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Speaker 1: much news. President Biden has declared a war on ground,
Speaker 1: its corporations are gay for pride, and someone special is
Speaker 1: following all of you on TikTok. So let's do this people.
Speaker 1: Let's jump straight into today's headlines. All right, let's kick
Speaker 1: things off with TikTok, the world's biggest social media sites
Speaker 1: and the app that proves Americans can read subtitles just
Speaker 1: fine when they want to. Yeah, hundreds of millions of
Speaker 1: people around the world use TikTok every day because I mean,
Speaker 1: what else are you gonna do while you're pooping? Right?
Speaker 1: But what many TikTok uses might not realize is TikTok
Speaker 1: is owned by a Chinese company, and now we're finding
Speaker 1: out that while you're watching videos of people dancing, China
Speaker 1: might be watching you. Linked audio from social media company
Speaker 1: TikTok's internal meetings suggested Beijing has repeatedly access data from
Speaker 1: users here in the US. The recording suggests that TikTok
Speaker 1: is falling down on its promise to wall off a
Speaker 1: mare can's data from its Chinese parent company, with one
Speaker 1: of the apps researchers telling colleagues quote, I get my
Speaker 1: instructions from the main office in Beijang. Oh no, China
Speaker 1: secretly watching all of us on TikTok. Now they're gonna know. Oh,
Speaker 1: money doesn't jiggle, jiggle, it folds. But yeah. Based on
Speaker 1: these audio, leagues, it looks like TikTok's parent company in
Speaker 1: China actually does have access to our private data, which
Speaker 1: means the Chinese government probably has access to our private data,
Speaker 1: which is scary because TikTok knows everything about you, tracks
Speaker 1: what you watch, what you like, and then only shows
Speaker 1: you that stuff. Like if you asked me to see
Speaker 1: my four you page, I'll be like whoa, whoa, wha,
Speaker 1: that's too personal. Yeah, just look at my nudes instead. Actually,
Speaker 1: that's a mini Cooke. And that's why, if you remember,
Speaker 1: Donald Trump was trying to ban TikTok a couple of
Speaker 1: years ago, right because the US government realized that China
Speaker 1: could use this as a tool to influence Americans, and
Speaker 1: all because Eric kept trying to send him friend requests.
Speaker 1: And you know, it's a little crazy how we're so
Speaker 1: hooked on social media that governments don't even need to
Speaker 1: steal our data anymore. All right, we'll just give it
Speaker 1: to them. Like back in the day they have to
Speaker 1: hack into a database or break into the Social Security building.
Speaker 1: Now we're just giving it to them for free. And
Speaker 1: I blame myself. I'm part of this problem. I also
Speaker 1: took part in that personal Information challenge. That was a
Speaker 1: big mistake. I hope I go viral. All right, let's
Speaker 1: move on from all the data that you're putting into TikTok.
Speaker 1: Told the data that's coming out of the January six hearings,
Speaker 1: the investigation that will somehow results in less punishment than
Speaker 1: the Oscar slap. Last week, we learned mostly about how
Speaker 1: Trump knew that he had lost. Then we learned about
Speaker 1: how Mike Pence almost got hanged, and today's session was
Speaker 1: all about how President Trump and his allies tried to
Speaker 1: pressure state officials to sign on to his various schemes
Speaker 1: for overturning the election, everything from throwing out Biden votes
Speaker 1: to creating slates of fake electors to even eating the
Speaker 1: constitution really fast before anyone could look up the election lass.
Speaker 1: And one of the people Trump depended on most in
Speaker 1: this pressure campaign was Rudy Giuliani, his personal lawyer and
Speaker 1: final boss in a resident evil game. Unfortunately, it seemed
Speaker 1: like no one wanted to take Rudy's calls. Pennsylvania House
Speaker 1: Speaker Brian Cutler received daily voicemails from Trump's lawyers in
Speaker 1: the last week of November. Mr Speaker, this is Rudy
Speaker 1: Ciliani and Janet Ellis. We're calling you together because we
Speaker 1: likely discussed obviously the election day. Brian. It's Rudy. It
Speaker 1: really has something important to call your attention. I think
Speaker 1: really changes things. Cutler felt that the outreach was inappropriate
Speaker 1: and asked his lawyers to tell Rudy Giuliani to stop calling,
Speaker 1: but Giuliani continued to reach out. I understand that you
Speaker 1: don't want to talk to me now, like you just
Speaker 1: want to bring some facts to your attention and talk
Speaker 1: to you as a fellow Republican. Oh wow, that's desperate.
