WEBVTT - FairT - HOF comps, Roki's reason, Angels done?

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<v Speaker 1>If I let this guy in, then I might have

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<v Speaker 1>to have a case or possibility of supporting this guy,

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<v Speaker 1>this guy, this guy, and this guy. And that is

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<v Speaker 1>one of the quandaries voters face sometimes.

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<v Speaker 2>I think they just put these things out there to

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<v Speaker 2>get a rise out of us, and it worked.

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome everyone to the Thursday edition of Fair Territory. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>Ken Rosenthal here with Alta Rizzo Alto. We still have

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<v Speaker 1>a ton of free agents still out there, Pete Alonzo,

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<v Speaker 1>Alex Bregman, Jack Flaherty, Nick Paveta, to name a few,

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<v Speaker 1>but we're not going to talk about those guys today.

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<v Speaker 1>We have some other things in store.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, Ken, Grett to be with you as always.

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<v Speaker 2>By the way, Jack Flaherty is making an appearance on

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<v Speaker 2>Foul Territory right after our show ends at one pm Eastern,

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<v Speaker 2>So check out what Jack has to say, perhaps maybe

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<v Speaker 2>giving us some insight on his free agency. But you're right,

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<v Speaker 2>no news right now on Alonzo and Bregman, but there

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<v Speaker 2>is news as far as Roki Sisaki is concerned. Ken

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<v Speaker 2>the Dodger's making an official He had his press conference yesterday.

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<v Speaker 2>Another Japanese ace in that rotation.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, and a lot of the most interesting things to

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<v Speaker 1>come out of that news conference for me, besides him

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<v Speaker 1>talking about wanting to have milkshakes and hamburgers, was what

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<v Speaker 1>he said was the principal reason he chose the Dodgers,

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<v Speaker 1>And what he said was the stability of the front office. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>there's been a lot of talk was this in the

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<v Speaker 1>bag all along for the Dodgers? Was this always the

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<v Speaker 1>way it was going to go? But if you look

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<v Speaker 1>at the three finalists, and there's the quote from Sasaki,

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<v Speaker 1>the stability of the front office was a part of

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<v Speaker 1>what resonated within the Dodgers pitch. Okay, if you look

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<v Speaker 1>at the three finalists, the Blue Jays, the Padres, the Dodgers, well,

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<v Speaker 1>the Dodgers' front office clearly is the most stable. And

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<v Speaker 1>if you remember, shoe Otani had that clause inserted into

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<v Speaker 1>his contract that if ownership changes or if Andrew Friedman leaves,

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<v Speaker 1>he can go. So from that perspective, when you consider

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<v Speaker 1>where the Blue Jays are and where the Padres are,

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<v Speaker 1>it's understandable why Susaki made the decision he did. The

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<v Speaker 1>reason he made it was because he felt clearly that

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<v Speaker 1>it was more stable in Los Angeles. What is happening

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<v Speaker 1>right now. In Toronto, you have Mark Schapiro, the team president,

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<v Speaker 1>in the final year of his contract. You have Ross

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<v Speaker 1>Atkins the general manager with two years left, and there

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<v Speaker 1>are a lot of questions about whether these guys are

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<v Speaker 1>going to be there for the long term. In San Diego,

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<v Speaker 1>we all know there's an ownership question. There is a

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<v Speaker 1>fight going on between the late Peter Siedler's widow and

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<v Speaker 1>his brothers for control of the team. So it's unstable

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<v Speaker 1>the situation there. And for that reason, if that is

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<v Speaker 1>indeed something that swayed Sasaki, you can understand it.

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<v Speaker 2>And you can also understand too why he would like

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<v Speaker 2>to some certainty. Obviously, coming to the United States, having

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<v Speaker 2>to learn the whole system and the culture here, having

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<v Speaker 2>some certainty of the team that he's going to probably

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<v Speaker 2>makes him feel a little bit better. Let's talk about

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<v Speaker 2>Jack Flaherty really quick. kN Not only is he coming

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<v Speaker 2>up on foul territory with the Boys, but he had

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<v Speaker 2>a tweet recently that said a certain team is not

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<v Speaker 2>ruining baseball, a lot of other teams are just doing

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<v Speaker 2>very little. Obviously, we know he's talking about the Los

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<v Speaker 2>Angeles Dodgers, and this was an interesting tweet to me Ken,

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<v Speaker 2>just because obviously I would imagine Jack would like to

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<v Speaker 2>be a part of the Dodgers' rotation. He probably won't

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<v Speaker 2>be at this point, but he doesn't seem to be

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<v Speaker 2>upset with the fact that he's not with them, and

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<v Speaker 2>he understands and appreciates what they're doing right.

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<v Speaker 1>What he is talking about is the industry, not the

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<v Speaker 1>Dodgers per se. He's saying they are operating the way

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<v Speaker 1>a team should operate. And I wrote about this the

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<v Speaker 1>other day. It's not that every team can operate like

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<v Speaker 1>the Dodgers. There's no way. The Dodgers have a financial

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<v Speaker 1>foundation that is unique to them. They've led the league

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<v Speaker 1>in attendance every year since thirteen. They also have an

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<v Speaker 1>eight point five billion dollar television deal that started in

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<v Speaker 1>thirteen over twenty five years, so they have financial advantages

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<v Speaker 1>that no other team, not even the Mets and Yankees can.

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<v Speaker 1>That said, every other team can at least compete in

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<v Speaker 1>a way that it is maximizing its capabilities. And that

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<v Speaker 1>is the complaint that Jack Flaherty has. It's the complaint

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<v Speaker 1>I have. It's the complaint a lot of players have

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<v Speaker 1>with the way the sport is right. Now, there are

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<v Speaker 1>teams out there with money, but they don't want to

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<v Speaker 1>spend that money. Now, they may have reasons for that,

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<v Speaker 1>and certainly the television questions in local markets, with the

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<v Speaker 1>future of the revenue and all of that comes into play.

