:01:15,640 --> 01:01:18,080
Speaker 4: I go to the same hospital I got my legs

1212
01:01:18,120 --> 01:01:21,880
Speaker 4: fixed on. It's like like some days it's just not

1213
01:01:22,000 --> 01:01:24,360
Speaker 4: you man, Like some years he's CA's the.

1214
01:01:24,440 --> 01:01:38,080
Speaker 2: Wrong end of you know. We we think about these

1215
01:01:38,200 --> 01:01:41,080
Speaker 2: environments that we're really used to, like you, I mean,

1216
01:01:41,280 --> 01:01:44,120
Speaker 2: I mean cattails all the time, cattail swamps all the

1217
01:01:44,160 --> 01:01:47,480
Speaker 2: freaking time, And you think like you know, you always

1218
01:01:47,480 --> 01:01:50,600
Speaker 2: look at like Africa ors you know, some other Australia

1219
01:01:50,600 --> 01:01:52,440
Speaker 2: and you're like, that's so dangerous, like that ground like,

1220
01:01:52,720 --> 01:01:54,920
Speaker 2: but we're just used to the ground we're in, right,

1221
01:01:55,040 --> 01:01:57,560
Speaker 2: and it's not the same kind of dangers. But you know,

1222
01:01:57,640 --> 01:02:00,480
Speaker 2: like you talking about that. Uh. One of my really

1223
01:02:00,520 --> 01:02:04,400
Speaker 2: good buddies, he was pheasant hunting in South Dakota with

1224
01:02:04,520 --> 01:02:07,760
Speaker 2: his dogs and his dog he noticed his dog was

1225
01:02:07,800 --> 01:02:11,400
Speaker 2: sneezing and pawing at its face. So he walked up

1226
01:02:11,440 --> 01:02:12,640
Speaker 2: to it and he could see a little piece of

1227
01:02:12,680 --> 01:02:16,200
Speaker 2: cattail stem sticking out of his nose and so he said,

1228
01:02:16,240 --> 01:02:18,800
Speaker 2: he pulled it out and it was like six inches long,

1229
01:02:19,480 --> 01:02:22,000
Speaker 2: and he said the blood started shooting out, and he

1230
01:02:22,120 --> 01:02:25,120
Speaker 2: said he ran back to his truck through that dog

1231
01:02:25,200 --> 01:02:27,480
Speaker 2: in the front of his truck didn't create him. And

1232
01:02:27,600 --> 01:02:29,440
Speaker 2: he said by the time he got to the emergency vet,

1233
01:02:29,480 --> 01:02:30,880
Speaker 2: it looked like he had butchered his steer in the

1234
01:02:30,880 --> 01:02:33,360
Speaker 2: front of his truck. Yeah, I mean, just from a

1235
01:02:34,040 --> 01:02:35,919
Speaker 2: freaking cattail yep.

1236
01:02:36,080 --> 01:02:38,760
Speaker 3: And it's like I had a cat. They had a

1237
01:02:38,800 --> 01:02:43,480
Speaker 3: piece of grass stuff in his nasal cavity. I'd take

1238
01:02:43,520 --> 01:02:44,760
Speaker 3: it to the fan and they wanted to put it

1239
01:02:44,800 --> 01:02:46,680
Speaker 3: down because he could put what was wrong. So the

1240
01:02:46,760 --> 01:02:49,240
Speaker 3: one vet was I went there and I put out this.

1241
01:02:49,640 --> 01:02:51,160
Speaker 3: It was like an eight inch piece of grass.

1242
01:02:51,200 --> 01:02:53,480
Speaker 4: It was just infected in there. And they're like, oh

1243
01:02:53,560 --> 01:02:55,520
Speaker 4: my god, this is horrible. And I was like, but

1244
01:02:56,040 --> 01:02:56,920
Speaker 4: it was just in there.

1245
01:02:57,000 --> 01:02:58,360
Speaker 3: Lord knows how long it was in there, and it

1246
01:02:58,480 --> 01:03:01,280
Speaker 3: just got an affection down those lungs and everything. But

1247
01:03:01,320 --> 01:03:05,400
Speaker 3: I'm like a piece of grass, like a long blated grass,

1248
01:03:05,720 --> 01:03:07,240
Speaker 3: almost killed my cat, you.

1249
01:03:07,280 --> 01:03:09,800
Speaker 2: Know, right, And it's stuff like that. I mean, I

1250
01:03:10,200 --> 01:03:12,640
Speaker 2: had a few years ago. I can't remember if I've

1251
01:03:12,680 --> 01:03:14,880
Speaker 2: ever talked about this on here, but I fell through

1252
01:03:14,960 --> 01:03:18,480
Speaker 2: the ice pheasant hunting in a cattail slew and it

1253
01:03:18,600 --> 01:03:22,720
Speaker 2: was like nineteen below that morning, and I fell through.

1254
01:03:22,800 --> 01:03:24,600
Speaker 2: The only time I've ever fallen through were I couldn't touch,

1255
01:03:24,600 --> 01:03:26,400
Speaker 2: you know, you fall through and the cattails quite a bit,

1256
01:03:27,000 --> 01:03:29,920
Speaker 2: hey touch whatever you get out. I fell through that time,

1257
01:03:29,960 --> 01:03:33,040
Speaker 2: couldn't touch, and ended up kind of weaseling my way

1258
01:03:33,040 --> 01:03:34,760
Speaker 2: over to get a hold of the cattails next to

1259
01:03:34,800 --> 01:03:35,880
Speaker 2: me and pulled myself out.

1260
01:03:36,160 --> 01:03:36,360
Speaker 4: Yep.

1261
01:03:36,840 --> 01:03:39,040
Speaker 2: And as I was walking out, my dog got Birdie

1262
01:03:39,080 --> 01:03:41,320
Speaker 2: right away and I'm like, well, I'm gonna I'm going

1263
01:03:41,360 --> 01:03:43,120
Speaker 2: back to my truck, but she flushes the rooster. I'm

1264
01:03:43,120 --> 01:03:45,640
Speaker 2: gonna shoot it, and she flushed because I'm like, I

1265
01:03:45,680 --> 01:03:49,320
Speaker 2: gotta go that way anyway. Yeah, And I mean it's brutal,

1266
01:03:49,640 --> 01:03:52,320
Speaker 2: brutal cold, and I'm walking out and Luna flushed the

1267
01:03:52,400 --> 01:03:53,760
Speaker 2: rooster in front of me. I pulled up and my

1268
01:03:53,840 --> 01:03:56,240
Speaker 2: gun was frozen from the barrel to the butt. Dude,

1269
01:03:56,640 --> 01:03:59,040
Speaker 2: like just a block of ice. It wasn't gonna work

1270
01:03:59,080 --> 01:03:59,320
Speaker 2: at all.

1271
01:04:00,120 --> 01:04:04,520
Speaker 3: But yeah, that's that's a like bird hunters. My uncles

1272
01:04:04,560 --> 01:04:07,240
Speaker 3: were big. They traveled the country bird hunt and ground hunting,

1273
01:04:07,680 --> 01:04:10,440
Speaker 3: and they would go out to you know, Fen all

1274
01:04:10,520 --> 01:04:13,800
Speaker 3: out west there, and like my I live. We live

1275
01:04:13,840 --> 01:04:16,880
Speaker 3: in the coastal area. So it's duck hunters, right, I've

1276
01:04:16,920 --> 01:04:17,400
Speaker 3: been duck.

1277
01:04:17,320 --> 01:04:18,400
Speaker 4: On some duck hunters.

1278
01:04:18,480 --> 01:04:22,160
Speaker 3: There's some there's some hardcore dudes, like they will drag

1279
01:04:22,480 --> 01:04:25,200
Speaker 3: their canoe or boat across an ice field, just breaking

1280
01:04:25,240 --> 01:04:25,920
Speaker 3: through the whole time.

1281
01:04:26,040 --> 01:04:29,640
Speaker 4: Let's go shoot some ducks. You know. It's like, I've

1282
01:04:29,680 --> 01:04:32,720
Speaker 4: been duck hunting a few times and it's like this

1283
01:04:32,880 --> 01:04:35,760
Speaker 4: is this could not end well for us, because it's

1284
01:04:35,840 --> 01:04:37,760
Speaker 4: like you're out the middle of nowhere, the winds just

1285
01:04:37,880 --> 01:04:38,960
Speaker 4: going and you're like, we don't know.

1286
01:04:39,080 --> 01:04:41,800
Speaker 3: It's just like because it's high time and low tide

1287
01:04:41,840 --> 01:04:43,640
Speaker 3: here and it's just ic. So you're walking on like

1288
01:04:44,120 --> 01:04:46,680
Speaker 3: you might be three feet from the water sometimes, you know.

1289
01:04:46,840 --> 01:04:50,360
Speaker 3: So it's like it's just sketchy. Like I'm not a

1290
01:04:50,400 --> 01:04:52,120
Speaker 3: fan of duck hunt anymore. Like if I'm duk on,

1291
01:04:52,360 --> 01:04:53,640
Speaker 3: I'm like a fair one of the duck hunter.

1292
01:04:53,840 --> 01:04:55,520
Speaker 4: Like, oh, you got a spot behind your house and

1293
01:04:55,560 --> 01:04:58,320
Speaker 4: a blind right cool revolves a boat.

1294
01:04:58,560 --> 01:05:02,960
Speaker 2: I'm good man, it's right, it's gonna be sixty degrees

1295
01:05:03,000 --> 01:05:06,080
Speaker 2: and Sonny, we're gonna shoot some wood ducks in October. Sure, yeah,

1296
01:05:06,200 --> 01:05:06,840
Speaker 2: I'm all about that.

1297
01:05:07,080 --> 01:05:10,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, thing like right, people that go in that

1298
01:05:10,720 --> 01:05:13,000
Speaker 3: sub I don't even I don't even here hut when

1299
01:05:13,000 --> 01:05:13,840
Speaker 3: it subs here anymore.