Speaker 1: And Rudy made so many uno some calls. The iPhone
Speaker 1: just started labeling him as spam. Yeah, and not just
Speaker 1: his calls, his body it's spam. Can we ack knowledge?
Speaker 1: Want to fool? This has been huh? This man went
Speaker 1: from being an American hero so now sounding like a
Speaker 1: telemarketer selling a coup. If you want to now, I'll
Speaker 1: throw in that chair Abraham Lincoln is sitting on. Yeah, hello, hello, hello.
Speaker 1: And you know, this is just another example of how
Speaker 1: historic President Trump really was. Any other time in US history,
Speaker 1: if the residents lawyer called someone, they would take that call.
Speaker 1: But when Trump's vampire lawyer called people, everyone was like,
Speaker 1: tell him I'm not here. Yeah, tell him I went
Speaker 1: camping and I died. Abey ate my face, tell him
Speaker 1: I'm not here. Also, not that I'm encouraging it, because
Speaker 1: I'm not. But if you are going to try and
Speaker 1: overturn an election, maybe don't leave voicemails. It's a paper trail. Also,
Speaker 1: it's two text who leaves voice mails? You realize how first,
Speaker 1: are you coming off? Hey, it's me again. Come on, Rudy,
Speaker 1: just hit him with a quick late night You up
Speaker 1: for subverting democracy at pont emoji, red hat emoji, vampire emoji.
Speaker 1: Come on, Rudy, keep up at the times. All right,
Speaker 1: but let's move on. It has now been almost a
Speaker 1: month since the tragic school shooting in Uvaldi, and while
Speaker 1: shoot things like this are always traumatic, this particular one
Speaker 1: has been made worse by how the police in Uvaldi
Speaker 1: have responded. Right, they didn't go in, They waited for
Speaker 1: an hour, and then they even stopped parents from trying
Speaker 1: to save their own kids. And if that wasn't bad enough,
Speaker 1: they've been trying to block information about that day from
Speaker 1: coming out, and each time more information comes out we
Speaker 1: learn why. This morning, the first surveillance image from inside
Speaker 1: rob Elementary emerges, The photos showing multiple police officers standing
Speaker 1: inside the building with rifles and at least one ballistic
Speaker 1: shield nineteen minutes after the gunmen entered. This despite school
Speaker 1: police Chief Pete out of than those original claim that
Speaker 1: the officers weren't properly armed to take down the gunmen
Speaker 1: at that point, officers didn't enter the classroom and kill
Speaker 1: the shooter until fifty eight minutes later, the States Director
Speaker 1: of Public Safety, Stephen McCraw, testifying before lawmakers, lasting law
Speaker 1: enforcement's response as his department's investigation uncovers new evidence about
Speaker 1: the massacre. He says officers were waiting for keys to enter,
Speaker 1: but investigators finding the door couldn't be locked from the inside,
Speaker 1: and saying that officers never even tried opening it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, this story just keeps getting worse and worse.
Speaker 1: Every single time we learned something, it gets worse and worse.
Speaker 1: We already knew that they waited far too long to
Speaker 1: confront the shooter, but now we found out that they
Speaker 1: lied about not having enough weapons to go in, because
Speaker 1: it turns out they had assault rifles, they had body
Speaker 1: armor and ballistic shields. So I'm sorry, what else are
Speaker 1: they waiting for? The invincible staff from Mario? What was
Speaker 1: that huh in the room? Like? How do they not
Speaker 1: go in? You know? Which is, by the way, another
Speaker 1: thing that we've learned. They didn't even try to get
Speaker 1: in the classroom, didn't even try. They told everyone that
Speaker 1: they had to wait for a key because the door
Speaker 1: was locked, But the door wasn't locked. They just never
Speaker 1: tried to open it, which which is ridiculous. Even people
Speaker 1: wait to outside like a lock bothroom at Starbucks will
Speaker 1: jiggle the handle after two minutes just to be sure. Sure,
Speaker 1: they'll try. But it turns out these cops couldn't do
Speaker 1: what Like what will what the dinosaurs in Jurassic Park
Speaker 1: took five minutes to learn? They couldn't do that, just that.