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<v Speaker 1>We all get that. We all get that circumstances occasionally change.

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<v Speaker 1>But you can't tell me that there are large market teams,

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<v Speaker 1>mid market teams and small market teams that are competing

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<v Speaker 1>to the best of their capabilities. That's not happening with

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<v Speaker 1>all of them. Some of them, yes, But I can

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<v Speaker 1>name teams in each category and did in the column

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<v Speaker 1>that are not simply trying the way they should be.

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<v Speaker 1>And that's the problem. That's what he's talking about.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, no question about that.

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<v Speaker 2>There are some teams can, as you know better than

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<v Speaker 2>anybody of the thirty, that have literally not spent a

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<v Speaker 2>dollar in the off season. We're not asking you to

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<v Speaker 2>compete as high the level as the Dodgers are, but you.

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<v Speaker 3>Can spend some money.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay.

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<v Speaker 2>One thing we know for certain is the three new inductees,

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<v Speaker 2>actually five if you can't the other committee electing Dick

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<v Speaker 2>allen In as well as Dave Parker. But we know

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<v Speaker 2>that cc Sabathia, Billy Wagner, and Ichiro Suzuki Ken are

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<v Speaker 2>headed into Cooperstown. That was just announced a couple of

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<v Speaker 2>days ago. But I want to ask you this, there

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<v Speaker 2>were some comparisons in terms of once a certain player

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<v Speaker 2>gets in, it opens up the case for other players

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<v Speaker 2>that have the same types of numbers to perhaps have

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<v Speaker 2>a bigger consideration. So let's start with this. For one second,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm going to bring up a full screen. I'm going

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<v Speaker 2>to walk you through this Ken the same but different. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>this is a pitching category, okay, So what I'm going

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<v Speaker 2>to ask you is this player A player B, player C.

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<v Speaker 3>So this is a mystery pitcher.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's say, okay, so if you take a look at

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<v Speaker 2>the categories, it's the record at ERA plus strikeouts in

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<v Speaker 2>their career, postseason ERA, and then some of the major accolades. Obviously,

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<v Speaker 2>Cy Young six time All Star is player A. Cy

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<v Speaker 2>Young also with six time All Star is player B.

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<v Speaker 2>In addition to that, though this certain player, Player B,

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<v Speaker 2>this mystery pitcher has six gold gloves. And then you

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<v Speaker 2>have player C. Now that player is a three time

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<v Speaker 2>All Star has a better postseason eer third most in

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<v Speaker 2>terms of strikeouts amongst these three players era plus of

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<v Speaker 2>one seventeen and you can see the record there. Obviously,

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<v Speaker 2>player B has a much different record than A and C.

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<v Speaker 2>But I'll ask you this, ken if you're looking at

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<v Speaker 2>these three players, and I don't know if you can

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<v Speaker 2>see it on your screen, do player B and C?

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<v Speaker 2>Should they also get in? If player A gets in?

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<v Speaker 1>A lot of This is the vexing question that voters face,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's not just this particular comparison. There are a

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<v Speaker 1>number of comparisons, and this is what makes it so difficult.

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<v Speaker 1>Fans will say to me, hey, man, I know who

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<v Speaker 1>a Hall of Famer is, and that guy should be

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<v Speaker 1>in period. Well, the problem with that when you're a

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<v Speaker 1>voter is if you let player A in in this case,

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<v Speaker 1>our player B and player C totally deserving, should they

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<v Speaker 1>be in too? Now maybe the answer for some will

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<v Speaker 1>be yes, but maybe it will be no. And sometimes

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<v Speaker 1>when you open the door and you lower a standard,

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<v Speaker 1>then it becomes more difficult going forward with the vote. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not saying this is some kind of burden on

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<v Speaker 1>the voters. This is what we're supposed to be looking at,

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<v Speaker 1>but it makes it challenging because sometimes and I look

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<v Speaker 1>at this all the time. If I let this guy in,

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<v Speaker 1>then I might have to have a case or at

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<v Speaker 1>least possibility of supporting this guy, this guy, this guy,

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<v Speaker 1>and this guy. And that is one of the quandaries

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<v Speaker 1>of voter's face.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, So then here is the reveal kind if we

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<v Speaker 2>can go back to that screen for just a second. Obviously,

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<v Speaker 2>Zach Grinky is Player B. He did not have two

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<v Speaker 2>hundred and fifty five wins. That would be an unbelievable,

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<v Speaker 2>ridiculous record. So their record there is a little bit skewed.

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<v Speaker 2>But if you look at the fact that C. C.

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<v Speaker 2>Sabathia is PLAYERURA, his record was two fifty one and

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<v Speaker 2>one sixty one. Uh, the strikeouts are over three thousand.

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<v Speaker 2>He has darned near thirty one hundred strikeouts in his

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<v Speaker 2>career postseason era four point three eight. Obviously, a sy

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<v Speaker 2>Young Award winner, six time All Star. He's going in

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<v Speaker 2>as a New York Yankee into the Hall of Fame,

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<v Speaker 2>first time on the ballot, first time, you know, and

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<v Speaker 2>he and he makes it in. Zach Grankie certainly has

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<v Speaker 2>a case. If you look at the era, the amount

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<v Speaker 2>of strikeouts almost three thousand, strikeouts postseason era that's, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>better than CCS and six gold gloves to go with

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<v Speaker 2>the Cy Young Award and the sixth time All Star.

