1 00:00:00,160 --> 00:00:02,360 Speaker 1: If I let this guy in, then I might have 2 00:00:02,480 --> 00:00:05,120 Speaker 1: to have a case or possibility of supporting this guy, 3 00:00:05,160 --> 00:00:06,920 Speaker 1: this guy, this guy, and this guy. And that is 4 00:00:07,120 --> 00:00:09,200 Speaker 1: one of the quandaries voters face sometimes. 5 00:00:09,240 --> 00:00:10,840 Speaker 2: I think they just put these things out there to 6 00:00:10,880 --> 00:00:12,440 Speaker 2: get a rise out of us, and it worked. 7 00:00:20,760 --> 00:00:23,480 Speaker 1: Welcome everyone to the Thursday edition of Fair Territory. I'm 8 00:00:23,520 --> 00:00:26,880 Speaker 1: Ken Rosenthal here with Alta Rizzo Alto. We still have 9 00:00:27,120 --> 00:00:29,720 Speaker 1: a ton of free agents still out there, Pete Alonzo, 10 00:00:29,840 --> 00:00:33,600 Speaker 1: Alex Bregman, Jack Flaherty, Nick Paveta, to name a few, 11 00:00:34,159 --> 00:00:36,160 Speaker 1: but we're not going to talk about those guys today. 12 00:00:36,159 --> 00:00:37,800 Speaker 1: We have some other things in store. 13 00:00:38,479 --> 00:00:40,200 Speaker 3: Yeah, Ken, Grett to be with you as always. 14 00:00:40,240 --> 00:00:42,760 Speaker 2: By the way, Jack Flaherty is making an appearance on 15 00:00:42,880 --> 00:00:46,400 Speaker 2: Foul Territory right after our show ends at one pm Eastern, 16 00:00:46,440 --> 00:00:48,680 Speaker 2: So check out what Jack has to say, perhaps maybe 17 00:00:48,680 --> 00:00:51,760 Speaker 2: giving us some insight on his free agency. But you're right, 18 00:00:51,840 --> 00:00:54,080 Speaker 2: no news right now on Alonzo and Bregman, but there 19 00:00:54,240 --> 00:00:58,400 Speaker 2: is news as far as Roki Sisaki is concerned. Ken 20 00:00:58,440 --> 00:01:01,760 Speaker 2: the Dodger's making an official He had his press conference yesterday. 21 00:01:02,080 --> 00:01:04,240 Speaker 2: Another Japanese ace in that rotation. 22 00:01:05,319 --> 00:01:07,120 Speaker 1: Yes, and a lot of the most interesting things to 23 00:01:07,120 --> 00:01:09,520 Speaker 1: come out of that news conference for me, besides him 24 00:01:09,560 --> 00:01:13,319 Speaker 1: talking about wanting to have milkshakes and hamburgers, was what 25 00:01:13,480 --> 00:01:16,640 Speaker 1: he said was the principal reason he chose the Dodgers, 26 00:01:17,000 --> 00:01:21,200 Speaker 1: And what he said was the stability of the front office. Now, 27 00:01:21,440 --> 00:01:23,480 Speaker 1: there's been a lot of talk was this in the 28 00:01:23,560 --> 00:01:26,240 Speaker 1: bag all along for the Dodgers? Was this always the 29 00:01:26,240 --> 00:01:28,399 Speaker 1: way it was going to go? But if you look 30 00:01:28,440 --> 00:01:31,360 Speaker 1: at the three finalists, and there's the quote from Sasaki, 31 00:01:31,360 --> 00:01:33,360 Speaker 1: the stability of the front office was a part of 32 00:01:33,400 --> 00:01:37,720 Speaker 1: what resonated within the Dodgers pitch. Okay, if you look 33 00:01:37,720 --> 00:01:41,959 Speaker 1: at the three finalists, the Blue Jays, the Padres, the Dodgers, well, 34 00:01:42,360 --> 00:01:45,200 Speaker 1: the Dodgers' front office clearly is the most stable. And 35 00:01:45,240 --> 00:01:48,480 Speaker 1: if you remember, shoe Otani had that clause inserted into 36 00:01:48,520 --> 00:01:52,960 Speaker 1: his contract that if ownership changes or if Andrew Friedman leaves, 37 00:01:52,960 --> 00:01:57,040 Speaker 1: he can go. So from that perspective, when you consider 38 00:01:57,160 --> 00:02:00,000 Speaker 1: where the Blue Jays are and where the Padres are, 39 00:02:00,240 --> 00:02:04,840 Speaker 1: it's understandable why Susaki made the decision he did. The 40 00:02:04,880 --> 00:02:08,040 Speaker 1: reason he made it was because he felt clearly that 41 00:02:08,160 --> 00:02:11,960 Speaker 1: it was more stable in Los Angeles. What is happening 42 00:02:12,040 --> 00:02:15,080 Speaker 1: right now. In Toronto, you have Mark Schapiro, the team president, 43 00:02:15,120 --> 00:02:17,640 Speaker 1: in the final year of his contract. You have Ross 44 00:02:17,680 --> 00:02:20,359 Speaker 1: Atkins the general manager with two years left, and there 45 00:02:20,400 --> 00:02:23,399 Speaker 1: are a lot of questions about whether these guys are 46 00:02:23,440 --> 00:02:26,320 Speaker 1: going to be there for the long term. In San Diego, 47 00:02:26,400 --> 00:02:30,040 Speaker 1: we all know there's an ownership question. There is a 48 00:02:30,080 --> 00:02:33,680 Speaker 1: fight going on between the late Peter Siedler's widow and 49 00:02:34,000 --> 00:02:37,680 Speaker 1: his brothers for control of the team. So it's unstable 50 00:02:37,760 --> 00:02:41,160 Speaker 1: the situation there. And for that reason, if that is 51 00:02:41,200 --> 00:02:44,600 Speaker 1: indeed something that swayed Sasaki, you can understand it. 52 00:02:45,919 --> 00:02:48,080 Speaker 2: And you can also understand too why he would like 53 00:02:48,120 --> 00:02:51,440 Speaker 2: to some certainty. Obviously, coming to the United States, having 54 00:02:51,440 --> 00:02:53,640 Speaker 2: to learn the whole system and the culture here, having 55 00:02:53,639 --> 00:02:56,280 Speaker 2: some certainty of the team that he's going to probably 56 00:02:56,360 --> 00:02:58,959 Speaker 2: makes him feel a little bit better. Let's talk about 57 00:02:59,040 --> 00:03:01,320 Speaker 2: Jack Flaherty really quick. kN Not only is he coming 58 00:03:01,400 --> 00:03:03,400 Speaker 2: up on foul territory with the Boys, but he had 59 00:03:03,400 --> 00:03:06,160 Speaker 2: a tweet recently that said a certain team is not 60 00:03:06,280 --> 00:03:08,799 Speaker 2: ruining baseball, a lot of other teams are just doing 61 00:03:08,919 --> 00:03:10,959 Speaker 2: very little. Obviously, we know he's talking about the Los 62 00:03:11,000 --> 00:03:14,080 Speaker 2: Angeles Dodgers, and this was an interesting tweet to me Ken, 63 00:03:14,160 --> 00:03:17,160 Speaker 2: just because obviously I would imagine Jack would like to 64 00:03:17,200 --> 00:03:19,640 Speaker 2: be a part of the Dodgers' rotation. He probably won't 65 00:03:19,720 --> 00:03:22,040 Speaker 2: be at this point, but he doesn't seem to be 66 00:03:22,120 --> 00:03:24,400 Speaker 2: upset with the fact that he's not with them, and 67 00:03:24,440 --> 00:03:28,440 Speaker 2: he understands and appreciates what they're doing right. 