WEBVTT - Part One: The Ivermectin Episode 0:00:01.400 --> 0:00:05.440 Welcome to Behind the Bastards, the only podcast where the host, 0:00:05.680 --> 0:00:09.960 Robert Evans could easily, and I mean easily, defeat Lebron 0:00:10.039 --> 0:00:13.680 James at basketball. Not a problem, not even a challenge. 0:00:13.760 --> 0:00:17.360 Everyone knows it. Everybody agrees. Let's just move on. Having 0:00:17.400 --> 0:00:20.760 made the point. This is Remember, I've seen your dunk 0:00:21.000 --> 0:00:23.599 I've seen your dunk reels on TikTok. You're very kid, 0:00:23.960 --> 0:00:28.319 Thank you, thank you, Yes, unparalleled. Some would say, um, now, 0:00:28.600 --> 0:00:33.360 Jamie bad, I'm speaking Jamie Loftus, How how are you, 0:00:33.720 --> 0:00:39.360 Jamie Loftus. I'm so, I'm so, I'm all over the place, 0:00:39.400 --> 0:00:42.080 but I'm good. I'm all right, all things considered. I 0:00:42.200 --> 0:00:45.640 brought my cat on a cross country flight yesterday. So 0:00:46.240 --> 0:00:48.320 that's what did you do? Was he good? What was 0:00:48.360 --> 0:00:53.440 the vibe? Was good? We were we were sitting like 0:00:54.080 --> 0:00:56.360 I was in the two rows. I was the only 0:00:56.400 --> 0:01:01.840 person that wasn't on the way to celebrate someone's thirtieth birthday. 0:01:01.880 --> 0:01:03.840 But they really took to the cat. They were we 0:01:04.000 --> 0:01:07.839 were all an emotional support unit. They were all watching 0:01:07.920 --> 0:01:11.959 Naruto on iPads. I was listening to an Amityville Horror 0:01:12.000 --> 0:01:15.840 audio book and just reaching down and petting my cat 0:01:15.959 --> 0:01:18.319 for six hours. It was. It was a real treat. 0:01:18.560 --> 0:01:22.039 How are you, Robert? I'm good, um, by which I 0:01:22.080 --> 0:01:25.840 mean terrible, by which I mean normal. Um okay, so 0:01:25.920 --> 0:01:28.960 nothing's changed since we last spoke that I just flew to. 0:01:29.200 --> 0:01:31.640 I was in Texas from my brother's wedding, and so 0:01:31.680 --> 0:01:34.200 I was. I got to be as I was when 0:01:34.240 --> 0:01:37.120 I left Texas there the day a new shitty law 0:01:37.200 --> 0:01:40.840 came into being. Um, okay, you need to stop going 0:01:40.880 --> 0:01:43.240 back your jinks. Yeah, I mean when I moved to 0:01:43.400 --> 0:01:46.000 l A, I had just like immediately. It was immediately 0:01:46.040 --> 0:01:49.480 after I attended the protests for Wendy Davis at the 0:01:49.520 --> 0:01:54.120 Capitol over the over abortion. Um, so that's just me 0:01:54.200 --> 0:01:57.840 and Texas. Baby. Wait, Robert, what is your what is 0:01:58.560 --> 0:02:01.880 I'm what is your vibe at a wedding? I can't 0:02:01.920 --> 0:02:04.240 picture you at a wedding, so I need to have 0:02:04.320 --> 0:02:06.440 trouble picturing me too at a wedding, Jamie. But I 0:02:06.480 --> 0:02:10.960 was to it was very Catholic wedding. Did you get 0:02:11.000 --> 0:02:13.920 to eat the tiny bread? No? No, no, I don't 0:02:13.919 --> 0:02:16.000 I don't take I love the tiny bread. It tastes 0:02:16.040 --> 0:02:21.480 so good. Tucksolved. I had to wear a tux I have. 0:02:22.280 --> 0:02:27.280 Where's the pictures? I felt bad about killing the photographer, 0:02:27.320 --> 0:02:29.520 but I just couldn't let there be a chance of 0:02:29.560 --> 0:02:32.240 those photos getting out. So send me a pick of 0:02:32.240 --> 0:02:35.600 you what I had to do? A smiling with teeth 0:02:35.720 --> 0:02:41.000 in the pics? No, but I did get extremely drunk 0:02:41.120 --> 0:02:44.480 at the it was thankfully it was um It was 0:02:44.639 --> 0:02:46.720 a Catholic wedding, but it was also a Mexican wedding, 0:02:46.720 --> 0:02:50.000 so the food was incredible and I was able to 0:02:50.040 --> 0:02:54.200 get very drunk afterwards, so that I can't believe you 0:02:54.320 --> 0:02:58.799 smiled with teeth. Also, my brother's happy. I guess that's 0:02:58.840 --> 0:03:01.920 important too. Yeah, who gives a ship? I don't know 0:03:01.960 --> 0:03:08.480 your brother allegedly whatever, Jamie, what how do you feel 0:03:08.520 --> 0:03:13.359 about the death of all hope? I