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<v Speaker 2>And then you have the case for Andy Pettitt, obviously

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<v Speaker 2>two fifty six, one fifty three, one seventeen on the

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<v Speaker 2>era strikeouts not quite to twenty five hundred postseason era

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<v Speaker 2>better amongst all three of those guys, and then a

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<v Speaker 2>three time All Star.

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<v Speaker 3>So does the name uh?

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<v Speaker 2>Revealing the name and the team that they played for,

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<v Speaker 2>does that change the opinion?

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<v Speaker 1>The team that they play for is irrelevant? But the

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<v Speaker 1>choice between Sabathia and Pettit for me on this year's

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<v Speaker 1>ballot was very difficult, and I wrote an entire column

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<v Speaker 1>about it because you really could justify a vote for

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<v Speaker 1>Pettit based on CC getting in now. CEC is one

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<v Speaker 1>of only three lefties with two hundred and fifty wins

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<v Speaker 1>and three thousand strikeouts. Randy Johnson and Steve Carlton are

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<v Speaker 1>the others. That's a distinguishing characteristic, and there are others.

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<v Speaker 1>But Pettitt has pitched the most postseason innings of any pitcher,

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<v Speaker 1>and he pitched really well in the postseason. His numbers

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<v Speaker 1>were about the same as they were in the regular season,

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<v Speaker 1>and you can make a case for pettit. I just

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<v Speaker 1>think that CEC had a certain aura about him, that

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<v Speaker 1>great march to the postseason with the Brewers, what he

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<v Speaker 1>did with the Indians now the Guardians, and of course

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<v Speaker 1>his performance with the Yankees two thousand and nine World

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<v Speaker 1>Series and beyond he plus reinvented himself. All of these

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<v Speaker 1>things factored into it for me. For CC, pettit is

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<v Speaker 1>not quite there for me. Now Greenky will be Greenky's

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<v Speaker 1>era plus is the highest of those three, and in fact,

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<v Speaker 1>you could make the case he had the best career

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<v Speaker 1>of those pitchers as well. The gold gloves factor into it.

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<v Speaker 1>But again a lot of the comparisons can be really

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<v Speaker 1>difficult once you get into the meat of the matter.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, no question about that. The reason I asked you

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<v Speaker 2>about the team is some people say that if you're

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<v Speaker 2>a Yankee or a Red Sox, perhaps a car perhaps

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<v Speaker 2>a Cardinal, perhaps a Cub sometimes as a Dodger, maybe

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<v Speaker 2>the writers and you are one of those writers, Ken,

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<v Speaker 2>maybe they give more credence just based on the organization.

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<v Speaker 3>Is that not fair?

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<v Speaker 1>That is fair? I'm sure some writers do do that

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<v Speaker 1>we have a lot of writers voting, and sometimes people

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<v Speaker 1>make decisions based on things they shouldn't be but that

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<v Speaker 1>should not factor into the equation at all where a

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<v Speaker 1>player performs. In many cases, at least for the start

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<v Speaker 1>of his career, a player does not have the choice.

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<v Speaker 1>So I would not get caught up in that at all.

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<v Speaker 1>I do not get caught up in that at all

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<v Speaker 1>as a voter. It doesn't matter to me. Now, yes,

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<v Speaker 1>Andy Pettit had more postseason opportunities. You give him credit

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<v Speaker 1>for that, but you don't penalize others who might not

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<v Speaker 1>have had those chances.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, You shouldn't penalize that grinky because the majority of

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<v Speaker 2>his career really was as a Kansas City Royal, all right?

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<v Speaker 2>Moving on now from a picture category to a outfielder

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<v Speaker 2>category or really a position player category.

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<v Speaker 3>This is hit or miss. Player A.

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<v Speaker 2>You can see what they did there. Player B you

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<v Speaker 2>can see what he did there. Stolen bases obviously ops,

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<v Speaker 2>plus the All Star awards, the Gold Glove awards. You

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<v Speaker 2>can see what both of those players did.

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<v Speaker 3>Now.

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<v Speaker 2>Player A, obviously in hits, has more, the ops is

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<v Speaker 2>identical ken the All Star and the Gold Gloves higher

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<v Speaker 2>for player A. But as far as the stolen bases

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<v Speaker 2>or concerned, player B has more. Let me ask you this,

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<v Speaker 2>does that matter to you?

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<v Speaker 1>This is an interesting one. Now. Player A has the

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<v Speaker 1>better overall resume, and it's not just the hit total,

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<v Speaker 1>and I don't really care about the stolen bases, which

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<v Speaker 1>are close, but player B has the advantage. The player

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<v Speaker 1>A has accomplished more. He did accomplish more in his career.

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<v Speaker 1>Player B is a legit candidate, and he's someone that

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<v Speaker 1>maybe should get more consideration that he's getting. I know

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<v Speaker 1>who the players are. That's why I can say this, all.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, So let's tell everybody else who the players are

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<v Speaker 2>as we do the reveal here on Hit or miss.

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<v Speaker 2>Obviously Player A maybe not obviously, but Ichiro Suzuki, a

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<v Speaker 2>man that can just go by eachiero and you don't

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<v Speaker 2>even have to say his last name. Kenny Lofton, A

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<v Speaker 2>lot of people can comparing the two in terms of

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<v Speaker 2>not identical numbers clearly, and as you mentioned, EACHIO had

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<v Speaker 2>the better overall resume. He was also MVP and Rookie

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<v Speaker 2>of the Year, of course, But Kenny Lofton, I'm wondering

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<v Speaker 2>in your opinion, and now that our audience knows as well.

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<v Speaker 2>Does he deserve more consideration than perhaps he has gotten

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<v Speaker 2>so far.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, if I'm not mistaken, Lofton is off the ballot.