68 00:03:28,520 --> 00:03:31,280 Speaker 1: What he is talking about is the industry, not the 69 00:03:31,360 --> 00:03:34,160 Speaker 1: Dodgers per se. He's saying they are operating the way 70 00:03:34,160 --> 00:03:36,160 Speaker 1: a team should operate. And I wrote about this the 71 00:03:36,200 --> 00:03:39,880 Speaker 1: other day. It's not that every team can operate like 72 00:03:39,920 --> 00:03:42,880 Speaker 1: the Dodgers. There's no way. The Dodgers have a financial 73 00:03:42,920 --> 00:03:45,680 Speaker 1: foundation that is unique to them. They've led the league 74 00:03:45,680 --> 00:03:48,960 Speaker 1: in attendance every year since thirteen. They also have an 75 00:03:49,040 --> 00:03:52,520 Speaker 1: eight point five billion dollar television deal that started in 76 00:03:52,600 --> 00:03:56,360 Speaker 1: thirteen over twenty five years, so they have financial advantages 77 00:03:56,400 --> 00:03:59,680 Speaker 1: that no other team, not even the Mets and Yankees can. 78 00:04:00,960 --> 00:04:05,600 Speaker 1: That said, every other team can at least compete in 79 00:04:06,240 --> 00:04:09,840 Speaker 1: a way that it is maximizing its capabilities. And that 80 00:04:09,960 --> 00:04:12,440 Speaker 1: is the complaint that Jack Flaherty has. It's the complaint 81 00:04:12,480 --> 00:04:15,200 Speaker 1: I have. It's the complaint a lot of players have 82 00:04:15,360 --> 00:04:17,800 Speaker 1: with the way the sport is right. Now, there are 83 00:04:17,839 --> 00:04:20,599 Speaker 1: teams out there with money, but they don't want to 84 00:04:20,640 --> 00:04:22,800 Speaker 1: spend that money. Now, they may have reasons for that, 85 00:04:22,880 --> 00:04:26,839 Speaker 1: and certainly the television questions in local markets, with the 86 00:04:26,880 --> 00:04:29,599 Speaker 1: future of the revenue and all of that comes into play. 87 00:04:29,640 --> 00:04:33,120 Speaker 1: We all get that. We all get that circumstances occasionally change. 88 00:04:33,240 --> 00:04:37,000 Speaker 1: But you can't tell me that there are large market teams, 89 00:04:37,000 --> 00:04:40,479 Speaker 1: mid market teams and small market teams that are competing 90 00:04:40,520 --> 00:04:43,200 Speaker 1: to the best of their capabilities. That's not happening with 91 00:04:43,320 --> 00:04:45,720 Speaker 1: all of them. Some of them, yes, But I can 92 00:04:45,839 --> 00:04:49,000 Speaker 1: name teams in each category and did in the column 93 00:04:49,360 --> 00:04:51,839 Speaker 1: that are not simply trying the way they should be. 94 00:04:51,960 --> 00:04:54,120 Speaker 1: And that's the problem. That's what he's talking about. 95 00:04:54,560 --> 00:04:55,760 Speaker 3: Yeah, no question about that. 96 00:04:55,760 --> 00:04:57,919 Speaker 2: There are some teams can, as you know better than 97 00:04:57,960 --> 00:05:00,680 Speaker 2: anybody of the thirty, that have literally not spent a 98 00:05:00,839 --> 00:05:03,640 Speaker 2: dollar in the off season. We're not asking you to 99 00:05:03,680 --> 00:05:06,720 Speaker 2: compete as high the level as the Dodgers are, but you. 100 00:05:06,800 --> 00:05:07,920 Speaker 3: Can spend some money. 101 00:05:07,960 --> 00:05:08,200 Speaker 1: Okay. 102 00:05:08,240 --> 00:05:10,800 Speaker 2: One thing we know for certain is the three new inductees, 103 00:05:10,839 --> 00:05:15,200 Speaker 2: actually five if you can't the other committee electing Dick 104 00:05:15,279 --> 00:05:18,359 Speaker 2: allen In as well as Dave Parker. But we know 105 00:05:18,440 --> 00:05:22,920 Speaker 2: that cc Sabathia, Billy Wagner, and Ichiro Suzuki Ken are 106 00:05:22,960 --> 00:05:25,640 Speaker 2: headed into Cooperstown. That was just announced a couple of 107 00:05:25,720 --> 00:05:27,839 Speaker 2: days ago. But I want to ask you this, there 108 00:05:27,880 --> 00:05:32,440 Speaker 2: were some comparisons in terms of once a certain player 109 00:05:32,480 --> 00:05:35,400 Speaker 2: gets in, it opens up the case for other players 110 00:05:35,400 --> 00:05:38,400 Speaker 2: that have the same types of numbers to perhaps have 111 00:05:38,440 --> 00:05:42,080 Speaker 2: a bigger consideration. So let's start with this. For one second, 112 00:05:42,120 --> 00:05:43,560 Speaker 2: I'm going to bring up a full screen. I'm going 113 00:05:43,600 --> 00:05:46,400 Speaker 2: to walk you through this Ken the same but different. Now, 114 00:05:46,400 --> 00:05:50,080 Speaker 2: this is a pitching category, okay, So what I'm going 115 00:05:50,160 --> 00:05:52,640 Speaker 2: to ask you is this player A player B, player C. 116 00:05:52,839 --> 00:05:54,640 Speaker 3: So this is a mystery pitcher. 117 00:05:54,720 --> 00:05:57,040 Speaker 2: Let's say, okay, so if you take a look at 118 00:05:57,040 --> 00:06:00,520 Speaker 2: the categories, it's the record at ERA plus strikeouts in 119 00:06:00,560 --> 00:06:04,800 Speaker 2: their career, postseason ERA, and then some of the major accolades. Obviously, 120 00:06:04,880 --> 00:06:08,159 Speaker 2: Cy Young six time All Star is player A. Cy 121 00:06:08,240 --> 00:06:10,680 Speaker 2: Young also with six time All Star is player B. 122 00:06:11,200 --> 00:06:14,359 Speaker 2: In addition to that, though this certain player, Player B, 123 00:06:14,480 --> 00:06:17,200 Speaker 2: this mystery pitcher has six gold gloves. And then you 124 00:06:17,279 --> 00:06:20,840 Speaker 2: have player C. Now that player is a three time 125 00:06:20,920 --> 00:06:25,000 Speaker 2: All Star has a better postseason eer third most in 126 00:06:25,080 --> 00:06:28,280 Speaker 2: terms of strikeouts amongst these three players era plus of 127 00:06:28,360 --> 00:06:31,600 Speaker 2: one seventeen and you can see the record there. Obviously, 128 00:06:31,680 --> 00:06:35,360 Speaker 2: player B has a much different record than A and C. 129 00:06:36,040 --> 00:06:38,400 Speaker 2: But I'll ask you this, ken if you're looking at 130 00:06:38,400 --> 00:06:40,120 Speaker 2: these three players, and I don't know if you can 131 00:06:40,160 --> 00:06:44,000 Speaker 2: see it on your screen, do player B and C? 132 00:06:45,240 --> 00:06:47,920 Speaker 2: Should they also get in? If player A gets in? 133 00:06:49,200 --> 00:06:52,640 Speaker 1: A lot of This is the vexing question that voters face, 134 00:06:52,880 --> 00:06:55,760 Speaker 1: and it's not just this particular comparison. There are a 135 00:06:55,880 --> 00:06:59,120 Speaker 1: number of comparisons, and this is what makes it so difficult. 