1300
01:05:14,360 --> 01:05:17,880
Speaker 4: Like it's just I don't enjoy it. I don't.

1301
01:05:18,040 --> 01:05:21,080
Speaker 3: I don't get a reward from him anymore, maybe because

1302
01:05:21,080 --> 01:05:25,000
Speaker 3: I'm just old and it's cold. But dude, if it's

1303
01:05:25,080 --> 01:05:26,800
Speaker 3: extreme cold, now, I'm good.

1304
01:05:27,640 --> 01:05:32,360
Speaker 2: I I still will sometimes, but it never I've never

1305
01:05:32,480 --> 01:05:35,000
Speaker 2: hunted a situation where you know, people will be like, oh,

1306
01:05:35,080 --> 01:05:37,200
Speaker 2: it's if it's that cold, just go sit the food

1307
01:05:37,280 --> 01:05:39,160
Speaker 2: plot or whatever, and they're going to pour in there.

1308
01:05:39,640 --> 01:05:42,480
Speaker 2: It's always just been me freezing my ass off, not

1309
01:05:42,920 --> 01:05:45,080
Speaker 2: seeing any deer killing anything or you know, you walk

1310
01:05:45,160 --> 01:05:47,320
Speaker 2: out and when it gets that cold, the snow is

1311
01:05:47,400 --> 01:05:51,720
Speaker 2: like that's squeaky crunchy, just like right, it's just a

1312
01:05:51,760 --> 01:05:52,280
Speaker 2: bad idea.

1313
01:05:52,880 --> 01:05:55,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I'll go out winter blow if I

1314
01:05:56,040 --> 01:05:59,160
Speaker 3: need some, Like the last week, a couple of food plots,

1315
01:05:59,760 --> 01:06:01,400
Speaker 3: I'll it on the ground to shoot it. The birth

1316
01:06:01,480 --> 01:06:03,480
Speaker 3: Day comes out and wanted to shoot and by the

1317
01:06:03,520 --> 01:06:05,520
Speaker 3: time they come out, like I'm just a frozen popsicle

1318
01:06:05,640 --> 01:06:07,800
Speaker 3: and it's like and it's like I'm just pulling. You

1319
01:06:07,840 --> 01:06:09,400
Speaker 3: got so much clothes on it, just pull them back.

1320
01:06:09,440 --> 01:06:12,240
Speaker 3: You're like, I'm not super active with it. So it's

1321
01:06:12,240 --> 01:06:14,000
Speaker 3: like just like twenty yards and under, and it's like

1322
01:06:14,080 --> 01:06:16,480
Speaker 3: shoot that deer. It's so cold that deer will going

1323
01:06:16,520 --> 01:06:18,680
Speaker 3: like forty yards and it's like you get the arrow

1324
01:06:18,680 --> 01:06:20,280
Speaker 3: and the bluffs are like frozen on the air.

1325
01:06:20,400 --> 01:06:22,840
Speaker 4: You're like, it's cold, man, this and this is New Jersey.

1326
01:06:22,960 --> 01:06:25,920
Speaker 3: So it's like we don't get negative nineteen like we

1327
01:06:26,040 --> 01:06:30,280
Speaker 3: might get like twelve thirteen degrees, so I couldn't imagine

1328
01:06:30,440 --> 01:06:32,440
Speaker 3: dude negatives with a windshewl like hunting.

1329
01:06:32,840 --> 01:06:35,800
Speaker 2: It's it sucks. I mean, we we had I know,

1330
01:06:35,880 --> 01:06:38,000
Speaker 2: we kind of veered way off course here, but I

1331
01:06:38,120 --> 01:06:41,240
Speaker 2: went out a couple of years ago with buddies of

1332
01:06:41,320 --> 01:06:43,920
Speaker 2: mine and we in Minnesota, we can start at nine

1333
01:06:43,920 --> 01:06:46,520
Speaker 2: o'clock in the morning for pheasants, nine o'clock till sunset,

1334
01:06:47,760 --> 01:06:49,640
Speaker 2: so we're kind of at the truck whatever, and it's cold,

1335
01:06:49,720 --> 01:06:53,280
Speaker 2: I mean cold, cold, blowziero all day. But you know,

1336
01:06:53,480 --> 01:06:55,200
Speaker 2: in those conditions, those birds are going to be in

1337
01:06:55,240 --> 01:06:57,680
Speaker 2: the best geo thermal cover, which is usually the cattails,

1338
01:06:57,960 --> 01:07:01,000
Speaker 2: like they're they're in preservation mode. So we go down

1339
01:07:01,040 --> 01:07:04,280
Speaker 2: and there's a stream through this slew that we always

1340
01:07:04,320 --> 01:07:06,520
Speaker 2: cross and get into the thick stuff and get where

1341
01:07:06,600 --> 01:07:09,480
Speaker 2: a lot of people won't go. We go to cross

1342
01:07:09,560 --> 01:07:12,880
Speaker 2: this stream and my dog, one of my dogs, jumps

1343
01:07:12,920 --> 01:07:15,120
Speaker 2: up ahead of me and breaks through. So the ice

1344
01:07:15,200 --> 01:07:18,240
Speaker 2: cracks and my right foot goes in. Nothing, you know,

1345
01:07:18,320 --> 01:07:21,480
Speaker 2: no big deal. We get wet almost every time we

1346
01:07:21,560 --> 01:07:24,280
Speaker 2: fazen haunts, so it's like whatever. But it was it

1347
01:07:24,440 --> 01:07:26,400
Speaker 2: was crazy cold, and I didn't think about it. So

1348
01:07:26,800 --> 01:07:31,560
Speaker 2: I started the day with a frozen boot and by

1349
01:07:31,600 --> 01:07:33,640
Speaker 2: the time we got to the cat or sorry, by

1350
01:07:33,680 --> 01:07:35,520
Speaker 2: the time we got through those cat tails and haunted

1351
01:07:36,120 --> 01:07:38,280
Speaker 2: and ended the day, which is, you know, eight hours

1352
01:07:38,360 --> 01:07:41,000
Speaker 2: later or whatever. Seven and a half hours later, we

1353
01:07:41,120 --> 01:07:44,160
Speaker 2: go to the hotel and I take off my boots,

1354
01:07:44,200 --> 01:07:46,000
Speaker 2: you know, and you're just beat up from hunting all day.

1355
01:07:46,040 --> 01:07:47,880
Speaker 2: And I look at my toe and it's like black,

1356
01:07:48,680 --> 01:07:51,200
Speaker 2: and I'm like, oh shit. And so I texted my

1357
01:07:51,320 --> 01:07:53,479
Speaker 2: wife and she's like, I don't know, just like watch

1358
01:07:53,560 --> 01:07:57,800
Speaker 2: it and dude, that my toenail fell off. I mean,

1359
01:07:57,840 --> 01:08:01,000
Speaker 2: it was like it was like a It wasn't like

1360
01:08:01,120 --> 01:08:03,880
Speaker 2: a bad injury, but it was just a straight pain

1361
01:08:03,960 --> 01:08:06,760
Speaker 2: in the ass for months. Yeah, just over just just

1362
01:08:06,880 --> 01:08:11,440
Speaker 2: because it's you mix water and super cold temperatures and

1363
01:08:11,560 --> 01:08:12,800
Speaker 2: it's freaking dangerous.

1364
01:08:13,200 --> 01:08:13,439
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1365
01:08:13,640 --> 01:08:19,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like uh yeah, extreme cold, extreme heat. Like

1366
01:08:19,320 --> 01:08:23,719
Speaker 3: I'll last year and it was like it was hot

1367
01:08:24,240 --> 01:08:26,880
Speaker 3: like the first week of the season. I'm just like you,

1368
01:08:27,360 --> 01:08:30,439
Speaker 3: I'm questioning what I'm doing out here because it's like

1369
01:08:30,920 --> 01:08:32,920
Speaker 3: it's so hot, Like I'm having a hard time breathing.

1370
01:08:33,000 --> 01:08:37,000
Speaker 4: It's like get to the trades, like I'm honting in

1371
01:08:37,080 --> 01:08:38,080
Speaker 4: some pine and so it's.

1372
01:08:37,960 --> 01:08:39,640
Speaker 3: Like there's not a lot of cover. It's just like

1373
01:08:39,760 --> 01:08:41,240
Speaker 3: it's a far wall to get right, and you know,

1374
01:08:41,320 --> 01:08:44,800
Speaker 3: I'm like I can't breathe. I'm like, I'm just going through,

1375
01:08:45,040 --> 01:08:46,960
Speaker 3: like I carry a lot of water. I'm got down

1376
01:08:47,000 --> 01:08:48,560
Speaker 3: the water in the early season. It's like I'm just

1377
01:08:48,760 --> 01:08:51,200
Speaker 3: just chugging it. I'm like, I'm not gonna have any

1378
01:08:51,280 --> 01:08:53,080
Speaker 3: water left for the rest of the day. It's like

1379
01:08:53,120 --> 01:08:54,840
Speaker 3: I get to the tree, climb up and it's just

1380
01:08:54,960 --> 01:08:57,600
Speaker 3: like oil and go and sweating. I'm like, it's like

1381
01:08:57,640 --> 01:09:01,040
Speaker 3: I'm leaking oil. All that were I didn't see nothing

1382
01:09:01,280 --> 01:09:03,519
Speaker 3: like walking out so humid, the walking, I was like,

1383
01:09:03,600 --> 01:09:05,360
Speaker 3: what am I even doing out here? It's like I

1384
01:09:05,360 --> 01:09:08,439
Speaker 3: should have hunting water, Like, oh, that's fun, that's I'm

1385
01:09:08,479 --> 01:09:11,400
Speaker 3: gonna hunt this clear cut, this clear cut that the

1386
01:09:11,439 --> 01:09:12,840
Speaker 3: state you know, cleaned up for what.

1387
01:09:13,080 --> 01:09:15,320
Speaker 4: Man, is that hot? You need to be water. It's

1388
01:09:15,360 --> 01:09:18,000
Speaker 4: like water. I would have felt better in the water.