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<v Speaker 1>Let me check that while we're talking. But at the

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<v Speaker 1>same time, centerfielders in general, we have not judged them

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<v Speaker 1>as well as we should have. And it's not just Lofton,

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<v Speaker 1>it's Jim Edmonds, it's Bernie Williams. These guys all fell

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<v Speaker 1>off and it's not right in my opinion. Now, hopefully

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<v Speaker 1>they'll get consideration in the Veterans Committee and those committees

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<v Speaker 1>will consider them in a better way. But I'm looking

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<v Speaker 1>at Kenny Lofton. Now bear with me, folks. I should

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<v Speaker 1>have had this off the tip of my tongue. Kenny

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<v Speaker 1>Lofton in his first year on the ballot. Let's see, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>twenty thirteen, three point two percent of the vote. That's

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<v Speaker 1>not enough. You have to get five percent of the vote.

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<v Speaker 1>And with the era he played in when the ballots

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<v Speaker 1>were being tabulated in those years, I believe he was

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<v Speaker 1>twentieth overall that year. I did check this last night,

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<v Speaker 1>twentieth overall when you can only vote for ten, and

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<v Speaker 1>the reason was the ballot was too crowded. It was

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<v Speaker 1>just overwhelmingly crowded. And guys like that. When we're only

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<v Speaker 1>allowed to vote for ten, and some of us have

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<v Speaker 1>a problem with that, that's a Hall of Fame rule,

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<v Speaker 1>it's not a BBWA rule. When you can only vote

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<v Speaker 1>for ten, you're gonna have guys like this who get shafted.

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe more memorably, Lou Whittaker was the best example of

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<v Speaker 1>all of this. He was one and done. Bernie was

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<v Speaker 1>one and done. Edmonds was one and done. It's not right.

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe Bernie was two. I can't recall exactly, but there

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<v Speaker 1>are some players from that particular era, the twenty tens

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<v Speaker 1>twenty tens, that deserve greater consideration, and Lofton is one

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<v Speaker 1>of them. He's not eight er roo, no one should

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<v Speaker 1>pretend that. But that doesn't mean he's not a Hall

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<v Speaker 1>of Famer, or at least it doesn't mean that he

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<v Speaker 1>should not get more consideration.

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<v Speaker 3>That makes sense.

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<v Speaker 2>Certainly, We're gonna have one more before we get to

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<v Speaker 2>your Grill and Ken questions, So if you have questions

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<v Speaker 2>for Ken, please get them in. We'll try to get

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<v Speaker 2>to those as we can. One more for you, and

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<v Speaker 2>this is going from the outfield to the infield Ken,

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<v Speaker 2>this is a mystery infielder player A. You can see

0:14:46.800 --> 0:14:50.320
<v Speaker 2>the games there. Player B played in more games. Hits

0:14:50.400 --> 0:14:53.320
<v Speaker 2>almost identical. Player A has eighteen oh five and you

0:14:53.360 --> 0:14:57.640
<v Speaker 2>have player B with eighteen eighty five ops. The second

0:14:57.640 --> 0:15:01.640
<v Speaker 2>person a better one postseason ops, second person a better

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<v Speaker 2>one all Star, second person a better one silver Slugger,

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<v Speaker 2>second person a better one gold gloves. Player A has four,

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<v Speaker 2>player B does not. So I ask you this, Ken,

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<v Speaker 2>if you look at these two numbers, one is obviously

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<v Speaker 2>probably going to get in the other we don't know,

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<v Speaker 2>but they're very comparable. So let's go ahead and tell

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<v Speaker 2>me your thoughts on these just looking at the numbers

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<v Speaker 2>before we do the reveal.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, this one is a tough one for me,

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<v Speaker 1>and I'll explain more when we do the reveal. But

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<v Speaker 1>the thing that player B does not have here is

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<v Speaker 1>the volume the player A does. It's four hundred game difference.

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<v Speaker 1>That's more than two seasons. Maybe you say, hey, that

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't matter. It's a ten year peak or a six

0:15:43.400 --> 0:15:46.240
<v Speaker 1>year peak that should matter most. And certainly player B

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<v Speaker 1>in his career accomplished quite a bit. We as voters

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<v Speaker 1>are going to have to tackle this particular issue going forward,

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<v Speaker 1>me in particular because it's one that's really vexed me

0:15:57.240 --> 0:16:01.400
<v Speaker 1>in this particular election. Maybe we need to consider smaller

0:16:01.440 --> 0:16:05.480
<v Speaker 1>sample size players in a greater way than we have traditionally.

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe their careers are shorter now should be influencing the

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<v Speaker 1>way we think a little bit. Now. It could be

0:16:13.320 --> 0:16:15.360
<v Speaker 1>shorter because of an injury. It could be shorter because

0:16:15.360 --> 0:16:17.200
<v Speaker 1>players make more money now they don't have to play

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<v Speaker 1>as long. But that has to come into consideration. But

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<v Speaker 1>let's do the reveal and then I'll explain more.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, So let's do that reveal that Ken just asked for.

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<v Speaker 2>And to me, if I'm looking at these just knowing

0:16:28.280 --> 0:16:31.720
<v Speaker 2>both of these players, to me, they're both all stars.

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<v Speaker 2>Not necessarily can for the numbers, which obviously you have

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<v Speaker 2>to take into consideration, but just for what they meant

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<v Speaker 2>to their team in terms of getting their team to

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<v Speaker 2>the postseason and those types of things as well. So

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<v Speaker 2>Dustin Pejoria, obviously the majority of his career, I think

0:16:46.800 --> 0:16:48.840
<v Speaker 2>all of his career was with the Boston Red Sox.