136 00:06:59,360 --> 00:07:01,240 Speaker 1: Fans will say to me, hey, man, I know who 137 00:07:01,240 --> 00:07:03,400 Speaker 1: a Hall of Famer is, and that guy should be 138 00:07:03,480 --> 00:07:06,680 Speaker 1: in period. Well, the problem with that when you're a 139 00:07:06,760 --> 00:07:10,600 Speaker 1: voter is if you let player A in in this case, 140 00:07:11,120 --> 00:07:14,240 Speaker 1: our player B and player C totally deserving, should they 141 00:07:14,280 --> 00:07:16,360 Speaker 1: be in too? Now maybe the answer for some will 142 00:07:16,400 --> 00:07:19,520 Speaker 1: be yes, but maybe it will be no. And sometimes 143 00:07:20,280 --> 00:07:23,160 Speaker 1: when you open the door and you lower a standard, 144 00:07:23,640 --> 00:07:27,200 Speaker 1: then it becomes more difficult going forward with the vote. Now, 145 00:07:27,240 --> 00:07:30,560 Speaker 1: I'm not saying this is some kind of burden on 146 00:07:30,640 --> 00:07:32,920 Speaker 1: the voters. This is what we're supposed to be looking at, 147 00:07:32,960 --> 00:07:37,000 Speaker 1: but it makes it challenging because sometimes and I look 148 00:07:37,000 --> 00:07:39,320 Speaker 1: at this all the time. If I let this guy in, 149 00:07:39,600 --> 00:07:41,480 Speaker 1: then I might have to have a case or at 150 00:07:41,560 --> 00:07:45,040 Speaker 1: least possibility of supporting this guy, this guy, this guy, 151 00:07:45,080 --> 00:07:47,320 Speaker 1: and this guy. And that is one of the quandaries 152 00:07:47,360 --> 00:07:48,040 Speaker 1: of voter's face. 153 00:07:48,760 --> 00:07:51,160 Speaker 2: Right, So then here is the reveal kind if we 154 00:07:51,160 --> 00:07:53,520 Speaker 2: can go back to that screen for just a second. Obviously, 155 00:07:53,640 --> 00:07:56,320 Speaker 2: Zach Grinky is Player B. He did not have two 156 00:07:56,400 --> 00:07:59,080 Speaker 2: hundred and fifty five wins. That would be an unbelievable, 157 00:07:59,200 --> 00:08:02,840 Speaker 2: ridiculous record. So their record there is a little bit skewed. 158 00:08:02,880 --> 00:08:04,400 Speaker 2: But if you look at the fact that C. C. 159 00:08:04,520 --> 00:08:07,680 Speaker 2: Sabathia is PLAYERURA, his record was two fifty one and 160 00:08:07,720 --> 00:08:11,760 Speaker 2: one sixty one. Uh, the strikeouts are over three thousand. 161 00:08:11,800 --> 00:08:14,400 Speaker 2: He has darned near thirty one hundred strikeouts in his 162 00:08:14,440 --> 00:08:17,120 Speaker 2: career postseason era four point three eight. Obviously, a sy 163 00:08:17,200 --> 00:08:20,080 Speaker 2: Young Award winner, six time All Star. He's going in 164 00:08:21,400 --> 00:08:23,280 Speaker 2: as a New York Yankee into the Hall of Fame, 165 00:08:23,320 --> 00:08:26,000 Speaker 2: first time on the ballot, first time, you know, and 166 00:08:26,120 --> 00:08:28,480 Speaker 2: he and he makes it in. Zach Grankie certainly has 167 00:08:28,480 --> 00:08:31,480 Speaker 2: a case. If you look at the era, the amount 168 00:08:31,520 --> 00:08:36,080 Speaker 2: of strikeouts almost three thousand, strikeouts postseason era that's, you know, 169 00:08:36,200 --> 00:08:39,440 Speaker 2: better than CCS and six gold gloves to go with 170 00:08:39,559 --> 00:08:41,640 Speaker 2: the Cy Young Award and the sixth time All Star. 171 00:08:41,720 --> 00:08:44,200 Speaker 2: And then you have the case for Andy Pettitt, obviously 172 00:08:44,240 --> 00:08:46,760 Speaker 2: two fifty six, one fifty three, one seventeen on the 173 00:08:46,760 --> 00:08:51,319 Speaker 2: era strikeouts not quite to twenty five hundred postseason era 174 00:08:51,559 --> 00:08:53,960 Speaker 2: better amongst all three of those guys, and then a 175 00:08:54,000 --> 00:08:54,960 Speaker 2: three time All Star. 176 00:08:55,120 --> 00:08:56,840 Speaker 3: So does the name uh? 177 00:08:57,520 --> 00:09:00,480 Speaker 2: Revealing the name and the team that they played for, 178 00:09:00,640 --> 00:09:01,920 Speaker 2: does that change the opinion? 179 00:09:02,880 --> 00:09:06,840 Speaker 1: The team that they play for is irrelevant? But the 180 00:09:06,960 --> 00:09:09,520 Speaker 1: choice between Sabathia and Pettit for me on this year's 181 00:09:09,559 --> 00:09:11,800 Speaker 1: ballot was very difficult, and I wrote an entire column 182 00:09:11,800 --> 00:09:14,200 Speaker 1: about it because you really could justify a vote for 183 00:09:14,200 --> 00:09:17,920 Speaker 1: Pettit based on CC getting in now. CEC is one 184 00:09:17,960 --> 00:09:20,800 Speaker 1: of only three lefties with two hundred and fifty wins 185 00:09:20,840 --> 00:09:24,000 Speaker 1: and three thousand strikeouts. Randy Johnson and Steve Carlton are 186 00:09:24,040 --> 00:09:27,280 Speaker 1: the others. That's a distinguishing characteristic, and there are others. 187 00:09:27,320 --> 00:09:30,840 Speaker 1: But Pettitt has pitched the most postseason innings of any pitcher, 188 00:09:30,840 --> 00:09:33,000 Speaker 1: and he pitched really well in the postseason. His numbers 189 00:09:33,000 --> 00:09:35,560 Speaker 1: were about the same as they were in the regular season, 190 00:09:36,160 --> 00:09:38,040 Speaker 1: and you can make a case for pettit. I just 191 00:09:38,080 --> 00:09:40,760 Speaker 1: think that CEC had a certain aura about him, that 192 00:09:40,880 --> 00:09:43,960 Speaker 1: great march to the postseason with the Brewers, what he 193 00:09:44,000 --> 00:09:46,800 Speaker 1: did with the Indians now the Guardians, and of course 194 00:09:46,840 --> 00:09:49,079 Speaker 1: his performance with the Yankees two thousand and nine World 195 00:09:49,120 --> 00:09:52,880 Speaker 1: Series and beyond he plus reinvented himself. All of these 196 00:09:52,920 --> 00:09:56,160 Speaker 1: things factored into it for me. For CC, pettit is 197 00:09:56,640 --> 00:09:59,400 Speaker 1: not quite there for me. Now Greenky will be Greenky's 198 00:09:59,400 --> 00:10:02,840 Speaker 1: era plus is the highest of those three, and in fact, 199 00:10:03,679 --> 00:10:05,520 Speaker 1: you could make the case he had the best career 200 00:10:05,600 --> 00:10:08,559 Speaker 1: of those pitchers as well. The gold gloves factor into it. 201 00:10:09,200 --> 00:10:12,040 Speaker 1: But again a lot of the comparisons can be really 202 00:10:12,040 --> 00:10:14,480 Speaker 1: difficult once you get into the meat of the matter. 203 00:10:15,200 --> 00:10:16,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, no question about that. The reason I asked you 204 00:10:16,960 --> 00:10:18,760 Speaker 2: about the team is some people say that if you're 205 00:10:18,760 --> 00:10:21,280 Speaker 2: a Yankee or a Red Sox, perhaps a car perhaps 206 00:10:21,320 --> 00:10:24,040 Speaker 2: a Cardinal, perhaps a Cub sometimes as a Dodger, maybe 207 00:10:24,080 --> 00:10:26,760 Speaker 2: the writers and you are one of those writers, Ken, 208 00:10:26,840 --> 00:10:30,120 Speaker 2: maybe they give more credence just based on the organization. 209 00:10:30,320 --> 00:10:31,160 Speaker 3: Is that not fair? 210 00:10:32,160 --> 00:10:35,240 Speaker 1: That is fair? I'm sure some writers do do that 211 00:10:35,480 --> 00:10:37,959 Speaker 1: we have a lot of writers voting, and sometimes people 212 00:10:38,000 --> 00:10:41,160 Speaker 1: make decisions based on things they shouldn't be but that 213 00:10:41,200 --> 00:10:43,800 Speaker 1: should not factor into the equation at all where a 214 00:10:43,840 --> 00:10:47,120 Speaker 1: player performs. In many cases, at least for the start 215 00:10:47,120 --> 00:10:49,559 Speaker 1: of his career, a player does not have the choice. 