feel, I feel 0:03:13.639 --> 0:03:17.240 I feel very numb to it. Yeah, that's a good 0:03:17.240 --> 0:03:19.760 way to feel about the death of all hope, Jamie. Today, 0:03:20.200 --> 0:03:22.440 I'm going to tell you a story, and it's a 0:03:22.480 --> 0:03:25.360 story about the end of the world. Now, this story 0:03:25.360 --> 0:03:28.880 doesn't involve a nuclear holocaust or global war. The culprit 0:03:28.960 --> 0:03:33.560 for our incipient apocalypse is the modern information ecosystem, which 0:03:33.600 --> 0:03:37.720 has doomed us all and cannot be reformed. Now to 0:03:37.800 --> 0:03:40.160 make it clear why I'm gonna tell you a story 0:03:40.200 --> 0:03:43.120 about ivermectin. I guess you've heard a lot about iver 0:03:43.240 --> 0:03:46.400 met in the last couple of days, haven't you. You 0:03:46.560 --> 0:03:50.920 sure have course paste um all that tends to be 0:03:52.000 --> 0:03:54.360 how people talk about it in social media. These idiots 0:03:54.400 --> 0:03:58.800 are taking horse paste um, which is It's one of 0:03:58.840 --> 0:04:01.560 those things where people who love horse paste will be like, 0:04:01.840 --> 0:04:03.680 we're not taking horse paste. Is. There's a bunch of 0:04:03.720 --> 0:04:07.119 different formulations. There's even human versions, and that's true. They're 0:04:07.160 --> 0:04:09.800 like a horse paste is the meanest possible I've I've 0:04:09.800 --> 0:04:12.640 seen versions of that, like saying it's horse paste is 0:04:13.000 --> 0:04:17.400 a little bit inaccurate when they say something else scary, 0:04:17.520 --> 0:04:23.400 I'm actually taking sheep dip um. But a lot of 0:04:23.440 --> 0:04:26.040 people are taking the human version of iver mecht in too, 0:04:26.200 --> 0:04:28.680 particularly when talking about Joe Rogan. Joe Rogan isn't going 0:04:28.720 --> 0:04:31.560 to a feed store in getting apple flavored horse paste. 0:04:31.600 --> 0:04:34.360 He's getting ivermectin prescribed him by a doctor because he's 0:04:34.440 --> 0:04:38.160 rich um. And ivermectin is very much kind of a 0:04:38.240 --> 0:04:41.080 miracle medicine, just not in the purpose is being used 0:04:41.080 --> 0:04:43.640 for um. It was discovered in nineteen seventy five and 0:04:43.720 --> 0:04:46.200 went on sale widely in the early nineteen eighties, and 0:04:46.279 --> 0:04:48.679 it is still today one of the most potent anti 0:04:48.760 --> 0:04:52.640 parasitic medications in existence. It is effective in livestock and 0:04:52.720 --> 0:04:55.560 also in humans. It is credited with curing a once 0:04:55.720 --> 0:04:59.280 devastating illness called river blindness, which I feel like the 0:04:59.400 --> 0:05:04.840 name describes more or less the problem. Um, I don't agree. 0:05:06.000 --> 0:05:10.240 What is parasites from unclean water make you blind and 0:05:11.720 --> 0:05:16.120 stops that? Okay, it's very it's very good stuff. The 0:05:16.200 --> 0:05:19.400 scientists who discovered it won a Nobel Prize UM and 0:05:19.560 --> 0:05:21.640 in two thousand fifteen it was even found that the 0:05:21.680 --> 0:05:24.960 anti parasitic drug is also effective at disrupting the transmission 0:05:25.000 --> 0:05:29.000 of malaria UM, which is great. And when taken as directed, 0:05:29.080 --> 0:05:32.360 iver mecton is extremely safe with minimal side effects, and 0:05:32.440 --> 0:05:34.240 it is cheap enough to produce that you can find 0:05:34.279 --> 0:05:37.320 it all over the world, or you could anyway. Before 0:05:37.360 --> 0:05:40.200 about like six this month, six or so months ago, 0:05:41.360 --> 0:05:44.520 iver macton has developed I think a really toxic fan base, 0:05:44.880 --> 0:05:48.159 and it's the Rick and Morty of anti parasitic drugs 0:05:50.040 --> 0:05:57.200 sure um, And like Rick and Morty, it will stop 0:05:58.040 --> 0:06:04.080 herds of horses from shifting worms out. It acts. Yeah, people, 0:06:04.120 --> 0:06:07.479 they have horses watching early seasons of ricking mortial ther 0:06:08.040 --> 0:06:10.680 to see what will happened to their bodies. You give 0:06:11.080 --> 0:06:14.960 season four, it'll keep shitting