1389
01:09:18,120 --> 01:09:20,400
Speaker 4: So I'm like, I have one of the little emergency straws.

1390
01:09:20,439 --> 01:09:22,479
Speaker 3: I'm like, I couldn't drink cut a mup puddle it

1391
01:09:22,560 --> 01:09:25,280
Speaker 3: was so hot, you know, little stake it was like

1392
01:09:25,520 --> 01:09:27,640
Speaker 3: just to moralize, like why am I even going out there?

1393
01:09:27,720 --> 01:09:30,200
Speaker 4: Like it's like antelope punting for like and not seeing

1394
01:09:30,200 --> 01:09:31,639
Speaker 4: any and it was brutile.

1395
01:09:32,160 --> 01:09:35,479
Speaker 2: Dude. I I know that I know that I'm probably

1396
01:09:35,520 --> 01:09:39,040
Speaker 2: in like the way minority here, but I love hot

1397
01:09:39,120 --> 01:09:43,519
Speaker 2: weather for white tails. I could just it's not fun.

1398
01:09:44,320 --> 01:09:45,800
Speaker 2: It's not fun, you know the same thing that the

1399
01:09:45,880 --> 01:09:48,439
Speaker 2: last elk I killed a couple of years ago. It

1400
01:09:48,560 --> 01:09:50,800
Speaker 2: wasn't fun at all. But I'm hunting water holes and

1401
01:09:50,920 --> 01:09:55,120
Speaker 2: it was it was hot, and I'm like, you just

1402
01:09:55,479 --> 01:09:59,040
Speaker 2: know something's coming in and you know people aren't going

1403
01:09:59,120 --> 01:10:01,760
Speaker 2: to be out there. And that's like if you, for

1404
01:10:01,960 --> 01:10:03,960
Speaker 2: my if I had to draw up like a perfect

1405
01:10:03,960 --> 01:10:08,640
Speaker 2: scenario for public land hunting, it's gonna be way like

1406
01:10:09,000 --> 01:10:13,479
Speaker 2: unseasonably hot, you know, eighties, nineties whatever, and I have

1407
01:10:13,680 --> 01:10:16,479
Speaker 2: a water pattern to work. That's my dream, dude, because

1408
01:10:16,560 --> 01:10:18,639
Speaker 2: you know, I mean, it's like you said, it sucks,

1409
01:10:18,800 --> 01:10:21,960
Speaker 2: like it's not fun. But when you're like positioned over

1410
01:10:22,000 --> 01:10:23,840
Speaker 2: a water hole and you know people aren't going to

1411
01:10:23,880 --> 01:10:25,960
Speaker 2: be out because very few people are going to haunt that,

1412
01:10:26,560 --> 01:10:28,439
Speaker 2: and you know those deer are going to come in.

1413
01:10:28,760 --> 01:10:32,160
Speaker 2: They're just gonna come in like, I love that shit. Man.

1414
01:10:32,280 --> 01:10:33,879
Speaker 4: Yeah, if you got like said.

1415
01:10:34,120 --> 01:10:36,360
Speaker 3: Some spots, there's so much swamps, so I made like water.

1416
01:10:36,439 --> 01:10:39,240
Speaker 3: It can be tough in the early season, right, there's

1417
01:10:39,280 --> 01:10:41,479
Speaker 3: just water everywhere. So it's like but if you get

1418
01:10:41,600 --> 01:10:44,400
Speaker 3: links to this water hole, that's like, okay, there's there's

1419
01:10:44,439 --> 01:10:47,880
Speaker 3: a pond, an irrigate, some pond, there's some bean, some

1420
01:10:48,000 --> 01:10:48,719
Speaker 3: standing corn.

1421
01:10:49,640 --> 01:10:51,439
Speaker 4: If you can get in and out three days in

1422
01:10:51,439 --> 01:10:53,160
Speaker 4: a row, you're probably going to see a good.

1423
01:10:53,120 --> 01:10:55,439
Speaker 3: Mouth because they had to, right, you know. It's just like,

1424
01:10:55,680 --> 01:10:58,160
Speaker 3: well you have to be there three days in a row,

1425
01:10:58,280 --> 01:10:59,439
Speaker 3: you're not going to get it. You're not going to

1426
01:10:59,439 --> 01:11:02,120
Speaker 3: add success, at least for me personally, I would It

1427
01:11:02,120 --> 01:11:05,920
Speaker 3: would take me three days of the same wind, you know,

1428
01:11:06,320 --> 01:11:07,760
Speaker 3: hunt the same little hole.

1429
01:11:07,960 --> 01:11:09,720
Speaker 4: Your you're definitely gonna kill for sure.

1430
01:11:10,200 --> 01:11:14,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, And it's just it's it's so simple, but you

1431
01:11:14,920 --> 01:11:16,720
Speaker 2: have to get past the idea that you're going to

1432
01:11:16,760 --> 01:11:19,320
Speaker 2: be really uncomfortable. I mean, the one thing I will

1433
01:11:19,400 --> 01:11:22,120
Speaker 2: say on that is I have kind of like you

1434
01:11:22,200 --> 01:11:25,360
Speaker 2: said about hunting really really cold weather. I'm not I'm

1435
01:11:25,400 --> 01:11:27,200
Speaker 2: not huge into being out there and free. If I'm

1436
01:11:27,200 --> 01:11:28,479
Speaker 2: going to go freeze my ass off, I want to

1437
01:11:28,479 --> 01:11:29,920
Speaker 2: shoot some pheasants, like I don't want to sit at

1438
01:11:29,960 --> 01:11:34,280
Speaker 2: the tree stand anymore. Yeah around right, But also that

1439
01:11:34,640 --> 01:11:37,280
Speaker 2: super hot stuff. I love hunting it. But if I'm

1440
01:11:37,280 --> 01:11:40,360
Speaker 2: in a situation where I'm like camping somewhere, you know,

1441
01:11:40,479 --> 01:11:43,920
Speaker 2: like over the road, that is not that appealing to

1442
01:11:44,000 --> 01:11:45,920
Speaker 2: me anymore because I have spent a lot of time

1443
01:11:46,040 --> 01:11:49,479
Speaker 2: in tents that were like eighty degrees overnight. Yeah, brutal.

1444
01:11:50,439 --> 01:11:50,639
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1445
01:11:50,720 --> 01:11:54,360
Speaker 3: I just I bought a pop up last year for

1446
01:11:54,520 --> 01:11:57,599
Speaker 3: a family, but I use it twice. An it was nice.

1447
01:11:57,640 --> 01:12:00,479
Speaker 3: I'm like, put the little rooftop and strong. I'm like,

1448
01:12:01,400 --> 01:12:04,960
Speaker 3: it doesn't it makes it bearable, like you can sleep.

1449
01:12:05,000 --> 01:12:06,439
Speaker 4: But you're like, okay, I can get down with it.

1450
01:12:06,560 --> 01:12:07,599
Speaker 4: You know, you're not going to freeze.

1451
01:12:07,640 --> 01:12:10,000
Speaker 3: You're still sweating. But it's like, all right, Humitte is

1452
01:12:10,040 --> 01:12:12,040
Speaker 3: going a little bit, you know. It's like it's nice.

1453
01:12:12,360 --> 01:12:14,160
Speaker 3: It's definitely nice, dude.

1454
01:12:14,200 --> 01:12:18,920
Speaker 2: Being able to sleep on those hunts game changer. I mean,

1455
01:12:18,960 --> 01:12:21,560
Speaker 2: you you execute your plans so much better. You're not

1456
01:12:21,640 --> 01:12:25,080
Speaker 2: going to talk yourself into going home early. That's a

1457
01:12:25,120 --> 01:12:25,599
Speaker 2: big deal.

1458
01:12:26,120 --> 01:12:26,280
Speaker 3: Uh.

1459
01:12:26,880 --> 01:12:31,640
Speaker 2: After so after you go through your injury, how like

1460
01:12:31,920 --> 01:12:35,479
Speaker 2: dedicated to tree stands safety? Do you get Are you

1461
01:12:35,640 --> 01:12:38,400
Speaker 2: like pretty pretty rigid? Are you still kind of like.

1462
01:12:39,360 --> 01:12:44,000
Speaker 6: Well, sometimes I'll I'll put a step up and I'll

1463
01:12:44,080 --> 01:12:48,960
Speaker 6: catch myself thinking it's like, you know, I still like

1464
01:12:49,080 --> 01:12:51,880
Speaker 6: find myself, you know, like eating with the linemans, I

1465
01:12:51,960 --> 01:12:53,639
Speaker 6: still wrap my leg around the tree.

1466
01:12:54,040 --> 01:12:55,760
Speaker 3: And put around free like and did without. It's like

1467
01:12:55,960 --> 01:12:58,160
Speaker 3: it's just like that third points of contact. Because alignments,

1468
01:12:58,360 --> 01:13:00,640
Speaker 3: it's not an end all deal. You'll still fall linements, right,

1469
01:13:00,720 --> 01:13:03,360
Speaker 3: It's not that you're not so say, I still find

1470
01:13:03,400 --> 01:13:06,240
Speaker 3: myself using my leg wrapping around the tree s in

1471
01:13:06,280 --> 01:13:06,719
Speaker 3: the next.

1472
01:13:06,600 --> 01:13:09,280
Speaker 4: Step, you know, but it's it's just to add a

1473
01:13:09,360 --> 01:13:10,479
Speaker 4: peace of mind, you know.

1474
01:13:10,560 --> 01:13:13,280
Speaker 3: And the one thing with the linements, a lot of

1475
01:13:13,360 --> 01:13:16,760
Speaker 3: people don't lean into linements, and that's where you're going

1476
01:13:16,800 --> 01:13:21,080
Speaker 3: to have your problems because they're designed for tension.

1477
01:13:21,360 --> 01:13:22,519
Speaker 4: Right, it's not going to stop you.