216 00:10:49,760 --> 00:10:52,240 Speaker 1: So I would not get caught up in that at all. 217 00:10:52,360 --> 00:10:54,000 Speaker 1: I do not get caught up in that at all 218 00:10:54,040 --> 00:10:56,400 Speaker 1: as a voter. It doesn't matter to me. Now, yes, 219 00:10:56,600 --> 00:10:59,960 Speaker 1: Andy Pettit had more postseason opportunities. You give him credit 220 00:10:59,920 --> 00:11:02,920 Speaker 1: for that, but you don't penalize others who might not 221 00:11:02,960 --> 00:11:04,000 Speaker 1: have had those chances. 222 00:11:04,520 --> 00:11:06,800 Speaker 2: Right, You shouldn't penalize that grinky because the majority of 223 00:11:06,840 --> 00:11:09,280 Speaker 2: his career really was as a Kansas City Royal, all right? 224 00:11:09,320 --> 00:11:13,839 Speaker 2: Moving on now from a picture category to a outfielder 225 00:11:13,920 --> 00:11:16,080 Speaker 2: category or really a position player category. 226 00:11:16,120 --> 00:11:17,360 Speaker 3: This is hit or miss. Player A. 227 00:11:17,520 --> 00:11:19,520 Speaker 2: You can see what they did there. Player B you 228 00:11:19,559 --> 00:11:23,840 Speaker 2: can see what he did there. Stolen bases obviously ops, 229 00:11:23,840 --> 00:11:27,800 Speaker 2: plus the All Star awards, the Gold Glove awards. You 230 00:11:27,840 --> 00:11:29,800 Speaker 2: can see what both of those players did. 231 00:11:29,880 --> 00:11:30,000 Speaker 3: Now. 232 00:11:30,040 --> 00:11:34,199 Speaker 2: Player A, obviously in hits, has more, the ops is 233 00:11:34,240 --> 00:11:37,120 Speaker 2: identical ken the All Star and the Gold Gloves higher 234 00:11:37,120 --> 00:11:40,400 Speaker 2: for player A. But as far as the stolen bases 235 00:11:40,480 --> 00:11:43,280 Speaker 2: or concerned, player B has more. Let me ask you this, 236 00:11:43,320 --> 00:11:44,719 Speaker 2: does that matter to you? 237 00:11:46,920 --> 00:11:51,600 Speaker 1: This is an interesting one. Now. Player A has the 238 00:11:51,640 --> 00:11:54,480 Speaker 1: better overall resume, and it's not just the hit total, 239 00:11:54,960 --> 00:11:57,480 Speaker 1: and I don't really care about the stolen bases, which 240 00:11:57,480 --> 00:12:02,320 Speaker 1: are close, but player B has the advantage. The player 241 00:12:02,360 --> 00:12:05,720 Speaker 1: A has accomplished more. He did accomplish more in his career. 242 00:12:05,920 --> 00:12:09,320 Speaker 1: Player B is a legit candidate, and he's someone that 243 00:12:09,880 --> 00:12:12,400 Speaker 1: maybe should get more consideration that he's getting. I know 244 00:12:12,400 --> 00:12:15,760 Speaker 1: who the players are. That's why I can say this, all. 245 00:12:15,720 --> 00:12:17,839 Speaker 2: Right, So let's tell everybody else who the players are 246 00:12:17,880 --> 00:12:19,839 Speaker 2: as we do the reveal here on Hit or miss. 247 00:12:19,840 --> 00:12:23,720 Speaker 2: Obviously Player A maybe not obviously, but Ichiro Suzuki, a 248 00:12:23,720 --> 00:12:25,400 Speaker 2: man that can just go by eachiero and you don't 249 00:12:25,400 --> 00:12:27,840 Speaker 2: even have to say his last name. Kenny Lofton, A 250 00:12:27,840 --> 00:12:30,600 Speaker 2: lot of people can comparing the two in terms of 251 00:12:31,320 --> 00:12:34,080 Speaker 2: not identical numbers clearly, and as you mentioned, EACHIO had 252 00:12:34,080 --> 00:12:37,240 Speaker 2: the better overall resume. He was also MVP and Rookie 253 00:12:37,240 --> 00:12:40,079 Speaker 2: of the Year, of course, But Kenny Lofton, I'm wondering 254 00:12:40,160 --> 00:12:43,000 Speaker 2: in your opinion, and now that our audience knows as well. 255 00:12:43,040 --> 00:12:47,000 Speaker 2: Does he deserve more consideration than perhaps he has gotten 256 00:12:47,040 --> 00:12:47,439 Speaker 2: so far. 257 00:12:48,840 --> 00:12:51,040 Speaker 1: Well, if I'm not mistaken, Lofton is off the ballot. 258 00:12:51,120 --> 00:12:53,679 Speaker 1: Let me check that while we're talking. But at the 259 00:12:53,720 --> 00:12:57,800 Speaker 1: same time, centerfielders in general, we have not judged them 260 00:12:57,960 --> 00:13:01,800 Speaker 1: as well as we should have. And it's not just Lofton, 261 00:13:01,880 --> 00:13:04,760 Speaker 1: it's Jim Edmonds, it's Bernie Williams. These guys all fell 262 00:13:04,800 --> 00:13:07,840 Speaker 1: off and it's not right in my opinion. Now, hopefully 263 00:13:07,880 --> 00:13:12,320 Speaker 1: they'll get consideration in the Veterans Committee and those committees 264 00:13:12,360 --> 00:13:14,480 Speaker 1: will consider them in a better way. But I'm looking 265 00:13:14,480 --> 00:13:17,480 Speaker 1: at Kenny Lofton. Now bear with me, folks. I should 266 00:13:17,520 --> 00:13:19,960 Speaker 1: have had this off the tip of my tongue. Kenny 267 00:13:20,000 --> 00:13:23,760 Speaker 1: Lofton in his first year on the ballot. Let's see, Yeah, 268 00:13:23,960 --> 00:13:26,800 Speaker 1: twenty thirteen, three point two percent of the vote. That's 269 00:13:26,840 --> 00:13:29,040 Speaker 1: not enough. You have to get five percent of the vote. 270 00:13:29,200 --> 00:13:34,120 Speaker 1: And with the era he played in when the ballots 271 00:13:34,160 --> 00:13:36,520 Speaker 1: were being tabulated in those years, I believe he was 272 00:13:36,600 --> 00:13:39,240 Speaker 1: twentieth overall that year. I did check this last night, 273 00:13:39,720 --> 00:13:42,240 Speaker 1: twentieth overall when you can only vote for ten, and 274 00:13:42,280 --> 00:13:45,840 Speaker 1: the reason was the ballot was too crowded. It was 275 00:13:45,960 --> 00:13:49,559 Speaker 1: just overwhelmingly crowded. And guys like that. When we're only 276 00:13:49,600 --> 00:13:51,360 Speaker 1: allowed to vote for ten, and some of us have 277 00:13:51,440 --> 00:13:53,320 Speaker 1: a problem with that, that's a Hall of Fame rule, 278 00:13:53,360 --> 00:13:56,280 Speaker 1: it's not a BBWA rule. When you can only vote 279 00:13:56,280 --> 00:13:59,800 Speaker 1: for ten, you're gonna have guys like this who get shafted. 280 00:13:59,800 --> 00:14:03,840 Speaker 1: Maybe more memorably, Lou Whittaker was the best example of 281 00:14:03,880 --> 00:14:06,160 Speaker 1: all of this. He was one and done. Bernie was 282 00:14:06,200 --> 00:14:08,640 Speaker 1: one and done. Edmonds was one and done. It's not right. 283 00:14:08,679 --> 00:14:12,000 Speaker 1: Maybe Bernie was two. I can't recall exactly, but there 284 00:14:12,000 --> 00:14:16,840 Speaker 1: are some players from that particular era, the twenty tens 285 00:14:16,480 --> 00:14:21,400 Speaker 1: twenty tens, that deserve greater consideration, and Lofton is one 286 00:14:21,440 --> 00:14:23,280 Speaker 1: of them. He's not eight er roo, no one should 287 00:14:23,320 --> 00:14:25,520 Speaker 1: pretend that. But that doesn't mean he's not a Hall 288 00:14:25,560 --> 00:14:28,480 Speaker 1: of Famer, or at least it doesn't mean that he 289 00:14:28,520 --> 00:14:30,120 Speaker 1: should not get more consideration. 290 00:14:31,120 --> 00:14:31,800 Speaker 3: That makes sense. 