worms. So in September of 0:06:15.800 --> 0:06:18.960 Australian researchers found that huge doses of iron mectin, when 0:06:19.320 --> 0:06:23.200 ministered in a laboratory setting might stop or could stop 0:06:23.279 --> 0:06:26.239 replication of COVID in cell cultures in less than forty 0:06:26.279 --> 0:06:30.240 eight hours. This was potentially a big deal for obvious reasons, 0:06:30.320 --> 0:06:33.760 but also these are cell cultures, right, This is not 0:06:34.400 --> 0:06:37.240 in the human body. These are in in in a 0:06:37.400 --> 0:06:40.760 very controlled laboratory setting. So this is a very useful 0:06:40.800 --> 0:06:43.359 piece of data. And obviously follow up studies were immediately 0:06:43.360 --> 0:06:45.920 commissioned around the world to see if maybe this might 0:06:46.000 --> 0:06:49.680 be something that could help with COVID. Now pre vaccine 0:06:49.760 --> 0:06:52.600 doctors were looking at a wide variety of medications and 0:06:52.760 --> 0:06:56.320 treatment options that might act as stop gaps until there 0:06:56.440 --> 0:06:59.320 was a vaccine. One group of physicians who were doing 0:06:59.400 --> 0:07:03.960 this was the Frontline COVID nineteen Critical Care Alliance or 0:07:04.120 --> 0:07:08.000 f l c c c UM. This group had been 0:07:08.080 --> 0:07:11.080 formed by a number of critical care specialists with different 0:07:11.120 --> 0:07:13.640 medical backgrounds who wanted to try and hash together new 0:07:13.720 --> 0:07:16.720 ideas for treating the virus. Their first stab at this 0:07:16.920 --> 0:07:20.480 was to use cortico steroids to reduce mortality in severe 0:07:20.560 --> 0:07:24.120 COVID cases. Now, the man most behind this particular idea 0:07:24.200 --> 0:07:27.080 was a guy named Dr Umberto Maduri. He's known as 0:07:27.160 --> 0:07:31.400 the Guru of cortico steroids in lung disease. Conventional wisdom, 0:07:31.960 --> 0:07:34.280 what an amazing I hope there's a T shirt for that. 0:07:34.400 --> 0:07:36.280 I hope there's a T Yeah, he should get They 0:07:36.280 --> 0:07:38.520 announced him like it's a w w E wrestler when 0:07:38.560 --> 0:07:40.960 he comes out at medical conferences. I mean funcket. I 0:07:40.960 --> 0:07:43.560 want him to get a two Chains album, Like why not? 0:07:44.400 --> 0:07:46.760 I want to hook up with him? Why not? Yeah? 0:07:47.680 --> 0:07:50.800 Um so yeah, this guy has this idea that like, hey, 0:07:50.880 --> 0:07:53.920 maybe cortico steroids might be useful in this situation, and 0:07:54.000 --> 0:07:57.360 that was very controversial at the time. Conventional wisdom um 0:07:57.840 --> 0:08:00.640 was that steroids like that do more harm than good 0:08:00.680 --> 0:08:04.160 when treating a virus, like when treating a coronavirus. But 0:08:04.360 --> 0:08:06.520 Dr Marduri and his colleagues were pretty sure that their 0:08:06.560 --> 0:08:09.480 solution would help, and they distributed a new hospital protocol 0:08:09.600 --> 0:08:13.600 called MATH plus for patients hospitalized with severe COVID. Hospitals 0:08:13.640 --> 0:08:15.760 began trying it out because again, this is early in 0:08:15.840 --> 0:08:18.559 the virus. There's not it's kind of like throwing everything 0:08:18.600 --> 0:08:21.880 at the wall and seeing what sticks. Um, And there's 0:08:21.880 --> 0:08:24.960 evidence that this seriously slowed down mortality. It seems to 0:08:25.120 --> 0:08:29.600 have worked. Hospital administrators noticed rapid slowdowns and mortality when 0:08:29.600 --> 0:08:33.160 they adopted this, specifically for people who were very sick. Um, 0:08:34.160 --> 0:08:37.319 when you hire the guru, that's great, you're bringing the guru. 0:08:37.440 --> 0:08:39.559 So yeah, um, And there was of course, you know, 0:08:39.679 --> 0:08:42.240 they kind of started adopting this before there was a 0:08:42.320 --> 0:08:44.559 huge body of science, but a body of science was 0:08:44.720 --> 0:08:48.240 built as they started adopting this, and a large UK 0:08:48.440 --> 0:08:52.240 patient study in June of showed that steroid treatment that 0:08:52.320 --> 0:08:57.000 the FLCCC suggested really worked. The MATH plus protocol was greenlit, 0:08:57.080 --> 0:09:00.240 and hospitals around the United States praise for ed in 0:09:00.360 --> 0:09:01.880 for the f l c c C, who at this 0:09:02.000 --> 0:09:04.679 point looked like hard working doctors doing their damnedest to 0:09:04.720 --> 0:09:08.280 find creative ways to save lives in an incredibly challenging situation. 