0:16:48.880 --> 0:16:50.760
<v Speaker 2>Chase that Lee, known as a Philly would go in

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<v Speaker 2>as a Philly, spent the latter part of his year,

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<v Speaker 2>just a couple of years with the Los Angeles Daughters.

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<v Speaker 3>Now you knew this as far as who that was.

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<v Speaker 2>How do you look at these two players as Hall

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<v Speaker 2>of Fame worthy if in fact you.

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<v Speaker 1>Do, I do. I voted for Utley, did not vote

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<v Speaker 1>for Pedroia, and Pedroia is one that again I'm going

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<v Speaker 1>to have to keep looking at and considering because he's

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit of an unusual case. His career essentially

0:17:18.080 --> 0:17:20.879
<v Speaker 1>ended because of an injury the Manna Machado slide caused

0:17:21.119 --> 0:17:24.840
<v Speaker 1>knee problems that he just never could overcome. Should that

0:17:25.320 --> 0:17:27.800
<v Speaker 1>penalize him in the Hall of Fame voting? And my

0:17:27.920 --> 0:17:30.960
<v Speaker 1>answer to you would be, really, it shouldn't, right. But

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<v Speaker 1>here's the problem, And I go back to Kirby Pucket.

0:17:34.680 --> 0:17:38.200
<v Speaker 1>When Kirby Pucket, of course passed away too early. Unfortunately,

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<v Speaker 1>I remember he got in right away, at least when

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<v Speaker 1>he was eligible. Actually I think we made him eligible

0:17:43.680 --> 0:17:46.720
<v Speaker 1>right away. I can't even recall. But my friend, the

0:17:46.800 --> 0:17:49.680
<v Speaker 1>late Joe Strauss said to me at that time, this

0:17:49.800 --> 0:17:52.480
<v Speaker 1>is a mistake. We screwed this up. And I was like, Joe,

0:17:52.480 --> 0:17:54.680
<v Speaker 1>what are you talking about. Kirby Puckett all time. Great,

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<v Speaker 1>He's like, no, he does not have the longevity. And

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<v Speaker 1>if you let him in, then look at domattically, look

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<v Speaker 1>at all these other guys who are in the same category.

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<v Speaker 1>So here is the thing. If Pedroya gets in with

0:18:08.480 --> 0:18:12.919
<v Speaker 1>a smaller sample size a shorter career, then what about

0:18:13.040 --> 0:18:18.040
<v Speaker 1>players from the past like Mattingly who have very similar cases.

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<v Speaker 1>And again, this is the quandary we face. I'm not

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<v Speaker 1>sure what the right answer is. And I always say

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<v Speaker 1>this with regard to my bowot. I'm not sitting here

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<v Speaker 1>saying this is the Hall of Fame and who should

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<v Speaker 1>be in it. No, we all understand as voters that

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<v Speaker 1>it's subjective and that we don't have all the answers,

0:18:35.600 --> 0:18:38.040
<v Speaker 1>and one person might have one view of it and

0:18:38.080 --> 0:18:42.000
<v Speaker 1>another person might have an entirely different view. Dustin Pedroia

0:18:42.240 --> 0:18:47.480
<v Speaker 1>meets my essential prerequisite of tenure dominance. He did that,

0:18:48.000 --> 0:18:51.359
<v Speaker 1>but that was really all he did. So I'm not

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<v Speaker 1>sure where I stand on this going forward. I'm going

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<v Speaker 1>to take another hard look at it next year. And

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<v Speaker 1>it's not just Pedroya, it's David Wright, it's Felix Hernandez,

0:18:58.760 --> 0:19:02.560
<v Speaker 1>all guys who had shorter careers Felix Hernandez. He had

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<v Speaker 1>a shorter career, most likely because the Mariners abused him early.

0:19:06.160 --> 0:19:08.520
<v Speaker 1>He was throwing crazy number of innings when he was

0:19:08.520 --> 0:19:11.159
<v Speaker 1>such a young pitcher. Is that his fault? Should that

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<v Speaker 1>preclude him from getting into the Hall of Fame? I

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<v Speaker 1>don't have a good answer for that.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I tell you what.

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<v Speaker 2>Having a vote in this as a BBWAA writer is

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<v Speaker 2>such an honor and a privilege. It's an honor that

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<v Speaker 2>I don't want. I mean, I don't have a vote,

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<v Speaker 2>but my god, that what you guys have to go

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<v Speaker 2>through and think about this. It's a responsibility. I wouldn't

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<v Speaker 2>and Ken. I'm gonna ask you this. This comes from

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<v Speaker 2>I believe a Yankee fan, which is not that hard

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<v Speaker 2>to imagine.

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<v Speaker 3>But what's the deal actually?

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<v Speaker 2>First?

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<v Speaker 3>Before I get to that, here's a question.

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<v Speaker 2>For Michael Vega. Can we look into the future, how

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<v Speaker 2>does all of this deferred money affect the Dodgers and

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<v Speaker 2>say five to ten years as far as a plan

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<v Speaker 2>is concerned, And they say, forget the future and let's

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<v Speaker 2>focus on the present. A lot of people wondering this

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<v Speaker 2>question with all the different deferrals going on.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, And it's a fair question based on what is

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<v Speaker 1>going on. But keep in mind, deferrals are not simply

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<v Speaker 1>a case of putting this off until twenty thirty thirty five.