291 00:14:32,280 --> 00:14:35,040 Speaker 2: Certainly, We're gonna have one more before we get to 292 00:14:35,160 --> 00:14:37,400 Speaker 2: your Grill and Ken questions, So if you have questions 293 00:14:37,480 --> 00:14:39,240 Speaker 2: for Ken, please get them in. We'll try to get 294 00:14:39,320 --> 00:14:41,840 Speaker 2: to those as we can. One more for you, and 295 00:14:41,880 --> 00:14:44,400 Speaker 2: this is going from the outfield to the infield Ken, 296 00:14:44,440 --> 00:14:46,760 Speaker 2: this is a mystery infielder player A. You can see 297 00:14:46,800 --> 00:14:50,320 Speaker 2: the games there. Player B played in more games. Hits 298 00:14:50,400 --> 00:14:53,320 Speaker 2: almost identical. Player A has eighteen oh five and you 299 00:14:53,360 --> 00:14:57,640 Speaker 2: have player B with eighteen eighty five ops. The second 300 00:14:57,640 --> 00:15:01,640 Speaker 2: person a better one postseason ops, second person a better 301 00:15:01,720 --> 00:15:04,920 Speaker 2: one all Star, second person a better one silver Slugger, 302 00:15:05,000 --> 00:15:08,680 Speaker 2: second person a better one gold gloves. Player A has four, 303 00:15:08,760 --> 00:15:11,960 Speaker 2: player B does not. So I ask you this, Ken, 304 00:15:12,000 --> 00:15:15,280 Speaker 2: if you look at these two numbers, one is obviously 305 00:15:16,400 --> 00:15:18,960 Speaker 2: probably going to get in the other we don't know, 306 00:15:19,160 --> 00:15:21,760 Speaker 2: but they're very comparable. So let's go ahead and tell 307 00:15:21,760 --> 00:15:23,920 Speaker 2: me your thoughts on these just looking at the numbers 308 00:15:23,960 --> 00:15:25,080 Speaker 2: before we do the reveal. 309 00:15:25,960 --> 00:15:27,600 Speaker 1: All right, this one is a tough one for me, 310 00:15:27,920 --> 00:15:31,040 Speaker 1: and I'll explain more when we do the reveal. But 311 00:15:31,600 --> 00:15:35,040 Speaker 1: the thing that player B does not have here is 312 00:15:35,080 --> 00:15:37,960 Speaker 1: the volume the player A does. It's four hundred game difference. 313 00:15:38,000 --> 00:15:41,040 Speaker 1: That's more than two seasons. Maybe you say, hey, that 314 00:15:41,120 --> 00:15:43,320 Speaker 1: doesn't matter. It's a ten year peak or a six 315 00:15:43,400 --> 00:15:46,240 Speaker 1: year peak that should matter most. And certainly player B 316 00:15:46,360 --> 00:15:50,120 Speaker 1: in his career accomplished quite a bit. We as voters 317 00:15:50,280 --> 00:15:53,560 Speaker 1: are going to have to tackle this particular issue going forward, 318 00:15:53,600 --> 00:15:56,840 Speaker 1: me in particular because it's one that's really vexed me 319 00:15:57,240 --> 00:16:01,400 Speaker 1: in this particular election. Maybe we need to consider smaller 320 00:16:01,440 --> 00:16:05,480 Speaker 1: sample size players in a greater way than we have traditionally. 321 00:16:05,920 --> 00:16:10,720 Speaker 1: Maybe their careers are shorter now should be influencing the 322 00:16:10,760 --> 00:16:13,240 Speaker 1: way we think a little bit. Now. It could be 323 00:16:13,320 --> 00:16:15,360 Speaker 1: shorter because of an injury. It could be shorter because 324 00:16:15,360 --> 00:16:17,200 Speaker 1: players make more money now they don't have to play 325 00:16:17,200 --> 00:16:20,480 Speaker 1: as long. But that has to come into consideration. But 326 00:16:20,560 --> 00:16:22,480 Speaker 1: let's do the reveal and then I'll explain more. 327 00:16:23,680 --> 00:16:26,160 Speaker 3: Okay, So let's do that reveal that Ken just asked for. 328 00:16:26,280 --> 00:16:28,240 Speaker 2: And to me, if I'm looking at these just knowing 329 00:16:28,280 --> 00:16:31,720 Speaker 2: both of these players, to me, they're both all stars. 330 00:16:31,800 --> 00:16:35,560 Speaker 2: Not necessarily can for the numbers, which obviously you have 331 00:16:35,600 --> 00:16:38,960 Speaker 2: to take into consideration, but just for what they meant 332 00:16:39,040 --> 00:16:41,920 Speaker 2: to their team in terms of getting their team to 333 00:16:41,960 --> 00:16:44,200 Speaker 2: the postseason and those types of things as well. So 334 00:16:44,280 --> 00:16:46,800 Speaker 2: Dustin Pejoria, obviously the majority of his career, I think 335 00:16:46,800 --> 00:16:48,840 Speaker 2: all of his career was with the Boston Red Sox. 336 00:16:48,880 --> 00:16:50,760 Speaker 2: Chase that Lee, known as a Philly would go in 337 00:16:50,760 --> 00:16:53,840 Speaker 2: as a Philly, spent the latter part of his year, 338 00:16:53,920 --> 00:16:55,960 Speaker 2: just a couple of years with the Los Angeles Daughters. 339 00:16:56,000 --> 00:16:59,480 Speaker 3: Now you knew this as far as who that was. 340 00:17:00,200 --> 00:17:02,720 Speaker 2: How do you look at these two players as Hall 341 00:17:02,800 --> 00:17:04,400 Speaker 2: of Fame worthy if in fact you. 342 00:17:04,359 --> 00:17:07,879 Speaker 1: Do, I do. I voted for Utley, did not vote 343 00:17:07,880 --> 00:17:12,119 Speaker 1: for Pedroia, and Pedroia is one that again I'm going 344 00:17:12,200 --> 00:17:14,920 Speaker 1: to have to keep looking at and considering because he's 345 00:17:14,960 --> 00:17:17,959 Speaker 1: a little bit of an unusual case. His career essentially 346 00:17:18,080 --> 00:17:20,879 Speaker 1: ended because of an injury the Manna Machado slide caused 347 00:17:21,119 --> 00:17:24,840 Speaker 1: knee problems that he just never could overcome. Should that 348 00:17:25,320 --> 00:17:27,800 Speaker 1: penalize him in the Hall of Fame voting? And my 349 00:17:27,920 --> 00:17:30,960 Speaker 1: answer to you would be, really, it shouldn't, right. But 350 00:17:31,400 --> 00:17:34,360 Speaker 1: here's the problem, And I go back to Kirby Pucket. 351 00:17:34,680 --> 00:17:38,200 Speaker 1: When Kirby Pucket, of course passed away too early. Unfortunately, 352 00:17:38,440 --> 00:17:41,359 Speaker 1: I remember he got in right away, at least when 353 00:17:41,400 --> 00:17:43,639 Speaker 1: he was eligible. Actually I think we made him eligible 354 00:17:43,680 --> 00:17:46,720 Speaker 1: right away. I can't even recall. But my friend, the 355 00:17:46,800 --> 00:17:49,680 Speaker 1: late Joe Strauss said to me at that time, this 356 00:17:49,800 --> 00:17:52,480 Speaker 1: is a mistake. We screwed this up. And I was like, Joe, 357 00:17:52,480 --> 00:17:54,680 Speaker 1: what are you talking about. Kirby Puckett all time. Great, 358 00:17:54,960 --> 00:17:57,679 Speaker 1: He's like, no, he does not have the longevity. And 359 00:17:57,720 --> 00:18:01,080 Speaker 1: if you let him in, then look at domattically, look 360 00:18:01,080 --> 00:18:04,119 Speaker 1: at all these other guys who are in the same category. 361 00:18:04,720 --> 00:18:08,280 Speaker 1: So here is the thing. If Pedroya gets in with 362 00:18:08,480 --> 00:18:12,919 Speaker 1: a smaller sample size a shorter career, then what about 363 00:18:13,040 --> 00:18:18,040 Speaker 1: players from the past like Mattingly who have very similar cases. 