0:09:09.160 --> 0:09:13.000 Wait were they not? Well, this is not an easy 0:09:13.160 --> 0:09:19.600 answer to that question. Jamie, Okay, because um, they definitely 0:09:19.679 --> 0:09:21.520 did a good thing there and saved a lot of 0:09:21.600 --> 0:09:23.920 lives with that, they have also gone on to do 0:09:24.320 --> 0:09:28.200 some sketchy things And I don't have an easy summary 0:09:28.360 --> 0:09:30.679 for you of like the f l c c C is, 0:09:30.760 --> 0:09:34.880 like they're horrible grifters or there you know, decent medical 0:09:35.240 --> 0:09:37.840 you know, people who got something wrong or their their truth. 0:09:38.120 --> 0:09:39.640 Like I don't. I don't have an easy answer for 0:09:39.679 --> 0:09:42.640 you for what these people are. But things take a 0:09:42.720 --> 0:09:45.880 turn at this point. So one of the doctors, one 0:09:45.920 --> 0:09:47.640 of the co founders of the f l c c C, 0:09:47.840 --> 0:09:50.960 was a guy named Dr Pierre Corey. Now Dr Corey 0:09:51.120 --> 0:09:54.719 was not the brains behind Dr Murdery's cortico steroid plan, 0:09:54.880 --> 0:09:56.880 but he did helped found the f l c c C. 0:09:57.520 --> 0:10:00.760 He was very interested in the early in the early 0:10:00.880 --> 0:10:04.240 data that started coming out about iver mechton. In October, 0:10:05.120 --> 0:10:07.800 he and other FLCCC doctors noted that there had been 0:10:07.880 --> 0:10:11.840 several small successful trials using iver mecton as a preventative measure. 0:10:12.200 --> 0:10:15.679 These studies were not large or particularly high quality. We'll 0:10:15.679 --> 0:10:17.559 talk a little bit about them later, but in those 0:10:17.640 --> 0:10:19.520 pre vaccine days, a case could be made that they 0:10:19.520 --> 0:10:22.240 were not being irresponsible by adding iver mecton to their 0:10:22.320 --> 0:10:25.960 math plus protocol alongside a new preventative protocol called i'm 0:10:26.000 --> 0:10:29.959 ask plus. There's not vaccines yet. The pandemic October is 0:10:30.040 --> 0:10:33.599 kind of at the fucking worst it's been um and 0:10:34.000 --> 0:10:36.280 you know, you could also say, like, well, they kind 0:10:36.320 --> 0:10:38.199 of took a little bit of a stab on cortico 0:10:38.280 --> 0:10:40.920 steroids and that wound up saving lives. Might as well 0:10:40.960 --> 0:10:43.600 give it a shot with especially since iver mechten, when 0:10:43.720 --> 0:10:47.720 taken in quantities for humans, that's prescribed by a doctor 0:10:47.880 --> 0:10:51.600 fairly minimal risks. Right. I've never known anyone who's had 0:10:51.720 --> 0:10:55.920 river blindness, So yes, exactly exactly, you don't and I 0:10:56.320 --> 0:10:59.760 spray you with a lot of contaminated river water, Jamie. 0:11:00.320 --> 0:11:02.400 You do. You've been doing a lot of experiments, But 0:11:02.600 --> 0:11:04.439 I I do believe when you say, it's for the 0:11:04.480 --> 0:11:08.920 greater good of some So these guys are kind of 0:11:09.000 --> 0:11:13.559 operating off of the goodwill of having been semi successful 0:11:13.640 --> 0:11:18.360 before to experiment with, and they're they're also operating. You 0:11:18.400 --> 0:11:21.839 do have to acknowledge the situation when you're dealing with 0:11:21.920 --> 0:11:27.079 a pandemic of this severity, you can't necessarily wait, like 0:11:27.240 --> 0:11:29.160 you have to make You have to kind of triage 0:11:29.240 --> 0:11:32.240 when you wait to try something. And I can see 0:11:32.280 --> 0:11:34.839 in the case of being like look when you when 0:11:34.960 --> 0:11:38.559 taken when when giving people like normal human doses of 0:11:38.640 --> 0:11:42.520 iver mactin very minimal risk of side effects. If it 0:11:43.160 --> 0:11:46.920 might help, it's