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<v Speaker 1>A team has to fund the deferrals in some kind

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<v Speaker 1>of account two years, I believe, after the contract is

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<v Speaker 1>signed the second year, So the Dodgers have to put

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<v Speaker 1>that money away. They're not bankrupting themselves or anything like that. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>the Commissioner has said, I'm a little concerned about teams

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<v Speaker 1>that might be deferring a lot of money. But the

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<v Speaker 1>Dodgers have a lot of money. They're able to put

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<v Speaker 1>that money away, so in my view, this should not

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<v Speaker 1>impact them at all. They are making a ton right now,

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<v Speaker 1>They'll put that money away for the deferrals, and they'll

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<v Speaker 1>pay it when they need to pay it.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay. Another question this is regards to the Angels. This

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<v Speaker 2>comes from Jacob Ciscenaro's do you see the Angels making

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<v Speaker 2>any other significant moves? It seems that they are trying,

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<v Speaker 2>but nobody is fighting. Early on in this whole offseason,

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<v Speaker 2>the Angels were making all the moves. They got signed

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<v Speaker 2>about five different players, but anything else on the horizon

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<v Speaker 2>for them.

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<v Speaker 1>I believe they are in play for a number of

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<v Speaker 1>free agents right now, and it's just a matter of

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<v Speaker 1>where the market goes and who might want to play

0:22:31.119 --> 0:22:35.000
<v Speaker 1>for them. But this is a team that, as opposed

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<v Speaker 1>to some of us who think they maybe should have

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<v Speaker 1>taken a step back a couple of years ago or

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<v Speaker 1>even this year, they don't see it that way. They're

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<v Speaker 1>trying to compete. They've made moves to compete, Kakuchi being

0:22:44.560 --> 0:22:48.439
<v Speaker 1>foremost among them. And I would expect that they're going

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<v Speaker 1>to pick off some players in the weeks ahead. I would.

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<v Speaker 1>I wouldn't say guarantee it, but I expect it.

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<v Speaker 2>All right. Another question, I don't even know that we

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<v Speaker 2>have this one built, but it did come through in

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<v Speaker 2>the chat.

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<v Speaker 3>So I'll ask you here.

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<v Speaker 2>What is the deal with each Hero using just his

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<v Speaker 2>first name on his jersey all those years? I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>there's certain people in life, Ken, that can only go

0:23:07.760 --> 0:23:12.199
<v Speaker 2>by their first name. Each Euro share Madonna Rosenthal, we

0:23:12.200 --> 0:23:12.840
<v Speaker 2>could just throw it out.

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<v Speaker 3>We don't even need Ken.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, so each Heierro just putting Echiro on the

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<v Speaker 2>jersey a lot.

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<v Speaker 1>Sometimes when I write a story and I look at

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<v Speaker 1>the comments and see what people are dwelling on, I think,

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<v Speaker 1>is that what you took out of this? And when

0:23:28.200 --> 0:23:29.960
<v Speaker 1>it comes to this question, I don't want to dunk

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<v Speaker 1>on this person. I guess it's a reasonable question, But

0:23:32.680 --> 0:23:36.080
<v Speaker 1>is that what we're talking about here? He was a

0:23:36.119 --> 0:23:40.440
<v Speaker 1>singular player, He had this identity, and Eachiro was Echiro.

0:23:40.640 --> 0:23:42.600
<v Speaker 1>Like you said, some guys are just known by their

0:23:42.640 --> 0:23:46.800
<v Speaker 1>first names. And I just never took offence or even

0:23:46.880 --> 0:23:49.600
<v Speaker 1>thought twice about it. He was Eachiro.

0:23:50.320 --> 0:23:53.560
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I took offence with something Eachiro related, But that's

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<v Speaker 2>coming up later in the show. For now, it is

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<v Speaker 2>time for our dude of the week.

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<v Speaker 1>Dude, dude, dude, all right.

0:24:07.920 --> 0:24:09.440
<v Speaker 2>Due to the week is when Ken and I get

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<v Speaker 2>to talk about somebody that we're proud of, or somebody

0:24:12.040 --> 0:24:15.359
<v Speaker 2>that we think did something good. I'm actually going to

0:24:17.000 --> 0:24:19.680
<v Speaker 2>go first on this. My front end, or my front

0:24:19.800 --> 0:24:22.680
<v Speaker 2>end of the Dude of the week is the writers.

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<v Speaker 2>And what I say about that is not just the

0:24:28.000 --> 0:24:29.720
<v Speaker 2>job that you guys have to do, which I just

0:24:29.760 --> 0:24:33.120
<v Speaker 2>mentioned earlier is a big responsibility, but also the writers

0:24:33.160 --> 0:24:36.320
<v Speaker 2>that have taken the time to make their ballots public

0:24:37.080 --> 0:24:39.840
<v Speaker 2>and be able to put themselves in a position to

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<v Speaker 2>defend what they did, whatever their choices were, to be

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<v Speaker 2>able to say this is how I chose, and this

0:24:46.280 --> 0:24:49.880
<v Speaker 2>is why I chose because oftentimes, as journalists can we

0:24:50.040 --> 0:24:52.760
<v Speaker 2>expect the player to post whether they're zero for five

0:24:52.840 --> 0:24:54.720
<v Speaker 2>or five for five, if they made an error, if

0:24:54.720 --> 0:24:57.640
<v Speaker 2>they hit the game winning home run. We expect them

0:24:57.640 --> 0:25:00.960
<v Speaker 2>to have accountability and allow us to do our jobs.

0:25:00.960 --> 0:25:03.080
<v Speaker 2>And I feel that the writers that did make their

0:25:03.119 --> 0:25:06.520
<v Speaker 2>ballots public are doing a service to the community in

0:25:06.560 --> 0:25:09.240
<v Speaker 2>which they serve. So they are my Dudes of the week.

0:25:09.320 --> 0:25:12.280
<v Speaker 2>Those that made them public and are willing to defend

0:25:12.400 --> 0:25:13.960
<v Speaker 2>their choices a.

0:25:14.119 --> 0:25:16.280
<v Speaker 1>Lot to thank you. But you might be the only

0:25:16.359 --> 0:25:20.040
<v Speaker 1>person in America who is happy with the writers right now.