364 00:18:18,119 --> 00:18:22,399 Speaker 1: And again, this is the quandary we face. I'm not 365 00:18:22,520 --> 00:18:24,440 Speaker 1: sure what the right answer is. And I always say 366 00:18:24,440 --> 00:18:26,800 Speaker 1: this with regard to my bowot. I'm not sitting here 367 00:18:26,840 --> 00:18:29,040 Speaker 1: saying this is the Hall of Fame and who should 368 00:18:29,040 --> 00:18:32,000 Speaker 1: be in it. No, we all understand as voters that 369 00:18:32,400 --> 00:18:35,440 Speaker 1: it's subjective and that we don't have all the answers, 370 00:18:35,600 --> 00:18:38,040 Speaker 1: and one person might have one view of it and 371 00:18:38,080 --> 00:18:42,000 Speaker 1: another person might have an entirely different view. Dustin Pedroia 372 00:18:42,240 --> 00:18:47,480 Speaker 1: meets my essential prerequisite of tenure dominance. He did that, 373 00:18:48,000 --> 00:18:51,359 Speaker 1: but that was really all he did. So I'm not 374 00:18:51,400 --> 00:18:53,479 Speaker 1: sure where I stand on this going forward. I'm going 375 00:18:53,520 --> 00:18:55,280 Speaker 1: to take another hard look at it next year. And 376 00:18:55,320 --> 00:18:58,680 Speaker 1: it's not just Pedroya, it's David Wright, it's Felix Hernandez, 377 00:18:58,760 --> 00:19:02,560 Speaker 1: all guys who had shorter careers Felix Hernandez. He had 378 00:19:02,600 --> 00:19:05,959 Speaker 1: a shorter career, most likely because the Mariners abused him early. 379 00:19:06,160 --> 00:19:08,520 Speaker 1: He was throwing crazy number of innings when he was 380 00:19:08,520 --> 00:19:11,159 Speaker 1: such a young pitcher. Is that his fault? Should that 381 00:19:11,200 --> 00:19:13,639 Speaker 1: preclude him from getting into the Hall of Fame? I 382 00:19:13,640 --> 00:19:14,840 Speaker 1: don't have a good answer for that. 383 00:19:15,560 --> 00:19:16,439 Speaker 3: Yeah, I tell you what. 384 00:19:16,680 --> 00:19:21,280 Speaker 2: Having a vote in this as a BBWAA writer is 385 00:19:21,320 --> 00:19:23,600 Speaker 2: such an honor and a privilege. It's an honor that 386 00:19:23,680 --> 00:19:25,400 Speaker 2: I don't want. I mean, I don't have a vote, 387 00:19:25,440 --> 00:19:27,119 Speaker 2: but my god, that what you guys have to go 388 00:19:27,200 --> 00:19:30,200 Speaker 2: through and think about this. It's a responsibility. I wouldn't 389 00:19:30,240 --> 00:19:32,840 Speaker 2: want to have more on that coming up in Dude 390 00:19:32,840 --> 00:19:34,840 Speaker 2: and Dork of the Week. 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This comes from 421 00:21:00,320 --> 00:21:03,080 Speaker 2: I believe a Yankee fan, which is not that hard 422 00:21:03,119 --> 00:21:03,720 Speaker 2: to imagine. 423 00:21:03,760 --> 00:21:05,680 Speaker 3: But what's the deal actually? 424 00:21:05,760 --> 00:21:06,080 Speaker 2: First? 425 00:21:06,240 --> 00:21:08,359 Speaker 3: Before I get to that, here's a question. 426 00:21:08,119 --> 00:21:10,720 Speaker 2: For Michael Vega. Can we look into the future, how 427 00:21:10,760 --> 00:21:13,080 Speaker 2: does all of this deferred money affect the Dodgers and 428 00:21:13,119 --> 00:21:14,880 Speaker 2: say five to ten years as far as a plan 429 00:21:15,000 --> 00:21:17,399 Speaker 2: is concerned, And they say, forget the future and let's 430 00:21:17,400 --> 00:21:19,560 Speaker 2: focus on the present. A lot of people wondering this 431 00:21:19,680 --> 00:21:21,800 Speaker 2: question with all the different deferrals going on. 432 00:21:22,800 --> 00:21:25,199 Speaker 1: Right, And it's a fair question based on what is 433 00:21:25,240 --> 00:21:29,160 Speaker 1: going on. But keep in mind, deferrals are not simply 434 00:21:29,720 --> 00:21:32,880 Speaker 1: a case of putting this off until twenty thirty thirty five. 435 00:21:32,960 --> 00:21:36,080 Speaker 1: A team has to fund the deferrals in some kind 436 00:21:36,080 --> 00:21:40,359 Speaker 1: of account two years, I believe, after the contract is 437 00:21:40,400 --> 00:21:43,119 Speaker 1: signed the second year, So the Dodgers have to put 438 00:21:43,160 --> 00:21:47,159 Speaker 1: that money away. They're not bankrupting themselves or anything like that. Now, 439 00:21:47,560 --> 00:21:50,840 Speaker 1: the Commissioner has said, I'm a little concerned about teams 440 00:21:50,840 --> 00:21:53,040 Speaker 1: that might be deferring a lot of money. But the 441 00:21:53,080 --> 00:21:55,800 Speaker 1: Dodgers have a lot of money. They're able to put 442 00:21:55,800 --> 00:21:58,840 Speaker 1: that money away, so in my view, this should not 443 00:21:58,880 --> 00:22:01,520 Speaker 1: impact them at all. They are making a ton right now, 444 00:22:01,680 --> 00:22:03,840 Speaker 1: They'll put that money away for the deferrals, and they'll 445 00:22:03,880 --> 00:22:05,040 Speaker 1: pay it when they need to pay it. 446 00:22:05,800 --> 00:22:09,119 Speaker 2: Okay. Another question this is regards to the Angels. This 447 00:22:09,240 --> 00:22:12,160 Speaker 2: comes from Jacob Ciscenaro's do you see the Angels making 448 00:22:12,200 --> 00:22:14,720 Speaker 2: any other significant moves? It seems that they are trying, 449 00:22:15,200 --> 00:22:17,760 Speaker 2: but nobody is fighting. Early on in this whole offseason, 450 00:22:17,760 --> 00:22:19,720 Speaker 2: the Angels were making all the moves. They got signed 451 00:22:19,760 --> 00:22:22,200 Speaker 2: about five different players, but anything else on the horizon 452 00:22:22,240 --> 00:22:22,919 Speaker 2: for them. 453 00:22:23,520 --> 00:22:25,560 Speaker 1: I believe they are in play for a number of 454 00:22:25,600 --> 00:22:28,320 Speaker 1: free agents right now, and it's just a matter of 455 00:22:28,320 --> 00:22:31,119 Speaker 1: where the market goes and who might want to play 456 00:22:31,119 --> 00:22:35,000 Speaker 1: for them. But this is a team that, as opposed 457 00:22:35,040 --> 00:22:36,720 Speaker 1: to some of us who think they maybe should have 458 00:22:36,720 --> 00:22:38,359 Speaker 1: taken a step back a couple of years ago or 459 00:22:38,400 --> 00:22:40,840 Speaker 1: even this year, they don't see it that way. They're 460 00:22:40,840 --> 00:22:44,240 Speaker 1: trying to compete. They've made moves to compete, Kakuchi being 461 00:22:44,560 --> 00:22:48,439 Speaker 1: foremost among them. And I would expect that they're going 462 00:22:48,480 --> 00:22:51,560 Speaker 1: to pick off some players in the weeks ahead. I would. 