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Speaker 1: I think it's by like leadership in the humanity of

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Speaker 2: Yeah, fuck math, the totally version of trying to ruin

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Speaker 3: We are joined now live by Jason Worth, who is

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Speaker 3: in the middle of the stables there I believe at

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Speaker 3: Churchill Downs because that's where he's going to be this

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Speaker 3: upcoming weekend. Jason, great to be with you and we

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Speaker 3: are going to talk a little baseball with you. But

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Speaker 3: I want to talk about your horse first. This is cool.

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Speaker 3: This is really cool for me to talk about talk

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Speaker 3: about now. Is that mohawk right there?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's why I'm he's being he's being extra dentle

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Speaker 4: How did you come up with the names and these horses?

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Speaker 5: That has to be I know, like when you go

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Speaker 5: coming up with the names of the deer, right, So,

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Speaker 5: how do you come up with the names.

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Speaker 4: Of a horse? Because horses don't have mohawks, really do they.

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Speaker 2: It's the best. It's the best part of of the

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Speaker 2: the name of the horses big so Uh, Mohawk's dad

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Speaker 2: was Kiara Kanti Kiera Kanti is a is a literally

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Speaker 2: in the Mohawk language that means like flying son or

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Speaker 2: something like that. So, uh, we named him flying flying Mohawk.

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Speaker 2: Why why not?

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Speaker 4: Right?

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Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, it don't matter what you name it.

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Speaker 2: If he if he wins, it'll it'll be famous.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it matters.

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Speaker 6: A name, A name matters. It makes you go faster.

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Speaker 6: But do you did you get into horse did you

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Speaker 6: get into this horse racing stuff? You said, the people

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Speaker 4: Time real cheese.

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Speaker 6: You're kind of like, ah, you're you're you're kind of

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Speaker 2: Yeah, No, we're small fries over here, and it's the

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Speaker 2: it's all equals. So uh, the big the big dogs,

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Speaker 2: I started a syndicate Icon Racing if you ever wanted

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Speaker 4: Jason, What's I want to know what a race is?

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Speaker 5: You won the Big Race, one of the big races

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Speaker 5: last year. Are you more nervous when the horse is

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Speaker 5: Or were you more nervous when you played it in baseball,

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Speaker 4: Which what's the more nerve wrecking I didn't.

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Speaker 6: Are you now you know we got to see your

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Speaker 6: I've seen a little bit of horse racing, and like

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Speaker 2: Yeah? All these every horse is different. Right I'm over

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Speaker 2: Like even even a low level race, these horses get

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Speaker 3: Baseball fans or Derby fans who are more intolerant, who's

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Speaker 2: Oh, baseball fans. I mean, that's what's great about horse

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Speaker 2: You know, you don't have to worry about getting knife

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Speaker 2: Well, I mean, was that wrong?

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Speaker 6: Hey? You you can you have, you have whatever you want,

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Speaker 6: You have any opinion you want, and it's five. Why

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Speaker 4: So I don't I don't care.

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Speaker 2: Either way who wins. I don't pay attention. I didn't

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Speaker 6: Is that a thing? Is that a thing that people

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Speaker 4: I mean, why not when in Rome? Is that a thing?

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Speaker 6: Though? Like, are people just do they just suck in

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Speaker 2: I don't know.

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Speaker 5: Always go, always go with what worked. Jason, I don't

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Speaker 2: Well, Ajan, I wasn't very good, So it was it

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Speaker 2: It was a way better game for me out in

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Speaker 4: If the guy the pitcher pitcher.

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Speaker 2: Is great, is because he's great. If he gives up

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Speaker 4: Like it's it was. It's the most unforgiving job. I

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Speaker 2: Was not for me. I'm I They did me a

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Speaker 3: Yeah, from one World Series champ to another, from one

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Speaker 3: you go, what would you what would you consider a

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Speaker 2: Well, Uh, I've got a I've got an online betting

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Speaker 2: You know, if that thing's in the positive over the weekend,

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Speaker 2: not I'm not coming. We're not coming here just to run.

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Speaker 2: I mean this we we're this is a serious thing.

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Speaker 2: I mean, Fly Mawk is is uh. You know he

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Speaker 2: him in a suit in all my super fectas. So

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Speaker 2: if he runs four. Hopefully I'll hit my super fectives

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Speaker 2: and that'll that'll pay out good and I'll be happy.

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Speaker 2: But you know, the the reality of the sport is

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Speaker 2: You know, it's like it's it's heavy when you're in

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Speaker 2: it is dangerous, but it is an amazing, amazing uh

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Speaker 4: Be a win.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: Over your left shoulder, right shoulder, right shoulder is Jeff Barry.

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Speaker 5: Ask him why when you fouled that ball off your foot.

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Speaker 5: He didn't change a rule so that you couldn't do

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Speaker 2: Now he wants, he wants me to say that you

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Speaker 2: And I just I told.

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Speaker 4: Him I didn't.

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Speaker 2: I didn't really care either way. I call it I

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Speaker 2: hate it getting hit. But what I really hate, what

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Speaker 2: I really don't like, is the slide rule second base.

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Speaker 2: I prided myself at breaking up double plays, and now

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Speaker 2: I put when I went down in twenty seventeen to

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Speaker 2: I slid into second base to break up a double play,

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Speaker 2: and you thought I would have shot this guy's dog.

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Speaker 2: Like these kids are so soft break up double plays anymore.

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Speaker 2: I'm forty years old going into second base the only

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Speaker 4: You get out of here.

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Speaker 5: A break, h Ask Jeff what the secrets are in

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Speaker 5: San Francisco? Say Jeff, what's the secret sauce in San Francisco?

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Speaker 5: I know he's I know he's puppeteering some stuff there

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Speaker 5: with posy.

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Speaker 2: Let's bring a flying Mohawk's.

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Speaker 4: Other owner in here. Let's go guys.

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Speaker 1: No, I think this secret is uh. We've got good players,

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Speaker 1: no different than Mohawk running in the derby. Players are

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Speaker 1: the ones that determine it. And I think the tone

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Speaker 1: is set by buster, posey and leadership, not by math.

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Speaker 1: I think it's by like leadership and the humanity of

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Speaker 2: Yeah, fuck math. The Totley Verds of trying to ruin

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Speaker 2: this toy.

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Speaker 3: They're not.

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Speaker 4: We're not gonna let them.

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Speaker 3: Jason.

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Speaker 2: I don't know if I can cuss with your short now,

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Speaker 2: but I've got a podcast and we say whatever the

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Speaker 2: it out.

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Speaker 3: All right, Jason, we appreciate it. Good luck. We'll talk

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Speaker 3: to you soon.