worth trying. You know you can you 0:11:47.000 --> 0:11:49.240 can make that case. And that's the case these people 0:11:49.280 --> 0:11:52.040 were making it at this point. They're not being bastards 0:11:52.120 --> 0:11:55.280 that I can tell um. And they imagine they're making 0:11:55.280 --> 0:11:59.280 a shipload of money also would that be I don't 0:11:59.480 --> 0:12:02.319 I don't have that information, Jamie, some of this. So 0:12:02.440 --> 0:12:03.959 one of the troubles with this, This is gonna be 0:12:03.960 --> 0:12:05.240 a little bit of a messier because a lot of 0:12:05.280 --> 0:12:07.160 this is still breaking. And in fact, one of the 0:12:07.200 --> 0:12:09.640 studies that I was talking about earlier, an article just 0:12:09.840 --> 0:12:13.680 dropped today kind of talking about it. So I think 0:12:13.720 --> 0:12:15.640 that we will learn more about the f l c 0:12:15.800 --> 0:12:17.400 c C in time as a result of some of 0:12:17.440 --> 0:12:20.360 the things we'll talk about. I don't know the extent 0:12:20.480 --> 0:12:22.800 to which people are making a profit off of it. 0:12:22.880 --> 0:12:25.439 I don't know enough to allege any that kind of 0:12:25.760 --> 0:12:30.520 fiscal wrongdoing. But there's something weird here at some being 0:12:30.640 --> 0:12:33.680 on the cutting edge as usual, Robert, thank you, Jamie, 0:12:34.040 --> 0:12:36.400 thank you. I am on the cutting edge like I 0:12:36.520 --> 0:12:39.679 am in the cutting edge of basketball strategies, here in 0:12:39.720 --> 0:12:43.480 the cutting edge of weddings, on the cutting edge of 0:12:43.920 --> 0:12:46.520 COVID analysis, on the cutting edge of smiling with your 0:12:46.559 --> 0:12:49.319 teeth and pictures. Thank you, thank you. You know I 0:12:49.440 --> 0:12:52.079 invented the four pointer recently. No one had ever done 0:12:52.160 --> 0:12:56.360 that in basket No kidding, Wow right, that's right, make 0:12:56.480 --> 0:13:01.040 me fire you again. So at this point, it's also 0:13:01.080 --> 0:13:04.640 important to enough that the FLCCC, they're saying, we're adding 0:13:04.920 --> 0:13:08.120 this might we're recommending this in certain situations for people 0:13:08.120 --> 0:13:11.920 who are sick and as a potential prophylactic to prevent COVID. 0:13:12.440 --> 0:13:15.880 They were not billing iver mectin as a replacement or 0:13:15.920 --> 0:13:18.880 an alternative to the vaccine, and in fact, they're early 0:13:19.040 --> 0:13:22.120 advocacy of iver mectin discussed it purely as a stop 0:13:22.160 --> 0:13:25.439 gap vaccines are not available at this point. There's some 0:13:25.559 --> 0:13:28.040 evidence that this might help stem the tide of infections, 0:13:28.120 --> 0:13:31.240 and we are at capacity in hospital, so this might 0:13:31.400 --> 0:13:35.360 reduce infections that might improve outcomes. We're going to recommend 0:13:35.440 --> 0:13:37.880 people take it until there's a vaccine, right, and I'm 0:13:37.880 --> 0:13:40.240 gonna quote from Yahoo News here to talk about some 0:13:40.320 --> 0:13:44.079 people who did use it in that situation. In a 0:13:44.160 --> 0:13:47.720 February local news segment, a Midland, Texas woman describes how 0:13:47.760 --> 0:13:50.360 she learned about iver mectin backed in October from the Internet, 0:13:50.440 --> 0:13:52.120 and she and her family had been taking it in 0:13:52.160 --> 0:13:55.199 animal form ever since. Though she wasn't taking the tablets 0:13:55.240 --> 0:13:58.080 for humans as the f LCCC recommends. In a way, 0:13:58.160 --> 0:14:00.599 she was taking it as intended as a bridge to 0:14:00.679 --> 0:14:03.719 the vaccine. I just got my first vaccine shot a 0:14:03.800 --> 0:14:06.200 few days ago, So no more horse paste, she told 0:14:06.240 --> 0:14:09.320 the reporter. So that is I do want to acknowledge here, 0:14:09.760 --> 0:14:13.360 that's not being unreasonable, like right, maybe I would recommend 0:14:13.400 --> 0:14:15.439 get the human version if you can. But whatever, people, 0:14:15.720 --> 0:14:17.800 I know a lot of poor people in the country. 