1478
01:13:22,640 --> 01:13:24,439
Speaker 3: If you don't have tension on it, you're gonna fall

1479
01:13:24,920 --> 01:13:27,639
Speaker 3: and you're going to hit every stick and they're strolling

1480
01:13:27,680 --> 01:13:31,360
Speaker 3: step you put it right, right, and it's super.

1481
01:13:31,160 --> 01:13:36,200
Speaker 4: Windy, I'll girth hitch my alignments. You I'll put attachment

1482
01:13:36,240 --> 01:13:39,280
Speaker 4: to my bridge and I'll girthitch it. You know. If

1483
01:13:39,320 --> 01:13:42,120
Speaker 4: it's really windy or rating. I find myself girth hitching

1484
01:13:42,240 --> 01:13:43,200
Speaker 4: going up and down the tree.

1485
01:13:43,720 --> 01:13:46,839
Speaker 3: It's kind of paining to ask, but you know, outside

1486
01:13:46,840 --> 01:13:48,760
Speaker 3: of repelling, it's probably the best thing you got going,

1487
01:13:49,000 --> 01:13:49,160
Speaker 3: you know.

1488
01:13:49,600 --> 01:13:49,680
Speaker 4: Ye.

1489
01:13:50,439 --> 01:13:53,519
Speaker 2: Well yeah, and I mean you've got the lifeline option too,

1490
01:13:55,000 --> 01:13:58,240
Speaker 2: which is something that I'm just I don't know, I'm

1491
01:13:58,439 --> 01:13:59,879
Speaker 2: I'm pretty freaking religious.

1492
01:14:00,000 --> 01:14:03,479
Speaker 4: Well, yeah, you know, my daughter, she hunts. She used

1493
01:14:03,520 --> 01:14:03,600
Speaker 4: to go.

1494
01:14:03,920 --> 01:14:07,240
Speaker 3: She always even she just turned six, ten years old,

1495
01:14:07,280 --> 01:14:10,599
Speaker 3: you can legally hunt in New Jersey, so she's working

1496
01:14:10,680 --> 01:14:11,080
Speaker 3: towards that.

1497
01:14:11,360 --> 01:14:14,160
Speaker 4: And uh, I know I'll have to have those things

1498
01:14:14,200 --> 01:14:15,040
Speaker 4: for her lifelines.

1499
01:14:15,080 --> 01:14:16,920
Speaker 3: But I have her in the saddle like she's used

1500
01:14:16,960 --> 01:14:19,400
Speaker 3: to being up six feet in the air, Like she

1501
01:14:19,640 --> 01:14:22,920
Speaker 3: used to understand alignments and like the tethers put the

1502
01:14:22,960 --> 01:14:25,200
Speaker 3: saddle getting up in there. So by the time she

1503
01:14:25,320 --> 01:14:30,960
Speaker 3: gets to hunting, aids like my dad first first morning

1504
01:14:31,040 --> 01:14:33,800
Speaker 3: we sat in the ground, first evening we hunted, sat

1505
01:14:33,840 --> 01:14:36,160
Speaker 3: in the ground. And next time he's like, others are

1506
01:14:36,160 --> 01:14:39,240
Speaker 3: trees and every it's a wooden tree stand somebody made,

1507
01:14:39,360 --> 01:14:42,800
Speaker 3: like back in the day because there was no portables,

1508
01:14:43,000 --> 01:14:45,240
Speaker 3: you know, you had a baker tree stand or a

1509
01:14:45,360 --> 01:14:48,040
Speaker 3: giant climber or you built, wouldn't stands.

1510
01:14:48,439 --> 01:14:49,880
Speaker 4: I remember him just like just.

1511
01:14:49,920 --> 01:14:52,400
Speaker 3: Climb up there, just like here, step on my my

1512
01:14:52,800 --> 01:14:56,439
Speaker 3: mind and lift me up into this tree stand that

1513
01:14:56,600 --> 01:14:57,720
Speaker 3: don't know if it's safe for anything.

1514
01:14:57,760 --> 01:14:59,559
Speaker 4: He goes, I'll be back later, and.

1515
01:14:59,600 --> 01:15:03,000
Speaker 3: I was like later, like what, I'm like eight ten

1516
01:15:03,040 --> 01:15:04,680
Speaker 3: feet from the ground. So I remember sitting in these

1517
01:15:04,720 --> 01:15:08,320
Speaker 3: spots all day and my dad worked shipworks. He probably

1518
01:15:08,360 --> 01:15:10,559
Speaker 3: went somewhere and fell asleep right waking up and come

1519
01:15:10,600 --> 01:15:14,120
Speaker 3: back and go see things Like No, I was like afraid.

1520
01:15:13,840 --> 01:15:14,200
Speaker 2: To get down.

1521
01:15:14,200 --> 01:15:16,479
Speaker 4: You should have got down. I'm like eight feet off

1522
01:15:16,520 --> 01:15:18,400
Speaker 4: the ground, like I got my bet, no haul line,

1523
01:15:18,520 --> 01:15:22,519
Speaker 4: like no, nothing. But it's like times have changed, you know.

1524
01:15:22,720 --> 01:15:26,439
Speaker 3: Like my dad with a put a, he'll put like

1525
01:15:26,520 --> 01:15:30,040
Speaker 3: a climber up in the tree with limbs, just used

1526
01:15:30,080 --> 01:15:32,240
Speaker 3: the limbs to go up. He had this one tree

1527
01:15:32,320 --> 01:15:34,400
Speaker 3: called the sitting tree. It was just limbs all the

1528
01:15:34,439 --> 01:15:37,320
Speaker 3: way up and you just sat on the limb. Always

1529
01:15:37,320 --> 01:15:39,519
Speaker 3: see deer there, but you couldn't shoot out with a

1530
01:15:39,560 --> 01:15:41,280
Speaker 3: belle because it's too many damn limbs.

1531
01:15:41,479 --> 01:15:43,360
Speaker 4: So you climb up there, You're like you'll see there,

1532
01:15:43,400 --> 01:15:45,200
Speaker 4: and you're like, well, I can't I'm doing it. It's

1533
01:15:45,520 --> 01:15:49,840
Speaker 4: a gun tree, you know. Yeah, basically I was like, yeah, it'

1534
01:15:49,880 --> 01:15:53,920
Speaker 4: thirty come by shoot one pound shooting this, but I'll

1535
01:15:53,960 --> 01:15:55,040
Speaker 4: fall into my death, you know.

1536
01:15:55,280 --> 01:15:59,600
Speaker 3: But it's like it's times have changed significantly with that,

1537
01:16:00,240 --> 01:16:04,120
Speaker 3: and it's like I tell people you've been around, like

1538
01:16:04,160 --> 01:16:05,080
Speaker 3: the Baker tree stands.

1539
01:16:05,120 --> 01:16:10,639
Speaker 4: That's my first climber at death Trap, that that one makers. Yeah. God,

1540
01:16:10,720 --> 01:16:12,840
Speaker 4: I remember climbing up and just going I'm good and

1541
01:16:12,920 --> 01:16:15,760
Speaker 4: just gone all the way down. You're like all on

1542
01:16:15,800 --> 01:16:19,000
Speaker 4: the trade and you're like, what's just happened? You don't

1543
01:16:19,000 --> 01:16:21,200
Speaker 4: even know. It's dark, it's noisy. But it's like what

1544
01:16:21,360 --> 01:16:24,880
Speaker 4: we have now is like it's definitely a lot better. Dude.

1545
01:16:25,240 --> 01:16:28,559
Speaker 2: We people if you if you're just starting out now,

1546
01:16:28,600 --> 01:16:31,920
Speaker 2: you have no idea. I mean, we did all that shit.

1547
01:16:32,000 --> 01:16:35,439
Speaker 2: The widow Maker freaking wooden tree stands have been up

1548
01:16:35,520 --> 01:16:42,240
Speaker 2: since the forties, like those those original uh climbing stands.

1549
01:16:42,720 --> 01:16:45,280
Speaker 2: You know, we used to tie. I can remember like

1550
01:16:45,320 --> 01:16:46,960
Speaker 2: one of the first times I used one of them,

1551
01:16:47,439 --> 01:16:49,479
Speaker 2: you know, you tie. We tied a rope between the

1552
01:16:49,560 --> 01:16:51,960
Speaker 2: top and the bottom, like hey, you can't fall, but

1553
01:16:52,160 --> 01:16:54,640
Speaker 2: I had tied like a six foot rope between them,

1554
01:16:54,640 --> 01:16:57,720
Speaker 2: and I was like fifteen, you know. So you get

1555
01:16:57,800 --> 01:17:00,320
Speaker 2: up there and it's not you know, now, if you

1556
01:17:00,439 --> 01:17:02,200
Speaker 2: use a climber, which not very many people do, but

1557
01:17:02,240 --> 01:17:04,880
Speaker 2: there's a there's a strap on each side, so a

1558
01:17:05,000 --> 01:17:08,320
Speaker 2: falls level, you haul that some bitch back up to

1559
01:17:08,439 --> 01:17:11,120
Speaker 2: your feet. But back then you're like, Okay, now it's

1560
01:17:11,280 --> 01:17:14,560
Speaker 2: all cock eyed, hanging crooked, and it's six feet below me,

1561
01:17:15,200 --> 01:17:18,200
Speaker 2: and you're like just dumb, you know, like I mean,

1562
01:17:18,240 --> 01:17:21,559
Speaker 2: we got we got really lucky, you know what i mean.