Speaker 1: And you know what's insane about this whole story is
Speaker 1: how the one time, the one time it would have
Speaker 1: been appropriate to go in guns blazing, the cops decide
Speaker 1: to have a picnic outside. Yeah, but if you're black
Speaker 1: or you have a broken tail, like oh, then all
Speaker 1: of a sudden they go old rambo on your ass.
Speaker 1: Are we're coming in? We're coming in. It's another reminder
Speaker 1: that you can't just trust what the police say. Like
Speaker 1: this is one of the clearest reminders. Yes the police,
Speaker 1: yes you respect them, but it doesn't mean you just
Speaker 1: trust every single thing that they say. After an incident,
Speaker 1: journalists shouldn't be reporting what the police said. They should
Speaker 1: be investigating what actually happened. Because time and time again,
Speaker 1: time and time again, we learned the cops in America
Speaker 1: they basically used the same principle as toddlers. They'll tell
Speaker 1: the truth, but only if it doesn't get them in trouble. No,
Speaker 1: mommy to cookies trying to eat me. I was just
Speaker 1: responding and no, my body camera wasn't working. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: turned it off, all right. Finally, let's move on to
Speaker 1: some lights and news. A lot of exciting stuff happened
Speaker 1: this weekend. Drake dropped a surprise new album, Beyonce dropped
Speaker 1: a new single, and not to be outdone, President Biden
Speaker 1: had a drop of his own. A scare for President
Speaker 1: Biden today and when he fell off his bicycle in
Speaker 1: Rohobeth Beach, Delaware, The seventy nine year old was stopping
Speaker 1: to talk to reporters when you see there, his foot
Speaker 1: got caught in the pedal guard as he was dismounting
Speaker 1: his bike. He quickly got to his feet. Later, on
Speaker 1: his way out of church, the President repeated that he
Speaker 1: was doing just fine and hopped in place several times
Speaker 1: to prove it. Oh, President Biden, that that's just embarrassing.
Speaker 1: He was just standing and the bike fell over, And
Speaker 1: you know, it's actually too bad because before he fell
Speaker 1: over he was looking kind of good. Yeah, all of
Speaker 1: us were like, wow, look at him riding that bike
Speaker 1: and he's eighty years old. And then he stops and
Speaker 1: falls and we're like, oh, yeah, he's eighty years old.
Speaker 1: He's eighty years old. And you know, it's not just
Speaker 1: the falling off of the bike that isn't moving, but
Speaker 1: it's the fact that he thought that hopping. I was
Speaker 1: going to reassure Americans that he still got it, you know,
Speaker 1: that little no, because you can see what you can
Speaker 1: see when he was hopping. In his mind, he looked
Speaker 1: like creed. He was like, yeah, and look at me go,
Speaker 1: look at me go, when in fact it's hopping. Looked
Speaker 1: like you know, when someone is trying to escape a
Speaker 1: kidnapper who tied their legs together. Was like that. Now,
Speaker 1: apparently the reason he fell is because his foot got
Speaker 1: caught in the pedal cage. Knowing America means that right now,
Speaker 1: that bicycle it's already at Guantanamo Bay. Who do you
Speaker 1: work for? Are the Taliban? China, Russia? Kamala Ah? The
Speaker 1: silent treatment? Huh okay, that's how you want to play it, Well,
Speaker 1: you better start talking soon. By the time I'm done
Speaker 1: with you, you'll be on one speed don't get slot
Speaker 1: with me, you asshole. Still though, falling down is always
Speaker 1: an embarrassing thing to happen to anyone, never mind the presidents,
Speaker 1: which is why former presidents Donald Jolly Trump he made
Speaker 1: shorts away in. One of the greatest travesties of all
Speaker 1: is to see a person in the right house who,
Speaker 1: even after years of political experience, has absolutely no clue
Speaker 1: how to be the president of the United States. And
Speaker 1: I hope he has recovered because, as you know, he
Speaker 1: fell off his bicycle today. No I'm serious, I hope
Speaker 1: he's okay, fell off a bicycle. I make this pledge
Speaker 1: to you today, I will never ever ride a bicycle.