0:25:20.080 --> 0:25:21.840
<v Speaker 1>We always take a heat for a Hall of Fame

0:25:21.920 --> 0:25:23.840
<v Speaker 1>votes and that's all part of it. And you're right.

0:25:24.600 --> 0:25:28.280
<v Speaker 1>We ask the players, the general managers, everyone to be accountable.

0:25:28.480 --> 0:25:31.440
<v Speaker 1>We have to be accountable too, and that's why, even

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<v Speaker 1>though the Hall does not ever take our suggestion to

0:25:35.640 --> 0:25:38.120
<v Speaker 1>make all the ballots public and it's their choice, it's

0:25:38.160 --> 0:25:40.960
<v Speaker 1>their process, we want that and we have it in

0:25:41.000 --> 0:25:44.960
<v Speaker 1>the awards voting. Everything is public. So I hear you now.

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<v Speaker 1>My due to the week is a person who had

0:25:47.560 --> 0:25:50.000
<v Speaker 1>to wait ten years for this honor. And you saw

0:25:50.040 --> 0:25:53.640
<v Speaker 1>Billy Wagner's reaction when he got the call from Jack

0:25:53.680 --> 0:25:58.240
<v Speaker 1>O'Connell of the BBWAA, and he was emotional, he couldn't speak.

0:25:58.280 --> 0:26:01.640
<v Speaker 1>Billy's an emotional guy. But you have to remember here,

0:26:02.240 --> 0:26:05.760
<v Speaker 1>what goes into this. For ten years, he has waited

0:26:05.840 --> 0:26:08.120
<v Speaker 1>every year for that call, and you get your hopes

0:26:08.200 --> 0:26:10.040
<v Speaker 1>up and they get crushed. You get your hopes up,

0:26:10.040 --> 0:26:13.160
<v Speaker 1>they get crushed. He finally gets in this year after

0:26:13.240 --> 0:26:16.159
<v Speaker 1>all those years of kind of being in the spotlight,

0:26:16.320 --> 0:26:19.600
<v Speaker 1>and it's not humiliating, of course, not to be in

0:26:19.600 --> 0:26:22.000
<v Speaker 1>the Hall of Fame, but there's some level of, hey,

0:26:22.040 --> 0:26:24.520
<v Speaker 1>I wish it was happening. It's public. Let's go so

0:26:24.800 --> 0:26:27.600
<v Speaker 1>good for him. Billy Wagner much deserving. I voted for him.

0:26:27.640 --> 0:26:29.800
<v Speaker 1>I believe all ten years he is a Hall of

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<v Speaker 1>Famer and a deserving one.

0:26:31.640 --> 0:26:33.359
<v Speaker 3>And nobody can ever take that away from him.

0:26:33.359 --> 0:26:35.600
<v Speaker 2>And it's certainly some sort of validation I would think

0:26:35.640 --> 0:26:37.760
<v Speaker 2>for these guys to you know, if you don't get

0:26:37.760 --> 0:26:39.000
<v Speaker 2>into the Hall of Fame, it's not the end of

0:26:39.040 --> 0:26:42.080
<v Speaker 2>the world. But for some of these guys, the amount

0:26:42.200 --> 0:26:44.840
<v Speaker 2>of what that means to them is pretty special. All right,

0:26:44.920 --> 0:26:48.680
<v Speaker 2>time now for our John Fisher Dork of the Week award.

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<v Speaker 3>Ken, I'll give you the honors. You start with your

0:26:59.640 --> 0:27:01.080
<v Speaker 3>dork week first.

0:27:01.440 --> 0:27:04.720
<v Speaker 1>All right, Alana, it's actually not a person, per se.

0:27:05.520 --> 0:27:08.960
<v Speaker 1>We both worked at MLB Network. We both endured the

0:27:09.000 --> 0:27:12.399
<v Speaker 1>mystery of the Shredder. No one knows who the Shredder is.

0:27:12.440 --> 0:27:14.800
<v Speaker 1>I always thought it was Brian Kenny behind the curtain.

0:27:14.880 --> 0:27:17.800
<v Speaker 1>He's the Shredder. Well, the Shredder this week did something,

0:27:17.960 --> 0:27:23.320
<v Speaker 1>even by its own standards, is shocking. Shredder's ranking of

0:27:23.359 --> 0:27:30.320
<v Speaker 1>shortstops number one. Gunnar Henderson, great player, Seger, Cory Seger,

0:27:30.400 --> 0:27:33.160
<v Speaker 1>he's in there. Francisco Lindor is in there, and Bobby

0:27:33.200 --> 0:27:36.520
<v Speaker 1>wit Junior second in the MVP voting is fourth. Now.

0:27:36.520 --> 0:27:38.320
<v Speaker 1>I know, the Shredder it's not a one year thing,

0:27:38.359 --> 0:27:41.480
<v Speaker 1>but my gosh, Bobby wit Junior is the best shortstop

0:27:41.480 --> 0:27:44.360
<v Speaker 1>in the game. I think even Gunner, Seeger and Lindor

0:27:44.359 --> 0:27:47.760
<v Speaker 1>would admit that the Shredder is my dork of the week.

0:27:48.080 --> 0:27:50.040
<v Speaker 1>And mister Kenny, I know you've been ripping the writers

0:27:50.040 --> 0:27:52.159
<v Speaker 1>all week. So here's our little revenge.

0:27:52.720 --> 0:27:54.159
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, no kidding.

0:27:54.480 --> 0:27:58.000
<v Speaker 2>In what universe is Bobby Witt Junior not the best

0:27:58.040 --> 0:27:59.840
<v Speaker 2>shortstop in the game right now?

