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Speaker 1: Welcome to the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast DAM paranormal

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Speaker 1: podcast network. Now get ready for another episode of Sheets

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Speaker 1: of the Afterlife with Sandra Champlain.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to our podcast. Please be aware the thoughts and

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Speaker 2: opinions expressed by the host are their thoughts and opinions

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Speaker 2: and associates. We would like to encourage you to do

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Speaker 2: your own research and discover the subject matter for yourself. Hi.

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Speaker 2: I'm Sandra Champlain. For over twenty five years, I've been

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Speaker 2: on a journey to prove the existence of life after death.

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Speaker 2: On each episode, we'll discuss the reasons we now know

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Speaker 2: that our loved ones have survived physical debt, and so

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Speaker 2: will we. Welcome to Shades of the Afterlife. If you've

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Speaker 2: been a listener to Shades of the Afterlife for a while,

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Speaker 2: you know I talk about things like you don't have

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Speaker 2: to see it to believe it. There's a lot of

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Speaker 2: things happening in the invisible world around us that we

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Speaker 2: can't see, but they're very real. Your computer or your

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Speaker 2: phone may not be plugged into the Internet, and yet

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Speaker 2: it can receive information. There's television signals, there's radio waves,

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Speaker 2: there's the GPS signals. There's so much in this space,

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Speaker 2: even things like sound. Can't see it, but it's real.

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Speaker 2: Wind can't see it, but it's real. Well, that's the

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Speaker 2: place our loved ones live. I think our world is

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Speaker 2: a world within their world. Heaven or the afterlife isn't

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Speaker 2: someplace far out there. It's right here, just vibrating at

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Speaker 2: a different pace. Energy cannot be destroyed, so we know

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Speaker 2: that right when a log burns, it turns into heat.

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Speaker 2: When a puddle evaporates it turns into steam or cloud.

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Speaker 2: And when we die, our bodies are gone, but our

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Speaker 2: energy survives. Two or a lot more kinds of energy

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Speaker 2: can live at the same place at the exact same time.

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Speaker 2: So yes, I believe in the space around you right now,

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Speaker 2: there's a lot you can't see. I believe that our

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Speaker 2: loved ones are very busy living their lives, but can

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Speaker 2: They may not be able to communicate with that same ease,

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Speaker 2: but it doesn't mean they're not there. It's often a

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Speaker 2: question if our loved ones are there? Who else is there?

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Speaker 2: I think we have spirit guides people like angels. Why not?

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Speaker 2: And what about the almighty? Shall I use the word God?

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Speaker 2: I think we can all be in agreement that there

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Speaker 2: is some energy, some life force, something divine that is

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Speaker 2: connecting all of us and giving energy to everything. Many

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Speaker 2: people use the word light to describe this. Some people

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Speaker 2: use nature or the universe. In my book We Don't Die,

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Speaker 2: I have a chapter on religion. Most of the major

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Speaker 2: world religions believe in the afterlife, even a lot of atheists.

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Speaker 2: Although they may not believe in God, they believe in something.

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Speaker 2: One of my favorite expressions relates God to a light

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Speaker 2: but there's only one light. There may be plenty of

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Speaker 2: you're going to hear from my pastor who talks about God.

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Speaker 2: Feel free to put in whatever word you choose that

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Speaker 2: But I think it's important to hear just how close

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Speaker 2: than a thousand near death experiences. He was recently featured

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Speaker 2: His latest book, Imagine the God of Heaven, recounts nearly

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Speaker 3: I'm really trying to show is the commonalities of what

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Speaker 3: believe is the love we've always wanted. One of the things, Sandra,

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Speaker 1: The Internet is an extraordinary resource that links our children

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Speaker 1: to a world of information, experiences, and ideas and also

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Speaker 1: can expose them to risk. Teach your children the basic

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Speaker 1: safety rules of the virtual world. Our children are everything.

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Speaker 1: Do everything for them.

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Speaker 5: And Coast to Coast am Ironormal Podcast Network.