0:14:17.880 --> 0:14:20.440 Sometimes you take veterinary medicine because it's what you can afford. 0:14:21.720 --> 0:14:23.840 I mean that the turn of phrase. So no more 0:14:24.200 --> 0:14:29.200 horse paste alone. But I'm not gonna say this is 0:14:29.280 --> 0:14:32.200 the most responsible decision of person could have made. But 0:14:32.320 --> 0:14:35.840 she got her vaccine right, and she there was I 0:14:35.960 --> 0:14:38.640 want you to I want you to type fl c 0:14:38.800 --> 0:14:41.920 c C into Google and pull up their web page 0:14:41.960 --> 0:14:44.640 and take a look at it. Because when she says 0:14:44.680 --> 0:14:47.520 she found it on the internet, and because this person 0:14:47.560 --> 0:14:49.560 took the vaccine, I don't know, that can mean a 0:14:49.600 --> 0:14:51.880 lot of things. That can mean somebody's like seeing someone 0:14:51.960 --> 0:14:55.880 on Reddit talk about taking random medication or like on Facebook. 0:14:56.400 --> 0:14:57.760 But if you look at the f l c c 0:14:57.920 --> 0:15:03.880 C page, this doesn't take credit. Call care dot com Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, 0:15:04.040 --> 0:15:07.320 it's a very reputable looking website. These are real asked 0:15:07.400 --> 0:15:12.080 doctors with real Jamie Lakes Community College popa for you 0:15:12.240 --> 0:15:16.760 twenty times and then it gets to the this had 0:15:16.800 --> 0:15:19.160 to have been an s e O disaster for the 0:15:19.280 --> 0:15:22.800 finger Figure Lakes Community College. Sorry, I forgot, I had 0:15:22.840 --> 0:15:24.880 a picture of I forgot. I had a picture of 0:15:24.960 --> 0:15:26.880 Joe Rogan in a tab and I just like it 0:15:27.000 --> 0:15:30.360 was like a jump scare Um, okay, COVID nineteen, critical 0:15:30.400 --> 0:15:33.640 care dot com. This does look like how I picture 0:15:34.880 --> 0:15:37.720 medical website to look like. Okay, and you can you 0:15:37.840 --> 0:15:40.720 can see how a concerned parent in the middle of 0:15:40.800 --> 0:15:44.520 a horrible fucking plague could come to this and be like, Okay, well, 0:15:44.560 --> 0:15:47.040 this seems like a reasonable thing to do for my 0:15:47.160 --> 0:15:50.680 family until I can get the vaccine, like avoid censorship 0:15:50.800 --> 0:15:53.880 connects to f l c c C alliance here, there's 0:15:53.960 --> 0:15:57.640 definitely definitely and that I think is is newer. Like 0:15:57.800 --> 0:16:00.680 you can see some kind of griff to your things 0:16:01.160 --> 0:16:04.600 getting in here, right, um, but you can also see 0:16:04.640 --> 0:16:07.800 how a perfectly reasonable person just trying to like do 0:16:07.960 --> 0:16:09.960 what's best for their family could be like, okay, well 0:16:09.960 --> 0:16:13.200 I'll give it a shot, right. And that's where fast too, 0:16:13.440 --> 0:16:19.640 like everything quickly and in February, you know you October 0:16:19.920 --> 0:16:25.320 to like January, October, January. People. I can see people 0:16:25.400 --> 0:16:27.760 just being like, okay, well this seems like it might help. 0:16:28.160 --> 0:16:31.320 I can't get a vaccine. So far, so good? Right, 0:16:31.480 --> 0:16:34.440 so far the fl C c C I can't. I'm sure, 0:16:34.560 --> 0:16:37.720 I'm sure there are things doctors could could quickly complain 0:16:37.760 --> 0:16:39.920 about here. There's definitely a debate to be had about 0:16:39.960 --> 0:16:44.480 certainly desperate, but there's no perfect choices you can make 0:16:44.560 --> 0:16:48.680 in a fucking pandemic either. Um. That said, while they 0:16:48.760 --> 0:16:52.240 haven't really gone off, they haven't broke bad yet. There 0:16:52.320 --> 0:16:56.000 were early signs that something was awry. In December of 0:16:56.920 --> 0:17:00.080 Dr Pierre Corey testified to a Senate panel about I 0:17:00.240 --> 0:17:05.440 for mectin, which he called a wonder drug. Now, when 0:17:05.520 --> 0:17:08.399 you hear the term wonder drug and they are not 0:17:08.760 --> 0:17:13.000 talking about delauded. The only wonder drug which I call 0:17:13.080 --> 0:17:17.840 a wonder drug because it's wonderful. What is that? You know, 0:17:17.920 --> 0:17:22.359 I don't know what a drug is. Delatted is the 0:17:22.480 --> 0:17:29.720 Toyota tacoma of opiates. It's liable, it's hard working, it's comfortable. 