1563
01:17:21,680 --> 01:17:23,600
Speaker 2: Obviously you probably just weren't hearing about a lot of

1564
01:17:23,640 --> 01:17:26,479
Speaker 2: the falls and stuff back then. But the stuff that

1565
01:17:26,560 --> 01:17:29,040
Speaker 2: we have now is just you know, if you're not

1566
01:17:29,240 --> 01:17:31,920
Speaker 2: using if your saddle hunting is different, like you said,

1567
01:17:31,920 --> 01:17:35,320
Speaker 2: because that's that whole system is just safe. Like it's

1568
01:17:35,360 --> 01:17:36,680
Speaker 2: just if you if you know how to use it

1569
01:17:36,680 --> 01:17:38,880
Speaker 2: and you're comfortable with it, man, it's it's great. But

1570
01:17:39,080 --> 01:17:42,400
Speaker 2: you also have the six point safety harnesses now, and

1571
01:17:42,520 --> 01:17:44,439
Speaker 2: you know, people will say, like I can remember for

1572
01:17:44,520 --> 01:17:45,840
Speaker 2: a long time, people are like, oh, it's going to

1573
01:17:45,880 --> 01:17:48,400
Speaker 2: get in the way of my bowshot, or I don't

1574
01:17:48,439 --> 01:17:50,600
Speaker 2: like a big bulky vest, and I'm like man, you

1575
01:17:50,640 --> 01:17:53,360
Speaker 2: can get these things that are like two pounds, you know,

1576
01:17:53,560 --> 01:17:56,519
Speaker 2: under a jacket whatever, you got the lineman's belt. And

1577
01:17:56,720 --> 01:17:58,640
Speaker 2: you know you've said this several times and it's it's

1578
01:17:58,680 --> 01:18:03,479
Speaker 2: worth repeating. If you use one of those, the proper

1579
01:18:03,560 --> 01:18:05,800
Speaker 2: way to use it if you're not comfortable with it, like,

1580
01:18:06,080 --> 01:18:08,880
Speaker 2: is to lean back, so that point of contact there

1581
01:18:09,000 --> 01:18:11,720
Speaker 2: is that is the tension with you leaning back and

1582
01:18:11,880 --> 01:18:14,719
Speaker 2: using it like you would on a saddle. And once

1583
01:18:14,800 --> 01:18:17,960
Speaker 2: you get comfortable with that, like your hands free, it's

1584
01:18:18,080 --> 01:18:20,160
Speaker 2: a it's a game changer. But if you're not comfortable

1585
01:18:20,200 --> 01:18:22,479
Speaker 2: with it, like people are too confident, like you were,

1586
01:18:22,560 --> 01:18:26,200
Speaker 2: getting in trouble. People who aren't confident enough, they can

1587
01:18:26,240 --> 01:18:29,040
Speaker 2: get into trouble. And then you've got the lifeline situation.

1588
01:18:29,400 --> 01:18:32,680
Speaker 2: And man, I you know, you get pretty conditioned. My

1589
01:18:32,760 --> 01:18:36,599
Speaker 2: daughters are older than yours, you know, but you get

1590
01:18:36,800 --> 01:18:39,920
Speaker 2: pretty conditioned to the entire process, like you're hooked up,

1591
01:18:40,000 --> 01:18:42,639
Speaker 2: start to finish anybody going with you. And that's that's

1592
01:18:42,720 --> 01:18:45,720
Speaker 2: one thing. When you take camera guys with you who

1593
01:18:46,439 --> 01:18:49,680
Speaker 2: have no dude, no experience climbing trees, never been in

1594
01:18:49,720 --> 01:18:52,040
Speaker 2: a white tail stand, you start thinking through that stuff

1595
01:18:52,040 --> 01:18:55,000
Speaker 2: because you're like these guys have fifty pounds of shit

1596
01:18:55,040 --> 01:18:57,439
Speaker 2: on their back. They're going up in the dark in

1597
01:18:57,479 --> 01:18:58,599
Speaker 2: a place they've never seen.

1598
01:18:58,720 --> 01:18:58,840
Speaker 4: You know.

1599
01:18:59,000 --> 01:19:01,040
Speaker 2: Sometimes you know, I'm I'm like six too, so I

1600
01:19:01,240 --> 01:19:05,040
Speaker 2: I tend to default and put my my sticks pretty

1601
01:19:05,040 --> 01:19:07,840
Speaker 2: far apart, and you have to think, like you can't

1602
01:19:07,920 --> 01:19:10,200
Speaker 2: do that. You know, you're not setting up for you anymore.

1603
01:19:10,560 --> 01:19:12,360
Speaker 2: But it really kind of is a crash course when

1604
01:19:12,360 --> 01:19:14,000
Speaker 2: you set up for somebody else and you're like, I

1605
01:19:14,200 --> 01:19:17,280
Speaker 2: don't want that person to fall. Kind of just teaches you,

1606
01:19:17,439 --> 01:19:19,679
Speaker 2: like here's the process. Like you don't get to say,

1607
01:19:19,760 --> 01:19:21,479
Speaker 2: like I'm pretty comfortable and I do this or I

1608
01:19:21,560 --> 01:19:23,639
Speaker 2: do that, Like it's like I gotta.

1609
01:19:23,720 --> 01:19:26,120
Speaker 4: Want go ahead.

1610
01:19:27,360 --> 01:19:29,799
Speaker 3: One thing I do like with the full body harness,

1611
01:19:29,840 --> 01:19:33,440
Speaker 3: because we see it at work. People put it on incorrectly.

1612
01:19:34,200 --> 01:19:36,280
Speaker 3: It's so loose that like I see it in the woods,

1613
01:19:36,479 --> 01:19:38,080
Speaker 3: I see it work, and I'm like, you guys have

1614
01:19:38,240 --> 01:19:42,000
Speaker 3: no idea, like from a guy that falls, like I

1615
01:19:42,080 --> 01:19:44,960
Speaker 3: had not the ground stopped me. But I've I've been

1616
01:19:45,360 --> 01:19:48,920
Speaker 3: you know, I've tested harnesses. I've jumped off tenors just

1617
01:19:49,040 --> 01:19:51,759
Speaker 3: see how it feels. I'm like, if those cross straps

1618
01:19:52,280 --> 01:19:55,680
Speaker 3: aren't tight, like if you're your balls, isn't pushing through

1619
01:19:55,720 --> 01:19:58,160
Speaker 3: the center of that, Like you're gonna run.

1620
01:19:58,000 --> 01:19:58,720
Speaker 4: In some problems with that.

1621
01:19:58,760 --> 01:20:01,320
Speaker 3: And I see it all you see magazine pictures or

1622
01:20:01,560 --> 01:20:04,640
Speaker 3: like YouTube videos whatever. It's like half people have it

1623
01:20:04,720 --> 01:20:07,800
Speaker 3: all wrong, and like I krins, it's like you're you're

1624
01:20:07,800 --> 01:20:10,040
Speaker 3: probably doing more harm than good, Like you actually might

1625
01:20:10,080 --> 01:20:12,920
Speaker 3: be better hitting the ground because that, you know, you

1626
01:20:13,040 --> 01:20:13,599
Speaker 3: get those.

1627
01:20:13,439 --> 01:20:14,200
Speaker 4: Things pinched off.

1628
01:20:14,280 --> 01:20:16,760
Speaker 3: If you pinch off your your another reasons, they're like

1629
01:20:17,080 --> 01:20:19,840
Speaker 3: you can die from that, you know, like bluff float.

1630
01:20:20,080 --> 01:20:25,240
Speaker 3: Like so just because you're wearing safety equipment doesn't necessarily

1631
01:20:26,000 --> 01:20:29,600
Speaker 3: mean you're safe if it's not installed correctly, right, Like

1632
01:20:30,240 --> 01:20:33,240
Speaker 3: like your your lifelines. I see them all the time,

1633
01:20:33,280 --> 01:20:35,479
Speaker 3: the same dude to hunt this ladder Stami with the lifeline.

1634
01:20:35,720 --> 01:20:37,920
Speaker 3: It's been out there for forty years and never leaves.

1635
01:20:37,960 --> 01:20:40,599
Speaker 3: You're like, dude, it's not saving you. That's just going

1636
01:20:40,640 --> 01:20:44,120
Speaker 3: to bring you know, like it's three months, buy new

1637
01:20:44,160 --> 01:20:46,200
Speaker 3: one every year. If you can't buy new one every year,

1638
01:20:46,840 --> 01:20:48,680
Speaker 3: take it with you at the end of season, you know,

1639
01:20:48,880 --> 01:20:50,920
Speaker 3: like like I don't know, you can't leave.

1640
01:20:50,840 --> 01:20:51,519
Speaker 4: Them up your round.

1641
01:20:51,800 --> 01:20:53,160
Speaker 2: Well that's that's what I was going to say, when

1642
01:20:53,200 --> 01:20:55,760
Speaker 2: you were saying that the other fella I tried to

1643
01:20:55,800 --> 01:20:58,160
Speaker 2: get on for this, you know he did had the

1644
01:20:58,200 --> 01:21:01,240
Speaker 2: classic left his tree stand up, stepped on the and

1645
01:21:01,560 --> 01:21:04,960
Speaker 2: the platform gave out trapped door open. And that's that's

1646
01:21:05,000 --> 01:21:07,880
Speaker 2: something you I still hear people say this all the time, like, oh,

1647
01:21:07,920 --> 01:21:11,840
Speaker 2: I changed my ratchet straps. It's like that's great, you know,

1648
01:21:12,080 --> 01:21:14,639
Speaker 2: like that's great. But you you can tell a ratchet

1649
01:21:14,720 --> 01:21:17,240
Speaker 2: strap when it's wearing out right and you look at

1650
01:21:17,240 --> 01:21:19,240
Speaker 2: it and people, oh, you squirrels two on it. I'm like,

1651
01:21:19,320 --> 01:21:22,320
Speaker 2: I've never seen that. I'm sure it happens, but I've

1652
01:21:22,400 --> 01:21:25,160
Speaker 2: never seen either, right, never, But you know, I mean

1653
01:21:25,200 --> 01:21:28,280
Speaker 2: a tree gets real tight whatever. Yeah, that's it's a

1654
01:21:28,560 --> 01:21:31,400
Speaker 2: it's a thing that you should pay attention to. But

1655
01:21:31,600 --> 01:21:34,960
Speaker 2: what we saw for a long time that you know,

1656
01:21:35,080 --> 01:21:36,640
Speaker 2: some of the tree stand companies that used to be

1657
01:21:36,720 --> 01:21:39,600
Speaker 2: really popular don't exist anymore, or they've been reinvented to

1658
01:21:39,720 --> 01:21:43,759
Speaker 2: new you know, bought out new companies whatever, is because

1659
01:21:44,000 --> 01:21:47,160
Speaker 2: there were failure points like with the cables between the

1660
01:21:47,520 --> 01:21:50,519
Speaker 2: seat stem and the platform, where if you left them

1661
01:21:50,640 --> 01:21:53,439
Speaker 2: up longer than a season and that water got in there,

1662
01:21:53,479 --> 01:21:56,560
Speaker 2: you might rust out some metal component in there that

1663
01:21:56,640 --> 01:21:58,240
Speaker 2: you have. You're not You're never going to do a

1664
01:21:58,360 --> 01:22:01,240
Speaker 2: visual inspection and be like there's the failure point. But

1665
01:22:01,400 --> 01:22:05,040
Speaker 2: you put two hundred pounds on there and all of

1666
01:22:05,080 --> 01:22:06,320
Speaker 2: a sudden you find it.