463 00:22:52,160 --> 00:22:54,480 Speaker 1: I wouldn't say guarantee it, but I expect it. 464 00:22:54,920 --> 00:22:56,520 Speaker 2: All right. Another question, I don't even know that we 465 00:22:56,560 --> 00:22:58,199 Speaker 2: have this one built, but it did come through in 466 00:22:58,240 --> 00:22:58,600 Speaker 2: the chat. 467 00:22:58,640 --> 00:22:59,639 Speaker 3: So I'll ask you here. 468 00:22:59,560 --> 00:23:02,439 Speaker 2: What is the deal with each Hero using just his 469 00:23:02,600 --> 00:23:05,520 Speaker 2: first name on his jersey all those years? I mean, 470 00:23:05,520 --> 00:23:07,720 Speaker 2: there's certain people in life, Ken, that can only go 471 00:23:07,760 --> 00:23:12,199 Speaker 2: by their first name. Each Euro share Madonna Rosenthal, we 472 00:23:12,200 --> 00:23:12,840 Speaker 2: could just throw it out. 473 00:23:12,880 --> 00:23:13,720 Speaker 3: We don't even need Ken. 474 00:23:13,720 --> 00:23:18,119 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, so each Heierro just putting Echiro on the 475 00:23:18,200 --> 00:23:20,200 Speaker 2: jersey a lot. 476 00:23:20,440 --> 00:23:22,320 Speaker 1: Sometimes when I write a story and I look at 477 00:23:22,320 --> 00:23:25,680 Speaker 1: the comments and see what people are dwelling on, I think, 478 00:23:25,840 --> 00:23:28,160 Speaker 1: is that what you took out of this? And when 479 00:23:28,200 --> 00:23:29,960 Speaker 1: it comes to this question, I don't want to dunk 480 00:23:29,960 --> 00:23:32,119 Speaker 1: on this person. I guess it's a reasonable question, But 481 00:23:32,680 --> 00:23:36,080 Speaker 1: is that what we're talking about here? He was a 482 00:23:36,119 --> 00:23:40,440 Speaker 1: singular player, He had this identity, and Eachiro was Echiro. 483 00:23:40,640 --> 00:23:42,600 Speaker 1: Like you said, some guys are just known by their 484 00:23:42,640 --> 00:23:46,800 Speaker 1: first names. And I just never took offence or even 485 00:23:46,880 --> 00:23:49,600 Speaker 1: thought twice about it. He was Eachiro. 486 00:23:50,320 --> 00:23:53,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, I took offence with something Eachiro related, But that's 487 00:23:53,760 --> 00:23:56,040 Speaker 2: coming up later in the show. For now, it is 488 00:23:56,160 --> 00:23:58,960 Speaker 2: time for our dude of the week. 489 00:23:59,520 --> 00:24:07,840 Speaker 1: Dude, dude, dude, all right. 490 00:24:07,920 --> 00:24:09,440 Speaker 2: Due to the week is when Ken and I get 491 00:24:09,480 --> 00:24:12,040 Speaker 2: to talk about somebody that we're proud of, or somebody 492 00:24:12,040 --> 00:24:15,359 Speaker 2: that we think did something good. I'm actually going to 493 00:24:17,000 --> 00:24:19,680 Speaker 2: go first on this. My front end, or my front 494 00:24:19,800 --> 00:24:22,680 Speaker 2: end of the Dude of the week is the writers. 495 00:24:22,720 --> 00:24:27,720 Speaker 2: And what I say about that is not just the 496 00:24:28,000 --> 00:24:29,720 Speaker 2: job that you guys have to do, which I just 497 00:24:29,760 --> 00:24:33,120 Speaker 2: mentioned earlier is a big responsibility, but also the writers 498 00:24:33,160 --> 00:24:36,320 Speaker 2: that have taken the time to make their ballots public 499 00:24:37,080 --> 00:24:39,840 Speaker 2: and be able to put themselves in a position to 500 00:24:39,880 --> 00:24:43,119 Speaker 2: defend what they did, whatever their choices were, to be 501 00:24:43,240 --> 00:24:46,200 Speaker 2: able to say this is how I chose, and this 502 00:24:46,280 --> 00:24:49,880 Speaker 2: is why I chose because oftentimes, as journalists can we 503 00:24:50,040 --> 00:24:52,760 Speaker 2: expect the player to post whether they're zero for five 504 00:24:52,840 --> 00:24:54,720 Speaker 2: or five for five, if they made an error, if 505 00:24:54,720 --> 00:24:57,640 Speaker 2: they hit the game winning home run. We expect them 506 00:24:57,640 --> 00:25:00,960 Speaker 2: to have accountability and allow us to do our jobs. 507 00:25:00,960 --> 00:25:03,080 Speaker 2: And I feel that the writers that did make their 508 00:25:03,119 --> 00:25:06,520 Speaker 2: ballots public are doing a service to the community in 509 00:25:06,560 --> 00:25:09,240 Speaker 2: which they serve. So they are my Dudes of the week. 510 00:25:09,320 --> 00:25:12,280 Speaker 2: Those that made them public and are willing to defend 511 00:25:12,400 --> 00:25:13,960 Speaker 2: their choices a. 512 00:25:14,119 --> 00:25:16,280 Speaker 1: Lot to thank you. But you might be the only 513 00:25:16,359 --> 00:25:20,040 Speaker 1: person in America who is happy with the writers right now. 514 00:25:20,080 --> 00:25:21,840 Speaker 1: We always take a heat for a Hall of Fame 515 00:25:21,920 --> 00:25:23,840 Speaker 1: votes and that's all part of it. And you're right. 516 00:25:24,600 --> 00:25:28,280 Speaker 1: We ask the players, the general managers, everyone to be accountable. 517 00:25:28,480 --> 00:25:31,440 Speaker 1: We have to be accountable too, and that's why, even 518 00:25:31,440 --> 00:25:35,639 Speaker 1: though the Hall does not ever take our suggestion to 519 00:25:35,640 --> 00:25:38,120 Speaker 1: make all the ballots public and it's their choice, it's 520 00:25:38,160 --> 00:25:40,960 Speaker 1: their process, we want that and we have it in 521 00:25:41,000 --> 00:25:44,960 Speaker 1: the awards voting. Everything is public. So I hear you now. 522 00:25:45,000 --> 00:25:47,520 Speaker 1: My due to the week is a person who had 523 00:25:47,560 --> 00:25:50,000 Speaker 1: to wait ten years for this honor. And you saw 524 00:25:50,040 --> 00:25:53,640 Speaker 1: Billy Wagner's reaction when he got the call from Jack 525 00:25:53,680 --> 00:25:58,240 Speaker 1: O'Connell of the BBWAA, and he was emotional, he couldn't speak. 526 00:25:58,280 --> 00:26:01,640 Speaker 1: Billy's an emotional guy. But you have to remember here, 527 00:26:02,240 --> 00:26:05,760 Speaker 1: what goes into this. For ten years, he has waited 528 00:26:05,840 --> 00:26:08,120 Speaker 1: every year for that call, and you get your hopes 529 00:26:08,200 --> 00:26:10,040 Speaker 1: up and they get crushed. You get your hopes up, 530 00:26:10,040 --> 00:26:13,160 Speaker 1: they get crushed. He finally gets in this year after 531 00:26:13,240 --> 00:26:16,159 Speaker 1: all those years of kind of being in the spotlight, 532 00:26:16,320 --> 00:26:19,600 Speaker 1: and it's not humiliating, of course, not to be in 533 00:26:19,600 --> 00:26:22,000 Speaker 1: the Hall of Fame, but there's some level of, hey, 534 00:26:22,040 --> 00:26:24,520 Speaker 1: I wish it was happening. It's public. Let's go so 535 00:26:24,800 --> 00:26:27,600 Speaker 1: good for him. Billy Wagner much deserving. I voted for him. 536 00:26:27,640 --> 00:26:29,800 Speaker 1: I believe all ten years he is a Hall of 537 00:26:29,800 --> 00:26:31,720 Speaker 1: Famer and a deserving one. 538 00:26:31,640 --> 00:26:33,359 Speaker 3: And nobody can ever take that away from him. 539 00:26:33,359 --> 00:26:35,600 Speaker 2: And it's certainly some sort of validation I would think 540 00:26:35,640 --> 00:26:37,760 Speaker 2: for these guys to you know, if you don't get 541 00:26:37,760 --> 00:26:39,000 Speaker 2: into the Hall of Fame, it's not the end of 542 00:26:39,040 --> 00:26:42,080 Speaker 2: the world. But for some of these guys, the amount 543 00:26:42,200 --> 00:26:44,840 Speaker 2: of what that means to them is pretty special. All right, 544 00:26:44,920 --> 00:26:48,680 Speaker 2: time now for our John Fisher Dork of the Week award. 