0:17:29.880 --> 0:17:37.120 Oh my god, it's so good like um yeah, yeah, 0:17:37.480 --> 0:17:42.520 because fuck oxy um delatted, baby, it's all about delatted. Okay, 0:17:42.680 --> 0:17:46.560 that's good information for when I begin taking opiates. Yeah. Absolutely, 0:17:46.600 --> 0:17:49.960 everybody needs good information and that information is tried a 0:17:50.040 --> 0:17:56.440 lauded sponsors of the podcast. By the way, wait, he 0:17:56.560 --> 0:17:58.720 called it a lot a wonder drug to the Senate, 0:17:58.800 --> 0:18:01.960 which is not in court. He called it a wonder drug. Okay, 0:18:02.040 --> 0:18:05.520 that doesn't sound good. That doesn't sound good. That's not 0:18:06.440 --> 0:18:10.600 very especially since there is data in December of that 0:18:10.680 --> 0:18:13.119 suggests this might be a useful and and it's perfectly 0:18:13.119 --> 0:18:15.280 it would have been perfectly reasonably said, hey, we've got 0:18:15.359 --> 0:18:18.000 some data. This might help. Here's the situations in which 0:18:18.040 --> 0:18:21.159 the data suggests it might help. This is my recommendations 0:18:21.480 --> 0:18:23.960 that might be how a responsible doctor would say it. 0:18:24.280 --> 0:18:31.240 You don't call it doctor oz rhetoric exactly. Yeah, Well 0:18:31.520 --> 0:18:35.840 with the Senate, and so number one it this Senate 0:18:35.920 --> 0:18:39.720 panel was a Homeland Security Senate panel. So I don't 0:18:39.760 --> 0:18:43.240 know why the funk they're talking about that. Why none 0:18:43.280 --> 0:18:46.320 of you people like you're not even good at homeland security. 0:18:46.400 --> 0:18:51.639 Why are you talking about fucking COVID nineteen killing time? 0:18:51.920 --> 0:18:55.439 That's so bizarry, let's get a doctor up here. Now. 0:18:55.680 --> 0:19:02.040 The panel was chaired by Wisconsin Senator Ron Johnson, because flag, 0:19:02.520 --> 0:19:06.359 that's a real red flag right there. Okay, Now, the 0:19:06.480 --> 0:19:10.240 problem is that because of the fl CCCS reputation with 0:19:10.320 --> 0:19:14.400 Cortico steroids, Dr Pierre Corey isn't doesn't seem when he's 0:19:14.400 --> 0:19:16.760 coming up front, he's not just some yahoo. He is 0:19:16.840 --> 0:19:20.440 a real doctor working with an organization that took a 0:19:20.680 --> 0:19:23.680 very bold stab early in the pandemic and was very 0:19:23.800 --> 0:19:27.840 right about it, like and which then immediately jokerfied themselves 0:19:27.880 --> 0:19:30.040 and then they went jography. Yeah exactly, but like you 0:19:30.080 --> 0:19:34.080 can see why this is so dangerous, right, um? Right? 0:19:34.400 --> 0:19:36.600 And I also understand, I mean with Ron Johnson, there's 0:19:36.600 --> 0:19:39.640 no excuse for anything he does. But I understand from 0:19:39.720 --> 0:19:44.600 like a regular, like a person consuming this media with 0:19:44.720 --> 0:19:48.560 not a lot of information, why it might have seemed 0:19:48.640 --> 0:19:51.000 like not the worst most dangerous thing in the world 0:19:51.040 --> 0:19:56.200 to do so at this point, there's some shady stuff 0:19:56.240 --> 0:20:01.440 going on that Senate testimony is questionable, right um, But 0:20:01.520 --> 0:20:04.560 there's also not really anything to suggest at the end 0:20:04.600 --> 0:20:06.800 of that ever mectin is about to become a public 0:20:06.840 --> 0:20:09.879 health problem. And in fact, while the US started ramping 0:20:09.960 --> 0:20:13.719 up and distributing vaccines at the tail end of early one, 0:20:14.080 --> 0:20:17.359 huge chunks of Latin America started adopting ever mectin as 0:20:17.400 --> 0:20:21.119 a standard treatment protocol. And the reasoning for this is 0:20:21.160 --> 0:20:24.080 as bleak as it is understandable. Latin America has some 0:20:24.160 --> 0:20:27.480 of the worst COVID death rates on the planet. Whitespread 0:20:27.560 --> 0:20:30.399 poverty meant that while the vaccine was starting to get 0:20:30.480 --> 0:20:32.600 rolled