Speaker 1: Every bicycle in the world. Read the collective side of relief.
Speaker 1: He's not gonna write us, guys, You're not gonna write us,
Speaker 1: Thank God. All right, that's it for the headlines. But
Speaker 1: before we go to a quick break, let's check in
Speaker 1: on the stock market without finance expert Michael cost to everybody.
Speaker 1: What to see you again, Nice to see him. What's uh,
Speaker 1: what's happening in the market today, Mike? Well, I am crushing,
Speaker 1: so you say, I mean today I am crushing and
Speaker 1: I got a hot tip I got a hot tip
Speaker 1: for you. I got a hot tip for you, and
Speaker 1: I got a hot tip for you, So pay attention. So, um,
Speaker 1: this chart actually before that President Biden, you know, falling
Speaker 1: off a stop bicycle. I mean he did the hard stuff.
Speaker 1: You know, you did the hard stuff. That'd be like
Speaker 1: if you were getting ready to go skydiving, and and
Speaker 1: you do the training. You pack your bag, you pack
Speaker 1: your parachute, You get in the airplane, you take off,
Speaker 1: you jump out of thirty thousand feet, you pull the
Speaker 1: rip cord, the parachute opens, you land safely, You disconnect
Speaker 1: the parachute from your bag. You you take a deep breath,
Speaker 1: and you pull out a knife and stab yourself in
Speaker 1: the head. I mean, what the art? Okay, So thank
Speaker 1: you to the untrained eyes such as yourself and such
Speaker 1: as yourself. This looks like a stock chart, but actually
Speaker 1: what this is is our confidence in President Biden. Okay.
Speaker 1: Now this is when he fell off a stopped bicycle, okay,
Speaker 1: and it went low. This scared the hell out of
Speaker 1: all of us. Okay. Now, these three little dips right here,
Speaker 1: that's when he did those, you know, three little jumps.
Speaker 1: Is he gonna break his leg? Is he gonna pull
Speaker 1: a hamstring? Is he gonna tear his a c up? Now?
Speaker 1: Once he got home, sat in a chair, was surrounded
Speaker 1: by secret service, the confidence began to rise. Speaking of
Speaker 1: rising tech, Okay, up, big time, SMP five hundred Okay,
Speaker 1: this is tech. If you don't know, SMP stands for
Speaker 1: surge and protectors. Okay, And if you want to be
Speaker 1: successful in tech, you need at least five hundred surge
Speaker 1: protectors to be a successful company. That's why those small
Speaker 1: businesses I don't use a lot of electricity, never really
Speaker 1: seemed to make it. Don't forget I'm an expert here
Speaker 1: at Trevor Okay, yeah, yeah, speaking of tech. Uh, and
Speaker 1: I got a hot tip coming for you. I forgot.
Speaker 1: It's gonna go just it's gonna come. So that TikTok story,
Speaker 1: right that China? Yeah trying. I mean, what does China
Speaker 1: think we are as Americans just so lazy that all
Speaker 1: we care about our followers, you know, not our own
Speaker 1: privacy and its subjects like that that I talked about
Speaker 1: at my TikTok at Michael Costa Underscore, make sure you
Speaker 1: give it a follow now. Don't forget that was leaked audio.
Speaker 1: We know about this because of TikTok's leaked audio, right
Speaker 1: audio that I did a lip sync video too on
Speaker 1: my TikTok which is at Michael Costa Underscore. Make sure
Speaker 1: you follow and like. Now, Look, if you're as outraged
Speaker 1: about this as I am, I think we all need
Speaker 1: to send a message to the Beijing authorities. Okay, So
Speaker 1: here's how we're gonna do that. Grab your phone or
Speaker 1: your computer. Go to h T t P Colan Backslash, Backslash,
Speaker 1: tiktom dot com. Okay, and you find Michael Costa Underscore.
Speaker 1: Follow me, go to one of my videos, leave a message,
Speaker 1: and we will not be silence and I will let
Speaker 1: Beijing know that. Okay, got it ready for the hot time?