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Speaker 2: Welcome back to Shades of the Afterlife. I'm Santra Champlain

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Speaker 2: and this is New York Times best selling author John

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Speaker 2: Burke talking about the light that people see in near

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Speaker 3: The light of Heaven comes out of everything, out of

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Speaker 2: Before the break, John was just telling us about some

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Speaker 3: they said, we started coming to your church and came

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Speaker 3: to faith because when our second born was in an infant,

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Speaker 3: he was in and out of ICU and his heart

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Speaker 3: crashed multiple times. And then when he was four years old,

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Speaker 3: we would tuck him into bed at night and he

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Speaker 3: kept saying, I want to go run and play with

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Speaker 3: Jesus in the fields again. And Christy said to me,

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Speaker 3: we didn't believe in Jesus. We never watched TV, we'd

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Speaker 3: never been to church. And I kept asking him, who

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Speaker 3: told you about Jesus? And he kept saying, when he

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Speaker 3: came and got me in the hospital, and we went

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Speaker 3: and ran and played in the fields, I want to

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Speaker 3: go back. And that kind of opened their minds and

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Speaker 3: hearts like, Okay, what's going on here? So what I'm

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Speaker 3: trying to show. And the last section of the book

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Speaker 3: is all about walking with the God of Joy. The

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Speaker 3: last thing Jesus said when he was on earth is

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Speaker 3: he said, stay connected to me, just like a branch

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Speaker 3: stays connected to a vine, and you don't have to

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Speaker 3: try hard to grow. Fruit grows naturally. And he said, so,

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Speaker 3: just stay connected to me, and good things will naturally

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Speaker 3: grow in your life. But disconnected, you can do nothing.

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Speaker 3: And then he said this, He said, I've told you

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Speaker 3: these things so that my joy will be in you

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Speaker 3: and your joy will overflow. And most people don't think

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Speaker 3: that's God's heart for you. I have two little granddaughters.

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Speaker 3: I love enjoying life with them. I can't wait. I'm

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Speaker 3: going to give my little almost four year old for

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Speaker 3: first bike with training wheels and I'm so excited because

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Speaker 3: I get to enjoy her learning to ride a bike.

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Speaker 3: I'm not a better branddad relater than God is to us.

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Speaker 3: He's better. I interviewed this aerospace engineer who turned lawyer

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Speaker 3: is now a lawyer in Australia, and another professor in Australia.

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Speaker 3: And this one lawyer guy said, he's coming into this

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Speaker 3: brilliant light and he sees in the light like arms

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Speaker 3: stretched out, like he's going to just embrace him and

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Speaker 3: hug him. And as he's getting closer and closer, he

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Speaker 3: finds himself filled up with what he called was love

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Speaker 3: and a joy that produces ecstasy. And I thought to myself,

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Speaker 3: if this keeps going, I'm going to explode. And then

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Speaker 3: it starts to subside, and he realizes this being this

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Speaker 3: God heard my thoughts, which of course we know is common.

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Speaker 3: And then he says, no, don't stop, I want more,

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Speaker 3: and he hears God chuckle, and then it starts to increase, increase.

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Speaker 3: So what I'm trying to show is that the God

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Speaker 3: who created us, the love we have for a child

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Speaker 3: or for a grandchild, all the feeling known by a

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Speaker 3: best friend, to just go through life with a best friend,

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Speaker 3: even the love and ecstasy we would feel with a

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Speaker 3: spouse that we are just like one with They're all

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Speaker 3: just a little taste on the tip of our tongue

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Speaker 3: of a greater relationship that then will bring all of

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Speaker 3: our relationships together as they were meant to be.

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Speaker 2: It is so refreshing to hear you talk.

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Speaker 3: John. When I get going, I get wound up because

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Speaker 3: it's so exciting. I interview Santosh who grew up in India,

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Speaker 3: doctor Raji Parti, chief fantasysiologist the baker Field Hospital, this

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Speaker 3: mom in Rwanda, a woman in Tehran, and I'm showing

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Speaker 3: how what they say and what they experience, and he

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Speaker 3: doesn't tell them exactly who he is because he said,

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Speaker 3: if you seek me with all your heart, you'll find me.