0:28:00.240 --> 0:28:02.520
<v Speaker 3>Fourth? Are you out of your mind? Shuddered that?

0:28:02.600 --> 0:28:04.520
<v Speaker 2>I mean, I sometimes I think they just put these

0:28:04.560 --> 0:28:06.119
<v Speaker 2>things out there to get a rise out of us,

0:28:06.160 --> 0:28:08.959
<v Speaker 2>and it worked, because I am I can't believe this,

0:28:09.080 --> 0:28:10.879
<v Speaker 2>all right, So my dork of the week.

0:28:11.160 --> 0:28:13.000
<v Speaker 3>We alluded to it a little bit earlier.

0:28:13.080 --> 0:28:16.920
<v Speaker 2>Ken is the one person, not necessarily male, the one

0:28:17.200 --> 0:28:22.480
<v Speaker 2>writer who did not vote for each hero Suzuki unanimously

0:28:22.640 --> 0:28:25.360
<v Speaker 2>to get into the Baseball Hall of Fame. I mean,

0:28:25.400 --> 0:28:28.840
<v Speaker 2>this is so Mariano Rivera is still the only unanimous

0:28:29.160 --> 0:28:31.359
<v Speaker 2>person to get into the Hall of Fame. And this

0:28:31.440 --> 0:28:35.119
<v Speaker 2>is so funny because there was a Eachiro says that

0:28:35.160 --> 0:28:37.080
<v Speaker 2>he would like to have a word with the one

0:28:37.119 --> 0:28:38.840
<v Speaker 2>writer that didn't vote him into the Hall of Fame.

0:28:38.880 --> 0:28:40.440
<v Speaker 2>He wants to have him over to his house to

0:28:40.800 --> 0:28:43.160
<v Speaker 2>have a drink together and have a good chat. I

0:28:43.160 --> 0:28:45.080
<v Speaker 2>would also like to have a chat with this person.

0:28:45.120 --> 0:28:48.200
<v Speaker 2>And again this kind of goes back Ken too. If

0:28:48.200 --> 0:28:51.680
<v Speaker 2>you're going to be that person that doesn't vote each

0:28:51.720 --> 0:28:56.120
<v Speaker 2>hero into Cooperstown, you better reveal yourself and you better

0:28:56.160 --> 0:28:58.480
<v Speaker 2>be accountable as to why. I mean, there's a lot

0:28:58.480 --> 0:29:01.479
<v Speaker 2>of people on Twitter all the Gonzalez with the ESPN

0:29:01.600 --> 0:29:02.400
<v Speaker 2>joke that it was him.

0:29:02.440 --> 0:29:03.200
<v Speaker 3>Obviously it was not.

0:29:03.920 --> 0:29:07.800
<v Speaker 2>Mark Goodin, who claims to be a writer and a

0:29:07.840 --> 0:29:09.680
<v Speaker 2>reporter for the New York Mets said it was him.

0:29:09.800 --> 0:29:11.880
<v Speaker 2>It was not, But this is he's not.

0:29:11.800 --> 0:29:14.400
<v Speaker 1>A writer, by the way, he's not account.

0:29:14.080 --> 0:29:16.920
<v Speaker 3>Yes, yes it is, as I as I confirmed with

0:29:16.960 --> 0:29:17.680
<v Speaker 3>you yesterday.

0:29:17.960 --> 0:29:19.880
<v Speaker 2>But don't you agree that if you're going to be

0:29:19.920 --> 0:29:23.560
<v Speaker 2>that one person, you have to be able to explain yourself.

0:29:24.680 --> 0:29:27.000
<v Speaker 1>Well, in perfect world, that would be great. Now, I

0:29:27.000 --> 0:29:29.680
<v Speaker 1>will say this, Solani. It might have heard out there

0:29:29.680 --> 0:29:32.120
<v Speaker 1>the people listening my rant about this yesterday. I don't

0:29:32.160 --> 0:29:33.640
<v Speaker 1>think this is the biggest deal in the world. But

0:29:33.680 --> 0:29:35.760
<v Speaker 1>you're absolutely right. That person is the dork of the week.

0:29:35.840 --> 0:29:38.440
<v Speaker 1>That's not even in question. But I will say this,

0:29:38.920 --> 0:29:41.240
<v Speaker 1>The voting body this year consisted of three hundred and

0:29:41.360 --> 0:29:44.400
<v Speaker 1>ninety four people. Three hundred and ninety three of them

0:29:44.600 --> 0:29:48.520
<v Speaker 1>voted for ichi Ro. So when you gather three hundred

0:29:48.560 --> 0:29:51.000
<v Speaker 1>and ninety four people in any setting and you ask

0:29:51.040 --> 0:29:54.480
<v Speaker 1>for unanimous agreement, it's pretty rare. So I thought we

0:29:54.640 --> 0:29:57.320
<v Speaker 1>did pretty well to get to three ninety three out

0:29:57.360 --> 0:30:01.200
<v Speaker 1>of three ninety four, and honestly said that, But you

0:30:01.240 --> 0:30:04.040
<v Speaker 1>think Hro is losing sleep over one person not voting

0:30:04.040 --> 0:30:05.920
<v Speaker 1>for him. He's a first ballot Hall of Famer, he's

0:30:05.920 --> 0:30:10.520
<v Speaker 1>an all time great, and I don't believe he actually cares. No.

0:30:10.600 --> 0:30:12.040
<v Speaker 2>I don't either, but I think it was funny that

0:30:12.080 --> 0:30:14.320
<v Speaker 2>he brought it up, like, really, dude, like I'd love

0:30:14.400 --> 0:30:16.800
<v Speaker 2>to know, I'd love to know who the person was

0:30:16.840 --> 0:30:19.120
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