Speaker 1: Can we come right? Trying to get you follows on TikTok,
Speaker 1: I've been giving a lot of hot tips, and frankly,
Speaker 1: I'm sticking tired of giving these hot tips away for free,
Speaker 1: So I left mine today on my TikTok page at
Speaker 1: Michael Costa Underscore. You won't regret it. Thanks for the followup, Trevor. Okay,
Speaker 1: sounds good. I feel like that was a waste of
Speaker 1: our time, all right, don't go away because when we
Speaker 1: come back, don't say sloan, We'll tell us how corporate
Speaker 1: America learned to love day people. You don't want to,
Speaker 1: Sup's gonna pick Welcome back to the Day Show. June
Speaker 1: is quite month or I just called in a state
Speaker 1: of Florida. But while you're out there celebrating Pride, don't
Speaker 1: forget that some of its biggest supporters weren't always on
Speaker 1: its side. For more, we turned to Dulce Sloan for
Speaker 1: another installment of dul saying hello friends. It's June, which
Speaker 1: means it's the first month of the year where it's
Speaker 1: just hot enough outside to not be sexy. But in America,
Speaker 1: we know June also means gay pridemn. So I want
Speaker 1: to wish everyone abbey pride and I'm not the only one.
Speaker 1: This year, it feels like every damn company with the
Speaker 1: logo is going full rainbow. You've probably seen these ads
Speaker 1: like Burger King offering whoppers with two top buns and
Speaker 1: two bottom buns. Listen, it's still bread, and every gay man,
Speaker 1: I know it's not eating bread in the summer. They're
Speaker 1: doing keto and crunches until October. But don't forget companies
Speaker 1: weren't always jumping on the Pride float looking like a
Speaker 1: Lisa Frank trapper keeper. When the gay rights movement first
Speaker 1: began in nineteen sixty nine, most companies were too afraid
Speaker 1: to advertise to gay people. They didn't want to offend
Speaker 1: the rest of America, especially religious conservatives. They were so uptight.
Speaker 1: They thought pretzels are too sexy, all those twists, Oh
Speaker 1: it's so sinful. So companies kept their distance, except for
Speaker 1: Absolute Vodka. Absolute was one of the first big company
Speaker 1: needs to market to the clear communities because those suites
Speaker 1: don't give a ship about the religious right. They were like,
Speaker 1: who cares if the right doesn't like us? All they
Speaker 1: drink his milk. So thanks to Absolute for being a
Speaker 1: true ally. It's a good year. I didn't drink the
Speaker 1: whole day because I gotta work, meaning after this, and
Speaker 1: they said, I got to be sober this time. Anyway,
Speaker 1: As gay people became more visible in society, some advertisers
Speaker 1: slowly started reaching out into the community, until the AIDS
Speaker 1: epidemic blew up. That's sick companies flame for the hills again.
Speaker 1: Oh no, what if the gay is look at our ads?
Speaker 1: Is that how you get Earth. But you know what
Speaker 1: company doubled down on their advertising during the AIDS crisis,
Speaker 1: That's right, absolute Voca A second half got a kick?
Speaker 1: Damn all right? Where was that? Right? By the ninety
Speaker 1: nine is the queer community had once again fought its
Speaker 1: way into greater acceptance, So brands once again tried to
Speaker 1: dip their toes into the pool party, but they were
Speaker 1: still too nervous to jump all the way in so
Speaker 1: American advertising into the phase now known as gay they,
Speaker 1: which sounds a lot like being in a fraternity. Basically,
Speaker 1: it was companies hinting at possible homosexuality, like this vokswagon
Speaker 1: add were two dudes are driving in a car and
Speaker 1: then pick up this dirty ass share off the sidewalk.
Speaker 1: So the ad leaves it open to interpretation. Are they roommates?
Speaker 1: Are are they roommate lovers? Because that's the worst kind
Speaker 1: of hook up. You gotta wait for them to text
Speaker 1: you back and finish up in the bathroom. Now, a
Speaker 1: few times during this era a brand tried to make
Speaker 1: an outright gay ad like Benaton and I Kid, and
Speaker 1: the ad completely one over the religious right and they
Speaker 1: apologized for everything. Psych one Ikea in Long Island even
Speaker 1: got a bomb threat. What is wrong with these religious fanatics?
Speaker 1: They know the furniture isn't gay, right. Plus, if there's
Speaker 1: one place that can reassemble after a bombing, it's an idea.