out in the United States, it was not going 0:20:32.720 --> 0:20:35.600 to be anywhere in the near future for millions tens 0:20:35.640 --> 0:20:38.040 of millions of people in Latin America. So while the 0:20:38.119 --> 0:20:41.359 wealthy countries hoarded vaccines for their own people, doctors in 0:20:41.440 --> 0:20:44.080 South and Central America looked at the early evidence on 0:20:44.119 --> 0:20:46.119 iver mactin and said, this is the best we can 0:20:46.200 --> 0:20:49.800 fucking do and we can afford it, you know, yeah, 0:20:50.680 --> 0:20:54.120 which is very sad, that's extremely blak. Yeah, it's real 0:20:54.240 --> 0:20:58.680 fucking bleak. Um and Peru included the drug and its 0:20:58.760 --> 0:21:01.639 basic treatment guide lines, and one health minister in the 0:21:01.720 --> 0:21:05.440 country told Nature magazine that clinical trials investigating the drugs 0:21:05.480 --> 0:21:10.359 efficacy had trouble recruiting control group participants because there were 0:21:10.440 --> 0:21:13.920 so many people already on the drug. Basically, they recommended 0:21:13.960 --> 0:21:16.520 people take this and then they had trouble studying it 0:21:16.600 --> 0:21:21.080 because they couldn't find people who weren't taking it. Um wow, okay, 0:21:21.200 --> 0:21:25.840 So it just and was this like a very fast process, 0:21:26.000 --> 0:21:29.000 like it went zero okay, And it's it's fast in 0:21:29.080 --> 0:21:32.640 part because you know, unlike when hydroxy cloquine, which we'll 0:21:32.640 --> 0:21:35.160 talk about a bit later, kind of went viral, there's 0:21:35.200 --> 0:21:37.280 not a lot of that ship, right, It's not just 0:21:37.400 --> 0:21:39.479 like an o TC thing like people had to get 0:21:39.520 --> 0:21:41.920 it prescribed. You don't just walk into a CD SID. 0:21:42.200 --> 0:21:44.880 You could walk into stores down the corner and pick 0:21:44.960 --> 0:21:48.159 up iver mecton. Because especially in like rural at in America, 0:21:48.160 --> 0:21:50.600 any rural place, there's a shiploaded animal feed stores. It's 0:21:50.600 --> 0:21:54.840 all over the place. Over the counter veterinary drug. Yeah, yeah, 0:21:55.000 --> 0:21:57.600 it's over the counter veterinary drug. It's not super you 0:21:57.640 --> 0:21:59.480 do have to get it prescribed for a person, but 0:21:59.520 --> 0:22:01.560 I think most these people are taking the veterinary version. 0:22:01.600 --> 0:22:04.840 But even the person version, it's extreme, especially since a 0:22:04.920 --> 0:22:09.160 lot of Latin America a lot of huge amount of parasites, 0:22:09.160 --> 0:22:11.480 so a lot of people are taking this anyway. It's available, 0:22:11.600 --> 0:22:14.160 is the point. It's available, and it's cheap, so it's 0:22:14.480 --> 0:22:17.080 once these people here, this might protect your family from COVID. 0:22:17.400 --> 0:22:20.280 They actually have the ability to get this stuff immediately. 0:22:20.960 --> 0:22:24.440 Um In Bolivia, healthcare workers pretty much instantly distributed three 0:22:24.840 --> 0:22:27.880 and fifty thousand doses. I Ever, met In also grew 0:22:27.960 --> 0:22:31.240 popular in South America for the same reasons poverty and 0:22:31.359 --> 0:22:36.600 desperation um so from the website Pharmaceutical Technology quote. The 0:22:36.640 --> 0:22:39.560 pro iver met In campaign has taken a particularly stronghold 0:22:39.600 --> 0:22:42.480 in South Africa, where coronavirus infection rates are among the 0:22:42.560 --> 0:22:44.920 worst in the continent and the vaccine program has yet 0:22:44.960 --> 0:22:47.680 to cover all the country's most vulnerable. Some doctors have 0:22:47.760 --> 0:22:50.879 been prescribing the worm drug to COVID nineteen patients, claiming 0:22:50.880 --> 0:22:54.440 anecdotally that it alleviates virus symptoms, despite the South African 0:22:54.520 --> 0:22:58.600 Health Products Regulatory Authority warning against its use. I ever 0:22:58.720 --> 0:23:01.280 met In is also thriving the country's black market, where 0:23:01.280 --> 0:23:03.960 one tablet can sell for as much as twenty five pounds, 0:23:04.280 --> 0:23:07.240