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Speaker 3: And that's exactly what these people do when they come back,

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Speaker 3: and they do. And so I'm going through this love

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Speaker 3: story and the compassion and the mercy of God and

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Speaker 3: making sense of why, if God is love, would he

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Speaker 3: allow all these horrific things. And I interview some people

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Speaker 3: who went through horrific things and how when they had

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Speaker 3: this n Dee in the middle of these horrific things

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Speaker 3: made sense and how it can help us. But the

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Speaker 3: last part of the book is all about how do

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Speaker 3: we walk daily with this God of joy. One ceo

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Speaker 3: Johnson and then a CEO of biotech firms, and a

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Speaker 3: lot of the people I interview like, they have a

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Speaker 3: lot to lose making up wacky stories, right, what do

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Speaker 3: they have the game making this stuff up? This Hindu engineer,

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Speaker 3: he described seeing the revelation twenty one City of God

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Speaker 3: exactly and comes back. But the CEO, Randy, he said,

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Speaker 3: he's there in the presence of Jesus and just overwhelmed.

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Speaker 3: He said, I knew human love, and I have a

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Speaker 3: wonderful family and a wonderful spouse. But he said, when

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Speaker 3: I looked in the eyes of love, this is the

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Speaker 3: person of love. And he said, I just never wanted

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Speaker 3: to leave. And Jesus gives them a different kind of

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Speaker 3: life review. They're all unique in certain ways. He showed

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Speaker 3: him vignettes, and some of the vignettes like Randy grew

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Speaker 3: up with severe asthma, so he's in and out of

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Speaker 3: the hospital a lot as a kid, and he was

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Speaker 3: bullied because he was overweight, and he lost his one friend,

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Speaker 3: his little dog, his old fox terrier, was his only friend.

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Speaker 3: And he's seen all this and he was confused. He

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Speaker 3: asked the Lord, He said, God, why are you showing

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Speaker 3: me these things? And then he realized, Oh, you were

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Speaker 3: with me even in that you were there, and he

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Speaker 3: looks and Jesus has a tear. He says, I was

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Speaker 3: always with you. I've always been with you, just waiting

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Speaker 3: for you to turn to me. It's interesting because sometimes

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Speaker 3: Christians say this can't be right, because it says in

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Speaker 3: Revelation there are no more tears. He says, no, it

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Speaker 3: doesn't say that. It says he will wipe away every tier.

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Speaker 3: We're still fully ourselves right. And then he shows Randy

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Speaker 3: this other time because Randy became an atheist and he

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Speaker 3: went to Northwestern. He tried to disprove all religions. That

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Speaker 3: was like his project. He tried to do this. And

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Speaker 3: he sees himself working as an orderly in a hospital

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Speaker 3: and he walks into bring a meal to this seven

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Speaker 3: year old cancer patient who's dying, and this little seven

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Speaker 3: year old boy says to him, I'm dying and he said,

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Speaker 3: I'm so sorry, and he said it's okay. I'm going

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Speaker 3: to go to heaven. And then he asked Randy. He said,

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Speaker 3: do you know Jesus? And Randy said, no, I don't

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Speaker 3: really believe in that, but if there is a heaven,

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Speaker 3: I'm sure you'll go there. And then the little boy said,

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Speaker 3: I'm going to pray for you, and you're going to

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Speaker 3: be there too. And Randy is here standing with Jesus

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Speaker 3: reliving this little boy praying for him, and he said,

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Speaker 3: Jesus was showing me he honored the prayers of that

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Speaker 3: little boy for me, and I'm here watching this again.

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Speaker 3: And what he said to him is I was always

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Speaker 3: there with you, wanting to help you through life and

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Speaker 3: just wanting you to turn to me. And then Jesus says, look,

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Speaker 3: and he turns and he looks, and across this meadow

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Speaker 3: of heaven again with beautiful flowers and grass, comes running

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Speaker 3: this little dog, Randy's dog that had died when he

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Speaker 3: was in college, jumps up on him and starts licking

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Speaker 3: his face like a lollipop, just like he did when

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Speaker 3: he was little. And Jesus says to him, see, beloved,

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Speaker 3: I give you the desire of your heart. That's a

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Speaker 3: psalm in Psalm thirty seventy four says, delight yourself in

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Speaker 3: the Lord, and he will give you the desire of

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Speaker 3: your heart. And I like to point out that following

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Speaker 3: God in this life, sometimes we think, oh, I'm going

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Speaker 3: to miss out. You're not going to miss out on anything,

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Speaker 3: because this life is not the end. It's not it.