Speaker 1: Unfortunately for the religious right, but luckily for everyone else,
Speaker 1: their time was ended. Over the next two decades, Americans
Speaker 1: started to realize that gay people were just the same
Speaker 1: as everyone else, except with better apps, and as popular
Speaker 1: opinion improved, companies finally felt it was safe enough to
Speaker 1: take gay money, and this time it was major brands.
Speaker 1: Amazon started advertising the gay people, Coca Cola air the
Speaker 1: commercial with two dads during the Super Bowl, and Just
Speaker 1: Salad even had a big gay salad which come on
Speaker 1: that was just a regular salad at least saw some
Speaker 1: glittering in it. And that brings us to today when
Speaker 1: practically every company has pride my marketing. But just because
Speaker 1: every June of business acts like they're auditioning for Joseph
Speaker 1: and the Amazing Technicolor Dreamcoat, it doesn't mean their values
Speaker 1: line up with their tweets. Take a T and T
Speaker 1: for examples. They love to show everyone how much they
Speaker 1: support pride while also giving one million dollars to anti
Speaker 1: LGBTQ politicians and packs, or how retailers like H and
Speaker 1: M or launching Pride collections with items made in countries
Speaker 1: that criminalize homosexuality, which is another reason where in this
Speaker 1: ugly ass top should be a crime. And they aren't
Speaker 1: the only hypocrites donating to anti queer causes. But hey,
Speaker 1: why go through all the trouble of listening them here?
Speaker 1: I'm no hater? Oh that one too? Okay, are we done? Listen?
Speaker 1: Let's make it the sense. The point is, enjoy all
Speaker 1: those gay whoppers and paint toil it is, But don't
Speaker 1: forget what this month is about. Pride to the time
Speaker 1: to celebrate the right to love who you want, and
Speaker 1: to honor the people who fought to give us that
Speaker 1: right back when no brand was on their side. Examt
Speaker 1: for absolute mh. You know what? What are those gay
Speaker 1: whopper sounds real good about? Now? I'm dizzy? Thank you
Speaker 1: so much for that. Don't say sling all right? When
Speaker 1: we come back. Katie Turle with a journey up on
Speaker 1: the show you don't want to Missay talking about from
Speaker 1: the day show My Deest Life is an award winning
Speaker 1: journalist and MSNBC anchor who writes about chasing news at
Speaker 1: an early age and her pioneering helicopter journalist parents in
Speaker 1: her new memoir called Rough Draft. Please welcome Katie Turco
Speaker 1: back to Katie Turf, Welcome back to the show. Thank
Speaker 1: you so much for having me. It's exciting to be here.
Speaker 1: It is. It's exciting to have you because you know,
Speaker 1: your last book went on to become a New York
Speaker 1: Times bestseller. Congratulations, kids. I feel like this book has
Speaker 1: has the same in store, and I think for a
Speaker 1: slightly different reason. You know, many people have seen you
Speaker 1: on MSNBC. People have seen you on the campaign trail
Speaker 1: covering Donald Trump, and you know, changing what you do
Speaker 1: on your show these days. But this book takes us
Speaker 1: through one of the most harrowing childhoods that's filled with
Speaker 1: you know, moments of joy, moments of pain, moments of terror. Really,
Speaker 1: and I think let's let's start at the beginning to
Speaker 1: situate people. Everyone talks about helicopter parents, but you mean
Speaker 1: actual helicopter parents. When you you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: everyone goes id, No, you had helicopter parents. Just explained
Speaker 1: that for the people to under parents. My dad was
Speaker 1: a helicopter pilot, and my parents had a helicopter news
Speaker 1: gathering company, and I grew up in the helicopter. I
Speaker 1: spent more time in the helicopter than I did in
Speaker 1: my own bed. I would fly the helicopter alongside my dad.
Speaker 1: I developed an unhealthy obsession with backyard pools because in
Speaker 1: Los Angeles, everybody had a backyard pool, it seemed, except me,
Speaker 1: and you were just the person in the helicopter. You
Speaker 1: know what's interesting about your story is, in many ways,
Speaker 1: I feel like it tracks news in America. You know
Speaker 1: where you were as a child. You were at what
Speaker 1: many would argue was the beginning of the cycle, the
Speaker 1: o J Chase. That was your dad and my mom. Yeah, right,
Speaker 1: following that that, you know, and then your mom is there.