1667
01:22:07,000 --> 01:22:08,800
Speaker 4: Yeah, and it's a fifty dollars stand. People like, oh,

1668
01:22:08,800 --> 01:22:09,759
Speaker 4: I got ten hangos.

1669
01:22:09,840 --> 01:22:13,040
Speaker 3: They're forty dollars stands, And it's like I have a

1670
01:22:13,120 --> 01:22:16,360
Speaker 3: few of them, but I wouldn't hunt out of them

1671
01:22:16,360 --> 01:22:18,920
Speaker 3: all the time, right, No way, you know, like I

1672
01:22:19,680 --> 01:22:21,760
Speaker 3: can afford hundred dollars at least one hundred dollars stand

1673
01:22:21,840 --> 01:22:23,479
Speaker 3: you know, like just spend the extra. You're gonna get

1674
01:22:23,479 --> 01:22:26,320
Speaker 3: some better material and don't leave it out and get around. Yeah,

1675
01:22:26,320 --> 01:22:28,519
Speaker 3: I mean it's like I can't.

1676
01:22:29,320 --> 01:22:33,000
Speaker 4: I mean because Jersey there's a stands ladders.

1677
01:22:33,240 --> 01:22:35,280
Speaker 3: It's who are like Della burn They make you take

1678
01:22:35,320 --> 01:22:39,000
Speaker 3: your stands out for the most part, you know, and

1679
01:22:39,280 --> 01:22:42,800
Speaker 3: uh so it's it's kind of nice states that make

1680
01:22:42,840 --> 01:22:44,160
Speaker 3: you remove stands the end of the season.

1681
01:22:44,200 --> 01:22:46,519
Speaker 4: New Jersey it's free for all. Yeah, you know, it's

1682
01:22:46,520 --> 01:22:47,280
Speaker 4: just stands everywhere.

1683
01:22:47,280 --> 01:22:49,640
Speaker 3: And you're like, and you see the old ones with

1684
01:22:49,720 --> 01:22:52,840
Speaker 3: their chains, you know, like my body he hunts all

1685
01:22:52,960 --> 01:22:57,400
Speaker 3: his permanent sets have chains and the season pull loosen

1686
01:22:57,439 --> 01:23:00,760
Speaker 3: them up, let the stand hang there, and then they'll

1687
01:23:00,960 --> 01:23:04,120
Speaker 3: reset them for the season. And because he don't like straps,

1688
01:23:04,439 --> 01:23:07,280
Speaker 3: you know, and he's on a rotation every two years,

1689
01:23:07,479 --> 01:23:09,680
Speaker 3: day comes down and put new gables on that he.

1690
01:23:09,720 --> 01:23:11,320
Speaker 4: Goes for a whole process.

1691
01:23:11,479 --> 01:23:13,720
Speaker 3: But he kills some good deer, but it's more of

1692
01:23:13,800 --> 01:23:16,439
Speaker 3: like a safety thing for him, right, peace of mind, right,

1693
01:23:16,800 --> 01:23:18,479
Speaker 3: which is most people don't.

1694
01:23:19,680 --> 01:23:21,880
Speaker 2: Well no, and I mean there's a there's a big

1695
01:23:21,960 --> 01:23:24,360
Speaker 2: misconception out there with a lot of people. And you

1696
01:23:24,439 --> 01:23:26,200
Speaker 2: see this in the gun in the in the gun

1697
01:23:26,280 --> 01:23:28,360
Speaker 2: hunting world, a lot is I'm going to use a

1698
01:23:28,439 --> 01:23:31,000
Speaker 2: ladder stand, so I don't need a lifeline. I'll just

1699
01:23:31,120 --> 01:23:33,160
Speaker 2: clip in when I get up there. It's like, if

1700
01:23:33,200 --> 01:23:36,479
Speaker 2: you look at the statistics man, the ladder stands are

1701
01:23:36,560 --> 01:23:41,120
Speaker 2: freaking dangerous. And it's because the ankle license. I'm a

1702
01:23:41,160 --> 01:23:44,080
Speaker 2: broken ankle from the ladder stand. Well, the thing that

1703
01:23:44,200 --> 01:23:46,479
Speaker 2: happens a lot, well not a lot, but it's it's

1704
01:23:46,520 --> 01:23:50,640
Speaker 2: a component of tree stand fatalities and bad injuries. Is

1705
01:23:50,960 --> 01:23:52,800
Speaker 2: you know, like day two a rifle season, you know,

1706
01:23:52,880 --> 01:23:55,920
Speaker 2: so you go to deer camp day one, playing poker,

1707
01:23:56,040 --> 01:23:59,080
Speaker 2: drinking whiskey whatever ever. You know, the uncles are all there.

1708
01:24:00,160 --> 01:24:03,599
Speaker 2: Day two, everybody's tired, a little hungover, and you fall

1709
01:24:03,680 --> 01:24:05,960
Speaker 2: asleep in that ladder stand and pitch out head first

1710
01:24:06,720 --> 01:24:10,679
Speaker 2: because it's real comfortable, and you know, like you don't

1711
01:24:10,680 --> 01:24:12,360
Speaker 2: think about that or like a lot of people don't

1712
01:24:12,360 --> 01:24:14,160
Speaker 2: think about that stuff. But if you're not connected, like

1713
01:24:14,240 --> 01:24:15,200
Speaker 2: gravity doesn't care.

1714
01:24:15,320 --> 01:24:18,640
Speaker 4: Man, No, undefeated, No.

1715
01:24:19,080 --> 01:24:22,680
Speaker 2: I mean, so much of this is it's just like

1716
01:24:23,080 --> 01:24:24,800
Speaker 2: in our head, like what we think is going to

1717
01:24:24,840 --> 01:24:27,120
Speaker 2: be okay, right, Like you think like, oh, I don't

1718
01:24:27,160 --> 01:24:28,759
Speaker 2: need to put my seat belt on, I'm just driving

1719
01:24:28,800 --> 01:24:31,559
Speaker 2: down the road to the gas station. Well you might

1720
01:24:31,600 --> 01:24:34,600
Speaker 2: be going sixty miles an hour in one section of that,

1721
01:24:35,280 --> 01:24:38,960
Speaker 2: you know, or thirty twenty whatever. But I mean, I'll

1722
01:24:38,960 --> 01:24:40,599
Speaker 2: tell you a little story before we wrap this up here.

1723
01:24:41,479 --> 01:24:44,040
Speaker 2: I went down to Nebraska with a buddy of mine,

1724
01:24:44,080 --> 01:24:47,920
Speaker 2: I think it was twenty fourteen, and we went in

1725
01:24:48,120 --> 01:24:52,479
Speaker 2: rut hunt people everywhere went up on this ridge. I

1726
01:24:52,600 --> 01:24:55,639
Speaker 2: killed a giant the first morning. He shot an eight pointer,

1727
01:24:56,160 --> 01:24:59,560
Speaker 2: and so we were like it's day one and we

1728
01:24:59,680 --> 01:25:01,240
Speaker 2: had small game takes. So we're like we're going to

1729
01:25:01,280 --> 01:25:04,320
Speaker 2: stick around hunt rabbits whatever, just like enjoy our time

1730
01:25:04,400 --> 01:25:07,479
Speaker 2: down there. After we get these deer butchered. So you know,

1731
01:25:07,600 --> 01:25:11,599
Speaker 2: I have this great big ten pointer hanging in camp

1732
01:25:11,840 --> 01:25:13,920
Speaker 2: and butchering it. Of course people see it, right because

1733
01:25:13,920 --> 01:25:17,240
Speaker 2: there's people coming and going like crazy. And this guy

1734
01:25:17,360 --> 01:25:19,240
Speaker 2: came in started talking to us, who was bull hunting

1735
01:25:19,240 --> 01:25:22,479
Speaker 2: the same property. You know, it's public, and you know,

1736
01:25:22,520 --> 01:25:23,840
Speaker 2: we kind of budied up with him, like you do

1737
01:25:23,920 --> 01:25:26,920
Speaker 2: because you're camping there, and you know, kind of make plans.

1738
01:25:26,920 --> 01:25:28,680
Speaker 2: All right, he's going back here, we won't go mass

1739
01:25:28,800 --> 01:25:29,080
Speaker 2: with him.

1740
01:25:29,120 --> 01:25:29,400
Speaker 4: Whatever.

1741
01:25:30,000 --> 01:25:32,040
Speaker 2: Well, start talking to this guy and I see he

1742
01:25:32,120 --> 01:25:35,240
Speaker 2: doesn't have a safety harness on, and he's he's walking

1743
01:25:35,680 --> 01:25:38,240
Speaker 2: that property. We were hunting as a section so you

1744
01:25:38,320 --> 01:25:39,759
Speaker 2: can get a mile away essentially.

1745
01:25:40,520 --> 01:25:40,880
Speaker 4: Yeah, and.