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Speaker 3: So many people and Heaven talk about they love to

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Speaker 3: create art, but they weren't a very good artist on earth,

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Speaker 3: but in Heaven they are. They're able to do all

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Speaker 3: these things they dreamt of. And so then he says,

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Speaker 3: I'm sending you back, Randy, I'm sending you back, and

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Speaker 3: Randy starts arguing with him, I'm not going back, no way.

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Speaker 3: It's hard down there. And Randy finally said, okay, if

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Speaker 3: you're sending me back, then you still have a purpose

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Speaker 3: on earth. And he said, okay, if I have to

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Speaker 3: go back, then tell me my purpose. What am I

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Speaker 3: supposed to do? And he said, I'm a type a CEO.

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Speaker 3: I want a five year plan, ten year plan. And

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Speaker 3: Jesus says to him, no, I won't tell you your

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Speaker 3: purpose because if I tell you your purpose, you'll try

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Speaker 3: to get out ahead of me. I want you to

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Speaker 3: just stay with me and daily we'll do it together.

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Speaker 3: I tell more of his story, but I also talk

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Speaker 3: about the way we stay connected is we just talk

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Speaker 3: to him and to realize he's always with us and

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Speaker 3: he wants to help us through life. Just like in

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Speaker 3: the ears, the communication of heaven is thought to thought right,

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Speaker 3: and the way we experience that today is just this

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Speaker 3: prompting in our minds. Sometimes we don't realize that not

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Speaker 3: every thought we have is our own, and sometimes those

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Speaker 3: thoughts they're trying to get us to get deceived into

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Speaker 3: doing things that are going to hurt us or hurt

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Speaker 3: others and their temptation, and we don't realize that. And

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Speaker 3: so we have to learn to take those thoughts and

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Speaker 3: don't just go with it necessarily. We've had a recovery ministry,

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Speaker 3: and that's what addicts have to realize is that first

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Speaker 3: thought often is just like, hey, like this one cocaine

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Speaker 3: addict who he told me he kept having this thought,

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Speaker 3: and he had been cleaned for five years and he

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Speaker 3: kept having this thought, Hey, go buy gas there, that's

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Speaker 3: the cheapest gas. You need to be a good steward

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Speaker 3: of your money. But he knew that from that gas

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Speaker 3: station he could see his old dealer's house. But he

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Speaker 3: gave into that thought and he kept going and getting

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Speaker 3: gas until one day in a week spot, he ends

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Speaker 3: up over there about to buy coke. When he comes

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Speaker 3: to his census, he has another prompt, you don't have

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Speaker 3: to do this, just a thought, you don't have to

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Speaker 3: do this, and he's your right, and he turns and

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Speaker 3: he stays sober so realizing that God speaks to us

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Speaker 3: in our thoughts and as we just talk over everything

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Speaker 3: throughout the day, every decision, Lord, what should I do

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Speaker 3: with this? You don't always get this instant. Oh okay,

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Speaker 3: now I know. Because the other thing we have to

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Speaker 3: realize is He didn't want us to be robots. He

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Speaker 3: created us free willed people. And that's because free will

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Speaker 3: is a requisite of being able to love.

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Speaker 2: After the break, we'll hear some more about love from

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Speaker 2: Pastor John Burke, and also how do we put this

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Speaker 2: practice in place knowing that there's this great love that

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Speaker 2: travels with us wanting to help us. We'll be right back.

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Speaker 2: You're listening to Shades of the Afterlife on the iHeartRadio

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Speaker 2: and Coast to Coast am Paranormal podcast Network.

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Speaker 4: Stay there, Sandra Will be right back.

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Speaker 5: Hey, it's the Wizard of Weird Joshua P.

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Speaker 3: Warren.