Speaker 1: Everyone's working the cameras. My mom is hanging out of
Speaker 1: the helicopter with a camera on her shoulder quite literally,
Speaker 1: just strapped in with a belt, looking down at the
Speaker 1: ground which is a thousand five feet below her. The
Speaker 1: o J Chase. They were the first ones to get that.
Speaker 1: The Reginald Denny beating during the Riots, Stanley Riots, the
Speaker 1: guy that got pulled out of the red truck and
Speaker 1: beaten to within an inch of his life. Any police
Speaker 1: pursuit you saw in Los Angeles in the nineties and
Speaker 1: the late eighties, Madonna giving the camera the bird on
Speaker 1: her wedding day to shot men. My parents shot that.
Speaker 1: It feels it feels like in many ways that was
Speaker 1: the I don't want to say like your your your
Speaker 1: parents invented that, but that was sort of their style,
Speaker 1: you know that that was a thing he did sort
Speaker 1: of invented. Actually, so they were if they didn't cover
Speaker 1: the very first police pursuit, it was the second, and
Speaker 1: they were the ones that popularized it. They were the
Speaker 1: ones that that changed the way news was covered in
Speaker 1: Los Angeles and then the country, and then you could
Speaker 1: argue the world it was breaking in the moment, it
Speaker 1: was now now now context needed blow out everything and
Speaker 1: cover this for as long as we can. You know,
Speaker 1: it was an easy decision going forward, whatever was happening,
Speaker 1: It didn't matter if there was a chase going on,
Speaker 1: go to that chase, people will watch. It feels like
Speaker 1: there's one part of us that's like eternally grateful to
Speaker 1: your parents for you know, starting this trend, and oh,
Speaker 1: we get to see what's happening. On the other hand,
Speaker 1: it feels like this became the drug, that news became addictive.
Speaker 1: It is a double edged sword because they captured things
Speaker 1: that you were not supposed to see. They captured the
Speaker 1: police brutally beating immigrants on the side of the highway.
Speaker 1: I mean stuff that the police would have gotten away
Speaker 1: with had my parents not been there. So they did
Speaker 1: some incredible things, and they want all the awards that
Speaker 1: there are to win. But they you could say arguably
Speaker 1: that they were responsible for the downfall of local news,
Speaker 1: maybe the downfall of national news, the addiction to reality
Speaker 1: TV as news. And I do think you could draw
Speaker 1: a straight line from the way we covered pursuits back
Speaker 1: then to the way we covered Donald Trump in and
Speaker 1: the way we cover politics now. Yeah, it seems like
Speaker 1: it's all about them now, it's all about what's unfolding.
Speaker 1: Nobody takes time anymore. Don't digest it, just put it
Speaker 1: on the air. Do you ever feel pressure as a
Speaker 1: journalist to be in that space because you're on MSNBC,
Speaker 1: it is twenty four hours, everything is happening live. How
Speaker 1: do you how do you find that balance between waiting
Speaker 1: for more information whilst also telling the people what's happening.
Speaker 1: I think we're learning in real time right now, and
Speaker 1: I do think we are learning from our mistakes. Um.
Speaker 1: I write about in this book the Bar summary. Uh,
Speaker 1: you know when A. G. Bar came out and he
Speaker 1: gave the summary of the Mueller Report, which was ended
Speaker 1: up being weeks before the Muller Report came out, and
Speaker 1: so he gives us the summary on a Sunday, and
Speaker 1: it is misleading, as we know right now. It didn't
Speaker 1: have any of the underlying evidence. But because we were
Speaker 1: covering it live, live, live, we went to air with
Speaker 1: it and essentially became a pawn in a political document
Speaker 1: that then had a head start for the truth in
Speaker 1: front of the truth for weeks. The problem that we
Speaker 1: face right now is that there is a part of
Speaker 1: the country that has demonized journalists and has said that
Speaker 1: we only report one thing, we only want the outcome
Speaker 1: to be a certain way. So say we didn't go
Speaker 1: up with the Bar report, and other people did, Fox
Speaker 1: News did, or other outlets on the right, Bright Bart, etcetera.