545 00:26:57,240 --> 00:26:59,600 Speaker 3: Ken, I'll give you the honors. You start with your 546 00:26:59,640 --> 00:27:01,080 Speaker 3: dork week first. 547 00:27:01,440 --> 00:27:04,720 Speaker 1: All right, Alana, it's actually not a person, per se. 548 00:27:05,520 --> 00:27:08,960 Speaker 1: We both worked at MLB Network. We both endured the 549 00:27:09,000 --> 00:27:12,399 Speaker 1: mystery of the Shredder. No one knows who the Shredder is. 550 00:27:12,440 --> 00:27:14,800 Speaker 1: I always thought it was Brian Kenny behind the curtain. 551 00:27:14,880 --> 00:27:17,800 Speaker 1: He's the Shredder. Well, the Shredder this week did something, 552 00:27:17,960 --> 00:27:23,320 Speaker 1: even by its own standards, is shocking. Shredder's ranking of 553 00:27:23,359 --> 00:27:30,320 Speaker 1: shortstops number one. Gunnar Henderson, great player, Seger, Cory Seger, 554 00:27:30,400 --> 00:27:33,160 Speaker 1: he's in there. Francisco Lindor is in there, and Bobby 555 00:27:33,200 --> 00:27:36,520 Speaker 1: wit Junior second in the MVP voting is fourth. Now. 556 00:27:36,520 --> 00:27:38,320 Speaker 1: I know, the Shredder it's not a one year thing, 557 00:27:38,359 --> 00:27:41,480 Speaker 1: but my gosh, Bobby wit Junior is the best shortstop 558 00:27:41,480 --> 00:27:44,360 Speaker 1: in the game. I think even Gunner, Seeger and Lindor 559 00:27:44,359 --> 00:27:47,760 Speaker 1: would admit that the Shredder is my dork of the week. 560 00:27:48,080 --> 00:27:50,040 Speaker 1: And mister Kenny, I know you've been ripping the writers 561 00:27:50,040 --> 00:27:52,159 Speaker 1: all week. So here's our little revenge. 562 00:27:52,720 --> 00:27:54,159 Speaker 3: Yeah, no kidding. 563 00:27:54,480 --> 00:27:58,000 Speaker 2: In what universe is Bobby Witt Junior not the best 564 00:27:58,040 --> 00:27:59,840 Speaker 2: shortstop in the game right now? 565 00:28:00,240 --> 00:28:02,520 Speaker 3: Fourth? Are you out of your mind? Shuddered that? 566 00:28:02,600 --> 00:28:04,520 Speaker 2: I mean, I sometimes I think they just put these 567 00:28:04,560 --> 00:28:06,119 Speaker 2: things out there to get a rise out of us, 568 00:28:06,160 --> 00:28:08,959 Speaker 2: and it worked, because I am I can't believe this, 569 00:28:09,080 --> 00:28:10,879 Speaker 2: all right, So my dork of the week. 570 00:28:11,160 --> 00:28:13,000 Speaker 3: We alluded to it a little bit earlier. 571 00:28:13,080 --> 00:28:16,920 Speaker 2: Ken is the one person, not necessarily male, the one 572 00:28:17,200 --> 00:28:22,480 Speaker 2: writer who did not vote for each hero Suzuki unanimously 573 00:28:22,640 --> 00:28:25,360 Speaker 2: to get into the Baseball Hall of Fame. I mean, 574 00:28:25,400 --> 00:28:28,840 Speaker 2: this is so Mariano Rivera is still the only unanimous 575 00:28:29,160 --> 00:28:31,359 Speaker 2: person to get into the Hall of Fame. And this 576 00:28:31,440 --> 00:28:35,119 Speaker 2: is so funny because there was a Eachiro says that 577 00:28:35,160 --> 00:28:37,080 Speaker 2: he would like to have a word with the one 578 00:28:37,119 --> 00:28:38,840 Speaker 2: writer that didn't vote him into the Hall of Fame. 579 00:28:38,880 --> 00:28:40,440 Speaker 2: He wants to have him over to his house to 580 00:28:40,800 --> 00:28:43,160 Speaker 2: have a drink together and have a good chat. I 581 00:28:43,160 --> 00:28:45,080 Speaker 2: would also like to have a chat with this person. 582 00:28:45,120 --> 00:28:48,200 Speaker 2: And again this kind of goes back Ken too. If 583 00:28:48,200 --> 00:28:51,680 Speaker 2: you're going to be that person that doesn't vote each 584 00:28:51,720 --> 00:28:56,120 Speaker 2: hero into Cooperstown, you better reveal yourself and you better 585 00:28:56,160 --> 00:28:58,480 Speaker 2: be accountable as to why. I mean, there's a lot 586 00:28:58,480 --> 00:29:01,479 Speaker 2: of people on Twitter all the Gonzalez with the ESPN 587 00:29:01,600 --> 00:29:02,400 Speaker 2: joke that it was him. 588 00:29:02,440 --> 00:29:03,200 Speaker 3: Obviously it was not. 589 00:29:03,920 --> 00:29:07,800 Speaker 2: Mark Goodin, who claims to be a writer and a 590 00:29:07,840 --> 00:29:09,680 Speaker 2: reporter for the New York Mets said it was him. 591 00:29:09,800 --> 00:29:11,880 Speaker 2: It was not, But this is he's not. 592 00:29:11,800 --> 00:29:14,400 Speaker 1: A writer, by the way, he's not account. 593 00:29:14,080 --> 00:29:16,920 Speaker 3: Yes, yes it is, as I as I confirmed with 594 00:29:16,960 --> 00:29:17,680 Speaker 3: you yesterday. 595 00:29:17,960 --> 00:29:19,880 Speaker 2: But don't you agree that if you're going to be 596 00:29:19,920 --> 00:29:23,560 Speaker 2: that one person, you have to be able to explain yourself. 597 00:29:24,680 --> 00:29:27,000 Speaker 1: Well, in perfect world, that would be great. Now, I 598 00:29:27,000 --> 00:29:29,680 Speaker 1: will say this, Solani. It might have heard out there 599 00:29:29,680 --> 00:29:32,120 Speaker 1: the people listening my rant about this yesterday. I don't 600 00:29:32,160 --> 00:29:33,640 Speaker 1: think this is the biggest deal in the world. But 601 00:29:33,680 --> 00:29:35,760 Speaker 1: you're absolutely right. That person is the dork of the week. 602 00:29:35,840 --> 00:29:38,440 Speaker 1: That's not even in question. But I will say this, 603 00:29:38,920 --> 00:29:41,240 Speaker 1: The voting body this year consisted of three hundred and 604 00:29:41,360 --> 00:29:44,400 Speaker 1: ninety four people. Three hundred and ninety three of them 605 00:29:44,600 --> 00:29:48,520 Speaker 1: voted for ichi Ro. So when you gather three hundred 606 00:29:48,560 --> 00:29:51,000 Speaker 1: and ninety four people in any setting and you ask 607 00:29:51,040 --> 00:29:54,480 Speaker 1: for unanimous agreement, it's pretty rare. So I thought we 608 00:29:54,640 --> 00:29:57,320 Speaker 1: did pretty well to get to three ninety three out 609 00:29:57,360 --> 00:30:01,200 Speaker 1: of three ninety four, and honestly said that, But you 610 00:30:01,240 --> 00:30:04,040 Speaker 1: think Hro is losing sleep over one person not voting 611 00:30:04,040 --> 00:30:05,920 Speaker 1: for him. He's a first ballot Hall of Famer, he's 612 00:30:05,920 --> 00:30:10,520 Speaker 1: an all time great, and I don't believe he actually cares. No. 613 00:30:10,600 --> 00:30:12,040 Speaker 2: I don't either, but I think it was funny that 614 00:30:12,080 --> 00:30:14,320 Speaker 2: he brought it up, like, really, dude, like I'd love 615 00:30:14,400 --> 00:30:16,800 Speaker 2: to know, I'd love to know who the person was 616 00:30:16,840 --> 00:30:19,120 Speaker 2: that did not vote for me. 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