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Speaker 5: Don't forget to check out my show Strange Things each

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Speaker 5: week as I bring you the world of the truly,

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Speaker 5: amazing and bizarre right here on the iHeartRadio and Coast

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Speaker 5: to Coast AM Paranormal Podcast Network. Hi, this is your

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Speaker 2: Welcome back to Shades of the Afterlife. I'm Sandra Champlain

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Speaker 2: and we're here with New York Times best selling author

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Speaker 2: John Burke. If you would like the first three chapters

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Speaker 2: go to Imagine the Good Offheaven dot com. Let's get

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Speaker 2: back to John talking about our individuality and love.

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Speaker 3: He didn't want us to be robots. He created us

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Speaker 3: free willed people. And that's because free will is a

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Speaker 3: requisite of being able to love. And God wants love,

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Speaker 3: and so it's as we are willing that we love

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Speaker 3: God back. The more willing we are to follow, the

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Speaker 3: more we're loving God, because that's all we have to give. Right,

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Speaker 3: you don't, you don't have anything to give the giver

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Speaker 3: of life, accept what he's given us. The ability to

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Speaker 3: either say screw you, God, I don't need you. I've

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Speaker 3: got my life figured out and people do or Okay,

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Speaker 3: I trust you and I want to know what do

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Speaker 3: you want. I love what God told Santosh, who again

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Speaker 3: he grew up in India Hindu. When he came back,

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Speaker 3: he said, I saw this almighty God. After he sees

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Speaker 3: this city of God with these twelve gates, he said,

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Speaker 3: and I see Almighty God. And he said he was

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Speaker 3: going to send him back. He said, when I come back,

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Speaker 3: I want to go into this city. How do I

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Speaker 3: And what he was thinking is which temple or mosque

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Speaker 3: or church or do I go to? And he said,

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Speaker 3: I want honest, not one day a week, three hundred

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Speaker 3: and sixty five days a year, How honest? How truthful

658
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Speaker 3: will you be with me? He said, I want relationship.

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Speaker 3: Yield to me daily and walk with me. That's what

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Speaker 3: he said. Now Santosh didn't know what any of that meant.

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Speaker 3: And he came back and he was like, okay, who

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Speaker 3: was this God? Because he had mercy and compassion and

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Speaker 3: such love for me, And he just kept seeking and

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Speaker 3: he did discover who it is, and so I think

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Speaker 3: it's real simple, and sometimes growing up in church. I

666
00:42:56,000 --> 00:42:59,040
Speaker 3: grew up in a pretty traditional church and just rebelled

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Speaker 3: and went away from it because it's not that what's

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Speaker 3: being taught necessarily is wrong. It's sometimes you don't see

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Speaker 3: the life of God being lived out with people. Some

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Speaker 3: people really are just doing religious ritual, and that's not

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Speaker 3: what God's interested in. He's interested in relationship. And it's simple.

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Speaker 3: We don't have to go clean up our act. We

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Speaker 3: don't have to prove we're good enough. We don't have

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Speaker 3: to jump through a bunch of religious hoops to get

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Speaker 3: God to love us. He already loves you more than

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Speaker 3: you could imagine, and now he wants you to just

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Speaker 3: walk with him simply by realizing every day you can

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Speaker 3: talk to him about anything. And as you learn to

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Speaker 3: pay attention to the promptings of those things that intuitively, hey,

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Speaker 3: he wants me to care about this person. He wants

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Speaker 3: me to do something for this person, and you do it,

682
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Speaker 3: and you're able to start to look back and go, wow, Okay,

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Speaker 3: he's really leading me. He's really got so many.

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Speaker 2: Special words, and I can feel your passion and I'm

685
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Speaker 2: going to share this interview as far as I can.

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Speaker 2: But the ripple effect of number one knowing that you're

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Speaker 2: loved just the way you are, and number two being

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Speaker 2: love and sharing love.

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Speaker 3: And I'm really grateful.

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Speaker 2: The older I've gotten, I realized I don't need to

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Speaker 2: be fast paced anymore. It's not about making money, it's

692
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Speaker 2: not about doing these big, grandiose things. It's the simple

693
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Speaker 2: things in life, loving, appreciating nature. We don't think God

694
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Speaker 2: has a sense of humor. Just look at nature because

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Speaker 2: there's something I know, pritters out there.

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Speaker 3: Who would create the platypus right.