Speaker 1: And we didn't, and we said we're going to wait
Speaker 1: until we get the full context of it. They would
Speaker 1: have used that as fodder to say hey, listen, we're
Speaker 1: not going to report on something that was good for
Speaker 1: Donald Trump. Right, It's damned if you do, damned if
Speaker 1: you don't. There's another part of the book that I
Speaker 1: feel is particularly pertinent, not just because of the month
Speaker 1: we're in, not just because of the time we're in,
Speaker 1: but because of I think life and relationships as a whole.
Speaker 1: And it's you talking about your relationship with your father
Speaker 1: who transitioned and came out as transgender. I don't think
Speaker 1: I've I've written account from a person that is as
Speaker 1: personal as as as yours is, because you talk about
Speaker 1: being raised by a father who was you know, self struggled,
Speaker 1: rage like real anger to towards you. It was an
Speaker 1: abusive household to be and you were terrified as a child.
Speaker 1: And then you have this moment where your dad says, hey, no,
Speaker 1: I'm now she and call me Hannah, and it becomes
Speaker 1: this whole journey and then asks you to throw away
Speaker 1: the old memories of another person and just live with
Speaker 1: somebody new. It's a it's very like layered question. But
Speaker 1: what do you think we can all learn? What? How
Speaker 1: did you navigate what has to be one of the
Speaker 1: most confusing issues happening in society. It was very confusing
Speaker 1: in the moment, and what made it confusing is that
Speaker 1: life is complicated and childhood's are complicated, and mine was
Speaker 1: especially complicated for distinct reasons. I loved my childhood. It
Speaker 1: was so much fun and there was so much love
Speaker 1: within my family, but it was also incredibly scary. At times.
Speaker 1: My dad, as you said, would fly into rages. There
Speaker 1: would be holes in the walls of our house that we,
Speaker 1: as little kids, would plaster over to cover up. Um.
Speaker 1: You know, I hid in the bathroom one time for
Speaker 1: hours because I was afraid of what my dad might do. Um.
Speaker 1: He threw things at my mother. And then when he
Speaker 1: called me, and I use he very specifically because in
Speaker 1: that moment, my dad was still he to me when
Speaker 1: he called to say, I am not a he, I'm
Speaker 1: a she. My name is not Bob to her. Bob
Speaker 1: to her is dead. Literally Bob to HER's dad is
Speaker 1: what he said. I'm Hannah, And we can throw away
Speaker 1: everything that happened in the past. All of that is gone.
Speaker 1: That's where the rage came from. The rage will now
Speaker 1: be gone. I had a hard time with that, and
Speaker 1: it because of the of the content of what my
Speaker 1: dad was telling me, and the fact that my dad
Speaker 1: had been living this life for so long. It made
Speaker 1: it even harder to to navigate, because, on the one hand,
Speaker 1: how awful for my dad, How horrible to have to
Speaker 1: live alive for that long and to not be your
Speaker 1: true self, and and of course that's going to make
Speaker 1: you a wound up person, and it's gonna it's gonna
Speaker 1: break you in some ways. But you were also my father,
Speaker 1: and you were also somebody who has done a lot
Speaker 1: of bad things to us and me my mother, and
Speaker 1: I can't just throw that away. I don't have the
Speaker 1: ability to just forget those memories. And I tried to
Speaker 1: bring that up and it just didn't go well. It
Speaker 1: didn't go well. My dad didn't want to confront it,
Speaker 1: and I didn't want to let it go, and so
Speaker 1: now now we're estranged, and it sucks. I think what
Speaker 1: I appreciated most about it was it took an issue
Speaker 1: that many people are trying to turn into this homogeneous blob,
Speaker 1: and it showed us how many individuals are involved in
Speaker 1: all the stories. You know, people talk about trans people
Speaker 1: as if it is one human being that is doing
Speaker 1: certain things when I talk about gay people as it
Speaker 1: and this showed you there are many stories, there are
Speaker 1: many people, there many complications. People, people are people. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's it's a really fascinating book. Um, you shared so much.
Speaker 1: I think everybody is really gonna love reading it. For journalism,
Speaker 1: for life, for families, for everything. Thank you so much
Speaker 1: for joining me on the show. Appreciate Pater Memoir rough
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