1746
01:25:42,520 --> 01:25:45,120
Speaker 2: Where he's telling me he's hunting, I know this area,

1747
01:25:45,640 --> 01:25:47,479
Speaker 2: and I you know, especially back then, I'm like, you

1748
01:25:47,520 --> 01:25:49,599
Speaker 2: don't have cell phone reception back there because you're way

1749
01:25:49,680 --> 01:25:52,240
Speaker 2: in the bottom of this valley. So I started talking

1750
01:25:52,240 --> 01:25:53,439
Speaker 2: to him about it. I was like, man, you know,

1751
01:25:53,960 --> 01:25:55,360
Speaker 2: are you not using a harness?

1752
01:25:55,720 --> 01:25:56,479
Speaker 4: Is it in your pack?

1753
01:25:57,160 --> 01:25:59,040
Speaker 2: And he goes, ah, you know, I don't. I don't

1754
01:25:59,120 --> 01:26:01,800
Speaker 2: wear those, you know, like he's like, man, and I

1755
01:26:01,880 --> 01:26:04,559
Speaker 2: fell out one time too. He said, I just went

1756
01:26:04,640 --> 01:26:08,000
Speaker 2: from being, you know, sitting in my tree stand to

1757
01:26:08,120 --> 01:26:10,840
Speaker 2: waking up cleaning the dirt and the leaves out of

1758
01:26:10,880 --> 01:26:14,960
Speaker 2: my mouth just hit the ground and we were so

1759
01:26:15,080 --> 01:26:16,640
Speaker 2: we were done deer hunting, and you know, I was

1760
01:26:16,680 --> 01:26:18,760
Speaker 2: working for Bowhunter magazine then, and I was like, I

1761
01:26:18,880 --> 01:26:22,639
Speaker 2: was like, listen, dude, I'll give you my harness. I'll

1762
01:26:22,720 --> 01:26:25,280
Speaker 2: give you you know, the tether, the whole thing. I

1763
01:26:25,360 --> 01:26:27,160
Speaker 2: was like, if you'll use it, i'll leave it with

1764
01:26:27,320 --> 01:26:30,479
Speaker 2: you and you can have it, like I have lots

1765
01:26:30,520 --> 01:26:33,519
Speaker 2: of them, because he's a nice guy. Whatever, So I

1766
01:26:33,640 --> 01:26:35,320
Speaker 2: left it or I gave it to him. He's like,

1767
01:26:35,360 --> 01:26:38,880
Speaker 2: oh man, this is awesome. And so we had hunted

1768
01:26:38,920 --> 01:26:40,960
Speaker 2: rabbits for a few days. Whatever, We're going home, and

1769
01:26:41,040 --> 01:26:45,000
Speaker 2: so we break down camp and his truck was parked

1770
01:26:45,000 --> 01:26:48,719
Speaker 2: in the parking area and I whatever, I don't remember

1771
01:26:48,760 --> 01:26:49,960
Speaker 2: what I was doing, go throw away a bag of

1772
01:26:50,000 --> 01:26:52,439
Speaker 2: garbage in the campground or something. But I looked in

1773
01:26:52,560 --> 01:26:55,560
Speaker 2: his truck in the cab and that safety harness was

1774
01:26:55,680 --> 01:26:57,639
Speaker 2: just sitting on the seat and he was out hunting,

1775
01:26:58,240 --> 01:26:59,680
Speaker 2: and I was like, dude.

1776
01:27:00,280 --> 01:27:03,120
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, I got that's scarce.

1777
01:27:03,400 --> 01:27:06,240
Speaker 3: Like, you know, my my dad's friend he worked with

1778
01:27:06,360 --> 01:27:09,360
Speaker 3: he felt out staying and and I was a kid,

1779
01:27:09,439 --> 01:27:12,680
Speaker 3: I was probably ten or twelve. His son found him,

1780
01:27:12,680 --> 01:27:15,519
Speaker 3: I think or whatever. So you're like, that's just I

1781
01:27:15,600 --> 01:27:17,840
Speaker 3: was always aware of that, Like my dad put it

1782
01:27:17,880 --> 01:27:22,160
Speaker 3: in my head. And then I killed this guy right

1783
01:27:22,200 --> 01:27:26,439
Speaker 3: here in the mountains and we're drying them down. My

1784
01:27:26,600 --> 01:27:30,160
Speaker 3: dad killed down my buddy cum the buck. I think, yeah,

1785
01:27:30,520 --> 01:27:33,880
Speaker 3: so we're we're talking the rains. That comes in asked

1786
01:27:33,960 --> 01:27:36,360
Speaker 3: what we're doing, see our license and everything, and he's

1787
01:27:36,439 --> 01:27:40,679
Speaker 3: like you guys wearing their horns up there, like yeah,

1788
01:27:40,760 --> 01:27:43,400
Speaker 3: we're good to guys because they found somebody that was

1789
01:27:43,600 --> 01:27:44,920
Speaker 3: up there for like a year and they found like

1790
01:27:45,000 --> 01:27:47,439
Speaker 3: a half like a skeleton dude in the woods.

1791
01:27:47,800 --> 01:27:50,240
Speaker 4: Said and call like was a whole like did he

1792
01:27:50,320 --> 01:27:50,720
Speaker 4: fall out?

1793
01:27:50,800 --> 01:27:50,840
Speaker 3: Like?

1794
01:27:50,960 --> 01:27:52,080
Speaker 4: So he gives us the whole.

1795
01:27:51,880 --> 01:27:55,320
Speaker 3: Story, and I'm like, because it's remote, you know, fifty

1796
01:27:55,400 --> 01:27:57,439
Speaker 3: thousand acres so it's like you're.

1797
01:27:57,280 --> 01:27:58,800
Speaker 4: Not in near a Hikings frond. Nobody's going to go

1798
01:27:58,840 --> 01:28:01,280
Speaker 4: into this little spot. Where got the dude hanging from

1799
01:28:01,320 --> 01:28:01,719
Speaker 4: a stand.

1800
01:28:02,200 --> 01:28:04,680
Speaker 3: So it's like his foot got caught in and I

1801
01:28:04,760 --> 01:28:07,160
Speaker 3: guess was weren't harnessed and got caught in the cable

1802
01:28:07,160 --> 01:28:11,000
Speaker 3: and he's just hung upside down, probably screaming until you

1803
01:28:11,120 --> 01:28:14,200
Speaker 3: passed out. And I'm like, that's just crazy because it's

1804
01:28:14,200 --> 01:28:17,519
Speaker 3: still twenty I mean, it was just twenty eighteen or

1805
01:28:17,600 --> 01:28:21,120
Speaker 3: nineteen whatever it was. I'm like, then people still didn't

1806
01:28:22,200 --> 01:28:25,200
Speaker 3: I mean, the literature is there. If you're hunting, you

1807
01:28:25,320 --> 01:28:27,320
Speaker 3: see it, you know what it's like, people still don't

1808
01:28:27,560 --> 01:28:30,720
Speaker 3: use it. And I'm like, man, that's just nuts. And

1809
01:28:30,840 --> 01:28:32,479
Speaker 3: I just really like I'm a victim of it. So

1810
01:28:32,560 --> 01:28:34,400
Speaker 3: I hear about that, and like you're telling me the

1811
01:28:34,439 --> 01:28:35,920
Speaker 3: sort of like in the back of my mind, I'm like,

1812
01:28:36,000 --> 01:28:38,040
Speaker 3: he's an idiot because.

1813
01:28:38,120 --> 01:28:39,080
Speaker 4: No cell phone service.

1814
01:28:39,160 --> 01:28:41,240
Speaker 3: Like you're going to die out there right because you

1815
01:28:41,560 --> 01:28:44,040
Speaker 3: didn't want to be comfortable or like you didn't want

1816
01:28:44,040 --> 01:28:44,280
Speaker 3: to wear it.

1817
01:28:44,439 --> 01:28:49,519
Speaker 4: Like that's just kid's wife, kids, the old family job business.

1818
01:28:50,160 --> 01:28:52,200
Speaker 4: You know, it's just it's not worn't.

1819
01:28:52,479 --> 01:28:54,920
Speaker 2: At all well. And not to mention the fact that

1820
01:28:55,880 --> 01:28:58,760
Speaker 2: if you do fall, I mean, it's not like you're

1821
01:28:58,840 --> 01:29:02,240
Speaker 2: going to die right away falling seventeen feet like it's

1822
01:29:02,280 --> 01:29:05,439
Speaker 2: gonna be a you're gonna you're gonna have a lot

1823
01:29:05,479 --> 01:29:07,880
Speaker 2: of time to think about it and the mistakes you made.

1824
01:29:09,320 --> 01:29:12,720
Speaker 2: What let's let's just wrap this thing up with I

1825
01:29:12,840 --> 01:29:15,080
Speaker 2: just want to ask you one that question about about

1826
01:29:15,120 --> 01:29:21,439
Speaker 2: your injuries, like do you still deal with repercussions from

1827
01:29:21,439 --> 01:29:24,320
Speaker 2: that fallout? Like do you still deal with the injuries

1828
01:29:24,760 --> 01:29:27,120
Speaker 2: at some level today? For sure?

1829
01:29:28,280 --> 01:29:32,439
Speaker 3: Every day I'm in pain, but you just deal with

1830
01:29:32,520 --> 01:29:36,040
Speaker 3: it like no one Yeah, yeah, like no like ailment

1831
01:29:36,120 --> 01:29:38,599
Speaker 3: seel Like I still run.

1832
01:29:39,040 --> 01:29:41,120
Speaker 4: I mean I still you know, it's not going to

1833
01:29:41,160 --> 01:29:43,880
Speaker 4: stop me. I'm not going to stop living my life.

1834
01:29:43,920 --> 01:29:47,120
Speaker 3: But like my wife will say, like I don't complain

1835
01:29:47,160 --> 01:29:48,719
Speaker 3: about the pain because we were.

1836
01:29:48,640 --> 01:29:49,840
Speaker 4: Talking, no one cares.