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Speaker 2: Exactly, And there's just so much joy and we all

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Speaker 2: know what that joy feels like. But to remember this

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Speaker 2: in a daily way, how can we put this in

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Speaker 2: daily practice? Is it putting post it notes up like

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Speaker 2: any other affirmation?

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Speaker 3: What do you think the thing is? We're always like

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Speaker 3: I amn't arrived. After years of being a pastor. I

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Speaker 3: was getting worried and stressed out living high rev And

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Speaker 3: I read where Jesus says in Matthew chapter six, do

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Speaker 3: not worry about your life. Don't worry about what you're

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Speaker 3: going to eat, or what you're going to drink, or

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Speaker 3: what you wear or all these other things. You can't

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Speaker 3: add a single day to your life, and just seek

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Speaker 3: God and this kingdom and all these things will be

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Speaker 3: added to you. And I felt this prompting thought. It

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Speaker 3: took me aback because what I realized is we categorize

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Speaker 3: some things as important and some things as not important.

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Speaker 3: And what I realized is he was saying to me,

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Speaker 3: I really don't want you living this stressed out life.

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Speaker 3: Another passage she gave me that I started to just

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Speaker 3: meditate on writing notes and things like that Matthew eleven

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Speaker 3: twenty eight where Jesus said, come to me. All you

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Speaker 3: who are weary and carry heavy burdens. Now think about it,

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Speaker 3: because most of us, I would say, thank God is

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Speaker 3: the one putting those burdens on. And yet he said,

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Speaker 3: come to me, and I'll give rest to your soul

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Speaker 3: because my burden is light, and I am gentle and

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Speaker 3: humble of heart. Come learn from me. Is that amazing?

725
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Speaker 3: And by the way, that's exactly what that doctor, that psychiatrist,

726
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Speaker 3: neurologist said, he sees this atomic explosion of light and love.

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Speaker 3: But he said he also get these nine qualities, and

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Speaker 3: I won't go through all of them. I do in

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Speaker 3: the book, But the last one he talked about was humility.

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Speaker 3: He said, if I had these qualities, I would be

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Speaker 3: the proudest soo be ever. And he has them, but

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Speaker 3: he's so humble, so gentle. I think remembering those things

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Speaker 3: about the character of God will help us love and

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Speaker 3: trust God more to let him into more and more

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Speaker 3: of the moments of life. Life. What God showed me

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Speaker 3: is that I have a habit of waking up and

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Speaker 3: ignoring God most of the day. Like I wake up

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Speaker 3: and I'm like, what do I want to do? What

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Speaker 3: do I have to accomplish? And boom, and I'm off

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Speaker 3: going right. You can do that if you want, but

741
00:47:17,440 --> 00:47:20,480
Speaker 3: I have something better. And so when I learned to

742
00:47:20,520 --> 00:47:24,239
Speaker 3: slow down, we actually came up with this experiment we

743
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Speaker 3: call the sixty sixty experiment to just set your alarm

744
00:47:27,800 --> 00:47:32,160
Speaker 3: to go off every sixty minutes for sixty days and

745
00:47:32,200 --> 00:47:35,920
Speaker 3: put little post it notes stay connected, just simple words,

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Speaker 3: stay connected. So it's going through your day realizing I'm loved.

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Speaker 3: God doesn't want me to stress out. He wants to

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Speaker 3: help me, and so you start to just ask him

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Speaker 3: what's the next right thing for me to do? And

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Speaker 3: then you do it. You can talk to him about

751
00:47:53,480 --> 00:47:55,640
Speaker 3: I've got this project and all these things are going

752
00:47:55,840 --> 00:47:58,520
Speaker 3: going crazy and I'm going to lose my job and

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Speaker 3: all these things. But you can just say, Okay, I'm

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Speaker 3: going to trust you. What's the next thing I can

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00:48:03,600 --> 00:48:07,839
Speaker 3: do because all the other things you can't do that's

756
00:48:07,880 --> 00:48:11,440
Speaker 3: off in the future. You don't control the future. And

757
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Speaker 3: it's so simple, but it's so hard to remember, right. Yes,

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Speaker 3: I do advise that just simple practice of putting little

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Speaker 3: reminders for sixty days and in those sixty days, just

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Speaker 3: go all out trying to stay present and doing what

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Speaker 3: you think you want you to do, and you'll be amazed.

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Speaker 3: You'll be amazed, how oh my gosh, like you're real

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Speaker 3: and you really care about me.

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Speaker 2: That is so special, John, Thank you, thank you, thank

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Speaker 2: you for being here with us. This has just been

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Speaker 2: great and I know it's touched my heart and my soul.

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Speaker 2: Tell us how we could get a copy of the book.

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Speaker 2: What the website is, perhaps if we're interested in following

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Speaker 2: Gateway Church.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so Imagine the God of Heaven is the book,

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Speaker 3: and you can just go to the book title Imagine

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Speaker 3: the God of Heaven dot com. John Burke online dot

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Speaker 3: com either one. And Gateway Church dot Com is our church.

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Speaker 3: There is another Gateway Church in Texas. It's not us,

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Speaker 3: so don't get confused. Sometimes people do Gateway Austin and yeah,

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Speaker 3: and if you go on there. I actually did a

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Speaker 3: whole series and you can see a lot of the interviews.

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Speaker 3: I think it was called Imagine Heaven or Imagine the

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Speaker 3: God of Heaven. It's out on Gatewaychurch dot com website,

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Speaker 3: and so you can see a lot of these interviews

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Speaker 3: that I've done and how it all leaves together. But

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Speaker 3: you can get the book Imagine the God of Heaven

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Speaker 3: anywhere books are sold. Pretty much.

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Speaker 2: Pretty awesome, John, any final words before we wrap up.

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Speaker 3: Today, I think just keep in mind it's more simple

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Speaker 3: than we make it, and God is good and wants

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Speaker 3: good things for you.

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Speaker 2: Thank you, Sandra, and thank you John. You know, I

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Speaker 2: spoke with a woman a few days ago and she's

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Speaker 2: made a practice of writing letters to her son, who

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Speaker 2: is in spirit, and allowing her hand to write back

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Speaker 2: what she'd think he would write. And over the course

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Speaker 2: of a year, she is absolutely convinced that he is

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Speaker 2: doing the writing through her and she feels his presence.

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Speaker 2: I've done plenty of inspired writing, where I've gotten into

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Speaker 2: that meditative state and just let the pen flow, and

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Speaker 2: there's some beautiful things that have come out. Am I

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Speaker 2: talking to God? Am I talking to loved ones? Am

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Speaker 2: I talking to my soul? The truth is there is

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Speaker 2: a whole bunch of love and untapped wisdom within us

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Speaker 2: and around us. There are some benefits of having faith,

802
00:51:00,840 --> 00:51:07,600
Speaker 2: such as a longer life span, being happier, reduced stress,

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Speaker 2: more gratitude you forgive, more better friendships, and less worry.

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Speaker 2: I don't know about you, but this interview today is

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00:51:20,239 --> 00:51:24,600
Speaker 2: just what I needed. So many times we feel alone

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00:51:24,640 --> 00:51:28,640
Speaker 2: in life, no matter what you believe or who you

807
00:51:28,680 --> 00:51:34,279
Speaker 2: believe in. What if we act as if truly that

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00:51:34,360 --> 00:51:37,880
Speaker 2: our loved ones are around, that we are connected to

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Speaker 2: a divine soul that only wants the best for us,

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Speaker 2: and the divine is with us and supporting us. As

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Speaker 2: John said, these words from God, if you seek me

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Speaker 2: with all of your heart, you will find me. I've

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Speaker 2: always been with you, just waiting for you to turn

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Speaker 2: to me. Stay connected to me, and good things will

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Speaker 2: grow in your life. And of course you are already

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Speaker 2: loved more than you can imagine. I hope you enjoyed

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Speaker 2: our episode today, Please remember to come visit me two

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Speaker 2: pm New York time every Sunday at the Free Sunday

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Speaker 2: Gathering with Medium demonstration included lots of great upcoming classes

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Speaker 2: and good things. Just go to we Don'tdie dot com.

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Speaker 2: I'm Sandra Champlain. Thank you so much for listening to

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