1837
01:29:50,360 --> 01:29:51,800
Speaker 3: And then when I do get to the point like

1838
01:29:51,960 --> 01:29:55,280
Speaker 3: I'll snap sometimes because like I just need like I

1839
01:29:55,320 --> 01:29:57,640
Speaker 3: can't be bothered with anything right now because I.

1840
01:29:57,720 --> 01:30:00,519
Speaker 4: Do industrial maintenance. So it's like I beat my body

1841
01:30:00,600 --> 01:30:02,120
Speaker 4: up at work, you know, And then it's like I

1842
01:30:02,240 --> 01:30:02,679
Speaker 4: do stuff.

1843
01:30:02,960 --> 01:30:04,600
Speaker 3: If you get right from hunting season, It's like my

1844
01:30:04,680 --> 01:30:08,040
Speaker 3: body don't necessarily get a break sometimes and I'll do

1845
01:30:08,240 --> 01:30:10,560
Speaker 3: be something, doing something around the house, like kneeling, and

1846
01:30:10,680 --> 01:30:12,680
Speaker 3: it just gets to the point where it's like I

1847
01:30:12,760 --> 01:30:13,760
Speaker 3: was just irritable and then.

1848
01:30:13,720 --> 01:30:15,880
Speaker 4: Still say something and I'll just snap at her and

1849
01:30:15,960 --> 01:30:16,519
Speaker 4: I feel bad.

1850
01:30:16,600 --> 01:30:19,880
Speaker 3: But I was like, if I'm snapping, it's like there's

1851
01:30:19,960 --> 01:30:22,360
Speaker 3: that I have a high personal pain. But like I'm here,

1852
01:30:22,640 --> 01:30:25,160
Speaker 3: like I went from like a like a ten to twenty.

1853
01:30:25,280 --> 01:30:29,160
Speaker 3: It's just I don't need you to stay. That was

1854
01:30:29,200 --> 01:30:29,880
Speaker 3: not very nice.

1855
01:30:30,120 --> 01:30:32,200
Speaker 4: So it's like it's like I just need a little

1856
01:30:32,200 --> 01:30:34,160
Speaker 4: space to let me and and move on.

1857
01:30:34,360 --> 01:30:37,880
Speaker 3: But there's never a day and I'm not in pain, right,

1858
01:30:37,920 --> 01:30:40,560
Speaker 3: you know, you just you just learn to if I

1859
01:30:40,640 --> 01:30:41,680
Speaker 3: complain about it every day.

1860
01:30:41,800 --> 01:30:43,920
Speaker 4: No one likes winer. No one likes a complainer. Like

1861
01:30:44,200 --> 01:30:47,080
Speaker 4: my daughter, she don't care about pain. I gotta pick

1862
01:30:47,120 --> 01:30:49,320
Speaker 4: her up, you know. Even with this, it's like I'm like.

1863
01:30:49,360 --> 01:30:52,200
Speaker 3: The pick me up daddy, all right, no matter how

1864
01:30:52,320 --> 01:30:56,559
Speaker 3: hard I'm in pain, I gotta do what my dad's

1865
01:30:56,560 --> 01:30:56,880
Speaker 3: got to do.

1866
01:30:57,360 --> 01:31:00,160
Speaker 4: Or work my knees. We're crawling on that, you know,

1867
01:31:00,240 --> 01:31:01,400
Speaker 4: pulling and belt. My knees hurt.

1868
01:31:01,600 --> 01:31:04,120
Speaker 3: That belt needs to get in and the belt's gonna

1869
01:31:04,120 --> 01:31:06,439
Speaker 3: be running by far I leave, So you just fuck

1870
01:31:06,479 --> 01:31:07,920
Speaker 3: them down and do it, you know, And then just

1871
01:31:09,120 --> 01:31:10,760
Speaker 3: I'm being paid for a day or two, and then

1872
01:31:11,240 --> 01:31:13,200
Speaker 3: it subsized a little bit and let's go about my

1873
01:31:13,280 --> 01:31:14,240
Speaker 3: merry way, right.

1874
01:31:14,680 --> 01:31:17,160
Speaker 2: I mean that that's a great way to end this

1875
01:31:17,320 --> 01:31:22,760
Speaker 2: because you actually had I mean not it's not like

1876
01:31:22,840 --> 01:31:25,560
Speaker 2: a favorable outcome, right, but it could have been a

1877
01:31:25,800 --> 01:31:26,800
Speaker 2: hell of a lot worse.

1878
01:31:28,400 --> 01:31:31,880
Speaker 3: Was Yeah, my my surgeon was well he did was

1879
01:31:31,920 --> 01:31:34,519
Speaker 3: a miracle basically because because I see the x er

1880
01:31:34,600 --> 01:31:37,160
Speaker 3: as before and what he did and what I'm able

1881
01:31:37,240 --> 01:31:40,639
Speaker 3: to do, you know, and it's like that dude deserves

1882
01:31:40,640 --> 01:31:43,880
Speaker 3: an award because he didn't run have anything to work with.

1883
01:31:44,160 --> 01:31:47,479
Speaker 4: My miniscus was flip upside down, you know. The A

1884
01:31:47,680 --> 01:31:50,760
Speaker 4: c L was the stress. You unbelieved pc L, you know,

1885
01:31:50,960 --> 01:31:54,440
Speaker 4: and it's like both ministers just destroyed.

1886
01:31:54,439 --> 01:31:56,960
Speaker 3: They got KR how he did KR and bolts and

1887
01:31:57,000 --> 01:32:00,479
Speaker 3: everything went through and it's like you know, fan a

1888
01:32:00,560 --> 01:32:03,200
Speaker 3: while now and it's like I don't get swelling or anything,

1889
01:32:03,720 --> 01:32:04,599
Speaker 3: you know, it just hurts.

1890
01:32:04,800 --> 01:32:05,000
Speaker 2: Yep.

1891
01:32:05,479 --> 01:32:09,400
Speaker 4: So whatever he did was, Yeah. I wish I knew

1892
01:32:09,400 --> 01:32:11,720
Speaker 4: where he was because he closed up where he's not

1893
01:32:11,880 --> 01:32:14,400
Speaker 4: at the hospital or wherever he is, like whoever wherever

1894
01:32:14,439 --> 01:32:17,960
Speaker 4: he went. Thanks, there's all right.

1895
01:32:17,920 --> 01:32:20,360
Speaker 2: There's probably a is it. There's probably just like a

1896
01:32:21,320 --> 01:32:23,240
Speaker 2: some constant level of inflammation in there.

1897
01:32:23,320 --> 01:32:25,840
Speaker 4: Huh No, it's not not too bad.

1898
01:32:26,760 --> 01:32:28,559
Speaker 2: But where's the what's the pain coming from?

1899
01:32:30,080 --> 01:32:34,080
Speaker 3: It's like aches, like it'll just ache, like when if

1900
01:32:34,080 --> 01:32:37,200
Speaker 3: we had that real extreme pressure change, like high pressure,

1901
01:32:37,200 --> 01:32:40,840
Speaker 3: blowing pressure dropped so fast, like I'll be like, hey,

1902
01:32:40,920 --> 01:32:44,559
Speaker 3: the rain's coming, my wife, it's coming, trust me.

1903
01:32:44,760 --> 01:32:47,200
Speaker 4: Because both my knee and wait but the left one

1904
01:32:47,200 --> 01:32:49,880
Speaker 4: and be like yeah, it's definitely coming. And I can

1905
01:32:49,920 --> 01:32:51,840
Speaker 4: look at you, like brother underground or something.

1906
01:32:51,880 --> 01:32:54,519
Speaker 3: You see that that bever much of pressure rising down

1907
01:32:54,560 --> 01:32:56,080
Speaker 3: and I'm like, oh, there it is. I was like,

1908
01:32:56,880 --> 01:32:59,400
Speaker 3: and my pain started at noon and love the rise

1909
01:32:59,439 --> 01:33:01,320
Speaker 3: and starting to go up like sharply.

1910
01:33:01,400 --> 01:33:05,400
Speaker 2: It's like, dude, you're like the wise old guy sitting

1911
01:33:05,439 --> 01:33:09,639
Speaker 2: in his backyard like drinking iced tea, like yep, rain's coming, mama,

1912
01:33:10,479 --> 01:33:11,880
Speaker 2: Yeah we'll be we'll be.

1913
01:33:11,840 --> 01:33:13,560
Speaker 3: At work for that work at the airport, and some

1914
01:33:13,680 --> 01:33:16,040
Speaker 3: of the guys will be doing somethings like I like

1915
01:33:16,720 --> 01:33:19,760
Speaker 3: probably range jackets. Today was like that rain's coming faster

1916
01:33:19,920 --> 01:33:23,439
Speaker 3: than they get out of here. Turn off poor and

1917
01:33:24,200 --> 01:33:27,439
Speaker 3: it was like told you you know, it's like the

1918
01:33:27,840 --> 01:33:29,639
Speaker 3: joys of falling out of a tree.

1919
01:33:29,680 --> 01:33:32,880
Speaker 2: I guess, dude, you got like a little a little

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Speaker 2: superhero trait there for deer hunting though. Yeah, yeah, so

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Speaker 2: probably not worth it.

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Speaker 4: Yeah get in the woods, Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Probably not worth it, but yeah maybe there's a silver

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Speaker 2: line in there. Uh dude, It's always so much fun

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Speaker 2: to chat with you and hear your stories. This one

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Speaker 2: is a very very uh cautionary tale. People need to

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Speaker 2: pay attention to be safe out there, everybody. Greg, thanks

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Speaker 2: so much for coming on Man and the Problem.

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Speaker 4: I thanks.

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Speaker 2: That's it for this week, folks. Make sure to tune

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Speaker 2: in every week for some more whitetail goodness. I'm your

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Speaker 2: guest host, Tony Peterson and this has been the Wired

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Speaker 2: to Hunt podcast, which is brought to you by First Light.

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